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Justitia

Where’s Jethro?
Will the Police Commissioner declare he is not a missing person?
I miss him so, and am concerned for his welfare.
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June 27, 2020 8:02am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m sure he’s fine. Plenty of fish in the ocean, and laws always need mowing.
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:27am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Being fitted up for a concrete wedding suit?
    
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    June 27, 2020 8:31am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Jethro doesn’t do mowing of laws. We have a law mowing specialist, an arrogant angry little chap with a beard like a gnome . . .
    
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    June 27, 2020 8:32am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      9.50 mods, tick tick tick
      
      [Mod: Sorry about that]
      
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      June 27, 2020 9:53am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Not today then eh [mod]
      
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      June 27, 2020 12:05pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    And all the fangirls dreamed that he’d be their partner…
    
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    June 27, 2020 8:40am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    The big news is that Emirates are back on the sched to Auckland July 1 and no quarantine for airline crew.
    Life is getting back to normal.
    
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    June 27, 2020 8:53am
Nukuleka

I was driving past the Justice Precinct in Christchurch yesterday morning at 10.30 when I observed a very moving gathering of police and presumably Department of Justice staff marking the brutal killing of Constable Matthew Hunt. As the assembled group was standing in unified grief at the loss of this innocent young man killed in the line of duty I saw a young Maori woman, heavily tattooed, standing behind them giving them the middle finger.

It was a very emotional and somewhat disturbing sight that will remain with me for many years to come, I think.
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June 27, 2020 8:08am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I saw the same observation outside Whanganui’s Police Station (minus the lone protester). It was a fantastic show of unity from our boys and girls in Blue.
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:18am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    No police minister?
    No Justice minister?
    No prime minister?
    Strange, don’t ya think?
    
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    June 27, 2020 12:52pm
    - amospicton
      
      It is remarkable really. There has been a deliberate decision to play it down. Must be related to the election – after the prisoner vote maybe? Concerned about their firearms buyback policy being exposed? Fear of antagonising the BLM mob? All are possible but utterly cowardly. The young man gave his life serving us and deserves more respect from the gummint.
      
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      June 27, 2020 1:52pm
      - Inandout
        
        amo, fear not, this horrible excuse for a government will lose many Police and family votes. The Police may be paid by the taxpayer but they are totally different to public servant seat warmers found in Wellington. Facing the lowest of the low on a daily basis is a sure way to realise that NZ is not a cuddly nation.
        
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        June 27, 2020 2:05pm
- Two bob
  
  BLM protester?
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:34am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/06/german-model-who-changed-skin-colour-says-white-people-exploit-black-community.html
    
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    June 27, 2020 8:22pm
- Romney
  
  I still don’t know anything about the murderer, which leads me to assume his identity runs contrary to the current narrative. And Stuffed is writing irrelevant stories about our most ‘notorious Cop killers.’ With photographs. Or is cynicism getting the better of me?
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:08am
  - amospicton
    
    Imagine the outrage if he was a ‘racist far right extremist’. Safe to assume he’s the polar opposite of that.
    
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    June 27, 2020 1:53pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I’m willing to wager he was a gang member or associate, high on methamphetamine, and probably involved in the drug trade, given that he was “tooled up”.
      
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      June 27, 2020 2:42pm
      - Hollyfield
        
        Being a gang member or associate is a logical assumption, as the woman the police searched for, and later arrested “for driving charges and as an accessory after the fact to the alleged murder of Hunt” was also known to “associate with people that have affiliations to a number of gangs.” The statement about driving charges made me wonder whether she was driving the car at the time, or whether the driving charges were unrelated.
        
        Interestingly, I initially read this on the Herald’s website, but it’s no longer there, I get a message saying this page no longer exists. However Otago Daily Times still has the info https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/police-locate-woman-wanted-relation-shooting
        
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        June 27, 2020 8:16pm
- Fletch
  
  Someone shoulda said to her, if it wasn’t for the cops, who would have stopped your aunty getting the bash?
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:20am
krazykiwi

Grandchild #2 is almost ready to join the kk family. A boy. Apparently the ultrasound can only detect male or female. Odd. Must be old, patriarchy-era equipment.
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June 27, 2020 8:10am
- igm
  
  What a ripper of a comment and so indicative of our fragmented society!
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:20am
- Tall Man
  
  You’ll keep 😉
  
  Hurty face on the way…….
  
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  June 27, 2020 9:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Better get the Minister of Health to advise the DHBs that their equipment is antiquated and modern machines are needed. We just can not survive on old technology
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:55am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Congratulations in advance, and best wishes for a speedy and uneventful delivery.
  
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  June 27, 2020 12:36pm
I remember when

Is the A.J.Hackett Bungy Government grant and possible loan a leap of faith?
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June 27, 2020 8:12am
- G152
  
  Wow. Now you’re jumping to conclusions.
  Down with bungies
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:26am
- peterwn
  
  It should have been a leap OK, the Government should have told them where to jump.
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:39am
- Chris R
  
  Thanks to Winston we all took a jump in 2017….I am still to find the rubber-band it must be around here somewhere…thump, splash, gurgle!
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:39am
  - Chris R
    
    Anything wrong???
    
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    June 27, 2020 10:18am
- kowtow
  
  A bridge too far, one can only hope.
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:48am
- greybeard
  
  That would be stretching it a bit.
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:51am
- Paulus
  
  Does Hackett not live in France ?
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:56am
- Tall Man
  
  Cut the rope ………
  
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  June 27, 2020 9:52am
- oldfella
  
  Will it rebound on the govt?
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:04am
Happychappy

We can’t afford to keep St John’s Ambulance workers on obviously because Jacinda and Winston don’t see that they save lives but can give out millions of dollars to a company deemed essential for tourists to jump off bridges. This is Corporate Welfare and vote catching by a corrupt Government.
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June 27, 2020 8:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You would think the CoL would score more votes by helping out the Ambulance Service than by propping up a private “Experience” activity…..
  
  Is there something I’m missing here?
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:34am
  - Lee C
    
    Perhaps they donate to the blue team…
    
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    June 27, 2020 8:47am
    - kevn
      
      @Lee… Someone told me St John hierarchy was a retreat for Freemasons? Could that be ‘it’?
      
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      June 27, 2020 8:50am
  - cmm
    
    The wokies don’t use the same set of services as the rest of us. Their bubble excludes people that use ambulances.
    
    Remember Katie Bradford saying 95% of everything was operating? She could get her latte, groceries and go to the gym so everything is fine.
    
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    June 27, 2020 8:49am
    - fisho
      
      Katie goes to the gym?
      
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      June 27, 2020 9:08am
    - kevn
      
      @cmm… Maybe the gym visit was really a coffee/carbs stop?
      
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      June 27, 2020 9:38am
    - rockape
      
      She has never seen the inside of a Gym, more like a pie shop customer.
      
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      June 27, 2020 12:16pm
  - peterwn
    
    Yes, if owners allow Otago/ Southland tourist oriented and other businesses (eg the Aluminum Smelter) to go to the wall because of lack of government support, this would drain off some of the all-important CoL party vote. Even 3000 votes matter – the Government has gone to great lengths and risked credibility to allow 3000 or so prisoners to vote (or 6000 including >3 years prisoners).
    
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    June 27, 2020 8:52am
  - RJ
    
    Maggy what has happened with St. John’s, did they apply for help and get refused? It is a stupid situation, they should be completely funded through ACC and Vote Health
    
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    June 27, 2020 9:45am
  - Tall Man
    
    Give it time. Plenty of time and they’re waiting for a “bad news day”.
    
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    June 27, 2020 9:53am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And it’s also racism. Why doesn’t the Iwi-owned Shotover Jet get a handout?
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:44am
  - Ron Jeremy
    
    Whale watch
    
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    June 27, 2020 9:06am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Ngai Tauhu have had plenty already and pay no tax either on their “charitable” operations.
    
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    June 27, 2020 9:09am
    - sooty
      
      If they pay no tax, how can they expect a taxpayer funded bailout?
      It’s not rocket science folks!
      
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      June 27, 2020 1:03pm
  - david
    
    Ngai Tahu own Whale Watch Kaikoura which has been on the receiving end of some of Government’s largesse.
    Hope they opened Kiwisaver accounts for the whales to keep them coming back.
    
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    June 27, 2020 9:27am
    - LTA1955
      
      Govt largesse is always flicked around as gohaa, jeez youse fullas are slow on da pickup eh?
      
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      June 27, 2020 3:18pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Maybe best not to go there. If Nat end up dealing with the Maori party you could expect maybe 25% of all recovery funding to be racially allocated?
    
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    June 27, 2020 10:02am
    - tf78
      
      I don’t think the Nats would deal with the ‘new Maori’ Party – they’re like the ‘Green Party’ far from their roots.
      
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      June 27, 2020 2:34pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        I imagine the new lot would want to go with Labour. But would/will National rule out racist or corrupt parties in the run up to the election? Or will they make a pact with the devil if that secures the treasury benches?
        
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        June 27, 2020 3:58pm
- Two bob
  
  I dont agree with dishing larges sums of money out to bussinesses/organisation no matter who they are.
  but yes they definately have absurd priorties thats for sure.
  
  the decline in st johns workload is proof of how much abuse of the system there was prior to covid. my uncle was a responder 20+ years and he said the amount of “regulars” was phenomenal alot were just lonely and want attention and others just too lazy to go to a doctor.
  imo ambo should be emergency only or else get billed the full unsibsised price, its too precious of a service to waste on those that dont really need it.
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:49am
  - mara
    
    Two bob, the ambos took me to hosp last year when I had a major heart attack. It charged and we paid $95. Exactly who were abusing the service for free apart from people who did not pay the bill charged?
    
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    June 27, 2020 4:11pm
- igm
  
  Bet she would intervene it affected a certain sector of society wearing strange headgear/clothing.
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:51am
  - Two bob
    
    your trip was 70%-80% subsidised, I have no probs with genuine need like yours but for example I have a mate whos wife called an ambo for a sore stiff neck she slepts funny on couch, lots of oldy attention seekers (and a few younger ones) or ppl that have injuries that are days old and cant be stuffed driving to A&E.
    
    ambos are heavily subsidized by acc aka tax/levi payers I rekon the time wasters esp repeat ones should get the full bill.
    
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    June 27, 2020 10:16pm
- barnacle bill
  
  I give St Johns a donation of $35.00 every year and have done for many years.
  If every house hold in the country did the same, St Johns would not be in strife at all.
  
  The only downside to donating, is that they keep on coming back for more, even suggesting I donate $1000.00.
  But that will not happen.
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:11am
  - kevn
    
    @barney bill… St John get lots of income from bequests I gather.
    
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    June 27, 2020 4:48pm
    - barnacle bill
      
      But not enough it would seem.
      
      St Johns is such a vital service. it is up to us all to contribute, so it there when we need it.
      
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      June 27, 2020 7:56pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Yes, and not many tourists in mid-winter are that keen on bungy-jumping.
  
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  June 27, 2020 12:38pm
- Ian Hawthorn
  
  So … they are funding the rope at the top of the cliff instead of the ambulance at the bottom …
  
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  June 27, 2020 1:02pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    This sums it up nicely:
    
    https://twitter.com/ReidAlisdair/status/1276039365127401474
    
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    June 27, 2020 1:51pm
    - Inandout
      
      TS, the comments are so tiresome though…National had 9 years to do something. The Twitterati drove me away from that site.
      
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      June 27, 2020 2:15pm
    - LTA1955
      
      Very good TS 🙂
      
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      June 27, 2020 3:20pm
Hacked-Off

Congrats KK.
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June 27, 2020 8:19am
virtualmark

Hannity: “… what are your top priority items for a second term?”

Trump: “Well one of the things that will be really great: you now, the word experience is still good. I always say talent is more important than experience. I’ve always said that. But the word experience is a very important word. It’s a very important meaning. I never did this before, I never slept over in Washington. I was in Washington I think 17 times, all of a sudden I’m the president of the United States, you know the story, I’m riding down Pennsylvania Avenues with our First Lady and I say This is great. But I didn’t know very many people in Washington, it wasn’t my thing. I was from Manhattan, from New York. Now I know everybody. And I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes, like you know an idiot like Bolton, all he wanted to do is drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to kill people.”

Trump can’t even answer a soft-ball question from Hannity on his second term policy priorities. Nothing about the wall, immigration … nothing. Just a meaningless word salad that has nothing to do with the question.

I know most of the commenters here think the guy walks on water, but his mind is going. Is gone. Any comments about Biden’s mental acuity is just desperate mis-direction and projection.

At this point I think it’s more likely he will resign and not contest the election than it is that he will win in November.
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June 27, 2020 8:27am
- All_on_Red
  
  Ok Bruh
  
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  June 27, 2020 2:09pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Here’s the competition- Jerry Nadler, Senior Democrat Leader and 🤡
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PjKVdz3aVaA
    Lol
    
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    June 27, 2020 2:14pm
    - virtualmark
      
      I didn’t realise Nadler was standing for President …
      
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      June 27, 2020 2:27pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        Joe Biden thinks he is standing for senate though!
        
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        June 27, 2020 4:04pm
  - Inandout
    
    virtual, where was his Obama teleprompter? It must be difficult to just repeat successful things, but he did say those statue thugs in Washington had been arrested, something I didn’t realise.
    
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    June 27, 2020 2:20pm
    - virtualmark
      
      You guys really are obsessed with Obama eh?
      
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      June 27, 2020 3:04pm
- IC5000
  
  Can you post a link to the interview? I have an interest in mental health on a professional level so I want to analyse Trump’s body language and determine if he understood the question.
  
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  June 27, 2020 3:54pm
G152

Remember
Fake news
Anti right
Anti white
Thousand of news item come into the news system every day of the year and the ?subbies? can only find anti right anti white.
Shut them down
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June 27, 2020 8:29am
freemark

Referring to yesterday’s guest post on immigration. While not making much comment on it I noted that 3 of 3 AvSec staff at Wgtn Domestic Security were Asian.
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June 27, 2020 8:29am
Lee C

Oh dear, Trouble at the Girl Guides Biscuit fundraiser,,
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/121943540/verity-johnson-ive-had-a-falling-out-with-jacinda?fbclid=IwAR1qviQvlNnanuTvYIA5q8-2h9Tzc3kgkFqseeU8v0fH4z4C9A9oCviEFPk
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June 27, 2020 8:46am
- cmm
  
  Waking up from being woke.
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:50am
  - Two bob
    
    nope the last paragraph says shes still asleep. just a virtue signaller wanting attention and most likely about to lose her job.
    
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    June 27, 2020 8:54am
  - lifesgood
    
    The silly little twit still spouts rubbish. She’ll still vote for her!!! Why FFS? What has she done? All these idiots who confidently state she is stellar, a great leader etc, etc, never give an example. She has failed at every turn and I could give a long list of her failures…failing to sack Clark for one, failing to keep nearly every one of their election promises for two.
    
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    June 27, 2020 8:59am
  - Hacked-Off
    
    But cmm, she said at the end of the article that she would ‘probably’ vote for Ardern so in my book still woke.
    
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    June 27, 2020 9:02am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Waking up that if testing is a personal yes or no and not enforceable as it it is in Victoria and NZ, and a sizeable percentage don’t test, the whole quarantine deal is just a farce.
    Mudguard diplomacy, looks all good on the surface, but there is alot of crap lurking underneath.
    How can you let a third of people refuse and walk away and say your system is perfect.
    System is totally flawed and still is, air crew mixing with people off flights from Doha, the highest infection rate in the world, then flying domestic and wandering the streets.
    The management of this is appalling if they are trying to supress infection , great for herd immunity.
    Filling a bus to capacity and not enforcing PPE for a 4 hour trip, these people are bereft of any common sense and touring protocol.
    A six year old would have more common sense.
    
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    June 27, 2020 9:28am
    - cmm
      
      It would have been totally fine to not have testing if they implemented the rest of the quarantine procedures properly.
      
      A proper quarantine separates the cohorts so that the people who have been in one day do not mingle with the people who have been in 10 days.
      
      What they call quarantine – with people mixing – allows the virus to jump the queue. A new arrival can infect a person leaving the next day. Testing would catch some of that – but not all of it.
      
      Since it takes a few days to develop to the point where the tests pick up the virus, testing will not pick up cases that were infected in their last couple of days in quarantine.
      
      Bottom line is this:
      *If the quarantine is implemented properly then testing is not needed.
      * If the quarantine is not implemented properly then testing will help, but won’t close the gap.
      
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      June 27, 2020 9:38am
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        when I look at this list from NZ health.
        I would make the assumption that testing every person from the Indian flights is important and they sit in a room for 14 days in complete isolation.
        https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases/covid-19-current-cases-details
        The testing is not infallible, only picks it up infection in throat or nose, but better than nothing.
        The lists are factually misleading and have been all along, the australian cases, some are in fact from Pakistan via Doha.
        
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        June 27, 2020 9:54am
      - septic skeptic
        
        You still need testing in quarantine. Say a family of four arrives with one infected but only mildly symptomatic. There is a good chance that while they have recovered in two weeks the other three could be just starting symptoms on release.
        
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        June 27, 2020 10:07am
      - cmm
        
        Greg, sorry I reported you by mistake.
        
        I wonder whether they are taking into consideration that many countries have really crap reporting?
        
        If you believe the official numbers (WHO etc) then:
        * Pakistan has about 18 deaths per million and India 11.
        * Pakistan has 510 active cases per million and India 140.
        
        Using those numbers it would be incredibly unlikely that a Pakistani or Indian would turn up positive.
        
        Either Jacinda’s lucky earrings stopped working or someone’s telling porkies.
        
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        June 27, 2020 10:21am
      - tf78
        
        I saw a video clip this morning where the Israeli’s have developed a breathalyzer that detects Covid – gosh those guys are clever! They have also developed a stinking spray to put in water cannons to spray over protesters – it smells like skunk and worse.
        
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        June 27, 2020 10:27am
      - 3-coil
        
        cmm (9:38am): who could have made such a monumental stuff-up? Who was running NZ border quarantines? Oh that’s right – ex Police commissioner Mike y Bush! It seems everything he touches turns to shit (all the way back to him loftily trying to shut down talk about PMs hubby, or else!…Streisand effect lol) Bush has gone very quiet, moved on?
        His last official RNZ interview a few days back was a trainwreck, what an ignorant arrogant twit. Where will he pop up, and stuff up, next?
        
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        June 27, 2020 11:11am
    - Jacinda Ardhern
      
      A six year old is brighter than the brainwashed twerps who believe our Dear Leader is just amazeballs.
      
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      June 27, 2020 9:47am
    - rockape
      
      Its a bit like Gun Laws, w3hy do we need any restrictions other than there were. Because the Law said you can only get a gun is you have a license and are a fit and proper person. They just forgot to tell the gangs that!
      
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      June 27, 2020 12:19pm
  - Raphael
    
    cmm
    Waking up from being woke.
    
    Close but the author is still sipping the kool aid.
    
    from the end of the article
    
    Now I’ll probably still vote for her, because if there’s one thing that she’s proved repeatedly over her tenure it’s that when the chips are down she’s the leader you need. And honestly, no-one knows Todd Muller from a carrot, and he’s gotta do more than prove he can read a balance sheet. (So can Xero.)
    
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    June 27, 2020 10:55am
    - oldfella
      
      So this female journalist(?) says basically that although Labour has a great leader, they have a hopeless team, but they still deserve her vote. Cos a good leader will carry the rest. Hmmm.
      Isn’t that like watching the AB’s run out against the Springboks and finding Richie McCaw’s the captain, but his team is the the local club’s social grade reserves?
      Yep, I’d back the AB’s. Who wouldn’t?
      Good call young lady.
      
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      June 27, 2020 11:29am
      - cmm
        
        Like Uncle CMM keeps telling you… Jacinda is the Bridget Jones politician.
        
        Being incompetent and stuffing up is part of her enchanting, quirky personality. It is her super power.
        
        Her fans don’t expect competence. In fact it would probably turn them off.
        
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        June 27, 2020 3:52pm
  - LTA1955
    
    If ya fire them Jackass, you have to have (a) competent replacement. Ummmm, ahhh, ummm, could someone ring WINZ Jobseeker for me?
    
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    June 27, 2020 3:27pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  But she will still most likely vote for her!!! In other words vote for a gaggle of failures
  
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  June 27, 2020 8:52am
  - amospicton
    
    I think the point is that a tribal leftie is criticising the government. This is new. If this is happening the undecided middle, where the election is won, is shifting. If Verity voted Blue Labour would be sub-20. Not happening but any criticism is significant.
    
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    June 27, 2020 2:00pm
- greybeard
  
  Verity Johnson is deluded if she thinks that Jacinda is anything like a manager !
  “But like any good CEO, she needs to do some major firing and hiring.”
  Let’s face it, Jacinda has NEVER interviewed anyone for a job, hired anyone, had to reprimand or fire anyone.
  She has never performed a Personal Performance review.
  She is no manager.
  
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  June 27, 2020 9:00am
- Swifty
  
  “She’s got buckets of personal star power, authenticity and the ability to MAKE YOU FEEL personally like she’s looking after you.”
  
  Wow. What low expectations.
  
  “Unlike Bill English, who inspired the kind of I’m-not-exciting-but-I’m-very-effective feelings we usually associate with Toilet Duck”
  
  Yes, give me that person!
  
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  June 27, 2020 9:02am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  And sadly that sums it up for a big chunk of NZ – ‘theyre a hopeless team but I’ll still vote for them’
  
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  June 27, 2020 9:07am
- Gravelroad
  
  She’s still going to vote for her though – and always will – no matter what.
  
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  June 27, 2020 9:11am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  She’s moaning about the idiot males in Cindy’s team letting her down
  
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  June 27, 2020 9:17am
  - RJ
    
    And yet it is the country being let down by the idiot female Prime Ministers inability to hold people to account and sack their sorry butts for not doing their jobs.
    
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    June 27, 2020 2:24pm
    - sooty
      
      Yep the useless males in her caucus, Twitford, Stupid Boy, Lees Gallopaway, the Duck, special K, wee willie.
      
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      June 27, 2020 8:50pm
- double d
  
  The clincher for me was the end of the article “…I will still vote for her..”
  That in a nutshell sums up the challenge for the opposition. They vote for the “star power” of The PM – not the competence of the administration and the ability to execute policy etc
  It is just depressing.
  
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  June 27, 2020 9:26am
  - kiwiracer
    
    Exactly, I read a comment on social media this week from an obvious Ardern voter, not to be confused with a Labour voter, they are different people, it was in response to the calls for David Clark’s sacking, and I quote “what about sacking the National MP who let the two ladies out of isolation?”
    
    This is the level idiocy of the Ardern voter.
    
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    June 27, 2020 2:13pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The irony with the “Chris Bishop caused this” argument is that the women were already on their way to Wellington on the Saturday morning when Bishop forwarded the email to MoH officials. Their request for a compassionate exemption had already been approved, before he “intervened”. But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good anti-National smear?!
      
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      June 27, 2020 2:21pm
- Komata
  
  LeeC@0846
  
  A good article and she had me interested until I read this:
  
  ‘Now I’ll probably still vote for her, because if there’s one thing that she’s proved repeatedly over her tenure it’s that when the chips are down she’s the leader you need. And honestly, no-one knows Todd Muller from a carrot’.
  
  A good critique destroyed in two short sentences; I don’t know why she even bothered…
  
  Leopards; spots etc; Jacindamania, alive and well…
  
  Thank you.
  
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  June 27, 2020 9:52am
- Fletch
  
  She doesn’t look old enough to be out of her sleepover PJs….
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:22am
  - kaykaybee
    
    I am sure fashionistas would say that she looks like she’s still wearing them much of the time
    
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    June 27, 2020 1:48pm
alloytoo

So it’s raining, the dams are slowing but steadily filling.

The doomsayers will complaining about floods next.
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June 27, 2020 8:54am
I remember when

Waking up from being a woke.
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June 27, 2020 9:12am
I remember when

A “UNION” representing ambulance workers claims ST John can’t properly crew its ambulances.
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June 27, 2020 9:17am
Swifty

That’s odd – the same guy’s (Mohammed’s) last shop got burned out as well:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12343483

Back in 2010-2012, from memory, and just around the same corner.

What are the chances of that?
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June 27, 2020 9:17am
- mara
  
  I dare Verity to romp along Stoddard Rd in cut-off shorts and a crop top trying to intelligently engage the locals in matters of multiculturalism, animal welfare issues, feminism, head bags and FGM. Go into the shops, check out the freezers and cop the frostiness of the shop keepers to the entry of people not of their religion. I live quite near to Mt Roskill, know the area quite well, used to walk thru the area but now avoid it like the plague. Verity is an indoctrinated child who knows nothing.
  
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  June 27, 2020 4:50pm
MCos

President Trump’s second term objectives explained
https://twitter.com/sarahcpr/status/1276623987624366080?s=21
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June 27, 2020 9:27am
kevn

@Greg… Yes, as predicted, NZer’s massive financial lockdown sacrifice looks to have been for nought.
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June 27, 2020 9:36am
kevn

Steven Joyce doing a column (behind paywall) for the NZ Herald.
Interesting…
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June 27, 2020 9:40am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-authorizes-use-of-mount-rushmores-laser-eyes?fbclid=IwAR07nAC-G-P4jIxIWpowK7VN8p8l8zbM7TXxLez9RMyKM44REGzNrm1wuVQ
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June 27, 2020 9:41am
- Raphael
  
  I’m waiting to see if Snopes fact checks this one as well…..
  
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  June 27, 2020 11:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Any fact check from Snopes can be taken with a container load of salt. Snopes is run by rabid lefties
    
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    June 27, 2020 11:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-defies-liberals-by-chugging-entire-bottle-of-aunt-jemima-syrup-at-rally
  
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  June 27, 2020 11:30am
  - Ian Hawthorn
    
    Thanks for the laugh.
    
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    June 27, 2020 1:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/man-horrified-as-kids-give-him-noose-for-fathers-day
  
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  June 27, 2020 11:37am
Maggie Pie

Bit of a wet old morning here.
Got up earlier to get breakfast, only to find we we’d run out of my partners fave Moccona 10. Threw my jeans on and shot up to NW, only to find it’s OUT OF STOCK!
Headed over to Countdown and luckily they had a few jars available thank god. Although what i do find a bit ‘off-putting’ shopping at CD, their FRESH SEAFOOD area smells a lot like ……fish 🙁
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June 27, 2020 9:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’d sack your housekeeper, Maggie Pie.
  
  And is there some reason Your Partner isn’t getting you your breakfast in the weekend?
  
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  June 27, 2020 9:46am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    She’s not a ‘live in’ one, silly!
    She only comes 3 times a week.
    
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    June 27, 2020 11:42am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Yes, those live-in housekeepers, or nannies as some call them, can prove to be a bit problematic. Apparently.
      
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      June 27, 2020 12:44pm
  - IC5000
    
    > And is there some reason Your Partner isn’t getting you your breakfast in the weekend?
    
    He’s probably a feminist. Girls can do anything. Even make breakfast.
    
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    June 27, 2020 3:57pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Maggie Pie is a bit of a throwback to past decades.
      She runs after her Man, lets him hog the TV remote, plucks his ducks, etc.
      She’s a damn disgrace to the female race.
      I’d soon sort her out.
      
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      June 27, 2020 5:49pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Hang on a minute Maggs!
        Didn’t you say your hubby went to P.N.B.H.S?
        My partner reckons they’re all ‘soft-cocks’ that went there anyway 😛
        
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        June 27, 2020 6:05pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Ok.
        You’ve got a perceptive partner…
        but, in my defence, I was 25 and a spinster….
        
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        June 27, 2020 6:18pm
      - IC5000
        
        > Maggie Pie is a bit of a throwback to past decades.
        
        LOL NZ has not seen those attitudes since the 1970s. Its good that old people are still mobile and independent.
        
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        June 27, 2020 6:57pm
- Komata
  
  Maggie P@0941
  
  I was taught many years ago by someone in the industry, that if a ‘Fresh Seafood’ section smells of ‘fish’ than the fish it contains / sells ‘aint fresh…
  
  It’s a very useful guide, when visiting Fish and Chips shops etc..
  
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  June 27, 2020 9:56am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Better than our CD, they closed their seafood department because they couldn’t compete with P&S on price. And that was before lockdown.
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:08am
- Fletch
  
  Most of the supermarkets seem to be out of everything in the Lipton brand of teas, also. Perhaps because it comes from Australia.
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:25am
- Colville
  
  Why the fu*k is anyone drinking instant coffee in the day and age?
  
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  June 27, 2020 11:29am
  - Inandout
    
    Colville, I thought the same. I can have my coffee machine packed with freshly ground beans and have two cups ready in 5 minutes. I used to drink instant coffee until I was told how it was made; no thanks.
    
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    June 27, 2020 2:30pm
  - Komata
    
    Colville@1129
    
    Why? Because sadly, some of us who absolutely LOVE filtered coffee etc, find that, due to ‘over-indulgence’ in the bean in our earlier years, our systems either can’t actually handle the smell that good, quality, percolated coffee generates, or react in nauseous ways when it’s ingested!!
    
    As a coffee-lover, in such situations, ‘Instant’ (albeit of a quality brand) is, unfortunately, the only option left!!
    
    It’s extremely frustrating…
    
    (Thought you’d like to know 🙂 )
    
    Thank you.
    
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    June 27, 2020 8:45pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A comparison of attitudes to Covid-19 between NZ and Taiwan

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/419965/covid-19-essential-to-protect-lives-and-ensure-lockdown-wasn-t-in-vain
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June 27, 2020 9:41am
lastmanstanding

Some random thoughts on Auckland water crisis

1. Past and current Government failed to pass legislation and regulation to allow Watercare to take water from the Waikato if required.

2. Past and current Auckland Council and Watercare failed to construct the necessary infrastructure to provide water to Auckland citizens.

3 Past Governments allow immigration to increase the population beyond its water capacity.

4, Water is an essential element of life.

5. This is a Health and Safety matter.

6. If a company ( and AC pretends Watercare operates like a company) breaches the H&S Act the company can be fined and the Directors and Managers can be fined and go to jail.

7. In the case of Watercare the Directors and Managers should have been competent to tell AC what was required to avoid the current situation and if this wasnt provided they should have resigned.

8. If they didnt tell AC what was required they are incompetent.

9. Either way the Watercare Directors and Managers should either resign or be sacked.

10. The Mong CEO of Watercare is the highest paid CCO CEO on $750,000. Go figure.

11. If anyone disagrees or can defend the guilty parties please explain.
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June 27, 2020 9:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Aucklanders may find this paper of interest…
  
  TWENTIETH CENTURY DROUGHTS AND WET PERIODS IN AUCKLAND
  (NEW ZEALAND) AND THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO ENSO
  https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/joc.1100
  
  details previous Drought periods
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:03am
  - cmm
    
    Thanks Maggy – you always seem to dig up some very interesting stuff.
    
    Hmmm the graphs also have a similar shape to solar cycles. I wonder…
    
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    June 27, 2020 10:26am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      No the Auckland water crisis is caused by climate change.
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/stories/2018750899/beyond-reasonable-drought-new-zealand-s-climate-future
      
      That is why we are going to replace productive farmland with pine trees. We are also going to reduce GDP by 16 percent by 2050, impoverishing New Zealand. These are the Government’s own commissioned modelling results.
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/currencies/98488/because-honest-emissions-cuts-are-staggeringly-hard-make-achieving-carbon
      
      And we are doing this because New Zealand will then save the world from climate change.
      
      The appalling stupidity of this plan should have people marching in the streets with pitchforks.
      
      The Chinese embassy in Wellington will be sending reports back to Beijing about what New Zealand is planning. It must have the leaders there in fits of laughter.
      
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      June 27, 2020 11:12am
      - Jack5
        
        Anyone know from recent independent sources progress with China’s “Great Green Wall” project to plant 90 million acres of new forest in northern China?
        
        The goal of the Three Norths Shelterbelt Development Programme is to stop the growth of deserts.
        
        This China source says the project runs to 2050.
        
        http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-11/30/c_137642405.htm
        
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        June 27, 2020 5:24pm
  - tf78
    
    Wasn’t the 93/94 water shortage more to do with the council emptying the dam for repairs and then it didn’t rain enough to fill it up totally. That’s what I recall from the time. As usual council incompetence.
    
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    June 27, 2020 10:35am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The Drought in Auckland 1993-94 was a real event…
      https://www.metsoc.org.nz/app/uploads/2018/05/1994_142_22-25_fowler.pdf
      
      I can’t find any info about repairs to Hunua Ra/ Waitakere Dams during this period..
      (but I didn’t look hard)
      
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      June 27, 2020 2:42pm
  - Durden
    
    Auckland Council and Watercare are simply indulging is mis-direction. And the ratepayers are falling for it and directing their anger at Waikato regional council.
    
    Nobody asks them what have been the investments over the last 50 years in making their water system robust and resilient. Have they built even one alternative storage and purification/processing plant to taking water from a different source/catchment ?
    
    Have they increased the capacity of existing systems ?
    
    Do they even have a plan ?
    
    What is the proportion of REAL spending increases to reflect the growing population of Auckland after allowing for $ inflation and virtue signalling stunts like living wage and cliamte emergencies?
    
    Compare this increase with increase in spending on non-essentials like ATEED, Harbour Bridge and other cycleways, roading redesigns that do nothing but only slow down traffic and reduce injujries/deaths minimally, stupid stadium proposals etc.
    
    Until they answer these questions satisfactorily they should not be allowed to get away with bleating about the current emergency.
    
    Someone needs hold them to account for not treating water as a #1 priority.
    
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    June 27, 2020 12:34pm
    - sooty
      
      Built a ne smaller dam in 1965, mothballed it. Now spending 57 mill to get it up and rounning again! That worked well didn’t it, now they are short of water, when every bit helps.
      
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      June 27, 2020 1:10pm
- Two bob
  
  while I think a tempory reprieve is needed via extra water from the waikato goff and watercare see that as a permanent fix and it shouldnt be.
  
  give goff and co half of what they want, aucklanders need to be accountable for there wastage, live on water heavy restrictions until dams are x % full.
  
  auckland council and watercare need to come up with a long term plan to be self reliant via R.O or desalination plants. they wont want to do this as it would mean reallocation of funds that get blown on vanity projects.
  
  no sympathy really very little effort on aucklanders behalf to conserve, they should have been heavily restricted a year ago and not wait until it gets dire then force theft from another region.
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:15am
- kowtow
  
  If New Zealand spent less time looking backwards and paying for historical ‘grievances” and more time looking forward , planning and spending on all New Zealanders’ infrastructure and services then we might all be in a better place…..
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:19am
- Maggie Pie
  
  In my opinion, the so called ‘water crisis’ is nothing more than manufactured BS by the Watercare CEO so he can justify his exorbitant 770k salary! Not bad for a boy from Fiji, eh?
  Honestly, there’s been so much overnite rain in Auckland, my partner has already had to go out twice and lower the level of our pool by about 3 tiles.
  Water shortage – what water shortage?
  
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  June 27, 2020 11:01am
- SB2
  
  The following might help explain Auckland’s Water woe,
  
  Climate warming promises more frequent extreme El Niño events
  Date:
  October 21, 2019
  
  Source:
  University of Hawaii at Manoa
  
  Summary:
  
  “New research, based on 33 historical El Niño events from 1901 to 2017, show climate change effects have shifted the El Niño onset location from the eastern Pacific to the western Pacific and caused more frequent extreme El Niño events since the 1970’s. Continued warming over the western Pacific warm pool, driven by anthropogenic climate change, promises conditions that will trigger more extreme events in the future….”
  
  https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/10/191021153346.htm
  
  New immigrants do not contribute to Auckland’s water shortage problems. Plenty of much larger cities like Melbourne, Sydney. LA etc cope quite well dealing with water shortages
  
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  June 27, 2020 12:01pm
  - Swifty
    
    Absolute nonsense.
    
    Auckland’s problem is not that there is enough water or indeed rainfall – Auckland’s problem is that we insufficient storage and purification capacity.
    
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    June 27, 2020 2:06pm
    - RJ
      
      Something that has been known for quite a long bloody time, it the mayors since I lived there have sat on their big fat over prices butts doing nothing about it.
      
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      June 27, 2020 2:27pm
    - rockape
      
      I think consumption is the biggest problem. NZ extracts 950 m3 per person, second only to the USA. Compare with others like UK at 240m3, Netherlands at 630m3 and Sweden at 340 m3.
      Ref.https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/factbook-2009-64-en.pdf?expires=1593231830&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=F010F4B0490D7AAB49ED2BBDE510FA6A
      
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      June 27, 2020 4:16pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Read the article and have to question its purpose.
    
    That is what an El Nino is, hot surface temperatures of Peru and this weakens the Humbolt cuurent. Stops all the bait fish from arriving and 100 years ago villagers starved hence its name El Nino, La Nina is the opposite where hotwater ( SST) turns up western pacific ( Timor sea, PNG) and heaps more rainfall.
    The website tells nothing new and very vague. Seems like pro climate change and IPCC mouth piece.
    Please correct me if Im wrong.
    
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    June 27, 2020 4:27pm
- rockape
  
  You forgot Aucklanders use too much of that valuable resource. Double the cost and watch them save water.
  
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  June 27, 2020 12:22pm
- rockape
  
  Water is an essential part of life however 300 litres per person per day is a luxury not an essential!
  
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  June 27, 2020 4:26pm
Greg Ettridge

Question
How many millimetres will the Waikato River drop in height if Auckland is granted water, before it flows to the sea?
Same sort of question as:
How much will the worlds temperature be effected by New Zealand lowering its emmisions.
Both you can hardly measure, both as stupid as each other.
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June 27, 2020 9:58am
- GT Build
  
  There was plenty in the river the other day it was over the road south of tuakau
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:12am
- Two bob
  
  same argument the irrigators of canterbury plains used and look at how f**ked those rivers have become.
  irrigation for a year there uses less then a days flow from just 1 of the major rivers.
  manapouri power station f**ked the waiau diverting the flow to generators and out to deep cove.
  many rivers around nz have been destroyed to generate power to meet aucklands insatiable demand.
  
  see the trend, we ruin rivers constantly. minute changes to flow upset them greatly in the long run it takes decades to show. rivers need flow to flush sediments and keep them healthy.
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:25am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Where you take the water from makes a big difference (upstream or downstream).
    
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    June 27, 2020 2:07pm
  - NZK3v
    
    Rivers are not ruined just because the flow changes. Nature changes river flow all the time. Move on, nothing to see here.
    
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    June 27, 2020 8:02pm
- cmm
  
  I think it comes down to how much you have to feed the taniwha before it lets you tickle its tummy.
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:27am
- MarkF
  
  Greg. Some simple Maths. According to Watercare Auckland uses about 400,000,000 litres of water per day (see Watercare’s site). Lets say we need half that from the Waikato say 200M ltrs. Outflow from Lake Taupo (before other rivers feed the Waikato) is around 180cumsecs (180,000 lts/sec). Divide 180,000 into 400M = 2200sec or 37mins of Taupo water per day. But we are taking it 10kms from the outflow to the Tasman Sea. It cnnot affect anyone upstream, just saying!
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:35am
  - tf78
    
    We have a family island in the middle of the Waikato – could we pump water from there so it’s not directly from the river?
    
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    June 27, 2020 10:36am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, the other way to look at it is that 400,000 cubic meters of water a day is an average of 4.7 cubic metres a second.
    
    That’s about 2.5% of the water flowing out of Taupo.
    
    It is going to have zero effect on the life of the river.
    
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    June 27, 2020 11:02am
    - Colville
      
      In reality it wouldnt be close to that.
      
      The Auck reservoirs would usually deal with the bulk of supply so the take from the Waikato would only be used when the dams are low.
      
      With a bit of smart engineering it would be easy to use high flow Waikato water to top up a dam if summer had been dry.
      
      But its got so stupid now that Auck has purchased desalination plants to fire up if they dont sort it out.
      
      Jacinda could sort this with a signature … IF She had a spine.
      
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      June 27, 2020 11:35am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Also note that the effect, if any, will only be until it reaches the Tidal zone not the Tasman sea. I understand thats at Mercer 42 km from mouth.
    
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    June 27, 2020 11:41am
  - rockape
    
    So the average Aucklander uses 300 litres each per day. What on ? Maybe thats the problem.
    
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    June 27, 2020 12:24pm
  - Ian Hawthorn
    
    Around 1/3 of Auckland’s water already comes from the Waikato. They have consent to take 150,000 litres per day and have had since 2002. The intakes are at Meremere. The amount is insignificant compared to the flow of the river at that location which is a lot more than what comes out of Taupo.
    
    Why is this news? Was there something about it on TV? I haven’t watched TV news for about 15 years because it is rubbish. Are they looking to increase their consent level or take water from another location?
    
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    June 27, 2020 1:26pm
    - tf78
      
      Meremere is where the family island is – can you see my point about the tap in the middle now.
      
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      June 27, 2020 7:20pm
kwkiwigirl

I see the government has signed up another scientist, Dr Michael Baker, to the Covid 19 Govt advisory committee who’s now also doing their talking in the media.

Baker has come out on Stuff today and said ‘nothing to worry about’ with these new isolation cases. When he will be signing to run for the Labour party list in the next election?

Wondered why Baker was so sour and unenthusiastic when being interviewed by Garner on the AM show a couple of weeks ago. Garner is definitely right of centre. Love his show and his interviews at 7.15am every morning.
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June 27, 2020 10:19am
MCos

According to a NIWA article Auckland received 31% of its normal rainfall for the year up until May 21 i.e 126mm. That is 6in & the normal annual rainfall is a mickey whiskey under 50in. So you might so no rain in practical terms.
Ideally we’d be more prepared for extreme weather of this nature because if it happens once it’ll happen again, but it costs money and there’s nothing more likely to get you chucked out of office than raising rates.
(Notice I haven’t mentioned climate change, because that just gets everyone worked up on this forum)
The city population is always increasing because who wants to live in the frozen south? My nephew lives in Tuatapere where he tells me the sun doesn’t make it to his office right now & they can’t get away from it in the summer!
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June 27, 2020 10:32am
Greg Ettridge

Thanks Mark, you have just given NZ a water tight explanation that taking the water will have no consequences on anyone except the residents of Auckland being given access to an essential service.
You have made it impossible to put up a contrary argument in my opinion.
Be interesting to see if you cop a downtick or contrary argument.
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June 27, 2020 10:47am
- rockape
  
  300 litres per person per day isnt essential. Try living on a yacht Ocean cruising, 450 litres lasted me and the wife 28 days and that included a shower now and then!
  
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  June 27, 2020 12:26pm
- Ruahine
  
  $300 million for a cycleway.
  How much for a new reservoir
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119423707/auckland-harbour-bridge-cycleway-will-extend-to-albany
  
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  June 27, 2020 1:39pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    I have a solution. Bribe every cyclist with ten grand cash each and build the reservoir instead with the money left over.
    
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    June 27, 2020 2:16pm
Benedict Yu

I was randomly looking up the subsequent activities of former politicians. Remember this guy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Carter_(politician)#United_Nations

He managed to score a full 8 years in two senior roles working for the UN. If I recall correctly, he was of limited ability, behaved poorly, and was lazy. Yet the UN put him in charge of two major development programmes for almost a decade. I am guessing he was paid circa $US 200K plus allowances annually.

How does that possibly happen?
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June 27, 2020 11:05am
- Swifty
  
  And now:
  
  “In 2018 he rejoined the New Zealand Labour Party and stood for election as a Labour Party representative in the 2019 New Zealand local elections.Chris Carter was elected and appointed as Chairperson of the Henderson Massey Local Board with 11,250 votes. He also won election in 2019 as one of the 7 elected Board Members of the Waitemata District Health Board (WDHB) with 14,593 votes. Both positions have 3 year terms.”
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Carter_(politician)
  
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  June 27, 2020 2:00pm
- Paulus
  
  You mean there is hope for Cindy – two incompetence together in Angola.
  
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  June 27, 2020 2:24pm
- IC5000
  
  Have you actually worked in the private sector? I see this all the time with incompetent directors who are politically aligned with someone above them so they’re a protected species. Even if they are let go they land on their feet to another plum position.
  
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  June 27, 2020 4:05pm
Happychappy

Is there anyone else out there that believe this drop of papers on CORID-19 is done for the purpose of trying to make Jacinda Ardern and David Clark more responsible and blame free over the new case’s of Coronavirus and more blame on the Health Director Ashley Bloomfield.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12343269
Isn’t it funny that Jancinda was all for the lockdown to continue into June before Todd Muller and Winston Peters voiced their opposition and the public got behind them, so why now is the papers that were dumped yesterday stating that it was all the Health Minister that demanding a month more of quarantining.
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June 27, 2020 11:11am
MT_Tinman

Damned near everything I’ve read in the last few days predicting NZ’s future focuses on three categories of foreigners.

Tourists and overseas students I can understand, these making up a significant part of New Zealand’s earnings but the third category, “guest workers” has me beat.

These people take from New Zealand.

With unemployment already reaching 10% (and many, like myself, are still getting paid under the governments Hide-the-effects-of-our-incompetence policy) why should NZ even think about “guest workers”?

Under normal circumstances NZ can afford those “guest workers” because they are cheaper than trying to get Shane’s “Nephs” working but these are not, nor will they be for years, normal circumstances.

NZ does not need (nor, I suggest want) “guest workers”!

Instead we should be looking at creating employment by manufacturing cattle-prods and then employing large, nasty people to use those cattle-prods to get the unemployed off their fat arses and out doing the work normally done by those “guest workers”.

Only then can NZ start to see a way out of the depression it is rushing towards.
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June 27, 2020 11:14am
- Ian Hawthorn
  
  So you’ll be taking a fruit picking job then? Poor pay and bloody hard work as I understand it. Also a bit too physical for someone my age. And there is a surprising amount of skill involved. Farmers don’t want inexperienced pickers ruining their fruit. But it is hard to retain experienced people for seasonal work. Not much fruit picking going on at the moment for example.
  
  A lot of our fruit is picked by guest workers – experienced gangs from the pacific islands, often from particular villages, who come over every year just for the season. These are long standing commercial arrangements that seem to work well for all concerned. You want to replace this with a scheme where overseers with cattle prods force the unemployed into the fields to pick fruit? I can’t see that working.
  
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  June 27, 2020 4:23pm
  - kwkiwigirl
    
    A lot of those temporary workers that we came across when in Queenstown were working in retail and hospitality, not out doing manual labour.
    
    It would be interesting to know what the breakdown of these temporary workers and which industries they are working in. In some cases they are keeping jobs from New Zealand citizens. In particular it is very hard for New Zealanders over 50 to get jobs in New Zealand these days even if they are prepared to work for the minimum wage. Just ask any uber taxi driver. They need to bring in a list of wanted skills. Temporary workers shouldn’t be taking up for eg. retail jobs.
    
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    June 27, 2020 10:42pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  No sign of change. I would say between 50 and 70 percent of petrol station cashiers are Indian “students”. When I see those people being replaced by unemployed Maori it will be a sign of change.
  
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  June 27, 2020 4:36pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    EDIT: In all my travels around New Zealand I struggle to recall any Maori working as petrol station cashiers. When I drove to Queenstown a few weeks back, there were Indian “students” at the petrol station in Omarama. I bet I could travel to Northland and find Indian “students” in Kaitaia petrol stations.
    
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    June 27, 2020 5:40pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      We have a few (female) in Gizzy.
      
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      June 27, 2020 5:57pm
  - kwkiwigirl
    
    Actually hadn’t noticed but you are right there abiut the petrol station cashiers Benedict…
    
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    June 27, 2020 10:47pm
I remember when

Lets be really silly and take the Waikato outflow a step further.
The world’s sea levels are rising to what climate change models suggest will be dangerous levels.
Surely every little bit we prevent from reaching the ocean, like our CO2 emissions, is a step in the right direction.
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June 27, 2020 11:15am
lifesgood

No moderator today? My comment has been held for 2 and a half hours….so far.

[Mod: apologies for that]
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June 27, 2020 11:33am
- lifesgood
  
  Sorry for criticism…I know you are volunteers.
  
  [Mod – no need to apologise. These things happen sometimes.]
  
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  June 27, 2020 2:01pm
Philview

Read an article this morning that Mark Patterson’s selection for the Taeri electorate will most likely prevent National’s Liam Kernaghan from winning the seat. Why would NZ First make a strategic decision like that? Easy to conclude that Labour and NZ First have done a deal on another seat.
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June 27, 2020 12:13pm
- RJ
  
  Doesn’t look like a deal to me, he is standing in the district he has been living in.
  
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  June 27, 2020 2:34pm
Don Beckett

Wouldn’t it be great if a lot more Black Americans – and in other countries – had this guys attitude. A black American who can’t stand Black Live Matter.
Enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=984&v=88-dV9K_cHE&feature=emb_title
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June 27, 2020 12:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Don’t know his name, bit I’m sure I have seen him with Candace Owens on her show.
  BLEXIT. They are leaving the plantation
  
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  June 27, 2020 12:28pm
- RJ
  
  A lot of black Americans do speak out against blm. They speak against black on black crime and murder. If you watch the protests and Tito’s they are mainly white peoples, it is all political deception, nothing to do with the black community.
  
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  June 27, 2020 12:30pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    AG Bill Barr gave out some numbers from last year.
    8000 Blacks killed- mainly by black on black
    Only 10 by Police
    Of those 10, 6 were Police shooting in self defence.
    So 4 we’re dubious- still not good.
    But that 10 is down from 38 five years ago.
    The issue is actually poor training.
    Some cops in some cities only get about 75 hours training. It’s ridiculous.
    
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    June 27, 2020 2:23pm
  - RJ
    
    Where the hell, and what the heck is a Tito. That was riots when I posted it, lol.
    
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    June 27, 2020 2:35pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Yes yes of course it was ……..
      
      Now have a cup of tea and a wee lie down …… 🙂
      
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      June 27, 2020 5:18pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  He’s an ex-cop from Tucson Arizona who left the force in late 2017 after some of his videos went viral. His first was after Trump campaign rally in 2016 where he said he felt very unsafe – not from Trump supporters but from the protesters outside.
  
  He has his own media company and comments on topical issues especially around the politics of race – for example he posted recently that police were justified in shooting Rayshard Brooks – the DUI driver who assaulted two policemen, stole a Taser and tried to escape, while firing the Taser at them.
  
  He makes a lot of sense, and the more young black people (especially males) that listen to him and follow his lead, the better for themselves and America.
  
  In an interesting segue, or interpolation, or something (Snopes was mentioned above as being run by rabid lefties, which it is), Snopes attempted to debunk his claim that there’s no such thing as white privilege, and that his success is the proof. I’ve heard Morgan Freeman make the same claim, and they’re both right.
  
  The Snopes attempt was not only laughable, but confirmed their position as rabid lefties, if such confirmation were even needed.
  
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  June 27, 2020 1:35pm
- Lummox
  
  It’s interesting that one of his main points is about being personally responsible.
  
  Jordan Peterson made that same sort of comment when he visited NZ and was made out to be some sort of fascist dictator.
  
  I wonder what sort of reception Tatum would get in this country?
  
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  June 27, 2020 3:30pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Thank you for posting this link. My wife And I were very impressed by what this person said, apparently off the cuff.
  
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  June 27, 2020 6:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

NBC is now pulling The Wizard of Oz because it is offensive to people without brains
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June 27, 2020 12:32pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  That’s a straw man argument if ever there was one.
  …
  
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  June 27, 2020 2:54pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  Now that’s a shame 🙁
  
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  June 27, 2020 3:59pm
fernglas

I see NZ is to be amongst the favoured few non-EU nations to have its citizens allowed to enter Europe. Great; I can’t wait to get out of here, but it seems impossible to do so without at least transiting one of the countries that is on the unsafe list. Let’s hope the detail is favourable when it emerges in a few days.
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June 27, 2020 12:38pm
oldfella

Luvvie leftie journo, Gordon Campbell, goes after the media for supposedly parroting the Nats attack lines, and being unkind to our Dear Leader.
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL2006/S00192/on-the-media-collusion-with-nationals-attack-lines.htm
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June 27, 2020 12:45pm
- Roy
  
  As soon ass I read NZ, safest place on the planet, I choked on my weetbix…..
  
  As soon as this bullshit ceases I will be able to finish a meal without choking….
  
  Maybe Gordon Cambell never looks at what is happening/not happening overseas. has he not heard of Taiwan, Fiji and all the other places in the world that with reference to Covid19 are MUCH safer
  
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  June 27, 2020 3:19pm
RJ

Love old speeches, just listening to Major George Racey Jordan, damn good

From Major Jordans Diaries George Racey Jordan
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June 27, 2020 12:55pm
MT_Tinman

Read the whole article

The latter part of the article demonstrates exactly what the real world is dealing with.
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June 27, 2020 1:03pm
Maggie Pie

WTF?
A black, transgender, lesbian, plus-size activist.
And the newest face of Calvin Klein.

Say no more.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbacMwvUMAA3OxB?format=jpg&name=small
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June 27, 2020 1:04pm
- Durden
  
  If Lizzo can be a star, why not her ?
  
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  June 27, 2020 1:24pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Lizzo isn’t a star mate, you’re having a lend. Zero talent, I’m afraid.
    
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    June 27, 2020 1:42pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Hahaha that’s funny, but offends me deeply. I shall stop buying whatever it is that Calvin Klein sells IMMEDIATELY.
  
  Get woke, go broke CK. Don’t say I didn’t warn you, you’ve lost me as the customer you never had.
  
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  June 27, 2020 1:38pm
- Tall Man
  
  Well that’s “skinny jeans” fucked ……
  
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  June 27, 2020 2:10pm
- JamesP
  
  Sie ist nicht klein.
  
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  June 27, 2020 2:34pm
Maggie Pie

And now i see on twitter today there’s been a demand from some within the BLM community, to change the name of ‘MASTER CARD’.
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June 27, 2020 1:19pm
- rockape
  
  What about my wifes master degree in Nursing sciences?
  
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  June 27, 2020 1:55pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    That’s racist bro
    
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    June 27, 2020 4:16pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      And what about Masterbate?
      
      Asking for a friend 😛
      
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      June 27, 2020 5:20pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Batman will know
        He seems to be an expert
        
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        June 27, 2020 6:20pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Wouldn’t be too sure about Batman TBH.
        But that other wanker ‘IC5000’ that downticks here
        would hold a Masters degree.
        LOL!!
        
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        June 27, 2020 7:30pm
Durden

I can see that the the rewriting of history of the CoL’s Covid management shambles has started with the unquestioning hagiography written by Matt Nippert. Apparently there is podcast, which I might watch after I puke first.

Maybe this is part of the payback for the $50M bailout to be followed soon by yet another $50M or more. The so called “investigative reporter” is writing more like a love struck adolescent. I notice though that he has had a dig at Winston for staying in Northland. Or this is the material for a Nippert book due out before September.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12342847

Nippert simply accepts anecdotal information provided by the two people at the centre of it at face value (i.e. hearsay) without any proper cross checking of the claims or, really any critical questions being asked or analysis.

– Why the hell was Ardern on holiday in Australia at the end of January? Surely, we don’t elect Prime Ministers and give them great responsibility and pay them to have two month holidays. Don’t care what she said to the Fisherman or what he thought. Thank god she did not say she shared it with Neve.

– They closed the border with China (i.e. direct flights) on Feb 2 simply following US and Australia. But how many Chinese Nationals did they let through through other routes/stopovers ? We know this was happening.

— Why did they not shutdown Iran and Italy early which were known to be the next hot spots after China. Did they not hear from their expert advisors that the precautionary principle is more important in pandemics than having to wait for a real case to emerge (evidence) ? By which time it is too late.

— “She says the origin of our first case, and it coming only after suspicious medical staff did the test three times after two came back negative, spoke to the increasing need to make decisions with imperfect information.” Why not dig deeper into this claim to check if it was bullshit. Our lackadasical attitude at the border even in June suggests that unless basic testing was bypassed let alone multiple testing of the same person.

– Who assessed the quality of the modelling information being provided. Maybe she spoke to the friendly commie Ayesha Verral who approved the bullshit from Hendy with his model based on dodgy Imperial college code. Self-promoter and bioluminiscent bacteria expert Floozie Wiles with her inane witterings. Or Rodney Jones the economist and all round dodgy character (currency manipulator with Soros, China favouring advice) with a conflict of interest?

— If PTPM was aware of the impending crisis, what actions was she taking in earnest preparation of the ChCh commemorations on 15 March. We know a number of inwards visitors were arriving specifically for that event. ANd the event was being organised in earnest. How much of preparation was done and to what stage had they advanced?

— Did the DG of Health threaten to resign?

— From 28 January to 14 of March, why did they not prepare with stockpiling for tests, confirm how many usable PPE/masks etc were there and restock, take an actual count of ICU beds available/reconfigurable.

— What was the point of having an alert system when the definition of each level was so variable that one did not know what was to be expected until the day before changes took place ?

— Who came up with the stupid idea of self-isolation of the crowd of returnees who rushed back due to the exhortation by Winston to return by a deadline date? What steps were taken to consider mandatory quarantining and the facilities organisation for that at the time and since then. Seems that we are “reacting” even in late June.

— Pters says “Confidence was based on our logistical capacity to do the backup work and all the monitoring, surveillance and testing. Was I confident at the start? No, because I do not think we were ready,” So why is Peters not asked why we were not ready when things had started boiling by end of Jan ?

Were any of the actions they took more useful than the lucky confluence of NZ’s remoteness, sparse population, the team of 5 million’s meek but magnificient compliance, the wrecking of an economy for years to come, and a great dose of luck ?

One could think the shambles we see now is their luck running out after the hubris demonstrated by Jacinda on international media.

The jig she did with Neve, a ignorant egocentric’s self congratulatory dance on par with Nero’s fiddling?

Well, now the jig is up. Regardless of what toadie Nippert writes.
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June 27, 2020 1:22pm
- Lummox
  
  The great deal of luck you mention also includes the fact that the virus arrived in the flu off-season, and the fact that we have one of the highest levels of UV in the world – which kills the virus very quickly.
  
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  June 27, 2020 3:39pm
Komata

@1323

Excuse me, Duty Mod:

Would you mind telling me please why two IMHO uncontroversial posts I posted @ 0852 and 0956, are still awaiting moderation, yet others also using nomsdecomputer that were posted afterwards ( the most recent being from Maggie Pie @1319) have been cleared for public consumption?

Is there a problem with what I have written?

Thank you.

[Mod – No, the problem is with no Mod looking at the queue for a few hours. All sorted now. Apologies for the delay]
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June 27, 2020 1:30pm
RJ

There are two new Covid-19 cases in managed isolation facilities – and one of them visited Auckland City Hospital before testing positive.

These cases bring the number of active cases in New Zealand to 16, all in managed isolation or quarantine facilities. There are no cases in the community.

One of the cases was a woman in her 20s who arrived from India on June 18. She was staying at the Grand Millenium and tested negative on June 23 after her first test.

On June 26 she was taken by ambulance to Auckland Hospital’s emergency department for a different medical issue and returned to managed isolation after a short period.

Article
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June 27, 2020 1:31pm
- alloytoo
  
  If anybody believes we had no cases enter the country for 21 days then I have a nice (if slightly used) bridge to sell them.
  
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  June 27, 2020 7:05pm
- kwkiwigirl
  
  Seems to be an awful lot of cases coming from India. Covid must be rife there, just looking at the number of them being detected entering New Zealand.
  
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  June 27, 2020 10:50pm
rockape

Winston Peters always decries the polls and the Media always tell us he does better on election night than he polls. We just have to look at polling for 2017 to see the lie.
90 Days out he was polling at an average of 12.5% in the major polls. 60 days out he averaged 14% and 30 days out he averaged 6.1% and got near that at 6.3% on election night. So about half what he was polling 2 or 3 months out. What would that give him this time round other than a heart attack?
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June 27, 2020 1:53pm
- Tall Man
  
  Not sure what it’ll give him but it’ll give the rest of us a sigh of relief.
  
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  June 27, 2020 2:08pm
- septic skeptic
  
  We might finally see the back of this corrupt mob. If that happens I will be happy, even if we get the Cindy & Marama duet.
  
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  June 27, 2020 2:24pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I would definitely not be happy with the Cindy/Marama duet. That would be a road to Venezuela.
    For all his faults at least Winston is a handbrake on communism.
    TWO TICKS BLUE.
    
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    June 27, 2020 4:01pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      Have you forgotten that Winston went against the electorate in order to set NZ on this course? It’s a bit like a Mafia protection racket!
      
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      June 27, 2020 4:22pm
    - kwkiwigirl
      
      Winston would like to have you believe that he exerts that level of control but in fact he just goes missing in action once he has his baubles of office only to surface 2-3 months out from the election.
      
      He will shortly have to either play the race card again or else give massive handouts to retirees to get himself back in. Failing that he will be hoping Jones takes the Northland seat which I still think is not out of the realms of possibility.
      
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      June 27, 2020 10:54pm
  - kwkiwigirl
    
    National running Lance O’Sullivan in Northland wont work as he is too white for the Maoris up there. Apparently Jones is from Northland and resonates with the locals up there.
    
    At any rate Ardern will play the greens off with NZF. I’m hoping the momentum National has based on the last poll continues. Fingers crossed.
    
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    June 27, 2020 11:03pm
lifesgood

Apparently the Bishop of Canterbury is examining all the statues and art in Canterbury cathedral because they do not reflect black ethnicities. What a fruit loop! At the time the art was done it reflected the people of Britain. There were near to no people of any other ethnicity than white European. If he used his obviously very tiny brain he would know that if you go to Africa or China, of the Philipines etc their religious images reflect their local cultures. Would Europeans in Africa insist they remove images of a black Christ , of which there are plenty, from their churches?
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June 27, 2020 2:08pm
All_on_Red

Hey, didn’t Mohammed own slaves?
Just sayin’
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June 27, 2020 2:24pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  Hell no.
  
  They were all adoring acolytes who voluntarily placed themselves and their equally adoring families in service to the great one – exactly as the NZ slime have done for their great leader (although some of the “service” is a bit different).
  
  Note to mods: See how self-controlled I was not mentioning the great one was only trying to f&^k the children while the current great leader is trying to f&^k the whole country, man, woman, others and child.
  
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  June 27, 2020 4:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Indeed, he did
  The names of some are listed here:
  https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Slavery#The_Slaves.27_Names
  
  Mariah (Mary) the Copt is perhaps best known…
  https://icraa.org/maria-copt-muhammad-wife-concubine/
  
  https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09596410.2010.500475
  
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  June 27, 2020 5:00pm
JibberJabber

Never piss off a sheep, no means no…
https://twitter.com/AwardsDarwin/status/1276687397665869825
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June 27, 2020 2:55pm
Jack5

What’s the deal with big advertisers such as Coca-Cola and Unilever boycotting Facebook to force it to implement hate-speech controls?

The pressure wiped $US56 billion off the value of Facebook shares on Friday, dropping their price 8 per cent.

Coke and Unilever are two of the word’s biggest advertisers. Honda and the telecommunications giant Verizon are among the others in the boycott.

The Jewish group, the Anti-Defamation League, one of the lead organisers of the advertiser boycott, said changes announced yesterday by Facebook chief Mark Zuckerberg were small.

The Daily Mail reports Facebook did put a warning label on a video posted by the Republican National Committee about “left-wing anarchists,” and showing burning police cars alongside snippets of speeches made by Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors as well as Democrats Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

The Facebook warning reads: “This video may show violent or graphic content. We covered this video so you can decide if you want to see it.”

Bloomberg reports that Facebook ” … has been less aggressive than competitors Twitter Inc. and Snap Inc. in responding to what employees and advertisers say are harmful posts from U.S. President Donald Trump, as well as incendiary content that goes viral.”

Bloomberg says Facebook accounts for about 23 per cent of the U.S. digital advertising market, according to EMarketer. Facebook dominates social media with more than three billion users of all its properties.

I hope the US boycott doesn’t encourage NZ Labour’s Little and the other would-be tyrant-controllers of free speech in New Zealand.
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June 27, 2020 4:00pm
RJ

Well shit, who is going to voice the yellow characters. Could be the end of these shows, people are sick of this political bullshit. Perhaps Bart Simpson can be voiced by a yellow male instead of a woman.

White actors will no longer voice characters of colour in animated series The Simpsons and Family Guy.

The Simpsons broadcaster Fox released a statement saying: “Moving forward, The Simpsons will no longer have white actors voice non-white characters.”

Stuff Article

Who is funding Black Lives Matter and why?
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June 27, 2020 4:01pm
- Jack5
  
  If anyone were funding BLM, rational candidates would be China, Putin, or oil-rich fanatic Muslims. Who else would want BLM to break the West?
  
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  June 27, 2020 5:06pm
- JackRabbit
  
  So if Whites can’t act the part of blacks, why is it Ok for females to act as males, and males to act as females as in LGTBQIX?
  
  Surely if you can change your sexuality based on how you feel, despite having the bits you were born with, surely you can play a black part if you identify with a black persona for an acting part?
  
  Isn’t white people playing blacks just part of the diversity they say we need?
  
  Should be ban Michael Jackson music because he was a black identifying as a White??
  
  Something I’m really OK with is banning Maori language classes in schools. White people are White, and shouldn’t be forced to identify as Maori. Maori language classes are Racist!!!!!
  
  And the whole LGTBQIX needs to be removed from the media. Biggest masquerading bullshit on the planet. You can do what you like in your own crib, don’t push it in other peoples’ faces.
  
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  June 27, 2020 6:51pm
- alloytoo
  
  Perhaps we should start a call to prevent gay people from representing straight characters…..
  
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  June 27, 2020 7:09pm
KevO'Brien

The new black’s all yellow!
You get white by mixing red, white and blue light.
Brown? That just white without blue…
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June 27, 2020 4:44pm
- Jack5
  
  Kevin:
  
  Colours are interesting. Some argue that black and white aren’t really colours at all. (First link below).
  
  Others argue that white is a colour, being a mixture of all colours, while black isn’t a colour at all, being the absence of colours. You can argue the reverse of this, too. (Second link below).
  
  So, under at least one definition it would be correct to say “whites and other people of colour”, and meaning not-including people with black skins.
  
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  https://www.britannica.com/story/are-black-and-white-colors
  
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  https://www.colormatters.com/color-and-design/are-black-and-white-colors
  
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  June 27, 2020 5:04pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Correction:
  
  You get white by mixing red, green and blue light, but you get black by mixing red, green and blue pigments (paint).
  
  Now politically is another story.
  Red = Labour
  Green = Greens
  National = Blue
  Act = Yellow
  NZF = Black.
  
  Black: “Black is the color of the hidden, the secretive and the unknown, creating an air of mystery. It keeps things bottled up inside, hidden from the world.” Winston through and through.
  
  Blue: “Blue is the color of trust and peace. It can suggest loyalty and integrity as well as conservatism and objectiveness.”
  
  Green: “Green is the color of balance and growth. It can mean both self-reliance as a positive but also possessiveness as a negative.” – We will get into Government and covet our place, even if it means sacrificing our principles.
  
  Yellow: “Yellow is the color of the mind and the intellect. It is optimistic and cheerful. ” I like that about Act.
  
  Red: “Is the color of energy, passion, action, ambition and determination. It is also the color of anger and sexual passion or ardour(n).” Cindy manages by exuding passion and sexual pheromones, seducing the public with her feminine charm, much like the Pied Piper.
  
  Combining any pigments on the melting pot ultimately ends up with Black or Brown. Not good.
  
  Combining Light:
  If we have only Red and Green, we get Brown being dominant. If we add Black, it casts a dark outlook.
  
  If we get rid of Green and Red, we get Blue.
  
  If we add Yellow to Blue, we still have some Green, balance plus regeneration as well.
  
  Blue and Green are actually more Green than Greens, who can’t survive without Red. Greens run after Red like little puppy dogs because they have no balls to stick to their own principles. Stick to principles would mean standing up to Red, cutting the umbilical cord, and fading away into obscurity.
  
  Red with more exposure (White Light shined upon it) becomes Pink: “The color psychology of pink is “love” and nurturing. Pink can also be immature, silly and girlish.”
  
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  June 27, 2020 6:31pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I like the getting rid of green and red bit.
    
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    June 27, 2020 9:32pm
RJ

What a joke. I hope the election commission is watching these jokes as we go into a campaign. Was it kindness that has meant hundreds of people will die from cancer because she shut the hospitals when they had no Covid patients in them, or all the people left in pain suffering from the operations they should of been having. More like a beer full of lies she told to the public

Have you ever wondered what Jacinda Ardern’s kindness would taste like – if it was a beer?

Wellington-based Double Vision Brewing has come up with the drop for fans of the Prime Minister – a new brew named ‘Juice Cinda’.

“This beer is a celebration of kindness, community and exceptional leadership,” the brewery says.

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June 27, 2020 5:33pm
- JackRabbit
  
  “Have you ever wondered what Jacinda Ardern’s kindness would taste like – if it was a beer?”
  
  Tranquilizer dart fluid plus Raspberry. You taste the raspberry which is all sweet and sticky, but masking the real ingredient, which you realise after it is too late.
  
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  June 27, 2020 6:39pm
- alloytoo
  
  Must be a bitter.
  
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  June 27, 2020 7:10pm
Pheobe

After months of delays, it’s been reported again that the Government is on the verge of purchasing the land at Ihumātao using $30 million of taxpayer money.

This would be a disgraceful capitulation to illegal occupiers.

However, we understand that New Zealand First Leader Winston Peter is furious about the deal and had a tense exchange with the Prime Minister on Tuesday night. He has the power to block the deal at the 11th hour and gain huge publicity.

Jordan texted Winston yesterday to remind him of our petition against the deal, which has 11,000 signatures. We’re watching very closely.
Louis Houlbrooke • team@taxpayers.org.nz

He writes some very good articles.
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June 27, 2020 6:30pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

The Hydroxychloroquine scandal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBI_pobBfck&t=1214s
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June 27, 2020 8:00pm
rouppe

Minneapolis has voted to abolish their police force

Sure they say they’ll replace it with a “Department of Community Safety and Violence Prevention” (snigger) but what are the chances of the majority of the police department resigning and leaving the city completely unprotected. They’d get what they deserve then
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