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Tony Stuart

I think it’s safe to say that Gregor Paul won’t be getting Christmas cards from the PM and Sports Minister this year. His Herald piece is entitled “How self-destructive government cost NZ Rugby Championship”:

Central to the plot in both episodes was inflexibility and stubbornness – a near irrational and self-destructive refusal to accept that compromise is not weakness.

What’s different in the Rugby Championship saga is that the lead character, chief villain if you like, is the New Zealand Government rather than the New Zealand Rugby Union.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12364259

Jacinda Ardern yesterday blamed “Sanzaar politics” for the decision, but the truth is there for all to see. Sanzaar CEO Andy Marinos rejected Ardern’s comment, and Paul has nailed it in this column.
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December 12, 2019 8:08am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Fascinating story. I see Stuff has tried to bury it as hard as they can. But they are leading with hort sector crisis because the government won’t let fruit pickers in.
  
  Another crack in the facade of the most caring prison gulag in the world?
  
  Hey, New Zealand, this is what happens when you let the Karens and Woke Scolds take control!
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:12am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    This one was on the Herald site, but Stuff also has a critical opinion-piece today; here ’tis:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300104417/aussies-get-last-laugh-as-nz-rugby-denied-chance-to-host-rugby-championship
    
    But yes, I had to go looking for it!
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:35am
    - oldpark
      
      Yes Tony . $1 worth “Stuff ” put the Clusterfuck Rugby betrayal by Ardern and Robertson on the back Page of their Paper. Seems they put a story about Bullying on the front page . Should have been other way around . Sadly a Compliant Stuff almost bankrupt rag will refrain from any hint of Criticism of the Peters Selected PM and her band of also rans and no hopers .
      
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      September 12, 2020 9:00am
    - Prince
      
      The ‘Sanza politics’ excuse was rejected by the NZ Rugby boss and the Sanza boss. It was simply a matter of the best bid.
      I don’t expect anyone to ask Ardern to front up with evidence, or even exactly what politics she was referring to. It’ll be swept under the carpet.
      
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      September 12, 2020 9:54am
      - Nickc2
        
        Sweep it under Cindy’s carpet? Doubt it. There’s no space left under there. There are still Materia Tyrei, a Labour kiddy fiddling deviot, an accused Labour rapist, a few devious Shane Jones slush fund deals and a few pre-drafted obfuscation spin scripts to be strutted out for Winston P occupying parking space under that carpet.
        
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        September 12, 2020 1:33pm
  - Simon
    
    Yep the general public in time will come to understand the response to the Wuhan Flu was a disproportionate shambles.
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:51am
    - Ruawai
      
      The Ministry of Health and Government have lost sight of why they impose restrictions. The only restrictions that should be enforced are those that restrict the spread of the virus, all other restrictions should be removed. Give a set of guidelines such as social distancing, limit on the number of people indoors etc and let businesses and people decide the best way to apply them safely for themselves, staff and customers.
      
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      September 12, 2020 9:47am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      This is clear proof that Labour’s idiotic catchphrase “the best health response is the best economic response” is just that – an idiotic catchphrase.
      
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      September 12, 2020 11:18am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Buried on the home page…
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:00am
- peterwn
  
  Herald may also miss out on a slice of Labour’s $50M media slush fund.
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:23am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I don’t think they actually got that much anyway. Most of it went to broadcast media.
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:33am
    - niggly
      
      Mind you they are all still waiting for the “sequel” (so will keep deflecting for the CoL)!
      
      On a serious note what happened to MSM/NZ Rugby “chatter” amongst themselves when writing up other stories … did the hardlined attitude of the govt message not get out to the MSM or did they ignore/cover up for as long as they could (until the whole thing exploded)?
      
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      September 12, 2020 11:38am
- slightlyrighty
  
  There is simply too much of a Cover My Arse mentality in th ehealth ministry. Too much of a dictatorial approach where the health department doesn’t see that it’s purpose is not to tell us how to live.
  
  Sanzaar said, “We want to do this”
  
  The health department should have said, “If you want to do this, your people will have to do these things”
  
  What they said was, “No, you cant do this, you have to do this other thing, which doesn’t take your requirements into account at all”.
  
  If there is any benefit to losing the Rugby Championship, it is a great illustration of the downside to an over-reaction to the Pandemic, which, as we are becoming aware, is going to be with us for some time.
  
  What has happened to the NZRFU, and the various Hospo outlets that would have benefitted, is happening to our economy.
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:38am
  - Ruawai
    
    I think the Ministry of Health and Government have lost sight of why there are restrictions in place. Restrictions should only be specific to reducing the spread of Covid and everything else should be permitted again. Give people the guidelines such as social distancing, no large indoor gatherings etc then let people and businesses decide how to apply the rules.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:30am
- Gravelroad
  
  T.S: Well, I guess this was a calculated strategy – having whipped up Covid19 hysteria amongst a large proportion of our population, the choice was easy:
  Upset rugby fans, players and Union?
  Or upset the the confirmed legions of voters who won’t stand for any relaxation of covid restrictions presided over by Ms Ardern and the saintly Dr?
  I can see why the Labour Party made this choice – there’s a covid election to win.
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:44am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yep, even though Cindy herself said, looking right down the camera, that she had never, ever, ever, made a political decision about COVID. That was shortly after she declared that this was a COVID election.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:38am
- GazzaW
  
  Gregor Paul’s views have been echoed by Brett Impey in the Herald this morning.
  
  I think Jacinda has vastly underrated the passion that Kiwis have for their rugby. Could this issue develop into a real game changer?
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:45am
  - TWEEDSE
    
    Sadly even this will not be a game changer for the sheep heard that is the average New Zealander these days.
    
    There are none so blind as those who will not see.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:34am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It isn’t just the rugby, we can still get to see it on TV.
    
    It’s the economic boost that hospitality and related businesses would have received, even just the ones that hosted the squads and accompanying entourages.
    
    That, and the complete ineptness of this clueless ideological naive government of fools.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:41am
    - GazzaW
      
      It’s more than the rugby and the economic boost it was an unmissable opportunity for Kiwis to have a month of fun and socialising pre and post-match and celebrating our national game. A mini World Cup. We’ve had enough of the bad times this year.
      
      This will hurt Labour badly.
      
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      September 12, 2020 9:53am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        “This will hurt Labour badly” – This is the best joke in a while.
        
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        September 12, 2020 12:17pm
    - DeepBlue
      
      It was also hope. Hope for a return to normality, hope that systems at the border could cope and be flexible enough to allow for a future where we can prosper.
      
      This decision confirms Labour want to chorale ‘the people’ into the lowest common dominator, as one homogenous group. All to follow Jacinda’s rules from her pulpit.
      
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      September 12, 2020 10:25am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    To be honest, I think the tide went out on rugby a while ago. Over 50s maybe are still interested, but the under 40s? not so sure.
    
    That said, in the Maori and PI demographics – and the workers in hospo, this may be an issue.
    
    But the Karens are safe! Sitting in their ‘burbs, tut tutting about the world, while knitting each other facemasks.
    
    All is well. Thank Cindy!
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:52am
    - tom hunter
      
      Over 50s maybe are still interested, but the under 40s? not so sure.
      
      I’m sure. Of my kids and all of their friends not one has any interest in rugby, including even the All Blacks. In fact they have little interest in watching sport, aside from those who play on teams, and they are definitely a minority at my youngest’s rather large public school.
      
      The discussion are around the online worlds they live in, even the ones who play sport.
      
      And talk to people at Rugby clubs, even ones like the famous Ponsonby, which can struggle with U-19 and U-21 teams. It’s different out in the countryside, but their numbers just don’t stack up compared to the urban world.
      
      I think Rugby, Cricket and other mainstream sports are in for a hell of a shock over the next twenty years as the “old farts” now in the 50’s, with memories of 1970’s and 80’s televised, free-to-air rugby and the stories of our fathers, age into rest homes and die off. Not to mention that we will become of declining interest to advertisers, who, as always, will shift their dollars to whatever interests the middle-aged prime earners.
      
      And there’s also the fact that even someone like me who would never have dreamed of missing an All Black test on TV, now watches only infrequently.
      
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      September 12, 2020 11:41am
      - Mike
        
        Too true. Although the game is still in fair shape – it is not the all-consuming national passion that it was in the days when I could not do without the Rugby News.
        
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        September 12, 2020 12:06pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Instinctive bullies always take a firm position–thought is irrelevant to an agendered process.
  Get the COL out NOW, while we still have a chance.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:07am
  - Swifty
    
    I can’t help but think that if this occurred when Key was in power then he and his team would have made this happen.
    
    I believe we too quickly forget how the wins just kept coming when he was around.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:44am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Have we forgotten how the Labour Government helped screw us out of RWC co hosting rights in 2003?
      
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      September 12, 2020 10:30am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Much as I can’t stand Labour, that was entirely the work of a couple of incompetents at the Rugby Union.
        
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        September 12, 2020 11:20am
      - Mike
        
        That was completely down to the NZRFU’s incompetence.
        
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        September 12, 2020 12:07pm
      - sooty
        
        Never mind Raelene Castle will sort them out when she comes on board!
        
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        September 12, 2020 2:25pm
- Bob
  
  The Sports Stadiums will be required in the future- post 17 Oct 2020 – for the ‘compulsory to attend’ rallies of devotion to Dear Leader to hear her ‘words of wisdom’; unless the NZ voting population wake up before Postal voting begins in early October,
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:20am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Try to be consistent Tony only 3 weeks ago you were laying it on and beside yourself about a suspected Covid border breach. Had the Rugby Championship been held here and there was a similar concern you would have been the first to fall off your perch.
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:27am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Brian. The concern of the Border Breach was due to mismanagement on the part of the Health Department. Simply Put, the MOH have no idea what the hell is actually going on, and, combined with the COL, are simply making things up as they go along. The Pandemic is simply not being managed as well as it could be.
    
    Many of us, myself included, beleive that better management at the border, early on in the pandemic, might have spared the economic back burning that has happened. The level 4 lockdown, and eradication strategy has been shown to be pie in the sky, and the lack of testing at the border has allowed the flare up to happen again.
    
    I have close contact with what has been happening on the front line at the border. What I know might surprise some of you, and might also illustrate just how inept the MOH bureaucracy has been in failing to make sure the front line is adequately resourced, and our borders properly protected.
    
    We have had people at the end of their quarantine mingling with those at the start, and sharing cigarettes. There have been lack of wellness checks, resulting in suicide attempts. One person has been through managed isolation, at the taxpayers expense, on 3 seperate occasions.
    
    Mismangement has consequences, both at a health and an economic level, and the MOH and COL have got it wrong on both counts.
    
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    September 12, 2020 10:41am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You mention consistency Brian. So does Gregor Paul, and he makes an excellent point. How quickly we have forgotten the more-than-100-strong cluster at the Marist College in Auckland.
    
    Here’s what Gregor Paul says:
    
    And who honestly could argue against 25 being an arbitrary number? It feels awfully like another of the many numbers scientists have seemingly plucked from the ether since Covid arrived.
    
    The fact that the Government were willing to budge from their initial insistence of a maximum of 10, to 15 last week to 25 on the eve of the decision being made, only enhanced the sense the numbers were not rational or scientific. So why bother with them at all?
    
    To infuriate further is the contradiction and inconsistency. Every day we have legal, super-spreader events when thousands of schoolchildren congregate, breathing and spluttering in each other’s faces in overcrowded classrooms.
    
    Many teenagers, as every parent knows, don’t have the highest regard for personal hygiene or good health protocol. High performance sports teams, on the other hand, are highly practised at hand-washing and best health practice as they live in constant fear of any virus ripping through them.
    
    They travel with a doctor, are regularly tested and constantly monitored and yet the Government is warning parents they must send their children back to school while they put a limit on how many professional athletes can gather at one time.
    
    Now, who’s being inconsistent here?
    
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    September 12, 2020 11:42am
  - niggly
    
    Comrade, Jacinda tells me that the boarders are safe because she went hard and fast and early and whatever else the prepared script bullet points say so there … so luckily Jacinda reassures me that such a breech won’t happen so no perches will be harmed!
    
    (And according to UMR 89% of the people and 99% of the MSM agree with her)!
    
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    September 12, 2020 11:48am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Boarders are the folk who rent your spare room. Borders are what you cross when going from one country to another.
      Sorry I have to keep pointing this out.
      And a breech is part of a gun. A breach is a failure (in this context) of border rules.
      
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      September 12, 2020 4:37pm
      - niggly
        
        Yikes! I’ll peel the spuds as punishment again, Captain!
        
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        September 12, 2020 8:22pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Sorry bros. Sheeple don’t care. All they care about and worry about is Covid-19. Cindy can do anything to stop COVID and she has the support of Sheeple. Who cares about the Rugby championship. #sheeplelivematter
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:56am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I’ve been out mixing with people (and sheeple) this morning SCS, and the bad news for Jacinda Ardern is that people DO care.
    
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    September 12, 2020 11:44am
    - niggly
      
      Labour have screwed up big time – Jacinda’s credibility has taken a hit …
      
      Again it shows the CoL are “useless” … too much leaving/ignoring to the health officials to sort out (but they are acting as per instructed so using the jackboot as mandated by the politicians … Labour MP’s clearly tone death to (NZR) reasoning and unwilling to negotiate with health officials, just hopeless Robbo, Megan, Cindy and Chippie!
      
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      September 12, 2020 11:52am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Tony bro – You must be mixing with the 28% losers still supporting National.
      
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      September 12, 2020 12:18pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Seem to remember Helen Clark pulled this stunt back at our last hosting of RWC when the All Blacks would have had to qualify (due to that forward pass against the French).
  She helped win the hosting, so the All Blacks didn’t have to qualify, due to hosting it.
  Jacinda appeared to try to pull off the same political Kudos…but like EVERYTHING else she has “tried” …. she failed.
  
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  September 12, 2020 5:09pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  So quite simply this government has no understanding that politics and business are completely interlinked. A probable negotiation point that there was a better business opportunity elsewhere was “politics” rather than straight forward business negotiation practice.
  
  On another point it seems that the Mo F & Mo S doesn’t really have anywhere near the level of clout that one might expect for the Mo F position in any normal democratic government. Just a thought.
  
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  September 12, 2020 5:22pm
MT_Tinman

A murderer escaped from Middlemore hospital.

She is described thus: She was last seen wearing a black long-sleeved top with a white shirt underneath, grey track pants and light pink running shoes.

Is it possible that some of the attire should have given the game away before she ran off?
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September 12, 2020 8:04am
- SGA
  
  I can’t tell whether you are being tongue in cheek or not?
  hmmmm… given it is you, I’ll assume not. Running shoes are pretty standard casual footwear these days (I’m wearing some now – but they aren’t pink, if that matters).
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:27am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Prisoners should be wearing White PJs with black stripes on them, surely?
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:35am
    - SGA
      
      And bare feet with leg irons 🙂
      
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      September 12, 2020 9:10am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        And the warders need horses and shotguns! 🙂
        
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        September 12, 2020 9:29am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Just don’t let them go to the hospital…
        
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        September 12, 2020 9:30am
      - kowtow
        
        Deity
        
        Sunglasses and leather jacket.
        
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        September 12, 2020 10:37am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    but they aren’t pink
    
    Come on now, ‘fess up.
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:37am
    - SGA
      
      Nah, pink would clash with my toenail varnish.
      
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      September 12, 2020 9:12am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        You have open-toed running shoes?
        
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        September 12, 2020 9:42am
      - SGA
        
        But I would know it clashed.
        (Actually open-toed running shoes do exist. In fact, one of my kids was experimenting with something that look more like a running “jandal” than a shoe at one point – it was a short-lived experiment from memory).
        
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        September 12, 2020 10:02am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    As long as your hair is not pink, I am not scared of you SGA. You get the drift.
    
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    September 12, 2020 10:57am
    - SGA
      
      Not really, Sidekick. Snow again.
      
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      September 12, 2020 11:17am
- pdm
  
  No mention of nationality or complexion.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:16am
  - Geoff1
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300104890/murderer-on-the-run-in-auckland-after-escaping-on-way-back-from-hospital?cid=edm:stuff:dailyheadlines&bid=1302558890
    Katrina Roma Epiha
    Together with picture.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:45am
    - softail 1450
      
      geoff1, the plod wont have much trouble identifying her ,she wont be able to say “you’ve mistaken me for somebody else” , LOL.
      
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      September 12, 2020 10:23am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        As long she identifies her as a Labour voter, she is safe.
        
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        September 12, 2020 10:58am
- Jimmy White
  
  How do you run off with shackles on your Feet, Whoops sorry thats not how we protect the public in NZ.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:59am
Yvette

Jacinda Ardern, COVID-19 fight at centre of Labour’s first television ad

Anyone can check the facts and see it took from January 22 to March 16 to do the first 1,000 covid tests (25 days, 0 – 1051, March 16) [1] which was neither hard or early.
“Hard and early” has since become an Ardern slogan to cover the fact their approach initially was neither. There was a shortage of PPE and the urging of international friends is not science.

So we get to the first television “ad” in the Labour Election campaign and she begins “Together, we went hard and early to fight COVID” – and that, in my opinion is an out-right lie, totally screws anything that follows.

That simple, Jacinda.
I will seek to vote elsewhere – for someone who won’t first off and upfront lie to me.

[1] https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases#lab
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September 12, 2020 8:04am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  At least she’s not politicising the virus.
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:31am
  - david
    
    But I hope that Labour are paying the Government of the People for the rights to use the “hard and early” and “ tea of 5 million”phrases that the People paid $16 million to develop.? No?
    Colour me surprised!
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:04am
  - Jimmy White
    
    I thought for a moment you said Twins, now that would be an election winner
    
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    September 12, 2020 10:00am
- RF
  
  Remember the build up to the 2017 election when Ardern was questioned if she told lies.
  
  From memory her response was that she did not.
  
  I’m still waiting for her nose to grow as over the last 3 years I’ve heard some real beauties coming from her mouth.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:32am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  “I will seek to vote elsewhere ” – So bro, you are a National voter voting ACT. So what is the point?
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:59am
Sigmund Freud

I’m off to Queen Street today to protest the fascist government of Jacinda Ardhern and Dr Ashley Bloomfield (the fraudulent MD) and the Gestapo (formerly known as the New Zealand Police).

Hope to see you there. I’m disguised as ‘Osama bin Laden’.
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September 12, 2020 8:06am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  I wonder what normal people who fought against real fascists and the actual Gestapo would make of your pathetic antics.
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:11am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Yeah, pathetic mate. He’d be much better off spending all of his time making snarky comments on KB I reckon.
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:32am
    - SGA
      
      That’s unintentionally very funny.
      
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      September 12, 2020 8:42am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      Going to join him, are you?
      
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      September 12, 2020 9:00am
      - SGA
        
        🙂
        
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        September 12, 2020 9:37am
      - Jimmy White
        
        No Mikey’s off to the riot practice incase Labour looses the election.
        
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        September 12, 2020 10:03am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    They would join the march. They didn’t go to war to permit fascism to break out at home.
    
    Remember it was the troops that turned the prohibition vote too.
    
    You’re welcome.
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:36am
  - fisho
    
    They’d likely be pleased he at least got off his arse to speak up rather than spending much of his waking hours trolling good folk from the relative safety of his keyboard.
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:42am
  - Sigmund Freud
    
    “I wonder what normal people who fought against real fascists and the actual Gestapo would make of your pathetic antics.”
    
    They would think:
    
    “Smart guy! Last time it took British bombs, American troops and Soviet rapists to finally bring the tyrant Hitler and his doctors (who ‘proved’ that Jews were biologically inferior) under control.”
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:44am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      You be you. But I pity anyone who can’t tell the difference between fascists dictatorship and liberal democracies implementing public health measures.
      
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      September 12, 2020 9:27am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        who can’t tell the difference between fascists dictatorship and liberal democracies implementing public health measures
        
        Unfortunately for your lot many of us can.
        
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        September 12, 2020 10:07am
      - kowtow
        
        Victoria curfew was not recommended by the health authority there , funnily enough the Top Cop has said they didn’t ask for it either.
        
        Just Dictator Dan’s Duce’s Call.
        
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        September 12, 2020 10:22am
  - Simon
    
    “fought against real fascists and the actual Gestapo”
    
    “pathetic antics”
    
    WW2 and the Cold War was fought in part to prevent leftist fascist dweebs telling everyone else what to think and do.
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:55am
  - kowtow
    
    I think they’d be appalled that some of their favourite songs and tunes were being banned in the country that did the fighting.
    
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/02/bbc-u-turn-broadcaster-announces-rule-britannia-will-sung-last/
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:13am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      No song was banned. Rule Britannia was not sung at the Proms because there was no audience to sing it.
      
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      September 12, 2020 9:37am
      - Nukuleka
        
        You are ignorant, milkey. Watch one of the many Youtube recordings of The Last Night of the Proms and you will see that a vocal soloist leads the singing of Rule Britannia with the audience joining in the chorus. Interestingly it had often been a non-Brit soloist, demonstrating the universal call to liberty and freedom that the song embraces.
        
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        September 12, 2020 9:56am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I imagine you spend a fair bit of time wondering what normal people do.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:45am
  - softail 1450
    
    MMA ,Shit ,… [del. mod.]
    Stop googling you fool nobody here actually thinks you are the font of all knowledge, only yourself FFS.
    
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    September 12, 2020 10:27am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Probably support him against today’s fascists.
    
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    September 12, 2020 1:04pm
- igm
  
  In that attire you will be feted by all and sundry, especially as this is 9/11 in the States.
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:16am
- peterwn
  
  Surely protesting under the clocks in Flinders Street would be a bigger priority?
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:25am
- IC5000
  
  > I’m off to Queen Street today to protest the fascist government
  
  Umm I thought NZ was under a communist dictatorship
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:15am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Shhh, Comrade.
    
    The movement restrictions, and police raids don’t start till November.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:30am
    - Jimmy White
      
      October 19th
      
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      September 12, 2020 10:05am
  - Sigmund Freud
    
    Communism = everyone planting potatoes.
    
    Communist dictatorship = fascism = no one planting potatoes.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:33am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Cue the usual bogus nonsense that fascists are actually socialists or communists.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:38am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Yeah. There they go with all that “national socialist workers party” bullshit, again. You must be so weary of having to sit on here all day correcting us.
      
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      September 12, 2020 9:56am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Milky knows that the only way he can paint the right as bad, is to equate the right with fascism. A false picture of the political spectrum has been a tool of manipulators for millennia.
        
        The true political is total Government control at one end of the political spectrum, and no government control at the other. So the left is populated with Fascism, Communism, with Socialism slightly away from hard left.
        
        That is why it was so easy for Hitler to “move” from National Socialism to Fascism. All it took was a name change, however the Modus Operandus remained the same. Tyranny, together with looting and persecution.
        
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        September 12, 2020 2:03pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Fascists, socialists, and communists come from the same parasitical cesspool. Fascists and Communists are essentially identical, and the outcomes for the public in terms of loss of control and loss of freedom are identical. Fascists and communists only differ in the type of lies they tell the public to justify their actions.
      
      Socialism is an embryonic parasitical form of communism. It has attached itself to the host (public) and is influencing the host. By the time it reaches full maturity, the host no longer has any control.
      
      Fascism, socialism and communism are diseases of the mind, and a return to ancient barbarism and rule by force. Modern day land locked pirates. Which is why they “champion” cultures that only recently emerged from barbarism under the guise of equality. Much easier to start a revolution with.
      
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      September 12, 2020 11:00am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      “Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.”
      
      (Remind me whose quote that is.)
      
      Sounds pretty Socialist to me…
      
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      September 12, 2020 5:49pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    He’s talking about Auckland, silly. The ones that shut down free speech and promote double-speak such as “Auckland Peace Action”.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:48am
    - Don Beckett
      
      A P A ????
      
      To me, that’s ‘American Pale Ale’. my favorite though is Mac’s Green Beret. 🙂
      
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      September 12, 2020 4:57pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Well if you find any other participant, say hello to that person for me.
  
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  September 12, 2020 11:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here he is…
  https://ysb.co.nz/roving-report-from-te-rauparaha/
  
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  September 12, 2020 5:53pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Brought to you by Jami-Lee Ross, the campaign against 5G and other assorted nutcases….
    
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    September 12, 2020 5:58pm
fernglas

Gregor Paul, behind a paywall in the Herald, gets stuck into the Government for its obstinacy, lack of pragmatism and general tunnel vision over not just the quarantine requirements that cost us the rugby, but the whole isolation process. It takes a sports reporter to finally have the gumption to criticize the train wreck that our Government has forced upon us. The others, who bleat about how they are being criticised for asking the tough questions, are in reality no more than enablers who have almost all failed to look beyond the gloss and rhetoric. This pandemic will be a crucible for the media, and they will be found wanting
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September 12, 2020 8:08am
- fernglas
  
  I don’t normally take any notice of downticks, but I do wonder how I got one before this post even went live.
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:15am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Batboy up early? Or is mike a moderator?
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:33am
dave_c_

I’ve noticed a distinct change in the way Stuff and Herald publish articles about Covid.
Buried deeper down in the list of items/stories.
Me thinks this is a deliberate ploy to down play, and remove the focus of the shinnanigans of our masters, and focus on the puffery stuff at the top of the page.
Manipulating arseholes the lot of them.
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September 12, 2020 8:12am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Yeah, Stuff is deliberately downplaying by having a whole section devoted to it on the home page.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:02am
- Ruawai
  
  I often find articles that turn up late in the evening questioning the government are gone from the home pages of news sites by the morning and I suspect they get a phone call from the Labour Party suggesting it be removed or hidden.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:44am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Removed under the inference that it is “hate speech”, and “remove the article” or “we will discredit the journalist”.
    
    “Ve have 50 million reasons vy you should remove the article.”
    
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    September 12, 2020 11:10am
  - IC5000
    
    > I often find articles that turn up late in the evening questioning the government are gone from the home pages of news sites by the morning.
    
    Maybe do a screen shot which includes the URL and then post it up as proof. I’d be interested to know if you are lying or not.
    
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    September 12, 2020 3:55pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      As if anyone that paranoid would feel the need to verify their absurd ideas.
      
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      September 12, 2020 6:00pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  $50M goes a looooooooooooooong way bro.
  
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  September 12, 2020 11:21am
Biscuit

So lemme see…

Hosting rights to the SANZAAR Rugby Championship are ‘won’ by New Zealand.
Jacinda and Grant do a little dance and front to a news conference telling everyone how wonderful they were … and are.

Hosting rights to the SANZAAR Rugby Championship are ‘won’ by Australia.
Jacinda and Grant sulk and mutter ‘We did all we could. It’s because of SANZAAR politics’.
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September 12, 2020 8:12am
- Nickc2
  
  LYING BASTARDS!!
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:48am
  - sooty
    
    But I can never tell a lie, says Cindy Washington.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:49am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Sheeple have accepted that is SANZAAR politics and moving on. Will you?
  
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  September 12, 2020 11:22am
  - Nickc2
    
    Will I F__k!! Hang these lying bastards to dry.
    
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    September 12, 2020 1:25pm
- niggly
  
  Robbo (as Sports Minister) and Jacinda (as PM) has failed this one big time and Kiwi’s are noticing.
  
  Unfortunately (or should that be “as to be expected”) Jacinda demonstrates zero leadership abilities – of being on top of this issue, and doing her best to ensure it happens (by being briefed and liaising with Dr Bloomfield to work out an exemption process).
  
  Jacinda forgets that “PM” also stands for “prime mover” … it’s her role to make very important issues get dealt with by her own Team and the Health Ministry and keeping an eye on progress.
  
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  September 12, 2020 12:06pm
igm

Donald is slaying them . . .
https://links.nypost.com/a/755/click/9082479/720673629/_53a0aeeafcefe21b77f47716799caabcbd33241a/a87dc59b37520d5513490e0262cf4ac72969908d?ana=InV0bV9zb3VyY2U9bWFyb3Bvc3QmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249bnlwZGFpbHkmdXRtX2NvbnRlbnQ9MjAyMDA5MTEmdHBjYz1tb3JuaW5nX3JlcG9ydCI=
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September 12, 2020 8:17am
Billy Collins

A SECOND Nobel Peace prize nomination for Trump, “this time for brokering a historic peace deal between Serbia and breakaway republic Kosovo.”

https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/donald-trump-nominated-for-second-nobel-peace-prize/

ALSO
The Republic of Bahrain has now agreed to join the UAE in establishing FULL diplomatic relations with Israel. They likely wouldn’t do that without Saudi Arabia’s instruction, which could easily mean this expands much further.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1304464848831631361?s=20

Trump is on a roll.
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September 12, 2020 8:31am
- BeeJay
  
  Bread or sausage?
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:42am
  - kowtow
    
    In this case , kosher.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:30am
- All_on_Red
  
  Tellingly, the Arab League refuses to condemn the deal despite Palestinian pressure.
  Oman will be next, and a few more probably.
  This will isolate Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah even more.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:02am
  - oob
    
    Not quite. Hamas is Sunni.
    
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    September 12, 2020 2:15pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  Very well deserved for US President Donald Trump to nominated a second time for the Nobel Peace Prize ?
  
  In the past 30 days, he has brokered a series of historic agreements:
  
  – Israel & United Arab Emirates peace.
  
  – Israel & Bahrain peace.
  
  – Serbia & Kosovo peace. With Muslim nation Kosovo also recognising Israel.
  
  – Rapidly warming of relations between Israel & Saudi Arabia.
  
  – In his 1st term he has also brought North and South Korea to the peace negotiation table.
  
  – Avoided getting dragged into major wars with Syria, Iran, Russia, Iraq, Turkey, etc.
  
  – And rapidly crushed the insanely evil ISIS Caliphate.
  
  I’m looking forward to seeing the multitude of other peace agreements he will achieve during his 2nd term.
  
  Of course that means that because the Bad Orange Man achieved all of this, then that means such a “narcissistic psychopath” being nominated twice now obviously shows that the Nobel Peace Prize is also bad and must be cancelled… I’m not joking ?
  
  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/end-nobel-peace-prize/616300/
  
  Note this is the same unscrupulous Fake News organisation that ran that retarded “Losers and Suckers” story last week, that a handful of people on this blog were unfortunately suckered into somehow ?
  
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  September 12, 2020 11:41am
Im Right

Is it just me who notice that when in election mode and campaigning for votes that The Greens drop their most vocal and controversial mouth pieces from public view?
They did this with Turei each election and now Davidson (and thankfully GG, although not co leader)
During the past 3 years they were popping up everywhere with something to say, and now (and then) they are invisible.
Is this deliberate because the Green party campaign staff know they are vote losers or…..?
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September 12, 2020 8:34am
- Gravelroad
  
  Maybe you havn’t seen this today I’m Right?
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122736191/tick-tick-podcast-no-time-for-anger-as-marama-davidson-accepted-james-shaws-apology-immediately
  
  It’s a sickening love-fest and mutual justification effort between Shaw and Davidson facilitated by $tuff for re-electing the Green Party.
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:55am
  - emmess
    
    No time for anger from Davidson, eh?
    That’s a first, the woman has a permanent scowl on her face.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:16am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Did you just assume Davidson’s gender???
      
      How very dare you!
      
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      September 12, 2020 9:54am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        She is the mother of 6 children…so I think it is a fairly good assumption that she identifies as female.
        
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        September 12, 2020 3:49pm
  - Im Right
    
    I did see it GR, and that’s what got me thinking about her being MIA for the Greens with just weeks till the election and realised Turei was the bloody same.
    Female co leaders full of feministic anger at perceived injustices mysoginy and colonial oppression….then nothing in the weeks leading up to election, The Greens suddenly become an environmental party…funny that eh?
    
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    September 12, 2020 10:50am
- JackRabbit
  
  They have realised you catch more files with sweet nectar. Once they have you they devour you. In the Greens case they issue all sorts of sweet feel good enticements and declare war on meat eaters and freedom lovers.
  
  Typical Venus flytrap behaviour. Probably also why many are vegans and hate carnivores (meat eaters).
  
  https://blog.education.nationalgeographic.org/2018/02/08/venus-flytraps-dont-trap-insects-that-pollinate-them/
  
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  September 12, 2020 1:53pm
SmokerGuy

The rugby decision perfectly illustrates how much this government is destroying our economy with their ultra conservative approach. I don’t have an issue with quarantining people but the government lack any pragmatism and common sense. The next five years will show the dire condition our economy is in because of this government and their decisions. We should all be worried for future generations
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September 12, 2020 8:35am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Agree wholeheartedly. It’s not just the rugby, but all the casual workers who work at stadia, hospitality right around the country, hotels where the teams would have stayed, and much more. The economic impact of this, at a time when the economy is in freefall especially in tourism and hospitality, will be massive.
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:38am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Not to mention the orchardists who are going to lose their crops because the fruit pickers can’t get in.
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:41am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It will be OK. The government will arrange transport for all the unemployed able bodied young people to go pick the fruit. Any who refuse will lose the dole. Oops I was dreaming. That would be the sensible thing so the exact opposite will happen.
      
      Hate is a strong word but I am sure that most farmers and orchardists hate this government.
      
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      September 12, 2020 9:39am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Benedict Yu: I live in an area heavily reliant on imported labour – mostly from Pacific Islands – to work in the grape growing industry.
        They work hard – long hours, basic money, crowded living conditions, outside in cold weather (to which they are not accustomed) and they sometimes experience little respect.
        Why do they do it for months on end- away from home and family?
        They do it for the income that gives them a sense of self respect and pays for clothes, food and school for their kids. Some use their funds to establish small businesses back home – buy or build a boat for fishing and so on.
        The big majority don’t get into trouble with the law while they are here – loss of respect back home not worth it as they won’t be picked to come back here next round.
        Compare this to the low-lifes who live here permanently and who have no respect for themselves or anyone else, spend their benefits on drugs, alcohol, gambling and then blame everyone else for the useless lives they lead.
        If they vote at all, they’ll vote for more personal subsidies from the “rich” cause they’re entitled and don’t have to work for anything.
        
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        September 12, 2020 10:37am
  - SmokerGuy
    
    Exactly but this is just one example, it’s the tip of an iceberg that we are going to crash into and sink. People are oblivious to what is happening and will only realise once these idiots have been re-elected. Will be interesting to see our gdp on Thursday compared to Australia, maybe that will make people finally start questioning our Covid approach.
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:52am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      And the Prefu on Wednesday, which will confirm how bad things are NOW, and make future forecasts.
      
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      September 12, 2020 9:40am
      - Paulus
        
        Once the PREFU figures have been moderated like what was done when Cullen was Finance Minister remember.
        
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        September 12, 2020 11:08am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        The 2008 Prefu, the one that forecast the infamous “Decade of Deficits” was certainly not moderated.
        
        The fact that Prefu has had to be redone after the PM postponed the election date is even worse for the Government, as the economy heads into a deep recession.
        
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        September 12, 2020 11:49am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Here’s how DPF assessed the 2008 Prefu:
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/prefu_ten_years_of_deficits.html
        
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        September 12, 2020 11:50am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Once the PREFU figures have been moderated…”
        
        The Treasury is not subject to political direction on the PREFU. Thanks to Ruth Richardson. Nobody else.
        
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        September 12, 2020 9:31pm
- Jimmy White
  
  All stand Cindy Speaks:
  ‘It wasn’t our handling of the economy, It was the evil Covid that forced us to throw away millions/Billions. The fact that an election was looming and that most of the money went to marginal seats was just coincidence, Your poor “Boxers” had to suffer to save the 80,000 souls at risk.’
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:07am
- Gravelroad
  
  Smoker- Labour’s whole focus just now is getting re-elected at any cost.
  Doling our money to their voter base and maintaining the narrative for the covid election is most important.
  Rugby? Ffffft – just a small example of collateral damage. We’ll build the Rugby Union a big new stadium somewhere – after the election.
  That’ll shut them up for a bit.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:13am
  - sooty
    
    yer, I’ll move the noisy buggers out from Aunties backyard, like she wants! Maybe Henderson, that’ll fix’um!
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:44am
Jimmy White

Criticise the government and the failing Newspaper hides you behind a paywall. Criticise the opposition and for some reason its free. Maybe because its not real Journalism.
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September 12, 2020 8:35am
Maggie Pie

The Virgin Mary vs Typhoid Mary.

Wash your hands.
Wear a mask.
Avoid large gatherings.
Social distancing is important

From Remuera to Mt Roskill – the same rules apply.
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September 12, 2020 8:35am
- Ed Snack
  
  Except, masks really don’t do anything to help except promote your willingness to do what you are told.
  
  Note that the State of California is warning that cloth masks do nothing to protect against the smoke from forest fires, and the particulates in smoke are larger than virus laden aerosol particles.
  
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  September 12, 2020 1:10pm
Nookin

So, the Labour Party promises to allow essential workers into the country. The only catch? They have to be re-elected. I am stunned by the gracious benevolence of this policy. Businesses on the verge of collapse will be given a chance to survive if they vote Labour.

It does occur to me, though, that if this is such a good idea and one that can be promised in an election campaign, why are they not saving those businesses now instead of pile-driving the country into irrecoverable debt?

This from the party that criticised National for making a political play on Covid but which declared this to be the Covid election.

Are we supposed to genuflect in eternal gratitude to a party that couldn’t work out how to allow rugby games to be held in NZ ?

If this election is to be all about Covid and nothing else then the test will be which party will deliver and on that issue we need to think Kiwibuild, rail, child poverty, mental health, accountability, and competence.
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September 12, 2020 8:36am
- Ruawai
  
  … and how to keep covid from slipping through the border.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:49am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Covid-19 will mysteriously disappear after the election, having been defeated and eliminated by the White Witch.
    
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    September 12, 2020 11:30am
RF

I was very dissapointed to learn that Aussie will host the Rugby Championship.

I expected to see our PM announce this with one of her serious faces before declaring a period of mourning.

Not such bloody luck.

She wore her happy face, smiling from ear to ear treating as if it was a huge joke, claiming it was the fault of Sanzaar Politics.

Eat cake Kiwis.

What a loathsome creature.
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September 12, 2020 8:37am
- calendar girl
  
  How or why does our PM switch on her ‘happy face’ unexpectedly when she is being interviewed on TV about serious issues of importance to New Zealand? It’s not natural.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:44am
- Ruawai
  
  Agree she was smiling like a Cheshire Cat, … [del. mod.]
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:50am
- softail 1450
  
  R F,I’m convinced Cindy is a … [del. mod.] who has entirely lost the ability to control her facial emotions,she could be talking about the end of the Earth and have that stupid giggly school girl look on her dial, amazing …
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:40am
- niggly
  
  RF, our Prime Minister is smiling (even when delivering bad news) is because she is reading prepared notes and key phrases (often repeated) so puts on a “kind” face to appeal to her audience (no matter what is being said). She’s just following her script!
  
  Which seems to work most of the time … except this time it is highlighting her insincerity, and the mask is slipping off for all her fans to see!
  
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  September 12, 2020 12:28pm
  - namron
    
    Hey niggly, how’s jacinda going to cope with the couple of debates with Judith coming up with no script to read from?
    Interesting to compare Judith’s capability in handling “off the cuff” questioning – with humour and with intelligent informed replies.
    Anything jacinda has said that could be called “nearly relevant or amusing” has been scripted!
    
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    September 12, 2020 1:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Jacinda will be asked patsy questions…
      The camera will be turned away from her if she starts to fumble…and the interviewer will intervene with a nasty comment/question for Judith.
      
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      September 12, 2020 3:52pm
      - Tall Man
        
        You’ve seen this before haven’t you Maggy?
        
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        September 12, 2020 8:43pm
oldpark

The Ardern Regime Clusterfuck continues . Fresh from stuffing up the recent disaster allowing after 102 days the Coronavirus to re-appear because of slack inept inane management by Ardern gang .
This time Silly Little Girl Ardern and Silly Little Boy Grant Robertson have stuffed up big time on losing the Rights to the Rugby Championship .
Yes NZ had the rights on the tips of their fingers but with Ineptitude and Intransigence they let it slip through their hands .
Seems the Taxpayer Sixteen Million Dollar funded “Be Kind” Campaign has allowed the Australians to run rings around Control Freak Ardern and her Sycophants and take control .
Starting to see using the fear of the Coronavirus for NZs Five Million might install Ardern as PM in General Election it does nothing for the Rugby followers in NZ .
Ardern has a slogan on one of her many self serving signs. It reads “Keep Moving” with one word missing “Keep Moving Backwards”.
It is always impossible to believe that such a Clusterfuck type of Political Party led by a control Freak with “Narcissistic Personality Disorder” could win the General Election . She also had the Gall and Temerity to put the boot into Sanzaar blaming them for NZ getting a Silver Medal by Australia .
For her and Labour /Greens Power and Control is more important than the Rugby Rights for NZs .
A long time ago someone said their impression of NZ was “A Dimly lit Cemetery with a Dairy Attached”. Under Arderns Control Freak Attitude and no fun for Sport we could very well mirror the comment made many years ago about NZ. “Two Ticks Blue”will save us .
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September 12, 2020 8:41am
Suze Wainwright

I’m just grateful that the incoming Labour/Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand Government will permit those earning over $100K to express their love in a meaningful fashion
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September 12, 2020 8:44am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Maybe expressing their aroha will make it sound more palatable…
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:52am
  - Ruawai
    
    And having a Green minister of Agriculture will be the icing on the cake for farmers.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:52am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      The Govt will formally own the ‘c’ word too… (and I can’t imagine Marama letting anyone forget it).
      
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      September 12, 2020 10:51am
- softail 1450
  
  Suze ,Wonder how many workers on around 181k will be asking their bosses for a pay reduction?
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:42am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Or an increase big enough to cover the extra tax as well. You can bet your life that’s what the overpaid public servants will be getting.
    
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    September 12, 2020 11:29am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    None. Because they will only pay an extra 120 dollars.
    
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    September 12, 2020 4:01pm
    - Tall Man
      
      per week!
      
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      September 12, 2020 8:38pm
mandk

Can’t find the link now, but there was an interesting story in the Daily Telegraph yesterday about an overwhelming majority of Councillors on Shetland voting to look at independence from Scotland.
Shetland was governed by Norway until the late 15th century and most Shetlanders do not identify as Scots. They also feel that they are ignored by the government in Hollyrood.
It would be great to see the Shetland independence movement gather steam, as it would hoist Nicola Sturgeon and the rest of the whining Scots Bars by their own petard.
Freedom for Shetland!
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September 12, 2020 8:46am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Would be quite rich too, if they were able to grab the oil royalties.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/shetland-votes-explore-ways-become-independent-scotland-2968110
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:36am
- Inandout
  
  mandk, I loved the ‘Shetland’ series on Netflix, but the last two series have been withheld for other outlets by the BBC.
  https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/when-will-season-4-5-of-shetland-be-on-netflix/
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:47am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    We enjoyed it too. Would like to see more of Perez and Tosh.
    
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    September 12, 2020 10:38am
- kowtow
  
  Funnily enough the Islanders’ DNA shows them to be very much part of the ancient pre Viking stock , more Pictish like mainlanders than Norwegian.
  
  Our attitudes to things may be a lot more ‘cultural” than ethnic.
  
  ie the islanders’ just don’t like mainland Scottish left wing nationalist republicanism.
  
  https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2019/09/03/latest-study-shows-shetlanders-are-genetically-more-scottish/
  
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  September 12, 2020 11:00am
ex-golfer

So Ardern says SANZAAR politics cost NZ the Rugby Championship but this has been refuted by articles in both mainstream outlets.
How long is this insane ban on calling out Ardern for what she is – short on the truth – going to last?

While other countries around the world are getting on with life, returning major sports events to the calendar, opening up borders and managing outbreaks by isolating and protecting the vulnerable, NZ is still living in an ignorant space thinking we can eliminate COVID. And the sheeple still bow at the feet of The Chosen One.

We will NEVER ELIMINATE COVID.
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September 12, 2020 8:46am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It was also refuted by the CEO of Sanzaar, who suggested the only politics involved were those of the New Zealand Government.
  
  The Prime Minister’s attempt to distance herself from this will blow up in her face.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:47am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “The Prime Minister’s attempt to distance herself from this will blow up in her face.”
    
    Only if the MSM let it happen.
    
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    September 12, 2020 10:09am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Hmm, possibly a lot more interested in rugby than politics in the nation of aotearoa…
      
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      September 12, 2020 11:32am
- Ruawai
  
  The Government keep getting the media to run fear stories on how the virus has long term effects on health and their fan club running fear such as Sixous Wiles to keep the people in line and complying.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:55am
- Evadne
  
  “Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!”
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8UvFhIFzaac
  
  – The latest update from Ivor Cummins, including: Why is Sweden different from its neighbours, America’s “second wave”, Brazil and Peru, the situation in Europe, and why we should be building up immunity in summer.
  
  An engineer by profession, but he takes graphs from the various official government health sites and methodically talks through the statistical and graphical relationships.
  
  Long, but definitely worth watching if you have any interest at all in Covid stats and interventions.
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:57am
Paulus

I can hear Cindy
“Damn National Party Conspiracy persuading those SANZAR people to not vote for me, I will sort them out after I win the Election. –
In the meantime I have left the two stooges Young Chippy and that Doctor man to take the blame for everything.
I am not there -but being out with [del.] among those who love me – listen to that Maori woman supporter in Whakatane – “Love you Auntie” now that’s what I expect to hear not sniveling rugby supporters – it was not my fault, as you all know.
It can never me me – I cannot be held responsible for SNAFU situations.
And as you all know I can never lie.”
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September 12, 2020 8:49am
- Tall Man
  
  “And as you all know I can never lie” straight in bed ……
  
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  September 12, 2020 8:34pm
MT_Tinman

For the first time in 45 years, in the first week of September shots were fired in the China/India border clash in Kasmir.

On September 11 foreign ministers of the two nations agreed to a de-escalation of hostilities in the area.

As these two nations are trading partners I would have thought this, rather than a stage being washed before the PM used it to spout bullshit or the ongoing give-away of our grand-children’s money, this time with a newly-invented holiday excuse, was the important news of the day.
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September 12, 2020 8:54am
Happychappy

This story surprised me as like yesterday main stream media posted a article from Google suggest the polls are not what they are supposed to be when it comes to Jacinda Ardern and Labour have the polls been deliberately slanted to make sure that those undecided voters vote Jacinda or is it that they don’t think the undecided will vote.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/425854/election-2020-how-much-can-you-trust-the-polls
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September 12, 2020 8:55am
- JackRabbit
  
  You are on to it. When you hear workers who have never voted anything other than Labour their entire life say they will not vote for her, you know the polls are not accurate. Many are angry at what she has done, and incensed with the idea of that they someone sanctioned her current behaviour when they voted for her in 2017.
  
  Voter poll survey results are influenced by the quality of the questions. Having worked on polling, it is all to easy to lead and influence the public down a certain path of thinking.
  
  The polls do not reflect the rising anger and mistrust the common working man / woman have towards being betrayed by Jacinda.
  
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  September 12, 2020 11:43am
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    oops typo…
    “…with the idea of that they somehow sanctioned her current behaviour…”
    
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    September 12, 2020 1:39pm
greenfinger

Herald and Stuff have zero credibility! Funded by taxpayer and are now just the Cindy’s and the Labour Party PR department. Might as well drop the pretense and rebrand themselves the NZ Labour Party Herald and Stuffed.
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September 12, 2020 9:12am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I see Stuff this morning has an article about Jacinda visiting cake shops. Yesterday it was about her mother making her a packed lunch or a toasted sandwich or something.
  
  It is almost beyond belief that we have come to this. Their only policies are a rich prick tax and a ruinous energy policy. Oh and more subsidies for EV owners.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:33am
  - barnacle bill
    
    @benedict
    
    Also, did you happen to notice old Granny Collins having her fingers sucked by little babies ?
    
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    September 12, 2020 10:46am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Judith is juicy…even little babies can see that she is yummy.
      
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      September 12, 2020 3:55pm
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        More like they can’t run away when they see her coming Maggy.
        
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        September 12, 2020 4:14pm
KevO'Brien

Ardern R. is a small brained confounded communist with her own bullythrough agenda. Her “lies” are her beliefs because she cannot wrangle thoughts outside her internal systems. She lives in a different world to us.
MMP has done NZ a grave disservice putting “representative” thought above integrity and a executive ability.
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September 12, 2020 9:13am
3-coil

DomPost’s race relations “reporter” Sophie Cornish has revealed her unconscious bias in her craven story of the poor muslim shopkeeper in Wellington who had an old Christian woman verbally challenge his Islamic beliefs. Cornish blithely repeats the Islamist claim that “muslims have no history of harming anyone in NZ”.

She evidently chooses to be ignorant of the Somali muslim woman refugee (Asha Ali Abdille) who stabbed the pilots and another passenger while trying to hijack a flight into Christchurch.

Or the Gambian refugee, and halal butcher (Sainey Marong) who murdered one of the many Christchurch prostitutes he used, and set her dead body alight beside a country road.

Sophie Cornish and the DomPost evidently do not consider these (and many other) criminal convictions of muslims from our local Islamist brethren “harmful to New Zealanders”. They have no right to spread propaganda like this, so hateful and divisive – but it is their unconscious bias. What were once two real newspapers, the DomPost is now just another fake-news tabloid rag, permanently Stuffed.
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September 12, 2020 9:13am
- sooty
  
  I wonder who hijacked those two areoplanes years ago and crashed into the skyscrapers?
  Oh that’s right.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:37am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  You are deliberately misinterpreting her comment.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:39am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Or the young radicalised muslim who admitted to plotting to kill as many people as he could in – where was it again? Oh yes, Christchurch, that’s right.
  
  His punishment was to spend more time at the mosque – I kid you not.
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:00am
Rusty

Our PM doesn’t seem to take interest in any sport in NZ. Even Helen Clarke was a big warriors supporter and helped get the 2011 rugby world cup in NZ.

How NSW and Queensland are safer locations for the rugby championships is hard to understand considering our better covid-19 record of less infections.

This close the borders to all mentality by our govt is not doing them any favours with businesses in NZ who could have done with that extra cash.
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September 12, 2020 9:14am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Even Helen Clarke was a big warriors supporter’
  
  More political theatre , just about every thing these people do is an invention with a view to currying favour with a target electorate.
  
  White middle class female academic follower of rugby league , pull the other one.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:45am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Trust me I’m as far as possible to being the opposite of a Clark fan as you can get, but she’s a genuine leaguie, and has been patron of Mt Albert RL Club for a few decades now.
    
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    September 12, 2020 10:05am
    - kowtow
      
      Fair enough , but these people know how to act for the CV .
      
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      September 12, 2020 10:10am
KevO'Brien

Davos time? Is there more going on than we are aware of?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-911-great-reset
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September 12, 2020 9:14am
Maggy Wassilieff

Another fluff piece on Chloe by Newshub.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/green-mp-chl-e-swarbrick-gets-covid-19-test-after-developing-sniffle.html

Anyone remember the name of the Labour candidate for Auckland Central?
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September 12, 2020 9:19am
- sooty
  
  Penny Bright?
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:34am
- Loddenthinks
  
  So would a person writing such a fluff piece be accurately described as a “fluffer”?
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:07am
  - Tall Man
    
    Starts with “f”……
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:25pm
I remember when

The reason real Fascists and the Gestapo managed to get to the stage where they started the war, was the lack of rallies and action against them.
People either ignored early Fascist behaviour or didn’t comprehend the possible consequences. The result was a free rein to behave without any noticeable reaction.
Every freedom removed without protest,
or comment, allows further removals in the future.
By far the most important freedom silenced by covid-19 has been the freedom to debate actions.
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September 12, 2020 9:23am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  The Nazis got to power by allying with the German conservatives, who liked their nationalism and preferred them to the socialists.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:41am
  - Ruahine
    
    The Nazis were Socialists.
    Nazi means; The National Socialist German Worker’s Party.
    Its on Wikipedia mate.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:51am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Gee, I wonder why there first enemies were the actual socialists.
      See, for example:
      https://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18283879/nazism-socialism-hitler-gop-brooks-gohmert
      or:
      https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists
      The Nazis were socialists in the same way the north Korea is a ‘Democratic People’s Republic’. Educated people judge others by their actions, rather than titles.
      
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      September 12, 2020 10:43am
      - Tall Man
        
        Their mikey, their.
        
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        September 12, 2020 8:24pm
    - RichardX
      
      North Korea is democratic.
      It is called the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.
      Its on Wikipedia mate.
      
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      September 12, 2020 10:49am
      - Mike
        
        Morons gotta be morons.
        
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        September 12, 2020 12:17pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Infighting Mikey. Like the Bolsheviks first task was to eliminate the Mensheviks rather than battle the remaining tsarist forces.
      
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      September 12, 2020 1:16pm
  - softail 1450
    
    MMA, Did you hear the one about that world leader Donald Trump,probably the greatest leader in world history getting nominated for a Nobel prize?
    What are your thoughts on that MMA ? LOL.
    Unlike your mangod Obama … [del. mod.]
    
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    September 12, 2020 10:50am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  And every scuffle, rally and brawl where the brownshirts get away with it, enables them, and trains them in tactics for street fighting.
  
  Remember when BLM was “protesters”
  
  Now it is professional insurrectionists, with unit cohesion, organised 4GW maneuver warfare, drone overwatch, and centralised tactical control.
  
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  September 12, 2020 9:42am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You’d need a fair bit of financial backing for those types of operations. I wonder where they could be getting that from?
    
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    September 12, 2020 10:08am
Tasman Terror

On the topic of Kiwi Muslims never harming fellow Kiwis….. a read of the Court of Appeal decision granting final name suppression to the Young Labour offender records he is Muslim.
Would he have got this result if he was a Pakeha Catholic Young Nat? If you answer yes you really are thick.
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September 12, 2020 9:37am
- Sofia
  
  Tasman Terror. A link to that would be interesting, if you have one, please.
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:13am
- Twinkletoes
  
  Perhaps he recently converted to Islam in the knowledge that NZ won’t want to rock the boat by appearing to be racist by prosecuting one of our ‘special peoples”.. Only takes a couple of minutes to say the Muslim reversion mantra and takes the heat off young non muslim men who have connections in high places. However, leaving Islam is not quite so easy!
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:36am
  - Durden
    
    Here is the link. Can’t see where the reference is. i did a cursory read but searched the text–not fruitfully. Maybe one of you will find the clause that Tasman Terror refers to.
    
    https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/pdf/jdo/b9/alfresco/service/api/node/content/workspace/SpacesStore/ff6cb500-38b4-490d-b765-6542e4f2aadf/ff6cb500-38b4-490d-b765-6542e4f2aadf.pdf
    
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    September 12, 2020 12:11pm
    - bruceavon
      
      Yeah. I have heard he is a Muslim but I can’t see where he is referred to on here either. Is it true or not?
      Interesting to read a description of the offences though. He shoves his hand down the pants of two guys and grabs their penis, and the court decides it’s not indecent. Just a harmless joke. If you tried that in public instead of a Labour camp you would never get away with it.
      
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      September 12, 2020 2:17pm
Swifty

[Thanks Swifty – sometimes it takes until the second coffee. Mod.]
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September 12, 2020 9:48am
Sigmund Freud

Why doesn’t David Farrar publicise the ‘Freedom from Lockdown Madness’ protests which are against the imminent destruction of our economy, our society and our democracy.

Just like in Nazi Germany we have doctors supporting tyranny.
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September 12, 2020 9:51am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps he does not sympathise with your particular delusions.
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:44am
I remember when

So on the figures given by Jacinda/the Labour Party figures they are going to allow up to 37,440 migrant workers per year.
That is 1440 spaces by 26 times.
Will they be 2 year visas (74,880)?
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September 12, 2020 9:52am
Inandout

TT, weren’t some NZ mosques being watched well before Tarrant’s massacre?
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September 12, 2020 9:55am
oldfella

I read this story while I was drinking coffee, and almost dropped the cup. What the f*** are we doing to our kids? BTW, w0uld our PTPM allow her pre-school daughter to attend such a show? Might be interesting to ask.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/stage-and-theatre/122745728/worldfirst-drag-musical-for-children-coming-to-wellingtons-circa-theatre
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September 12, 2020 9:55am
- oldfella
  
  BTW, yet another example of the lefty push to sexualise children. And promote paedophilia at the same time.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX2HfDZkJg0&feature=youtu.be
  Netflix: the same organisation that has just forked out tens of millions so Harry and whatsername can produce ‘family friendly’ programmes. I’m guessing the royal brats will pull out of the deal in protest. (Yeah, right.)
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:17am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Sorry. Yuk.
  
  I would prefer that the mentally ill pedophiles were not permitted to groom children funded by tax and ratepayers.
  
  The “progressives” are moving on from gay marriage and trans rights.
  
  Polyamory is already ok. So now we need to break down the “normie” conventions around Pedophilia.
  
  Exactly as predicted.
  
  What’s next? Bestiality and Necro?
  
  Looking forward to next years Furry Panto. Wholesome Family Fun ™
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:34am
  - oldfella
    
    Relax, Nigel. If this push from the left to sexualise your kids or grandkids is getting you down, take them somewhere really safe, like a McDonalds or Burger King.
    https://notthebee.com/article/burger-king-depicts-mascot-making-out-with-ronald-mcdonald-in-new-ad-campaign
    Then again, maybe not…
    
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    September 12, 2020 11:37am
YesMinister

Oh no! We don’t have a rugby thing. Our national identity will surely crumble if we cannot watch an inherently meaningless display of some people we don’t know running about with a bit of inflated rubber on NZ soil. This is perhaps the greatest tragedy related to covid thus far.
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September 12, 2020 9:57am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Games in Wellington and, probably, Auckland. The games in Australia might not be allowed spectators.
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:45am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Oh my God!
  
  Look! Some people, over there! Enjoying innocent pleasure! Together!
  
  Stop that immediately! Report them to the appropriate authorities!
  
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  September 12, 2020 11:20am
  - Tall Man
    
    Flagellate…Flagellate…..
    
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8676877/Bloody-scenes-Muslims-flagellate-chains-blades-procession-Peshawar.html
    
    Sorry, meant exterminate …
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxD-5z_xHBU
    
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    September 12, 2020 6:43pm
greenfinger

To The Cindy Fan Club, You got your wish 3 years ago. How do you like it so far? More homelessness, higher child poverty, massive deterioration in home ownership, runaway property prices, rising debt and unemployment, and self-inflicted social and economic purgatory. Everything this government has initiated or presided over have failed massively. Cindy and her troops are just as bad as Trump in creating alternate facts to paper over the problems. Eventually, the public will get tire of her smile and that tilt of head, her platitudes and her finger-pointing blame-games. Unfortunately, the damage and mess Cindy leaves behind will continue to hurt NZ long after she leaves Office.
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September 12, 2020 10:02am
Swifty

I presume I’m not alone on here in admitting to feeling a deep melancholy and sadness every time I see another veteran passing away:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/425820/massive-legacy-maori-battalion-veteran-epineha-ratapu-dies-aged-98

I don’t know what else to say – I just feel a great love for the people of that generation; for what they did, and lost, during the war and also what they did subsequent to it in developing the country and the prosperity we now enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFKWTsoieOI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfsyXFXoWZI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_QfF6tZqVo
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September 12, 2020 10:04am
- tom hunter
  
  You’re not alone in that, Swifty…
  We will remember them
  
  As it happens my co-blogger at No Minister, The Vet, is related to Epineha via both blood and the NZ Army.
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:38am
- mikenmildagain
  
  +1
  We will remember them
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:46am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Captain Sir Tom Moore continues to inspire, as Guest of Honour at a Graduation Parade for young soldiers this week. What a remarkable man he is.
  
  https://twitter.com/captaintommoore/status/1304107801673904136
  
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  September 12, 2020 1:42pm
Catgurl13

Watching that prog “The Nation” God it makes me angry they are so left slanted. Simon Shepard is such a snotty little git. Today they showcased the Labour MP Kiri Allen on an advertorial about her life. So they are electioneering for Labour by doing this. Surely this isn’t fair to other parties. It was hilarious how stupid John Tamahere looked like a racist babbling fool. He is a complete and utter twit.
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September 12, 2020 10:06am
- Bob
  
  But! remember the $50 mill investment that Adern made because of Covid?. Grant will tell you that there has to be a ‘return on that investment’, since Labour is a responsible spender of our Taxes.
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:40am
Fletch

I’m most likely going to vote for the National Party (not a Labourite, of course), but I think this electric car thing Judith is pushing is stupid. It sounds like Labour policy… ?
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September 12, 2020 10:21am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It’s not as stupid as it looks. She’s positioning National as not being an enemy of the environment.
  (Even if it won’t work).
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:39am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yeah, I’m going to sell the farm and move to town just so I can have a subsidised electric car.
  I hope the general populace will now stop telling the lie that National is the farmers’ party – cause it ain’t.
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:43am
- Dave Mann
  
  Our country is facing an existential crisis the likes of which very few living New Zealanders have ever experienced – and National, the so-called ‘opposition’ are simply wanking around on the fringes and have absolutely nothing to offer in the way of policy or vision, as Judith Collins has shown in almost every interview she has given since she became leader. And their previous leadership was just as pathetic.
  
  As we watch our country being devoured by totalitarian Marxism and subliminally conditioned by fear, with our citizens literally afraid to show their faces in public and our industries and businesses in tatters, these craven idiots are talking about electric fucking cars!
  
  I will be voting 2 ticks ACT.
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:53am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    What the Hell is the point of your second tick for ACT unless you live in Epsom.
    
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    September 12, 2020 11:35am
    - Dave Mann
      
      The point of my electorate vote for ACT is quite simply to say that I would like my ACT candidate to be my electorate MP, as well as being in government.
      
      If people who support ACT do the same, then this will translate into an increased vote ACROSS THE BOARD for the only party which has any coherent plan or any vision for how to get our country out of this mess.
      
      ACT will not get into government alone of course. I realise this…. but I will be voting according to my principles.
      
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      September 12, 2020 11:56am
      - Tall Man
        
        cindy thanks you 😉
        
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        September 12, 2020 6:33pm
- Catgurl13
  
  The electric car thing has actually put me off lying for them. I don’t agree with these car owners being let off road user charges. That’s punishing petrol car owners. Just because Judith wants to drive an electric car,and is having a home charger unit installed,doesn’t mean we all want to. I will never buy an electric car. Where on Earth is everyone going to charge them?. We can’t all afford a charger at home,increased power bills and to be sitting around while they charge anyway. On top that I don’t want to be told what kind of car I can buy and drive.
  
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  September 12, 2020 11:00am
  - Catgurl13
    
    I mean voting!
    
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    September 12, 2020 11:08am
    - Tall Man
      
      Or not voting in your case 🙂
      
      Hate to see cindy win by 1 vote 🙁
      
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      September 12, 2020 5:57pm
Maggie Pie

Looks like ‘Dear Leader’ is a yuge fan of SaveMart as well 😀

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehm6oMTWkAA3h4c?format=jpg&name=large
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September 12, 2020 10:25am
- oldfella
  
  One of those people in a grey smock is a dangerous, lefty dictator… the other is Kim Jong Un.
  
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  September 12, 2020 11:42am
  - sooty
    
    Nah, she pinched it off Laila Harre of Startrek fame!
    
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    September 12, 2020 2:49pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Dressing for anorexia” isn’t easy you know.
  
  FFS, give that woman a pie.
  
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  September 12, 2020 12:55pm
Happychappy

Why is no one in the media not jumping up and down about Labours reluctance to do something about ” Gangs ” especially after condemning Simon Bridges when he suggested Gang task force raptor when the subject was first mooted. Jacinda Ardern, Andrew Little and Stuart Nash should be ashamed of their low tolerance action about gangs and it should be a priority to stop the blatant crimes these people are perpetrating.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/09/organised-criminal-groups-gaining-greater-access-in-new-zealand-report.html
This is the beginning of a very large problem for NZ and Labours go soft policies on criminals and less prisons to accommodate them.
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September 12, 2020 10:30am
- sooty
  
  Maybe they will vote labour, after getting to buy all the illegal guns after paying more than plod for the good ones!
  
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  September 12, 2020 1:11pm
- Ruahine
  
  Gang members vote.
  
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  September 12, 2020 4:21pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Not really……..
    
    They don’t give a shit one way or the other.
    
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    September 12, 2020 6:28pm
tom hunter

The structure of the Fire Department of New York (FDNY) is as follows:

Battalion
– Battalion Chief
– 180-200 firefighters & officers
– 4 – 8 companies
– Captain
– 3 Lieutenants
– 16-42 firefighters

Company numbers differ between types. But the two most common have, when on call (shift):
– Engine Company, 3-4 firefighters
– Ladder Company (5 firefighters)

With that in mind.

9:42:07 am EST (Eastern Standard Time)

DEVLIN: This is Chief Devlin, I gotta get a run down of the companies. We’re in a state of confusion.
NYFD: Alright
DEVLIN: For 8087
NYFD: Is that the box number, 80…?
DEVLIN: That’s the World Trade. That’s where we’re at, number Two, We’re at the South Tower.

NYFD: Yeah, yeah…
Edna? Edna? Pick up 263? Give this guy a rundown for Number Two, World Trade.

NYFD: Hello?
DEVLIN: Yes

NYFD: Okay, That’s Engine 211.
Ladder 11
Engine 44
Engine 22
DEVLIN:
Hang on. Engine 44?
NYFD:
Engine 22
Engine 53
Engine 40
Division 3
Battalion 10
Battalion 12
Ladder 16
Ladder 2
Ladder 13
Engine 221
Engine 23
Engine 209
Engine 212
279
230
229
235
220
216
217
238
214
Ladder 12
Ladder 118
Ladder 7
Ladder 24
High Rise 1
Battalion 11
Engine 74
Engine 76
Engine 47
Engine 58
Engine 91
Ladder 22
Ladder 25
Ladder 35
Ladder 4
Ladder 21
Engine 41
DEVLIN:
Ok. Thank you.

The South Tower would collapse 17 minutes after this phone call. The South Tower death toll:
9 Chiefs
9 Captains
25 Lieutenants
149 Firefighters
192 Total

The FDNY dispatched 121 engine companies, 62 ladder companies and 27 fire officers to the WTC All off-duty firefighters were recalled — the first time the FDNY had issued a total recall in over 30 years. They also deployed their only Haz-Mat unit, the mobile command center, the field communications unit, all five rescue units, both high-rise units, six of seven squad units, and one of two tactical support units.

In short they threw almost everything they had at the disaster – and then the kitchen sink.
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September 12, 2020 10:34am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Was that the time your idol, Donald J Trump, claimed he saw thousands of Muslims cheering, and then boasted that Trump Tower was now the tallest building in Manhattan?
  
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  September 12, 2020 10:48am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Oh yes, M&M – thank goodness you have made me realise!!!!
    That whole 9/11 thing was a plot organised by Trump so that he could boast his tower is the biggest.
    Are you for real?
    Maybe you should write a book about it.
    
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    September 12, 2020 11:46am
    - Tall Man
      
      There are quite a few things mikey should do but a book isn’t one of them.
      
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      September 12, 2020 12:53pm
      - sooty
        
        Oh, I don’t know, “My life as a troll in Frazer Hoouse basement!” It’ll be a best seller.
        
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        September 12, 2020 1:07pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Fucking lucky to write his own name. Copy and paster
      
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      September 12, 2020 6:13pm
Suze Wainwright

Is it just me or is there a certain sector of middle-aged, recently socially aware, ‘educated’, edgy (white) male professional who think Cindy’s a bit of alright?

Many of them possibly work in advertising & comms though…
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September 12, 2020 10:56am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner always sez he would…..
  
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  September 12, 2020 11:18am
  - Tall Man
    
    Oh Maggie, what does that say about you?
    
    Time to cut him off for a month so he learns to appreciate quality.
    
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    September 12, 2020 12:52pm
- Catgurl13
  
  Yes the ones wearing thick glasses!!
  
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  September 12, 2020 11:18am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nope, just thick.
    
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    September 12, 2020 12:50pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    And that now slightly less trendy designer stubble…
    
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    September 12, 2020 12:51pm
- Inandout
  
  Suze, to me she comes across as asexual, likes hugging and smiling, but is a tad untouchable.
  
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  September 12, 2020 11:26am
- plc
  
  I’m aware of a middle aged lawyer from one of the country’s largest law firms who purchased a life-sized painting of Ms. Ardern and has it on the wall in his dining room.
  
  Guess he can add 7% of his salary over $180,000 to the cost from now on.
  
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  September 12, 2020 12:25pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Might be a “motivator” for him to make sure he never sinks that low.
    
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    September 12, 2020 12:49pm
- Tall Man
  
  No, not in the ones that I meet.
  
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  September 12, 2020 12:48pm
oldfella

9/11 was more than a one-0ff terror attack on the West. It was part of a long term, and concerted Muslim-extremist campaign to destroy the way we live, and the freedoms we enjoy.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8723735/Al-Qaeda-threatens-Charlie-Hebdo-magazine-repeat-2015-attack.html
Looking forward to hearing some of our ‘They Are Us’ special people rejecting this extremism, in all its forms, carried out in the name of their faith.
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September 12, 2020 11:01am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Ho hum.
  There’s always some group waging a “campaign to destroy the way we live, and the freedoms we enjoy.”
  
  Good. It will keep us on our toes.
  The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
  
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  September 12, 2020 5:59pm
greybeard

NewstalkZB sports program this morning featured an interview with Sports Minister Robertson.
He predictably sidestepped any responsibility for NZ losing the Rugby Championship hosting rights, and passed the blame to the MoH ( Bloomfield ).
He said, and I paraphrase, that “they had always taken the advice of the MoH all through the CV-19 crisis so far and this decision was just a continuation of that trust”.
He also said ( another paraphrase ) that “quarantining and accommodating the Australians was one thing but that South Africa and Argentina were CV-19 cot-cases and that changed the whole decision-making process”.
My interpretation of that interview: Govt made what they know was a wrong decision and as usual blamed someone else.
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September 12, 2020 11:05am
- Hard Cheese
  
  South Africa and Argentina being COVID-19 “cot cases” is irrelevant deflection – they weren’t bringing the whole country in with them, just a squad of 60 people. If your quarantine and testing processes are up to scratch, any cases presented at the border will be picked up as they should be. They’re also quite happy to bring back planeloads of returning Kiwis from India, which is a far bigger “cot case” than either South Africa or Argentina.
  
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  September 12, 2020 12:01pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Visiting rugby players won’t vote labour.
    
    They also won’t immediately sign on for welfare either but hey, it ain’t cindy’s money is it?
    
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    September 12, 2020 12:47pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Yep, she’s trashing the joint before she exits to the UN.
      
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      September 12, 2020 2:20pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I think that horse has bolted.
        
        They want fools but not abject idiots. A crushing in the election will destroy the “illusion” forever so expect a veritable feast of freebies to keep ardern in office.
        
        At least we can call her out when she lies …… daily, and I am no longer a lone voice. Even David called her a fibber !!!!!!!!
        
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        September 12, 2020 6:22pm
- niggly
  
  Robertson demonstrates an appalling attitude … as Minister of Sports his number #1 job, and his only job, was to ensure this happened.
  
  Which meant being flexible. Which simply meant asking Dr Bloomfield to figure out a safe exemption process. How hard is that? Why get paid an astronomical amount of money to not even bother?
  
  What about in Robbo’s main role as Minister of Finance? Where were the briefings on the economic benefits to hospitality, tourism, travel, restaurants, hotels etc? Is Robbo asleep at the wheel?
  
  This is Robbo’s biggest FAIL.
  
  (And Jacinda is intertwined with him, how fitting, they both go down together)!
  
  Now watch them both “Smile and Lie” their way out of it (Kiwi’s won’t be buying it though)!
  
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  September 12, 2020 12:17pm
  - Harriet
    
    The biggest problem they are now having in QLD is the fact they let 100’s of NRL players, partners and coaches cross the border into a QLD resort for covid reasons.
    
    Meanwhile children aren’t allowed to cross the border to see their dying father.
    
    THE QLD Labour premier is now going to be thrown out at election time in a month or so. According to Labor voters on QLD talkback radio!!!!!
    
    OH — and at the resort — no social distancing because no one has covid OR can catch it.
    
    Yes you can have ‘safe exemptions’.
    
    It’s just that the ‘rich’ or ‘elites’ will have their freedom where as others won’t. And the government will be hated for it!!!!
    
    The only exemptions should be for health reasons – cancer, people visiting those dying……. – and govt security matters. No other exemptions.
    
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    September 12, 2020 3:02pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN7g-KVj12k
Act Or Lose Our Support.

Mike Pompeo has asked ASEAN nations to act, or lose US support.
He wants concrete actions against China in the South China Sea.
No doubt some leaders are waiting to see how the 2020
US election turns out. They have done well from the exit of
Factories from China. Thailand, and Vietnam have done well.
Hanoi has challenged Chinas ‘salami slicing’ tactics.
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September 12, 2020 12:50pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVxL4iJIaAA
Dem Official Arrested at Peaceful Riot.

Local authorities have taken a soft approach to ANTIFA/BLM rioters.
Those arrested are often not charged. Sometimes the process
Is repeated. It’s time to start using the RICO Act. A Dem staffer Ms Kristina Naryan
was arrested. Kamala Harris announced people should donate to
the Minneapolis ‘Freedom Fund’. Chancellor Palpatine is likely behind it. ANTIFA/BLM
rioters have a friendly DA in Portland. He is Mike Schmidt. People in the riot torn areas
tend to stay home. A rioter who had been arrested and processed has now been arrested by the Feds.
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September 12, 2020 12:51pm
surfing

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/122741361/this-just-cannot-happen-95-billion-at-risk-as-horticulture-sector-struggles-to-fill-25anhour-jobs

Thousand’s of jobs available, thousands on the dole.

Something is seriously f****d up!!
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September 12, 2020 1:16pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  it only pays 25 an hour if youre an animal worker, usually minimum wage with a minimum quota of bins to pick and once you go above that quota then you get a bonus payment per bin picked all done working 6am- 630pm in blazing hot sun 7days a week ya get a day off when it rains.
  Very few earn good money, the fact they rely on imigrant workers is an indication of the exploitation in the industry… kiwis arent that desperate or stupid to do the job.
  
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  September 12, 2020 5:02pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I planted pine trees many many years ago with a cpuple of mates and we did double the production of the regulars. Yes it was fucking hard work but the fitness that it gave me stayed with me for years.
    
    Worked for a painter as well for minimum wage so I made him a offer to do a cpouple of large jobs at a fixed price. Did both jobs in half the time so was able to double my income and it made him extra dollars as well.
    
    While at varsity one of my sons picked kiwifruit flowers. Tough job but was the number two picker in the crew and made enpough to keep him pissed through the following two semesters.
    
    I lived next door to a large market garden and the PI pickers were bloody useless.
    
    Attitude is the key plus a bit of ambition. Both are sadly lacking in many today and cindy isn’t addressing that.
    
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    September 12, 2020 6:14pm
    - Swifty
      
      Love it.
      
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      September 12, 2020 8:14pm
    - Harriet
      
      peeeeders is right about fruit picking — here further out in the State you can earn $3k a week as a top picker working 6 days.
      Planting pines pays a good $2k for 5 days, down here.
      
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      September 12, 2020 9:03pm
- sooty
  
  Work for the dole!
  Gotta get the nephs off the couch!
  
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  September 12, 2020 5:15pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Never fly, uncle shane made sure, to get the votes. But he will lose
    
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    September 12, 2020 6:16pm
  - Tall Man
    
    In theory, a great idrsa.
    
    In practice, even a patient fellow like yoursel;f would be hunting for the ball peen hammer after a day supervising useless fuckers.
    
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    September 12, 2020 6:17pm
Swifty

What the hell does Brent Impey mean when he says this?

“Impey also refrained from inflaming the political fallout of the loss of the championship to NSW, after Jacinda Ardern said the decision was the result of “Sanzaar politics”.

“This is election time, so cut her some slack on that,” Impey said of Ardern’s comments.”

That he believes it’s ok for the Prime Minister to lie at this point of the election cycle?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12364330
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September 12, 2020 1:28pm
- Ruahine
  
  Remind me again how much money Rugby New Zealand gets from the Taxpayers of New Zealand. That is where the answer might ‘lie.’
  
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  September 12, 2020 4:15pm
Swifty

More naked voter bribery by Labour:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12364369

And all at taxpayer expense.

It is both corrupt and contemptible.
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September 12, 2020 1:31pm
- Tall Man
  
  At least National allowing EVs in the bus lane doesn’t cost extra money.
  
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  September 12, 2020 6:03pm
- greybeard
  
  You don’t actually believe that they could implement this, do you ?
  Have you not heard of billions of trees, tens of thousands of new homes, elimination of child poverty, elimination of unemployed, city-wide rail travel, 100% renewable energy, 100% EV usage, etc etc ?
  
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  September 12, 2020 6:12pm
Critical Thinker

What are the odds of 31 phones accidentally wiped clean? ?

The phones belonging to members of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team were wiped clean of data before the Justice Department’s inspector general could comb them for records, the DOJ said in records released Thursday.

Newly released DOJ records show the phones were wiped of the data because of forgotten passcodes, irreparable screen damage, loss of the device and intentional deletion, among other reasons.

Mueller deputy Andrew Weissman “accidentally wiped” his device twice after he entered the wrong passcode too many times in March 2018.

Mueller’s probe found no evidence of criminal conspiracy or “collusion” between the Trump campaign and Russian officials.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1304594027770241026

#Treason

Nothing can stop what is coming.
Enjoy the show ??
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September 12, 2020 1:56pm
I remember when

l went to watch some Junior sport this morning at a local park. The weather was lovely and several games were played while I was there.
My sources tell me that the teams’ have spectator number limits but the crowd appeared similar to what I would normally expect.
Nobody was doing anything that would increase the threat of catching covid and an increase of threefold could have achieved the same spacing.
Surely, sport’s could have been required to monitor crowds and report on spectator safety aspects, for future changes in allowable activity.
Do we even have any idea how many people have caught covid while out of doors?
Has the number, or odds, of outdoor contact been covered at the 1pm source of all true facts?
I know that I am in much more danger at the local
Supermarkets!
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September 12, 2020 2:48pm
- Harriet
  
  “……I know that I am in much more danger at the local
  Supermarkets!…….”
  
  In danger from what — catching the flu and staying at home off work for a few days just like last year?
  
  Or in danger from what exactly — morbidities ?
  
  You can’t catch morbidities at Countdown! 😎
  
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  September 12, 2020 4:30pm
Benedict Yu

So the Greens are going to tax fertiliser so “farmers can be part of the solution to the climate crisis”.

Yay ?
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September 12, 2020 4:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Green Party will die this Election (I hope) but never fear, they will come back. The 10 year olds are being indoctrinated now
  
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  September 12, 2020 6:20pm
Ruahine

It would seem that these decisions are as much political as they are health decisions. Given as most of the decisions made by this Gov’t seem to lack commonsense this is what we have to put up with.
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September 12, 2020 4:12pm
I remember when

“You can’t catch morbidities at Countdown.”
Make a list of the morbidities and tell be how many things bought at the Supermarket may have contributed.
The cause of morbidities are a factor to consider when looking at morbidity assisted covid deaths.
Obesity, Alcohol, Smoking, High sugar content, Fat, Salt………
You may not catch morbidities at the Supermarket but you may be able to buy some possible causes.
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September 12, 2020 5:08pm
pseudonymous

Mike and Trite Again,
You did it again young fella-forgot to put (sarc) at the end of your infantile and more frequent juvenile meanderings. I’ve got to say though the Trump Tallest Tower diatribe gave me the biggest laugh of the day. I needed that as I have just seen another fluff piece about guess who? You’re right again. How does it feel to believe you are always correct-superior I bet. I hope they never ban you young fella as you are constant source of amusement..
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September 12, 2020 5:26pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Sure bro:
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/09/11/a-timeline-of-trumps-misleading-911-claims/#69780f535836
  The man’s a moronic and congenital liar. As for his dupes, let’s be charitable and say they are easily led.
  
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  September 12, 2020 6:05pm
  - RJ
    
    I certainly agree that someone that says boo fucking wooo about someone saying they have prostrate cancer is moronic. So is someone that thinks the sexual assault on kids at the labour youth camp is minor is moronic.
    
    Oh wait that was you on both of those.
    
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    September 12, 2020 7:11pm
    - Mike
      
      Someone coming on a blog to whinge about infection control at a medical appointment deserves no sympathy. I feel sorry for the hard-working public servants who have to treat him
      
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      September 12, 2020 7:44pm
      - RJ
        
        Nothing wrong with people having a whinge. Especially when they are stressed as most people with cancer are because of the screw up of this government closing the hospitals for several weeks and delaying people having tests they needed.
        
        You are in the wrong place if you don’t want to see people complain about anything.
        
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        September 12, 2020 8:14pm
      - Tall Man
        
        How about we ban driving and you walk everywhere you want to go from now because ……. cars kill people.
        
        18 deaths directly attributed to covid.
        
        Please list the suicides, car accident deaths, cancer deaths, flu deaths, heart attack deaths and just bad fucking luck getting old deaths.
        
        Grow up.
        
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        September 12, 2020 8:54pm
    - RJ
      
      Btw, someone so obviously letting off steam, if you couldn’t understand that and find it acceptable to say boo fucken woo to them saying they have cancer, then I’m really sorry you are that kind of person
      
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      September 12, 2020 8:19pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You’re talking about cindy again aren’t you?
    
    Strange how those of you that hate Trump don’t see the “connect” with cindy.
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oh boy, he is going all out tomorrow.
  Please don’t feed the obnoxious troll
  
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  September 12, 2020 6:39pm
  - Harriet
    
    Tomorrow ?
    
    Wait until Monday when ACT announce more people are going to leave for Australia — than vote for the Greens and NZF combined. 😎
    
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    September 12, 2020 6:59pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      How are they going to get there? Do any want to go to Victoria? Queensland is a bit negative too …
      
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      September 12, 2020 7:49pm
      - Harriet
        
        “…..How are they going to get there?….”
        
        By paying.
        
        NZ 100% Poor. 😎
        
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        September 12, 2020 8:38pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I’d happily go there as would any sane healthy person. At least it would be well away from cindy
        
        It doesn’t take a master mind to figure out that we have an outbreak filtering through our community here so the only difference between us and Oz is geographic.
        
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        September 12, 2020 8:51pm
AlphaWhiskey

Is it my imagination or have political polls sort of ‘shut down’ of late?

I seem to remember a TV1 poll in July and another one in June – but little since.

Anybody else think that our pollsters are MIA?
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September 12, 2020 6:30pm
- RJ
  
  I was polled online two weeks ago, seen no results. Couple of very leading questions in it slanted at Cindy.
  
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  September 12, 2020 7:09pm
Fletch

Take ‘The Drug Test’ to see if you know what the referendum is all about –

https://www.thedrugtest.nz/

It has only convinced me that the whole thing is a bad idea.
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September 12, 2020 6:39pm
- Mike
  
  Advocacy masquerading as a survey
  
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  September 12, 2020 7:31pm
  - Fletch
    
    Is it advocacy? I got the opposite feeling, like whoever put it up would be voting “no”. It certainly convinced me in that direction.
    
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    September 12, 2020 9:08pm
Harriet

Lock people up in their own homes without good reason and they will punch in walls and die of asbestos, along with the wife and kids. 😎

[In aussie huge amounts of older homes have asbestos, I’m being serious, unlike the governments.]
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September 12, 2020 6:46pm
gorse

Can a real poll result be “leaked”? I really would like to know where we are at, good or bad. Can some one have a chat to National?
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September 12, 2020 7:06pm
RJ

Sad sad news.

I was at a local nursery today. Run by the farmer on his farm. As the news came through about the greens attack farmers, the farmer went out to the front of the property and ripped down his greens sign. For as long as I have lived here he has had a greens sign up each election.
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September 12, 2020 7:08pm
- Don Beckett
  
  It may be sad that he has been deluded all that time; but in doing what he did, he has demonstrated a lot of wisdom.
  
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  September 12, 2020 7:39pm
  - Harriet
    
    It may be that farmers or those who support them buy from the nursery. Labour and Green renters wouldn’t shop there imo.
    
    Business is business and i’d imagine that the owner understands what the result is going to be if farmers are attacked.
    
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    September 12, 2020 8:41pm

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