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If the National Party cannot maintain the confidence of their own MPs, why should we trust them to run the country?
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July 16, 2020 8:00am
- RJ
  
  People move on from jobs, it’s life. Would you prefer a politician is In the job for life?
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:23am
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
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    July 16, 2020 10:12am
brett68

How pathetic and childish is Nikki Kaye?
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July 16, 2020 8:02am
- Chris R
  
  I just heard NK being interviewed. I doubt that I have ever heard a more self-absorbed National MP. Self-absorption is of course a necessary ingredient for the likes of the PM and those in the Greens.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:18am
  - brett68
    
    I’ve heard she’s an absolute prima donna.
    To throw your toys out of the cot, this close to the election because you didn’t get what you want is just pathetic.
    
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    July 16, 2020 8:56am
    - Sacha
      
      Now I have never been too enthralled by Nicky Kaye, Brett68, but I think your comment is petty. Firstly, the ‘prima donna’ rumour – and that’s all it is – or hearsay as you report it, is opinion only. Who has the proof?
      It is not ‘pathetic’ to resign this close to the election. It means the the new candidate will have a clear run, and the expense of the election campaign will not be wasted – a good example of how to use other people’s money.
      As for Amy Adams – I suspect that if she had been given a place at the top table, she would have taken it.
      
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      July 16, 2020 11:56am
Captain Mainwaring

Adams and Kaye have spat the dummy. Looks like wokeness is not on the agenda in Judith’s National party. I wonder who’s next.
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July 16, 2020 8:03am
- Poppa
  
  I don’t think either of them is a huge loss to be frank
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:04am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Auckland Central could be a huge loss, especially if the Greens end up with 4.8% of party vote but Chlohe Swarbrick happens to win Auckland Central.
    
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    July 16, 2020 8:22am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      She won’t. Not a prayer unless Labour decide not to run a candidate, which they will not agree to.
      
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      July 16, 2020 10:43am
    - GazzaW
      
      Swarbrick has no chance at all unless Labour does not contest the seat which is highly highly unlikely. The Greens only secured 2000 votes in 2017 July to run in a very distant third.
      
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      July 16, 2020 10:43am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Chloe does have a function if she gets back in, she can serve as a horrible warning.
        
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        July 16, 2020 4:16pm
- Inandout
  
  Go woke, lose votes.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:05am
- PhilBest
  
  Good riddance. They should run as Labour or Green MP’s if they want to stay in politics. And it isn’t just them – some people don’t “join” National, they “infiltrate” it, just like they infiltrate academia, media, law, clergy, corporations, etc
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:06am
  - Harriet
    
    Yes but that ain’t the real problem imho.
    
    How does this get past pre-selection?
    
    A female Nat MP who entered parliament at the last election gave a maiden speech saying that she was going to support giving ‘lots more money to toddlers and children as it makes the biggest difference’.Baby bonus, WFF, childcare payments and others already exist.
    
    It’s just more welfare to families instead of opportunity – why should graduates get assisted to raise their own children in this day and age?
    
    Mrs Collins — tear down this leftist party. 😎
    
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    July 16, 2020 8:46am
- artemisia
  
  Leaks coming out from National caucus. May be a couple of disloyal dots to be joined.
  
  Caucus leaks have to be stopped in their tracks. Or what is leaked next?
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:08am
  - Inandout
    
    art. perhaps 3 females on their way out?
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:32am
- Tricati
  
  Good job – The day is getting better by the hour
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:09am
- Ipanema69
  
  It is a time of change in the National Party and people do tend to make decisions as their thoughts crystalize. Good Luck to Nicky and Amy in their future endeavours. However the national party is bigger than any one individual.
  
  On another topic I expect Winston to do something in the next week or two. The media cycle is showing signs of being dominated by the head to head between Judith and Jacinda. Winston lives and dies by media oxygen and he wont be happy.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:12am
  - sooty
    
    Cindy, Buy me a alloy smelter!
    He’s done it already!
    
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    July 16, 2020 2:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  Petulant little misses I think.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:12am
- niggly
  
  Well with Adams resigning it simply highlights how duplicitous she is (for initially resigning months ago, then staying on under Muller, now resigning again), she comes across as not wanting to be a team player.
  
  However Kaye is different. She too may be somewhat “woke” but otherwise she is an intelligent, hardworking and respected MP. Collins should ask her to stay on.
  
  I suppose though for Nikki, she has been disadvantaged by having her election campaign manager (Michelle Boag) step down from that role at a very crucial time.
  
  Personally, in this particular situation, should perhaps Boag be reinstated as Nikki’s campaign manager? After all why is it that “disgraced” former Labour Party Presidents (eg Mike Williams who traveled to Australia to dig up dirt on John Key is still allowed prominent media spots and is involved with other campaigns? Note I’m simply pointing out the hypocrisy here. After all do we really want Labour or Greens to potentially take Auckland Central?
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:15am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It’s different when the left do it. Personally I’m glad that the blood-letting was short and sharp. Despite immense sympathy for her health situation and admiration for her work ethic, I’ve never rated her leadership prospects.
    
    I know Key was a big fan, and she’s always been highly rated within the party, but from a voter’s perspective I’ve never seen the appeal, and wouldn’t put her in the same class as Collins.
    
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    July 16, 2020 7:02pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Didnt AA resign earlier and then changed her mind when TM came on the scene??
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:15am
- RJ
  
  Adams had already quit and came back because she was asked. Now that person is no longer there leading she has no reason to stay.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:24am
- Justitia
  
  It was a good start for Judith yesterday. She made it clear she values competence and “diversity of thought” over diversity of skin colour. That is exactly as it should be and something we have needed to hear for a long time from one of our parliamentary representatives. If some MPs can’t accept this idea, then they are better off indulging their too exquisite sensibilities elsewhere.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:34am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    That is exactly what I want to hear from every real social liberal, financially conservative worldwide: equal rights doesn’t always mean equal outcomes. Kick identity politics in their racist, sexist guts.
    
    I’m so sick of divisive identity politics.
    
    I’ve not said what or who I am here, but will now say this much: if I wanted to play that game I could have gone on about various ‘disadvantages’ of my identity.
    
    Instead I took my equal rights and grabbed opportunities and made a decent life for myself. All I ever wanted was equal rights, not some bloody advantage based on my identity.
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:56am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Whenever the word “diversity” is thrown at Collins et al by the media, they should respond by asking “diversity in what sense?”. They will either have to explain what they mean (i.e. fewer white people), or not be able to do so. The word is just thrown around and never interrogated.
    
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    July 16, 2020 10:52am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Collins has an excellent repost, “I’m a minority of one in my own household”.
      
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      July 16, 2020 10:17pm
- kwkiwigirl
  
  Didn’t find either of them particularly charismatic.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:55am
- barnacle bill
  
  Muller and Woodhouse ?
  
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  July 16, 2020 10:06am
Vallager

NK: Unless we focus on staying centrist, I am not sure I can remain in the party

JC: That’s nice dear, close the door on your way out

Half an hour later…..

AA: Unless..

JC: Yes, I know dear, just close the door when you leave please.
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July 16, 2020 8:06am
- Tall Man
  
  I doubt she wants resignations like this just before an election but I do think think she’s a “get in behind or get off the bus” person.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:15am
  - doggone7
    
    Yet just above Justitia says Collins values “diversity of thought.”
    
    Does she value diversity of thought as long as it matches her thoughts?
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:09am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Half of parliament are woke. That’s more than diverse enough. It’s not like there isn’t plenty of woke left in the National Party anyway.
      
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      July 16, 2020 10:22am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Way to miss the point. They weren’t genuine quotes.
      
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      July 16, 2020 7:18pm
  - GazzaW
    
    I think it’s highly likely that on Tuesday evening every MP in the National caucus room was given a 24 hours timeframe to confirm whether they wanted to stay on board with Judith or to resign.
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:54am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  J.C. – get me Muller on the phone please . . .
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:19am
- Frank the tank
  
  You laugh but that’s probably what happened.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:32am
Nick R

Well, that escalated fast, as they say. To lose one senior MP might be regarded as misfortune but two… The worst thing about Nikki Kaye resigning is that Chloe Swarbrick is now pretty likely to win Auckland Central. That popping noise you can hear is coming from the champagne bottles in the Green party. The laughing noise is Labour.
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July 16, 2020 8:07am
- Tall Man
  
  I doubt that very much.
  
  One of the main strengths of the National party is the depth of talent. There will be another candidate waiting in the wings but the level of petulance from her will harm the party so you are partially correct.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:17am
- [moderated]
  
  Good point. Now the Greens will have a safe seat like ACT and it doesn’t matter if they drop below 5%
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:28am
  - doggone7
    
    Kaye won by about 1600 with about 13,200 votes.
    Helen White Labour was second.
    
    The Green candidate, granted not Swarbrick, only got 2,838 in total. Saying that the Greens would have a ‘safe seat’ is fanciful. Kaye has already said she’ll be out electioneering for National. There will be her personal vote and now sympathy vote to overcome.
    
    A safe seat? Where are all the votes to come from?
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:18am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    The Left hate sharing power. It’s their thing. Labour will not gift the Greens a seat when they believe they might be in a position to govern alone. They want to steal Greens votes, not shore them up.
    
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    July 16, 2020 10:25am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Swarbrick couldn’t even win the nomination from her own party to contest Auckland Central, after losing the Auckland Mayoralty bid. Then she got sent to Maungakiekie, and lost.
    
    She has zero chance of winning Auckland Central. None, nada, zilch, nein, rien,
    
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    July 16, 2020 7:30pm
- Frank Thomas
  
  Yes, unfortunately it looks like the Greens will now definitely get back in. Worse case scenario is Labour/Green out polls National/Act with no NZ First to act as a handbrake. I hope to god that Judith can go one better than Don Brash did and snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. It would be the greatest comeback ever and on a personal level I would love to see the SJW’s and Chardonnay Socialists crying into their soy lattes.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:46am
  - mandk
    
    I don’t get this NZF ‘acting as a handbrake’ stuff.
    
    They have enabled all the crap the CoL has visited upon the nation. It will be great to see them gone.
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:20am
    - Crisplion
      
      Winston enabled the CoL to take power, but NZF have torpedoed some of Labour’s dopey ideas. Like you, I think NZF are a blight and I want them gone. With that said, the idea of Labour and the Greens governing with no-one to curb their worst excesses scares the hell out of me.
      
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      July 16, 2020 11:33am
- kowtow
  
  Fear not , the left vote gets split while a Right Knight rides through the gap.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:48am
- tf78
  
  UNLESS the Nats don’t stand a candidate there and give a clear run for ACT.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:48am
- burt
  
  No popping noise, Chardonnay isn’t carbonated.
  
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  July 16, 2020 9:08am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Does depend, Blanc de Blanc Champagne is Chardonnay, without the usual proportion of Pinot Noir – though most champagnes use both plus some Pinot Meunier. Don’t know if there’s much Meunier grown in NZ though.
    
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    July 16, 2020 10:20am
    - burt
      
      NZ socialist only consume the finest Chardonnay while they are telling everyone else how they should drink water.
      
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      July 16, 2020 11:05am
- Nickc2
  
  …..and that smell is the still illegal marajuna.
  
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  July 16, 2020 10:05am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  Just keep reminding Auckland Central electors of the Greens’ wealth tax and back downs on environmental issues.
  
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  July 16, 2020 10:39am
Lance

It was great to see Gerry Brownlee own Duncan Garner on AM this morning.
Finally a politician (other than Winston) who won’t let the interviewer make shit up and demand an answer on that basis.
Much more of this please
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July 16, 2020 8:10am
- Isobar
  
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  Not necessarily a great thing. Brownlee is also unable to listen and make a considered decision. It’s Brownlee’s way or no way.
  
  And now we have a billion dollar issue of botched EQC repairs in Christchurch and unfinished (or in some cases still not started) promises.
  
  Its good to have a MP who can speak their mind – especially to the media but Brownlee needs to also learn that leadership requires more than just being belligerent.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:27am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Brownlee is not there to lead, that’s Collins’ job.
    
    Brownlee was never on the leaders list, or was so low on it, it hardly mattered. He was never going to be picked. He’s there to act as an attack/guard dog for Collins.
    
    He’s a larger, nastier version of Mike Pence. And it’s a good strategy. Brownlee ain’t in it for the glory but for the guts. The guts of others.
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:04am
  - doggone7
    
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    Brownlee and his cobbers are making out that his/their handling of the Christchurch situation has been a triumph or close to that.
    
    People in Christchurch know that’;s rubbish.
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:20am
  - Inandout
    
    No isobar, Gerry is not ‘kind’, just knowledgeable.
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:36am
- questions
  
  It’s a good day for the National Party that’s for sure.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:37am
kowtow

Does Ardern believe for one minute that any thinking New Zealander accepts that her focus is so on saving us that she’s given no thought to the general election ?

And how the hell the Media Party let that one pass without gales of laughter .

Talking of the Media Party lots of talk about Tiwai , lost jobs , devastation etc but I don’t recall the same level of angst over Taranaki and the gutting of an even longer industrial tradition there and the consequences of that Captain’s call . Hmmmm.
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July 16, 2020 8:10am
- oldpark
  
  Here! Here! Kowtow blog of the year . Well spotted.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:33am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Thing is, she appears to think – and the media appear to agree with her – that she’s not a politician but a monarch, a unifying figurehead who is “above politics”.
  
  Nope. We have an actual Queen for that purpose, and long may it remain so. Jacinda’s job is politics and she’s not doing it.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She doesn’t know what to do…
    She’s always been indecisive and needs someone else to tell her about her next performance.
    She’s not quick or experienced enough to deal with a changing landscape off her own bat.
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:30am
  - Inandout
    
    AR, and our ‘monarch’ did bequeath $50 million dowry to the media ‘Chelsea Veterans’ to keep them happy and loyal in their sunset industry. Jacinda is so gracious.
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:44am
- DeepBlue
  
  The election is a done deal for Jacinda lovers, she doesn’t need to electioneer as she will win. I do hope they all stay home on 19 September.
  
  It’s a very risky strategy for Jacinda to reinforce the idea that the election doesn’t matter.
  
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  July 16, 2020 9:06am
- thirteenstars
  
  “…any thinking New Zealander…”
  
  Oh, now. That’s a rare bird, indeed. Saving the kakapo was hard enough.
  
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  July 16, 2020 9:09am
- hullkiwi
  
  Fairness to Garner, he didn’t let it pass.
  
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  July 16, 2020 10:26pm
artemisia

ECE – Early Childhood Education. Is there really a serious problem with ECE here? Child Poverty Action Group says yes, due to a perceived gap in culturally appropriate services and ‘relentless pursuit of profit’. Profit, can’t have that. So nationalise it.

Whatever happened to parents wanting the best for their children and making it happen?

Meantime Dr Mike Bedford, an expert in ECE health issues, has entered the debate on the wireless this morning, and focused on tiger turf in ECE play areas. Wants real grass, didn’t mention mud though. Good luck with that. In any case, nothing stopping ECE centres planting grass. He also reckoned that some parents don’t know what is quality ECE and might be swayed by eg a free-fees period.

In a 2018 paper, Mike Bedford – a public health expert, specialising in health and wellbeing in early childhood education settings – said the quality of care and education was “drastically lacking”. “While being fenced into small spaces devoid of grass and natural environments, with no space to run… It’s not surprising therefore that children start school with language problems. This is anti-education.”

Anti-education. Really?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300055213/early-childhood-education-adulttochild-ratios-not-fit-for-purpose
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July 16, 2020 8:11am
Gravelroad

So now it is confirmed:
There is something woefully wrong with the National Party.
There are too many people in there who don’t care about the party, and certainly don’t care about the party supporters – let alone potential voters.
Shame.
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July 16, 2020 8:12am
- tf78
  
  It looks like all those people are leaving – that’s a good thing. Precious wee things they are.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:51am
- Two bob
  
  its good, purge of the filthy labour lite members and retern to a right wing party not the centrist/left leaning track muller took it down
  
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  July 16, 2020 5:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Indira Stewart RNZ interviewed Dr Shane Reti this morning.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/first-up/audio/2018755153/dr-shane-reti-promoted-to-national-front-bench

She wasted about 5 minutes of the interview trying to bring up diversity issues, and when she finally asks him about how NZ’s covid-19 response could have been better handled, she cuts him off when he is offering a detailed response.
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July 16, 2020 8:12am
- Tall Man
  
  And you are surprised Maggy?
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:19am
  - MCos
    
    No because it was six o’clock and time to end her programme.
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:22am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I was surprised to hear such a patronising interview from someone who espouses empowerment of brown folk.
    https://www.thecoconet.tv/coco-talanoa/humans-of-the-islands/women-of-the-islands-indira-stewart/
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:36am
- Nukuleka
  
  Reti should simply bypass and shut down this type of nonsense. Talent and ability are the prime focus of the National caucus, not pandering to identity politics. Don’t let media hacks set the agenda.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:21am
  - Swifty
    
    Exactly right, Nukuleka.
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:54am
- lifesgood
  
  Pah for the course. I had listened to RNZ all my life but don’t any more. Far too left wing now. Such a shame because it used to be great.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:24am
- Prince
  
  I couldn’t believe how rude and incompetent she was during that interview. But Reti was a star – handled all the rubbish questions calmly, then was explaining clearly, and in detail what National would have done differently which obviously wasn’t to Stewart’s liking.
  Stewart spends most of her allocated hour focussing on perceived racism and ‘diversity’ issues. She set up Hamish Bidwell for a rant on the Crusaders’ name prior to the Reti interview. The worst example of ‘advocacy journalism’.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:26am
  - Nickc2
    
    Just wait, come the revolution, you wont be able to tune into any radio station that doesn’t toe the Cindy line. There won’t be any!
    
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    July 16, 2020 10:30am
- Tomtoddy
  
  National MPs need to be much stronger and more decisive with these useless reporters. Tell them to take a hike when they waste time on diversity crap and similar woke nonsense.
  
  There are no votes for National among the woke crowd but there are votes to be gained by being blunt and hard nosed with brainless reporters.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:28am
- Swifty
  
  Pathetic.
  
  If time was an issue, why not have the (much more important) COVID questions at the front and leave the diversity bullshit until the end?
  
  I don’t know much of Shane Reti, but I thought he did well in this interview. Good on him.
  
  I’m over this stuff now. Way past time National MPs did their best to ‘craft a new narrative’ – in that MPs are in Parliament to represent all New Zealanders and that they assign portfolios on merit not tokenism.
  
  Unless they do this they are playing a game they can never win. I followed the Key and English years closely and there was never this scrutiny of Labour when they had a very white shadow cabinet and where National had Maori representation much greater than in the general population.
  
  The whole thing is a media beat up, a ‘Get National’ hit and National are mugs if they play along.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:36am
  - MCos
    
    He was interviewed about the border situation shortly afterwards on Morning Report.
    I think the 1st Up piece was supposed to be a ‘getting to know you’ piece.
    I don’t know why she asked him about policy.
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:29am
oldpark

As Nikki Kaye and Amy Adams cut and run out the door Judith Collins the new take no nonsense National Party Leader will have the last laugh.
She will say “Sorry to see you go”.”You two have been like Daughters to me” .”Impatient,Demanding and a bit loud and Divisive”.
Yes good on Judith Collins clearing the decks any which way . NZs in its hour of need, now that a real Leader to run the country and the well being and lifestyle of its citizens is paramount to get the country and its future in safe hands . At this time Judith Collins knows Powder and Paint will not wallpaper over the worry lines for NZs Citizens.
With her installed as NZs Real PM on 19 09 2020 at least NZ Citizens are in with a future.
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July 16, 2020 8:14am
- MCos
  
  I don’t think Collins cleared the decks. They cleared themselves, except for Woodhouse.
  
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  July 16, 2020 9:36am
Ipanema69

Ok been a while since I posted anything.

However does anyone else out there find Judith to be a real hot babe?
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July 16, 2020 8:15am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Only politically.
  
  Perigo agrees.
  
  https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2020/07/lindsay-perigo-go-crush-em-crusher.html
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:50am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Yes, a mature 5′ 10″ blonde Slovakian model in her middle phase to be fair . . .
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:52am
- tf78
  
  She’s got charisma in spades. A very good tonic for us all.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:54am
- DeepBlue
  
  It should be a while before you post again.
  
  Anyone who has followed Judith would know she is always immaculately presented and ready with the sharpest mind.
  
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  July 16, 2020 9:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I find women with a bit of flesh upon them much more attractive than walking skeletons.
  
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  July 16, 2020 9:47am
  - SB2
    
    [Deleted – Restarting the personal abuse gets you another month off. Mod.]
    
    [Mod Edit: After discussion, your ban is just for 2 weeks, with the expectation your posts in future refrain from further abusive language. End.]
    
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    July 16, 2020 5:01pm
- GazzaW
  
  @Ipanema69
  Your point being?
  
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  July 16, 2020 11:01am
BeeJay

If they’re not in it for the long haul it’s time for them to go now, and anyone else who is unhappy with the recent changes. National need to win, not spend time worrying about anyone whose not 100% committed to getting rid of the CoL clowns!
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July 16, 2020 8:17am
I remember when

I hear Duncan Garner suggesting that Amy Adams’ going, staying and then going again is being selfish.
It is an argument that can be debated from either side. Did she say she would stay for the good of the party, or was she just thinking of herself as Duncan thought?
Is it understandable for experienced politicians to come and go depending on whether they get a position they want? Is there any point in staying, if you don’t think you will be able to make a meaningful, worthwhile contribution?
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July 16, 2020 8:18am
Isobar

This loss of experience is a huge concern. We are going through the largest economic and health issue of a generation, National needs a strong team. We need a strong opposition full of people with ministerial experience. This should be a concern to everyone.

Collins and Brownlee are going to be leading a team of backbenchers shortly.

Call it wokeness or whatever, but National is strongest when it can attract talent with more than one viewpoint. Kaye and Adams by all accounts are very hard working MP’s.

Also – Auckland Central is now at major risk.
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July 16, 2020 8:18am
- tf78
  
  Unlike Labour MP’s and back bencher’s the Nats all cover most portfolios they don’t just sit there collecting a pay cheque – they actually work for our money. I’m sure there is a great selection of new eager candidates.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:58am
  - sooty
    
    Labour needed 250 working parties at our expense, because they sat on their arse supping soy lattes and scoffed arvo on toast for 9 long yrs
    
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    July 16, 2020 2:50pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Rubbish. Check how many former cabinet ministers are in the shadow cabinet. Further only a couple are first term.
  
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  July 16, 2020 10:34pm
Bykmad

National MUST get their shit together NOW!
Judith needs to ask her team “Who is in, who is out?” Those that want out, GO, Now. Those that want to be part of the team, stay and get to work, but, remember that you are a team, a united team. No leaks, no back stabbing, no stupid shit behaviour.
If you cannot commit to the Team, Go. Go now.
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July 16, 2020 8:20am
- Local Miller
  
  Maybe that’s exactly what she did, and so Amy and Nickky up and left.
  
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  July 16, 2020 9:25am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    No “maybe” about it.
    
    Collins/Brownlee is impressing so far.
    
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    July 16, 2020 11:34am
- 2ic
  
  I think it’s pretty clear that’s what’s happening.
  
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  July 16, 2020 9:32am
JibberJabber

I hope Heather hasn`t jeopardised Barrys’ seat on Airforce 1 the next time Jacinda wants to go overseas,
https://twitter.com/KAG_NightShift/status/1283331709581180928

Notice how Jacinda “Kindness” Ardern doesn`t have the decency or courtesy to congratulate Judith on her promotion, even pretended not to “know”.
Like Judith said, if someone has to tell you constantly how “nice” or “honest” they are, they probably ‘aint. (paraphrased).
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July 16, 2020 8:21am
- tf78
  
  Jibber – I emailed Heather this morning and suggested she apply for the job.
  
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  July 16, 2020 9:05am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

National needs hard tough people. The soft liberals will be gone by lunchtime. Sorry ladies, it is time to double down on Jacinda, Labour, Greens and NZF.
HTFU
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July 16, 2020 8:22am
Maggie Pie

With everything else happening around her, it was just so sad to receive Judith’s tweet yesterday that her beautiful pussy, Minnie Collins, had died 🙁
Anyone with information on what may have caused the cat’s demise, should call 0800CRIMESTOPPERS

https://twitter.com/garethmorgannz/status/1283302172994596864
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July 16, 2020 8:22am
- Jules99
  
  She just lost her lovely dog a short while back. Very sad.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:37am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Thank christ she doesn’t have young children at home.
    
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    July 16, 2020 1:51pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I looked at that tweet and then scrolled down as one does to find:
  
  Rowena Janes
  @RowenaJP
  Jul 15
  Claire Robinson just said on breakfast that Jacinda is “good at the touchy-feely stuff” but “not so good on policy detail”. I couldn’t disagree more. Jacinda’s ability to have facts and figures at her fingertips at the Beehive media briefings constantly amazed me. Go Jacinda!
  
  I am scared that these people walk among us and genuinely disturbed to consider that they may vote and reproduce.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:58am
  - Bykmad
    
    If she has all the facts and figures at her fingertips, why doesn’t she ever answer any bloody questions.
    
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    July 16, 2020 10:29am
- Scooter
  
  Paddles now Minnie, coincidence or cat conspiracy?
  
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  July 16, 2020 9:14am
Tauhei Notts

A gentleman from Taradale’s letter to the editor in this morning’s Herald was written on behalf of our Min of Finance. It read;
“Well. Bugger me. National might just win with Crusher at the helm.”
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July 16, 2020 8:24am
Frank the tank

We are finally taking our party back – good. Thank god for Judith.

Listened to Reti this morning – a hidden gem and a great backstory. No doubt there is a few more like that on the backbench.

Even if we don’t win at least i’ll be proud to vote National this time up and won’t have to hold my nose at the ballot box.

P.S. I think the puddle committed hari-kari last night – Bishop by midday?
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July 16, 2020 8:31am
- Rich Prick
  
  National does have talent rising. Labour has intersectional diversity tokens.
  
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  July 16, 2020 10:12am
- Batman
  
  @Frank, Bishop got promoted. So you’re outta luck with that dream I’m afraid
  
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  July 16, 2020 11:41am
Scooter

The arrogance of Jacinda that she doesn’t have time to think about the election, well she’d better hurry up as she now has Judith to contend with. NZ’ers have a right to know the policies of each party going into an election. I wonder if JA is hoping/planning for another lockdown so she can push out the election?
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July 16, 2020 8:35am
- kowtow
  
  Some people are speculating we’re being set up for a report of communidy outbreak . I don’t believe that .
  I think Jax is positioning herself for a GE loss and she can say it happened because all her energy was on saving us ………. Saints can only perform a limited number of miracles doncha know.
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:55am
  - Rich Prick
    
    What’s the bet Cindy puts us all in lockdown on 18 September?
    
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    July 16, 2020 10:13am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Localised lockdowns only.
      National seats locked down, Labour not locked down.
      Pretty simple really.
      
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      July 16, 2020 10:37am
      - Batman
        
        So devious it could be straight out of the GOP playbook!
        
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        July 16, 2020 11:44am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Batman – and Democrats. Both parties over there love their gerrymandering.
        
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        July 16, 2020 2:16pm
  - Ruahine
    
    Labour will try it if they think they could get away with it. Expect more dodgy dealings with border and quarantine ‘controls’.
    
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    July 16, 2020 10:53am
Bill Felt

Nikki and Amy were in the wrong party anyway!
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July 16, 2020 8:36am
Simon

Herd immunity against the Wuhan virus i.e entire populations develop antibodies.

But not the little hermit nation NZ.

Fake news is pumping the Wuhan virus for all its worth because of the US election in November.

Here in NZ fake news promotes the Wuhan virus to keep the population scared to hide the stupidity of the Wellington clown show.
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July 16, 2020 8:37am
Chuck Bird

Does anyone else have a problem accessing the National Party website?

https://www.national.org.nz/
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July 16, 2020 8:38am
- Lance
  
  No problem for me
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:43am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Lance, are you asked for a password?
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:14am
    - Batman
      
      It’s down for a refresh.
      
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      July 16, 2020 11:44am
- JB.49
  
  Nope
  
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  July 16, 2020 8:46am
- Unity
  
  Chuck you should be able to get in now. I would say they were upgrading the site with all the new information about everyone. It’s very good and no password needed.
  
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  July 16, 2020 12:07pm
- Komata
  
  Chuck@0838
  
  Yes, and still no ‘Free to view’ policy details…
  
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  July 16, 2020 6:55pm
kowtow

‘The Guardian to cut 180 jobs
The publisher is facing pressures on advertising, live events and print circulation as it battles “unsustainable financial losses” ‘

Oh dear, how sad , never mind.
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July 16, 2020 8:41am
Poppa

I thought Judith had an excellent day yesterday, shut the media down & basically owned them in a very controlled way

It will be interesting to see what happens today with the two defectors going
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July 16, 2020 8:43am
- MCos
  
  I’d have thought it’s the government that National should be ‘shutting down’, not the media.
  
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  July 16, 2020 9:44am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Newsflash – The media are the propaganda arm of the Labour Party. You have to shut them down before you can shut down Labour.
    
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    July 16, 2020 10:38am
  - Ruahine
    
    ‘media and govt’ are one and the same in NZ.
    $50 million dollars says so.
    
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    July 16, 2020 10:55am
thirteenstars

It’s early days yet, but National via Collins/Brownlee might be experiencing the Beginnings of a Never Trump movement.

Not because Collins is a Trump (though she might be viewed that way within the narrow political views of NZ voters), but because even the hint that Collins might spark a revolution within the party that causes it to move away from the Cult of Devout Centrism has got those with their snouts deep in the trough (yes, National is full of them, too, and their consultants, and their surrogates) a little nervous.

When the dust settles on National’s defeat, and if Collins survives, the so-called Right of NZ politics may indeed fracture into a larger ACT, the rump of National, and a new Centrist cult consisting of disgruntled former Nats.

I say good. National’s had it sewn up for too long. If competition in the market is good, so too is it in politics.

Funny how circles work, ain’t it?
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July 16, 2020 8:49am
Maggie Pie

Greens co-leader James Shaw tells RNZ News, “It’s better to spend $1.5b on solar panels for State Houses rather than more roads”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcmhasxXoAEqbNz?format=jpg&name=small
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July 16, 2020 8:49am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  One can drive on a road on a rainy night as they work in almost all conditions and at night . . .
  
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  July 16, 2020 9:01am
- Ruahine
  
  James does not need to be worried about such plebian modes of transport like roads when there is business class which other people pay his ilk to indulge themselves with.
  
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  July 16, 2020 10:59am
- Komata
  
  Maggie@0849
  
  Isn’t this the same James Shaw who made a very particular point of emphasising that he COULDN’T drive a motor vehicle and that he had absolutely no intention of learning to do so?
  
  If this IS the same individual, then his statement makes perfect sense.
  
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  July 16, 2020 7:01pm
I remember when

The Labour Party inclusiveness of diversity seems to be missing when it comes to important public announcements.
Apart from issues that directly affect Maori, when do we regularly see Maori Labour members except for marae visits, the annual Ratana visit and at Waitangi Day? I am of course ignoring Willie Jackson’s appearance on the AM show, which is simply for entertainment value.
It would also be interesting to see the Labour Party list for the Election compared with polulation demographics. Is it unrepresentative? Is it diversity for the sake of it?
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July 16, 2020 8:50am
lastmanstanding

Ive been thinking. So whats the “play” on Covid.

1. To keep the sheeple in a permanent state of fear without any outbreak to show how wonderful Cindy is protecting them.

2. To prepare the sheeple for outbreaks from the (cough) Kiwis returning from India Pakistan Iran etc.

Your choice?
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July 16, 2020 8:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  We are expecting an influx of folk to attend Brenton Tarrant’s sentencing.
  Our Gold-standard border control might turn out to be iron-pyritic.
  
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  July 16, 2020 9:09am
  - cmm
    
    Three huge issues not being addressed:
    
    1) The date for the sentencing is well known – 7 weeks in advance. That gives ample time for 2 weeks quarantine and travel etc. There is absolutely no reason to give these people a free pass.
    
    2) Most of these people are coming from stans which have extremely poor health reporting. The people kicking up positives in quarantine are doing so at a rate at least 10x what the official infection rate is.
    
    3) There is concern that Tarrant might use the event for some soapboxing and there is talk of him ending up being on a video link for management. If so, then all these people will travel halfway around the world to end up watching a video they could have watched from (insert stan of your choice).
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:32am
    - Batman
      
      I’m not at all convinced they’ll bring people in for it. Maybe the families from Chch but I suspect anyone overseas will be via zoom
      
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      July 16, 2020 11:46am
      - The Housekeeper
        
        You sure Batman?
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122144331/42-requests-for-international-flights-to-mosque-shooter-sentencing
        
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        July 16, 2020 12:10pm
      - Batman
        
        If they do go with that, as CMM said they have time for border isolation and imo they better bloody well do it!
        
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        July 16, 2020 1:34pm
      - RJ
        
        They do, as stated in the article
        
        All will be required to complete two weeks of managed isolation, as other international arrivals do, while New Zealand’s Covid-19 restrictions remain.
        
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        July 16, 2020 2:09pm
  - Komata
    
    MaggyW@0909
    
    An appropriate analogy methinks, especially as Pyrites are used in the manufacture of H2SO4, (with its well-documented corrosive properties) and because sulphides, due to their ‘aroma’ tend to have ‘Nether world’ associations, which may be aporopriate to the situation…
    
    Very clever Ma’am, very clever…
    
    Thank you.
    
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    July 16, 2020 7:15pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
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      July 16, 2020 9:35pm
  - Papalazarou
    
    Don’t be a fool! ?
    
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    July 16, 2020 8:18pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Hmm and how many family members will try to stay rather than return to covid-central?
  
  Instant refugee status as sending them back to danger would breach their human rights.
  
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  July 16, 2020 9:42am
  - Jack5
    
    Of course. Already there have been special permanent visa arrangements for family members of anyone who was at the mosque shootings.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12224692
    
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    July 16, 2020 11:28am
I remember when

Newshub: “Kiwi coronavirus test could end need for border quarantine and isolation.”
Except the article doesn’t do anything except mention what they are trying to achieve.
Another we are at the coalface of controlling coronavirus item.
Perhaps it should have said, how MBIE is spending $250,000 of our money.
What are the chances of success?
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July 16, 2020 9:08am
Batman

As always, it’s the trend and not the headline of an individual poll that matters (full thread of results at link):

https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/1283506634514468864?s=19
The major headlines from our new NBC News/Wall Street poll:

1. Biden leads Trump nationally by 11pts among registered voters

Biden 51%
Trump 40%

(Was Biden 49%, Trump 42% last month)
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July 16, 2020 9:08am
- cmm
  
  Polls mean less and less each election.
  
  They were useless in 2016 and since then the incentive for Trump supporters to identify as such has decreased.
  
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  July 16, 2020 9:38am
  - Batman
    
    They weren’t useless for what they predicted. As someone said yesterday, the analysis was dumb given it was only a 2-3 point gap in 2016.
    
    The polls were within the margin of error for the popular vote.
    
    Yes Trump voters may not say so in a poll (why? Given how proud they all seem) but Biden has better nett approval and overall approval figures than Hillary ever did. So more people are coming out against Trump even if he gets the same figures as 2016.
    
    This time, they’re 2-3x the margin of error. Even Florida is looking like it could be a possible Biden win.
    
    You win Florida and you only need one of the other states that Trump flipped in ’16 and it’ll be game over, hello President Biden.
    
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    July 16, 2020 11:57am
  - doggone7
    
    That Trump can purloin the media for a Presidential conference which turned out to be an election campaign speech, then be so bizarre while doing it and still be relatively handy in the polls, he has a chance.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo0b–9zDjE
    
    I check this poll site most days:
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/
    
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    July 16, 2020 2:02pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  As always, it’s those with TDS that push their agenda. I really don’t understand why you care – do you genuinely believe those who see Biden for the senile old fool he is, and who distrust any poll except the election itself, are going to have a Road to Damascus moment, and start barracking for Biden?
  
  Fantasy – it won’t happen. Let’s see what the election result is come November. I bet you a chocolate fish Sleepy Joe doesn’t win.
  
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  July 16, 2020 11:00am
  - Batman
    
    Oh I enjoy your indignant responses, Lodden!
    
    Trump Boomers are such a delicious snowflake snack that it’s too easy.
    
    Plus there’s the added bonus on knowing I am dealing entirely with known facts as opposed to hyped up bullshit.
    
    Since nobody dared take my $500 bet that Clinton wouldn’t run or be the nominee, how about $100 that says Trump will lose? (Lowering the stakes as it’s a 60/40 race at this point. I’m game but not silly haha)
    
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    July 16, 2020 11:51am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      But you’re not dealing in facts, are you Batman? You’re dealing in opinions, and opinions are like arseholes – everybody’s got one. Only a fool would state that a consensus of polls means that it’s a known fact that Biden will win. How did that work out for Hillary last time?
      
      How did it work out for Bill Shorten, Jeremy Corbyn and Neil Kinnock?
      
      There’s only one poll that counts, and that’s on Tuesday 3 November. I’m happy to keep the bet to a chocolate fish (I’ll pay up if Biden wins, and expect you to do the same). I’d be happy to bet any dollar amount you choose, but don’t take me for a mug and offer even money. If your man’s a 6-4 favourite, offer me 6 – 4 odds and name your price.
      
      PS I enjoy the debate too
      
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      July 16, 2020 1:02pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Happy to contribute to your chocolate fish fund.
        
        Also, opinions are more like armpits; everybody’s got two, and the audience can’t decide which smells worse.
        
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        July 16, 2020 5:24pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Have not seen Trump this far behind in the polls since he won in 2016
    
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    July 16, 2020 2:49pm
  - theoldbloke
    
    It will all come down to who Biden selects as his VP.
    Because statistically speaking they will become the next POTUS.
    
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    July 16, 2020 6:04pm
Maggie Pie

Did anyone else notice just how ‘animated’ the Maori signing-guy was standing behind Jacinda on TV3 News last night? He was amazing.
Although as my partner remarked, “…wouldn’t be much use if you didn’t speak Te Reo”
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July 16, 2020 9:12am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, why sub titles aren’t used instead of an off putting actor amazes me; the viewer is drawn to the inset (or beside) oration mimer instead of the speaker. It is interesting that in the US the White House press conference doesn’t have any miming.
  
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  July 16, 2020 11:00am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    NZ Sign language is an “official” language–a primary means of the PM’s communications. It save her translating Kindyspeak into English.
    
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    July 16, 2020 12:41pm
    - Local Miller
      
      Is Kindyspeak also and official language now?
      
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      July 16, 2020 4:00pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        It has restricted age approval.
        
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        July 16, 2020 5:36pm
[email protected]

Tower Insurance denied a claim on a Ute The Ute owners car insurance policy said that it was covered “Anywhere in New Zealand”. The insurance was denied because the ute was travelling on private property and was “not on a public road”.

Hi Tower Insurance.

So “Anywhere in New Zealand” does not mean “Anywhere in New Zealand”! I guess that “Anywhere in New Zealand” actually means “Anywhere in New Zealand, except on Mondays, Tuesdays, Weddbnesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays”.

You should update your policy wording accordingly.
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July 16, 2020 9:30am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Insurance ombudsman.
  
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  July 16, 2020 10:57am
  - Tall Man
    
    In the wording …..
    
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    July 16, 2020 11:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Small Claims Court.
  
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  July 16, 2020 12:43pm
WaveyDavey

While we’re all obsessing over the relative trivia of party leadership right now, this snuck under the radar:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/andrew-little-says-new-zealand-won-t-follow-uk-s-huawei-5g-ban.html

So Huawei is fine to run (or have access to) the backbone of NZ’s 5g network is it?

Four-eyes and a squint it is then as nobody important will trust us with sensitive information in the future. Seriously who thinks giving China a backdoor to, well, everything is a fantastic idea?
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July 16, 2020 9:39am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Idiots like Little, and that’s being charitable. I have no reason to suspect the CCP of applying pressure in any of the various ways that – say, for example – trade unions might engage in.
  
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  July 16, 2020 10:56am
  - kowtow
    
    I have no doubt that the CCP are more than avid followers of the very wise Sun Tsu .
    
    “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
    
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    July 16, 2020 12:09pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      So many good ones. I also like “never interrupt the enemy when he’s making a mistake”
      
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      July 16, 2020 6:57pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        “A pat on the back is only a few vertebrae away from a kick up the arse”.
        
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        July 16, 2020 7:52pm
DeepBlue

Auckland Central: Lee or Goldsmith. Maybe Fyfe?
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July 16, 2020 10:00am
Maggy Wassilieff

Sir Toke Talagi, ex-premier Niue, died in Niue yesterday after being flown back from Auckland Hosp.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/pacific/421272/former-niue-premier-sir-toke-talagi-dies-after-lengthy-illness

I had vaguely known him when we were both studying at Massey.

I didn’t know that he had had a heart transplant in 1992…. so had managed to survive 28 years after that op.
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July 16, 2020 10:02am
Maggie Pie

Malaysian Coastguard are reporting they have detained 90 Victorians after intercepting an Inflatable off the coast of Langkawi.
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July 16, 2020 10:11am
- RJ
  
  Yeah, you’d think they would dress a bit better to fit in
  
  Photo from their arrest
  
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  July 16, 2020 10:16am
- Nickc2
  
  Good one Maggie.
  
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  July 16, 2020 11:18am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  If that was a serious report 🙂 I’d be taking the Malaysian Coastguard seriously. When I was in that neck of the woods, they were remarkable for two things…
  
  1. Always being responsive to MRCC calls; to the point where some skippers would actually cross into Malaysian waters because they knew they would get help compared to – well, let’s just say, other neighbours
  2. They don’t hesitate to mix it with the ChiComs’ intruder vessels, who get a bit used to not being facedown when they cross into other people’s waters. Manila / Jakarta, talking about you.
  
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  July 16, 2020 5:22pm
GazzaW

Two highly qualified Maori on the National front bench in Shane Reti and Simon Bridges compared to one ‘token’ in Kelvin Davies. Who was talking about a lack of diversity last week?
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July 16, 2020 10:23am
- KevO'Brien
  
  With Maori it comes down to Tribal affiliations and associated mana.
  
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  July 16, 2020 12:45pm
- fernglas
  
  The interesting thing on this diversity question is whether you should have diversity that represents your country as a whole or diversity that represents the people who vote for you. If it was the latter, Labour would be significantly underendowed compared to National
  
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  July 16, 2020 12:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Isn’t it strange how the Media was never interested in the fact that the Nats had 2 Maori at the helm of the Opposition a couple of months ago.
  
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  July 16, 2020 12:54pm
  - RJ
    
    Oh that was so last week, now it is omg there are only two woman in the top 10
    
    Just two women in National’s top 10 after Kaye and Adams depart
    
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    July 16, 2020 2:05pm
Durden

Here is something to think about. Trump aged 74 has been facing constant criticism and undermining from the Democrats, inside his own party, his own administration and all and sundry around the world like our own selected Ms Nobody and the sissy Tru’doh’

While mental issues affect different people differently, old man Trump has survived for the full term, giving as good as he got, while the pressure got to our 54 year old recently resigned leader within 53 days. All those people in the media here and the SJW, who claim to be “woke” and “Kind”, while stabbing and turning the knife into Trump everyday in the main stream and social media every day show no such qualities.

So I am happy to see the other millennial like wets and sensitive petals like Amy Adams and Nikki Kaye from the National party cut and run.

Compare them to some one like Judith Collins who has outlived the lot of them and Gerry Brownlee it is a no-contest.

I do admire Bridges’ bottle though. He front-footed and stared down the traitorous Jamie-Lee Ross’ treachery and also when he moved quickly and flushed out the plotters in the May coup. He should probably be shadow Justice Minister against the hapless Andy Little. He has a future. But not as a leader, despite his capabilities (seeing off Peters), unless he can sort out his biggest public persona turn-off – his ponderous manner and “marbles in his mouth” diction which makes him sound like a pompous slow-wit.
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July 16, 2020 10:31am
Loddenthinks

How good was Collins when announcing her reshuffle and fielding the media questions? If you didn’t see it, I can tell you she was absolutely masterful. Batted away any difficult questions with ease, almost charmed the media, got to everyone, was clear, direct, good-natured, not flustered, never raised her voice, had quick answers for everything without sounding glib. It was a master-class, and and everyone now realises Ardern is in deep doo-doo.

Link here – watch it https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/national-party-live-updates-mps-prepare-for-judith-collins-reshuffle-as-nikki-kaye-amy-adams-quit.html
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July 16, 2020 10:48am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’ve just clicked on your link… and there’s a video interview of Jacinda Ardern embedded at the start……even tho’ the headline remains the same.
  
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  July 16, 2020 11:03am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    The swines!
    
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    July 16, 2020 1:05pm
    - sooty
      
      That’s what 50 million get you!
      
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      July 16, 2020 3:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Good Grief…

For the last 50 years, our environmental experts have been warning us of the Human population bomb

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/book-incited-worldwide-fear-overpopulation-180967499/

Now, it appears Humanity could disappear in a couple of hundred years because some folks have stopped breeding.

“If you can’t [find a solution] then eventually the species disappears, but that’s a few centuries away.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521
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July 16, 2020 10:58am
SB2

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From a review of Mary Trump’s book , “Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man”.

Some examples of Trump’s “toxic positivity “described by Mary Trump in respect of the coronavirus,

“We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”

“We’re going to be, pretty soon, at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time.”

“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

As recently as last week, even as the US kept shattering its own record for new daily infections, Donald Trump insisted the country was “in a good place” and its numbers were only rising so fast because there was so much testing. “

There is much, much more.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12348357

Speaks to us volumes about the state of mind of his unquestioning supporters both in the US and here in NZ
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July 16, 2020 11:12am
- Inandout
  
  Yes SB2, and a cousin and Auntie of Trump said he was an OK guy. But seriously, did any of Obama’s extended family make any comments? Barry and Michelle had a dodgy side, they all do.
  
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  July 16, 2020 12:12pm
  - virtualmark
    
    “Barry and Michelle had a dodgy side, they all do”.
    
    Details, or it didn’t happen.
    
    Obama had 8 years of highly partisan Republican opposition research, and yet I can’t think of any mud that even looked like sticking to him. No scandals. Nothing.
    
    Sure, sure, your QAnon fever dreams … honestly, seek help and effective medication.
    
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    July 16, 2020 4:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hey idiot. The Dow Jones is nearly at 27000. That is the only indicator you need to know
  
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  July 16, 2020 2:52pm
SB2

Some of Mary Trumps points in her recent book regarding her Uncle’s handling of the virus and his “ toxic positivity “ ( inherited from his Dad ) are reinforced here ,

Trump’s 7 worst statements on the coronavirus outbreak

The president has misled the public on the number of testing kits, the virus’s death rate, and a possible vaccine.,

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/13/21176535/trumps-worst-statements-coronavirus
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July 16, 2020 11:19am
kwkiwigirl

How come the ferals that shot that poor young police officer, in cold blood, can get name suppression? Like the Millane case the offenders in NZ seem to have more rights than the victim. This country is pathetic when it comes to rights of obvious offenders.
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July 16, 2020 11:42am
- Batman
  
  Probably facing other charges that are under investigation.
  
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  July 16, 2020 1:33pm
Tauhei Notts

I have been tracking the bookie’s odds on the American Presidential election. Trump’s favouritism reached a high between February 7th to 18th. It has declined ever since. Biden is now more favoured than Trump was back in February.
I find that a bit sad. That election has attracted more than $80mil in matched bets, so there is a few bob at stake. The market for our election is too small to have much significance, but interestingly, National’s chances have weakened this week which is very surprising.
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July 16, 2020 12:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Could the reason 50% of those who have been shot with sponge bullets are Maori simply be because those folks chose to arm themselves and threaten other people.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/421320/sponge-bullets-fired-at-maori-in-more-than-half-of-incidents-police-data

What else are the cops meant to do?
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July 16, 2020 12:08pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, you know the old saying about ‘softly, softly’….
  
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  July 16, 2020 12:13pm
  - sooty
    
    Yer, carry a big stick!
    
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    July 16, 2020 3:06pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  “Could the reason 50% of those who have been shot with sponge bullets are Maori……..”
  
  I have another theory.
  
  https://i.imgflip.com/48ej5u.jpg
  
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  July 16, 2020 1:09pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Yes unbelievable in Red radio and even newstalk zb news today how only one brief mention of that fact: the perps were armed. The police had no choice.
  
  But no, no: it’s all because of ‘raaaaycism’. So what about lack of sponge bullet shooting women? Surely can’t have anything to to with perps’ gender, eh Msm?
  
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  July 16, 2020 1:58pm
JibberJabber

Lol, Trotters’ having a conniption on the Twatter,
https://twitter.com/BowalleyRoad/status/1283469444140818432
Dear God! Judith Collins is already over 20 percent in the Preferred PM stakes! It’s now officially time for the Left to be scared – very scared.
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July 16, 2020 12:38pm
JibberJabber

Das ‘erald, still obsessed with the Key Family,
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12348416
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July 16, 2020 12:43pm
- lifesgood
  
  Jealousy cuts deep.
  
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  July 16, 2020 5:32pm
Durden

“WorkSafe has filed charges following an investigation into a gas explosion in a house in Marble Court, Northwood, Christchurch.”

But the bigger story is that a normal hardworking person, the honest gas tradesman who fronted immediately.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12348525

“Shortly after the explosion, a gas contractor who had worked at a house the day before arrived at the chaotic scene and made himself known to police officers.

The gas worker spoke to first responders at the scene and voluntarily made himself known, suggesting that police or fire investigators might want to talk to him. He was devastated by what happened, sources told the Herald.”

Isn’t it great that there are still individuals who have the honesty and self respect to take responsibility and front up. Compare that to our government employees and ministers who, when equally and obviously culpable, duck for cover or try to blame someone else or “the system” when they cause more significant damage to people or put more people at risk. They simply hide behind their enquiries and collective responsibility. Andrew Little and his cavalier handling and cover up of Pike River risks while being the union rep there comes to mind. As do the Minister and officials who under their watch released Covid positive quarantine candidates into the public to drive from Auckland to Wellington.

The difference between true Kiwis and the perpetual troughers who are paid by the hard working kiwis is stark.
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July 16, 2020 12:46pm
barnacle bill

What I would think will happen under a Collins led Government.

Firstly , The removal of the RMA.
Then from that-
Any restrictions on dairy farming on the Canterbury Plains and the Mackenzie Basin will be removed , the result of that will be many more thousands of cows in these areas, with a corresponding pollution increase-

The reopening of Oil Drilling-
Coal mining on the West Coast will be all go-
As will selective felling of Native Forests in all of the countries national parks.-
Allowing many more people to immigrate into NZ, mainly from China-
That will result in a far greater housing shortage than we already have.

And a greater emphasis on rural water storage, which wont be a bad thing.
The raising of the Superannuation retirement age, with not a long led in time, like 15 year time frame.
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July 16, 2020 1:10pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Interesting points. But to use the Taiwan proverb – “One bowl of snail, nine bowls of soup.”
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  “Firstly , The removal of the RMA.”
  
  It will be replaced with fit for purpose urban planning law – something that has long been proposed by Productivity Commission.
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  “Any restrictions on dairy farming on the Canterbury Plains and the Mackenzie Basin will be removed ”
  
  That would be the job of Environment Canterbury, so NO – not going to happen.
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  “The reopening of Oil Drilling-”
  
  If you mean offshore exploration, then no sadly, that horse has bolted thanks to the current Government.
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  “Coal mining on the West Coast will be all go”
  
  Good
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  “As will selective felling of Native Forests in all of the countries national parks.-”
  
  No
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  “Allowing many more people to immigrate into NZ, mainly from China-
  That will result in a far greater housing shortage than we already have.”
  
  NO – and the irony – wasn’t the current government supposed to fix immigration and cure the housing shortage?
  
  I would like to see government target small numbers highly skilled Taiwanese, South Africans and Hong Kongers. Indian students can get out.
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  “And a greater emphasis on rural water storage, which wont be a bad thing.”
  
  This should be decided by markets.
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  “The raising of the Superannuation retirement age, with not a long led in time, like 15 year time frame.”
  
  Good
  
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  July 16, 2020 2:01pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    Well, well Benedict .
    
    What was it said about the RMA ?
    
    Collins has just said ” the RMA will be gone by lunch time ”
    So now all my predictions re that , she could do what she wished then.
    
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    July 16, 2020 3:13pm
- kowtow
  
  Why not chuck in :
  
  Introduce Roman Catholicism as the state religion .
  
  You know you want to .
  
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  July 16, 2020 2:30pm
RRM

GUYS

This Standard thread of tongue-in-cheek suggestions for shit National should do to win the election.
https://thestandard.org.nz/what-could-national-do-to-win/

They think they’re making a diss tape and it’s genuine, wall to wall 18k gold:

Muttonbird:
7. Release Coronavirus into the New Zealand population.

AB:
Promise Waco-style siege and destruction of gang headquarters – helicopters, armoured cars, bazookas, flame-throwers, grenades, fleeing gang members gunned down on suburban streets, reporters bashed and shunted aside by anonymous, helmeted police, thick black smoke with Collins’cackling laugh broadcast over loudspeakers.

roblogic:
Claim to “fight for your rights”, and attack cancel culture, woke identity politics in general (without going into specifics) to frame themselves as the party of freedom and democracy vs the totalitarian tendencies of the Left

Attack “red tape” like the RMA, OSH, minimum wage, as a way to boost businesses and get people working again. Frame themselves as the party of hard work and enterprise vs the lazy Left that sleeps in ’til noon

Claim to “optimise” Labour’s border control measures by talking about a 3-day quarantine and strict contact tracing.

Yes it’s all bullshit but National has nothing to lose.

Anker:
labour must remind people of their faultless covid response and the resulting V recovery to the economy. I think Jacinda thinks very well on her feet and can hold her own in a debate.
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July 16, 2020 1:30pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “I think Jacinda thinks very well on her feet and can hold her own in a debate.”
  ??
  
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  July 16, 2020 2:02pm
  - RJ
    
    With a nice ear piece in she can. She is a mess in question time. The good thing is she quite often got close to losing it in question time against Simon, then Simon would stop and let her off. Judith won’t do that, she will smell blood and keep going
    
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    July 16, 2020 4:09pm
  - Two bob
    
    hardly heard a debate she either changes the subject or dosent answer just irrelevant jibberish.
    
    collins is going to mop the floor with her when the live debates happen.
    
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    July 16, 2020 5:55pm
    - Komata
      
      Two bob@1755
      
      So Trevor can expect to be very busy ‘protecting’ the SLG then?
      
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      July 16, 2020 7:29pm
- trout
  
  Our ‘V’ recovery is looking more like an ‘L’ recovery every day.
  
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  July 16, 2020 3:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

PM and the Deputy PM of NZ singing from different song sheets again….

PM Jacinda Ardern distances Govt from NZ First Leader Winston Peters’ Rio Tinto buy-out comments
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12348539
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July 16, 2020 1:40pm
Benedict Yu

“The Prime Minister added that the Government stepping in, in the way suggested by Peters, “wasn’t the nature of the conversation that was had with leaders here [in Southland] today”.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12348539

Looks like Southland is going to ‘transitioined’ just like Taranaki.

All that electricity is useless without the smelter. So why not set up a SOE to take over the smelter and give it the electricity on a cost recovery basis only. If it is unprofitable after 2 years shut it down. If it is profitable, privatise it through a float to New Zealanders.

Better idea than dopey ideas for ‘transitioning’ Southland.

BTW how can someone with a communications degree mangle the language like this: “”wasn’t the nature of the conversation that was had “”
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July 16, 2020 1:41pm
- Batman
  
  Benedict have you gone all Cunliffe/Corbyn left wing on us?
  
  Or perhaps Winston First circa 1975?
  
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  July 16, 2020 1:43pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I recognise the cognitive dissonance 🙂
    
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    July 16, 2020 1:52pm
- Two bob
  
  yup im sure we can import bauxite at a competive rate. hahaha yea right itll be at the mercy of rio tinto again!!! bend over nz and hope you got some vaseline
  
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  July 16, 2020 6:02pm
greybeard

The Sean Plunket / Judith Collins interview on Magic Talk just now was superb.
I bet that was the highest-rating program they have had !
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July 16, 2020 2:57pm
RJ

Be interesting to see what ends up happening with tv3 and bravo, as it is Discovery that are in talks to buy it

NZ Herald
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July 16, 2020 3:18pm
RJ

Bloody hell, this on top of the police survey company yesterday.

More than 31,000 images of people’s passports and drivers’ licences have been leaked by a Wellington property management company.

According to CyberNews, Vadix Solutions security researcher Jake Dixon discovered an unsecured database which contained the personal files.

Stuff
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July 16, 2020 3:28pm
Maggie Pie

O.M.G. 😀
Just heard JC being grilled by Shorn Plunkett on Magic. What a lady!
Answered every question with out hesitation and left no one in any doubt where she stood, or what she stands for.
Quick witted, intellibent, articulate, sounds like someone you would like as a fried. Very similar to myself in many respects. Jacinda will be quaking in her Allbirds.
JC Superstar!!
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July 16, 2020 3:43pm
- RJ
  
  Not sure, I kinda like fried chicken, but not sure I’d like fried Judith.
  
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  July 16, 2020 3:45pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes I agree – John Key was good at that but Judith is better – you know exactly what she means.
  
  Read a transcript of Jacinda’s interviews. They are utterly incomprehensible.
  
  Here is her being interviewed by Hosking on the Labour Party sexual assualt allegations. Brace yourself.
  
  “(Sucks in breath) Ahh… again, just for the sake of clarity here, Mike, there’s obviously still contested information in…in facts in this case, which is why I’ve… I’ve created now a space where complainants can ultimately be heard. But also, we’ll look at ourselves and what the Labour Party knew and what it should have been doing ahh… in light of the information it had.
  
  For the sake of ah… answering the question you’ve just asked me though, we’ve been very clear on this and what was published in the Spinoff, the claim that someone, ah, went to the Labour Party and claimed that they had been um… ahh… sexually assaulted are very serious allegations documented there I was never aware of that. Ah… of course, there were ah… some five weeks prior, ah, many reporting ah… around ah… whether or not ah… issues of ah… ah… a sexual nature or of a serious allegations, ah, were reported in the media um… we’ve been very open about that point in time, where that was raised and I asked questions directly of the Labour party um… made it very clear that if this was what the Labour Party was being told they should not be investigating. Got answers from them that I have to say in hindsight I was… am not satisfied with, but we brought in a QC at that point in time…”
  
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  July 16, 2020 4:01pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    As my partner just suggested….”Try saying that without moving your lips”
    
    LOL!!
    
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    July 16, 2020 4:50pm
  - lifesgood
    
    And the transcript doesn’t include the head waggling, the false smiles and the condescending tone. She is hopelessly out of her death and now has a formidable foe. Bring it on Judith!
    
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    July 16, 2020 5:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is all Donald Trump’s fault.
https://twitter.com/theunitedspot1/status/1283451176478900224?s=21&fbclid=IwAR33nw2W_u2lpXxO0mYoXIzAwYe6FnXEnQp9oo1nBumNV5Yuvtn6GzcjybA
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July 16, 2020 4:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Meanwhile Al Bundy the best shoe salesman in the World, took the shoes out of Nike boxes and replaced them with working boots //
  
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  July 16, 2020 4:32pm
- SB2
  
  Steve Otto(North Shore), could well be traced back to given his inept handling of the Covid pandemic
  
  Re my posts at 11.12 and 11,19am
  
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  July 16, 2020 5:09pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Did he? Did your Queen Jacinda?
    
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    July 16, 2020 5:50pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Dumb prick.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBlyh96yL7Q&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3FyMs2xqCDabihkovBPQ_whCyoS9xozeiY8z5si0CHkYDHz6jSsrSYjT4
    
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    July 16, 2020 5:52pm
Aunty

The Coronavirus situation in Melbourne is not looking too good. I assume they are bracing themselves for the hospitalisations and deaths that will start to manifest there in the coming weeks? 20 – 30 dead over the next month would be my best guess.

And the failure of the Swedish experiment becomes more apparent every day. If we had adopted their foolish approach, we would have had 2,800 deaths by now with no end to it in sight. If, as the actual data shows is correct, and I have no reason to believe that it isn’t, only around 10-15% of Swedes have so far been infected. Not only is this far short of what is required to achieve herd immunity, but it also implies that the final death toll in Sweden maybe around 25,000 to 35,000 people before a vaccine is found.

I hope for their sake that they will be revising their hamfisted approach and introducing stricter protocols around social distancing, mass gatherings,facemask wearing and lockdowns to bring both the number of infections and deaths down.
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July 16, 2020 5:08pm
- All_on_Red
  
  You’re talking a lot of rubbish
  https://realclimatescience.com/2020/07/new-video-two-paths-to-herd-immunity/
  
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  July 16, 2020 6:44pm
Tall Man

Absolute rubbish.

You, like may others, assume we have a similar demographic as Sweden. We do not.

We do not have massive immigrant enclaves where all health protocols are ignored. We do not have the same exposure to those immigrants in elder care facilities nor do we have multi story slums/ghettos.

We also have vastly more vitamin D.

Masks work when you are infected and unless properly utilised do nothing. How many people do you know who have had covid?
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July 16, 2020 5:31pm
- Aunty
  
  Unlike you, Tall man, I have not been wrong on this epidemic once. You can live in denial and fantasy as much as you like, but that doesn’t change the biology of this virus or the pandemic that it causes which exists independently of you and your ability to understand it!
  
  By the way, we have a huge immigrant community in this country where many of the health protocols are ignored. It’s called South Auckland. And God help us if COVID gets established there!
  
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  July 16, 2020 5:57pm
  - Tall Man
    
    22 deaths from covid, although all had other serious illnesses. 35 deaths in 2010 from the h1n1 flu with a lockdown so minimal you obviously missed it.
    
    Not one of you covid worriers can suggest an exit strategy so NZ can get back into the world. Ardern will run out of money eventually then she’ll come for what you have.
    
    No, you’ve not been right all along and you’re not right now.
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:26pm
  - MCos
    
    I live in South Auckland.
    During Level 4 the people around here took the same precautions as everywhere else. The Counties-Manukau DHB is 6th in number of virus cases despite the airport with all the workers being in this area.
    
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    July 16, 2020 9:31pm
greybeard

I have a basic Nokia cellphone.
Of what use is this Govt-promoted CV-19 “App” to me ?
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July 16, 2020 6:12pm
- RJ
  
  I’ve not bothered to download it and have yet to see a shop that is using it
  
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  July 16, 2020 6:22pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Agenda Adern, first soldiers enforcing mandatory tests, and then soldiers enforcing mandatory Gates vaccine, coming your way!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1-yPs48O00

But hang on, isn’t the “virus” over?
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