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peterwn

So Trevor is talking about MP’s being chucked out at question time. Simon Bridges and Nick Smith were chucked out the most and he considered that Winston should have been chucked out more often but said “Winston Peters probably gets away with a bit because he manages to be naughty with a smile, rather than anger”.

Read that any way you like. I have my take on it.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/speaker-trevor-mallard-reveals-which-mp-he-thinks-deserves-kicked-parliament-more-often
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June 13, 2020 8:11am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Mallard is a bully, and constantly pre-judges situations. Michael Woodhouse called him out on it last week, when Mallard claimed to know what Woodhouse was thinking.
  
  He seems to have an almost pathological hatred of Nick Smith that clouds his judgment. The same applied with Bridges, although to a slightly lesser extent. Even if Labour wins the next election they need to find a new Speaker; Mallard is temperamentally unsuited to the role.
  
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  June 13, 2020 8:31am
  - Aunty
    
    Yes, he is an insult and an affront to the Parliament. I have no confidence in him and I know that that is a view shared by many New Zealanders.
    
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    June 13, 2020 8:52am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I think they will keep him on as speaker as he is so biased and protects Ardern from the tough questions. They are drunk on their own power and will not care that everyone thinks he’s possibly the worst speaker in history.
    
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    June 13, 2020 9:03am
    - projectman
      
      “…he’s possibly the worst speaker in history.
      
      It’s a tough call for me – Mallard, Margaret Wilson, Gerry Wall.
      
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      June 13, 2020 1:25pm
  - bruceavon
    
    Yes. How they thought it would work out is beyond me. Putting the cat in charge of the pidgeons.
    to begin with I thought it might work out. After all he knows how the system works being punished and thrown out enough himself, but he can’t keep out of it. And still holds real grudges with people like Smith and also Gerry Brownlee. His running defence for Ardern to begin with was outrageous.
    
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    June 13, 2020 9:09am
  - Swifty
    
    It’s Jane Clifton’s judgement I question most.
    
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    June 13, 2020 9:16am
    - 3-coil
      
      Hahaha! Very droll Swifty! ??
      Edit: she’s far from alone though, the Duck’s surprisingly managed to persuade quite a large number of women over the years…and most of the professional ladies of the press gallery who hang around him are (by type) gullible.
      
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      June 13, 2020 10:27am
    - lifesgood
      
      Yes, the day she married this nasty individual was the day I stopped buying the Listener. Who could possibly trust her as a political journalist now. She has shown her true colours.
      
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      June 13, 2020 1:11pm
  - peterwn
    
    They will keep him. Who else would operate the ‘witless protection scheme’. They could possibly appoint Phil Twyford for damage control purposes.
    
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    June 13, 2020 9:18am
  - surfing
    
    Ha, both Mallard and his mother downticked you .
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:33am
  - redeye
    
    I had a call from Parliamentary Services last week, on behalf of Muller.
    One of the questions was, how can Parliamentary Services improve. I answered – ‘get a less biased speaker’. The girl was laughing as she typed in my answer.
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:44am
  - Cod Weyne
    
    Yes he is, as you say, a bully. When he scraped in as speaker (remember the debacle of his own party, misjudging the numbers) I thought, after many years of calling him for what he is and represents, I would give him the benefit of the doubt in his role as speaker..I shouldn’t have wasted my time, he just reverts to his normal bullying and obnoxious self.
    He has been a disgrace from the day he set foot into the institution.
    
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    June 13, 2020 4:18pm
- Gravelroad
  
  If that is what Mallard said about naughty smiles influencing his rulings, then that is one of the most unprofessional comments I have ever heard from a a so-called politician.
  Mallard has been there too long and is now just an embarrassment.
  Cheers.
  
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  June 13, 2020 8:57am
oldpark

Oh yes a complete be “Kind” ambush for NZs.
“Creeping Normality” .
Is a process by which a major change can be accepted if it happens slowly through small often unnoticeable increments of change .The change could otherwise be regarded as objectionable if it took place in a single step or short period.
Yes under the Peters selected “Auntie Cindy Ardern Communist/Socialist be “Kind” tactics NZ and all NZs are on a slippery slope as the country is fast becoming the “Socialist Republic of the South Pacific” . Maybe even emulating Venezuela or Cuba, or even worse North Korea.How frightening for the good people of NZ who don’t deserve the type of control by a certain person who suffers from “Narcissistic Personality Disorder”.
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June 13, 2020 8:16am
- 3-coil
  
  oldpark: Ardern also confessed in the msm to “imposter syndrome” where she admitted she didn’t have the experience or skills to do the PM’s job, and that one day everyone would wake up and realise! Well everyone “woke” up alright.
  
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  June 13, 2020 8:33am
- Nerraw
  
  As I have said before. Aunty Cindy is a vapid narcissist and we are certainly heading towards becoming the Communist Republic of New Zealand under her leadership.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:23am
Jacinda Ardhern

Another day. Another riot. No Lives Matter anymore.
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June 13, 2020 8:16am
- Mike
  
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  Lighten up. Trump’s restarting his rallies next week, so that will give you something to cheer at. Maybe not so much for some of the rally attendees, who have to sign a waiver absolving the campaign of liability if they catch Covid-19.
  
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  June 13, 2020 8:36am
  - Two bob
    
    Thats more then the BLM done for covid.
    
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    June 13, 2020 9:35am
  - Okahu
    
    Very clever requirement from the MAGAT rally organisers. Unmasked slack-jawed mouth breathers are going to be easy targets for the virus.
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:57am
    - Mike
      
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      One one hand, so what if a bunch of MAGA hats infect each other in the course of worshipping their orange idol. OTOH, they could well go on to infect others.
      
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      June 13, 2020 12:32pm
      - double d
        
        You are a nasty wee man Mike
        
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        June 13, 2020 3:16pm
      - Two bob
        
        but you have no problems with the democratic rioters doing the same?
        
        Hmmm first virus in history to target right wing supporters and leave the left immune.
        
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        June 13, 2020 4:05pm
- Inandout
  
  JA, and another Venezuela declared in Seattle. One by one the youngsters from wealthy families will quietly slip past the armed ‘rebels’ and escape back home to Mumsy. The rapper thug who appears to be running the show has already started extorting money from trapped and hapless businesses.
  
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  June 13, 2020 8:46am
  - surfing
    
    Seattle is a hot bed of hate and bigotry.
    
    Antifa seems to be based there, and city officials appear to be members .
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:35am
    - Mike
      
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      There also appears to be a man in the moon.
      
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      June 13, 2020 12:33pm
      - Two bob
        
        mr grumbles?
        
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        June 13, 2020 4:06pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Unless Covid!!!!
  
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  June 13, 2020 5:25pm
curry4me

Rioters have given President Trump a landslide.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/06/rioters_have_given_trump_a_landslide_reelection_victory.html

Recent scenes of rioting and looting on TV look like stuff from an
Apocalyptic movie. Some want President Trump to use force
Against the rioters. Law abiding citizens will flock to the Republican banner.
The ‘anti-war’ riots in 1968 helped elect President Nixon. These
BLM-ANTIFA riots will do the same for President Trump.
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June 13, 2020 8:28am
- ross411
  
  Not on the mainstream media. The mainstream media editorialises hard to try and make the insanity normal, and Trump look bad.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:17am
- Nickc2
  
  I hope you are right Curry.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:54am
- bruceavon
  
  Not according to every poll in the US including for Fox. Right wing One News Network had a poll recently they promised would be good for Trump. It wasn’t, so they took it down and deleted everything. Apart from losing the middle vote he is losing christians. He has no choice but to get the rallies going again.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:06am
  - Mike
    
    Didn’t his campaign send a cease-and-desist letter to CNN asking it to stop publishing polls?
    
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    June 13, 2020 12:44pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Brad Parscale’s said today that Trump’s rally in Tulsa is going to have 300,000 people at it.
    
    Tulsa only has a population of 400,000 and the whole of Oklahoma totals less than 4 million. But sure …
    
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    June 13, 2020 12:53pm
    - bruceavon
      
      Oh there’s no doubt his base are still mad for him. But his base will not win him the election. He needs some middle voters and Joe Biden is not a polarising figure like Clinton. Been around for years, well liked, has republican friends too, old white man. gets a lot of votes Clinton wouldn’t.
      
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      June 13, 2020 3:53pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Covid-19 has given the Left and the Anarchists an opportunity to further their agenda.
  For the Left it is to take down anything and everything associated with the Right or that they dont agree with.
  For the Anarchists it is to destroy legitimate Governments of any colour and replace them with their own brand of chaos.
  
  Racism is the method they are using.
  
  Meanwhile the CCP are laughing like drains. They know all they need to do is wait for countries economies to be weakened and then offer “assistance and support” with many strings attached.
  
  I say the CCP will achieve an economic victory over the West better then any military victory with the benefit that the infrastructure and people remain in place forced to serve the CCP.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:10am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXL-3LQw5ME
Defund the police. Abolish the police. Re-direct some funding
To programs that decrease crime. BLM want the police de-funded.
Mayor of Minneapolis booed out of the crowd for being hesitant about
de-funding the police. Some think calling the police is a form of ‘white priviledge’.
People from ‘deprived’ areas often complain about slow police responses.
Like in Flint, Michigan. Some just want well funded competent cops.
Pelosi and co are terrified of BLM, and ANTIFA. However, they are trying to meet the nutbars
half way.
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June 13, 2020 8:29am
- Inandout
  
  curry, I could imagine Nancy once again painfully kneeling on the floor in front of Antifa begging for a compromise. One wish of hers would be for the ‘rebels’ to leave her leafy suburb intact. Trump will bolt in.
  
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  June 13, 2020 8:49am
- G152
  
  I want to see the US cities without police forces.
  Sanity should be restored within a week of such a stupid move.
  I only hope the police will be forgiving and go back
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:18am
- artemisia
  
  Meeting rioters halfway – appeasement. That’ll work well.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:22am
  - IC5000
    
    Yeah, they need to be ‘dominated’ lol. Democracy operates on the consent of the people. The protestors are as much as the people as Trumpists are. It ain’t 1850 anymore.
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:11am
- Nickc2
  
  NO, Pelosi and Co. are giving oxygen to ANTIFA and BLM. Taking a knee in sympathy being an example.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:58am
- amospicton
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/political/anonymous-berkeley-professor-shreds-blm-injustice-narrative-damning-stats-and-logic
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:45am
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    Great link.
    
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    June 13, 2020 1:36pm
  - 3-coil
    
    amospicton – that is an exquisitely written, unbelievably powerful letter! Thank you for linking. Compulsory reading, equally applicable to NZ.
    
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    June 13, 2020 2:05pm
  - Brian Marshall
    
    I see you have two down tickers. I bet that they didn’t even read the letter written. Sadly, too few academics are brave enough to voice their opposition to the racist and discriminating ideas. The risk of losing their jobs tends to do that I suppose.
    
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    June 13, 2020 5:25pm
Swifty

I’m from the government and I’m here to help…..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/121798617/proposed-nz-organic-farming-legislation-from-the-dark-ages

FFS.
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June 13, 2020 8:32am
- Inandout
  
  Swifty I was amused to see the photo of a farmer with ‘karma’ on his tee shirt. You get the government you wished for.
  
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  June 13, 2020 8:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Everything is now to be govt ~~certified~~ controlled so that state ownership will be indistinguishable from the former private except by lack of performance or in quality. Good to appalling will become the norm.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:35am
- LetMeOut
  
  I agree the government will stuff it up, but I don’t feel sorry for the organics industry. They created their entire industry on the falsehood that it is healthier for people, and better for the environment – when the science doesn’t back it up. Organic food production is lower productivity and less efficient than conventional agriculture. To make a profit they have to denigrate modern agriculture and make false claims to drive a margin. What they are good at is marketing.
  
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  June 13, 2020 12:39pm
  - Two bob
    
    The longevity of organic farming is simply a fallacy. if youre extracting/exporting products of the farm its unsustainable and imported nutrients etc are needed and will organics in a niche market can do this in a sustainable way it is impossible to maintain on even a medium scale. we would literaly need organic farms to produce organic fertilizer (compost etc) and to feed a population on a national or global scale is totally impossible.
    
    im all for the reduction of inputs and in particular the variety of dangerous agrichemicals, fertilizer will always be needed but needs to be done in more sensible ways to get higher utilization.
    
    3 years of broadacre cropping mainly as a spray operator and the mind boggles at the chemicals we poison our land and food with, dairy is nz percieved devil but far worse is going on in the arable and horticultural sectors believe me youll never eat a cereal product or green produce again if you witness first hand.
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:01pm
Tony Stuart

Winston Peters is trying to worm his way out of the statues/racism debate.

Bad luck Winston.You are part of this PC-gone-mad government, and the buck stops with you. Those who voted for your party in 2017 to “keep National honest” are not going to be fooled again. Best wishes for your “retirement” from politics, and make sure you give the ministerial self-drive car back straight away this time.
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June 13, 2020 8:34am
- igm
  
  Make sure the charlatan pays back $158,000 to taxpayers, plus interest, and calculated penalty payments.
  He is responsible for this mess and to hear that Green ME obfuscator getting involved makes him more detestable . . . !
  
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  June 13, 2020 12:03pm
Tony Stuart

Did anyone see the story on one news last night about the Police and guns, and in particular, the woman who referred to Police dogs as “four-legged killing machines”?

I guess when you’re dealing with two-legged killing machines, gangs, and people who threaten politicians’ lives, it’s good to have some back-up. I applaud the work of Police dog teams right around the country; some of the most dedicated officers you could ever want to meet.
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June 13, 2020 8:39am
- Mike
  
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  Police dogs are not harmless puppies – they are potentially lethal weapons. Remember that next time you hear these words: “Stop, or I’ll let the dog go!”
  
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  June 13, 2020 8:44am
  - kevn
    
    @Mike… Just stop and the perceived dog scare/attack ceases. Seems fine to me.
    But if you are type to try outrun police, so be it, bitety time.
    
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    June 13, 2020 9:38am
  - rockape
    
    You dont die from getting your arm or leg chewed. Thats what police dogs are trained to do. Now the RAF attack dogs of which I ran 60 at one time would attack the head, because thats what they were trained to do! I even had my pet an ex RAK retreiver of large size that if it was trained to take your throat if it was on a chain. Mind you we were guarding Nuclear weapons.
    
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    June 13, 2020 9:48am
    - Jack5
      
      Rockape, you would have been guarding RAF nuclear weapons before 1998, when Britain withdrew its tactical nuclear weapons.
      
      Now Britain’s nuclear weapons are Trident II missiles fired from Royal Navy submarines, and the weapons are guarded by Royal Marine commandos.
      
      I guess those RAF dogs wouldn’t be re-homed with families when they reached retirement age.
      
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      June 13, 2020 11:13am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Potentially lethal, you say? Looking forward to hearing about all those people that have been killed by a police dog in New Zealand.
    
    Oh, that’s right – there aren’t any.
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:26am
    - surfing
      
      Lack of bodies is just proof of a coverup.
      
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      June 13, 2020 10:38am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘ they are potentially lethal weapons.’
    
    So is a Teaspoon
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:38am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      or, Mr Wick, a fucking pencil!
      
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      June 13, 2020 5:26pm
  - kloyd0306
    
    …..and if your house is burgled or you are beaten up, and you have no police, what will you do? Buy a gun?
    Who you gonna call? Ghostbusters?
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:37am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It’s a bit like presenting a firearm at Police Mike. If you do that, you wear the consequences, and there’s a better than even chance the outcome is going to be unfavourable.
    
    If you try to outrun a Police dog, having been commanded to stop, don’t complain about the bites.
    
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    June 13, 2020 12:12pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Barky, bighty, scary, but well controlled…. A Police dog that killed would have its last day.
  
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  June 13, 2020 8:46am
  - chukar
    
    Having had experience with many dogs note that these are animals descended from wolves.
    Given the right opportunity any dog will kill.
    They do not know right or wrong ,, just their genetic program.
    It takes very skilled training to control these animals.
    Too many NZ dogs are attributed human characteristics.
    They are not human.
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:07am
    - fernglas
      
      Given the right opportunity, any human will kill etc.
      
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      June 13, 2020 11:30am
    - alloytoo
      
      nor are they wolves.
      
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      June 13, 2020 11:55am
    - DeepBlue
      
      This article is about trained Police dogs, not dogs owned by the general public.
      
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      June 13, 2020 12:52pm
- Gravelroad
  
  What is happening is that disturbed people with what once might have been considered extremist, ignorant opinions are now being taken seriously.
  The more this happens, the more their demands -however irrational – become mainstream.
  Then people, who hold moderate, inclusive views, are silenced – fearful of the furious backlash on social media and headlined by “news reporters” as legitimate social engineering.
  The silent majority need to start speaking up.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:12am
  - artemisia
    
    The silent majority will stay silent, and in any case might not be a majority. They are more likely to vote in September. On current polling they will be the silent minority.
    
    Polls though – tell BoJo and ScoMo. Tipping point issues included – Brexit, mining. Aka it’s the economy, stupid.
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:56am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Beware the dog controller though. I have known them to set a dog on a child to teach them a lesson.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:37am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That is a fact.
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:01am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Bullshit, unless your dog ‘trainer’ is a patched batshit crazy gang member, who have the brain of a whuhan bat
    
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    June 13, 2020 6:49pm
- Two bob
  
  look at how many ppl over the years the cops have let a dog loose and hundreds of stitches later they realise they got the wrong person.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:41am
- krazykiwi
  
  Remember, the next time you are being chased by a police dog don’t whatever you do run over a wooden bridge, scale a wall and then jump through a burning hoop. They’ve been trained for that.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:56am
artemisia

Rather surprisingly, impressed with Stuff starting a deep dive into Jobseeker application stats and related issues. Part 1 today, more to come and dates provided for parts 2 and 3. Now reporting on Jobseekers by age, location, ethnicity, gender. Problem areas – youth, Auckland, Maori, men.

WINZ will be hiring. Bigly.

Who knew they have a data reporter Felippe Rodrigues. Excellent.
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June 13, 2020 8:42am
- Nickc2
  
  I don’t have a problem so long as the truth is told and not have data manipulated to suit the Labour-led government who created the problem.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:09am
Luke Piewalker

So Cindy. You have flattened the country emptied our finances and made unemployment and disharmony the new normal.

No amount of hugging is going to fix the mess you have created.

You will be remembered as the worst PrimeMinister in NZ history
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June 13, 2020 8:45am
- niggly
  
  Probably worse than the 1980’s “Lange/Douglas Neolib” Labour Govt – oh dear!
  
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  June 13, 2020 1:40pm
- calendar girl
  
  But … but … she frequently advocates “kindness”.
  
  What else would you want from the country’s so-called “Leader”?
  
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  June 13, 2020 2:33pm
- Nermal
  
  Will she also be remembered as the first solo mum PM in NZ history, or will it be swept under the carpet
  
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  June 13, 2020 3:44pm
  - tui47
    
    I assume it will be swept under the carpet. However if the rumours are true regarding her relationship status the PMs office will need to up the spin to cover up the situation and they will be challenged by the election. Pre the election media usually pump out happy family stories for all leaders. Then upon winning the PM and Partner turn up on the stage for photos. The news media will know the truth. I sense they will not want to upset Dear Leader by mentioning the partner at all. It would be revealing if media choose not to avoid the happy family stories for all party leaders pre election. However post election it will be difficult to continue to pretend all is well.
    
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    June 13, 2020 4:33pm
    - GJM
      
      Will the nanny be on stage as well then?
      
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      June 14, 2020 10:10am
Captain Mainwaring

The country is going to Hell in a handcart with all this bullshit about getting rid of statues and renaming places (including Hamilton).
Here is a wonderful opportunity for National to state their firm opposition to all this racist crap and Todd Muller is silent.
He’d better start growing a voice soon or Judith is going to fill the void.
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June 13, 2020 8:45am
- Jacinda Ardhern
  
  Todd Muller is Leader of the Opposition. That’s what he gets paid for.
  
  If you want him to ACTUALLY provide opposition to the present government you will have to pay him more. Otherwise it’s more than his job is worth.
  
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  June 13, 2020 8:53am
- Inandout
  
  CM, National is finished for this election, just accept it. Whoever picked Muller knew this and National will still have List MPs to keep sucking on the tit. Better to lose and keep a bloated salary.
  
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  June 13, 2020 8:55am
- Jack5
  
  Cap’n, Judith Collins is with the statue-fellers:
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/anti-racists-should-consider-pulling-down-parliament-s-richard-seddon-statue-judith-collins.html
  
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  June 13, 2020 8:58am
  - Jack5
    
    Pulling down colonial statues and Maorifying colonial street names is a gift to Winston Peters, who so far seems to be the only one who has recognised the political possibilities of standing up against the mob.
    
    Where the hell have our young politicians been while the Leftists and the Woke and the Greens have been taking control of our local bodies?
    
    Instead of going to party training courses and working like puppies for existing politicians, why aren’t they cutting their political teeth by fighting in local body elections?
    
    Meanwhile in Londonistan, the little Muslim Mayor is covering up statues. Another diversity dividend.
    
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    June 13, 2020 9:18am
  - Crisplion
    
    No, she isn’t with the statue-fellers – read the article properly. She’s saying that this kind of thing is a slippery slope.
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:05am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Jack, I think Judith was taking the piss.
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:06am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    No, she isn’t with them. She’s pointing out that by today’s standards most historical figures had some racist and sexist views:
    
    “Collins told The AM Show it was a slippery slope to removing most statues of historical figures, whose ideas might not have aged well, even if they did some good in their time.
    
    “I would also say actually you know, look, Richard Seddon’s statue, on that basis, should go. His racism against Chinese was just unbelievable.
    
    “Then we’d go after all those who were sexist, which would be pretty much everybody.”
    
    Judged by today’s standards that would also include vast amounts of book burning. Plus most films, plays and operas destroyed/never performed.
    
    But I’d concede this: if some arsehole of whatever race was a slave holder/trader or cannibal, have the history explained in a plaque. That would mean understanding that a statue isn’t a celebration of a person’s achievements but a memorial of our history.
    
    Kim Hill this morning interviewed a historian re all this but didn’t bother to talk about Maori slaveholders. And the twit historian couldn’t even pronounce ’Stolpersteine’ correctly!!
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:34am
    - Jack5
      
      Judith Collins’s words in the TV show (sitting beside her is Wily-Willie Jackson, the Labour MP and Maori activist), when removal of statues is discussed. :
      
      “Richard Seddon’s statue on that basis should go. His racism against Chinese was just unbelievable. And then we would go after all those who are sexist, which would be pretty much everybody.”
      
      She joked: “The other thing, is where are the pigeons going to sit?”
      
      If that was Judith Collins’ opposition to mob destruction of historical statues, it’s pretty mild opposition.
      
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      June 13, 2020 11:00am
- Mike
  
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  What would be racist about changing a place name?
  
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  June 13, 2020 8:59am
  - krazykiwi
    
    How about you advocate for Mt Taranaki to be renamed Mt Egmont, and then report back to us.
    
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    June 13, 2020 9:59am
  - kevn
    
    @Mike… You live on the newly minted Mickey Mouse Street? It’s only a name, relax.
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:18am
  - Jack5
    
    Mike, changing a place name is racist if it’s change for racist reasons.
    
    Getting rid of white-colonial names to replace them with names of another race is racist.
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:53am
    - Mike
      
      Wut? Decolonisation is racist?
      
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      June 13, 2020 12:47pm
      - Jack5
        
        When “coloniser”and “colonised”” are of different races, Yes.
        
        But New Zealand became a Dominion in 1907, and was self-governing before that. It’s more than a century since it was a colony.
        
        “Decolonisation” is a bullshit term of Leftists. It means overturning the status quo. At its extreme “decolonisation” is a code word signalling anti-West, anti-capitalism, or anti-white, or all three.
        
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        June 13, 2020 3:44pm
- Nukuleka
  
  But it’s ok. Nikki is doing the rounds apologising for saying that Paul Goldsmith was Maori. That’ll do the trick.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:07am
- Bobba Fret
  
  And apparently Picton is up for re-naming too.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:17am
  - tf78
    
    Rename it PICKEDON- that’ll do it.
    
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    June 13, 2020 7:54pm
- ross411
  
  Just because he looks spineless doesn’t mean he is! Sure, it doesn’t mean he isn’t. A few months of this jellyfish and the people who kvetched about Simon will be looking back with fondness.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:20am
  - tf78
    
    BRING BACK BRIDGES!!!!!
    
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    June 13, 2020 7:56pm
- G152
  
  Maybe we should remove the ancestors (who were slave owners) from the facades of meeting houses and recall the musket wars where up to 20,000 people were killed and dispossessed of their lands ???
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:21am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yep – Te Rauparaha has a big statue and memorial in Otaki on the Kapiti Coast.
    Bedder be careful here, but there is some historical information that this guy was a bit of a troublemaker in his day……slaves, murdering folk, plundering, land confiscation etc.
    Had to smile when listening to Chris Lynch on newstalkzb last week talking with the woman co-leader of the Māori Pardy.
    Lynch asked her how she felt about the name of the Te Rauparaha Arena in Hamilton – how appropriate was that?
    Stutter, stutter- but no problem – at all.
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:33am
    - Nermal
      
      Will Tainui demand that Hongi’s Track be renamed?
      
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      June 13, 2020 3:49pm
    - tf78
      
      Not a bad response for a PACKER snigger, snigger.
      
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      June 13, 2020 7:56pm
  - namron
    
    G152, I’d add “who were slave owners AND CANNIBALS.”
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:10am
    - GoVege
      
      Naughty naughty, namron!
      All those eye witness reports of cannibalism in 18th and 19th New Zealand were just lies made up to sell newspapers back in England… 🙂
      
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      June 13, 2020 3:57pm
- Souvlaki
  
  Was Muller just a hologram after all???
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:26am
- Nickc2
  
  Use this racially created crisis Tod FFS. If you don’t, National stand for NOTHING!
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:15am
  - Jack5
    
    What are these two National MPs saying about the Hamilton statue removal and the calls for the city to be renamed?
    
    – Tim Macindoe, member for Hamilton West.
    – David Bennett, member for Hamilton East.
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:21am
    - Nickc2
      
      Wet limp wristed troughers the pair of them.
      
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      June 13, 2020 11:57am
    - tui47
      
      Simeon Brown is very vocal at the moment and has been posting on Facebook and Twitter about the issue. As a result he seems to have acquired quite a collection of abusive Labour as followers. In fact all National MPs have had a large increase in abuse over the last few months.
      
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      June 13, 2020 4:44pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Macindoe had a post on FB last night that was very critical of the Hamilton City Council bowing down to a threat of vandalism.
      
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      June 13, 2020 6:48pm
- Sacha
  
  I liked Collin’s reply when asked why she didn’t stand in the leadership turnover – “I didn’t have the numbers”.
  My guess is that when she does, she will (and WATCH OUT all you wets!) but if it never happens, well that’ll be ok too.
  And I do enjoy each time that she replies with a pleasant smile “Good Morning” to the greeting in Maori.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:18am
  - backster
    
    I’d vote for her on that alone. Sick to death of the politically correct old maori word ‘Morena.’
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:29am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It’s not an old Maori word at all…
      It is a very recent rendition of “Morning” into Te Reo.
      
      I’d never heard it used or read it before the 1990s.
      
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      June 13, 2020 1:25pm
      - tf78
        
        Maggy it’s like everything else – it’s made to order – or disorder in these times.
        
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        June 13, 2020 7:59pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Muller is recuperating after a minor operation a few days ago, much like DPF is right now, so he gets a partial pass.
  
  What’s more concerning is that Winston has recognised the opportunity that this presents him, and is making all the right noises. Damn his eyes!
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:32am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Can anyone name me one instance or area in which Muller has performed better than Bridges?
    Please no excuses about hats, trips round the country, medical issues etc. it is clear that his rise to “leadership” of the National Party had been carefully planned and manipulated for some time.
    I can’t fathom why this guy is better than Bridges.
    Some will say that he must be given time in his new role etc etc. Sorry, but time is running out.
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:39am
    - Jack5
      
      Watch also how Nikki Kaye performs compared with Paula Bennettt.
      
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      June 13, 2020 11:19am
      - Two bob
        
        The difference is like night and day.
        Paula was agressive both attacking and in defence whereas Nikki is quite passive and her responses almost seem forced, dosent seem to genuinely defend Todd but just doing her job/role.
        
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        June 13, 2020 4:32pm
    - Lee C
      
      It angers me how they treated Bridges.
      We are a nation run by selfish nasty little people.
      
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      June 13, 2020 2:44pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Bridges is a selfish nasty little person that wanted only what was best for himself. Muller is a person of integrity who did the unpopular but necessary thing for the good of the party and the country. Sure, he gets what he wants as well, and Bridges was unable to stop him.
        
        What has he done well? His very first speech, where he said he’d focus on what was best for NZ, not what’s wrong with the government. He has positioned National as the safe economic stewards to get us out of the mess that COVID put us in. I think he’s made a fair start, but the election’s not until September.
        
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        June 13, 2020 5:43pm
    - tf78
      
      I think they’ve turned Muller into a Shearer – waiting for the ….. drum roll here please, the Great and the Wonderful, none other than – Christopher Luxon ( or whatever his name is). Simon was the man we needed and still need. He put the shits up Winnie and Cindy, that is a win, win to me.
      
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      June 13, 2020 8:05pm
  - oldfella
    
    Yeah, wondered about that. Muller and DFP both absent and recuperating from minor surgery at the same time. The SAME time.
    Hmm, look, I don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist, but is it possible that Muller and DFP are … the same person? Like Superman and Clarke Kent?
    There! It’s out there for debate.
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:01am
- tf78
  
  Stop the use of Maori everywhere no more Kia ora etc. – that where it started. We are an English speaking country and have been for over 100 years why would anyone want to go back in time.
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:36am
  - Inandout
    
    tf78, that Travers guy on Magic radio starts just about every sentence with a Maori phrase. How you weave that language into a builders’ show confounds me. Travers seems to be on call night and day.
    
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    June 13, 2020 3:01pm
- kloyd0306
  
  It’s over for National.
  Muller is gutless. Kaye is a liberal who would be more comfortable as a Labour MP.
  Be prepared for a bath in September. Muller will not lead the party in 2023.
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:42am
  - Inandout
    
    kloy, National will get smashed in September and later in the year it will be perfect time to change leadership. i think Judith would rather have a comfortable majority of backers to take the helm.
    
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    June 13, 2020 3:04pm
    - Two bob
      
      judith vs luxon be worth sitting down with popcorn to watch that play out.
      
      luxons got a bit more charisma but judiths probably the more logical choice, will be interesting to say the least.
      
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      June 13, 2020 4:35pm
      - Sacha
        
        There’s, what – 96 days to the election? Plenty of time for another Palace Coup. It worked for Labour in 2017, didn’t it?
        Let’s go!!!!!!
        Otherwise, it’s ACT for me
        
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        June 13, 2020 7:03pm
Yvette

There exists a publication online called “MURDER AT PIKE RIVER MINE?” and to perhaps give it some context, it was reading recommended by late activist Penny Bright, on her Watchdog website.
I do not believe what it proposes is true, but I do wonder if some people do, to some degree.

But whether “MURDER AT PIKE RIVER MINE?” is regarded as valid, or is fully questionable, it is known that Pike River “family members” are aware of this “publication” . However there is no direct public indication of their interest or belief of its content, nor is there any gauge of the credibly it has – either fully, partially possible, or not at all – in the opinion that Winston Peters or Andrew Little may place in the same material – it being assumed that Pike families will have discussed it with them. (It could explain Winston’s interest if he thinks to some degree or other he has discovered another Wine Box Case)

So now in terms of recovery of human remains, Little said he has always maintained there is a very low probability of recovery. “I would put it as more than remote – but it is very low.”

Instead The minister in charge of the Pike River Mine recovery effort, Andrew Little, says it is “just impractical” to expect the remains of all of the fallen miners to be recovered.
Instead, the re-entry efforts are now essentially solely focused on gathering evidence in the “homicide of 29 men”
He likened the recovery efforts to a police homicide investigation – “which is effectively what this is”.
___________

“MURDER AT PIKE RIVER MINE?” blurb –
What was the real truth behind the Pike River coal mine disaster in New Zealand killing 29 men? Was the tragedy simply an ́accident’ or was it premeditated murder? Involving people at the highest level of the New Zealand Government and international business and banking community? Does this case have implications for the world?
It proposes that Pike River was sabotaged so mining could be turned to more commercially viable open-cast. Is that credible?
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June 13, 2020 8:57am
- Steve Todd
  
  Is that credible?
  
  No.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:04am
  - lifesgood
    
    Well if Penny Bright recommended it, then, no.
    
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    June 13, 2020 1:26pm
- septic skeptic
  
  I think the whole open cast idea is a myth. My understanding is that while open cast has never been seriously looked at – it is simply not economic at Pike. Plus of course you would not and should not ever get permission for that in a National Park.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:15am
  - Two bob
    
    Was it the greens or the cost that stopped the access road pushing further up the valley to the original proposed portal and secondary access tunnel?
    
    My understanding is the tunnel they are “recovering” was plan B or C and not what was originally intended. I wouldve thought a road would be easier to construct then tunneling through rock?
    
    Open cast would have literally had to move mountains and is only viable for shallow deposits.
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:25am
  - Inandout
    
    septic, Huntly was open cast and was still closed so we could import coal from Indonesia.
    
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    June 13, 2020 3:07pm
kevn

@Captn… Or is the media just ignoring Muller? Like they did with Bridges.
For 50 mill that’s what the CoL would expect, media subservience.
Such a transparent tactic. Plebs don’t seem to have noticed yet.
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June 13, 2020 8:57am
- Two bob
  
  bridges at least got his face voice and opinion out there regardless. now the silence from national is deafening!! Muller said his first day he wouldnt oppose stuff just for the sake of it because theyre opposition… because not much noise is being made does that mean they are largely in agreement with CoL?
  
  not really a good way to beat your opponent
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:30am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Muller says this election is too important as the recovery can’t be left to the incompetent COL cabinet. While undoubtedly true, that argument is going to be hard to sell if the choice is between a popular figure and Mr Nobody supported by his largely unknown but allegedly very competent shadow ministers.
    I think ACT should do fairly well. At least Seymour has some profile and has the courage to advocate for some right wing policies.
    
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    June 13, 2020 12:35pm
- MCos
  
  I have no doubt that the media will pay attention to Todd Muller once he says something. His caucus team has no trouble getting media exposure.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:56am
Happychappy

This is just another example of Jacinda’s selfishness and bullshit as she kicks another of the business world in the guts after his help in the business advisory group and COVID-19 without even a thank you for the input a knowledge he gave, Rob Fyfe deserves better after the help he gave the Coalition after they called him in to give advice after winning the last election.https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/rob-fyfe-departs-business-advisory-role-with-no-thanks-from-pm/
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June 13, 2020 8:59am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Perhaps Rob Ftfe has finally realised what a useless mob they are, and even with his help, they are unable to get anything done. I think he was a bit foolish to believe they would take his advice.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:34am
  - marcw
    
    He lost any credibility to me when he joined the Pike River Recovery farce. I still can’t understand how he thought this would achieve anything (but waste money, lots of it).
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:47am
    - Happychappy
      
      It still doesn’t get over the fact that Jacinda is all take with give in her world of so called kindness.
      
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      June 13, 2020 11:17am
- tf78
  
  I heard he found dear leader so thick he didn’t want to deal with her – just Robertson.
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:45am
- kwkiwigirl
  
  You can imagine the brick walls Fyfe would have run into with some of the civil servant bureaucrats he would have come across who thought Fyfe was invading their patch.
  
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  June 13, 2020 6:06pm
Fletch

Is the media is being used as a blunt instrument to attack Marist College because Duncan Garner’s daughter attends and is one of the girls attacking the school for Black Lives Matter posters being removed?

The AM Show host Duncan Garner has a daughter at Marist College who he said is one of the students involved in the school’s Black Lives Matter movement.

Garner said the school overreacted to the posters being put up.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/leaked-audio-marist-college-principal-threatens-police-action-over-black-lives-matter-poster-dispute.html

Seems like it to me… The school and the principal only doing their jobs.
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June 13, 2020 9:03am
- Tricati
  
  If the girls at that school protested about the killing and maiming of Maori babies and children then they would have my support – To pick up another woke campaign that has bugger all to do with NZ, then I see it as virtue signalling grandstanding and good on the teachers for calling it out.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:24am
- Sacha
  
  Bravo to the Principal who took the posters down. Schools should be apolitical (hahaha – excuse me while I laugh) and kids should be learning history so that they don’t repeat the errors of their forefathers.
  And when I mention history, I’m talking of centuries, not days/weeks.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:29am
- bruceavon
  
  I know people at the school. terrible situation being dragged through the press after having the covid thing happen. Principals only been there a short while. The problem was not the posters or content but that they didn’t want to talk to senior pupil leaders or management at the school about putting them up, where etc. not about the posters but basic manners and following rules. Duncan Garners daughter being involved surely inflamed things. But he is apparently not even allowed on school grounds. I hope this dies down and the school can go back to work. the idea any of these kids are some sort of freedom fighting martyrs is plain wrong.
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:03am
  - Jack5
    
    Bruceavon says Garner is apparently not even allowed on school grounds.”
    
    Intelligent school principal.
    
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    June 13, 2020 3:58pm
Aunty

I was looking at the John Hopkins website on the world’s coronavirus cases and deaths this morning. Given the dreadful contagion that is happening now in parts of the second and third world, India, Russia, Brazil, Pakistan, Bangladesh, South Africa, the rest of Africa, Latin America, etc, where robust testing regimes and medical care is often patchy at best or currently unavailable for most with coronavirus, it is clear that we are now well over 1 million deaths from the virus and counting.

It is a dreadful situation.

Hospitals in New Dehli are overwhelmed at the moment, and patients are simply turned away. Families cannot get medical care for their sick family members at all. Which means that sadly, many of these will die.

It is very distressing for all concerned. And this tragic situation is being played out all across the subcontinent as we speak.

And of course, it goes without saying what is happening to the poor there and around the world. And their deaths and their positive cases for the virus are simply never officially recorded.

I fear we may end up with 3 to 4 even 5 million deaths globally by the time this thing has burnt itself out, or we have a vaccine.
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June 13, 2020 9:07am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  5 million is less than 0.5% of the population of India alone.
  Try 100 million and you might be closer to the mark.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:54am
- Jules99
  
  An interesting observation….
  
  Rahul KM, Faculty of Economics & Business, Goethe University – Frankfurt am Main, Germany
  
  Discussing the role of skin colour, diet and vitamin D related to Covid-19, with particular focus on India.
  
  https://youtu.be/2V21MLAGaB0
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:55am
Old White Loser

Those who want to pull down statutes and erase history, should instead leave them as they are and build monuments to their own view point of history.

This will allow New Zealanders to see both view points and decide for themselves the truth.

They are changing nothing only creating differences and hatred!
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June 13, 2020 9:08am
- Swifty
  
  I find it a bit like those twerps who periodically try to shame fast food outlets into going halal and often by saying that such a move will prove lucrative.
  
  If it’s so damn important to them, and/or so damn lucrative then why don’t they just do it themselves?
  
  Of course we know the answer – it is far easier to bully other people into doing what you want rather then doing it yourself.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:54am
  - Paulus
    
    Swifty
    Don’talk about Cindy like that – she is brilliant and we all do what she tells us !
    
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    June 13, 2020 3:20pm
- Nickc2
  
  They are playing a game that gives oxygen to the Labour and Maori parties leading up to our election.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:27am
[email protected]

Grant Robertson is now saying that businesses should be dipping into savings in order to pay employees.

Sir, they already have been since the wage subsidy does not pay even the minimum wage nor any business costs (rent, insurance, electric, phone, etc., etc., etc.).
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June 13, 2020 9:20am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What savings? Unless they are financial institutions themselves, they do not have large piles of uncommitted liquid resources. There is always next months bills to pay. What happens when the customers don’t pay you? Business can slow down or drastically drop off too. Then competition may price new contracts at zero margins above outlay costs. That affects the whole industry as low or nil margins allow no room for any further risks.
  A pile of cash on hand for many businesses is their assurance of continuity for the next three months.
  
  The Min. Fin needs more experience.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:49am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    About 3 months more experience will be enough thanks.
    
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    June 13, 2020 9:57am
  - barnacle bill
    
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    GR will get another six years in the roll of finance minister.
    
    He is good now, imagine how great he will be after another 6 years.
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:04am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      If a talent to spray unlimited amounts of money in all directions with no targeting or accountability makes him good, yes I will agree with you.
      
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      June 13, 2020 10:11am
      - Tricati
        
        And he raised the minimum wage at the stage of the covid lock-down and now wonders why employers are finding it hard – Grant, the formula is like this: Raise business costs then shut down their income, they will fail – Its bloody simple.
        
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        June 13, 2020 10:27am
      - barnacle bill
        
        As is most other countries in the world Captain.
        
        Right or wrong, only time will tell, and besides, the virus is still rampant in a lot of other countries.
        Who would know how it is all going to play out.
        
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        June 13, 2020 10:31am
  - Sacha
    
    ‘Turnover’ is a continuous process –
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:32am
  - oldfella
    
    What experience did our Min of Finance have before getting this gig?
    Is he an economist? Accountant? Does he have the kind of background that would let him read, and understand complex spreadsheets?
    Why do I suspect the answer to my question is No.
    And as to how much Cindy understands…
    BTW, one big plus Aussie has is that Scott Morrison was previously that country’s Treasure, and to watch him at media conferences you can just see he knows what he’s talking about, without actually talking down to anyone.
    Cindy? Are you listening?
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:11am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And Scott Morrison was behind the 100% Pure NZ campaign…..
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/364867/scott-morrison-s-rise-to-australia-s-top-job
      
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      June 13, 2020 1:32pm
  - chukar
    
    Could do it with reserves like local government claims it has.
    Their reserve balances are reliant on the income stream that sustains a particular reserve.
    In other words borrowed money.
    Seriously == Not practical for most businesses.
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:27am
- Nickc2
  
  Shows how much the bastard knows about running a business doesn’t it.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:29am
- Two bob
  
  easy for robbo to say when he can just print off a few billion and not actually have to spend a cent of personal money.
  
  funny how the ones so critical of everyone else are generally the least affected.
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:29am
- DeepBlue
  
  I can’t get over the number of comments on Facebook news sites that the wage subsidy should have saved jobs. They have no understanding how much employers had to top up wages to get to 80 or 100% with very little income. Nor an understanding that business decisions are based on future revenue,
  risk and the operating environment. Many businesses were hurting pre Covid because of this government.
  
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  June 13, 2020 1:09pm
  - Two bob
    
    I feel bad for the bulk of the employers getting shamed for letting staff go now the subsidy ended. no doubt most dipped into their pockets to 80% top up and now they get betrayed by employees and govt investigations.
    
    I bet if they could go do it over those employers would just ditch the staff at the start and not worry about subsidies.
    those ungratefull staff would have made more noise at 250bux jobseeker they should be thankful they got 585+ instead while their employers accounts soared into the red.
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:26pm
- Paulus
  
  You can Robertson has never run any business but only leached from the populous – creep.
  
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  June 13, 2020 3:21pm
Swifty

CBS Reports (1964): “D-Day Plus 20 Years – Eisenhower Returns to Normandy”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNaxTXfjfXk
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June 13, 2020 9:33am
cmm

Why don’t people accept the statues of Brits as what they are: symbols of freedom?

Nobody did more to end slavery and bring progressive freedoms to people of the world than the British Empire.
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June 13, 2020 9:36am
- krazykiwi
  
  But they are white, cmm. Perpetuation of the Marxist narrative requires the populace to be wracked with lashings of liberal white guilt, and pillared if they are not
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:06am
- SGA
  
  In that case, there should be plenty of people to celebrate who helped end it rather than those who perpetuated it and profited by it?
  History is a mixed bag, cmm. For every William Wilberforce there’s also a Thomas Thistlewood in the wings. The British slavery in the Caribbean was pretty ugly (and lasted another 30 years after the slave trade itself was curtailed).
  
  That said, I’m in no hurry to see Thomas Jefferson’s face dynamited off Mt Rushmore, say.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:10am
  - oldfella
    
    Perhaps some kamikaze lefty will fly a plane into Mount Rushmore and clean out that bunch of ‘bad’, while, men. Then then can re-carve the mountain to suit current sensibilities.
    Anyone like to suggest who’d be carved up there if they were doing to today? MLK? Obama? Hillary Clinton (just kidding), Neil Armstrong? Trump!?
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:24am
- MCos
  
  The other day you inferred there was nothing wrong with slavery.
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:05am
  - MCos
    
    “Saying slavery is wrong is a value judgement from a particular viewpoint, just like saying meat eating is wrong or whatever.“
    cmm
    
    You could say that anything you like is a value judgement, if you believe that.
    
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    June 13, 2020 12:14pm
    - Mike
      
      He’s a cultural Marxist – obsessed with moral relativism…
      
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      June 13, 2020 12:49pm
  - cmm
    
    I did not say there is nothing wrong with slavery. I said there is nothing inherently wrong with slavery. Big difference.
    
    Slavery is abhorrent to us (westerners) now, but it continues to be accepted in some areas.
    
    Saying it is a value judgement does not mean slavery is not wrong. Applying the values of today we see slavery as being wrong. We should rout it out and we should revere those that helped defeat it.
    
    200 years ago there was widespread slavery practiced by many cultures and it was not thought wrong. It was just accepted as part of the human condition.
    
    Those slaves taken off to the Caribbean
    
    If people are really getting bent out of shape by slavery (and I think they should be), then why worry about a place and time we cannot do anything about (ie. 200 years ago). If you are really worried about slavery then go protest outside mosques and the Saudi Embassy etc because almost all modern slavery is practiced in Islamic countries.
    
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    June 13, 2020 1:36pm
  - IC5000
    
    Like a lot of judgements That really depends on whose boots or shackles you’re standing in.
    
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    June 13, 2020 4:03pm
Maggie Pie

Good morning team.
Anyone know how much Vodka goes in scrambled eggs?
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June 13, 2020 9:50am
- Swifty
  
  All that you have to hand.
  
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  June 13, 2020 9:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @Maggie Pie
  
  What are you doing, you silly girl?
  
  Vodka will rapidly denature the uncooked albumin and you’ll end up with rubbery/ watery scrambled eggs.
  
  Now if you want vodka-cooked eggs……try cracking an egg carefully into a glass of vodka…..wait for an hour or two.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:26am
  - Sacha
    
    Back in the ’60’s – I seem to remember a bottle full of yellow liquid claiming to have both vodka and eggs as ingredients.
    The thought never appealed to me although some thought of it as breakfast substitute.
    
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    June 13, 2020 10:39am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Hey thanks for that you guys.
  My partners mum is joining us for brunch and i didn’t want to risk f–king it up.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:48am
  - fernglas
    
    You should soak the Big Mac buns in the vodka, then flambe the meal. Very cross-cultural and hip.
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:37am
- Two bob
  
  any ammount you wish but the only mixing bowl thats suitable is your stomach.
  mixing order is negotiable eggs or vodka 1st dosent matter however vodka 1st can sometimes lead to no eggs or burnt eggs.
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:47am
- [email protected]
  
  Dutch advocaat is a beverage made from eggs, sugar, and brandy. The rich and creamy drink has a smooth, custard-like consistency. The typical alcohol content is generally between 14% and 20% ABV. Its contents may be a blend of egg yolks, aromatic spirits, sugar or honey, brandy, vanilla, and sometimes cream.
  
  Could try it with Vodka?
  
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  June 13, 2020 1:05pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    With cherry brandy it was called “fallen angel”
    
    https://www.mixingcocktails.com.au/cocktails/fallen-angel
    
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    June 13, 2020 1:11pm
  - Sacha
    
    advocaat – that’s what I was thinking of! A bit over-rated, we thought, back in the day. But if I ever need to go on a liquid diet, it might be worth looking at again – especially with the Cherry Brandy.
    At present, I have a collection of tiny chocolate bottles with a variety of liqueur fillings. I’m keeping them for an emergency.
    
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    June 13, 2020 7:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Annual garden/Park Bird survey coming up……

Some good photos of common birds in this article

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/home-property/nz-gardener/121660387/take-part-in-the-new-zealand-garden-bird-survey
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June 13, 2020 9:53am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  The photos are stunning – we have had the recent arrival of a kingfisher who has taken up residence and he is also a beautiful fellow
  
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  June 13, 2020 12:09pm
Inandout

Mt Peters you are next on the chopping block:
‘Speaking exclusively to MailOnline, Mr Holland said: ‘The sight of Churchill boarded up is to large numbers of Britons is very sinister’.
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June 13, 2020 9:54am
Two bob

time for a radical overhaul of governence and its ways in NZ.
there must be a better way to elect our REPRESENTATIVES (not free thinking muppets) and we need decent controls and measures to hold them to account… like actual accountablity not a sad face and hollow apology.

we need to end career politicians or at least performance based pay, we need to rid empty promises and bribes and exchange for real and logical action backed by actual facts stats and data not cherry picked biased crap to back up claims.

what are your suggestions?

Could it be a simple term limit, say an mp has 6yrs they can be elible. would that be motivation to get shit done and end the pandering and empty promises to keep a snout in the trough?
What about ridding half the seats in parliament from career politicians and ballot us sorition process to select the remainder from a pool of ppl from all walks of life?
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June 13, 2020 9:57am
- Jacinda Ardhern
  
  That’s what the ballot is for.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:08am
  - Two bob
    
    a ballot for any that throw their hat in the ring you could be an ex mp, house wife, teacher or a bum etc would be voluntry entry open to any legal citizen of nz.
    
    Personally id like a full sorition style selection e.g same as jury duty if youre on the electoral roll and eligible to vote if your names drawn you have 3yrs service to your country.
    
    pay them well and gaurantee their current job position will remain open so they can return to previous life and career.
    
    would obviously still need at least some career politicians who know how processes work but the selected joe public would be a great way to hold them to account for things that matter to real street level kiwis.
    
    even 1/4- 1/3 of parliament selected this way would have ACTUAL power to the people, sure there will be lots of differing views but the collective between them would get a far clearer picture of whats good bad and fair. they dont have to worry about re election so back handers and corruption would decline.
    many lobby groups have backroom deals for policy= votes or donations. the glaringly obvious right now is fishing forestry racing with nz1st. farming and foreign investment with national. unions and UN influence etc for labour. greenpeace potheads and twig n tweet for greens
    im sure Act will have some too but in general they are probably the least influenced of the main party groups.
    
    theres drawbacks for any system but god there must be a better way.
    
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    June 13, 2020 12:05pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  MMP gives us less protection then previously. No one was expecting the rogue result when Winston, who should have been retired, selected a young wannabe communist to the role of PM.
  
  We have no review mechanism: the Courts cannot oversee Parliament. The Queen has NZ among her realm but will not intervene. We are only left with triennial ~~elections~~ selections.
  
  Tighten the rules about candidature. A minimum age of 40 would be starter or a minimum personal net worth of $250K.
  List MP’s must go. Better to FPP. The function of Parliament is Executive Government not a Student Union Debating Society.
  The representatives do not need to cover all the diverse social threads possible. The regional candidates give a good spread of practical community concerns. They are less inclined to favour wetas against workers. Being a small country all those many interests will bubble up anyway and those who have the capacity to be executives can decide harmoniously how to provide for them if merited.
  
  There is no point in having proportional representation in Parliament for concerns not directly relevant to practical governance. Every member needs experience of how their world works.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:34am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Tighten the rules about candidature. A minimum age of 40 would be starter or a minimum personal net worth of $250K.
    
    I would be quite happy with the minimum age being set at 25, but setting a minimum personal net worth figure is not a goer; it is elitist, and would exclude many fine people, for whom the acquisition of significant personal wealth is not the most important goal in life, from serving as an MP.
    
    The $300 deposit has been in place since 1993. That should be raised to $1,000, and the number of nominators each electorate candidate needs to have, should be raised from two, to at least 10.
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:01am
    - IC5000
      
      > but setting a minimum personal net worth figure is not a goer; it is elitist, and would exclude many fine people,
      
      I think that’s the whole point.
      
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      June 13, 2020 4:09pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        I think that’s the whole point.
        
        On first reading, that was my conclusion, too. However, Kev has since posted a clarification, at 1:06PM, below. I’m now giving him the benefit of the doubt.
        
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        June 13, 2020 6:31pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    The function of Parliament is Executive Government […].
    
    No, the function of Parliament is to hold the Executive to account.
    
    Kev, you seem to want a parliament that represents your interests only. That is not going to happen.
    
    I want a parliament that represents, as much as possible, the interests of as many people as possible. That can only happen with STV.
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:44am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      My interest’s are fairly modest. I want a parliament that can get things done, one that can discern between light rail and trams and their modern replacement, buses, one that can build infrastructure and see that a thriving economy is promoted so a good living for all the citizens is possible and one that provides reasonably for those unable to care for themselves–a frugal social welfare state. (Taxpayers still have to live.)
      
      I’m not particularly fond of elites. Many of the present generation seem to have left the humanity behind to worship money. My reason for an asset test to only to prove accomplishment and through that indirectly ability. That has been a classic test.
      
      I’m happy to consider other choices but I expect honesty/integrity and capability in any appointments to high office. That would apply to all MP’s.
      Your advocacy of TPV has got me interested. We must have a change and List MP’s must go. Those seeking to be MP’s must show themselves to the voters before they occupy seats and then prove they’re mutes and incompetent as well. The current COL benches are a shocker. How far can representation go before the statistical attraction to the mean brings mediocrity. The selection of people to Govern needs to be from the right hand tail of the population ability. The alternative is to include the senile, infirm, druggies, morons–where’s the cutoff? Proven ability is a safeguard although not a performance guarantee.
      
      If Parliament is to cover the full spectrum of human views it can never govern. It will be taken over by the machinations of those who would suppress freedom for their own ideologies. That may already be too late to fix.
      
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      June 13, 2020 1:06pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Ah, that’s more like it, although I’m still concerned that you consider a person’s worth to be commensurate with their wealth – that’s still essentially what you’re saying.
        
        Fortunately, it is not possible for any parliament, no matter how large, or how its members are elected, to cover the full spectrum of human views. For example, with STV (single transferable vote), if an electoral district consisted of, say, 10 seats (Quota = 9.091%, i.e., 100 / 11), and there are 40 candidates, the 40 unequal groups of voters get reduced to 10 nearly equal opinion groups, each group with its own representative.* Those representatives might be 4 National, 3 Labour, 1 Green, 1 ACT, and 1 Independent (“local hero”).
        
        * The 11th, unsuccessful group, comprising 9.090% of the voters, whose votes accumulated upon the runner-up candidate, get nothing. (In 2017, in Wairarapa, the National candidate, Alistair Scott, won with 41.40% of the vote, meaning 58.60% of the voters got nothing.)
        
        In voting, different voters may attach different weight to several criteria simultaneously. STV gives proportional representation of this opinion structure of the electorate with an accuracy dependent only on the number of representatives simultaneously elected. STV gives freedom of choice to voters and ensures, as far as possible, that that choice is satisfied and not distorted or frustrated.
        
        Nearly every person who votes has an equal effect on the result and is directly represented by someone whom he or she has helped to elect.
        
        STV ensures that the best candidates on offer, in the collective opinion of those voting, are elected, and that the lesser lights are rejected. For example, in my scenario in the second paragraph, above, where National had, say, 42% support (and therefore could only get four candidates elected (4 x 9.091% = 36.364%), but gave their supporters a choice of 7 candidates from which to choose), that would mean that the three least-favoured of National’s candidates, were rejected.
        
        I would suggest that, in a representative democracy, it would be pretty hard to get much better than that.
        
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        June 13, 2020 2:39pm
  - MCos
    
    Suits me.
    No more ACT Party. Seymour is nowhere near 40. Just squeak in next time unless the election is called early.
    
    Anyone can borrow $250,000 from someone in the family for the duration of the required period so that would never fly.
    
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    June 13, 2020 1:26pm
  - bruceavon
    
    Kev what you are really saying is the government doesn’t fit what you want. “ No one was expecting the rogue result when Winston, who should have been retired, selected a young wannabe communist to the role of PM.” well Winston choosing was always on the cards, and I knew he would pick Ardern based on the fact National tried to get rid of him at the election and the long bad blood. Plus Peters must have felt confident he could boss Ardern around. As for the rest just because you don’t like the result you can’t expect the system to change. The system is our elected one, two referendums, there is no need for a review system. We have as be to work with what we have.
    
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    June 13, 2020 2:54pm
    - Sacha
      
      The main flaw with MMP as far as I’m concerned is that the party with the majority vote does not get the opportunity to form a coalition. It should never be the role of a small minority party, ever.
      We all know that this would have resulted in a National-led government after 2017, and it would have been a fair outcome. As it is, the majority of voters were ignored, and that is (still) manifestly unfair.
      
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      June 13, 2020 7:39pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        But National (the party with the largest minority of the vote) did get the opportunity “to form a coalition” after the last election. NZ First negotiated with both National and Labour, but, presumably, Labour was prepared to give more than National was, so Winston chose Jacinda.
        
        If the electoral law specifically required National to kick off the negotiations, how would the outcome have been any different? Who would National have teamed up with to enable Bill to say to the Governor-General, “I command a majority in the House”? Answer: no-one. It was Winston, or bust.
        
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        June 13, 2020 9:27pm
- Steve Todd
  
  As I have been saying here for nearly seven years now, MPs should be elected by STV (without Party boxes) in large) )) multimember electoral districts.
  
  Very briefly: all MPs would be directly elected; you can vote against sitting MPs without voting against your party, i.e., safe seats for parties, but not necessarily for individual MPs – there would be at least one marginal seat in each multimember electorate.
  
  Consequently, STV (in large electorates) gives a very high degree of voter choice, along with a high degree of proportionality, not only of parties, but also of other groupings that matter to voters. Independents / “local heroes” also have a realistic chance of being elected.
  
  Regarding the notion that some MPs could be selected by sortition. Not a good idea.
  
  There would have to be exemptions from the selection process (as with the jury system). How long would people, some (many?) of whom would not really want to be required to abandon their lives / families, pastimes, etc., to be an MP, be required to serve? One term? Two? One year!?
  
  Do we want a large slice of parliament to consist of inexperienced amateurs, many of whom would prefer to be somewhere else? Or, as with the jury system, consisting predominantly of people who are retired, or who couldn’t come up with a good enough reason to “get out of it”?
  
  The only alternative to MMP is STV.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:47am
  - chukar
    
    Great to see this coming up again.
    Thanks folks
    The anti democratic mess we have now must be reviewed and changed as soon as possible.
    
    NZ is suffering.
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:35am
  - Nickc2
    
    I don’t think it will matter what type of electoral system we have once Cindy gets to finisher her next term (assuming her corrupt mob are elected), Communism/Socialism will be here to stay unless we overthrow them by force.
    I can’t recall a Communist government that was thrown out via the ballet box. Some have changed the name of their system eg Russia, but today, its still a Communist system.
    
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    June 13, 2020 12:16pm
  - Two bob
    
    is stv how we elect local council?
    
    Problem is we still have to choose the best of a bad bunch eg. giant douche or turd sandwich scenario.
    
    the longer a politician plays the game the more likely they get exposed and corrupted by back channel lobby groups.
    Fresh faces and new ideas every few years, do we want change and progress or the stagnant political shite weve endured the last few decades.
    
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    June 13, 2020 2:04pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Yes, a number of local councils are elected by STV, including Tauranga, New Plymouth, Palmerston North, Porirua, Wellington City, Marlborough and Dunedin.
      
      the longer a politician plays the game the more likely they get exposed and corrupted by back channel lobby groups.
      
      If MPs were elected from at least 10-seat electoral districts (quota 9.09%) there would be a high turnover of the lesser-performing MPs at each election, both because of a collapse in support for many of them, and from natural attrition.
      
      Don’t forget, with STV, the voters can replace an MP who has been found wanting with a candidate of the same party.
      
      STV is a realistic change to the way we elect MPs, although it must be said that MMP is here to stay – at least for another generation.
      
      As far as I’m aware, sortition is not used anywhere to select members of public bodies. Should you set out on it, you will find the road to sortition will be long and hard, and, ultimately, your efforts will almost certainly be unsuccessful.
      
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      June 13, 2020 4:00pm
      - Two bob
        
        youre probably right about sorition, ppl want change but human nature dosent allow for too much variance before an idea is rejected entirely.
        
        the problem with any electoral change is to get 120 clowns to vote to lose their easiest path to a paycheque.
        Would involve starting a movement and party, get elected and hope for a king maker scenario. its possible as winnie has proved that a couple of times now.
        
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        June 13, 2020 4:47pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Two bob @ 4:47PM
        
        Oh how right you are.
        
        In the UK, the Electoral Reform Society has been trying to get the House of Commons elected by STV since 1884! They hoped to succeed by 1885, when FPP was adopted, but are no closer to success now than they were then.
        
        I have set out the struggle we went through to get STV as an option for local elections, here: http://www.votingmatters.org.uk/ISSUE16/P6.HTM.
        
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        June 13, 2020 6:05pm
      - Two bob
        
        @ Steve Todd
        thanks for the link ill have a good read later on.
        
        so it seems going down official and traditional pathways is a tireless and fruitless effort, pushing shit uphill with a rake would seem easier.
        
        its quite obvious that if change were to happen its not going to come easy, activism over lobbying would prob achieve more and faster.
        I wonder what jacinda would think as shes all about fairness and equality!! stv would literaly make every vote count. (Which is the lefts slogans to young voters)
        
        I think our country is going to have to be in its deathrows before any major changes to any way governence happens, will be too little too late.
        
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        June 13, 2020 9:30pm
  - Jack5
    
    Steve, can you please help us understand the maths underneath STV? I hear there are variations, so which do you recommend?
    
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    June 13, 2020 4:18pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Hello, Jack.
      
      Like everything in life, STV, too, has developed, and been greatly improved, over time. (You might recall last December, I posted that today, being 17 December, was STV’s 200th birthday.)
      
      I recommend the version of STV that I (along with others) fought long and hard to get, between 1992 and 2001 – STV by Meek’s method, which is the method used to elect some local councils (and the Greater Wellington Regional Council), and seven members of each of our 20 DHBs.
      
      New Zealand was the first country in the world to adopt the Meek version of STV for public elections. Meek’s method uses the power of computers to treat every vote cast in an identical manner, i.e., scrupulously fairly. With Meek’s method, a proportion of every vote that got a candidate up over the quota, is transferred to the next-available-preference candidate.
      
      With hand-counting rules, the last parcel of votes only, that put a candidate up over the quota, are transferred to next-preference candidates. That is a necessary short-cut that, nevertheless, introduces the unequal treatment of votes into the count.
      
      Okay, the mathematics. Obviously, if you put ‘Single Transferable Vote’ into Wikipedia, you will see articles that explain the various methods. You will also see a comment there somewhere, to the effect that New Zealand has adopted the best method of STV (Meek’s method) for some public elections.
      
      I think it best that I refer you to my papers, at https://dunedinstadium.wordpress.com/2010/08/26/in-defence-of-stv-2/. Scroll down to the bottom of the article and you will see links to six papers, the first five of which are my mentor’s – the late Dr I. D. (David) Hill (who was a former Chairman of the Technical Committee of the Electoral Reform Society in the UK) – / mine. I recommend you read the third and fifth papers (in that order) first, then the others if you’re interested. Those two papers set out the mathematics of Meek’s method in an easily understandable way, the fifth paper doing so using an actual election (Cargill Ward 2004).
      
      Please get back to me if you want any clarifications.
      
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      June 13, 2020 5:44pm
Maggie Pie

My partner believes it’s time for people to chose.
Are you a New Zealander – or a supporter of this Labor government?
You can’t love this country and be both.
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June 13, 2020 10:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just like the Dems and antifa. They hate America
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:40am
  - IC5000
    
    One fish, a paua fritter and one scoop of freedom fries thanks
    
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    June 13, 2020 4:11pm
- chaos
  
  Does anyone else think that maybe Maggie was killed a long time ago by her partner, and her Skelton is sitting in a chair beside the computer, while her partner dresses up in Maggie’s clothes pretending to be her?
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:41am
  - IC5000
    
    Karma’s a bitch I guess.
    
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    June 13, 2020 5:48pm
- Two bob
  
  its sad to suggest those 2 stark options.
  even worse that its the f**king truth.
  
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  June 13, 2020 12:09pm
KevO'Brien

What is black?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/anonymous-berkeley-professor-shreds-blm-injustice-narrative-damning-stats-and-logic
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June 13, 2020 10:11am
- IC5000
  
  Why not use the one drop rule to determine who is white as well?
  
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  June 13, 2020 5:50pm
Yvette

NZ First reminding Labour who put them in power, with election around the corner
Winston Peters is reminding voters his party’s politics are very different from Labour’s.

Any deal outside of Cabinet should have been an anathema to Winston – considering the condemnation of UNSC Resolution 2334 that Winston insisted be a point in the Coalition Agreement – but Winston supposedly negotiated the ban on future oil and gas exploration, with Ardern and Shaw initially outside of Cabinet, to ensure the passing of his paranoiac waka-jumping law.

So where does Winston now stand on gas exploration?
That was one of Jacinda’s Captain calls – although it could not have been quite as impulsive as some, because time and expense was taken to prepare enormous placards and t-shirts in Labour format, lessening the importance of Greenpeace, and making the acceptance of the “petition” on Parliaments steps an all-Labour affair, for which Ardern held-up a state luncheon, while she attende to the “petition”.

However the ban on future oil and gas exploration now a Labour / New Zealand First / Green policy set in law.
Or, as National says they will reverse it, will New Zealand First do the same?

How would Winston now match National policy on this matter, when Winston has signed away any future gas exploration?

With election around the corner and Winston Peters supposedly reminding voters that New Zealand First’s policies are very different from Labour’s, is he going to give us a list of the differences.
Which of those previous differences, like gas exploration, are not now law?

Winston shouldn’t just say differences from Labour are there – he should name one, even two.
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June 13, 2020 10:22am
- oldfella
  
  I’d still like to see the final coalition deal signed between Labour and NZF. You know, the one that Cindy refuses to share with us.
  Must be someone close to the throne who could leak it.
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:29am
  - Two bob
    
    she wouldnt want her voters to see black and white how much of a sell out she was and how desperate they had become.
    
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    June 13, 2020 12:11pm
    - oldfella
      
      All the more reason for someone to get it and release it.
      I wonder if there are any electronic versions around on hack-able servers?
      Just asking, honestly, not trying to inspire a crime, officer.
      
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      June 13, 2020 12:32pm
      - Two bob
        
        maybe we should just use search function on govt websites?
        Its not like the CoL has had multiple data breaches that a 5yr old could have accessed 🙂
        
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        June 13, 2020 4:55pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I expect only three people have seen it. Winston’s lawyer who will have drafted it, Winston and Ardern.
    
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    June 13, 2020 1:50pm
I remember when

Is forestry and the future purpose of this resource the next major problem/focus for NZ Governments?
Whether or not pine forests will be harvested in the future is becoming an ever more frequent conversation in the industry.
Using trees as carbon sinks is high in green party considerations, but, as with all upside details there is a down side. I was reading about concerns raised by Gisborne forestry experts on future concerns for their region.
Obviously, employment was a major consideration as trees that a grown to be logged, at a later date, are an ongoing labour source. Planting, Pruning and, eventually, being harvested.
After harvesting, there is transportation and work loading them for shipment or timber possessing.
On the East Coast this is an important part of the economy.
If they are only used for ‘carbon capture’ almost all of the employment disappears. Unlike the trees which eventually present a problem similar to the wilding pine problem in the south island.
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June 13, 2020 10:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Article here
  http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/local-news/20200612/carbon-credit-threat-to-gisborne/
  
  I don’t think most NZers realise that as the C-price increases, Forestry on marginal lands will become uneconomic.
  
  The scary scenario is that many towns in NZ will become Kaweraus….. once a town of full employment, now high unemployment, gang-riddled and full of meth-users.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:54am
- kowtow
  
  Nothing shows the perversity of the so called environmental movement than this carbon credit farming.
  
  Once upon a time the movement hated foresters, as they first felled native flora to grow new commercial crops.
  But now that crony capitalism and the carbon scam market have taken over commercial forestry we see an acceptance by the former haters, crazy.
  
  Crazy because of the totally false market for carbon credits , the loss of productive agricultural land and for all the reasons IRW cites above around employent and economic activities lost to this latest enviroponzi scam.
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:03am
I remember when

@ Jacinda Ardhern
That is what the second ballot is for (the Election).
The choice the voter gets is between the candidates the Parties have already selected.
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June 13, 2020 10:35am
Maggy Wassilieff

Are people still happy that no-one in NZ really knows what Rocket Lab is sending into orbit.

What the satellite’s mission is, and what ends it will serve, remain a mystery.

A long read….. but the only place that is attempting to unravel why the USA controls a little bit of NZ.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/members/12-06-2020/the-spy-chief-and-the-payload-the-story-behind-nzs-first-us-spy-satellite-launch/
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June 13, 2020 10:35am
- V
  
  This is typical NZ concearn trolling, we have the ability to put 200kg into space, and suddenly we think we are the moral guardian. Surprised you didn’t ask for each launch to have a representative of the Tangata Whenua on board.
  A regular rocket can put 60+ times this payload into space. Rocket Lab has a paying customer to put small scale experiments into space, it should be applauded.
  
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  June 13, 2020 2:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

BLM. Complete fraud.
https://uniteamericafirst.com/blm-donations-are-going-to-white-politicians-bernie-biden-warren-pete-etc/?fbclid=IwAR0M-AewzXVzAyOWhOvlaXs4Qegw9QlUlRDM_ZfD_kT4s42jfIYDpDyHCpA
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June 13, 2020 10:39am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yeah, pretty rank. I expect many donors could be more interested in virtue signaling than having their donation do something useful.
  
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  June 13, 2020 10:47am
I remember when

Question Time seems to have become a chance for Ministers to say whatever smart a… comment they like as part of the response.
A lot of the comments made must surely be outside of the boundaries acceptable behaviour in the House.
The Opposition have no comeback other than interjection, which stops Trevor hearing the answer.
It seems to be getting much worse with the Election on the horizon.
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June 13, 2020 10:47am
- MCos
  
  You must be new to the game.
  
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  June 13, 2020 1:31pm
Fletch

Checking out stories on Facebook, and I notice one story from Newshub is with a “paid partnership” with Dell.

https://www.facebook.com/NewshubNZ/posts/10158951622973606

So it looks like Newshub are having to rely on partnerships to keep the ship afloat.
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June 13, 2020 10:49am
- kowtow
  
  Shit floats , so it will be around for a wee while yet .
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:20am
- fernglas
  
  Do you honestly think that the news in this country is so interesting that two channels can each fill 90 minutes each evening without soliciting sponsored contributions?
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:42am
All_on_Red

‘You know the rapidly rising umm uh in with uh with I don’t know.” – Joe Biden.’

Video in the Link. This is just cruel to let Biden carry on
https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-margolis/2020/06/11/heres-why-donald-trump-cant-wait-to-debate-joe-biden-n518502
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June 13, 2020 10:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sad really. But Hillary will throw him under the bus soon. He is just a diversion while Hillary faces a lawsuit
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:01am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Place holder?
    
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    June 13, 2020 1:52pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yes. We have not seen the last of that evil woman
      
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      June 13, 2020 3:17pm
  - GJM
    
    The American Democrat voters are actually voting for Binden’s VP, since if he wins, they will be the one running the place. The problem is the no one knows who that will be.
    
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    June 15, 2020 6:35am
- Mike
  
  And yet he has a comfortable lead in the swing states. It’s almost as if people have seen Trump in charge for 3 years and don’t like what they see.
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:05am
  - oldfella
    
    Do you really believe Trump supporters answer honestly when they’re polled? Why would they with all the crap they get from the US MSM?
    Nope, they just stay silent, and then send him back in on a landslide in November leaving the media to say, ‘How did that happen?’.
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:34am
    - Mike
      
      Talk about staying in a bubble…
      
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      June 13, 2020 12:28pm
    - MCos
      
      Dishonesty seems to be a prerequisite for Trumpsters.
      
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      June 13, 2020 3:11pm
Fletch

National MP Chris Penk has written a book called “Flattening the Country” about the Covid pandemic and Labour’s response to it. He is selling physical copies, but a digital version is up on his site at the moment that you can read online.

https://chrispenk.national.org.nz/flattening_the_country
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June 13, 2020 11:00am
Maggie Pie

A friend tweets. Dose anyone else find this concerning?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYKmzaCU4AEDVa9?format=jpg&name=medium
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June 13, 2020 11:01am
- Critical Thinker
  
  “New Zealand Police, and people in New Zealand, do not tolerate offences motivated by hostility against a person because of their race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, disability, religion, political beliefs, age, the office they hold, or similar factors. These offences are also known as “hate” crimes or crimes of prejudice. Where such crimes are reported to Police they are vigorously investigated. Police works closely with representatives of communities and organisations like the Human Rights Commission to protect the rights and freedoms of all New Zealanders.
  
  If you are aware of racially motivated abuse against members of your family or community you should report it.”
  
  https://www.facebook.com/NZPolice/posts/1975234835943823
  
  Well I guess the NZ Police will be getting inundated with calls from the NZ public about hateful abuse… Especially from those whom identify as old straight white male Christians that vote National… ?
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:17am
- chaos
  
  Hmmmm, I wonder if Wellington dub can be reported too the police for racial abuse of patients in need of an operation because they are not Maori of Pacific Islander, so are being ignored while people with less qualifying needs are put first
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:23am
JibberJabber

Funny how leftists get their first ‘autonomous zone’ and the first thing they implement is tight borders and authorities to police.

It’s almost like they’re full of shit.

Avi.
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June 13, 2020 11:08am
- oldfella
  
  JJ, here’s how the Seattle police deal with the newly created autonomous zone and those who live there.
  https://bigleaguepolitics.com/weak-seattle-police-request-permission-to-enter-autonomous-zone-from-left-wing-militants/
  Can’t wait for some of our malcontents to take over our city centres and set up their own zones. I’m sure our PC police would rise to the occasion.
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:44am
  - oldfella
    
    And this is what the local (Democratic) mayor said about protesters taking over her city’s centre.
    https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/brain-dead-mush-brains-seattle-mayor-jenny-durkan-chaz-not-terrorism-patriotism
    
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    June 13, 2020 11:52am
    - oldfella
      
      And what’s happening inside that autonomous zone? Some really bad stuff according the the city’s police chief.
      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/seattle-police-chief-rapes-robberies-sorts-violent-acts-occurring-inside-chaz-anarchist-autonomous-zone-mayor-calls-takeover-patriotism/
      Sounds similar to what happened during Occupy Wall Street which the MSM loved, but which ended in crime and chaos.
      
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      June 13, 2020 12:13pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Ihumatao
    
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    June 13, 2020 1:48pm
    - Two bob
      
      Ihumato with a bigger budget. at least ihumato have a legitimate cause
      
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      June 13, 2020 5:06pm
Critical Thinker

Tens of millions of dollars have now been donated to the BlackLivesMatter organisation by the useful idiots. So where do these donations actually go to you may ask? ?

The “ActBlue” Organisation.
– “Established in June 2004 that enables Democrats, progressive groups, and left-leaning nonprofits.”

https://twitter.com/JasonButtrill/status/1271091823822409728

This demented chaos has all become clear now ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1toK3ODe9U
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June 13, 2020 11:19am
- MrTips
  
  Andy Zee. That’s a name your going to hear a lot of soon.
  
  Fancies himself as the new Saul Alinsky. And he’s busted.
  
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  June 13, 2020 12:14pm
chaos

* I had to say something about the American politicians shameless and ignorantly using the Kente fabric as a prop in their virtue signaling.

*I’m usually more mild mannered than this so please forgive me, I’m upset.*

https://twitter.com/obianuju/status/1270053042340139008
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June 13, 2020 11:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

An abdication of responsibility.

Henry Cooke places responsibility for the Armed Response Trial at Jacinda Ardern’s feet.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300033222/arderns-big-copout-armed-policing-decision-should-never-have-been-left-up-to-cops

He identifies clearly the weaselly way she tries to back away from performing her role as a leader.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern used the phrase politicians roll out whenever they don’t want political accountability over things their governments do: she said the matter was “operational”.
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June 13, 2020 11:23am
Happychappy

I know the old saying goes if you pay peanuts you get monkeys but after seeing how many staff in Auckland City Council and now ChristChurch City Council are paid to do their job it seems that this is also a factor for rates increases and building consents costs and they wonder why the public are not happy.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/121794073/top-christchurch-council-boss-salaries-dwarf-average-worker-pay
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June 13, 2020 11:27am
- Two bob
  
  moral of the story if you pay monkey more then peanuts… you end up with a very overpaid monkey.
  
  kinda like the current govt, throwing lots of money at something dosent make things better.
  
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  June 13, 2020 12:27pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    True; but reducing the pay to peanuts won’t get better performance either.
    
    Certainly, don’t throw money. But intelligently spending what you need to spend to get quality outcomes isn’t “throwing” money, quite the opposite.
    
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    June 13, 2020 12:36pm
    - Two bob
      
      they get paid enough they should sign there names to the dotted line and put their houses and finances on the line and be held accountable for wastage and cost blowouts esp vanity projects.
      
      I seriously dont know how these ppl in charge of blowing others money can sleep at night… sadly the probably sleep quite comfortably.
      
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      June 13, 2020 10:45pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Apparently that is racist too.
    
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    June 13, 2020 1:42pm
Happychappy

Armstrong has a crack at Jacinda Ardern’s corrupt practices and how she is blatantly bending the rules using taxpayer generated revenue in order – run-propagannda- unit.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/john-armstrong-jacinda-ardern-utilising-taxpayer-generated-revenue-in-order-run-propaganda-unit
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June 13, 2020 11:43am
- KevO'Brien
  
  So those ads come from the National Emergency Management Agency–Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet!
  Very dodgy now with an impending election.
  
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  June 13, 2020 1:21pm
Maggie Pie

SATURDAY QUIZ 😀

‘What brand of cigarette did ‘The King’ smoke?
Pic gives the clue……’

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQZ8EJWsAUt8HK?format=jpg&name=900×900
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June 13, 2020 11:48am
- chaos
  
  Is that when he was pregnant?
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:49am
- MrTips
  
  Do you have your partners permission to publish photos of him before bedtime?
  
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  June 13, 2020 12:12pm
Right of way is Way of Right

In April 1920, in New Zealand, three Labour Party MP’s sent a telegram to the Prime Minister of the day, Massey, asking that “steps be immediately taken to deal with the menace” of an “alarming influx of Asiatics and other classes of cheap labour…”

These Labour Party MP’s argued that this influx involved “the lowering of the living standards of our people, as well as the probable deterioration in the physical standard of all races mixing indiscriminately. . .”

One of those MP’s also had some very interesting comments reported in the Hansard of the day in 1920.

“It is a problem that involves the intermixing of the races and the very law of life itself” [HANSARD Parliamentary Debate v.186 1920 pg 216]

“I do not think we want a piebald New Zealand any more than India wants a piebald India. We are very much concerned about our race. We never seem to appreciate the fact that the other race is just as much concerned about theirs. Anyway, there is no one going to deny the fact that the indiscriminate introduction of Asiatics to this country is not going to be in the best interests of this country.” [HANSARD Parliamentary Debate v 186 1920, pg 216,271]

This vile racist? Michael Joseph Savage!

To think our PM proudly displays this mans picture in her office. How dare she!
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June 13, 2020 11:56am
- Swifty
  
  Hahahahaha!
  
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  June 13, 2020 1:03pm
- rockape
  
  If I was a lefty I would be burning his photos. But I am not ,I am a tollerant righty.
  
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  June 13, 2020 5:16pm
Fletch

Matt Walsh makes the point that it’s not white privilege or black privilege being demonstrated worldwide at the moment, put Left Privilege.

It seems to me that the greatest privilege on offer in our culture today is the privilege to be utterly immune from the law. This is the privilege exercised by many of the “protesters.” And though some of them are white males, many are not. It is, then, a privilege that is not dispensed based on race, but on ideology. We might call it Leftist Privilege. A person with the “correct” worldview, especially if he is gathered with a group of other correct-thinking people, can do almost anything he wants. The Powers That Be will bend over backwards to accommodate him and meet his demands.

This includes permitting crime, but also much else besides. Consider all of the corporations and brands that have been tripping over each other to express their support for the radical left-wing Black Lives Matter organization. And it doesn’t always take a mob to get this kind of capitulation from our culture’s most powerful forces. HBO’s streaming service pulled “Gone With The Wind” from its platform this week after one correct-thinking individual wrote an op-ed instructing them to do so. This on the same day that Webster’s dictionary edited its definition of “racism” because a young black woman emailed and said they should. These are just the most recent examples of Leftist Privilege.

As a white man, I have not seen doors open for me, or exceptions made for me, or advantages given to me, just based on my race. In order to obtain those privileges, I must demonstrate my allegiance to the leftist tribe. I must have the “right” views, say the “right” things, hold the “right” opinions and beliefs. This is what the system truly demands, and this is how it grants privilege. Which is no surprise. Leftist long ago seized control of the system. Privilege is simply one of the spoils of victory.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh-the-only-real-privilege-in-america-is-leftist-privilege
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June 13, 2020 12:12pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Do the losers get compensated for the rest of their lives?
  
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  June 13, 2020 1:39pm
chaos

Should of happened long ago

* Auckland politicians begin a diplomatic mission into Waikato on Friday over the role of the Waikato River in solving the drought-hit city’s immediate and longer-term needs for water.

The country’s biggest city is in the grip of unprecedented drought, and the Waikato River feed which began in 2002 is now providing 38 per cent of Auckland’s needs, as its own storage dams deplete.

A double-figure delegation, led by Auckland Mayor Phil Goff and the CEO of the Watercare, will first meet representatives of Hamilton City Council, which may offer Auckland, surplus river water.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/121793816/auckland-drought-watershort-city-seeks-to-take-more-from-waikato-river
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June 13, 2020 12:20pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Why hasn’t the Over Paid CEO organised the building of treatment plants as the city grew??
  
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  June 13, 2020 12:45pm
  - chaos
    
    Incompetence is the only answer
    
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    June 13, 2020 1:00pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Watch out for the hungry taniwha.
  
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  June 13, 2020 1:13pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  The [Deleted – Mod] in charge of water services on Auckland City Council gets paid in excess of three quarters of a million. So he takes a delegation of councillors to the Hamilton City Council to see about extracting water from the Waikato River.
  That [Deleted – Mod] knows more about bananas than he knows about local authorities. He does not realise that the Waikato Regional Council polices the Waikato River and that Hamilton City Council is merely one of several local body authorities within the Waikato Region.
  Someone wrote elsewhere that if you [Deleted – Mod], but in this case Auckland have an overpaid [Deleted – Mod].
  
  [Mod – unacceptable]
  
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  June 13, 2020 3:33pm
  - Nermal
    
    Language unacceptable but post is factual
    
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    June 13, 2020 4:08pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    There is a very old expression that if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.
    Draw from that whatever you like.
    
    [Mod – that in itself would have been acceptable]
    
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    June 13, 2020 5:49pm
  - Michael NZ
    
    Well said. name and shame them…
    
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    June 14, 2020 9:04am
- Two bob
  
  so why keep expanding the city?
  
  why dont we spread the population out a bit and stop straining infrastucture.
  
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  June 13, 2020 5:16pm
- tf78
  
  Why don’t these tossers tell the truth, just for once – it’s not a problem with the supply of water from the Waikato it’s Water Careless’s ability to purify the water for Aucklander’s.
  
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  June 13, 2020 8:22pm
chaos

Common sense

* An episode of classic comedy Fawlty Towers that was pulled from a UK streaming service in the wake of Black Lives Matter protests has been reinstated after star John Cleese slammed the decision.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12339551
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June 13, 2020 12:23pm
- rouppe
  
  Common sense would have been to not withdraw it in the first place.
  
  I’m surprised the Life of Bryan
  Loretta clip hasn’t been removed
  
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  June 13, 2020 1:28pm
oldfella

Oh, look, Faulty Tower’s ‘banned’ German episode gets a reprieve. But will now carry a warning.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8415875/Now-UKTV-REINSTATE-Fawlty-Towers-dont-mention-war-episode.html
The world is not only nuts at the moment, but humour is seriously lacking.
Fortunately, I still get a few laughs on this blog, but only till it’s also banned and taken down for offending some fragile snowflake. Sheesh!
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June 13, 2020 12:29pm
- Prince
  
  I say we should join with the left and demand ALL statues be taken down forthwith, on the understanding that a state house be built on that site, and donated to ‘the most vulnerable’.
  
  In poker terms, we’ll see them and raise them.
  
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  June 13, 2020 1:03pm
All_on_Red

John Cleese on Twitter
‘Hard to tell if I recorded this 30 years or 10 minutes ago…’

Video in Link
https://mobile.twitter.com/johncleese/status/1271535485467283457
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June 13, 2020 12:39pm
- rouppe
  
  Further to that, perhaps those calling for the removal of all the Colonial statues ought to have a look at this
  
  https://youtu.be/Y7tvauOJMHo
  
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  June 13, 2020 1:45pm
niggly

Steve Elers on Professionalising the Police force.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/opinion/300033022/professionalise-new-zealand-police-through-education-better-training

His article last week “George Floyd: No way to rationale violence and looting as an acceptable response”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/opinion/300027985/george-floyd-no-way-to-rationale-violence-and-looting-as-an-acceptable-response

Always excellent to read thoughtful and pragmatic views!
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June 13, 2020 2:02pm
chaos

I think too much is being made of these satellite images. One thing is that the car park in the far top corner is not complete is 2018, the other thing is the angle of the image means that in the 2018 photo it’s not showing behind the buildings and the front of them as the 2019one is

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12339585

* Satellite images may prove China was in grip of outbreak months before announced*
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June 13, 2020 2:20pm
- bruceavon
  
  Yes. Given the headline a somewhat disappointing article. The trouble is China aren’t giving anyone information. It is a freaking disgrace. WHO are forced to fluff around testing chickens on the Vietnamese border to try and work out what’s happening in China.
  
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  June 13, 2020 3:03pm
kevn

Interesting to see one Ritchie Hardcore in the NZ Herald clickbait legalize cannabis sidebar ad.
All got their nose in the trough.
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June 13, 2020 2:45pm
Maggie Pie

Just found this brochure poked in my box….
“PHIL GOFF WANTS TO HIKE YOUR RATES AGAIN”
It’s from the Auckland Ratepaywers Alliance and lists the ‘Eighty-six Auclland Council employess paid more than $250,000! ”

#1 CEO Watercare Raveen Jaduram $775,000
#2 CEO Town Clerk Stephen Town $698,000
#8 CEO Ateed Nick Hill $465,000
#49 Mayor Phil Goff $296,000
(See the full list @ http://www.richlisters.nz)

IT’S A JOKE! No wonder my rates are now over $17k p.a.
And for wot??
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June 13, 2020 2:48pm
- Prince
  
  One thing you can be sure of, if anything goes wrong those guys will keep their jobs.
  Redundancy/Performance Employment actions are for the minnows.
  See Napier City Council shambles for examples.
  
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  June 13, 2020 3:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The other thing that really stands out, is that in the entire list of 86 people earning those ridiculous salaries, only 7 of them are Black people!
    
    There’s Russ Tucker, Christine Perkins, Jacques Victor….plus 4 others that seem to have a ‘question mark’ hanging over their heads 🙁
    
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    June 13, 2020 3:56pm
- [email protected]
  
  So some at the top are paid more than the President of the USA.
  
  I would imagine that there would be plenty of eligable takers if the jobs were advertised at half the pay.
  
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  June 13, 2020 3:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/black-sabbath-changes-name-to-person-of-color-sabbath?utm_content=buffer875b2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&fbclid=IwAR20fwDCLTZBF_O0UUZ_XmhbCcJa3FmojUrc0gaX2RYc43XHmGVZEqfDZwc
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June 13, 2020 3:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Liz Wheeler, OAN. What the MSM was afraid ti tell you this week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCT327a2G3o
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June 13, 2020 3:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Defund the Police?//
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgF2L52-T_s&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3BoMrvEFTvkcqibjHEIPiwrSSAgOSqQF95Q3XwAT7dQF00MWkfL2ucAkc
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June 13, 2020 3:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

300,000? Yuge!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/hottest-ticket-ever-300000-people-sign-trumps-make-america-great-rally-tulsa-oklahoma/?fbclid=IwAR2xhLNvZNceoPp2M-MVoz1tzx2imtgw4iKNCXtc-97dmYTW2gaZzQnvVd0
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June 13, 2020 3:47pm
- Mike
  
  All attendees agree to waive any legal claims against the Trump campaign should they catch Covid-19.
  
  Oklahoma has had 359 deaths, and recorded its highest number of new cases, 222, yesterday. MAGA!
  
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  June 13, 2020 5:26pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So did ALL of the ANTIFA and BLM protestors did!!! And the fuckheads in NZ.
    Right Mike? or just trolling again?
    
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    June 13, 2020 5:55pm
- Inandout
  
  Steve, could you in your wildest dreams imagine Biden holding the attention of that many people?
  
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  June 13, 2020 5:27pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Numbers on paper he would believe it.
    At the elementary school down the road, he may not remember.
    Biden is a leftie. Numbers mean nothing. The difference between a billion and a trillion is …
    Fuck it, never mind
    
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    June 13, 2020 6:00pm
    - tf78
      
      Granty knows – um – “I know it’s got sumthink to do with nooorts”. (Unfortunately, not joking).
      
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      June 13, 2020 8:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Remember our last case of slavery in New Zealand.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/samoan-chief-found-guilty-of-enslaving-villagers-in-new-zealand-over-25-years
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June 13, 2020 4:01pm
- Swifty
  
  And our first, of modern times:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/117812515/nzs-first-convicted-human-trafficker-freed-after-serving-third-of-prison-sentence
  
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  June 13, 2020 4:05pm
- Philview
  
  I also recall reading a couple of years ago that New Zealand is on a slavery watch list compiled by the US Government. To feed Labour’s progressive ideals around legalised prostitution there has been a steady flow of sex slaves brought into the country.
  
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  June 13, 2020 4:12pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/113722839/human-trafficking-in-nz-government-accused-of-having-its-head-in-the-sand
    
    and here’s one of the recent cases:
    In the 18-month-period the teen was forced to be a sex slave, she was sold about 1000 times or about five times a day.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/109473630/jail-term-increased-for-kasmeer-lata-who-prostituted-her-underage-daughter
    
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    June 13, 2020 5:24pm
    - Two bob
      
      sadly this happened to my neighbour also, father pimped her out starting at age 14!!
      
      sadly this happens alot more then we think, dont know whats worse the parents doing it or the hundreds of men lining up to pay for an underage girl.
      
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      June 13, 2020 10:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Is that on the 9th floor, or just in camps? Asking for a friend
    
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    June 13, 2020 6:03pm
- Jack5
  
  Then there were the white slaves taken and held by Maori:
  
  https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/currently-history/pakeha-slaves-forgotten-history-nz
  
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  June 13, 2020 4:25pm
JibberJabber

Breaking….Statue of Winston Peters to be pulled down …before it`s even erected….
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Penis_statue.jpg&imgrefurl=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Penis_statue.jpg&h=3264&w=2448&tbnid=crrOZG1VfV-t1M&tbnh=259&tbnw=194&usg=AI4_-kSCcFMHmZjSTgq4LWgIV9X_8kRb6w&vet=1&docid=XZ5gHst9Wa6uUM
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June 13, 2020 4:14pm
Inandout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2010&v=FcvdlrAmwe0&feature=emb_logo

How not to grow a garden to immediately feed the masses in Seattle’s newest country.
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June 13, 2020 5:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/protesters-pull-down-joe-biden-after-mistaking-him-for-old-racist-statue?utm_content=buffere0764&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&fbclid=IwAR3pMKO5B3KsaxXFPvxP2576j37QKq7WHSAxb6HeL_8e7rTEI9lGA4eiyjM
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June 13, 2020 5:29pm
JibberJabber

The word is the Hells Angels are heading to Seattle to take on Antifa.
Antifas` Head of Security is waiting,
https://twitter.com/Bourne2share/status/1271628511589961733
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June 13, 2020 5:41pm
Harriet

On SKY news Kenny interviewed Pauline Hanson.

Pauline was talking about All Lives Matter and that people should be assisted by need and not race.

Ok say far.

THEN SHE WENT AND SAID THIS: 😎

“In 1970 there were a 150,000 aboriginals. Now there are 800,000[?]. If elders see you having some aboriginal history you are now aboriginal and can claim all the benefits, people have been jumping on the bandwagon. Aboriginals have increased by 455% – compared to all others around 80% . ”

Kenny then said “OH thanks for that bombshell Pauline – we have unfortunately run out of time[which they had] but we will definitely be back to you on THAT!”

Yep – all the billions in assistance since the 1970’s, all the academic research and all political policy – has been for nought.

And now we have a bill for 800,000 underachieving bludging ‘aboriginals’!!!!!

Making Rangas Great Again. 😎
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June 13, 2020 5:53pm
- chaos
  
  What a load of racist crap
  
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  June 13, 2020 7:10pm
- Two bob
  
  have been through small town WA and the abo parts of main towns and cities and its a f**king eye opener.
  be thankful the majority of our maori ppl in nz have kept their pride.
  
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  June 13, 2020 11:01pm
kevn

To be ‘a Ngai Tahu’. I gather 1/640th is enough to do it. I tried a DNA test hoping to join up… no luck.
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June 13, 2020 8:07pm
Ian Hawthorn

Rather than taking down the statue of Hamilton I would prefer we put up a few more statues of those he fought against. Hamilton died at Gate Pa. How about putting a statue of Rawiri Puhirake, the influential Maori leader who also died in that battle, standing next to him. These characters from our history were none of them saints. Yet I’d rather they were remembered warts and all rather than trying to memory hole them. But of we are going to do that then we really should have the whole collection.
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June 13, 2020 8:08pm
tf78

Did the dog get off the porch?
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June 13, 2020 8:31pm
Jack5

?The Guardian, beloved by the Woke, was built on a fortune from cotton picked by slaves, sided with the Confederates, and branded Abraham Lincoln ‘abhorrent’.

The Daily Mail has been digging into the history of the liberal-lefties” beloved newspaper.

A petition has been launched to ‘shut down’ the Guardian for hypocrisy in backing Black Lives Matter protests.

It’s just about as funny as the nickname the Guardian earned when it was renown for its typos and spelling errors – The Grauniad.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8414917/Guardian-accused-hypocrisy-backing-BLM-protests-despite-branding-Abraham-Lincoln-abhorrent.html
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June 13, 2020 8:36pm
unitedtribes

Watched the old movie “The gangs of New York” Last night. Not a lot different to the evening news
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