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Ian Boag

Plan C

Accept that mainly oldies die from Covid, and at a rate that is not really devastating. Maybe 2000 per year give or take a bit.

We could just stop trying to do anything about it. Help the oldies to self-isolate and leave the under-60s (and brave over-60’s) to get on with life. Explain to under-60’s that it is generally “just a flu” and they are most unlikely to be seriously affected. Cafes, restaurants, bars, rugby, weddings, tangis, flying etc should be all good to go. Give up on contact tracing and open the borders with no arrival testing. Following this path, we would not really know – or care – how many cases there are or where they came from.

Community testing would be there for symptomatic people who want/need it. But basically we would not really care who is infected – be they locals or tourists.

The only seriously affected people are the oldies who would have had fair warning. Some oldies will die, some will recover, some will stay safe, some will be hospitalized. The number in hospital could be a bit of a problem but probably manageable.

Tell the world – “welcome to NZ – the place where we don’t fuss about covid because it is not really a problem”.

We would be world leaders – “Sweden done properly”. Perhaps this would bring back offshore tourists and foreign students. Maybe the buzz would return to CBDs and hospo would come right.

Maybe ….
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December 27, 2017 1:06pm
- Scott
  
  Ian Boag – very nice piece of satire I guess? No one is saying don’t do anything. But somewhere between – don’t do anything and shut down the whole world and our whole economy and – bring everything to a screeching halt for a few cases, there has to be a sensible middle ground?
  
  The fact of the matter is we cannot have a continual rolling maul of lockdowns. We will just simply run out of money.
  
  I know that new conservative talked about “harm minimisation” recently which offered some sensible ideas occupying the middle ground.
  
  The government’s strategy of “elimination” has just not worked and I would argue will not work. We need some middle ground.
  
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  August 27, 2020 1:57pm
  - gorse
    
    Scott, where do get “we will run out of money” from. We already have. The country was in debt before this started. The Labour Government we have was running into serious trouble last year before Covid, there was talk of a recession then, and the need to borrow more. This has been a winner for Ardern, she can sell the Reserve Bank Government Bonds until, well for a long time yet. Their two years of fiscal mismanagement now hidden, blaming a huge debt increase on Covid. How lucky is she?
    
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    August 27, 2020 2:30pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    So we can continue with no tourism and no foreign students. Then we will run out of money if we keep trying to prop up these sectors plus hospo ….
    
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    August 27, 2020 2:30pm
- IC5000
  
  Don’t forget it also hits those who have pre existing health problems. So the obese, the smokers, alcoholics and those with diabetes, cardiovascular and renal issues will have Significantly higher mortality rates.
  
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  August 27, 2020 3:42pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    True – I did say “mainly” oldies …. and there are questions about the ongoing health of recovered people and all that.
    
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    August 27, 2020 4:29pm
    - IC5000
      
      Even if you recover doctors find that covid has caused significant internal organ damage. Some have reported that they have taken months to recover to a point where they could walk unaided.
      
      I am pretty sure the flu did not result in this outcome .
      
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      August 27, 2020 4:35pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I have seen that mentioned elsewhere but have never seen a source for the claim.
        Have you got a link?
        
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        August 27, 2020 4:41pm
      - IC5000
        
        https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/covid-19-should-be-considered-a-multi-system-disea
        
        It’s not copying the whole link for some reason but you should be able to tract it down.
        
        I’m worried about the effects on the renal system. The kidneys are critical for a whole host of functions within the body not just form urine but the bodies homeostasis system. I think we should be wary of herd immunity given the potential costs over a lifetime for every person who catches it.
        
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        August 27, 2020 4:59pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Oldies again?
        
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        August 27, 2020 6:21pm
wimpston peeeders

So the govt dosent want to admit the new covid outbreak has spread beyond the boundaries of the current “cluster” nor do they want to entertain the idea that the 2 seperate clusters could have been started via 1 or several 3rd party sources wandering around spreading it.

so whats their new go to smoke n mirrors? Genome testing of course, “aw look it matches the clusters genome so its related and now contained”. if we go by those definitions was the 1st outbreak in march 1 large nationwide cluster if all the genomes were the same?

To top off the absurdity of it all to bring “great confidence” in their containment they aim to test roughly 0.6% of the lvl3 affected population and a nationwide total of less then 0.2% every day for a week to give the govt great confidence it hasnt spread through the community…

im bursting with confidence that cindys got this
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August 27, 2020 8:01am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Look bro. A new Horizon poll shows people still overwhelmingly support Labour and Cindy. So it appears that Sheeple are happy with any Cindy does. So nothing matters. Game over.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:43am
  - Catgurl13
    
    You might just need to go to Specsavers lol.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:14am
    - mark15
      
      CG13 Do they do covid tests now?
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:22am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    A certain royal family took that attitude before the people got out the guillotine.
    Govt’s have a duty to be able to carry out their functions. If they can’t do that the people must reserve their right to take back power and seek retribution for failure to perform.
    
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    August 27, 2020 10:01am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I wish I shared your confidence in our Prime Minister, and the Ministers who are “managing” this resurgence.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:45am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    maybe // at the end may have helped.
    
    my confidence in cindy is actually extremely high… that she’ll screw this up and cost us another 100bil.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:01am
  - pdm
    
    Inv – under this government `management’ equates to `spinning’ – or more honestly bullshitting.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:19am
- JackRabbit
  
  In NZ, based on current government statistics, you have a greater chance of catching the flu and dying from it, while in hospital for a non-related medical condition, than you of catching Covid-19 and dying from Covid-19.
  
  Notice they have removed the death statistics from the daily Coviod-19 updates e.g. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12359801
  
  They only show NZ cases, but global death stats. 10 people are in hospital. WTF?
  
  Of the 22 dead from Covid-19, only 17 had been tested. Dozens of hospital patients in NZ die every year from infections they picked up in hospital!
  
  Thousands get hospitalised every year from the flu.
  500 per year die from the flu co-morbitities.
  
  180 people are hospitalised weekly from the flu. At any one time, there will be several hundred in hospital from the flu. Mind you, during the lockdown they would have stayed at home out of sheer fear, and croaked there.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11898171
  
  And Cindy has us in lockdown for 10 people in hospital for Covid-19?
  
  17 people have died from Covid-19 and in the same period, hundreds have died from the flu?
  
  Shameless.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:11am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    There is also a greater chance of dying from cancer that would have been detected early if only your screening had not been delayed due to the lockdown.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:27am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    At this point, looking at their own figures, including global figures, anyone who still believes that this is about a virus is beyond help. It simply doesn’t pass the logic test.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:28am
    - calendar girl
      
      You’re expecting ‘logic’ from Cindy and her team?
      
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      August 27, 2020 10:13am
      - Liberty
        
        Amazingly there is a downticker that has a problem with that factual post.
        
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        August 27, 2020 12:49pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Let’s apply the same logic to building aircraft. Hardly anyone dies in crashes, at least proverbially you have more chance of dying on the road to the airport. So all this effort in building expensive planes is just silly. We could save heaps by knocking them up out of any old shit we have to hand.
    
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    August 27, 2020 11:46am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Nice try but irrelevant comparison.
      
      17 people die in aeroplane crashes. 500 people die in car crashes. So you ground all aeroplanes. And spend 100Bn dollars spent on trying to prevent aeroplane crashes.
      
      17 people get food poisoning from Fish and Chip shops and subsequently die. 500 people per year get food poisoning from Indian Takeaways and subsequently die. So the government shuts the Fish and Chips shops.
      
      That’s the valid comparison.
      
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      August 27, 2020 12:59pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        No. You are just plain wrong. We have a strategy to prevent spread of Covid. For the most part, it has worked. 17-22 deaths. Your conclusion seems to be that because only 17 deaths we don’t need to bother too much about the spread of Covid.
        That is exactly the same as: We build safe planes. We get very few plane crashes. Therefore we don’t need safe planes as there are so few crashes.
        
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        August 27, 2020 1:43pm
- Clyde
  
  The Government is in a quandry with this outbreak. A community riddled with overstayers and harbouring Covid. None of these people are going to out themselves to “the Government” to get tested despite having an appointment made to one of their own to this latest group to be appointed.
  
  Clearly there is no consequence for overstaying, but there is a huge consequence to the entire Auckland and NZ community if these Covid carriers and spreaders are not identified and isolated. Can we rely on this Government to treat the control of Covid more seriously than PC protection of overstayers?
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:17am
  - DeepBlue
    
    If this virus is not to be called the Chinese Flu, and a full scale outbreak sweeps the nation, it will forever be known as the South Auckland clusterf**k.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:38am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Basically they are blackmailing us to grant residence to overstayed.
    
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    August 27, 2020 3:35pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Exactly Clyde. I posted this on the blog a week or so ago after one of their preachers stated on TV that many of his congregation were overstayers and would be reluctant to be tested. He even went on to ask for an amnesty for them.
    From memory, I didn’t get too many upticks by stating the obvious. There were several downticks from memory probably from those hand wringers and pearl clutches who only do up and down ticks on this blog and don’t post anything.
    
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    August 27, 2020 4:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Dr Reti explains why Day 3 testing is needed.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20200826_20200826_08/tab/video
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August 27, 2020 8:01am
- godruelf
  
  The more I hear from Reti the more impressed I am. Wasn’t sure when he replaced Woodhouse but he is definitely an improvement.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:17am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Sheeple are not impressed with Reti or Collins or National
    
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    August 27, 2020 8:45am
    - hullkiwi
      
      SCS, and nor are the Labour trolls. They are fighting outbreaks of Judith Collins’ Support Syndrome (JCSS) all over Facebook at all hours of the night.
      
      They have never been so busy, they are getting really angry too – they are calling people bonkers even.
      
      Shows what happens when a Labour troll is sleep deprived!
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:07am
    - igm
      
      The only ones not impressed are leeching left who inhabit taxpayer-funded homes, derive income from production of unwanted ferals, and anything else this slime encrusted CoL will give them for support.
      God Help NZ and Taxpayers.
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:14am
    - barnacle bill
      
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      Trouble is for Collins, when she speaks, no one listens.
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:24am
      - hullkiwi
        
        BB, stop deluding yourself. If what you write were true, then the Labour trolls of Fraser House wouldn’t be so busy at all hours of the night attacking people on Facebook who show Judith Collins Support Syndrome (JCSS).
        
        Do us a favour, go back into your bubble (cave), take a chill pill and wake up on 18/10/2020. It will do wonders for your health.
        
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        August 27, 2020 9:55am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        I used to think that too Barney, but these days I’m not so sure….
        
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        August 27, 2020 10:28am
  - Clyde
    
    Schoolmaster Hipkins is flustered answering Reti’s questions in the House which shows the quality and simplicity of the questions.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:22am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Woodhouse is too smarmy.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:29am
  - DeepBlue
    
    I also like the new class of 2020 Nat candidates. I hope some of them get in on the list.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:44am
- G152
  
  And was totally ignored by the ‘government’
  Who to believe
  A health professional or a politician ????
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:17am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    You have to ask whether the health professional is funded by the “government” or not.
    
    If you want to keep your job, you had better not upset your employer or funder.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:26am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Dr Shane Reti is emerging as a real star, not just in the National Party, but in the entire Parliament.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:20am
  - Tricati
    
    Reti is assured, measured, articulate, and importantly, factual in his statements – Compare him to Hipkins and I know who I want running the Health portfolio and the Covid response.
    
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    August 27, 2020 8:26am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
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    He won’t make it back to the parliament this election. Sad but true.
    
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    August 27, 2020 8:48am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Labour won’t win Whangarei
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:15am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Oh SCS – Reti will bolt home in Whangarei, which he retained in 2017 with a majority of almost 11,000 votes, despite Shane Jones also standing for the seat (and finishing third, behind Reti and Labour). The seat is his for as long as he wants it.
      
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      August 27, 2020 12:39pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    The left will be desperately trying to dig up some dirt on him, or somehow find a way to silence him, as we cannot have such a highly qualified, competent person questioning this COL.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:03am
  - pdm
    
    Reti and Seymour.
    
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    August 27, 2020 10:18am
    - igm
      
      Bloody good double there . . . well worth a heavy bet!
      
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      August 27, 2020 12:48pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Another excellent speech yesterday came from Nicola Willis, talking about Labour’s failure to manage the “immaculate infection”:
  
  https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=215422
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    The “imagined infection” …..
    
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    August 27, 2020 8:33am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I’m sure the three people on ventilators in Intensive Care in Auckland, all of whom are in critical conditions, wish that Covid-19 was an “imagined” infection. One of those is the chap who presented at North Shore’s Emergency Department at the weekend, and whose case is still being investigated for a link to the Auckland cluster.
      
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      August 27, 2020 8:44am
      - Ed Snack
        
        I thought that using ventilators on COVID patients was now not best practice ? Evidence suggests that the pressure used in ventilators damages the lungs further and that supplemental oxygen and in extreme cases external blood oxygenation was the way to go.
        
        I wonder if we have enough recovered cases to ask for blood donations from them to extract the plasma and try that as a treatment. Though maybe as Trump has supported that method it is now obviously worthless ?
        
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        August 27, 2020 9:28am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        It would be interesting to see whether pneumonia is the reason for the ventilation (or whether the coronavirus opens the door for the pneumonia to take hold).
        Are there other risk factors, such as being employed?
        (An analysis of the statistics overseas indicate that being unemployed is correlated with Covid-19 death.)
        
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        Seriously, ventilators are no fun at all… I hope the three can all get off them as soon as possible.
        
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        August 27, 2020 9:29am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        I take your word for that Tony. But that is only three people (who I am fairly certain will be elderly), and if we think logically and impersonally, does three people being seriously ill mean we have to destroy the futures and quality of life of the every one in the next generations? I don’t think it does.
        
        I saw in an article against reducing restrictions featuring one younger woman describing ongoing illness issues as being evidence of danger to even young people: I’m sorry, but one anecdote is insufficient to my way of thinking. If there were a solid body of evidence of any danger to under 60s, they would produce it, not rely on anecdotes of someone who likely has health issues to begin with.
        
        I see that Usain Bolt has Covid: my reaction was “big deal” because we all know that he will be perfectly fine and will fully recover.
        
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        August 27, 2020 9:38am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        The North Shore case involves a man in his 30’s
        
        https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/25-08-2020/the-yellow-flag-case-that-shows-why-covid-19-remains-such-a-worry-in-auckland/
        
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        August 27, 2020 9:42am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Tony, fair enough. But I think that the point still stands: the exceptions only emphasise the rule, and this is an entirely exceptional circumstance, and still does not justify the excessive, universally applied measures, imo.
        
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        August 27, 2020 9:58am
      - Tall Man
        
        Wow, 3 people out of 135 infected that have been found so far. That must be the worst virus known to mankind.
        
        Maybe those three have other issues as well that reduce quality of breathing and life, we don’t know.
        
        Now a serious virus like ebola has a death rate in excess of 50% but this current virus is little more serious than the annual flu and after the event may prove to be even less virulent than thought.
        
        You can scare as many silly buggers as you want but as far as I am concerned this disease is a nuisance but less serious than the impact caused by the delays in treatment for the other illnesses than assail us.
        
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        August 27, 2020 11:13am
      - Aunty
        
        Yes, and I understand he is only in his 30s. I wish him well, but what an awful position to be in, fighting for his life at such a young age.
        
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        August 27, 2020 11:23am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Tony, every death is tragic, but figures need to be in context.
        
        So 180 per week get admitted for the flu. Dozens die every year who went into hospital for something else but picked up an infection or the flu and croaked it. We know how these people died, and how they got the infection or flu, but it makes no scrap of difference to the BKB. (Be Kind Brigade).
        
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        August 27, 2020 1:07pm
    - Notsofast
      
      Karl-Friedrich Bürrig, president of the union of professional pathologists:
      ”In more than three quarters of the patients, Covid-19 was the most important or the only cause of death. Comorbidities played a minor role.”
      Victims don’t die with but of the infection – Autopsy proof: In 86 percent of patients, Covid-19 is the direct cause of death.”
      
      Rodney Hide yesterday on this message board :
      ” If we couldn’t test for covid we wouldn’t even have noticed it.”
      
      I just can’t figure who to believe any more!
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:31am
      - fernglas
        
        I’d like to know where that came from, as most of the pathological opinion I have seen seems to say the opposite.
        
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        August 27, 2020 11:16am
      - Notsofast
        
        This is what I have from a Danish afficionado of Scandinavian covid
        
        “This one is very interesting!
        
        Quote:
        Karl-Friedrich Bürrig, Präsident des Pathologen-Berufsverbands: „Bei mehr als drei Vierteln der Patienten war Covid-19 die wesentliche oder alleinige Todesursache. Begleiterkrankungen spielten eher eine untergeordnete Rolle.“
        Opfer sterben nicht mit, sondern an Infektion – Autopsie-Beweis: Bei 86 Prozent der Patienten ist Covid-19 direkte Todesursache (Focus.de, Aug. 22, 2020)
        Karl-Friedrich Bürrig, president of the union of professional pathologists: ”In more than three quarters of the patients, Covid-19 was the most imporant or the only cause of death. Comorbidities played a minor role.”
        Victims don’t die with but of the infection – Autopsy proof: In 86 percent of patients, Covid-19 is the direct cause of death
        
        I don’t know how well the article Google translates into English.”
        
        The link I got
        
        https://www.focus.de/gesundheit/news/opfer-sterben-nicht-mit-sondern-an-infektion-autopsie-beweis-bei-86-prozent-der-patienten-ist-covid-19-direkte-todesursache_id_12358657.html
        
        eta click on right box, translation appears ok
        
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        August 27, 2020 12:13pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    She’s a really lovely looking girl as well Tony. Always looks immaculate herself. Although I personally wouldn’t want to eat a Spaghetti Bolognese in that jacket 😀
    
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    August 27, 2020 8:45am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Interestingly Maggie, I read somewhere she hates wearing skirts, and has a complete wardrobe of trouser suits.
      
      I’ve met Nicola a couple of times, and she is very down to earth and pleasant. My wife has met with her professionally, in relation to our industry, and has been similarly impressed.
      
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      August 27, 2020 8:48am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Tony bro – With National polling at 25% and likely to end up at that level on election night, how is Nicola going to enter parliament?
        
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        August 27, 2020 8:56am
- burt
  
  It’s Dr Redi.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:12am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    His surname is Reti.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Reti
    
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    August 27, 2020 10:53am
    - namron
      
      Tell jacinda, it’s NOT what she calls him!!
      
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      August 27, 2020 11:22am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Burt was using Jacindaspeak
      
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      August 27, 2020 11:35am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Apologies….
        
        I didn’t recognise Jacinda’s alveolar flap
        
        http://accenteraser.com/blog/the-5-types-of-t-sounds-in-american-english/
        
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        August 27, 2020 1:43pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Maybe that’s because he’s ready to become Minister of Health in October…
      
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      August 27, 2020 12:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Even WHO officials recognise that we have to live with Covid-19.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/coronavirus-senior-world-health-organization-official-praises-new-zealand-s-pandemic-response-but-suggests-goal-of-sweden-s-model.html

as quickly as possible, get the economy and social life moving again so that it is possible for people to realise that you can go about life, while having the virus in your midst and keep ahead of it.”

But he said now comes the difficult part where considerations need to be made to keep the economy going and to also restart school and social lives in a way that suits New Zealanders.
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August 27, 2020 8:05am
- Simon
  
  We all know how the Wuhan flu ends. Twyford will be placed in charge of quarantine and within six months NZ will have herd immunity.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:27am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Many a true word is spoken in jest.
    
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    August 27, 2020 8:49am
- Critical Thinker
  
  WHO: Global Pandemic is a Good Thing
  
  “We will not, we cannot go back to the way things were.
  In particular, the Covid-19 pandemic has given new impetus to the need to accelerate efforts to respond to climate change.
  The Covid-19 pandemic has given us a glimpse of our world as it could be: cleaner skies and rivers.” – WHO Director-General
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeTliWwDPOg
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:50am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    What a convenient turn of events. Probably just a coincidence. To the sceptics who are still holding out and thinking this is just all very bad luck, when do you accept that this is the result that was always sought?
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:42am
- Classic Liberal
  
  A bit vague. He doesn’t say ‘go for herd immunity’ but that people should basically live with voluntary restrictions to their lives so it doesn’t spread.
  
  So which is it: gradually let it spread and have herd immunity while trying (and probably sometimes failing) to protect the vulnerable, or just have a better whackamole system, like Taiwan?
  
  Even Sweden doesn’t admit it’s going for herd immunity, even if this Dr thinks that is actually what has happened https://www.google.com/amp/s/drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/08/07/how-bad-is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective/amp/
  
  “The media have been proclaiming that only a small percentage of the population have antibodies, and therefore it is impossible that herd immunity has developed. Well, if herd immunity hasn’t developed, where are all the sick people? Why has the rate of infection dropped so precipitously? Considering that most people in Sweden are leading their lives normally now, not socially distancing, not wearing masks, there should still be high rates of infection.
  
  The reason we test for antibodies is because it is easy and cheap. Antibodies are in fact not the body’s main defence against virus infections. T-cells are. But T-cells are harder to measure than antibodies, so we don’t really do it clinically. It is quite possible to have T-cells that are specific for covid and thereby make you immune to the disease, without having any antibodies.
  
  Personally, I think this is what has happened. Everybody who works in the emergency room where I work has had the antibody test. Very few actually have antibodies. This is in spite of being exposed to huge numbers of infected people, including at the beginning of the pandemic, before we realized how widespread COVID was, when no-one was wearing protective equipment.”
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:45am
Happychappy

Are Jacinda Ardern and Ashley Bloomfield hiding the facts about the latest rumors on COVID-19 and has a another group been found that are not linked to the current one.
Will they announce it today or wait until late Friday to confirm that what they call a minor hiccup could just be a major headache.
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August 27, 2020 8:06am
- Simon
  
  What National could have done was question quarantine. But they didn’t.
  
  What National should do now is question treatment.
  
  Internationally Trump has been proven right about treatment. But its not good enough for Labour to with hold treatment measures because Orange Man Bad.
  
  Hydroxychloroquine is widely used in Asia & parts of Europe quietly.
  
  National right now should be all over Labour on treatment. There is a lot of international information on handling Covid19.
  
  Labour will not be on top of treatment and National need to get ahead on this issue.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:37am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  yup my comment was along those lines too, theyll test the genome and claim its the same cluster but they dont know the link yet…
  
  sorta the same as they dont know the link that started this latest outbreak.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:42am
- Tony Stuart
  
  TVNZ reported last night that over 400 people regularly attend the Mt Roskill Evangelical Fellowship over the course of a weekend, so the potential for a real spike in Covid cases is there. Even worse, a wedding was held there on Friday 7th August, which was almost certainly attended by people from outside the church’s community.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:52am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Add in what Garner has been saying this morning. That is his son plays in a local Rugby League club that has members of the Congregation associated with it, and this thing has the potential to spike way beyond the control of Cindy and St Ash!
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:14am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Bloody churches have a lot to answer for. Close them down I say.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:20am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      Churches and meatworks are clearly needed to reach herd imunity tho
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:28am
- Happychappy
  
  This also must be a worry for Ashley Bloomfield and Jacinda Ardern.
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/25-08-2020/the-yellow-flag-case-that-shows-why-covid-19-remains-such-a-worry-in-auckland/
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:00am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Nothing about comorbidities in the article. So pretty meaningless.
    
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    August 27, 2020 11:39am
- gravedodger
  
  Please do not indulge in rumour Happy all to be revealed from the Podium of Truth, until then be good and wait patiently.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:16am
TWEEDSE

On the morning walk today I passed a field of sheep. First thought was New Zealand voters.

I used to read Cullen Sidekicks comments and disagree but not any more.

Sleep walking towards 3 years of hard labour and the chipping away at the human spirit.

I think I need to do some more walking.
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August 27, 2020 8:07am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  sad but most probably true
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:43am
godruelf

Well done the man in the Warriors shirt making his statement at Tarrant’s sentencing yesterday for not being as precious as Sonny Bill and leaving the Woodstock logo on his shoulder.
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August 27, 2020 8:07am
- Catgurl13
  
  Yes he was quite a character. Then there was the 3 guys shouting/ chanting away at Tarrant. I’m sure he loved that!!??
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:31am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  yup and loved the 2 hand middle finger salute at the end.
  its like a 3-4 day roast of tarrant, usually victim impact statements are viewed prior by judges and the victims are limited in scope and language they can use but it seems not in this case.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:46am
  - Phronesis
    
    Tarrant isn’t going to have much to do for the next few decades so I expect he will spend his time on legal challenges. He will probably start with breaches of his rights under the “United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment”. If he’s successful he may even be able to get his sentencing overturned.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:10am
- Nickc2
  
  I watched that person last tight and was reminded of another primitive practice we used to have. We (mankind) used to have the STOCKS whereby the guilty person was locked into a device showing only their faces and the peasants were encouraged to throw rotten fruit and vegetables at them. Rather like the Muslim version of stoning.
  I thought we had moved on from these barbaric practices. Obviously not, it’s now known as theatrical victim impact statements for the masses.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:49am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Well it is important to have a good show trial.
    
    Just to prove that “they are us”. If “us” was the sentencing of a Black Power member in front of a Mongrel Mob crowd. Or a baying mob.
    
    And, these are the bits that the “responsible media” ™ wants to show us.
    
    Seriously though, what was the Judge and the Attorney General thinking? This is supposed to be a sentencing hearing.
    
    Another disgraceful display from the best little country you can buy.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:12am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      https://www.newsroom.co.nz/terrorist-asked-who-is-the-other
      
      I’m sorry, but I still think that most Muslims are “not us.” Why do I think this? Because no matter how long they’ve been here, they still cling to their countries of origin:
      
      “Every journey is different. Qasem’s roots are in Palestine, having lived in New Zealand since she was five. A Kiwi and, equally so, a Middle Easterner.”
      
      This woman has been here since 5 years of age, and yet she still identifies as a Middle Easterner. This is the nub of the problem: they don’t fully assimilate, and maintaining, and being encouraged to have, split-loyalties does not make for a cohesive society.
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:50am
      - Komata
        
        TPG@0950
        
        Added to which is the koran’s mandate which states that that wherever a muslim walks automatically becomes ‘Muslim’ land and must be defended on that basis – to the death if necessary.
        
        ‘Colonialism’ is not a new concept, except that in this instance the ‘locals’ aren’t even aware that they are being subjugated…
        
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        August 27, 2020 10:45am
      - Batman
        
        If you bothered to talk to your local islamic community I think you’d probably find a lack of enthusiasm for that kind of ‘mandate’
        
        The same goes for stoning people in the bible, you’d be hard pressed to find supporters of that in the modern world.
        
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        August 27, 2020 10:50am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        What do you say about those folk who still referred to England as ‘home’ decades after they, and in many cases their parents and grandparents, emigrated to New Zealand?
        
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        August 27, 2020 11:00am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        mike
        Less of an issue as there is no comparison. When people did still refer to Britain as “home,” Britain and New Zealand were so socially and demographically analogous that it wasn’t an issue. It was consistent to do so.
        
        In contrast, the Middle East is neither socially or demographically comparable to New Zealand, which is why social cohesion is more likely to be undermined by maintaining a dual and inherently conflicting national identity.
        
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        August 27, 2020 12:13pm
      - Paulus
        
        Isn’t Gharaman the same as an Iranian passport with her Iranian overstayer ?
        Hypocrites.
        
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        August 27, 2020 1:59pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m not buying that. Colonists in NZ referred to Britain as ‘home’ precisely because they were in a far-off, very different country, one in which they expended a great deal of time and effort to make like the motherland.
        
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        August 27, 2020 2:08pm
    - godruelf
      
      What’s the bet the sentence will be Life without Parole today to keep the mob happy. Then quietly reduced to 40 years or so at the Court of Appeal.
      
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      August 27, 2020 10:51am
      - Phronesis
        
        But that will be after the election. There is no coincidence in the timing of this theatre.
        
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        August 27, 2020 11:33am
Scott

The various polls show that the Biden/Trump presidential race is tightening. Remember a lot can happen between now and November 3.

Powerline has a useful historical comparison showing that over the last 100 years only three times has the incumbent president been defeated while seeking a second term. Those presidents were Herbert Hoover in 1932, Jimmy Carter in 1980 and George Bush senior in 1992. Those presidents were ineffective in defending themselves and their records amidst a crisis and failed to meaningfully attack their challengers.

They all faced strong political opponents – FDR, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton respectively.

Does anyone seriously think Joe Biden’s name should be mentioned as in the same category as those three?

Also we know that Trump will defend himself. If the virus is burning out by next month, which it may well do and if the economy is starting to recover more, which it is showing signs of doing, then Trump will be able to run on his record. Remember prior to the virus the American economy was going very very well. Unemployment was very low and amongst black and Hispanic communities unemployment was at its lowest rate ever recorded.

It is far too soon to say that Biden has a lock on the 2020 election. This race is not over.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/a-field-theory-of-the-race.php
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August 27, 2020 8:08am
- Critical Thinker
  
  I’m not yet sure who’s winning here… ?
  
  Sure, the RNC has had powerful speeches from diverse patriotic Americans about the hopeful future of making America great… ?
  
  But the DNC had on a former President who spent time on Epstein Island with child sex slaves, and a “Criminal Reform Advocate” that brutally murdered an elderly man by starving him for 20 days, shoving a metal rod up his anus and squeezing his testicles with pliers… ?
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:34am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I agree with Scott. In addition the riots and the Dems not only not condemning them but blaming them on Trump will see voters who are reasonable and have a brain vote for him.
  
  I pity the Pollsters. Not only do they have the Dont Knows but as we saw in 2016 there is the voter who tells them they will vote Blue when they intend voting Red on the day.
  
  Very hard for the Pollsters to counter this.
  
  And as Scott says in time of crisis voters are reluctant to change horses in mid stream. The same will happen here.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:18am
- gravedodger
  
  You have to go back to that Herbert Hoover to locate the last POTUS who did not start a bloody war, is that an omen or a portent for Donald Trump?
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:20am
- kloyd0306
  
  Hoover lost due to the stock market crash and depression. Voters needed something different.
  
  Bush 41 was, in effect Reagan’s third term. Since Presidents were restricted to two terms, no party other than the Republicans, have managed three successive White House occupations.
  
  Plus, Bill Clinton was not a strong opponent. He got only 41% of the vote due to Ross Perot’s carving up the votes that would have gone to Bush (who was weak and not a patch on Reagan).
  
  That leaves Carter, who was even weaker when it came to foreign policy. Since Carter it has been fun to compare who is worse than Carter. Obama, the do-nothing, black Jesus, qualifies.
  
  The US economy is improving quickly. That is key. When people have money in their pocket, they usually stick with the status quo.
  
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  August 27, 2020 1:27pm
wimpston peeeders

So a black dude in the states clearly had no intention on listening to the cops, if a cop says “drop the knife” and “stop or ill shoot” and then the dude proceeds to reach into his car for something then id say youve gotta expect to get shot dont you?
the video you can clearly see an item in his left hand when hes walking around the front of the car, wether its a knife is too hard to tell but eyewitness and the dude that recorded told then news crews he had nothing in his hands yet the footage says otherwise.

7 shots was excessive I agree but did the “protestors” really have to go burning innocent businesses to the ground over it?

the body cam footage will be interesting but all these incidents that trigger riots lately have a common theme and its not the cops but the fact the idiots resist arrest and bring it on themselves.
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August 27, 2020 8:09am
- Inandout
  
  wp, just an excuse to riot, but the catalyst must be black it is written.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:26am
- CJames
  
  If one reads the American commentators, both the State Governor and DA have refused to say if he had a gun in the car or on his person. He may also have had a knife in his left hand. The man also has convictions for domestic violence and use of weapons. There is a lot about this case people aren’t being told.
  It doesn’t mean that the cops aren’t trigger happy racists, but people should get a lot more information than they currently are.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:29am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    Even the dude that filmed the footage said the cops were yelling “drop the knife” just prior to him storming off to the car.
    
    takes some balls or sweet drugs to do that with a gun pointed at you the whole time.
    
    the dude apparently has outstanding charges for sex crimes and domestic abuse aswell.
    
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    August 27, 2020 8:50am
    - alloytoo
      
      A saint by any other name.
      
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      August 27, 2020 10:24am
  - kowtow
    
    The cops are not trigger happy racists.
    
    A commentator has said it’s data driven.
    
    Police turn up , like they did in this case on foot of a report or incident (this one was a domestic , who put in the call ?) .
    
    As it happens in a hugely disproportionate number of these incidents the subject of the call is a black man .I’d guess the callers are also black , victim of the initial incident / crime ( if it’s a domestic)
    
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    August 27, 2020 8:51am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      Defund the police!!!
      Shit 2 black girls arguing quick call the police!
      
      Thats how retarded the whole thing is, they hate the police yet call 911 at the most mundane things.
      
      Anyone else find it weird how quick antifa got there? they mustve been on a bus ready to roll as they arrived a few hours later from other states. Soros must be paying them to be on call now.
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:07am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Many US cops are actually black.
      
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      August 27, 2020 10:01am
      - Batman
        
        I wouldn’t personally classify 12.8% as “many” when 65% are white.
        
        “Police officers | Data USA” https://datausa.io/profile/soc/police-officers
        
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        August 27, 2020 10:27am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        That proportion (12.8%) of black police officers is roughly equivalent to their overall population (14.6%):
        
        https://blackdemographics.com/
        
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        August 27, 2020 10:43am
      - Batman
        
        And yet black people in America are shot by police at roughly four times the rate of white people.
        
        So, the clear answer is that policing needs reform to tackle a bias.
        
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        August 27, 2020 10:45am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Nothing to to with committing more crimes,eh…
        
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        August 27, 2020 11:42am
      - Phronesis
        
        Of course Police shoot male suspects at roughly a thousand times the rate they shoot female suspects. So clearly they are absurdly sexist and we should probably deal with that first.
        
        AFAIK the NZ Police have never shot and killed a female suspect in NZ so they have shot infinitely more males and are therefore infinitely sexist.
        
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        August 27, 2020 11:43am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Batman
        “And yet black people in America are shot by police at roughly four times the rate of white people”
        
        This is because they are more likely to commit, and be caught committing, crimes. I’ll let the stats speak for themselves, as a couple of my comments today have fallen afoul of the moderators for saying exactly what the stats say. All of the source documents are linked from this page:
        
        (See particularly Homicide, Assault and Robbery)
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Crime_statistics
        
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        August 27, 2020 12:22pm
      - kloyd0306
        
        Batman sees only skin colour.
        Intelligent folk see crimes being committed.
        
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        August 27, 2020 1:32pm
      - Batman
        
        Sigh, you guys have really let the hoods slip off today. Classy.
        
        Black and brown people are shot and jailed at disproportionately high rates, compared to white people. That is after you factor in offending rates and population.
        
        Sadly you only see what you want to believe, which is a racist characterisation of entire groups of people.
        
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        August 27, 2020 1:39pm
      - kloyd0306
        
        To even things up (and keep Batman happy), white people need to commit more crimes.
        
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        August 27, 2020 8:30pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    A fine example of the facts being secondary to the emotion and showmanship would be the OJ Simpson case. We’ve just finished watching The People v OJ Simpson. Dear God, what a joke that whole case was. You feel for the Brown/Goldstein family… bloody sad.
    
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    August 27, 2020 1:30pm
- Wired-one
  
  Its astounding how stupid some in America are. Just follow law enforcement officers instructions, dont walk or run away from them and never struggle against them or go back to your car to grab something. This shooting had nothing to do with race and was in my opinion completely justified. But as per normal idiots will use it as an excuse for rioting, looting and trying to divide along racial lines. Good to see some sensible people starting to wake up to this reality now.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:39am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Are the police in that state in the US trained to unload their magazine contents into the body of the target?
  Or is the policy for “just one shot”?
  You would have to read the police operations manual.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:54am
  - cmm
    
    They are trained to shoot until the threat is neutralised. That might take one or it might take twenty.
    
    A single round is extremely unlikely to neutralise a person who might have a firearm on them.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:01am
    - kowtow
      
      Or high on a cocktail of stimlant narcotics.
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:31am
- RF
  
  7 shots appear to be excessive.
  
  Several years ago in Florida the Police shot an offender who had just killed a Sheriffs dog handler and his dog.
  
  At the inquest the Police chief was asked to explain why the offender was shot more than 30 times. His answer was that they had run out of bullets.
  
  Good answer.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:55am
- cmm
  
  Why is 7 shots excessive?
  
  People who say that or “shoot him in the leg” generally have zero understanding of firearms and their use.
  
  A wound does not stop a person from shooting.
  
  There are numerous instances of people taking tens of bullets to the torso and still being able to shoot back and even kill people (especially those hopped up on drugs) .
  
  Nor should a cop wait until someone points a gun at them. By then it is too late.
  
  Here’s the deal: comply. If you continue with dodgy looking activity then you get shot. Pretty simple.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:58am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    point blank firing into torso area id say 7 was excessive, it may be justified but it looks terrible to those watching and is most likely a good part of the reasons theyve rioted again.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:10am
    - cmm
      
      Done this before have you? Is that your expert opinion that 7 shots is excessive?
      
      Of course it looks terrible. It is terrible. Cops don’t like shooting people, but it is often the only choice left.
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:50am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    We have all seen the video.
    
    What threat was the person posing? Have the police said he was grabbing for a gun in the car? Is there any credible evidence to support that? Like finding a gun in the glovebox?
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:20am
    - Ed Snack
      
      He was carrying a knife, he has a known history of violence and gun use, he was reaching into his car where he *could* have had a gun stored. The police had been summoned because of the man’s threatening behaviour, and he had outstanding arrest warrants for violent offences; plus he refused to obey legitimate police instructions.
      
      What do you suggest Wayne, the police wait until they get shot before shooting back ? Might be hard to recruit anyone with a functioning brain to be a police officer under those sorts of rules.
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:38am
    - cmm
      
      What a ridiculous thing to say.
      
      How do you expect someone to first establish beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person had a firearm before shooting?
      
      Someone with their back to you can bring a gun to bear and shoot within a fraction of a second. That is way less time than the cop can respond in.
      
      It astounds me that you once had oversight over people carrying things that go bang.
      
      What did you tell troops? First make sure the enemy have actually got rounds in their AKs before shooting?
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:56am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        No-one said establish beyond a reasonable doubt. But it surely has to be more than a mere suspicion. The officer doing the shooting has to show some credible evidence, beyond a past history of violence, that the offender posed a life threat, or at least a serious threat of dangerous violence before shooting at that point of time. The key point being was he displaying an actual threat of serious violence at the time of the actual shooting. Otherwise anyone with a history of violence is forever fair game, which is obviously a ludicrous proposition.
        
        For instance did they see the knife, was he getting the knife out? Just finding a knife on him after the event is not enough.
        
        Fortunately in New Zealand the police never shoot unless the offender gets to the point of presenting a weapon in such a way that the officer is in actual fear of violence being imminent. So if there is a standoff and the offender draws out a knife but is several meters away they are not shot. They would be if it is a gun.
        
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        August 27, 2020 10:47am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      [Mod: more racially biased assumption. Deleted.]
      
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      August 27, 2020 10:27am
- gravedodger
  
  What might be the stress levels for the frontline police after the BLM destruction, looting, assaults, confronted all to often by those who would do what we are mostly grateful we do not have to do.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:23am
- BeeJay
  
  I can’t believe that there are people on this blog who think that shooting a man in the BACK 7 times is ok. The fact that the police did this simply highlights that they are gutless bastards, afraid to stop a guy who has got “something in his hand”. They can’t come from behind the guy and grab him? They didn’t want to get close to the guy because they were shit scared! There is absolutely no doubt that if the guy was white, he would not have been shot at all! And anyone who thinks it’s ok for police anywhere to empty their guns into a black man because they want him to stop, need their heads read!
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:48am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Stop committing crimes if you don’t want to get shot by the cops. How hard is that?
    
    These guys, almost without exception, always turn out to be career criminals whose luck ran out.
    
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    August 27, 2020 10:20am
    - BeeJay
      
      Interesting that Mod deleted your earlier response, seems to speak for itself!
      
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      August 27, 2020 10:42am
  - gravedodger
    
    Why dont you ask Matthew Hunt how he feels about an unarmed police officer being shot during a traffic stop.
    Oh thats right Matt gave his life and still cant discuss it.
    Walk a few nights in a police officer’s shoes then come back and rant
    
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    August 27, 2020 12:20pm
- C J Southern
  
  Apparantly those police don’t wear body cams – but they do wear body microphones.
  
  One scenario is that they may have called “drop the (nonexistant) knife” for the benefit of the audio record – not realising that they were being filmed.
  
  Another scenario is that the dude had a knife and presented a threat.
  
  I think that it’s right and proper that the incident be investigated thoroughly. If it turns out that police actions were justified then so be it. If it turns out that police actions weren’t justified then it’s only right that there are consequences.
  
  Roiting before the results of any investigation is known is stupid – and is agenda driven.
  
  Of course the “A grade” solution was simply for the gentleman to not be an egg and just comply with police instructions.
  
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  August 27, 2020 10:08am
  - Batman
    
    He didn’t need to be shot SEVEN times in the back. In. The. Back.
    
    If that happened here there would be an outcry.
    
    Where was the pepper spray? About about a taser? Nope, straight for the deadly force…
    
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    August 27, 2020 10:22am
    - IC5000
      
      These guys don’t look like they were trained very well losing control of the suspect. 7 shots shots like they panicked.
      
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      August 27, 2020 10:55am
      - Batman
        
        Subconscious racism and fear of ‘others’ leads to panic and actions like this.
        
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        August 27, 2020 10:57am
      - IC5000
        
        Was just looking at the Daily Mail when a story popped saying a 17 yo has been charged with the shooting deaths of 2 BLM protestors. It’s all on video as well. Sad times for all involved.
        
        Obviously we will see the Zimmerman defence being used to justify the shooting.
        
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        August 27, 2020 12:50pm
    - cmm
      
      A person with their back to you can very easily conceal a firearm and bring it to bear on you without you seeing.
      
      As for pepper spray it is highly ineffective on these situations and drugged up people.
      
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      August 27, 2020 11:00am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  [Mod: generalising entire ethnic groups is a racist trope and against the rules of the blog. That’s multiple comments today so learn to be more considered or you’ll be on a long ban.]
  
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  August 27, 2020 10:13am
  - IC5000
    
    He’ll never learn. Raced based assumptions are a core principle of his ideology. He just gets carried away whenever the discussion turns to blacks and let’s the mask slip.
    
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    August 27, 2020 10:58am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Yes, not good by tpg.
      
      But I’m hearing race based assumptions and claims every day on red radio. Is it Ok when it comes from the Left identity politics side?
      
      I was hoping we’d be over all this by now and see people as individuals. Now I know many groups don’t want that and that it will never happen in my lifetime.
      
      Because some people want to live under identity politics.
      
      And btw, moderators, if on KB we’re still trying to apply the principle that all have equal rights and people should be treated as individuals, I’m afraid we’re seen as racists now. We’re pushing shit uphill with a stick.
      
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      August 27, 2020 11:49am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Classic
        Since the controversy has been raised, I will say this in my defence:
        
        I would prefer to not “live under identity politics,” but I may also prefer to not live under the influence of gravity – but I must, because that is the reality. Look around you: race and identity generally are our political present and our future, so get used to it. There is no point behaving like race and identity are a phenomenon only found in universities and abstract political discourse, because soon, they will be an unavoidable feature of all of our lives in a very personal way.
        
        I wish it was different, but it isn’t. I look at the facts as presented to me, determine patterns from those facts, and base my stance upon these factors.
        
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        August 27, 2020 12:43pm
      - IC5000
        
        > But I’m hearing race based assumptions and claims every day on red radio.
        
        Are they calling for a seperate ethnic homeland, the forcible deportation of non- and the sterilisation of mixed race people?
        
        It’s been a while since I listened to radio NZ so it sounds like the programming has changed.
        
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        August 27, 2020 4:39pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Crime_statistics
      
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      August 27, 2020 12:23pm
Catgurl13

I really don’t believe these Labour Muppets when they say they don’t know the origin of the new infections or the beginning of a new cluster. They just don’t want to reveal it’s come in through the border. Easier say they just don’t know?. We now have that new so called mini cluster in Mt Roskill Evangelical Church starting…..OMFG!!!….3 church services and 1 wedding there attended by a positive case….how many infected people is going to be???
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August 27, 2020 8:10am
- amospicton
  
  I think that’s what’s most annoying. They made mistakes at the border. If they had admitted that, apologised and promised to do better I think they’d have been forgiven. It’s the spin, justification, obfuscation and lies that are beyond the pale.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:28am
- Nickc2
  
  and they don’t want to offend those churchgoers, they all do as they are told and vote Labour, even the illegal immigrants.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:05am
- MCos
  
  It’s the Health Dept, not the Labour Party that investigates the origin of the infection.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:39am
Catgurl13

Funny that 2011 movie “Contagion” was on telly last weekend…….
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August 27, 2020 8:14am
- Maggie Pie
  
  No surprise there Cats – its been on SKY eight times as well.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:29am
Cinematic

Horizon Poll. The rot has set in. Small business decline is the tip of the ice berg.

And hands up who doesn’t find the structure of the Trust question absurd?
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August 27, 2020 8:14am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The key takeaway from the Horizon poll is this:
  
  Yet beyond the headline leadership figures, the Government’s standing in the small business community has crashed and overall trust in the response has fallen somewhat. The survey showed that trust among business proprietors and the self-employed in the Government has tanked from 71 per cent in mid-July to 49 per cent in late August.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:59am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    any links?
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:10am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300092282/election-2020-public-still-backing-government-and-jacinda-ardern-despite-second-outbreak-new-poll-shows
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:19am
      - wimpston peeeders
        
        good spin. so only 30% totally trust the govt, I thought by other comments in GD it was a political poll and labour were sky high still. the “mostly trust” can be written off as many people mostly trust used car salesmen and loan shark type people too.
        
        thinking someones a good leader and actually voting for them are 2 different things.
        
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        August 27, 2020 9:38am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        The Horizon poll is partly compiled from a self-selected panel who give their opinions. I wouldn’t read too m uch into it.
        
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        August 27, 2020 9:40am
  - bruceavon
    
    Maybe. I can’t get past the fact that support for Ardern hasn’t taken a beating. Surely they will be closer now in the main polls.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:33am
    - Centrist
      
      Labour must have lost votes and some of those to National/Act. Unfortunately some more votes have probably also gone to the Greens to keep them over 5%. It is vitally important that the Greens miss the threshold on election day (can’t see Swarbrick winning Auck Central).
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:58am
      - Nickc2
        
        That’s what really pisses me off. If Swarbrick loses the seat in which she is standing, they (the Greens) will still bring her back as a list MP if they get in. Bloody unelectable swill! She wants to [Mod: don’t defame people, it puts the blog at risk.]
        
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        August 27, 2020 10:50am
      - bruceavon
        
        Swarbrick has zero chance in Auckland Central. All she is doing is splitting the vote more than the last Green person so Emma Mellow can swan in. I am hoping National in the next poll have taken a good 10% directly off Labour and then it will be game on. I have always thought a second lockdown was our only chance. I happened, but then nothing seemed to change. But a lot of people are getting unhappy now. But who knows. If all of this stuff hasn’t damaged Ardern, nothing will.
        
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        August 27, 2020 11:00am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Definitely not. Wait for the next poll. Labour will be still flying high. Sheeple are blind.
      
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      August 27, 2020 10:16am
      - Ralph
        
        “I wouldn’t read too m uch into it”
        
        Why post it then?
        
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        August 27, 2020 10:55am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Still 49% of the clowns believe in Labour and Cindy. So time for them to crash and burn.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:38am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Tony, the poll is a strange poll with loaded questions aimed at showing maximum support for the CoL.
    
    For example, it didn’t say where respondents live. If it was Auckland, I can guarantee you, trust in govt decision making is going the wrong way, suggesting high end wage earners support the CoL is misleading as the demographic they selected have a significant proportion of bureaucrats (both Central & Local govt in their midst). I could guarantee you if you polled that group at Auckland Council, AT, Panuku or Watercare, they would have revealed high levels of support. The past 6 months has all been about looking after Labour’s support base.
    
    You know how bent the system is when you get your managers telling you to support Auckland Council’s 3.5% rate rise. They all earn $150k plus, meanwhile many immediate staff below took salary haircuts to protect jobs, and we do not support the CoL and their largesse.
    
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    August 27, 2020 2:02pm
- DeepBlue
  
  If you look at the second bar chart in Stuff it shows August to left of July (false presentation). It looks like Jacinda’s trust has increased rather than decreased. Fakers
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:57am
I remember when

How well has New Zealand done with its control of covid-19?
Are we really a world leader in containing covid-19?
The answer is yes but….
The island nations of the Asian/Pacific region appear to have some advantages, with regards to keeping death rates low.
Examples (many with far greater populations and density) are:-
Taiwan 0.3 per million, Papua New Guinea 0.4 pm, Sri Lanka 0.6 pm, Fiji 1 pm, New Zealand 4 pm, Singapore 5 pm, Madagascar 6 pm, Mauritius 8 pm, Japan 9 pm, Australia 21 pm, Indonesia 24 pm, Phillipines 28 pm.
Also note that many of these countries are closer to China, so may have been more likely to be exposed.
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August 27, 2020 8:16am
- cmm
  
  We are also a world leader in preventing snake bites and monsoons.
  
  It would be idiotic for anyone to think the NZ success (so far) has anything to do with world leadership.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:51am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Countries in close proximity with China that have achieved less deaths with COVID-19 per million than NZ:
  
  NZ: 4
  China: 3
  Thailand: 0.8
  Vietnam: 0.3
  Taiwan: 0.3
  Myanmar: 0.1
  Mongolia: 0
  Cambodia: 0
  Laos: 0
  
  What could be the reasons that our nation is doing worse than many other countries?
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:15am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Mostly these are third world countries. How reliable is their testing and recording?
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:22am
    - MCos
      
      In Thailand nobody hugs, kisses, shakes hands . . . .
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:42am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Have you been to Taiwan, Wayne?
      
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      August 27, 2020 11:06am
      - Ralph
        
        Taiwan a third world country?
        
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        August 27, 2020 12:23pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        That is why I said “mostly”. Having been there, Taiwan is certainly not a third world country.
        
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        August 27, 2020 2:50pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      I’d dare to suggest much better than our testing especially with the crack team of squealer, megs, diggers and St Ash at the helm. The last 2 weeks suggest I’m right.
      
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      August 27, 2020 11:57am
  - mark15
    
    Jacinda Ardern.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:29am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    cindy, or not enough asian population?
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:42am
  - Centrist
    
    North Korea is on zero and borders China. Everyone there is happy and free. It is the best country on the planet. Jacinda is doing well so hopefully our Dear Leader can make us more like NK.
    
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    August 27, 2020 10:01am
  - IC5000
    
    > Cambodia
    
    Tens of thousands of Chinese left Cambodia in October and November when the govnt cracked down on online gambling so they dodged a bullet. Traffic was one way back to China.
    
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    August 27, 2020 11:17am
Frank the tank

Question time has been telling this week – and even if Collins loses badly she needs to be retained as leader. To summarise:
1) Doesn’t get distracted by the Duck like Simon did
2) No ‘waffle’ questions – straight to the point
3) Gets Cindy on the back foot. None of these short, glib answers she used to give to Bridges.
4) Explaining is losing – Cindy does a lot of explaining
5) This has Tywford seal clubbing all over it. Like with Twyford this is a long game. The only shame is we don’t have another month of this because Collins is warming into this.

Question time is fun to watch again
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August 27, 2020 8:17am
- JackRabbit
  
  Excellent points Frank.
  
  The persona in the above points can be explained by this youtube video. If it is still up!
  
  https://youtu.be/Gm820ij-SC8
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:18am
- DeepBlue
  
  There is a very good chance Act will achieve 5-7% in 2020. If Judith can push National back to 35-40% there is no reason why she should be rolled.
  
  She is proving to be an excellent leader of the opposition and doing a fabulous job bringing ‘Team’ back to National MPs.
  
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  August 27, 2020 10:03am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Just a pity that the vast majority of the voting population do not see this and probably do not care.
  
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  August 27, 2020 10:32am
Yvette

Considering the vast range of comments by the Christchurch mosque terrorist Tarrant’s victims and the remarks of relatives and friends speaking on behalf of those who died – facilitated to do so by considerable travel arrangements, accomodation, security and other immense expense to the Justice Department – I would have been indeed interested, had he got around to it, to see how Justice Minister Andrew Little would have defined “hate speech”, in any new proposed law.
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August 27, 2020 8:21am
- IC5000
  
  > I would have been indeed interested, had he got around to it, to see how Justice Minister Andrew Little would have defined “hate speech”, in any new proposed law?
  
  Why? Would you like to see people who had their relatives violently killed or been shot, maimed and crippled being prosecuted?
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:21am
  - Yvette
    
    IC5000 – Why? Would you like to see people who had their relatives violently killed or been shot, maimed and crippled being prosecuted?
    
    No, definitely not. You miss the point completely – which is, how do you define hate speech to accomodate comments made in the last two days in court and apparently acceptable there, and other hate speech which Andrew Little objects to and says he will legislate against.
    
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    August 27, 2020 1:06pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I haven’t followed the victims’ statement closely, but how many of them would you say contained slurs against the offender’s ethnicity, sex, gender identity, religion or disability?
      
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      August 27, 2020 2:16pm
      - IC5000
        
        He is actually quite short. If one of the victims made reference to his height in a derogatory way this may be sufficient for Yvette to make a complaint to the police.
        
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        August 27, 2020 3:22pm
Maggie Pie

It was very pleasing to see where a run house in Mt Roskill sold at auction to a developer for $1.2m above its CV. This will ultimately result in dramatic Rate increases in areas like that, and make things a bit more equitable for residents in the more desirable suburbs, who are far less likely to rely on council services.

Just saying.
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August 27, 2020 8:22am
tedbear

Another BIG question is why did our govt not follow the WHO’s own advice on Pandemics?
https://nzissues.com/Community/attachments/who-advice-jpg.8219/

Looks like they pick and choose and do whatever suits their agenda.
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August 27, 2020 8:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

Labour, especially Hipkins and Woods seem confused about the Sewer layout of Auckland.

They seem to have muddled up which line the Jet Park Hotel is connected to….

Deliberate obfuscation at Question time this week?

Question No. 8 to Minister, 25 August
Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National): I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I raise this now because of the relatively short time that the Parliament has to run before we adjourn again, and because I think it possibly is a mistake that’s just been inadvertently made. In question No. 8 yesterday, the Minister, the Hon Dr Megan Woods, speaking about the Institute of Environmental Science and Research testing, referred to the Southern Interceptor. In written question No. 15360, the Hon Chris Hipkins referred to the Southern Interceptor. But in questions today, the verge point appears to be with the South Western Interceptor, which is quite a different matter, and a different line of questioning could have been pursued. So I’m really wondering: is that a mistake or is it a new piece of information?

SPEAKER: It is an unusual approach—not one that I’d normally allow—but because of the relatively short time and the importance which the members clearly place on this, I’m asking between the Minister who answered the question yesterday and the Minister who answered the question today for a response to clarify that—if the member’s able to, otherwise it can be done next week.

Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Research, Science and Innovation): I will send the member a written response to that this afternoon.
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August 27, 2020 8:28am
- alex Masterley
  
  I suspect that the testing being undertaken by the IES is throwing up a number of nasty little surprisesa dn the authorities are scrambling a bit.
  Its probably showing a drop in meth use and an uptick in cannabis use as well.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:54am
- amospicton
  
  The critical thing here is when were the government advised of the presence of covid in the sewer. If, as seems likely, it was prior to the recent outbreak that would confirm the suspicion of many that they knew something was wrong and that an outbreak was coming. It would also confirm that this government is something less than open and transparent.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Woods told Parliament on Tuesday that the first positive waste-water results were in early July
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansD_20200825_20200825
    
    But she also said that these results were from the
    the Southern Interceptor, where waste water from the Jet Park Hotel mixes with waste water from 100,000 households
    
    But now it appears that if the Jet Park Hotel waste water feeds into the South-Western Interceptor, then the positive results back in July may have nothing to do with Jet Park and quarantined folk.
    
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    August 27, 2020 11:17am
emmess

The toxicology proves George Floyd died of an OD
https://spectator.org/minnesota-v-derek-chauvin-et-al-the-prosecutions-dirty-little-secret/

Will BLM/Antifa apologise for all the damage done by their ‘peaceful protests’?
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August 27, 2020 8:32am
- kowtow
  
  Not to mention the Media Pardy.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:44am
- tf78
  
  Floyd’s death was highlighted for “the cause”, not because of his colour.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:38am
- Ralph
  
  emmess, let the official medical examiner have the final say,
  
  Hennepin County Medical Examiner declares George Floyd death homicide
  
  https://www.fox9.com/news/hennepin-county-medical-examiner-declares-george-floyd-death-homicide
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:06am
- fernglas
  
  No it doesn’t. The report to which you refer says that if he had been found dead at home with no other surrounding circumstances, the conclusion would have been that he died of an overdose. That is because there would have been no other apparent cause of death, whereas here there was visual and pathological evidence to confirm the conclusion that pressure had been applied to his neck. The autopsies have concluded that the pressure caused his death It may have been that the presence of drugs contributed, but that is no different legally from someone suffering from a pre-existing condition who died from force that would not have killed the avarage healthy person. Here, it should operate to bring murder down to manslaughter as any drug induced weakness would not necessarily have been apparent to the officer, so it impacts on his foresight of the consequences of the application of force.
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:44am
Maggie Pie

Actually watched a bit of Question-Time yesterday.
Looked to me like Robbo had been into the Just For Men.
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August 27, 2020 8:32am
- oldfella
  
  Robbo into Just For Men? I thought he was, already.
  
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  August 27, 2020 10:18am
CJames

According to this map, the South Western and Southern Interceptors are independent lines all the way to Mangere
http://joelcayford.blogspot.com/2013/08/watercare-central-interceptor-oral.html
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August 27, 2020 8:35am
- DeepBlue
  
  Woods was waving her own map around in the house, offering for Gerry to have a look. I’m sure he will have.
  
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  August 27, 2020 10:07am
Critical Thinker

Hillary Clinton Encourages Democrats to Steal the 2020 Election

“We’ve got to have a massive legal operation, I know the Biden campaign is working on that… Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances… And eventually I do believe he will win if we don’t give an inch.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUNe-kPnyo0

Thank God the insanely evil and corrupt Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 election. The world certainly dodged a few dozen nukes there ?

#TREASON
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August 27, 2020 8:36am
- jaysper
  
  Trump is a narcissistic mental case, but then so is Hillary plus she is a total war monger to boot.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:02am
- Nickc2
  
  She should be wearing an orange jump-suit and connected bracelets.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:30am
- Ralph
  
  Provide some context please. As far as I’m aware HIllary Clinton is not suggesting rigging ther ballot.
  
  That is a Trump and GOP fantasy!
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:09am
  - Batman
    
    “massive legal operation”
    
    It’s just that critical thinker doesn’t actually think, they just don’t like the idea of other people winning legally. Only his side is allowed, whether via suppression or procedural fuckery.
    
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    August 27, 2020 11:20am
Scooter

Is Jacinda having to wear an earpiece so when light shines in one ear it doesn’t come out the other?
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August 27, 2020 8:42am
- Tricati
  
  Its obvious in all their stand-up briefings that they have their spin doctors handy – Watch them look to the side when a difficult question is asked, then they answer.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:11am
  - Dougal10
    
    Its because the person on the puppet strings is too busy to be the ventriloquist as well so someone a little further away provides the voice via earpiece .
    
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    August 27, 2020 1:58pm
    - GJM
      
      “Hey Clint…”
      
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      September 3, 2020 7:49am
- Vallager
  
  It’s so she can keep listening to the Mike Hosking show
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:29am
Wired-one

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12359877

If only more kiwis would wake up to this ineptitude and incompetence. We havent managed this well, weve been lucky.
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August 27, 2020 8:45am
oldpark

The sentencing of the Australian gunman in an NZ Court. Since Monday the scene in the peaceful Courthouse was Special and quiet for the victims relatives .They spoke their truth and sadness in a quiet manner . In fact one sad tear stained relative even granted forgiveness to the mass Murderer. While another memorable grandfather recited a verse of the Q’uaran very very sad and emotional .
Yesterday the rules same to change in that NZ Court . It became an Amphitheatre of hate and verbal threats towards the Australian gunman.
Yes many loud and aggressive persons their comments completely bitter as they attacked the Participation Trophy .
That type of action I think has done no Justice for what should never have happened in a NZ Courthouse. In fact it turned the whole scenario into the type of Verbal and Life Threatening Behaviour never seen in a NZ Courthouse .
Maybe the huge amount of taxpayer funded friends and relatives into NZ for the sentencing of the Australian Gunman was a bridge too far .
After the performance yesterday of many of the invitees into NZ and their threats in a NZ Courthouse to the Participation Trophy. Peace Loving NZs are appalled. Nuff Said.
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August 27, 2020 8:45am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Remember Comrade, “they are us”.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:16am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    They are among us.
    
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    August 27, 2020 10:14am
- cmm
  
  Quite right.
  
  While I would personally not shed a tear if Tarrant had been shot on the day or if he “slips in the shower”, what has been going on in the courts is very disturbing.
  
  The courts are supposed to be above any form of mob justice, but we’re seeing elements of that emerging.
  
  The court is allowing people to abuse the prisoner (or whatever the hell he is now). People are giving middle-fingers from the podium.
  
  The cultures most of the victims come from are very heavy on mob justice (public executions and beatings etc), but that does not mean they should be tolerated in a NZ court of law.
  
  Yesterday they had someone lauded as a hero with a round of clapping and cheering.
  
  Public theatre or court of law? Hard to tell.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:18am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Show some tolerance. Fifty one people were killed. It is hardly surprising people would applaud a hero who tried to take the killer on.
    
    Like most people, I saw the victim statements on TV. Yes, emotions are high, but to suggest that it is anything like mob justice is absurd.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:28am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      to be fair tho any other court case the judge heavily moderates the victim statements and dictates what they can and cannot say.
      
      why have the muslim ppl been cut slack? Im sure other murder victims families would have loved to speak their true thoughts and feelings at sentencing.
      This case exceptions have been made which leads to inconsistancy in court rooms, its even worse if they made the exception based on race and religion.
      
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      August 27, 2020 9:52am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      WM “ Show some tolerance.” Have you always sounded like a kindy teacher or are you under the influence on Jacinda?
      
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      August 27, 2020 12:49pm
      - Frank the tank
        
        There are some former National MPs that would happily be part of the current government. I’m surprised you aren’t surprised.
        
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        August 27, 2020 6:05pm
  - The Housekeeper
    
    Should have just given them each a bucket of stones
    
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    August 27, 2020 11:42am
- Notsofast
  
  I heard the bit where Allahu Akbar was shouted three times.
  This was not good for the “they are us” concept, in fact I hope they keep replaying it to show how close to the surface that religion can engender slavish and thoughtless devotion … [Del. Mod.].
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:22am
  - RJ
    
    And what is wrong with them saying that? People quite often mention god in courts. Someone saying god is greater is not slavish and thoughtless devotion any more than someone saying amen or god bless
    
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    August 27, 2020 12:15pm
- Gertie
  
  I will not judge those that show their fury to the murderer of their family member. It is likely I would show my fury in similar circumstance. Showing your true feelings is not a problem, other than to those that dont want to face the true nature of evil doers in our society.
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:27am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I was impressed to see a tweet from a friend of mine, who is most certainly not a supporter of the current government. He said this:
    
    I know I was admonishing this Government for the money they spent bringing victims and family to the Tarrant sentencing, but I’m glad these people are able to face this scumbag and address him face to face. I know the pain will always be there for them, but hope this move helps.
    
    I think this person makes an excellent point, and I do not begrudge a relatively modest sum being spent to enable these people to confront Tarrant, and hopefully move in in their respective journey towards healing.
    
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    August 27, 2020 12:53pm
niggly

Just back briefly to that issue of social distancing on public transport yesterday (sorry I can’t respond during the day when at work until later in the night etc), Stuff had a well written article on it yesterday.

It confirmed my observations that social distancing on buses was not compulsory – in fact some drivers had to make their own decisions as to whether to enforce it or not – anyway that’s all moot as from next week masks and social distancing will become compulsory as we know under level 2.

However what angers me about all this is that Grant Robertson was asked a day or two ago about lifting social distancing on passenger aircraft because passengers have been wearing masks all this time anyway.

Robbo brushed off answering this by saying that’s a matter for the Health Minister. I say BS – Robbo is in essence leading Labour’s decision making (with Ardern fronting it).

So Robbo chooses again to deflect. Meanwhile Jetstar and AirNZ and others, plus related tourism and service industries are hemorrhaging jobs and income as a result of CoL inaction.

Dr Michael Baker has stated for a long time that if people wears masks on public transport then there is no need for social distancing. And he is someone that the government listens to!

So why is Labour so hopeless at ensuring the economic damage (from Covid) is minimised? Do they care? Why is it that National would be sorting these issues but Labour can’t (or has to form a working party)?

As a former Labour voter I hope these idiots are turfed out come the election – they are not fit to govern!
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August 27, 2020 8:46am
- Notsofast
  
  Ashley Bloomfield was the authoritative handbrake on masks for months. Get rid of him. He makes the watercare dude look competent.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:37am
- Ed Snack
  
  Masks don’t work, they’re a pointless virtue signalling device to make you FEEL like you’re doing something. So why mandate something that actually doesn’t work ?
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:45am
  - Notsofast
    
    You are wrong.
    
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    August 27, 2020 10:41am
  - Dave Mann
    
    So why mandate something that actually doesn’t work?
    
    That’s an easy question. Its purpose is to reinforce the fear response and more firmly embed obedient behaviour in the sheeple.
    
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    August 27, 2020 11:09am
    - Batman
      
      They do work. The sky is not green and down is not up.
      
      “Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus | UC San Francisco” https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
      
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      August 27, 2020 11:16am
      - Tall Man
        
        “All of this leakage in surgical and fabric masks are why public health officials generally don’t believe that wearing a mask prevents anyone from catching a virus that is already floating around in the environment. Airflow follows the path of least resistance, said Rachael Jones, an associate professor of family and preventive medicine at the University of Utah who was not involved in the new research. If viral particles are nearby, they have an easy path around a surgical or fabric mask. And in the case of a fabric mask, wearers may well be wafting in particles small enough to flow right through the fabric.”
        
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        August 27, 2020 11:31am
DRHILL

Haven’t seen anyone mention this article – The 4 roadblocks in the way to Covid-19 Vaccine:

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/08/25/vaccine-development

Just looking at what New Zealand has to do, we have to start thinking (at least) looking at a tracking system on who has received the vaccine.
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August 27, 2020 8:50am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING NOW

‘Despite vast areas of the City still being under curfew, it’s reported Chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot has been seeing someone on the side…..’

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgS6rOCU4AAxOvH?format=jpg&name=small
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August 27, 2020 8:56am
Simon

Biden is gone burger. That 20 minute reading the teleprompter exhausted him. The drugs that had to pump into him to get through 20 minutes.

Biden cant campaign. Its up to Harris now. Biden is still recovering.
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August 27, 2020 9:00am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Also Joe “Dementia” Biden basically just repeated his 2008 DNC speech ?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BYJjTqtPNA
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:31am
- Lance
  
  So is this “Hillary is dying” Mk2 (2020)?
  
  Stick to the policies, this Russian troll farm shit got old in 2016. Identity politics sucks no matter what side is practicing it.
  Good grief, some fool commenting on Kiwiblog a few years ago,was blathering on that Obama was a bad president because the way his wife ate dinner.
  No matter it be the USA or NZ, please let us debate only the policies and political actions of the proponents involved.
  
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  August 27, 2020 10:12am
  - Batman
    
    Difficult to debate policies when one side has officially subsumed it’s policy platform to a bulletpoint list of feelz and grievances
    
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    August 27, 2020 10:30am
    - Tall Man
      
      Like cindy you mean?
      
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      August 27, 2020 11:26am
  - Ralph
    
    Lance, why waste time with your kind of unreason and irrationalism!
    
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    August 27, 2020 11:13am
Maggie Pie

And i see OfficeMax is closing down. More than 600 jobs gone.

JOBS, JOBS, JOBS.
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August 27, 2020 9:08am
- Tricati
  
  Maggie, the motor mouth Jackson hasn’t got time to create jobs as he’s too busy on Facebook having a crack at Hosking for daring to question the princess.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:14am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Every time Jackson criticises a broadcaster, they just have to offer one, single word in rebuttal; Roastbusters.
    
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    August 27, 2020 9:26am
- alloytoo
  
  I think they’re going online only, closing 14 stores not quite so many jobs.
  
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  August 27, 2020 12:02pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Big anti-coronie protests planned in Berlin this Saturday, despite government warnings that it will be deemed illegal. Estimated numbers are around two million. Should be interesting.
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August 27, 2020 9:09am
I remember when

As the quest for ever more covid tests continues, I am not sure who the requests to get tested are aimed at.
Is it people who haven’t be tested at all? Is it people who haven’t had the test in the last two weeks?
If people have been tested, does this mean they can not catch the virus after being tested?
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August 27, 2020 9:11am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  Healthy unsick ppl are to get tested to prove that cindys got this and no community transmission.
  
  The sick have been told to stay home and isolate so wont dare go out and get a swab.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:55am
hookerphil

Returning today from a short visit down south with relations/friends. Now it just so happens that they know I am interested about politics. I can state that I have successfully taken one vote away from Her Highness. The really interesting thing to me is a reminder, once again, that a vast number of New Zealanders both have no idea what is going on and get all their “news” from TV One.
Interestingly none of them had heard of New Conservatives or knew much about ACT.
How small are the various Blog Bubbles?
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August 27, 2020 9:11am
- niggly
  
  TVNZLP – the propaganda arm of the NZ Labour Party.
  
  Time for a cleanout of the board and senior management for enabling partisan political reporting.
  
  That day will come.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:28am
- reubee
  
  Smaller than you think. A very unscientific survey is to take numbers that participate in blogs rugby picking competition divided by number of people in country that enter same competition and multiply by total population.
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:12am
I remember when

I know this is probably in bad taste.
How many people watching any of the various “news” sources of the ‘victim impact reports’, have listened and though this will stop future crimes of this sort?
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August 27, 2020 9:20am
- Albert_Ross
  
  What makes you think that is the intention of allowing victim statements?
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:44am
cmm

So during a “medical crisis” when the health system is struggling to recover from being disrupted by the CV19 overreaction, the MoH sees fit to cut budgets to the Canterbury DHB.

How does anyone square that circle.

Wayne: Would your National MP mates do anything different? If so, what?
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August 27, 2020 9:25am
- JackRabbit
  
  Its called entrapment. Also herding sheep.
  
  But don’t worry, all those millions they are depriving from the CDHB, will be well spent in the new North Island Green School, teaching Tree hugging, Tofu making, and left wing political values.
  
  The South Island has a greater under-swell of right wing farmers and freedom loving types, and Cindy has the break that spirit if communism is to succeed.
  
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  August 27, 2020 9:51am
Hollyfield

Heather du Plessis Allan “I no longer trust Government to keep virus out”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12359877
Posted on Herald website last night, now not on the home page at all, but only on the politics subpage.

Barry Soper “What has New Zealand Government learnt from virus?” (Hint: his answer is they’ve learnt “bugger all”)
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12359891
Posted on the Herald website 6am this morning, now not on the home page at all, but only on the politics subpage.

I note they have lots of space on their homepage for high quality, hard hitting articles about the Duchess of Sussex saying she’s glad to be home, Nicole Kidman’s daughter sharing a photo, Tiffany Trump giving a speech, and the Duchess of Cambridge buying a $13 plastic tiara to practice with.
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August 27, 2020 9:26am
Catgurl13

I’m wondering why these new cases are able to be walking around freely when they have tested positive?. Yesterday it was reported a positive case went shopping with a mask on Mon in PNS in Lincoln Rd Auckland?…..then the other positive one attended that Evangelical Church in Stoddard Rd MT Roskill through 3 church meetings and the wedding there?….when you go for a test they tell you if they think you do most likely have it,so surely you should be staying home to wait for that confirmation?. I know someone who had a cold for a week,had the test on a Friday and was text on the Sunday they were negative. They were also told by their doctor they had very mild symptoms it was unlikely they would be positive,but to stay home till the text confirmation came. On the other hand these people probably knew and went out anyway??
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August 27, 2020 9:29am
- Frank the tank
  
  That would be common sense and what I did on Monday afternoon and Tuesday after my test – unfortunately there are a lot of morons out there and this is half the problem with an elimination strategy. I dare suggest Labour voters each one of them.
  
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  August 27, 2020 6:12pm
Wayne Mapp

cmm,
Canterbury DHB seems to have had a longstanding problem. The fact that the govt chose Lester Levy as Crown Monitor shows that. He was National’s main go to guy in heath management in Auckland. Obviously the current govt also recognises his capability.

Jonathan Coleman has said that in 2017 Health needed another $300 million or so, which he could not get. Labour gave the extra to the DHB’s in 2018 and 2019. So there will be plenty of money in the system.

Early last week I needed emergency surgery at Middlemore (hand injury due to an cycle accident). I was very impressed with the quality of the hospital. Nothing like the dump it is always portrayed as.

Mind you the Doctor said to me at 1.30 in the morning that it would cost $1,200 for me to stay overnight pending the surgery in the morning. That I could go home as long as I was back at 7.00 in the morning. I told him the money had already been spent. The bed existed and was already and the staff were on duty. And in any event how was I going to get home since due to the injury I could not drive. I had been transported to Middlemore from North Shore hospital by ambulance, since the injuries to the hand were more severe than North Shore could deal with. He quickly saw the absurdity of his argument. I wonder how many other patients he has tried to browbeat like that.

So it is one handed typing for me at the moment. Though it probably accounts for a greater number of comments from me than is usual.
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August 27, 2020 9:42am
- Sigmund Freud
  
  “So it is one handed typing for me at the moment. Though it probably accounts for a greater number of comments from me than is usual.”
  
  Don’t bother, Wayne.
  
  [Mod: don’t pursue your personal grudge against others because they’re not sufficiently far right for your liking. You’ll get a holiday if you persist.]
  
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  August 27, 2020 10:04am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Yet you still say you were impressed? How would anyone without your debating skills have coped?
  
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  August 27, 2020 10:24am
- cmm
  
  Thanks for that Wayne and I genuinely hope you recover soon.
  
  I was admitted to hospital in February for 5 days and have taken on the role of being a cardiac outpatient.
  
  A senior medic told me that the current mob (ie. MoH/ current government) interference had screwed up their workflow and it had taken about a year to clear their backlogs etc. They had just achieved that at the beginning of the year.
  
  Then came the CV19 L4 shutdown. A complete overreaction as the criteria were not met. That completely screwed up their workflow and put them back 4 months – even with massive triages.
  
  For example, tests I was supposed to get in April ended up only happening 4 months later.
  
  Now budget cuts in the name of caring are not exactly going to help. If anything, they need extra budget to be able to clear up the backlogs caused by the CV19 overreactions.
  
  Looks to me like the Canterbury DHB have been shafted – as well as the people of Canterbury.
  
  Reading between the lines you give this all a big thumbs up, or maybe I’m misunderstanding.
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:12am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    I trust Lester Levy. A hardarse, yes. But he gets things done.
    
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    August 27, 2020 12:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Mind you the Doctor said to me at 1.30 in the morning
  
  Good grief..
  what time of the night did you sustain your accident?
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:27am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    3.00 pm.
    
    The whole process of X-rays, multiple doctors reviewing the injuries, transport to Middlemore and waiting for their specialist took over 10 hours.
    
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    August 27, 2020 12:28pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Auckland 101: don’t go to Middlemore.
      
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      August 27, 2020 1:17pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Middlemore was a actually pretty dam good, notwithstanding the 1.30 am lecture.
        
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        August 27, 2020 2:53pm
- Liberty
  
  Wayne
  All the best. Looking forward to your words of wisdom.
  Even if i might not always agree. 🙂
  It would be a pretty dreary blog if we did.
  
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  August 27, 2020 12:39pm
Maggie Pie

Random Impertinent Question…

Why would TVOne drop Wendy in favor of Simon?

Even Ali reckoned he was a drip.

Asking for a friend.
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August 27, 2020 9:42am
- Inandout
  
  MP, Ali saying Simon was a drip? Ali bats for the other team, so would say that.
  
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  August 27, 2020 10:14am
- dave_c_
  
  She’s no good either, just another auto-cue reader
  
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  August 27, 2020 10:33am
- Gertie
  
  Wendy….wasnt she the one high fiving the Bain fiasco trial. Talk about drip
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:38am
  - lifesgood
    
    Yep, I’ve had no time for her since that disgusting display.
    
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    August 27, 2020 1:34pm
- cmm
  
  Maybe she didn’t pass Maggie Pie’s partner’s test?
  
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  August 27, 2020 2:08pm
tedbear

Ten working days AFTER applying for a travel exemption, three days after it is no longer required and two days before travel restriction is over, here is the reply:
https://nzissues.com/Community/threads/omg-i-got-my-work-travel-exemption.7838/#post-315231
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August 27, 2020 9:51am
Inandout

Poor Don Lemon, he must choke at the news these riots are bad for the Dems. Now who would have imagined this outcome?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3slJYrhWYzE
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August 27, 2020 10:12am
- Maggie Pie
  
  You would have to wonder how that horrible Don Lemon is allowed to remain on screen after this disgusting display….
  
  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/cnns-don-lemon-sued-for-allegedly-vigorously-rubbing-his-genitalia-then-sticking-his-fingers-in-a-mans-face/
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:14am
Liberty

Parliament Question time
I have for some time been receiving a list of oral questions. They would normally
arrive before 2pm.
But over the last few months the norm has been after Question time. 4pm is quite common. I have also received them the next day.
The other notable change is on the “order page & question” on the Parliament site
“List of oral questions” normally has a photo of the leader of the opposition.
There is no photo of Judith. Why not?
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August 27, 2020 10:16am
- RJ
  
  I’ve never seen a photo on the list of oral questions page. Check with your isp why emails are taking so long to get to you.
  
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  August 27, 2020 12:04pm
Wired-one

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/08/tova-o-brien-duncan-garner-patrick-gower-to-host-newshub-s-decision-2020-live-election-coverage.html

So Gower moderating the debates on TV3 and Jack Tame on TV1. Two Ardern sycophants…
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August 27, 2020 10:16am
- bruceavon
  
  No it’s worse, it’s John Campbell on TV1 I think.
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:34am
- Inandout
  
  Wired-one, given that their salaries are paid out of the $50 million I would not expect anything else.
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:48am
dave_c_

Here we go, here we go, here we go . . .
For those who believe the government has our best interests at heart, I believe you are sorely deluded and have blinkers on.
Ardern indicates ‘NZ will put aside hundreds of millions of dollars’ to procure a pot-pourri of vaccines for Covid.
I don’t think that hundreds of millions of dollars would be required if they only intend to vaccinate those with or have had Covid, however, I do smell a rat – Mandatory vaccination is the next cab off the rank !
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August 27, 2020 10:25am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Once you have covid, it’s too late. Vaccines are preventative. One could argue that only the vulnerable need it, if there was a serious shortage.
  
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  August 27, 2020 1:10pm
I remember when

Albert Ross @9.44
What made me think that the reason for the court is to ensure justice is done, pass appropriate sentences and as a result, discourage future crimes?
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August 27, 2020 10:46am
- Gertie
  
  At some point victims of crime need to vent. It is a wrong if the perpetrator doesnt have to face his/her victims. The court system needs to be part of this. It helps everybody move on.
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:43am
Batman

Welcome to the natural end point of the MAGA movement’s obsession with law and order:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/kenosha-suspect-kyle-rittenhouse-trump-rally
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August 27, 2020 11:06am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Oh, I very much doubt it is the end point…
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:13am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Welcome to the natural end point of the BLM/AntiFa movement’s obsession with chaos and anarchy:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYb7loD7RGg
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:46am
- Inandout
  
  Oh wow Batman, so if you attend a World Cup match you automatically support the AB’s and not the opposing team. By the way, have you seen the handful of people who attend a Biden rally?
  
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  August 27, 2020 11:52am
  - RJ
    
    No, and neither has Biden, he can’t fit many in his basement.
    
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    August 27, 2020 12:48pm
    - cmm
      
      His basement is plenty big enough for his crowd.
      
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      August 27, 2020 1:33pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  Decry the violence all you like, signal your virtue to your heart’s content, but this is what a multiracial, multicultural society looks like. It’s little more than a constant, violent struggle for power over everyone else.
  
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  August 27, 2020 12:52pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  See the video below.
  The “protesters” should be the ones arrested.
  
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  August 27, 2020 1:38pm
Ralph

Myths that often orginate with the white hosue like the following ,

Nine COVID-19 Myths That Just Won’t Go Away
From a human-made virus to vaccine conspiracy theories, we rounded up the most persistent false claims about the pandemic

Myth 3: COVID-19 is no worse than the flu.

Starting in the early days of the pandemic, Trump has repeatedly claimed that the disease is not more dangerous than seasonal influenza. Although COVID-19’s exact mortality rate is hard to pin down, epidemiologists suspect it is far higher than that of the flu. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that the latter causes roughly 12,000 to 61,000 deaths per year in the U.S. By contrast, COVID-19 has caused more than 169,000 deaths in the country as of this writing.
Many people also have partial immunity to the flu because of vaccination or prior infection, whereas most of the world has not yet encountered COVID-19. So no, coronavirus is not “just the flu.”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nine-covid-19-myths-that-just-wont-go-away/
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- rangitoto
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/political/5-covid-19-charts-democrats-definitely-dont-want-you-see
  
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  August 27, 2020 1:38pm
- cmm
  
  “Myth 3: COVID-19 is no worse than the flu. ”
  
  Myth 4: There is a thing called “the flu”
  
  Nope, there are many different strains of flu and some are way, way worse than CV19. eg, Spanish Flu (1918/19) killed 300x as many, Asian Flu (157) killed 7x as many and HK Flu (1968) killed 3x as many.
  
  Myth 5: The Swedish guys said “COVID-19 is no worse than the flu.”
  
  Nope, they said it is no worse than a bad flu. And they would be right. (See above).
  
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  August 27, 2020 1:41pm
kowtow

Third day on the trot the NZX is out of action.

Our media are talking about cancelled basketball matches in the US.
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August 27, 2020 11:28am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Very curious indeed ?
  
  Last week it was the Parliament website that was out of action for hours.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/122532611/parliament-website-goes-down-restaurant-subsidy-petition-loses-500-signatures
  
  And a month ago it was the NZ military websites that were down for hours as well.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122281107/nzdf-websites-down-after-technical-issue-at-data-centre
  
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  August 27, 2020 12:38pm
- Batman
  
  Uhhh, I know about the outages because it was on the damn news, two nights in a row!
  
  Sheesh.
  
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  August 27, 2020 12:41pm
Fletch

As Critical Thinker posted above, Hillary has given away the Dem strategy. Mark Levin, on his show, says this is what they will do to steal the election.

“She just stated exactly what I told you they are up to. Biden is not going to concede. If they’re behind they’re going to sue, and they’re going to attack Trump, over the post office, they’ll say. When it’s really the states who are incapable of handling this. It is a disaster. […] And if the president decides that there’s a lot of hanky-panky going on and he brings cases here and there they are going to accuse him of being a dictator who will not accept the outcome of the election and will not leave the Oval Office. This is the plot. This is sabotage. Flood the system. Crash the system. Blame your victim, then grab control”

If you think they are too audacious to try it, just look at the past few years. The contrived Russian probe, the phony impeachment hearing over Ukraine. They will try anything in order to grab power. Nothing is off limits.
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August 27, 2020 11:29am
- Batman
  
  Yes that’s because the Trump admin is actually trying to crash the system and sew unfounded disinformation about mail voting.
  
  If Trump refused to leave because of delays in the results, it will be yet another crisis of his own making.
  
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  August 27, 2020 12:43pm
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Judge Orders New Election In Paterson, NJ, Because Of Mail-In Voting Fraud
    https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/20/judge-new-election-paterson-new-jersey-mail-in-voting-fraud/
    
    U.S. Postal Service Counters Trump Attacks On Mail-In Voting With A New Blockchain Patent ??
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbrett/2020/08/13/us-post-counters-trump-attacks-on-mail-in-voting-with-a-new-blockchain-patent/#3ff984c95b43
    
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    August 27, 2020 1:16pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The Paterson case does not show what you think it does…
      
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      August 27, 2020 2:00pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  Dem Panic: Democrats’ ‘War Game’ for Election Includes West Coast Secession, Possible Civil War
  
  “John Podesta — the former chair of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, and a leading figure in party circles — played former Vice President Joe Biden, and refused to concede the election.
  
  Mr. Podesta, playing Mr. Biden, shocked the organizers by saying he felt his party wouldn’t let him concede.
  
  The result: the threat of secession by the entire West Coast, followed by the possible intervention of the U.S. armed forces.”
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/08/02/democrats-war-game-for-election-includes-west-coast-secession-possible-civil-war-john-podesta/
  
  Thankfully Trump is looking like he’s most certainly going to win the 2020 election in a landslide. Which will prevent a bloody civil war in the West ?
  https://news.stonybrook.edu/facultystaff/maverick-modeller-helmut-norpoth-predicts-another-win-for-trump/
  
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  August 27, 2020 1:07pm
  - curry4me
    
    Critical Thinker: Oh yes please! Many Republicans wet dream. No left coast, and no left coast electoral votes for the Dems. What’s not to loke? Bring it on.
    President Trump would be a mug to oppose a left coast succession. It’s probably eaise Americas national IQ five points over night.
    
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    August 27, 2020 4:22pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’m not sure that the USA would do very well without all the billions of tax money from the west coast states to redistribute to Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, etc, etc…
      
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      August 27, 2020 5:02pm
Fletch

Richard Spencer backs Joe Biden. Well, well, well….

https://www.newsweek.com/richard-spencer-joe-biden-trump-maga-1527141
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August 27, 2020 11:32am
- mikenmildagain
  
  This was mentioned on GD yesterday. Spencer endorsed Trump in 2016, but now Biden. the difference: Trump said nothing about Spencer,whereas Biden rejected Spencer’s endorsement.
  Try harder, Fletch.
  
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  August 27, 2020 2:02pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Lol
    Nice try
    Spencer has been endorsing Democrats- especially locally, for years.
    
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    August 27, 2020 8:06pm
Critical Thinker

45% of all US coronavirus deaths occurred in nursing homes. That comes out to over 75,000 Deaths. When only 0.6% of the US population lives in nursing homes.

On Wednesday the Department of Justice requested data from four Democrat governors on their orders to send sick COVID-19 patients to nursing homes.
https://resistthemainstream.com/doj-requests-covid-19-data-from-four-democrat-governors-who-issued-orders-to-send-sick-patients-to-nursing-homes/

Undeniable mass murder for political purposes ?
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August 27, 2020 11:33am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvFzgr4zxvw
Hong Kongs Corrupt Elite Are Toast.

This time US rhetoric was matched by action.
HK has lost its special privileges. Some politicians,
such as Carrie Lamb have been sanctioned. China
could be crippled. Sanctioned officials can’t go
to the USA, or do business with Americans.
Carrie Lambs credit cards have been declined.
no Netflix either. Banks are taking the sanctions
seriously. They get sanctioned for doing business
with sanctioned officials. They could be banned
from doing business with the USA. Hong Kong
is the main source of US dollars. No more. It
could affect the Belt and Road. Money from
the elites can no longer be parked there.
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August 27, 2020 11:38am
oldfella

Stop the presses: All three NBA playoff games scheduled for Thursday (NZ time) have been postponed, with players around the league choosing to boycott in their strongest statement yet against racial injustice – yep, ‘Black Lives Matter’.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/basketball/300092481/steven-adams-okc-join-boycott-as-nba-playoff-games-called-off-amid-player-protest
Yep, gotta love these dudes, and the way they have such a strong moral compass.
Next week, despite the billions the NBA — and many of the players individually — make from the league’s connections with Communist China, I’m sure the league will expand it’s social agenda even further by proclaiming: “Uighur Lives Matter”. /sarc
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August 27, 2020 11:40am
- kowtow
  
  [Mod: Warning. This was racially biased stereotyping and will earn you a holiday if you do it again.]
  
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  August 27, 2020 12:30pm
  - Tall Man
    
    The very phrase “black lives matter” is an excellent example of “racially biased stereotyping” in my opinion don’t you think?
    
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    August 27, 2020 2:02pm
JibberJabber

It’s going to be a little hard to cut thru the Democrat fan bases natural TDS but, the evidence shows this kid was disengaging from the rioters when he was attacked and has managed to kill 2 assailants and wound a third.
https://streamable.com/dnero4?fbclid=IwAR3ZQw-y1Py5d0UFvXlvwTUOjT4aIg6Lhkg64GbkzmCZIF7PatXeHH-R5Xk
He is now been charged with 1 count of murder in the first degree.
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August 27, 2020 11:42am
Happychappy

So why has Jacinda signalled she will be putting millions away for the purchase of a vaccine for COVID-19, has she now realized that they can’t eliminate the virus and now wants to butter up the voter for the upcoming Elections.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/nz-sets-aside-hundreds-millions-access-covid-19-vaccine-jacinda-ardern-announces
Hundreds of Millions is a lot of borrowing so why not be honest and tell the public exactly how much you are willing borrow and put this Countries Generations to come to pay for your mistakes at thinking you could eliminate the virus and become famous worldwide.
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August 27, 2020 11:51am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Shane got 30 x $100M for his election handouts. That should be enough.
  
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  August 27, 2020 12:52pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Because she is quietly pivoting away from the goal of eliminating this “tricky virus”. Because the world now has to “live with it”.
  Even WHO has said that a vaccine could be three years away and we need to learn to live with, and manage, the virus.
  Ardern knows elimination was never possible – but she will never admit it – she will just change the narrative in such a subtle way that the blind sheeple won’t even realise.
  
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  August 27, 2020 1:25pm
oldfella

Australia’s PM gets tough on China. Go, ScoMo!
“China-funded culture and language centres at Australian universities and Victoria’s Belt and Road deal with Beijing could be cancelled under a powerful intervention to be unveiled by the Morrison government.
“The new laws will allow the Australian foreign minister to cancel agreements that states, territories, local governments and universities enter into with an overseas government if they contradict Australia’s national interest..”
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/they-can-be-cancelled-commonwealth-to-review-states-overseas-agreements-20200826-p55pmt.html

FWIW, here’s an opinion piece in the same paper on what this all means…
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-asserts-power-in-one-area-where-he-can-20200826-p55ply.html
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August 27, 2020 12:02pm
- curry4me
  
  oldfella: Yes, that’s what a good PM looks like.
  
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  August 27, 2020 4:15pm
burt

One thing that strikes me about covid reporting is how the story seems to change continuously. Now this recent cluster, is it a mini cluster or is it the biggest cluster we have had?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300092614/siouxsie-wiles-mt-roskill-mini-cluster-concerning-to-see-ahead-of-level-2
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August 27, 2020 12:22pm
- kowtow
  
  Another thing about wuflu reporting is how other than being shot by a racist cop in the US or crashing your car in NZ , it is the only media reportable cause of death in the whole world .
  
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  August 27, 2020 12:28pm
graham

Welcome to the natural progression of Black Lives Matter protests – “you MUST show solidarity and do what we demand”, because “white silence is violence”.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12359920

A Black Lives Matter protest in the US that demanded diners at restaurants show solidarity with the movement has triggered a backlash online.

BLM activists marching through Washington DC on Monday (US time) were caught on film demanding white diners raise their fist in the air, with demonstrators aggressively yelling at one woman who refused to comply.

The footage filmed outside several restaurants prompted a backlash, with many accusing protesters of acting like an “aggressive mob” and using “intimidation tactics” to order diners into submission.

…

Footage shows diners with their hands raised in support of the protesters, including a young boy with his fist raised.

…

Victor says she is a supporter of the Black Lives Matter movement and has participated in marches but didn’t want to be “coerced” into showing support.

“I wasn’t actually frightened. I didn’t think they’d do anything to me. I’m very much with them. I’ve been marching with them for weeks and weeks and weeks.“
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August 27, 2020 12:23pm
- kowtow
  
  BLM/Antifa = Fascist thugs.
  
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  August 27, 2020 12:58pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Interestingly, apparently the stupid thugs were white. So self-righteous SJW types using abuse and violence to prove how woke they are.
  
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  August 27, 2020 1:29pm
Maggie Pie

And what about this dikhead wandering around NW in a bra?
Wonder where he’s from – bet he thort he was funny 🙁

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgYLnjYU8AEHHPA?format=jpg&name=900×900
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August 27, 2020 12:36pm
- RJ
  
  He looks like a right tit.
  
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  August 27, 2020 12:42pm
- Gravelroad
  
  He’s not a dickhead.
  He’s a boob head.
  
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  August 27, 2020 1:59pm
Catgurl13

Im quite convinced the Labour party and Jacinda are deliberately dragging out these lockdowns, so that this will delay the political parties from being able to campaign. Labour is terrified of losing their grip on this country,which would then mean also losing control. Jacinda is a very dangerous leader.
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August 27, 2020 12:37pm
- burt
  
  Is her name actually Jacinta but because she can’t pronounce it she changed it to Jacinda?
  
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  August 27, 2020 12:41pm
Maggie Pie

So, another 9 new Covid-19 cases today.
Have you noticed that when they detail the possible links or source of the virus, there’s never a mention of the churches, schools, weddings, or workplaces, in Remuera?

ALWAYS wash your hands afterwards. Just saying.
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August 27, 2020 1:16pm
- kowtow
  
  Went to a bakers yesterday . Covid signs everywhere, qr thingy , hand sanitiser, warning to stay distanced …..
  
  …..got to the check out . Check out woman doing my eftpos transaction swiped the machine after I used it, the check out woman on the adjoining machine coughed directly into her bare hand , that’s someone doing food handling in a retail setting .
  
  Where’s the good old fashioned common sense and very simple plain old good personal hygiene ?
  
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  August 27, 2020 1:23pm
  - Batman
    
    Just another reason to wear a mask and santitise your hands, kowtow!
    
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    August 27, 2020 1:35pm
- RJ
  
  I know it’s great isn’t it Maggie, all the years of drug parties, swinger parties the people of Remuera have finally learned about staying clean?
  
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  August 27, 2020 2:04pm
ex-golfer

One of the justifications for putting the whole country into Level 4 lockdown in March/April was to mitigate against a surge of hospitalisations and over-running our ICUs because it was considered NZ did not have enough ICU beds or ventilators to cope with large amounts of COVID-19 admittance. As we know, the surge never eventuated and Labour busily patted themselves on their collective backs for such a success, while all along the border controls had more holes than a common kitchen sieve.

I would like someone from National to put a question to the Min of Health as follows:

“How many additional ICU beds and ventilators have been added to New Zealand hospitals since March 26, 2020?”

If the answer is none, then it would be a further indication of how incompetent the Govt (and Min of Health) is given they have had months to prepare for a possible second wave and yet have done nothing to do so.
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August 27, 2020 1:19pm
- cmm
  
  Only aspirations count.
  
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  August 27, 2020 2:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    They have to … cindy can’t.
    
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    August 27, 2020 2:17pm
- Tall Man
  
  Why bother with additional ICU beds and ventilators when the whole purpose of the “covod con” is to cower the population.
  
  We were very unlikely to ever need the capacity we currently have although admitting that could get a health minister on his bike 😉
  
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  August 27, 2020 2:08pm
I remember when

Chris Hipkins in todays Covid Report stated that masks were not requires on school buses.
Presumably because they are all considered to be in the same ‘bubble’. However, in many districts pupils from a number of schools can be on the same bus.
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August 27, 2020 1:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Yet another fluff article on Chloe Swarbrick in “Stuff.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/fashion/122578671/the-story-behind-green-mp-chle-swarbricks-iconic-sweatshirt

Hard to believe that this is not the media showing favouritism to one candidate in Auckland Central.
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August 27, 2020 2:04pm
- Tall Man
  
  Is this not regarded as “campaigning”?
  
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  August 27, 2020 2:20pm
  - graham
    
    Is this what Stuff consider to be:
    
    … play(ing) our role in safeguarding a free and open society, and fostering a democracy that’s accountable to all its citizens.
    
    As well as:
    
    … helping our journalists continue to do what they do best: sort the facts from the fake news
    
    Not forgetting:
    
    Your contribution will enable us to shed light on our nation’s most important issues, and continue to question those in power.
    
    All quotes taken from their begging page.
    
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    August 27, 2020 2:49pm
  - RJ
    
    Only if it involves national
    
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    August 27, 2020 2:54pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Different when the left do it.
    
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    August 27, 2020 3:14pm
ex-golfer

Congratulations to the National led Govt that in 2010 passed an amendment that allowed for today’s Life Without Parole sentence to be handed down.
Without wanting top politicize things, maybe now is a good time to remind the population that the opposition of the time (Labour/Greens) voted against the amendment, yet today they will proudly stand behind the sentence.
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August 27, 2020 2:49pm
- mandk
  
  Presumably Ardern voted against LWP.
  
  Will anyone in our lick-spittle MSM remind her of this?
  
  Perhaps she even spoke against it in the debate.
  
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  August 27, 2020 4:06pm
  - mandk
    
    She did indeed speak against it:
    
    “I am very proud to rise and give Melissa Lee, the member opposite who just spoke briefly, the Labour Party’s set of reasons as to why anyone sensible should not be supporting the Sentencing and Parole Reform Bill”
    Hansard Volume 652, Page 1420
    
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    August 27, 2020 4:23pm
- Nickc2
  
  Agree, Cindy will be giving dancing lessons at home. F-n hypocrites. Perhaps he should have had Golly G as his defence attorney?
  
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  August 27, 2020 4:26pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  This was an extraordinary crime and even the convict did not disagree with the sentence.
  
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  August 27, 2020 5:15pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300092533/high-profile-sportsman-facing-methamphetamine-charges-keeps-name-suppression
And so it continues.
Why are “sportsmen” subject to such benign treatment ?
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August 27, 2020 3:44pm
- RJ
  
  Perhaps you should go use this amazing website called google, and you will find lots of people from different backgrounds that have got name suppression, you will also find sportspeople who had name suppression and lost it.
  
  While you are at it you can use that amazing google to find all the non White people in the media for committing crimes with their names and photos.
  
  And perhaps you can write to the court and tell them why a person who is pleading not guilty shouldn’t have name suppression until he is found guilty.
  
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  August 27, 2020 3:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Been looking for links to Melania Trump’s speech at the RNC, not a lot compared to the liberal stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuHx41J-KAY
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August 27, 2020 4:13pm
Maggie Pie

Just been listening to Ryan Bridge on MagicDrive.
He’s spent the last hour talking about new Tik-Tok Sensation, W.A.P.
We all know it stands for ‘Wet As Pussy’…but he keeps beating about the bush.
HDPA for me from now on.
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August 27, 2020 4:45pm
- RJ
  
  Must be something to do with the Labour Party then.
  
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  August 27, 2020 4:50pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  Ben Shapiro does the same but its quite halarious and takes a literal view of W.A.P (managed to use some upper case just for you Mags 🙂 )
  
  https://youtu.be/U9FM49Tzhn4
  
  bit weird and creepy tho if a bunch of preteens and young teens tik toking along singing and dancing to that song tho.
  
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  August 27, 2020 5:45pm
  - Batman
    
    That’s because every WAP becomes a DAP when they come within 20 feet of Ben Shapiro.
    
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    August 27, 2020 6:42pm
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      youll have to elaborate on your DAP meaning batboy, thats an acronym for multiple things and possibly cardi b follow up song name to WAP.
      
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      August 27, 2020 6:53pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Called my partner down to watch that vid wimps.
        He reckoned FAP would have been more to the point.
        Fat Ass Pussy 😛
        
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        August 27, 2020 7:13pm
RJ

Weird, I can’t see anywhere in this article about national getting roped of lunchtime

90-day trials would return, but lunchtime gone by lunchtime under National small business policy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300092612/90day-trials-would-return-but-lunchtime-gone-by-lunchtime-under-national-small-business-policy
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August 27, 2020 5:11pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  Fake news RJ, paye slaves can still keep their unpaid meal breaks.
  
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  August 27, 2020 6:57pm
  - RJ
    
    Very much so, which is the problem. One of our major media sites is running stories that they know will cause outrage among voters then they will quietly correct their mistake
    
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    August 27, 2020 7:11pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

So if Jacinda Adern had her university education funded by the freemasons, does that mean the freemasons are now running the country? How many other senior NZ politicians are freemason?
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August 27, 2020 7:45pm
- Jimmy the Brush
  
  The Freemasons provide scholarships to many educational organisations for them to distribute as that organisation sees fit, regardless of their race, gender or religion… Just to be clear I am Blue through and through, but within freemasonry, religion and politics are not discussed.
  
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  August 27, 2020 8:11pm
  - Kiwi_in_Paris
    
    I don’t think people would describe what is happening to the country at the moment, and the world, “politics” as such. Seeing as Cindy’s biggest buddy oddly appears to be Judith Collins.
    
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    August 27, 2020 8:22pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Cool story, now tell us about the Illuminati…
  
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