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Yvette

Kiwis overwhelmingly agree Government responded appropriately to Covid-19 – 1 NEWS poll

Those polled were asked, “Do you think the New Zealand Government has responded appropriately to the coronavirus outbreak?” The results were: Yes – 92%, No – 7%
Don’t know/Not sure what coronavirus is – 2% (Percentages do not add to 100% due to rounding)

However, whether Ardern’s now so often repeated slogan – “Go early, go hard”, which she still hammers – has convinced everyone that the timing was optimum is another question, considering the painfully long process – more than three weeks to do the crucial first 1,000 tests – before the border was closed and whether we could have better acted like Australia: without totally fucking the New Zealand economy as it has been.
(Tell us more about the theory that Bloomfield threatened to resign if Ardern went ahead with a Christchurch mass commemoration of the mosque massacres)

And now that Ardern on Monday has revealed some idea of the time it will take to move from Level 2 to Level 1, just how much does that change the population’s view?

The poll which made yesterday evening’s headlines just doesn’t allow for for Monday’s announcements – because the poll is already a whole fucking week old –
Between May 16 to 20, 2020, 1003 eligible voters were polled by landline (402) and mobile phone (601).
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May 27, 2020 8:01am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  That’s sounds desperate Yvette. A week-old poll is what it is, thinking that the dumping of a political leader would impact on questions of support for the lockdown and the economy, both past events, is a stretch. It’s probably a ship that will never turn around.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:29am
  - Yvette
    
    Brian McDonald
    Sorry, “Monday’s announcements” was supposed to refer to “now that Ardern on Monday has revealed some idea of the time it will take to move from Level 2 to Level 1″ in the preceding sentence – nothing to do with National, but the time that Ardern will hold the country now at Level 2.
    But it is not the first time, that what is in the mind, does not end up on the computer screen.
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:43am
- Critical Thinker
  
  That poll seems to confirm the incredibly sad fact that the vast majority of New Zealanders are now brain-dead sheep ?
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:48am
  - mjw
    
    “That poll seems to confirm the incredibly sad fact that the vast majority of New Zealanders are now brain-dead sheep”
    
    Or – that they happen to hold a different view from you. That’s the glory of democracy – you have to persuade the people, not just yourself. But I know it is painful to be the minority of opinion – believe me I know! So although we hold different views, I hope you keep arguing your corner.
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:13am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      Actually mjw, no.
      
      Critical Thinker was correct first time.
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:47am
    - stewmar
      
      “That poll seems to confirm the incredibly sad fact that the vast majority of New Zealanders are now brain-dead sheep”
      I listened to a Maori woman on talkback radio last night criticising Paula Bennett for being lightweight and uncle tommish. At the end of her rant the talkback dude asked said Maori labourite woman what does she think of Kelvin Davis. Her response was who is he.. go figure
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:09am
      - Tall Man
        
        labour trolls only read the first part of the memo.
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    Depressing thought 🙁
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:19am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    When I talk to people about the Covid response, I mention that ‘Level 4’ should not have allowed only ‘essential services’ but any business that could trade safely. And people agree: both business owners and employees (e.g. retail staff).
    
    So I doubt that this poll gave people the chance to give a ‘curate’s egg’ response.
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:45am
  - GT Build
    
    And that they were frightened into submission Ardern will be up for the Socialist of the year award to be screened on all channels at the same time
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:07am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    They know what they are doing. Let them reap the rewards. Let us keep sitting in L2 until everything is ruined beyond repair.
    
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    May 27, 2020 11:27am
- Raphael
  
  Given the information and data we had when we went into the Lockdown, it was the right call (but later than is should have been).
  
  Given the information and data we have now, we didn’t need a level 4 Lockdown and we need to get back to Level 0 as fast as possible before we destroy the country.
  
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  May 27, 2020 10:11am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    “We” already had a lot of information that fully supported the need for early high-and low-level planning, significantly ramping up the ability to test in advance of any confirmed outbreak of community transmission, and absolutely shutting down the borders to non-New Zealanders and people without right of NZ residency as well as at least two weeks strict quarantine under observation for the people who were still allowed to enter, coupled with screening before boarding flights and ships. We did none of that. There was never any need for the level IV lockdown until the government sat on its collective glutei only because the Saintin Chief / sarc wanted another Christchurch photo opportunity. Then having skipped all the planning and preparation, we got shoved into a lockdown because ? Bloomfield threatened to quit (rumour we’ve all heard) & she called some friends of hers in London (fact she reported herself).
    
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    May 27, 2020 12:39pm
    - cmm
      
      “collective glutei”
      
      This is fair warning. I shall be plagiarizing you!
      
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      May 27, 2020 1:35pm
- freethinker
  
  The 60% mobile phone users polled means there is unlikely to be a statistical balance that represents NZ population. Without doubt ardern with Bloomfields support appears competent but with Winston breaking ranks and the economic outlook looking very uncertain I still predict 2020 will be ardern and her coalition of clowns Anus Horiblis and may follow Corbin into political oblivion for a decade.
  
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  May 27, 2020 10:32am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Freethinker – 2020 election is a shoe-in for Ardern. I don’t see Mullet Muller with his muddled thinking making any dent in Ardern’s popularity.
    
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    May 27, 2020 11:37am
    - Paulus
      
      Muller has only been in the job since Monday – three whole days – unlike Cindy he is capable of learning.
      
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      May 27, 2020 2:00pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I saw what you did there with Anus Horiblis 🙂
    
    and yes your version is more applicable to this situaiton! 🙂
    
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    May 27, 2020 12:41pm
- theoldbloke
  
  and Winstons electionring has started.
  Light Rail will not see the light of day if he has any role in any governmnet
  Go to Level 1 NOW and spill the beans from Cabinet discussions.
  
  He will be the Opposition rather than Todd Muller.
  You can t beat the old guy for rat cunning.
  
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  May 27, 2020 2:11pm
Lee C

One for you all:

https://youtu.be/wMykYSQaG_c
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May 27, 2020 8:01am
mikenmildagain

Yesterday, in comments on the post about Marilyn Waring backing Louisa Wall, there were a couple of horrible comments.
Nukuleka claimed that ‘Surprise, surprise, one lesbian supports another’. greybeard said:

Marilyn Waring: lesbian
Louisa Wall: lesbian
Hey ! Any conflict of interest here?

This kind of homophobia should be condemned.

A moderator removed by comments in reply, without any explanation. When I asked about comment removal on the GD thread, a moderator claimed that:

Someone who posts a thoughtful and genuine opinion deserves better than a flyby 2 or 3 word insult from a nasty prick like yourself.

After that, in replying to another commenter’s attack on me, a moderator then said that ‘this blog is for everyone to voice opinions – if you want to engage, discuss the opinion, don’t attack the poster’.

I really enjoy this blog, but incidents like that leave a sour taste in the mouth. I’m quite happy to cop flack, or bans if I transgress. But perhaps moderators should only remove comments in their entirety for good reasons, and keep their personal opinions of other commenters out of their decisions.
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May 27, 2020 8:01am
- mandk
  
  Sadly for you, mma, you don’t help yourself by being a smart arse a lot of the time.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    A lot?
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:37am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    And I’m quite prepared to cop penalties for that.
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:37am
    - mandk
      
      Or you could just curb your smart arse tendencies.
      
      You are obviously an informed and intelligent bloke.
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:14am
      - Tall Man
        
        I think your assumption that mikey is “informed and intelligent” is “offensive” because mikey’s assertion “Nuke” was “homophobic” was offensive and you’ve inferred he could be right because he’s well informed and intelligent …….
        
        See how silly it all becomes?
        
        Calling someone homophobic on this forum/blog after a “moderation policy” was implemented was risky and probably stupid or alcohol induced behaviour.
        
        Now, am I being offensive due to the …. alcohol … reference 🙂
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:42am
  - Michael NZ
    
    M&K
    Smartarse!
    MMA is rude and sly nearly most of the time.
    
    Very occasionally I uptick him, because he doesn’t behave like that. (very).
    MMA is usually a drive-by with a single comment to jibe and harass someone.
    Then he crys foul when he gets kick back.
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:48am
- krazykiwi
  
  Confucius say: When man continuously skate on thin ice he occasionally get wet
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:21am
  - Tall Man
    
    I like that.
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:20am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Wall defines herself by her sexual identity. Worse, she is a particularly virulent version of same hence the “Fucking Terfs” comment.
  
  Nasty piece of work and obviously loathed by the Labour party hierarchy.
  
  I like Marilyn Waring, smart lady, never agreed with her about redefining GDP, but she will argue her corner.
  
  I have no idea why she decided to support Wall, politically an error, but if she knows her, then so be it.
  
  Yes Marilyn is gay, but I have never seen her let it define her as a person.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:21am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Some gender activationists tolerate no except their own kind.
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:42am
  - Paulus
    
    Have just finished Marilyn Waring’s
    new Biography about her time in Politics.
    Worth a read in sections.
    Of course it was my years in Wellington so I find interesting as I knew a number of the National caucus – had the pride in verbally being assaulted a couple of time by David Lange.
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:57am
    - Inandout
      
      Paulus, I haven’t read her book, but how many lines did she allot to a certain religion’s attitude to gays?
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:26am
    - jv
      
      Yes I took great pride in getting an impetuous taunt when he signed off on his staffs response to a letter of mine
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:37am
- cmm
  
  Why is “one lesbian supports another” a horrible comment?
  
  It is the age of identity politics. People are supposed to support their own kind, unless they’re white male.
  
  We see that all over the place: USA, here etc.
  
  After Obama won the elections who was calling black people horrible for voting for Obama because he was black?
  
  DPF responds to your whims by producing score sheets of how many women/Maori/whatever each party has – as if anything other than competence really matters.
  
  How is it homophobic to point out that one lesbian supports another?
  
  It is surely only homophobic (stupid word by the way), or more generally Xphobic, if the villain says someone is inherently less of a person for being an X.
  
  Treating everyone the same – regardless of their race, gender, hair colour, is a reasonable principle. Anything else really is not.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:26am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    It is a horrible assumption: that the only reason Waring would support Wall is because they are both lesbians. This defines both women by the sexual orientation only. It would be equally offensive to assume that a heterosexual male would vote for Todd Muller solely because they shared the same sexual orientation.
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:30am
    - burt
      
      Is selecting based on gender, age and race OK but sexual orientation not OK?
      
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      May 27, 2020 8:36am
      - mikenmildagain
        
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        You are missing the point, again.
        
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        May 27, 2020 8:39am
      - amospicton
        
        Has our resident leftie just realised the inherent injustice/incoherence of identity politics?????
        
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        May 27, 2020 8:54am
      - burt
        
        The point? Perhaps you can clarify, we’ve heard an awful lot in the last 48 hours about how pale and stale the National party is and apparently that’s a news worthy and valid criticism – so it seems we’re supposed to be selecting based on age race and gender but you go flip-out on people discussing sexuality.
        
        Please clarify what discrimination is good discrimination and what discrimination is bad discrimination because following the talking points you lefties throw around it’s hard to know what I’m allowed to think these days.
        
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        May 27, 2020 9:06am
    - Tall Man
      
      That is not what was said or implied and you know it. You often choose to be obtuse to deliberately alter a poster’s intent.
      
      While the mod’s comment may have been a tad ott, it does seem ironic that one who does little but post nasty comments feels aggrieved by a mods quick stab.
      
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      May 27, 2020 8:41am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Mikey employs (like Stephie), the ‘pissing in the Well’ strategy.
        
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        May 27, 2020 8:53am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Lesbians on the prowl take no prisoners. Expect them to support other–who else will?
      
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      May 27, 2020 8:48am
    - cmm
      
      Oh bollocks.
      
      It does not define then ONLY by that factor.
      
      Their lesbianism is clearly a factor that they have both raised as part of their political identity, made a lot of noise about and find some common cause in.
      
      The lesbianism was very material in this support.
      
      It was not an irrelevant factor like they both do line dancing or drive Fords.
      
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      May 27, 2020 8:48am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Oh my God, don’t say that the Topp twins have come out in support of Wall?????
        
        Say it ain’t so!!!!
        
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        May 27, 2020 8:53am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      But it is a quite reasonable assumption that Waring would have increased natural affinity for Wall, and would tend to be more supportive as a default setting. Snide comments about white men clubbing together generally pass without comment after all. Just because the word Lesbian or Gay is used without fawning deference and praise for the persons referred to doesn’t mean there is any ‘homophobia’. PS, I personally feel the Mods are being over zealous in this instance in censuring you (and many others in recent times) , but DPF’s blog DPF’s rules.
      
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      May 27, 2020 8:53am
      - Tall Man
        
        Two Ticks for you from me 🙂 … if I could.
        
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        May 27, 2020 9:24am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      The thought she would do so is horrible, the assumption, not so much (but is a bit bigoted). We see it again and again. All my Lefty friends were calling anyone that voted for Trump sexist because they believed that was the only reason they wouldn’t vote for Hilary. When Boris won the election, gay activists blasted him for not selecting enough LGBT people. Even yesterday, Lefties were attacking National for having no Maori in the top 12.
      
      As noted by others, when identity is such an important thing to you, as it is to many on the Left, it can drive your decisions.
      
      Waring probably has other reasons for backing Wall, but it is a realistic possibility that she does so to increase the “gay quota”. It’s not so far outside the realm of possibility to be an unreasonable assertion.
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:12am
    - Inandout
      
      m&m, stop digging that hole.
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:28am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Guess what happens when you get offended Mikey?
      
      Nothing, that’s what. Harden up, princess.
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:53am
  - Chris R
    
    CMM…because it is irrelevant to anyone with a thinking brain!
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:33am
    - cmm
      
      Yes it was completely irrelevant until both of them chose to use their lesbianism as part of their political identity.
      
      The “thinking brain” part to your comment is material. Thinking and assessing people based on their competence/values is hard work. Much easier to vote for someone based on some identity issue: better vote for the black woman otherwise people will think I’m sexist and racist.
      
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      May 27, 2020 8:56am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Do heterosexuals ‘choose’ to use their heterosexuality as part of their political identity?
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:02am
      - cmm
        
        mma: I can’t understand what point you are trying to make.
        
        I suppose there are politicians who do present themselves as a normal family man/woman with two kids who understands the common person. But they likely don’t generally call anyone that disagrees with them a normalphobe.
        
        There are some Christian parties who make a song and dance about being Christian. They don’t try to shame non Christians into voting for/supporting them. I’ve never hear them wailing about Christianphobes. It might happen, but I have not heard it.
        
        It does seem though that there are lots of gay/female/refugee/Indian/Maori/whatevers who expect an upside from exploiting their identity but when they get pushback they scream Xphobe.
        
        What they should realise is that if you signal that you have an in-crowd, then you simultaneously signal that you have an out-crowd.
        
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        May 27, 2020 11:03am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    When we only have two varieties splitting them on demand is darn hard. “They” does not fit well in the singular.
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:45am
    - trout
      
      Yes MM Heterosexuals ‘DO choose to use their heterosexuality as part of their political identity’; more is the pity. Why do you think Muller is constantly wheeling out wife and family? if not to make the point. Why did Jacinda get engaged? Identity politics is fashionable right now; with luck it will wear itself out and become passe.
      
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      May 27, 2020 11:03am
  - Ruawai
    
    Media are calling National white face, is that not racist??
    
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    May 27, 2020 11:55am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I think that is funny.
      
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      May 27, 2020 3:25pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Seems like the moderator needs to stick to moderating. False accusations of homophobia are not nice though.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:26am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    If the moderator really thought it was a false accusation of homophobia, surely a warning or even a ban would be appropriate. My main objection is to disappearing comments without explanation.
    
    [Mod: I am not the moderator who banned the comments last night, but having seen them in the trash folder, I agree with what my fellow moderator did. If you have an issue with moderation, I suggest you take it up directly with DPF, rather than try to relitigate it here]
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:32am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Will do.
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:02am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Mod: in this case I think we’re getting a worthwhile discussion out of Milky’s little gripe though: when does the left think discrimination and identity politics are lovely, and when are they suddenly baaaaad??
      
      [Mod: that’s fine but we’re trying to dampen down the personal abuse going both ways.]
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:10am
  - Tall Man
    
    As one who gets frequently “moderated” for allowing a comment to stray into what a mod perceives as personal abuse, I can say that I see mikey’s comment as little more than abuse of the poster. For mikey that is a common occurrence.
    
    In my defense, I have a more direct sense of humour than a particular mod so suffer the consequences when he/she doesn’t get it ?
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:45am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I disagree the comments are homophobic. The gay community is just that – a “community”. That means that it is credible to point out that a gay political commentator may have sympathy for the plight of a gay politician at least partly because she is gay. I do not find it credible that Marilyn would have penned a similar piece about a straight woman who otherwise had all the attributes of Louisa Wall.
  
  By contrast, there is no heterosexual “community” because about 98 percent of people are at least predominantly heterosexual.
  
  For the record, I don’t care whether Louisa Wall is the candidate or not. It is a matter for the Labour Party. I also agreed with the marriage inequality law change.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:31am
- Komata
  
  MM@0810
  
  Oh Diddums, so you’re now playing the ‘woe is me, I’ve been wonged’ victim card!!
  
  How very strange; you have no problems ‘dishing the dirt’ (and indeed have now got quite a reputation for doing-so) but don’t seem to like it when it is returned in kind.
  
  Perhaps, as has been suggested many times by others, you should clean-up your act, or, if that is ‘beneath’ you, consider leaving this site permanently!
  
  Just a thought; your choice.
  
  Thank you.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:32am
  - Garbageman
    
    Thats it in a nutshell Komata maybe 1 in 50 comments are not some snarky childish bollocks, i have even seen a mod admonish KB for downvoting his one sensible comment into oblivion, that would be like an employee walking past my office door to insult me at his leisure but the one time he is respectful i am expected to be polite & benevolent yeah thats not how life actually works you are more likely to get a DCM or a good back hand
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:10am
- burt
  
  This kind of homophobia should be condemned.
  
  You need to consider who you’re offending here, there are people in our community who think gay people should be killed and remember they are us.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:35am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    There are people in the Kiwiblog community who are comfortable with casual homophobia. Deleting my comments pointing that out was my objection.
    The fact that some Muslims might be homophobic to the point of homicide was not my point, but thanks for sharing. But tell me, what percentage of homosexuals murdered in hate crimes in New Zealand have been murdered by Muslims?
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:43am
    - burt
      
      The fact that some Muslims might be homophobic to the point of homicide was not my point
      
      Some… but all wearers of a MAGA hat are racist and misogynistic – all of them!
      
      But only some wearers of towels on their head are anti gay.
      
      Keep digging, you lefty identity politics lovers are too dim to see your own talking points makes absolute idiots of yourselves when looked at objectively from outside of your echo chamber.
      
      Oh, and based on your vitriol for the MAGA hat and all it stands for you should be claiming all anti gay hatred has been perpetuated by Muslim (and Christian) people. The hat defines the person and their deeds right?
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:18am
      - freethinker
        
        mnm – I notice you sometimes get upticked including by me for factual unbiased comment worthy of discussion keep it up and you contribute to the blog otherwise best to keep quiet or continue to be downticked without comments being read simply because its you.
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:48am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      It’s not homophobia.
      
      Quotas, identity activism etc are very real things and when someone who shares a cause with someone backs them politically it’s reasonable to point it out. Just like how many people ignore what scientists working for big oil or Susie the Socialist say.
      
      Ironically, it’s why Maurice Williamson got a huge amount of the credit for the marriage equality bill instead of Wall, because he didn’t have skin in the game and was just doing what he thought was right.
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:18am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Suggesting that one person supports another’s work simply because they have the same sexual orientation is a classic piece of bigotry. Just because you don’t recognise a piece of bigotry does not make it any less real.
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:05am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        There are literally constant calls for more representation for LGBT people by LGBT people. The fact the person backing the gay person against the non-gay person is gay is entirely relevant. It’s not bigotry, it’s simply a statement of fact. It’s not that they share a sexual orientation, it’s that Louisa Wall is a proven advocate of gay rights, Arena Williams isn’t and Waring benefits from that advocacy. It is entirely reasonable for a gay person to want to back the gay rights advocate but it’s also entirely reasonable to point out that they have skin in the game.
        
        Just because you think something is bigotry doesn’t mean it is. You are making assumptions against people based on your perception of their political leanings. That actually is bigotry.
        
        We’re just saying that Louisa Wall actively advocates for LGBT issues so it’s reasonable to expect other LGBT activists to be backing her and to take that into account when they do.
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:40am
    - Tall Man
      
      “There are people in the Kiwiblog community who are comfortable with casual homophobia”
      
      And again, the direct slur on KiwiBlog posters who don’t share your “liberal” views. I personally don’t think you give a stuff and would gleefully attack someone who like butter if it got you a moment in your darkened and lonely room.
      
      For the record, I like butter so bring it on.
      
      Why don’t you vent your hatred elsewhere?
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:30am
      - Batman
        
        He is correct that a segment of KB posters are far too comfortable throwing homophobic slurs around like it’s still 1975.
        
        The mods often delete it outright but some stuff still gets through.
        
        So no, it is not a slur.
        
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        May 27, 2020 9:57am
      - Tall Man
        
        As you said Batman, you weren’t the original mod but the initial quote was in no way homophobic.
        
        Two lesbians supporting each other, no surprises there is no more offensive than a tv advertisement saying “Aussies, no surprises there”.
        
        Just saying something is homophobic doesn’t make it so any more than calling it racist doesn’t make it so.
        
        Snowflakes employ that tactic far too often today and just because I see the world differently than you doesn’t make me wrong or you right.
        
        No one sector of society is “protected” from being offended. I see a recent UK High Court judge ruled that. Maybe as a mod and a poster you and the rest of us could learn from that ruling.
        
        Being offended does not make the comment offensive in my mind and I have been abused on this blog by both posters and mods but like most big boys I either take it on the chin or fight back.
        
        I do not want to see this blog deteriorate into a massive shit storm but was it so before tarrant won the internet in NZ?
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:30am
    - Inandout
      
      M&M, come on, you know that when a group becomes large in the community they do push their anti gay stance to life threatening levels. As an example, try walking the streets of Bradford (UK) in a Gay Day Out costume.
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:33am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        So, you respond to a discussion about homophobia by pushing a piece of Islamophobia?
        If you wish to indulge in whataboutism, by all means go ahead. Or start another thread about homophobia in Islam.
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:07am
      - Tall Man
        
        I took his comment to reflect on the “woke” police in Bradford that condone child sex gangs but heavily “police” anything they perceive as “taking the piss” and wandering down any street in the UK today in a “Gay Day Out” cossie has to be taking the piss.
        
        Yet, another personal slur pops out of your mouth and onto our screens.
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:47am
      - burt
        
        mikenmild
        
        It’s not Islamophobia to point out the values followed by Muslims. Citing what their scripture says, and what a lot of them as individuals agree with, is not discriminating against them it is simply talking about their faith based values.
        
        Saying Muslims don’t eat bacon is no different to saying Muslims don’t accept homosexuality. Both are no more and no less than observations of the things dictated to them by their religion.
        
        In the same way saying a staunch Catholic is going to be against abortion isn’t being anti Catholics or Catholicism.
        
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        May 27, 2020 3:55pm
    - cmm
      
      “But tell me, what percentage of homosexuals murdered in hate crimes in New Zealand have been murdered by Muslims?”
      
      Why the need to qualify that with “in New Zealand”?
      
      If someone walked up and down the road with Jackboots and swastikas you might be reasonably offended as a New Zealand Jew even though Nazis never killed Jews in NZ.
      
      We have people getting upset about Maga hats in NZ even though Trump has no intentions to build walls in NZ.
      
      Every time a person freely associates themselves with a religion they associate themselves with what that religion means. Mohammed said gays must be killed and this is vigorously practiced in many parts of the world and I’ve never seen any condemnation of this by local Muslims. Muslims associate themselves with this whether it is happening in NZ or not.
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:29am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Perhaps you should take your own advice and keep your personality out of your comments.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:41am
  - Tall Man
    
    I struggle with that advice. Some people just annoy the shit out of me with their inane or deliberately obtuse comments … and don’t get me started on liars 😉
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:31am
    - Batman
      
      Good to see you’ve done some self reflection, TM ?
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:54am
      - Tall Man
        
        Didn’t say I’d altered anything Batman.
        
        I did see a mod tell me over the weekend that I’d earned another holiday for some innocuous comment but sanity prevailed and I never got the email.
        
        We all need to pause before we hit enter and that does include you and the other mods at times 😉
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:33am
- BobbyS
  
  Two comments for and against
  I didn’t see your “attack of the poster” but for what its worth, if anyone disagrees with someones elses’ opinion then don’t attack the person, attack the opinion
  That comment about conflict of interest was stupid & deserves a rejection & condemnation
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:50am
- Nukuleka
  
  milkey: ffs I’m gay. Get a bloody life.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:57am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Boo hoo. Someone downticked me cos I’m gay. Moderator! My feelingz are hurt.
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:23am
    - stewmar
      
      Boo hoo. Someone downticked me cos I’m gay. Moderator! My feelingz are hurt
      
      Just look in the mirror and give yourself a horse toothy grin and nod your head from side to side several times and everything will be ok
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:21am
      - Tall Man
        
        Stew, you need to stop with that “self harm” inducing advice …. Now, where’s that report button 🙂
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:34am
    - Raphael
      
      Nukuleka if you’re gay, but don’t vote Labour, then you ain’t gay
      
      (no apologies for mocking Biden)
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:36am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        LOL. Identity politics in a nutshell. Individuality is null and void, everything of importance about you is dictated by your parentage, you are no more than what you appear to be and you must conform to the cliched beliefs and behavior’s that identitarian racist/sexist/bigots have selected for you.
        
        Regressive to the point of being antediluvian.
        
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        May 27, 2020 5:27pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Get a bloody life”.
    
    Nail on head time I think.
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:32am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Yes, I agree (but probably for a different reason than yours).
      
      I went back through this particular thread, and there is nothing that I saw which could possibly have prompted Nuks to declare: milkey: ffs I’m gay.
      
      What possible relevance did that comment have to the conversation? Quite frankly, it was too much, and totally unnecessary, information
      
      milkey: get a bloody life, would have sufficed.
      
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      May 27, 2020 1:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And, if I recall, you have informed us of that fact more than once.
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:33am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Thanks, Maggy. I didn’t know that.
      
      It would seem, therefore, that Nuks was accusing mikenmildagain of attacking him directly! If that is the case, then, clearly, Nuks is overly sensitive about his sexual orientation.
      
      In this day and age, why would that be? No-one gives a toss about that sort of thing anymore. Perhaps it has something to do with the characteristic that I associate with him: his social conservatism.
      
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      May 27, 2020 1:24pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Why should being gay get you a pass on a casual assumption that two lesbians would automatically support one another? Do you think all homosexuals would support you?
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:08am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Do you think all homosexuals would support you?”
      
      They might so is your assumption by definition “homophobic” because you infer they may not?
      
      I mean, gay people are just so different aren’t they that who knows what they think? I mean, natural bonding with “like” must apply mustn’t it … or must it?
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:37am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Look at the pride parade debacle as an example.
        
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        May 27, 2020 3:09pm
    - Ruahine
      
      I have quite fancied some female homosexuals I have met.
      
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      May 27, 2020 11:46am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      No, No, No, MM, that’s not how the intersectionality/identity politics game is played. If you buy into the bullshit then you have to recognize you are lower on the victimology heirarchy and therefore have no right to question those whom god has anointed. And for your side Nukuleka is aristocracy who must never be criticised (not digging at you Nukuleka).
      
      Notice how so many powerful critics of the left are armored by their identity – Douglas Murray, Candace Owen, Thomas Sowell, Dave Rubin
      
      Hand in your woke card or join the dark side.
      
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      May 27, 2020 5:38pm
- Random T Person
  
  I fully agree with you on this Mike. Yes you are a snartarse, but so am I, and yes your views are radically different to those of most on this forum. But I welcome your views as a breath of, well if not fresh, then certainly different air, as I believe the way to better understanding of one another isn’t dismissal or ignorance or fear of alternative views, but rather an embrace of them as valid and valuable. After all, we all see the world differently and respect and appreciation of those differences is nothing more than common decency.
  I think a moderator owes you an apology for that personal attack and should probably consider whether or not they have the temperament to be a moderator in the first instance.
  A good day to you Sir.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    Pretty sure I’ve got the “smarty mod comment” record to date.
    
    I for one would prefer they engaged with “reasoning” for their action as in my case I think it could lead to a decent ‘retort” 🙂
    
    I am excluding direct insult/abuse of course.
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I have been the subject of snide, nasty and inaccurate comments by mikenmildagain for about five years.
    
    It is possible to express different opinions without resorting to lies or abuse – most of us manage to do so.
    
    Mikenmildagain often crosses the line, but tries to disguise his abuse by spurting out some pseudo-moral stance.
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:40am
    - Random T Person
      
      I do tend to agree, but I also feel like welcoming alt ideas instead of brigading them is a reasonable approach. It’s probably no wonder that MikenMild resorts to petty nonsense when for ages he’s been the recipient of attacks for his ideas/comments. In the same vein as the ‘but you started it’ chicken and egg schoolyard bollocks to which we are all prone, for a mod to call anyone a nasty prick is really not acceptable. It’s sinking to or below the same level.
      Shouldn’t we all try to do a bit better? And be nicer to one another? And seek understanding rather than conflict?
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:07am
      - Batman
        
        Absolutely agree with you on all points, random.
        
        There is an unfortunate tendency to pile on Mike’s comments when people should actually be just slightly more appreciative of having a different point of view that is considered and not simply a dumb comment like we get from some other much further left commenters.
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:11am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Meh, the vast majority of Mikeys comments are in response to what someone else said.
        He seldom makes his own Statement and if he does its usually just a Troll.
        He’s just here to provoke and be petty.
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:26am
      - Tall Man
        
        Sorry Batman, I don’t see mikey as “alt view” at all.
        
        He generally “cherry picks” a phrase, alters it’s meaning and then snidely comments.
        
        He’s a shit stirrer and apart from his “crap” of the day post seldom posts an initial comment.
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:51am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Kindness?
        
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        May 27, 2020 3:06pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That’s rubbish. You just don’t like having hypocrisy or nonsense pointed out.
      I think you should also draw a distinction between pre-moderation and post-moderation days.
      Under the old regime, virtually any personal insult was allowed. I didn’t see any reaction from you when I was accused of being a pedophile, for example.
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:11am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I never saw a comment that you were a pedophile.
        
        Why should there be a distinction between pre-moderation and post-moderation days?
        The same rules about not abusing/defaming commenters apply now as did then.
        
        The filth, lies and smears you and others wrote are still up on this blog.
        
        I never once saw you telling Griff or stephieboy or others to cool it when they were labelling me as mad, deranged, disturbed, or insinuating that I had got my qualifications dishonestly, or making unwarranted comments about my relationships.
        
        In fact, if we look through some of those nasty exchanges, we can see you were often there stirring the pot.
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:47am
    - Michael NZ
      
      and the Mods do……..
      
      yep thought so
      
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      May 27, 2020 11:41am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Looking for offence there Mike
  
  Is saying a white person supports someone because they’re white equally offensive?
  
  A Tongan supports a Tongan also offensive?
  
  [Edited by Mod: try keeping the abuse of others at a minimum people. Pile-ons aren’t something to aspire to)
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes, those are two further examples of bigotry.
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:11am
    - Tall Man
      
      Never been in a bar fight at the Royal Tavern in Cuba St then back in the day when PI’s congregated there on a Friday night have you mikey.
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:54am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Tall Man: I think you might be referring to the Royal Oak.
        
        The Royal Tavern was on Lambton Quay.
        
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        May 27, 2020 2:45pm
      - Tall Man
        
        You’re right of course.
        
        Too many visits to both I think.
        
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        May 27, 2020 9:06pm
- rjay
  
  Regardless of what people think your general behaviour is you make a good point here.
  And I get much amusement by how you trigger us RWW. Keeps us on our toes.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:52am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “condemned”? What are you Milky, god?
  
  Identity politics are shoved down our throats every day. Today again with the MSM ‘condemning’ National’s new front bench for being ‘too white’. After the way the MSM ignored Simon Bridges!
  
  Make up your mind, Leftists. Do you want equal rights, people promoted on merit and supporting others for good ideas, not race, gender or sexuality?
  
  Or is it all as *you* seem to want now: an NZ of identity politics where comments like “one lesbian supports another” would be absolutely fine if made by someone calling themselves ‘woke’.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:58am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    What the Leftists want is as many sticks as possible with which to beat National/ACT/NZ/anyone who dares to think critically.
    
    That’s why the media (and nobody else) goes after Muller for not being diverse, when what they really mean is “we will cherry-pick one element of diversity (skin colour) and ignore all the others we can’t pick on him for (gender – 3 out of top 4 are female, age, faith, height, shoe size etc). Our outrage is highly selective and identity-based. And we must serve our paymasters!”
    
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    May 27, 2020 11:04am
- Sacha
  
  “Someone who posts a thoughtful and genuine opinion deserves better than a flyby 2 or 3 word insult from a nasty prick like yourself.”
  
  I didn’t read mma’s post but I would like to point out that a moderator is there to moderate, and the word’s ‘nasty prick like yourself’ set a bad example & are hardly likely to encourage temperate language.
  
  ‘this blog is for everyone to voice opinions – if you want to engage, discuss the opinion, don’t attack the poster’ – nice words, but they apply to moderators too.
  If I sound like a reproving parent, it’s because I have had lots of experience!
  
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  May 27, 2020 10:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    As I said above, some posters just annoy the shit out of me sometimes and while not supporting the mod’s ability to insult, I can see the motivation for it.
    
    I don’t support all aspects of “moderation policy” as they are poorly defined in some ways and what you see as black I may see as dark grey. Calling me an arsehole doesn’t bother me but labelling me “childish” or “homophobic” is unreasonable as the my right of reply is somewhat restricted as is my ability to respond in kind by … moderation.
    
    mikey’s accusation “homophobic” was not borne out of any real regard for homosexuals, merely an opportunity to make a snide attack, as he is wont, on another poster.
    
    Anyone here who truly believes he gives a shit about lesbian or gay feelings is a definite prospect for a bridge sale.
    
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    May 27, 2020 11:05am
- Loddenthinks
  
  One of your problems is a lack of insight. Suggesting that pointing out that two people have the same sexual orientation and might therefore support one another, is very far removed from “homophobia” and is not in the least bit horrible.
  
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  May 27, 2020 10:47am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Hey Mike. As a long time kiwiblog reader and commentator you should know that Nukuleka is not homophobic. Your assumption about people is a shame you have to work on.
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/02/a_vicious_attack_on_gay_men.html#comment-2416793
  
  Personally I don’t care who likes who in their bedroom so long as it’s consensual, but he called out a conflict of interest as he saw it.
  
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  May 27, 2020 2:49pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Todd Muller has said that he selected his Cabinet based on merit and experience.

Give that man a beer!
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May 27, 2020 8:01am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  He’ll need one after picking that useless lazy lightweight Nicki!
  
  Ask anyone who had to work for her how much fun National’s little “princess” is, and how she puts in the hard yards /sarc
  
  Maybe she can help him to choose a new hat?
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:22am
  - BobbyS
    
    I watched Nicki respond to reporters about ethnicity of the caucus – first mistake Nicki – don’t buy in to the leftist BS.
    The MSM in NZ has many many lightweight kids who search for the “racist” stories – don’t give them air time
    If Nicki intends to survive in the spotlight then she needs some help with her ability to respond to these leeches
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:53am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      She did put her foot in it a bit with the Paul Goldsmith comment, though to be fair I’ve seen many with fairer skin that claimed some maori blood.
      
      However she did point out that 3 of the top 4 spots were held by women, and didn’t that show diversity? Funny how the agit-prop reporters failed to mention that.
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:49am
    - Ruawai
      
      Todd Muller should ask the reporters how many on their news channel are Maori.
      
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      May 27, 2020 11:57am
  - sooty
    
    But she did beat Cindy on the hustings, not once but twice! So there must be something there!
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:57am
    - oldfella
      
      Yep, Cindy gets a free pass from the MSM, Nikki… ?Nah. Not so much.
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:24am
    - Tall Man
      
      Auckland voters don’t like liars?
      
      Picked goff though…….
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:47am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        They picked Goff (and Brown) in the absence of a credible centre-right candidate.
        
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        May 27, 2020 10:50am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Tall Man well knows that Loddenthinks. As usual, he just couldn’t help himself.
        
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        May 27, 2020 2:32pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Rumbled again Steve.
        
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        May 27, 2020 9:09pm
    - Sacha
      
      She’s a blonde!
      If she carries on like this, she will become a joke in no time at all.
      Unfortunately it’s all on the internet now, ready to be dragged out any time she raises her head above the parapet.
      Boring!
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:17am
- cmm
  
  Talk is cheap.
  
  I’ll keep my beer in the fridge until he’s actually done what he says.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:27am
- Prince
  
  Ms Ferguson called him a racist later.
  Media still going full bore at National, not going to stop before September.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:29am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    My ma-in-maw got in touch on Monday. She had listened to Kathryn Ryan browbeating Todd Muller, barely letting him get a word in edgeways. She described Ryan as “pushy and rude” and thought Muller handled himself well.
    
    Interestingly, although she has no overt interest in politics, she asked if I had Muller’s email address so she could drop him a note congratulating him. I believe she is representative of a large number of Kiwis who get pissed off by bullying, hectoring media.
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:49am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      One thing I wish Simon Bridges, and now Todd Muller, had learned from Winston Peters: don’t let the interviewer interrupt you.
      
      Why do they let them rudely barge in? I hoped Muller would have more courage and gravitas, but in this morning’s interview on RNZ Muller couldn’t finish a sentence.
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:24am
      - Steve Todd
        
        I don’t know this for sure, but it must have something to do with what they are taught in “media training”. As soon as you are interrupted, stop talking.
        
        Politically, that is better than being seen by the TV audience as rude (by talking over the interviewer), or frustrated or angry (with the interviewer), etc.
        
        In my view, that is why it was unfair to describe Kelvin Davis as “pathetic”, etc., following his interview with Paul Henry. Henry was determined to ride roughshod over Davis, and the media-trained Davis allowed him to, knowing that Henry would come out looking worse than him (not to commenters here, perhaps, but generally).
        
        The Tame-Muller (Monday night) interview was different, because Muller refused to answer Tame’s primary question. Why? Because Muller knows full well that, should he be prime minister from October, his government will spend much more than the current government has already indicated it will spend, as will the current government.
        
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        May 27, 2020 1:40pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        as will the current government (should it be re-elected).
        
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        May 27, 2020 1:54pm
      - Dazzaman
        
        Media training…..mmmm. I see Trump basically does the opposite and tends to dominate reporters who try to hector him. Perhaps Muller and Kaye need to take that approach and lay waste!
        
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        May 27, 2020 4:22pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    $50 million buys a lot of ‘editorial support’ from the ~~4th estate~~ ministry of truth
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:55am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      The whole truth and nothing but the truth apparently, not however my truth.
      
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      May 27, 2020 2:39pm
  - Clyde
    
    Listening to Moaning Report this morning with the Ferguson “interview” with Henare – Ferguson and her production team, actually enticed and encouraged Henare to call Muller a racist by not selecting a maori – or as I prefer to call them, East Polynesians – into the front bench of his line-up.
    
    Is it not basically racist to claim, as Moaning Report consistently does, that people chosen for public positions need to be selected on the basis of their race?
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:07am
    - MCos
      
      Here is the the Tau Henare interview with Susie Ferguson.
      He raises some interesting points, mainly that the front bench should be a microcosm of NZ.
      The MPs are not know as collectively as The House of Representatives for nothing.
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018748151/tau-henare-on-national-party-s-new-front-bench
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:50am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Yes, it is collectively called the HOUSE of Representatives, not the Front Bench of Ethnic Representatives.
        
        By the way, there are 29 MPs claiming Maori ancestry (30 if you count Goldsmith lol), accounting for 24% of all MPs. Yet the percentage of the NZ population claiming Maori ancestry is only 16.5% so in fact Maori are over-represented by almost 50%!!!
        
        Where are the headlines denouncing this clear reverse racism? Where are the calls for balance? Where are the hagiographies praising the Great Balancer, Muller?
        
        All joking aside, where are the calls for MPs to be selected and promoted for their experience, skills, aptitude and competence, rather than the colour of their skin?
        
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        May 27, 2020 11:12am
      - Jack5
        
        Ferguson, Red Radio’s Leftist early-morning journo in the item linked to by MCos says in the clip: “There are no Maori MPs on the front bench, or any other ethnicities.”
        
        White is not an ethnicity? Or group of ethnicities?
        
        The RNZ web site caps the State entity’s neutral stance [sarc.] with the blurb about the National front bench item:
        
        “The lack of diversity of the National Party’s top team is raising eyebrows, and even a eliciting a modicum of mockery.
        
        “While three out of the top ranked MPs are women, there are no Maori MPs on the front bench.
        
        “Other non-Pakeha MPs don’t get a look in either.”
        
        A “modicum of mockery”. How quaintly BBC. How colonial of RNZ.
        
        It was Ferguson’s ambush interview, talking over Simon Bridges, who is part-Maori, that sparked the party mutiny that overthrew him.
        
        Now Ferguson is bitching that the toppling of Bridges and his part-Maori deputy, the similarly very capable Paula Bennett, leaves National without Maori on its front bench.
        
        What a hypocrite.
        
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        May 27, 2020 12:46pm
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Maybe on merit is true, but so is that he chose that voted for him.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    Mitchell ring any bells? Don’t stray into the labour lies, we have ardern for that.
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:48am
- niggly
  
  Note to Nikki Kay, when the likes of tv reporters like Tova (or Jessica) ask you silly pointed questions in the hallway, don’t be nice and tell her let’s check with Paul Goldsmith, instead say I’ll get back to you later.
  
  Don’t be fooled that because the parliamentary press gallery were nice to you on Friday and Monday, that they will be nice to you the following day – clearly they weren’t and decided to make a minor story a major story, no doubt their justification being is that it’s “newsworthy” because of the way the politicians responded.
  
  Leadership is a tough gig (look at the crap and distractions that Simon Bridges and Paula Bennett had to endure – they became the fall guys for anything and everything and the same will apply to the nice Mr Muller and nice Ms Kaye – might be wise to consider further media training perhaps).
  
  Now as I said last week I’m not convinced the Muller/Kaye leadership coup was a good thing, and I will criticise them if they stuff up, but this is the new team that needs supporting and although I am sympathetic to Simon Bridges and Paula Bennett for being stabbed by cowards in the back I would expect better of them, so Paula please try not to lol like you did yesterday publicly and for goodness sake Simon take up the Justice portfolio (not foreign affairs) because your extensive knowledge of the justice system and inner mongrel will be a strength when taking on the duplicitous and scheming “Angry” Andy Little. It’s all Simon’s to win and Andrew’s to loose – game on!
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:54am
  - Prince
    
    Nikki needs to understand that the the Media think ‘speaking truth to power’ means ripping into National, because Labour are the good guys, their buddies.
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:08am
    - Ruawai
      
      Just like ponytailgate. Blow a small thing up out of all proportion.
      
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      May 27, 2020 12:01pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Yes I hope Simon and Paula do not act like spoiled brats and keep taking pot shots at the new leadership team. National needs to show unity else we will end up with a further three years of Labour and Greens destroying NZ. Even a united National team only have a very slim chance of winning this election.
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:18am
  - MCos
    
    Do you think the Deputy Leader of the National Party still needs advice from some anonymous contributor to Kiwiblog after four terms in parliament on how to answer media questions?
    
    Another day, another surprise for Mr Goldsmith.
    First he finds outs he’s still Finance Spokesman when his new boss tells the world and then he finds out he’s Maori when his deputy boss tells the world.
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:19am
  - stewmar
    
    Note to Nikki Kay, when the likes of tv reporters like Tova (or Jessica) ask you silly pointed questions in the hallway, don’t be nice and tell her let’s check with Paul Goldsmith, instead say I’ll get back to you later.
    
    Just ignore the stupid biased bitches
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:30am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Stabbed by cowards in the back, you say? Far from it, it was done the National way, rolling them away from the cameras but very much to their face.
    
    Do you imagine it was easy for Muller, not yet through his second term as an MP, to mount a challenge knowing that if he failed (and Bridges’ move to call the emergency caucus meeting was equally brave, though ultimately self-defeating), that could well be the end of his aspirations? He would not have been rewarded for the distraction of a leadership spill if Bridges had managed to rebuff it, and if National lost under Bridges (as they surely would have), Muller would cop some of the blame.
    
    I think it took courage, organisation, persuasion and decisiveness. These are all qualities I admire and want to see in the Leader of the National Party.
    
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    May 27, 2020 11:18am
    - niggly
      
      Hey I’ve don’t have anything against Todd Muller and Nikki Kaye (they are very capable MP’s in their own right and hopefully will do well for National as the new leadership) as they weren’t the instigators (apparently the likes of Michelle Boag was and she simply chose them to front the party). So the backstabbing I’m referring to is within the wider party (hierarchy) itself and the other thing is, how can you have former Presidents undermining the current President (and former leadership)?
      
      It’s bad enough having H1 interfering with Labour and their leadership in the background, perhaps I naively thought National wouldn’t do the same!
      
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      May 27, 2020 11:51am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        “apparently the likes of Michelle Boag was and she simply chose them to front the party”
        
        Yeah, nah if that’s what you think you may need to spend less time on another blog. Todd Muller’s his own man and Michelle Boag doesn’t have anything like the influence you might believe.
        
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        May 27, 2020 12:44pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  A bit late to the punch. He needs a lot of media training and to memorize the extended play-book of withering responses – like comics do in dealing with hecklers.
  
  Not everyone can master that skill set, but that is what is needed to by the front-man.
  
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  May 27, 2020 5:45pm
MT_Tinman

What a useless, good for nothing shower of shit!

Instead of standing up to media slime with “F@#k you! We choose on merit!” the tossers spent all of yesterday apologising to the bastards for choosing on merit.

We (that’s New Zealand folks) NEED an opposition not a bunch of media-driven wooftas!
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May 27, 2020 8:03am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  You wake up expecting National Party politicians (with a very few honourable mentions) to suddenly grow a spine and some principles?
  
  About as much chance of that as me being Ngati Porou!
  
  Bwuhahahaha!
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:24am
- Steve James
  
  Totally agree with you MT_Tinman. Bloody muppets should know by now that THE MEDIA HATES THEM!!! so don’t give the media ammunition.
  And lying about a party member’s race….. hero to zero in one sentence.
  Party vote ACT
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:38am
  - kowtow
    
    I doubt it was a lie. There must be some stories around Goldsmiths antecedents and that was a genuine mistake by kaye .
    A desperate and rather pathetic attempt though .
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:54am
    - tui47
      
      There was. Nikki Kaye said he was Ngāti Porou (I may have spelt that wrong). When Goldsmith was questioned he said he had extended family and family who had married Ngāti Porou. So obviously Nikki was referring to what she knew about Goldsmith. She was inaccurate in the fact he was not a descendant himself.
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:30am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It was pathetic that Kaye became defensive on the race/diversity issue. Total own goal.
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:04am
  - tf78
    
    I thought Todd Muller was taking the proverbial when he said “obviously Paul Goldsmith is Ngati Parou” or whatever the tribe is. I mean why would you think he was serious. Nikki on the other hand is very weak in my opinion and I don’t know why she even got involved and ruined Todd’s joke.
    
    I guess everyone is entitled to a few gaffs until they get settled into their new positions but not too many that’s for sure.
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:26am
    - MCos
      
      That wasn’t a gaffe.
      It was an insult to both Goldsmith & Māori.
      ‘You want representation?
      Paul’s great great grandfather conjugated with a Maori on the side’
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:36am
      - Jack5
        
        MCos suggests it was an insult to Goldsmith to say he was a Maori (a macronated one, too!).
        
        Mmm. That’s going more than a bit far.
        
        Stay safe from the Wuhan flu, MCos. ?
        
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        May 27, 2020 11:19am
      - MCos
        
        Does everything have to be explained to you?
        
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        May 27, 2020 12:22pm
      - Jack5
        
        Explain away.
        
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        May 27, 2020 1:15pm
KevO'Brien

Who really is at risk–are we too locked down?
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/focus-covid-19-death-rate
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May 27, 2020 8:09am
- krazykiwi
  
  That’s useful analysis. Thanks for posting.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:30am
- emmess
  
  People like this
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC_lZLzCrOI
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:33am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  I am 69 year old Asthmatic, so I guess just on the vunerable side. I will travel as soon as I can and go about my life as normal.
  Those that want to lock themselves away, do it, but let the rest of the world get on with living and making a living.
  Great saying from an Irish Comedian;
  “Live everyday of you life like it is your last day, one day you will be right”!
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:18am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Thanks for the very insightful link Kev ?
  
  Especially in regards to this graphic:
  https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/2020-05-26_5-33-32.jpg?itok=a68ofp8u
  
  “The carnage of COVID-19 is concentrated in elder care facilities not in the population at large. The policies and procedures, including lockdowns and state-of-the-art personal protection practices for those facilities, should have been more thoroughly thought out based on useful data.
  
  The consequence has been inappropriate policies. They have resulted in a bizarro world of highly restricted commercial functioning and immense economic destruction, alongside no evidence that lives were saved and growing evidence of second-tier loss of life resulting from lockdown.”
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:35am
jv

Why get defensive? Why not just say “my front bench appointments are based on [my assessment of] merit”?
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May 27, 2020 8:12am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Exactly, he could have hired Kelvin or Waitari, Or Williams or Mahuta….. or Wall?
  
  All clearly top drawer and chosen on merit!
  
  bwuhahaha!
  
  Only Judith had anticipated the cheap shot to come.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:29am
- bruceavon
  
  Yes. Unnecessary own goal. and allowed Shane Jones to make fun of them in parliament. They should have known this was going to come up, but panicking and saying Paul Goldsmith had some ancient maori connection was not even required. They should have just said they previously had a maori leader and deputy, so obviously not racist, but now they have moved on and have selected on merit based on who is here now. Bennett even seemed to be making fun of this too which points to disharmony. Cant afford to make mistakes like this against Ardern etc. The first day in the house wasn’t flash either. Got to get themselves together. Shouldn’t be apologising for anything. Not taking the hat was BS too.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:32am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    He should have worn the bloody hat at the next interview! (and the democrat pins or whatever).
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:25am
- kowtow
  
  To be fair though , one thing that did emerge from the Ross Tapes was this ridiculous effort by the Nats ( and probably all parties these days) was to look “diverse” . And look how well that turned out for them.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:56am
- niggly
  
  Todd Muller spoke with excellence and clarity last Friday when he praised the PM but noted there are only two or three heavy lifters in Labour (which even had the PM on the backfoot a day or so later when she tried to defend that).
  
  So try and do the same again please, when questioned by the MSM eg you picked your initial top 10 on merit (and you will keep an eye on other National Maori MP’s performance for promotion later) and that by the way, unlike the govt you don’t appoint people by race to senior positions on tokenism!
  
  (Note just like Friday, no naming names, let the MSM fill in the dots and ask Cindy to splutter a “refutal”)!
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:07am
  - stewmar
    
    Todd Muller spoke with excellence and clarity last Friday when he praised the PM but noted there are only two or three heavy lifters in Labour (which even had the PM on the backfoot a day or so later when she tried to defend that).
    
    Muller shouldn’t have praised the PM he should have talked about her Teri Le handling of the lockdown. Not moving two weeks earlier, not closing the borders when she was advised to. Completely tanking the economy and not going back to level one when community transmission was beaten. Who does he think he was kidding but heaping praise on the hapless PTPM?
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:37am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Muller dealt with Jacindmania in an exemplary way. By admitting and acknowledging that her performance had been impressive he took the wind out the media’s sails, and immediately painted himself as different from his predecessor.
      
      There’s absolutely zero mileage in criticising Jacinda or the government’s response – regardless of your opinion, the votes are in and the people love her. Fighting that is peeing into the wind and Todd seems to be a lot smarter than that.
      
      But he also said he reserves the right to criticise them, and will criticise them, and drew a line under the health response and shifted the focus to the economic response. He portrayed National as being far better qualified and experienced to rebuild the economy, and I think he’s correct. He just has to convince another 15 – 20% of middle New Zealand and it’s game on.
      
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      May 27, 2020 11:25am
Philview

RNZ have spent the last 2 hours attacking Todd Muller about the lack of Maoris on the front bench. They are now drawing a link between the Maga cap and the lack of front bench diversity that Todd Muller is a white supremacist.
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May 27, 2020 8:14am
- kevn
  
  @Phil… The (bought) MSM really are pathetic aren’t they.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:40am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  You get a lot of airtime for $50 million it seems.
  
  Did anybody really expect any different from radio PPTA?
  
  Soon it is shut down the better – if the SJWs want pinko radio, perhaps it should fund itself?
  
  “quality journalism” my arse.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:45am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The economy will flatten all shortly so this little girl media nonsense will be washed away. The media were once at risk of having to pay for displeasing people with their message. Revisit overdue?
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:54am
- Paulus
  
  If Todd is a white supremacist – then so am I.
  Typical crap as usual from the left media.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:01am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    #MeToo
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:07am
- Clyde
  
  Look at the Board of Radio NZ and say that it wasn’t selected entirely on race. A disgrace.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:10am
- alex Masterley
  
  I dont listen to RNZ.
  I suspect that if I did the radio being listened to would have a very short life span.
  
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  May 27, 2020 11:03am
krazykiwi

The next time someone says
“Covid is nothing like the flu”,
show them this chart.

[Mod. comment @0932: This link appears to be blocked, Error 1011.]
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May 27, 2020 8:22am
- KevO'Brien
  
  COL quality.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:55am
- krazykiwi
  
  Odd. Link works from my pc. Try this one.
  
  .. or .. https://off-guardian.org/wp-content/medialibrary/Picture-2.jpg
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:57am
Tomtoddy

The media are getting desparate. Still pushing the twaddle about a cap. Muller had a “howlerof a day”. No Maoris in the top dozen.

Utterly childish and irresponsible.
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May 27, 2020 8:25am
- tf78
  
  They need to adopt Trump’s talk to the hand approach.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:37am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Then when Simon comes in under 12 the media will say it was due to them.
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:55pm
Tricati

We have many in the media losing their little minds over a bloody hat, and if National have enough Maori in their front bench. All this while we have daily news of redundancies on a scale unprecedented in NZ history, yet no analysis or in-depth view of the effects this is having on both the people involved, their families or the economy.
Could it be the MSM are running deflection on the unemployment issue, as the Wage Subsidy hasn’t stemmed the flow – The assistance both Ardern and Robertson go to when questioned on what they are doing to assist business.
Having to use a bloody hat, and implied racism, to undermine a new opposition leader say’s more about the Government, and its lack of an economic plan, and the MSM. Throwing more tax-payer money, via borrowing, seems to be the only government answer but I suspect many out there are starting to see through this as unemployment rises.
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May 27, 2020 8:26am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  And the wave of domestic violence. The wave of suicides, and lets face it, the massive increase in child poverdy!
  
  So lets go and chase squirrels somewhere else – look a hat!
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:47am
- Sacha
  
  ‘ yet no analysis or in depth-view . . . . . ‘
  What do you expect of excited 30 year olds who are allowed out with no supervision? They are driven by their egos, and thoughtful judgement and truthfulness don’t get a chance.
  It’s all about the profile, and being in PM’s Good Books – and not getting made redundant.
  
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  May 27, 2020 10:39am
Tony Stuart

Odd that this hasn’t been reported in the MSM; a Wellington-based journalist and Tech Editor posted a graphic on Monday night depicting the National Party front bench as members of the KKK, complete with white hoods. If you want, you can view it here, but please note that the person whose tweet I have linked to is not responsible for the offensive content:

https://twitter.com/JoKiwi55/status/1265190407345823744

Last night, both TV channels led their news with a non-story about whether or not Paul Goldsmith is Maori. Can you imagine a different scenario, had this image been put into the public domain by someone like Mark Richardson or Sean Plunket, and the targets had been politicians from the Left? But so far, the silence from Tova O’Brien and her Newshub colleagues, from Jessica Mutch-Mackay and her colleagues at One News, and from RNZ, the Herald and from Stuff, where the author of the tweet has worked in the past, is deafening.

Ironically, O’Brien had a tweet promoting Newshub’s lead story last night which closed “You couldn’t make this shit up”. Some would argue that’s exactly what she and her fellow travelers do, on a regular basis!
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May 27, 2020 8:26am
- Prince
  
  Meanwhile thousands of workers were made redundant yesterday, but they can now sit at home and switch on the ‘News’ to follow these little games about hats and skin colour.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:34am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  I’m not sure it is a non-story when the national party falsely claims that one of its MPs is Maori. It’s not exactly a major story, more a mildly embarrassing hiccup.
  I think we all know what Kiwibloggers would be saying if Jacinda Ardern claimed Phil Twyford, for example, as a Maori.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:35am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Goldsmith’s whole situation is a bit confusing, as her referred to in his Maiden Speech in December 2011:
    
    PAUL GOLDSMITH (National) : I second the motion that a respectful address be presented to His Excellency the Governor-General in reply to His Excellency’s speech. I begin by joining my colleague Alfred Ngaro in congratulating you, Mr Speaker, on your election to the Chair. You bring honour to your office.
    
    Nō reira, e ngā rangatira, e ngā waka, e ngā karanga maha, tēnā koutou.
    
    The first member of my family to reach New Zealand was Charles George Goldsmith, who settled in Poverty Bay in the mid-1840s. He was a typical big-hearted pioneer, and a trader, and over the 50 years or so he lived in New Zealand he had four wives—two Ngāti Porou and two Pākehā—and 16 children. That is the sort of spirit that built this nation. But it was not easy for Charles George Goldsmith. Two of his children—Maria, aged 15, and Albert, who was just 4—were executed on the orders of Te Kooti during the Matawhero massacre of November 1868.
    
    On my mother’s side, her great-grandfather Edward Turner came to New Zealand in 1883. Like many migrants he was fleeing trouble at home and looking for a fresh start in a new land. He went on to found the great enterprise Turners and Growers, which amongst other things pioneered the export kiwifruit industry. One hundred years later as a schoolboy I worked down at the markets in the holidays and was inspired by my family’s enterprise. It feels fitting on a day like this to pay tribute to my forebears; their lives and their struggles bind me to this land.
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/50HansS_20111221_00000168/goldsmith-paul-address-in-reply
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:55am
    - Steve Todd
      
      There is no confusion there, Tony. Given that we have no evidence to the contrary, Goldsmith is clearly descended from one of the two Pākehā wives.
      
      I would also point out to Kiwibloggers, that while there may well be 29 current MPs who claim Māori ancestry (Loddenthinks, at 11:12AM, above), there is a big difference between having a smattering – or perhaps a little more – of Māori blood in your veins, and identifying as Māori.
      
      No way do 29 of our 120 MPS identify as Māori.
      
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      May 27, 2020 3:32pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The “hide the economy disaster” team are very active today.
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:57am
  - oldfella
    
    Or what we’d all be saying if Jacinda said Twyford was competent. Talk about laugh…
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:21am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    She claims that he is competent.
    
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    May 27, 2020 1:47pm
- chaos
  
  Sad that people do that, but alas it’s hypocritical to point that out while comments here attack labour on the same level.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:53am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The same nobody loser has tweeted (and retweeted, asking for more retweets) calling Todd Muller a “Maga hat wearing fuck” despite there being no evidence he has ever worn a Maga hat.
  
  Claims that Muller will only work for you if you’re white. Is white.
  
  Sometimes the amount of stupid in this world almost overwhelms me. But then I just stay away from Twitter and the MSM and it gets better.
  
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  May 27, 2020 11:42am
MCos

Baptisms ain’t what they used to be
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1265376227348578306?s=21
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May 27, 2020 8:28am
- mikenmildagain
  
  What next: wafers fired by slingshot at communion takers?
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:36am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Why not say something analogous about Islam, you hero /sarc.
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:48am
    - Garbageman
      
      & by “religiously addled” he only means you Christian types but you probably already knew that EH
      “mikenmildagain
      Pissing off the religiously addled is just a happy side effect to advocating for human rights”
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:46am
Steve James

Father of the year I reckon
Watch for just 2 minutes and you will smile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V37v1N0W7q8
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May 27, 2020 8:31am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Loved it – thank you. Interestingly, that little girl out the front dances exactly the same as I do. She carries it off a hell of a lot better though.
  
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  May 27, 2020 11:47am
Maggie Pie

Concern was raised yesterday by my partners mum (she’s a member of lobby group Hobson’s Choice) when she called to say rumors were rife in the Retirement Village that Epsom may well become a ‘Maori Seat’.
She was saying that whilst Paul Goldsmith has categorically denied being Maori, he has nevertheless not totally rejected his own whanaungatanga.

I think was able to put her mind at rest when i sent her this link……
https://nzissues.com/Community/index.php?threads/paul-goldsmith-maori.4381/
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May 27, 2020 8:31am
- oldfella
  
  Maybe Goldsmith should have just said…
  ‘You know what, I’ve decided that from today, I will self identify as Maori. The same way, according to the left, people can self-identify as male, or female, or any of the other 100+ genders.’
  And then stand back and watch the luvvy leftie media heads explode.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:30am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Remind her that Seymour is Maori.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:56am
  - MCos
    
    The entire ACT front bench.
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:52am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      100% of ACT MPs even 🙂
      
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      May 27, 2020 11:14am
cmm

Families broke but:
* They’re going to take the pay cuts from 4 days a week
* They’re going to spend the extra day flying AirNZ to Queenstown to spend up large and go bungee jumping.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121628668/majority-of-households-either-in-financial-crisis-or-on-the-brink
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May 27, 2020 8:33am
- Simon
  
  “The majority of households are in personal financial crisis”
  
  Lol – they put that in the ‘business section”
  
  The real stories are about Ardern being kind, amazing and leaving early or something.
  
  “They’re going to spend the extra day flying AirNZ to Queenstown”
  
  Comrade all they need to do is talk to their bank.
  Have you not heard of the “mortgage holiday”
  
  Now there are all sorts of holidays in NZ. They can all go to Queenstown. Its all fine.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:54am
  - cmm
    
    The real holiday that nobody is talking about is the employment holiday.
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:45am
  - seismac
    
    Guess I am just dumb this mortgage holiday does it work in Bali as well as Queenstown and could I get that $100,000 small business loan too
    
    Might make it Monarco and the casino at the same time –or do brainsurgery on a student loan at the same time -$-100500– PS I am 89 and lovvvvvvve Jacinda and all this money
    
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    May 27, 2020 5:04pm
- MCos
  
  I know people on substantial enough incomes, but nothing in the bank, who would buzz off to Oz for a week.
  
  Times have changed. We have two cell phones, internet, Sky. My parents had none of that shite. And lived in a shoebox in middle of road.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:56am
  - Sacha
    
    One of the best things I ever did was to cut up my credit card, wipe the overdraft facility, and learn to live on my fortnightly pay – it was tough going, but oh, the relief!
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:50am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Whaaat, you had a shoebox? Looxury 🙂
    
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    May 27, 2020 12:49pm
- JerJer
  
  Great job done of bring people out of poverdy in the last 3 years (was only going to take a month though). Followed up by smashing the economy and taking everyones job away, somewhat needlessly. Dithering on what to do about the Corona Virus, acting late, making the ecomonic impact the worst it possibly could be.
  
  Excellent result. Even a complete idiot could have protected the country from this virus and most importantly the fear of it (which is worse than the virus anyway)……and we almost managed to screw that up too. We had a unique and massive advantage of isolation, we are a couple of islands in the middle of nowhere.
  
  Huge support for this incompetence from the populace.
  
  Now for winter, no job, no heat, no money. Hug anyone ? Well, you going to actually need a hug now, because it is the only way you will keep warm.
  
  Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind…..mid winter Christmas.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:42am
I remember when

Psychics have the ability to give information about the past, present, or even the future, but not deliver messages from the “other side”.
Media is the plural form of medium.
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May 27, 2020 8:35am
greenfinger

Smoking ban in cars in the presence of children is just a BS piece of legislation for politicians to stand on top of the steps of Parliament to make themselves feel relevant and say they did something good for society. This was proposed and passed the guise of protecting the children, a subject which I am sure would decidedly pull the heart strings of the voters. Why not go the whole way and just ban smoking altogether? It will certainly save more lives than coronavirus might kill in a generation. Yet, this government is even considering allowing recreational use of cannabis? C’mon Cindy, Let’s get this done? You might just end up saving more lives this way than your lockdown?
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May 27, 2020 8:35am
- MCos
  
  I was in an English country pub with my local agrarian cousin in 2005. Smoking was on the verge of being banned in such places and the clientele was up in arms and wanted us to sign a petition.
  Ten years later when I went back nobody was complaining anymore.
  As far as I’m concerned the sooner kids are no longer subjected to tobacco smoke in cars or anywhere else the better.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:08am
  - MCos
    
    https://youtu.be/g_YZ_PtMkw0
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:16am
  - oldfella
    
    How about banning tobacco smoke AND cannabis smoke when children are in the same car. Reckon the left will go for that…?
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:34am
- Michael NZ
  
  It is about time.
  Adults should be prosecuted for smoking in cars with Children in them.
  No excuses, no mercy.
  
  $100 the first time. double thereafter each time.
  Piece of shit.
  I’d photo an abuser of kids and submit to NZPolice.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:12am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Greenfinger, I hated the stench of smoke in the car. Most journeys I’d hang my head out of the window throughout a journey to get fresh air. It didn’t even occur to my parents that maybe not inflicting smoke on me was an idea.
  
  Whether it should have become law can be argued, but certainly smokers in the 70s and 80s needed to at least be made aware that giving kids fresh air would be better.
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:34pm
oldpark

Surrender, complete Surrender by Hosking and his wife Kate Hawkesby have got the meme from their employers known as NZME owned by the NZ “toilet paper” Herald change you’re direction and stance on the present Regime or else. .Probably daily referred to as the North Korean propaganda outlet which daily acclaims dear leader “Auntie Cindy” as someone who daily walks on water in fact untouchable and beyond any form of common sense criticism. Even though she and her regime in a Covid-19 Panic and needlessly have destroyed NZs economy and turned it into ashes .
Back to the running scared Hosking and wife . Since 5.00AM on 27 05 2020 they have deliberately put the boot into the Nats way beyond a mention of something that happened in Parliament yesterday and forgiveable. Yes seems the Nats have been suckered by our Mainstream Media and completely highlighted any so called misdemeanor with their daily attack by keyboard operators and now the guy and wife who was once the voice of reason on his Morning show has now joined the same band of sickos masquerading as Journalists .At least we still have Peter Williams daily on Talk Magic from 9.00AM to Noon . Yes he is the new voice of reason and fair play for NZs who are desperate for some truth in the type of fake news and poison dished out daily by a bunch of sickos calling themselves Journalists lurking in Picture ,Print, Sound Media .Go Peter.
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May 27, 2020 8:36am
- ex-golfer
  
  For fucks sake OldPark – the Nats were a disaster yesterday. Even the most dedicated team Blue person (and I am one of them) should be embarrassed at the gaffes that were played out in public.
  We were all quick to put the boot into Hipkins when he failed at his very first task as Leader of the House. Well – Team Muller have just taken Hipkins crown from him as best “own goal”.
  In the past National Party leadership changes used to be clean. It sems those days are gone with leaks from Caucus and public displays of animosity between caucus members.
  National need to pull their heads in and quickly if we are to avoid any resemblance of a shellacking in the election.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:59am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes, an embarrassing display.
    
    The Nats are letting the media attack dogs move the narrative to a place where they can very publicly sink their teeth in.
    
    If Muller can’t recognise this, and show some spine in dealing with it then he’s got no show of digging New Zealand of the Ardern-created quagmire.
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:33am
  - oldpark
    
    Not sure what you are getting at . I always vote ACT . My blog was just a perception. Also forgiveable stuff ups.I am much more concerned about the unforgiveable Peters call when he made sure that Sir Bill English and Stephen Joyce a safe pair of hands would not be around to save NZ in a crisis. We now have massive needless unemployment panic cause by Covid-19 Arderns Lockdown .English and Joyce would have prevented that type ofunemployment disaster now visited on NZ .
    That decision by Peters to me sent NZ on a fast track to be the “Socialist Republic of the South Pacific” by selecting Ardern and co. Wonder how Arderns comrade! comrade! 15 times tape would stack up against the Muller innocent piece of memorabilla souvenier .
    Also wonder why the sicko Mainstream Media conveniently overlook the fact that NZs future is in the hands of a commie/socialist known as Ardern . Maybe even you Mr “ex-golfer” should consider being an ACT voter. After the way you have rubbished the Nats .
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:36am
    - Steve Todd
      
      when he made sure that Sir Bill English and Stephen Joyce a safe pair of hands would not be around to save NZ in a crisis.
      
      Ha! Don’t make me laugh.
      
      Only two people, respectively, made sure English and Joyce “would not be around to save NZ”: English and Joyce.
      
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      May 27, 2020 2:20pm
  - oldfella
    
    No, ex-golfer (me, too) not a disaster. Not even close. Rattled, is a better word. And by questions none of them could have foreseen about the racial mix of the front bench which led to them fumbling the ball and getting piled on. By reporters with an agenda. What else did the Nats do wrong that came even close to being a disaster?
    Basically, as with Trump, Muller has to fight not only the left, but the MSM. It’s doable, but the Nats really need some bright and talented social media people lined up for the coming battle. For many reporters, social media is the real world, and they go looking for stuff that will make them look smart and woke in their eyes of their online buddies.
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:45am
Simon

Phil Goof is starting to panic. As he should. Auckland Shitty Council heading for Administration.
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May 27, 2020 8:37am
- Paulus
  
  Goff won’t care -me can resign any time with a huge sinecure anyway.
  He is only on an ego trip.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:05am
I remember when

M&M
I agree with the homophobia comment but is it any different from white on white, white on brown, brown on Asian, brown on white comments. It would be reasonable to expect backing from this source so surely some right to comment.
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May 27, 2020 8:40am
Simon

What is the purpose of the Greens? Genuine question.

The [Deleted – Mod] Ardern has declared climate change the nuclear thingy of the ages or some shit.

The Greens cant compete against Blairties i.e out shit Ardern. What purpose to they have?
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May 27, 2020 8:42am
- Garbageman
  
  The Green Taliban Party is just a final resting place for activists that have figured out they can collect large pay packets while still doing what they do best which usually has sfa to do with environmental issues
  
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  May 27, 2020 10:07am
BobbyS

A suggestion for the new National Party leadership
Do not apologise for having the best team to do the job
Do not apologise for having a group of NZers who can represent every NZer, regardless of colour, race or ethnicity (funnily enough we all sit down to shit)
Do not apologise for other peoples inability to accept a hat is a hat (a knife is a knife and a gun is a gun – they are not symbols of anything only certain people want to view differently)
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May 27, 2020 8:43am
Chris Walden

I hate identity politics with a passion. Never mind the fact that 3 out of the top 4 in National’s new line up are female. Oh no, that’s not good enough for a lot of people.

Give me strength.
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May 27, 2020 8:44am
Michael NZ

Just Listened to John Campbell on TV1 this morning talking drivel about “Rules based order” using it to slag off UK and USA ie Boris and Trump.
What a twat!
China does not and never has followed “The rules based order” as this piece by HR McMaster clearly enunciates.
“China is obsessed with control, internally and externally.”
“China has never played by the rules associated with International Law,Trade or commerce”.

https://outline.com/JyMnhc
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May 27, 2020 8:44am
I remember when

Stop G5 Paranoia.
Bugger I thought they said it was Paranormal!
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May 27, 2020 8:46am
Engelbert Humperdink

Why is homophobia wrong but homophilia right?
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May 27, 2020 8:49am
Maggy Wassilieff

Who knew thousands of film folk were arriving in NZ during our lockdown?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12333398
Twyford didn’t agree the essential worker category had been kept secret, despite it never being announced by himself or the Prime Minister at her near-daily press conferences.
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May 27, 2020 8:50am
- All_on_Red
  
  And yet 80 workers who are needed for work of Transmission Gully are not allowed in.
  So the whole Project is now uncertain.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:57am
  - kevn
    
    @All On… Remind me who is in charge of that project?
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:05am
    - Michael NZ
      
      Yep Twyford.
      
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      May 27, 2020 12:03pm
  - niggly
    
    Stupid COL immigration minister Lees-Galloway, health minister Clark and where the bucks stops with PM Ardern … Transmission Gully is more than a motorway, it’s strategic roading infrastructure that will help with the flow of goods and services and worker commuting, plus as a bonus an alternative route in and out of Wellington in times of natural disasters.
    
    The COL, immigration, health and prime ministers should have a dispatched a chartered Air NZ Boeing to South East Asia and Australia to bring these essential workers and supervisors to NZ and put them into 2 weeks isolation, then get them working.
    
    Rather than the govt take their usual “do nothing” approach and sit and wait until the health “crisis” is over, in when, several months or sometimes next year, before letting them in?
    
    I guess whomever coined the phrase “Coalition of Loosers” has yet again, been proven right!
    
    And talking about the CoL, where the hell is Winston, the so called voice of reason for the COL? He should be demanding this! (Or can he not, put NZ first, because these essential workers are “immigrants”)?
    
    There you go MSM, there’s actually a story here, if they care to look, which is: unnecessary Govt inaction; NZF not putting NZ first (why – because they are “immigrants”)?? Well MSM why don’t you ask and see what the PM and Deputy PM say!
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:21am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed; the completion date has been pushed out to 2021 at the earliest, and the cost is blowing out, more and more, every day.
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:50am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Most secretive govt ever.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:01am
  - sooty
    
    Most corrupt government in NZ history!
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:09am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      I’m not sure they’re competent enough to be corrupt to any extent.
      
      Note the report today about pirate organisation Sea Shepherd suing in the Seppo courts because the current clowns have not implemented measures to protect the Hectors dolphin (Maui dolphin is a fraud), measures ready to be implemented in 2019.
      
      That government fuck-up will almost certainly cost NZ $millions in lost export earnings at a time when every $ is crucial.
      
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      May 27, 2020 1:16pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      All while apparently our leader is supreme world wide.
      
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      May 27, 2020 1:29pm
- cmm
  
  Just hit me with a rock (figuratively, not a call for violence).
  
  We keep hearing that we have air freight issues – leading to shortages of medicines – but, not doubt, our esteemed movie makers freighted in heaps of gear with no problems at all.
  
  We need those movies made. They’re part of the bread and circuses.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:08am
  - sooty
    
    Phail Twitford.
    Was it self isolate or did all the movie people go into camps or hotels, like everybody else?
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:23am
    - cmm
      
      flightradar showed lotsa helicopter activity around prime filming locations.
      
      Could just be a coincidence?
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:59am
      - sooty
        
        You don’t expect the stars to catch a horse!
        
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        May 27, 2020 11:21am
Engelbert Humperdink

Is MAGAphobia right or wrong?
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May 27, 2020 8:51am
- sooty
  
  Only when it makes Ardern go away!
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:11am
BeeJay

Cmon Todd, show some “mongrel”!
They’re trying to wind you up and your responding! Tell them nothing, you don’t have to explain every decision you’ve made, or going to make! Cant say more, my granddaughter is looking over my shoulder while I type and she already knows too many “bad” words!
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May 27, 2020 8:53am
Yvette

All seven Maori special racist seats (originally instituted to allow representation for Maori who owned land collectively, rather than individually – landownership being a criteria for voting, and now of course abandoned, as should be the special seats) are held by Labour.

The most prominent achievement in this current Coalition Government by the Maori caucus group is upholding the largely pakeha education union policy that destroys the partnership schools, so resulting in a claim to the Waitangi Tribunal over what was seen by many as a taonga, or treasure.

That National seems to have no equivalent of this racist group is not really a disadvantage.
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May 27, 2020 8:53am
- Rachael Membery
  
  National should run in the Maori seats, I assume that is an option?
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:26pm
Letterman

Very disappointed in Todd Mullers “brittleback” performance so far.

We call him “Todd the Terrified” in our house – one scrape with the media over a hat, and he scuttles away like a frightened crab.

Aptly supported by “Kaye the Klutz” – wet kowtowing to the “diversity” brigade just made her look foolish and weak.

Hot Tip: Don’t let the media or the minority set the agenda, and don’t be fooled by “stardust” polls.

Simply say “We appoint and hire on excellence, not quota, and diversity is not going to save someones job”.

Thank you.
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May 27, 2020 8:56am
- KevO'Brien
  
  We all can indulge in names–better on the Standard.
  
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  May 27, 2020 10:04am
kevn

@Maggy… Doing ‘a twyford’… Not a secret just didn’t tell.
Oh, ok..
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May 27, 2020 8:56am
SmokerGuy

What a debacle yesterday, it’s quite frustrating being a National supporter (for now) at the moment. All they needed to say was we have decided on the best lineup end of story. Yet it turned into an absolute circus 🙁 And they are obviously still divided, those Bridges supporters need to eat a concrete pill and harden up. It is literally NZ’s future on the line more than any time before. They need to put their egos aside for the good of the country.
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May 27, 2020 9:02am
- Sacha
  
  Muller needs to choose his interviewers more savvily (is that a word?). He wants exposure, but not at any price.
  Both he and Kaye seem to need a quick course in critical assessment.
  
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  May 27, 2020 11:10am
  - SmokerGuy
    
    Disagree, he just needs to answer questions better. The saying explaining is losing comes to mind. Rather than saying they have Bennett at 13, Reti is at 17 blah blah blah just say they chose the best team for this time and that’s it. The same for the maga hate, just say he collects political memorabilia and that’s it. He doesn’t have to pander to these people, by doing so he is creating himself a huge problem as they will niggle and niggle.
    
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    May 27, 2020 11:56am
ex-golfer

Winston is now making his play to start to separate himself from Labour, just in time for the election.
Said on Hosking today that we should be at Level 1 NOW and a trans-Tasman bubble should be opened without delay.
This is in clear contradiction f his chosen one who intimated we will remain at Level 2 for at least three more weeks.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/winston-peters-move-to-alert-level-1-too-slow/

For once I agree with the rat-cunning old bastard – but not with his motives.
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May 27, 2020 9:02am
- niggly
  
  Winston finally catching up with what Simon Bridges and David Seymour have been saying for months (except these two were subject to a MSM and leftie social media pile on, but in Winston’s case no doubt MSM will tread wearily for fear of undoing the CoL too early)!
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:09am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Winston, Bridges and Seymour are all wrong.
    
    NZ needs to return to full freedom, not some made-up “level” enabling the dictatorship to set restrictions at every whim.
    
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    May 27, 2020 1:19pm
- MrTips
  
  The best thing about having the Green Party as a pet is that Winston doesn’t have to pay a vet each time he neuters one of them.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:25am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Ignore the cobblers about bubbles.
  
  Air NZ’s fleet is grounded “until at least the end of the year” and Qantas likewise.
  
  Even if the bubble existed there are no planes flying to get you there
  
  Not what was going to be today’s question but:
  
  When are people going to wake up to the fact that NZ’s isolation IS the new normal for many, many years?
  
  Even when (if) flights do resume prices will be so high that the idea of an affordable overseas holiday will be history – especially if you factor in the financial crippling we’re about to experience.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:39am
  - Tall Man
    
    Jeez Davey you’re a sad sack today.
    
    Latam, China Air, Phillippines Air and so on all offering flights later this year so fuck AirNZ.
    
    Now, “will they let us in” is a different question but I’m feeling lucky 🙂
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:17am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Will they let us in back home! if we don’t have the right social media profile and we haven’t downloaded the app and we are low on visible melanin and we haven’t worshipped at the altar of the Burka Queen?
      
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      May 27, 2020 12:51pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Pfftt, 2 weeks at a luxury hotel in Auckland with free food and activities ….. I’ll grab an upgrade on the room service plus a mini suite 🙂
        
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        May 27, 2020 2:15pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        You really think returning tourists would get that for free? *eyebrows*
        
        Because of our stupid societal rules about treating people equally I and my partner would be locked in a hotel room for 2 weeks at our own expense
        
        Meanwhile we live in a house in 250,000sqm of forest, 200m off the road and 100m and a cliff from our nearest neighbour. We’d even be happy to wear a GPS tracker but as “rich pricks” it would be “unfair” on others to let us do the sensible thing
        
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        May 27, 2020 4:45pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        We can’t rely upon arrivals to isolate themselves effectively. It needs to be enforced/policed. One slip is all it takes.
        
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        May 27, 2020 6:00pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Realist mate. Apart from being annoyed about losing my 3 months overseas this winter I’m not really that sad.
      
      I have foreign passports and the money to go where I want when those flights arrive. It’s annoying that I’ll have to pay first-class prices for business though but nothing will tempt me into economy (at Biz Class prices) for long-haul.
      
      Now ask if your fellow countrymen are in the same position – this is about the new normal. And that’s staying at home for the best part of a decade.
      
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      May 27, 2020 2:28pm
    - Scooter
      
      Latam just filed for bancruptcy protection.
      
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      May 27, 2020 9:45pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Ah of course – he needs a major distraction for the media to get their teeth into……
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12335076
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:55am
cmm

I see Muller was pussified into removing his MAGA hat because it offends Muslims by reminding them of anti-Allahness in the world (although I struggle to see the connection).

Every time I see a hijab I am reminded that Islam wants to kill my gay friends. This is very distressing to me.

Is there some place I can complain to?
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May 27, 2020 9:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Muller needs to grow a pair before the media castrates him altogether.
  Stand up Muller – Trump style. Take no shit
  
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  May 27, 2020 10:00am
  - cmm
    
    Geez, even Key style would be good enough.
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:03am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  I’m not sure if there is a place that you can complain to, but frankly the National rollover on the MAGA hat has just encouraged me to wear one of mine literally every day, except when facing the public at work.
  
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  May 27, 2020 12:53pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  No.
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:13pm
Maggie Pie

Had to have a larf to myself last night.
A caller to Magic Talk said “…if National’s new front bench were to form a Rock Band, it would be a remake of Wet Wet Wet”
LOL!!!
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May 27, 2020 9:05am
- Fletch
  
  I’d prefer a Wet, Wet, Wet to a band whose members are squabbling and infighting all the time and don’t know how to make any music other than remakes of the one hit wonder by The Socialists… ?
  
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  May 27, 2020 10:21am
lastmanstanding

Watercare massive under reaction

Covid-19 massive over reaction
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May 27, 2020 9:05am
alex Masterley

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others…”
Sums up the governments approach.
And I see Twyford is in charge, which explains why the use of the exemption reported will be a complete shambles.
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May 27, 2020 9:06am
Bill

After the election, when all the money has run out, we are in the shit.
Whether it is National running the country, or Labour ruining it.
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May 27, 2020 9:13am
- Tall Man
  
  Wrong.
  
  A decent plan with well supported business incentives will make a difference. Opening the borders will get people back into NZ as “spending tourists”.
  
  Sure, times may be tough but just because you’re standing in shit you don’t have to have a taste 😉
  
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  May 27, 2020 10:04am
I remember when

When does diversity become more important than proportional representation?
The Labour Party parliamentarians are 26 White (56.5%) , 12 Maori (26%), 6 Pacific Is (13%) and Other 2 (4%).
For the general population figures are White 67%, Maori 16.5% and PI 7.4%.
Add the NZF parties 44% Maori and 12.5% Maori for the Greens and the Maori percentage for the CoL is 27%. Incidentally if we take women in the top twenty its National 40% and Labour 30%.
The electorate often makes finding balance difficult and the media’s shark attack on the White National front bench is hardly even handed. Another easy story without the need to analyse and probably made easier by PR help.
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May 27, 2020 9:15am
- burt
  
  Just checking the race based privilege metrics.
  
  We have a Maori political party that has no white quota, we have separate Maori electoral seats and we have Maori quota’s in universities but when a single political party hasn’t got the approved ratio it’s called racist?
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    By a tiny but vocal minority of non event quasi journos.
    
    Laugh at them, laugh at labour’s talent pool, ask if kelvin’s there because he’s a maori or because he matches the rest of the bench and is an idiot.
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:01am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    We have Maori taking over land bu occupation at Ihumatao and the Police doing nothing about it–most racist govt ever.
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:07am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hey Jacinda. Is this what the tyrannical Govt wants?
I think so. Track and trace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DypLCHMQkh0&fbclid=IwAR2u-5Jz1m1uQG6MxN_xFwaesWSngK3YhLby9RBevwuQ1ygMnJjGWdsH1Y8
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May 27, 2020 9:23am
cmm

I have often used the analogy of political rivalry being like competition between two movies.

At the moment we’re watching a Bridget Jones chick-flick which She plays very well. Thirty-something woman, no real life achievements, bumbling along day to day, but somehow this quirkiness is somehow endearing. Those little slip ups and errors are easy for many people to relate to. Somehow the package works for the target audience.

Bridget Jones was good enough to have a successful sequel, but the third was a disaster.

Bridges never really made a clear movie plot. Angry teenager, “look I’ve also got a baby”. Too many genres. Ended up being like one of those recent woke movies that takes super heroes and replaces the key characters with black lesbians. Nobody can figure out what the movie is trying to say and nobody watches.

Now what’s Todd Muller’s movie? Does he even know?

At first I thought we’d see another “captain of the quarterdeck” like Key. A strong leader that you’d trust to get you through the storm.

But the first sign of confrontation (the MAGA hat) and he’s cowering. That does not build confidence in the crew.

He only has a very brief time to figure it out and present a clear picture to the punters otherwise nobody is going to buy tickets.
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May 27, 2020 9:24am
- brett68
  
  I would have thought Todd had a plan or script worked out before he decided to take over.
  
  Obviously not.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:33am
  - Tall Man
    
    Day 3 brett. It’s a 120 day fight.
    
    I’ve dropped many a dick who thought round one was the whole fight.
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:59am
    - brett68
      
      Standing there with your guard down getting smacked in the face is not the best way to fight.
      
      A couple of decent blows and you’re out.
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:28am
      - Tall Man
        
        Yep, he took a couple of crackers for sure but … It’s day three. Let’s give the man a chance.
        
        By the way, I still think Simon could have won in September but at this stage Todd will get my support and if he proves to be a fighter then he’ll get my money as well.
        
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        May 27, 2020 11:10am
- Tall Man
  
  “Now what’s Todd Muller’s movie? Does he even know?”
  
  I’d say Rocky but he lost in the end.
  
  Has a crack, gets knocked around but then puts in the hard yards and learns from his mistakes.
  
  I look at reactions. Many on here are offended because the diversity/race issue has been floated by the media. Who out there gives a shit?
  
  Will a maori National voter, yes there are many, vote for ardern now because Simon Bridges got dumped by a white guy? The media is just playing the same card as mikey does. Pick an irrelevant point and divert the narrative.
  
  MAGA hat, gone. Win for the media? Not in my mind, we all all conform in some way.
  
  White front bench, changed? Nope and now wait for the comeback after pointing that “merit” wins in National rather than quotas in labour.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:57am
  - lifesgood
    
    I am very disappointed on the National voters who are downing Muller. Give the man a chance, why don’t you? You know bloody well the prostituted media will never give him an inch. I supported Bridges but like Muller and will back him all the way. Do you really want Jacinda and her band of half wits in charge again? If things don’t go exactly the way some people want it, it seems to me they throw a tanty. As a matter of interest Jordan Petersen, the famous conservative right psychologist collects soviet memorabilia and art. In fact his home is full of it. He is in no way left leaning or communist. The left loathe him.
    
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    May 27, 2020 11:39am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      LG: I appreciate your thoughtful comment, but from my perspective, you never get a second chance to make a first impression. Whenever I’ve started a new job I made it my absolute business to be exemplifying the fact that they hired the right guy as best I could, even though, I had zero experience in that particular position and was climbing a steep learning curve. I was somewhat hopeful of Muller but caving in on the hat and the race questions was simply spineless.
      
      I’ve been reading my Alinsky the last few years and I would advise him to do the same (not that he needs to listen to me because I’m not a party leader 🙂 )
      
      These are the specific Alinsky Rules (suitably chosen for my lowly station in life and reduced in number from the original 13 because I have a short attention span) that I am trying to practice in recent years and I recommend them unto him.
      
      “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”
      “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
      “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
      “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
      “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
      
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      May 27, 2020 12:58pm
  - kowtow
    
    TM
    
    The whole point of Mullers’ coup was the so called soft centre. So yes they are the voters who are easily swayed , who have no basic convictions. The same ones who flowed back to Labour when boring , uninspired Little was rolled . They switched on the basis of a face or a gender , not policy. How fucking scary is that ?
    
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    May 27, 2020 11:42am
    - Tall Man
      
      “How fucking scary is that ?”
      
      I think my “supermarket survey” comment yesterday sums it up.
      
      When told his kids will pay for this for years to come he says “good”.
      
      Personifies the ardern supporter perfectly in my mind, and possibly some inhabitants of Palmerston North …. An idiot.
      
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      May 27, 2020 12:38pm
    - Steve Todd
      
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      May 27, 2020 3:43pm
  - kowtow
    
    lifesgood
    
    And has Peterson binned the memorabilia due to the criticism ?
    
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    May 27, 2020 11:44am
Maggie Pie

As my partner just said, “Todd is going to have to exhibit a lot more mongrel if he hopes to succeed as National’s great white hope. At the moment, he’s looking more like a pussy in the headlights”.
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May 27, 2020 9:28am
- Tall Man
  
  Or headlamp?
  
  https://www.switchbacktravel.com/sites/default/files/images/articles/Headlamps%20Round-up.jpg
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:49am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Been there, done that 😛
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:31am
    - stigie
      
      I’ve never seen a pussy in the headlights..?
      
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      May 27, 2020 10:42am
      - Tall Man
        
        Here ya go!
        
        https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0b/ab/47/0bab47cb18a92c2d2e6b91ca10b7c022.jpg
        
        Ain’t KB great?
        
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        May 27, 2020 11:12am
      - sooty
        
        You don’t know what your missing!
        
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        May 27, 2020 11:14am
      - stigie
        
        Maybe im not diverse enough sooty..? //
        
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        May 27, 2020 12:09pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Dashboard light a la Meatloaf?
        
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        May 27, 2020 1:02pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Camp” ing or camping 😉
      
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      May 27, 2020 2:19pm
WaveyDavey

Don’t expect any of yer actual criticism of the government’s handling of the pandemic in NZ media. But at least somewhere in the world isn’t drinking the kool-aid:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/coronavirus-flightless-kiwi-economy-will-land-with-a-painful-thud/news-story/416bdec73c4edb9a616a8c9e2f169031
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May 27, 2020 9:34am
- gorse
  
  Like to read it but it is behind a paywall
  
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  May 27, 2020 7:53pm
kloyd0306

Muller blew it.
A promising start was crashed by his capitulation over the MAGA hat. No balls.
….and his deputy should pay attention to how Judith handled the limp-wristed, gotcha, lefty press.
I despair!
Nats are looking everywhere for a spine but they confuse it for linguini.
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May 27, 2020 9:50am
- kowtow
  
  As they say in Texas ” All hat and no cattle”
  
  You can’t come charging down the hill , a “white” knight in shining armour , all charged up to bump off the regent and not have all the answers at your finger tips .
  
  I don’t like this COL anymore than the other 29% out there , but I’m now genuinely and literally afraid that Jax and Co will be back with an absolute majority and we’re facing economic ruin and a very heavy dose of extreme “progressive” legislation .
  
  All she has to do is sit back and allow this new lot to keep making embarssing mistakes.
  
  ‘Never interupt your enemy while he’s making a mistake ‘ Napoleon I
  
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  May 27, 2020 11:36am
secondcumming

*RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION*

Is *Christopher Luxon* going to be any different?

Asking for a friend.
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May 27, 2020 9:50am
- Michael NZ
  
  .
  
  and Remember when he was at Air New Zealand he screwed over the regions and cost them money, whilst trading on the National carrier for protection.
  Whilst he and his mates at the top make good bonuses.
  
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  May 27, 2020 12:10pm
- Tall Man
  
  Unlikely, “coed toilets” at AirNZ.
  
  Real progressive thinking.
  
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  May 27, 2020 12:40pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  When Luxon is elected I imagine that he and Muller will definitely have the business smarts between them.
  
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  May 27, 2020 12:58pm
Fletch

As the old saying goes, you know you’re over the target when you’re taking flak. It’s only been five days since Muller was made leader of the National party and already the media seem like they’re in full blown attack mode. Yesterday, one of the lead stories on 1 News was about the lack of “diversity” in National’s cabinet lineup. Today we have John Campbell attacking Muller on the morning show for his “lack of detail” in a recovery plan, with Muller countering (rightly), “I’ve only been in the job five days!”

Not to mention that Labour have been making it up as they go along for 3 years.

Then on Three we have Mark Richardson saying he is “pissed off” by the way Muller has handled controversies like the MAGA hat. I am more pissed off at the media for making something out of nothing at all.

The libs are running scared…
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May 27, 2020 10:09am
- Fletch
  
  ps, Richardson also said that Muller ‘failed every time he’s stood in front of the media’. LOL.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2020/05/mark-richardson-slams-the-national-party-says-todd-muller-has-failed-every-time-he-s-stood-in-front-of-the-media.html
  
  No wonder nobody trusts the media. Especially one that has been bought and paid for by the govt to the tune of $50 million.
  
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  May 27, 2020 10:16am
  - Batman
    
    Note the category tag in the link, “entertainment”. Treat these breakfast TV hot-takes articles as such.
    
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    May 27, 2020 10:18am
- BeaB
  
  I agree. I think he has made a good start and is sensibly removing things like the hat so they stop being a focus. But there’ll be more. He can’t do much about being tall, bald and white and his foes will attack him over every little detail.
  Simon and Paula weren’t Maori en0ugh even though they were the first pair of Maori ever to lead a maj0r party.
  The media pick up every bone to give it a chew and most people turn off.
  This morning we were treated to M0rgan Godfrey (?) opining about the National fr0nt bench with never a mention of his political affiliations and leanings.
  But then everyone Left is good, anyone else bad.
  
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  May 27, 2020 11:04am
  - lifesgood
    
    I listened to Peter Williams for the very first time this morning and I won’t again. He was bad mouthing Todd Muller and sounded like he’s sold his soul to the left.
    
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    May 27, 2020 11:32am
    - Ruawai
      
      I think he is a NZF fanboy.
      
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      May 27, 2020 1:02pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Don’t think so.
        
        I think he is just a little frustrated with the person leading the demise of Simon Bridges failing to “front” the media as he probably should have.
        
        Hopefully Todd can “up” his game.
        
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        May 27, 2020 2:18pm
- Tall Man
  
  Told ya so.
  
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  May 27, 2020 12:41pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Slight diversion, one of my grandads was in Bomber Command and once said the flak he was most scared of was that misnamed ‘friendly fire’…
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:02pm
- RichardX
  
  Is there a more pathetic response to criticism than “you know you’re over the target when you’re taking flak”?
  
  I have seen variations of it used by; flat earthers, anti-vaxers, and young earth creationists. I’m pretty sure even Penny Bright used a version of it back in the day.
  
  Do you also believe the Prime Minister is “over the target” based on the amount of criticism she receives?
  
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  May 27, 2020 4:10pm
oldfella

Something different: YouTube has finally taken down/banned Michael Moore’s, ‘Planet of the Humans’, the latest video by a darling of the left, who suddenly turned into a darling of the right by slamming the myth of green/renewable energy like wind and solar. (I hope Todd Muller has already seen it.)
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/05/26/delingpole-finally-youtube-cancels-michael-moore-produced-documentary/
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May 27, 2020 10:10am
- Fletch
  
  There was a copy on a different YouTube channel that has also been taken down now. It’s still up tho on various places like Vimeo.
  
  Luckily, I downloaded it at the time, because I wondered how long it would stay up.
  
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  May 27, 2020 10:26am
  - Jules99
    
    Vimeo often follows YT a while later. Bitchute seems to be beyond the reach of the censors.
    
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    May 27, 2020 4:39pm
brett68

Judith Collins needs to be a Nationals media coach.
Get her to write the responses, get her on board to discuss and strategize any media interviews from here on in.

Bridges, Muller, Kaye don’t have the skills required to handle partisan media, the only one in national who does is Collins, use her skills.

This should be her number one job leading up to the election.
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May 27, 2020 10:14am
- kevn
  
  @brett68… Collins has a quick wit to be sure.
  
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  May 27, 2020 11:52am
- Tall Man
  
  Maybe she’s “happy not to help”…….
  
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  May 27, 2020 12:42pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Better person would be Mark Richardson.
  
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  May 27, 2020 12:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The CoL has ~~reneged on~~ repurposed money that was going for a large visitor centre/interpretation facility on Kaiti (Titirangi) hill.

http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/frontpage-featured/20200526/pgf-7-5m-pulled-on-projects/

Can’t say I’m too sad over this news.
We rather enjoyed the lack of cars on the hill during Lockdown 4.
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May 27, 2020 10:21am
Prince

More job losses this morning – taxi drivers and Sky Sport. Yawn.
Just more sacrifices on the Ardern/Bloomfield altar, as they remake our country.
Meanwhile the media stakes out the Opposition for more ‘gotchas’ about a hat, and having one less Maori on the front bench than Labour. The big issues.
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May 27, 2020 10:28am
- donny
  
  Gravity trampoline just went into liquidation. Iv’e been promising my daughter I will take her there in a few weeks. Sigh…..
  
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  May 27, 2020 10:44am
- Jules99
  
  Just chatting to a nurse who has just lost her job – not sure of the details, but concerning.
  
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  May 27, 2020 4:37pm
Fletch

I see the idea of dipping into the Super fund has been floated…
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May 27, 2020 10:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Robertson has been after that for nearly 3 years
  
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  May 27, 2020 11:20am
Maggie Pie

Maybe a little off topic –
but has anyone else found Edmonds Flour bags are really shits of things to open? 🙁
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May 27, 2020 11:01am
- Rachael Membery
  
  You have flour?
  
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  May 27, 2020 12:48pm
Tony Stuart

Up to a couple of weeks ago, MSD was saying around 1000 people a day were applying for Jobseeker benefits (aka the dole). I suspect that number is now closer to 2000 per day, or 10,000 per week.

I see the TAB has let more than 200 people go, including their frontman Mark Stafford, who has been with them for 20 years but is now considered surplus to requirements. Sadly, no one is immune to the virus of redundancies and unemployment.
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May 27, 2020 11:03am
oldfella

An interesting angle to Winny’s attempt to give himself some clearance from the CoL, as well as divert the media.
1: His call comes on the same day new revelations emerge about the NZF Foundation.
2: Winny talking about what the PM said in Cabinet. I may be wrong, but I thought was an absolute ‘no-no’.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12335076
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May 27, 2020 11:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

The main story of the day should be about the financial shenanigans of NZF and the involvement of our Deputy Prime-Minister.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/417617/nzf-foundation-spent-130k-on-company-run-by-winston-peters-lawyer

But somehow corruption in our CoL is off the radar for most of our MSM journalists.
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May 27, 2020 11:12am
- Tall Man
  
  Coz Todd’s a racist. Much more likely to garner hugz and likes from ardern.
  
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  May 27, 2020 11:19am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  You’ve gotta give them credit for being honest whores, they deliver value for the service paid for.
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:03pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Thanks Maggy. There is little worse than a rats nest of lawyers milking clients and their associates.
  I have seen this close up.
  
  A third party owning the NZF member database and leasing it to the Party-that’s real ingenious.
  Law works best in the presence of ethics.
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:23pm
JibberJabber

https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1265423216383836163

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-philadelphia-judge-elections-convicted-conspiring-violate-civil-rights-and-bribery

A former Judge of Elections has been convicted for his role in accepting bribes to cast fraudulent ballots and certifying false voting results during the 2014, 2015, and 2016 primary elections in Philadelphia.
“Demuro fraudulently stuffed the ballot box by literally standing in a voting booth and voting over and over, as fast as he could, while he thought the coast was clear.
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May 27, 2020 11:32am
Komata

A question for the lawyers amongst us:

If (for whatever reasons), you decline / refuse to give contact phone number/s on one of the now near-mandatory ‘Check-in / Tracking sheets’ , can you be legally ‘refused service / entry’ into the premises?

The media don’t seem inclined to address the question.

Thank you.
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May 27, 2020 11:33am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  I declined politely to give a contact phone and address when I went looking for some spare appliance parts at lunchtime yesterday; they told me if I didn’t they couldn’t serve me; I politely replied no problem and left. Below anything Chinese manufactured, they are now number two on my blacklist*. I see a few more in the future.
  
  * that’s probably racist to some wokies but DILLIGAF.
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:05pm
  - Random T Person
    
    Just provide a fake name and number like I did when I went to use an ATM at the local branch in Whakatane.
    
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    May 27, 2020 1:21pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You could turn that around, Komata: is there a legal obligation for a business owner to accept your custom?
  
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  May 27, 2020 4:19pm
oldfella

Apparently, on Leighton Smith’s podcast of 6th of May he interviewed Roger Douglas who said that this government was the worst government NZ has ever had. Interesting statement from a former Labour minister…
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May 27, 2020 11:49am
- sooty
  
  Most corrupt government as well.
  
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  May 27, 2020 2:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jobs and housing on Today’s QT.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-27-may-2020/
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May 27, 2020 11:52am
- Maggie Pie
  
  This may sound like a silly question, but would
  ANAHILA KANANGATA’A – SUISUISUIKI’s
  business card, fit in her wallet?
  
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  May 27, 2020 12:14pm
  - Tall Man
    
    She doesn’t need it to Maggie, she’s stored everything in your wallet where her fingers are permanently lodged.
    
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    May 27, 2020 12:44pm
- mandk
  
  There are a couple of questions there that seem to shine a light on progress (or lack of it) with ‘shovel ready’ projects.
  
  Grant Roberston sounded like he was back-pedalling on the notion of shovel-ready when he was on Mike Hosking’s show yesterday.
  
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  May 27, 2020 12:42pm
- Tall Man
  
  Patsy shit again I fear.
  
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  May 27, 2020 12:45pm
secondcumming

RB Govenor *Adrian Orr* reported as saying : “Unemployment could rise to 18% and house prices could halve. This would call into question the financial stability of our banking system”
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May 27, 2020 12:04pm
- doublehappy
  
  In my opinion this guy is dangerous and not the right man for the job. Bring back Don.
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:04pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  If we went into another lockdown.
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:14pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Not such a big if ……
    
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    May 27, 2020 2:11pm
- cmm
  
  Could, could, could….
  
  Yeah I guess we could be hit by an asteroid tomorrow too!
  
  I know facts and data are boring and feelings are what matters, but what has he got to substantiate the idea of house prices halving?
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:29pm
  - sooty
    
    Feelz! Cindy and Robba told him.
    
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    May 27, 2020 2:45pm
- JamesP
  
  With the quantity of new money being created there is little chance of anything reducing in price, let alone halving.
  
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  May 27, 2020 2:14pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    It is most likely there will just be a reduction in new builds. The removal of LVRs will put a huge number of people that still have jobs onto the house market as well. I’m not sure what percentage of the workers in the tourism industry were home owners so I’m not sure what kind of increase in the supply of housing we can expect from forced sellers.
    
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    May 27, 2020 3:39pm
Steve James

So in a survey of 6,200 doctors treating Coronavirus patients the number one drug most prescribed/used out of the fifteen drugs available is Hydroxichloroquine. No 1 of 15 and yet the main street media call it “snake oil” just because President Trump talked of it. The msm all over the world are dangerous disgusting arseholes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIl00oOfz6A
Less than a minute in.
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May 27, 2020 12:16pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  I really don’t understand the hate for chloroquine other than as a byproduct of Advanced Fulminating TDS. Over my lifetime I’ve taken it for a total of some years for malaria prophylaxis, and I have remained entirely physically and mentally normal 🙂
  
  (…okay, stop the sniggering in the cheap seats).
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:07pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s good that this medicine has helped you, but that doesn’t mean it is safe or effective for other conditions.
    
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    May 27, 2020 4:17pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If Jacinda was taking it you would flip like a dolphin stranded on a beach
      
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      May 27, 2020 4:59pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Interesting then that the Lancet has reported no positive effects from HCQ in treatment of Covid-19, and that the WHO has just stopped a trial over safety concerns.
  
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  May 27, 2020 4:15pm
  - Jules99
    
    That paper (not a study) has been debunked.
    
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    May 27, 2020 4:34pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Link please.
      
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      May 27, 2020 5:24pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    WHO has stopped trial because they are corrupt and in China’s pocket. That Tedros prick is sucking China’s dick.
    TDS
    
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    May 27, 2020 5:04pm
- Jules99
  
  Someone told me today that Hydroxichloroquine had been debunked. ?
  
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  May 27, 2020 4:33pm
I remember when

“We have this one shot to eradicate Micro Bovis.” Cinders and O’Connor with modelling by Shaun Hendry.
Never mind we will just have to hope lightening doesn’t strike the same place three times!
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May 27, 2020 12:43pm
I remember when

I seem to recall Cinders, when asked in Parliament to name any roadworks Labour had started during their term in office said, “The New Manawatu-Hawkes Bay Gorge Highway”.
Since then an article appeared in the Manawatu Standard stating that consents hadn’t yet been issued.
Does a couple of dignitaries and a Cabinet Minister ceremonially fooling around with a shovel count as “starting” a project of this size.
Or was she just “Going Hard and Going Early”.
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May 27, 2020 12:56pm
- Nickc2
  
  IMHO, Cindy couldn’t make a concrete statue hard. Not sure on the coming early bit.
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fooling around with a shovel is just shit shifting. Put it where the media can’t see it
  
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  May 27, 2020 5:06pm
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/05/new-zealand-father-charged-with-murder-after-4yo-daughter-allegedly-left-to-die.html

So, in the media he’s a Kiwi, when he gets deported he’ll be labelled as a Kiwi and sent here but ardern wants Aussie to keep him, feed him and fund him forever.

I mean I don’t want him but then who the fuck would.
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May 27, 2020 12:57pm
I remember when

“This would call into question the financial stability of our banking system.
A quick look at the share price for the ANZ and Westpac Groups would suggest investor think it is possible.
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May 27, 2020 1:01pm
- secondcumming
  
  The RB have also issued a timely warning in relation to “non-bank” deposit takers.
  
  Ignore it at your peril 😎
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:29pm
Garbageman

Dunedin council filled with climate cultists also Dunedin council
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/innovation/121636244/this-is-a-delay-not-a-death-knell-dunedin-mayor-on-waterfront-project
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May 27, 2020 1:07pm
Engelbert Humperdink

I don’t want to eradicate Ardern, I just want her eliminated to the new epidemiological standard i.e. so she is not tolerated anywhere and can’t transmit to the community.
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May 27, 2020 1:08pm
- sharont
  
  I think you mean “can’t transmit to the” communidy …
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:21pm
- cmm
  
  Is the immunisation ready yet? I’ll happily volunteer for human trials.
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:24pm
- Mark
  
  Hey there Engledink humperbird ,I have been away for a bit ,no internet ,but I am back to smite all and sundry RWNJ s with gay abandon.No doubt you will be thrilled thru to your frilly panties .Your new fellow Toad Dickhead is a dud .I have just cheerfully taken $50 oo off of Peter Williams on Radio Live ,he will be donating the amount to the SPCA at my behest.The poor sap bet Soiman would take the Gnats to the election as leader.Now I have adeal for you , $50 says that Vinegar Tits Collins will lead the Gnats into the election ,and they will get smoked worse than 2002.Ooooh happy days .Put yer money where yer mouth is putz ,or take yer bat and ball and slink off home .
  
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  May 27, 2020 4:40pm
chaos

This is disgusting and should be illegal. You get your op on the points base on who is more urgently, not based on skin colour

* Māori and Pacifica waiting for elective surgery have been placed at the top of wait lists in the Wellington region.

Speaking at a Capital and Coast District Health Board meeting today, medical officer John Tait said the Ministry of Health bands people accepted for specialist treatment in a priority ranking.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/121640802/mori-and-pacifica-given-priority-in-elective-surgery-waitlists
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May 27, 2020 1:11pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Its going to happen in Auckland as well.
  
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  May 27, 2020 2:05pm
  - sooty
    
    Everywhere there are people that are more special than others!
    
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    May 27, 2020 2:41pm
- chaos
  
  I would say this against the code of rights
  
  * When you use a health or disability service in New Zealand, you have the protection of a Code of Rights. The Code of Health and Disability Services Consumers’ Rights provides the following 10 rights:
  
  Right 2
  The right to freedom from discrimination, coercion, harassment, and exploitation.*
  
  https://www.hdc.org.nz/your-rights/about-the-code/code-of-health-and-disability-services-consumers-rights/
  
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  May 27, 2020 2:11pm
- kowtow
  
  There’ll be plenty more of that , because 56%.
  
  or could one say , the health system’s been saved so that certain people can get treatment over others .
  
  We’re all in this together , until we’re not .Team 5 million , yeah right.
  
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  May 27, 2020 2:14pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Tel me again why we need more Maori representation in parliament?
  
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  May 27, 2020 2:44pm
Maggie Pie

Here we go again!
Every day for the last month, we’ve heard that guy from Watercare, who’s on a salary of over $700 grand a year, telling us how empty the dams are.
As my partners sez, “Why doesn’t he get off his arse and do something about it?”
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May 27, 2020 1:14pm
- cmm
  
  All they have to do is reach over and flip one switch and the pumps will send water from the Waikato River.
  
  Unfortunately there’s a huge fat taniwha that sits in the pipe and only comes out when it smells gold. Alternatively the taniwha would disappear forever if it was just told to piss off.
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:23pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yep they can supply 100L/day per person from the Waikato using about 1% of Waikato flow. That’s about 30% of Auckland’s usage if they just turn the pumps on. The problem is useless politicians, not drought.
    
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    May 27, 2020 1:36pm
    - Swifty
      
      I understand it’s treatment capacity which is the bottleneck UN.
      
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      May 27, 2020 8:15pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner and his dad built a Lockwood on the banks of the Waikato that they fully converted to a luxury Maimai.
    Know what you mean about “….a huge fat taniwha sitting in the pipe.” I saw one in there once. LOL!!!!
    
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    May 27, 2020 1:43pm
  - JamesP
    
    There also seems to be some weird hostage situation going on where it’s acceptable to withhold consent for Watercare to take more water because they haven’t yet built the treatment capacity for the water they are not allowed to take.
    
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    May 27, 2020 1:58pm
  - david
    
    The only problem is that a squillion dollars worth of water treatment capacity has not been commissioned, funded or built so they would have to send the 200Gigalitres “down the drain”
    
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    May 27, 2020 2:22pm
- Tall Man
  
  Big salary, not necessarily a big bladder.
  
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  May 27, 2020 4:06pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😀
    
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    May 27, 2020 6:42pm
cmm

I see a huge wobble developing because workers are asked to speak English.

It is discourteous to speak in a language that others do not understand and is especially important in a workplace to ensure everyone gets all the information they need.

It is surely fine to make understanding English, and speaking English, a requirement for employment even if just from a health & safety perspective.

How are people supposed to convey that there is a dangerous spill, hot water or a customer has a nut allergy if they don’t have, and use, a common language? Charades just does not cut it.

These things do not happen in a vacuum. Likely something happened to precipitate this like two non-Englsih speakers were making, or seemed to be making, snide remarks about a co-worker or customer in non-English and this caused problems.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300021729/auckland-cafe-sign-telling-staff-to-speak-english-may-breach-workers-rights
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May 27, 2020 1:19pm
- JamesP
  
  “TK Martin” is also obsessed with the MAGA hat and Simon Bridges. His Twitter feed is quite revealing. If the claim that he put on 12kg during lockdown is true then he could stand a break from frequenting flash cafes
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:51pm
- Garbageman
  
  They will be scouring the owners internet activities & searching high & low for any signs of a MAGA hat before delivering their coup de grâce and moving on to their next race baiting article, i would put a lazy hundy on the owners being Asian though some of those owners are fearless and not overtly subtle when it comes to dishing out orders
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:53pm
- chaos
  
  It is interesting how stuff and newshub are cherry picking their quotes from here
  
  https://www.hrc.co.nz/enquiries-and-complaints/faqs/english-language-only-workplace/
  
  Perhaps they could add
  
  * However, English is the most widely used language in New Zealand and people have very different responses to the use of languages other than English in the workplace. It would be hard for an employer to justify a total “English only” policy when the reason for that was to create “workplace harmony” or because it was part of “company culture”. But the policy could be appropriate if an employer has a valid reason for it – health and safety reasons would be the most likely. However, employees should have the freedom to speak other languages during breaks, or before or after work.*
  
  Or
  
  * It is not easy to provide a definitive response to what amounts to unlawful discrimination in relation to the use of language in the workplace. Each workplace policy needs to be considered on a case- by-case basis, taking into account the nature of the work, the employee’s role in the workplace, the diversity of the workplace, the level of necessary workplace communication, as well as issues around inclusion and workplace cohesion.*
  
  https://www.hrc.co.nz/files/5314/2371/0767/26-Nov-2008_19-38-27_English_Only_in_the_Workplace_1_.pdf
  
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  May 27, 2020 1:55pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I think TK Martin is an offense seeking cockwomble who sees racism under every bush or as the case may be on every shelf.
  
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  May 27, 2020 4:11pm
Bill

Airline pilots have to speak English.
It’s clearer than shouting 勞動節勞動節.
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May 27, 2020 2:07pm
- Tall Man
  
  Come on Bill, everyone knows the dunny’s down the back of the plane.
  
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  May 27, 2020 3:31pm
Benedict Yu

I heard Justin Lester on the radio today saying that Wellington employers who still have staff working at home to direct them to return to their CBD offices because all the cafes would otherwise go broke.

What the hell? A typical socialist who thinks he can tell people how to run their affairs to support some vision he has about how society should look.
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May 27, 2020 2:42pm
- chaos
  
  So you’d rather they stay home and businesses fail? Because also on the radio was a lady saying that all govt departments have been advised to keep their staff working from home until September or October, so yes a lot of businesses that serve those employees will go bust.
  
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  May 27, 2020 3:09pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    I think he’s saying that individual businesses should do what they believe is best for them and their employees and that politicians should stay out of it.
    Govt departments are a separate issue and the Government needs to be transparent about why they are being told to stay home.
    
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    May 27, 2020 3:35pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I didn’t know that there was any general directive to keep staff home until September. I think things will get back to normal over the next month.
    Lots of people would prefer to work from home, though, so this experience will be a catalyst for some quite significant shifts in work patterns.
    So yes, some businesses will suffer if there is a permanent reduction of people working in the CBD. Other businesses will benefit.
    
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    May 27, 2020 4:05pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes agree totally. Things will get back to “normal” over the net 2-3 months. But there will be more working at home and hopefully “offices” will become better spaces.
      
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      May 27, 2020 4:31pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You miss the point. It will never be the same again. This experience has demonstrated that the “full time office” model was broken. Too many offices are vile, noisy, crowded places that are awful for productivity. Offices need to be reinvented to support collaboration, not places that cram people in like chickens.
    
    I am planning my office space requirements using a 60/40 rule. Staff will be working at home 60 percent of the time. Permanently.
    
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    May 27, 2020 4:27pm
    - chaos
      
      No you miss the point every damn person should be demanding staff return to the cbd and help save what can be. I don’t care what side of the political spectrum it comes from. If your office is vile, noisy and over crowded that is because of the idiot that runs it
      
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      May 27, 2020 5:05pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        FFS. That is NEVER happening. The way that professionals work has changed permanently. I am never going back to an office full time. I will save tens of thousands in rent and my staff will be happier and more productive.
        
        You sound like the horse owners in 1904 who demanded a tax on cars.
        
        The new way of working will reduce congestion and give people back their lives. My office rental cost will fall by 60 percent. As will my domestic travel budget.
        
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        May 27, 2020 5:25pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Try to imagine what actual employers might do. Possibly they would prioritise the welfare of their staff, not force anyone back to work prematurely, gradually reopen their offices and, perhaps, allow many staff to work at home indefinitely.
        I don’t see that any employers need to prioritise the desires of CBD cafes ahead of their own interests in running their own businesses.
        
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        May 27, 2020 5:29pm
ex-golfer

Whoever is advising Muller needs to be cut, quickly.
With an opportunity handed to him on a plate today I was expecting the first Oral question in the House today to be:

“To the Prime Minister, does she agree with the Deputy PM that New Zealand should now be in lockdown level 1 , if not why not?”

But alas…..not asked, not even referenced.
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May 27, 2020 3:18pm
- Mark
  
  I think his advisor is Mathew Hooten.I understand he does not come cheap,unlike most of the Gnats who have been bought by the Chinese Communist party for two fifths off fuck all.Read the book by Ashby about the buyout of Oz and NZ by mostly treasonous right wing fuckwits.Not to say Goff and Bob Hawke ,heroes of mine ,do need a fn good kicking as well.The difference between true patriots like me and you fuckwit clowncars is not selling out strategic assets ..Jeez cry my beloved country.
  
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  May 27, 2020 5:00pm
chaos

* Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is “pushing the NZ economy off a cliff”, according to an Australian pundit, who says the Government’s “draconian response” to combating the coronavirus “was questionable”.

Adam Creighton, Economics Editor of conservative newspaper The Australian, wrote in a commentary piece that New Zealanders “may come to question” Ardern’s wisdom “as they fall further down the global pecking order”. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/05/australian-pundit-questions-jacinda-ardern-s-draconian-response-to-covid-19-accuses-her-of-pushing-the-nz-economy-off-a-cliff.html
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May 27, 2020 3:25pm
MCos

‘Trampers Found Alive’
Headline of the day, and any day!

https://twitter.com/nzstuff/status/1265467290918596608?s=21
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May 27, 2020 3:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Economics Editor of “The Australian” reckons NZers are being pushed over a cliff.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/05/australian-pundit-questions-jacinda-ardern-s-draconian-response-to-covid-19-accuses-her-of-pushing-the-nz-economy-off-a-cliff.html
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May 27, 2020 3:50pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Nah, all those Aussies are just jealous of how much better we are than them aye – and anyway, we’ve got Jacinda and they haven’t. So there!
  
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  May 27, 2020 3:59pm
- Tall Man
  
  But look at the video Maggy. Feely crap from Wellingtonians who probably think a cycle lane is a good idea.
  
  Why is it even considered a reasonable response to an economist’s assessment.
  
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  May 27, 2020 4:10pm
- Tall Man
  
  Is steffy girl still allowed “tick” rights?
  
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  May 27, 2020 4:11pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is interesting reading the AFR today. Lots of positive signs in Australia. ASX and $AUD surging on the back of more optimistic economic forecasts. 6 months from now it will be impossible to ignore the immense costs of the New Zealand Government response.
  
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  May 27, 2020 4:30pm
greybeard

I know that this is not important, but what the hell does Mark Richardson do to his face to get that colour ?
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May 27, 2020 5:01pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hydroxychloroquine?
  
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  May 27, 2020 6:16pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  https://i.imgflip.com/42yx9v.jpg
  
  😀 😀 😀
  
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  May 27, 2020 7:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If all of our masks were red, and had ‘Make America Great Again’ on them, how long would it take the media to declare that we no longer need them?
Come in with your opinion Mike
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May 27, 2020 5:18pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  If all pineapples were blue, would the sky turn red?
  
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  May 27, 2020 5:24pm
- Inandout
  
  Here are some good ones.
  https://www.etsy.com/market/trump_mask
  
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  May 27, 2020 5:42pm
MCos

Bit of a laugh
https://youtu.be/zdlwokkS4DA
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May 27, 2020 5:20pm
rangitoto

More on the Wuhan lab flu virus:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8356751/How-COVID-19s-unique-structure-means-man-made.html

“No known animal host and ‘almost perfect’ human adaption: Top Australian vaccine scientist reveals how COVID-19’s unique structure means it’s either man-made – or a ‘complete fluke’ of nature”
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May 27, 2020 6:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

3 weeks left for WHO to President Trump’s no funding letter.
So the WHO suspends testing of HCQ.
Someone will win this game of 3D chess, or show poker.
Online TAB anyone????
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May 27, 2020 6:32pm
- rangitoto
  
  Most doctors are ignoring WHO and prescribing it with Zinc.
  
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  May 27, 2020 6:37pm
Mark

Am I the only habitue on this blessed site to see a distinct likeness between Chris Bishop and Herman Munster.No shit ,it could be Uncle Fester .Hmmm I will get back to you dweebs .
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May 27, 2020 6:37pm
Mark

Steve Otto ,Short Arse ,Tony Stuart ,you guys can hardly manage a brain cell between you ,give it up go home ,you have well outlived your usefulness.
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May 27, 2020 6:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oh look, another leftie.
  Been at home for 8 weeks Marky. And I work because I want to, not need to. Call in at work when They want me to do stuff. (68 years ols, and 47 years at the same job)
  ( outlived your usefulness?)
  Go fuck yourself sonny, I love the metal industry and will run rings around you any day, like I do with guys half my age
  
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  May 27, 2020 6:57pm
  - Mark
    
    oi plonker Otto coming up 67 myself , 3 heart attcks 2 strokes triple by pass ,stent and pneumonia ,however flailing dopey RWNJs is a passion of mine.It keeps me young hence my enthusiasm and deft skill.Not to mentiion modesty.Just finishing a well equipped food caravan,then finishing a 48 seat Isuzu bus as a live aboard ,and a 7 metre one for tiki touring.I bought the adjoining 150 acre farm for my family ,they are set ,now in my spare time I can attend to you weeds . Oh life does just not get any bettter .
    
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    May 27, 2020 7:14pm
- MrTips
  
  Meths in short supply these days. Hits hard eh Mark?
  
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  May 27, 2020 7:22pm
  - Mark
    
    [Mod: deleted for abuse]
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:16pm
Mark

Err team Gnat .I have just seen on the news your team ,scratch that your clusterfuck is going to have a dirt unit.Tv3 has been told by your team members .OOOOOOh happy days ,this is going to be hilarious.Watch this space you toe rags ,you are going to get your clocks wiped .Ba hahhah
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May 27, 2020 6:57pm
- Swifty
  
  WTF Mods?
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:01pm
  - Mark
    
    [Mod: this is the first of a series of posts from you which will get heavily moderated. Cut out the abuse of other posters and individuals or you’ll get a ban]
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:21pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Leave it there as an example of the smarter lefty trolls.
    
    Sad, nasty and irrelevant.
    
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    May 27, 2020 8:50pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Rockefeller document from 2010.

Sound familiar?

https://twitter.com/edleonklinger/status/1252725832516276225/photo/1
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May 27, 2020 7:09pm
chaos

Doing a survey that is so obvious for the govt, got to this question, which might show the direction they are looking at with policy

*The large number of New Zealanders having experience of the wage subsidy will increase support for universal basic income; which is a payment made to all adult New Zealanders sufficient to cover the basics.*
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May 27, 2020 7:14pm
- chaos
  
  Oh look what else it mentions
  
  * The massive amount of taxpayer money that has been spent to rescue New Zealand businesses and help New Zealanders on high incomes will soften attitudes towards taxes such as wealth and capital gains taxes in order to reduce inequality.*
  
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  May 27, 2020 7:17pm
Frank the tank

Thank god for Judith. At least someone has the stones to call it like it is. It is a travesty she is not the leader of the Opposition. A smart political party would now turn this against the government but we know this won’t happen…..
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May 27, 2020 7:17pm
- Mark
  
  Got a lazy $50 bigmouth that says she will lead the Gnats to the election and they will get pasted worse than 2002 .Put up you eejit or STFU.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:26pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Big mouth, edjit …
    
    Classy.
    
    There is a reason you have little respect for others, you have little for yourself, for good reason.
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:44pm
chaos

I do not believe a teacher aid can even come close to being compared to a prison guard

* New Zealand’s 22,000 teacher aides have won a historic pay equity deal that will lift their incomes by 23 to 34 per cent this year.

The deal, costing about $70 million a year, will transform teacher aides from an insecure group mostly paid only the minimum wage into an attractive profession starting on 88 per cent of the wage of a fully trained beginning teacher.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12335324
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May 27, 2020 7:56pm
- Tall Man
  
  Bought some votes though.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:41pm
- quarterpack
  
  In caring for the profoundly disabled, teacher aides can be doing an extremely difficult job, especially those with those caring for young adults. These are young people who are subject to seizures cant go to the toilet for themselves cant talk and can be violent. Those assisting in mainstream schools probably have an easier time than in a dedicated special needs school and deserve recognition for this
  
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  May 27, 2020 10:53pm
Swifty

KiwiBuild – “the greatest public policy failure in a generation”:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300021781/kiwibuild-will-take-more-than-400-years-to-reach-original-target
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May 27, 2020 8:09pm
- chaos
  
  I doubt even that would be long enough for them to do anything, especially if twyford is still involved
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:20pm
Mark

Oh Swifty you are now getting beyond pathetic,it is really sad.You lot with unfettered immigration and fuck all spend on infrastucture caused this catastrophic situation for my beloved country ,and now all you can do is point and laugh.I am the first to admit Twyford has not been up to the job,so what ,he did not cause it, you twats did.The difference between me and you right wing lap dogs is that I am happy to admit he is below par .Fuck do you want a list of your failure dick heads ,really.?I have all night happy to oblige if you want .
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May 27, 2020 8:41pm
- Swifty
  
  Bye bye Mark.
  
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  May 27, 2020 8:53pm
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    Sorry Swifty missed that parting shot of yours ,oh hell I am mortally wounded by your witty repartee,well half way any way .Half wit anyone .
    
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    May 27, 2020 9:20pm
- chaos
  
  Actually sweetie, the national government spent more on infrastructure than the Clark govt who ignored it and this idiotic govt that lies about putting money into things and doesn’t do anything,.
  
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  May 27, 2020 9:54pm
- JerJer
  
  All night huh ? No work tomorrow, or ever ? The people that will bring the country you say you love so much, are those that will get up and go to work tomorrow and do something productive. Doesn’t sound like you are part of that club. So, you just relax.
  
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  May 27, 2020 11:50pm
Mark

Oh bugger saucy tart to attend to.Back in the morning ,thanks MODS for mostly not prematurely ejaculating me .I will try to return the favour .
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May 27, 2020 9:15pm
Tall Man

“do you want a list of your failure dick heads”

Start with the losers in your coalition as they are the ones destroying our country or don’t you have the clarity of thought required?
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May 27, 2020 9:20pm
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/05/national-sets-up-intelligence-unit-to-dig-up-info-on-political-opponents-during-2020-election-campaign.html

If there is an “intelligence unit”, they need to find and stop these tova leaks.

This rubbish, more than anything else, will sink them in 4 months.
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