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Mike

Happy World Oceans Day!
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June 8, 2020 8:02am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Same ocean that could have allowed covid19 to pass us by, if these incompetent fools had not left the door open?
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:48am
  - IC5000
    
    Agree. Look at what happened when Trump and Johnson kept their borders open.
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:46am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  All at sea as usual. Not any particular ocean?
  Could it be more Pacific?
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:58am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Get in the Ocean Mike…
  
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  June 8, 2020 1:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just working out how to disguise Level 1 as Level 2/3. A Claytons level. Let you all know later.
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June 8, 2020 8:05am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Gotta keep the kiddies in the sandpit.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Socialists do not relinquish their control without a fight
    
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    June 8, 2020 8:34am
    - Littletramp
      
      Trump registers polling support of 40% of possible black voters and voila! Race riots and Trump is suddenly a racist responsible for all the problems black people face in the Democrat run cities. He wasn’t a racist in October in 2017, or in the 70 odd years prior to that? Join the dots.
      
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      June 8, 2020 8:59am
    - James Stephenson
      
      “You can vote your way into Socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.”
      
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      June 8, 2020 1:24pm
- mjw
  
  I listened to a clip of Boris Johnson speaking the other day, and he didn’t sound the same. He clearly has some kind of lung damage and you can hear it in his voice. Presumably this is only a feature for the 10% who get really seriously ill, but it does make wonder what the long-term prognosis is for those cases.
  
  Has anybody else heard him before and after COVID? I would be interested to know what you think. Maybe I am imagining it!
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:56am
  - IC5000
    
    Lung damage through scarring may be permanent in many so for those who think that herd immunity is a viable solution take a look at the fucking consequences.
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:48am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Any lung infection can result in scarring.. I have scarring in a lung from a respiratory infection….
      
      It’s not the end of the world…stop scaremongering IC
      
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      June 8, 2020 1:07pm
      - IC5000
        
        East to say when haven’t read about people being incapable to walking or being active for long.
        
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        June 8, 2020 1:54pm
- Nickc2
  
  I think it will be “I listened to the people” crap. In other words, she has been told her novelty value is wearing thin.
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:03am
- Scooter
  
  From what I see, outside NZ (thank god) level 1 means nothing until the borders are open and people can travel in and out. That’s the only way the economy will start moving.
  
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  June 8, 2020 10:15pm
Simon

Auckland Shitty Council heading to Administration. They need some adults in charge to make the hard decisions.

Unless there is massive immigration from the third world none of Auckland Shitty white elephant projects make sense. They don’t work regardless.

Some adults to close projects down and a planned system of asset sales to retire debt over a number of years. Otherwise the clowns in charge will panic and start selling assets for cents on the dollar.
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June 8, 2020 8:09am
- Nickc2
  
  Agree, Ports of Auckland and council shares in Auckland Airport will be the first to go.
  The Govt. will probably buy PoA and move the operation to Whangarei if Goff can’t get a half decent offer from the Chinese. AKLD Airport will probably be sold to a Canadian pension fund.
  Any other guesses?
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:12am
- Hard Cheese
  
  Yep. The rot started with Pants Down Brown and his ridiculous CRL train set boondoggle.
  
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  June 8, 2020 1:41pm
Scott

I know that many people think that Donald Trump is going to lose the election in November. But I am not so sure? The jobs report for the month has the US economy adding 2.5 million jobs. This was an outstanding result and it may be that the United States is on a path for massive economic recovery. If so that will greatly help Trumps path to re-election.
But the other issue is his opponent. Joe Biden is not the unlikeable Hillary Clinton. However he is struggling to even speak in coherent sentences. This interview that I have linked to comes from The View, where he has a panel of doting women who totally want to see him succeed. And he cannot even answer their delicately phrased questions. Honestly – how do you think this guy is going to go in a debate against Trump? Because Trump will not hold back.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1268612366133911557
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June 8, 2020 8:12am
- Raphael
  
  Not only that there are an increasing number of life long Democrat voters (who are not Left wing activitists) who are seriously considering voting Trump.
  
  Tim Pool talks about it in this video:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKiohdHcTqk
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Also BLEXIT. The blacks are leaving the plantation. See Candace Owens
    
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    June 8, 2020 8:39am
  - BeeJay
    
    Sadly, Tim is a true blue Bernie supporter (Anyone but Biden) known to sometimes stretch the truth and sit on the fence! (Known to be left wing/right wing?)
    
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    June 8, 2020 8:59am
    - Raphael
      
      Tim dropped his support for Bernie ages ago (after the 2016 campaign.) He was supporting Yang.
      
      Anyone supporting Biden is engaging in Elder Abuse
      
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      June 8, 2020 9:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The View is wholesale rubbish
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:43am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I suspect the Dems strategy is to elect the defunct, dementing Biden and pickup the VP, Moochelle.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:52am
  - Harriet
    
    A lot of Dem voters – blacks included – will see that as a step backwards.
    Black talk is that “Obama did nothing for us” and after all, Obama in his two terms largely aided gays, women and muslims, compared to blacks in general.
    
    Meanwhile Trump has given blacks jobs in a time when US blacks don’t like to be taken for granted or are treated tokenlike, and that’s all they see now in Democrat land — a plantation paddock for black voters, another for gays…..
    
    Trump will shit in. 😎
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:28am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    I don’t think Biden will be selected at all. At the DNC it will a bait and switch. To me the real question will be whom is he being switched with. We will see.
    
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    June 8, 2020 11:07am
  - freethinker
    
    Kev – I suspect the Dems have a hidden strategy to make it look like Biden wins but using a brokered convention will slime in a Hillary/Michelle/Pelosi or other Soros candidate.
    
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    June 8, 2020 11:28am
- Littletramp
  
  Remember Trump is the master of reality TV. As we approach the grand finale of the November election, do you think we will see Trump use all the levers he pulls as President to show up the Democrats for what they are or will he meekly let them push him around as our media expect?
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:02am
- DeepBlue
  
  Now on Twitter it says “According to Reuters and PolitiFact, the video has been edited in a misleading way.”
  
  No matter, it will show in the live debates/speeches.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:25am
- chaos
  
  Creepy joe won’t be standing against trump, there is more to come out about him. It will make it impossible for him to run.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:25am
  - sooty
    
    Will he be in jail?
    
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    June 8, 2020 1:10pm
    - chaos
      
      No
      
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      June 8, 2020 1:20pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Biden is a mess. Here’s an example that would have been in the news if Trump said it:
  
  “Instead of standing there and teaching a cop, when there’s an unarmed person coming at them with a knife or something, you shoot them in the leg instead of in the heart is a very different thing.”
  
  https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-police-could-shoot-assailants-in-the-leg-instead-of-the-heart-201750470.html
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:42am
- Nickc2
  
  Biden should be getting measured up for an Orange Jump Suit (penal attire) as we speak. IMHO, he is impeachable and a candidate for prison time even before the elections.
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:19am
- IC5000
  
  The US has just lost over 20 million jobs. More like getting back to the same position it was in 2006.
  
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  June 8, 2020 1:11pm
Justitia

A sad day for New Zealand under an increasingly doctrinaire and divisive government. Racial profiling and preference is being implemented in the scheduling of surgical procedures by an increasing number of DHBs, obviously following a confidential government directive. Here is the Capital and Coast District Health Board announcement: https://www.ccdhb.org.nz/news-publications/news-and-media-releases/2020-05-28-planned-surgery-maori-and-pacific-patients/. When the policy first came to light a week ago Health Minister Clark batted it away as an “operational matter”. It is anything but. It is a matter of huge ethical and moral importance, and frankly the most evil policy introduced by any government in my lifetime. This kind of thinking will greatly aggravate race relations, but perhaps that’s what Jacinda wants in order to divide and rule? New Zealanders must protest this wickedness and throw this vile government on the dustheap of history where it belongs. Any word from Todd and Nikki on this or are Act left to do all the heavy lifting?
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June 8, 2020 8:12am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Such a policy is plainly unlawful as all citizens have equal rights.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:54am
  - Justitia
    
    “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”.
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Call it what it is. Racism. Using race to buy votes
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:21am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It needs challenging in the Courts.
      
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      June 8, 2020 9:33am
  - igm
    
    Do not be fooled, as a white person you only qualify as a money provider for leeches, the Labour way.
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:13am
    - IC5000
      
      So there are no white people on the dole then? Gotta love it when people come up with idiot statements that can easily be disproved within seconds
      
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      June 8, 2020 10:50am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        I miss Stepieboy… a much better class of risible troll….
        
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        June 8, 2020 1:12pm
      - igm
        
        There are unemployed and unemployable. Leeching Labourites fall into the latter category.
        
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        June 8, 2020 1:49pm
  - Paulus
    
    KevO
    Citizens in Aotearoa do not have equal rights any more.
    Some have all the rights they want – and more to come.
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:40am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Have they all turned into jellyfish at the sound of the regal Ardern R.’s voice?
      
      How much longer must we tolerate this bumbling amateur selection?
      ☑️☑️We will return☑️☑️
      
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      June 8, 2020 3:15pm
  - freethinker
    
    Does that include the right to erect roadblocks, or is that right only available to The Special People ?
    
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    June 8, 2020 11:31am
- Littletramp
  
  They (Liberal lefties) realise that unless they keep minority groups dependent on them they will improve their lives into middle class and then vote National. Why don’t Maori just step up and compete. They have the skills, education and resources in their young people to make their own waves. How patronising and condescending for Labour to keep telling Maori they need privileges above the rest to have a fair go in life.
  Get rid of the Maori seats, and vote qualified young Maori in to Parliament on merit.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:06am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “Get rid of the Maori seats, and vote qualified young Maori in to Parliament on merit.”
    
    Such as Tania Tapsell for example.
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:44am
  - Nickc2
    
    Wasn’t Winston advocating for the abolition of Maori seats?
    Good to see he has made great headway on that one.
    
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    June 8, 2020 11:29am
    - Pharmachick
      
      To be fair, Shane Jones is standing Northland… not [technically] a Māori seat…
      
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      June 8, 2020 2:20pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  How is a “Maori patient” defined? (I assume the same as for other institutions in this country, such as universities.)
  
  So, if you are 1/8th Maori, but have the documentation and registration with your iwi, you are “Maori” and eligible for special treatment.
  
  This is an injustice. You should be receiving medical treatment based on your need; not on your racial classification.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:12am
  - Jack5
    
    If you are one 32nd Ngai Tahu you might qualify for Maori priority entry to Medical School. That is, if one of your 32 great-great-great grandparents was a South Island Maori.
    
    Because whalers and sealers began settling and intermarrying with Maori in the far south of NZ from about 1820 (200 years ago) that’s feasible. We’ve had a recent head of the tribe who was blue-eyed and fair-haired.
    
    The high rate of intermarriage between white and Maori in NZ since the beginning (and long may it continue) means our biracial structure differs from that in most “white settler” countries.
    
    Many who pronounce on race issues in New Zealand are Indian, Middle Easterners, and now even black Africans. I say “black Africans” because these folk are well outnumbered in NZ by white folk from South Africa. If NZ Chinese have views on the country’s race relations, you seldom hear them – apart, naturally, from the race relations head honcho, Meng Foon.
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:09am
    - seismac
      
      Hey Hey sonny boy it gets very cold down in southern districts so it was necessary to cuddle up to the local wahine in Foveaux Strait in winter so often a plug of tobacco and some ships blankets were the engagement present for Kai Tahu so for those of us with pale skin but still with the white forelock doesnt rule us out to vote !! Even at 1/32
      
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      June 8, 2020 4:29pm
  - Harriet
    
    Triage is not a trinket to entice natives into the hospital system, it’s a hospital system used primarily as best health practise so all people get best health practise. Witch doctors probably use the same system.
    
    It simply overloads the health system as it becomes over busy with untimely and unneeded consultations leading to confusion and disruptions within the health system.
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:24am
  - Paulus
    
    Every time you get a prescription the Doctor signs your ethnicity (top right hand site).
    Otherwise say in any medical requirements you will be asked by say nurse so she can put on form.
    You may be asked if you are a NZ Citizen – for payment purpose.
    After over 50 years as a Citizen I have been asked a few times – because I speak proper English.
    Even have had to send copy of Passport details for Hospital records.
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:45am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Mate.. I ‘feel’ Maori and self identify as Maori. Who has a right to challenge me if I make the claim?
    
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    June 8, 2020 1:14pm
  - Michael NZ
    
    Most Doctors I know think the same way Odakyu, it is the administration who are doing this.
    
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    June 8, 2020 2:14pm
- Two bob
  
  and if they gave pakeha a bit of a cue jump that would be screamed at as systemic racism.
  
  I used to support the push for equality (gender and racial) untill several years ago it started to become clear that those tribal groups didnt actually want equality but infact want speacial privilidges, lately this is more so of the alphabet groups but has been extremely obvious in maori activists for decades.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:23am
- zulumonster
  
  This is designed “to improve access to health care for Maori and Pacific people.” What does that actually mean – can’t they fit through the doors or something?
  How does this policy improve their access, other than prioritising them on the basis of race?
  
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  June 8, 2020 1:30pm
  - Michael NZ
    
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    Actually turning up for booked appointments would help for one
    
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    June 8, 2020 2:15pm
gorse

Everyone I have dealings with live life at level 0. Even all the shops I go into don’t make you sign “the register”, it’s there, most people ignore it. The virus is gone until the Government allows it to be imported again. Film makers etc could bring it in.
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June 8, 2020 8:13am
- Raphael
  
  Two of my kids had their first soccer games of the season this weekend.
  We were sent letters last week telling us to come an hour earlier and that we all would have to scan the QR code and sign in, and that we would not be allowed to stand alongside the field etc. Only one parent should attend etc.
  No QR code, no signing in, and everyone was carrying on as per normal.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:36am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “until the Government allows it to be imported again”
  The govt. was responsible for the first importation.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The trouble with registers is the shady bunch are photographing them to create targeted advertising. Real Estate agents are the worst culprits
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:54am
  - marcw
    
    I wonder who the poor sap is who is getting their calls to my made up number? D Mallard is an elusive target.
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:11am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yes. The other day I signed as ‘Donald Duck, Hollywood’
      
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      June 8, 2020 9:22am
- RightNow
  
  Even my friends who dote on Cindy are sharing joints again.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:56am
  - MCos
    
    Shock Horror on many levels!
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:11am
- Jules99
  
  My life is back to normal now, except the sauna at the pool is still closed. Business picked up after L2, but I know it is just a surge before the great crash.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:25am
- Two bob
  
  Yup even level 3 and 4 only some were rigid and most were relaxed. those that would force a sign in it was clear that many had used ficticious names and ph numbers… 1 contact form had several visits from jacinda ardern that day I wanted a photo but the shop wouldnt allow it (Fear of media backlash I guess)
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:28am
Harriet

United against the Invisible Enemy of all humanity, I bless you and the First Lady, the beloved American nation, and all men and women of good will.

You are either of light and good order or you are against us. 😎
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June 8, 2020 8:15am
- BeeJay
  
  What on earth are you waffling about? I’ve read your post quite a few times and have finally decided – I’ve got no idea what you’re on about!
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:36am
  - RichardX
    
    As is normal for Harriet, it is a quote lifted from elsewhere without attribution.
    Apparently it is trending on facebook.
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:09am
  - Harriet
    
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/06/trump_gets_a_boost_from_an_unexpected_catholic_church_ally.html
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:32am
    - IC5000
      
      Why anyone would listen to an institution complicit in the protracted and continuing coverup of paedophila by its members is beyond me.
      
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      June 8, 2020 10:54am
      - Michael NZ
        
        Damm, I find myself agreeing with you IC5000, but no uptick from me yet.
        
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        June 8, 2020 2:17pm
      - IC5000
        
        Do a John Key and swallow a dead rat
        
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        June 8, 2020 3:47pm
Prince

Having been out and about on the weekend I was reminded that, despite Ardern’s apparent popularity, Kiwis do their own thing anyway. We are already at Level 1. Hugs, walking in groups, shopping without ‘logging in’ were commonplace.
I did notice some (very few) disapproving looks, invariably from middle aged matrons. Everyone else was back to normal.
Reminded me of John Key’s Flag episode. No matter how popular the PM, and how worthy the cause, Kiwis like to take the opportunity to assert their freedoms and give a fingered salute to those who seek to manage us.
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June 8, 2020 8:15am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Except JK, put it to the people and only voiced his OPINION.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:42am
- Gravelroad
  
  I would replace “manage” with “control” in your last sentence, Prince.
  We are under the control of a woman who has far exceeded her remit for “running the country.”
  You only have to look at her school rules list.
  The headmistress speaks and we all bow down – especially those who wish to be school prefects next year.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:44am
- MT_Tinman
  
  One thing I am still noticing, almost always from middle-aged sheilas, is fear.
  
  Whenever they are faced with a situation where they may have to get within six feet of strangers they look terrified.
  
  Given that there is no Covid-19 in the South Island, virtually none in NZ, I can only attribute this abject fear to the CoL’s obviously successful attempts to cower the population.
  
  NZ has never faced evil like this before.
  
  We must rid ourselves of it!
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:49am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I know people (women really) who will not set foot out the door unless St Jacinda says it’s OK.
    “Will we meet for coffee”. – is it safe? what would Jacinda say?
    Time for our group meeting? – we will have to wait and see if Jacinda says the time is right – she saved us.
    I just cannot believe it – as Victor Meldrew would say.
    It is a phenomenon of dependency that I have never seen before. Our courageous pioneers of all races
    would be embarrassed, surely.
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:09am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      There is a group of blokes at my club who haven’t come back since the club reopened 3 weeks ago and won’t come back until Level 1, because they are being ‘careful’.
      And to a man they can’t stand Cindy and her ‘government’.
      She clearly has magical powers.
      
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      June 8, 2020 10:50am
    - C J Southern
      
      I LITERALLY read one FB post who said – and I quote – “Jacinda is an angel sent by God to save us”.
      
      What’s even scarier than that is the thought that these types of posters both vote and breed.
      
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      June 8, 2020 4:07pm
  - IC5000
    
    Are you sure it’s not just you that has this effect on them?
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:55am
  - tui47
    
    Many of those middle aged matrons would have been the ones busy ringing the nark your neighbour line during lockdown.
    
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    June 8, 2020 12:54pm
    - IC5000
      
      I knew they were enemies of freedom. Their deliberate avoidance of Tinman is actually a blessing in disguise.
      
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      June 8, 2020 1:14pm
      - MT_Tinman
        
        For both parties.
        
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        June 8, 2020 3:32pm
    - seismac
      
      The middle aged female bunch will now have to find another occupation to pester defenceless blokes rather than be genuine narks
      
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      June 8, 2020 4:35pm
G152

All those full throated protesting crowds worldwide may, sadly, have created a secondary wave of the virus.
And whats worse as the virus affects the lungs their cry of ‘I cant breath’ may sadly come true.
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June 8, 2020 8:17am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  There will be no second wave, we have been had people.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:21am
  - Two bob
    
    was hardly even a first wave, it was really just a small wave of returning NZers that were infected.
    
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    June 8, 2020 12:04pm
- MCos
  
  It’s a funny old world we live in.
  I’ve just read a number of comments ostensibly grizzling because we have no, sorry one case of Covid-19, brought about by stringent controls over a relatively short period of time, and now a comment complaining about protests in countries with stringent controls over much longer periods of time.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:29am
Michael NZ

Finally Hilary in court.
It’s a start.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/02/hillary-clinton-must-testify-in-email-case-judge-rules.html?fbclid=IwAR28fO1y6fkUnzsHm_JCLs6F83WeoCdSHz4P03lL0ypqC5XqTPcFcXraywU
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June 8, 2020 8:17am
Simon

Some large NZ contractors crying over big awards going to overseas companies. Who gives a rats arse about NZ shareholders losing out to the work? Must try harder.
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June 8, 2020 8:17am
- chaos
  
  You obviously don’t care about kiwis having jobs, and the money remaining in the country at a critical point in our history where the govt has caused massive lay offs, companies to go bust, and kill3d this country for a long time to come. The best thing right now is to keep all infrastructure jobs and money local.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:28am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Don’t let Peter Beck’s customers hear you saying that.
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:44am
  - MCos
    
    Tell me, chaos, is everything in your house sourced from New Zealand?
    Personally I had foreign bananas and grapes for breakfast and this here iPad is Chinese.
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:06am
    - Tall Man
      
      How do you work a Chinese iPad? Why not get an english one?
      
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      June 8, 2020 11:01am
    - chaos
      
      Tell me mcos, can we do these infrastructure jobs local? Are there parts or people that need to do them that can not be found in nz. Unlike many things that are imported into NZ, these are things that can and should be done in nz. But alas that is why some countries understand this and are even bringing jobs back into their countries while nz continues to export jobs overseas. Tell me Mcos, when so many people are losing their jobs, and the country is broke why you would prefer the jobs and money do not remain in country.
      
      Personally I’m still eating grapes off my grapevines, but alas, a stupid person would compare products nz doesn’t make like iPads with infrastructure work that can keep hundreds in job, keep the money local and see a lot go back into the govt accounts. And yes local products are here I buy them, rather support nz
      
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      June 8, 2020 11:30am
    - Jack5
      
      Ipads are made by Foxconn in China, but Foxconn is a Taiwanese company, founded by Terry Gou, of Taiwan.
      
      Gou has been urging Apple to move manufacturing out of China.
      
      In December, Foxconn said it had difficulty recruiting workers for a $US10 billion plant it if building in Wisconsin, and elsewhere Gou has complained about high labour costs in the United States. Foxconn has several plants in Europe, and others in countries including Brazil, India, and Malaysia,
      
      Foxconn’s biggest factory, in Shenzhen, China, employs more than 100,000 workers manufacturing Apple iPhones.
      
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      June 8, 2020 1:28pm
Inandout

After today, and with no ‘second wave’, this could be the last Cindy & Ash Show. I hear the ratings for the show have been dropping like concrete parachutes of late.
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June 8, 2020 8:18am
- MCos
  
  Makes sense.
  They dropped the show a while ago.
  
  Keep up.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:30am
  - Inandout
    
    You ain’t seen the last of the shows.
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:00am
  - 3-coil
    
    MCos – did they drop it when the ratings slumped?
    
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    June 8, 2020 11:10am
- DeepBlue
  
  Surely, no one tunes in to hear the same message again for nearly a month*. It’s like playschool on repeat.
  
  *Except people whose circumstances mean they want Lockdown to go on forever.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:31am
  - Inandout
    
    DB, I heard some public servants are ‘afraid’ of returning to their offices. They would rather stay home on full pay.
    
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    June 8, 2020 12:05pm
JibberJabber

The UK is Fucked,
https://twitter.com/addicted2newz/status/1269717926136823809

The British Police Force brought to its knees by craven weakness of its hierarchy.
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June 8, 2020 8:21am
- igm
  
  Sad to see the perpetrators are definitely not of British descent, yet they get affirmative media attention.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:38am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  That’s not the UK. That’s Londonistan.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:54am
  - Harriet
    
    They had the BLM protests in Aussie last night — it’s largely about Abo deaths in custody.
    
    All the photos on the net this morning showing people in confrontation with police are — African!!!
    
    Useful idiots, racists, police haters and ignorant losers who should all go home!! 😎
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:10am
    - Inandout
      
      Harriet, your average Floydist wouldn’t have a clue about Australia’s truly native residents who have been there I think 40,000 years. There are more pictures of US blacks, remember.
      
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      June 8, 2020 10:04am
- Letterman
  
  Ahhh……………..the consequences of appeasement reveals itself again.
  
  Our Police force won’t be far behind.
  
  Strumming guitars with illegal Maori land invaders at Ihumatau, enabling illegal Maori roadblocks during lock-down, and providing a “batphone” to Maori gang leaders at the highest level of Police?
  
  Probably a recipe for a Civil War, if there are enough NZ citizens who can be bothered to shift their focus from their screens to their society.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:31am
  - Jack5
    
    Not just sucking up to Maori vigilantes, but to Muslims, and even to gangs!
    
    Meanwhile, the law abiding majority get hammered – over sporting guns, over minor traffic breaches (they’re the only ones who have to pay fines – look at the millions of fines written off each year).
    
    The police are tough on their own middle-stream whites, too. Remember the Queenstown sergeant, who, on a weekend off and pissed, had a run-in with a non-white taxi driver? She was kicked out of the police.
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:50am
- Nickc2
  
  Yes, the rot started when university graduate seat polishers (shiny arses) were put in positions of responsibility within the force.
  IMHO the same thing is happening here, coupled with an interpretation of ‘diversity’ (race-based recruitment and promotion).
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:53am
I remember when

The AM Show:
Your ideas. New Zealand Solutions.
Does that mean there has been a meltdown?
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June 8, 2020 8:28am
DeepBlue

“The latest Ministry of Social Development figures show the percentage of 18 to 29-year-olds on the job seeker’s allowance rose from 4.1 per cent to 6.5 per cent between February and April. Meanwhile, those aged 30 to 64 on the job seeker’s allowance grew from 2.3 to 3 per cent.” Stuff

Sad for all, but will any reporter ask whether the 30+ age are couples and therefore many will not be eligible for job seekers?
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June 8, 2020 8:33am
- chaos
  
  If laid off because of covid there are no restrictions o. People applying for jobseekers version 2.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:30am
- Tricati
  
  No doubt the increase in minimum wage has had an effect on the numbers – Will only get worse once wage subsidies end.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:31am
oldpark

The recently purchased newspaper Dominion Post and the new owner seem to know nothing about business and improving the imagine of their daily Paper better known as Stuff .
One would think they must try harder doubly harder to get their newspaper sales up . Yet they seem to have learnt nothing and the reason why their forebears bit the dust .
Take the Capital City Wellington visibility struggling for improved traction for Businesses and its Citizens in desperate need of some type of good news and positive stimulation. Like “Absolutely Positively Wellington”.Seems not to be.
Wonder who allowed the dumbo reporter and their negative story about a Nightshelter.Also a photo of a City Councillor from the worst Council in NZ infested with Labour/Green wannabes bleating about the state of the shelter.
Never mind the Night Shelter needing help, how about the City of Wellingtons Council doing something positive about improving some of the services which the City desperately needs ,instead of every time the new Mayor Andy Foster proposes improvement, his ideas get vetoed by the self imposed hurty feelings of most of that council because their out of control Mayor Justin Lester dumped by Wellington Ratepayers.
Yet one of the main antagonists against the Mayors’ ideas maybe even the enemy within Fleur Fitzsimons virtually leads the charge against his positive vision, has the gall to bleat and complain about a Night Shelter.
As for the Dominion Post alias Stuff if they want to progress beyond going into receivership they should get real and help make “Wellington City Great Again” . Stories on Nightshelters and negative Councillors FFS.
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June 8, 2020 8:34am
- Michael NZ
  
  Oldpark
  It’s the Labour/Greens
  Fleur Fitzsimons, Sarah Free (Deputy Mayor), Iona Pannett (ex chair of infrastructure committee), Jill Day (ex deputy Mayor), Tamantha Paul, Peter Gilberd. Teri O’Neil, Rebecca Mathews.
  yep Andy has a few foxes in the henhouse.
  and it’s costing ratepayers a packet.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12327119
  
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  June 8, 2020 3:00pm
- Mike
  
  I’m just curious as to what oldpark found so wrong about a story on the abysmal state of the Wellington Night Shelter.
  
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  June 8, 2020 3:36pm
Liberty

The Labour coalition has refused an exemption for the crew of a fishing boat. To enable a million dollar ship repair. On dubious grounds it is a covid risk. The results being the likely layoffs of skilled workers in Nelson.
Meanwhile the labour Coalition has awarded multi million contracts on one of their vanity projects. To overseas companies who will bring workers in from god knows where.
It makes you wonder if it makes a difference how hard you rub NZF secret Genie bottle.
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June 8, 2020 8:36am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The ship provides no risk at all. It is based in American Samoa, where there are no cases of Coronavirus. None of the crew has the virus, and there is no risk whatsoever of any crew member catching it once they put out to sea.
  
  Instead, the Government’s response is to tell the company to get the repairs done in Hawaii, and a Nelson company will lose out on a multi-million dollar project, which will cost jobs. This obsessive attitude to border control is a major stumbling block to any economic recovery.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:58am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “…a Nelson company will lose out on a multi-million dollar project,”
    From what I hear, this Nelson company is the preferred supplier, may mean they NEVER come back.
    and it will also colour the view of any other company, that may consider doing similar business with this Nelson company.
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:04am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    We’ve got ships’ crews wandering around Gisborne at the moment
    http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/local-news/20200605/ships-crew-allowed-ashore/
    
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    June 8, 2020 11:04am
    - burt
      
      Maybe Gisborne is already a safe Labour seat so no need to get more people onto welfare there?
      
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      June 8, 2020 11:35am
  - Nickc2
    
    The ship is out of ‘American’ Samoa. Does that suggest something?
    Socialists and budding communists are anti America even it means cutting off their noses. . . .etc.
    
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    June 8, 2020 12:02pm
  - sealegs
    
    At the present time I’m on a fishing boat off South Georgia, the last time the crew were ashore was 20th March in Lyttelton. I’m the only nz passport holder and the ship is registered in Jamestown, we are due back in NZ in 10 weeks for the summer Antarctic season all 4 company ships. If we are not allowed in we will go elsewhere and I suspect they will cross NZ off there yearly maintenance and storing port of call which involves several months alongside and it will cost firms in Nelson and Lyttelton millions. This government is so shortsighted even specsavers couldn’t help them.
    
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    June 8, 2020 8:44pm
- burt
  
  The results being the likely layoffs of skilled workers in Nelson.
  
  Comrade, If we get enough people out of work in Nelson we can turn it into a safe Labour seat.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:08am
  - Two bob
    
    On a serious note is there any statistical proof that any exemptions granted benefit labour held electorates over Nat held ones? even an unequal proportion of spending in covid response aka vote buying?
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:35am
    - C J Southern
      
      I can’t answer your question, but you might find this interesting:
      
      https://yournz.org/2017/08/27/votes-by-age-and-income/
      
      Basically, young and broke vote Labour, old and rich vote National, old and broke vote NZF, and young & rich vote Greens.
      
      Most vote on the basis of “what can my country do for me” rather than “what can I do for my country” – and given that a LOT of people are either already broke – or about to be broke – and Labour are giving away other people’s money like lollywater until the election, I’d say it’s looking pretty good for Labour about now.
      
      Unfortunately as a country we all lose when they run out of other people’s money to give away, but what to the politicians care? … they’ll be in other taxpayer funded jobs once they’re eventually out of power – and National can start to clean up the mess. Again.
      
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      June 8, 2020 1:52pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Agree, without a successful employer (rich), there are no employees.
        
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        June 8, 2020 2:37pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      I would not be surprised, as the first “financial gerrymandering” was the “provincial growth fund”…and now this…not surprised at all.
      
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      June 8, 2020 4:53pm
- Ruawai
  
  The Government, aka Jacinda Ardern, do not use any commonsense when making captains calls.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:16am
- chaos
  
  Meanwhile unable to get crew home a fishing boat left Timaru to go get their crew.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/300027732/50day-mission-to-retrieve-kiwi-fishermen-underway
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:31am
- Lance
  
  I think the ship servicing should be allowed.
  But I have seen a lot of shit talked about the Avatar movies in Wellington.
  The LA actors and crew chartered an Air NZ aircraft to fly to Wellington. They are in full quarantine in Wellington (at the movies expense of course) and the production spends a few million dollars A DAY in Wellington. I will say that again.. a few million dollars a day!!!
  It will cost over a billion dollars to make all 4 movies.
  It would have been economic lunacy to block this production IMHO.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:53am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    “if it saves a single life”
    
    Of course you are correct Lance, but that is not the standard that has been applied to everybody else by this government.
    
    Dementia patients dying confused and alone.
    Small business owners losing their livelihoods
    1.6 million NZers on income support
    elective surgeries in freefall – how many cancer patients are going to die because they didnt get treatment?
    How many afraid and despairing NZers taking their own lives because they cannot see a way through this.
    
    All of these belong to Cindy.
    
    Sneaking a film crew in for a few filthy dollars! when the safety-theatre of Princess Cindy saving the world has cost the economy tens of billions.
    
    Tut! I am appalled that you would condone such a dreadful action.
    
    But of course, if you don’t like these standards, she has others…
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:33am
    - Lance
      
      Ummm WTF?
      That is NOT my quote and I do not agree with it???
      I am not sure of the logic you used to come to the conclusion I think that Cindy is just wonderful or that the lockdown was a great thing?
      
      I was pointing out that some here have been spouting falsehoods about Avatar. It would be better to actually talk facts.
      
      I know many on the left talk shit and have bizarre logic paths, I would implore the non-lefties to rise above such drivel.
      
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      June 8, 2020 11:17am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      As long as Sheeple believe Cindy saved 85,000 lives and we have a cardboard aka Mullet Muller as National Party leader, Labour will speak walk to victory in September 2020.
      
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      June 8, 2020 12:06pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Negative bugger 😉
        
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        June 8, 2020 1:43pm
    - Akarak
      
      I believe Cindy is Minister of Arts. Funny that!
      
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      June 8, 2020 12:23pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “Minister o Farts”
        
        Fixed it for you.
        
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        June 8, 2020 1:40pm
  - Two bob
    
    Jacinda locked us down to put lives over the ecconomy tho so giving exemptions to let in billionaire movie makers so nz can make a few bux and boost ecconomy goes against everything she said.
    
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    June 8, 2020 12:12pm
  - chukar
    
    Lance,
    Please send me a lunatic.
    The economics for NZ have been studied and found to be very dubious.
    Avatar/ Weta have in the past had a very substantial chunk of taxpayer funding.
    The returns were negative.
    
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    June 8, 2020 1:08pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I’ll say it again.
      
      No funding, tax breaks, there is a difference.
      
      So you’re happy that Treasury “analysed” the figures and accept their findings yet we all know they can’t even secure a website.
      
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      June 8, 2020 1:42pm
    - Lance
      
      Economics not your strong point then?
      They pay LESS TAX than they normally would.
      It is not a grant FFS, like some homegrown arty thing nobody watches.
      
      You did read the part where I pointed out they are SPENDING millions of dollars a day in NZ. On a nearly all NZ crew, and on Weta Workshops digital services and buying a shitload of local products from building materials to food ???
      
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      June 8, 2020 5:09pm
igm

Becroft wants more taxpayers’ money to fund young Maori mothers, possibly with no idea who the fathers are.
You breed them, you feed them wahines, and leave my taxes to those who are deserving.
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June 8, 2020 8:37am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Every time that fool Becroft opens his mouth he confirms that he’s an even bigger idiot than I thought he was.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:02am
  - Lance
    
    My wife who often tsk tsk’s my less filtered thoughts on certain lefties in the media, and who has a background in social services, thinks Becroft has ‘gone off the reservation’ and is talking drivel.
    I have been pleasantly surprised.
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:41am
- MCos
  
  Absolutely right, igm!
  You never know when we might have to bail out another Saudi sheep farmer or a Russian spy with that money.
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:10am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Those who can, do; those can’t, breed.
  When young women are not employable isn’t state support a smart move?
  
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  June 8, 2020 12:07pm
  - Two bob
    
    only if they neglect youre child and keep the handouts for themselves.
    raising a child properly costs a hell of alot more then the extra benefit boost they would get, cheaper to not get boozed and keep their legs closed.
    
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    June 8, 2020 12:16pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      That would deny them their lifestyle.
      
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      June 8, 2020 3:16pm
RW Capitalist

Well well well
The AM show, today.
The health expert says, there should be no danger from outdoor gatherings, as covid 19 is spread INDOORS and there are almost no cases of spread through outdoor contact.
So what has all this BS, over the past 7 weeks, been?
Surfers harassed.
walkers/runners bullied
A population, largely forced indoors.
Dunedin council, pushing people into the road to avoid closing the imaginary 2m gap?
etc etc
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June 8, 2020 8:38am
Maggie Pie

Surely this is the REAL PANDEMIC facing New Zealand…. 🙁

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZyFEIcUwAARw_k?format=jpg&name=large
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June 8, 2020 8:41am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Unfortunately, if we are looking for something to be ashamed of, this list is not the only one.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:52am
- Michael NZ
  
  Here I really do part ways with other Christians.
  The Catholic Church has maintained a global cover up of it’s paedophilia Priests, run from the Vatican.
  Protecting the “Catholic Church” from destruction and harm.
  Further abusing the victims and their families.
  Until they hand over ALL the persons lay or clergy who did not call Police, when they knew of a Priest who “erred” they will remain anti family and children and should not opine on matters to do with those.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:52am
- MT_Tinman
  
  The results of a NZ left-wing gathering?
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:52am
  - Two bob
    
    you mean a labour youth camp?
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:36am
    - Paulus
      
      Why is the young Labour convicted pervert’s name still withheld ?
      
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      June 8, 2020 10:58am
      - Two bob
        
        thats simple commonsense for once, im all for justice in a court of law but naming and shaming these days leads to total outrage and abuse online and they stoop low, SJWs would target the guys family etc they done nothing wrong but would dispropotionatly be affected by the fallout.
        grace milanes killer is another example and sadly there are hundreds if not thousands of criminals that are awarded suppression for those reasons
        
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        June 8, 2020 12:21pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Because publishing his name links to another who doesn’t want to be tarred by the same brush. However, it would also expose the potential for a link to be made between the crime, the perpetrator and the ensuing lack of justice.
        
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        June 8, 2020 1:38pm
- Komata
  
  MaggieP@0841
  
  Nah, under socialism it’s all about ‘free love’ and the more liberal and ‘free’ the better. The communists (especially the leaders) were renowned for such things.
  
  Nothing has changed.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How many of these involved alcohol? Just asking
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:29am
- Tall Man
  
  That’s what the “carpet” is for.
  
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  June 8, 2020 10:50am
- freethinker
  
  Are they just the ones attributed to Labour party members?
  
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  June 8, 2020 1:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Off for a swim…
Will be good when the changing rooms open…I’m sure the swimming folks of Gisborne don’t want to be gazing at my wrinkly old flesh when I dry off in full view.
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June 8, 2020 8:42am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Are you saying you need something with WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT on it?
  Warning: Granny content?
  $10 says there’s an Asian swimming in a face mask.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:51am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Be away with ya….go on, let us take pictures.
  
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  June 8, 2020 8:53am
- burt
  
  When wrinkly people get naked… it’s not always attractive but it’s always interesting. Go for it 😉
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:10am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    2 older ladies in a park,
    See a streaker
    One says to the other
    Did you see that?
    the other lady
    “Not really, but it did look like it needed ironing.
    
    2 ladies are flashed by a pervert in the park
    One had a stroke
    The other couldn’t reach.
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:20am
- chaos
  
  Give it a go, might work for you
  
  https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/026/862/homer.jpg
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:39am
  - Tall Man
    
    How do you tie the knot in the back fat?
    
    Asking for a friend.
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:45am
    - sooty
      
      Just stand on your head and you will get a fat head!
      
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      June 8, 2020 4:27pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Do you have feet on your head?
        
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        June 8, 2020 7:00pm
Left Right and Centre

Fake news msm: peaceful protester age 75 suffers police brutality in Buffalo, New york.

Facts: Long-time activist and protester Martin Gugino tweets 4th June ‘fuck the police’ while also tweeting that protesters are above the law and curfews don’t apply to them. He falls while being moved back by riot squad officers amidst BLM protests.
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June 8, 2020 8:44am
- IC5000
  
  It’s pretty easy to see what happened because the event was captured on video. How cool was it when blood started coming out of his head. Serves him right didn’t it for thinking a 75 yo man could just walk up to a police officer. Deserved everything g he gets.
  
  Freedom of speech is a constitutional right for everyone not just those who share the same political views are you. Annoying ja?
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:01am
  - RightNow
    
    So it’s ok to post Tarrant’s manifesto now?
    
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    June 8, 2020 12:24pm
    - IC5000
      
      As a guest post on kiwiblog? Probably not with DPF but I suspect many here have already read it.
      
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      June 8, 2020 1:57pm
      - Michael NZ
        
        There IC5000
        
        Fixed that for you…
        
        https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/06/did_an_aged_activist_set_up_the_buffalo_police.html
        
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        June 8, 2020 3:07pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        IC5000 – why don’t you try thinking what if I was a lawyer for either side? What if I was a judge? Try and look at it from both sides and in total?
        Heard of context as well?
        
        One of my old mate’s brothers became a cop – and we stopped for a quick chat in Courtenay Place some years back on a Sat night – him in uniform. If he was under orders to clear the street and I was there I’d know it wasn’t the right time to talk – obviously. Context. I’m assuming you are being willfully ignorant?
        
        You sound like you’re the lawyer for the protester.
        
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        June 8, 2020 7:44pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Michael NZ – thanks for the link, useful – I’m reading the comments.
        It’s a bigger issue than the incident itself might seem – the way the msm fake news have reported and interpreted this is infuriating. They’re expressing opinions, not facts.
        
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        June 8, 2020 7:49pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Yes it is easy to see that the protester crossed the line by standing in the way of a line of riot police.
    That’s right – he can’t talk to them.
    They are there to enforce a curfew – not talk with protesters.
    What makes you think a protester has got the right to talk to police clearing the street – of protesters?
    The police used reasonable force to move him back and he fell over.
    Anyone who watches the video very very closely and then frame by frame can see the protester take a faster step back as they move forward – he starts his own momentum – nothing they do adds force or pushes him off balance. He pushes off his left foot and steps backs right while trying to retreat as they stretch out their arms and start moving forward.
    From the moment he steps back quickly right foot he’s at the same speed before and after their arms stretch out to him. Whatever they did – did nothing to him.
    Open your eyes and your brain.
    I think he could’ve regained his balance but wanted to try and make it look like the cops pushed him down.
    If so – his injury is his own fault.
    If he was a genuine law-abiding peaceful protester I doubt he would’ve been injured.
    Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story.
    
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    June 8, 2020 6:57pm
- Blackface Twin Reverb
  
  Was he the guy who was shoved after reaching for the cops belt?
  If so, what a weapons-grade-idiot thing to do when faced with a detachment of cops in riot gear.
  Sad that he smashed his head open on the concrete, but I’d say from the video, he made his own destiny.
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He was using his phone (or some device) to collect information about the cops
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CubkyIzygQ
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:13am
  - Tall Man
    
    Looked like a soft arsed fake fall that went wrong to me.
    
    He doesn’t deserve to die for his actions but seriously, what person approaches riot squad cops aggressively?
    
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    June 8, 2020 1:34pm
- oldfella
  
  More MSM malpractise, and from our own NewsHub, on last night’s 6pm TV bulletin.
  What they said was something like, ‘yesterday, news media around the world, including Newshub, ran an INCORRECT story linking President Trump’s comments about job numbers and what he said about George Floyd.’ And on they went. No actual apology. No attempt to say sorry – to us, or Trump – and not even a quick ‘we regret the error’ or similar.
  A bit like a BLM protester saying, ‘Hey, guys, a lot of folks threw bricks through your window, and so did I – so what? Nothing to see here, move right along.’
  BTW, Stuffed had a major spew about the same false ‘job numbers/George Floyd’ story. Maybe let me know if you see their apology sometime before they go out of business.
  
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  June 8, 2020 12:16pm
JibberJabber

Rather aptly and given the events of recent days, this definition of the word Cowardice (a group of mongrels or feral dogs) should be making its way back into our contemporary vocabulary.
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June 8, 2020 8:45am
I remember when

English, Irish, German and Danish grand and great grandparents.
Wish I has some Maori and was gay so that I could be DIVERSE.
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June 8, 2020 8:45am
- Phronesis
  
  I’m a cross dressing, lesbian, trans, woman, with vision and hearing impairments.
  
  I may appear to be an ordinary bloke but you would be a bigot for thinking that because I am Diverse thank you very much.
  
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  June 8, 2020 10:29am
  - Sacha
    
    In the last episode of ‘After Life’ there is a 45 yo plumber identifying as an 8yo girl.
    Funny, but not.
    
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    June 8, 2020 12:43pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I watched that the other night. It’s an absolutely brilliant series, and Ricky Gervais is superb.
      
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      June 8, 2020 1:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m not diverse at all….I’m homogeneous.
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:15am
  - oldfella
    
    Or, if you happen to be J.K. Rowling, you’re in big trouble with ‘those who must not be offended’.
    https://ew.com/celebrity/j-k-rowling-transphobic-comments/
    How long do you reckon before she utters a heartfelt apology to all the LGBTXYZ people she’s offended, or they start burning Harry Potter books in protest?
    
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    June 8, 2020 12:19pm
    - oldfella
      
      Here’s a great take on the Rowling controversy from Spiked Online.
      https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/06/07/the-sexist-crusade-against-jk-rowling/
      
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      June 8, 2020 12:43pm
      - Tall Man
        
        The world is mad.
        
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        June 8, 2020 1:27pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I think she may be made of sterner stuff than the softees they usually target.
      
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      June 8, 2020 1:28pm
Tony Stuart

We’ve heard a lot about job losses and business failures in recent weeks. But the ones we tend to hear about are large businesses, like Fletchers, Air Nz etc. So here’s the kind of story that will be repeated all over New Zealand, this week, especially, when the first wage subsidy runs out.

Derek is a trained chef. Like most in the industry, he went offshore for experience, and after a while, spent several years working as a chef on superyachts of the rich and famous. But he always planned to come back to New Zealand, which he did about six years ago.

He and his father spent a month travelling around the country, looking for a suitable place to set up a gourmet burger restaurant. Eventually they found a building in Ohakune which they renovated, where they installed a massive open grill, and where Derek opened his restaurant/cocktail lounge around five years ago. It quickly became a big hit, with its great food, fine refreshments and cosy, fun atmosphere. Visitors to Ohakune loved it. In 2018, he won the Supreme Award at Whanganui Chamber of Commerce’s Regional Business Awards.

So Derek branched out and last year set up a second restaurant right in the heart of Rotorua. That too was a big success; until March that is, when the tourists stopped coming, and the locals were locked down.

Yesterday, he made the announcement that the Rotorua restaurant would not reopen. In his message to customers he said “As times change, so must we in these unprecedented times”. He will focus on the Ohakune restaurant. Unfortunately, that will see a number of Rotorua people out of work, and his investment of time and money in setting up a new venture will be lost. His father project-managed both projects, but sadly took ill not long after Rotorua was finished, and passed away in October last year.

Even keeping Ohakune open will be a challenge. The town and the Central North Island in general faces challenging times. A good ski season on Mt Ruapehu calls for good snow, and good staff. The snow has started, but many skifield staff follow the winter, and come from overseas. Right now, they can’t get into New Zealand. For a town semi-dependent on the ski season for its prosperity, that’s not good news.

There are hundreds of Dereks all around New Zealand, employing thousands of people in small enterprises. Spare a thought for them when you hear the Prime Minister reassure us that the economy has largely bounced back, because you can be sure she hasn’t talked to them.
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June 8, 2020 8:53am
- RW Capitalist
  
  What’s worse, not just people like Derek, who is still in the riskiest phase of his business (and power to him) the first year/ few years.
  There are people who are experienced, fought hard to build their business over the past 5-10yrs and because of the incompetent reaction of a govt. to a virus, have lost everything…..Business, income, house etc. Just when they may look forward to better times.
  PS They were having difficulty against this govt.’s actions BEFORE Covid19…why do they think, business confidence was in the toilet?
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:00am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “To build may have to be the slow and laborious task of years. To destroy can be the thoughtless act of a single day. It takes years to build your reputation and seconds to destroy it. The same is true for relationships.”
    
    Winston Churchill
    Bad enough when you do it to yourself.
    BUT
    When a govt. does it to you.
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:13am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Ohakune is a service village for the Mt Ruapehu skifields – mainly Turoa. Lots of people on the skifields came from offshore and we all know about Rotorua, where closing the borders dealt a serious blow. Derek is/was in the tourism business.
    
    Anyone who thinks Rotorua/Queenstown can survive in their current forms without foreign tourists is deluded.
    
    The mood I gather from KB is that closing the borders is/was the right thing to do except it should have been done sooner. Which would have dealt to tourism and foreign students even sooner.
    
    Derek was closed during lockdown and had no customers. If he had not been closed by lockdown he would have been open with practically no customers. The end result would not have been greatly different.
    
    $20 billion of income vanished from the NZ economy when the borders closed. It is what it is. Go figure.
    
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    June 8, 2020 11:49am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Tourism was going to be effected anyway.
      But they did not just impact tourism, lock down impacted EVERY part of the economy and will for YEARS to come.
      
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      June 8, 2020 12:19pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Derek is a tourism-based example …..
        
        The economy definitely took a hit and there are any number of KB posters estimating horrendous costs per life saved etc.
        
        So in the upcoming election, I expect to see a campaign plank (from someone) something like
        
        “If Covid shows up again we will do a Sweden and let it rip. Hairdressers and butchers will stay in business. Too bad about Air NZ. Too bad about the tourist industry. Anyway – based on the Swedish experience – there shouldn’t be more than 3 or 4 thousand deaths – mainly oldies who are going to die soon and should lock themselves up anyway. ”
        
        Might as well open the borders for Pacific seasonal workers and Filipino dairy farm workers and lots of other useful people. Aussie skiers even ….
        
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        June 8, 2020 12:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The only people she talks to for advice are socialist friends in London. Professional advice within NZ is not important
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:03am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Nah, that’s unfair – she regularly communicates with and takes advice from the Auckland beautiful set too
    
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    June 8, 2020 9:13am
    - sooty
      
      She asked Karen aswell!
      
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      June 8, 2020 4:30pm
- RightNow
  
  Wellington will have many similar stories. Hospitality in Wellington was bolstered by civil servants, especially those with expense accounts.
  Now civil servants have a taste for working from home, and government can afford to only have 50% of workers onsite at any time, Wellington hospitality is in for a massive shake up.
  It really is built on lattes and lunches.
  One example is at the hotel intercontinental, who have closed the Chameleon restaurant and made staff redundant.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:05am
- Ruawai
  
  Will be sure to go there when next in Ohakune to support him.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:11am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  But Robbo said the other day that the ‘experts’ have told him the economy wouldn’t be too bad…
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    They may have also said it won’t be “too good” either.
    
    Open ended advice, pick the answer you prefer or just do an ardern, lie like a lizard.
    
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    June 8, 2020 1:21pm
Maggie Pie

My partners brother in-law retweets….

“America’s burning – for WHAT?”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ7WT_JU4AAnHM2?format=jpg&name=360×360
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June 8, 2020 8:54am
- chaos
  
  The robbery, they broke into a pregnant woman’s house, held a gun to her stomach while they robbed her.
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:37am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    HE held the gun to her stomach. What kind of person could do that? It’s a tragedy that he never got the chance to turn his life around and he deserves justice but it’s ridiculous that people are pretending that he was an innocent and good person.
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:03am
    - Mike
      
      Beside the point. He was murdered by a police officer. His criminal is irrelevant.
      
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      June 8, 2020 11:11am
      - chaos
        
        No, when you are apprehending a person with last violent and drug abuse that is very relevant. He was killed by an idiot, but his past is very relevant.
        
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        June 8, 2020 12:43pm
      - rangitoto
        
        That hasn’t yet been established.
        
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        June 8, 2020 12:46pm
      - Two bob
        
        hmmm id wait untill the evidence is out, last I heard a heart attack isnt murder.
        poor decision making that lead to Assault and battery and denying medical treatment is what I seen in the video, and also I bet cops have heard every excuse under the sun to stop restraint of a criminal.
        
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        June 8, 2020 3:09pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        His criminality is irrelevant to the alleged crime committed against him. It is however relevant to the propaganda being used, suggesting he was a good person.
        The alleged crime speaks for itself. Why do people so often undermine their arguments with clearly false claims? He was a very bad person. As you say, that’s irrelevant to the case, so why are they pretending he wasn’t?
        
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        June 8, 2020 4:17pm
    - chaos
      
      He had every chance to turn his life around. But he chose to continue to commit crimes. No one forced him to commit a crime on the day of his death. No one forced him to be high that day. No one forced him to have drugs in his possession that he dropped getting out of the car.
      
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      June 8, 2020 11:17am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        All true, but none of it making it all right for a police officer to kill him.
        
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        June 8, 2020 12:56pm
      - chaos
        
        And did I say it was alright for his death to take place. Please learn to read, this is in reply to the claim he didn’t have a chance to turn his life around bullshit.
        
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        June 8, 2020 4:34pm
  - secondcumming
    
    It was a case of *Black on Black* as well.
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:09am
    - Mike
      
      Also irrelevant to any discussion of police violence.
      
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      June 8, 2020 11:11am
      - RightNow
        
        Why exactly?
        
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        June 8, 2020 12:29pm
      - Tall Man
        
        So black people don’t deserve to be protected by the police, is that what you mean mikey?
        
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        June 8, 2020 1:19pm
lastmanstanding

An independent free democratic country speaks up and speaks out for the principles it believes in.

It calls out countries that refuse to allow their citizens freedom and democracy when those citizens want these.

It isnt cowered by a totalitarian regime. Its leadership is strong.

Does the current Government of New Zealand meet these criteria.
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June 8, 2020 9:05am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Rhetorical question?
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:14am
3-coil

This morning’s dinasour DomPost features a 2-page photo of members of Wellington religious communities protesting Trumps use of the bible in msm newsphotos last week. Where/when did these self-appointed spokespersons for God decide who can and who can’t touch the bible??
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June 8, 2020 9:23am
- Inandout
  
  3-coil, a dollar buys sweet fanny all today.
  
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  June 8, 2020 10:18am
  - 3-coil
    
    Inandout: Stuff charge $2.90 (South Island $3.80) for a hard copy of the ComPost!
    
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    June 8, 2020 11:14am
- Prince
  
  Cancel your sub. You’re part of the problem.
  (Or you’re a civil servant whose sub is now paid for by the taxpayer).
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:58am
I remember when

In a number of recent RMA articles bats have been mentioned as a possible reason for alternatives to planned new highway routes.
As they can be very hard to detect this usually involves DOC staff, or trained volunteers, using electronic bat boxes to detect their high-frequency echolocation calls.
These investigations seem to be where highways will be through native forests or native forest remnants are close to planned routes.
No doubt sometimes just a delaying tactic to the granting of RMA consent.
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June 8, 2020 9:23am
- Albert_Ross
  
  these investigations seem to be where highways will be through native forests or native forest remnants are close to planned routes
  
  So if not in nearby native forest – Where would you suggest that investigations into whether indigenous wildlife will be affected by proposed highways should be undertaken?
  
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  June 8, 2020 10:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    I’m not sure how resilient bats are but in parts of Oz they inhabit trees right beside busy highways and roads.
    
    I suppose Aussie bats are more brash than ours 🙂
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:39am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Very different, you are probably referring to Fruit bats. NZ bat species are very small and as far as we know (tricky to get an accurate population assessment) around only in small numbers and in danger of falling below the sustainable population level.
      
      NZ Bats also are unusual in that they are known to forage on the ground, at least in part to get nectar from ground growing native orchids. This makes them more vulnerable to predation by rats and feral cats.
      
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      June 8, 2020 11:08am
      - Tall Man
        
        Thanks for the info.
        
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        June 8, 2020 1:15pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Our 2 bat species aren’t resilient at all.
      They are both small ..when full-grown about the size of a wax-eye … vulnerable to cats, rats and stoats.
      
      A female has just one pup/year… so most unlikely to get large populations unless there is good pest control.
      
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      June 8, 2020 11:35am
      - Tall Man
        
        Thanks Maggy. Ain’t Kiwiblog great.
        
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        June 8, 2020 1:16pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Kiwiblog: Can I phone a friend?
        Maggy: Expert comments.
        
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        June 8, 2020 7:34pm
Durden

On Saturday Swifty wrote in General Debate — “I’ve been verbally hassled, had the ground spat on in front of me, called a white c**t, been walked up on etc a good eight or ten times by mostly Maori guys but also a few PIs because I’ve refused to give them money as I’ve ran the gauntlet going in to the local shops”

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/06/general_debate_06_june_2020.html#comment-2732433

I wish Swift’s mates and their mates could go home and sort this sort of stuff out with their kids like our parents used to. But the universal (not just brown) problem is, kids nowadays have lost all respect for parents, and their idols are local gangsters and their good-for-nothing attention seeking underemployed townie stirrers and activists like Willie Jackson, Pania Newton, Renae Maihi etc. Once this has gone on for a generation or two, the parents themselves are in no position to role model behaviour, and hence any demand of anything off their kids results in their derision of parents.

I lay the problem at the feet of various governments in different ways. Nanny state laws, dont-ask-who-the-father is benefits, youth benefits $, useless MSD case officers who act on false complaints (e.g. parental abuse) from sneaky kids etc.

I also lay the problem directly on the schooling system for teaching entitlement and rights before responsibilities and obligations. Blame the police for their soft duck handling of real issues like child killings and open gang activity. And the so called leaders — both the ones who object to child uplifts and the more sophisticated iwi governors who exploit their community to extract government largesse, sit along with their mates and rellies on the boards and extract as much money for themselves as they can without any trickle down.

When there are sane and clear voices like Alan Duff, Dr Lance O’Sullivan or Steve Elers with his recent NZ Herald opinions , they get drowned out and de-platformed by both brown and white apologists.

Has anyone recently read anything from Steve Elers ? His opinion columns seem to have disappeared.

I blame the media for this because they prefer victimisation and oppression narratives to sell news rather than get to the bottom of the truth. It seems that they operate on the principle that the questions that would reveal the truth can never be asked–a cause for lot of screaming at the TV talking heads in this household.

While I see heaps of examples of “the samoan guy who has worked hard to get a degree and scholarships etc.” and similar Maori folk, there is still a large number of the community that is unable to see these people as examples.

We are quick to call out that the broader Muslim public for being quiet, and demand they call out religious extremism in their community, why should the same expectation not apply to our achieving brown brethren? And this could apply equally to recalcitrants in all communities– Chinese, Indians, Europeans.

In the same breath, all of us who face these incidents should also be expected to condemn the truly racist and vile responders for their hate filled comments about some of the perpetrators. We need to openly and clearly admit to, and acknowledge, the problem to foster debate and change.

I believe we have reached this situation is because there is no platform for free speech — for alternate, saner, views to express themselves reasonably, confidently and safely. The current media are enablers of bad behaviour, throwing up excuses for every action and enabling condemnation of people for speaking out bravely

How widely was the recent full video of Northland MP Matt King being threatened while a cop was present disseminated in the media? Not much.

I do believe the biggest opportunity in NZ media at present is a non-left, non-woke media platform. I do believe this is the most essential need for discussion to start and change to occur.

Or better still I prefer non-partisan watchdogs.

US sites like Project Veritas–that do undercover stings, and Judicial Watch that uses freedom of information act (FOIA) to unearth scandals and follows up with big legal battles are required While these guys normally target Democrats, they should probably also target Republicans who indulge in similar activities.

Then there is also a need for groups like the collective in NZ who are monitoring alt-right groups and apparently provided information to the authorities that led to the arrest of the NZ soldier at Linton Army Camp. They should also be watching the actvities of crazy left-wing groups like Antifa.
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June 8, 2020 9:30am
- Tall Man
  
  My understanding is there were a couple of warnings passed on about brenton tarrant but not followed up.
  
  Steve Eler’s last article elicited a complaint from ardern’s press people and was altered by stuff so I guess the writing was on the wall from that point.
  
  The science is settled and the $50 million spoke.
  
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  June 8, 2020 10:13am
chaos

* The Warehouse Group will axe up to 1080 jobs as part of a major restructure involving nine store closures.

The big box retailer said it was starting a consultation process looking at the closures of the Noel Leeming Henderson Clearance Centre, and Tokoroa store, The Warehouse Whangaparaoa, Johnsonville and Dunedin Central stores and Warehouse Stationery Te Awamutu store.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/121752684/coronavirus-up-to-1080-jobs-to-go-at-the-warehouse
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June 8, 2020 9:33am
- Frank the tank
  
  And it begins….
  
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  June 8, 2020 9:47am
  - DeepBlue
    
    I am angry at the false hope and bubble Jacinda has created to extend reality to beyond September 19.
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:02am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Based off my calculations middle class anger regarding job losses will peak at around the election. You have to wait for around 6-8 weeks before the realization hits that there isn’t a job around the corner or indeed you need to take a massive cut in your salary.
      
      While the first wave (tourism) has a long term future, the majority of losses that begin from now in corporate, professional services and big box retail are long term and structural. Coupled with our draconian employment laws once these jobs are gone there is almost no scope for these to be reinstated even into the medium term.
      
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      June 8, 2020 11:39am
- Harriet
  
  It’s not just about the lay-offs.
  
  Continual trading largely lessons the length of a recession, compared to closures which largely extend them.
  
  As when a business actually closes down, or closes an outlet down, it’s one less business that will be around to employ people when the economy picks back up. Unless of course others rent the space — but that is largely around the time the economy does pick up; as rents generally don’t get lowered unless the mortgage repayments are lowered. Shops are unrentable in recessions.
  
  In other words — compared to previous recessions where people were largely just ‘layed-off’ — people this time will be unemployed longer as the economy will take longer to pick back up due to closures.
  
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  June 8, 2020 10:00am
  - SGA
    
    On the other hand, if you read the whole article it sounds as if much of this was on the cards anyway
    “Based on our insights into changing shopping habits and the anticipated economic impacts caused by Covid-19, we are accelerating some changes that had already been planned.”
    
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    June 8, 2020 10:49am
    - Tall Man
      
      They can’t really politicise the issue while accepting subsidies so I would take comments with a grain of salt.
      
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      June 8, 2020 1:14pm
      - SGA
        
        I see no reason for them to add the “we are accelerating some changes that had already been planned” unless they mean it. If they had said “We are making changes based on our insights into changing shopping habits and the anticipated economic impacts caused by Covid-19”, I don’t see how that would affect their subsidies issue.
        It would interesting to know the situation regarding the stores they are closing – perhaps they have got bigger stores nearby that will absorb those customers quite easily.
        
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        June 8, 2020 1:26pm
- david
  
  A perfect situation for the ‘anti-1080’ protest movement to be heard. They might just get some support.
  
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  June 8, 2020 10:57am
- Prince
  
  Remember when Ardern scoffed at the Warehouse for trying to remain open as an ‘essential service’.
  She decreed they were not essential, as a ‘captain’s call’.
  
  So 1080 more people thrown onto the beneficiary heap.
  
  Impressive haul from that decision.
  
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  June 8, 2020 12:11pm
JibberJabber

BBC News (UK)

27 police officers injured during largely peaceful anti-racism protests in London

in other news,
Freak rope accident ends reign of largely peaceful leader Saddam Hussein.

Revered human rights activist Osama Bin Laden tragically dies after largely peaceful visit from the military.

Adolf Hitler commits suicide in his bunker after largely peaceful 5 year protest across Europe.

Nicolae Ceaușescu dies in freak firearms accident following largely peaceful protests in Romania.
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June 8, 2020 9:52am
MCos

I see The Warehouse & Noel Leeming is closing a number of shops.
Interestingly the Stuff article references a two year old article relating to charges being laid by the Commerce Commission under the Fair Trading Act.
From the article
“ Noel Leeming’s alleged breach of consumer law will damage its brand and hasten the demise of some retailers against the likes of online traders such as Amazon, a brand expert says.”
Well, fancy that.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/103458087/charges-against-noel-leeming-a-nail-in-the-coffin-for-retailers-expert-says?cid=app-iPad
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June 8, 2020 9:52am
Fletch

In the US, protesters are pulling down more Confederate statues, and also Governor Ralph “blackface” Northam has agreed to remove a statue of Robert E Lee from Richmond’s Monument Avenue. What is ironic is that these Confederates were Democrats, who started a war in the US to hold on to slavery. All this is being memory holed now, of course.
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June 8, 2020 10:13am
- Inandout
  
  Fletch, these people merely give rise to a Trump 2020 win. 330 million are not on the streets.
  
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  June 8, 2020 10:22am
- Mike
  
  Your ignorance of the USA beyond ‘Trump good, Democrats bad’ never fails to amuse me.
  Your confused position about the civil war statues is a good example. I must assume that you support removing the statues, not because they celebrate treasonous racists, but because they represent, for you, the Democratic Party.
  
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  June 8, 2020 10:58am
- IC5000
  
  It may be a surprise revelation but the democrats in there 1800s are not the same as the democrats of the 2000s.
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:05am
  - Fletch
    
    The same scum… They even filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act for 57 days.
    
    Richard Russell (D-GA) launched a filibuster to prevent its passage. Said Russell: “We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our states.”
    
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    June 8, 2020 4:46pm
    - Mike
      
      Ah, the ‘Dixiecrats’. And what happened to the most prominent of them, Strom Thurmond? Well, he too was outraged by the 1964 Civil Rights Act. So outraged, in fact, at the idea of equality for blacks, that he became a Republican and served in the senate happily for another fifty years.
      
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      June 8, 2020 7:56pm
- alex Masterley
  
  It’s happening in the UK as well. Statues of people who are not acceptable to the woke being vanalised and pushed into the drink.
  Philistines.
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:43am
  - Jack5
    
    The Woke and most black activists are unappeasable.
    
    Next on the hit list in America: founding fathers of the republic – Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, both slave owners. Will they demand name changes for America’s capital and Washington state?
    
    Wonder what NZ protesters have to say about Maori chiefs who owned, traded, and ate slaves?
    
    Meanwhile, British sports black or mixed race stars join the activism: Lewis Hamilton “overcome with rage”, and boxer Anthony Joshua defends apparently calling for people to buy from shops owned by blacks other than those owned by other people.
    
    https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/29256676/lewis-hamilton-overcome-rage-racial-injustice
    
    and
    
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8397291/Anthony-Joshua-hits-critics-speech-Black-Lives-Matters-protest-Watford.html
    
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    June 8, 2020 3:55pm
Maggie Pie

We were just watching FOX NEWS.
They replayed some dreadful scenes of the looting that took place in Minneapolis over the past week.
My partner wondered if they looted deodorant……or breath mints.

Just saying.
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June 8, 2020 10:26am
- Fletch
  
  Just opportunists exploiting the death to burn and loot.
  
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  June 8, 2020 10:31am
  - Mike
    
    What do you make of the videos of police slashing tyres. Also opportunism?
    
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    June 8, 2020 11:00am
    - Inandout
      
      Mike, stay off CNN and regain your sanity.
      
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      June 8, 2020 12:11pm
- MCos
  
  “FOX NEWS replayed some dreadful scenes of the looting“
  
  Of course they did.
  
  Meanwhile some other channel replays dreadful scenes of police brutality.
  
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  June 8, 2020 12:07pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Was in London in 1983, 2 years after the Brixton Riots.
  In a pub in Batersea (rough place at the time), there was a guy selling Sony Walkman’s, on the bar, stolen during the riots.
  Race riots, or just an excuse to steal?
  Nothing new under the heavens.
  
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  June 8, 2020 12:24pm
Akarak

The Australian Queen’s Birthday Honours list includes 38 business leaders.
The NZ Queen’s Birthday Honours included 1.
Say no more!
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June 8, 2020 10:31am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Don’t you understand? Business leaders are to be reviled, not celebrated.
  regards, Cindy.
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:01am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    But they are welcome to pay 80% of all taxes.
    
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    June 8, 2020 12:25pm
- Mike
  
  That counting by DPF was complete nonsense, which ignored over 20 honours given for contributions to a wide range of industries.
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:01am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Mr David Charles Ellis, of Te Akau. For services to the thoroughbred industry – More sport than business.
    Mr James Bruce McKenzie, of Masterton. For services to the cattle industry – Farm sciences/breeding etc
    Mr Derek Rex Crowther, of Auckland. For services to the motor vehicle industry – Repairs ruling bodies.
    Mr James Arthur Griffin, of Auckland. For services to the television and film industries – art.
    Mrs Joan Frances Harnett-Kindley, of Wanaka. For services to netball and the real estate industry – Mainly sport but also on real estate regulatory body.
    Mr Terence John Kayes, of Auckland. For services to the engineering industry – Environmental engineering
    Mr David Robert Maurice Ling, of Mangawhai. For services to the publishing industry – NZ and Maori Books.
    Mr Murray Powell, of Hamilton. For services to wildlife conservation and the deer industry – Hamilton Zoo and Deer industry regulating body.
    Dr Jeremy Paul Hill, of Palmerston North. For services to the dairy industry and scientific research – Dairy scientist.
    Mr Graham Peter Jackson, of Queenstown. For services to the trades industry and business – trades boards member.
    Mrs Kiri Marie Nathan, of Auckland. For services to Māori and the fashion industry – Maori clothing label.
    Mrs Elizabeth Herrmann, of Auckland. For services to the hospitality industry and philanthropy – hotel owner + charity stuff.
    
    So, basically, the industry related ones are mainly regulatory body members rather than actually expanding the industry etc. I would regard very few of those people above as services to business.
    
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    June 8, 2020 1:29pm
    - Mike
      
      Gee, way to split hairs. Now do:
      Mr John Daniel Barnett, ONZM, of Auckland. For services to film and television.
      Mr Robert James Campbell, of Auckland. For services to governance and business.
      Mr Antony John Carter, of Auckland. For services to business governance.
      Dr Michael Edward Matthews, of Hamilton. For services to food technology and the food industry.
      Mr Murray Ernest Cammick, of Auckland. For services to the music industry.
      Mr Grant Thomas Crothers, of Wellington. For services to Tokelau and the fishing industry.
      Mr Graeme William Gale, of Outram. For services to aviation and conservation.
      Mrs Rosslyn Ann Gale, of Outram. For services to aviation and conservation.
      Mr William Morris Gosden, MNZM, of Wellington. For services to the film industry.
      Mr Anthony Gordon Wilding, of Tirau. For services to the dairy industry and the community.
      Mr Michael Anthony Chopping, of Auckland. For services to the electrical industry.
      Mr Graeme Frederick North, of Auckland. For services to architecture and natural building standards.
      Mr Geoffrey Robert Pearman, of Port Chalmers. For services to seniors and business.
      See how you get on with diminishing their achievements.
      
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      June 8, 2020 3:51pm
- chaos
  
  It’s obvious looking at the list there is more than 1 for people connected to businesses.
  
  https://dpmc.govt.nz/publications/queens-birthday-honours-list-2020
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:39am
  - Inandout
    
    chaos, I believe all telcos are ‘connected to business’.
    
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    June 8, 2020 12:13pm
    - chaos
      
      Nice try to avoid all the people connected to different industries that got honours.
      
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      June 8, 2020 12:41pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        I’ve provided a list and most of them served on regulatory bodies. That is service to those industries but I wouldn’t call it service to business.
        
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        June 8, 2020 1:33pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Serving fish and chips…is “connected to business”
    Doesn’t mean you are in Business.
    Remember a CEO is still an employee.
    
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    June 8, 2020 12:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Antifa better leave some buildings for November. They’re gonna need something to burn when Trump gets re-elected
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June 8, 2020 11:11am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Was watching it live on Fox last week. Wonder why the Black rioters seemed to target Korean owned businesses in particular?
  
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  June 8, 2020 11:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not many Koreans armed? I don’t see many veterans or rednecks being attacked
    
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    June 8, 2020 11:58am
    - MCos
      
      You wouldn’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
      
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      June 8, 2020 12:10pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        So you can answer Maggie’s question or not?
        Show us your clue
        
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        June 8, 2020 1:07pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Still waiting for your ‘clue’ MCos.
        Could it be you are the one who wouldn’t have a clue what you’re talking about?
        SFOS.
        So Full Of Shit
        
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        June 8, 2020 4:40pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  All fire extinguished by their tears.
  
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  June 8, 2020 12:30pm
Raphael

I see that the Herald is joining into hating on JK Rowling

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12337870
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June 8, 2020 11:37am
- Inandout
  
  Raphael, Harry Potter series may not have trannies as such, but there were some strange characters. I am sure JK covered the field.
  
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  June 8, 2020 12:16pm
- mark15
  
  They’re eating themselves,let them.
  
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  June 8, 2020 1:27pm
I remember when

As you sit in the queue, waiting for the stop/go man, have a look at the distances between the workers.
Why wasn’t much of this repair completed during the glorious weather of the various Lockdown Levels?
Now the weather is less favourable, so the delays will be more frequent as over a longer period.
How many of the uneven road surfaces and growing potholes that you negotiate don’t need to be there?
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June 8, 2020 11:39am
- MCos
  
  Probably because the plant and manpower was busy elsewhere.
  
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  June 8, 2020 12:11pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Seriously?
    
    Did you see any roadwork crews out there? I didn’t and we traveled most days to the office.
    
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    June 8, 2020 12:44pm
    - MCos
      
      There’s been a lot of work going on around here, as it happens.
      I dare say there’s other roads in your neck of the woods that need attention.
      On the other hand they might have all these new people filling vacancies allowing more roads to be dug up. Maybe the stop/go guy was a baggage handler or a pilot until quite recently.
      
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      June 8, 2020 3:44pm
- HeatherW
  
  Much of the road repair/improvement work stopped at beginning of level 4 as was deemed non-essential. Some restarted at level 3 with some delays as workers couldn’t travel to site due to rules. There will be extra delays due to reduced workable daylight hours and the extra requirements of health and safety.
  
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  June 8, 2020 5:08pm
MH

honours – for services to Maori heaps, no awards for services to the English,Welsh, Dutch, Irish, Scots, nor indeed any distinguishment re which Tribe.
How’s the flax weaving business going? Substitute harakeke and insert a french macron at your pleasure in the meantime….

You ought to see my Cindy
She lives way down South
And she’s so sweet the honey bees
All swarm around her mouth
Get along home Cindy, Cindy
Get along home Cindy, Cindy
Get along home Cindy, Cindy
I’ll vote for you no way
at least your feet should tap in time……
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June 8, 2020 11:51am
- chaos
  
  Plenty of honours to non Maori
  
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  June 8, 2020 1:32pm
Swifty

A good piece on Stalin and his death and featuring his grandson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvM8ZtuhHm4
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June 8, 2020 11:57am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Play school TV1 news. Jacinda will make an announcement at 3pm. They mentioned it no fewer than 4 times. Anyone else sick of childish bullshit?
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June 8, 2020 12:31pm
oldfella

Good article on ‘No Minister’ from a black Democrat heavyweight who’s angry at the way his party is treating blacks, and why Joe Biden is making a hash of his run for President. .
http://nominister.blogspot.com/2020/06/this-guy-gets-it-others-soon-will.html
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June 8, 2020 12:42pm
- oldfella
  
  This is a good example of Democrats in power doing really loopy stuff. Disband the police? Really?
  The kind of insanity that will only drive more people to vote for Trump.
  https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/majority-of-minneapolis-city-council-signs-pledge-to-disband-police-department
  
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  June 8, 2020 12:56pm
IC5000

No Otto I’m not so keep on posting. No doubt we will hear your opinion on the PMs announcement.
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June 8, 2020 12:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  And your opinion from a Jacinda sycophant view
  
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  June 8, 2020 1:09pm
  - IC5000
    
    I’m a Winston sycophant. Do I have to school you again on this?
    
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    June 8, 2020 1:22pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That’s even worser mate!
      
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      June 8, 2020 2:58pm
      - IC5000
        
        Only because he denied National majority.just be honest if Winston had chosen National they’d be a lot fellatio in this blog.
        
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        June 8, 2020 3:51pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Fellatio? Only from you and similar. Winston is now toxic, and you know it. He has Political Covid 19
        
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        June 8, 2020 5:43pm
      - IC5000
        
        The only thing that counts in politics is winning and anybody who thinks otherwise is in the words of your idol a stone cold loser.
        
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        June 8, 2020 9:31pm
chaos

Bye creep

* The US has made an official demand of the UK, with the Department of Justice asking that Prince Andrew be handed over to face questions over his links to disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.

The Prince has resisted all previous attempts by US authorities that sought to have him shed light on Epstein’s network of paedophilia and sex trafficking.

The Sun has reported that a frustrated US Department of Justice has now gone directly to the British Home Office to force the embattled royal to testify.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12337969
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June 8, 2020 12:47pm
- Michael NZ
  
  Good, be nice to get him and Bill Clinton in the same room at Rikers.
  
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  June 8, 2020 2:09pm
- Inandout
  
  chaos, old Bill visited the island more times, in fact a score of times, so presumably he will be questioned.
  
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  June 8, 2020 2:15pm
  - chaos
    
    Surprisingly he hasn’t suffered Clintoncide, Hillary must be hoping his illnesses kick in first
    
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    June 8, 2020 3:12pm
  - Mike
    
    Perhaps they will be joined by this guy:
    “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy.”
    “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
    
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    June 8, 2020 3:58pm
    - chaos
      
      You mean mike the one guy who when approached by lawyers building a case against Epstein was the one and only person to call them back and give them everything he knew about Epstein.
      
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      June 8, 2020 5:01pm
    - chaos
      
      Let’s add some context to this
      
      “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy.” Comment made in 2002
      
      as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” Comment made in 2002, no idea why people find it wrong that trump younger woman, woman, key word there
      
      When did the world learn what a creep Epstein is, 2005 is when the first claim was made, 2006 is when he plead not guilty. 2008 was when he plead guilty to a charge and got his soft as ass prison sentence.
      
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      June 8, 2020 5:06pm
      - Mike
        
        Sure, Trump had no opportunity to see the real Epstein…
        Honestly, the lengths morons go to exculpate their orange idol.
        
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        June 8, 2020 8:15pm
      - chaos
        
        No mike you are the moron. Pedophiles get away with abusing children for so long because so many do not know what their family member, friend, associate are doing. There are large pedophile rings where people who know those in the ring had no idea what the person was doing.
        
        You are just an idiot, trump was the only person that Epstein knew that stood up and gave his lawyers all the information he knows on Epstein.
        
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        June 8, 2020 8:34pm
      - chaos
        
        Btw mike, I had a close friend, now no longer here, who was a child prostitute in New York in 80’s, whose clients were politicians, celebrities, clergy, teacher, police, so I’m willing to bet all the stories of his that I know including who some of his clients were, I know a hell of a lot more about this that some idiot like you.
        
        I know the names that constantly came up in his work over the years he got out of it, I know his stories that he didn’t want to take to his grave. And people like you make me sick. I cannot wait for what I know is coming out, and I know because of what he did before he passed, because creeeps like you are going to be left realised how fucked up you are and how these people you idolise are fucken evil pricks, and people like you are no better
        
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        June 8, 2020 8:48pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Mike, you dumbfuck. Trump said young beautiful women – not kids.
      Now it is Joe Biden that likes the children. As well as Epstein, Weinstein, Clintons (both).
      Hey Mike, Anthony Bourdain died, why???
      
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      June 8, 2020 5:51pm
      - Mike
        
        Let me guess – murdered by Hilary Clinton just as he was about to expose a paedophile ring?
        
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        June 8, 2020 8:17pm
      - chaos
        
        [trashed by Mod for pointless abuse. At least provide some quality sledging.]
        
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        June 8, 2020 8:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
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        June 8, 2020 9:35pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You were unaware of his relationship with Asia Argento (one of Weinstein’s accusers) and his interview about ‘Entitled , disgusting” Bill Clinton and How Bill & Hillary destroyed the women who accused Bill of sexual abuse?
        
        https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/anthony-bourdain-slammed-harvey-weinstein-bill-cli/3468925/
        
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        June 8, 2020 9:38pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Sad, even for you mikey.
      
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      June 8, 2020 8:10pm
- SpencerArnold
  
  They should do a deal; the US can talk to Prince Andrew when Anna Sacoolas (the US woman who killed Harry Dunn in a car accident and then scarpered back to the US under diplomatic immunity) is in the dock in Northamptonshire.
  
  https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2020-06-08/do-the-right-thing-harry-dunn-s-family-issue-message-to-prince-andrew/
  
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  June 9, 2020 6:46am
chaos

* If National committed to addressing inequality and “doing more than just lip service when it comes to climate change”, the Greens might consider working with them, co-leader James Shaw says.

Shaw told The AM Show he has “a lot of respect” for National’s new leader Todd Muller having worked with him on the Zero Carbon Bill, but he said National is yet to win over the Green Party membership. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/greens-co-leader-james-shaw-reveals-what-it-would-take-to-work-with-national.html
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June 8, 2020 12:49pm
- oldfella
  
  In other words, the Greens are setting the bar high, and will keep raising it, to ensure they never have to face the prospect of teaming up with the Nats. Because if they did, James Shaw would suddenly face Greenacide – … [del. mod.] and turned into compost.
  
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  June 8, 2020 5:16pm
MH

why has Herald printed last weeks Lotto draw no 164 May 31 again. I demand a redraw using the following nos….. Hold all tickets don’t throw them away.
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June 8, 2020 12:50pm
- chaos
  
  Because it is the herald
  
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  June 8, 2020 1:31pm
Maggie Pie

Well this is interesting. My partner’s mum popped over earlier for morning tea.
She was saying that one of the residents at the Village is an elderly Pom who used to be with MI6. He was telling her that the ‘Skripal’ revelation, that they’re now living in this country, “….is nothing more than the classic double-double cross”.
They are in fact in Switzerland, but there’s an undercover Spook with the GCSB in Welligton, that posts out their letters.
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June 8, 2020 12:54pm
- Jules99
  
  That makes more sense than seeing them here and in the media.
  
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  June 8, 2020 3:25pm
Robyn S

Why are we all so fixated on level 1. We should have been there weeks ago. We need to find out the strategy Re borders opening. How can we decide whether to keep trying to survive if we have no useful information. My business is 80-90% international. How much money do I have to waste (As well as us all as taxpayers- subsidies) if the borders are going to be shut for 2 years. Information please Jacinda.
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June 8, 2020 1:05pm
- brett68
  
  I’d call it a day, the border won’t be opening for quite a while.
  
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  June 8, 2020 3:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Newby, have not seen you. Hope your business makes it.
  Let me inform you of ONE thing. You will never get any information out of Jacinda Ardern. Not even if you speak her language.
  Serious, she speaks in riddle she can not understand – hence the lies
  
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  June 8, 2020 4:47pm
cas

Posted this yesterday.

What’s the betting that our 1 remaining case will recover on Monday in time for jacinda’s presser.

i should have put a bet on at the TAB!!
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June 8, 2020 1:09pm
- Poppa
  
  I said exactly that to some people. They have probably been recovered for days but it has been engineered to come out today.
  
  You have to applaud their propoganda, brilliantly executed
  
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  June 8, 2020 1:36pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    And swallowed hook, line & sinker by a populace that needs to believe…
    
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    June 8, 2020 2:13pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Ah, so it was you! (See directly below)
  
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  June 8, 2020 2:10pm
Suze Wainwright

Who was the cynical & political person who argued in GD over the weekend that there would be no active Covid 19 cases delivered especially for today…?

It’s a miracle! Our living PM god has worked yet another revelation!
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June 8, 2020 1:13pm
Benedict Yu

Holy crap. This guy only got 39 months in prison.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121738720/rage-over-car-park-led-to-fatal-headbutt-at-lower-hutt-supermarket

This seems to be at the upper end of seriousness for a manslaughter case. He waited for his victim, enraged over something as trivial as having his car park taken, and headbutted him with enough force to knock him out and send him to the concrete.

When he gets out it will happen again.
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June 8, 2020 1:17pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  How terrible.
  (You will never see anything like this happen at the Remmers NW.)
  
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  June 8, 2020 2:13pm
aquataur

Disgusting
Another softcock judge and another arsehole whose upbringing excuses him

And of course, it isn’t 39 months, probably 20 at most.
We now know what the value of a human life is – about $150,000 based on $100k p.a. for a high security prisoner.
What a shame we didn’t use this figure for Covid-19; we would never have been in lockdown at all
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June 8, 2020 1:35pm
- Inandout
  
  Damn, he can’t vote this time. Angry, are you listening?
  
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  June 8, 2020 2:18pm
I remember when

@MCos 12.11pm
Yes they probably were busy. At home.
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June 8, 2020 1:36pm
Prince

He’ll be out by Christmas 2021. Serial offender, ‘time bomb’ according to his own lawyer.
But it’s all the fault of the education, mental health, probation and justice systems. Poor fella.
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June 8, 2020 1:47pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  They aren’t wrong. The probation officer, upon hearing him say he was going home to get a gun (on the previous parking rage incident) should have immediately had him arrested.
  
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  June 8, 2020 2:50pm
BeeJay

English, Irish, Welsh, Scottish, Punjabi/English grand parents and great grandparents, plus the usual 7% Scandinavian. I wish I knew who I was supposed to be FFS!
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June 8, 2020 1:47pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  Well as far as our government is concerned there are only 4 different ethnicity categories in NZ: ?
  Maori
  Pacific Islander
  Asian
  Other
  
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  June 8, 2020 2:26pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You missed one:
    
    Rich Bastard.
    
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    June 8, 2020 7:57pm
JibberJabber

Another LoL from the Twitter,
The 2020 remake of ‘Friends’ is a bit shit.
https://twitter.com/frank_ricard_nz/status/1269560643100700672
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June 8, 2020 2:43pm
JibberJabber

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/minneapolis-city-council-announce-commitment-disbanding-citys-police-department/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

Bring it, look what happened when the cops went on strike in Montreal in 1969,
https://twitter.com/RealYeyoZa/status/1269309561212751872
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June 8, 2020 2:55pm
- chaos
  
  Guess the state police will be busy
  
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  June 8, 2020 3:10pm
  - sooty
    
    Bring in the national gaurd, I wold think!
    
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    June 8, 2020 4:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Level 1 from midnight tonight.
What happened to the 48 hours notice?
Did I miss something?
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June 8, 2020 3:14pm
- chaos
  
  Yes, she realised people and Winston first were pissed with her. But the good news is team New Zealand have done it and accomplished an amazing boat that should win the cup next year, at least I think that is what she was rabbiting on about, I kind of drowned her out once she opened her mouth
  
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  June 8, 2020 3:21pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It’s called bowing to pressure. It’s the closest she could get to backdating it by a couple of weeks.
  And what brilliant timing to be able to also announce today that the last case has recovered. (Pretty obvious that she actually recovered at least a week ago).
  
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  June 8, 2020 3:25pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I really thought she would hold out for 2 more weeks, citing overseas 2nd waves
    
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    June 8, 2020 3:28pm
    - Mike
      
      You will have to find something else to moan about.
      
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      June 8, 2020 4:00pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        How about I start on you then mate?
        See you at work at 7am in the morning – ready to hand lift 4 tonne of steel into the rack.
        Or see you when I have my break at lunch?
        One day Mike, tell us when you worked?
        
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        June 8, 2020 4:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So the previous 48 hour thing was bullshit? Another lie??
    
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    June 8, 2020 4:03pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Of course. She has a reputation to protect.
      
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      June 8, 2020 4:45pm
- IC5000
  
  Is there anything you don’t complain about? I suppose it gives you something to live for. You can thank JA for your longevity by making a donation to the Labour Party.
  
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  June 8, 2020 3:31pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Idiot. I am overdue for colonoscopy, due for prostate MRI and all delayed.
    Your Labour Party can stick it where the global warming climate change don’t shine – arse.
    Cancer waits for nothing – not the Govt or Covid.
    Wake the fuck up man. … [del. mod.]
    
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    June 8, 2020 5:59pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      mods will delete the truth
      
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      June 8, 2020 5:59pm
    - IC5000
      
      > Your Labour Party can stick it where the global warming climate change don’t shine – arse.
      
      You’re a slow learner Otto. I’m not a labour supporter. Admittedly I voted for them once however I wasn’t a draft dodger like you. Come to think of it I guess you and Trump both have something in common.
      
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      June 8, 2020 9:35pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Yes, she wanted to wait until Monday so she could get all the eyeballs on her, Cindy’s media facetime is more important than the economy.
  
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  June 8, 2020 5:45pm
emmess

And so it begins
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/us/minneapolis-police-abolish.html

Fucking insane, if I lived there I’d be getting the hell out that dystopia to be ASAP.
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June 8, 2020 3:32pm
- JibberJabber
  
  I`d be stocking up on ammunition.
  BLM, Antifa and the Democrats are after Obamas Crown as Americas Greatest Gun salesman.
  
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  June 8, 2020 5:42pm
WaveyDavey

3 years… 3 f*cking years,

WTF is happening?

#WhiteLivesDon’tMatter

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12337936&fbclid=IwAR01KxlG3z5qpaJ5Cbenh4xm_uK8tDtrWzrbBLtwRT8A4lWv_E_5A1lb8kw
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June 8, 2020 4:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is how seriously the lefties are fucked up. What/who made them like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F495IzPuvw0&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR27dAz2pAguYvt6poTk_M0GvQBlcz0pyiIOoq9aHDb-i2lgMM7GRwIKUhg
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June 8, 2020 4:59pm
- hookerphil
  
  That is unreal – makes me sick. Didn’t last watching long, when the two police joined in by kneeling down had had enough.
  Funnily enough while writing this watching a recorded Chase – the question that just came up – which creatures commit mass suicide – Lemurs, Lemmings or Llamas.
  After watching this and reading about the defunding of Police it is quite clear who is actually actually committing suicide – stupid woke white Democrats.
  
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  June 8, 2020 6:01pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Doing Trump’s work for him.
  
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  June 8, 2020 6:01pm
  - IC5000
    
    What? Is someone indulging in some pussy grabbing?
    
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    June 8, 2020 11:17pm
JibberJabber

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/300030036/mcdonalds-axes-georgie-pies-due-to-lack-of-demand

FFS, these were the shittiest pies ever, bought one back in the seventies never bought another. ?
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June 8, 2020 6:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Speaker of the hose said I have to stop doing this shit to lefties and relax in the spa pool with my beer/whisky.
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June 8, 2020 6:11pm
chaos

So true, Arden wanted to do nothing, she wanted to go have her little date in Christchurch until Bloomfield threatened to resign if she went ahead with it. It was the pressure from businesses leaders and medical personal that forced her to close the country. Many schools were already ignoring ministry of health and told their students to remain home before schools were closed. Arden is a liar

Tell us Arden how the govt was so prepared for this Stephen Tindal and his mates had to buy Plane loads equipment for our hospitals and medical staff because you were such a liar standing up saying everything hospitals and gp’s had that they didn’t.

* David Seymour is accusing Jacinda Ardern of “attempting to rewrite history” over her claim the Government went “hard and early” to stamp out COVID-19.

The Prime Minister announced on Monday that after 17 days of no new COVID-19 diagnoses and no remaining active cases, New Zealand will move to alert level 1 from midnight – meaning all restrictions will lift, except for the border closure. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/david-seymour-accuses-jacinda-ardern-of-attempting-to-rewrite-history-over-covid-19-response.html
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June 8, 2020 6:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Arden is a liar”
  
  I’ve heard that before ……………..
  
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  June 8, 2020 7:48pm
  - chaos
    
    Amazing we can say it now without having it deleted huh
    
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    June 8, 2020 8:10pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Keep trying and see what happens 🙂
      
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      June 8, 2020 9:09pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      That’s because it’s a fact.
      
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      June 8, 2020 9:40pm
chaos

Barr rejects claims made by the media

* Full Interview: Attorney General Bill Barr on “Face the Nation”*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=37&v=D_G2s9GEQrk&feature=emb_logo
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June 8, 2020 6:59pm
Inandout

I always knew that Stalin was a paranoid sort of person, especially in the later years. However the documentary also mentioned the spies he had all over the world in positions that had access to all the Allied, Japanese and German troop movements. Such was his stubbornness though he refused to believe Hitler would break their Pact and invade Russia, right up to the actual invasion. Several Soviet spies hitherto had warned of an impending invasion but they were dispensed with as their information went against Stalin’s belief that Hitler would not do such a thing. In any case, after the war the Soviet spies who had provided him with vital post invasion information were either executed or jailed because they knew too well Stalin’s misguided trust of Hitler. I suppose we would call those spies ‘useful fools’. Of course after the fall of the Soviet Union many previously secret KGB files were uncovered and their influence was truly outstanding, reaching even NZ.
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