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Daniel

I see Labour have put up election billboards around. I thought that could only be done 28 days or something prior to the election?

They just say “You are in X electorate”, in the usual red colour with the Labour logo.
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June 22, 2020 8:03am
- cmm
  
  Well the one in Ferrymeade is a clear election advertisement on the digital billboards.
  
  Big picture of PriNZess and the new candidate replacing Ruth Dyson.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:29am
  - Tricati
    
    Ruth Dyson has history here in CHC for openly flaunting the electoral advertising laws, ably abetted by Megan Woods – Woods who is Labour’s election campaign manager also has history here in the dark arts of ‘dirty politics’ (Particularly local body elections), so don’t underestimate how devious she is.
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:19am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Cheeky sods claiming ownership of the area? Bullying commies?
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:30am
- hullkiwi
  
  Meanwhile over at the Standard, the are getting upset over a complaint to the Electoral Commission over a poster.
  
  Seems some Labour person thought it was smart to use Jacinda in the same stylised fashion as Obama and put the word “Aroha”on it. But no mention of it being an election poster. The only problem is we are less than 3 months to election day.
  
  So, Labour has been caught by their own rules, and now they are crying that the complainant is a party pooper. Message to the Labour party ,”tough” your rules, live with them and stop trying to fix the system to your advantage.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:59am
  - Batman
    
    I enjoyed the news story last night. Frizzel was somewhat indignant about it all.
    
    “Is not an ad, it just literally just says ‘love”
    
    Yeah mate, that’s the problem. It’s a weird North Korean-esque idolation piece.
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:03am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Didn’t they try that, when she first got in?
      Multi floor banners on high rises, with her face on.
      
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      June 22, 2020 9:14am
    - kowtow
      
      And no commentary on how unoriginal and how Vote Hope Obama they are.
      Very subliminal.
      
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      June 22, 2020 9:32am
    - Durden
      
      Otis is simply a commercial whore.
      
      He has picked on the Jacinda “movement” and hopes to create a graphic and give it free publicity during election so that he has a long stream of royalties from selling that picture in the future.
      
      Of course it does not harm him if he contributes to the adulation of “Dear Leader” in the process. He probably thinks it will be an “iconic” graphic image like Che’s, Fidel’s or Rosie the Riveter and so on.
      
      He is just a cheap shill pretending to be an artist.
      
      And if you see graffiti tagged with “OPTO” on your property, Otis is your man. Go and tag his taco business and see how he feels.
      
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      June 22, 2020 10:12am
      - Fletch
        
        It’s pretty much a rip-off of Sheppard Fairey’s Obama ‘Hope’ poster…
        
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        June 22, 2020 10:21am
  - Don Beckett
    
    I thought it was made in the same stylised fashion of Che Guevara – would be more appropriate. Just slap on a beret with a hammer & sickle logo.
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:09am
  - Surely Knott
    
    The Aroha posters were a cunning campaign fundraiser. If you bought a poster then the price also included the purchase of a second poster that they would put up publicly. So the question is was this election fundraising . The artists are saying no that it doesn’t contain a Labour logo. I would say clearly yes and they should have to declare it and declare the amount which is an election donation. It’s also a bit spooky. Who wants giant pictures deifying a political leader plastered all over their street.
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:14am
- MCos
  
  Next time you’re driving along Beachcroft Ave in Onehunga take a look at the National Party sign on Horns Reserve. Presuming it’s still there.
  It’s perfectly legal because it advertises an online Q & A with the local MP.
  That’s what I was told, anyway.
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:18am
  - Alacrity
    
    I’m sure that it has a National Party logo and is registered?
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:02pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Every local council has different rules. We’ll be out erecting billboards two months out from the election.
  
  However from Friday, the rules on election spending kick in, with the beginning of the three-month regulated period. Every cent spent from Friday onwards must be accounted for.
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:53am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  They know they are going win in a huge landslide. I am surprised that they have not had their victory party yet.
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:11am
- rouppe
  
  http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0087/latest/DLM1869253.html
  
  9 weeks. Section 221B. You could always make a complaint, especially if it is over 3 square metres
  
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  June 22, 2020 12:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

St Jacinda on play school TV1 breakfast:
“I always said there would be more cases, I always said there would be more cases”
Last week or the week before she told the World she had eliminaded Civid 19 in NZ.
Which statement is true Cindy? Can’t be both. More lies?
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June 22, 2020 8:03am
- Tall Man
  
  Colour me surprised.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:05am
- Hollyfield
  
  It’s not the more cases that concern me, that was inevitable with people coming into the country. What concerns me is that it is apparent we can have no faith whatsoever in the Government’s quarantine and testing systems. Why don’t they test people at the airport as they go through customs? The people are already “captive”, in a line coming off the plane, just test them one after the other before sending them anywhere. That would be the most efficient (and therefore least obvious to the Government) way to do the first test. Then the first result would be back much sooner.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:07am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The COL operate by feelings action they leave to the capable.
    
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    June 22, 2020 8:31am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Passport, Boarding Pass, Covid test Result, temperature
    Ok you can now board your flight back to NZ
    
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    June 22, 2020 8:39am
  - hullkiwi
    
    The airports have been a joke from the outset. Despite all the well crafted speeches given by Jacinda, processes at the airport have almost non-existent. It was only Bridges getting the petition going during the lockdown that forced any action. And all that was taking people to hotels for 2 weeks.
    
    What we’ve had is PR, smoke and mirrors hiding the truth as to what has really been happening.
    
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    June 22, 2020 8:50am
- cmm
  
  Eliminade does not mean the same as eliminate.
  
  Of course both can be true in Magic Cindyland. Logic is part of the patriarchy and has no place in Aotearoa/New Zeland.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:08am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Maybe she said “lemonade” 😀
    
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    June 22, 2020 8:10am
    - kowtow
      
      More like Kool Aid
      
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      June 22, 2020 9:33am
- Inandout
  
  Steve, she even boasted about ‘doing a little dance’ because she had freed us of Covid.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:09am
  - cmm
    
    So she’s going to need to walk that back… Michael Jackson style. Or would that be cultural appropriation?
    
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    June 22, 2020 8:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So if she knew there would be more cases (arriving in the country) WHY didn’t she ensure that our country had a system that could manage this possibility?
  
  Why is she overseeing a shambles? She’s had months to get the system working.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:18am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Ineptitude, incompetence, fraud on the voters.
    
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    June 22, 2020 8:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Plenty of testing kits, plenty of PPE, plenty of masks, plenty of Fluvacs. It was all lies by Ardern and Bloomfield
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:08am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Test, Test, Test.
      Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit.
      
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      June 22, 2020 9:24am
    - septic skeptic
      
      It’s all turning to Cinders and Ash.
      
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      June 22, 2020 11:41am
- Durden
  
  Yep. She clearly delivered on more cases ! But she and her government are just tits at delivering a sound management of the number and handling of new cases.
  
  I am still not sure why they can’t deliver 100% testing of new arrivals on time? I think there is a shortage of kits or test lab resource constraints they are lying about.
  
  Additional issue is the woeful capability of contact tracing to meet its own targets (4days ? 5 days?) that Ashley is glossing over and the sycophantic press are looking the otherway rather than holding him to the fire.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:22am
  - Don Beckett
    
    I presume that there is a separate quarantine area at the airport – the most obvious thing.
    Then they should have prioritised testing facilities and a LABORATORY right at the airport to facilitate immediate test answers. I would have thought that was the most obvious and sensible thing to do.
    
    But I’m just a silly old retired builder – what would I know ?
    
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    June 22, 2020 8:32am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Obvious and sensible are not in the Labour Party Manual
      
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      June 22, 2020 8:41am
      - freethinker
        
        The Labour partymanual only has one page – a detailed description of how to tell lies with a straight face. I am reliably informed that the PMs copy is well worn.
        
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        June 22, 2020 10:36am
- Justitia
  
  Cindy and Ashley are now distancing themselves from the whole thing. COVID updates bringing news of new infections are being delivered by impersonal press release. If the quarantine cock-ups can be said to have had any positive outcome, it is that they may have deprived Cindy of her main electoral asset and pulpit. Good.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:36am
  - Crisplion
    
    Yes Ardern is always very keen to take credit for things that go well, or can at least be spun as going well. Taking responsibility for fiascoes though – not so much.
    
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    June 22, 2020 10:03am
    - oldfella
      
      Being PM means never having to say ‘I’m sorry NZ, I’m the captain of this team, and I’ve failed you.’
      A phrase, or words to that effect, Cindy continues to avoid.
      
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      June 22, 2020 11:17am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  She saved 80,000 lives. That is the only truth that matters to the latte sipping, 4WD driving soccer mum in New Lynn. So move on, will ya?
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:12am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Sir Cullen bro you’re correct she saved 80,000 which means Morrison saved 400,000
    
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    June 22, 2020 11:51am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Morrison doesn’t matter to Maoris of this land.
      
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      June 22, 2020 12:16pm
Captain Mainwaring

As I’m not a ‘woke’ environmentalist, I’m struggling with the concept of how farmers are supposed to remain viable and provide employment when their pastures have to be turned into pine forests.
Can you actually eat carbon credits?
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June 22, 2020 8:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Never forget that it was Enron that brought C-Credits to the market.
  
  https://www.masterresource.org/hansen-james/cap-and-trade-the-temple-of-enron-james-hansen-makes-an-important-political-point/
  
  All hot air.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:11am
- Prince
  
  Farmers can’t, but politicians can.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:11am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    So why are farmers going along with it, if there’s nothing in it for them?
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:26am
    - tf78
      
      Farmer’s aren’t they’re selling up.
      
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      June 22, 2020 10:05am
      - Nickc2
        
        Correct. I’ve been told that because the Greens and their bullshit about water quality have made farming unviable, farmers are selling up and firms like Air New Zealand are buying up the properties and planting trees in order to offset their so-called carbon output.
        Wake up NZ, our second biggest export earner is being hi-jacked as part of a non-earning bullshit Green hoax.
        Don’t forget this on September 19th, 2020.
        
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        June 22, 2020 11:37am
    - backster
      
      But there is .Income from the trees is the same as the income from the meat and wool. With the trees the income is net with no overheads and unending. With the meat and wool about two thirds is overheads.
      
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      June 22, 2020 11:51am
      - Roy
        
        That would be the income after 20 years???
        Nothing in between except pruning and stuff like that.
        So no cash in for 20 years, verses food and cash income every year.
        
        Trees or food. No contest really.
        
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        June 22, 2020 3:38pm
- Two bob
  
  nope and cant eat money when food runs out either.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:12am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Indeed you can’t eat carbon credits, but then neither can you eat providing legal advice, mending shoes, driving a bus or many other ways in which people spend their days. What people do is, they turn these activities into money and then they use that money to obtain food, clothes, housing and other things that they need in life. That is generally how people are induced to provide goods and services that other people want.
  
  If planting pine forests does not similarly provide farmers with the means to make a living, preferably a better living than they could make by putting the land to other uses – then you may be very confident that unless they are remarkably stupid, something for which I have seen no evidence, they will not plant pine forests.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:21am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It is lucrative… that’s why vast areas of productive land are going into pines.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rural/2020/06/carbon-farming-a-waste-of-land-driving-rural-residents-away-farmers.html
    
    It would be more economical for orchardists and market gardeners to sell their land for housing estates also… but is that a sensible use for our productive soils?
    
    Pines are quite capable of growing on unproductive land…. Stock animals don’t fare so well on unproductive land.
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:08am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Now I’m confused. Are we getting cross because farmers can make a good living out of planting trees for carbon credits, or because they can’t?
      
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      June 22, 2020 11:10am
      - CJames
        
        It isn’t the farmers planting trees. It is rich overseas owners buying NZ farms and planting them for the carbon credits. Remember how the partners in the coalition weren’t going to have overseas buyers? They opted out of this promise if they were going to plant forests.
        
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        June 22, 2020 11:45am
    - tf78
      
      Why aren’t orchards classed as trees?! – what else would you call them – cacti. These idiots should all be in an asylum.
      
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      June 22, 2020 12:03pm
      - Two bob
        
        to meet thresh hold the stand of trees needs to be planted at certain densities and also minimum width and acreage , I suspect that is to prevent farmers and councils claiming credits for hedges and shelter belts.
        
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        June 22, 2020 5:53pm
- greybeard
  
  Converting farmland into pine forests must be one of the most stupid things anyone has ever done in this country.
  The land will not be productive for 25 to 30 years.
  What are they thinking?
  We need a “Captain’s Call” to stop this in its tracks.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:25am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The large foreign corporates pushing this are not interested in producing lumber. They get everything they value (carbon credits for a balance sheet) by planting and walking away. No siviculture, no thinning or pruning. Just turning productive land into non-productive, fundamentally working against NZ’s interests.
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:06am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    This has been happening for many decades. I am an investor in a forest partnership in the Masterton area. It was established 40 years ago on a steep sheep station. Of course the station is gone, it is a 1000 hectare forest, now being harvested and also replanted. Carbon credits were claimed for the replanting.
    The only farms that will be being converted will be on steep country with high erosion potential. They will not be highly productive farmland.
    Anyway who has travelled in the back country will know that way too much steep back country was turned into farmland. Putting it back into forestry, both for harvesting and as permanent forest sinks makes sense to me.
    In short this is a bit of a beat up. Good farmland is not being converted.
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:35am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Seems you haven’t been travelling through Hawkes Bay lately..
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12322262
      
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      June 22, 2020 9:44am
      - Sacha
        
        On my road in the Tararua, perfectly good rolling country has been planted in pines. Their first winter and they’ve already grown about 2 feet on the fertile land. My forest was planted on Bola-land back in ’91. It is half harvested, and replanted, and the rest when conditions return to normal – haha. So much for retirement planning.
        
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        June 22, 2020 10:15am
      - Jack5
        
        What do you folk think of the wilding pines in Central Otago?
        
        Does anyone get, or lose carbon credits, from these?
        
        Do the global warming crowd advocate letting these (Douglas fir?) pines take over the Central Otago landscape?
        
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        June 22, 2020 11:40am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Yet.
      
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      June 22, 2020 10:56am
    - Swifty
      
      Wayne, we planted radiata out Tinui way in the early 80s on exactly the country you describe (when such land was purchased by us at $500 an acre…)
      
      It is very tough country to make a living from with even sheep and beef a very marginal proposition.
      
      Be aware though that with the market distortions now present via carbon credits etc we are seeing otherwise productive country turned over to forestry and there are quite genuine concerns being raised by the affected communities.
      
      I see it as very similar to the SMPs of days gone by – it was not an accident that we had 70 million sheep in NZ in the 1980s and with SMP removal those numbers have fallen to 27 million or so. I’m sure you’ll know well, if you incentivise something sufficiently people will flock to it where it wouldn’t ordinarily make sense to do so.
      
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      June 22, 2020 12:00pm
    - Swifty
      
      Wayne, just off the phone with an ex-Secretary of the NZFOA.
      
      He shares your view on the scheme’s intent and made some informed comments on the apparent disconnect between O’Connor’s (“we’ll intervene if we think too much land is being converted”) and Jones’ recent comments (“the billion trees strategy still a good idea”).
      
      He remarked that we’ve an election just around the corner! 🙂
      
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      June 22, 2020 12:26pm
    - Two bob
      
      thats a load of crap good farmland around the country is going into forests.
      some outfits down here now refuse to plant the really steep blocks as the way h&s is progressing theyll unlikely be able to harvest it upon maturity as manual felling/hauling will likely be banned by then.
      
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      June 22, 2020 5:56pm
    - kiwibird
      
      Yes it is, in many parts of NZ and worse still in pines , pines, pines. Monoculture forestry putting NZ at economic risk – just as we have finally “learnt” about the fickle business that tourism is we will be confonted with the outcome of putting all our eggs in one basket eventually. AND many of the pines planted will not be harvested. Better we were replanting native timber trees, matai, kauri, rimu,totara and so on and sustainably harvest.
      
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      June 22, 2020 10:23pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Your Captain’s Call won’t happen so long as Cindy and the Greens are an item. Also, don’t forget Shane Jones wants as many pine trees as possible planted in order to justify his current political portfolio and any job offer the forestry business may offer him post politics.
    
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    June 22, 2020 11:47am
  - tf78
    
    We need a “Captain” to do that.
    
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    June 22, 2020 12:03pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The worst part of it is that planting forests with the intention of cutting them down and replanting, does not reduce greenhouse gases. The wood has to go somewhere. If treated it can last a long time but will eventually decompose, releasing its CO2 back into the air. In the long term (which is apparently what we are supposed to be worried about), the only thing that reduces greenhouse gases is to leave fossil fuels in the ground. Everything else just creates a cycle. We’re harming our economy and reducing our food supply for no environmental benefit.
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:49am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Wait until you see Finance Minister James Frog Shaw imposes carbon taxes that will make you beg for mercy.
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:13am
  - chukar
    
    Re Forestry ,another F word — Famine
    The risk is there.NZ is now a nett importer of some foods.
    
    Trees have their place but it is not on good productive farmlands.
    Much of the new plantings are simply because farmers are being regulated off their land..
    Examples
    Water consents to use something that has always been part of the land, and without which there is no life
    landscape provisions so others don’t see the colour of your crops and sheds ,or the road to a hilltop
    The bullying and consenting costs of the RMA aided by regional councils enforcement teams has made Pastoral farming unsustainable for many.
    So pretty much their only option left is forestry, and that is best done by corporates who can handle the bullies.
    Don’t blame the farmers
    
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    June 22, 2020 6:03pm
Inandout

Yesterday: How dare Trump expose all those rally people to the virus.
Today: Ha ha, all those empty seats.
ZB must pay peanuts for the CNN feed because we know airports are dumping them.
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June 22, 2020 8:07am
- Simon
  
  Scott Adams good on the CCP interference in the US election.
  
  https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1274704066099249153
  
  From about 35 minutes in.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Antifa and BLM ordering tickets and never intending to show. Just disruption, Trump got played. On my FB one loopy Democrat saying she ordered 300.
  Democrats never won anything without cheating
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:44am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Their attitude
    Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat.
    
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    June 22, 2020 8:59am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    Just watching a YouTube video by Tim Pool regarding this. There was an official press release by the Republican Party which was interesting. They routinely cull fake applications for tickets and have put the blame on the declaration of emergency by the mayor due to threats of violence by protestors. (Who by their actions, could be argued are terrorists??). The entrances were reduced to one from three due to protest actions meaning some who would have turned up to attend were not able to enter. Add in Covid 19 fears and many that had signed up were not going to attend anyway. Apparently in the USA, both parties encourage as many to sign up to attend even if they’re not going to physically go.
    Tim notes that he counted around 2 million people watching the rally online via the various web channels, so it’s hard to exactly know what’s going on.
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:24am
  - Two bob
    
    put a $$$ on it. trump supporters would hapily pay and the dems would activley fund his campaign.
    
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    June 22, 2020 10:35am
- CJames
  
  As a lot of those people who ordered tickets to disrupt the rally were K Pop or Tiktok users, we can presume that a lot weren’t US citizens. Does that mean the foreign interference in the US elections have already started? Or doesn’t it count when the Democrats do it?
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:40am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Styx always worth watching re US politics. His take: slow temperature checks on a hot day, ppl scared of the virus, ppl scared of leftard violence. Thinks Biden could still not get nearly as big an audience without bussing ppl in.
  
  Styx isn’t worried about trump
  
  What I like about Styx is that he is pro small business, small government and especially pro freedom. Doesn’t care which party provides these things but sees that the left has gone crazy and no longer supports any of these things.
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:28am
  - Batman
    
    Do you found a hot take you like and are treating it as gospel.
    
    The fact is that yeah, even Trump’s superfans are scared of the virus.
    
    The lines to get in clearly weren’t long, people just didn’t show up.
    
    The rally was a bad idea. Parscale is lucky to still have a job, though I see this morning that his companies have taken in $40m US from the Trump campaign and associated business, so he will be alright.
    
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    June 22, 2020 11:32am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Nah re ‘hot take’. Just observed that Styx tends to make pretty good predictions. That was a very rare quality when Hillary was expected to win hands down.
      
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      June 22, 2020 1:07pm
      - Batman
        
        Good on him, got got 2016 right.
        
        On the original claims:
        
        “Three Associated Press journalists reporting in Tulsa for several hours leading up to the president’s speaking did not see protesters block entry to the area where the rally was held.”
        https://apnews.com/e7311038d1c2f32bf9fdd7c727a9cc53?utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow
        
        So they’re still pushing the untrue lie that people were prevented from going. The truth is that MAGA folk stayed home.
        
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        June 22, 2020 1:15pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Sigh. Styx pointed out that some didn’t come because of *concern about* violent protestors. Not that Trump supporters in large numbers turned up but were held back by the protestors. After what has been going on in US cities ignited by Antifa and BLM, Trump supporters’ concern is understandable.
        
        But you go for it: you enjoy Biden. Styx finds Trump did more for small businesses and employment numbers.
        
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        June 22, 2020 3:28pm
BeeJay

Just saw Ardern on AM Show! She is pathetic! Her and her useless mob have cocked up over the returning kiwis in isolation and will she apologise to kiwis who sat through lockdown, did all that was asked, for the failure to monitor people? No way! Is she and her lot taking any responsibility for the current farce? No! When questioned she just grits her teeth and can’t bring herself to say “sorry, team, we have fucked up”!
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June 22, 2020 8:10am
- cmm
  
  The “Team” bullshit is to keep you on her side and also allows her to make all those “captain’s calls” on our behalf.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:33am
- Two bob
  
  My 7yr old daughter said “dad that lady looks like shes telling lies” I was floored and in hysterics.
  
  a 7yr old can even see right through her shit what does that say for her supporters…
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    PTPM has the same IQ as your daughter? Actually that could be insulting your daughter – sorry
    
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    June 22, 2020 8:47am
  - barnacle bill
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Sounds like your daughter has been watching you for awhile Tb.
    
    [Mod – Play the ball Barnacle Bill, not the man]
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:22am
    - Two bob
      
      Mod its allgood im a big boy and can take flak.
      
      BB we keep our kids rather shielded from the fake media I dont even think she knows who ja is unless schools drummed it into them, btw when i asked why she thought that her reasoning was “I dont know but she does the same thing with her head like mum does when she tells lies about buying wine”
      
      its very obvious to most but was gold when even a kid can tell, wife wasnt happy she got outed either!!
      
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      June 22, 2020 10:43am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Classic!
        
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        June 22, 2020 12:35pm
  - Jax30
    
    Oh that’s a priceless comment Two Bob. You have a very astute daughter
    
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    June 22, 2020 10:14am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Two bob bro – I will have your 7 year old angel as my PM any day than the one we have now.
    
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    June 22, 2020 11:17am
  - Alex13
    
    Your daughter will learn, sooner or later, that her observation applies to any politician, left or right.
    
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    June 22, 2020 4:27pm
- freethinker
  
  BeeJay
  
  Mike Hoskins eviscerated ardern this morning and she shut down the questioning saying your have your opinion and I have mine – quite clever but a clear indication she lost the argument. As another commenter said last week this is an election game changer.
  
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  June 22, 2020 10:45am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    “As another commenter said last week this is an election game changer.” – yeah right. Here is the risk mitigation plan leaked to me from Cindy’s sources:
    
    1. Puff pieces galore – Audrey Not So Young, HDPA, Barry Soap Opera, Red Claire, Resident Commie Corryn Dann. – Tick
    2. Neve – Awwwe so cure stories – Piano Cake story out and more to come – Tick
    3. Princess wedding?? – Final trump card when National takes over Labour in the opinion poll
    4. More vote buying with the 20B war chest? – Yes, another trump card to play at the last minute – All student loans – past and present cancelled
    
    Mullet Muller has no chance. Why Mullet Muller, not even God has a chance against Cindy.
    
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    June 22, 2020 11:21am
    - Flossie
      
      I do not want any further articles about the PM’s child or partner.
      
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      June 22, 2020 11:52am
- Flossie
  
  I do wish she would learn the difference between “bought” and “brought”. She’s forever saying they have bought in extra staff or whatever. As a person with a degree in communications I would expect her to have a better grasp of her native tongue!
  
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  June 22, 2020 10:52am
  - Allan
    
    Her constant ability to debase the language is an embarrassment for us all. Jeopradize and somethink are 2 irritating ones that come to mind immediately. To me it shows a lack of class and very average IQ.
    
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    June 22, 2020 11:32am
    - herb1
      
      fustrated is another. Its even hard to type as US auto correct knows how to spell it
      
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      June 22, 2020 11:49am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      As long as you’ve kept a diary so you know where you’ve `bin’
      
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      June 22, 2020 12:11pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    They did buy in extra staff. So in her own stupid way she may have been telling the truth and using the correct word.
    
    Her only problem is the staff she “bought” may be no good!
    
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    June 22, 2020 11:42am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Labour always bought votes. Interest free student loans, KFC vouchers to South Auckland voters etc. That is why she says bought instead of brought!!!
    
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    June 22, 2020 12:20pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Go and tell that to the 60% Sheeple who think Cindy is a better economic manager. There is no future for this country. I have given up already.
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:23am
oldpark

Was watching the sad farewell to the Murdered Policeman yesterday by his many colleagues. There seemed to be a huge crowd in attendance.
Kept looking out for our “Be Kind” part time PM Miss Ardern .
Yes sadly a no show. Message coming back loud and clear . All lives matter in the nature of things . Maybe a perception by many with the no show of Miss Ardern PM that with her recent attendance at another tragedy not so long ago,that some lives matter a great deal more than a Murdered Policeman . Go Figure.
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June 22, 2020 8:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Superintendent Naila Hassan presented a moving address –
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12341657
  
  There is nothing that needs to be added.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:32am
- The Boss
  
  The PTPM cannot be everywhere. She was busy baking a cake and showing it to her fans.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:36am
  - Sacha
    
    She didn’t get the keyboard right –
    
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    June 22, 2020 10:17am
  - freethinker
    
    The Boss – would that be a fairy cake?
    
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    June 22, 2020 10:47am
- Justitia
  
  Cindy was too busy at home baking a cake and deploying Neve. Not a word of sympathy from her, for all the reasons you might imagine. He was white and non Muslim.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:40am
  - calendar girl
    
    Ms Ardern’s silence since that policeman was gunned-down in our streets is, for me, a new low point in her term as Prime Minister.
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:26am
    - Justitia
      
      “WLDM” = “White Lives Don’t Matter”, the new Labour-Greens tee-shirt?
      
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      June 22, 2020 9:51am
      - kowtow
        
        Blue Lives Matter.
        
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        June 22, 2020 12:43pm
- Flossie
  
  She stated on AM show on Three this morning something along the lines of it’s not her way to intrude on peoples’ grief…. Bit different for the mosque shootings families – big hugs there.
  
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  June 22, 2020 10:54am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  There is no chance to wear hijab on this occassion bro. You get the drift. Why didn’t Mullet Muller attend?
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:24am
Durden

Pillars of journalism have crumbled in NZ too. When Stuff and RNZ decide that only the prevailing view will be presented and not the alternative view. When Jahan Casinader can’t see anything wrong with pursuing a narrative.

And it is much worse in NZ than the US because the media is almost completely progressive left wing–whuch is beholden by$50m to the government for their existence. Watch the current spurt of negative information die out when the promise of second tranche of media bailout comes up.

Unlike the US there is no sign of a single centre right wing media organisation in Print/TV/Radio.

May be David could print what Dominion editor Frank Hagen might think of the current sorry lot.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/121889451/pillars-of-journalism-undermined-in-us-debate
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June 22, 2020 8:12am
Two bob

about time we started taking a look at harmful chemicals that get applied so liberal and with little caution for surrounds.
kiwifruit is also 1 of and if not the top user of antibiotics in NZ.

the dangerous chemicals we use go on many of our foods and some drift many kilometers invisibly, im not talking about glyphosate (round up) I mean real nasty shit and in particular fungicide and insectiside, most systemic chemicals are highly dangerous.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/kiwifruit-spray-under-regulatory-spotlight/ar-BB15NuzB

its time we stop putting profit before our health and the environment, if nature wont allow you to opperate year on year without intervention then thats a clear sign youre contributing to whats f**king our country… canterbury plains mass irrigation is a good example also.
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June 22, 2020 8:12am
I remember when

Young apprentice jockey rode two winners on Saturday.
When interviewed on Trackside he was asked if he was still at school. “No, I dropped out a couple of years ago in Year 10,” he said.
Commentator said that “He was a very good rider who should have a promising future.”
One can only hope he becomes a very successful jockey.
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June 22, 2020 8:13am
Simon

Wuhan virus hard to contain in big countries / continents and sooner or later these countries will have herd immunity. All the while the death rate continues falling and become better able to look after the most vulnerable

Unless there is a vaccine or the Wuhan Virus burns itself out NZ aka Woketopia run by Karens will be a forever closed paranoid hermit nation with steadily falling living standards.
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June 22, 2020 8:16am
- cmm
  
  The promise of a vaccine is absolutely key to the lockdown theory. Without the vaccine there is no end game for doing lockdowns.
  
  Is a vaccine really viable? I don’t know, but corona viruses have proven very challenging in the past. The common cold is a corona virus (well multiple strains of corona virus) and there’s no vaccine yet.
  
  Given that history, we cannot have viable policies that are predicated on there being a vaccine. We must assume there will never be a vaccine. If we do one day get a vaccine then that is gravy.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:40am
- freethinker
  
  Simon – Of course the CCP has almost eliminated Covid 19 which is why one of the 49 crematoria in Wuhan had 10,000 Urns delivered and locals comment the crems are working 24/7,not to mention the 40 containerised mobile incinerators delivered to Wuhan by the CCP. The lock down in some Beijing suburbs has nothing to do with Covid of course, its bake lucky number cakes month.
  
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  June 22, 2020 10:54am
  - cmm
    
    While I don’t believe too much they say, I’m not that sure 10,000 urns is a huge deal.
    
    Wuhan has a population of 11 million and the whole of Hubei province has a population of 59 million.
    
    For a population of 11 million there are about 375 deaths a day. An order for 10,000 urns is therefore enough for less than a month of normal deaths.
    
    So woopie doo, at a time when the supply chain has been disrupted, they put in an order to cover 4 weeks. Sounds like just getting in a bit more stock to me.
    
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    June 22, 2020 1:01pm
G152

You can only flog off so many trees and only after 25-28 years will a pine be large enough to make a return.
Add in the expenses of pruning and culling nonproductive trees

Not a viable farming practice only good for any steep country the farm may afford

In the same time you’ve had 25-28 crops of lambs and wethers and almost the same number of beefs.
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June 22, 2020 8:17am
- brett68
  
  Pines are planted and left.
  The money is in the carbon credits.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:36am
  - Two bob
    
    and a storm fire or harvesting them results in repayment of any credits. at a certain point you stop recieving them or becomes unviable.
    
    its just a big money go round and in the end they will get fucked over. hey we give you a $30 credit today can you predict the market in 15-20 years? Suck to repay 80-100. theyre essentialy shares in a global corruption scam to milk the last cent from producers.
    
    if I was a forester id avoid cc like the plague but unfortunately global markets and subsidies elsewhere have made forestry unviable here without them.
    
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    June 22, 2020 8:48am
    - brett68
      
      The government has passed a law saying carbon credits will be priced at $25 dollars minimum, so whoever plants up land in pine trees is guaranteed an income.
      
      Once they’re planted up in pines, it will be near impossible to revert the land back into a farm.
      
      Surprisingly “Friends of farming” National signed up to this, even though it is going to cause the destruction of farming communities.
      
      Because it’s not just crappy hill country getting planted out, it’s also quality farming land.
      
      Climate change madness strikes again.
      
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      June 22, 2020 9:18am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Brett – there’s significant concern within National as to the One Billion Trees policy. I am fronting a remit at a party divisional conference this weekend calling on an incoming National government to conduct an immediate review and cost-benefit analysis of OBT, for precisely the reasons you talk about. Planting marginal hill country land in pine is OK, but not prime pastoral farmland.
        
        Interestingly, National’s Wairarapa candidate Mike Butterick is a staunch opponent of OBT, and was one of the early spokesmen for 50shadesofgreen, a group of mainly rural people set up to oppose OBT. There have been multiple farm sales in Wairarapa. Questions also need to be asked as to why Labour, when it changed the Overseas Investment Act, it left an exemption in place to enable overseas purchasers to be land as long as it is planted in trees.
        
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        June 22, 2020 10:10am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The beauty of the C-Credit scam is that Joe Bloggs taxpayer has no idea that he is handing over buckets of loot to some international scam artist.
      
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      June 22, 2020 9:20am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    It’s OK to harvest them if you don’t burn the wood. If you leave them to decay the carbon goes back into the environment.
    
    The best idea would be to turn the wood into building materials that will stick around for many, many years.
    
    It would be even better if New Zealand could turn the pine logs into something with a bit more value than plain logs and sell the ensuing products overseas.
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:37am
    - sooty
      
      But if they don’t prune them, they are worthless as saw logs. So they never get choppped down. Only a few easy to get to trees for firewood.
      
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      June 22, 2020 9:52am
    - Two bob
      
      our logs that go to india are most likly just to get burnt on funeral pyres.
      
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      June 22, 2020 10:48am
  - freethinker
    
    Brett68 – without thinning and pruning the Pine logs are devalued due to knots – the real money in logs is in clears.
    
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    June 22, 2020 10:56am
- Nickc2
  
  The use of Pine as a framing timber is nearing it’s end. Future homes, office blocks and factories, etc will be constructed of concrete and steel or high-density plastic extrusion frames with UV resistant carbon fiber cladding and or combinations of the aforementioned products.
  
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  June 22, 2020 12:45pm
Maggie Pie

# BLACK TAGGERS MATTER

Accusations of Police brutality in Auckland.
“….why are you hurting him! He was just tagging a wall!!”
https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1274774132324876288

As my partner said, “Cry me a river”
(CAUTION: Some may find content disturbing)
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June 22, 2020 8:17am
- mark15
  
  Terrible timing.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:25am
- greybeard
  
  The onlookers were certainly doing their best to make the police seem to be villains.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:27am
- cmm
  
  There seems to be a whole lot of upset that many cops subdued him.
  
  They seem to not understand that the greater the force differential, the less people get hurt. More cops means each one can subdue an arm or leg or whatever resulting in less flailing about and less injury to all involved – including the tagger.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:42am
- Gravelroad
  
  Apparently this special guy reacted so violently to being questioned by the Police that he required 4 officers to arrest him.
  What should the police have done?
  I suppose the CoL appeasers looking for votes and the emotionally driven protesters would say “nothing”.
  I guess this man saw a real good opportunity to play the aggrieved victim and get his “head on the TeeeV “ as the late Billy T. James used to say.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:42am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The arrested guy is probably a “sickness beneficiary” (the toughest, strongest beneficiary there is).
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:38am
    - sooty
      
      Maybe should have just tazered him to make him compliant, then snapped the cuffs on!
      
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      June 22, 2020 9:54am
    - Jack5
      
      It looks like a set-up. Arrested man struggles and refuses to co-operate and go quietly, while “sympathisers” are on hand ready to take video. This while the Antifa international anarchists mob try to spread BLM demonstrations to NZ.
      
      How stupid of Stuff, seeking cash from the public, to highlight this incident when Auckland is grieving over a young white, unarmed policeman is shot dead and another wounded, by a non-white gunman.
      
      Let’s hope the Stuff reporter, Torika Tokalau, becomes more sceptical after this and develops a nose for a set-up. Torika is the first ethnic Fijian to win one of NZ’s Voyager Media Awards – for Community Journalist of the Year in 2018.
      
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      June 22, 2020 11:35am
- Durden
  
  Whiny mouthy entitled runt who thinks private property is his playground and canvas.
  
  Racist too because he wants kid glove treatment from cops.
  
  Unfortunately our cops don’t wear body cameras to rebut the ass’s narrative. And in current environment it is likely that the type of people who are out at that time are unlikely to be law and order sympathisers.
  
  His Facebook suggests zero achievement other than posing hard out as “miggers” , tagging and being part of a “collective”-is that a gang?
  
  Taggers are scum. They are not “artists”. Disfiguring everything everywhere. Worldwide. Most of it with ugliness.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:44am
- Rich Prick
  
  26 years old and still scribbling on property, grow up. As for the BLM tear-jerker media line, no thanks, I’m over it.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:48am
  - igm
    
    This crap is the reason why Stuff has lost advertisers and subscribers.
    The demographic they appeal to have little disposable incomes (most are unemployable leeches), and do not actually support anything other than woke mentality and cheap retailers.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121900285/bystanders-beg-police-to-get-off-auckland-man-as-he-lies-bleeding-on-ground
    
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    June 22, 2020 8:56am
  - graham
    
    RP, my thoughts exactly. And according to the Herald, he had a friend with him who is 29 years old!
    
    And this scumbag is quoted as saying, “We were just walking up the road from the motel, doing some graffiti, and then that happened. They just happened to drive past at the right time.”
    
    No apparent embarrassment or reticence about the fact that they were “doing some graffiti”. At the age of 29!
    
    As my wife says, some people never grow up.
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:09am
    - sooty
      
      Walking up the road from the motel!
      So we’re housing the bastard as well!
      
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      June 22, 2020 9:56am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The only thing I find disturbing is that more of them weren’t locked up. “I was only going to a friend’s birthday party, and I just happened to have a can of spray-paint in my pocket – as you do. Then I was vandalising property that didn’t belong to me and I got sprung and tried to leg it, then resisted arrest. I’m only little! You’re all racist! Even though it was after midnight, not well-lit and I’m only 1/32nd maaaori, you still profiled me bro!”
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:08am
- kowtow
  
  The Media Party can have their cake and eat it.
  
  A couple of days ago it was ( rightly) sombre , look at the heroic work they do for us on the front line , today the Media Party revert to form.
  
  Disgusting and shameful.
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:58am
- Fletch
  
  The current BLM movement has emboldened thugs to think they can go out and tag stuff with impunity. Well, not here, mate….
  
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  June 22, 2020 10:33am
- Clyde
  
  This waste of space was extensively “interviewed” by Uncle Tom Coran on Moaning Report this morning. Now of course he is a East Polynesian victim of police brutality that just happened to have a bunch of his equally wastes of space mates standing by in the middle of the night with video cameras going. Was this whole thing a setup? Of course it was.
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:37am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Maori culture is tagging – ‘tagging art’.
  He was profiled – how pathetic can you get?
  Another victim of a racist system.
  Caught defacing property.
  
  If it was up to me – he’d go to prison for 12 months.
  Listen to those dumb ferals as they film the arrest.
  Criminal mentality no-hopers. Burden on society.
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:43am
Komata

SteveO@0803

It’s whatever she decides is ‘true’ AT THAT SPECIFIC MOMENT, because to her it actually is. That said ‘truth’ is different from what it was five minutes previously is totally irrelevant and of no consequence at all.

No doubt there is some ‘Learned Paper’ to explain the phenomenon.
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June 22, 2020 8:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The ‘jacindaspeak’ is hard to decipher sometimes
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:50am
Two bob

I see zimbabwe is setting out to strip the rich of their wealth if they have no explanation of how it was aquired.

while im sure its with good intention to stomp out corruption I can see the process itself end up corrupt and repeat history and just turn into persecution like the white farmer scenario. time will tell I guess.
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June 22, 2020 8:18am
- Komata
  
  Two bo@0818
  
  Those at the very top will, of course, be ‘Beyond reproach’….
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:53am
  - Two bob
    
    yup, i wonder if theyll stop the blood diamond mines?… (Insert tui billboard)
    
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    June 22, 2020 12:04pm
- kowtow
  
  Well that’s one instance where it will be a black and white matter ……
  
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  June 22, 2020 12:45pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

There is no test for Covid 19. There is zero science to support this, seeing as the virus has never been purified. For the first two months there wasn’t any type of test, just symptoms, after that there has never been an effective test. To say one tests positive for Covid 19, is a lie. No one has proven it to be a virus, either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR2Ju_E1kuQ&t=4s
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June 22, 2020 8:29am
- Jimmy White
  
  So the millions of tests but thousands of doctors?
  But I bet you think that foil cap you are wearing works
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:50am
- crikey
  
  Which planet are you visiting from?
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:50am
- SB2
  
  … deleted. [Time to quit the childish trolling SB – if you still can’t contribute useful posts, then please go somewhere else. Next time will be a permanent ban. Mod.]
  
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  June 22, 2020 10:51am
Yvette

Ardern acknowledged that there had been an unacceptable “failure of the system”. Clark was “working hard” to fix it. She noted that with Clark as Minister of Health, it had been 47 days since the last recorded case of unknown transmission of the virus.
This was obfuscation typical of Ardern. The transmission of the virus was not the crux of the issue. It was the pathogen’s penetration of New Zealand’s border which was the matter at stake.

While Ardern endeavours to obscure a truth – the utter failures of Clark – can anyone confirm the severity of the scenario that would be an upsurge of covid-19 making inroads on supposed statistically negative Maori health – with comorbidities that match Italy’s (half over the age of 60 had three other coexistent medical problems), lower life expectancy, and dense living conditions that match other global hotspots – that might kill hundreds, if not thousands, of Maori kaumātua, both male and female elders, who should supposedly be under protection of the Treaty of Waitangi, section 3. Apart from the human tragedy, would there be compensation claims if sudden preventable deaths become linked to a traceable negligent border breach?

Have the Treaty implications been considered beyond those of unemployment and other cover-19 complications so far addressed by the Budget and other measures?

While Māori Party co-leader John Tamihere calls Pākehā ‘asymptomatic racists’, terminology which is so very fucking covid-19 trendy – but at the same time ignorant: because if “‘asymptomatic ” (showing no signs), how does he detect our supposed racism? – he misses the point that, as yet, Maori have almost totally escaped this pandemic, contrary to very negative health predictions, and only a vast resurgence should qualify them for a quarter of all state funding.

(And why does the Maori Party, releasing its flagship ‘Whanau First’ policy to do away with Māori inequality, demand a quarter (25%) of all government spending go on Māori projects, when their population share is 16.5%)

John Tamihere has so far “jumped the shark”?
And who can explain why cover-19 has not so far hit Maori and Pacifica as predicted?
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June 22, 2020 8:32am
- freethinker
  
  Yvette – Answer to your last sentence – because lying on the couch watching TV, drinking plonk and smoking pot keeps you in self isolation. Reminds of the joke – Mawree and Pakeha in the pub, Pakeha says you look pretty glum today bro whats up – Bro replies , don’t see much of my whanau now Im working.
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:08am
Maggie Pie

Tee-Shirt spotted this morning in Remmers NW…

END RACISM.
BRING BACK
FAT SHAMMING
IN TIME FOR SUMMER.

😀 😀 😀
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June 22, 2020 8:35am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, if he tried that in South Auckland where many customers fulfill both categories. I used to like shopping at Remmers because you could hear the old bones on the well heeled shoppers clicking. Then the copious jewellery flashed under the store lighting.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:44am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Lets face it, every socialist is a capitalist but just can’t bring themselves to say it because they don’t want to be amongst the unloved.
And where’s the proof? Well have you ever seen a socialist turn down less than market value for their house? Have you ever seen a socialist turn down less than market price form their car?
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June 22, 2020 8:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Covid testing. Have a shocking cough and headcold so went to the drive through at Henderson yesterday lunchtime (nothing on the Shore) Got a text befor 8 this morning – Negative. So yes, they are on the ball.

At the start of this there was no testing at the airport, just leaflets. Test kits were in short supply although Bloomfield said they weren’t (lie) So the testing started at the airport, but as soon as the reporters and cameras left it was back to handing out leaflets. The rubbish bins were full of them. My neighbour works for Air NZ.
We are being played by the two senior clowns
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June 22, 2020 8:58am
- Durden
  
  I think community testing organised by primary health care centres in the city suburbs is fine. For now as long as they get access to kits and a speedy response from the labs. Anything centrally organised by the government seems to suffer from lack of basic delivery. No idea how rural testing is going.
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:27am
surfing

Another record breaking temp in the arctic….over 100 degrees f, in Siberia.

Cancel that trip to Miami, Siberia is where the heats at. All good though if covid blocks your plans, it’ll be even hotter next year.
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June 22, 2020 9:00am
- Durden
  
  I have noticed you keep putting some of these links without actually even bothering to dig deeper. Just another GW alarmist spreading propaganda.
  
  Verkhoyansk seems to be an unusual location–“is notable chiefly for its exceptionally low winter temperatures and some of the greatest temperature differences on Earth between summer and winter. ”
  
  The link below shows that in July last year it reached 99.1 F . You know a single day’s weather is not “climate”. And I am trying to find past historical records which show average monthly temperatures and any specific peaks on specific day(s). Can’t seem to find it. Given that you are so sure it is a problem–“it’ll be even hotter next year” do you have these statistics ?
  
  Otherwise you are just a climate troll. And should be ignored or down ticked.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verkhoyansk
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:43am
  - surfing
    
    This is not just one measurement. They’ve been collecting data since 1885.
    
    Western Siberia also had the warmest May on record.
    
    How many records need to be broken year-on-year before even the most churlish accept something is up?
    
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    June 22, 2020 11:18am
    - Durden
      
      Put the link up wherever you got information from. Why is it so hard to understand?
      
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      June 22, 2020 12:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I suspect surfing is just repeating stuff from an article in The Guardian
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/17/climate-crisis-alarm-at-record-breaking-heatwave-in-siberia
        
        So.. Nizhnyaya Pesha hit 30C on 9 June… (how long for?,…. a few minutes/hours?)
        Check out the temp at its airport this week and it’s all very normal for mid summer.
        https://www.gismeteo.com/weather-nizhnyaya-pesha-12964/10-days/
        
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        June 22, 2020 2:51pm
Gravelroad

Grandson’s primary school has just advised that they are going back to having locked gate pick-ups and sign-ins – which is what we had in Level 2.
Are we going backwards?
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June 22, 2020 9:02am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Are we going backwards?
  we have been going backwards since 2017
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:26am
- Jules99
  
  What’s their reasoning?
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:57am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  NZ primary schools – always in the news for making it up as they go along- not surprising.
  
  Have they got them all in masks and gloves, two metres apart in the classrooms?
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dems cheating – again.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-gloats-that-trumps-tulsa-turnout-was-sabotaged-by-teens-on-tiktok?fbclid=IwAR1xz6Y8qlDzHdcVrai8gjR7gMyJOrRTLJ7At4iRTE2TFJJ9wSVGVcwnrNo
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June 22, 2020 9:04am
- MCos
  
  It was the Koreans
  It was the demonstrators
  It was this, it was that
  
  I think Trump realizes people are weary of his crap and right now any old alternative in a suit could beat him.
  https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1274585675845828611?s=21
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:45am
  - Inandout
    
    MCos, dream on. Of course Trump should have known the Dems would pull this trick by snapping up seat bookings; that is what they do. In any case Antifa are pretty much confined to lawless Dem controlled cities, as smaller towns are armed and ready for them. And Seattle’s ‘Chop’ enclosure is falling apart with murders and attacks, such a wonderful experiment in Marxist self government.
    
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    June 22, 2020 10:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I honestly think Trump made a mistake by not even thinking this would happen. e got the wool pulled over his eyes.
      One thing, he will double down. He fights back. Karma is a bitch
      
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      June 22, 2020 10:51am
    - MCos
      
      There was an outside area to accommodate those who couldn’t get into the main auditorium.
      Four year back when Trump was the a novelty he had no trouble packing in the crowds even though the opposition was resorting to the same tricks.
      He’s a one trick pony & now even the likes of Bolton, as conservative an operator as there is, is turning on him.
      Guy doesn’t even know Finland is a country, for God’s sake.
      
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      June 22, 2020 11:18am
      - Mike
        
        It’s where they rake the forests, isn’t it?
        
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        June 22, 2020 11:29am
      - virtualmark
        
        I thought Finland is where they nuke the hurricanes?
        
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        June 22, 2020 12:15pm
      - Batman
        
        Nah Finland is where you invade because it would be “cool” 😎
        
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        June 22, 2020 2:42pm
    - Batman
      
      Honestly, Trump Boomers are my favourite. You people really have no idea how the internet works.
      
      The tiktok and K-pop teens are in no way associated or organised by the DNC or Democrats in general.
      
      They have correctly identified that Trump loves his crowd sizes and uses them as a gauge of his greatness. So they’ve done the obvious thing with free ticketing and pulled the prank of all pranks.
      
      Now they’re enjoying MAGA Boomer tears as you lot try to rationalise things you simply don’t understand.
      
      Frankly, I’m slightly disappointed that my generation has been shown up by the Z’ers.
      
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      June 22, 2020 2:45pm
- SB2
  
  It is merely an allegation without proof,
  From your link,
  
  “In a Twitter post, Ocasio-Cortez” claimed” the Trump campaign had been scammed by teenage anti-Trump activists who allegedly reserved scores of tickets for the Tulsa event online – then failed to show up, thus preventing others from being able to attend..’.
  
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  June 22, 2020 10:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Your google thingy must be broken
    
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    June 22, 2020 1:04pm
hullkiwi

Garner and Richaddson were winding themselves up for Jacinda this morning. Early on, it was only Ruby lips who was left defending her “syncopantic” colleagues in the media, who both Garner and Richardson accused of lapping up everything they were told by Jacinda.

Garner now has it in for David Clark, and the longer Jacinda keeps him in his job, the more Jacinda is becoming Garner’s lightening rod for attacking her the government. This keeps up Clark will get pushed, but it is now almost too late.
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June 22, 2020 9:10am
- Flossie
  
  And yet when Garner interviewed Todd Muller who said he’d have sacked Clark, Garner pounced and said so any minister in your government would be sacked if there’s a problem? Garner’s dislike of Muller seems greater than his anti Clark stance
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:29am
I remember when

“Part of the trip was to seek a second opinion about treatment for bullet wounds.”
Was it to see if a lockdown would lead to the elimination of bullet wounds?
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June 22, 2020 9:12am
MrTips

I think Labour got their election promises mixed up. They meant to say:

– contact tracing in two years
– plant 1 billion COVID viruses
– build 10,000 homeless
– light rail to ship COVID from our border
– always tell a lie in politics

It all makes sense now!
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June 22, 2020 9:14am
I remember when

Possible reasons Butcher shops were not able to open at Level 4?
Vegetarians, Vegans, RNZSPCA, Safe, Greens, Greenpeace, extinction rebellion, The Climate Group, IPCC, 26,000 Facebook and Twitter followers.
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June 22, 2020 9:18am
- MCos
  
  So, why were green grocers closed?
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:36am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Excellent question.
    Why were all these businesses closed, herding us into supermarkets. When we could have been spread across many businesses.
    Social distancing….
    
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    June 22, 2020 10:21am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Social distancing and socialist control. First trial run of communism. If these bastards win in Sept, NZ will be Venezuela in 5 to 8 years
      
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      June 22, 2020 10:54am
      - MCos
        
        I used to work with a bloke like you.
        Every day he’d come to work with some wild eye conspiracy theory his wife had read on the internet the previous day because she had too much time on her hands.
        ‘Did you know the Queen has been arrested?’
        ‘Did you know there are six Popes?’
        ‘Did you know Obama was Hillary’s son?’
        After awhile people started laughing when they saw him coming through the door. Had to be a bit careful, he was the big boss!
        
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        June 22, 2020 11:30am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I gave you an uptick for that MCos because I wonder who is really the conspiritor.
        
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        June 22, 2020 12:41pm
RW Capitalist

Posted this yesterday, but I think it’s worth repeating.
Q;
Why are all the unemployment stats, going back 30 yrs, recorded quarterly, up to march 2020, but will not be updated until sept. 2020.
Coincidentally there is an election that month.
source, stats NZ.
Labour again using govt. depts. to manipulate information in their favour. Leading up to an election.
Dirty politics, by the genuine dirty party.
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June 22, 2020 9:18am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I think this will be one of the dirtiest election campaigns ever even though Cindy will smile and say they will not stoop to levels by the opposition.
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:51am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Labour have always lower than a lizard drinking.
    Kicking over election signs
    Defacing election signs
    is as old as I can remember, and always made me think, if you have to do this, how good can your policies be?
    
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    June 22, 2020 10:23am
oldpark

Was amazed to hear that the man known as Michael Joseph Savage was said to be very much “Au Fait” with NZs Chinese Citizens in days long ago. Was also wondering his not so friendly attitude to NZs Chinese Citizens and why “Miss Auntie Cindy Ardern ” control freak has a picture of him hanging on the wall in her office. Seems his track record on that type of attitude emulates anything the Wakefield brothers were said to be involved with in Wellington City once more in days long passed.. Yes the same men who have had a street named after them as well as other buildings, who the far left Lunatic Labour/ Green Wellington City Council want dumped . Maybe they should study the type of activities and nasty actions and comments made by Michael Joseph Savage regarding Chinese Citizens in NZ .They will quickly find a glass house result. Nuff said.
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June 22, 2020 9:26am
lifesgood

OMG..what a train wreck of an interview by Mike Hosking this morning. The PM made an absolute fool of herself, no answers, obfuscation, Mike, Mike, Mike etc. I’ll give her a one out of ten for sheer bloody cheek. We all now know that the lack of testing was a deliberate ploy to make it look like NZ was covid free when it clearly wasn’t. You fool me once, shame on you, you fool me twice, shame on me.
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June 22, 2020 9:27am
- MCos
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  According to comments on the forum every interview by the PM is a train wreck, right from day one.
  Personally I don’t know so I rely on social media for a verdict and one person’s train wreck is another’s triumph.
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:52am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “We all now know that the lack of testing was a deliberate ploy to make it look like NZ was covid free when it clearly wasn’t.”
  
  Can you explain that please? Everything else in your post makes sense, but I’m afraid that statement is complete nonsense.
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:52am
  - lifesgood
    
    If you don’t test you don’t have cases. Quite simple really. What don’t you understand?
    
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    June 22, 2020 10:06am
  - Flossie
    
    It’s the way Trump wants it … less testing equals less positive results. Simples!
    
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    June 22, 2020 12:48pm
- Fletch
  
  Listen –
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/jacinda-ardern-and-mike-hosking-clash-over-quarantine-testing/
  
  At around 8:50 –
  
  Jacinda: we have not had one case where a person from quarantine has passed on Covid-19
  Mike: you don’t know that because they left the hotels untested
  J: Mike, we do
  M: you don’t
  J: yes, we do
  M: you don’t
  J; we do
  M: you do not…
  
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  June 22, 2020 10:47am
- Jimmy White
  
  “You have you view Mike I have mine”
  “Prime-minister it’s not a view its Fact”
  BOOM
  
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  June 22, 2020 1:42pm
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    JW@1342
    
    And the conversation was immediately terminated?
    
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    June 22, 2020 6:19pm
Two bob

WHAT THE FUCK!!! The govt took the liberty to upload covid tracer app to most of our phones.

while I understand we need to enable it to work but its utter bullshit to update my device without my consent.
if you exp problems last week it was due to this, I have all update setting on my phone turned off yet there it goes in my settings.
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June 22, 2020 9:30am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I had not noticed. I will never use it.
  
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  June 22, 2020 10:06am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Uploading apps to others peoples devices is piracy. It’s a form of stealing as it reduces the available space the owner has free. It’s only a short hop away from modifying someones else’s programs, AKA as computer viruses/hacking.
  
  Have we now got computer cowboys/girls now running amuck as official govt hackers in NZ? That is illegal.
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:18am
- RJ
  
  Just checked and it’s not on any of our phones, and never will be, but I do see the govt is still looking at a covid card.
  
  The Government is seeking tech experts to conduct an independent review of the $100 million CovidCard proposal, indicating that the scheme could still be rolled out in the future.
  
  Article
  
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  June 22, 2020 2:22pm
  - Two bob
    
    its not in your apps but in your phones google settings (android) I understand iphone its under settings-privacy-health
    
    I have everything possible turned off to prevent any updates and zero permissions for anything yet its there on my phone.
    
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    June 22, 2020 6:09pm
- Batman
  
  What? Are you sure your Telco hasn’t done this via an update?
  
  There’s no legal ability for the government to push an app to anyone’s phone either via Telco, via your app store, or via your phone manufacturer.
  
  Did a family member sneak it on there for ya?
  
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  June 22, 2020 2:39pm
  - RJ
    
    Like you I cannot see the govt doing this so have searched the news and think people are getting confused
    
    A Covid-19 tracing software tool has appeared in the settings of both Android phones and iPhones as part of an update of their operating systems.
    
    The “exposure notification” tool is switched off by default, and is not a tracing app itself.
    
    It enables an app to run in the background while still using Bluetooth.
    
    This lets the app measure the distance between two handsets – and then alert the phone owner if someone near them later tests positive for Covid-19.
    
    BBC Article
    
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    June 22, 2020 5:58pm
    - Batman
      
      Agree mate
      
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      June 22, 2020 8:55pm
  - Two bob
    
    im pretty sure telcos dont randomly add govt apps to your phone unless directed by govt to do so
    
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    June 22, 2020 6:10pm
    - RJ
      
      Actually I think what you have is the update from apple or google, it is not an app and it is nothing to do with the govt. if you have android it rolled out with the latest Google Play Services update this week
      
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      June 22, 2020 7:36pm
    - Batman
      
      They do if they get paid. But that is generally before you buy it ie crap/spamware bloat
      
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      June 22, 2020 8:54pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  How can you tell if an APP has been uploaded to your smartphone or tablet without your permission? If I look at “APPS”, I don’t see anything unusual. can they hide it?
  
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  June 22, 2020 7:18pm
hullkiwi

The Standard is good reading for a laugh this morning. Our opposites in their echo chamber are still trying to reassure themselves and peddle the myth, that Woodhouse is to blame for the latest cases and endangering public health.

To believe and peddle such a myth you have to be incredibly dumb or insincere or both.

Their argument was that Woodhouse got the information, withheld it from the authorities for a “gotcha” moment in the house last week.

What the clowns at the Standard fail to realise is that:
1. Woodhouse got his information from a leak from within the MoH.
2. Bloomfield & co were privy to the same information, but chose to withhold or spin a different version of evdnts;
3. Before Woodhouse “went public” he had to check his facts and working with the National team, confirm how the information was released.

How could Woodhouse endangered public health releasing information that the MoH already had and should have been acting upon?

Would any action have been taken had Woodhouse politely spoken to Bloomfield and co about a case the department already knew about?

How has Woodhouse endangered public health by embarrassing Jacinda, Clark and Bloomfield of their failings to put in place systems that have endangered the health of New Zealanders?

For the record Woodhouse is an opposition MP, he has control over nothing. Jacinda and Clark assured New Zealanders that they were putting in place systems to ensure returning Kiwis were properly isolated, tested and quarantined. The systems they put in place failed. So, were the measures put in placed always doomed to fail? Or did they just lie?

So, to those in the echo chamber of the Standard, it your Prime Minister, your Minister of Health and Ashley Bloomfield who have endangered the public health of New Zealanders, not Michael Woodhouse who scored the ultimate gotcha on a bunch of abject failures and liars.
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June 22, 2020 9:30am
- graham
  
  Thanks for taking one for the team hullkiwi and casting your eyes over there.
  
  Unbelievable. What a bunch of numpties.
  
  As an aside, is Greg Presland aka “Micky Savage” still commenting there? Casts a slightly different light when you realise that the man he has chosen to identify with was an appalling racist with eugenic tendancies who – were to be judged by the current standards that are being selectively applied today to other past leaders – would be no doubt expunged from the annals of history.
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:17am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes Presland, still writes. Who do you think wrote this morning’s piece peddling the myth attacking Woodhouse? I suppose we should be grateful he never got selected to represent Labour in New Lynn.
    
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    June 22, 2020 11:52am
lifesgood

I am curious to know about the 10s of thousands of people pouring into the country. They can’t all be tourists caught out abroad. I suspect most of them are actually long term expatriots who have decided to come home because they mistakenly heard we were covid free. Why is the tax payer having to pay for them to be put up in hotels for two weeks? What will they do for work when we have a huge and growing unemployment problem? Will they therefore go on the dole thus increasing the country’s burden? Why are airlines providing flights for them? Shouldn’t we have had a cut off date for returnees? Lots of questions, no answers.
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June 22, 2020 9:32am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It does not matter why they are returning home. If a New Zealand citizen manages to get themselves back to New Zealand, they cannot be refused entry. The airlines are providing flights because they are in the business of flying people. The only responsibility of the airlines is to refuse boarding to any passenger who does not have authorisation to enter New Zealand. (And they are fined if they fail to do so.). However, by definition, all New Zealand citizens can enter New Zealand, so of course the airlines will provide flights if they are profitable.
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    But, why is quarantine free?
    
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    June 22, 2020 6:01pm
- Jules99
  
  Not helped by our media crowing about how successful NZ has been without much coverage of vast numbers of unemployed. I have had several potential migrants contact me hoping to move to NZ and look for work. They think everything is fine here, unlike where they live at the moment.
  
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  June 22, 2020 10:01am
- MCos
  
  I’ll answer some of your questions.
  No tourists are entering the country, unless they are NZ citizens or permanent residents, which probably doesn’t qualify as ‘tourists’.
  The tax payer is paying because the managed isolation is mandated by the government.
  It’s not a prerequisite it have a job to return home.
  You can get the unemployment benefit if you normally live here and have been a citizen or PR for two years.
  If you buy a ticket the airline would love to fly you here.
  No. If you’re a Kiwi this is your home. Besides you might not have a visa for anywhere else.
  
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  June 22, 2020 10:06am
  - Tall Man
    
    Not entirely correct.
    
    Quarantine need not be at tax payer expense, it is ardern’s choice.
    
    There are many Kiwis who have chosen to live and work plus raise their families overseas so this is not their home.
    
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    June 22, 2020 6:07pm
  - Two bob
    
    so why cant we load up the migrants stuck here and send them home? Be alot cheaper then what this govt guna throw at them
    
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    June 22, 2020 6:16pm
MCos

It seems the hotels in Auckland appropriate to house the people in managed isolation have reached capacity and some people are being bussed down to Rotorua.
One would imagine there are some hotels down there that are quite pleased about that because occupancy rates are rock bottom.
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June 22, 2020 9:32am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Heaps of empty hotels in Queenstown. They could be flown down there on charter flights and be escorted out for some snow sports. 🙂
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:44am
  - Tall Man
    
    And golf lessons?
    
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    June 22, 2020 5:54pm
- CJames
  
  Rotorua is mostly motels (look down Fenton Street) and many of them have been housing the homeless.
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:47am
- Two bob
  
  the rest of aucklands accomodation is probably full of winz “clients”.
  
  why are we allowing ppl to flood our “closed borders” ? It seems most coming in arent stranded backpackers but passport holders fleeing their homelands as nz is now seen as a covid scantuary.
  
  Are the 700 indians paying their way? I recall sob stories it was too expensive for them, please tell me taxpayers are not still paying to import these ppl and the virus?
  
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  June 22, 2020 9:47am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The people “flooding our borders” are citizens and permanent residents. Citizens can never be refused entry to New Zealand. (The same principle applies in every country, or at least functional countries.) Technically, New Zealand could refuse entry to permanent residents. However, that would require an amendment to the Immigration Act. It would also cause considerable hardship by separating families. (Many New Zealand citizens are married to New Zealand Permanent Residents.)
    
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    June 22, 2020 10:04am
    - Two bob
      
      how many extra extended family members are in tow tho? I bet my left nut there are a bunch of non citizens on those flights getting let in on compassionate exemptions.
      
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      June 22, 2020 12:16pm
    - kwkiwigirl
      
      I don’t mind permanent residents entering who have been paying Nz taxes. Ardern needs to charge Nz residents for quarantine who are not paying Nz tax.
      
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      June 22, 2020 10:13pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Friends of ours arrived exhausted after 26hrs of travel. They were loaded onto a bus at Auckland airport thinking they’d be going to the city. After leaving the airport they were told the bus would be traveling 3.5hrs non-stop to Rotorua. There were no toilet facilities on the bus.
  
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  June 22, 2020 10:01am
  - MCos
    
    Nobody said it was going to be easy.
    I believe the buses stopped for a toilet break.
    
    A general observation.
    Despite the recent cockups once the living hell of a fortnight paid accommodation in a good hotel is endured, NZ isn’t such a bad place to be in these troubled times.
    
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    June 22, 2020 11:39am
  - Tall Man
    
    First world problem really.
    
    I hope they appreciate the $3,000 break they’ll get at our expense.
    
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    June 22, 2020 5:57pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Thanks for the info. A friend was contemplating a little trip to Rotorua to boost economy and enjoy hot pools. Won’t do it now.
  
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  June 22, 2020 12:13pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    and the restaurant owners/ shopkeepers/tour companies aren’t happy that NZers are likely to stay away from Rotorua these school holidays because it’s now a potential virus hotspot.
    
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    June 22, 2020 3:11pm
Maggie Pie

One of my absolute Twitter besties has been given a LIFE BAN……. “For violating Twitters hateful contact policy”.
Katie Hopkins was on Sky last night, telling Rowan Dean the actual reason she was banned, “…was for using a line from Blackadder “- when in response to an abusive BLM commenter saying he was going to rape her, she responded, “….well I hope he’s hung like a baboon”.

Unbelievable! If it wasn’t for the fact i get hundreds of ‘likes’ from my twitter followers every week, I’d be showing my support for KT by telling @jack to stick it up his bum.
As my partner sez, Katie Hopkins’ views matter much more than a lot of other things in life.
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June 22, 2020 10:06am
- BananaLlama
  
  Don’t worry, Republicans are monitoring the situation. They deserve to lose.
  
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  June 22, 2020 10:51am
Tony Stuart

Peter Williams is saying on Magic Talk that at least three new COVID cases will be announced this afternoon; at the Novotel Auckland Airport, the Grand Millennium in Auckland, and a case from Rotorua.

The Novotel case came to light last night, courtesy of a journalist quarantined there, but the other cases suggest that the MoH and the Government are struggling to keep a lid on things, and that disgruntled people in quarantine who feel let down by “the system” are going straight to the media. If nothing else, it’s keeping the pressure on the Government, after all last week’s blunders.
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June 22, 2020 10:17am
- RJ
  
  so that Rotorua case was bused down to Rotorua? All those people on the bus together. Great way to spread this virus.
  
  These isolation places should be in the one area, not spread around the country.
  
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  June 22, 2020 10:39am
- DeepBlue
  
  Bloomfield didn’t announced the Rotorua case at 1pm today… If true they must be working on the PR to hold over to tomorrow. It will be a massive turning point for confidence in Govn.
  
  Now they are expecting 900 people to arrive on next few days…. Panic stations where to house them, Whenuapai, caravans.
  
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  June 22, 2020 2:16pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Interesting to hear Todd McClay talking to Shaun Plunket this afternoon, saying he’s already been contacted by Rotorua moteliers reporting people cancelling bookings for the July school holidays. The cancellations are because people don’t want to holiday in a quarantine town.
    
    Some much for domestic tourism in the school holidays being a lifeline for the tourism industry!
    
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    June 22, 2020 3:20pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Well done Cindy, you’ve done it again! Bumbling fool.
      
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      June 22, 2020 7:06pm
surfing

Trump is running the most powerful country in the world, yet still has 15 minutes to defend how he walks down a ramp!!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12341710

Jeez, I’d have walked down that ramp the same way in slippery conditions.

Trump should not have given small minded critics the time of day — there are far more important things going on right now.
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June 22, 2020 10:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe next time give Trump a walking stick – then sit back and watch the immature media lose their shit.
  I’m sure he would go with it, he likes playing them
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:05am
  - MCos
    
    Maybe Trump should just get out in front of the crowd and explain why he’d be a better president & leader of the free world than Biden.
    What are his plans to get the US out of the all it’s various problems?
    Right now he’s not doing that and Biden is getting a free ride.
    
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    June 22, 2020 11:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      What are Biden’s policies? The media are all over him like flies on shit, but how will he Make America Great Again? Crickets
      
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      June 22, 2020 1:12pm
      - Batman
        
        Have you checked his website?
        
        Think for yourself, Steve! 😉
        
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        June 22, 2020 2:32pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Batman, I was hoping MCos could give some examples – seeing as he claims Biden is getting a ‘free ride’.
        Yes? or no?
        
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        June 22, 2020 3:12pm
    - Jules99
      
      Funny thing is he did just that, but for some strange reason the Herald doesn’t report it.
      
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      June 22, 2020 1:51pm
RRM

In one of the PM’s press conferences the Police Commissioner cracked jokes about arresting anyone who didn’t comply with the lockdown.

Now a police officer is dead, his family are unhappy about being quarantined because it’s disrupting their grief and the funeral.

And the head of the Police Association is going to the news media advocating for some special treatment for them. Well guess what Officer? It was good enough for us, it’s good enough for you too.
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June 22, 2020 10:50am
- SB2
  
  RRM , what does the death of Constable Hunt got to do with the lockdown?
  
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  June 22, 2020 12:41pm
  - RRM
    
    What I just said.
    
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    June 22, 2020 12:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Comprehension. RRM explained it quite simply
    
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    June 22, 2020 1:14pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Sometimes you just need to spell it out again for SB2.
      
      Some of Constable Hunt’s family members were overseas when he was murdered.
      
      They will need to be quarantined /lockdowned for 14 days after arrival back in NZ before they can mix with other people.
      Hence Constable Hunt’s funeral is going to be delayed.
      
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      June 22, 2020 3:17pm
      - Tall Man
        
        But why bother.
        
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        June 22, 2020 5:37pm
BananaLlama

Why do we keep letting more covid cases into our country …. one hundred+ billion and eleven lives not enough? Want to spend more!?
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June 22, 2020 10:50am
Fletch

Also Hosking this morning –

“Reports out of Tauranga. They have a weakness in the ports. Maritime border protections are a problem. People are coming off the ships – should be in quarantine, aren’t in quarantine. The crew from countries like China and the Philippines seen in shops in Mt Maunganui. The crew members are allowed off the boats without testing. How come that’s happening? So, they’re trying to close that gap at the moment. I suspect it’s a gap they hadn’t thought of”
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June 22, 2020 11:11am
RJ

a nice video out of the USA for a change, my only problem would be did this couple then drive?

Link
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June 22, 2020 11:24am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tulsa Rally Crowd was small //
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWGzcR4K6kI&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3FgyIRraiGQsfHCktAbGGtiX7-UHuPdYYJSosnkmInIpgyjkg9N4RraxQ
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June 22, 2020 11:31am
- Batman
  
  6,200 in a venue of 19,000, and where the administration had boasted of a million ticket requests.
  
  They got played.
  
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  June 22, 2020 2:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Or one third empty. Numbers not adding up, depending on where you look. Did not bother what CNN said.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/us/politics/tulsa-trump-rally.html
    
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    June 22, 2020 3:19pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Good comment though
    
    ”
    Stan S
    12 hours ago
    I’m going to infiltrate Biden’s Rally to take over Biden’s Campaign.
    Who’s with me?
    I need 11 people to take over ALL 12 seats that he has set up for his voters.”
    
    As I said Batman, basket case TDS.
    
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    June 22, 2020 5:18pm
Maggie Pie

My neighbor popped over earlier for a chat.
She pretty much nailed it when she said girls with houseplants make the best partners. They’ve learned how to care for something that sits around all day being fuking useless.

Just saying.
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June 22, 2020 11:35am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Ment to say she was also telling me that Labor’s entire Maori caucus have nicknamed Jacinda…. ‘Miss Bossy Boots’
  LOL!!
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Wonder what they call her under their breath?
    
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    June 22, 2020 1:16pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Miss Bossy Jack Boots
      
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      June 22, 2020 3:56pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    They are adept at licking it anyway.
    
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    June 22, 2020 1:48pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ouch
      
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      June 22, 2020 3:32pm
  - Scooter
    
    Those hideous ankle boots she wears
    
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    June 23, 2020 9:26am
- RJ
  
  So you are saying that anyone who is dating someone who can’t care for houseplants should run for their life?
  
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  June 22, 2020 12:14pm
Happychappy

Well you have to read this from Jacinda Ardern this morning to actually realize that she makes a untrue statement and then when the question is asked she has to cover with another lie as she can’t justify the first statement.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/coronavirus-reports-of-rule-breaking-at-covid-19-hotels-not-always-true-jacinda-ardern.html
She even blames it on National as they keep asking for the borders to be opened, it’s obvious that she does not care about the economy and it’s all about her wanting her name in lights for eradicating CORID-19.
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June 22, 2020 11:42am
- Nookin
  
  “She even blames it on National as they keep asking for the borders to be opened….”
  
  The fact that her coalition partner was saying much the same thing and forced her to go to level 1 before she said she would is entirely irrelevant, then?
  
  Calling for opening of the borders does not necessarily invite incompetence, lack of foresight and lack of accountability.
  
  It is astounding that the government cannot identify the thresholds that must be achieved before the next level is achieved. This has been a consistent theme from day 1.
  
  The conclusion that they don’t know and are still trying to work it out is inescapable.
  
  Even Hipkins has said that initially the lock-down was to buy time.
  
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  June 22, 2020 12:07pm
- Two bob
  
  does she have an earpiece in with a puppet master directing her?
  Garner caught her out good and then after flustering came a really lame response/example after a brief pause that looked like she was listening to commands on what to say?
  
  shes no good at speaking without a script or slogans
  
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  June 22, 2020 12:24pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No script is we we get the ‘jacindaspeak’ more commonly known as ‘waffle’
    
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    June 22, 2020 1:20pm
  - greybeard
    
    “does she have an earpiece in with a puppet master directing her?”
    
    Funny you should say that ! I have remarked numerous times on this blog that H1 ( & probably H2 ) have been directing Jacinda throughout her entire time as PM.
    
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    June 22, 2020 6:59pm
I remember when

Possible reasons greengrocers were not allowed to open.
Don’t sell enough organics, herbicides, pesticides, industrial fertilisers, staff in lockdown so unable to harvest or process, pollution of waterways, CO2 emissions, poor planning.
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June 22, 2020 11:45am
BeaB

Thank goodness for Mike Hosking who exposed her waffles and lies. He’s our best interviewer by a country mile
Totally different from the girly chat she snoozed through on Red Radio’s Morning Report.
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June 22, 2020 12:26pm
Left Right and Centre

This story has got it all

Tetraplegic paedophile convicted taking bathroom photos of Asian women carers who felt trapped because their work visas relied on the job. He was of course shot as a security guard in South Africa.

Did he come here as a tetraplegic immigrant or did he go to SA as NZ citizen?

I don’t know how NZders are meant to compete with work visa third world people – they will put up with anything or anyone for any pay to cling to places like NZ. Easy exploitation. Charming.
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June 22, 2020 12:28pm
Maggie Pie

Well i found it funny 😀

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbB8CAqXQAAUyZZ?format=jpg&name=900×900
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June 22, 2020 12:34pm
- Tall Man
  
  She may need a little more than inserts I think.
  
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  June 22, 2020 5:04pm
- Two bob
  
  labour govt gave her directions on which way to go.
  
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  June 22, 2020 6:22pm
Surely Knott

What is a citizen? We are increasingly giving tax payer support to “NZ citizens” who may not have been living in our country for many years. For example Ozzie kicking out NZ criminals who have lived in OZ all their lives, people who went to OZ or USA for high income, then lose their job and come home to state support. As well as the quarantining debacle and expense. Should Ex pat NZers be required to file a nz tax return each year, if they intend to access NZ services again in times of health, unemployment, or retirement.
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June 22, 2020 12:40pm
- MCos
  
  I am an NZ citizen. I lived in Thailand off and on for 25 years. More on than off.
  I paid tax every year on what little income I made from renting my house when I was abroad.
  American citizens have to file a tax return annually even if they have no income and I believe it’s not a straightforward process. On the other hand their pension is paid out wherever they are; same with Brits.
  BTW
  If you are resident offshore you can’t fly in just to get a new hip or something.
  
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  June 22, 2020 1:13pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Currently, unless you have lived and worked in NZ for a substantial number of years prior to retirement you are ineligible for Super and that is how it should be.
    
    Someone who chooses to live and make their life overseas does not deserve the benefits that others have earned, in my opinion.
    
    Paying minimal tax on property rental doesn’t cut it for me.
    
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    June 22, 2020 5:03pm
- Pharmachick
  
  I am a NZ citizen. I have been expatriate (apart from holidays/weddings/funerals) for 19 years and counting.
  
  I wouldn’t dream of coming home right now and potentially exposing you guys to that sh*t. I haven’t paid tax in NZ for 15 years either so…
  
  Good luck guys, and sorry for ht e ones taking advantage!
  
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  June 22, 2020 2:37pm
- Jules99
  
  Maybe we should do what the UK does – require a period residency for returning citizens to get health care etc (except for emergency treatment of course).
  
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  June 22, 2020 3:53pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    What’s so special about emergency treatment? You are either a citizen plugged into the health system or you aren’t.
    
    If you are an NZ tax resident then you are liable for NZ income tax on world-wide income (with credit for payments on said income paid elsewhere). If you are not an NZ tax resident (out of the country for 12 months) then not. Paying NZ tax on your NZ rental does not make you an NZ tax resident.
    
    If you aren’t an NZ tax resident ….. gets a bit vague. Come “home” (for a “visit”) …. get diagnosed with something bad …. is this our problem?
    
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    June 22, 2020 5:33pm
Left Right and Centre

Wow – convicted after 10 years of sexual abuse.
52 year old man let into this country as a refugee (of course). No remorse, no guilty plea (of course).
Convicted from 2002 sex with a 15 year old- mental age 12 (of course)

Refugee into NZ 20 years ago.
Does not speak any English (of course).

Doesn’t speak English? Er – how does that work at job interviews or anything in this country?
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June 22, 2020 12:59pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Is he on Labour list? If not, I am disappointed…
  
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  June 22, 2020 1:52pm
- Komata
  
  LR&S@1259
  
  He may say ‘No comprende Englise’ or it’s equivalent, but knock a substantial amount off his wages and he will suddenly become VERY bi-lingual!!
  
  Gives the phrase ‘ Money talks’ a whole new meaning…
  
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  June 22, 2020 4:56pm
Swifty

Question of the Day!

Spot the howling error in Stuff’s obit for All Black Dennis Young today:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300039632/from-tap-dancing-to-all-blacks-dennis-young-was-one-of-a-kind
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June 22, 2020 1:11pm
Happychappy

Are the Government going from one Stuff up to another.
One problem with the Compassionate Leave Ban: It’s quite possible not Legal.
Why would open your mouth at all and spout new rules when you haven’t even bothered to make sure they are legal , in one word “Incompetence “.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-06-2020/one-problem-with-the-compassionate-leave-ban-its-quite-possibly-not-legal/
But the sheeple keep following Jacinda as she nice and kind not because she has no idea on law or economics.
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June 22, 2020 1:41pm
MH

apparently the use of eskimo is considered derogatory and American Ice Cream maker apologetic. Your’e inuit, how will eskimo Nell survive ?
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June 22, 2020 1:43pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  More woke bullshit:
  “Etymologically speaking, there exists a scientific consensus that the word Eskimo comes from the Innu-aimun (Montagnais) word ayas̆kimew meaning “a person who laces a snowshoe” and is related to “husky” (a breed of dog), and it does not have a pejorative meaning in origin”
  
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  June 22, 2020 11:06pm
cmm

My brother is a tour guide in Africa. He can get cell phone reception driving end-to-end through Rwanda.

Here in Chch I am in a dead spot :-(.
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June 22, 2020 1:56pm
- hullkiwi
  
  So you live in provincial NZ then? Not beltway Wellington Auckland CBD plus Eastern Suburbs?
  
  The rest can go swing.
  
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  June 22, 2020 2:38pm
- Two bob
  
  my mate a few km down the road gets reception at his mailbox but walk 15m to the house and nothing. lives in a small town, dude behind him gets zero service and has to run a booster/router thingy from the shop.
  
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  June 22, 2020 6:34pm
greenfinger

Given how lax the quarantine protocol has been, you would think there are already coronavirus cases circulating in the community but they have not been picked up because so many of them have been turned away when trying to get tested. Someone should ask Ardern for a cast iron guarantee that this is no cases in the community!!
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June 22, 2020 1:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Gates.
http://2020conservative.com/bill-gates-vaccines-are-best-way-to-depopulate-3-2/?utm_source=2020-S24&utm_medium=email&utm_content=subscriber_id:3765537&utm_campaign=6-20%202020%20(Duplicate%20%231)
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June 22, 2020 2:18pm
RJ

With all the problems the past week you would I would expect the govt and ministry to make sure that no one had anything to complain about any more.

New arrivals completing managed isolation at an Auckland Novotel are outraged after discovering that the facility has been placed under lockdown via a Newshub article, rather than being informed by health officials.

Newshub Article
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June 22, 2020 2:33pm
RJ

Two interesting articles from Dr Vernon Coleman

Why There Will Be A Second Wave (They Need One)

They have done very well so far, with the aid of wildly inaccurate predictions made by a bunch of mathematical modellers who have never diagnosed or treated a patient in their lives, they have succeeded in putting much of the world under house arrest, closing down the global economy, shutting schools, exterminating vast numbers of older folk, sentencing millions of untreated patients to death and more. There was never any reason for any of it, of course. We knew that and they knew it too. The virus which was the subject of all this legalised mayhem was never more dangerous than the ordinary flu. The number of people killed by the prescribed treatment, the lockdowns and the social distancing, will, far, far exceed the number killed by the coronavirus.

Link

Have You Been Put On A List to Be Left to Die?

What I am about to reveal is, perhaps, the most shocking evidence I have come across in 50 years of writing about health matters.

To say that I am horrified is the biggest understatement of all time.

You will be shocked too.

Link

Dr Vernon Coleman’s Website
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June 22, 2020 2:55pm
Jack5

Bainimarama’s plan for “bubble” holidays in Fiji for Australians and New Zealanders:

Upon arrival, travellers would have to spend 14 days in Fiji government quarantine facilities and then be required to pass a Covid-19 test to enter the general public.

This would be at their own cost or that of their respective government.

Perhaps they would have to go back into quarantine on their return to Australia or NZ.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/419547/bula-bubble-touted-by-fiji-pm
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June 22, 2020 3:49pm
Jack5

The mother of all Maori “land” claims, or Maui’s biggest fishing story yet ….

The Maori-dominated New Zealand Geographic Board, has sought and obtained a Maori name for the submerged continent of Zealandia, of which New Zealand is an unsubmerged part.

In 2018, after hints from the Geographic Board, GNS Science asked Auckland university lecturer Manuka Henare to come up with a Maori name. Henare had found Maori names for three New Zealand naval vessels – e Kaha, Te Maru and Te Mana.

The name he came up with for Zealandia is Te Riu-a-Maui, which means “the hills, valleys and plains of Maui.”

The GNS Science web site notes “the convention with dual names is that the Maori name comes first e.g. Aotearoa/New Zealand, Aoraki/Mt Cook.”

No problem with dual names, in Maori and English respectively, with the Maori name for use in the Maori language, and the English name for use when the language is English.

https://www.gns.cri.nz/Home/News-and-Events/What-s-new/The-origin-and-meaning-of-the-name-Te-Riu-a-Maui-Zealandia
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June 22, 2020 4:08pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Maui is recognised as a crook too.
  
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  June 22, 2020 5:55pm
Swifty

There is no such thing as an ‘unlicensed gun’ in NZ.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121905535/fine-issued-after-six-unlicensed-guns-found-at-rural-marlborough-property

There is an unlicensed owner, and soon there will be ‘unregistered guns’ – but, no, no unlicensed guns.

Why do Stuff continue to write such nonsense and then ask them to take them seriously on firearms matters?
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June 22, 2020 5:26pm
- Swifty
  
  *ask us
  
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  June 22, 2020 6:48pm
surfing

Ihumatao are getting 30 million dollars of taxpayer money!

This is going to kick off the dominos ….
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June 22, 2020 6:11pm
greybeard

“A new Health Order will make it explicit that arriving Kiwis need to return a negative Covid-19 test before leaving isolation or quarantine after 14 days. Those that refuse can be held for up to a month.

It also refreshed the ban on cruise ships and tightened up the rules for crews on foreign ships, effectively ending much of shore leave.”

Jesus wept: it only took this so-called “government” to now put these rules into place.
At least 3 months after the start of the crap !
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June 22, 2020 6:48pm
- RJ
  
  I had to laugh watching the news tonight. NZ Post are building a new facility for processing and the reason given was because of the problems they had coming out of lockdown. The only reason for these issues were because the government demanded couriers do not deliver anything other than what they deemed essential. Then the biggest problem was NZ Post did no preparation for having to deliver and sort those parcels when lockdown lifted.
  
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  June 22, 2020 7:44pm
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    Had a NZ Post parcel delivered in a couple of days at level 2, but two parcels via another firm took 20+ days. Total meltdown
    
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    June 22, 2020 11:40pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The crews of overseas vessels are treated v badly. There are now MAJOR mental health problems with people trapped on ships and some whose contracts are ended but are still on the vessel and arent getting paid.
  
  UK Maritime Safety people are now on Pax vessels anchored off the UK investigating the mental health problems. Many ports especially US domt let crews ashore FULL STOP and these poor buggers are basically in prison. They get paid bugger all and are treated like shit.
  
  I was at sea when it was still a good job now it is very poor.
  
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  June 22, 2020 8:00pm
  - RJ
    
    I have been following this story, much respect for them sending a boat to get their crew
    
    Morale is high aboard the San Aspiring in the Southern Ocean after 15 kiwi fishermen learnt their retrieval boat is halfway to collect them.
    
    The vessel is located off the Falkland Islands, off the coast of South America, fishing for toothfish, and many of the men have been at sea for more than 140 days because of Covid-19.
    
    Timaru Herald
    
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    June 22, 2020 9:35pm
RJ

How to buy the maori youth vote.

The deal over the disputed land in South Auckland is expected to cost more than $30 million.

Pania Newton of Save Our Unique Landscape (SOUL) said reaching a resolution had not been easy, “but I think it’ll be one of the best things I could ever experience in my lifetime”.

1 NEWS understands the Government is planning to acquire land at Ihumātao under the Housing Act, with the intent it would avoid issues with the Treaty of Waitangi settlement process.

One News Article
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June 22, 2020 7:27pm
Two bob

well the shootout in auckland that resulted in the loss of an officer involved a dozen or more shots.
o dear did he have time to reload or did the shooter have a firearm that cindy and nash claim were successfull in ban/buying back? (%27 is not successful btw)

Would explain the only detail on firearm as a long barrel rifle. will be interesting once they release more details.
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June 22, 2020 8:20pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  My 22 rifle held 15 bullets in a long tube under the barrel. There was a bullet shaped hole at the end in which you placed bullets one by one and listened to them slide into the tube. It took about a minute to reload. You could shoot 15 shots a minute.
  
  Because the rifle held more than ten bullets it was outlawed and the government paid $750 to buy it.
  
  The replacement 22 rifle holds only ten bullets in a magazine but you can replace the empty magazine in a couple of seconds with a fresh one holding another ten bullets. With this new “legal” rifle you can now shoot 40 shots per minute.
  
  Go figure!
  
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  June 23, 2020 7:10am
- quarterpack
  
  Two bob, wouldn’t your comment indicate we are on the right track in getting rid of semi autos, which can transform any drugged up half wit with scant idea of how to shoot into a murderer or even a mass murderer. I would say these things are hardly essential for the functioning of society and their effect is like that of nuclear waste, remaining deadly to human life for for years after their original purpose has expired.
  
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  June 23, 2020 8:41pm

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