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Te Rauparaha

Another week of coronavirus panic. Another week’s excuse to skive off and wreck the economy so Cindy and Robbo can ‘save’ us.

I have come to accept that a significant portion of the population of the West are quite content to stay isolated or at home for the rest of their f&^%ing lives!!!
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August 1, 2020 8:07am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes. I asked a colleague yesterday how long she was willing to stay locked up. She said ‘years if necessary’. I asked her if she had children, grandchildren, friends, family, or business in any other country. And of course the answer was “no”
  
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  August 1, 2020 9:56am
  - MCos
    
    You asked me the same question yesterday.
    I would suggest nobody is stopping most people leaving the country. The problem is finding a way to get out & that isn’t going to be solved by anything our government does.
    Getting back is another issue.
    
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    August 1, 2020 10:56am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “I would suggest nobody is stopping most people leaving the country.”
      
      I can visit Taiwan but I also have family in Australia.
      
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      August 1, 2020 12:01pm
  - Scooter
    
    Apart from mum and dad etc who may want to go on holiday especially after winter/xmas, this will have a major impact on companies who rely on overseas travel for business and a flow on effect to those in corporate travel agencies.
    
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    August 1, 2020 5:35pm
- igm
  
  A significant part of our population you mention will be tired lazy leeching lefties too tired to get of bed and do a day’s work.
  Ardern and Greens appeal to these deadbeats and silly buggers like us are going to be screwed to the wall keeping the treacherous vermin.
  
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  August 1, 2020 9:57am
- yossarian
  
  This was telling when we came out of level 4 and 3. There were so many that were quite happy to stay longer at those levels. Obviously most were either public servants or employees, none would have been business owners.
  
  I’m afraid that an understanding of economics is very low amongst most of the population. Who the @#$& was paying for them to stay at home doing nothing?
  
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  August 1, 2020 1:30pm
- Observer of Life
  
  Yep, I just don’t get it. I can only put it down to Stockholm Syndrome!!
  
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  August 1, 2020 5:01pm
Humble Capitalist

Which electorate is Tova standing in this year or is she list only?
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August 1, 2020 8:08am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  She is number 10 on Labour list.
  
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  August 1, 2020 10:29am
  - Boxing junkie
    
    She is an opportunistic shock jock, but she doesn’t have any alligience to Labour. She would just as happily attack Labour as National. National just happen to be giving her more to work with at the moment (leadership coups, blunders, Boag, Walker, Falloon, and low polls).
    
    Also, being that Labour are more popular right now, they are a more difficult target. John Key had an easy ride through the media for years while Labour was constantly trashed.
    
    Tova is out for Tova. If she thinks she can earn a meal off attacking Labour she certainly takes it.
    
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    August 1, 2020 11:26am
    - Tricati
      
      O’Brian is the typical tabloid shrill, that masquerades as a journalist – she clearly only works on ‘what’s in it for me’ principle.
      
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      August 1, 2020 1:00pm
      - Boxing junkie
        
        Exactly. Unlike Hosking who considers the greater good of the National party in his journalism.
        
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        August 1, 2020 2:24pm
      - IC5000
        
        So Hosking is a propagandist masquerading as a journalist. Good of you to admit that.
        
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        August 1, 2020 3:00pm
JibberJabber

OMG, has Trump cancelled the Election yet??
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August 1, 2020 8:11am
- thirteenstars
  
  No, but he’s issued an executive order to make himself King of Americaland, and he’ll have a big golden crown with a flashing TRUMP sign on top.
  
  Tell everyone. We can’t let him get away with it.
  
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  August 1, 2020 10:03am
  - Tall Man
    
    Just like cindy…… ?
    
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    August 1, 2020 10:40am
    - igm
      
      No one is as bad as her, virtue signalling and all.
      
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      August 1, 2020 10:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Why all the downticks? That satire is hilarious!
    
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    August 1, 2020 1:49pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      Many Kiwis don’t do satire, or irony. Dying art, I’m afraid.
      
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      August 1, 2020 2:34pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Lefties – all born without a sense of humour. Worst of all, you can not explain humour to them – they just go pan faced and look at you like you have 3 heads
        
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        August 1, 2020 3:42pm
      - sooty
        
        We have a shitload of sad sack comedian’s aswell!
        
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        August 1, 2020 9:42pm
- Nickc2
  
  He doesn’t have the authority to cancel or delay according to Fox News. The whole cancel thing is a beat up by the Democrats.
  
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  August 1, 2020 11:41am
mark15

I’m off to Noel Leemings today to either get my new fridge or my money back.
I’m taking bets.
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August 1, 2020 8:14am
- marleybob
  
  Noel leeming are a joke, I bought a new clothes dryer off them in May, finaly got it 7 weeks later, I rang them several times but will not answer. Their customer care is none existent. I’ll never buy off them again.
  
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  August 1, 2020 11:00am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I’ve found them to be consistently excellent, over many years and many purchases.
    
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    August 2, 2020 12:17am
artemisia

Point of Order (the consistently helpful trough monitor) tells us there is a PGF handout events centre. Can anyone join the invite list? Could be fun.

Take a note of this email address, dear reader. The right approach to Events could result in your being invited to an occasion where Winston Peters, Shane Jones, Fletcher Tabuteau or one of their esteemed and oh-so-generous colleagues announces another handout from the Provincial Growth Fund.
Who knew it? The PGF management bunch have their own Events Centre for organising this sort of thing.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2020/07/31/the-pgf-trough-managers-we-learn-have-their-own-events-centre-and-some-lucky-people-were-invited-to-watch-winston-in-action/
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August 1, 2020 8:17am
Tomtoddy

There is an unsurprising amount of pessimism among what appears to be longstanding National supporters about the outcome of the election. It is hard to avoid the reality of the polls and the continuing unhealthy bias in the media toward Ardern and Labour.

However, there is a strong case for believing that the actual election campaign could change the numbers quite quickly.

1. It is only a few short months ago that National were polling in the mid to high 40’s.
2. Despite multiple small trips there was no major reason for their loss of support that was of their own making.
3. The heavy lifting in any Cabinet is done by an inner circle of 5 or 6 big hitters and person for person National is streets better. But can they get enough exposure?
4. It is going to dawn on a growing number of voters that it takes more than a daily stand up repeating the numbers to get the country through the next 3 years. Labour, helped by the media will keep exploiting Ardern’s performance during lockdown as the nation’s main asset but such a backward focus leaves National room to look back to the first 2 years of failure and underperformance when there was governing to do.
5. Campaigns tend to be presidential and focus on leaders only – National cannot win such a campaign in the time left but they can win on a team versus team, governing record versus governing record campaign. It will depend on how clever National is at dictating the themes.
6. The gap in the polls is not as big as it appears. As few as 5 – 6% of voters who moved to Labour are hardly committed. They are in the ‘easy go, easy come’ category. They will determine the election.
7. National have to keep wooing the centre. Act is covering their right flank thanks to Seymour’s improving performance. Collins must prove to centre NZ she is the better equipped team leader.
8. The Greens at 4.9% would be ideal but I suspect they will just creep home based on votes from offshore.
9. The real economy is heavily masked by subsidies to wage earners and businesses and will be till the end of the year. The cash is sloshing around giving an appearance of “we are OK” but underneath it is a nightmare of debt and slowing business. Can National get that message out?
10. The more experienced and wiser Collins can expose a shallow and poorly equipped Ardern – there is still time but it will be close.
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August 1, 2020 8:19am
- artemisia
  
  The real economy might be masked at a macro level, but there will be plenty of households knowing their jobs are at high risk, and soon. Those households have children, mortgages or rent to pay, HP, overdrafts – expenses based on their previous income and lifestyle. The jobseeker benefit is not going to touch the sides.
  
  Who will they vote for?
  
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  August 1, 2020 8:30am
  - Paulus
    
    They will vote Labour as his wife tells him as Ardern will throw money at them to do stuff all for the summer at least.
    Happy days.
    
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    August 1, 2020 11:09am
  - lifesgood
    
    What I find maddening is the number of staunch Nat supporters wandering around saying “We won’t win” For goodness sake! Stop drinking the completely biased medias Kool Aid and start spouting “We are going to win” instead. Negativity begets negativity. It was the same with the naysayers over Bridges who, by the way, I supported. Labour were out to get him from the start and too many Nats took Labour’s side. I am a fan of Judith, though, and I am barracking for her loud and clear.
    
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    August 1, 2020 12:39pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Too right; it’s not over until the fat lady sings, presuming one is still allowed to make a comment like that!
      
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      August 1, 2020 2:51pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Give it another year Tony and you won’t be able to.
        
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        August 1, 2020 5:03pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  I don’t agree with your prediction re the Greens.
  
  Historically, the Greens always get a share of the vote that is 1.5 to 2% lower that where they poll in the Colmar Brunton poll. The Overseas vote wont get them over the line. It’s also because we have never has a Labour Party that courts the left ‘progressive’ of woke vote like this one. This pulls support from the greens like crazy, and pushes the Centre vote to the right.
  
  Expect a swing to the right to occur as the campaign gets into motion. We have already seen a bit of this with Judith agreeing with Labour that returning kiwi’s need to pay for their quarantine (In the same way that any kiwi would have to pay their own way when they come home!).
  
  This nudged Labour into putting in place a policy that aligned more with the ‘progressive’ faction. This is estimated to cost $500,000,000. If past performance is anything to go by, it will be way more than that, and this figure is only until the end of the year!
  
  I have heard from a number of left leaning friends, that they do not like this one bit. John Q Taxpayer is not the Governments ATM, and they do not like it!
  
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  August 1, 2020 8:31am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    From the Herald….
    
    “In a Cabinet paper from April 9, just before managed isolation became mandatory for all returnees, officials believed they would need to put up 190 people a day – a total of 13,600 – costing a maximum $195 million for six months.”
    
    These guys have no clue what anything costs. Going into a global recession, we do not want these guys in charge!
    
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    August 1, 2020 4:07pm
- Colville
  
  I suspect that more than a few of the Green offshore voters will be amongst the NZers that have come home in the last few months. ie younger people on their OE rather than settled people with careers offshore.
  So I wonder if the Green offshore advantage will apply this time.
  
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  August 1, 2020 8:34am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I don’t know. We would need more info. I don’t even know how many people overseas vote.
    
    Personally, I think there should be a residency requirement for voting, eg you must have been resident in New Zealand for at least 6 months in the last 3 years.
    
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    August 1, 2020 10:01am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      I reckon offshore eligibilty should be dependent on reading The Guardian on a daily basis to get a feel for how great things are in the home country under Comrade Ardern
      
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      August 1, 2020 10:45am
    - hookerphil
      
      My daughter is an avid lefti/Clinton/Ardern fan, left New Zealand at 20, been back for about 4 2/3 week visits and is now 45. Votes each election, no I do not agree with either her views or right to vote.
      
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      August 1, 2020 10:53am
    - lifesgood
      
      Agree. My son has lived in Europe for 23 years and is still eligible to vote. He never does but the fact he could is just ridiculous.
      
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      August 1, 2020 12:40pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I skyped the o/s daughter last night.
      She reckons all the o/s kiwi folk she’s in contact with are pretty upset with the $3100 charge for kiwis returning to NZ. They’re no longer viewing Ardern & the CoL through rose-tinted glasses .
      
      Countries like S.Korea allow returning nationals to self-isolate at their home if they prove covid-19 negative at the airport. Seems NZ could run a similar programme here if they instigated decent temperature checks and rapid Covid-19 testing at Arrival gates.
      
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      August 1, 2020 2:45pm
      - slightlyrighty
        
        Which would work in South Korea. not so much in NZ.
        
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        August 1, 2020 4:10pm
    - Faroffsound
      
      According to the Electoral Commission you can vote from overseas if you are enrolled to vote and:
      
      . are a NZ citizen who has visited NZ in the last 3
      years, or
      . are a permanent resident of NZ who has visited
      NZ in the last 12 months.
      If neither applies you are no longer eligible to enrol to vote.
      
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      August 1, 2020 2:54pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Still ridiculous. My son comes home every two or three years to visit family. While here he is relaxing, holidaying and being put on a fuss by willing family. That is not the same as living here and having to put up with the shit we have to.
        
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        August 1, 2020 3:22pm
  - emmess
    
    Also, will those overseas voters who would have been inclined to vote Green now support Ardern given how much fawning support she gets from the foreign media?
    
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    August 1, 2020 12:43pm
- Paulus
  
  The feminist media will not allow Collins any room whatsoever.
  They are entirely sold for $50 million to the Ardern clan.
  Heaven help New Zealand -to be renamed, if Labour rule.
  Who will get the blame ? National, of course, as they are already.
  
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  August 1, 2020 8:43am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    How do we reclaim NZ from the tyranny of rogue governments? MMP is a farce: List MP’s without substance as to executive ability are a fraud on the voters.
    
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    August 1, 2020 10:11am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      And the potential for a party to get 7 seats with 0.5% vote (Maori seats). Or a party with 3% can have four seats compared to zero for 4.7% party vote.
      Epsom /Ohariu deals can happen at the drop of a hat at any election.
      Its just not that democratic as a system and not to mention the ludicrous power a 5% party can hold over the nation
      
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      August 1, 2020 10:53am
      - Nickc2
        
        Yes and at core of the problem is that we can and did end up with an unelected government and prime minister. That said, all the bitching by us won’t change how the country is governed or how taxpayer’s hard earned money is spent/wasted.
        I don’t believe the current CoL give a big rat’s arse how much the country is in debt and to whom when they are finally ejected from the treasury benches.
        Now we have seen and suffered the worst aspects of MMP in practice, why can’t we have a referendum on moving to a more NZ relevant electoral system?
        
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        August 1, 2020 11:57am
- Lee C
  
  I think the ‘pessimism’ is useful. People are actually ignoring the LPNZ posters, they are that ‘over=exposed’ to ‘brandcinda’.
  
  It allows the fantasists in the media and coalition to continue promoting their patronising, aura of self-congratulation uninterrupted, oblivious of the shock that is awaiting them on September 20.
  
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  August 1, 2020 8:46am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    A National win in September would cause a media meltdown. Hopefully a future National Government will deal to the media. For a start, sell TVNZ and for gods sake turn RNZ unto a subscription model. It is fine if some people want to listen to a socialist pidgin English language chanel. If the listeners pay for it.
    
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    August 1, 2020 8:53am
    - Philview
      
      I would like to see a compulsory annual audit of all main stream media organisations and public disclosure of donations and overseas funding. I am certain we would be shocked by some of it.
      
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      August 1, 2020 3:04pm
  - gorse
    
    Can’t wait for the leaders debates. I believe judith will dhow Adern ip for the shallow person she really is.
    
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    August 1, 2020 11:40am
    - Nickc2
      
      There will no doubt be reasons why there will be no leader’s debates. Then again, Cindy may appoint her deputy PM to represent her in the leader’s debates. Wouldn’t that be a hoot. A massive cloths line will be required to hang out all the dirty laundry existing between Collins and Peters.
      
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      August 1, 2020 12:03pm
      - lifesgood
        
        I saw on twitter that John Campbell and Paddy Gower have been chosen to lead the debates. FFS!!! I hope that info is wrong.
        
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        August 1, 2020 12:42pm
      - Nickc2
        
        @ lifesgood 12:42PM
        
        I too hope you are wrong. No doubt those two have learnt how to get a copy of the debate questions to their favourite candidate (Cindy) before the debate just like the American MSM did for Hillary Clinton’s debates.
        Every day surprises me how much favourable NZ media content $50m plus buys for Cindy’s mob.
        
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        August 1, 2020 12:50pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That would be bullying – but if the hat fits …..
      
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      August 1, 2020 1:56pm
- Tony Norriss
  
  Here is hoping that the Greens miss out altogether.
  
  Normally they underperform polling even accounting for overseas votes. And it might be that their overseas support switches to Labour given the unrelenting positive exposure overseas media is giving Labour for the Covid success. Also, on the news the other day, the percentage of young voters actually registered was very low compared to last time. That is key support for the Greens, but they might not turn up to vote.
  
  If the Greens scrape back in then I think it will be a bridge too far for National. But if the Greens miss out, then the combined National/Act vote only need a swing of 8% to close the gap.
  
  That is certainly not outside the realms of possibility.
  
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  August 1, 2020 8:51am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    New Zealand will be a better place rid of the Greens and New Zealand First. Only downside is I think that Labour governing alone will be unpleasant. Jacinda will act like a saviour/Dear Leader figure.
    
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    August 1, 2020 10:04am
    - amospicton
      
      Until reality bites Benedict. In some respects winning this election is a poisoned chalice.
      
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      August 1, 2020 10:30am
      - wimpston peeeders
        
        exactly, Tbh its an election the nats dont want to win just get max seats without gaining power and wait out the approaching shit storm.
        
        whoever wins this year while be burned at the stake in 2023.
        
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        August 1, 2020 11:35am
- Toko
  
  Every single time the PM speaks at the moment she reiterates that her govt saved us from the Black Death and we should all be grateful. That is their election strategy- fear and gratitude for spraying round huge amounts of borrowed money to pretend we have a functioning economy. This will be a good election to lose as the next three years are going to be economically painful and at some stage we are likely to get COVID back. NZ can’t stay locked away from the world forever, and can’t see people accepting a hard lockdown again.
  
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  August 1, 2020 8:51am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You would be surprised. I am meeting people who say we should close the borders until the virus is erradicated globally. I say that will never happen and I get the death stare. This person was a public servant in Wellington, but still….
    
    I watched an interesting video yesterday of a New Zealand epidemiologist in the UK. He is adamant that the virus will become endemic. He was saying that the virus will keep mutating and the best case scenario is a vaccine that needs to be modified each year and will be partially effective.
    
    He also doubts that contracting the virus gives you lifetime immunity. Just like getting a cold dies not stop you catching another cold next month or next year. Whereas other viruses are stable. For example I had hepatitis when I was 8. That means I have hepatitis antibodies and I cannot get hepatitis again.
    
    I have lost the link to the interview. If I find it again I will post to GD later today.
    
    BY
    
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    August 1, 2020 10:12am
- Hollyfield
  
  I think it’s going to be a short campaign. People are still focused on covid, and there’s nothing much happening with the election yet. Winston’s jumping up and down, but that’s what he always does so is largely ignored by the public, and Labour isn’t saying ANYTHING.
  
  I think Jacinda did a great job (certainly far better than I expected) standing up every day reassuring people. I look beyond the superficial, but for people who don’t follow politics, the superficial is what they see, and what they remember right now.
  
  Once the leaders’ debates start, people will start taking more notice and start looking forward instead of backwards, and that’s when things might change.
  
  I think it’s going to be much much closer than the current polls.
  
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  August 1, 2020 9:24am
  - Dougal10
    
    Every body says she did a good job I just don’t get it. Standing at a podium giving a prepared speech and taking patsy questions from fan girl reporters. She maybe a good actress but thats as far as it goes.
    
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    August 1, 2020 9:41am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I was astounded that yesterday she was named as the world’s most eloquent leader.
      
      Read a transcript of any interview she does under any kind of close questioning. eg Mike Hosking. She is utterly incomprehensible. She is not across important topics. Her approaches are 1. Change the subject and wave arms about. 2. Tilt head and make things up. 3. Get annoyed and say “I refute that”
      
      She is not eloquent. She’s the total opposite of that.
      
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      August 1, 2020 10:30am
      - Swifty
        
        I have posted this before, but here it is again.
        
        THIS is eloquence:
        
        https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/frost-over-new-zealand-the-leaders-1973
        
        Compare this to Ardern and, to be fair, many of our current politicians. There is no comparison.
        
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        August 1, 2020 12:17pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Clearly a left wing outfit did the survey. They also listed Macron and Trudeau…I ask you!
        
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        August 1, 2020 12:45pm
      - oldgolfer
        
        There are people down at the local far more eloquent than Jacinda, and only a few are pissed.
        
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        August 1, 2020 2:15pm
      - Philview
        
        Done by an obscure UK company so not sure how it even became news so must have had help from Left wing networks.
        
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        August 1, 2020 3:08pm
    - Hollyfield
      
      Like I said, people see the superficial.
      
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      August 1, 2020 10:32am
    - calendar girl
      
      PM Ardern is rather too superficial for my liking, and she also appears to lack the inbuilt intelligence of a Helen Clark or a John Key.
      
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      August 1, 2020 11:20am
    - Unity
      
      I just saw her as the mouthpiece of others. She was told what to say. I don’t see her as our saviour at all. Actually I look upon her as the destroyer of our economy. We haven’t seen the worst of it by any means yet.
      
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      August 1, 2020 11:33am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Ardern can be a reassuring presence when the shit hit the fan, as we have seen in the Mosque Attacks and Covid 19.
    
    But the media do not look at what happens after. She has not yet been subjected to the proper scrutiny.
    
    The Kneejerk reactions to the Mosque Shootings, and the subsequent banning of firearms has not been challenged in any meaningful way by the media, even after a report found that the only reason the Gunman had the weapons was due to the FAILURE of authorities in properly implement existing regulations. If the police had carried out the proper checks, the Gunman would not have been able to carry out the attacks.
    
    Likewise, this government has been quick to react to Covid-19, but we have not had the “What Comes next” discussion, and I wonder if we ever will, or ever would have, if there wasn’t an upcoming election.
    
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    August 1, 2020 10:52am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Likewise, this government has been quick to react to Covid-19, but we have not had the “What Comes next” discussion”
      
      True that – I did hear journalist a few weeks back ask “what is the plan?” Incredibly she said “I don’t think New Zealanders are ready to have that conversation.” 🙁
      
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      August 1, 2020 12:05pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        We certainly weren’t ready to have Ardern foisted on us, a sentiment hardly enhanced by her acting a self-appointment arbitrator on what NZers want to talk about.
        
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        August 1, 2020 4:08pm
  - Paulus
    
    There will not be Leaders “Debate” Jacinda does not debate – berate.
    Anyway she is too busy to appear with anybody else on TV.
    She is now going back to her 2pm afternoon presentation instead.
    
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    August 1, 2020 11:13am
  - Flossie
    
    Labour don’t need to do anything. The media is doing it all for them.
    
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    August 1, 2020 5:10pm
- kowtow
  
  The Green vote will be enhanced by those motivated to vote in the Dope referendum.
  
  Is there a contradiction there ,motivated dope voters ?
  
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  August 1, 2020 9:48am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    nah theres 100k + beneficiaries, pensioners and working poor that survive by growing and selling small ammounts of weed.
    some of NZs best weed is grown by retirees trying to survive. also not to mention the maori areas in central NI and the far north whose entire existence and lifestyle is funded by growing.
    I doubt the pot legislation will pass as theres far too many ppl that rely on it to get by and wont want it to end up industrialized.
    
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    August 1, 2020 11:44am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “The Green vote will be enhanced by those motivated to vote in the Dope referendum.””
    
    I don’t know – anyone who wants to can get ready access to cannabis. If they were voting for cheap cannabis, maybe, but it is not clear that it will be cheaper if it is legal. The Government will put an excise on it. As for the legal thing, what are your chances of being charged for possessing a small amount of cannabis?
    
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    August 1, 2020 12:08pm
- stewmar
  
  Well said Tomtoddy you should be campaign manager for Judith!!
  
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  August 1, 2020 9:55am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Good 10 points. But I just have one point that will negate all of the above.
  
  Cindy saved 80,000 lives. She is so nice and kind. Go figure. Game over.
  
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  August 1, 2020 10:32am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    she saved 80k lives by delaying the nz gulag plans another few years.
    
    Imagine if we had 80k deaths based on us stats? We would need to cram another 140mil people into lil old nz. it was an obscene figure used purely to strike fear into the sheeple that the big bad wolf was comming… the shepherd is the one they should be fearing.
    
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    August 1, 2020 11:48am
    - Scooter
      
      Italy with 60.4 mill had 35,000 deaths, so how could it ever be possible for NZ to have 80,000 especially considering nz’s low population density. How bloody gullible can you be?
      
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      August 1, 2020 6:50pm
- Boxing junkie
  
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  I have a problem with claims that Collins is more experienced than Ardern. What people mean is that she is older. Big difference. Collins has never handled anything close to the responsibility that the PM has over the past three years. Collins has only been leader for 3 weeks.
  
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  August 1, 2020 11:34am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Living produces experience. Being older counts. Collins has been involved in real business, has heaps more ministerial experience and exudes gravitas – something Ardern can’t quite pull off.
    
    I do agree that Ardern’s fronting during Covid was done well but probably no better than Collins would have done.
    
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    August 1, 2020 11:58am
    - Boxing junkie
      
      Review some of the calls National has made before you give them credit for how they might have handled Covid. Particularly their early demands for an immediate travel bubble with Australia.
      
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      August 1, 2020 2:37pm
    - IC5000
      
      > Living produces experience. Being older counts.
      
      Winston is 75. Clearly by your logic he is superior to Collins.
      
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      August 1, 2020 4:09pm
  - lifesgood
    
    OK, you clearly have no idea Boxing J. Collins grew up on a farm so understands the rural sector. She has a Bachelor of Law, a Master of Law with Honours and a Master of Taxation Studies. She recently completed a Graduate Diploma in Occupational Health and Safety. She has owned 3 successful businesses, 2 restaurants and a law firm which she later sold for a profit. She has been an MP for 18 years. Jacinda has no work experience to speak of, couldn’t win an electorate so was gifted one, and only has a Communications degree which merely means she can bullshit effectively and you have the cheek to say Judith has no experience.
    
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    August 1, 2020 12:55pm
    - Boxing junkie
      
      Cool. Remind me, how many times has Collins been the leader of a nation?
      
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      August 1, 2020 2:26pm
      - wimpston peeeders
        
        and what was the last group that cindy was leader of???
        
        The youth communist group and she paraded around yelling comrade every oportunity she could.
        
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        August 1, 2020 3:56pm
      - IC5000
        
        When she loses this year they’ll roll her so it will be zero.
        
        Politics is not about how many degrees someone has and the country is not a business.
        
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        August 1, 2020 4:12pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        An outstanding non sequitur.
        
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        August 1, 2020 4:13pm
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        At least JC doesnt need to spin that she ‘understands small business becuase she has run an NGO’. A claim made by comrade Ardern on Hosking’s show. That NGO being the International Socialist Youth Group. What brilliant experience for understanding the challenges facing SMEs in NZ
        
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        August 1, 2020 4:54pm
      - Scooter
        
        Cindy’s no leader, she’s a mouth piece.
        
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        August 1, 2020 7:00pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I have a problem with claims that Collins is more experienced than Ardern.
    
    Judith Collins… academic qualifications:
    LLB
    LLM (hons)
    M.TaxS (Master Taxation Studies)
    
    Professional Experience:
    Lawyer/Solicitor 1981-1990
    Principal – Judith Collins & Associates 1990-2000
    President Auckland Law Society 1998-1999
    Vice-President NZ Law Society 1999-2000
    
    Political Experience:
    Minister of Corrections 2008-2011
    Minister of Police 2008-2011
    Minister of Justice 2011-2014
    Minister for Ethnic Communities 2016-2017
    Minister of Energy & Resources 2016-2017
    Minister of Revenue 2016-2017
    Leader of National Party 14 July 2020.
    
    I think she has experience in spades over Ardern.
    
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    August 1, 2020 1:58pm
    - Boxing junkie
      
      As I said she’s definitely older.
      
      She’s also far less qualified than someone who has lead NZ through one its worst natural disasters, an unprecedented terrorist attack, and rolled out a pandemic management plan that means NZ is now one of a tiny number of countries operating without restrictions.
      
      If simply being around longer makes you more qualified then National wouldn’t be 20 points behind in every poll.
      
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      August 1, 2020 2:34pm
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        BJ have a look at how well other island countries around the world have done Sri Lanka, Jamaica, Barbados etc. Given NZ’s geogaphical location and largely compliant public it would have been quite hard to screw up.
        Even comrade Ardern let thousands of International flights through with minimal checks when she was going ‘hard and early’ and we still somehow didnt get significant community transmission.
        She let cruise ships passengers walk through our major cities that ended up causing a lot of deaths in Sydney but somehow many still buy the brainwashing ‘hard and early’ twaddle rammed down our throats on the daily electioneering campaigns at 1pm for over a month.
        It would have been extremely hard to screw this up. I would have had better border checks in March and locked up earlier and not let cruise ships in. I said so at the time so its not hindsight. I also removed my kids from school before comrade Ardern closed them.
        
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        August 1, 2020 5:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Crimea river
    
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    August 1, 2020 2:04pm
Happychappy

They say you reap the the rewards of what you do and say in Politics, but the difference between Labour and National has been highlighted this week by a Labour MP. Clare Curran took a swipe at the media when describing the ” toxic ” culture of Parliament. Let’s face it the media has been bought and paid for to support the Prime Minister and the Coalition but when things don’t suit MP’s when it is of their own making it is easy to play the blame game.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/422382/clare-curran-says-media-culpable-in-toxic-parliament-culture
Then you have Simon Bridges who has more right than many others to blame the media for their outright lies and innuendo for his demise, coming out and fronting up for as he “puts”it, “the fuckups were all my own doings” Simon Bridges on the toughest job in Parliament.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12352661
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August 1, 2020 8:21am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Clare Curran’s nasty experience with the media was a clear case of the Left turning on one of its own.
  
  The only surprise was that she didn’t see it coming.
  
  Simon Bridges’ response to his dumping is fabulous… it’s like he has a new lease of life.
  
  I’m quite relaxed about Labour getting another 3 year term….It won’t be pretty… and our PM will be wasting the best years of her life in a toxic pool of slime.
  
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  August 1, 2020 10:07am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Hopefully Maggy, Ardern won’t drag NZ down too far into her communist mire.
    Watch Robbo though, he aims to take over control of the Reserve Bank.
    These people are amateurs in public management. This next three years will likely require the most skilful economic management ever–far above Robbo’s Uni Cafe grade.
    Only one choice: NZ can’t afford the risk of letting the COL continue.
    
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    August 1, 2020 10:20am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Simon Bridges was on Shaun Plunkett’s show yesterday. He was so cheerful, sounded genuine and Shaun mentioned that. Then Shaun read out lot of emails and texts praising Simon Bridges. There is still hope for National if they can get their act together and campaign on the ground really hard ignoring the Toxic Tovas and Jessica not so much.
  
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  August 1, 2020 10:34am
  - Tricati
    
    I also enjoyed his segment on Plunket’s show – He was great, and to the point, which was heartening in today’s ‘make-up’ world.
    
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    August 1, 2020 1:17pm
- Lee C
  
  Great Interview with Bridges:
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12352661
  
  Wow. I so wish we could have seen that side of Simon Bridges before.
  
  Oh wait – we weren’t allowed to, by a relentlessly pathological media.
  
  Were we?
  
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  August 1, 2020 11:12am
Durden

Come on Covid Contact Tracers of MoH. You have sat on your chuffs since lock down ended now is you chance to show your worth.

Bare the truth and expose Ardern, Woods and Hipkin for their all bombastic hui but no doey attitude.

Three cases now exported from Auckland – one to South Korea and two to Sydney. The bullshit excuse that it was picked up during Singapore transit does not apply to the Sydney travelers.

Where did they get it from — security/nurse/hotel workers being affectionate ? How long have you known about this and how long have you kept it quiet. And if you did not know, why not ?

I commented a while ago that the announcement of community transmission in NZ will happen by end of this week based on softening up statements being made by the CoL

Good chance that it will now be confirmed. I am also willing to take a bet that it will be MoH muppetry that caused this to happen. Why? Because they have been buying time, by providing clever half truths and deflection (e.g. South Korean first test was not PCR so false +ve, infection at singapore airport etc). They have not been open and truthful.

In other words they have been lying.
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August 1, 2020 8:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is not in the public’s interest to know //
  
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  August 1, 2020 8:38am
  - Ruawai
    
    There have been very low levels of testing, if you don’t test you don’t find Coivd.
    
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    August 1, 2020 9:04am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      yep a massive test day a few days ago… 8 tests from the public, had we been in uk or usa that would translate to 13k new cases and 482 deaths.
      at least our govt is suppressing the truth of our cases that exist instead of over exaggerating them.
      I have my fingers crossed for community breakout in august 🙂 thatll trash comrades narrative.
      
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      August 1, 2020 9:53am
      - Durden
        
        An August lockdown in Christchurch would be nice too. Will put an end to the theatre being prepared for Jacinda around the sentencing of Tarrant to be watched the 100s arriving in ChCh paid for by us.
        
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        August 1, 2020 12:10pm
      - wimpston peeeders
        
        Durden the icing on the cake would be if one of the victims families were the ones to spread it, bought here and paid for courtesy of cindy and co.
        I bet they dont spend 2wks in isolation and highly doubt theyll let some non muslim go near them with a swab.
        
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        August 1, 2020 4:06pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  They’re trying to figure out how to put us all in masks. They want us all to forget that we didn’t need them last time to get rid of it.
  Maximum fear and compliance just before the election.
  
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  August 1, 2020 9:16am
  - Sacha
    
    I’ll wear a mask if I am supplied with enough to be effective. My budget doesn’t allow for extra ‘luxuries’ even with the winter power allowance – which will stop soon.
    Goodness knows how families with rent/mortage/no jobs could manage.
    
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    August 1, 2020 9:47am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The winter power allowance will surely continue next year and … The cost is likely recouped from savings through avoiding winter illnesses and increased productivity.
      This year we have spent freely on power, lights and heaters, and had no seasonal affective disorder.
      
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      August 1, 2020 10:26am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      supplied or not I would outright refuse to wear one.
      remember in february jacinda was on the news multiple times telling the sheeple not to bother with masks as theyre ineffective and do nothing to stop you catching covid…
      now theyve codged on that it gives an illusion of safety and doing something and cindy really loves the illusion of doing something so here we go masks are essential in stopping covid.
      
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      August 1, 2020 4:10pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      No budget will make these effective. Mask are in truth muzzles, a tool to press home fearful compliance with an increasingly powerful state.
      
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      August 1, 2020 4:20pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Socialists never relinquish their control without a fight
    
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    August 1, 2020 10:27am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Cindy saved 80,000 lives. So don’t ask any questions please.
  
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  August 1, 2020 10:35am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Sarcasm is not your strong point Kicker.
    
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    August 1, 2020 11:06am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    She saved nobody. Didn’t even call Parliament when the MoH gave his order. There was an evident admin mess at that time. We were given dodgy info at the daily standups. Truthfulness 10%; Reliabilty -20% ; Effectiveness -70; Legacy-obliterated.
    
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    August 1, 2020 11:29am
- Happy1
  
  Can’t find any other reference to a second Sydney case but the one known traveler arrived on 6 July . Probably this and the Korean case were dead bits of RNA coming up from the lungs from an infection back in March. Proves the value of the lockdown.
  
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  August 1, 2020 10:57am
  - kowtow
    
    “probably” and “proves” don’t go together .
    
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    August 1, 2020 11:30am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Are our tests inaccurate?
  
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  August 2, 2020 8:13am
JibberJabber

The Hitch.

“I have one consistency, which is being against the totalitarian – on the left and on the right. The totalitarian, to me, is the enemy; the one that’s absolute, the one that wants control over the inside of your head, not just your actions and your taxes.”
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August 1, 2020 8:22am
Justitia

@Tomtoddy. I believe the situation is very volatile. National have been damaged by a number of unfortunate events in the past month. They must put those well behind them and focus on recovering lost ground. There is a very large number of undecideds, and voters in the centre can be fickle. Collins and her team must present as an alternative credible government. The bias of the media has hit new lows. National will have to try and circumvent them by greater use of social media and pressing the flesh. There must be no holding back.
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August 1, 2020 8:28am
MT_Tinman

In other words they have been lying.

It appears that far from eliminating the virus they’ve been hiding it – a process that will bite NZ on the bum rather badly for the next several years.
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August 1, 2020 8:37am
- Sacha
  
  To be fair – there are probably quite a few people in NZ who are carrying the virus and are busy creating resistance, and don’t know it. They aren’t sick, and probably don’t laugh and sing and shout and cough in other people’s close proximity, and they wash their hands and keep their social distance.
  As we all should be.
  
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  August 1, 2020 9:53am
- RJ
  
  Maybe the cleaning of the planes isn’t great enough and when someone comes into the country with the virus, people flying out are picking it up from the plane
  
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  August 1, 2020 12:17pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    There are no documented chain of evidence cases of someone picking up the virus from a contaminated surface. Doesn’t mean it can’t or doesn’t happen, means it hasn’t been proven.
    
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    August 1, 2020 1:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Congressman Jim Jordan puts the heat on Dr Fauci.
https://trendingpolitics.com/jim-jordan-turns-dr-fauci-into-a-bumbling-mess-over-allowing-mass-protests-but-restricting-church/?utm_source=freedom&utm_medium=email
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August 1, 2020 8:37am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Ouch. He was like a worm wriggling on the hook,,,
  
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  August 1, 2020 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I do believe we have a ‘Dr Fauci’ in NZ who needs to be put under the microscope – along with the PM
    
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    August 1, 2020 9:43am
    - Jimmy White
      
      But he pays Rugby, shame on you….
      
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      August 1, 2020 11:08am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        “The Eliminator” Saw my dick off
        
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        August 1, 2020 2:10pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  You can kill a unborn baby and burn down down a city, but you can’t go to church. We truly live in the upside down.
  
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  August 1, 2020 9:08am
- Tricati
  
  Jim Jordan is awesome – His pulling apart the Democrat BS, and deep involvement, over the Russian collusion, and the FBI’s involvement in the under-mining of Trump and Flynn has be exemplary.
  Its a shame we don’t get that side of the story here in NZ
  
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  August 1, 2020 9:33am
  - oldgolfer
    
    Jordan in full flight is impressive – and former wrestling champ to boot.
    
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    August 1, 2020 2:19pm
- Fletch
  
  I saw that. He can get Fauci to admit that, yes, a protest is a huge crowd, and we should be staying away from huge crowds, but not to say that protests must be stopped. Jordan was only asking for his opinion, since he is supposed to be the expert, but on this subject he couldn’t possible say. He can be very vocal on churches and other places of businesses being closed, but somehow he has no opinion on the huge crowds of protesters.
  
  He’d be giving up his liberal credentials if he dared criticize the ~~protests~~ riots.
  
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  August 1, 2020 11:35am
Simon

Bill Clinton – child rapist. No one is really surprised. Nor that MSM has been very quiet on Bill.
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August 1, 2020 8:39am
- RJ
  
  His wife is worse, I’m surprised the media are hushed up on the video on the dark web
  
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  August 1, 2020 12:15pm
Capricardo

This article about Peters says it all.

Well worth a look!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12352323
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August 1, 2020 8:48am
- Don Beckett
  
  Behind a paywall – forget it.
  
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  August 1, 2020 9:41am
Chuck Bird

Has anyone seen this?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122303839/killer-gets-life-sentence-for-street-murder-that-shocked-bystanders

This victim is from Romania and she was planning on going back there before she was murdered.

I wonder if her relations were offered free are travel and quarantine costs to attend her murderers sentencing.

I somehow doubt it.
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August 1, 2020 8:52am
- Tall Man
  
  You beat me to it. 10 fucking years for a most horrendous murder.
  
  What is wrong with our judges?
  
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  August 1, 2020 9:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Don’t think the Mental Health folk had checked out how “well” he really was… if he committed this murder a week after release from mental health care.
  
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  August 1, 2020 10:23am
wimpston peeeders

I have a friend waiting out govt 14 day isolation after returning from aussie earlier this week.

He thought from media reports it was going to be very strict but 4 days in he said its been a total joke.
within 6Hrs of arriving he was mingling in the courtyard havn a ciggie and yarn with an 11th day detainee and a guard, the 3rd day on ciggie break there were 2 randoms sharing a ciggie and little to no distancing occuring amongst anyone and the guards dont challenge anything.

hes questioning why the media havnt put a drone over to see the mockery of it in the outdoor areas, just fly the smokers area and see NZs greatest joke…
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August 1, 2020 9:33am
NZDirect

The NZ mainstream media are all cowards

Hey media, do your job and start challenging the PM

Cowards
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August 1, 2020 9:37am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  understatement of the year!!!
  
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  August 1, 2020 1:19pm
Maggie Pie

A few weeks ago, one of the girls at the Tennis Club was telling me they were looking at building a ‘Panic Room’ into their new home.
Sounded like a fab idea, so thought I’d get a quote to retrofit one at our place. My partner suggested we should also install a fully Monitored Security System at he same time.
The quote came in yesterday – it was quiet alarming.
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August 1, 2020 9:40am
- kowtow
  
  ‘it was quiet alarming’
  
  Is that one of them new fangled silent alarms ?
  
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  August 1, 2020 9:50am
  - Prince
    
    I’ve got one of those. Not very effective I have to say.
    
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    August 1, 2020 10:22am
    - artemisia
      
      A sudden burst of Mahler would be highly effective, though the ratbags would scarper immediately and be well gone before the coppers arrived. Maybe Eminem would keep them on site long enough.
      
      A business opportunity right there.
      
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      August 1, 2020 11:30am
- RJ
  
  Just buy Little St. James, lots of cells on that island you could use, just ignore the dead bodies
  
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  August 1, 2020 12:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They have been moved to the beach. Digger activity has been seen. Nature will do the rest
    
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    August 1, 2020 2:13pm
wimpston peeeders

is a panic room somewhere you run and hide when a rates or tax bill arrives or is it reserved for election nights and BLM riots in wealthy suburbs?
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August 1, 2020 9:47am
- Maggie Pie
  
  More around Local Body election time if we spot Desley Simpson coming down the drive 😀
  
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  August 1, 2020 10:39am
- Fletch
  
  It’s a room where liberals can go when they get triggered, where nursery rhymes are playing over the speaker and coloring books and teddy bears are provided.
  
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  August 1, 2020 11:37am
Maggie Pie

And I see the Indian dairy owner has changed hands again.
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August 1, 2020 9:51am
- Jimmy White
  
  I find being ambidextrous is quite helpful during mastication.
  
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  August 1, 2020 11:13am
- Swifty
  
  One of my local Indian dairy owners has a second thumb growing out of one of his main ones.
  
  Spooky to look at.
  
  “Two-thumbs Patel” we call him.
  
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  August 1, 2020 12:08pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    How very odd?
    My partner reckoned the first one that owned our dairy was as cunning as a sh*t house rat. When he called in on the way home to get the milk, he used to watch him scanning the goods for some old duck, but ‘accidentally on purpose’ forget to clear the previous balance!
    Nice old trick.
    
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    August 1, 2020 1:09pm
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    haha my mates indian farm worker has the exact same thing!
    Bloody creepy but rekons the girls love it tho, wifey rekons any sane chick wouldnt let that thumb near there.
    
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    August 1, 2020 1:23pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      i don’t know about that wimps
      would get a ‘thumbs-up’ from me 😛
      
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      August 1, 2020 1:53pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Preaxial polydactyly.
    
    The neighbour’s cat (and kittens) seems to have the syndrome too….
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyl_cat
    
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    August 1, 2020 2:32pm
    - Swifty
      
      I’ve offered to bring up a pair of my tin-snips or bolt cutters and be done with it but he just doesn’t seem keen.
      
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      August 1, 2020 2:45pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      It’s a dude with Diphallia disorder i’ve been looking out for 😛
      
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      August 1, 2020 2:53pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I have One of those cats
      
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      August 2, 2020 8:23am
Dave Mann

Plague update: Victoria is in crisis and world is literally going to end!

Latest figures from the People’s Democratic Republic of Victoria indicate that 113 ~~mainly elderly~~ people have now died of the plague.

This is 0.0017% of Victoria’s population and as such it clearly is a catastrophic situation. To put it another way, NEARLY TWO people per HUNDRED THOUSAND of population have died of with this horrific disease.

What are the poor Victorians going to do? Obviously confining everybody in certain postal codes to their homes isn’t working and destroying their economy and social cohesion hasn’t been enough. Maybe China could be asked to help out somehow? I mean, they’re pretty experienced at this sort of thing with their camps, their 24/7 surveillance and mass thought control – so that might be the answer?

Anyway, let’s all join hands and thank our own glorious leader for saving us from this diabolic pestilence. Our death rate has been a somewhat more manageable 0.0005% of our population, but this is still a lot, so we would be very wise to keep vigilant and prepare to go into immediate lockdown as soon as the next ‘spike’ in ‘infections’ happens just before the election.
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August 1, 2020 10:04am
- Rachael Membery
  
  My local mitre 10 are keeping their screens as flu and other lurgies are down.
  
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  August 2, 2020 8:27am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Corona. I will repeat what I have said before.
Temperatures were being taken at Auckland Airport, those high were tested. But as soon as the media cameras and reporters left, Airport Staff went back to handing out leaflets. My neighbour works for Air NZ. She said the rubbish bins were full of leaflets.
The Govt lied, they want a second wave to regain control. Put your mask on NOW or else
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August 1, 2020 10:32am
Don Beckett

Be very very careful – Covid 19 is a silent killer.
That sniffle of a cold you’ve got that you ignore – that’s Covid.
That dry hacking cough you’ve got that you’re taking throaties for – that’s Covid.
That slight shortness of breath you’ve got every time you do your 30min. run that you ignore – that’s covid.
Those symptoms that you’ve got that you can’t notice – that’s Covid.
The point is, Wuhan ‘Flu is probably everywhere already – just not noticeable in most cases. So forget lockdowns, masks and social distancing – its all bullshit propaganda and fear-mongering.
Live life as you wish, and as you are supposed to do. Its a great life if you ignore the control freaks.
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August 1, 2020 10:55am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxfujRE0EMw&feature=share
New Cold War.

With Chinas conduct over trade, and the CCP virus; there is talk of a new
Cold War. Countries will have to choose sides. Cold War 1.0 worked out alright for
The good guys. Let’s hope 2.0 has a similar outcome.
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August 1, 2020 11:02am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2WzLkQiJ3w
Fourth Reich Economy Shrinks Quickly.

During Q2, Eurozone GDP shrank 14.4%. It’s the
Sharpest decline since 1995. These are preliminary estimates.
Belgium down 12.5 % for example. The effects of the CCP
virus are unevenly spread. The US is down 32%. The TDS crowd must
love that. However, the figures are calculated differently.
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August 1, 2020 11:02am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  That “32%” for the US is a hypothetical “annualized” figure created by multiplying the quarterly Q2 figure by 4 to fabricate an “annual rate.” It isn’t real.
  
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  August 1, 2020 11:37am
Maggie Pie

And for those in the group that expressed their dislike for the ‘Tegel Louisianna Chiken Portions’ following my post on GD yesterday, you might find Jamie’s new book helpful……

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeGdODcX0AchJW1?format=jpg&name=small
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August 1, 2020 11:07am
- RJ
  
  Who could dislike it, mmmmmmmm, I want some now
  
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  August 1, 2020 12:08pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Could there be anything simpler than just slicing a chicken breast into tender size portions, dipping them in a beaten egg, then some flavoured flour/breadcrumbs and quickly frying them?
    
    Yum, yum!!!!!.
    Miles nicer than the over-peppered, frozen crud Maggie Pie indulges in.
    
    —-Use Panko Breadcrumbs
    ….suggested seasonings to add to flour/ breadcrumb mix…..five spice/ garam masala/chili…….or if you want to be lazy try the Malaysian seasoned flour
    (packets of Kentucky seasoned flour)…from Asian shops.
    
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    August 1, 2020 2:59pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      LOL!!
      The only thing simpler for me is to head up to Antoine’s in Parnell for dinner. We had an abfab meal there last night. My partner had the classic Oxtail for his main, and i chose 3 plates from the Starters. Shared the chocky trio for dessert. All up with champoo, 550 + tip.
      Biggest bonus – no cooking smells, no dishes 😀
      
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      August 1, 2020 3:23pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Sweetie Pie, when you are a damn good cook, as I am, you’re not prepared to put up with indigestible muck.
        
        Dishes are never a problem for me…that’s why men/partners were invented.
        
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        August 1, 2020 3:40pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        That’s the problem in our place Maggs. My partner still wears the Tee-Shirt from his previuos marriage….
        
        WIFE.
        = washing
        = ironing
        =f**king
        ETC.
        
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        August 1, 2020 3:52pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh Lordie..
        
        didn’t you explain that you don’t multi-task?
        
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        August 1, 2020 4:13pm
      - wimpston peeeders
        
        maggie pie that t shirt is the truth, failings in 1 or more of those is why he has had a “previous marriage”
        
        my grandad use to say a good woman will cook and clean and if she isnt good at either of those then she better be very very good at something else!!
        
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        August 1, 2020 4:19pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Well i do – but maybe not in the you’d imagine
        
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        August 1, 2020 4:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  Not dislike Maggie but a preference for Nashville ?
  
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  August 1, 2020 1:48pm
RF

I’m not giving up the ship at this stage but should there be a Labour / Greens Coalition after the election I give it 12 months.

After that there will be public gatherings with old crones sitting, knitting in front of wooden structures that make a rumbling noise when a sharp part falls down.

The public can only take so much .
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August 1, 2020 11:12am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Knit one Purl One Drop One THUNK!!!!
  
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  August 1, 2020 1:12pm
I remember when

The Labour Party’s strength is also their greatest weakness.
This was reinforced by the venom with which Chris Hipkins attacked the actions of Boag and Walker. Apart from mentioning it, the media have also failed to look into the failings that the List exposed in depth.
In the year ending October, 2018, a total of 3,000,000 New Zealanders visited or holidayed overseas. That is 250,000 per month. How long are the public going to be satisfied with local tourism ventures? Will local tourism allow the operators to continue in business long enough for overseas tourists to fill the void?
If 250,000 people, per month, holidayed overseas at present we would need 115,000 isolation rooms.
Is this the reason the imposition of a cost is being promoted? Is it hoped that the potential cost will prevent any problem occurring?
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August 1, 2020 11:33am
- Tricati
  
  Hipkins stayed well clear of Woods calling Walker a racist, which was also included in the report as the reason Walker reacted. Walker was wrong, but the ‘dirty politics’ started with Woods trying to deflect attention form her under-hand attempt to initiate quarantine facilities in Queenstown and Invercargill. Walker was doing what any ‘elected’ constituent MP should have done to represent his electorate.
  
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  August 1, 2020 1:23pm
  - igm
    
    Judith Collins should reappoint young Walker, he doing nothing wrong in comparison to the behaviours of many Labour MPs during this term.
    
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    August 1, 2020 1:45pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Most people I know are quite resigned to not travelling overseas till 2022. A few months ago they were thinking mid 2021, but now most are thinking 2022. They seem quite OK with that prospect, though they would like the option of a Pacific Islands break.
  
  Having said that, two people I know well (both NZ born) have gone overseas in the last month, one to Spain, one to France. Both expect to return in about three to four months. The prospect 0f 14 days quarantine was not a deterrent.
  
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  August 1, 2020 1:45pm
  - sam green
    
    I heard you on the radio on Friday Wayne. My utmost respect to you.
    
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    August 1, 2020 10:41pm
igm

Happy birthday to all horses (that being the racing types)!
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August 1, 2020 12:08pm
Fletch

Tribute to Hermain Cain, taken from the movie ‘Uncle Tom’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XEh4T5jfJE

Isn’t it funny how when a black liberal dies it is talked about in the media for days and big speeches are given at his funeral, etc, but when a black conservative figure dies it is hardly mentioned.
I would argue that Cain is just as important a figure as John Lewis.
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August 1, 2020 12:33pm
- emmess
  
  I had heard of Herman Cain quite a bit from his 2012? presedential run but had never heard of John Lewis until the other day.
  
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  August 1, 2020 12:58pm
Prince

Poll shows 93% of New Zealanders work for the Government.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/122318935/7-of-kiwis-think-they-will-lose-job-in-next-year-and-struggle-to-find-another
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August 1, 2020 12:40pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  love how 93% of sheeple dont have a f**king clue about the financial situation of their employer and thinks theyre “safe”
  Whats a realistic figure? I predict 15-18% of those currently employed to be jobless by june 2021, couple that with the influx of
  new beneficiaries flooding the borders and welcome to an unsustainable welfare system and an astronomical govt deficit.
  
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  August 1, 2020 1:30pm
Wired-one

Little over a month now until the most important election in recent history and Labour have still not released a policy or been asked by our disgraceful media how they intend to pay all this Covid-19 money back. We all know that new taxes are coming, so how about one of our journalists start doing their bloody job and ask the damn questions! Ardern is happy to not talk about this election, but I’m not. We need answers and we need answers now, so that people have time to make an informed view. Early voting is about to start ffs. Come on media!
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August 1, 2020 1:01pm
- Philview
  
  Did you read Martin van Beynen’s article on Stuff today? We are starting to read some astonishing attacks on the National Party. That article would have been in the Press and I would suggest that right leaning Cantabrian’s should end their subscriptions and no longer buy that newspaper. In another article Audrey Young named prominent Christians in the National Party and the essence of the article seemed to be a concern that Christians could get into Government. Has anyone been bothered by Christians in the National Party before?
  
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  August 1, 2020 3:20pm
  - hilaryt
    
    Philview…I’m that subscriber, teetering, but still plugged in cos the Press is the ‘village voice’ down here. I’ve debated it with Hayman, the editor, but she’s proud of their partisan mission to influence govt. van Beynan is the milder end of the spectrum..I simply ignore Johnson, Shimmin, Miles Moyadi, Hart & McConnell, so yeah, lean pickings for this long-time subscriber these days.
    
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    August 1, 2020 5:11pm
[email protected]

Yachties stuck in the islands not allowed to enter New Zealand and cyclone season is coming soon.

It takes most yachts several weeks to sail to New Zealand from Fiji, Tonga, etc. This would be a reasonable period of self-isolation.

I’m not entirely positive about Maritime law but I thought that it was illegal to deny a yacht entry.
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August 1, 2020 1:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Went to the Doc on Tuesday – nagging cough for 10 days, body aches, joint pains – you know, the man flu. It’s a virus, go to bed and stay there. While you are here we will do a Covid test. I had one 8 weeks ago. Never mind he said, just another to be safe.
It came back negative, same as the last one.
My question is, ‘Can I trust the lab result, seeing as we all know the Govt is lying through their teeth?’
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August 1, 2020 2:24pm
I remember when

Okay everybody! You can all relax!
Winston has stated that the last two polls are both “rogue” polls.
All polls about Donald Trump are ROGUE polls.
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August 1, 2020 2:29pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  id bet my left nut that if any covid + result came through from the public it would be very promptly hidden and dealt with quietly.
  
  community transmission or local area lockdown now will be an election loser for cindy.
  
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  August 1, 2020 4:24pm
MCos

US may be banning tik tok
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDUsXZFAiSl/?igshid=ont6j8h53lqy
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August 1, 2020 2:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

For those who do not want ALEXA listening in on your conversations, they are making a male version .. it does not listen to anything
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August 1, 2020 2:38pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  thats gold, does it also just get on with it and do the shit that really needs done?
  
  On a serious note it is worrying about what our divices listen to and share without our knowledge, phone in pocket and talk to someone about a particular subject then go to use google, youtube etc and there it is top of search suggestions. even weirder is when phones know if youre looking at them or not, I find that disturbing.
  
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  August 1, 2020 4:30pm
I remember when

So far the media have been very good at making everyone think that Covid-19 is equally dangerous for everybody.
The reality is that the isolation approach is only necessary for the protection of the 65+ part of the population. Otherwise there would still be open borders, tourism and people behaving normally.
Airlines would be traversing the skies, ocean liners would still be calling (less frequently as a large part of their users wouldn’t be on board) and the Election would be about PERFORMANCE and POLICY.
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August 1, 2020 2:41pm
I remember when

Tova would have to be List as she certainly doesn’t like to have to Listen.
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August 1, 2020 2:43pm
[moderated]

You know when “moderators” are calling contributors names it’s time to move on.

So adios kiwiblog. It was a fun 12 years until the moderators ruined it, well Batman did… Might want to look up the word Batman, you’re basically the Trevor Mallard of KiwiBlog.

I won’t let the door hit me on the way out.

[Lol – Diddums. Mod.]
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August 1, 2020 3:04pm
- RJ
  
  Completely agree with you mod, diddums. Thumbs up for the mod. If what Batman said to you offended you so much you may need to get serious help, idiot.
  
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  August 1, 2020 3:57pm
  - Batman
    
    I’ll not comment on the exit of that commenter but I will say that I specifically said that as a commenter and not as a mod comment.
    
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    August 1, 2020 4:38pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      BM: Wut’s teh difference…
      
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      August 1, 2020 10:06pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Uncalled for though Batman.
      
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      August 1, 2020 10:24pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Yes, it’s a pity when moderators are literally immoderate.
  
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  August 1, 2020 4:08pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  reading through past threads theres obviously a rogue/snowflakey mod that likes to pick on certain contributors for the most mundane things, pity the moderation isnt very consistant.
  
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  August 1, 2020 4:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yer, that mod is really Jacinda Ardern – because she has nothing else to do in all the free time she has avoiding the real NZ
    
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    August 1, 2020 5:19pm
  - RJ
    
    Pretty simple really, obey the rules and the mods leave you alone. Chances are the mods see far more than people realise in what they simply do not let get posted so know which members to keep an eye on.
    
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    August 1, 2020 5:23pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      No they don’t RJ. I have not been pulled up yet and I hold my own.
      The new ‘mods’ are becoming like Pete Belt from Whale Oil. You agree or behave.
      Not all mods, but I do call out “Batman”
      
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      August 1, 2020 5:38pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Another comment deleted.
        
        Most of you have your comment modified but left to show you have been censored. Mine just get deleted.
        
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        August 2, 2020 10:18am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/real-estate/300071412/dream-over-for-couple-building-rammedearth-house-in-beachlands

Well, whoop-de-doo.
Couple over-estimate their ability, blame each other, separate.
How unique.
Non-news, and who cares ?
How on earth ( and why on earth ) did this make it to the Stuff home page ?
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August 1, 2020 5:17pm
Observer of Life

Maggie Pie… sorry accidentally ‘Reported’ you re the WIFE description!! Apologies.
What I wanted to do was REPLY with …
HUSBAND:
Huge
Ugly
Son-of-a
B*tch
And
No
Dick
:0)
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August 1, 2020 5:19pm
Jack5

Hooten scootin’ off …

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/422543/political-lobbyist-matthew-hooton-resigns-as-national-party-staffer
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August 1, 2020 5:54pm
Prince

Hooton has resigned. Just another pre-Collins party member unable to hold their ego just before an election.
Will forever be seen as that guy who thought Muller was the answer.
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August 1, 2020 6:51pm
- Batman
  
  Probably because Judith is mates with Steven and he’s been around the precinct this week for valedictory speeches…
  
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  August 1, 2020 7:58pm
  - BAM
    
    Steven Joyce?
    
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    August 1, 2020 8:28pm
    - Batman
      
      Correct.
      
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      August 1, 2020 9:12pm
Captain Mainwaring

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/political-lobbyist-matthew-hooton-resigns-as-national-party-staffer/ar-BB17rqkS?ocid=msedgdhp

So the swamp is almost drained now?
Anyone else please put their hands up and then we can get down to the business of getting rid of the incompetent CoL
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