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Yvette

Manukau, not Northland: leaked port report
A new port report before Cabinet is a U-turn on the last one, which recommended Auckland’s port be moved to Northland

Deja vue light rail from the CBD to Auckland airport, or kiwi build houses that don’t sell.
Put Phil Twyford in charge of border restrictions and they could be open at the same time as they are shut.
Let’s keep moving – the goal posts
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July 7, 2020 8:06am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The port will never be moved. It makes no sense except to extend Shane Jones’s influence.
  Re-organisation can be done over time and the increased shipping costs and delays avoided.
  Auckland has grown but not outgrown its ability to adapt.
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:27am
  - tf78
    
    Phil Goff for once in his life had a reasonable idea – that was to barge the cars from the wharves to the Tamaki Estuary (I think) to get them off the wharves and make room for more containers etc.
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:23am
- Kabull
  
  And the shipping companies have apparently stated they would never use the Manukau because the bar and the shallow depths make it extremely unsafe for a large vessel. Imagine if the log carrier that got into trouble yesterday leaving Tauranga had been departing the Manukau into a good westerly blow …
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:47am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I’ve crossed the Manukau bar in a cargo ship (back in the days when Onehunga wharf still handled small cargo ships from/to the islands).
    
    We waited at sea for hours to cross the bar. Watching for the right combination of tide, wind and current to get across with grounding. And this was only a small island trading ship…. I dread to think how a tanker or a container ship would manage. Totally impossible, I would say.
    
    Once inside the harbour there’s nothing but a small channel leading up to Onehunga. Like a narrow one way street with absolutely no room to pass. It’s a crazy idea to even think of expanding the (rudimentary) port facility on the Manukau. It was possible in the 1890s with flat bottomed skows, but a modern port world be a nightmare.
    
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    July 7, 2020 9:28am
    - tf78
      
      They could build a Suez Canal type channel to go from Waitemata to Manukau – that would be cheaper and safer than arriving at Manukau.
      
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      July 7, 2020 10:26am
      - Inandout
        
        tf78, this scenario was looked at way back in the 1920s as the gap between was only a mile or so. Land in the early days was sort of kept vacant ‘just in case’, but knowing the huge costs involved and the necessity for a lock or similar because of differing sea levels, it never went ahead. I think the French Pass in the Sounds is a good example of two seas meeting in a channell, or Cape Reinga without.
        
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        July 7, 2020 11:51am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Also I believe it would be the only major port on the west coast which would make longer travelling distances to NZ other ports such as Tauranga and Lyttelton so big shipping companies will not like that.
    
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    July 7, 2020 9:49am
- hullkiwi
  
  Phil Twyford may not inspire confidence in getting significant projects moving/completed, but moving the cargo port of Auckland to the Manuksu is more sensible than the other proposals. However, there are still a multitude of factors that need to be addressed if such a proposal is to succeed, not least access to and from the Harbour.
  
  The notion of Northport is ine of those proposals that should be be as “stone dead” as the Norwegian Blue, LRT and CRL should have been. But in the realms of govt projects, taxpayers’ money and vested interests some idiotic projects are never killed off when they should be.
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:49am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    eg., kiwirail, kiwibank, kiwibuild, kiwilockdown etc etc etc… kiwiport is but the latest in a very long run.
    
    All parasitic organisms, inevitably fatal to the host.
    
    Labour appears to be a carrier.
    
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    July 7, 2020 9:21am
    - tf78
      
      I saw meme “Labour are the Virus”.
      
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      July 7, 2020 10:27am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Still Cindy is odds on favourite to win this term. No matter what. So don’t worry about anything. Kiwis are good at rewarding mediocrity.
  
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  July 7, 2020 12:35pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Has she even reached mediocrity yet?
    
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    July 7, 2020 12:59pm
Sarkozygroupie

Pictograph of comparative size of pandemics through the ages.

https://multitools.newscdn.com.au/multitools/slider/content/1585690869828/NED-1434-Pandemics-over-time_gsBKAX9CdY.jpg
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July 7, 2020 8:06am
- Two bob
  
  Facts like that are guna upset the sheeple.
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:37am
- Raphael
  
  The Black Death (bubonic plague) was truly terrible. People who were healthy in the morning would get it and be dead by evening.
  While we’re quibbling over how devastating 1-2% death rate is (of those infected) the Black Death wiped out over 60% of the population (which means the death rate would have been around 70%)
  
  Shad Brooks (of the Shadaversity Youtube channel) did a rather good (if emotional at times when thinking of how it would have been if his own family) video on the topic
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TGObcfp61M
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:44am
  - Lance
    
    There was a rather interesting doco a while back that was examining the Black Death plague and the strong suspicion, based on accounts of symptoms from that era, was that it wasn’t actually Bubonic plague, but a form of hemeralgic fever similar to Ebola.
    It came up out of Africa as well.
    The point being, if they don’t know what it was, maybe it might come back?
    
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    July 7, 2020 9:47am
    - SB2
      
      [Deleted – cease your trolling. Mod.]
      
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      July 7, 2020 10:11am
      - Batman
        
        It came from Asia, just FYI for Lance and anyone else trying to pull the Africa line.
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:55am
      - Lance
        
        @Batman… the fuck?
        
        These senior researchers traced the hemeralgic fever from Africa based on actual accounts from that era.
        But hey, one shouldn’t look at possibilities, we are all smug in our never changing picture of history /sarc/
        
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        July 7, 2020 11:40am
    - tf78
      
      After my sons were diagnosed with Hemochromatosis we found that people that suffered from that were the ones who survived the plague. Might need to get some iron tablets.
      
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      July 7, 2020 10:32am
    - rangitoto
      
      I thought it had been identified as Yersinia Pestis. Same cause as the Plague of Justinian. Either that or they had angered Apollo like the Achaeans did in the Iliad. All would have been ok if they sacrificed a goat or two and released the daughters of any of Apollo’s priests.
      
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      July 7, 2020 2:41pm
  - Fletch
    
    The bubonic plague is back again – in China…
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/07/city-in-china-s-inner-mongolia-warns-after-suspected-bubonic-plague-case.html
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:31am
    - Two bob
      
      banned eating bats but not rats…
      
      time the world put the whole of china into quarantine and isolate its trade politics and disease.
      
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      July 7, 2020 11:23am
- theoldbloke
  
  The chart just a wee(big) bit out of date.!!!!!
  
  It says Covid deaths 43,000
  It will be a lot more than 600,000 (todays numbers 520,000)
  
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  July 7, 2020 1:53pm
  - cmm
    
    Sure, but who cares. 600,000 is still a tiny number. That’s approx 85 per million. Tiny.
    
    Compare that to the Spanish Flu that killed 26,000 per million. That’s 300x as many.
    
    Yearly motor vehicle deaths are twice what CV19 deaths are – this year and every year. How many people are losing their mind over motor vehicle deaths? How many borders and economies shut down for that?
    
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    July 7, 2020 2:37pm
- cmm
  
  And this is absolute numbers – not the number that really matters which is deaths per million.
  
  When Spanish flu killed off 40 to 50 million people in 1918-1920 there were less than 2 billion people in the world. Now there are almost 8 billion. 4 times as many.
  
  Scaled to today’s population the Spanish flu would have killed approx 180 million people.
  
  That makes the Spanish Flu approx 300 times as deadly as CV19.
  
  Here in NZ, Spanish Flu killed 9000 people out of 1 million, equivalent to approx 45,000 today. That was far higher than the world average and still less than 1% of the population got killed.
  
  Still, somehow, they managed to survive that without completely losing the plot.
  
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  July 7, 2020 2:30pm
Scott

Sky news First edition this morning is still running with the story that Nascar driver Bubba Watson was the victim of a hate crime when a noose was found in his garage. Pres Trump has just tweeted that Watson should apologise for the hoax.
Sky news believes Watson and reports that Trump is wrong.

Please look at the story I’ve linked to. Notice the tiny size of the noose. Notice that it is a pull rope for the garage door. It’s been there since 2019, long before Watson was allocated the garage.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/nascar-finally-releases-photo-noose-found-bubba-wallaces-garage-stall-noosegate/

Firstly can you wonder why the media is called fake news?

Secondly every story must be an indictment of Pres Trump.

Thirdly there isn’t enough actual racism to justify and sustain the level of outrage from the left. That’s why more “racism” has to be manufactured.

We are being taken in people. The whole George Floyd incident has been an excuse for the left to impose their agenda which we are seeing unfold before our eyes.
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July 7, 2020 8:11am
- Gravelroad
  
  I thought Bubba Watson was a pro golfer.
  Has he taken up car racing recently?
  A few on here could do with a course on how to proof read.
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:23am
  - Scott
    
    Gravel – quite right. Bubba Wallace, not Watson. ?
    
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    July 7, 2020 9:40am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Trumpy just likes winding them up 😀
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcPruN5WoAA27c_?format=jpg&name=900×900
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:24am
- emmess
  
  Firstly can you wonder why the media is called fake news?
  
  No it’s Fake Noose
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:31am
- All_on_Red
  
  If Trump shut up for a week he’d probably rise 2% in the Polls
  I get the ‘battle’ he is engaged in but sometimes it’s too much
  He’s his own worst enemy
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:36am
  - Two bob
    
    he f**ks with the media more then they do to him.
    
    if the media just played uneditited uncut trump there would be very little issue.
    
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    July 7, 2020 8:40am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Have you ever tried to shut a narcasstic politician or would be politician up?
    
    Kanye West for POTUS anyone?
    
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    July 7, 2020 8:52am
    - Two bob
      
      we’re trying hard but jacinda keeps talking.
      
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      July 7, 2020 11:25am
      - Nickc2
        
        I think Alan Jones (Aust) coined a great phrase wrt Cindy Ardern: “put a sock in it”. Not sure if it shut her up though.
        
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        July 7, 2020 12:52pm
- Blackface Twin Reverb
  
  Bubba Watson is a Golfer, not a Race Card Driver.
  You mean Bubba Wallace.
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:38am
  - Inandout
    
    BTR, then there is ‘bubba’ in the next cell.
    
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    July 7, 2020 9:38am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  So you are saying this is an excuse for the death of George Floyd, Scott? Pathetic.
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:43am
  - Raphael
    
    No. Scott is saying, and it’s a sentiment being expressed by a number of black leaders in the US, that the upset at the death of Floyd has been hijacked by the far left.
    
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    July 7, 2020 8:46am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      A very large man, a very violent man, who was a career criminal and a nasty piece of work, who pointed guns at pregnant women, passed fake currency, and swallowed his own stash when he was arrested.
      
      The Autopsy result had enough fentanyl in him to be a kill dose.
      
      The cop also looks to be a scumbag, and they knew each other working security at a dodgy nightclub (speculated on as the source of the counterfeit cash)
      
      Probably excessive force, possibly a deliberate hit.
      Not a reason for mass riots and killings (all black on black) and the destruction of hundreds of millions of dollars of property – including all the food stores and chemists in a black neighbourhood. Think you have seen urban blight yet – just watch, those neighbourhoods are fucked.
      
      Why were so many white antifa involved in leading the riots, the arson and the looting?
      
      Where did all those pre-positioned pallets of bricks come from?
      
      This was a staged coup, and for 48 hours it was pretty messy.
      
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      July 7, 2020 9:34am
    - kloyd0306
      
      Give Brian a break. It must be difficult to understand the real world when one’s TV can only pick up TV1 and CNN.
      
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      July 7, 2020 10:39am
      - Batman
        
        The same can be said of people sucked into the Fox echo chamber / reality distortion field.
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:53am
      - Batman
        
        Gosh, someone is sensitive! Downticked by a snowflake in under a minute!
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:56am
      - Raphael
        
        @Batman, the closest I’ve ever coming to watching Fox is Simpsons episodes.
        
        What I do tend to do is listen to what various individuals are actually saying as opposed to what they are reported as saying, and I wait until reported events have got some more information that what those chasing the first headline say.
        
        And I remember the fact that journalists are often wrong on an issue I know the details about, so don’t take their word on other issues.
        
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        July 7, 2020 5:12pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Someone who is high on fentanyl is already risking their mortality.
    
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    July 7, 2020 9:18am
- Frank Hematuria
  
  On the one hand, I know Gateway Pundit is not the most reliable source but at least they got the guy’s name right. On the other, I can see how a guy with nerves of steel who drives around and around in circles at several hundred kilometres per hour jampacked close to 20 or more others doing the same thing would be truly terrified by the sight of that door opener. [sarc]
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:59am
  - Batman
    
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    His team reported it, not him.
    
    There’s no use for a moose in this context. Even if not intended for Bubba specifically, the which I think it wasn’t, it’s still a rank reminder of the old south which lives on within parts of NASCAR and the Trump base.
    
    Trumpy is openly courting and hugging that racist and traitorous part of his base. A sad old man.
    
    (Yes I know it’s the Guardian but it was he first result)
    “‘The noose was real’: Nascar releases photo from Bubba Wallace’s garage | Nascar | The Guardian” https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jun/25/nascar-noose-photo-talladega-bubba-wallace
    
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    July 7, 2020 9:06am
    - Tall Man
      
      Ever tied a loop in a rope?
      
      Two effective methods that guarantee the loop won’t get smaller, hangman knot and splicing/braiding.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD_-3pGiRYE
      
      https://www.101knots.com/hangmans-knot-noose.html
      
      Most other knots slip. You probably use a variant of it to tie your hook on.
      
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      July 7, 2020 9:18am
      - Batman
        
        As it happens TM, I have spent over two decades on the sea (not all the time obviously) since I was a child. So I’m rather a dab hand with a length of line.
        
        I am personally a fan of using a half-hitch with a bowline at the bottom for such a situation.
        
        Most certainly not a noose ?
        
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        July 7, 2020 9:57am
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        I’ve been in the Navy for nearly 35 years, in the cadets for 6 years before that. I know my knots.
        
        A hangman’s knot is designed to slip in order to fit snugly around the neck. To put a fixed eye in the end of a rope, you can do an eye splice or tie a bowline.
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:03am
      - Batman
        
        Precisely, good sir.
        
        Thanks for your 35 years of service, by the way!
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:18am
      - G152
        
        Yu forgot my favourite knot.
        The bowline
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:14am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        No. Hangman knots are designed to slip. This was not a noose.
        
        On the other hand, fascinating to see Batman fully invested in his “fake but accurate” story. Almost ready to graduate from KB moderation to a fulltime gig at Stuff?
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:23am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        If you only learn to tie one other knot than that used for ones laces, it is a bowline.
        
        Single handed in a crashing sea is the test but, with the wet comforting knowledge, it will hold
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:32am
      - SGA
        
        Ever tied a loop in a rope?
        Two effective methods that guarantee the loop won’t get smaller, hangman knot and splicing/braiding.
        
        “the loop won’t get smaller”
        I’m not sure what you mean. Once a hangman’s noose is tied, the loop isn’t a fixed length – the loop can get smaller. I watched your video just in case the way I tie the knot is wrong – same knot, and the guy shows how easy it is for the loop to move. Maybe I’ve misunderstood what you mean.
        
        Add: I see others have said simlar now.
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:47am
      - Tall Man
        
        Apologies, this is the one.
        
        https://www.pinterest.nz/pin/661818107725201016/
        
        https://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/kreh-loop
        
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        July 7, 2020 2:16pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You got it Batman, a bowline. Easy to do (the rabbit comes out of the hole, goes around the tree, then back down the hole)
        Great for easy undoing, especially if the rope is wet and cold
        
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        July 7, 2020 3:13pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      For God’ sake Batman, get a grip. It was a loop in a pull cord on the bloody garage door. The other garage doors have them too.
      
      Its a rank reminder that some people have over-active imaginations, and are desperate to create melodrama.
      
      Have you never seen a pull cord before? Or is your hood and burning cross obstructing your vision?
      
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      July 7, 2020 9:28am
      - Batman
        
        Or is it your lack of knowledge of knots?
        
        It’s a noose, at a NASCAR track, in the south.
        
        Even if entirely unintentional by a random garage maintenance person, you can’t blame the team for reporting it.
        
        I am entirely unsurprised that having claim that Trump is anything but racist for five years, the Trump cucks are of course totally on board with his increasingly race-based campaign. It is, after all, the underlying message of MAGA.
        
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        July 7, 2020 9:36am
      - Pharmachick
        
        I’m with Batman on this one. I work with horses and we avoid and and all loops in rope for a different reason (because if the horse bolts and you can’t get out of the loop in time; you lose badly). The better strategy is a splice braid at the end of the rope which also does not slip and makes for a strong handle. Given the context and history of things that even look like a noose in the South, would have been better to go with an alternative door closer.
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:28am
      - Batman
        
        @pharma yeah that’s a very good point.
        
        I did think shortly after posting that ideally I would splice a more permanent line onto the door and then a handle at the bottom!
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:57am
      - Pharmachick
        
        Interesting, looks like boaties use the braid but finish with a loop? We braid the loop out of the line, I’ve always called it a splice braid but looks like (Uncle Google) its also called a “crown knot”
        
        http://igkt-solent.co.uk/spiral-crown-knot/
        
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        July 7, 2020 11:05am
      - fisho
        
        Pathetic, and a great example of the terminally outraged jumping the gun before they have all the facts.
        Yes it was a noose, it’d been there for a long time so obviously not targeted at Wallace. Plenty of people have tied one before, out of boredom or curiosity in most cases, not because they were a racist. Nooses have killed lots of people of all colours and creeds over the years.
        Stop and take a breath folks, it’ll do you some good.
        
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        July 7, 2020 12:00pm
    - cmm
      
      His team reported it, but he still made huge hay out of it.
      
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      July 7, 2020 2:40pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Does not open garage doors – that is for the peasants
        
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        July 7, 2020 3:17pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  A very very small noose, almost exactly the same size as a pull cord loop. Just like all the other garage doors have.
  
  Pathetic. And a grown man whined about this.
  
  If I was his team owner, that useless prick would be gone by lunchtime ™ its not as if he has ever won anything anyway, just making up the numbers.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:25am
  - Batman
    
    The team complained, not him. Learn to read FFS.
    
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    July 7, 2020 9:51am
    - Jimmy White
      
      But who appeared on all the TV shows and made countless press conferences.
      
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      July 7, 2020 10:10am
      - Batman
        
        I think you’re mixing up the general support for Wallace and the car livery change, and associated media coverage, and the noose incident which came a few days later.
        
        If Wallace felt it was an opportunity to talk about race and cleaning up NASCAR, good on him. It’s long overdue to cleanse the racist element.
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:16am
      - cmm
        
        Batman If there is a legitimate grievance about race then they can use real examples.
        
        Setting up fake examples to prove their point does nobody any good.
        
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        July 7, 2020 2:42pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      And he exploited it. he went on Telly and made a big production. He could have said, its bollox, don’t get your knickers in a twist. But he didn’t. He decided to make a payday out of it.
      
      Some of us can read.
      
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      July 7, 2020 10:19am
      - Batman
        
        Nice, applying your views to the experience of an African American man whom you don’t know and have no idea what it’s like to live his life.
        
        He could have said it was bollocks but it’s not. You want it to be bollocks so you can go back to your comfortable world view where you don’t have to confront these issues. Harden up.
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:22am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Quite right Mr Batman, I am fully invested in pull-cords as pullcords.
        
        Thank you for clarifying my motives for me. Most helpful. I had no idea you were African American.
        Should I have guessed from the jumping to wild conclusions?
        
        Have you burned down a Countdown to demonstrate your justifiable commitment to addressing systemic racism yet?
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:31am
      - Batman
        
        Deflect, divert, straw man.
        
        Luckily your views are increasingly outdated and irrelevant in today’s world, Nigel.
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:59am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      The team complained because they thought it would be so distressing to Wallace they wanted it gone before he arrived.
      
      The issue is simply one of timing, and Wallace’s actions ever since then tell the true story. You accused others on here of being a snowflake (ironically, for downticking a comment of yours that was pretty snowflakey). I’d suggest Wallace displays more snowflake attributes than most.
      
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      July 7, 2020 3:58pm
- Geoffs
  
  And race venues screen all garages before race weekend for listening/spying devices so they would have found it before Wallace was allocated the garage. NASCAR is my favorite sport but Wallace’s actions have soured my support.
  
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  July 7, 2020 12:02pm
  - chukar
    
    For the sake of offending no one ( except some of the elderly )
    
    How about a GRANNY knot?
    
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    July 7, 2020 1:14pm
- doggone7
  
  Why would every story be an indictment of Pres Trump?
  
  I mean you probably saw him over the weekend building up the constitution and the sanctity of it. He’s the guy who proclaimed not long back that parts of it are ‘hoax.’
  
  You can’t act like an idiot so often and then expect to be taken seriously.
  
  Tell us how you know there isn’t enough actual racism to justify and sustain the level of outrage?
  
  Tell us about your experience of living the life of a non-white person in the US.
  
  If 100 million of the US population is not ‘white’ what amount of ‘actual racism to justify and sustain outrage’ is acceptable?
  
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  July 7, 2020 12:33pm
  - theoldbloke
    
    So black lives matter and all the current “”excitement”” is focused on Blacks(12.7%)
    
    Dont see Latinos rampaginging in the streets or complaining in the media. (17.6%)
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity
    
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    July 7, 2020 2:13pm
Justitia

COVID 19, a virulent new swine flu and now the Black Death. Not to mention aggressive bullying behaviour towards its neighbours. Time for an international cordon sanitaire around China?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12345996
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July 7, 2020 8:11am
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  Bubonic plague (Black Death) is reasonably common in China-a few cases every few years or so, and these days is treated with common antibiotics. It is transmitted largely by Marmots who are carriers. Chinese peasants eat the meat, often raw, for its supposed health giving properties. Which is cultural and also somewhat ironic!
  
  G4 is a genetic variant of H1N1, which isn’t unusual. Yet they are claiming no evidence of human to human transmission which would be expected with a genetic variant of H1N1. It would also be expected that immunity to the original H1N1 might not provide immunity (nor vaccination to H1N1 – which is in the annual flu vaccine).
  
  On top if that 4.4% of the general population in China has been infected – that’s 6 million people. Pigs are common in China, but it is doubtful all of those people were infected directly from pigs, and the fact that 10.4% of pig workers are infected (being 2.5x the general population) can arise as a higher % for many reasons including socioeconomic and general hygiene, rather than direct transmission from pigs.
  
  It is likely it’s not that serious an illness – no different to flu or less severe – as it’s not been picked up until now, and probably wouldn’t have been were it not for the fact that the Chinese are doing all kinds of viral screening in the population currently.
  
  So doubtful it’s going to be of huge pandemic consequence. It’s more likely to be a natural variant of the H1N1 we already have, and next season that will be in our flu vaccines to.
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:30am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Not for that reason, no. Bubonic plague is already endemic to the US and other countries outside China. These days it is readily treatable and isn’t transmitted directly between humans.
  
  Did the Herald tell you any of that?
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:37am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Were waiting for the Princess a further lockdown for indoctrination in approved lifestyles. The mention of bubonic plague should be sufficient.
    
    People have already been heard singing, what was once NZ’s National Anthem, with Jacinda substituted for the real Queen.
    
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    July 7, 2020 9:23am
- NoCash
  
  The plague still exists even in the US today.
  https://abcnews.go.com/Health/plague-exists-now-us/story?id=55860883
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Probably be more sensible to avoid Madagascar if it’s the plague you’re bothered about.
  
  https://www.cdc.gov/plague/maps/index.html#:~:text=Over%2080%25%20of%20United%20States,in%20people%20ages%2012%E2%80%9345.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:15am
- RJ
  
  Although it may appear Covid did not come from China
  
  The coronavirus may have been lying dormant across the world until emerging under favourable environmental conditions, rather than originating in China, an expert has claimed.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:49am
  - Justitia
    
    @RJ: this piece of pure disinformation also appeared in a fuller version in yesterday’s Telegraph:https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-element-cse&cx=007858181675780794431:gk9fbflvgoa&q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/05/covid-19-may-not-have-originated-china-elsewhere-emerged-asia/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjYwOPZ1rnqAhUHwzgGHftkDTYQFjABegQICRAC&usg=AOvVaw2R1ha1ZVyuYNzKDlK5Fg8F
    
    Among other things it is suggested by the researcher that the Spanish Flu broke out in Western Samoa in late 1918 somehow spontaneously because “Samoa had no communication with the outside world.” As we all know the Spanish Flu was brought to Western Samoa in November 1918 by the vessel SS Talune whose infected passengers were allowed to land by the New Zealand authorities. Helen Clark apologised for this on our behalf in 2002. The article is full of holes. The CCP’s United Front information section needs to try harder. PS Oxford receives an awful amount of funding from China.
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:38am
- Pharmachick
  
  There’s multiple antibiotics very effective for this – fluoroquinolones, tetracyclines and aminoglycosides off the top of my head.
  
  The Western and Southwestern US have the odd case each year, often spread by prairie dogs.
  
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  July 7, 2020 10:37am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    And it crops up lots in Northern China/Mongolia because the feckers get sick of sheep and goats and chow down on the Marmots that carry it.
    
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    July 7, 2020 12:31pm
- Two bob
  
  california shithole also had a case or 2 last year I believe.
  
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  July 7, 2020 11:27am
I remember when

Recreational Fishing:
Approx 13%, about 650,000 people, are considered to be recreational fishers.
In 2017-18 they caught an estimated 7 million fish and 3.9 million shellfish.
About half of the recreational fishing occurs between the tip of Northland and East Cape. The number of estimated fishing trips in 2017-18 was 2 million.
In the Hauraki Gulf the snapper catch has tripled in the last 30 years while the kahawai catch has more than quadrupled.
With the advent of 4WD vehicles there is greater access to isolated areas, recreational vessels have increased and beach launched fishing torpedoes with kilometres of line have increased fishing pressure.
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July 7, 2020 8:11am
- Two bob
  
  If it wasnt deemed racist it would be interesting to see the ethnic breakdown of those stats.
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:43am
  - fernglas
    
    Why?
    
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    July 7, 2020 9:16am
- MCos
  
  My father and his father before him were recreational salmon fishers at the mouth of the Rangitata. Plus we used to go whitebaiting along there when I was a kid.
  Our family had about four huts out there and we spent every summer holiday there. No electricity in the early days, no hot water, no fridge, hurricane light . . . and all the salmon you could possibly eat plus some whitebait patties.
  The limit was six a day and the kahawai were thrown back.
  Now due to a number of factors the golden days are over and the salmon are nearly gone.
  The limit is one.
  There are a lot of stories about fishing down there.
  One I heard was of an old codger who had a fish his line when he fell down dead from a heart attack.
  The fish were running so his mates pulled him up on the shingle beach away from the surf, put his hat over his face and went back fishing. One bloke landed his fish. Later they took him & the fish back to his wife at their hut.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:04am
  - RF
    
    Small world.
    
    Years ago a mate who was a keen Salmon fisherman borrowed my US Deep Freeze jacket to wear fishing down at the Rangitata Mouth. It was a cold day and he had left his jacket behind.
    
    Yes… an old guy who was fishing dropped dead landing a salmon. He was pulled up on the shingle while friends landed the fish. My jacket was used to cover his body while the Police were called and family notified.
    
    Sounds a similar incident.
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:26am
Tricati

Something doesn’t feel right over the lack of urgency to open up travel to the Pacific Islands, especially those that never had Covid 19. Could it be the government is looking to ‘trap’ people’s holiday expenditure too within NZ, or is it to restrict re-entry quarantine requirements.
With 3400 residents returning this week, and a hotel in Christchurch cancelling existing bookings to allow government to have the whole hotel until December, there are a number of mixed messages with this quarantine shambles.
Why would you book a holiday in NZ if your accommodation could be cancelled to absorb further returnees given the number still coming.
The Southland National MP who questioned the use of hotels in his region was correct in raising the point, as it appears Woods was trying to set these up under the radar. Yet with effective deflection in calling him a racist, Woods changed the narrative ably assisted by the MSM and a woke Muller.
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July 7, 2020 8:16am
- cas
  
  And add to the congestion the number of motels housing homeless people or people on the state housing waiting list. I have heard of one town which is due to host a major sporting tournament next year has a lack of accommodation for visitors owing to the motels being full of those needing housing support.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:05am
- KevO'Brien
  
  After previous experience of measles etc. sovereign Pacific nations may well be be very reluctant to have any visitors from NZ.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:27am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Indeed. And why would you book a holiday into a hotel or motel that might be full of either quarantined people or worse, – the un-homeable.
  
  No thanks.
  
  Interesting however that the compassionate government that campaigned against scumbag landlords is now putting up families in motels because all the landlords have buggered off!
  
  Karma? Or yet another example of when Feelz instead of Brainz runs policy.
  
  …. Which for this lot are always “unexpected”.
  
  Who needs a hug?
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:51am
- tf78
  
  Tricati- I agree – Or is there more community transmission in NZ than they are admitting – Jacinda said she would never forgive herself if the Islands got infected.
  
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  July 7, 2020 10:44am
Simon

Was David Clark fired / cancelled for speaking the truth about Bloomfield?

Probably
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July 7, 2020 8:17am
lifesgood

Is there a register of hotels and motels that house the homeless and the covid infected? If not there should be. I want to do some touring around NZ and don’t want to stay anywhere that houses either.
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July 7, 2020 8:17am
- fernglas
  
  As far as managed isolation facilities are concerned, they are used only for that purpose, so you should be safe from becoming the one in 5 million who is the next Covid death, but as far as the homeless are concerned, you’re on your own. Common signs to look out for would be warehouse trackpants on the clothesline, fifteen or sixteen children playing on the lawn, and large purple cars up on blocks in the driveway.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:21am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Seems if you make enquiries about where to score a bag of meth, you’ll locate the “homeless” motels within 15 minutes.
  
  “I could confidently say to you that you could drop me off in any town or city in this country, give me 15 minutes, and I will bring you back a bag,”
  
  Cam reckons Government-subsidised motels for the homeless have turned into drug supermarkets.
  
  “If you go to any Government-sponsored motel and pick the room that’s got the loudest music at the latest time.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/07/new-zealand-s-meth-addiction-how-this-big-problem-is-affecting-every-small-town.html
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:23am
- theoldbloke
  
  Try AirBNB for your travels. They wont be housing homelss or Covid19 suspects
  
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  July 7, 2020 2:17pm
Happychappy

If anyone thought Jamie Lee Ross had a brain there should no doubt now as he joins the anti vaxxers group and sets a petition in motion.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/8things/jami-lee-ross-pandering-to-anti-vaxxers.
You only have to look at the Measle epidemic and the dozens of children that died from a disease exported from NZ
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July 7, 2020 8:19am
- MCos
  
  He’s not an anti-vaxxer. He’s against compulsory vaccination, which it isn’t anyway.
  It’s an age old political trick. Invent a problem that doesn’t exist and campaign against it.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:12am
- Ruahine
  
  He needs every vote he can get.
  June 10th has passed no news of his rescheduled day with the Courts yet.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:58am
I remember when

“Water Resilience”. 7 Nov 2019 Fluence News Team”
Many interpret it not just as the ability to bounce back, but also, the ability to adapt systems to deal with future stress.”
However, it is worth questioning whether ‘resilience’ has simply joined the long list of intuitively appealing yet stubbornly intangible concepts (such as sustainability)” Dr Heather Smith, Cranfield University UK
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July 7, 2020 8:26am
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I see the serial downticker is out & about early. ladies and gentlemen, a challenge, let’s give the downticker something to aim for: I hereby announce I’m collecting downticks for this post, looking for a record here! Not off to good start though as I can’t downtick myself. So I’m relying on you all 🙂
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July 7, 2020 8:29am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  We’ve cracked the big 3-0 downticks! Excellent support, thank y’all!
  
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  July 7, 2020 1:45pm
Maggie Pie

I found this a bit spooky. …
Bill Gates predicted the Coronavirus Pandemic 5 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI
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July 7, 2020 8:29am
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  Not really, Epidemiologists have been predicting it for 20 years or more. It’s been a constant refrain through the WHO and the OIE (World Animal Health Organisation).
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:33am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Link?
    
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    July 7, 2020 8:59am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      WHO issued its 1st guidelines on Pandemic influenza in 1999
      https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/89/7/11-086173.pdf?ua=1
      
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      July 7, 2020 9:28am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        I’ve got no idea.
        
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        July 7, 2020 9:30am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      https://doc.oie.int/seam/resource/directMedia/8CB7AbIlN9PaGRCLSu_FmrTnatnjBACy?binaryFileId=7274&cid=16036
      
      https://doc.oie.int/seam/resource/directMedia/8CB7AbIlN9PaGRCLSu_FmtqgNQRQ1AyP?binaryFileId=7230&cid=24577
      
      Hopefully these open, I couldn’t get them to on my phone. There are lots of papers on the OIE website; these are just two. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has been involved with funding pandemic preparedness research papers as a partner with OIE and WHO for years. Hence his “prediction”.
      
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      July 7, 2020 11:54am
MCos

It was my birthday yesterday and by a stroke of good luck I was given a copy of Pull No Punches.
The good luck was it came with an exchange card so I can swap it for something else, like Winston Peters, My Part in His Downfall.
Just kidding. I’ll swap it for Winston Peters, His Part In My Victory
Just kidding. I’ll read Judith Collins book despite the poor review by Steve Braunias.
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July 7, 2020 8:31am
- lifesgood
  
  Braunias suffers from writer’s jealousy. He can be nasty if he thinks there’s competition.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:47am
  - sooty
    
    I thought he was nasty all the time!
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:14am
Akarak

The opening theme from ‘Rawhide’ as adapted by Labour:

Let’s keep movin’, movin’, movin’
Though they’re disapprovin’
Keep them rich pricks movin’, rawhide
Don’t try to understand ’em
Jercinda’s gonnal hand ‘em
Three more years hard Labour, countrywide
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July 7, 2020 8:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

Throwing money down a drain
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/420654/critic-says-govt-s-freshwater-package-doesn-t-address-the-problem-pollution
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July 7, 2020 8:35am
- Albert_Ross
  
  In fairness, that is Mike Joy saying what Mike Joy always says. No matter what any Government does to try to address water quality, no matter how crippling the economic burden, it will never be good enough for him; and he can be relied on to say so loud and clear, whatever party is in power.
  
  Wonder why the Government doesn’t use on him, the arsenal of weapons that they have available to get climate scientists to say only what the Government wants them to say?
  
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  July 7, 2020 10:35am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh come on…
    He’s dead right, when he argues that it is just window dressing…
    
    A few trees planted around Lake Horowhenua are going to do nothing when the Council still has waste-water and sewage overflows pouring into the lake.
    
    The entire catchment needs to be looked at for any long-term success.
    
    I wouldn’t go as far as banning/removing intensive horticulture from the area, but an integrated approach to controlling nutrient & sediment runoff is needed along the entire drainage system.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12136892
    
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    July 7, 2020 11:23am
- hullkiwi
  
  As I pointed out yesterday. Spend a fortune cleaning up the Kaipara, meanwhile Auckland Council are ok for Waste Management to develop a rubbish tip in the Dome Valley. A beautiful valley from which all rivers feed into the Kaipara.
  
  I suppose the idea of cleaning up the Kaipara was a good idea when it was floated past Jacinda and her speech writer!
  
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  July 7, 2020 10:51am
Vallager

Fascinated to see some of the most highly paid sportspeople in the world, some taking a knee and other wearing shirts with the legend End Racism on.

I am all in favour of ending racism, but what scares me is who gets to define exactly what racism is?
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July 7, 2020 8:39am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Lewis Hamilton, by the sounds of it.
  
  Interestingly though, when the majority of F1 drivers “took a knee” at the weekend (and there were six drivers who didn’t), they were all still taller than Bernie Ecclestone!
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:36am
  - sooty
    
    But at 94 Bernie just had another baby to a young thing.
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:16am
    - Nickc2
      
      It’s not the vintage of the vehicle, it’s what’s under the bonnet that counts. Oh, plus a good dose of eye candy.
      
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      July 7, 2020 11:08am
      - Tall Man
        
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aaktsSampdY
        
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        July 7, 2020 11:21am
      - Nickc2
        
        Tall Man @ 11:21AM
        
        Agree, every little bit helps.
        
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        July 7, 2020 12:48pm
- Colville
  
  I am yet to be convinced that racisim isnt enterly natural and bred into us.
  
  If you lived in a quiet little village in York circa 900AD and you saw a bunch of strapping red head six footed fellas (with axes and shields) heading you to your village…you might say “I dont think them dudes are from around here” … and that “racisim” might just save your life as you hid in the trees for a few days rather than going down and offering them a cuppa tea. (tea wasnt in england for another 800 years 🙂 )
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I am yet to be convinced that racisim isnt enterly natural and bred into us.
    
    Take your toddler to a multi-cultural creche and you’ll soon see that little kids are colour-blind, but perhaps not gender -indifferent.
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:06am
  - Swifty
    
    Fear and mistrust of those not in our kin group has been with us for millions of years and for very good reasons.
    
    You’ll notice it present right throughout the animal kingdom, of which we’re part.
    
    That doesn’t mean though that we must let that instinct rule our lives in modern times.
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:10am
    - Phronesis
      
      You are correct but it’s still an important point to make when the modern narrative is that racism was literally invented by white people and is unique to white people. Racism was around long before white people even existed. I doubt I could even tell a Tutsi from a Hutu but they obviously could and that didn’t end well.
      
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      July 7, 2020 1:38pm
      - Swifty
        
        I totally agree.
        
        Well said.
        
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        July 7, 2020 1:57pm
Maggie Pie

Posted without comment 🙁

From ‘The Tennessee Gazette’, 3 October, 1804.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcOilHIWAAAduWm?format=jpg&name=medium
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July 7, 2020 8:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now that wouldn’t be Andrew Jackson, Founder of the Democratic Party, USA, would it?
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:48am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Who sought to act as the representative of the ‘common man’.
    
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    July 7, 2020 9:57am
  - SB2
    
    MW, thats right but a Democrat party that has fundamentally changed from the bad old Dixiecrat days.
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:20am
    - Fletch
      
      Yeh, no they haven’t. Especially Joe “if you vote for Trump and not me, you ain’t black” Biden.
      
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      July 7, 2020 10:45am
- Albert_Ross
  
  So are people today responsible for what their forebears did, said and thought hundreds of years ago, or not?
  
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  July 7, 2020 10:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m not…
    
    I’ve no idea what my Grandparents thought or believed…and probably have just a vague inkling into the beliefs of my parents.
    
    Further back, I’ve visited the birthplaces of each of my grandparents and the grave sites of maternal and paternal great-grandparents and really am none the
    wiser as to the individual nature of those folks.
    
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    July 7, 2020 11:34am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Not.
    
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    July 7, 2020 12:14pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not, and I have copped a lot of flack over the years just because of my surname. They are missing more teeth than I am LOL!
    
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    July 7, 2020 3:32pm
Yvette

National racism?
The minister in charge of quarantine and isolation facilities Megan Woods has labelled a National MP’s comments about New Zealanders returning from Asia as disgraceful and racist.
In a press release, Clutha-Southland MP Hamish Walker said up to 11,000 people arriving from overseas could be destined for quarantine in the south without any consultation with the community.

“It’s absolutely disgraceful that the community hasn’t been consulted on this. These people are possibly heading for Dunedin, Invercargill and Queenstown from India, Pakistan and Korea,” he said.

Woods and Air Commodore Digby Webb will visit the two locations next week as they investigate their feasibility and speak with stakeholders.
Walker said he had already had many calls, texts and emails from residents who did not want people in quarantine in Queenstown.
“I know for a fact Queenstown does not have sufficient personal protective equipment (PPE) to undertake this.”

The other fact, I wonder, is does Dunedin, Invercargill and Queenstown have the hotel / motel capacity to accomodate 11,000 in any one 14 day period, and could that many people be returning New Zealand citizens and permanent residents from three covid-19 hit countries .

Why was the number never questioned to perhaps indicate the validity of the information?

Or in saying “he is scaremongering and is frankly, being racist”, is Woods not the racist – declaring what someone believes to be fact to be racist, when it is not?
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July 7, 2020 8:47am
lifesgood

Air NZ has put a 3 week stop to bookings for NZers wanting to come home. About bloody time! The thousands flooding into the country is just ridiculous. They have chosen to live elsewhere and are simply using NZ as a bolthole at the tax payers expense. It’s about time they were charged for their isolation as well. This country is just haemorrhaging money.
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July 7, 2020 8:50am
- fernglas
  
  How on earth do you know who the returning people are? I have seen no stats as to how long they have been out of the country, why they are coming back, and whether they had any choice in the matter. In my isolation centre there was a couple of seamen who had finished contracts and were finally able to get off ships to their homes, several who had been away for family reasons (funerals, grandchildren) and got stuck when the flights were stopped, a number who had been away on holiday and got caught etc. Not many of them came back because they wanted to, but because they had to. Facts, of course, always get in the way of a good piece of ignorant prejudice.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:30am
  - lifesgood
    
    And I personally know of several friends of my sons, who have come from London after many years living there, because here is “safer”. They are working remotely and will go back as soon as the crisis is over. But of course me stating that is, in your mind, ignorant prejudice. You cannot by any stretch of the imagination say that all the many thousands coming in every week fall into the categories you have listed and the ones I know certainly don’t. Why should the tax payer fund them, they haven’t paid taxes here for pretty much all their working life.
    
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    July 7, 2020 9:55am
    - fernglas
      
      So you have heard of several people of the “many” thousands arriving each week (somewhere between 15-1800 average over the last three months) who are riding it out here and you extrapolate from that that every one that arrives is in the same category. I gave illustrations of a number of people who proved your narrative false, myself included. I certainly never suggested that everyone was the same as the people I observed. But for you to use several examples to reach a conclusion that applies to everybody may not be ignorant prejudice after all. Perhaps it’s just plain old stupidity. But of course, when you provide some facts to support your conclusion, I would be most happy to see them.
      
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      July 7, 2020 10:26am
      - lifesgood
        
        Of course the handful of people you spoke to give you the facts to state the reverse. I never said many thousands each week. 1500, t0 1800 a week over three months does add up to many thousands. The only error in my post was that I should have said “many” instead of “they”. But I guess my stupidity accounts for that, according to you.
        
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        July 7, 2020 10:50am
      - fernglas
        
        I quote from your comment. “all the many thousands coming in every week “. You should read what you wrote before blustering.
        And yes, if you don’t know the difference between “many” and “all (which is the context in which you used the word “they”), it doesn’t speak well for your ability to mount a rational argument or for the quality of the argument itself.
        
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        July 7, 2020 11:19am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I agree,
    There’ll be NZers in Melbourne who might be out of jobs (again).
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:11am
- kowtow
  
  How many “businesses” which are struggling for business are in a position to turn down business?
  
  Strange times .
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:32am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Woods is one of the few COL Ministers who even make articulate grade. That doesn’t include possessing sense.
  What international tourist coy would recommend Queenstown if it had been used as a quarantine centre? It will carry that association for years. Travel agents take on legal risks that the booked destination will cause no harm. It’s the beliefs in the minds of their clients that ultimately counts. One of them getting sick from COVID19 could potentially expose the agent to huge law suit costs. Some nations are very litigious.
  NZ may not notice that a while but I am sure the affects will be felt in Rotorua and in Queenstown if this folly is allowed.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:47am
  - MCos
    
    In that case the European tourism industry is well and truly fucked.
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:38am
- kwkiwigirl
  
  If Peters can make the government make any NZer returning home pay for their quarantine, if they haven’t paid any full time taxes over the last 5 years, then I would consider voting for his party.
  
  Enough is enough with the number of NZers scurrying back here having paid no taxes for many years and getting full quarantine board in luxury hotels.
  
  I know some people who are paying very little taxes here don’t find this an issue but in this household where we have paid a shipload of tax over the last 30 years it’s starting to annoy me greatly the free run these non tax paying overseas Nz passport holder, Nz born and overseas born, are getting from the Labour government with quarantine costs being fully met by the long standing Nz taxpayers.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:50am
  - hookerphil
    
    You must stop this worrying you – just say that all your taxes are only going towards Jacinda’s salary and not those who don’t deserve it.
    There, does that feel better. No, oh well.
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:06am
- theoldbloke
  
  Lifesgood. Talking shit again.
  
  I am one of many who got caught overseas and couldnt get back as flights were cancelled(flights just starting again). My return flight was booked for 28th March!!!
  
  In my case it was a retirement trip to Asia.
  
  Hat tip to AA Travel Insurance. (Underwriters The Allianz Partners) They have been fantastic in reasureing me that I will be covered for Covid19 and also automatically extending my insurance until I can get home.
  
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  July 7, 2020 2:29pm
oldpark

Think at the time we all breathed a sigh of relief when the Australian owned so called “Stuff ” was sold to NZ interests. Yes their daily news at the time was so far left they would infact emulate John Campbell a well know lefty .
Well lo and behold their daily news outlet is even worse than the Australian owned “Stuff”. Seems they or their new owners have a death wish for the fledgling newspaper .
They have learned nothing, sweet nothing from the disastrous fake news and one sided lefty propaganda of their predecessor. In fact they seem to have doubled down on their so called daily news that seems to need a lot more fact checks than even before . The only reason or perception is that they have been given a huge bucket of money to make sure “Auntie Cindy Ardern Control Freak” and her gang of sycophants will be back in Government at General Election minus their maverick mentor Winston Peters.
If that comes to pass it will be disaster upon disaster heaped upon the gullible NZs for at least Three more Years. Perhaps with a piece of luck by then the fake newspaper “Stuff” in accordance with Dumb -Post will be totally and financially “Stuffed” . Of course that would be poor consolation as what Three More Years with Miss Control Freak Ardern Commie/Socialist will visit on the Lifestyle and well being of Tax Paying NZs .
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July 7, 2020 8:55am
CaptainCompromise

I want to briefly mention a fundamental issue with the concept of a wealth tax. I’m not going to say whether I’m for or against more tax, this is simply a fundamental truth that no-one seems to pick up on.

The issue with wealth taxes is that value is subjective. If I earn $60,000, that is an objective value, there is no debating that, it is $60k, and can be taxed as such. Accountants can manoeuvre that $60k, but it is still $60k, and actual tax evasion is rare in this country.

If I have an asset, let’s say a ZB Commodore on runnout, I might pay $30k for it (after I’ve spent 15% on GST and anywhere between 0-33% on income tax, and payed tax to register it and payed tax to out fuel in it). However, it’s value is subjective. It might value it at $45k because that’s what they were worth before Holden fell over, someone else might only value it at $20k because they’re worried about the longevity of the car. A Ford fan might value it are $10k. It might sell for $26k on trademe but we don’t know that until we sell it, it might sell for $29k on a yard but we don’t know until we sell it, it might only sell for 23k on a yard because of the colour or the strange options it doesn’t have. The point is an assets don’t have fixed values, a value is a theoretical, subjective opinion. If validations were described like statistics were we’d have a range of values with a probability of certainty. Now of course we can get professional valuers in, but they have to then value every asset, and at the end of the day it is still only an opinion. And all of this transpires before the accountant gets exactly the same opportunities for tax avoidance as income.

Bottom line is income is an objective figure, value is an imaginary subjective opinion. You can’t accurately tax opinion.
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July 7, 2020 8:58am
- Frank Thomas
  
  You are dead right, For the tax to work your asset would have to be independently valued annually, not just houses, but every other asset you owned outright. Can you imagine the nightmare this would cause? It’s the same reason an annual capital gains tax wouldn’t work, unless you only paid it when your asset was sold. As it has been stated elsewhere, the very rich would be able to avoid the tax quite easily, it will be the average person who owns their house that would bear the brunt of it.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:29am
  - Paulus
    
    Should I start training to be an Independent Valuer so I can get in early when Ardern gets back in with the Greens, and the Greens force an Asset Tax (sorry Levy).
    
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    July 7, 2020 2:04pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Good move….
      specialise in something obscure like Stamps, Antiquarian Books, tSpoon collections…
      
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      July 7, 2020 3:24pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  You are correct. There are some out there advocating for annual CGT based in changes in net worth. Us Accountants already have sufficient work stacked up getting through the annual business tax returns season. Requiring appraisals and formal valuations of property is impractical. Even Land Tax didn’t work because of the time between valuations.
  
  The current property bright line test goes a long way towards preventing speculators avoiding income tax. A grey area still remains between income and capital based on the time the property was held. That could be adjusted by a rebate proportionally the the profit to be assessed over the 36 months after the first two years. A property sold at 2 years would be fully taxable, one sold after 37 months would be taxed on (60-37)/36 of the profit and after 60 months, zero profit.
  
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  July 7, 2020 10:08am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Addendum: the period of holding property could be fixed by reference to the dates it was released, passing over of keys etc., to the purchaser under the purchase contract and similarly to the buyer at the sales end.
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:54am
  - Paulus
    
    Land Tax is easy – annually take the Council Valuation and apply an Notional annual increase and the Local Council can become the collecting Agent for the Government – for a fee.
    
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    July 7, 2020 2:07pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Valuations lagged and likewise objections.
      Taxes on non-revenue producing land proved difficult to collect.
      What would happen if the Councils failed to collect?
      
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      July 7, 2020 5:52pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I expect the Greens would value your Holden Commodore at $50k (swiss rounding) as the tax would be higher.
  
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  July 7, 2020 10:09am
alloytoo

Socialists rarely create wealth, they therefore assume all wealth is stolen.

Having reached this conclusion they look for reasons to steal it themselves.
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July 7, 2020 9:04am
- Frank Thomas
  
  Yes, and by force if necessary.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:38am
  - TWEEDSE
    
    It is called tax.
    
    People pay tax much like they gamble. In the hope they will get more from the government than they pay the government.
    
    And like gambling, the house wins in the end.
    
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    July 7, 2020 12:24pm
tedbear

1600 coal fired power stations are being built worldwide.
Where is the sense of NZ importing coal and Australia exporting 80% of theirs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaS6lODsE6E
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July 7, 2020 9:05am
Tony Stuart

Why is Winston Peters being allowed to bring in a six-person team from the UK to handle NZ First’s campaigning for the upcoming election? Doesn’t the Foreign Minister know that our border is closed?

https://twitter.com/shaunbwallis/status/1280138896370786304

From the story:

“Mr Wigmore added: “I’m going to be on ground in New Zealand causing trouble – mischief, mayhem and guerrilla warfare in the New Zealand election – the bad boys are back.”

Has a visa exemption already been granted to these self-proclaimed “bad boys”, and if so, on what basis?

Of course, there may be a bright side. If these blokes were able to persuade Brits to vote to leave the EU, they may help Kiwis make up their minds and vote for NZ First to leave the New Zealand Parliament!
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July 7, 2020 9:10am
- alex Masterley
  
  More importantly where is the money comming from to pay for the team.
  
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  July 7, 2020 10:05am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Perhaps a refund from the SFO?
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:11am
  - backster
    
    “More importantly where is the money comming from to pay for the team.”
    
    Nothing to do with Winston he knows nothink. The NZ First Foundation a separate outfit that has nothing to do with a party except receive gratuities
    handles all that.
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:47am
  - Paulus
    
    Pro Bono !
    Of course payable overseas.
    
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    July 7, 2020 2:08pm
Maggie Pie

Called into New World on my way home this morning.
Watched while a woman bought ALL the Bluff Oysters.
I thought you shellfish bitch!
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July 7, 2020 9:17am
- lifesgood
  
  And a rich bitch, I would think.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:49am
  - G152
    
    Yup.
    She must have had to shell out for those oysters
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:20am
- RJ
  
  Poor Maggie, that is called a mirror, admit it, you watched yourself buying them all
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:54am
- TWEEDSE
  
  Thanks Maggie. Best laugh today.
  
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  July 7, 2020 12:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Err I buy some when it is $32, but when the price is reduces because the best by date is 2 days away I will by all I can at $17. Freeze them for the off season.
  Let’s face it, these oysters are the best in the World.
  2017 I was in Alaska. Up past Wasilla we stopped to have lunch at a place called Turkey Red. I had seafood chowder (nice) But I did notice NZ Bluff Oysters there. US$76 per doz, and they were selling@
  
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  July 7, 2020 3:42pm
Ruawai

Amazing the Government can rush through prisoner voting (even though they managed to bungle this as well) but takes an age to get around to vaping laws. The Labour ministers keep saying they are working on things but nothing ever transpires.
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July 7, 2020 9:21am
- alwyn
  
  What is even more amazing is that Her Majesty Queen Cindy claimed back in March that she was going to give up 20% of her salary for 6 months.
  Then she was forced to admit that she really hadn’t done it and that it was so terribly hard to arrange that it wouldn’t happen until about now, a mere 4 months later?
  Anyone have any idea whether it has just been slipped back again into the never-never? I wonder if any member of the Association of Cindy Lovers, also known as the MSM will dare to ask her.
  
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  July 7, 2020 10:07am
  - backster
    
    Maybe the Advisory group of retired |Trade Unionists and Jim Bolger haven;t reported back yet,
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:50am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    There was me thinking that there was nothing stopping anybody from making a voluntary donation any time they wanted to.
    
    I am sure that Cindy has done this, and only stipulated that she wanted her donations to be anonymous…..
    
    (snort!)
    
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    July 7, 2020 11:00am
    - Two bob
      
      I bet she hasnt donated 1 cent to any cause. bet she wasnt kind or help out anyone on a personel level during lockdown either.
      
      do as I say not as I do.
      
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      July 7, 2020 11:36am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Didn’t she pass someone a bottle opener in a Koru lounge just before lockdown?
        
        Truly a saint who walks among us!
        
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        July 7, 2020 12:40pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yea, a bit like forfeiting a %age of your pay eh Cindy? Can’t do it, the State Services pay system is not geared up to do it. YEA, RIGHT! Why not call the forfeiture a fine or tax owing? It will be gone in a flash. Labour pollies and BS are synonymous.
  
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  July 7, 2020 1:12pm
Right of way is Way of Right

I am completely baffled by the governments reluctance to even consider a bubble with the Pacific Islands. Tonga, Samoa and the Cook Islands are Covid free, and as much as Tourism supports New Zealand, it is the very life blood of our Pacific neighbours. We could be sending them tourism dollars now rather than aid money later, but no, Cindy wants her trans tasman bubble, and she’s fixated on it.

She claims that the logistics of keeping people re-entering the country separated from other returnees from countries with Covid cases makes this prohibitive. That’s crap. How about all flights to Pacific Island destinations originate and land in Hamilton? Domestic connection to other airports are still possible, and Hamilton is a reasonable driving distance from Auckland.

Or, another option. Ohakea Airbase opened a terminal a few years ago specifically designed to receive and process overseas arrivals. Imagine, returning to New Zealand and immediately being met by the organisation that will manage your quarantine. From there, it would be simplicity to allocate a small number of Air New Zealand planes (They’re not doing much at the moment!) to take new arrivals to their quarantine hotels. The flights can even be met on the tarmac where passengers can disembark straight on to the bus and delivered straight in to quarantine. This will ensure that all international and domestic terminals can be kept free and clear of any potential contamination. Auckland bound arrivals could even be landed at Whenuapai to ensure no possible cross contamination with domestic routes.

As for spending tourism dollars in New Zealand, all well and good, but where are you going to stay? All the motels are full of homeless people languishing on the priority one waiting list, and hotel bookings are being cancelled to turn them in to quarantine centres. Tourism operators must be livid to see proposals to turn Queenstown hotels in to quarantine centres. People locked in a hotel for 14 days don’t tend to spend much in the way of tourism dollars, do they!

A further consideration is the insidious spread of Chinese influence in the south-west pacific. Travel in any Pacific Island and you can clearly see the spread of chinese money and influence in the region. Failing to support our Pacific neighbours leaves a financial vacuum which the CCP is more than ready to fill.

What we have here is a government that is so lacking in depth that the few semi competent operators have been overwhelmed. No imagination. No plan, just an ideologically driven stimulus-response mindset.
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July 7, 2020 9:28am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Chinese have already beaten us to remaining influential in the Pacific.
  
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  July 7, 2020 10:14am
  - All_on_Red
    
    You might be interested in this commentary Kev
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/06/china-superpower-defense-technology-spending/
    
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    July 7, 2020 4:35pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I wouldn’t bet against China’s staying power. They have overlord rulers which their people acquiesce too or else. It’s genetic.
      
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      July 7, 2020 5:58pm
- Jack5
  
  Perhaps the go-slow on a bubble with the Pacific Islands is because NZ wants Australian approval. NZ won’t want to delay a bubble with Australia, which will benefit NZ inbound tourism more.
  
  You’re right about Chinese influence in the Pacific. Perhaps the Cook Islands want more independence (and a name change) so they can tap into Beijing entrapment money.
  
  Consider Vanuatu: half of its foreign debt is now to China; a large (for a country with 280,000 people) Chinese-financed convention centre; the Government IT system; the quarter-billion wharf, far bigger than the country needs; and now there are rumours China will seek a military presence there.
  
  A warning example for the Pacific: the Japanese publication Quartz highlights countries endangered by China’s “debt trap” strategy:
  
  https://qz.com/1223768/china-debt-trap-these-eight-countries-are-in-danger-of-debt-overloads-from-chinas-belt-and-road-plans/
  
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  July 7, 2020 1:09pm
lastmanstanding

All sports teams with White in their title must change their name.
It is offensive
(sarc)
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July 7, 2020 9:31am
- Random T Person
  
  Black, too, even more racist for someone/something to be black.
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:48am
  - Jimmy White
    
    For the All Blacks it will be a simple Change to All Blacks Matter.
    For the All Whites a bit harder.
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:18am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  How long before the woke car companies no longer offer “white” as a color option on new models?
  
  Spokesmen -> Spokespersons -> Wokespersons
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:56am
  - Gravelroad
    
    White will be replaced by “colourless” .
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:14am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Meaningless. When parked at home at night they appear black anyway.
      
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      July 7, 2020 10:57am
    - Jack5
      
      Gravelroad: scientists will likely say that while white is a colour being the combination of all colours, black is not a colour but the absence of colours.
      
      Under this definition it is wrong to regard a Black person as being a person of colour, and wrong to regard a White person as not being a person of colour.
      
      https://www.colormatters.com/color-and-design/are-black-and-white-colors#Anchor-Color-47857
      
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      July 7, 2020 3:52pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    I had supremacist toast this morning. It’s a sad old world when a section of the spectrum triggers the woke.
    
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    July 7, 2020 12:19pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I had toast of colour myself
      
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      July 8, 2020 7:32am
    - MH
      
      TONE IT DOWN – IT’S FUTILE as all white toast aspires to be brown now.
      
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      July 8, 2020 4:41pm
- fernglas
  
  And given that there are a few pakeha in the side, the All Blacks will be changing their name to avoid allegations of cultural appropriation
  
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  July 7, 2020 9:57am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Went in to but a Bambillo from Spotlight on the weekend.
  When i passed my Amex to the cashier she said, “We no longer accept Black credit cards”
  
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  July 7, 2020 10:04am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Was the Bambillo for your butt, Maggie Pie?
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:13am
  - Ruahine
    
    There are some bargains on the black market y’know.
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:14am
  - Fletch
    
    Many retailers don’t accept Amex. I think because they add a 5% charge or something.
    
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    July 7, 2020 10:52am
    - septic skeptic
      
      American Express – don’t leave home without another credit card.
      
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      July 7, 2020 12:22pm
  - Ruawai
    
    Maggie I would have thought your credit card would be platinum.
    
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    July 7, 2020 11:44am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Platinum?!! Everybody’s got those ones.
      
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      July 7, 2020 12:29pm
Maggie Pie

“Is no one innocent?”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcM5zLqUYAUzGeZ?format=jpg&name=small
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July 7, 2020 9:47am
- RJ
  
  Wow, what a tongue…..
  
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  July 7, 2020 12:41pm
SB2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The two surreal worlds that is Trump’s MAGA

A president who tells Americans that Covid 19 is harmless.

Those on the frontlines and US Governors ( Democrat or Republican ) that it poses a serious health risk,

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018753848/usa-correspondent-ron-elving
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July 7, 2020 10:15am
- Two bob
  
  1 man states facts 1 group states fear.
  
  lefties rely on fear to control and influence.
  
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  July 7, 2020 11:38am
- RJ
  
  Gee, who remembers that person who posted above claiming that Covid was harmless, just another flu, and anyone who posted anything about it was fear monger if. It’s obvious the above poster has no real beliefs and just tries to post to a daily agenda that often shows what a hypocrite he is and how he should take up gymnastic the amount of bending and black flips he does.
  
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  July 7, 2020 12:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  People, ignore the troll, he/she is bored and hypocritical
  
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  July 7, 2020 3:45pm
Batman

Regardless of political leanings, this is hilarious

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-camp-vows-to-protect-brazils-most-iconic-statue-from-left-wing-mobs

Clearly Comrade Biden was about to parachute into Rio with some C4 to take down that noted symbol of white people, a bloke from the middle east ??
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July 7, 2020 11:02am
Michael

National Party bad.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300050892/national-party-admits-it-sold-too-many-state-houses
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July 7, 2020 11:07am
- Inandout
  
  Michael, what else are they going to admit before they morph into Labour? Next thing they will inform us of the real reason why Key resigned, while they are in the ‘foot shooting’ mode.
  
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  July 7, 2020 11:56am
  - barnacle bill
    
    Key resigned because he couldn’t really give himself a knighthood, could he ?
    So with enough time to have English take over ( just ) he would ensure that he got what he thought he deserved.
    English said himself that Key had asked him often enough.
    
    And does he flaunt it, The Right Honorable John P Key.
    Did he deserve a Knighthood, no bloody way..
    
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    July 7, 2020 1:15pm
    - brett68
      
      Key resigned because he’d achieved what he needed from being PM.
      
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      July 7, 2020 1:39pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        I am not sure just what he had achieved Brett.
        
        He kind of started a few things, but never completed anything.
        
        He just became Johnny Walkaway.
        
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        July 7, 2020 1:54pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        There is a life outside politics… some of the old hacks from Labour should try venturing out a bit further from the trough.
        
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        July 7, 2020 1:59pm
      - brett68
        
        Being PM gave him access to very important powerful people, he basically used his time as PM to network his arse off.
        
        Set himself up for the next leg of his career
        
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        July 7, 2020 2:40pm
    - Garbageman
      
      I still love how his name triggers the loons
      
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      July 7, 2020 2:46pm
- chukar
  
  This is precisely why National is now not fit to govern.
  
  Selling state houses mostly to the incumbent residents gave a lot of the underprivileged in NZ the chance to look after themselves and escape the poverty / state dependence cycle.
  
  Now they apparently have adopted the COL policies of more and more enforced dependence on the state.
  
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  July 7, 2020 1:36pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Actually many were sold to housing trusts and developers in Auckland I believe.
    
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    July 7, 2020 2:41pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      That was my understanding …
      
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      July 7, 2020 3:59pm
  - Two bob
    
    alot of the old housing stock that was sold needed serious dosh spent to get them up to scratch.
    insulation, reclad exterior, reroof renovated etc it was a logical decision to sell up.
    
    if we keep providing for the have nots society and outcomes will never improve. who wants to work hard and struggle with mortage when you get a state house for life? who wants to be innovative and take a risk when the greens will pay you a wage to sit on the couch.
    
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    July 7, 2020 3:55pm
    - MH
      
      none the less it segregated the rich remuerians from the polynesians who at least used to mingle and got into schools with good white teachers. Now we have brown teachers teaching in samoan etc to brown only kids as the exodus of white teachers from those schools is obvious for all to see and never the twain shall meet. so much for assimilation or integration- we have neither.
      
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      July 8, 2020 4:54pm
Michael

Hey Sooty
Bernie is only 89 , according to the report I read.
Still , to be able to still get it up at that age is quite remarkable. Also, his wife is 44, hardly a young thing.
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July 7, 2020 11:12am
- Tall Man
  
  It’s all relative young man.
  
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  July 7, 2020 2:39pm
Maggie Pie

Is this one of the most powerful adverts you’ve ever seen?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcQn_XtWkAAkDfj?format=jpg&name=small
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July 7, 2020 12:01pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  There are some days when they are not quite so sweet and loveable as others…..
  
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  July 7, 2020 12:42pm
fernglas

So the Port decision has been kicked down the road. Probably as well; after the CV19 changes have settled down, there may not be so much demand for CBD real estate. Plus the economic cost outweighs the economic benefits. Another broken promise.
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July 7, 2020 12:15pm
RJ

Still no protests, marches or anything for the young 8 year old black girl murdered by black lives matter.

Secoriea Turner: Eight-year-old girl among several children shot dead over Independence Day weekend
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July 7, 2020 12:30pm
- Rich Prick
  
  That black life didn’t matter. The offender was the wrong colour, you see. Identity politics will turn all of its adherents into hypocrites at some point.
  
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  July 7, 2020 1:07pm
Swifty

“I can’t breathe….!”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12346140
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July 7, 2020 12:32pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh, Crikey dick…
  and they’ll be on their way back to NZ.
  
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  July 7, 2020 2:03pm
- alex Masterley
  
  What a pair of scroats.
  They will be amongst us before you know it.
  
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  July 7, 2020 2:20pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Scum always floats up and they will come to the attention of the police here.
    
    However, what a pathetic sentence.
    
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    July 7, 2020 2:37pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      It seems that in Australia as well as New Zealand scumbags need to work really hard to get put into the bin.
      
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      July 7, 2020 3:55pm
Swifty

The Labour government uses our taxes to demonise law-abiding New Zealanders by showing them commit criminal acts and puts them on a par with porn, grooming and bullying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQNBZff0330

Sickening.
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July 7, 2020 12:41pm
Swifty

“I don’t think we are going to achieve a great deal by talking about facts” -Hera Cook, Gun Control NZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khdyXlA5lTo&t=1s

(FULL) Digi-Debates. Canada vs. New Zealand – Gun Ban Debate
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July 7, 2020 12:44pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  What is Gun Control NZ? Who funds it? It seemed to appear, out of thin air fully formed with either 2 or 3 fulltime staff and a PR budget.
  
  Best funded insta-grassroots campaign since Soros’ last one? Or just laundered through Vote: Health like Ash and the Drug Foundation?
  
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  July 7, 2020 2:39pm
  - Swifty
    
    Volunteers, they say.
    
    They don’t state where their funds come from:
    
    https://www.guncontrol.nz/mission-2
    
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    July 7, 2020 3:17pm
Maggie Pie

Twitter is reporting that Ghislaine Maxwell has just been transferred to the notorious Metropolitan Detention Centre in NY, to await her court appearance on Friday.

Sez former Warden of the MDC, Cameron Lindsay, “You go from living a life of luxury like Maxwell, to all of a sudden being in a situation where you’re being stripped and having people look into your body cavities”.
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July 7, 2020 12:49pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Had a look at the MDC on google earth.
  Looks just like a Russian apartment block but not so appealing.
  
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  July 7, 2020 3:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, it sounds dreadful. People are dying in there, not only from Covid, but all sorts of other things as well.
    Why they would deem it necessary to detain someone of Ghislaine’s breeding in a place like that is beyond me.
    
    https://www.brooklynpaper.com/detainees-report-inhumane-conditions-at-brooklyns-metropolitan-detention-center/
    
    Murderer’s get better facilities in this country at the Oranga Tamariki Centre here in South Auckland. At least there, inmates can open their widows.
    
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    July 7, 2020 4:30pm
brett68

I’m hoping National gets utterly decimated at this years election.
Hopefully, a new party that’s representative to people on the right side of the divide rises from the ashes.
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July 7, 2020 1:43pm
- Swifty
  
  “Hopefully, a new party that’s representative to people on the right side of the divide rises from the ashes.”
  
  *Just as long as it’s not full of old men!
  
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  July 7, 2020 1:53pm
- RJ
  
  Sad that you want to see New Zealand fall apart, the economy be destroyed and this country be left in a state that will take generations to repair. Is that you Cindy?
  
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  July 7, 2020 2:38pm
- Garbageman
  
  And if they do you will still be first up to criticize the new leader/team & everything they do which is pretty much what you do here on a regular basis regardless of who is in charge, btw its ok if you bat for the other team just dont pretend otherwise folks here have long memories
  
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  July 7, 2020 3:01pm
- Two bob
  
  I dont hope for decimation as it would be disasterour for new zealand.
  
  sure as fuck hope they get one hell of a wake up call to get their shit together tho.
  
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  July 7, 2020 3:42pm
Swifty

Labour intends to transfer untold wealth of New Zealanders to the primary sector with the target of doubling that part of our economy over the next ten years:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/122055134/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-reveals-10year-plan-to-boost-primary-sector-by-44b

I have but two questions:

1. What were the pre-covid growth forecasts of the primary sector over the next ten years i.e. in the absence of this wealth transfer?

2. After the broken promises and non-delivery debacles of the last three years, just why should New Zealanders believe Labour this time?
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July 7, 2020 1:52pm
- JerJer
  
  Exactly, and given there will be only 10000 jobs to acheive this mircale, these are going to have to be very highly skilled people, which we increasingly will not have.
  
  Currently we have about 22,o00 people employed by Fonterra, not including the 15,000 or so farmers and farm workers etc. Combined they produce about 19b of revenue. How do you produce another 46b in revenue with roughly a quarter of these resources.
  
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  July 7, 2020 2:17pm
- chukar
  
  Swifty
  They should leave primary industries alone.
  
  All past interference has ,sooner rather than later ,rebounded and badly damaged the sectors involved.
  The result is NZ has almost the worst productivity in the OECD.
  
  Remember SMPs ,development/ export subsidies, fiddling with tariffs , and even messing with financial settings?
  There are many examples throughout manufacturing farming and exporting.
  Many of these businesses have still not recovered and some have disappeared.
  
  The most terrifying words in the English language are: “I am from the government and I’m here to help.”
  Ronald Reagan
  
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  July 7, 2020 6:03pm
Maxx

This article just reinforces why we desperately need a
change of Government https://www.newsroom.co.nz/concerned-over-border-infrastructure-list

It looks at the infrastructure list of essential workers, yet no one seems to know where the list came from, why certain projects are on it even though they are on hold (light rail), and any process around scoping whether they could be filled locally. Arderns “plan” of jobs jobs jobs must be for immigrants.

This quite really brings it to life though “Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway first pointed to Economic Development Minister Phil Twyford as the architect behind it. However neither Twyford nor members of his office had seen the list before”

I think I’ve seen this movie before… Dumb and Dumber
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July 7, 2020 1:53pm
JerJer

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/122055134/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-reveals-10year-plan-to-boost-primary-sector-by-44b

This is interesting, so, by doing nothing, primary industry exports will incease by 20b in 10 years.

But but but…..by demonising primary agriculture, raising taxation and compliance costs you will double growth…..really ?

I wanna see the how on this. I call BS on this. Sounds like we are planning to go forward by going backwards to me.
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July 7, 2020 2:03pm
- Two bob
  
  the only way this could ever happen would be if we value added every product here in nz, dairy products and timber are doable but then become uncompetitive in global markets due to our low scaleability, isolation , higher wages, red tape, environmentalists/nimby and a soon to come higher taxed economy.
  
  also theres no way a labour govt could ever deliver this not in a million years, I find it halarious theyve demonised primary industry the last 3years and now they need it to be their saviour.
  
  the regions need to give the govt the middle finger.
  
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  July 7, 2020 3:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And we still haven’t got a decent production forestry policy for NZ.
  
  No agreement where to plant trees
  https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/rural-news/rural-general-news/resource-consent-to-convert-productive-farmland
  
  No bloody idea what species to plant for C sequestration
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/109400721/to-make-money-from-carbon-farming-plant-pines-not-natives-says-consultant
  
  Pine trees cast shadow of death over NZ native plants and animals
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12249470
  
  No idea about end use for current timber crop
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/shane-jones-considering-ban-on-log-exports-to-give-new-zealand-priority-access-to-wood/
  
  and I won’t even mention 1 Billion trees.
  
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  July 7, 2020 3:42pm
  - JerJer
    
    So, after three years we have arrived at a combination of having no agreement and/or no idea. Jacinda will dispute this.
    
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    July 7, 2020 3:44pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Would it not be best for the Government to set out required environmental standards about land use and water (in as light handed a way as possible), give assurances that these are stable and won’t change every year, and then let markets determine land use?
    
    What am I missing?
    
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    July 7, 2020 4:25pm
    - chukar
      
      BY,
      That is what many of us have been searching for in politics.
      
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      July 7, 2020 7:50pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You’re missing about 40 years..
      NZ had soil/land classification schemes operating in the 1980s…
      NZ had a Forest Service
      
      Something happened…..
      
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      July 7, 2020 8:57pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I took a look at the report to see what the plan was to reduce cost and regulatory burdens on producers. Here are some highlights of what is proposed:
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  “Te Taiao”
  Our food and fibres sector is grounded in Te Taiao, a deep relationship of respect and reciprocity with the natural world that will ensure the long-term viability of our sectors and wellbeing of future generations. In partnership with Māori and across the community, we propose establishing a Te Taiao framework.
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  A zero carbon future
  
  We will help address climate change by moving to a zero carbon society.
  
  Our world leading partnership on reducing agricultural greenhouse gases, He Waka Eke Noa, will introduce farm-level pricing of agricultural greenhouse gas emissions
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  New bodies to drive transformation:
  • Establish a primary sector think-tank
  • Establish a Māori Primary Sector Leaders Forum
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  I could go on and on… 🙂
  
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  July 7, 2020 3:48pm
- [email protected]
  
  The primary sector have traditionally been National supporters (for very good reasons).
  
  What Labour is now doing by supposedly supporting the primary sector reeks of vote buying.
  
  If Labour was actually interested in improving the standard of living of all New Zealanders it would be supporting all exporters.
  
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  July 7, 2020 7:10pm
Stu2

I’ve been looking at the lockdown mess in Melborne. We have been very lucky that our muddled quarantine didn’t turn into community transmission

I wonder where the blame will stick.

Minister who didn’t ask the right questions, Min Health that isn’t particularily operational, public health that might be a bit touchy feely, chain of command that didn’t translate Govt instructions into thorough concrete actions, lack of authority accompanying nurses wanting tests done, so many organisations, poor reporting on patient testing …
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July 7, 2020 2:22pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Apparently some of the hotel detainees were sleeping with the security guards. 🙁
  
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  July 7, 2020 4:26pm
  - Two bob
    
    good thing the bulk of the “kiwis” returning home are undesirable to our guards.
    
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    July 7, 2020 5:25pm
RJ

Justice for so many Boys and girls dead and alive could be about to happen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw48VryHBNU&feature=emb_logo
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July 7, 2020 2:36pm
- RJ
  
  I guess the cool people will be shitting themselves now
  
  According to former Reddit Ellen Pao, “we knew” underage girls were sex trafficked by Ghislaine Maxwell in 2011
  
  – Maxwell attended the event.
  – Al Gore attended.
  – No spouses were allowed.
  
  Twitter
  
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  July 7, 2020 2:47pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes I think it is most unlikely that Prince Andrew will set foot in the USA for the rest of his life.
    
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    July 7, 2020 3:38pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I think Andy’s mummy and Hillary have been chatting. There is no way either want this shit out
      
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      July 7, 2020 4:06pm
- Inandout
  
  RJ, you think it won’t happen again?
  ‘The Bureau of Prisons has been the subject of intense scrutiny since Epstein took his own life while in custody in August, which US Attorney General William Barr said was the “perfect storm of screw ups”.
  The agency has been plagued for years by serious misconduct, violence and staffing shortages so severe that guards often work overtime day after day or are forced to work mandatory double shifts and has struggled recently with an exploding number of corona virus cases in prisons across the US.
  Donson said he expects Maxwell will be closely watched while she’s in jail, possibly even with a working camera fixed on her cell, to avoid a repeat of the errors that authorities said led to Epstein’s demise’.
  
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  July 7, 2020 3:10pm
  - RJ
    
    It will be a miracle if she doesn’t get killed, ummm, commit suicide or another prisoner attack her
    
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    July 7, 2020 3:42pm
- RJ
  
  Hmmm, she really does look like Ghislaine Maxwell
  
  Mystery woman sought over missing Maddie
  
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  July 7, 2020 3:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have heard rumours of activity on Little St James Island. Things like diggers on the beaches, smoke.
  This is deeper than we know, but hey, just rumours
  
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  July 7, 2020 4:03pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    It’s coming out that they have seized thousands of photos, together with computer and video disks and other material from Epsteins safe in his house in NY and also from Maxwell’s home.
    Ruh Roh
    
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    July 7, 2020 6:04pm
    - RJ
      
      I know some of the security camera footage from one of his places have leaked online. I wonder who will be the Democrats new presidential contender, won’t be creepy
      
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      July 7, 2020 6:09pm
Maggie Pie

Intriguing…..

According to the NZH, lawyers representing the America’s Cup Syndicate in their bid to seek suppression of documents being released to NZME, have told the court, “……once the genie is out of the bottle it can never be put back in”

Reminded me of this 😛
https://lyrics.az/kanye-west/ye/genie-out-the-bottle.html
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July 7, 2020 2:39pm
Benedict Yu

The PM said this yesterday:

“Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern deemed the calls to re-open the border “frankly dangerous,” saying to do so while the pandemic unfurled overseas would risk Covid-19 returning to our shores.”

The pandemic will ‘unfurl overseas’ until it is either endemic or there is a vaccine (maybe someday). That means the borders could be closed forever. She seems to think that many countries will entirely eliminate community transmission.
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July 7, 2020 3:22pm
- Ian Boag
  
  So Ben. what do you think should be happening?
  
  We could do a Sweden and expect a couple of hundred deaths a month from prorating their numbers. Maybe not so much because we don’t have Somalis living in crowded conditions and working in old folks homes.
  
  Maybe only a hundred a month. Well worth it. Now find me a polly who will campaign on that 🙂
  
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  July 7, 2020 5:52pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Sweden admitted they made a mistake with how they treated Rest Homes.
    I see they are now out of the problem and Covid deaths are over.
    Technically the US has also passed below the benchmark of this being considered pandemic. The death rate is dropping rapidly.
    Everyone always raises Sweden.
    What about how Japan went?
    Seriously we should learn from the Rest home problem which happened in Italy, NY and Sweden.
    Make them safe here and open our Border.
    We can’t stay closed forever. That will bring different problems almost as worse as the Virus.
    If you oldies are scared, then stay home.
    
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    July 7, 2020 6:00pm
Jack5

Wuhan flu just the appetiser?

Bubonic plague has broken out in Mongolia.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200706/Mongolia-warns-of-suspected-bubonic-plague.aspx
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July 7, 2020 3:39pm
- SGA
  
  Small outbreaks of bubonic plague happen from time to time around the world. Now that we know how it spreads and with modern medicine, it isn’t the threat it once was.
  
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  July 7, 2020 4:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think we covered this story at 8:11am
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/07/general_debate_07_july_2020.html/comment-page-1#comment-2753185
  
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  July 7, 2020 4:48pm
Captain Mainwaring

An interesting story which I’ll share with you.
Because of covid19, Warehouse Stationery have run out of some Brother printer cartridges because airfreight space is hard to come by and the factory in Indonesia is running at 5%. This is going to cause problems for anybody who does a lot of printing.
The man there kindly put me onto an online place called Mighty Ape, after checking their stock.
I ordered two cartridges after the site told me that they would get them from their supplier. and they would be dispatched in the next day or so.
I ordered them at 10.30 this morning and they were on my doorstep at 3.30. Mighty Ape is in Silverdale and I’m in Lower Hutt. Amazing, all I can think is that the supplier must be in Wellington.
But I think I’m in trouble when the black one runs out.
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July 7, 2020 3:58pm
- RJ
  
  We switched away from hp printers to Epson eco a while ago. Much easier, just top the printer up without needing to buy cartridges
  
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  July 7, 2020 4:12pm
Jack5

What’s become of Sonny Bill Williams?

Anyone heard how SBW’s club, Toronto Wolfpack, is coping in the financial pinch caused by Wuhan flu?

The majority owner, David Argyle, stepped down as chairman and chief executive last year, after some sort of race incident.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/2019/06/07/toronto-wolfpack-owner-apologizes-after-player-accuses-him-of-racism.html
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July 7, 2020 4:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“Slow the Spread”
Translation:
Drag it out so it lasts until the Election.
Let’s keep moving – Chemists are now out of laxatives
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July 7, 2020 4:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear…

Political Propaganda NOT ART

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/election-2020-electoral-commission-finds-jacinda-ardern-aroha-posters-are-political-ads-not-art.html
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July 7, 2020 5:12pm
- RJ
  
  That was obvious to anyone with a brain, so, I guess everyone but the left
  
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  July 7, 2020 5:19pm
- sam green
  
  Oh dear Michelle Boag.
  
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  July 7, 2020 5:45pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I agree… I hope she faces criminal charges.
    
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    July 7, 2020 6:42pm
kowtow

It never was ‘art’ . It was an unoriginal rip off of some other guys’ thingy done about Obummer.
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July 7, 2020 5:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

False info from Facebook? my left tit.
Hate Americans as much as you like cocksuckers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaxGNQE5ZLA&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2UHmKeuO3_9OuueDFIvZdX3ALQP0RfwH6-787iKrn9K6U_KL9wlmbTkOY
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July 7, 2020 5:35pm
RJ

Under-fire National MP Hamish Walker has admitted to passing on the private details of Covid-19 patients to media.

Walker said he did this to expose Government shortcomings and he has been advised that what he did was not criminal.

Article
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July 7, 2020 5:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Bah, Spa time. I leave this here:
https://www.facebook.com/TrumpPenceTeam/videos/1229148130429399/
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July 7, 2020 5:45pm
doggone7

So Michelle Boag and Hamish Walker released private details of Covid-patients.

Quite clearly scummy, dirtbag politics to embarrass the Government.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12346280
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July 7, 2020 5:52pm
- doggone7
  
  So it’s not scummy, dirtbag politics to embarrass the Government?
  
  Oh I see it’s just Walker exposing Government shortcomings. Guess he come up short.
  
  Monday: How terrible some people’s details have been leaked.
  Later Monday: How terrible, it could be any of us whose details are out.
  Later Monday: Look at the terrible situation the named ones are in.
  Tuesday afternoon: The leak was from Boag and Walker
  Later Tuesday: It’s not scummy, dirtbag politics to embarrass the Government
  
  So just what is it?
  
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  July 7, 2020 6:33pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Fuckwits…
Labour will have a field day with this Leak

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300051710/national-mp-hamish-walker-admits-passing-on-leaked-covid19-patient-info-from-former-party-president-michelle-boag
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July 7, 2020 5:57pm
- RJ
  
  Yeah, I cannot believe Hamish has done this, idiot. He should know better about patient confidentiality
  
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  July 7, 2020 6:02pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Walker tossed Boag under the bus? Wot?
  
  All wrong but what happened to “protection of sources” and all that? All he had to do was follow Woodhouse, look serious and say he had an impeccable source. He is probably disappointed that the media have not published the names he gave them
  
  Seems that electorate is not doing well for quality MPs after the Todd Barclay debacle.
  
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  July 7, 2020 6:08pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner reckons this would be why Todd never came out in support of Hamish at the get go.
    He said you can bet your pretty little ass Michelle would have told Toddy to back off ….this thing has got legs.
    
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    July 7, 2020 6:30pm
    - RJ
      
      I’m starting to wondering if Hamish was doing what Todd told him to do.
      
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      July 7, 2020 7:33pm
  - MCos
    
    Boag tossed herself under the bus all by herself by admitting she obtained private info and (illegally) forwarding it on. Undoubtedly to embarrass the government.
    Walker acted like a kid in a candy store who just couldn’t help himself by forwarding the hot info on to some media outlets.
    It’s obviously dawned on him that he was going to be rumbled and he’s hoping he might keep his place in the House of Representatives.
    
    In your dreams, pal.
    
    Boag has been round for years. On wonders what she was thinking?
    
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    July 7, 2020 6:47pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      One wonders why that stupid cow is still on National’s mailing list.
      
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      July 7, 2020 8:53pm
Prince

I feel sorry for Muller given the latest Boag-Walker screw up.
Actually I don’t. He wanted the job, now’s the chance to knock a few heads together and have a clean out.
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July 7, 2020 5:59pm
- kowtow
  
  Jian Yang is not a good look either.
  
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  July 7, 2020 6:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

That’s 2 votes National have lost from Gizzy.

There’s no way we’ll be giving our vote to Fuckwits
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July 7, 2020 6:06pm
- doggone7
  
  Walker is quoted as saying he did it to expose Government shortcomings.
  
  What was the shortcoming? Information leaking out?
  
  Yesterday it was about how terrible it was that people’s personal information was out and the situation it put them in.
  
  He has no integrity at all. He should resign, not stand in September. Once upon a time sage old dogs would have taken him out the back for a little chat and the resignation letter would follow shortly after.
  
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  July 7, 2020 6:14pm
  - RJ
    
    Resign? Jezz if Helen Clark resigned every time she slipped a brown envelope under a journalists door to leak information she would of resigned hundreds of times.
    
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    July 7, 2020 6:32pm
- Lance
  
  Sooooo….. you won’t vote for any party with one or two fuckwits in its midst?
  
  Hmmm
  
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  July 7, 2020 6:24pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Yep, same here Maggy.
  A lot of us here on this blog have regularly taken the moral high ground over Labour’s questionable antics and their handling of them.
  But obviously the National Party is no better.
  Todd Muller – what are you going to do? You are leader of a party with what sort of integrity?
  
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  July 7, 2020 6:29pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  So you’re on the ACT team now then Maggy?
  So am I.
  
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  July 7, 2020 8:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

If there’s any National Party members reading here, I’ll tell you what really makes me sick.

Some poor public servants would have been grilled,
& hauled over the coals for this leak… and all the time “trusted” politicos were keeping their mouths shut.
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July 7, 2020 6:21pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner reckons the Slaters will be larfing their arses off!
  Before he was banned from WOBH, he reckoned hardly a day went by where they didn’t rubbish Michell Bag.
  LOL!!
  
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  July 7, 2020 6:25pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    aargh! ‘Boag’
    
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    July 7, 2020 6:56pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      No Maggie, you were right. She’s a useless old bag.
      
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      July 7, 2020 8:56pm
- Swifty
  
  Agreed.
  
  And I think of the hundreds of thousands of hours put in annually by National members and their families volunteering their time, to have their work undone by shitbag behaviour like this – and from one of the few selected and trusted to represent us.
  
  Not good enough.
  
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  July 7, 2020 6:32pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  That’s true, but I still don’t understand how the vile Michelle Boag got her hands on it. Apparently it was through her role with the Auckland Helicopter Rescue trust. Why would she get the info there?
  
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  July 7, 2020 6:33pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Perhaps the Helicopter rescue trust needs to know the location of all positive cases in the region, in case folks deteriorate and need to be flown to Auckland Hosp.
    
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    July 7, 2020 6:40pm
    - RJ
      
      This woman has been mentoring Hamish. This woman gave it to Hamish it would of been with her saying to release it.
      
      I very much regret my actions and did not anticipate that Hamish would choose to send it on to some media outlets
      
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      July 7, 2020 6:48pm
    - sam green
      
      I hadn’t thought of that – or there is another leaker? Whoever, whatever – it’s scurrilous.
      
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      July 7, 2020 7:09pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Even if that were the case, there is no reason such information would be available to the governing board. It would be a purely operational matter, nothing to do with governance of the organisation.
      
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      July 7, 2020 7:29pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      That would make sense Maggie, but as far as I’ve been able to tell the details didn’t include their addresses. Happy to stand corrected if they were.
      
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      July 7, 2020 8:41pm
    - david
      
      But Maggie, that would be operational and Boag was Chair of the Board. Absolutely no justifiable reason for this stuff to go to her private email.
      More info needed.
      
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      July 8, 2020 9:12am
      - david
        
        Oooops
        Withdraw last Comment, I see she was acting CEO although for the life of me I can’t work out why you would put her in charge of anything.
        
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        July 8, 2020 9:35am
- rangitoto
  
  It still hasn’t been explained how Boag got the info so the public servants aren’t off the hook. On the other hand, Boag should be expelled from the National party if she is still a member. Has always been toxic.
  
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  July 7, 2020 7:21pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes it has..
    She received it in her capacity as acting CEO of the Auckland Helicopter Rescue Trust.
    Acting chief executive of Auckland Rescue Helicopter Trust Michelle Boag later confirmed she gave the patient details to Walker.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/420707/covid-19-privacy-breach-hipkins-addresses-walker-boag-admissions
    
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    July 7, 2020 7:43pm
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Has anyone noticed that the price of goods that have to be imported have gone up substantially?

It appears that the freight companies such as DHL, FedEx and others have jacked up their rates enormously even considering that the Kiwi dollar is quite high at the moment.

This increase is both in incoming goods and exported goods.
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July 7, 2020 7:18pm
- Raphael
  
  The price will go up. With less flights etc. the cost of shipping is higher.
  
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  July 7, 2020 7:38pm
- RJ
  
  Depending on what you are buying there are global shortages
  
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