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wimpston peeeders

so we’re being softened up for a reintroduction of covid 19, Bloomfield says its a when not if scenario.

If this is so inevitable then why in the hell did they bother to “eliminate”?

Why the hell are we pissing around with closed borders and expensive forced isolation?

Why continue to smash tourism and the economy?

typical backwards govt done all that “hard work”, blew billions and ruined thousands of lives and jobs while knowing all along that its pointless and all for nothing.

They achieved their goal tho and have enslaved the next couple of generations to repay the giant debt created, thanks jacinda great job at creating an equal outcome of misery for all in the near future.
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August 6, 2020 8:01am
- krazykiwi
  
  It’s not been pointless. The experiment has revealed that the vast majority of NZs will relinquish their civil liberties willingly or even enthusiastically. This is a massive con job, inching democratic principles aside as a new form of totalitarianism is germinated.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:09am
  - Frank the tank
    
    As the rest of the developed world lurches ever more towards management versus elimination watch for the pointlessness of what we have done to become more stark.
    
    The propaganda against Sweden is showing to be wrong as I predicted. They were the smart ones who adopted a medical/economic approach versus a political one.
    
    When the rest of the world is travelling and we’re not mid 2021 – who then was right? When our outbreak and death spike happens in 2021 – what then?
    
    By then Cindy will be on her way to New York
    
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    August 6, 2020 8:40am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Can’t you just be happy to sail along with the crew on the good ship aotearoa??
    
    All the herald polls say our good citizens are happy to be taxed, taxed, taxed and to keep our borders SHUT!
    
    So there!!
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:03am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Remember when the horse died in animal farm…..that’s mid 2021
      
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      August 6, 2020 11:20am
      - Jimmy White
        
        Good old Boxer, I know exactly what you mean
        
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        August 6, 2020 11:44am
      - Pharmachick
        
        To this day, the Boxer thing makes me sniffly.
        
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        August 6, 2020 2:18pm
      - Lee C
        
        Apologies to pharmachick and Jimmy – I just ‘Reported you both!
        Here’s how Boxer might be reported by Tova:
        “It was the most affecting sight I have ever seen!” said Squealer, lifting his trotter and wiping away a tear. “I was at his bedside at the very last. And at the end, almost too weak to speak, he whispered in my ear that his sole sorrow was to have passed on before the windmill was finished. ‘Forward, comrades!’ he whispered. ‘Forward in the name of the Rebellion. Long live Animal Farm! Long live Comrade Napoleon! Napoleon is always right.’ Those were his very last words, comrades.”
        
        Here Squealer’s demeanour suddenly changed. He fell silent for a moment, and his little eyes darted suspicious glances from side to side before he proceeded….
        
        LoL.
        
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        August 6, 2020 2:35pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Welcome to the NWO – New World Order.
    WHO really cares?
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:13am
  - yossarian
    
    We practiced lining up outside supermarkets for bread without rioting…the socialist dream is coming to fruition
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:17am
- Chris R
  
  We’ve been fed line after line, especially by Ardern. It seems you and I are of the “80,000” NZ’ers who were meant to have died back in April. Covid is an additional virus to the one we have been forced to regard as a government.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:12am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Emotionally driven socialism/totalitarianism is infectious. How’d that work out for the Soviet Union, Cuba, and Germany?
    
    If the general populace think its scaremongering to believe she is another evil dictator, ask them: “At what point in history in Germany would people have believed that the new leader of the National Socialists was a threat to Germany?”
    
    Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Foresight is priceless.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:15am
- Justitia
  
  Is there something we should know that they’re not telling us? Or is it simply scaremongering to further condition us to be grateful that our fate is in Jacinda’s hands? It’s indeed a miracle community transmission hasn’t apparently yet been detected given the shonky quarantine operation they’re running. Whatever the “truth”, one can only conclude this government is deeply dishonest both with the facts and in its intent.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:16am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Preparation for a pre-election close down? I see this false fear being ramped up elsewhere too. The WHO which seems to be a subsidiary of Bill Gates and the CCP is hoping for absolute control. A route to a one world government?
    
    Ardern is one of the least honest politicians NZ has had. Her personal agenda she has made NZ’s objective. Now Robertson has also got control indirectly of the Reserve Bank they are good to remake NZ in their own communist model. Money’s free when you can print it yourself. The kids of the future are irrelevant as they don’t yet vote.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:11am
    - JackRabbit
      
      And they have passed the laws that give them total control.
      
      If you are a Star Trek fan, particularly of TNG, Voyager or DS9, any one the visited worlds where governments keep the populace under mental slavery because of some pandemic or threat, could easily be planet Earth.
      
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      August 6, 2020 9:20am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        It doesn’t even matter what the particular threat is, just as long as it is perceived as a threat.
        
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        August 6, 2020 9:50am
      - Frank the tank
        
        Can captain Kirk save us?
        
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        August 6, 2020 11:30am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Frank the tank
        
        No, Kirk never encountered the Borg (Socialist) Queen. It was Picard that destroyed the Borg Queen.
        
        “We are the Coalition of Losers. Resistance is Futile. You will be vaccinated with our Anti-Covid Nanite Vaccine.”
        
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        August 7, 2020 12:23am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”
      
      Benjamin Franklin
      
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      August 6, 2020 9:33am
    - gravedodger
      
      The inheritors of the nonsense will be far from the thoughts of the coterie.
      One child between Grunter and Ardernearly and that little soul will want for little after Mummy has ended her time on taxfree remuneration from the UN.
      
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      August 6, 2020 10:16am
      - oldpark
        
        @gravedodger 10.16am
        “Ardernearly” WTF . hahahahaha!
        
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        August 6, 2020 11:29am
    - Sacha
      
      I think that they are terrified that there WILL be an outbreak somewhere. If it happens before the election, it will make then a laughing stock – and after?
      They know that their credibility will sink without trace and because of all the self congratulation public anger will be so great that any lockdowns will be largely ignored.
      Many of us are still living in level 2, minimising our social contacts, and keeping social distances as much as possible when out in public.
      
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      August 6, 2020 12:21pm
  - tf78
    
    Covid will last for as long as Jacinda wants it to. In the meantime, just do as you’re told.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:34am
- SmokerGuy
  
  This is just more scaremongering and even though Bloomfield is saying this, you do have to wonder whether there is a political factor to it with an election so close. One day kiwis will become sick of being scared all the time by this government but by then I fear Labour would have already won the election. It is in their interests to keep us scared as it makes them look like our saviors.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:57am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    People will say, “they are medical professionals, not politicians.” But who do you think Bloomfield or Fauci, for instance, vote for?
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:36am
  - Sacha
    
    @ Smoker Guy: AND being scared will stop voters from asking awkward questions about anything else.
    
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    August 6, 2020 12:24pm
  - Paulus
    
    But remember it is all about Fear !
    
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    August 6, 2020 1:49pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  So what you are saying is Kiwis putting Teddys in their windows was a waste of time??? Oh no! Think of their mental health bro.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:02am
  - mark15
    
    Teddies have foam rubber between their ears.I wonder who they’d vote for…?
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:30am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Of course for Cindy bro!
      
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      August 6, 2020 10:45am
    - kowloon
      
      Seems that about 60% of the NZ Sheeple also have foam rubber between their ears
      
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      August 6, 2020 12:26pm
- YesMinister
  
  And anybody who said it was an if not when before Bloomfield did was a paranoid conspiracy theorist who just hates Jacinda, and also we went hard and fast, and also lock down was totally legal, and even if it wasn’t, it doesn’t matter because that’s what we should have done.
  
  This is what people still believe. They were bribed with tax reserves. It will be amusing what happens when there are more tax reserves and tax increases turn up nothing whatsoever because people stop working in protest, which is pretty close to where I am at the moment. I’m tired of being milked so some awkward momma bear can talk to the nation like we’re three and be hailed for her eloquence.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:37am
- septic skeptic
  
  I take issue with your claim about smashing tourism. Tourism is stuffed every way you look at it. If we opened up completely we might get a short spike in numbers given our current covid free status. Not much though, as travellers still have to transit and can’t get travel insurance for covid. Once we have more or less widespread infection – nobody is coming here. Even going a full on herd immunity open slather won’t bring back tourists in meaningful numbers. This is an ex parrot.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:45am
  - krazykiwi
    
    My daughter is living in the UK. She is recently back from a trip to Menorca, Paris last weekend, off to Greece in 4 weeks, and then Iceland in October.
    
    Tourists will come here if we let them. And we should.
    
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    August 6, 2020 10:17am
    - bruceavon
      
      Really? Are you sure it was Menorca? I thought you had to quarantine for 14 days coming back from there and all the balearic islands, parts of Spain.
      
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      August 6, 2020 11:21pm
  - theoldbloke
    
    Your a full of it skeptic.
    You need to get out more
    Of course you can get trevel insurance to Cover Covid.
    Emeritates airline offer FREE insurance if you catch it while travelling
    
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    August 6, 2020 1:27pm
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    honestly who gives a fuck about covid? only scared lil bitches so theyll stay home alone with their mask on and anyone with half a brain or more will get on with life.
    
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    August 6, 2020 6:46pm
- dave_c_
  
  I can see it happening before our very eyes – Bloomfield instructing us to ALL have masks in our emergency kit.
  They know the script demands that they re-introduce lock-downs again (and no doubt again and again) with instruction to also wear masks as we transition yet again up the steps of lockdown.
  This is all about control, nothing to do with Covid. The government will become even more emboldened and dictatorial in the coming months.
  
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  August 6, 2020 1:27pm
- k1w1
  
  Two more years.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300075633/coronavirus-government-hiring-for-twoyear-positions-in-managed-isolation-and-quarantine-team
  
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  August 6, 2020 2:28pm
krazykiwi

What your life to return to normal? Don’t be subversive.
Dystopia is the new normal, and the World Economic Forum can help

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Signed in June, the agreement promises to “accelerate the implementation of the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development” by deepening institutional coordination and collaboration between the UN and the WEF. Furthermore, the agreement grants transnational corporations preferential and deferential access to the UN System

Get ready for global UN influence over your travel and socializing.
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August 6, 2020 8:05am
- Random T Person
  
  LOL blockchain.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:08am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Blockchain, bitcoin – yeah right.
  
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  August 6, 2020 10:46am
Lance

A junior doctor wouldn’t challenge a senior doctor at Dunedin Hospital ED
“in my clinical training at medical school challenging a senior doctor was not encouraged”
WTF?
As a result a young girl died.
The med school training is therefore grossly incompetent.
A lesson learned in the aviation industry to the cost of hundreds of passengers lives. Wide body jet pilot training now includes mandatory co-pilot taking over from a Captain making poor decisions.
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August 6, 2020 8:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes aviation industry is a good example. Crew Resource Management and checklists have improved air safety. In cultures where that does not happen, air travel is still dangerous. Don’t fly Pakistan Airlines.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:26am
  - Lance
    
    International certification now requires scenarios where the junior must take over, or they fail the test.
    
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    August 6, 2020 8:43am
  - Nickc2
    
    Or Indonesian!
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:31am
  - Sacha
    
    Human bodies are not QUITE the same as aeroplanes. Each one is slightly different, and it takes experience, and mistakes learned, and sometimes surprise success, for health to be restored. There are hundreds of variables in any given medical situation.
    Computers are not subtle enough, no matter how clever the programmers.
    
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    August 6, 2020 12:32pm
    - theoldbloke
      
      In the USa. Home of many misadvatures. Some hospitals have indeed instituted checklists and encourage juniors to speak up.
      
      So you would rather have an experienced person(Think Jo Biden) making a decision on your health while he is operationg on you!!
      
      Yep, thought so. Your argument is fataly FATALY flawed
      
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      August 6, 2020 1:29pm
      - Harriet
        
        Rubbish.
        
        Fuck up in the US and you are sued well beyond poverty. *
        
        I could give you a very good example of that —- a well known person in the US medical field was questioned in NZ about his experience and ability[it was with regards to giving ‘professional evidence’ in a court case].
        
        The above was essentially his answer.*
        
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        August 6, 2020 5:18pm
BAM

Government passes draconian anti-landlord legislation under urgency last night which will have far-reaching consequences for many New Zealanders.

This morning, not even a mention anywhere within the media, what’s going on? why are the media purposely hiding this and keeping people in the dark?

Also, why would NZ First vote for this and allow it to pass?
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August 6, 2020 8:07am
- G152
  
  Watch the sudden reduction in the rental house stock.
  And since landlords cant get rid of nonpaying ‘renters’ or recoup loses from when those ‘renters’ wreck the house…
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:23am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    I believe the term that will be in the headline is “unexpectedly”.
    
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    August 6, 2020 8:32am
    - Swifty
      
      An ‘unintended’ consequence.
      
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      August 6, 2020 9:22am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Perhaps ‘Rent a Wreck’ as known in the rental car industry will become an unfortunate label in the property rental business.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:25am
  - Sacha
    
    Friends bough an old character cottage for their retirement, and in the meantime rent it out at a modest rent to a young family who are trying to save for their own home. They were informed by the property managers that some of the windows needed attention so they got a quote from a window – fixing person. $10,800 ! which included ‘replacing putty on external windows where needed’. PMs suggested double-glazing as this is going to be essential for private homes in the future. They are not impressed – there are something like 185 panes –
    There may well be an empty cottage in a very desirable seaside suburb in Wellington –
    
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    August 6, 2020 12:42pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It will dry up the supply of rentals and it will hurt the poor. That’s the irony. It will be typical Labour voters who will be most damaged. And when the public housing waiting list goes up, the government will say “The housing market is not working. We need to build more public houses”.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:31am
  - DeepBlue
    
    We need to stop thinking short term.
    
    The bigger plan is the massive flood of private rentals on the market will be snapped up for Social Housing or if too run down by first time home buyers. The blooming social housing waiting list/ homelessness will then be the justification to raise tax (again) and socialise much more housing. Covid is the fastest way to achieve socialism… Never let this excellent crisis go to waste.
    
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    August 6, 2020 8:49am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Which implies that Labour has a strategy, just not a strategy that is helpful or ethical.
      
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      August 6, 2020 9:27am
      - DeepBlue
        
        Excellent summary. They don’t have the plan to get there, but they sure know what the ideal future looks like.
        
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        August 6, 2020 1:41pm
    - Flossie
      
      Serious question Deep Blue. Does this government have a policy of buying second hand houses for Social Housing? I thought it was all about building new.
      
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      August 6, 2020 12:22pm
      - DeepBlue
        
        Yes they do, last point below…from Community law…
        The government pays Housing NZ or community housing providers (eg church, iwi etc) to be a landlord. The role of these landlords includes:
        
        -matching prospective tenants to particular properties
        -preparing and managing tenancy agreements
        -starting and ending tenancies
        -charging and collecting rent
        -maintaining the properties and doing repairs
        -transferring tenants between properties
        -buying, selling and developing properties.
        
        So they have been out bidding first time owners and investors for quite some time. And no one says anything about this driving up the price.
        
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        August 6, 2020 1:39pm
  - peterwn
    
    It will hurt students too, there will almost certainly be a big accommodation crunch early next year.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:02am
  - Ian Boag
    
    It’s a shame that there don’t seem to be any policies to increase the supply of private sector rentals by encouraging the building of new ones ….
    
    Has been this way for a while since the price of houses took off (driven by what people could borrow) and rental yields tanked (driven by the rent people could afford to pay).
    
    Go figure ….
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:05am
    - fernglas
      
      Show me how you can build a rental that gives you a return, exclusive of capital gain, of more than SFA, and I will show you the money to do it.
      
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      August 6, 2020 9:20am
      - Ian Boag
        
        That was exactly my point. Build new or buy existing – the sums are pretty much the same.
        
        If no new private sector rentals are being built then shortages can only get worse. This drives rent increases that happen faster than wage increases. More people will apply for social housing …..
        
        The RT Act is a bit of a sideshow in all of this. You believe that it will cause a decrease in the supply of private sector rentals. Does that mean when JC and co repeal it, you believe the supply of these rentals will increase?
        
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        August 6, 2020 9:35am
  - barnacle bill
    
    @Benedict.
    You say it will be typical Labour voters most damage.
    
    How do you come to that ridiculous conclusion ?
    The typical Labour voters that I know are very well educated, and come from all sectors of society.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:45am
    - kloyd0306
      
      Educated Labour voters?
      Surely an oxymoron.
      
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      August 6, 2020 10:10am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I don’t know why I bother. Data.
      
      It is not contentious that Labour performs stronger with less well off voters. Fendalton vs Christchurch East etc.
      
      The electorates in New Zealand with large Labour majorities are more likely than not to be low SES areas with high levels of private rentals.
      
      Here is Chrischurch East
      
      https://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and-electorates/electorate-profiles/electorate-profiles-data/document/DBHOH_Lib_EP_Christchurch_East_Households/christchurch-east-households#_85
      
      Private renting households on average are likely to have only 2.5% of the wealth of a household that owns their home.
      
      https://population.org.nz/app/uploads/2019/07/3d-HomeOwnAge_Bentley2019_session3d.pdf
      
      I don’t have time to do this all day. I was not making judgements on the intelligence of Labour voters. Simply stating the fact that Labour supporters will be disproportionately negatively affected by any law changes that force up private rentals.
      
      If you have data I will pay attention. But if it is just “folk you know” don’t bother.
      
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      August 6, 2020 11:12am
      - Jimmy White
        
        Benedict Don’t even try to explain. Bill can supply no proof for his argument, unlike you. Next he will call you racist.
        
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        August 6, 2020 11:50am
      - Bullion
        
        https://insights.nzherald.co.nz/article/how-new-zealand-votes/
        
        2014 election results with the census data.
        
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        August 6, 2020 12:57pm
  - Bullion
    
    What are landlords going to do? If rental supply is going to dry up, someone not a landlord is buying them or is it that landlords will just let the houses sit empty?
    
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    August 6, 2020 11:04am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Most of the low-end rentals that will go on the market will be bought by first home buyers.
      
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      August 6, 2020 11:51am
      - Ian Boag
        
        In the words of Benedict Yu …… 🙂
        
        If you have data I will pay attention. But if it is just “folk you know” don’t bother.
        
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        August 6, 2020 12:21pm
      - Bullion
        
        Which would be good. If they work in the area or have kids going to school they have some security then knowing they won’t be kicked out and have to move at the whim of someone else.
        
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        August 6, 2020 12:39pm
      - Sacha
        
        @ BY: Which is how a lot of us got our start – the first rung on the ladder is the hardest step.
        
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        August 6, 2020 12:46pm
    - Jimmy White
      
      Lockup and leave. Why lose money. Just bet on Capital gain.
      
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      August 6, 2020 11:51am
    - Paulus
      
      It has been suggested by somebody in the Green Party that there are over 40,000 houses in Auckland that remain empty.
      And they want control of them financially for cheap rentals.
      
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      August 6, 2020 1:55pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  NZ First knows they are not going to return. So they want to punish the Kiwis. Why MSM is quiet? 50M. Let’s Keep Movin and groovin as Cindy is Winnin.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:03am
- Nickc2
  
  Ask Winston, he could have blocked it but he didn’t.
  Yet another step taken on the ladder towards Socialism. Unfortunately, landlords are an easy target.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:34am
- MikeMan
  
  BAM
  
  50 million reasons that is why.
  
  No coverage of anything that might be read as controversial to the government will be allowed before the election.
  
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  August 6, 2020 10:28am
- oldgolfer
  
  Mentioned on Red Radio, but only to say how it will protect tenants. Bollocks.
  
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  August 6, 2020 12:21pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  If I owned a rental or 2 with the hiding the CoL has given landlords id only ever rent to a very good mate or family, the rest can go get fucked.
  
  any new potential investors should be just focusing on a secure house to provide/rent to your children.
  
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  August 6, 2020 6:52pm
Simon

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Trump like move by John Key.

Key talks about rich Americans coming here to buy housing to stimulate the economy.

Controversial idea that in practice would do very little for the overall economy. But thats not the point. The point was to get people thinking / talking about the economy which is the real point.

Very Tump like with a lot of the left losing their shit over this idea of rich Americans but instead putting the economy in the forefront.

Well done Donald Key.
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August 6, 2020 8:14am
- Albert_Ross
  
  I have no idea what point you are attempting to make.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:36am
  - Lance
    
    John Key was not far left and he was popular. Lefties MUST destroy his legacy at any and all opportunities, they are powerless to resist this drive.
    
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    August 6, 2020 8:46am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Nobody cares about what Key says. They only listen to Cindy.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:04am
  - JackRabbit
    
    “They only listen to Candy.”
    
    There, fixed it for you.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:30am
Yvette

Judith Collins was discussing her political party’s current position for the Māori language when asked if she could count to 10. Collins demurred, saying: “No, I’m not particularly good at that.”
She added: “I don’t do gotcha politics or gotcha media.”

A certain amount has been reported on what media believes this says of Judith Collins.

Nothing, as far as I can see, is reported on what it says of any party’s current position for the Māori language – on the effectiveness of annual spending on te reo to familiarise an above-average intelligent person of Collins’ intellect with the most basic element of the Maori language: counting 1 to 10.

Supporting te reo Māori and communities: $208mil (operating) $2mil (capital)
Budget 2019 also provides $14mil of additional support for Te Mangai Paho to produce Māori programming and content. – A well-meaning Budget 2019 offers almost half a billion for Māori

Other sources indicate $ 200 – 600 million is spent each year on te reo, without anyone apparently able to say exactly – in English, and much less likely in Maori – how much finance is spent, or on what.

And to what effect?
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern managed the challenge, although her pronunciation was of the number nine as “ina” rather than “iwa” might have confused some listeners.
No, she didn’t manage the challenge.
“Ina” is simply not ‘iwi” – ‘ina” apparently means “when” or “while”, not “nine”

He poka hohonu kahore he raro
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August 6, 2020 8:16am
- Benedict Yu
  
  She should have replied.. “have no interest in learning the Maori language. But I can count to 10 in Mandarin. Ask me an intelligent question or get out of my way.” ?
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So we have a Prime-Minister that can count to 10 in Maori.
  
  How does that affect me or my fellow citizens?
  
  I’d much rather know that she can count the number of out-of-work NZers accurately and report that back to all of us.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:37am
  - igm
    
    The unelected PM does not know the difference between GST and CGT, does not understand what a deficit is, and has never been able to add or subtract beyond 10.
    I would also like to know how much taxpayers’ money has been allocated to Stuff . . . surely we must be made aware of what this disgusting bribe is costing!
    
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    August 6, 2020 8:46am
    - JSelway
      
      In what way is she unelected?
      
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      August 6, 2020 9:35am
      - kloyd0306
        
        Chosen by a drunk poisonous dwarf.
        
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        August 6, 2020 10:13am
      - JSelway
        
        So in that case every PM since 1996 is unelected
        
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        August 6, 2020 11:35am
      - herb1
        
        every PM since 96 was from the highest polling party unlike Ardern . In response to your 9.35
        
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        August 6, 2020 3:28pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I am just pleased she can count to ten.
    
    It is a great leap forward to understanding what GDP is.
    
    Was Adhern asked to count to 10 or just asked what the pidgin was for 10?
    
    Where is Jackson when he is needed? In the cupboard under the stairs with whatshisname?
    
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    August 6, 2020 8:46am
  - Te Rauparaha
    
    Learning to count to 10 in Maori is something Jacinda learned over many, many kindergarten visits.
    
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    August 6, 2020 8:51am
  - herb1
    
    We have a PM who can recite 9 out 10 of the numbers 1 through 10 , but can’t legibly speak english.
    The same media who give her a pass on her mangling of our language , devote front page headlines to the leader of a far away foreign country, for mispronouncing one word.
    
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    August 6, 2020 8:56am
    - Jimmy White
      
      And say Comrade 15 times in 7 minutes.
      
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      August 6, 2020 11:54am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    That saved your life Maggy. Keep movin.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:05am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    So neither the Prime Minister nor the Leader of the Opposition can successfully count to 10 in a stone-age language that was never written down, and is of no practical use outside a tiny country at the end of the world. So frickin what?
    
    There’s no obligation on any citizen to learn a language that is neither use nor ornament – why would you waste your time?
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:13am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    The $50 million media. Asking the vital questions! One “gotcha” at a time.
    
    Turns out that Princess Cindy couldn’t either, even with crib-notes, so a bust.
    
    But, bless their little hearts for trying today’s distraction.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:13am
  - Nickc2
    
    When we get Australians, British, Americans, Indians, Russians, Canadians and/or French asking to come here and learn the Maori language (the real one), then and only then we will know we’re on a winner. Until then, its just internal virtue signalling. It means nothing!
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:46am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    She didn’t know anything about the treaty of Waitangi did she?
    
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    August 6, 2020 11:49am
- jacob
  
  Better than Labour, at least she can count
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:01am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Puketifinau what it is all coming too. Maori lingo is of almost no use in a modern anglicised society. It’s very confusing because half or more are loan words with funny spelling and kids will have to relearn them. Pronouns too are a problem: they have more than any SJW trying to sort a trans-cis convention.
  
  Te Reo is best left to the Marae where elders have speaking rights about genealogies. The pidginised public version now appearing is an abomination–neither English nor Maori. That will lead to a complete breakdown in time to Te Reo.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:21am
- JackRabbit
  
  Maori is an outdated language, and belongs in the past as an uncivilised tribal language. It has little value in the modern civilised world because it does not embrace modern civilised concepts.
  
  The Maori language does not have concepts for rationality concepts, morals, modern day ethics, modern science, inductive thinking and so on.
  
  Al the trimmings and trappings of modern society, healthcare, food, technology, motor cars, air travel, all came out of progress after society became civilised, with a justice system, and where individual rights were protected.
  
  Forcing people to speak Maori, is allowing the Maori race to regress back to an uncivilised tribal mode.
  
  It would be like the Federation insisting Planet Earth speak Klingon, and take on Klingon values where the currency of the day is battle and death to your enemies.
  
  Part of becoming more civilised is adopting more civilised language and customs, where violence, force, are not the currency of the day. That is what growth and progress is all about. You cannot move into the 22nd Century if you are racing at full speed back to 18th Century bad habits.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:43am
- slightlyrighty
  
  We actually had a PM that could not only count to 10 in Te Rep, but could also korero on the Marae, much to the surprise of his hosts.
  
  Of course it didn’t suit the MSM narrative for them to tell us about Bill English’s language skills.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:45am
  - Paulus
    
    Wasn’t Bill English the only non Maori Leader who could speak Maori?
    
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    August 6, 2020 2:01pm
Scott

Yesterday I argued for the death penalty for the Christchurch mosque murderer. I was roundly lambasted by Garrett and co. Apparently my position is not even Christian according to them?
Now it is certainly Christian to believe in the death penalty. Remember that Christian nations such as New Zealand had the death penalty many years. It only fell out of favour through the intervention of Labour governments, many of whom I would suggest would not classify themselves as Christian.

Certainly there is plenty of support for capital punishment in the old Testament –.Genesis 9:6 says, “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man.” And there are plenty of offences that warrant capital punishment in the law that God gave to Moses on Mount Sinai.

In the New Testament there is Romans 13:1-7 Paul calls his readers to submit to the authority of civil government, reminding them that “if you do wrong, be afraid, for he [the authority] does not bear the sword for nothing.” In its ultimate use, the word sword implies execution.

Regarding the mosque murderer should he be executed? Generally not as the law would have to be changed post the crime. However there is precedent where convicted murderer Gary Gilmore of Utah asked for the capital punishment sentence to be carried out even though the death penalty had languished in the United States and no one had been actually executed for years. At his own request he was taken out and shot.

If the mosque murderer requested capital punishment as opposed to life imprisonment until he dies, that would be a fair request and in my opinion should be granted by the courts. If people are too squeamish about hanging or firing squad then I’m sure a lethal injection can be administered. Then justice would be done and we would also be spared 50 or 60 years of taxpayers funding his imprisonment. We would also be spared the spectacle of reporters in years to come wanting to interview the man and him having the chance to speak on national media.
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- Benedict Yu
  
  It is just not helpful. He is not going to be executed. He will be locked up until he dies. And the media will never get to interview him. That’s the reality. I don’t think talk of sending him to Australia or shooting him is helpful.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:38am
  - Scott
    
    Benedict Yu – I think you make too many assumptions? “He will be locked up until he dies”. You cannot assume that at all? I totally expect that, even if he is in jail until he is an old man, some people will be petitioning on his behalf for him to be released on compassionate grounds. That will totally happen.
    
    “And the media will never get to interview him”. You don’t know that either. Maybe not now, but in 10 years or 20 years if they had the opportunity every media outlet would fall over themselves to have the opportunity to interview this guy. The media have extensively interviewed a number of murderers in the United States. There is nothing the media love more.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:03am
  - Paulus
    
    Legally we are told he cannot be returned to Australia or even considered until his sentence is over.
    
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    August 6, 2020 2:03pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Appeals to the bible carry zero weight (see below for biblical stupidity). Death penalty is a bad idea because the checks and balances and endless appeals are more expensive than life-long incarceration.
  
  -When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Leviticus 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?
  -I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as stated in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
  -I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Leviticus 15:19-24). The problem is, how can I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
  -Leviticus 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
  -I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
  -A friend of mine says that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Leviticus 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this?
  -Leviticus 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:46am
  - Scott
    
    Urban – the Bible is the foundation of the Western civilisation that you enjoy. So you should treat the word of God with a lot more respect than you do.
    
    The old Testament law was particular to the people of Israel. Although we can discern general principles particularly with the 10 Commandments, many of the examples you cite are examples of the law that have been superseded in the new covenant instituted by Jesus.
    
    But to take one of your examples – not eating shellfish was part of the dietary requirements for the Jews that enabled them to stand out and be distinct from the people around them. These laws were superseded by the new covenant as outlined by God to Peter in Acts chapter 10.
    
    Regarding homosexuality it is outlined in the Bible as a sin in both the old Testament and the new Testament.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:07am
    - Swifty
      
      “So you should treat the word of God with a lot more respect than you do….”
      
      I, and many others I believe, would do so if two conditions were met.
      
      1. There was some cast-iron evidence that this god you speak of actually existed and,
      
      2. That there was similarly robust evidence that the words attributed to the god were actually spoken or transmitted by him/her.
      
      As Christianity, and every other religion known to humankind, has spectacularly failed to provide such evidence I’m afraid you still have all your work ahead of you – and I, like many others, will continue to regard these assertions of ‘the word of god’ as the superstitious ramblings of ignorant, illiterate bronze-age Middle-Eastern peasants.
      
      And so should you.
      
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      August 6, 2020 9:38am
      - Scott
        
        Swifty – what evidence would you actually accept? The idea that there is no evidence of God is just ridiculous. Most people throughout the world believe in a God of some sort or another. Most people throughout all history believe in a God of some sort or another. Are they all wrong? Are they all believing with no evidence?
        
        People pray. People get healed. Go to any church on any given Sunday and ask for any testimony of people who believe that God has blessed them and personally intervened in their lives. You may be surprised.
        
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        August 6, 2020 10:33am
      - Swifty
        
        “The idea that there is no evidence of God is just ridiculous.”
        
        On the contrary. There is no evidence whatsoever, only assertions. 99% of which, by the way, you like me would reject as untrue.
        
        “Most people throughout the world believe in a God of some sort or another.”
        
        A non-starter of an argument. Humanity throughout history has believed things we now know to be untrue. Just because people believed or believe something doesn’t make it true. We used to think the earth was the centre of the universe and everything revolved around us. We used to think the earth flat. We used to think life on earth was created, not evolved.
        
        “Are they all wrong? Are they all believing with no evidence?”
        
        Yes. Yes, they are. And, as I said, all of those who believe in a different god or gods than you, you Scott also would reject as untrue.
        
        “People pray. People get healed.”
        
        If you are associating the two then that is poppycock. Study after study has proven no correlation between prayer and miraculous events. 5 million kids under 5 years old die every year Scott. Did their parents not pray? Or did they just not pray to the right god? If prayer worked there would never be any sick people.
        
        “Go to any church on any given Sunday and ask for any testimony of people who believe that God has blessed them and personally intervened in their lives.”
        
        Anecdotes are not evidence Scott, as you well know. All sorts of non-Christians would also swear to their god(s) intervention in their lives. Would you accept their testimony as true Scott if they were praying to a monkey-god, or elephant-god, or tree-god or similar? Or would you, like me, reject it as nonsense or a product of the credulous?
        
        “Swifty – what evidence would you actually accept?”
        
        I don’t know, but I’m sure I’ll know it when I see it.
        
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        August 6, 2020 11:12am
      - Scott
        
        So Swifty there is no evidence that you would be stating that you would be willing to accept? You can’t think of any?
        
        So is it lack of evidence or is it something else? Be honest with yourself. Like we have talked many times and many times I have given you evidence and you have dismissed it out of hand.
        
        Your point about anecdotes is simply not correct. If someone says that they prayed and this happened or that happened, that can’t be dismissed as an anecdote. That is first hand evidence.
        
        Or if someone says their life has been changed since they came to Christ you can’t dismiss that as an anecdote. Particularly if it has been corroborated by other people. Who also see evidence of a changed life.
        
        So I’m actually putting it down to hardness of heart. I just don’t think you want to believe. But look – heaven and hell are real places. I personally don’t want to see you in hell. But why should God accept you in heaven? You have no faith.
        
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        August 6, 2020 1:32pm
      - Batman
        
        God actually arriving on earth, via the sky, and announcing themselves as such.
        
        Anything else can be put down to human delusion.
        
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        August 6, 2020 2:36pm
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        Scott: anecdotes are first hand evidence, but they are inadequate evidence for any kind of systematic or universal claim. For that you need data.
        
        This is why claims of disproportionate, lethal police violence against black Americans, driven by systemic racism, remain unproven even when supported by well publicised deaths of indisputably innocent African-Americans. Despite extensive research, the data do not adequately support, or even contradict these claims.
        
        If you want to cite anecdotes of changes in fortune and health after prayer, you need to pre-define the outcomes, collect all the prayers and all the outcomes, including the failures, and compare the results with normal changes in health/fortune without prayer.
        
        The most thorough study I’m aware of, and I don’t have references, found that unprayed-for hospital patients had marginally better outcomes than prayed-for patients.
        
        As for proof of your god, you could start by telling us how many amputees you know have regrown limbs after prayer.
        
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        August 6, 2020 4:36pm
      - Swifty
        
        “So Swifty there is no evidence that you would be stating that you would be willing to accept? You can’t think of any?”
        
        Let me think about it.
        
        “So is it lack of evidence or is it something else? Be honest with yourself.”
        
        No, it is the lack of evidence. Just think about your claims for a minute. You claim that there is this entity you call a ‘god’, which created the entire universe (exactly when or why or how you can’t say or prove), including this planet and all life on it, and created us in his likeness and continues to watch over us and intervene when convenient to you and who transmits his thoughts and wishes through a select bunch of bronze-age ignorant goat herders living in the Middle-East. And when I merely ask how you know this to be true so reply along the lines of “Oh, Mary and Bob down at the Church says it’s true…and since they have started to believe it some good things have started to happen to them…”
        
        Well, forgive me, I say again this is an argument you would reject as untrue if it came from anyone living today who asserted it about a god other than yours. So you cannot criticise my rejection of this evidence when it comes from you, when you are happy to reject a similar argument coming from others. That would be you asking me to accept from you an argument which you yourself reject when held by others.
        
        “Like we have talked many times and many times I have given you evidence and you have dismissed it out of hand.”
        
        No, not true. You have given me assertions, or at best very weak ‘evidence’ and I have rejected it as insufficient. Not once can I recall you giving me strong, hard evidence and which is especially galling given the extraordinary nature of the claims you make.
        
        “Your point about anecdotes is simply not correct. If someone says that they prayed and this happened or that happened, that can’t be dismissed as an anecdote. That is first hand evidence.”
        
        Sorry, that is the very definition of an anecdote. Do you not see that such an exchange is just a claim from someone without a scrap of accompanying evidence. And, as we’ve seen countless times over the centuries, there will invariably be a more natural explanation for anything that occurred.
        
        “So I’m actually putting it down to hardness of heart. I just don’t think you want to believe. ”
        
        I have no strong feelings either way. I just think that I am a reasonable chap and will happily be swayed by the evidence. If the evidence turns up I’ll be happy to go along with it – just as I do with thousands of other issues, every day.
        
        “But look – heaven and hell are real places. I personally don’t want to see you in hell. But why should God accept you in heaven?”
        
        There is no evidence whatsoever of either a ‘heaven’ or a ‘hell’ and as such I do not believe there are such things. All of the evidence coming from science confirms that at brain death we cease to exist. We don’t somehow miraculously retain all our facilties and head somewhere else for eternity. If you can provide evidence for the existence of these places, I’d be happy to hear it.
        
        “You have no faith.”
        
        Regarding all the spectacular religious claims made today or in the past by my fellow primates then I have to agree with you. Not a single one of them has been proven true.
        
        You might be interested (or shocked) to know that I’m currently working my way through an English Koran translation. To be brief, I am just absolutely dumbfounded that any modern educated person could possibly think that it was dictated by the god and creator of the universe, through the angel Gabriel, and whispered into the ear of an illiterate camel-train operator in 7th Century Arabia.
        
        It contains nothing that 7th Century Arabians couldn’t have written and plenty that very strongly suggests that 7th Century Arabians did on fact write it and without any help from any supernatural entities (and especially when you consider the great swathes of it lifted directly out of previously existing Jewish writings and which we now know to be entirely untrue. They really shot themselves in the foot doing that).
        
        Dumbfounded as I am sure you would be too.
        
        But Scott, just out of interest, what would you say to a Muslim who says to you “But look – heaven and hell are real places. I personally don’t want to see you in hell. But why should Allah accept you in heaven?”
        
        Genuinely interested.
        
        Cheers, Swifty.
        
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        August 6, 2020 5:08pm
      - Scott
        
        Heaven or hell swifty. What will be your destination? Where will your soul end up?
        
        I’ve given you lots of evidence which you have not considered for a minute.
        
        But by all means read the Koran. It’s better than atheism.
        
        But only Jesus gives eternal life.
        
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        August 6, 2020 8:43pm
  - Fletch
    
    It’s funny how so many are against the death penalty and yet for abortion in massive numbers. It’s the same thing. And the baby is actually innocent of any crime apart from being an inconvenience.
    
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    August 6, 2020 10:05am
- Billy Collins
  
  Scott,
  
  The DP is perfectly justifiable. You don’t even need a Christian perspective for it. The fact that Christianity agrees with what is true here adds credence to Christianity, though.
  
  However, is it worth trying to defend on this blog, though?
  
  People here think being dead can be considered healthy. That a human magically gets rights only once they pass completely through a vaginal canal.
  
  Ultimately, people here don’t agree with you on even the basics, like what justifies punishment in general, let alone more complex topics like the DP. The mere fact that people are raising practical issues with your principled argument, shows they aren’t even bothering to pay attention.
  
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  August 6, 2020 11:26am
BAM

What is this bullshit?

Experts have called for New Zealand to urgently test itself against simulated community outbreaks of Covid-19 – and even run regional-level “mask days” – to better prepare the country against a Melbourne-like disaster……………

They also backed the idea of regional exercises where people were required to wear masks on a given day within indoor areas and crowded settings like public transport.

Health Minister Chris Hipkins today told the Herald there was “considerable ongoing work” on preparations for any future community cases.

Simulated scenario events are obviously an option, but are not something we would announce in advance – you don’t get advance notice of outbreaks after all, he said.

“I expect to have more to say about the issue of masks in coming days.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12353964
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August 6, 2020 8:17am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  The Theatre of Fear ™.
  
  It is important that the flock remain huddled and fearful. That way they will easily be moved into the yards or onto the truck.
  
  So, we’re all going to die eh? Oh well. Might as well go out with a bang rather than a whimper.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:36am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I have expressed similar thoughts in my 8.35am post below, and Gerry Brownlee is asking questions that many of us would like answered.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I can only assume that our CoL is expecting an influx of Covid-19-carrying folk into NZ in the very near future.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:43am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Remarkable, wonder where they are coming from, or why they would be allowed in?
    
    /sarc
    
    Tarrant is going to lose his Crown as our biggest mass murderer to Princess Cindy if she lets families in untested.
    
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    August 6, 2020 8:56am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    In their imaginings.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:26am
- igm
  
  [Mod: your consistent and unnecessary targeting of people from the Middle East is getting you ever closer to a holiday. Cut it out.]
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:48am
- Scott
  
  BAM – I agree. According to the Prime Minister we went hard and we went early and the team of 5 million have defeated the virus. We made many sacrifices but because of our sacrifice we are now Covid free.
  
  Is health Minister Chris Hipkins implying that our sacrifices were in vain? That the severe lockdown did not work? Could it all have been a mistake??
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:10am
  - fernglas
    
    It is inevitable that the virus will get back in. It is the enemy at the gates. The sooner the better, then we can stop living in this fool’s paradise where apparently most of the country wants the borders closed in perpetuity
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:52am
Grey Skills

What would Guy Fawkes be thinking?
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August 6, 2020 8:17am
- JackRabbit
  
  Where’s a dry match when you need one?
  
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  August 7, 2020 12:28am
Durden

Lots of Winston’s retirees have made sacrifices throughout their lives to be able to have rentals that supplement the barely-there living afforded by Peters’ protected much vaunted Government Super.

The law puts them at the mercy of dodgy tenants who will play the rules of three warnings in 90 days to ensure they cannot be evicted for their antisocial behaviour. These retirees will probably sell their properties and put money into banks when interest rates are likely to remain low but the possibility of their nest eggs value being eaten away by inflation caused by the money printing and massive debt planned by the CoL.

Winston and NZ First are digging their own graves.
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August 6, 2020 8:18am
- mandk
  
  ‘Winston and NZ First are digging their own graves’
  
  I’ve got a spade I would gladly lend them.
  
  Heck, I’d even do the digging for them.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:27am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Peters is speaking in Whanganui at 2pm on Sunday afternoon. What a bastard; I’m already committed to watching grass grow and paint dry on Sunday!
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:38am
  - gravedodger
    
    AW come on Tony you might be the sole source of information if it is a cardboard cutout or not. My grass aint growing and it is too cold to paint anything.
    
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    August 6, 2020 8:58am
  - peterwn
    
    I thought these were ‘invitation only’ meetings and if you did attend you could be thrown out at the drop of a hat. Any idea when the Wellington one is?
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:13am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I don’t even know where that place is – anywhere near Wanganui?
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:20am
- bennerg
  
  The new Residential Tenancies Act legislation has some major fundamental flaws:
  
  1. It’s predicated on the assumption that renters are all good sorts, who just need to have more control of their home environment – sadly there are many who are not, and the systems set up mean there is a lack of clear notification of who these people are… eg. if you are a landlord wanting to ensure a notice to terminate is to happen – ie that the tenants actually leave, what do you say to prospective landlords (or their agents) asking for a referral? If you really want them out, what are you going to say?
  
  2. Any action of the Tenancy Tribunal is not kept online for more than 3 years, and a bad renter can change their name, or other method to hide their true identity. Any good renter then gets the same status as a “rotten egg”.
  
  3. Now “bidding” is forbidden, then landlords can now simply reverse the process, and run a “dutch auction” – they can start with advertising a higher than normal price, and come down as needed. The flow on effect will be rapid increases in rents brought about by this law change.
  
  4. Same with the new rule regarding missed payment – the rents will simply rise to allow for this.
  
  What a bad piece of legislation, with so many unintended consequences afforded. If I were a renter I would be angry, as it will force rents up, and not allow differentiation between myself and bad renters.
  
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  August 6, 2020 1:10pm
Maggie Pie

Oh really? 🙁

Students of a ‘Critical Thinking’ course at Auckland Uni, have been warned “…..not to discuss any issues that may be considered controversial for the CCP government” because of
A RISK OF DANGER FROM CCP AGENTS!

https://www.critic.co.nz/news/article/8903/discussion-of-china-could-endanger-auckland-students/
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August 6, 2020 8:18am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Well, at least it is coming out into the open. But wow. This is your New Zealand.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:31am
Paulus

Imagine you are Grant Robertson this morning waking up “Alf you believe the unemployment figures don’t you – Jacinda does so they must be right – “.
Why on earth did he produce this report and expect the rapidly increasing unemployed people – mainly women as expected who work in the kinds of industry affected.
And he was foolish enough to believe that because Alf agreed then everybody would accept the terminologically inexact conclusions.
His defence this morning was pitiful presumably on the premise now that it is bullshit.
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August 6, 2020 8:30am
- DeepBlue
  
  And Herald now says the headlines with unemployment dropping has taken the election away from National.
  
  It certainly was political, but how many of those ‘not counted’ will influence their families? Will they vote for cutting wildling pines/building tracks in the back of beyond, or working on local infrastructure.
  
  After the Kaikoura earthquake the roadworks employed so many people…. Women and men.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:58am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    At the worst the COL will deceive itself and continue in power. They haven’t enough nous to even run a bath although they can blindly get the Reserve Bank to pay for whatever they desire.
    
    However retribution awaits. I expect this next twelve months to be probably the most difficult to manage of any in NZ ‘s history. We don’t live in isolation and the rest of the world are just beginning or awaiting that to recommence their COVID-19 new lives. None will have an automatic V-shaped miraculous recovery as all will have to make adjustments. That will severely impact trade, relationships, exports and exchange rates. The USA dollar may even lose its reserve currency status.
    
    From Ardern’s shock-horror reaction when presented with the unexpected the COL will find themselves overwhelmed. No company Board would appoint, the way Winston did, such people to be managers. With sycophants in the support roles they are in their own sea of follies. I expect that they will then have to confront their heebie-jeebies and pass the job over to the more capable team.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:47am
- peterwn
  
  But then Alf’s job is safe. NZ Bus is still looking for bus drivers in Wellington.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:20am
Stu2

Could be very relevant if you are a Chinese student intending heading home
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August 6, 2020 8:31am
oldpark

A tale of Two good for nothing Retrobates in the last twelve hours . Yes NZ “toilet paper” Herald ran a Poll probably under instructions of their Political Puppet control freak masters, with the figures blaming women for wanting our borders kept closed ,who knows for how long .
Then their was the other renegade Retrobate named Peters. Many hoping he might see how his decision to anoint Labour/ Greens in 2017 was a disaster for NZ .
Not to be last night in Parliament two critical and far reaching legislation . Peters Party masquerading as NZ First enjoined with Control Freaks Ardern Labour/ far left Lunatic Green Party to virtually destroy the Residential Rental Property Market. In fact throwing mum and dad investors into a state of angst and anger or what is commonly known as under the bus . Even worse he once more confirmed after railing against it,he proved he was all shit and piss when he also voted for NZs who might have wanted to leave NZ to see relatives or friends overseas and on their returned to be socked a minimum of $3100 .
Also even worse betrayal if that is possible seems not every Superannuand knows this . Prior to the 2017 Election . Then National Government voted for Superannuands to get an increase in their pension by April 2018 .
Peters at the time voted it for it . Yet when he decided to get on the gravy train bandwagon with you know who . Guess what he voted for the approved payout for Pensioners he once voted earlier with National for the payment to be cancelled . The payment was for extra 52 weeks a year year in year out. Not the token trade off at present known as the Winter Heating handout.
Yes “NO” chance of an Epiphany by Peters and looking at his once more betrayal of voters last night in Parliament and no second chance by voters to forgive and forget his betrayal when they vote on 19 09 2020.
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August 6, 2020 8:33am
- gravedodger
  
  Retrobate, love it, almost up there with Jepredize.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:12am
  - herb1
    
    GD a retro bate is a very old reprobate who’s overstayed his welcome by around 4 decades
    
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    August 6, 2020 10:31am
Tony Stuart

Gerry Brownlee put our a very interesting presser last night:

“The Government needs to come clean on what they know about the state of Covid-19 in New Zealand,” National’s Covid-19 Border Response Spokesperson, Gerry Brownlee says.

“We have had three-months of no community transmission, then inexplicably, the Director-General of Health Ashley Bloomfield tells the nation today that a second wave was a likely prospect.

“As well, Health Minister Chris Hipkins tells the House in Question Time that tomorrow he will tell Kiwis the conditions in which they will be expected to wear masks in the event of the country moving back into Level Two.

“It doesn’t add up. Why announce this now when there are few cases? What do these guys know that they are not telling us?

“New Zealanders have already sacrificed a lot during this pandemic. The least they deserve is more honest, transparent treatment.”

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2008/S00048/brownlee-calls-on-government-to-come-clean.htm

There’s an element of frustration and of suspicion in Brownlee’s question, which I suspect is shared by many thousands of Kiwis. This week we’ve seen the Covid advertisements back on TV with their dire warnings, and the Director-General of Health giving a pretty gloomy prognosis as to a second wave of the coronavirus.

Parliament dissolves today, so we are back to the country being run with no scrutiny of the Executive. Am I being cynical in thinking that the PM and her government have us, and especially the more naive among us, exactly where they want us in the run-up to the election?
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August 6, 2020 8:35am
- Frank Hematuria
  
  Cynical? No. They’ve got us by the short and curlies, as planned.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:43am
- Frank the tank
  
  An outbreak before the election will be viewed negatively and cynically by the electorate.
  
  What I suspect is that by ramping up community tests from next to none they fear that Covid 19 is out there and suddenly a trickle becomes a wave once widespread testing begins. If this is the case standard political logic is a hard lock down trumps protection of the economy.
  
  Best to look at it from a perspective of ass covering.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:45am
  - Paulus
    
    Create Fear !
    
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    August 6, 2020 2:11pm
- Michael Rodent
  
  Either they are lying to us (again) or it is part of Labour’s election platform of “Cindy the Covid Saviour”. With a lessening concern from the public as things (medically) seem under control Labour need to ramp up the Covid fear again to give some meaning to the election platform. Clearly they haven’t thought through the fact that any community outbreak will only occur as a result of them stuffing up border protection.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:48am
  - greybeard
    
    I agree. This is a very easy electioneering weapon for the govt to use. All the groundwork has been laid since the end of March, just keep the pot boiling.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:39am
- Durden
  
  NZ’s PCR testing for Covid must be 100% accurate /s.
  
  Of all the 100s of thousands of community based testing we have done in the past (almost) 100 days we have been told that they have found NOT A SINGLE PERSON RETURNING POSITIVE FOR COVID.
  
  There are these things called false positives and apparently we haven’t had even a single one of them ? Must be really an accurate PCR test and excellent testing process quality.
  
  Or Jacinda, Megan, Chris and Ashley have been lying to us. Directly or by omission.
  
  Of course you don’t expect the media to apply their knowledge and come with a simple question to check this at Ashley’s daily expositions. $50M took care of that.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:00am
- Ruahine
  
  The second wave will hit on August the 24th I have been told.
  That is the day before the first televised election debate.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:06am
  - rockape
    
    We will on that day get a warning about watching TV as it may be transmitted through that medium.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:59am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Are we being broken in gradually? Softened up?
  
  Sweden looks better and better by the day. With hindsight had they tightened up a little more on their oldies being kept isolated they would look even better.
  
  Looks like the big sacrifice was for nought.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:08am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The MoH is parroting the WHO.
  That helps maintain the fear which is Arderns legacy. (How can she possibly become Queen without all the peasants bowing to her?-communists needs rulers.)
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:52am
- Nickc2
  
  I think you are right. No Labour policies leading up to an election knowing full well, why bother, the country will be in Lockdown.
  
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  August 6, 2020 10:10am
- Bullion
  
  Maybe they’re trying to be proactive rather than reactive.
  
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  August 6, 2020 11:10am
chukar

Phil Mauger for Christchurch Mayor .( see Stuff today)

Well done Phil
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August 6, 2020 8:39am
- herb1
  
  can’t understand how the 1 metre deep 2m wide trench is so dangerous they need to spend ratepayers money on it, fencing it off.
  A few metres away there is a 30 m wide 3-5 m deep ditch that is permanently filled with water , but is safe to leave unfenced. It even has a narrow track to walk and ride on the top of the steep bank adjacent to the river.
  Cant understand why ones dangerous and the other isn’t
  
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  August 6, 2020 10:39am
- Loddenthinks
  
  And for those wondering what this is about – https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/122350505/christchurch-councillors-in-hot-water-over-vigilante-action
  
  A practical man takes steps to fix a community problem, not for the first time, and is immediately attacked by the council jobsworths, who spend significant ratepayer money to ruin it, then claim that it didn’t fix the problem.
  
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  August 6, 2020 12:26pm
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    more disturbing is the council got ripped 8k to tip a load of gravel at each end!!!! Wtf 20mins with a lil digger would have it blocked.
    
    the council could just whack in a roll of nova flow and a sprinkle of gravel and finish the fucking job, instead theyll prob fill it in and take 5yrs to find a solution…
    
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    August 6, 2020 7:09pm
Maggie Pie

Is it just me…..
or do John Clark and Helen Key make strange bedfellows?
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August 6, 2020 8:43am
- Frank the tank
  
  Both realize the economic shit storm about to hit the economy.
  
  Meanwhile Robbo and little Willy think that we have 4% unemployment.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:48am
- Te Rauparaha
  
  They make perfect bedfellows as they are the ruling class and you are not.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:54am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I bow to your superior knowledge…. Chief 😀
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:23am
- Fletch
  
  I’m going to need a mind scrub after that… ?
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:58am
Maggy Wassilieff

So where are all the groups demanding some equity for women?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018758209/covid-19-attention-must-be-paid-to-jobs-for-women-during-recovery-employment-opportunities-commissioner

Has Shane got a special fund for women who have lost jobs?

Does Jacinda’s kindness spill out to the solo mums now out of work?

Why would any Female vote for Labour or the Greens or NZ First?

The CoL doesn’t give a stuff about you or your employment possibilities.
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August 6, 2020 8:53am
- KevO'Brien
  
  My 18 year old daughter has changed her mind and is going to now vote National.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:53am
  - lifesgood
    
    K O’B Good girl. Well brought up.
    
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    August 6, 2020 10:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And if she begins to waver from her decision…
    remind her how useless our Associate Min of Health is and how NZ women are worse off than many in 3rd World Countries:
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/422865/funding-for-self-screening-cervical-cancer-test-delayed-again
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/05/auckland-city-hospital-launches-review-after-four-mothers-die-three-since-alert-level-3.html
    
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    August 6, 2020 11:23am
I remember when

Further Pike River Recovery Success.
The increasing success of the Pike River Recovery Team has resulted in one of two loaders being successfully removed from the mine. This follows the retrieval of two robots, lost in previous recovery attempts, so it’s obviously continuing success.
It, the loader, will be forensically examined by the police but they seem very confident that it is a loader!
Money well – spent.
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August 6, 2020 8:57am
- mandk
  
  Well, money spent.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:54am
- G152
  
  And still nowhere near the working faces…
  a waste of time and money
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:57am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  Poor scrap metal dude thats gota fork out 50mil for it…
  
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  August 6, 2020 7:13pm
Komata

Maggy W@0853

Re: ‘The CoL doesn’t give a stuff about you or your employment possibilities’.

Aaaah, but the MEDIA does, ‘cos how else will they earn their $50 million….

Pravda of the South Pacific on your news stands and TV now…
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August 6, 2020 9:02am
- Nickc2
  
  ‘Pravda of the South Pacific’ I love the name, can I use it in future to describe the Herald? They again, they may adopt the name themselves.
  
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  August 6, 2020 10:15am
I remember when

Why has there, seemingly, been no media coverage of the fact that the New Zealanders who will be charged for their isolation, will be part of the 5 million who saved us.
Thank you very much and here’s the bill as your reward!
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August 6, 2020 9:06am
Scott

DPF is fairly sure that Donald Trump will be a one term president and Joe Biden will take the reins of office in November.
Joe Biden has been in his basement for some time and he doesn’t go out. He doesn’t get interviewed very often. When he does it is a disaster.

He actually reminds me of Winston Peters? He has the same grumpy persona which is that of an elderly man who just cannot be bothered answering questions anymore and is easily easily offended.

Take a look at Joe Biden’s recent interview. He just makes no sense??

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1290971428813242368
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August 6, 2020 9:13am
- Batman
  
  You’re so credulous that it’s almost cute, Scott.
  
  You don’t think the Trump campaign edits clips? Heck, in their last few ads they’ve included outright lies using contextless quotes.
  
  As for the basement meme, it only takes 20 seconds on Google to disprove that one.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:26am
  - septic skeptic
    
    I guess we will see how cogent Biden is in the debates. Unless he doesn’t turn up.
    
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    August 6, 2020 10:10am
    - Batman
      
      The Biden camp have confirmed they’ll be at the three debates as determined by the commission.
      
      Are you suggesting they’ll send a deepfake robot Biden? If so, I would be interested in seeing that advance in technology.
      
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      August 6, 2020 1:40pm
  - Fletch
    
    I’m not sure how you’d edit that to make it so it doesn’t sound bad..lol
    
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    August 6, 2020 10:20am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “You don’t think the Trump campaign edits clips?” now where would they have learned about that, I wonder?
    
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    August 6, 2020 12:28pm
    - Batman
      
      From the last Trump campaign?
      
      Put it this way, campaigns have previously not gone as far as the Trump campaign has this time because they have these obscure traits known as dignity and a sense of morality. The Trump campaign has neither, since they’re running on Z grade staff who wouldn’t get a look in normally.
      
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      August 6, 2020 1:43pm
      - Batman
        
        Oh look, the Trump campaign intentionally editing photos to be misleading so they fit their narrative
        
        https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-campaign-biden-photos_n_5f2b67bdc5b64d7a55ee8b2f
        
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        August 6, 2020 4:04pm
      - Inandout
        
        Batman, get a life. The Dems are in a very weird state now and don’t know whether they are Marxists or KKK.
        
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        August 6, 2020 5:04pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Yes, they have so much dignity and morality they fart rainbows and piss perfume. Your derangement is really getting out of control, Batman. Get help!
        
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        August 6, 2020 11:08pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘basement meme,’
    Hahahahaha only a moron would take that literally.
    It’s a metaphor you fool.
    So funny
    
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    August 6, 2020 1:14pm
    - Batman
      
      A classic pivot from you AoR. It’s serious right up until it’s not tenuous to keep using it, so it suddenly becomes a meme or a joke.
      
      I do enjoy your anguished responses though 😉
      
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      August 6, 2020 1:44pm
    - Batman
      
      And hey AoR, looks here’s an actual serious basement ad from the Trump campaign.
      
      Only morons take it seriously right? Seems the Trump campaign is full of morons.
      
      https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-campaign-biden-photos_n_5f2b67bdc5b64d7a55ee8b2f
      
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      August 6, 2020 4:05pm
      - wimpston peeeders
        
        Huffpost nuff said, batman how about you ask robin to find a better news source 🙂
        
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        August 6, 2020 7:17pm
      - Batman
        
        https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9202741974
        
        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46977712
        
        https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/510774-trump-campaign-uses-altered-photo-of-biden-in-new-ad
        
        https://www.thegazette.com/factchecker/donald-trump-2020-joe-biden-alone-gazette-photo-unauthorized-altered-coralville-hawkeye-game-20200805
        
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        August 6, 2020 10:21pm
- Flossie
  
  Check out the recent Trump interview with the Australian journalist! Bit of a confused, elderly man who has none of his previous sparkle.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:55am
  - Fletch
    
    You’d have no sparkle left either if you were being relentlessly attacked by the media every second of every day with made up shit – taking everything you said and twisting it to make it sound bad.
    
    Just imagine living like that. Under constant attack and criticism. Phony investigations and impeachments. The media liked Obama and carried water for him so he had it easy. Not so, Trump.
    
    I don’t know how Trump has made it this far, to be honest. He must have a very thick skin. But surely it only goes so far. The media are venomous snakes. The Democrats even more so. I have utter contempt for all of them. They were out to get him even before he was sworn in. Obama, Biden, Comey, Brennan et al orchestrated a coup against him using the intelligence agencies. That’s a fact. And they still haven’t been held to account for it all. They should be in jail, and that includes Obama. Guess we’ll have to wait for the Durham report.
    
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    August 6, 2020 10:24am
    - Batman
      
      You could have saved yourself the typing effort and just said that you have utter contempt for anyone who isn’t Trump.
      
      You do have an admirable commitment to the Fox/Breitbart talking points. So you’re clearly way more able to stay on message than Trump.
      
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      August 6, 2020 10:34am
      - IC5000
        
        > You do have an admirable commitment to the Fox/Breitbart talking points.
        
        It would be interesting to see how many KB posters are avid consumers of US political media. Looking at a lot of posts here it is clear that lot of the partisanship is an effort to import the Democrat vs Republican lens to the NZ context and it does not naturally sit well.
        
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        August 6, 2020 12:43pm
      - Batman
        
        It would be interesting.
        
        Though it would probably just confirm the obvious, given many share links from those gutters.
        
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        August 6, 2020 12:55pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Biden is going to be bad…….real bad. Watch for all the quid pro quos to all his mates abroad.
  
  The only positive is that of the real mess he could made of VP, the 2 ‘favorites’ aren’t really that bad and sit more on the right of the democrats than the left.
  
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  August 6, 2020 11:43am
  - virtualmark
    
    Project much?
    
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    August 6, 2020 4:09pm
- JSelway
  
  “He doesn’t get interviewed very often. When he does it is a disaster.”
  
  Both the Chris Wallace interview and the recnet Axios interview were utter disasters for Trump
  
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  August 6, 2020 1:33pm
- SGA
  
  Joe Biden has been in his basement for some time and he doesn’t go out.
  
  Well, like it or not, it’s probably not a bad strategy (if the last Trump interview I saw was anything to go by).
  Perhaps Trump has something up his sleeve, but at the moment he seems his own worst enemy.
  
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  August 6, 2020 7:44pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING NOW

1ZB reporting: Homemade bombs found in ‘The Tron’s’ Chartwell Shopping Mall

https://i.imgflip.com/4ajegv.jpg
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August 6, 2020 9:18am
Happychappy

Does anyone like me think that ii is a bit rich for the Government to force fuel company’s to publish the wholesale price for fuel when these same hypocrites promised to publish the agreement between Labour and NZ First when forming the Government, only to break that promise very soon after they became the Government.
I find despicable that they can force other to produce details in which they think will reduce the price of fuel then load taxes on the same item and can’t even be honest with NZ’ers about what they gave NZ First in their quest to led the Government.
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August 6, 2020 9:22am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Whatever – waste of space. Why is petrol 20 cents a litre cheaper in Christchurch than Wellington?
  
  Answer – who knows – it is the market.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:31am
- Nickc2
  
  I think we have only seen the first step in a Socialist Price Control regime.
  
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  August 6, 2020 10:21am
- Prince
  
  Presume they will publish their cost incl freight, capital investment (depn of equipment etc) and split out taxes incl GST and rates, so we all get to see the real thieves.
  
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  August 6, 2020 12:00pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  If I was BP or Z, I would ensure all the signs out the front of their petrol stations advertising the price, showed the price per litre excluding taxes and the price per litre including taxes.
  
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  August 6, 2020 12:01pm
  - Paulus
    
    And 95/98 prices.
    We have one Caltex who now do it !
    
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    August 6, 2020 2:18pm
    - Inandout
      
      Paulus, and in Oz today..
      Premium Unleaded 98 prices today
      
      Cheapest Australian city for PULP 98: Berry, NSW at $1.28
      Most expensive Australian city for PULP 98: Wadeye, NT at $2.20
      National average for PULP 98: $1.23
      
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      August 6, 2020 5:10pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Agree, Auckland’s Fuel Tax was to pay for infrastructure projects that have since been canned but taxes still remain. Figure that one you lying Labour Politicians!!!
    
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    August 6, 2020 2:42pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  if I were a fuel retailer to comply id have a big pie chart on every motorway billboard with a piece for wholesale price, profit margin and then the govt slice of the pie.
  
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  August 6, 2020 7:20pm
Benedict Yu

While we are on the subject of judges… Now prepare yourselves..

A garden variety District Court Judge gets this:

Salary – $334,000
Expense allowance – $5,000
7 weeks annual leave…and the drum roll….

20 weeks paid long service leave every FIVE years.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2017/0041/latest/whole.html#DLM7125813

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11162247
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August 6, 2020 9:26am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner’s lawyer was made a DCJ……reckons his income dropped by 300% and lost all his perks.
  GO FIGURE.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:42am
  - surfing
    
    No wonder everyone wants to be lawyer these days.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:46am
  - Stu2
    
    How can income drop more than 100%? Isn’t he/she numerate?
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:48am
    - The Boss
      
      Maybe it’s got something to do with the overtime.
      
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      August 6, 2020 11:34am
    - IC5000
      
      Maybe he paid for his job three times over lol
      
      Clearly maths isn’t Maggies strong point.
      
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      August 6, 2020 12:48pm
  - mandk
    
    No, his income can’t have dropped more than 100 percent, unless he was paying to work.
    
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    August 6, 2020 9:51am
I remember when

Isn’t Covid-19 wonderful.
It’s circular and we are back to where we started.
Congratulations to all those who haven’t changed their minds.
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August 6, 2020 9:36am
RW Capitalist

HAHAHAHA
Grant Robertson has taken up, stand up comedy.
On the radio today saying the NZ economy is in good shape.
Grant….from day one of your term in office, our economy has been sliding into the abyss we now find ourselves in.
(day one the dollar fell 10%)
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August 6, 2020 9:40am
- Paulus
  
  Grant – Alf will get you a job with Wellington Buses after the election – they have a shortage of drivers.
  
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  August 6, 2020 2:20pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Just had a thought.
  Has our economy gone from “rock star” to…
  elevator music?
  
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  August 6, 2020 4:49pm
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    nope tapping clay pots and huffing into glass bottle tops.
    
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    August 6, 2020 7:22pm
WaynelSexton

The cognitive decline of the Baby Boomers in comparison with past generations is not exactly a surprise
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/baby-boomers-score-lower-on-cognitive-functioning-than-members-of-previous-generations-study-finds
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August 6, 2020 9:42am
Critical Thinker

BIG NEWS!
The Political Crime of the Century is unfolding. ObamaBiden illegally spied on the Trump Campaign, both before and after the election. Treason!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB4Sdqhwk7U

Definition of traitor
1: one who betrays another’s trust or is false to an obligation or duty
2: one who commits treason

Nothing can stop what is coming.
NOTHING.
Enjoy the show.
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August 6, 2020 9:43am
- Batman
  
  Can’t wait for the GitMo trials!!!
  
  Oh wait….
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:57am
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Guantanamo sees new construction a decade after prison ordered shut
    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/guantanamo-sees-new-construction-decade-after-prison-ordered-shut
    
    There will be no trials at GitMo.
    As it’s going to be VERY public.
    https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge
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    August 6, 2020 10:05am
    - Batman
      
      Oh cute, you found the one journo who swallowed the Flynn lies. Well done you.
      
      Tell me, do you have a QAnon shirt or just the coffee mug?
      
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      August 6, 2020 1:46pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  Joe “Kiddy Sniffer” Biden Struggles When Asked About Cognitive Tests
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkAqQf-54qU
  
  Joe Biden will no longer travel to Milwaukee to accept Democratic nomination
  https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/05/politics/biden-milwaukee-dnc/index.html
  
  Trump’s campaign knocks on a million doors a week. Biden’s knocks on zero.
  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/04/trump-joe-biden-campaign-door-knockers-391454
  
  Here’s the problem with mail-in ballots: They might not be counted.
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/21/heres-problem-with-mail-in-ballots-they-might-not-be-counted/
  
  2020 Race: Election war game sees states ready to secede
  https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/2020-race-election-war-game-sees-states-ready-to-secede/news-story/462d88715b5781aa86fb72124713f1ca
  
  Reconcile.
  Important to fully digest and understand.
  THE SWAMP RUNS DEEP.
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:59am
  - Batman
    
    Okay Q, let us know how your military Intel psy-op goes after November.
    
    I’m sure the great awakening is riiiiight around the corner.
    
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    August 6, 2020 1:47pm
- Fletch
  
  It’s a fact. The Obama Administration used the apparatus of the intelligence agencies against, first candidate, then president, Trump. They thought Hillary would win and they’d cover it up, but she didn’t. So they had to come up with this Russia bullshit as an excuse. This really is bigger than Watergate. And as yet, Obama and his lackeys have not been held to account. Disgraceful man. Disgraceful party. The Democrat party should have been disbanded after they lost the Civil War but Lincoln had too much compassion on them. Maybe he thought they’d change but they’ve only gotten worse in the last 150 years.
  
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  August 6, 2020 10:34am
  - Batman
    
    Lol what horseshit.
    
    The Russians wormed their way into the Trump orbit and it was duly investigated.
    
    Your continued fantasy about the Democratic party is getting more absurd by the week.
    
    Happily for the rest of us, your dream of a one party USA will remain a fantasy.
    
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    August 6, 2020 10:37am
    - Fletch
      
      Funny how Clapper, Rice, Samantha Power, Lynch, Comey et al were saying privately that there was never any collusion or involvement of the Trump campaign with Russia. They all knew it from the beginning. To get a FISA warrant to spy on him they had to use the fake dossier paid for by Hillary and the DNC (with help from – the Russians). If there was a genuine reason then why the need for the fake dossier to get the warrants?
      
      https://www.facebook.com/BlazeMedia/videos/642076499975674/
      
      I’m not saying the Russians didn’t try to involve themselves in the election at all, but Obama was president then. He knew about it and did nothing. Had nothing to do with Trump.
      
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      August 6, 2020 10:58am
      - Batman
        
        Blaze Media? Seriously? Cuckooland stuff.
        
        The Russians got involved and the Trump campaign didn’t report it because they felt it would favour them. It didn’t even need Trump’s personal involvement, and likely didn’t, just the campaign and advisors like Roger Stone.
        
        I know it’s hard to accept that Russia wanted Trump because Putin didn’t want Clinton but at least try to challenge yourself with a different perspective instead of what you’re being fed by social media.
        
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        August 6, 2020 2:15pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘The Russians wormed their way into the Trump orbit’
      You’re a liar
      It was fully investigated and found to be not true.
      What are you so ignorant of this?
      Maybe stop getting your narrative from CNN ysb.
      
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      August 6, 2020 1:11pm
      - Batman
        
        So angry, Red. So very angry.
        
        I am not a liar, the problem is that you guys are living in a diet of disinformation from the US far right echo chamber. There’s no helping you, only time and facts can do that.
        
        The only reason the Trump campaign wasn’t done for foreign collision is that Roger Stone lied under oath, perverted the course of justice (and got his sentence commuted as a reward), and Trump most likely lied by omission in his written responses via lawyers.
        
        Nevertheless, it will all come out in the wash, probably via the truth and reconciliation commission that will inevitably end up being held as part of tidying up the mess.
        
        Plus, the New York investigation has subpoenaed both Mazars and Deutsche Bank now… Let’s see what’s inside that little goody bag of financial crimes, aside from the Bank fraud
        
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        August 6, 2020 2:00pm
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Now just imagine the true evil from the unimaginable amount of corruption that would have continued in the world if Crooked Hillary Clinton had won the 2016 election…
    
    “Biden has been engaging in pay to play for a long time… He and Obama and the whole Clinton crime cabal have been doing this, lining their own pockets in their globalist deals for years… This is the corruption that president Trump was *sent* to Washington to get rid of and it’s all just starting to come to light. I think we’re going to find that it is far worse than we ever realized.”
    https://youtu.be/fcnY5uLI2Po?t=426
    
    They NEVER thought Crooked Hillary would lose.
    These people are sick!
    JUDGEMENT DAY COMING.
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    August 6, 2020 10:59am
    - Batman
      
      Punisher skull too now?
      
      Go on, just be honest about QAnon. You’ll feel much better once you come out of the closet.
      
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      August 6, 2020 2:17pm
surfing

We need to go into lockdown again — it has done wonders for the employment figures. And house prices too.
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August 6, 2020 9:46am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Yes I was just thinking that! Well done Labour. Unemployment has dropped from 4.2% to 4.0% by having a level 4 lock down …..they are amazing!
  
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  August 6, 2020 12:19pm
- RJ
  
  Don’t worry, we will be soon, before the year is out. Don’t know what the excuse will be for it, but a lock down is coming.
  
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  August 6, 2020 1:07pm
  - Grant
    
    Only in Cindy’s wildest wettest dreams RJ.
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    August 6, 2020 2:18pm
MCos

The Onion sums up the President Trump interview by Jonathan Swan
https://twitter.com/theonion/status/1291076007290720263?s=21
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August 6, 2020 9:51am
- Batman
  
  Who knew that simple follow up questions and not blind deference would so easily overpower the boy from Queens?
  
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  August 6, 2020 9:56am
- surfing
  
  That was a great interview. Trump is a prize chump handing out his little pieces of paper.
  
  How some people defend him so blindly is beyond me. So many Kiwiblog trump fanboi lemmings too — probably they should start thinking for themselves as opposed to letting Trump think for them!
  
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  August 6, 2020 10:32am
- Stu2
  
  Trump attempting to say the US was doing great as its deaths per case are low was ridiculous – seems out of his depth, not though that was ever very deep
  
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  August 6, 2020 10:35am
  - fernglas
    
    The number of cases is largely irrelevant. There have been 700,000 deaths where Covid-19 has been identified or suspected as being at least present at the time of death. The population of the world is 7.8 billion. Do the maths. A one in 10,000 chance of death. Most of those deaths have been in people with on average 2.9 pre-existing conditions and with a median age of about 80 (at least in the OECD). For this the world has shut down its economy which could lead to at least 2,000,000 deaths from TB, HIV and malaria, which could have been avoided. Add in late diagnoses of cancer, heart conditions et al. and the collateral damage far outweighs any benefits.
    
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    August 6, 2020 11:16am
    - Inandout
      
      fernglass, the figures are being massaged by the Dems to make Trump look bad. And then we have imaginary stats..
      https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/5f2b72304dec887547a26e9d
      So many States, so few genuine figures.
      
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      August 6, 2020 5:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Dow Jones is knocking on the door of 27000 – something good must be happening
    
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    August 6, 2020 5:26pm
fernglas

Both Bob Jones, in his blog, and Helen Clark, in the MSM, have effectively described NZers as smug cowards about Covid and generally. According to the Herald poll, they are right about at least 68% of us. When you get those two extremes both saying the same thing, you know there’s a problem. This country is gleefully signing its own death warrant
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August 6, 2020 10:07am
- surfing
  
  His covid card for border control won’t work. Super spreaders who contract the virus post-testing would get through the border.
  
  I like the swedish approach……the virus is unbeatable so normalise it as quickly as possible. People who get disgusted and say I don’t care about people dying – this is emotional claptrap and ignorant of the detailed facts.
  
  The only way I will be proven wrong is if an effective vaccine is developed in the next year or so. But, that is gambling.
  
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  August 6, 2020 11:34am
  - bruceavon
    
    The big problem with the Swedish approach is that the reason for that approach is to avoid economic devastation caused by lockdowns. Except a report from a month ago showed Sweden’s economic position is no better or worse than its neighbours who did lockdown. Which means in a country with twice the population of Nee Zealand 6000 people died for nothing. The other glaring issue is they are still miles away from herd immunity. I started off admiring the Swedish too, but it seems to have failed to me.
    
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    August 6, 2020 12:22pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      I suspect that ‘report’ from a month needs to be updated
      Deaths have pretty much ceased in Sweden now and it looks like Herd Immunity has now been achieved.
      Their big mistake was not securing the vulnerable. I see their PM has apologised for that.
      We should learn from what they did and WHEN Covid returns (and it will) keep our elderly safe while the rest of us carry on, catch the Virus and keep working.
      
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      August 6, 2020 1:08pm
- Inandout
  
  But deary, Jacinda is loved by the rest home residents because she ‘saved them’ by forming a bubble. And remember the sheep lined up at supermarkets?
  Another country, another attitude:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESaZ_Wt5AQY
  
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  August 6, 2020 5:31pm
Maggie Pie

Lest we forget 😀

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/68971218/remember-that-time-helen-clark-called-john-campbell-a-sanctimonious-little-creep/
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August 6, 2020 10:38am
- Stu2
  
  Helen would have better off lambasting her minister.
  
  They had tested enough corn without finding GE to be 99% confident there was none. But that got confused with 1% contamination. The minister never managed to communicate that
  
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  August 6, 2020 3:41pm
Surely Knott

In April – Jacinda lashed out at people who suggested that restrictions should be eased as it mostly affects the elderly. “Firstly, try telling that to someone who has lost a loved one. In fact that’s probably the only thing I’ll say to that.”” With coronavirus we have essentially said we won’t take a targeted approach and no expense will be spared.

But yesterday I visited my 80 year old neighbour who paid for her own mammogram as Nz only funds mammograms for women until age 70 despite them being at high risk of breast cancer.
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August 6, 2020 10:51am
Maggie Pie

Have you noticed how when you meet someone for the first time at a party or somewhere, the first question they ask you is, “What was your latest Council Valuation?”
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August 6, 2020 11:15am
- Inandout
  
  Oh Maggie, I thought the question would be ‘What gender do you identify with?’
  
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  August 6, 2020 5:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’m not really a poetry fan, but here’s a beauty written & read by Dr Greg Judkins…(from 27:50)

Shrapnel of the Age

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018758232/south-auckland-doctor-tells-stories-of-struggle-and-hope
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August 6, 2020 11:32am
- Jack5
  
  An excellent little poem, thank you Maggy.
  
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  August 6, 2020 1:36pm
Swifty

Even Soper is saying that Ardern, Robertson and the rest of the Labour government are bullshitting us.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12354179

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, we are being openly lied to. This is a government we just cannot trust, and it is their own actions and behaviours that have caused this to be so.
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August 6, 2020 11:41am
- RJ
  
  Robertson has stated the real number is much higher
  
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  August 6, 2020 1:01pm
Critical Thinker

New Zealand at the center of big power play

The recent mapping of New Zealand’s continental crust could redefine maritime boundaries in the Pacific.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IodncMroGw
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August 6, 2020 11:50am
RJ

This is unacceptable, we’ve known for a while that the head girl has been using the COVID stand up to campaign but to be using COVID to attack an opposition member is pathetic

Hipkins said he “utterly reject that” the Government is scaremongering, as they’ve been accused by National.

“I would encourage Gerry Brownlee to swap the tinfoil hat for a face mask”.

Article
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August 6, 2020 1:48pm
Maggie Pie

That business with Sir Ron has gone very quiet.

Just saying.
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August 6, 2020 2:01pm
- RJ
  
  Back in court today
  
  Magistrate Kate Thompson said Brierley would be required to appear in court on the next date and adjourned the case until August 6.
  
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  August 6, 2020 2:22pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He’s due in Downing Centre Local Court today…
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12342885
  
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  August 6, 2020 2:36pm
Fletch

Actual bodycam footage from one of the officers involved in the death of George Floyd. Puts things in a bit more context.

Published Monday by The Daily Mail after it was leaked to the outlet, bodycam footage from Officers Thomas Lane, 37, and Alex Kueng, 26, shows the officers approaching Floyd’s vehicle after responding to a call that he was allegedly using counterfeit money at Cup Foods.

Floyd is immediately distressed, agitated, and uncooperative with the officers, who demand he open his door and show them his hands. When he does not immediately show both hands, Lane pulls a handgun and points it at Floyd’s head. When Floyd places his hands on his head, Lane holsters the weapon. In the car with Floyd is his ex, Shawanda Hill, and a friend, Maurice Hall.

When Lane orders Floyd out of his car, Floyd says, “Okay, Mr. Officer, please don’t shoot me. Please man.” Lane assures him he won’t shoot him, but Floyd begins sobbing and telling them how he “just lost my mom,” who died two years ago. Floyd continues to behave erratically as officers tell him to stop resisting arrest.

Lane then asks passengers Hill and Hall, “Why’s he being all squirrelly and not showing us his hands and just being all weird like that?” To which Hill responds that Floyd had been shot before and was scared by the gun aimed at him.

“Well I get that,” Lane says. “But still, when officers say: ‘Get out of the car…’ Is he drunk? Is he on something?” Lane asks Hill, who answers, “No, he’s got a thing going on, about the police,” Hill says, pointing to her head and gesturing to indicate that Floyd has mental issues.

The footage then depicts Floyd yelling out in pain and struggling to walk across the street toward the police vehicle, for which reason the officer asks him if he is under the influence of a substance. Floyd also refuses to get inside of the vehicle because of claustrophobia. “Please man,” he says. “Don’t leave me by myself man, please. I’m just claustrophobic.” At one point he says he would rather lie on the ground.

“Well you’re still going in the car,” says Lane, who promises to stay with him and leave the windows open.

“Y’all, I am going to die in here,” Floyd says. “I’m going to die, man. I just had COVID, man. I don’t want to go back to that.”

Lane goes over to the other side of the car to pull Floyd into it. Floyd begins yelling and repeatedly claiming he “can’t breathe.” After a struggle between Floyd and several officers, Floyd ends up on the ground beside the vehicle as Officer Derek Chauvin, 44, places his knee on his neck. Chauvin would go on to hold his knee on Floyd’s neck for over eight minutes, as shown in widely publicized video that led to violent protests nationwide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPSwqp5fdIw
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August 6, 2020 2:16pm
Batman

Oh my… The New York State Attorney General is making a “major national announcement” just before lunchtime tomorrow, local time.

Curious….
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August 6, 2020 2:26pm
- RJ
  
  Oh my, who really cares. Meanwhile back in New Zealand we have an unemployment rate likely up around 10%, generations of debt, boarders could be closed for two years according to the media, and a corrupt bunch of wankers running the country. But let’s break from what is happening in New Zealand for the usual dribble about trump.
  
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  August 6, 2020 2:34pm
  - Batman
    
    Yeah there’s plenty of chat about that above.
    
    This is general debate after all. If nobody is interested then it’ll go un-replied to.
    
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    August 6, 2020 3:40pm
    - RJ
      
      Yeah but it gets boring you posting it day after day after day, and then you abusing people who don’t fit into what you believe then they reply likewise. Give it a break, no one wants to see constant bullshit for or against trump.
      
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      August 6, 2020 4:11pm
      - Batman
        
        Alright fair cop.
        
        It is election season though so you’ve got to withstand some of it as par for the course.
        
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        August 6, 2020 4:17pm
      - RJ
        
        Yeah it is, but it would be so much better if people discussed it without trolling or such wouldn’t you agree.
        
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        August 6, 2020 4:27pm
- Inandout
  
  Batman, perhaps Bill Clinton is being arrested.
  
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  August 6, 2020 2:44pm
  - Batman
    
    Hahaha now that really would be an event.
    
    It seems this could also be about elections or the census. So potentially not Trump related.
    
    But it did come one hour after the NYT story about Deutsche Bank.
    
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    August 6, 2020 3:39pm
RJ

So I’m wondering, how many people are tired of the constant crap about trump in the general discussion, for or against him.
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August 6, 2020 2:53pm
- herb1
  
  if there wasnt Batman wouldn’t have a purpose in life
  
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  August 6, 2020 3:42pm
- Tall Man
  
  Me too ?
  
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  August 6, 2020 4:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

2 (rua) more long years, folks…….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300075633/coronavirus-government-hiring-for-twoyear-positions-in-managed-isolation-and-quarantine-team
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August 6, 2020 2:54pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  The good news is that it gives time for Aotearoa to implement its gold standard circular economy…
  
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  August 6, 2020 5:38pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EROQY9d_cb4
Labour Woes in the UK.

Labour are fighting each other, not the Tories. Do they want
to move back to the ‘golden age’ of Jeremy Corbyn? UNITE
Are hesitant about donations due to anti-semitism issues.
Factions are fighting each other in the courts. BoJo must be
Grateful for Labours woes. If they did a Kinnoch, and expelled
The loony left, they might be able to challenge the Tories.
BoJo might have to out left the left. It won’t be easy.
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August 6, 2020 3:08pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ_8vs8c4BA
US Sanctions Secretive CCP Militia.

The US government is actually doing something to
penalize the CCP for its human rights abuses. The XPCC
has been sanctioned for abuses in Xingiang. Americans
can’t do business with them. They’re a para-military
force. They guard key installations. Most of the members
are farmers. It’s also a big business. It also administers
land in Xingiang. Nine cities are under its control.
It also runs prisons, courts, and justice department.
Some US companies have had ties with the XPCC.
They might have to divest from Xingjiang entirely.
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August 6, 2020 3:08pm
Jimmy White

Latest advice from the Covid Clumps. “Have masks in your household” incase we go to level 2.
Tied to Cindy by the Hip and with a kiss says “ They do not need to be medical-grade masks”.
I have some Sanding masks will they do as it seems that you need to wear them for show rather than for a medical purpose.
I’m 71 and it looks like they have realised, if we take his advice, people of my age are not Labour voters so with a bit of ‘Luck’ we won’t be around come election day . At $7 a mask will they be putting up my pension by $98 a fnite.
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August 6, 2020 3:22pm
- Inandout
  
  Oh Fletch, do you mean all that rioting, burning and looting was just bullshit?
  
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  August 6, 2020 5:39pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  We need masks? That can’t be right. The Prime Minister did a happy dance because she had eradicated the virus singlewomanly.
  
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  August 6, 2020 7:11pm
cmm

So apparently Ellen DeG was brought down by CV19.

Nope nothing to do with the sexual misconduct allegations then.

She was all ready to believe all women and #MeeToo a year or so ago, but now the shoe is on the other foot and now she’s caught her own splatter.

har har har… so she’s the victim???

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12354211
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August 6, 2020 4:44pm
RW Capitalist

Just seen on TV
Apparently, indoor dope production in Colorado, produces enough “green house gas” emissions to equal 3000000 cars.
And add a significant demand on the electricity grid.
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August 6, 2020 4:45pm
- cmm
  
  Yup
  
  Who would have thought growing plants with all that photosynthesis going on turning CO2 into carbohydrates would create GHG?
  
  Well all processes are lossy – including photosynthesis. Photosynthesis needs a huge amount of light energy to do its job. Indoors that light energy comes from electricity which comes from burning gas or coal. Each step along the way is inefficient so, likely it’s going to be less than 1% efficient end to end.
  
  If we gave greenies too much sway they’d probably think you could grow biofuels indoors.
  
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  August 6, 2020 8:47pm
RJ

Article is paywalled sadly, hopefully someone else will run the story soon

The Serious Fraud Office has taken court action against Jami-Lee Ross to prevent him from publishing legally sensitive documents.

Herald
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August 6, 2020 4:53pm
- RJ
  
  The Serious Fraud Office accidentally leaked documents to Jami-Lee Ross and three other business men who are charged in the National Party donations case.
  
  MP Jami-Lee Ross and three businessmen charged in a fraud case over National Party donations have denied the SFO’s charges agains them and will go to trial next year.
  
  Stuff
  
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  August 6, 2020 5:32pm
RJ

Sadly for this country Arden is only interested in Arden and likes to jump from crisis to crisis with doing nothing else. She hasn’t accomplished a damn thing she campaigned on or promised the country, and things were hitting the shitter before COVID, but that is her excuse for being a pathetic leader of this country and making everything worse than when she took over

Former Prime Minister Sir John Key says while Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern communicates well she is disinterested in the economy.

In an interview with John Banks on Magic Talk on Thursday Key said the Government is “fundamentally distrustful” of the private sector and Ardern lacks passion for the economy.

“I don’t know whether the economy is her big thing really,” he said.

“I don’t know if she’s terribly interested in all that stuff.”

Newshub
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August 6, 2020 4:56pm
- Inandout
  
  RJ you are of course correct to point out Key’s statement but if I look back at our previous PMs there were few who had a handle on economics. Lange didn’t, nor Rowling but certainly Key did. Nash had Nordmeyer, Key had English but Jacinda has Grant. Love him or hate him he ain’t good at making money.
  
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  August 6, 2020 5:47pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Money? Making money? Oh the Govt does not make ‘money’
    They just fucking take it. The Grant fund is endless, long live the NZ queen
    
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    August 6, 2020 6:53pm
  - Stu2
    
    How about price freeze Muldoon?
    
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    August 6, 2020 6:58pm
RJ

Whoops, looks like a bit of cheating went on here

The winner of this year’s Parkin Drawing Prize has denied plagiarizing an artwork with the exact same title made by a US artist last year.

Poppy Lekner’s minimalist artwork ‘Forward Slash’ took out New Zealand’s premiere award for drawing with a $25,000 cash prize on Monday.

Newshub
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August 6, 2020 5:16pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Nothing wrong with obtaining a bit of ‘creative inspiration’ from someone else, is there…?
  
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  August 6, 2020 5:41pm
Suze Wainwright

At least some journos – apart from the ilk of Claire Trevitt maybe – get it that the unemployment figures are crap
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August 6, 2020 6:48pm
- RJ
  
  Amazing isn’t it that if you are on the special COVID unemployment benefit you aren’t counted as being unemployed. Nice con job there labour, now we know why you invented the special unemployment benefit.
  
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  August 6, 2020 7:13pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

A simple plan really, make up a global pandemic, crash economies, starve the people, bring in the army, vaccinate everyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se9rkxUK8zU

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/child-health-topics/mandates/covid-19-vaccines-an-alarming-update-from-europe/
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August 6, 2020 8:29pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Most NZers are sleepwalking into this. The manufactured crisis is being used to install Marxist/totalitarian practice into our supposedly democratic, sovereign nations. This is only possible were a majority of voters and parties are politically left. ACT are the only party to the right of centre. By the time they are polling >20% it will be too late: there will be bloodshed.
  
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  August 6, 2020 10:40pm
RJ

Interesting government we have. So they are telling us we need to be prepared and buy masks, it’s ok they tell us they have plenty in the shops, 12 million disposable masks. So basically you can have 2 and a bit disposable masks each.
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