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Te Rauparaha

Another beautiful Auckland day ruined under the jackboot of Dr Doom and The Frown.
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August 16, 2020 8:02am
- CJames
  
  Is it ruined? From the photos in the Herald and other sites, it seems a lot of Aucklanders just ignored the lockdown and went to the beaches, without facemasks. Be interesting to see the Govt’s reaction. Will they ignore it, or start prosecuting people under Regulations that may not be valid? And what will happen on the 26th if there are still lots of community cases? They caan’t extend it without changing election date.
  Competent decision making is not an attribute associated with this government.
  
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  August 16, 2020 8:25am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Huh? Who is saying face masks on walks and beaches? I thought they are now just recommended for confined spaces?
    
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    August 16, 2020 9:36am
  - Nickc2
    
    They have told so many lies and spun so much bull shit no one in their right mind should take them seriously.
    Come on Winston, do the right thing and walk away from this crap you caused. Let them face a vote of no confidence. That vote should also apply to the speaker. If you don’t do this, you should be hung out to dry with them.
    
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    August 16, 2020 9:53am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Sheeple are sincerely following Cindy’s advice. Let’s keep movin.
    
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    August 16, 2020 9:58am
  - niggly
    
    I heard an expert last week (might have been Michael Baker) say that you don’t generally catch the virus when outdoors (instead it is generally caught when people are confined outdoors) and even suggested some indoor activities be brought outside if practical. I also recall other commentators here made mention of this too.
    
    In light of that I would have thought these Aucklanders were doing the right thing – getting fresh air and sunshine which is healthy for body and mind, but best of all relaxing the stresses away with family, friends or even one’s self!
    
    Of course maintain social distancing with others.
    
    So if there are any prosecutions, or further “Mike Bush tough talk” from the new Commissioner, or tilted anguished frowny head looks from the PM, it can only show these muppets are out of touch with expert advice and continue to be unnecessarily draconian!
    
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    August 16, 2020 9:58am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Has the media got round to reporting where the latest outbreak actually came from. Like the boyfriend kicked out of Oz who gave it to his girlfriend who gave it to her family including her father who worked at the cool store and her mother that worked at the finance company. Said boyfriend past it on during an illegal visit by her to him in the so called quarantine hotel. He also gave her a big bunch of cash that she splurged around the including the stay at the flash resort. She is “known” to the Police and other Government Agencies and wont co-operate with them.
    
    Of course the Ministry of Truth has stated that only they must be believed and that persons like me will be taken to the Re-Education Facility tp ‘adjust” my thinking.
    
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    August 16, 2020 10:12am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Apparently this story was on Facebook last night but has since been taken down and there is a gagging order on it.
      I smell a rat and it’s probably a bigger one than Cindy can swallow.
      
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      August 16, 2020 11:19am
      - fernglas
        
        1) It’s probably a fabrication, albeit an attractive one
        2) Where is the “gagging order”?
        
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        August 16, 2020 11:35am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Hipkins has just rubbished this story and asked everyone to stop spreading unsubstantiated rumours.
        
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        August 16, 2020 1:18pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        ‘Trust us, we are the font of all truth’
        
        Unfortunately, too big for a Tui really
        
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        August 16, 2020 1:53pm
      - IC5000
        
        > Where is the “gagging order”?
        
        In his own mind. This is literally just made up fake news. I have to ask myself what kind of clownworld one would have to inhabit to make this shit up, believe this and then post it online.
        
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        August 16, 2020 2:01pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Problem with Hipkins shutting it down is that he blew all his credibility yesterday….
        
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        August 16, 2020 7:13pm
    - Exclamation Mark
      
      Saw this on Facebook and I reckon it’s made up. The bit about the recently deported boy friend having a pile of cash sounds like bollocks and then he just hands it all over to his new girlfriend to go on a spending spree? Can’t believe that bit.
      
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      August 16, 2020 12:03pm
    - bruceavon
      
      Yep. Someone looked into it and as any even rudimentary look at this would show, it’s BS.
      No deportees have tested positive. The deportees were in a virtual prison guarded by police. The patient zero so far, ie the current source of the virus, is now not in this family but another worker at the cool store. So it can’t have started with the daughter. Furthermore why would the police, corrections and the government engage in a cover up? It is bound to come out. If this happened they would have to announce it and take the consequences, blame the police etc. However if it came out later and was a cover up, all sorts of heads would have to roll. It simply lacks basic logic for a government who are 20 points or more ahead in the polls to do this. Don’t go down the conspiracy rabbit hole. Even Gerrys apologised for what he said last week.
      
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      August 16, 2020 12:30pm
      - amospicton
        
        The fact is that the govt/MOH began actively preparing us for an outbreak at least a week before it happened. I’m certainly not in the camp that believes this was done on purpose, but it does suggest they were made aware of a serious breach somewhere. What that is is the piece that’s missing.
        The govt also needs to understand the reason for the conspiracy theories is their own lack of transparency and general shiftiness. We only found out about the lack of testing of the border staff thanks to NZ’s only real journalist. We’ve been assured all along everything was gold standard. People’s BS detectors are telling them something’s wrong. So they’ve only themselves to blame.
        
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        August 16, 2020 12:55pm
      - niggly
        
        Well said! But an important aspect is, this rumor was more-or-less “spread” by WinstonFirst early on in the piece late last week!
        
        Where are the useless MSM and their headlines: “Government coalition party appears complicit in spreading conspiracy theories”?!!
        
        Or “Government coalition party undermines Government”?!!
        
        And what does PM Ardern think of her Deputy?!!
        
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        August 16, 2020 1:20pm
    - CJames
      
      There has been an official communique saying that the story is wrong
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/no-link-mbie-shuts-down-rumour-blaming-auckland-s-covid-19-outbreak-on-girl-breaching-quarantine-to-visit-man-deported-from-australia.html
      Though if you believe in conspiracies, then the denial is proof that it happened.
      
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      August 16, 2020 12:42pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Never believe a story until it has been officially denied, Comrade!
        
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        August 16, 2020 2:24pm
      - CJames
        
        That is certainly the case, ex Nigel, if your standard attire is a tin foil hat. I am certain that there are many who now believe it is true because of the denial.
        It is one of those cases where the authorities can’t win.
        
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        August 16, 2020 3:59pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Looks like newshub has become the South Pacific’s version of CNN, CNBC, NYT and Washington Post all rolled up in one. What’s Newshub’s credibility when it comes to official investigations and government press releases? Oh, that’s right, they’re in for a portion of Cindy’s taxpayer funded $50m propaganda and arse covering racket (sarc maybe).
        
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        August 16, 2020 4:06pm
    - mark15
      
      But chipkins says your pants are on fire and you’re naughty if you say that.
      
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      August 16, 2020 1:07pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    From the Covid 19 govt site level 3 you can go to your local beach, surf, and swim as long as you do so safely. Don’t take up a new hobby. But They still haven’t defined local! So any supposed breach is on their own poor communication. But last time this argument happened I thought the final ruling was closest – even if you go by car and must be within your region. Most west Aucklanders have to use a car to get to any beach and their local is Muriwai, kate kate, anawhata or piha etc. The beaches are huge, extensive and remote and adequately allow for social distancing.
    
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    August 16, 2020 10:25am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    National is promising better border control so we don’t have this lockdown yo-yo situation, but they are totally against herd immunity.
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300083432/coronavirus-no-alternative-to-covid19-lockdown-strategy-says-health-minister-chris-hipkins
    
    How the heck we ever get back into travel and tourism is not explained by either party.
    
    And if frozen goods are now so dangerous (yeah right ?), I guess we stop trading, too??
    
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    August 16, 2020 12:16pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Oh agree! I am loving this global warming business this winter! Wasn’t yesterday a cracker ?
  
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  August 16, 2020 8:29am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Coppers were already on the Hibiscus Coast beaches yesterday – problem was nobody was breaking the rules. They were mighty disappointed and skulked off
    
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    August 16, 2020 9:07am
    - Ruawai
      
      The government should decide the most at risk behaviour and visiting beaches is not one of those. Also with businesses let all businesses operate but give strict covid guidelines they must be able to follow to be open.
      
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      August 16, 2020 9:55am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    You will not love this when James Shaw slaps you a carbon tax to eliminate global warming.
    
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    August 16, 2020 9:59am
  - hullkiwi
    
    This morning in Rodney, everything white with frost. Beautiful day, blue sky, finally warming up. The chicks are in fine voice after their egg laying exploits. It is a beautiful day in our valley.
    
    I don’t need to listen to the soundbites from the Beehive that don’t equal reality.
    
    The only thing Hipkins and Woods need to work out between themselves is, who is the most expendable between them as the next “fall guy” for this latest stuff up.
    
    In this latest debacle, there is only one person talking sense and that is Prof Des Gorman. If she wants to play smart politics, Judith Collins should invite Gorman, David Skeggs and Reg Avery, and get them to advise in to writing National’s health policy blueprint as an alternative response to the stupidity we are all witnessing.
    
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    August 16, 2020 10:10am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      I think you will find that has already been decided. Anyone seen Woods for a while? Nope, thought not. So Chippy is the fall guy.
      
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      August 16, 2020 2:25pm
Justitia

An intelligent commentary by Deborah Pead in Stuff this morning that challenges the official doctrine on responding to COVID 19, and the “cancel culture” of Jacinda’s blindly faithful that seethes with incipient violence: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/300081483/our-return-to-covid19-lockdown-20-illustrates-the-dangers-of-having-blind-faith-in-our-leaders

I’m surprised to see Stuff carry such an unbiased and sensible column. Perhaps they are finally getting the message? Or their allotment from the $50 million bribe has finally run out?
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August 16, 2020 8:04am
- DeepBlue
  
  Herald under premium have three similar articles.
  
  15 August 2020, was the day this Labour Government lost control of the narrative.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:42am
- JackRabbit
  
  Perhaps some people have a conscience!
  
  In that article:
  
  “The global death rate attributed to Covid-19 currently sits at 3.58 per cent of the reported 20 million cases. That is less than a million deaths, worldwide.”
  
  I’m glad she mentioned “reported cases”. The actual infection rate will be a lot higher. But I don’t know where she got less than a million deaths from. WorldoMeter report 767,000 but that is a site that is wildly out and overstating the truth. It is fundamentally a “counter” site, run by one guy, and is shown to be a scam guesstimate website, not a stats site backed up by the necessary dozens of staff and the millions of data links it would require. Not withstanding the fact that most data links wouldn’t be granted and it would require a thousand people to get and maintain that many links.
  
  And as we know here in NZ, we had 22 deaths involving Covid-19 but not 22 deaths from Covid-19. As tragic as any death is, the retirement home cluster deaths happen during flu seasons, and health departments around the world having been harping on for decades about hygiene standards to prevent cluster deaths in retirement homes and hospitals.
  
  And in those situations it is primarily the care givers who introduce the infections into the closed home.
  
  Something Cindy as CEO of the Covid-19 task force doesn’t understand. She is a poor leader because in learning to professionally lead, you first have to learn to be professionally lead. She however, rejected authority early on in life, instead being attracted to political and philosophical pursuits that buck the concept of accountability.
  
  She is a very good example of what is referred to as the Pied Piper Archetype. A leader who promises to save followers, but instead leads followers to destruction.
  
  -An emotional zealot, promising to save our society from Covid-19, and appealing to followers on an emotional level, but who ends up destroying the lives of the followers, their children and their children’s children.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:59am
- Nickc2
  
  I think it’s more like there was insufficient advertising to fill the space.
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:00am
mark15

2+2=4.
Men have penises,women have vaginas.
Are these statements still true?
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August 16, 2020 8:04am
- Te Rauparaha
  
  Men are from Mars; women from Venus.
  
  Still true.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:08am
  - Littletramp
    
    Men are from Mars; women from Venus.
    Still true.
    
    And all the other genders are from Uranus.
    
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    August 16, 2020 9:13am
    - crikey
      
      I think you’re wrong about “…all the other genders are from Uranus”. Some are going to Uranus.
      
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      August 16, 2020 1:13pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    And politicians are from another Planetary Orifice entirely. The one about 3 billion km from the sun, give or take.
    
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    August 16, 2020 9:23am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Thank god (am an atheist) when you say that.
    
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    August 16, 2020 10:14am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Back when I was at school there were only two genders, Male (with penis), Female (with vagina) now there are apparently a lot more.
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:19am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  it depends if youre a leftie or not.
  
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  August 16, 2020 11:01am
- Ed Snack
  
  You do have to admit that 2 + 2 = 4 does depend on the arithmetic all system you are working in, in base 3 arithmetic that statement would be wrong.
  
  Does remind me of the old joke about asking a mathematician, an engineer, and an accountant what 2 + 2 equals. The mathematician say “ in base 10 arithmetic, 4”; and the engineer says “ 4, plus or minus the accuracy of your measurements”; and the acoountant thought for a bit, and then said” it depends, what do you want it to be”. A String theory physicist was also asked, and he said he’d go and work it out, but he hasn’t yet got back with the answer.
  
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  August 16, 2020 11:21am
  - 453mm
    
    2+2=5, for extremely large values of 2.
    
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    August 16, 2020 1:26pm
- hullkiwi
  
  The sun always rises in the morning, and sets in the evening.
  
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  August 16, 2020 11:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Not today in Longyearbyen
    https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/norway/longyearbyen
    
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    August 16, 2020 1:05pm
- Fletch
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k96h1dYQrj0&feature=youtu.be&t=152
  
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  August 16, 2020 1:36pm
I remember when

Referendum: Don’t like weed? Why that shouldn’t be a factor in how you vote.
Totally agree with the sentiment and it is obviously the way it should happen.
However, why mention it now, when there are already decades of legislation that ignored the sentiment.
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August 16, 2020 8:04am
Maggy Wassilieff

Who is in charge of this mess?

6:35am – The road transport lobby says there is “mayhem” following the Government’s order yesterday that anyone who’s worked at the ports in Auckland and Tauranga in the last few days has to get tested.
“This panicked reaction… threatens to bring the supply chain to a halt. There are only so many truck drivers to go around and if they have to stand down for 14 days, there is going to be no one to deliver any freight to or from ports and airports,” said Road Transport Forum chief executive Nick Leggett.

“We cannot understand why the Government is running a line that ports and freight could be the source of COVID-19 infection. It feels like a smokescreen to hide what’s happening in managed isolation and quarantine.”

The origin of the outbreak remains unclear. Genome testing and contact tracing have not found any links to the isolation and quarantine facilities. Health Minister Chris Hipkins on Saturday called it a “puzzle”.

“This is a complete mess,” Leggett said. “Drivers come into contact with hardly anyone at the ports. Where is this panic coming from and who is actually in charge of this mess?”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/coronavirus-live-updates-on-new-zealand-s-new-covid-19-outbreak-sunday-august-16.html
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August 16, 2020 8:07am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  have we not learnt by now that no cost or consequence is too great if it shields Saint jacinda from the truths of her incompetence.
  
  They spent 160 bil last round because she refused to shut the border in her quest to wear a hijab again.
  Theyll have no worries spending double that to hide her failings and would perhaps go full communist and starve her team of 5mil in an effort to keep to the narrative.
  
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  August 16, 2020 8:16am
- Justitia
  
  The idea that freight could be the source of COVID infection has been widely discredited by scientists. It is classic “fake news” by the Ardern regime designed to shore up the blind faith of her acolytes, who are becoming increasingly unhinged.
  
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  August 16, 2020 8:25am
  - JackRabbit
    
    The effects of the Pied Piper’s flue do wear off after a while. Especially if you do not watch the daily ‘spell binding’ sessions from the pulpit.
    
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    August 16, 2020 10:02am
  - yossarian
    
    If Collins has suggested it, the media would have blasted her for conspiracy theory.
    
    Back to the first rule in politics “it’s ok when the left do it”
    
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    August 16, 2020 1:57pm
- Brian McDonald
  
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  I told you last night there is no stand down for drivers who are tested Maggie, it was spelt out clearly in the link you posted last night and I entered the quote. You are fear mongering and it must be for poliical purposes.
  I managed to get my test done before 5pm, and the next driver is going to try to get his done this morning before we swap again. I wasn’t inventing stories or choosing links that suited my purpose, I was on the wharf doing what is classed as an essential service – just like the other drivers are doing. And if they don’t want to do tests I’m sure they won’t because they’re not a bunch of nancy boys. But they’re helping by the work they’re doing and some may possibly feel uncomfortable with all the shit going on and the ‘good’ folks ‘worried’ about them.
  I’m not into unions or road forums so no one speaks for me.
  
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  August 16, 2020 8:36am
  - Te Rauparaha
    
    Brian, productive intellegent Kiwis are well over this Covid-19 crap.
    
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    August 16, 2020 8:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You seem to have confused me with the folks who write the articles I link to…
    
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU2008/S00253/mayhem-at-the-ports-bewildering.htm
    
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    August 16, 2020 8:46am
    - Brian McDonald
      
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      Not at all, you seem to confuse what you link to with reality. and resist being told the truth.
      
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      August 16, 2020 8:48am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Well, to quote from the scoop link….
        
        ” we questioned the Ministry of Transport at 10.13am this morning (Saturday 15 August). They admitted there was some confusion and said they would come back to us. We are still waiting.”
        
        “One trucking operator proactively sent six of his drivers for testing and they have been told they have to go into self-isolation for 14 days, or until they get their test results back. These drivers have not even been to the port and this is a small operation now without drivers.”
        
        So Leggett’s experience differs from yours.
        
        I’m not doubting your experience/information.. just pointing out that that is not the way that some folks are seeing things.
        
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        August 16, 2020 8:57am
  - CJames
    
    I think you will find Maggy is right, Brian. Drivers are supposed to self-isolate until their test results are known, though there has been contradictory advice.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122461800/coronavirus-havoc-for-trucking-operators-under-ports-covid19-testing-rules
    
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    August 16, 2020 8:53am
    - CJames
      
      If the reason for wanting port drivers tested is because they may have been in contact with someone who has recently travelled overseas, then Ministry of Health wants them to self isolate until they have an all clear from the test.
      https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-general-public/assessment-and-testing-covid-19
      
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      August 16, 2020 9:02am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Surely they would have to self isolate after getting the test? What if they didn’t self isolate and it comes back positive for Covid?
      
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      August 16, 2020 10:24am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    something tells me you wear a mask while alone in your truck?
    
    Out of all the countries in the world do you really think lil ole nz has the shittest luck and got an outbreak from a food packet?
    
    The first positive got infected 2-3wks ago but theyre swabbing the cargo now to find an excuse to cover their arse. its more plausable he got infected by another member of the public, the korean dude most likely picked it up in auckland prior to departing aswell.
    
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    August 16, 2020 9:24am
- Hacked-Off
  
  The problem Maggy is that having declared this election the ‘Covid Election’ last Saturday at their Campaign Launch, Labour now find themselves having to manage a Covid clusterf**k of their own making through incompetence and hubris. Therefore they must now defuse the blame from their botched ‘Gold Standard’ quarantine to things like ports and frozen foods so as to change the narrative and obscure who is to blame. There are a lot of angry people now out there beyond the media headlines/hype and Labour knows it. The Opposition should be screaming how Ardern’s incompetence has put the ‘Team of Five Million’ in danger from the roof tops and the ‘Media Reaction’ be damned. They should add this to the list of incompetence perpetrated by this Government this Parliamentary term.
  
  I see Brian’s comment on Maggy’s post. The issue here is not whether drivers must stand down or not, and according to Brian clearly not, but how to divert attention away from the issue of lax quarantine procedures initiated by this Government. If they can sow doubt in the minds of the Electorate as to the cause then this testing of drivers will have achieved its purpose.
  
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  August 16, 2020 8:42am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yes that is what Judith should be doing, however the media have already fired a strong warning shot across her bows, and is determined to ridicule every attempt by National and ACT to point out the obvious flaws in the government’s strategy.
    
    They made a very pointed warning on Thursday or Friday that criticising Ardern was what cost Bridges his job as LotO, and appear to be prepared to do anything to preserve both the reputation of the beatific PM, and their share of the money being shoveled to the media to ensure acquiescence – a couple of notable exceptions (Michael Morrah, Ryan Bridge) notwithstanding.
    
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    August 16, 2020 9:32am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Judith can sit this one out for a few days. Labour are digging that hole fast and more and more media articles are negative and questioning.
      
      Last thing we need is to disrupt the media from breaking the next big story on this by going all anti National again. Reporters are in a race to get a scoop now. Won’t take long.
      
      Come Monday afternoon Judith will have to speeches prepared to either launch National election campaign for 19 Sept or set up a bipartisan approach to COVID. The pressure is all on Jacinda today.
      
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      August 16, 2020 9:51am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        They’re going all anti-National anyway, in a feat of journalistic gymnastics reminiscent of Nadia Comaneci at her very best the Olympics.
        
        The headline: ACT slams Government after coronavirus lockdown extension, National stays silent.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300082942/election-2020-act-slams-government-after-coronavirus-lockdown-extension-national-stays-silent
        
        Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Damn these “journalists” are hypocrites.
        
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        August 16, 2020 11:23am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Yes I agree. I thought Simon Bridges was doing a great job on the Covid committee, but I think he started asking questions that the govt. did not like and got the media to destroy/discredit him.
      
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      August 16, 2020 10:26am
- Dave Mann
  
  Truckies might just be the catalyst to get decent New Zealanders out of this moronic Marxist mess.
  
  As Nick Legett says, trucks are the essential link in the supply chain and I think that any concerted action by them would have a positive effect. Some actions might include refusing to stop at the fascist police’s roadblocks, removing the gates on public parks (either using bullbars or chains) and mowing down Maori separatists who try to block off public roads.
  
  New Zealand is going to reach its Chile Moment any time soon, where a Marxist was elected under the cover of democracy and proceeded to gut the country. At that time the principal tipping point was when truckies said they had had enough and they virtually ground Chile to a halt, which sparked off the counter revolution against Marxist oppression.
  
  We don’t have much of an army so a Pinochet figure probably won’t emerge (thankfully) but in many ways we resemble Chile of the 1970-1973 period.
  
  Who will lead the fight and rescue the decent Kiwis in our once fine country?
  
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  August 16, 2020 8:43am
  - artemisia
    
    Those Maori road blockers are back already according to the Maori Party. What is more, that party is calling for all Maori to be locked down right now. He and his party’s candidates will be the role models for certain sure.
    
    The Māori Party is calling for all Māori to move into level 4 now and for the borders to be completely shut, including to returning New Zealanders, for two weeks.
    
    The party’s co-leader, John Tamihere, also said this morning that iwi checkpoints will be back in operation around the country, whether or not the whole country goes back into level 4.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12356590
    
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    August 16, 2020 9:40am
    - Nickc2
      
      Oh, here we go again. John Tamahere, if you need to implement Maori Militia road blocks again in order to get your name mentioned in the Press, you are one hell of a sick puppy. If you want separatism, go back to the Labour Party where you came from and campaign for it there.
      
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      August 16, 2020 1:13pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Dave, interesting points and I know you don’t really mean running people over, but you know how that kind of comment will be used against this site. Wait for ‘hate speech’ laws to be justified with such examples…
    
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    August 16, 2020 11:22am
  - Paul Marsden
    
    Never has so much power been in the hands of so few. A simple, more passive and more effective strategy is for the transport industry to refuse to ship any goods anywhere, until we are governed by a competent govt who have been elected fairly and squarely by the will of the people, and not on the whim of a lying conman in a pin stripe suit
    
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    August 16, 2020 12:01pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Unintended consequences from those who cannot think, and they call themselves MP’s and rulers.
  
  ☑️☑️Betta get National.☑️☑️
  
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  August 16, 2020 8:54am
- Ruahine
  
  Oh Dear. Another story down the drain.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12356825
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:09am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Very disappointed. She’s fully of ‘mandatory’ this and ‘mandatory’ that. So an absolute police state. No thanks.
  
  For instance:
  “ Masks: Make them mandatory, they have been proved to turn the curve. ” She says nothing about when and where. Does she mean in confined spaces or as soon as we leave out homes??
  
  I do think masks have their place and have said so from day 1, based on Asian countries, I even wore one for supermarket shopping because of my own circumstances. But I don’t want it to be mandatory, let alone everywhere. One sees crazy people on a walk, metres away from everyone else, wearing the damn things now!
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:59am
- Matthew
  
  “The origin of the outbreak remains unclear. Genome testing and contact tracing have not found any links to the isolation and quarantine facilities. Health Minister Chris Hipkins on Saturday called it a “puzzle”.”
  The only way to rule out quarantine facilities as the source of the outbreak is to sequence the RNA of each of the positive cases coming through quarantine.
  
  With so many of these cases not yet sequenced the only truthful statement is that the outbreak doesn’t match any sequenced case. This virus is neither “tricky” or a “puzzle”. It has however managed to highlight the lack of forethought from the people tasked with keeping us safe (I’m being kind!)
  
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  August 16, 2020 11:44am
Yvette

Deputy Prime Minister Peters today [August 13] told Patricia Karvelas of Australia’s ABC 24 News he was given the information by a New Zealand journalist, who he said was “usually very reliable”.

“It wasn’t an official, I found out from somewhere else, but I think there’s been a breach inside our quarantine system.

“I think, when that comes out very shortly, in a matter of maybe less than a day, we’ll find out that was the case [1]

“But you don’t always find out from your officials.” Sometimes you have to make it up yourself.
Or was it the BS story about the deportee supposedly infecting a young woman who passed it to her father, who Ardern (Friday, 5.30) said, was first sick 29 July – a week before the supposed hotel break-in – about as accurate as Twyford house figures or Shane counting trees.

But Winston on ABC television “… there’s been a breach, and we’ll find out in a matter of hours, or within a day.”
That was August 13. So delivery was due 14th. Today is August 16.

So where is the delivery, Winston ? – or is your delivery as dependable in this issue too, as every other aspect of delivery that your Coalition is irresponsible for?

Not only is New Zealand waiting breathless (one of the symptoms), Winston, but ABC’s audience is as well.

[1] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12356430
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August 16, 2020 8:08am
- Frank the tank
  
  Been told his ambassador job in Washington is off if he spills the beans I’m guessing
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:13am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Yvette, I am astonished and deeply offended. You appear to be suggesting that our esteemed and venerable Deputy Prime Minister, the Right Honourable Winston R Peters, was making sh*t up for political purposes.
  
  How very dare you!
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:36am
  - Yvette
    
    Loddenthinks
    Knowing that Lodden Thinks is a proposition betting game that was invented at the World Series of Poker Europe by poker pros Phil Laak and Antonio Esfandiari in the mid-2000s, you should recognise better than most people what Winston is doing
    
    Lodden Thinks: The Ultimate Guide – https://www.888poker.com/magazine/poker-world/lodden-thinks-ultimate-guide
    
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    August 16, 2020 9:59am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Damn, I’ve been busted! Should I have included the /sarc for clarity?
      
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      August 16, 2020 11:26am
- DeepBlue
  
  This nine day sick thing is really weird.
  
  The man worked in an international cool store business. Surely if he was off work for COVID like symptoms (or regular old flu) his employer would have had a Work Health & Safety plan including going to doctor immediately and getting tested. He wouldn’t have been paid to stay at home, lay around and come back sometime when you feel better mate.
  
  I understand he had not been at work for nine days prior to the positive result. My theory is the man worked night shift, but he had ended his roster and was due say 4 days off. This accounts for the first part of the 9 days. He had some hayfever over that time (like the rest of us) was tired etc, with mild COVID like symptoms, but he didn’t actually have COVID until he caught it from his daughter at about day 5. This is easy for MOH to check if they wanted to.
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:03am
- JackRabbit
  
  Peters is probably the most well known person for taking offense at people who makes statements without facts, especially against himself. And when he has taken to jousting the windmills of truth, he has fallen on his derriere time and time again.
  
  He has zero credibility and should be seen for what he is: A drunk dwarf who is no better than an infantile court jester. He has all the signs of becoming senile or suffering from dementia, no doubt accelerated by years of hard alcohol.
  
  He does not deserve the respect of even debating what he has said, or treating anything he says as anything other than attention grabbing.
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:15am
- Nickc2
  
  I think the ABC as much as I dislike them realised long ago that Winston was a blowhard of his own making.
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:24am
Southern Bear

How hard does the NZ Herald editorial team work to push its divisive partisan agenda? Today’s letters selected for publication are mostly anti National/Act rather than even being pro Labour.

They can try as hard as they like to stem the tide, but it’s starting to turn.

Letters: White-anting politicians of the Right deserve to be sent off
https://nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12356841
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August 16, 2020 8:08am
wimpston peeeders

I witnessed miracles yesterday while standing in the long line to get a lotto ticket, several folk Ive come to know overe the years were also there and managed to spend varying ammounts to buy multiple tickets but only problem is theyre long term beneficiaries.
its a miracle guys a 50mil lotto jackpot makes wads of cash just randomly appear in hands of dole bludgers, amazing and perhaps cindy could use this phenomonem to help out with her failing poverty portfolio…

makes you wonder if their kids will miss out this week or they just had boom last week selling drugs to panic buying druggies? money well spent cindy and co, bring on ACTs cashless benefit!
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August 16, 2020 8:10am
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ is not a peaceful backwater

It defies logic to give police access to firearms but deny them the chance to defend themselves when it matters. It is about as logical as turning off your hearing aids to save the batteries.

NZ is not some peaceful backwater. It is a nation with crime, social and racial issues the same as anywhere else and proportionately has nearly three times as many guns as Australia.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/born-to-be-a-cop-how-new-zealand-s-laws-failed-matthew-hunt-20200813-p55lar.html
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August 16, 2020 8:10am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  fact of the matter is our police are woefully undertrained for firearm use and to give them all access would result in a huge rise in shootings over time and an eventual change in mindset to shoot 1st ask questions later.
  
  currently most crims will have far superior knowledge in firearm use then the majority of nz police and maybe now even better firepower then police thanks to cindy and nash forcing 10s of thousands of firearms into the black market.
  Nash also alienated most law abiding firearm users and clubs and many gave nz police the big f**k you and refuse to let police use their ranges for training so theyre very limited for range options.
  
  the police are now bearing the brunt of poor decision making by the CoL and a result of a lost war on methamphetamine.
  
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  August 16, 2020 8:47am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    One of the things that is frequently overlooked is that the police got themselves in this mess.
    
    The police elected Cahill to speak and write as their public voice through the Police Uunion. Police wrote in the law changes themselves to achieve their goal of confiscations. Police “managed” or rather controlled the select committee hearing entirely; and last but completely not trivial, the rank-and-file police went obediently out to raid the law-abiding and steered clear of the gangs. And so from Cahill and the Commissioner down, all the rank-and-file completely own the consequences from their actions.
    
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    August 16, 2020 9:09am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      nash and cahill were also more concerned about a bit of plastic between a pistol grip and the riffle but to listen to the firearms community concerns about the loopholes for high capacity magazines, had they addressed the issue then it would have been harder for tarrant to access them.
      they also munted the vetting system at the same time and many warned them of the consequences but they refused to acknowledge.
      
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      August 16, 2020 9:29am
I remember when

Reserve Bank Survey 2018 showed 89% of people prefer payment methods other than cash.
Banks are getting rid of cheques.
So what does the future hold by way of payment options, and how secure will the systems be.
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August 16, 2020 8:11am
- Blackbob
  
  The long term plan is to get rid of cash so Govts can completely control the flow of “money”.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:52am
  - Nickc2
    
    When you mention Governments, I assume you have also included the UN?
    
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    August 16, 2020 12:47pm
I remember when

Is the 20yo Rotorua and Tokoroa traveller having covid a side issue?
Was the trip for reasons other than pleasure and visits to relatives?
Does the wharf and international freight system suggest an alternative concern to covid infection?
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August 16, 2020 8:22am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  I’m sure the government would like us to believe that.
  
  I’m sure they’re desperately looking for a alibi where they are completely blameless, guiltless, and there was an immaculate infection in their reinvented-virgin Chivirus-free territory.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:10am
- The Boss
  
  Where did she get the money?
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:10am
- CSadler
  
  Yep have read between the lines and wonder the same
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:15am
mark15

‘After the Christchurch massacre, NZ finally banned semi-automatic weapons – the type outlawed in Australia in 1996 after the Port Arthur massacre’

Wrong.
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August 16, 2020 8:23am
Paulus

No body is in charge – we have heaven knows how many Ministers and Senior Officials in charge today but nobody will take responsibility.
And we are going to overwhelmingly vote again to let them try and run our Country.

Another point I understand that many Pacific Islanders in South Auckland will not take the Virus test – because they are Overstayers and feel that they will be picked by the Police and Immigration Authorities up if they identify themselves.
Surely some kind of Amnesty can be given in these circumstances.
The increases are getting out of control – everybody can do their bit to help including those understandably reluctant.
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August 16, 2020 8:26am
- lifesgood
  
  No amnesty. They shouldn’t be here.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:22am
- Nickc2
  
  Precisely Paulus. I bought this issue up yesterday on KB but there was very little interest. However, if we assume as given Auckland loses $0.5Bn per day during lockdown and given we are locked down for 12 days minimum as stated by Cindy, that means Auckland loses $6Bn over the current lockdown.
  If this loss is due to illegal immigrants and we send their home country an invoice for $6Bn do you think the invoice will be paid? No, of course not. The Auckland ratepayer will foot the bill one way or another. Sad but true.
  I guess it’s a bit like NZers returning due to the COVID-19 Crisis and having outstanding student loan debt. Has the current government issued instructions to the IRD to recover such debt and for Customs not to approve overseas travel for these defaulters until all outstanding debt is paid. To the best of my knowledge, no!
  My ex-father in law once told me we get what we vote for (he was a staunch union man by the way). Well, in this case we didn’t. We got what a bitter and twisted old man called Winston Peters wanted and we have been suffering ever since. If this scenario had played out in any other country than NZ, there would be riots in the streets.
  
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  August 16, 2020 12:39pm
cmm

Why are we increasingly pussy-footing with China?

Yesterday a purge of Chinese (the state, not the people) research in universities, today a rebuke for refering to the “Chinese Virus”.

Side note. Surely $1uff, as journalists, should get a few things right:
* CV19 is not a virus.
* Trump has taken to calling it the “China virus”. While grammatically wrong, that focuses the term on the country – not ethnically Chinese people.
* So what if it upsets China? Facts are facts.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122460290/coronavirus-race-relations-commissioner-says-west-coast-chairmans-comments-about-china-not-on
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August 16, 2020 8:28am
- Te Rauparaha
  
  Foon is trying to be self important. It is narcissism.
  
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  August 16, 2020 8:41am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The virus may well have been created in a Chinese lab.
  
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  August 16, 2020 8:56am
- Simon
  
  MSM, the left, parliament and the state apparatchik is the virus.
  
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  August 16, 2020 8:57am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Foon gotta Foon.
  
  Besides, let’s look at the long list of eponymous diseases: here are a few
  Lyme disease
  Japanese B encephalitis
  Tapanui flu
  Norwalk virus
  Legionnaire’s disease
  Spanish flu
  Zika
  Ebola
  MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome)
  etc.
  
  There is nothing wrong, inaccurate, or racist about calling it the Chinese virus or – for example – the WuFlu.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:13am
  - simpleton1
    
    CCP virus
    Chinese Communist Party virus.
    
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    August 16, 2020 11:14am
AC

Two things about the current COVID situation

1. Do close contacts that test negative still have to self isolate?. There have been instances at the border where a negative test on day 3 occurs but the day 12 test is positive. A negative test of a close contact should not give you a free pass.

2. They can not link the community cases to any known cases at the border. What of the chances of someone at the border testing negative twice but still being positive?

3. Would it not be a good idea to pay those working in isolation facilities say $50 each to have a weekly test. Apart from the fact that testing should be mandatory this gives these workers an incentive and compensates them for the inconvenience. Much cheaper than locking the country down.

Thats three things !
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August 16, 2020 8:30am
Hacked-Off

The problem Maggy is that having declared this election the ‘Covid Election’ last Saturday at their Campaign Launch, Labour now find themselves having to manage a Covid clusterf**k of their own making through incompetence and hubris. Therefore they must now defuse the blame from their botched ‘Gold Standard’ quarantine to things like ports and frozen foods so as to change the narrative and obscure who is to blame. There are a lot of angry people now out there beyond the media headlines/hype and Labour knows it. The Opposition should be screaming how Ardern’s incompetence has put the ‘Team of Five Million’ in danger from the roof tops and the ‘Media Reaction’ be damned. They should add this to the list of incompetence perpetrated by this Government this Parliamentary term.
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August 16, 2020 8:37am
- Hacked-Off
  
  To Moderator: Please delete this as it is on the wrong thread. Thanks.
  
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  August 16, 2020 8:44am
- peterwn
  
  “The Opposition should be screaming how Ardern’s incompetence has put the ‘Team of Five Million’ in danger from the roof tops and the ‘Media Reaction’ be damned”
  Judith and Gerry need to be very careful in what they say – CoL and compliant MSM (think $50M) will jump on them given the slightest excuse. They need to plan things very carefully but still be quick witted. For example Judith got out of Auckland quick just before Level 3 to avoid facing the sort of unfair criticism Simon was subject to (presumably Jacinda can flit between Auckland and Wellington with impunity).
  Judith, Gerry and other National Caucus members will no doubt be planning very careful responses.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:27am
Happychappy

Coronavirus: Kiwis react with anger at revelations of lack of testing at the border. This is not happening at the rates that (a) we have asked for and (b) we were told was going to happen, ” Health Minister Chris Hipkins said.on Newshub the Nation this morning
“We have already assured our frontline workers are safe by wearing appropriate PPE getting regular testing, ” Jacinda Ardern said.
But that wasn’t the case, for fucks sake your Prime Minister and with the Health Minister it is your job as CEO of NZ to make sure it is done, but no just like all the other fuckups that have happened it someone elses fault never you or your Government.
This is just a repeat of the continual blame you push on National every time you fuckup wit the saying nine years of neglect never your neglect for gross incompetence.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/coronavirus-kiwis-react-with-anger-at-revelations-of-lack-of-testing-at-border.html
Like always with Jacinda you revel in praise from from those that fawn over you but play the blame game when you get it wrong and push it on others because you were asleep at the wheel.
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August 16, 2020 8:39am
- DeepBlue
  
  Our public service seem to be sycophants.
  
  Where was the one person with seniority who was brave enough to stand up and say to government you haven’t got all the bases covered. We need to plug these holes at the border and we need to announce and test the Resurgence Plan so everyone knows what to do.
  
  102 days they had to plan and prepare. Other countries have had military coups over less.
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:12am
  - peterwn
    
    “Our public service seem to be sycophants.” They have families to house and feed so they need to be very, very careful. More so under a Labour Government than a National Government.
    
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    August 16, 2020 12:11pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Cindy understands almost nothing about leadership and accountability. She understand almost nothing about hierarchies, structures, proper delegation, reporting, and tracking mechanisms.
  
  Yet she has aspired to power without those things.
  
  This is how tyrants and dictators are made. This process is well documented, and a recognizable pattern over thousands of years of tyrants. Cindy is no more than a common garden variety despot. She cannot be reasoned with and will not respond to intelligent debate.
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:30am
  - peterwn
    
    She has the bullhorn in her hand and has the gift of the gab. That is all that matters.
    
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    August 16, 2020 12:12pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      “…and has the gift of the gab”
      
      Peterwn, I agree with the bull horn, and understand the saying “gift of the gab”, but most rational people cannot stand to listen to her, as she drones on in double speak.
      
      Nothing is a ‘gift’ if it is a curse on the rest of the nation, or humanity.
      
      She would be better described as a ‘silver tongue devil’.
      
      And in Native American Tribes, she would be described as ‘speaking with a forked tongue’.
      
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      August 16, 2020 9:02pm
kowtow

VJ Day UK commemoration poem victim of cultural superiority.

BBC drops Kipling poem cos muso moans.

The poem was put to music and was a war time favourite with the Forgotten Army.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8621367/SEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-BBC-bans-Rudyard-Kiplings-Mandalay-VJ-Day-commemoration.html
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August 16, 2020 8:40am
- Justitia
  
  Censorship of our history by the Woke is truly disgusting. Why do we let them prevail?
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:35am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I’m only surprised that they haven’t forced a renaming of the Burma Star Association to something like The Myanmar Colonial Oppression Society.
  
  I was in Myanmar about this time 2 years ago, and greatly enjoyed reading The Road to Mandalay while I was on the very same road (actually the Irrawaddy River) from Mandalay to Bagan.
  
  Canceling a poem (later set to music) written 130 years ago is sheer stupidity. If the singer didn’t like it, get a new singer – not a new song.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:53am
  - Ruawai
    
    Mr Whippy equivalent in USA has changed its music to keep the woke happy.
    
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    August 16, 2020 10:07am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    They need to cancel every single opera, too: they’re all so sexist!!
    
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    August 16, 2020 10:28am
  - theoldbloke
    
    I also travelled the road to Mandalay(by bus from Yangon(2018))
    To the embarrasment of my Burmese friend I sang “”on the road to Mandalay”” as we approached the city at dawn.
    
    I loved the city and the people.
    
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    August 16, 2020 10:58pm
Yvette

According to a press release from Ruapehu Alpine Lifts (RAL), Whanganui DHB advised it yesterday that a confirmed Covid-19 case from the Auckland cluster visited Tūroa ski field on Sunday 9 August.

RAL says the person also visited Whakapapa Ski Area on Saturday the 8 August, “but was considered pre-symptomatic and so unlikely to be infectious at this time, because of this the DHB have advised that there is no cause for concern or action beyond our current Level 2 protocols, which we are of course following and asking visitors to the mountain to follow as well. [1]

“but was considered pre-symptomatic and so unlikely to be infectious at this time” – is possibly incorrect advice by the Whanganui DHB.
A second opinion would be welcome.

Researchers estimate that people who get infected with the coronavirus can spread it to others 2 to 3 days before symptoms start and are most contagious 1 to 2 days before they feel sick.
…
• Airborne transmission. Research shows that the virus can live in the air for up to 3 hours. It can get into your lungs if someone who has it breathes out and you breathe that air in.

Some people who don’t know they’ve been infected can give it to others. This is called asymptomatic spread. You can also pass it on before you notice any signs of infection, called presymptomatic spread.

Community spread is when someone gets the virus without any known contact with a sick person. [2]

[1] https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/covid-19-case-auckland-cluster-visited-mt-ruapehu-ski-fields
[2] https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-incubation-period
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August 16, 2020 8:41am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Asymptomatic transmission is definitely a thing, both through direct and vicarious case involvement / review. And yes, as you say, people can pass on the infection and make others sick through no fault of their own without ever feeling sick themselves. In other words, when they deny being sick, they’re not lying. They were asymptomatic when they transmitted it and asymptomatic when they recovered from the infection.,
  
  That’s why many of us have been repeating for months that we have to do community testing even of the entirely well, on a large scale or we will never know how much community transmission we have (and secondarily, how much community immunity we may possibly be developing in that wider community).
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:16am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    There is evidently no antigen test of sufficient reliability to show accurate proportions of those who may have passed on the virus unawares.
    Community fear based testing may do more harm than good. The tests for an active virus are different from a passive one–a probable huge waste of resources. The simple remote thermometer test may be an adequate indicator for those who should retire briefly from society and be watchful.
    
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    August 16, 2020 12:21pm
- lifesgood
  
  Wow this family sure get around!
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:25am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Excellent observation Yvette. If only we had journalists who asked such questions. But no, that would be offensive to dear leader.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:38am
- Ed Snack
  
  Yet confirmed cases of catching the Covid virus outside are essentially non existent. There are several but it is not certain that the transmission was outside, just that it could have been.
  
  So generally speaking, unless the visitor to Tauroa or Whakapapa went into one of the cafes or the rental department which are “inside”, then the chances of transmission are very low.
  
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  August 16, 2020 11:36am
  - DeepBlue
    
    They did visit the cafe.
    
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    August 16, 2020 12:13pm
TWEEDSE

This article from the Foundation of Economic Freedom maybe nearly 3 years old but the critique of Ardern as “clueless” is timeless. Worth a Sunday morning read or reread.

https://fee.org/articles/new-zealand-s-new-pm-is-clueless-about-capitalism/
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August 16, 2020 8:44am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Thanks for that. The role of a government that wants to promote prosperity is to facilitate markets, do NOT pander to vested interests and to protect property rights and protect citizens from external harm.
  
  This government is the total opposite of all that. Witness 1 the provincial Growth Fund. Witness 2 that shameful thing in Auckland where protestors successfully shut down a housing development. I could name a dozen others without trying too hard.
  
  AT BEST, and I stress this is a best case scenario, this government has New Zealand on the same road as Argentina. We have a full blown socialist nationalist government run by a politburo who are incompetent. The prosperity that remains is a residual from past decades. Come 2021 the slide will accelerate. Tragic.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:18am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It can be stopped by voting National.
    
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    August 16, 2020 12:23pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Precise description: “ She sounds like a clueless college student, regurgitating some nonsense she heard in a sociology class.”
  
  She is exactly that.
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:43am
- TWEEDSE
  
  A good day to the down ticker. Ignoring evidence based data and just going with your emotions.
  
  Brilliant.
  
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  August 16, 2020 12:26pm
igm

Many are also referring to it as the “Chineese Disease”, which is apt.
Seems Meng Foon is stirring up a mountain of pro-CCP rubbish!
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August 16, 2020 8:45am
chwaga

What I want to know is WHERE is Megan Woods. She was appointed to be in charge of the border, she brought in the army and she was going th have reports on her desk every day. She has been conspicuous by her absence. So much so much so tha Chris Hipkins has had to apologize for border lapses. Where is she?
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August 16, 2020 8:45am
- kowtow
  
  Don’t forget the PM said all her energies were going on the Wuflu too . Wow , that worked out well . The question must be “what they hell was she doing “
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:11am
- virtualmark
  
  Megan Woods is Labour’s election campaign manager, so I assume that with Chippie taking over as Minister of Health they’ve moved her to concentrate on the election.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:27am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    no shes jacindas replacement, cant have her getting slaughtered by incompetence before cindy jets off to the UN.
    
    in other words theyve just inserted a scapegoat and the poor dude dosent even realise it.
    
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    August 16, 2020 11:14am
    - virtualmark
      
      There is no Jacinda replacement. Just like there was no John Key replacement. And before him no Helen Clark replacement.
      
      On one level all three were quite unique personalities that you shouldn’t expect to find a simple drop-in replacement for. And God knows Labour don’t have much talent or ability behind her.
      
      On another level all three have such dominant positions in their parties that leave little oxygen for anyone with leadership aspirations to come through.
      
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      August 16, 2020 12:43pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Woods is getting tips from Twyford.
  
  Trouble being, they have lost their note taking crayon.
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:11am
- DeepBlue
  
  She tweeted last night that the rumours are false, and got rounded on for it.
  
  She will be with Jacinda deciding a new election campaign and the best date of the election.
  
  Megan will be too busy to do either job properly, like Chippie, when they have multiple portfolios.
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:16am
- niggly
  
  Excellent points. I wonder if Labour have finally figured out that Wood’s “smile and waffle” technique isn’t cutting it with the public, especially when things are going wrong all the time now?
  
  The one good thing about Hipkins is, he doesn’t waffle, instead his answers are on topic which gives the impression he is on top of his portfolio.
  
  Contrast that to previous Health Minister David Clark who also smiled and waffled, came across as clueless and seemed totally out of touch with his portfolio as he was hopeless answering questions and deflected whenever he could. He even seem removed from his position and events happening under his watch! Goodness knows why Labour took so long to remove him!
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:21am
- Hard Cheese
  
  She kept insisting after the last bunch of people had escaped that the issues had been “fixed” and our border quarantine was “robust”.
  
  The answer is she’s hiding, because she should be sacked.
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:57am
- Paul Marsden
  
  You omitted the Wing Commander. He seems to have vanished into thin air. Perhaps he is been court marshalled for not following orders? And also that other fellow Bush. Where’s he gone… Bush? I’m so confused. Its all worse than a soap opera.
  
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  August 16, 2020 12:28pm
- LetMeOut
  
  Megan Woods was in charge of the border. She has been removed from the daily meetings and instead the PM, Hipkins and Robertson have fronted to remove the focus on the border. This is a manipulation to fool the masses. They are trying to create the idea that the latest strain of COVID-19 came in via the cold store and not via the border quarantine system (the obvious source). This is why they are doing a forensic examination of the facility. The worker with COVID will have breathed, coughed or sputtered somewhere in the warehouse. Find one molecule of viral RNA with their PCR test and they can seed the idea. They can never prove infection came from infectious particles on items shipped from overseas, but it doesn’t matter. The right sentence dropped in a 1:00 pm TV session is all it needs and the media do the rest (already working it now). Test all the port workers, and the masses start to think it is real. Megan will be back once this is accomplished. Manipulate, deflect and create fear. Who cares about the consequences as long as they prevent support slipping away. No ethics and not fit to govern.
  
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  August 16, 2020 1:00pm
  - alloytoo
    
    That fact that nothing has been shipped between the two cold stores in many month doesn’t seem to deter them.
    
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    August 16, 2020 7:15pm
- david
  
  Too busy running the Labour Election campaign which is still happening “at pace” ( to coin a phrase not used as part of the ‘keyword’ talking point lexicon created by the $16 million consultants to the New Zealand Government but hijacked by the Political Party called Labour. ….. yeah right)
  Corruption upon corruption, labour and Dr Woods PHD ( Piled Higher and Deeper)
  
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  August 16, 2020 1:04pm
oldpark

For Labour Party and Control Freak Ardern. Asked what was Labours’ Policies for the coming General Election on 19 09 2020 . Policies not required when you’re running mate is the “Coronavirus”. Go figure that type of mental fear and control of NZs Five Million Sheepel. Minus the many many bloggers who frequent Kiwiblog . Lest we forget .
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August 16, 2020 8:47am
Odakyu-sen

“So what if it upsets China? Facts are facts.”

Loss of face in some cultures is more important than the facts.
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August 16, 2020 8:51am
Harriet

“Give us our s – t back!” one man yells. 😎

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/blm-protesters-demand-white-people-give-up-their-homes/news-story/857efdf252d4fcbdcd04bdddd322487e
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August 16, 2020 8:51am
- Rich Prick
  
  I suspect they won’t be wanting the debt that comes with those homes. Burn, Loot, Murder are racist idiots.
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:44am
gander

*CV19 is not a virus.

Now that’s one I hadn’t heard before. What, precisely, do you believe CV19 is?
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August 16, 2020 8:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  CV19 = Covid-19 is the name of the disease.
  
  The organism (virus) that causes the disease is
  SARS-Cov-2
  
  https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/technical-guidance/naming-the-coronavirus-disease-(covid-2019)-and-the-virus-that-causes-it
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:10am
  - rouppe
    
    It is splitting hairs to say covid-19 is not a virus.
    
    Co=corona
    Vi=virus
    D=disease
    
    The health problems (disease) are caused by a virus. You don’t solve the problem with the disease without countering the virus.
    
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    August 16, 2020 9:53am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Covid-19 (or Cv19 at a stretch) is the de-facto name of both the virus and the disease for most of the Western world.
    
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    August 16, 2020 10:05am
    - Westie Bob
      
      Do I have to have seen CV1 through 18 to enjoy CV19.
      
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      August 17, 2020 10:09am
  - Pharmachick
    
    Agreed Maggy, had to correct that in a Federal policy document a few weeks ago, it was funny even committee member made the same correction. Heh, Pedantic Academics R Us. 🙂
    
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    August 16, 2020 1:44pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      *EVERY committee member.
      
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      August 16, 2020 1:44pm
- Joely Doe
  
  Really?!
  
  Wow.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:55am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m guessing you ‘believe’ anything presented to you with little critique. You may even ‘believe’ the virus and be ‘eliminated’.
  
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  August 16, 2020 11:05am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    we reached the 36month elimination status in only 30days, only saint cindy could do such things.
    
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    August 16, 2020 11:19am
Chuck Bird

Q + A should be very interesting this morning.
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August 16, 2020 8:56am
- Ruawai
  
  Judith handled Jack Tame well and Hipkins looked incompetent, the panel were average. RNZ panel with Jim Mora on this morning were good.
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:11am
- namron
  
  Jack Tame spoke over and drowned out Judith’s replies to his questions before she had completed them NINETEEN times!
  Chris’s score was 4!
  Quite unfair to prevent her from completing answers to his questions.
  
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  August 16, 2020 12:17pm
  - slijmbal
    
    I’ve been paying attention to Tame and the RNZ’s Ryan’s level of interruptions for the last month or so.
    
    They invariably interrupt National MPs massively more than Labour MPs. I cannot recall a single instance of a Green MP being interrupted.
    
    Considering that it is the worldclass c******f**k of the Labour government that really mattered this morning this is incredibly poor journalism but why aren’t we surprised.
    
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    August 16, 2020 3:23pm
All_on_Red

‘Britain discovered on Wednesday that its economy had suffered a recession deeper than any other reported by a European or North American country during the coronavirus pandemic.

The reasons for the severe downturn in the second quarter include an economy that relies more heavily than most on consumer spending and a longer national lockdown than its neighbors.

Still, the cost of the pandemic provided another grim record. Last month, the government reported that Britain had Europe’s highest rate of excess deaths.’
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/12/business/britain-economy-recession-coronavirus.html
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August 16, 2020 8:57am
- virtualmark
  
  And the UK health authorities think only about 5-6% of their population have so far contracted Covid-19.
  
  (320,000 confirmed cases, which they assume to be about 10% of total actual cases, in a population of 66 million)
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:38am
- virtualmark
  
  Red, this is a good read … https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/08/why-britain-failed-coronavirus-pandemic/615166/
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:42am
- Classic Liberal
  
  I find it hard to trust any death rates when people are dying of comorbidities and there isn’t enough wide population testing to know what the infection rate has really been.
  
  Even antibodies die away after one has recovered. T-cell tests might tell us more -Pharmachick?
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:49am
  - Pharmachick
    
    Yes, overt antibodies gone as early as 21 days in some, up to 90 days in others, most people have cleared them after 3 months. There is now evidence that some (many? most? – unknown and unclear) people can re-contract SARS-Cov-2 again as early as 3 months). Sorry to be bearer of bad tidings re: herd immunity my friends.
    
    Agreed, T-cell immunity will tell a better story, but T-cell tests are way harder, they’re not standard clinical testing battery apart from HIV Px (but maybe should be now).
    
    Major T-cell immunity studies coming out of NIAID, UCSF, Stanford and Oxford soon. I’ll post something in GD when and if they turn up for you all.
    
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    August 16, 2020 2:03pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Also here:
      
      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/opinion/coronavirus-antibodies-immunity.html?searchResultPosition=1
      
      The only problem is Bob Gallo has recently come out with a commentary that the virus is glucosylated and so the antibodies are as well. Its bad news for an enduring vaccine – the virus is immune privileging itself. BAD news. And you can trust Bob at his word, he would know.
      
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      August 16, 2020 2:06pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        People that downtick strictly factual replies are ignorant trolls that should get the hell out of their mother’s basements (or their own echo chambers). You can disagree with opinions, sure; but disagreeing with facts is stupidity beyond belief.
        
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        August 16, 2020 2:37pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The downticker wants to signal his presence (there’s no way a female would waste her time in such a mindless pursuit).
        
        It’s probably better for the rest of us that the downticker is engaged in downticking and not out in the community harassing folks.
        
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        August 16, 2020 2:43pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Thanks Pharmachick. What did you think of this Swedish Dr’s observations (thinks herd immunity actually very high now, but not showing in antibody tests. Because he sees so few people getting sick now): https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/04/how-bad-is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective
        
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        August 16, 2020 4:42pm
Tomtoddy

Every time I read an article on Stuff I get this message thrust in my face telling me they want money because they are the reliable, honest and trustworthy.

If they are that good why are they continuing to write criticism of Gerry Brownlee’s harmless questioning and avoiding saying anything about Peter’s remarks to Australian media about an apparent security breach? After all one is the deputy leader of the Opposition required to seek answers and the other is the Deputy Prime Minister who should know all the facts.
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August 16, 2020 9:05am
- Colville
  
  Thing that irks me (most) about Stuffed is their selective and biased use of their comments section..
  
  But I suppose it follows the golden rule…she who controls the gold writes the rules…and when she hands out $50 mil she gets what she paid for.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:58am
- Rich Prick
  
  It’s gas-lighting. But I don’t think anyone is buying it.
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

Evolution of Temperature graphics on German TV
https://notrickszone.com/2020/08/15/german-tv-propaganda-now-forecast-charts-for-regular-summer-weather-made-to-look-like-images-of-hell/
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August 16, 2020 9:08am
- niggly
  
  Also looks like the Germans have taken “revenge” on Britain by still colouring them “cold” green instead of “climate change red” i.e. cold (hearted) Britain … perhaps it’s revenge for the Fawlty Towers skit that managed to escape the censors a few weeks ago, the one in which John Cleese goosesteps pass German visitors and proclaims “don’t mention ze war”?
  
  If so, does it prove the old stereotype that Germans just don’t have a sense of humor?!!
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tms0yk9kqVM
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:30am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Next: sizzle up the presenter?
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:51am
wimpston peeeders

if jacindas so confident shes handling covid the way team of 5mil want why dosent she add it to the list of referendums?

let the people vote give us a choice!
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August 16, 2020 9:11am
- bruceavon
  
  The general election is a referendum on covid this time. Nothing else matters at all.
  
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  August 16, 2020 11:14am
Tony Stuart

The Fraser House downticker must have woken up thinking today was Monday, not Sunday; just sayin’…
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August 16, 2020 9:13am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Well it’s good to know that somewhere he/she is still functioning as paid, and not simply vegetating on a Jonescouch sucking up a benny courtesy of the productive taxpayers. Although I suppose, could be doing that anyway i.e. also…
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:18am
- Cinematic
  
  Has to have a pea sized brain to find satisfaction in such an activity.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:35am
- Tall Man
  
  As Batman said, not a fraser house link just a twit.
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:00am
Inandout

All shops must have the Covidsquiggle on their windows by this Wednesday. All those people who dutifully downloaded the app will surely remember to charge their mobile batteries.
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August 16, 2020 9:13am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Q & A. Hipkins dancing on the head of a pin. Then ‘poof’ he was gone. Too much heat? Censored?
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August 16, 2020 9:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He is back now after being reprogrammed
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:33am
Tony Stuart

Please consider joining the more than 6000 people who have already signed this petition calling for butchers, bakers and greengrocers to be allowed to open under L3 lockdown

https://www.change.org/p/nz-government-allow-butchers-greengrocers-and-bakeries-at-level-3
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August 16, 2020 9:17am
- bruceavon
  
  The butcher, baker and veg store up the road from us are open. The Butcher is just taking orders from the door. Not sure if it is legal.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:49am
- Gerrit
  
  Tried but it wont let me sign without first disabling my ad blocker. Not going to win many friends and get signatories by draconian ideas to turn browser ad blockers off .
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:29am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That probably renders the app void. It’s dubious as to what authority there is to force its use as many of us don’t have it.
    What does enabling an add blocker add to contact tracing? It may prevent info being passed on to third parties for profit. Is it a govt function to mandate that? Does the MoH authority extend that far?
    Cinders should be careful not to get burnt by her own fire.
    
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    August 16, 2020 12:35pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  What about the poor old candlestick makers, Tony? Would somebody think of those poor bastards.
  
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  August 16, 2020 12:16pm
MJHNZ

Just watching Q & A. Jack Tame is a complete F#%*wit. No bias from this leftie retard.
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August 16, 2020 9:25am
Tomtoddy

Is it possible that people watching Q and A would see the easy ride Hipkins got and the rude, interupting, snide and arrogant questioning of Judith Collins and wonder whether Tame and his bosses are very deliberately manipulating coverage?
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August 16, 2020 9:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If I was Judith I would have stood up, taken the mic off, and told the rude prick Tame to do the interview with someone else.
  Trump style. Fuck Jake Tame
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jack, you are not continuously interrupting Fran, why not? Scared she will mop the floor with you?
    
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    August 16, 2020 9:50am
  - barnacle bill
    
    She may as well have done the walkout Steve.
    She didn’t answer the question which was, what would you have done differently.
    
    She didn’t offer one thing that would have made difference.
    She is all noise over substance.
    
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    August 16, 2020 10:06am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Had to answer with that prick interviewing himself
      
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      August 16, 2020 11:43am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Hard to answer* ffs
        
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        August 16, 2020 1:31pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      National has not promised an approach w more open businesses, have they? Just better border control.
      
      Judith has specifically stated that NZ would not stomach the Swedish approach.
      
      I might vote Act if they make more sense. Otherwise National because they should help small business more than Labour.
      
      But on covid National is not daring to suggest anything but elimination.
      
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      August 16, 2020 11:44am
      - barnacle bill
        
        @CL> You stated,
        
        I might vote Act if they make more sense. Otherwise National because they should help small business more than Labour.
        
        However, there was a poll this week about how the small to medium sized business are very happy with the support the COL have given them.
        
        This about National being better for business is just an illusion that National supporters have.
        A myth.
        
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        August 16, 2020 12:06pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Any government who now rejects the lockdown strategy will find themselves Belarused. We aren’t a sovereign nation any longer.
        
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        August 16, 2020 12:19pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        BB, Labour are all out against the small business of owning a rental property. National will repeal the recent crazy Tenancy Law change.
        
        And I expect they will propose some of the asset taxes the Greens want. Small businesses and many Auckland homeowners would be asset taxed. National has stated they won’t do that.
        
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        August 16, 2020 5:00pm
    - Lance
      
      Nonsense and untrue
      She said that given the information the CoL are deliberately starving National of, she would make damn sure that what they said they were going to do, would be done.
      Unlike the Dad’s army halfwits we have running the country now.
      The clown Tame thought it an oxymoron that you can have a policy of elimination AND avoid lock-downs. Gee Jack, some people can chew gum and walk at the same time.
      I constantly see Hagar’s obnoxious mug every time I see Tame
      
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      August 16, 2020 12:00pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      You don’t have to do anything differently, you just have to do it properly. Apparently Jack Tame can’t get that concept through his thick skull.
      
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      August 16, 2020 12:47pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  She was way too tolerant of Kim Hill’s insulting tone and endless interruptions recently. Judith is being a patient saint with these creeps!
  
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  August 16, 2020 10:57am
  - Nickc2
    
    I’m informed that alphabet people in and associated with government protect the people behind the Q and A Show.
    
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    August 16, 2020 1:03pm
fernglas

Is the Ministry of Health lying to us again? Yesterday, the D-G was trumpeting that they had met their target of tracing 80% of contacts within 48 hours. But that is wrong. The target is to contact trace 80% of contacts within 48 hours of notification of the case. The index case was found late on the 10th. The claim to have met the target was made yesterday, 15th August. So is the target 80% within 48 hours of the index case or not? Because if it is, then the target has not been met. If it is within 48 hours of identifying the contact, then that should be made clear.
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August 16, 2020 9:35am
Tauhei Notts

I have been tracking the betting odds for the American election. I have noticed the increasing favouritism for Trump over the past twenty five days. His odds have dropped from $2.88 to $2.56 in a steady trend.
It seems that every time a local newspaper writes something critical of Trump, his odds in the betting markets fall. Weird, eh?
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August 16, 2020 9:35am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kamala Harris. Climing the greasy pole and sucking up to get to the top.
https://www.revolver.news/2020/08/kamala-harris-willie-brown/?fbclid=IwAR0FFUiPHlM6BtQFfnA2YnBMvWzCDddwvzqlnnFKo64WWVId4p-fOCqZwq0
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August 16, 2020 9:42am
WaveyDavey

All those saying lock up tight until we get a vaccine have a read of this:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/coronavirus-live-updates-on-new-zealand-s-new-covid-19-outbreak-sunday-august-16.html

8:35am – An Ontario-based viral immunologist says New Zealand could face years of isolation if health officials pin their hopes on a vaccine becoming readily available in the not-too-distant future.

Dr Byram Bridle, a University of Guelph immunologist commissioned by the Government of Ontario to develop a vaccine for COVID-19, says a vaccine in New Zealand will be “late, limited and last”.

“The race to develop a vaccine for the coronavirus is certainly on, but the timelines being reported by media, and hopeful virologists, have been greatly overstated,” Dr Bridle said in a statement released on Sunday. “The promises being made of a vaccine within a year are very, very unlikely.”

He says New Zealand will struggle to secure access to any version of a vaccine ahead of wealthy nations – or conversely, incredibly poor countries that have been ravaged by the disease.

“New Zealand would be unwise to rely on elimination of the virus until a vaccine appears – because a vaccine will be late, and its availability will be limited,” he said.

“It’s arguable that by being free of the disease, New Zealand will be last in the queue for a vaccine.”

And then this:

https://theconversation.com/fast-covid-19-vaccine-timelines-are-unrealistic-and-put-the-integrity-of-scientists-at-risk-139824

Letting the virus run its course and developing herd immunity will be the ultimate answer. Time for governments to start explaining why and stop waving a non-existent magic wand.
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August 16, 2020 9:47am
- virtualmark
  
  New Zealand has already secured sizeable commitments of vaccine supply from several of the most promising vaccine candidates.
  
  Fair to say none of us yet know which vaccines will prove to be successful, or to be best. But we have already secured supply of several hundred thousand doses even before any are yet ready to go.
  
  And work is underway to build up NZ’s own vaccine manufacturing capacity in anticipation that some will prove successful. We don’t have infrastructure for some of the vaccine types (for example, I believe the Moderna vaccine couldn’t currently be manufactured here) but several of the current promising candidates could be manufactured here and the Govt is investing in building up that manufacturing capacity.
  
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  August 16, 2020 2:03pm
Engelbert Humperdink

Worth a read, when you’re inclined to believe ‘modelling’ is helpful the SiouxHendys of NZ are helping us…

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1294645063985836032.html
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August 16, 2020 9:59am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some fun. Sons of Democracy, starring Republicans. Special guest Alex Jones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ael32U-gSRU&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2ijj_hu0_xDTiL5gnh4HDpKUtX2ZHO6lfhTp5QE7oiCw92pWy9Y2Qo6oI
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August 16, 2020 10:15am
Yvette

The Guardian, UK, tells its international readers –
Peters said he received the information from a trustworthy source minutes before speaking to the ABC, and had shared it with the television station before informing senior government officials, or the prime minister, Jacinda Ardern.

Meanwhile within New Zealand, after political and media bullying, Gerry Brownlee back tracks on what were reasonable questions to ask.

However –
Hipkins, Bloomfield urge Kiwis to get tested for COVID-19 if asked, but haven’t been tested themselves – Newshub headline, July 30

‘A matter of when, not if’: Ashley Bloomfield warns Covid-19 community transmission in NZ inevitable – RNZ headline, August 5

Coronavirus: The plan for ‘when’ COVID-19 re-emerges in the community – Dr Bloomfield
– Newshub headline, August 5. Item opening –
New Zealand’s leading health officials believe it’s inevitable that COVID-19 will re-emerge in the community, despite it being 95 days since a case was acquired locally from an unknown source.
“Not if, but when” was Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield’s response when questioned on the likelihood of a COVID-19 resurgence in New Zealand.

Testing, as displayed in Health Ministry website graph, increases July 2-3 and seems not to be related to week-end drops.

And then last Friday –
There are signs we have found this outbreak relatively early in its life. While the first case we identified tested positive this Tuesday, extensive testing and contact tracing has since determined that the earliest case we have found to date was a worker at the Americold Cool Store in Mt Wellington who became sick on approximately the 31st of July – Ardern, 5.30 announcement Friday.

A bit contradictory or unclear, but if the July 31 date is correct, it would seem to explain much of the other dates above, and so reasonable to ask questions as Brownlee did.

Likewise Hamish Walker raised reasonable initial questions only to be shut down by Megan Woods calling him “racist”, instead of offering answers.
That Michelle Boag emailed the list of case details she should not have had (but did) to Walker, most likely was because it would have supported those countries Walker named as be where cases were coming from. Which, as long as no names themselves were published, was probably also reasonable in the face of Woods’ accusation of “racism” and the unsuitability of Queenstown as a isolation facility as Woods has since confirmed.
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August 16, 2020 10:20am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Candy boy Jack Tame is blasting Judith Collins in Q & A this morning, without even listening to what she has to say.
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August 16, 2020 10:24am
Old White Loser

On Q & A I thought Judith had Jack at the end and he knew he had been smacked down. She also had Jack then pushing the trust angle with Hipkins.

It is a shame no one was watching
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August 16, 2020 10:29am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump supporters attempt world boat parade record.
https://wgntv.com/news/trump-supporters-attempt-world-record-boat-parade-near-clearwater-beach/?fbclid=IwAR0xWhyVWUmBIb0uXS3DZmIj7SWG2rRzF-hKxdbzS8DuNlA1r_WMcLqgJWo
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August 16, 2020 10:33am
- Jules99
  
  Wow, that would be fun being on one of those boats.
  
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  August 16, 2020 12:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maybe I could organise one for Auckland Harbour on say Sunday Nov 1st. Trouble is lack of flags – I think the COL banned American Flags.
    That would piss off the left yugely
    
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    August 16, 2020 2:54pm
RJ

Currently watching a four part interview with Anneke. A bit of info from an old article

A former child sex slave sold into a Belgian aristocratic paedophile ring where boys and girls were raped, tortured and murdered has revealed the horrors of her five years of abuse….

At the age of 11, having spent five and a half years inside the twisted aristocratic sex ring, it was decided she was “of no use anymore” and was to be killed.

She recalled: “I was strapped to a butcher’s block that was black with all the blood of children that had come before me.

“One man was forcing five young children to harm me. It was part of their indoctrination.

NZ Herald

4 part interview

In this 4 part series, we speak with Anneke Lucas as she describes her riveting story of growing up as a sex slave to high profile politicians. She reveals how things operate, her in depth story

Overcoming Elite Child Sex Slavery & Pedophilia – Anneke Lucas
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August 16, 2020 10:58am
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August 16, 2020 11:04am
- RJ
  
  Did you tick in the boxes below the reply when posting?
  
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  August 16, 2020 11:44am
Dave Mann

I’ve just read a really good critique of Ardern from a British POV in Spiked here:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/08/14/jacinda-is-no-saint/

It’s absolutely scathing…. and rightly so (geddit? LOL) and it’s heartening to see some of her lies and bullshit being challenged at an international level.

Well worth a read!
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August 16, 2020 11:09am
- Philview
  
  Thanks for the link. Interesting to read about NZ having the biggest contraction for 29 years. The NZ media give the impression that there was barely a negative consequence of the lockdown. Even this week I read an economist saying that now we know there are limited negative consequences to lockdown we can keep doing it as needed.
  
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  August 16, 2020 2:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Online Lotto closed until 6pm. Upgrading system because of demand.
Did not know Lotto was a Govt dept that the COL fucked up //
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12356858
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August 16, 2020 11:28am
- peterwn
  
  Put it down to Murphy’s Law. It would be unfair to blame a Minister, Lotteries Board or Lotto CEO. I doubt the 10 lucky punters would be too upset.
  Similar thing to when the old Broadcasting Corporation payroll program crashed as it was designed for a maximum annual salary of $9999 and the Director-General got a pay rise taking him over $9999 (in those days computing resources were so valuable forcing programmers to minimise storage hence 4 digit salaries, two digit years – remember Y2K etc)..
  
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  August 16, 2020 12:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tell me that the Minister of All Fuckups Phil Twitford is not involved
    
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    August 16, 2020 2:56pm
RJ

Fore the first time in my life I support Chris Hipkins

Covid cluster family ‘shell-shocked’, being bullied online

Health Minister Chris Hipkins says the number of conspiracy theories running rampant on social media is “really concerning”.

His statement follows a widely-circulated rumour linking the Auckland cluster to an alleged breach of a managed isolation facility, later debunked by the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment.

Speaking to Magic Talk’s Sunday Cafe, Hipkins confirmed that none of the allegations proposed in the theory were true.

“Of course it was properly investigated… that was really, really unfair on that family, on that particular person,” he said. “People just making stuff up and spreading it and sharing it? That’s malicious.”

Hipkins also had a message to New Zealanders using social media platforms to scaremonger and spread misinformation during this period of uncertainty.

“We still have free speech here, but my message to everyone is exercise your right to free speech responsibly. Don’t go spreading information if you can’t verify the source of it,” he said. “We’re going to great lengths every day to do a full briefing at 1pm every day that puts out the facts… Rely on that information, not some Facebook meme that somebody’s shared.”

Newshub
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August 16, 2020 12:05pm
- Te Rauparaha
  
  I don’t believe Hipkins. Nor Ardhern.
  
  If they won’t tell the truth – including the fact that virus CANNOT be controlled by mere humans – then the public will have to try and figure out for themselves what the hell is going on.
  
  If Hipkins and co don’t like the rumours, then OPEN THE FILES (INCLUDING THE COALITION AGREEMENT).
  
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  August 16, 2020 12:34pm
  - RJ
    
    The truth, ah, the truth is the people whose job it is to track down where this virus came from are working their butts off. Hipkins and this have nothing to do with coalition agreement, nice try to divert there.
    
    If you think making up stories on where these people got the virus and attacking them is acceptable I feel sorry for you
    
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    August 16, 2020 12:54pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Concern trolling noted.
      
      Speculation will run rife until facts are presented. You want to shut down speculation, present the facts.
      
      Also it’s not as if this administration doesn’t have a major lengthy repeated track record of flat-out lying like a bunch of bazaar carpets.
      
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      August 16, 2020 1:58pm
      - RJ
        
        and of course you know the facts come when they know them, and that they are working their butts off trying to find where this cluster started and came from.
        
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        August 16, 2020 3:42pm
- Philview
  
  Per Stuff and RNZ the 1 pm update once again pointed to cold store transmission as the best lead. The Government give the impression of continually trying to divert attention away from lax border controls. I was pleased to hear Richard Harman and Linda Clark give the Government criticism of their handling of this new crisis on RNZ this morning.
  
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  August 16, 2020 2:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  On Saturday Hipkins said (paraphrased) If you want the truth, it is on TV1 at 1pm.
  But the day before he lied about the Wellington cases.
  None of them can be trusted – lying is a prerequisite to becoming a Labour Party Member
  
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  August 16, 2020 3:00pm
Old White Loser

I understand that there has been issues with the PCR Probes leading to a higher possibility of False Negatives with CoVid 19 Tests.

Maybe why one got through the boarder, questions should be asked about this.
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August 16, 2020 12:53pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  It’s an unpleasant = intrusive test to have, being in the job I am in I’ve had three over the months. (The first back in Feb was so that I could explain to people what it felt like and reassure them that I had gone through it, and wasn’t advising / prescribing something for them that I wouldn’t undergo myself).
  
  It is not without its complications. Elsewhere we had a patient who had to be admitted to hospital for nasal packing as he kept bleeding from a swab contact point.
  
  If the virus is not inhabiting the path you swab, or if the swab doesn’t pick up enough sample to identify the virus, you’ll get a false negative even when the patient is infected.
  
  There are some lab-tricks you can do to increase the accuracy of the testing of the sample you get, but getting a better-than-adequate sample in the first place can be hard.
  
  This next is not my writing, but I have rarely read a better / more factual description of the test process:
  
  “The person conducting the test will insert a long stick with a very soft brush on the end — kind of like a pipe cleaner — up your nose and twirl it around for a few seconds. The soft bristles will collect a sample of secretions there for analysis.
  
  “The swab has to go pretty far back, because cells and fluids must be collected from along the entire passageway that connects the base of the nose to the back of the throat to get a really good specimen.
  
  “The body is not used to having an object in that area, though, so it creates a lot of very odd sensations. For one thing, it activates the lachrymal reflex, which means it’ll bring tears to your eyes if it’s done correctly.
  
  “I wouldn’t go so far as to say it hurt, but it is uncomfortable. Since the swab will also touch the back of the throat, it may also trigger a gag reflex.
  
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  August 16, 2020 2:03pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Oh dear, a couple of downtickers downticking science. So I guess you’re not Greta’s disciples. 🙂
    
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    August 16, 2020 5:43pm
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Nope. Fellators of the Equus.
      
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      August 16, 2020 7:21pm
sooty

Why would you go and get tested, only to be hauled off to jail if you get a positve?
If you have the flue stay home and isolate for 14 days and get food delivered.
Unless you are on deaths door!
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August 16, 2020 1:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Getting ridiculous. How long before we have this madness in NZ.
Wearing a mask while video conferencing.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/wisconsin-state-agency-requiring-people-in-virtual-meetings-to-wear-masks/?fbclid=IwAR0St0wk7kVWLy0QWm3-iRb97jF2vwuQyaZ7NM4OEFShQCx9mVogKp0YSQk
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August 16, 2020 1:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  Already there mate.
  
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  August 16, 2020 2:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Taiwan’s Covid-19 Maestro has just won the Mayoralty of Kaohsiung.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3988078
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August 16, 2020 2:29pm
Paul Marsden

It is an extremely long bow to draw, that the virus was transmitted via frozen goods, imported from Melbourne. However, it is a far lesser bow to draw that the woman referred to in the article (below), may have come into contact with the virus by any number of actions, that are far more likely and plausible, than the scenario regarding contact with imported, frozen foods

Stuff Reports: “Woman arrested after entering Auckland isolation facility through ‘faulty car park door’ Katarina Williams and Kendall Hutt 22:00, Aug 12 2020

Notwithstanding any other matter, to dispel the rumors that are circulating on the internet, then somebody in authority needs to confirm that this woman has been tested for the virus and confirm the results of her test, to the country. If negative, then the rumors can be laid to rest immediately. If positive, then it would appear to me that there are a significant number of questions to be asked (and quickly)
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August 16, 2020 2:41pm
- RJ
  
  Right, until the ministry of health can work out where this virus came from let’s just all lie and spread misinformation and attack the family because someone not even connected to the family tried to break into a facility and didn’t get past the staff area or near any of the people in it. Good to know, when in doubt lie and be part of the problem.
  
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  August 16, 2020 3:51pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Misinformation will spread quickly, in the absence of facts speculation will continue. So why does the government not release the facts? Answer, because they would be damaging. QED.
    
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    August 16, 2020 5:41pm
    - RJ
      
      No because they are still trying to work out where the outbreak started. But hey if you know how and where it started why don’t you give them a call and give them a heads up and give them all your research and testing that shows where it started.
      
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      August 16, 2020 6:28pm
    - alloytoo
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/americold-boss-adamant-virus-didnt-come-melbourne-store
      
      “We can completely rule out transmission through that speculation on freight. It’s just not possible because there is no freight or supply chain connecting those two properties [Mt Wellington and Melbourne].”
      
      This may prove inconvenient.
      
      Perhaps before we embarked on expensive tests we should have checked shipping records?
      
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      August 16, 2020 7:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/08/15/robert-trump-dies/?fbclid=IwAR3-a4bjXSO90XBbN0Abgn2OE9dG3jH-Rvg6h-jT9y1USoRDUdtPbfMxeCA#.XzieQAaA-6Q.facebook

[Mod. Note: In future, please post more than a link. Some context is required.]
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August 16, 2020 3:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A downtick when someone passed away? There are some nasty FUCKHEADS out there
  
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  August 16, 2020 4:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  In the link it says “Robert trump dies”
  That should have been enough to work out what the link led to
  
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  August 17, 2020 7:59am
Benedict Yu

https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/122366595/from-age-13-to-88-climate-ambassadors-call-for-action

This is not news. It is propaganda.
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August 16, 2020 4:03pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Looks like the reporting of a series of facts to me. Do they conflict with your ideology in some way?
  
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  August 16, 2020 7:27pm
Classic Liberal

Affirmative action at Yale called out by US DoJ: Styx reports:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/kAWvp6gA_To/

Good, maybe other governments will begin to see how racist these policies are!
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August 16, 2020 4:32pm
lifesgood

If we managed to suppress Covid last time without everyone being forced to wear face masks why the push to wear them now? This is just BS. Are they trying to tell us the outbreak is our fault because we didn’t wear them last time? I reject the idea of being forced to wear one. I live alone, won’t be going shopping and and will be careful to maintain social distancing when out for a walk.
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August 16, 2020 4:55pm
- RJ
  
  And how did we suppress it last time, we locked the country down and forced everyone to remain in their houses. If you want to go down that path again that is fine, many don’t.
  
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  August 16, 2020 5:55pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Wear one then RJ feel free , nobody’s stopping you. But being a busy body and telling me what to do is not your call
    
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    August 16, 2020 6:47pm
- theoldbloke
  
  I could understand it(wearing masks) as an alternative to lockdowns (ie the Gold standard – Taiwan approach)
  
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  August 16, 2020 11:06pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300083535/coronavirus-americold-best-lead-in-identifying-link-to-auckland-covid19-outbreak-dr-ashley-bloomfield-says
So it seems to me that there is a full-on campaign to blame frozen Aussie foods for this latest outbreak, as opposed to the more logical illegal breach of security by some South Auckland person.
If frozen foods are a potential source of CV-19 then I am afraid that the whole bloody lot of us are going to be positive ! What a lot of propagandist leftish rubbish.
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August 16, 2020 7:01pm
Stu2

You sometime wonder about journalists.

The Herald is commenting on genome (B.1.1.1) of the auckland cluster and said that is not the sequence of any of the quarantine cases.

What they didn’t say is that the genome has not been derived for all quarantine cases. That genome is present in oz so there could be a match.

Of course MoH know which patients don’t have a genome result and where they came from, so it is possible all the travellers from oz are known and excluded.

A good journalist would have asked, and would also have included in their story how many that have been quarantined have an unknown genome
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August 16, 2020 7:34pm
theoldbloke

Why is nobody holding the Lotteries commisions feet to the fire over the $50 mill lotto clusterfuck.

We had to many ticket buyers..2,000 a minute.

Give me strength…its a bloody computer system!!!

In 1978 I was working for a Computer company in Nth America and responding to a request for a proposal for a computer system to handle an onlne lottery system.

One of the requirements was to handle 50,000 transactions a minute!!!!

So where are the computer journalists calling BS on the fuckup.
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August 16, 2020 11:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The moderators here are being quite sensitive. Am I the only one noticing this?
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  I can type one line, Ctrl goes nowhere. WordPress or moderator?
  
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