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herb1

We now know Arderns regularly repeated catch phrases , such as Test Test Test, Hard and early etc , were the product of a PR company and $16million of taxpayers money.
Whats the bet that Arderns “they are us” was another taxpayer funded PR companies work.
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August 3, 2020 8:04am
- mandk
  
  Show some respect, herb1.
  It’s Comrade Ardern.
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:40am
- Ruawai
  
  And this morning on TV1 “Say yes to the test”.
  JA also on TV1 this morning used her special word “Jepradise” again, do you think this word is from the PR company or her own special pronunciation of the word.
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:08am
  - mark15
    
    ‘Say no to the snow’
    
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    August 3, 2020 9:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    Did anyone else notice the mod’s use of “refute” yesterday to one of my comments.
    
    I wondered if he was being humourous or if cindy has “signed” on to Kiwiblog to help Brian out.
    
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    August 3, 2020 9:45am
    - Jimmy White
      
      Maybe they are lining up Jobs at Google
      
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      August 3, 2020 1:54pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Surely ‘Jepradise’ is straight outta Morrinsville.
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:38am
    - Flossie
      
      That’s really unfair! I know some very nice, well educated (and of course well spoken) Morrinsville folk!
      
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      August 3, 2020 10:59am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Oh, you elitist snobs, you…
    
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    August 3, 2020 1:37pm
- MCos
  
  Let’s see what changes to the Nats, if anything, with Mathew Hooten out of the picture.
  
  Everyone is familiar with the effectiveness of PR in politics in NZ, or in some cases the lack thereof. Colenso came up with the Dancing Cossacks ad, which probably changed the whole direction of NZs way of life.
  On the other hand some politicians have damaged themselves with ham fisted amateur PR that only appealed to the already converted.
  I’ll bet no PR company told Metiria Turei to disclose her welfare fraud, or Garett Morgan to talk about lipstick on a pig.
  No PR company would ever advocate raising taxes!
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:35am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Very true MCos, but equally so, no PR company will advise a PM to tell the truth, when all the soundbite catchphrases pumped out to the NZ public have been nothing but smoke and mirrors to in order to hide the truth.
    
    Based on recent events, it is almost a certainty that “the team of 5mill” did not eliminate or eradicate COVID in NZ.
    
    Why do I say this:
    1. The 2 people who have travelled abroad and have tested positive, with no clear indication of how they contracted the virus. In the second case, the media on Saturday were suggesting the person had been carrying the virus since March (how many people will that person have come in contact with?);
    2. The efforts with “deep cleaning” and pop-up testing authorities are going to because of where the first case travelled to in NZ;
    3. Late last week, there were a series of media stories imploring people to get tested, but at the same time people are not getting tested, and previous testing facilities are being closed;
    4. For the first time in weeks, TVNZ ran COVID-19 govt adds, reminding us to use the tracing app, keep a diary and get tested – why if we have eradicated/eliminated Covid?;
    5. This morning, with the news from Melbourne, JA is using language that indicated she wasn’t telling us all, instead the message was “surveillance testing”;
    6. At 1pm no news conference, just a statement. 2 new cases, only one of which was a recent arrival, both in managed isolation. From which, is it a fair question to ask, did the other new case test positive because of the Day 3 or 12 test, or were they tested independently under other circumstances (ie they were already here, and didn’t travel to NZ); and
    7. In recent weeks, it has been noticeable that not all new case numbers announced, have not been recent arrivals to NZ, but “they are all in managed isolation”.
    
    So, simple question, when are the team of 5 million going to be told the truth about the extent of community transmission in New Zealand?
    
    Or
    
    Do we have to wait until a new Rosewood cluster inexplicably appears?
    
    I know I am sounding boring about this, but a significant number of Kiwis have sacrificed a great deal for the 5million. So, Bloomfield and Ardern, you owe it to all the team of 5 million to tell the truth today, about the current status of Covid19 in NZ, and stop hiding behind soundbites and press conferences that provide half truths!
    
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    August 3, 2020 2:03pm
Maggie Pie

We watched the Newsroom expose yesterday on Jamie-Lee Ross.
The damning interview with retiring National MP Sarah Dowie was compulsory viewing.
Both me and my partner came away thinking JLR was completely loco.
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August 3, 2020 8:06am
- Chris Walden
  
  I watched both interviews too.
  
  I only hate two people & they are both narcissists. I could relate to a lot of what Sarah Dowie was saying.
  
  My heart goes out to her & her family.
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:22am
- Yvette
  
  Maggie
  I like the idea that when JLR did not get the message of “things are over”, that it may have been Sarah Dowie who dropped him in it, by her perhaps releasing Simon’s expenses, which makes much more sense than JLR doing it. Simon was only collateral. See? – that would be a little more circumlocomotive.
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:48am
  - Tall Man
    
    I don’t think so Yvette.
    
    I doubt “devious” was in her brain at the time.
    
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    August 3, 2020 9:46am
    - Smithy
      
      She’s a politician. I doubt devious is out of her brain at any time.
      
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      August 3, 2020 11:22am
      - Tall Man
        
        Not sure about that. I’ve seen victims of marital abuse which is the same as this in a way, they don’t function as you would expect.
        
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        August 3, 2020 7:11pm
- Prince
  
  Not so much loco as a coldly manipulative man. His use of the compliant media to nearly destroy Bridges is chilling in retrospect,
  Remember him leading reporters and cameras around Wellington to the Police Station to present his ‘evidence’, that turned out to be recording more revealing of his own motives than anything else.
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:56am
  - Tall Man
    
    Not sure there was much “leading” with the feral tova and her salivating cohorts.
    
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    August 3, 2020 9:47am
    - Paulus
      
      One day Tova’s participation and relationship with JLR will come back to bite her badly – hope it does not hurt her too badly but am afraid it will.
      There is a lot more to come I understand as do many in Parliament.
      
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      August 3, 2020 10:45am
      - double d
        
        She’s a little bit hot though…
        
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        August 3, 2020 8:44pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Thanks for the reference, just watched both interviews and read the articles. While the Newsroom investigation appears to be thorough, what also emerged is the large part the media played in this.
  
  When Ross had his “mental break-down” and referenced the text which included the statement that he deserved to die, media portrayed it as a text he had only just received, when in fact it was sent 2 months earlier. Dowie had formally apologised and Ross told her he had moved on, but he later used the text to try and play the victim and, no doubt, cause her further distress by making out he was going to step in front of a train.
  
  Tellingly, one of the many other women that Ross abused and manipulated said this: “But she also says inaccurate reporting of the issue has made her distrust much of what the media publishes and that journalists have a responsibility to get facts right, particularly when it involves manipulators and abusers.”
  
  Who knew the media could be such despicable scum? They didn’t make any errors when “not getting facts right”, they knew exactly what they were doing and have a lot to answer for.
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:33am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Manipulating media”.
    
    They can only manipulate if we allow them to do so.
    
    We see evidence everyday on here where posters have accepted the “presentation” of the media as fact.
    
    I deduce that that acceptance without challenge is what seperates us from those on the left. They buy into ardern’s slogans and the media’s representations as “real” when they are clearly not in most cases.
    
    Opinion now trumps fact.
    
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    August 3, 2020 9:50am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      If you are near the media expect them to report what they please–what you may like is irrelevant to them unless you are a paid advertiser with, say, $50M.
      Talking to the media directly is way of getting misquoted.
      
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      August 3, 2020 11:58am
  - Durden
    
    Wasn’t Cam Slater advising Ross ? [Alleged – Mod.] … mental health (and health) defense seems to have been used by him before.
    
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    August 3, 2020 12:45pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Ms Dowie seems like a really nice person. Pity she is exiting.
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:59am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Totally agree with you on that B Y. Whenever you saw her during QT, she always looked fragrant and immaculate. You could tell she brought a certain amount of ‘sexual tension’ to the Chamber.
    I’m sure they’ll miss her.
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:57am
Happychappy

Judith Collins and National misleading g the public over the Greens water drink policy says Julie Anne Genter, this coming from a MP that corrupt the Wellington Transport roading policy and still wouldn’t release E Mails she sent with the reasons to Mayor Lester.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300072154/national-supported-wateronly-policies-it-has-attacked-green-party-over-in-government
This is a bit rich coming from a Green MP that deliberately misled Parliament and Wellington Council over what she demanded from the Mayor.
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August 3, 2020 8:08am
- NoCash
  
  To borrow Rep. Yoho’s line… Fucking Bitch.
  
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  August 3, 2020 1:16pm
Simon

Labour: Lets keep the Covid fear porn moving.

Unopposed of course by National.
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August 3, 2020 8:10am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Just waiting now for Comrade Ardern to cancel the election out fear National won’t be able to manage.
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:01am
Frank the tank

What was she thinking in the first place?
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August 3, 2020 8:13am
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone with any insight into the Schools’ Learning Hubs?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/422600/call-to-axe-100m-learning-scheme-and-redirect-funding

Looks like there is some jockeying going on for the $100M.
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August 3, 2020 8:13am
- Durden
  
  I have some knowledge. These hubs provide an alternative online option for learning outside of the formal class room training. Hence the platform represents a threat to teachers/unions control. Also some good selected teachers get paid more to be involved and to be innovative and do better than the others. Unions can’t have that. Getting rid of Charter schools was also an example of the same union attitude.
  
  Perry Rush is a politician and unionist first who got himself a school principal’s role (Island Bay from memory) before he got into his current political role. Teachers unions will tear down anything that threatens their stranglehold.
  
  One would have thought with Covid having pushed a lot of learning online, the lesson learned would have been to bolster any pathways to online learning.
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:35am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Most teachers can’t cope with on-line learning and the tech understanding required. That’s outside their human makeup boxes.
    
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    August 3, 2020 9:03am
    - bennerg
      
      Having some experience in this field, I can confirm >90% of classroom trained teachers have very few transferable skills to move to effective online learning. The few that do get very little support. Least from their colleagues who get very threatened.
      
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      August 3, 2020 12:40pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  A system so terrible and such an egregious waste of money that the Coalition need to wait until nearly 3 years into their term to cancel it.
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:18am
  - Ian Boag
    
    The bigger worry is that in 30 years we will be ruled by a generation that was badly home schooled by alcoholics …. 🙂
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:18am
    - double d
      
      Haha good one Ian
      But some of us won’t have to worry about that…
      
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      August 3, 2020 8:52pm
Simon

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The Lab/Nat clown show will be praying for a Trump win in November.

If Biden wins the Wuhan virus magically disappears and all is fine. All that is left is loser hermit nation NZ. The plebs will be confused then angry with the Lab/Nat clown show.

If Trump wins then the Wuhan virus Black Death narrative continues which is vital for to hide Lab/Nat clown show failures.
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August 3, 2020 8:19am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Whatever it is you’re smoking, I don’t want any.
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:47am
  - Simon
    
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    “Whatever it is you’re smoking, I don’t want any.”
    
    Lol – if Biden wins you will become confused and then angry.
    
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    August 3, 2020 9:12am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Simple Simon met a pieman going to the fair.
      You know the rest.
      
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      August 3, 2020 10:10am
      - RJ
        
        But this Simon is going to the big house once he is done for election fraud
        
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        August 3, 2020 12:49pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Given his comments, I think he’s taking suppositories.
    
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    August 3, 2020 9:55am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Give the world Biden–a real novel President, the first old folks dementia ward representative. Endorsed by Ardern and other fellow travellers.
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:06am
- double d
  
  I laugh when I read silly comments like this
  I have no skin in the game when it comes to the US election.
  Trump is deranged and a narcissist- but his economic settings have been good
  Democrats are more right wing than national so again economically the settings will be ok. They are more progressive than my political setting, but as I am in my mid 50s the world they create will not be my issue.
  Pfft
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:57pm
Maggie Pie

It’s only 47 days out from the Election and I’ve just blocked Jamie-Lee Ross on Twitter.
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August 3, 2020 8:21am
- Tall Man
  
  What took you so long?
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:55am
- RJ
  
  What took so long? I bet you still have falloon on hoping for some nude pics, just not of him
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:08am
Simon

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Laughing at the state of emergency in Victoria.

Blind stupid panic.

Good win here for the Lab/Nat clown show.
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August 3, 2020 8:22am
- RJ
  
  Only one clown show I can see, and that is you.
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:08am
- Happychappy
  
  Obviously you are very bitter that Winston and his corrupt policy won’t be there as part of the next Parliament to push through more help to those in the Fishing industry and Racing Fraternity ,
  but I guess it will be everyone elses fault and not corruption that you will blame Simon.
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:24am
Durden

The arrogant Lloyd Jones making snarky noises and excuses for fellow “writer” Boochani. Just in case you did not know, writers are, in the minds of other writers, very special beings in the world.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12352667

In simple terms, Boochani LIED on his visa application about his intentions for the visit and would have personally signed a declaration. He should be deported like anyone else who did that would be. Consideration of refugee status does not even arise in this situation.

“Cases of people seeking political asylum are heard as they arise. There is, however, a quota for refugees” .

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/07/behrouz-boochani-given-refugee-status-in-new-xealand.html

Boochani got refugee status. He did NOT get political asylum. He queue jumped other refugees waiting in line.

This is usual age-old elitists’ problem of thinking they are somehow special.

Apparently it is ok for some to use tricks and stratagems to support their own type “the wit and generosity of Ngai Tahu to create a research fellowship for him”.

Oh and apparently Mr Jones knows exactly what Judith Collins knows — ” But none of this appears to make a dent for Smith or Collins – the latter leading the media on with innuendo and a wink and a nudge that she has “something” on Boochani. She does not – and grinning into a TV camera does not convince otherwise.”

There will also be a consequence which they don’t care about. Australian processes having been meddled with/bypassed by a small bunch of elitist entitled NZ idiots, the Aussies will no doubt retaliate in some form to hurt the rest of the NZ traveling/migrating public.
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August 3, 2020 8:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He doesn’t seem very happy here in NZ…
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/31/free-but-restless-behrouz-boochani-takes-tentative-first-steps-into-new-life
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:27am
  - sooty
    
    He is never leaving our shores!
    He’s here for ever!
    
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    August 3, 2020 8:42am
    - Unity
      
      He needs to go – post haste!!
      
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      August 3, 2020 1:26pm
  - Ruahine
    
    Diddums.
    
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    August 3, 2020 8:55am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    “It’s difficult for me to support or trust any politicians. Power is always dangerous, and it is our duty as active citizens to always push back,” he says. “Jacinda Ardern, I am not going to admire her – it is against my principles to say any politician is good.”
    
    Does this include Golriz Ghahraman? He doesn’t sound happy so hopefully he will go elsewhere eventually, once he’s used up all his goodwill here and pissed off all the suckers who helped him. Hopefully he has KB on his watchlist. I get a real narc whiff from him.
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:01am
- Swifty
  
  Not one of the many articles I’ve read on this gentlemen ask the basic questions of:
  
  1. Exactly what was the ‘persecution’ by the Iranian government that this person was subject to and why was this action allegedly taken against him?
  
  2. Why didn’t he stay and ‘fight’ this persecution, rather than run away?
  
  3. Why did he choose to pay people-smugglers too take him oceans-away (to Australia) rather than slip in to a safe and nearby nation?
  
  4. Why did he choose Aussie? Was it that, under Labor, it was seen as an easy touch?
  
  5. Why did he choose not to stay in PNG? He is free from Iranian ‘persecution’ and he could live a very good life there – why is that not a refuge?
  
  Until we get answers to these questions I believe we are, legitimately, entitled to view his story with suspicion and that he is but a country-shopper.
  
  It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if down the track it was proven that this guy was just trying to escape drug debts or hoodlums and/or just fancied a new life in the free and wealthy West – as millions of others have done in recent years.
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:43am
  - Ruawai
    
    Wonder whose idea it was to get involved with Golriz, did she go to him or him to her for assistance in his plan.
    
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    August 3, 2020 9:14am
    - Tall Man
      
      The full honest and unabridged story will be in the next edition of her CV, which may be required sooner than she thinks.
      
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      August 3, 2020 9:59am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Australia don’t want this guy. In 5 years he will be eligible to become a New Zealand citizen and could normally travel to Australia. I am sure Australia will be on to this. They will change the law so that any New Zealand citizens that were once detained on Manus Island (or similiar facilities) will never set foot in Australia.
    
    Of course letting this guy stay in New Zealand just erodes further the relationship with Australia.
    
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    August 3, 2020 9:57am
    - Jack5
      
      Benedict, the change by Canberra would be ending visa free entry from NZ to Australia.
      
      Policing visa-free entry for border crashers would remove any advantage to Australia of visa-free entry.
      
      Giving refuge to people who attack the Australian borders threatens our visa-free entry to Australia.
      
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      August 3, 2020 10:44am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I don’t think it threatens visa free entry. It threatens the Trans Tasman Travel Agreement which allows New Zealanders to live and work in Australia.
        
        That agreement only works if Australia and New Zealand are not too divergent economically and socially. That divergence is on full display with the current Government. I mean Scomo is polite in public but can you imagine the conversations he has with his colleagues after another visit from the New Zealand PM? He would get on well with Judith.
        
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        August 3, 2020 1:19pm
      - Jack5
        
        Benedict, are you saying that Australia wouldn’t mind Boochani entering Australia as long as he didn’t work and plan to stay?
        
        If Boochani as an NZ resident tries to go through the NZ back door to Australia, how could Australia stop him?
        
        NZ has also offered to take other border crashers detained by Australia.
        
        Unless Australia scrapped visa-free entry for New Zealand citizens and residents, how would it keep them out?
        
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        August 3, 2020 5:30pm
  - Justitia
    
    Boochani had also been offered resettlement in the US. He was not therefore a refugee for NZ purposes as his removal from New Zealand would not have resulted in refoulement, which is UN Convention-speak for the forcible return of a refugee to a country where he is liable to persecution. There is a legally illiterate article by someone called Lana Hart in today’s Stuff which asserts we were obliged to take him in because refugee status is “declarative”. Bollocks. All claims for asylum must be assessed against well established criteria. This was a political deal.
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:14am
    - mark15
      
      ILG’s last spiteful act as minister.
      Weasel.
      
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      August 3, 2020 12:05pm
      - Flossie
        
        Or was he just following orders?
        
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        August 3, 2020 12:54pm
  - The Housekeeper
    
    So afraid of the Iranian authorities that he had to move in with his mother, in his hometown. A move that so eluded the authorities that he was able to be visited by 2 of the Werya journos that had been arrested. A master of disguise perhaps?
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/nov/15/day-of-the-imprisoned-writer-behrouz-bouchani-detained-on-manus-island
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:21am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    Having shown his disregard for the laws of Iran, Indonesia and Australia, which, if any, NZ laws does he intend to ignore?
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:24am
    - The Housekeeper
      
      Whoops, add NZ to that list for lying on his visa application!
      
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      August 3, 2020 10:27am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Why did he not go to the US where he was accepted already?
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:33am
    - The Housekeeper
      
      LAR – Small fish, big pond
      
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      August 3, 2020 11:22am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Sort of the same questions we should ask GOLY.
    
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    August 3, 2020 2:01pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  “In simple terms, Boochani LIED on his visa application about his intentions for the visit and would have personally signed a declaration. He should be deported like anyone else who did that would be.”
  
  Like Karel Sroubek, you mean? We already know that there are special people with direct links to very high office, for whom the normal rules don’t apply.
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:50am
  - Tall Man
    
    More of a “line” rather than a link in sroubek’s case.
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:00am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Very hard to pin down matters of “previous intent”.
    
    Just ask people who bought real estate without any intention of making a short-term profit …. 🙂
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:21am
    - Tall Man
      
      Ian, like many, you fall into the trap assuming that inflation is profit.
      
      Buying a house and making a “profit” without improvement is a very rare event and a false assumption.
      
      Every house we have bought for profit has been updated and improved for the next purchaser and the “profit” included in our tax declaration, along with all the costs and expenses in generating that profit.
      
      I am quite sure there are those that fail to do that but they are well into the minority and the IRD is a lot smarter than you think.
      
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      August 3, 2020 10:29am
      - Ian Boag
        
        You must be the first residential “investor” I have had anything to do with who has declared every purchase as being “for profit”. Costs and expenses typically get written off against income don’t they?
        
        the trap assuming that inflation is profit
        
        If general inflation is running at 2% and real estate is picking up 8% per year then there is some genuine “profit” here. Unless you want to define
        a special kind of “inflation” as the amount that real estate appreciates by ….
        
        If I buy a place for 500k with 100k of my money and 400k from the bank. And I sell it for 600k a while later (all figures net) my 100k has runed into 200k. Must be some “profit” in there someplace ….
        
        the IRD is a lot smarter than you think
        Could be – I can’t say I have ever read about a prosecution….
        
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        August 3, 2020 2:01pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Ian, people are seldom prosecuted by the IRD as they cough up. A 400% penalty tax threat creates a fearsome focus of attention.
        
        We have dealt with numerous investors like ourselves. One of our rules of engagement is that clients must adhere to the tax laws and we’re not short of clients.
        
        Someone who moves into a home and renovates then moves on is hardly a tax problem for NZ. The time taken usually exceeds any taxation requirement.
        
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        August 3, 2020 5:37pm
  - Paulus
    
    Will be easier to do whatever they want after the election in September – three Labour, Maori, Greens clean years.
    Remember it is Ngai Tahu who have given Boochani a job at Cantebury Uni in support of his visa.
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:53am
    - The Housekeeper
      
      I cannot fathom why Ngai Tahu are supporting him when they have so many of their own needing help. Why risk your hard earned reputation for pragmatism and prudence on such a wild card? What’s to gain for your own people? This guy’s job is a homeland for Kurdish people. Nothing wrong with that if you’re Kurdish. Why are Ngai Tahu funding that? Have they now more resources than they need to fight their own causes?
      
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      August 3, 2020 1:14pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Is Lloyd Jones a fiction writer or a journo? Mind you, not much difference these days between the two.
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:42am
- Rachael Membery
  
  As is their right and so they should.
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:36pm
Justitia

“Peaceful protest”? BLM paramilitary drilling (illegally but without hindrance from the Police) in London yesterday: https://twitter.com/i/status/1289902523365691392

“As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding”…
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August 3, 2020 8:24am
- Tall Man
  
  Fists clenched I see.
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:03am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I want the law to be applied and make their arseholes clench myself.
    
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    August 3, 2020 1:01pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  its the brownshirts 2020 style.
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:46pm
Durden

Did anybody recently hear Wayne Mapp on the radio (RNZ during lunch time news) using the old excuse “I forgot”?

About a defense briefing he received ? And he wants us to trust him, that his statements made to reporters that conveniently ignored facts from the (forgotten) briefing were not intentional.

Who here believes him?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018757407
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August 3, 2020 8:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I believe him…
  
  I can well believe that he didn’t get the significance of what he was being told and other matters figured more strongly in his mind.
  
  I base the above on the fact that Dr Mapp was spun a merry tale by NIWA when he was Min of Science and he didn’t twig to what was going on.
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:32am
  - All_on_Red
    
    He still doesn’t know
    
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    August 3, 2020 9:50am
- Lance
  
  I’m waiting for the public apology from Hagar for calling our soldiers murders.
  Since the inquiry found they acted in the highest professional manner according to the rules of engagement. That the operation was meticulously planed and carried out.
  …. crickets
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:33am
  - alloytoo
    
    Imagine a Skinny Infinite mobile data plan.
    
    Imagine Hagar at one end and ethics at the other.
    
    Remember it’s “infiniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite”
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:30am
- Yvette
  
  “It is a huge injustice and the New Zealand Defence Force owes apologies and reparations to the Afghan families of the victims” – Sarah Atkinson, Hit and Run Inquiry Campaign group spokesperson [1]
  
  To whom wlll reparation be paid – there are now three versions of who was actually killed
  
  The book correctly identified some of the people killed and injured, and that there were civilians among them and there was also some damage to buildings.
  However, “the operations were not revenge operations; nor were they ‘ill-conceived’,” the report states.
  “The New Zealand forces involved acted professionally, although several miscalculations or errors have been made.”
  It said the claim there were no insurgents present in the villages at the time of the operation was incorrect. [2]
  
  Hit & Run, a book co-authored by investigative journalist Nicky Hager, alleged a young girl named Fatima was killed in the operation. The inquiry was satisfied she was not killed in Operation Burnham. However, it said it was likely a young girl aged between 8-10 years old did die in the operation. [3]
  
  The book “Hit & Run” details 6 dead –
  1 three-year old girl [Fatima], and 5 adult men [2]
  
  Chief of Defence Force, Lieutenant General Tim Keating –
  4 adult males, 1 adult female and one child aged six
  Some days after the operation, the Provincial Governor of Baghlan Province, Governor Mojid, received a delegation of villagers who claimed that “a very big operation had occurred with helicopters…that some landed and the operation was firing at civilians and left. The locals claimed that six civilians were killed, 4 adult males, 1 adult female and one child aged six. Additionally there were two adult females being treated in a local hospital for wounds. [4]
  
  So now, after the expenditure of $7 million, there are three versions of the most crucial issue – who were the six civilians who were actually killed. It is vital, if compensation was to be considered, but perhaps less relevant if Ardern is just going to profoundly apologise for it ever having happened
  
  The Inquiry – did find a child was killed during Operation Burnham in Afghanistan in 2010, but the operation that led to her death was justified under international law. Four other people were also killed, but the government inquiry could not determine if they were civilians or insurgents. [5]
  
  Are deaths to be compensated for, if a $7 million government inquiry could not determine if they were civilians or insurgents?
  
  [1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/422515/call-for-nz-defence-force-to-apologise-to-villages-where-civilians-were-killed
  [2] https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/likely-child-killed-inquiry-into-afghanistan-operation-finds-significant-failings-nzdf
  [3] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/90798790/afghan-villagers-engage-nz-lawyer-over-hit-and-run-sas-raid
  [4] http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1703/S00340/press-conference-on-operation-burnham.htm
  [5] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/422439/operation-burnham-report-nzdf-deeply-sorry-for-misleading-ministers-and-public
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    Moral of the story, don’t shoot at soldiers.
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:06am
- Tall Man
  
  Better question, “who here cares”.
  
  Maybe the “civilian deaths” would not have occurred in the twits inside the compound had elected to “NOT” shoot at trained soldiers carrying weapons.
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:05am
Lance

I am nostalgic for the good old days, you know, when $12M for a flag referendum could create uncontrolled public shrieking and cries of “think of the dying children” blaa blaa.
Reports cost $30M in bulk discount now and the largess is measured in billions.
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August 3, 2020 8:31am
- igm
  
  What is the guts on this further donation of taxpayers’ money to beneficiaries who have wasted their taxpayer-paid income on booze, drugs, takeaways, etc?
  We already pay for their housing their breeding habits and ancillaries . . . enough is enough!
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:44am
  - MCos
    
    Every day I can set my clock by you grumbling about beneficiaries.
    
    Well, you can rant & rave as much as you like, nothing’s going to change no matter which wretched party is in government.
    
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    August 3, 2020 9:51am
    - Tall Man
      
      Actually young man things were changing under the WINZ targetted regime put in pace during the final days of the Bill English Government.
      
      WINZ has isolated the “most at risk” and discovered they were from a surprisingly small amount of families, when compared to the hundreds of thousands on benefits, and little extra input was required to make a large impact.
      
      Under his auspices maori teenage pregnancy fell for the first time ever, a situation that labour has managed to reverse surprisingly quickly.
      
      I have seen the positive results of targetted welfare and I am quite sure Mrs English may have had a finger in that particular pie.
      
      So you are wrong, things can change for the better if there is a common will.
      
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      August 3, 2020 10:11am
      - wimpston peeeders
        
        facts like that will make a looney leftist throw a tantrum.
        
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        August 3, 2020 12:43pm
    - igm
      
      I do not complain about beneficiaries per se’.
      I am critical of unemployable, self-entitled leeches who are too tired to work, but continue to breed feral brats because they are given taxpayers’ monetary support to do so.
      This is, under this despicable CoL, climbing out of control.
      
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      August 3, 2020 10:14am
      - wimpston peeeders
        
        they should be offering increase in benefit payments for those that have been sterilized instead of being increased for breeding more scum.
        
        I fail to see why breeding while unable to support themselves to start with is rewarded with more $$$ .
        
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        August 3, 2020 12:46pm
Maggie Pie

I was on my break last night and happened to catch Chuck Berry calling into NewstalkZB. He had a number of intersting things to say about Sleepy Joe Biden, TDS, and nasty rumors doing the rounds in this country about the ‘looney left’.
I’m well aware of Chuck’s fierce opposition to abortion and that of a woman’s right to choose, but the matters he raised with Bruce Russell actually made a bit of sense.

Just saying.
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August 3, 2020 8:40am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Chuck Bird, do you mean Maggie?
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:56am
  - RJ
    
    No she was channeling chuck berry, she sees dead people.
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    Tony I thought he was a “what’s in it for wynston” voter not a singer 🙂
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:13am
Happychappy

Government slammed for being most anti landlord in history despite rising
House prices.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2020/08/government-slammed-as-most-anti-landlord-in-history-despite-rising-house-prices.html
What will Jacinda come up with to combat stories like this as it shows her Wellbeing and Kindness policy is bullshit.
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August 3, 2020 8:40am
Surely Knott

Is the weird religious branding of the PM part of a deliberate marketing strategy by labour and their media arm. It started with the mosque shooting image where she was photographed as the Madonna, then Newshub last week push polls asking if she’s “Our Saviour” and this week Willie Jackson describes Jacinda as an “Angel. “, saying “”All we’ve got to think about is our angel, Jacinda.”?!?! What the heck? She is the PM not a three year old.
It all seems like a deliberate attempt to stop us talking about Labours *cough* achievements, or the economy.
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August 3, 2020 8:55am
- igm
  
  Makes one sick . . . and to think our tax dollars are buying this crap in he guise of free media financial support.
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:24am
- Happychappy
  
  Willie is known for backing losers remember the Roast Busters anything to do with sex or Jacinda has him fantasizing.
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:56am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    The imagery in that post really needs to come with a trigger warning, eye bleach, and cortical sanitiser.
    
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    August 3, 2020 12:26pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Willie Jackson and many other useless Labour MP’s know they have Jacinda to thank for them finding themselves with the best paying gig they will ever have. If Andrew Little had not stepped aside, Labour would be in opposition not government.
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:24am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Labour would be polling south of NZFist
    
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    August 3, 2020 1:08pm
- JackRabbit
  
  St Jacinda, a modern day Theodora of Byzantium.
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:24am
  - Jack5
    
    A timely reference there, JackRabbit. Had to look the name up in Wikipedia and found this.
    
    Theodora and Justinian built the Hagia Sophia, for a thousand years the greatest cathedral of Christendom. In recent weeks Turkey converted the Hagia Sophia into a mosque for the second time in the great building’s history.
    
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    August 3, 2020 12:28pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      All true. But… Indulge me:
      
      The early Bible included teachings about re-incarnation – that aligned with the understanding that the soul and the flesh were not one which of course it cannot be if the soul lives on after death. Either re-incarnating in a new body or going to Club Med heaven, depending on your beliefs.
      
      Theodora wanted to be a Goddess, a ruler, a saint.
      
      “And it was precisely on this point that the biblically recognised fact of reincarnation provided a stumbling block: For how could a woman enter eternity as a goddess when everyone was supposed to be reborn? What could prevent the errant empress from being reborn as a completely normal person—even as a simple beggar? Theodora knew that as long as reincarnation was anchored fast in Christian consciousness, the people would never accept her as a goddess. And so the doctrine of reincarnation had to be completely blotted out.”
      
      https://www.facts-are-facts.com/article/reincarnation-the-churchs-biggest-lie
      
      Like Theodora (and Hitler), Cindy is behaving like a deity that we should follow without question.
      
      “You can trust us as a source of information.”
      “Unless you hear it from us it is not the truth.”
      – St Cindy, March 2020.
      
      And Like Theodora, Cindy and the media are blotting out the truth and along with the media and lefties, re-writing the history of NZ – which has being going on forever.
      
      It is the manipulation of the truth, the Covid fear porn, and the re-classification of any opposing views as hate speech, that makes her like Theodora.
      
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      August 3, 2020 2:07pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  “Dear Leader” is already taken.
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:45am
Peter Lane

This from a UK Telegraph opinion piece from Jeremy Warner. It could easily be describing the situation in NZ.

“For now, trust in the Government remains surprisingly high, but I suspect only because its various support schemes have worked almost too well in suppressing the underlying surge in unemployment. The mood will swing violently when the reality starts to come through. People will become a lot less forgiving of the myriad incompetencies and misjudgments that have thus far characterised the Government’s approach to the pandemic once out of a job and a compensating government pay cheque.”
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August 3, 2020 8:58am
Maggie Pie

BANKSY’s ON!! 😀
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August 3, 2020 9:09am
- Inandout
  
  MP, love his straight shooting.
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:15am
- Tall Man
  
  You’re easily pleased.
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:17am
- igm
  
  Wish they would replace Williams with him. Bet McIvor on ZB takes a hit with Banks on Magic.
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:44am
Tony Stuart

I posted the following on Twitter last night. Why is a supposedly independent media outlet publishing an “op-ed” written by the Prime Minister during the regulated election period? Does this constitute an election advertisement, and if so, where is the authorisation statement. Will National get the same opportunity?

https://twitter.com/TonyStuart55/status/1289835333908078592

So many questions. The media outlet in question was Magic Talk, which is part of the Mediaworks stable, which also runs Newshub. Many would argue that Newshub has, in recent months, been strongly favourable towards Labour and its partners, and openly hostile towards National. It was Newshub which led its 6pm news last week with the stunning “revelation” that a 14-year-old William Wood once posted something stupid on social media.

I suspect the Electoral Commission might be in for a busy day today…
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August 3, 2020 9:20am
- BAM
  
  it’s fairly obvious they’ve been bought off.
  The problem is proving it, especially as it looks like everyone else has been too.
  
  No media organisation is going to expose anything as they’re all neck deep in government money as well.
  
  We’re a bit stuffed really, no idea what we can do about it.
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:01am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I think we are stuffed, but then again, as a famous man once said about something far worse, “when you’re going through hell, keep going”. I certainly wouldn’t compare my or our situation to that which he and his fellow citizens faced. I’m pretty sure that “this too shall pass” except it’s gonna leave a lot of unnecessary and avoidable clinical and financial misery in its wake for hundreds of thousands of New Zealand families.
    
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    August 3, 2020 12:29pm
- tf78
  
  Tony, Sean Plunket is a breath of fresh air!
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:05am
  - Tall Man
    
    Or a smelly old fart depending on his mood and nookie supply …..
    
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    August 3, 2020 5:55pm
Ruawai

My parents in law are seriously thinking of voting Labour as they heard National will be stopping the pension, National need to make sure when they talk about stopping contributions to the super fund that older people don’t mix this up with stopping the super payments to them.
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August 3, 2020 9:22am
- Cassandra
  
  This is a compelling argument for some sort of comprehension test before being allowed to vote. Surely people are not that stupid. Hmmm, I think Ruawai might have answered my question.
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:47am
- RJ
  
  Goldsmith said Super Fund contributions, if your in-laws can not understand that then I don’t know how more simple they can actually say it, at that point perhaps you can take over and explain what Super Fund contributions are to them
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:16am
  - Flossie
    
    That’s easily said RJ. It seems fortunate that Ruawai is there to educate their in-laws, but I’ve heard the same thing (the Nats will cancel the pension!) from several others. And some of these people will not be persuaded that this is not the case.
    
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    August 3, 2020 11:07am
    - Ruawai
      
      Just think National should know to make it very clear to pensioners that their money is safe, you can’t assume.
      
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      August 3, 2020 12:26pm
    - RJ
      
      I haven’t heard any such crap from any of the elderly I know who understand very well what goldsmith is talking about. It is plainly obvious they aren’t talking about the pension, he’ll just showed the comment to my 82 year old father who said good the money isn’t there to the pension fund.
      
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      August 3, 2020 12:46pm
- Jack5
  
  A good point, Ruawai. Lefties could twist this.
  
  It would be poor politicking to write off a section of voters as “too dumb to grasp what we are really saying”.
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:54am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Call them deplorables, that worked well elsewhere . . .
    
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    August 3, 2020 1:14pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Winston First has been targeting the thick, ignorant and confused forever. He gets highest net positives with those on under $70k a year. ie thickos.
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:22pm
oldpark

After watching and listening to Arderns performance over the weekend as she seems quite easy and relaxed as she goes all out for the Maori Vote . Why am I not surprised as it is the Maori Seats that in an MMP enviornment that was recommended by the Royal Commission into the whys and wheres of MMP . In fact their need was said to be surplus .
Does perception give the impression that the seats are in fact Racist . Surely not as “Auntie Cindy Ardern” control freak wants them aboard to keep her and her Government in Power . Must be alright then . Yeah ! Right!
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August 3, 2020 9:32am
Maggie Pie

A twitter bestie retweeted……

https://twitter.com/AlyssaMastro44/status/1288083326125912064
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August 3, 2020 9:34am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, that tape attached to Jacinda’s scarf reminds me of the old guy from ‘Are You Being Served’ who used to wear the measurer around his neck. Only the most senior menswear person could be so attired.
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:20am
Cassandra

The Maori seats are a racist anachronism which should have been abolished years ago, along with anything else which is based on race. Appalling discrimination. Maori should be ashamed.
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August 3, 2020 9:49am
- Ruawai
  
  Maori seats are just extra Labour seats now.
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:18am
  - MCos
    
    Putting aside whether or not the Maori seats are an anachronism, Matt King would surely lose Northland if all the voters up there were on the general roll.
    
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    August 3, 2020 10:57am
    - emmess
      
      Yes, to Labour
      So be it
      If all the advantage is for our side, then why would the left ever agree to it?
      
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      August 3, 2020 1:32pm
    - Tall Man
      
      They wouldn’t be all in the same electorate and there would be boundary changes so like so often before, you don’t know what you are talking about.
      
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      August 3, 2020 5:53pm
  - Prince
    
    Doesn’t really matter under MMP, they just soak up a few MP spots that would otherwise be allocated on merit. Look how many Labour Maori MP’s are trusted with serious portfolios.
    
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    August 3, 2020 12:03pm
    - Ruawai
      
      Maori should see they had better representation of their seats and views when Maori party were in coalition with National and not lost a part of the Labour party.
      
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      August 3, 2020 12:29pm
  - Durden
    
    If the Maori party had any sense and needed a strategy, they could put forward an argument to all Maoridon. On the lines of:
    
    With NZ First and Greens gone, we in Maoridom now have a great opportunity to bring a strong Maori party into the parliament and control the government. So vote for Maori Party candidates in Maori seats and in places like Northland, East Coast, Bay of Plenty/Rotorua and so on. That will give us up to seven MPs from Maori Electorate and 3-5 from Maori dominant general electorates.
    
    We can be Kingi makers !
    
    Instead their current silly leaders will talk about grievances and arranged marriages 🙁
    
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    August 3, 2020 12:55pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The Maori Party declared this year that they were aligned with Labour not National.
      
      Māori Party President Che Wilson indicating a strong preference for Labour.
      
      “We’re clear that our people align more to Labour and so we are open to having a conversation with Labour.
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/409006/maori-party-president-wary-of-national-partnership-it-kicked-us-out
      
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      August 3, 2020 3:12pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I can understand why the Maori seats first instituted in the 19th century.
  
  They are way past their use by date. Each Maori electorate has far fewer constituents than the general roll seats.
  
  Secondly the number of Maori MPs sitting in General roll seats now is higher than their % of the general population. National had a Maori leader and deputy, Winston leads NZ First and his Deputy is Maori as is Ron Marks and Shane Jones.. National has Shane Reti and Labour has Kiri Allan and a few more.
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:36am
Benedict Yu

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300072380/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-says-victoria-outbreak-pushes-transtasman-bubble-well-into-the-future

This annoys me. The media report this statement by the PM as a headline revelation. I think we all worked out a month ago that the “trans tasman bubble” was off the agenda. Instead of stating the obvious how about some scenario analysis of an exit plan? Or is this it? We stay like this?
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August 3, 2020 9:53am
- alloytoo
  
  Well the very obvious question is why are we not expanding our bubble to Covid free Pacific islands?
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:38am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    They won’t want us after Ardern couldn’t stop measles getting around.
    
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    August 3, 2020 12:17pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I just don’t think the Cook Islands is a priority for the Government. If it was we would be travelling there weeks ago.
    
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    August 3, 2020 1:22pm
- Jack5
  
  Forgotten islands, cut off for centuries, until a new Captain Cook crashes through the isolation?
  
  We could all be in on a new treaty .?
  
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  August 3, 2020 10:56am
- MCos
  
  The exit plan has effectively been put in place by the Victorian State government.
  
  We could let people from Australia fly over here unhindered for a spot of skiing anytime we want, of course. No doubt a certain percentage of the population would think that’s a great idea, but they’d have the slopes to themselves along with the Aussie visitors.
  
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  August 3, 2020 11:08am
  - Tall Man
    
    If I was a skier I’d be there. Don’t see many 80+ skiers.
    
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    August 3, 2020 11:38am
    - sooty
      
      They do make sleds, don’t cha know!
      
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      August 3, 2020 2:30pm
      - Tall Man
        
        2 meter social distancing makes it too hard to tow them up the hills 😉
        
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        August 3, 2020 5:39pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  how can comrade ardern release a plan when there is none?
  
  Out of interest are kiwis allowed to leave nz if the recieving country allows us in or are we stuck in a new north korea type scenario?
  
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  August 3, 2020 12:50pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No of course you can go. You can travel to the UK tomorrow.
    
    France is letting in anyone from:
    
    Australia, Canada, Georgia, Japan, Morocco, New Zealand, Rwanda, South Korea, Thailand, Tunisia, Uruguay
    
    No quarantine on arrival – walk right in. You can probably travel to most of the EU also but I don’t have time to look it up.
    
    AFAIK you can also travel to the USA and Canada, although I think I would skip the USA for now.
    
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    August 3, 2020 1:27pm
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      just read that almost 10k more left nz then arrived (18.5K depart and 9k arrive) I wonder if thats why they chose to charge quarantine for 90day or less?
      
      I know not all of them were previous returnees but 18.5k @ $3k a pop is 54mil so even 10% of them less then 90day stay chargeable is still a large sum and thats just 1 month, watch the mass exodus as nz gets flushed further down the shitter
      
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      August 3, 2020 8:56pm
johnny78

ACT are looking more and more impressive. Take the residential tenancies act that the regime is now planning to sneak through this week under urgency. So much for the democratic process, only when it is convenient for the left!. I am very disappointed that National has not opposed this abomination more forcefully.
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August 3, 2020 10:02am
JibberJabber

Things are slowly starting to dawn in the minds of some of the Press, it’s probably too late tho’, a hard rain is gonna fall before things get better.
Now that journalists themselves are beginning to get cancelled, wakey, wakey from this Woke nightmare asap, Cheers.
https://newdiscourses.com/2020/07/hurtling-toward-totalitarianism-call-action-defense-all-we-hold-dear/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8583963/Revolution-sweeping-newsrooms-sees-journalists-deviate-liberal-orthodoxy-hounded-out.html
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August 3, 2020 10:06am
- JackRabbit
  
  It is the fear of speaking out that may be skewing the polls here in NZ. The election outcome may not be as slanted to the left as the media portray.
  
  On the face of it, it would appear that an overwhelming majority of New Zealand are in love with Jacinda. After the election as the NZ economy tanks, it might be hard to find anyone who admits to voting for her.
  
  I was talking to a young Uni Student taking business courses a few days ago. He and his mates have been enjoying reading Jordan Peterson. According to him, there is a lot of interest in the likes of Jordan Peterson, sparked by concerns about the recent radical shift towards socialism. There is hope. Not all young people are mesmerized by Saint Jacinda.
  
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  August 3, 2020 12:12pm
Surely Knott

More fakenews from Newshub.
Newshubs latest article, “Jacinda promises to help family of 6 stuck in cramped emergency accommodation.” The woman, who is a 28 year old recovering drug addict with 4 kids and one on the way, had visited 30 rental properties but was unable to find accomodation she said in her interview with Duncan Garner last week.

But in the facebook comments on Newshub’s original story , it was revealed that Susan and her partner had rent arrears of $16,000 and they had defaulted on their rent. See link below. Newshub completely omitted the $16000 debt from their story. It is misleading to say Jacinda is helping the family unless she is paying for it herself. Jacinda will commit taxpayers to help this woman. It is unclear who will help the landlord or the taxpayer. Newshub shame on you for not reporting the full story.
https://tmmonline.nz/article/976516865/rent-arrears-end-tenancies-in-lockdown
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August 3, 2020 10:23am
- Flossie
  
  Not the first time Garner has jumped on a cause without knowing – or maybe disclosing – all the facts. Does anyone else recall him waxing lyrically about the publican up north who had his pokies removed because he’d seen a woman gambling while her kids were in the carpark? Wonderful, caring bloke!!
  Can’t rightly recall the details, but turned out the pokies had been removed by the powers-that-be for some transgression on the publican’s part I think it was.
  
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  August 3, 2020 11:48am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  it was obvious just looking at her that she was either ex heroin or meth, disgusting that cindy is going to get her ahead in the que.
  
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  August 3, 2020 12:52pm
- hilaryt
  
  I have NO TIME for people who can’t control their fertility in the face of other ‘issues’ in their lives. Surely that’s the least they can get right…he gets the snip or she gets the prick, ha, or preferably both. God only knows how many of the nearly 5 now have their own health issues if Mum is so impaired.
  
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  August 3, 2020 2:22pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Agree. It’s just not sustainable for her family or for NZ. I think ACT’s policy here of taking away the cash benefits and replacing them with a managed card with restrictions for people who continue to have multiple children when on a benefit. Especially considering she’s defaulted on her housing payments to the tune of $16k and now asking the taxpayer to provide the next house. Good policy should have stopped this. And would have had her working for families money going directly to her housing provider and utilities.
    
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    August 3, 2020 5:20pm
Maggie Pie

AND… now for something completely different 😀

ZEROHEDGE has all the skinny!

https://twitter.com/SGTreport/status/1290015017320845316
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August 3, 2020 10:39am
Flossie

Seeing the young cystic fibrosis sufferer on TV this morning and hearing of the enormous cost of her necessary drugs brings me again to questioning the costs of Pike River re-entry. We have apparently millions to spend on this open ended quest – to achieve what? Do we seriously think there’s going to be a definitive “what happened” answer? There are of course many other people for whom a few million from Pharmac would be an actual life saver.
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August 3, 2020 10:48am
- herb1
  
  Jacinda has set the price she is prepared to spend to save a life.
  $35,000,000.
  $140,000,000,000 to save 4000 which if I recall seemed to be the most sound analysis of potential lives saved.
  Even if Arderns plucked 40,000 was correct it’s still 7 times what she won’t spend to save a young girls life.
  
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  August 3, 2020 2:35pm
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    Communists dont give a f**k about individuals thats the whole basis of the idealogy.
    
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    August 3, 2020 9:00pm
Jack5

Stuff is blurring the line between advertising and editorial comment.

In what looks to be a plug for NZ to take Muslim refugees from Yemen, Stuff includes the line:

This article was supplied as part of Stuff’s partnership with Unicef NZ.

Unicef New Zealand is a registered charity. In its last filed result, for 2019, it reported income of $13.9 million down from $30.26 million in 2018.

If it Stuff wants to run Unicef advertising it surely should be as advertising, not as purported independent news. This is especially so while Stuff Limited is on the take from taxpayers.

Should taxes be used to plant “news” in our media?

Stuff’s Unicef advertorial:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/300072501/no-child-should-grow-up-surrounded-by-the-sound-of-whistling-bombsA
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August 3, 2020 11:13am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Muslims in Yemen and thereabouts are making their own refugees. This is Sunni/Shia war.
  
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  August 3, 2020 12:22pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Yep. It’s a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
    
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    August 3, 2020 1:28pm
Maggie Pie

Will the ‘Maori Party’ have a candidate standing in Epsom?

Asking for a fiend.
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August 3, 2020 11:48am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  If there is indeed a fiend contemplating standing, could you ask them to first take demonic possession of a few other MPs besides those in Epsom. I’ve got a little list…
  
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  August 3, 2020 12:33pm
- RJ
  
  John Tamihere
  
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  August 3, 2020 12:44pm
- MCos
  
  ACT has got a Māori standing and there’s some confusion about the National puppet.
  
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  August 3, 2020 12:52pm
WaveyDavey

I see the bubble is back.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2020/08/coronavirus-several-months-at-least-before-trans-tasman-bubble-possible-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern.html

Funny how the announcement will be within shouting distance of Election Day. Amazing how circumstances in the Cook Islands have changed so dramatically from 2 months ago – oh that’s right they haven’t and are exactly the same.

A big feel-good reveal To boost the vote. Some might say a cynical use of the islands but I couldn’t possible comment.
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August 3, 2020 11:56am
- JackRabbit
  
  A statesman will work hard to secure the economy and the next generation.
  
  A corrupt politician will work hard to secure the next election. Spin doctoring, i.e. manipulation of the media and the truth is the biggest tool in their toolkit.
  
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  August 3, 2020 12:19pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  There can be no bubble with Aus and there never was any possibility. The Aussie States are running their borders and not going to let our interfering busybodies push them around.
  
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  August 3, 2020 12:25pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    True, although Queensland has it under control.
    
    But this was the dangling of a Cook Islands bubble that I was referring to
    
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    August 3, 2020 12:40pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      To the downvoters:
      
      NZ: Pop 5m active cases = 70 (22 deaths)
      QL: Pop 5m active cases = 18 (6 deaths)
      
      Still think we’re doing better than anywhere else?
      
      WA: Pop 2.6m active cases = 17 (9 deaths)
      SA: Pop 1.7m active cases = 10 (4 deaths)
      Tas: Pop 0.5m active cases = 13 (13 deaths)
      NT: Pop 0,25m active cases = 3 (0 deaths)
      
      The not so good
      
      Vic: Pop 6.5m active cases = 6642 (123 deaths)
      NSW: Pop 7.5m active cases = 806 (50 deaths)
      
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      August 3, 2020 5:28pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Look carefully at the immigrant populations of those two states then look carefully at the deaths.
        
        Ditto for Sweden and Begium.
        
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        August 3, 2020 5:49pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Yep
        
        The meat plant outbreak just happened to be a halal operation.
        
        Same in the UK with the Leicester flare up.
        
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        August 3, 2020 6:02pm
      - wimpston peeeders
        
        What states do lefties run?
        
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        August 3, 2020 9:02pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Queensland looking at options currently.
      
      Seems a few skanks, Maggie Pie taught me that word, are causing a few issues 😉
      
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      August 3, 2020 5:46pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It would not surprise me if she announces a new aid package to rescue Cook Islands and Samoa tourism. Whats another couple of hundred million?
  
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  August 3, 2020 1:30pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    You missed Tokelau…
    
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    August 3, 2020 2:45pm
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    china will triple what cindy and winny give them
    
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    August 3, 2020 9:04pm
Surely Knott

Newshub: “Ardern vs Goldsmith what are their parties planning to do with the economy?”

Ah shouldn’t that be Robinson vs Goldsmith?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/08/nz-election-2020-what-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-national-finance-spokesperson-paul-goldsmith-plan-to-do-with-the-economy-if-elected.html
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August 3, 2020 12:14pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was wondering what’s happened with this alleged ‘Sexual Assault Case’ that hit the headlines last year?
I told him someone in the group might know….butt things do appear to have gone very very quiet

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12212273
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August 3, 2020 1:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The trial was aborted after the 2nd week
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/auckland-trial-well-known-businessman-accused-indecent-assault-aborted
  
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  August 3, 2020 3:29pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, thx Maggs…my partner was aware of that bit.
    However he understood a NEW trial was ordered to be heard in the Auckland High Court during June of this year and was set down for 3 weeks..
    So far nothing to be seen. How odd is that?
    
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    August 3, 2020 3:48pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think quite a few trials needed to get a new date because of Lockdown….
      
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      August 3, 2020 4:09pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        My partner was saying he read where it involves ‘…a well known political figure’ (name suppressed).
        
        Hmmmm
        
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        August 3, 2020 4:16pm
      - sooty
        
        [Deleted – are you too idiotic to understand what “name supression” means? Mod.]
        
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        August 3, 2020 6:32pm
I remember when

Can’t wait for the Labour Party Election Policy releases.
Otherwise I wont know what Bills are going to be rushed through Parliament, under urgency, in July/August 2023.
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August 3, 2020 1:44pm
- DeepBlue
  
  With no new policy announcement pre election, I can only think Labour are:
  1. Going to carry forward their 2017 promises (1B trees, 100,000 houses etc)
  2. Going to be only doing COVID reaction for the next three years.
  
  Losers. Stand-up and say what you stand-for in 2020.
  
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  August 3, 2020 5:05pm
- MCos
  
  Looking at the National Party web site their main policies still seem to revolve around building roads and other infrastructure, but mainly roads.
  Nothing on the most pressing issue of our time, the continuing COVID-19 drama.
  Nothing on the old election favourite, law and order. What happened to Simon Bridges’ promise to obliterate the gangs with a special police force?
  
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  August 3, 2020 5:53pm
Observer of Life

HELP! My young son wants to find out accurate statistics on crime in NZ. Where can he go? He apparently has tried Googling ‘Crime Statistics NZ’ but nothing. Can you give him some suggestions or links? Cheers.
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August 3, 2020 2:12pm
- Batman
  
  Statistics NZ have crime and justice stats available to dive into on their website.
  
  https://www.stats.govt.nz/topics/crime-and-justice
  
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  August 3, 2020 2:30pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Thanks Batman!!
    
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    August 3, 2020 3:08pm
herb1

Genuine question.
If Ardern thinks that the Government charging $3000 to supposedly legally quarantine people returning from overseas could be legally challenged as “ denying entry” , what does she say about private companies who demand more than $3000 to fly people back here
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August 3, 2020 2:38pm
- double d
  
  But but but its a human right ……
  
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  August 3, 2020 9:28pm
MCos

Is this government getting you down?
Does National drive you to despair?
Hip Hop music get on your goat?

Here’s a wee video to remind you of the good old days?
https://twitter.com/daily__goats/status/1288375490563186688?s=21
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August 3, 2020 2:41pm
- Tall Man
  
  Another Head Hunters recruitment video.
  
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  August 3, 2020 5:43pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf8ri9AhUF0
PLA Mutiny?

The presitator is facing opposition by two PLA hawks.
General Leung [sp] and Dai Xi. The first wrote a book
Called Unrestricted Warfare. It had a game plan for making
China a superpower. He is against invading Taiwan.
He wants national rejuvenation as Chinas goal. That would
Give everyone a ‘good life’. An invasion of Taiwan would be
Too costly. The PLA lacks professionalism, and is full of
‘little emperors’. This is thanks to the one child policy,
and indulgent parents. The PLA is a law unto itself
budgetwise. American tariffs are very painful. The general
favors rationality over anger.

I’d be surprised if the PLA 86 the presitator. They let Mao get away with the GLF, and the Cultural Revolution.
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August 3, 2020 2:52pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9rgw4Gaf-s
Cold War 2.0 Acknowledged at Last.

What took them so long? New power blocs will form.
Old treaties will change, or vanish. China aspires to
replace the US as a super power. This could take a while.
Iran, China, and Russia may form a bloc. Obamas
administration did nothing to stop Chinas antics in
The South China Sea. Trump has. Having re-absorbed
Hong Kong, they want to re-absorb Taiwan. China and the
USA both have problems. When China rises, it loses
Stability, and dictatorship looms. The conflict between
the coast, and interior isn’t going away. These problems
are compounded by the fallout from the CCP virus.
There has already been a trade war since July 2018.
The world has been running on auto pilot since 1991.
Players are asking “What do we do now?”

Well, Cold War 1.0 worked out alright. Lets hope 2.0 does too.
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August 3, 2020 2:52pm
Engelbert Humperdink

Hey Cindy – are you keeping up?

“120 countries in the world, including much of Europe, have ordered citizens to wear masks in public places to prevent the spread of Covid-19, the Dutch are doing things differently.

The nation’s top scientists, having examined key data and research, have declared there is no firm evidence to back the use of face coverings. Indeed, they argue that wearing the wretched things may actually hamper the fight against disease.”

More at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8583925/The-land-no-face-masks-Hollands-scientists-say-theres-no-solid-evidence-coverings-work.html
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August 3, 2020 4:09pm
cas

My partner just asked me how many cases today so I went onto the Govt’s Unite against Covid 19 Facebook page. While I got the answer I noticed that “related pages”included Jacinda Ardern politician and the NZ Labour Party. Isn’t the Govt site meant to be impartial or am I just dreaming?
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August 3, 2020 4:28pm
- Batman
  
  That’s Facebook linking related pages via it’s algorithm.
  
  Mainly because they will use the PM’s name a lot and her page will like to Labour a lot.
  
  If it was 2016 it would probably have linked to Bill English and the National page.
  
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  August 3, 2020 4:33pm
  - Tall Man
    
    But it isn’t and it isn’t.
    
    The way facebook etc are trying to cleanse the right I doubt very much that Bill would be getting a look in today.
    
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    August 3, 2020 5:41pm
greybeard

It is now 2020.
In two years time it will be 2022, and there could be a chance that the current CoL will be in power.
Here is a timely reminder of what could be in store for us!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
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August 3, 2020 4:32pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  N ah, with the Parnell treehuggers in charge it’ll be Soykale Green.
  
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  August 3, 2020 6:03pm
Grey Skills

Love our political polls. Kiwis thinking clearly and happy with their jobs, businesses and prospects for their families and kids. And thrilled about the huge lolly scramble but forgetting “debt” can also be a cruel four-letter word.
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August 3, 2020 4:49pm
Jack5

Israel Folau makes a stand on his principles again.

He is the only player not to “take a knee” before a Super League match in Britain. He’s got guts.

Going on your knees in solidarity with Black Lives Matter is sweeping around non-ethnic-African sports people.

?? Go Folau! Kneel only to God if you are Christian. Kneel to no-one if you’re not.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/folau-only-player-not-to-take-a-knee-as-super-league-returns-20200803-p55hx3.html
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August 3, 2020 5:44pm
RJ

A Chinese medical expert, who fled to the US, has backed claims that the Covid-19 pandemic began in a military lab and was covered up by Chinese officials.

Dr Li Meng-Yan, a virology specialist from Hong Kong, fled to the US in fear she would be “disappeared” by Chinese forces over her findings and beliefs.

NZ Herald
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August 3, 2020 5:45pm
Engelbert Humperdink

Moah Cause to rejoice in our Dear Leader / sarc

https://www.aier.org/article/longer-lockdowns-associated-with-much-worse-economic-outcomes/
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August 3, 2020 6:02pm
Maggie Pie

WHO KNEW?

Birthdays can be good for your health.
Research has shown that the more you have the longer you’ll live.
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August 3, 2020 6:51pm
- Tall Man
  
  Poor sod born 29 Feb ……..
  
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  August 3, 2020 6:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How about 40 – going on 13?
  
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  August 3, 2020 7:03pm
- RJ
  
  True story, the more birthdays you have the better chance you have of returning to wearing nappies
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:13pm
Tall Man

Now continuing on from earlier in the day when Batman had the audacity to question my ability to post craziness and my ability to enter the realms of nuttiness …… Be warned Batman, the boss has given me a stinker of a Paddys so craziness may well ensue.

I’m sure I’m stealing another’s idea but ….. How about National release a policy to appoint ardern as our “International Hugger” after they win the election. She can run around the world, raising our international profile, bullshitting but not achieving much. Just like now but it allows the luvvies to keep her in the loop but let the adults get on with the job of fixing our country before it gets too fiscally fucked. It really sounds like a winner to me but what do you, the real experts, think?

Now, for my second brilliant thought of the day…..

We are currently having a wee holiday in Mt Maunganui. If Tauranga is the end result of unplanned immigration then I’m agin it. So, we need migrants to actually do the work as all kiwis are now well off millionaires and far too highly educated to pump gas, serve pies and sammies and own Bottle’Os so we allow immigration but cannibalalise the American system whereby they make a significant donation to the economy to offset the cost of the extra infrastructure. A client of mine had to invest $US500,000 into buying an operating business in Texas with a minimum of 3 staff, from memory, and had to retain that status quo for a set period of time.

Now we don’t need another 500 bathroom suppliers or importers of pumps but we do need infrastructure and then who cares what they do for a crust. Each immigrant “invests” in a few kilometers of roading or meters of bridging etc as an entry into NZ. No investment, no immigrant.

Cheers before the Paddys owns my brain 🙂
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August 3, 2020 6:55pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jacinda, with a second wave of Covid 19 not coming to NZ we need to be prepared in case it does. Here is a deal, fucking cheap as:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7BDY_folcQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR19CVaMLfqzP5L-91vAVElS74tD9JeIe60fXy8N-QL1ZBp0_jLSn7x78zE
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August 3, 2020 7:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0
  
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  August 3, 2020 7:04pm
Tall Man

Annnd ….. I’m coming around to Sir Cullen’s view of saint ardern of aotearoa ………

Now I don’t want to offend Scott and the other decent folk but ….. Jesus fed the 5,000 on the Mount, no not Mt Maunganui Brian, but ardern is way better than than. I mean …. she’s fucked the 5,000,000. That’s got be an instant ticket to sainthood don’t you think?

Now Batman, eat your words 🙂
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August 3, 2020 7:02pm
- RJ
  
  I thought Batman ate robin not words?
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:46pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Agenda Adern’s brainwave for a new industry to save the economy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTJZnSVE7_c
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August 3, 2020 7:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Isn’t it weird how thousands of doctors with medical degrees disagree with the people from media doing fact checks for facebook?
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August 3, 2020 7:15pm
- RJ
  
  Well the good news is that for years now they have been telling people not to trust google with your medical issues, trust your doctor, hopefully people will now listen to their doctors and not the crap google and Facebook are spewing
  
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  August 3, 2020 7:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

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Artist available…cheap rates for KB readers
Viewings available at:
Maggles Studios
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/arts/122291792/a4-piece-of-paper-with-typed-forward-slashes-wins-25000-art-prize
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August 3, 2020 7:48pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Maybe slightly off topic Maggs….
  but here did you say i can buy that ‘Kentucky Seasoned Flour’?
  
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  August 3, 2020 7:59pm
- RJ
  
  Well I feel cheated. I used to sell my art work to my grandmother when I was young. Admittedly it was crap but it was a far better crap than that rubbish.
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:11pm
- Tall Man
  
  Who’s the dumber, the artist or the judge ………
  
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  August 3, 2020 8:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

From a Moshims store most likely…

But any general store with a lot of Malaysian/Indonesian/Fijian Indian customers, I’d reckon.
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August 3, 2020 8:10pm
hullkiwi

Seems JAG and her Vizion Zero, is more a vision with zero understanding of the what she is responsible for:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/422662/government-accused-of-ignoring-dangerous-napier-to-taupo-highway

The policy she has dumped on Kiwis is dressed as saving lives, but will continue to cost lives by not providing the roading systems New Zealanders need.

She does not like motorists and has no understanding of the issue.

This one example highlights why it is important that JAG and the Greens are not returned to Parliament at the election.
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August 3, 2020 8:52pm
- RJ
  
  This is an important part of the article because it shows she has no idea what these roads need to make them safe. We have an intersection here that is a major crash point. It was meant to be redeveloped to make it safer, the money was there to do it. These assholes got in and the upgrade was cancelled and instead there is a flashing sign “stop ahead”. Morons, people are still dying there because of them. Anyway, this is an an important stupid statement from the idiot
  
  “Safety upgrades, like side and median crash barriers and rumble strips, will be rolled out across the 3000km of high-risk state highways – we’ve already done 2500km in the last two years and we still have more to do,”
  
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