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krazykiwi

Turns out the Australian government doesn’t believe it’s own spin

Therapeutic Goods Administration, a government office, claims there is “little evidence” to assess “clinical utility” of PCR or blood tests
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”There is limited evidence available to assess the accuracy and clinical utility of available COVID-19 tests.”
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The premier, Daniel Andrews wants to extend the state of emergency for another 12 months so he can hand all decisions over to the Chief Health Officer and claim he is doing the right thing.

Both the politicians and the mainstream media quack endlessly about ‘evidence-based policy’ and ‘following the science’. That is a lie.

They are relying on tests that, by the government’s own admission, are not reliable. This is not conflicting views amongst ‘experts’. This is the government itself. It is an extraordinary scandal and if there was a functioning media, the government would be exposed for gross incompetence and political aggression.
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September 6, 2020 8:01am
- PhilBest
  
  Noted NZ sportsman and Sportsmedicine practitioner Gary Moller is very honourably trying to get the facts out there about Hydroxychloroquine.
  
  https://www.garymoller.com/post/how-to-escape-from-our-covid19-prison-pt-4?postId=5f519264e91c660017cb353b
  
  That graph of the difference between the nations who do use this drug (yes, some do!) versus those that don’t, is a shocker.
  
  People on the wimpy, appeasing “centre right” just will not wake up about the routine nature of the evil that anyone subscribed to the progressive-left narrative, will commit in the service of their “cause”. Including medical professionals and researchers letting people die in a pandemic all the while accusing their political opponents of being responsible.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:02am
  - SB2
    
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    “Gary Moller Functional Nutrition Consultant”
    
    What else? Qualified Harvard Medical School , John Hopkins, Mayo Clinic etc ?
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:15am
    - softail 1450
      
      SB2,Palm reader at st lukes ?
      
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      September 6, 2020 10:43am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Gary Moller has Post-Grad qualifications in Sports Medicine and Exercise from Otago University.
      
      Gary’s academic training through the University of Otago and Medical School is in the following fields:
      
      Sports Medicine (post-graduate diploma – allied medical).
      
      Physical Education (exercise physiology, biomechanics, coaching theory).
      
      Rehabilitation (post-graduate diploma – allied medical).
      
      https://www.garymoller.com/copy-of-about-gary
      
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      September 6, 2020 11:46am
    - PhilBest
      
      Ad hominem crap. One does not even need qualifications to link to statistics that prove something. Look at that graph. The death rates in the countries where Hydroxychloroquine has been disgracefully proscribed, is just another tranche of deaths to add to “progressive” murderousness in history. Like the malaria deaths after DDT bans.
      
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      September 6, 2020 4:37pm
  - RBiggs
    
    Gary is also anti vax and anti water fluoridation.
    
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    September 6, 2020 8:09pm
- Simon
  
  “evidence based policy”
  
  Daniel Andrews orders have to be obeyed without question. For eg when the police arrest people for FB posts they are just following orders.
  
  If everyone follows orders then evidence just isnt necessary.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:44am
  - SB2
    
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    “…or eg when the police arrest people for FB ”
    
    A paranoid reaction in action?
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:16am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Don’t be stupid(er than normal) stephie. The arrest of a pregnant woman in her PJs at home in front of the Kids for “incitement” was all over social media 2 days ago. So Victoria Police, arresting people for FB posts. Yup.
      
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      September 6, 2020 11:35am
I remember when

Is the Jacinda Labour Government the local equivalent of Tesla?
Plenty of hype, full of promotion, lots of glitz, a brand that depends on one person, but like an iceberg not a lot to see.
Appear to be worth a lot more than the performance, in terms of results, would suggest they should.
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September 6, 2020 8:10am
- bruceavon
  
  No Tesla is over valued stock wise but the cars are excellent. A friend has one, most exciting car I have ever been in.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:16am
  - softail 1450
    
    bruceavon,My neighbors youngest son (22) has a 2019 zr1 corvette ,just as refined as the Tesla but a lot more exciting, but at 200k it wasn’t cheap.
    Shit when I was his age I had a rusty old mk3 zodiac, how times have changed.
    
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    September 6, 2020 11:47am
    - bruceavon
      
      The Tesla Model S would beat it 0 – 60. And they feel ludicrously fast because of the way they accelerate. After that the corvette would take over, 1/4 mole etc. I had a hot Mark 3 Zephyr. Lol.
      
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      September 6, 2020 12:12pm
      - softail 1450
        
        bruceavon, apparently with just a software upgrade that vette can produce 1000 hp ,its 700 standard and the best thing about it is that in 10 years it’ll still be worth heaps when the Tesla is being recycled for the second time.
        seriously which one would you have given to you free? when it comes down to it the Tesla is just an overpowered vacuum cleaner,LOL also.
        
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        September 6, 2020 2:50pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Since we’re reminiscing…
      
      When I was your neighbours son’s age I was at Uni and had a Datsun 120Y, that was 1 year older than me and that my stepdad (ex-mechanic, then metalwork teacher) restored. The poor thing was more bog than steel by then. AFAIK it originally belonged to the vicar of Edgecumbe, before bought by our over-the-back neighbour in Tok, just about 3 or 4 years before she stopped driving.
      
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      September 6, 2020 3:53pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        PS the point being… 22 year olds don’t need a Tesla OR a corvette. (But good on them if they have one).
        
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        September 6, 2020 4:00pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        heh!
        
        We had a 1200 VW beachbuggy at the bach when I was a teenager, it started life as a 1962 1200 belonging to the bishop of Wellington.
        
        It went quite well till my brother fell asleep (hmmm?) while fishing, and it learned to float, was never quite the same afterwards….
        
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        September 6, 2020 8:02pm
- JackRabbit
  
  If Cindy was a Tesla:
  1) It would continually veer to the left.
  2) Even when you try to go to the right.
  3) Would continually break down and continually cost you money.
  4) The on-board computer would randomly throw wobblys, making it unpredictable.
  5) Stop even when there is no danger, calling tech support, and cause all Teslas everywhere to shut down.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:41am
  - surfing
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/122658284/shes-not-a-doll-so-dont-call-the-prime-minister-cindy
    
    You’ve lost the argument already.
    
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    September 6, 2020 1:38pm
    - alwyn
      
      Did you notice that of the 5 Prime Ministers that Andrea referenced she (Andy) always used diminutives of their real names when she referred to them? She says –
      “Sir John Key was never Johnnie. Sir Bill English was not called Billie. No Jimmy Bolger, Robbie Muldoon or Mikey Moore?”
      She routinely referred to “Bill” English, not (Simon) William English. She would say “Rob” Muldoon, not Robert and “Mike” Moore, not Michael.
      Is it OK to use diminutives for men’s names but not those of women?
      
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      September 6, 2020 4:47pm
- Paulus
  
  And is going still to be the Winner at the election despite remaining quiet !
  
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  September 6, 2020 11:15am
Maggy Wassilieff

Our Prime Minister is NOT a doll.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/122658284/shes-not-a-doll-so-dont-call-the-prime-minister-cindy
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September 6, 2020 8:10am
- NewInoffensiveName
  
  Cindy it is!
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:13am
  - JackRabbit
    
    There is a post of her on facebook, which you can not now get to unless you log in. It is clip from years ago where Cindy says she hates that name and preferred to be called Jack growing up.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:51am
- Sigmund Freud
  
  Incredible article. But is it worth $50,000,000?
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:15am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Don’t call Jax Cindy. I know some public servants who named their toilet door key John key.
  
  Are lefties really that thin skinned? Hipkins’ closing speech – which I think referred to that hulk image of Cindy – was pretty vitriolic. Must be making impact where they don’t want it to.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:20am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Labour doesn’t need to make nasty comments. Newspaper cartoonists, journos and tv comics can do that for them
    
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    September 6, 2020 8:22am
  - tf78
    
    Winston continually called Jack Tane “JAMES” this morning – very subtle (not).
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:23am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Cindy: Insulting blondes everywhere for years, by dying her hair black. Is being blonde not good enough for her image?
    
    “Jacinda, you will have to dye your hair black if we put you on the political stage. No-one will take you seriously, with the a nickname like Cindy and blonde hair.”
    
    “Don’t call me Cindy, call me Jack.”
    
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    September 6, 2020 12:31pm
- tf78
  
  “Diddums!” as Clark would say.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:23am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Such an obvious and easily avoided trap, and yet we keep blundering our way into it.
  
  Thus: National: Cindy has completely failed to address child poverty
  
  Labour: Aaarrggghhhh! You called her Cindy! Sexist and demeaning!
  
  Media: National are sexist and demeaning
  
  See how easy National made it for Labour to avoid a discussion about child poverty?
  
  Now substitute “the Prime Minister” or “Jacinda Ardern” for “Cindy” in the opening statement. What have Labour got now?
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:24am
  - tf78
    
    Chuckie?!
    
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    September 6, 2020 9:47am
  - Sacha
    
    Absolutely agree. Use the proper, official title when criticising the PM. It removes any implication of personal criticism of the person.
    By dolly-ing her, you excuse her of her actions – infantilise her even – and then she is not to blame for anything.
    
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    September 6, 2020 9:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Now substitute “the Prime Minister””
    
    But but but ”’ cindy did it not “what’s in it for wynston” ……
    
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    September 6, 2020 9:52am
  - Nookin
    
    There is a lot of truth in the article. A quick scan of articles by Vance indicates that even when she is criticising someone, she addresses them by their correct name or title and very rarely resorts to ad hominem, demeaning names or descriptions.
    
    If you want to persuade somebody to a point of view, you should focus on the point of view and not add any distractions that may lead to the reader dismissing both article and author.
    
    Much of course depends on the reason for belittling. Much of it is simply the manifestation of a desire to insult. That may make the poster feel a bit better but if the thrust of the argument is to persuade, for example, an undecided voter or get someone to see reason, it is really an abject failure.
    As Albert_Ross says, the whole thrust of the argument goes down the toilet if a reader comes away with a sense of outrage about belittling comments and has no recollection of what the article was really about.
    
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    September 6, 2020 9:57am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Is this the same Andrea “honeytrap” Vance who worked for the News of the World?
      
      The paper that got closed down because of its lack of ethical standards?
      
      The paper that hacked private individuals cellphones and thought it was funny?
      
      The paper that traded in cheap sexual innuendo?
      
      The same journalist who honeytrapped a silly elderly Minister and sabotaged his election campaign, thus handing his seat to Labour, and changing the election outcome?
      
      That Andrea Vance?
      
      And she is lecturing us about ethics?
      
      That $50million goes a long way doesn’t it?
      
      That is a big big story about how people who called John Key “Wonkey” and a Nazi, Called Muldoon “Piggy”, call Judith Collins “Crusher”, called Chris Finlayson “Tinkerbell”, thought songs about raping Key’s daughter, “cool and edgy”, now think it is mean to call Cindy, Cindy.
      
      Well, I for one am convinced.
      
      Il Duce Ardern from now on! She has the thin hide, vainglorious disposition, and a horde of sycophants!
      
      Bwuhahahaa!
      
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      September 6, 2020 11:44am
    - alwyn
      
      “she addresses them by their correct name”.
      Really? Is she going to start using Gerard rather than Gerry Brownlie?
      
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      September 6, 2020 4:53pm
  - surfing
    
    People who can’t get names right probably can’t get much else right.
    
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    September 6, 2020 1:39pm
- Ruawai
  
  Andrea Vance saying it is sexist to call JA Cindy is nuts, what about Winnie for Winston Peters, Piggy Muldoon. And comparing her to Margaret Thatcher is not a good comparison, one is capable and all over all parts of Government the other is not.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:29am
  - Liam
    
    how about the fact that Andrea Vance wrote an article within the last 12 months literally titled “When Cindy met Don” for SST
    
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    September 6, 2020 2:16pm
- Prince
  
  ‘Donkey’ or ‘Shonkey’, Potatohead Bolger, Piggy Muldoon, Pulya Benefit.
  But don’t upset our fragile PM.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:30am
  - Nookin
    
    I think Bolger was commonly called “Spud”.
    
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    September 6, 2020 9:37am
    - softail 1450
      
      Nookin ,yes his airforce plane was called “Spud One”by journalists ,LOL.
      
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      September 6, 2020 10:49am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Would she prefer Her Imperial Majesty Ardern R. I. Empress of Taranaki and Ihumatao?
  
  Others: “Ardone”, Ordurn Socialnazi…
  
  Andrea Vance has opened up a container of lawnmowers.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:30am
  - surfing
    
    The PM is a nazi? Interesting view.
    
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    September 6, 2020 1:42pm
    - softail 1450
      
      surfing , the toothbrush mustache comes at around 4 decades with a lot of females,lets hope Cindy doesn’t get to close to her mirror, she’s got the police commissioner that will gladly get behind her goose stepping after he regrows his beard.
      
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      September 6, 2020 3:03pm
- Flossie
  
  Where’s the outraged article condemning a so-called political reporter on our television news who called the Honourable Judith Collins “crusher”?
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:33am
- Chuck Bird
  
  My email to Ms Vance below.
  
  Hi Andrea
  
  Your political bias is showing. Sir John Key was referred to as Donkey, Muldoon was referred to as Piggy and Judith Collins as Crusher.
  
  Your paper attacks David Wong-Tong for forwarding a meme referring to Ardern as Cindy but ignores and even justifies nasty racist attacked calling Samoan David Wong-Tong an ape and many other racist terms by Cindy’s “kind” supporters.
  
  It is different when the left do it.
  
  Regards
  Chuck Bird”
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:34am
  - lifesgood
    
    I hope you sent it. It’s a good one.
    
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    September 6, 2020 9:33am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Onya Chuck. Very good email.
    
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    September 6, 2020 9:35am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Should Andrea Vance have a nickname like Advance? Cindy’s agenda.
      
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      September 6, 2020 7:36pm
  - surfing
    
    It appears the 91 nutty people in New Zealand are kiwibloggers.
    
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    September 6, 2020 1:44pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    the currently preferred term for the leader of the opposition’s spouse, among beauticians in Havelock North is “chinese ****”.
    
    Hmmm
    
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    September 6, 2020 8:07pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Lol. Cindy is not fit to even be mentioned in the same article as Margaret Thatcher.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:36am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Empty head, entirely plastic, useless as tits on a bull to grown-ups.
  
  Sounds like a doll to me.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:41am
- gravedodger
  
  Muldoon had “Piggy”, Bolger “Spud”, who recalls the Immortal Dom Post story about was It, ” a pig loose in Thorndon PM safe”. “Robs Mob”, sheesh think Oscar Wilde and being “talked about”.
  The Woman in question has exhibited some remarkable traits that might preclude maturity and respect methinks.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:42am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The infamous Wellington story was about a “rooting pig”.
    
    But let’s not forget that as recently as 2014, a Labour candidate in Rangitata referred to John Key as “Shylock”, a clear reference to Key’s Jewish heritage. That’s every bit as offensive and racist as referring to David Wong-Tung as an “ape”, a “half-breed”, and a “chinky-chong “, especially given that Wong-Tung isn’t in politics himself.
    
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    September 6, 2020 9:41am
    - Nookin
      
      Agree Tony. But on the other hand, while you can remember all of the epithets (vividly) can you recall any reason point being made or intended to be made by the article, comment, post or whatever? For the most part, whatever is written is dismissed (usually with a sense of outrage) and the actual message is lost forever.
      
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      September 6, 2020 10:35am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      And don’t we want to be better than that?
      
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      September 6, 2020 10:47am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Not on Kiwiblog, obviously.
        
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        September 6, 2020 11:04am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Wasn’t it something like “Rooting pig loose in Northland, Prime Minister safe!”
      
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      September 6, 2020 8:06pm
- mandk
  
  Just to correct Andrea Vance on one point: Hillary Clinton does not have a Christian name. She cannot bear to utter the word. When Muslim terrorists blew up hundreds of Christians in Sri Lanka Clinton referred to the victims as Easter Worshippers.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:44am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, because the 1000s of “Cindy”s have been complaining that they’re dolls. Pfffft.
  
  Vance’s article tell me there is a raw nerve being jabbed.
  
  Good.
  
  Cindy has wrecked our country in pursuit of her own self aggrandizement.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:47am
- Simon
  
  The Cindydoll.
  
  Made with cheap plastic, dressed in a Mao suit, the head is loose which can twist in any direction and if you pull a string she says “We have got this” “Team of 5 million” & “lets keep moving”
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:55am
- 3-coil
  
  Andrea Vance must be the sloppiest hack in the game – again a substandard article full of errors.
  
  AV’s self-appointment as spokesperson for NZ women is hypocritical hubris of the highest order. Vance is the gutter journalist who arrived here, steaming-fresh from the British phone-hacking News of the World tabloid rag, to educate us in the colonies how dirty “journalism” could be. And done a great job.
  
  Andrea: “Cindy” is a term of endearment here, especially when you compare it with some of the other names I’ve heard for her. We love her, we all call her Cindy.
  
  Feel the kindness, embrace it Cindy.
  
  Edit: Piggy, Soimon, Winnie…etc are all examples of not-so-endearing nicknames other NZ politicians have had, but you don’t hear them bitching and whining about it.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:02am
  - lifesgood
    
    Jacinda Laurel Kate…well if that isn’t a cutsie pie name for a doll I don’t know what is.
    
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    September 6, 2020 9:35am
    - softail 1450
      
      Lifesgood ,Do you think Cindys dad might have had a nissan Laurel 40 years ago ? they were a good car actually, Ive heard friends call Cindy another word related to transport but on KB I car, car, car, can’t say it.
      
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      September 6, 2020 10:59am
  - calendar girl
    
    Well said, 3-coil.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:05am
  - Paulus
    
    Understand that you would not have wanted to be a neighbour to her apartment either !
    
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    September 6, 2020 11:20am
- igm
  
  After reading Orr’s fiscal roundup I can think of a number of adjectives to use on Ardern and her sycophants but would be banned indefinitely.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who cares what snake Vance thinks?
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:09am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  true I apologise to all dolls as they acually help kids in poverdee and brighten their day just a lil bit. the battery ones that talk are also not as repeatative with their phrases and slogans And the dolls have a bit more between the ears then cindy.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:15am
- Rich Prick
  
  OK then. Malibu Cindy it is.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:24am
  - sooty
    
    Is the Malibu, because she likes the fun in the sun?
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:14am
    - oldfella
      
      Not so much, Malibu, as ‘MorryVille’ Cindy? Honoring where she did her best work wrapping chips.
      
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      September 6, 2020 10:57am
- Albert_Ross
  
  And now, barely an hour later, we are up to twenty responses ( and rising) all of them talking about whether it’s OK to use nicknames and not one of them focusing on the Government’s record of achievement and success in tackling anything at all.
  
  Well played, Andrea. This is where you and the Government want public discussion to focus, keeping attention well away from issues that actually matter to public and private wellbeing. We made it easy for you to set the trap in the first place, and now you can happily sit back and enjoy the spectacle of us flailing around in it.
  
  Come on, National. The next election is uphill at best, but there is no need to go out of your way to make it easy for Labour to avoid even having to contest it.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:29am
  - Honorary Kiwi
    
    As I am semi detached in all of this one thing that leaps out at me is the way the Prime Minister, Grant and Chris play the Moral Indignation Card.
    
    Whenever they are in error they start a conference with it, expecting the gullable to nod how terrible how awful to be so nasty.
    
    It is the grand deflection, my reading of Judith’s reaction to her husbands intervention was she was on the money.
    
    Next time she speaks she needs to remind everyone in a micro second she has a nick name and then get straight on to the substantive issues and you elder statesmen journalists need to knock this out of the park this week. Leave it to them.
    
    It will not be easy the media is full of how everyone is feeling about the news rather than the news itself. Maybe thats because a lot of the time there is no news. Now there is and its really really important to deal with all the issues.
    
    Covid 19 s never about what do three months of 100% testing a whole population look like or how many people entered the country with no test between 9th April and June 8th or the consequences of the health agency’s findings that 50% of Symptomatic Cases were never tested in the first wave or the consequences for policy given no one knows where this second wave came from. it’s about oh my god someone died and how do we feel about it. Those intimately connected will be in mourning the rest of us don’t need to be FEELING anything.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:25am
  - bruceavon
    
    Yes. And judging from the way this article is blowing up all over social media, Vance seems to have hit some buttons right. Seems to be Stuffs most popular article now. National politicians and party should avoid using Cindy. Not sure you going to convince many swing voters to the National cause using stuff like this. I agree keep pushing the failures and policy, keep it clean, stay away from the tacky stuff.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:30am
- Ruahine
  
  So it is true then. Ardern does not like being called Cindy.
  Obviously been whining to her mate the ex News of the World Irish woman A Vance.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:33am
  - sooty
    
    I see Andrea has finally had something to say on labour’s deviant sex camp attendee!
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:17am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Did she hack a cellphone?
      
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      September 6, 2020 10:31am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      I think you mean Alison Mau justifying the name suppression.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300099878/final-act-of-labour-youth-camp-case-could-be-a-gamechanger
      
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      September 6, 2020 10:33am
      - sooty
        
        I’m sorry I did too!
        
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        September 6, 2020 4:13pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, Andrea Advance used the term ‘Christian’ in relation to Cindy. Twitter will destroy her.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:42am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  Andrea focusses on 1 person and her nicknames yet neglects the fact that cindy herself nicknamed the rest of us her team of 5mil which many of us hate worse then she does cindy.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:01am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Andrea Vance may as well declare herself as Labour list candidate.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:11am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  She ain’t no barbie either
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:15am
- fisho
  
  Roll on the Streisand effect ?
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:18am
- RW Capitalist
  
  No…she is a barbie
  Bobble headed
  Relying on her looks
  Hollow and lacking substance…like barbie
  Fake like barbie….barbie is made of plastic
  Barbie comes in a cellophane and cardboard box, which is useless once the doll is removed (the Labour party).
  
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  September 6, 2020 11:23am
- Surely Knott
  
  Soimon Bridges. Paula Benefit. All very nasty. I wonder how they felt about their nicknames. Where was Andrea Vance then?
  
  https://thestandard.org.nz/tag/soimon-brudges/
  
  https://nopunchespulled.com/2020/07/02/soimon-promoted/
  
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  September 6, 2020 12:42pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It was interesting to see “Hey Clint” Smith, former Labour and Green Party staffer staffer go into bat for the PM on Twitter this morning:
    
    Clint Smith
    @ClintVSmith
    Level 1:
    Good on Andrea Vance for calling out this out
    
    A lot of criticism of Jacinda is framed in misogyny (as it was w Clark & Shipley). not just from the usual male losers & dickheads, older women commentators often talk about the PM like she’s a little girl
    
    https://twitter.com/ClintVSmith/status/1302357000676732928
    
    Clint’s obviously forgotten those good, old days before and after the 2008 election when his alter ego Steve Pierson used to have all sorts of disparaging things to see about John Key, Bill English, Paula Bennett, Anne Tolley, Gerry Brownlee and others, often accompanied by unflattering photos or unfunny memes.
    
    Clint is the last person who should be commenting on this, and endorsing Vance’s op-ed. What’s that old saying about stones and glasshouses?
    
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    September 6, 2020 3:04pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Funny that Vance says she’s not a doll. She has that tilty-bobby head move, and she talks to us like we’re 5-year-olds. I think Cindy is a highly appropriate nick-name and Vance (Andy) is being disingenuous at best.
  
  Complains that people didn’t shorten John Key’s name – well duh it’s already as short as you can get it, and as mentioned there were plenty of examples of his name being changed for so-called laughs. Good friends of mine used to only refer to him as DonKey and apparently people called their toilet keys John Key. Plus many called him John Keys which is just lazy.
  
  But if it really annoys Andy Vance, I won’t call her Cindy. I’ll call her Jacinta because that really grinds her gears.
  
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  September 6, 2020 12:50pm
- Philview
  
  Andrea has a short memory. The frequent references to John Key as Shohn Key. This was intended as a sly anti semitic dig because Labour MPs called him Shylock in private.
  
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  September 6, 2020 1:41pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/122658284/shes-not-a-doll-so-dont-call-the-prime-minister-cindy

I’m not sure that Andrea Vance is doing the Prime Minister any favours with this blatant puff piece.
Explaining is losing as they say.
If I was in Ms Ardern’s leadership position, I would find it demeaning and embarrassing to have a media mate feeling obliged to to contribute this in the middle of an election campaign.
Also interesting to see a large Labour Party advertisement at the end of the opinion piece.
Am assuming this would be a paid advertisement?
Which would indicate that the Labour Party spin team knew it was coming.
If Ms Ardern knew about all this and accepted the gift, she has gone well down in my respect index for her.
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September 6, 2020 8:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Was it not Jacinda Ardern who had her front bench colleagues guffawing when, being quizzed by Simon Bridges in the House, replied “it’s simple, Simon.”?
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:44am
  - igm
    
    Ardern sat grinning like a Cheshire cat when Peters made fun of Bridges’ slight speech impediment.
    She, who displays he poorest pronunciation of English in the house, at present.
    In fact, Ardern is a disgrace to her position, in all facets.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:11am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    She can do NO WRONG. 62% agree with me.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:12am
    - Sigmund Freud
      
      It’s called the ‘Bell Curve’.
      
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      September 6, 2020 11:24am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Soimon.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:52am
  - niggly
    
    @Inv2 just to add to your post, I recall how Jacinda Ardern revelled mocking Simon Bridges with the “it’s Simple, Simon” line, she was rather gleeful if not outright pleased with herself.
    
    Interestingly enough, a quick google search reveals the phrase is quite nasty (in more explicit terms than the nursery rhyme portrays), and presumably that is what Jacinda Ardern was intending to convey.
    
    According to the Collins Dictionary it means “a foolish man or boy”, according to Longman it means “a stupid person” and if one goes to the urban dictionary it means a lot worse (“mentally retarded” etc).
    
    It is “interesting” then how Jacinda and Labour carefully scripted using this term in response to Simon Bridges in Question Time. It reveals a deliberate strategy to use a phrase to get around using language (i.e. “stupid”, “foolish”, “mentally retarded”) that would normally would not be allowed by the Speaker to describe another member of Parliament.
    
    I go back to what I opened this up with – Jacinda Ardern revelled mocking Simon Bridges in this manner and was very much pleased with herself afterwards. What does this show (of Jacinda’s character)?
    
    And when has Simon Bridges (or Todd Muller or Judith Collins for that matter) ever used similar derogatory phrases against Jacinda Ardern?
    
    Which makes me wonder what was the point of the Andrea Vance article. Yes I understand Andrea Vance’s points – they are fair points (and clearly she has been brought up well enough to respect people’s names and has continued with that professional approach – good on her) but if National/ACT politicians aren’t calling generally Jacinda “Cindy” (let alone “stupid”, “foolish” etc) why on earth is she trying to tell “citizens” to stop using “silly names”? For better or worse and for years if not decades, that’s how Kiwi’s roll (I grew up hearing the phrase “Piggy Muldoon” for years and years)!
    
    So is the point of Andrea Vance’s article really to do with the National Facebook Memes (or whatever it is called – I don’t care enough about Facebook to look), because Judith Collins’ husband re-posted some memes about Jacinda Ardern?
    
    If so, well we can’t have that then can we, tut tut! (/ sarc).
    
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    September 6, 2020 1:27pm
    - niggly
      
      Oh and one other thing about how Jacinda and Labour carefully scripted the “it’s Simple, Simon” phrase (to mean “stupid”, “foolish” “retarded” etc) … these “memes” were eagerly adopted by Jacinda’s supporters and caught on with the media.
      
      One example being when the likes of TV3’s Tova O’Brien started asking (the leftie wing hipsters and greenies of Cuba St in some of her reports) well fancy that they also used these phrases (and worse) in TV3’s little “word bubble” chart (or whatever they call it).
      
      Jacinda Ardern is NZ’s most “scripted” Prime Minister. Nothing she says or does hasn’t been already planned. Perhaps the MSM should remind themselves of that and take that into account (when questioning her utterances)!
      
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      September 6, 2020 1:43pm
      - Papalazarou
        
        Vance called Winston Winnie in a stuff article on 3 August 2014. I guess he’s a guy so that’s different.
        
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        September 6, 2020 3:08pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      A woman from the Hawke’s Bay is the latest to attack David Wong-Tung, calling him a “Chinese ****” and calling his Miss Collins “your white piece of shit of a wife”.
      
      https://twitter.com/CraigSDouglas1/status/1302355535073652736
      
      Unfortunately for the woman, she’s learning that every action has a consequence. A national business, for whom she is a franchisee, has apologised, saying it has zero tolerance for racism:
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12361836
      
      Oh dear; how sad, never mind…
      
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      September 6, 2020 3:13pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        I guess Ms Field, will step away from the Chardonnay before going on social media again?
        
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        September 6, 2020 8:10pm
- Tall Man
  
  Diddums.
  
  I don’t like being called pakeha, boomer, pale stale and male, Gazza, rich prick and so on.
  
  Can David please amend the rules stopping people being mean to me?
  
  I don’t like New Zealand being called aotearoa either so how about we “ban” that as well.
  
  Simple solution for cindy, start acting like an adult before you get your “pimps” to complain about the consequences you receive for your actions and behaviours. Now piss off and do a little dance!
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:48am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Lining the pin up as you write, ready to be on with ah Mike, tomorrow morning.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:02am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Mike! Mike! Mike!
      
      (now picture the seagulls)
      
      http://www.quickmeme.com/img/a7/a7190f212de80e006753678d52b3dfc538a82b2afbcfc3830ce7a04e37f7b824.jpg
      
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      September 6, 2020 11:49am
  - fisho
    
    The general rule in real life is, if you are assigned a nickname you don’t like, don’t let on otherwise it will stick.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:21am
    - Flossie
      
      Wasn’t it just so cute when the woman was first elevated to her leadership of the NZ Labour Party that her boyfriend’s nieces called her Aunty Cindy? She seemed to like that well enough.
      
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      September 6, 2020 11:55am
  - kowtow
    
    Add “white supremacist” , institutionally racist , systemically racist etc which the Star of Our Media Pardy , Paddy Weeder Gower spent months trying to sniff out ala Blackadders’ Witchsmeller Pursuivant character ……..
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:57am
- chukar
  
  Right Gravelroad —- certainly a Party ( paid?) advertisement.
  
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  September 6, 2020 11:38am
- Scooter
  
  JA does seem to have alot of people who feel the need to defend her eg Willie Jackson, Trevor Mallard, Clarke Gayford. By doing this it’s judt demaning to her and shows they don’t think she can stick up for herself.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:05pm
Aunty

”There is limited evidence available to assess the accuracy and clinical utility of available COVID-19 tests.”

” They are relying on tests that, by the government’s own admission, are not reliable.”

That’s not what the above means. You are confusing the difference between evidence of absence with the absence of evidence. Best you stick to non-medical and scientific matters, me thinks.
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September 6, 2020 8:12am
- krazykiwi
  
  No, Aunty. That’s not what I’m “confusing” at all. You are, um, confused about that. The linked article does contain an assertion that I disagree with though, namely that serology tests are not good at picking up infections. They are, just not in the early stages (days 0-7). As for sticking to ‘non-medical and scientific matters’ I have a suggestion about ‘sticking’ … but not in polite company.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:31am
  - IC5000
    
    Maybe you should go back and have a look at what ‘absence of evidence’ actually means and it does not mean the test are unreliable it means we do not know if the tests are reliable or unreliable . There are many hills to die on here but this is clearly one where you do not know what you are talking about.
    
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    September 6, 2020 12:41pm
- Jimmy White
  
  There is evidence that the tests are picking up Dead virus cells however.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:49am
Happychappy

How co.e is it that senior Journalists and economists are now quite openly pressing the point that money is being thrown around without looking at the consequences of what it could mean in the future for several generations and Jacinda mania still rules as people regard her as the future for our country.
The punter deserves what it gets with the attitude that is being shown by the blindness that can’t see anyone apart from Jacinda Ardern, it is not Labour this is about one person.
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September 6, 2020 8:13am
- fisho
  
  Because there really is a large portion of the population who are genuinely stupid.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:22am
Observer of Life

Andrea Vance … cry me a river. Wah wah wah.
Cindy is totally incompetent in my view. She doesn’t act like a leader and I for one certainly do not have any respect for her. And it has nothing to do with her being a female.
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September 6, 2020 8:17am
- Albert_Ross
  
  And once again, by calling her Cindy you have made it easy for Labour to make the conversation about your lack of respect rather than about the Prime Minister’s competence. Which do you think they’d rather talk about and why are you helping them?
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:37am
- Tall Man
  
  Simple solution if you don’t want to be seen as a silly little girl, stop acting like one.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:41am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  64% in TV One Vote Compass agree that Cindy is the best manager for Covid crisis. Even among the clowns who are “National voters” only 48% support aunty Judith and 26% think Cindy is better equipped. Shame on this country. Let it get what it deserves.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Isn’t it amazing what you can get for $50M?
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:36am
  - Alex13
    
    If Covid crisis management is the only factor taken into consideration, I have no reason to believe that National would do it any better (or any worse for that matter) – never trust bureaucrats to accomplish anything that requires thought and competence.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:40am
Happychappy

When is kiwiblog going to get the edit button fixed as I am getting sick of being told to close when editing especially when it is straight after posting my message.
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September 6, 2020 8:18am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  delete is sporadic aswell.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:02am
  - softail 1450
    
    W P, when are they going to add a “delete SB2 button” for everybody to use ? nobody ever reads his dribble anyway.
    
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    September 6, 2020 11:22am
I remember when

Thank goodness you drew our attention to the ‘Cindy’ article.
Now we know what a deep, meaningful article, full of important information and facts looks like.
So no more ‘Crusher’!
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September 6, 2020 8:22am
KevO'Brien

The quality of testing revealed:
1.
https://www.rt.com/news/499944-coronavirus-test-dead-false-positive-exaggerate-pandemic/
2.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/499816-positive-covid-virus-contagious/

Dead virus fragments are being strengthened to give a reading of positive.

Where are sensible microbiologists when you need them?
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September 6, 2020 8:24am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes. And individual bodies ‘flush’ these viral RNA fragments a differing rates. No one knows why.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:41am
  - sooty
    
    Where did the Chrstchurch CCP Virus come from?
    Aucklanders traveling?
    
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    September 6, 2020 9:06am
    - GazzaW
      
      ……or could it have come via the border?
      
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      September 6, 2020 9:41am
      - sooty
        
        Yes they have their own inmates now so who knows, it may have jumped the fence!
        
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        September 6, 2020 10:23am
      - GazzaW
        
        There have been a number of longhaul international arrivals into Christchurch lately including Emirates and an Air India flight from Delhi via Fiji.
        
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        September 6, 2020 11:03am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      MoH has said that the Christchurch case has been investigated, and is no longer being treated as a case of Covid-19.
      
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      September 6, 2020 3:14pm
- Sigmund Freud
  
  Father: Look at her pink hair. She’s really cool.
  
  Son: Granny’s hair is blue.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:47am
- PaulDunmore
  
  NZ has performed 807,460 tests through Friday, and obtained 1,416 positive test results. Even if all of those were false positives (they are not!), the false positive rate would be a mere 1.8 per thousand tests, or 0.18%. So, even if it is true that the tests can pick up dead viruses (and Russia Today is hardly the authority), that happens very rarely.
  In the US, the positive test rate is steady at 5-6%. Even if their false positive rate was as high as 0.18%, the great majority of their positive results are true positives.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:57am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    compare the testing rates not the positives.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:04am
  - cmm
    
    When it comes to statistics then the following matter:
    1) Who gets tested? Are they random tests of self selected? Are people being tested when they have had contacts or just because they feel like it?
    2) What sort of tests? Antigen or antibody? They test very different things.
    
    The other thing is to consider what to benchmark against. This is the first time there has been huge population testing of this sort. There is nothing that we can compare with.
    
    For example, the sars-cov-2 tests will pick up the 80% or more of people who test positive but are asymptomatic. In previous events (eg. Spanish flu) there was no testing available only people that got symptoms were counted.
    
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    September 6, 2020 11:14am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  The pink haired one is ready to answer any questions. Lock them away and throw the key says the pink haired one.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:16am
- SB2
  
  rt Kremin Putin news ??
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:18am
oldpark

Heard the Control Freak Extraordinaire Ardern spinning out the same old “Fear Factor” again on Coronavirus Deaths . Yes people do die from lots of things . Probably a lot less from the Coronavirus. Case in point over 200 NZs have died this year from Road Deaths and Cancer Heart Disease Suicide etc etc . Seems there are a lot more votes in using the Coronavirus “Fear Factor” again and again and again .
Maybe she thinks she can fool all of NZs all of the time .Especially it was her “System” that failed badly at our Borders and allowed the Coronavirus
to make a comeback after 102 days. Yes in that time she big noted how she had almost single handle tamed the Coronavirus . She even clapped herself on the back virtually declaring. “Here is Me and Who is like Me “.
Now that the polls are closing up as well as NZs waking up to the “Fear Factor” being peddled out daily on the Coronavirus by her gang of ne’er do wells and her sycophants over cooking the threat to us all . Panic is setting in for her and her inept inane Party that there is more to the lives and well being of NZs than just the Coronavirus “FEAR FACTOR “. Even if her only running mate is the “Fear Factor Coronavirus Deaths”. Yes sadly Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. WTF.
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September 6, 2020 8:28am
- DeepBlue
  
  It was a perfect campaign for a 19 September election.
  
  How disappointing the double winter energy payment (bribe) ends 1 October.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:37am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Who cares? Even if Cindy is taking money from them, they will vote Labour. Do you see any anti poverty rallies organised by Sue Bradford??
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:17am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Bet you it is continued year round as a bribe
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:21am
  - Paulus
    
    Suggestions coming already it will be extended permanently.
    Got to bribe continually – then tax afterwards.
    
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    September 6, 2020 1:55pm
- Tall Man
  
  She’s playing to her audience and sadly that audience seems as thick as a brick.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:40am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Yes, looks like our collective IQ is less than that of a donkey.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:18am
- Unity
  
  I have a creepy feeling that the extension to the lock down and the failure to drop the Level 2 down to Level 1 has something to do with playing things out until close to the election and nothing to do with the virus!!. The Politicians can’t launch their campaigns properly under the current Levels. It will be a political decision and not a health one I’m sure.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:49am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    As Deep Blue noted above, the Winter Energy Payment now ends before the election, plus the June quarter GDP figure confirming we are in recession will be announced four weeks and two days before the election Instead of two days as was previously the case, the PREFU will paint a worse picture of the economy going forward, and unemployment will rise quickly with the end of the wage subsidy.
    
    There is no good economic news on the horizon, and that’s why the PM resisted delaying the election until Peters called her bluff.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:20am
    - sooty
      
      Just think of the dead cat bounce if cindy lets us all out a few days before the election. But then she misses the voters that go early. They miss out on the feelz of the 5 mill!
      
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      September 6, 2020 10:28am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      It will be interesting to see how they ‘doctor’ the numbers. I’m still laughing about the unemployment rate since covid reducing to 4%! This govt is ‘amazeballs’ to achieve such great things when everything is against them.
      
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      September 6, 2020 10:41am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        The good thing about the PREFU is that, because of the one month delay in the election, Treasury will completely re-do PREFU. Given that the economy is going backwards, that’s not going to be a pretty sight.
        
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        September 6, 2020 3:16pm
    - Paulus
      
      Her 5 million loving public do not even know what PREFU means as much as SNAFU so what does it matter.
      Called ignorant as pigshit and twice as thick !
      
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      September 6, 2020 1:58pm
Yvette

Kiwibuild, light rail, police numbers, trees, and doctor’s fees, unresolved providy … on and on …
But, if Labour looses Winston, the tail that wags it, will it still be a dog?
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September 6, 2020 8:39am
- Colville
  
  A dog without a tail is still a dog…
  
  Just like putting lipstick on a pig…its still a pig!
  
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  September 6, 2020 12:20pm
Simon

Atlantic hoax. No named sources. Who believes this?

If Creepy Joe was 12 pts ahead then they wouldnt need to run this garbage.

Russian truthers losing their shit.
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September 6, 2020 8:47am
- fernglas
  
  It has the ring of truth to it, to be honest, but as with most things to do with Trump, the truth is largely irrelevant.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:37am
  - Simon
    
    “It has the ring of truth to it” Your feelings in other words.
    
    I feel this has a ring of truth.
    
    No named sources. But feelings. Okay………….
    
    Biden is 12 pts ahead. You should be feeling good.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:22am
  - RJ
    
    How does it have a ring of truth to it when the President makes sure he or/and the Vice President are there every time the plane brings home dead soldiers? No other president has done that. This story exists for one reason and one only, he has such strong support amongst the military the demoncrats wanted to attack it, so far a few people with knowledge have gone on record that this didn’t happen, no one has gone on record that it is real.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:59am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.’
    
    WSC
    
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    September 6, 2020 11:18am
Flossie

Keep the families out of the campaign. And that includes the PM’s.
No cutsie kiddie pics or any information whatsoever about what is/was Fathers’ Day happenings etc.
Not even slightly interested thanks.
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September 6, 2020 8:53am
- Komata
  
  Flossie@0853
  
  Perhaps you’d better tell cindy that; she has form in the area of ‘using children’ to further her political ends…
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:45am
  - sooty
    
    iIf not her own, somebody else’s!
    
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    September 6, 2020 4:25pm
Ruawai

A suggestion for this blog would be to have a daily Trump general debate seperate from the daily general debate so if you are not interested in the debate between TDS and Trump supporters you can avoid it prevent it clogging up the general debate.
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September 6, 2020 9:06am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  if we werent blessed with cindy and trump kiwiblog would be dead or a knitting blog.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:18am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Nope, the perennial favourites would surface.
    
    Since covid, hardly a mention of Bain or Lundy, quite disappointing . . .
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:07am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Covid, cOvid, COvid – what about coooooovid?
    Ruawai – I agree with your comment above about separate Trump debate thread.
    How about same for the Covid fanatics?
    
    Will get my coat…………(it’s not a white one).
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:41am
- WaynelSexton
  
  What’s to debate? Trump is going to win in a landslide.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:43am
stewmar

I was gob smacked to read Andreas piece on Cindy!!!! Is Andrea the fricking thought police for gods sake???
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September 6, 2020 9:18am
- Tall Man
  
  “Thought” ….. You need working gray matter for that.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:38am
- Ruahine
  
  Andrea Vance is indeed part of the thought police team.
  It is called NZ Media.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:47am
  - gravedodger
    
    Bought and paid for with fifty million of dollars NZ does not have available.
    Vanity Vance and Toxic Tova as part of the leadership team for Labour Party publicity division.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:30am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Waddda yer mean? Dunne thought Vance was a masseuse with the happy end option, so who know what someone perceives?
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:09am
cas

The worst thing about being in level 2 ( with apologies to those who have lost businesses and staff who have lost their jobs) is that you can’t get chocolate dip icecreams when you go to the pictures. They are off till level 1.
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September 6, 2020 9:19am
rouppe

History seems to be repeating itself.

I remember someone telling me they got much richer under labour governments than national governments.
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September 6, 2020 9:20am
- peterwn
  
  That is right, unintended consequences sees to that. Various rich people (including Bob Jones on occasions) donate to Labour, Greens etc because they potentially provide money making opportunities. Never mind that it comes at the expense of people who have their savings in bank deposits, conservative Kiwisaver funds etc.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:35am
- Tall Man
  
  Those that “receive” the money generally spend it asap.
  
  Those of us that are a little more astute provide “opportunities” for those recipients to empty their wallets.
  
  Win win you could say.
  
  National did run tighter purse strings in most sectors but the infrastructure spends, both new and upgrading also provide “opportunity” for some. Some wopuld say our infrastructure costs are bloody exhorbitant although Fletchers and Fulton Hogan don’t seem to complain.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:36am
- lifesgood
  
  Would that be Bob Jones? He claims he has never voted National. That amazes me.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:43am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Bob Jones loves Labour governments. They rent all his commercial office space in Wellington on long-term leases.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:47am
  - sooty
    
    Anyone know what the increase in public sevanants are this term?
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:40am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m sure you will correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe any government departments occupy premises in RJH buildings.
    Of course, once upon a time the government owned its own office buildings, on the absurd rationale that it required very long-term accommodation. A wise government solved that problem long ago, by committing departments to very long leases with Government Property Services, and then selling all the buildings.
    
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    September 6, 2020 11:14am
    - Colville
      
      It doesnt mater which buildings the Govt go into its the total number that counts. The Wellington office space market is not very big and if you add another 1000 shiney arsed bureaucrats then it sucks up a lot of office space.
      My contracting company was doing a LOT of work in Wellington in the late Clark era, totally dysfunctional office space market with less than 3% vacancy… it wasnt possible for a large outfit to lease a new space and have the time to fit it out and transfer over in a rational manner , there just wanst enough empty space for that. So we did crazy contracts where (say) 5,000M2 of space was totally rebuilt (new everything including full AC systems) in 6 weeks and all the new gear put in for a changeover.
      I sold up and “retired” after that 🙂
      
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      September 6, 2020 12:34pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Min of Justice and Office of Ombudsman are in Solnet House.
      
      Local Government NZ and Tertiary Education Commission are in Lambton Centre.
      
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      September 6, 2020 1:55pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Good article and I avoided any thought of contributing to the Stuff begging kitty.
  
  If you read only one link from this blog today, this is a good one to start.
  
  ‘People who are trying to save for their retirement are finding few reliable investment opportunities, forcing them to gamble on alpaca farms and hoping that the value of the pension won’t be destroyed by the eventual inflation that is inevitably going to result from this debasement of our currency.’
  
  Good post roupee
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:16am
- SB2
  
  roupee, utter rot. The rich impoverished under John Key
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:27am
Maggie Pie

So, ZB are reporting that Countdown are to trial teaching their Check-Out Operators basic Sign Language, in order they can communicate with deaf customers who are now unable to lip read, due to Supermarket staff having to wear face masks.

Won’t they need to teach them how to speak English first?

Just saying.
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September 6, 2020 9:23am
- Ruahine
  
  I just luv it Maggie.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:48am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie when I say tinacoco the self service machine just replies ‘have you swiped your One Card?’ I have observed frustrated customers using sign language when the machine stalls.
  
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  September 6, 2020 9:52am
- tf78
  
  I didn’t realize deaf people are also blind and unable to see what’s on the shelves – unbelievably stupid idea I would have thought.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:15am
  - RJ
    
    Right because hearing and deaf people just buy what is in front of them, they don’t talk to the staff to ask about something. I’m guessing you don’t go grocery shopping very often
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:54am
    - Hollyfield
      
      Except the checkout operator is the last person you can ask for help finding a product. By the time you’re face to face with a checkout operator, you have a trolley load of stuff on the conveyor belt and a line of impatient people behind you. The place to ask for help finding a product is the customer service desk, which many supermarkets conveniently locate OUTSIDE the store away from customers needing help.
      That aside, any effort to improve customer service, including communicating with customers effectively, is a good thing.
      
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      September 6, 2020 2:08pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I do sign language.
  
  Like the Warrior shirted guy did for Tarrant while I am on the Auckland motorway
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:20am
- RJ
  
  That’s good, learned basic sign back in high school in the early 90s.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:55am
- IC5000
  
  > Won’t they need to teach them how to speak English first?
  
  Maybe their knowledge of English suddenly deteriorates when having to deal with certain kinds of customers.
  
  Just sayin
  
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  September 6, 2020 1:36pm
kowtow

With all the TDS going on and the Media Pardy obsessed with the “peaceful” antifa/blm riots in the US , our clots seem to have missed this ,from the Home Country.

” The Telegraph: Free to read
On Friday night, a group of extremists from Extinction Rebellion blockaded the printing plants where The Telegraph and other titles are produced.

Production of those newspapers was severely affected and many of our loyal readers were denied the opportunity to read the fine journalism that we produced.

Therefore we have made the decision that all Telegraph journalism published this weekend is now free to read on our website until Monday morning – and we have removed the paywall until then.”

Fill your boots, there’s some great stuff there.
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September 6, 2020 9:33am
- Miritu
  
  Many don’t appreciate the extreme level of MSM/Big Tech corruption and lies. Through her extensive research, author Sharyl Attkisson shines a much needed spotlight on this
  https://sharylattkisson.com/
  
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  September 6, 2020 7:15pm
rouppe

Indeed. Not to mention the regular use of “Keys” when using his surname. Andrea also seems unaware that “Bill” is already a contraction, as is “Jim”, “Rob” and “Mike”.

Guess that doesn’t suit the narrative.

It always amazes me that Andrew Vance can see for to lecture anyone on impropriety after what she did to Peter Dunne. Our host has euphemistically referred to it as “cultivating a source“. To me it looked a lot more like a honey trap, the trap being the ending of his career.
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September 6, 2020 9:36am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Dunne had a career? It appeared to be a prolonged suck at the public teat to me.
  
  Useless, fitted in with all the other useless bunts in that place, past and present.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:23am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    I voted for him twice. I didnt rate him as he was an invisible local MP. I voted for him so we could have 2 seats for the price of one under our very undemocratic version of MMP
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:59am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    If only Cindy and her mob had 1/10 of the commonsense that Peter Dunne has she wouldn’t need selection by Peters.
    
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    September 6, 2020 12:06pm
- sooty
  
  And he was as grateful as hell!
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:37am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  It cost him his seat, and probably swung the election.
  
  Vance is indeed a credit to her former paper.
  
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  September 6, 2020 11:56am
  - chukar
    
    Dunne lost control of the worm that put his party in originally.
    
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    September 6, 2020 9:41pm
Flossie

I remain puzzled – and annoyed – that the best panelist tvnz can come up with is Laila Harre. Her comment this morning that National is running a negative campaign…?? No example given.
She is so biased as to make any opinion she gives totally worthless.
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September 6, 2020 9:43am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Why do they give a regular panel spot to someone so far to the left?
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:05am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Because they can and, it suits their narrative.
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:24am
- bruceavon
  
  Yes. She seems to pop up everywhere at the moment. She should have zero credibility for hitching up with Dotcom.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:20am
  - sooty
    
    Arrh, the Star Trek lady!
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:35am
  - Swifty
    
    Every organisation she gets involved with either kicks her out or becomes destroyed.
    
    And her Twitter account is full of the bile the Left would be in uproar over if it was written by a Righty.
    
    But I can ignore all that. The single biggest reason I loathe her is that, like many other Lefties, she exists to gain political power purely to install herself as Party A and in a position to dictate what Party B (us) must do for Party C (her supporters).
    
    I loathe the woman.
    
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    September 6, 2020 12:20pm
- Catgurl13
  
  She also said that what happened with James Shaw and that Green School would not affect their popularity…….geeze what planet is this woman even on?…..she’s a tired old twit.
  
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  September 6, 2020 11:57am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    A mistake of similar magnitude by National would see Harre crying from the rooftops that its the final nail in the coffin etc.
    
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    September 6, 2020 12:44pm
Flossie

Looks like Winston has totally lost the plot!
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September 6, 2020 9:45am
Humble Capitalist

Peters’ interview with ‘James’ Tame this morning on Q+A is a must watch if you havent seen it. I recommend stocking up heavily on popcorn before watching. It reminded me so much of the Muldoon interview when he loses it for being blindsided.
I found myself agreeing with Tame that Peters is a corrupt, greasy slimeball. I found myself agreeing with Peters that TVNZ is a biased state funded media that misuse tax payer money to constantly pish their agenda.
Winnie was getting really shirty and kept calling Jack ‘James’. He also pulled out some of his favourite one liners such as ‘Philadelphia Lawyer’ and ‘not going to fight an unarmed opponent.’
Come in Winston Raymond Peters your slippers and fishing rod are calling you.
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September 6, 2020 9:45am
- Flossie
  
  He also called Jack “Dylan” at one point I thought?
  And he looked bad as well.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:09am
  - sooty
    
    His slippers and fishing pole are not calling as much as the whiskey bottle!
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:34am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      Not having much luck weaning himself off like he did the fags by the looks of things
      
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      September 6, 2020 10:55am
    - softail 1450
      
      [Nah to you too – leave politicians’ families out of your snide comments. Close to being banned too.
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy
      
      Mod.]
      
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      September 6, 2020 12:01pm
- Lance
  
  I agree about Winston being dodgy.
  However I agree with Winston the ‘James’ is a backstabbing little shit. He misleads those coming on, then talks over the top of any interviewee that doesn’t form part of the far left.
  Tame is a biased and overt lefty without a shred of credibility.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:26am
  - fernglas
    
    Yes, I didn’t know who to feel the least sorry for.
    
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    September 6, 2020 11:48am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Being biased against Peters is almost proper. Peters is plainly finished and has already had 6 years too long.
    The SFO report is awaited.
    
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    September 6, 2020 12:10pm
- Catgurl13
  
  It was an epic fail by Winston….his cheese has really slipped off his cracker lol!!!
  
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  September 6, 2020 11:58am
Maggie Pie

It’s like i’ve always said, “If you have nothing nice to say, Tweet it”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfZN5spUEAE6LcY?format=jpg&name=medium

BoL!!!
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September 6, 2020 10:04am
- Inandout
  
  Oh Golly Gosh Maggie..
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:09am
  - sooty
    
    Ain’t you lucky! Come on tell us what you did to upset her, so all of us can do the samething!
    
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    September 6, 2020 10:31am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Well that’s the thing Soots. It wasn’t even anything personal. I just said that i find her boyfriend about as funny as a fart in a lift.
      
      Nek minnit……
      
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      September 6, 2020 10:50am
      - Catgurl13
        
        Same for the rest of NZ…..he is just so cringe!!!
        
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        September 6, 2020 11:59am
      - softail 1450
        
        M P, Wasn’t she quite sick a couple of months back ,has the sympathy FEEELZ dried up maybe?
        
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        September 6, 2020 12:11pm
      - cmm
        
        She doesn’t want to think about how had he is. He’s going to be the bread winner in few weeks…
        
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        September 6, 2020 2:25pm
      - sooty
        
        She’s gunna go hungry!
        
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        September 6, 2020 4:36pm
- SB2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  It would not be hard to the know the kind of people who try to post Golriz Ghahraman vindictive and nasty abuse on her fb page etc
  
  Including those on KB.
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:22am
  - softail 1450
    
    SB2, someones going to get sick of your bile one day and come around and confiscate your mouth pointer SB ,how will you operate your PC then ?
    
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    September 6, 2020 11:14am
    - Swifty
      
      I would wager that he has been banned from here for vindictive and nasty abuse more times than anyone else who currently posts here – but here he is again having a go at others he reckons are guilty of it, like he’s some sort of white knight.
      
      There’s a word for people who behave like that.
      
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      September 6, 2020 12:11pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Three cheers for Stephieboy – hyp, hyp, hypocrisy!
        
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        September 6, 2020 3:19pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    You post here.
    
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    September 6, 2020 12:11pm
Humble Capitalist

Peters called Jack Tame ‘a junior trying to play Billy The Kid’ among other things this morning.
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September 6, 2020 10:20am
tom hunter

Day 100 of DPF not bothering to show any video of Biden’s dementia.

Plus he’s missed the whole shitstorm of Pelosi’s visit to a hair salon.. It’s got everything:
– double standards on following rules on maskes, business closures to “fight” COVID-19.
– hypocrisy on a grand scale, along Marie Antoinette lines.
– Pelosi claiming the salon owner “set me up”
– The salon owner, a single mum with two kids whose business has been shuttered for 6 months now, forced to get out because of a Social Media hate tsunami by the Left as they defend Pelosi by attacking the owner, who has probably voted a straight Dem ticket all her voting life in San Francisco.

Oh – and all the riots and looting courtesy of BLM/Antifa.

But nothing on all this from Kiwiblog.

Fortunately these US stories are being covered here at No Minister.
🙂
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September 6, 2020 10:25am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hey tom, there’s a whole Trump thread at the moment where you could blather on about the terrible, terrible haircut scandal…
  
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  September 6, 2020 11:28am
- Lance
  
  So that is like when Hilary was dying in 2016 and how NZ is a hellhole of rampant Covid 19?
  
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  September 6, 2020 11:45am
chukar

Great game of Rugby between North and South last night!
But for the viewers sake can’t the panel afterwards please forget themselves and just address the game?
Their intro was appalling so self ,self , I did not see the rest.
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September 6, 2020 10:28am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Was Laila Harre on the post match panel? Her match tactics would involve positioning the left winger so wide that he/zhe is in the 22nd row of the grandstand
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:51am
Brian McDonald

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
I see the children are discussing name-calling again, oh dear.
Meanwhile where has Gerry gone? I get the impression that in the heat of the ‘take over’ of the National Parliamentary leadership on offer was the prize that Gerry would be deputy. No one appears to have a ‘hold on’ moment while it was thought about, now Gerry has become almost as invisible as Kelven after entertaining folks with deep questions and raising his eyebrows.
So what is left? From polling on TV1 last night the PM is ahead of JC by I think it was 62 to 28%. Hard to say that would or would not be narrower if Shane Reti had been deputy or higher because at a time when highest interest is in Covid he is highly informed – he has left those National members formerly on the Covid committee in his wake and did it without trying to punch below the belt.
The question is why was that not recognized earlier, how come no one put their finger on that point? Was it because National is not about the caucus and the party, but about ‘me,’ and what I did when ‘what’s his name’ was replaced.
Compare that to just over 3 years ago when the unpopular Little stepped aside and JA took over in an electric atmosphere among the young and middle NZers.
Is the answer that JC is too long in politics and her ship has sailed? Or is it ageism? Possibly not when considering the ages of Simon and Paula.
I think to answer that question is too look at the party leadership rather than the parliamentary leadership – “Merv,” and Goodfellow. The later seem to have their fingerprints and tiredness over every cock up this year.
It has to be said that the Labour President took no time in leaving over the most recent “sex” scandal, one in the fullness of time was incapable of fully holding water.
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September 6, 2020 10:30am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Gerry is National’s campaign manager. I know with a large degree of certainty he is doing huge hours behind the scenes managing 60-plus electorate contests in conjunction with local campaign managers, and coordinating National’s Party Vote strategy.
  
  The only reason Judith Collins isn’t drawing big crowds to campaign events is because she’s not allowed to. She’s limited to ten people in Auckland, and 100 elsewhere. You’ll see the crowds turn up when/if we go back to Alert Level One.
  
  In the meantime, Collins has released a number of policies this week including education and child health announcements, and there are plenty more where those ones came from. The party is in great heart, and the delay in the election date combined with Covid restrictions has played into the Opposition’s hands.
  
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  September 6, 2020 11:16am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The restrictions are essentially political in aid of the waving arms and mouth campaign. Ardern is worn out and had to pay $50M to journalists to keep Judith Collins, the Crusher, at bay.
    
    The rules of electioneering this season are in free fall.
    ☑️☑️Sound and able. The Doesdo Team.☑️☑️
    
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    September 6, 2020 12:23pm
- Philview
  
  The Jacinda vs Judith question is meaningless as the survey is inviting comparision between how Jacinda handled a crisis and how Judith would have handled it. No one knows how Judith would have gone but we like to think she would have done it well.
  
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  September 6, 2020 2:02pm
- Paulus
  
  Carpe Diem !
  live for the day Cindy you gonna need it.
  
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  September 6, 2020 2:07pm
Brian McDonald

Being slight rugby obsessed I thought that final Super game of the season the Blues v Crusaders was possibly going to be the best rugby since the world cup.
Although we will never know the comparison the North, South game was a classic in the absence of the “unofficial” final where the Crusaders may have even decided to wager the trophy on the outcome.
Last nights game reminded me again of the question of why “shag” did not play Ben Smith in the AB’s semi at the last WC. Both fullbacks excelled last night but hard to say Ben was never a match or even better than them as he showed in his last AB’s game and many before that.
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September 6, 2020 10:39am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  I thought Djokovic had a sound game having recovered from his COVID a couple of months back. However the way Medvedev chimed in from fullback he looks like a gland slam winner in waiting
  
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  September 6, 2020 10:48am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Thinking about the game – Nobody watched it LIVE. Thanks Cindy.
  
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  September 6, 2020 11:12am
BAM

When National eventually gets back in they need to get rid of both RNZ, TVNZ and massively cut NZ on air funding.
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September 6, 2020 11:05am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  May be in 2026 or 2029.
  
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  September 6, 2020 11:18am
wimpston peeeders

wonder what will be said at the podium of truth about this? Why no elaboration yesterday?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/case-under-investigation-in-canterbury-managed-isolation-ministry-of-health/ar-BB18JqDm

what happened to including probable cases? Im hoping its a community case and we get a spread underway 🙂
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September 6, 2020 11:08am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  The sheeple will support an immediate L4 lockdown without any hesitation.
  
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  September 6, 2020 11:19am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    as much as I like your sacastic take in everything I think thats likely the truth 🙁
    
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    September 6, 2020 11:51am
- Ruawai
  
  Why are there no cases in any managed isolation facilities outside of Auckland? Bit strange, are they testing? Do they only send cases to these facilities once tested negative? Are they using different tests?
  
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  September 6, 2020 1:46pm
  - HeatherW
    
    This month (Sep) there have been 6 reported positive cases in Christchurch, 2 in Rotorua and 1 in Wellington MIQs. Details in media releases on MOH Covid19 website.
    
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    September 6, 2020 3:51pm
- DeepBlue
  
  False alarm – Illness is not COVID
  
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  September 6, 2020 6:38pm
oldfella

Was I dreaming, or did one of the media sites (Stuffed or Horrid) run a story yesterday about a local headmaster (Porirua, I recall) complaining how his school was a damp, mouldy, unhealthy mess. And asking the PM if she would send Neave to such a terrible school.
Now I’d have thought that it was a good story, worth following up, worth getting a reaction from the PM. But… can’t find it today.
Anyone know if it was dropped down the rabbit hole for obvious reasons?
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September 6, 2020 11:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s still up on the DomPost site
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/122644266/would-the-pm-send-neve-herethe-sodden-horror-of-a-decile-1-school
  
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  September 6, 2020 11:56am
  - oldfella
    
    Thanks, MW. Still a good story that really needs a response from the PM after she’s been challenged on it by a local journalist.
    What’s that Vance woman doing these days…?
    
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    September 6, 2020 12:27pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The school has had an appalling history of neglect (in numerous ways)…
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11606165#:~:text=The%20Ministry%20of%20Education%20today,educator%20Keriana%20Tawhiwhirangi%20as%20commissioner.
      It’s been under a Commissioner since 2016.
      
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      September 6, 2020 1:23pm
  - RJ
    
    No silly, Neve will be going to United Nations International School
    
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    September 6, 2020 1:39pm
I remember when

Why is there always such an outcry and raucous demand for those who are trying to maintain law and order to be held to account?
Is it because they have no rights, other than those according to the relevant legislation?
No personal rights, no allowances for error, no acceptance of procedural mistakes, no angry voices or emotional outbursts.
How many people have to make decisions under the sort of mental, physical and public pressure that law and order personnel do?
They didn’t make the laws – they only have to try to interpret how they were intended to be applied.
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September 6, 2020 11:40am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump parades – several boats sink. Inexperience, or just too rough?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/09/05/several-boats-sink-pro-trump-parade-lake-travis-texas/5730749002/
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September 6, 2020 11:45am
softail 1450

Steve Otto, “two boats sink” Who the hell invited ‘pedo Joe” and “heels up Harris” ?
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September 6, 2020 11:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Joe would only go if there’s kids to sniff, and Horizontal Harris would only go if the launch had a double bed
  
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  September 6, 2020 1:57pm
Catgurl13

Gosh Winston really made a complete fool.of himself today on Q&A. It was hilarious as he was getting more flustered by the minute. He called jack two different names several times. He refused to answer anything he was asked which made him look so guilty. Winston’s time is truly up, his cheese has slipped off his cracker!!!
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September 6, 2020 12:05pm
- surfing
  
  Jack Tame makes winston look like the junior throwing the tantrum.
  
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  September 6, 2020 12:47pm
surfing

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300098580/the-moneyprinting-programme-helping-the-rich-get-richer

I’m inclined to go with the theory that money printing is simply inflating house and asset prices — ie, enriching those who already have money.

Surely if they are going to print money, it would be better just to share it with everyone, including the poor.

I totally oppose money printing, but, since they are doing it they should at least distribute it fairly.
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September 6, 2020 12:43pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  money printing benifits the rich by devaluing their debt through devaluing our dollar.
  that 200mil loan may only cost 150mil in future equivilent meaning a 50mil windfall (example)
  
  same for housing but thats smaller scale
  
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  September 6, 2020 1:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The left know nothing about money. The difference between a billion and a trillion is three zeros – oh fuck it, not worth the explanation
    
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    September 6, 2020 1:59pm
Humble Capitalist

12 mill for crystal planting weirdos, 50 mill for Pike River, but sorry we cant help you to a young family needing the possibility of taking their 2 year old son to Aussie for a life saving heart transplant
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September 6, 2020 12:50pm
Humble Capitalist

Dad’s Day and I’m like the Comrade Ardern of the household. I could crap on the carpet and set the place on fire and I’d still be the hero around here.
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September 6, 2020 12:51pm
- RJ
  
  Awww, you’re home alone.
  
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  September 6, 2020 1:36pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Woof! Woof!
  
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  September 6, 2020 1:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mother’s Day is 9 months after Father’s Day
  
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  September 6, 2020 2:00pm
JibberJabber

Stay Classy Labour voters,

https://twitter.com/Proggie76/status/1302244427671379969
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September 6, 2020 1:15pm
- herb1
  
  Her Napier Caci FB page starting to get some negative comments
  
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  September 6, 2020 2:53pm
  - RJ
    
    No doubt caci headoffice will get complaints too, lol. Stupid woman.
    
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    September 6, 2020 6:47pm
    - Inandout
      
      I was going to get my wife a Cacci voucher for her birthday; thank goodness I read this first.
      
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      September 6, 2020 7:58pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  What a nice lady! A “beautician” too! So Judith Collins is a “white shit of a wife” and David is a “chinese ****”
  
  Well. Waiting for Andrea to get right on Rebecca’s case!
  
  …………. tic……………………….toc…………….
  
  I guess this is why angry white women should avoid alcohol and social media? It seems to bring out the best in them!
  
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  September 6, 2020 3:09pm
lifesgood

Oh my, I’ve just watched Jack Tame interviewing Peters on Q & A. What a train wreck!! However, despite my loathing for Peters I think that Jack Tame is just a jumped up, despicable, lefty. I wouldn’t mind if he interviewed everyone that way but with Cindy it’s all “Oh you are so lovely, oh you are so wonderful, your response is fantastic, we love you PM” blah, blah, blah. I have to agree with Peters on this one, Tame is a disgrace to journalism. Peters looked mighty rough, I have to say.
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September 6, 2020 1:39pm
- Prince
  
  Call him by his proper name (apparently !), James.
  Jack is so demeaning and doll-like.
  
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  September 6, 2020 3:02pm
Philview

I finally did the TVNZ Compass survey today. Interesting to see that the centre of politics goes straight through the Labour Party policy and my own views are considered “Far Right”. I find that odd as I don’t have any issues whatsoever with immigration or ethnicity. I do not believe at all in race based policy which it seems to make me “Far Right”. Someone had better supply TVNZ with a dictionary. It is obvious this survey is rigged.
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September 6, 2020 1:51pm
- Inandout
  
  Phil, now that the BBC has been de-funded and re-organised by a new head who hopes to bring more balanced opinions, perhaps TVNZ will get the message. The government’s $50 million will disappear if they get re-elected, job done usefull fools, bye.
  
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  September 6, 2020 7:55pm
Rusty

Some journo in one of the sunday papers thinks its insulting to call our PM “Cindy” because it makes her look like a little girl.

She then names other NZ PMs who never had there first names abbreviated or nicknamed in a way to make them look bad.

Wonder why she didn’t mention Judith Collins nickname “Crusher” as being derogatory ?
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September 6, 2020 2:03pm
SB2

Who attended this and other protests this weekend?

“Covid 19 coronavirus: Hundreds turn out for anti-lockdown protests”

“It’s against lockdown and it’s about our freedom to be able to choose if we want vaccinations, if we want 5G and if we want to be in lockdown,” Verhagen said…”

“It’s only the flu season, there’s no need for lockdowns, there’s no need for masks. People are actually killing themselves by wearing masks because they’re breathing in their own toxins.

“[The Government] just want us all sick, that’s why they’re asking us to do it, to become more sick. If masks work, why do we need to be two metres apart? I haven’t taken medicine for 30 years and we’re healthy people, we don’t take vaccinations and we filter our water.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12362504

The rent a crank demo!
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September 6, 2020 2:39pm
- RJ
  
  Yet according to you COVID is nothing to worry about, it is just another flu and anyone who says otherwise is Fear mongering and scaring people. So by your own posts then people shouldn’t be lockdown because this is a nothing virus.
  
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  September 6, 2020 3:03pm
Honorary Kiwi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9D8qmGjki8&frags=pl,wn

I have been watching Lockdown TV from Unherd since April. These are 30 minute interviews from across the spectrum of thinking on the matter of the Pandemic. Anders Tegnell and Ferguson have been interviewed. This one with Devi Sridhar, Chair of Global Public Health at the University of Edinburgh demonstrates that if you have a proper discourse you can really shed some light on how rigourous the logic behind peoples thinking and policy ideas are. I found it interesting that she is labelled as a Progressive Interventionalist who is seeking ZeroCovid and yet doesn’t believe in Lockdown.

I have noticed an increasing number of Kiwi’s are chiming in with their frustrations to these seqeunce of interviews (comments on this one are switched off) and feel the worldview that New Zealand has ‘got it right’ is more nuanced than is presented.

I thought you might be interested.
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September 6, 2020 2:55pm
Philview

I had a flashback to when the Left wing activists were burning effigies of John Key. Jacinda has had it easy.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/key-effigy-burner-lashes-out-at-pm-2014081216
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September 6, 2020 3:11pm
- Prince
  
  Yes but they used his proper name. It was ‘Fuck John Key’, not Johnny, John-boy, Jack-the-lad or any other demeaning nickname.
  Full respect for our Prime Minister.
  
  And then there was the lovely Tom Scott song about killing John Key and ****ing his daughter Miss Key. Again, respectfully using their proper names. Jacinda was a big fan and you can see why.
  
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  September 6, 2020 8:51pm
greenfinger

When you have to get your cheerleader left wing media to moan about being called Cindy, you know the person is more worried about her image than the country.
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September 6, 2020 4:16pm
Tauhei Notts

Those distraught people from William Avenue, Manurewa; are they eligible for whanau support?
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September 6, 2020 5:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

91%, oh shit,
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-91-chance-winning-second-213913320.html
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September 6, 2020 5:06pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122676734/man-claims-he-was-beaten-by-contractor-over-ute-blocking-driveway-dispute
Ahh, Christchurch.
Foggy, flattened and feral.
Don’t you just love that place.
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September 6, 2020 5:24pm
- hookerphil
  
  As Miles Davies used to say on Sports Radio “City of the Dammed” and yes I agree. Murders, Shootings, Earthquakes on a continual basis.
  I have left but still in Canterbury.
  
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  September 6, 2020 7:13pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122681672/armed-robbers-hit-hamilton-kebab-shop

God Almighty, the hardcore crims in Hamilton really know which businesses to target !
After weeks of planning, hundreds of phone calls, countless meetings at dead of night in furtive places, organised thefts of motor vehicles and cellphones to cover-up their activities, these twits then go and rob a KEBAB SHOP !
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September 6, 2020 6:45pm
- sooty
  
  Yep, a bed of cash lying around in them kebab shops. Never heard of eftpos there!
  
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