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Maggie Pie

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September 15, 2020 8:01am
- pdm
  
  I heard Sean Plunket on Magic yesterday suggesting tthere was a rumour Ardern was going to dump the Hosking interviews.
  
  Probably because he was too tough on her.
  
  Time will tell.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:12am
  - Raphael
    
    The problem she has with that is Hosking is the top rated radio show at the moment.
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:39am
  - Inandout
    
    pdm, I don’t think she needs any more publicity, the die has been cast with the voting public. The C19 levels have been carefully planned to ease just before the election and the sheep bleat in unison. I heard worrying news from a friend in a normally safe National seat who fears the retired and young females will ensure a Labour win. The terror factor has won over the aged and infirm.
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:58am
    - pdm
      
      Inandout – at age 74 I will NOT be voting Labour.
      
      Electorate Vote National
      Party Vote ACT
      
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      September 15, 2020 9:57am
    - Flossie
      
      “Retired” is not necessarily Aged, nor Infirm!
      
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      September 15, 2020 11:23am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    I will bet my life on it, she won’t do it. She can easily refute anything Hosking says and get out of it. She lied about Sanzaar politics and nobody dare question her. Just imagine for a moment John Key said that. The MSM would have hounded him day and night.
    
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    September 15, 2020 9:57am
    - igm
      
      MSM must earn their share of taxpayers’ $50m or they will be in the unemployable queue.
      
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      September 15, 2020 11:40am
  - bruceavon
    
    I admire the fact she goes on each week to get pummelled. The Key National government often just refused to appear with John Campbell. He chased Hekia Pereta for years. Ardern could just tell him she won’t do it. I don’t think she really need to.
    
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    September 15, 2020 10:39am
    - Positan
      
      The difference was that Campbell was full-of-himself and rabidly Left and only sought, quite transparently, to score off Key.
      
      It’s readily discernible that Hosking seeks to cut through Ardern’s often tangible crap to elicit the actuality whatever it is, and however it falls.
      
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      September 15, 2020 11:34am
      - bruceavon
        
        You can’t claim Hosking is unbiased. He actually said vote for National before the last a election. But the difference is he clearly and honestly states his opinion whereas Campbell and others pretend to be impartial journalists. Huge hypocrisy there.
        
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        September 15, 2020 12:58pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      The Key National government never refused to appear on Campbell’s show. The reality is they stopped asking Key after he tore Campbell a new one in what was the most comprehensive train-wreck interview for years.
      
      It was actually Helen Clark who refused to go on his show, calling him an “odious little creep” after he ambushed her with the Corngate issue.
      
      Key discussing Campbell live: https://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/john-key-dismisses-campbell-live
      
      The interview where Key sliced Campbell into tiny little pieces: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWxdIMdkrKM
      
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      September 15, 2020 1:50pm
- Fletch
  
  I see Hosking was delighting in pushing anti Trump poll theory numbers at the end of his show, ending with “suck on those numbers” before signing out. Suffering badly from TDS. As I’ve said in the past, if Trump’s policies were put up against Biden’s in a blind test, Mike would be voting for Trump, no question…
  
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  September 15, 2020 10:15am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Other than “nap, hide, rest, read teleprompter” I’m not sure Biden has any actual policies.
    
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    September 15, 2020 2:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

David Parker admits to Labour’s disconnect with reality

” We thought it was right at the time”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/122754809/environment-minister-we-thought-it-was-right-at-the-time
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September 15, 2020 8:02am
- igm
  
  Many still awaiting Parker and O’Connor attending a Feilding Stock Sale and a beer at the Denbigh.
  They could explain their policies in full to many interested farmers and those associated with farming.
  They are certain to be “well catered for”!
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:09am
- tf78
  
  Funny how it was written by Bonnie Flaws.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:11am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Why would we convert some of the most productive farmland in the world to pine forest? To deal with the “climate crisis”. The rest of the world will think we are mad.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:17am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Indeed, a vastly stupid policy
    
    “A blanket of pines that will harbour pests and become a huge fire risk. We have just seen a big fire in the middle of winter with pines burning in the South Island.“
    
    Duh!
    
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    September 15, 2020 9:58am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Oh and here come the Greens:
  
  Marama says:
  
  “She outlined the Green Party’s new farming policy which would provide support to farmers to transition to regenerative farming and establish New Zealand as a leader in the organic market.”
  
  “The Greens want farmers to wean themselves off harmful fertilisers,
  
  Yes but 5 billion people would starve to death without those “harmful fertilisers”.
  
  What good has ever come of a politician trying to tell farmers how to farm?
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:19am
  - pdm
    
    Marama Davidson Minister of Agriculture and Culture – 2020 to 2023.
    
    How scary is that.
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:25am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Beyond impossible.
      
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      September 15, 2020 9:20am
  - fernglas
    
    If the Greens stopped their stupid no-GE policy, the farmers could probably get crops that needed much less fertiliser. They could produce much more food, as could starving people in third world countries. Hypocrisy abounds.
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:26am
  - G152
    
    especially one who has never actually worked on the land and espouses a regime decidedly un Kiwi.
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:26am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Everyone is an expert on farming, Benedict Yu, just like I’m an expert on how to run a supermarket or a school.
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:29am
  - alloytoo
    
    I’m sure she has a five year plan…..we know how well they go…..
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:48am
  - Raphael
    
    I’ve said it before and I say it again. A true conservation party, that sat in the dead centre of the political compass, and only had policies relating to conservation matters would wipe out the Greens.
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:57am
  - The Scunner Campbell
    
    Harmful fertilisers? This is organic farming…..
    https://debunkingdenialism.com/2019/09/01/pesticides-and-other-chemicals-used-in-organic-farming/
    
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    September 15, 2020 10:31am
  - GJM
    
    And are they going to pay more for the products? Organic farming yields are less , often much less, than conventional farming. The extra cost the hippies pay for organic produce goes some ways towards that, but I am pretty sure the average person won’t or can’t. The same applies for overseas markets.
    We will end up importing from overseas, from the likes of China, where food safety regulations are only a recommendation. In supermarkets already, NZ grown tins of fruit are twice the Chinese, so guess what sells the best.
    Not only will they be slashing the fertilizer use, they are banning supplementary stockfood, whcih is a backup for summer and for boosting milk protein levels. The use of PKE is limited as otherwise you get a grade and penalty from Fonterra, but it is a another tool available to manage production.
    On our farm, we use little fertilizer, but it is essential to get regrowth going before summer etc.We would have to reduce cow numbers by say 1/3, so income drops by 1/3. Costs remain the same, so immediately losing a huge amount of money.
    The most economic use for our farm is a housing estate, except we are zoned rural on a town border, so we could only sell it to some rich developer who will land bank it then pay off / bribe the Council to allow a plan change and clean up.
    
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    September 15, 2020 10:34am
- KevO'Brien
  
  That disconnect was how they go into Parliament in the first place.
  Who would employ many of the COL except as hammer hands or pick & shovel workers? WINZ candidates more like.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:34am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Kev, to swing a hammer or an idiot stick (i.e a stick with a shovel at one end and an idiot at the other) requires the ability to actually work and think.
    
    There are very few in Parliament, and only one (tops) on the CoL side, with that ability.
    
    Stick with “WINZ candidates” 🙂
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:43am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Yeah, I was being a bit generous to them but hopeful they could tell a claw hammer from a cat’s paw.
      
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      September 15, 2020 9:22am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  So what? They are still going to win with a thumping majority.
  
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  September 15, 2020 9:57am
JibberJabber

Finally, a candidate we can all vote for,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ775gMZYQE

President of the (new) World (order).
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September 15, 2020 8:02am
Yvette

Of those language policies which have accompanying costs –
The Maori Party also wants to spend $50 million to create a Māori Standards Authority, which would audit public sector agencies on their ability to engage in Māori tikanga, or culture and customs, and language plans.

The party also wants to double the funding of Te Mātāwai, an organisation dedicated to the revitalisation of te reo Māori, at a cost of $28m.
There would be $40m spent on early childhood and secondary school kaiako (teachers) to help them better learn te reo Māori. Another $20m would go to developing better te reo Māori resources

Each year someone asks How much is spent of Te Reo in a year?
The estimates range between $200 – $600 million.
And no one can itemise what it is being spent on before a few hundred more are thrown at the supposed deficiency.

So the above Maori Party costed policies would add another $138 million already – without including times so far unpriced.
Like changing the country’s name to Aotearoa will have a few associated costs.

So – just wondering for a friend – what value would be placed on elders, amongst whom much of the knowledge rests, who could be wiped from the face of the earth by an upsurge of covid?
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September 15, 2020 8:06am
- surfing
  
  big money.
  
  Pays to be maori these days.
  
  Sand dredging in Tauranga to allow bigger ships was very lucrative to maori — who could get paid for doing no work for it.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:33am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Maori are going too far. Their language is not fit for these times. Let those who want to use it on their Marae, if they have one.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:35am
  - kowtow
    
    It’s not the Maoris who are going too far ,it’s all the idiots in the media , gubmint , ngo’s etc who push it so relentlessly ( and no doubt at great expense directly/indirectly to the taxpayer)
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:45am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Nobody is more committed to ethnic languages that a single,white, middle class, university educated female. shorthand: a Karen.
      
      All the maori I work with are very proud of their whakapapa, but they are working to put their kids through school, pay of mortgages, run businesses, doing the parent run to school, sports, hobbies etc.
      
      ie., they are normal people with lives.
      
      But Karen’s know what is best for them, and for us.
      
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      September 15, 2020 9:16am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      They will learn when they have to compose editorials in it. I see pidgin Maori everywhere. This push to promote the lingo is actually helping to destroy it.
      
      The grammar is mostly ommitted or anglicised. The shortage of root words means the compound transliterations abound. Teaching it to young children will only cause serious confusion as the structures are vastly different but a hu is still a shoe by whatever renaming convention.
      
      With pronouns it’s even worse as there are a great deal more signifying relationships. Many of these denoting implied cultural boundaries between classes and sexes.
      
      The wise Maori Elders of the 1930’s stated their concerns that Te Reo would not work for their people for the future. Some reserved parts belong on the Marae and are restricted to people of approved standing as they concern ancient knowledge and genealogies, the basis of land titles etc. The Maori Land Court hears such matters.
      
      An oral-tradition society cannot expect their language to walk into the 20th century as anything other than a fossil. As for the quaint re-use of English words transliterated into Te Reo and then being fed back to us that is several steps too far.
      
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      September 15, 2020 9:42am
- Unity
  
  It’s just like throwing those millions down the gurgler. As long as I can remember millions have been given to ‘Maori’ to improve their lot, one way or another. So why nearly 2 centuries down the track do they still need a special allocation of taxpayer dollars?!! They should have long caught up by now – as many already have showing that it can and is being done.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:37am
  - Flossie
    
    The constant howls of “what are they doing for Maori regarding…”.(you name it!)
    The answer is, if They are doing it for New Zealanders, then Maori are part of that. Why does someone 25% Maori require anything more than someone is 0% Maori.
    Refugees have arrived here with nothing and no English and within a few years are topping their schools and doing very well.
    Stop the moaning and putting out of hands.
    
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    September 15, 2020 9:12am
    - Jimmy the Brush
      
      Just replace Romans for europeans …lol
      https://youtu.be/2ozEZxOsanY?t=56
      
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      September 15, 2020 12:14pm
- Nickc2
  
  What a waste of money! The Maori language is extinct as are Maori themselves. There are no true Maoris in NZ, only those mixed breeds who cling to myths of what may have been purely for financial benefit.
  If these people are so intent on resurrecting a dead language, they should pay for it ihemselves. Also, if they believe their endeavours will assist in raising so called Maori standards of living and achievement, let’s put it to a referendum.
  
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  September 15, 2020 9:17am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The problem is not so much the money. Let’s face it, one way or another that money is going to end up being spent in businesses probably owned by the same non-Maori who paid the taxes in the first place.
  
  The problem is the reinforcement of the primitive beliefs and values that are keeping Maori from getting ahead.
  
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  September 15, 2020 9:22am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Māori Standards Authority
  What Maori? We have 7 tribes in NZ and they are not the same.
  The Maori Party came afoul of that as the tribal affiliations of the party bosses collided with other Maori wannabe politicians of different tribes.
  
  This is an indigestible can of worms. It has the power to tear both Maori and Pakeha apart. Maori don’t forget their history or grievances and will not accept other tribal authority concerning them. Even the Maori King only has a few agreeing tribes. If we take sides…
  
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  September 15, 2020 10:12am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    More than 7 tribes Kev. They may have once arrived to these shores in the same Waka, but the divisions and rivalry between them exist. If there was no colonisation to distract them, I’d bet all the Kumera in the north island that there’d be intertribal warfare today.
    
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    September 15, 2020 3:10pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  TIL (today I learned), thanks to all the adverts on TV being subtitled, that the Maori words for KFC Hot & Spicy are…..
  
  ….wait for it….
  
  … you’ll never ever guess….
  
  KFC Hot & Spicy!
  
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  September 15, 2020 5:49pm
Peter Lane

When is someone going to realise that modeling is just speculative shit with no real factual basis?

Hendy irresponsibly throwing more numbers around.

Does he have no shame?
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September 15, 2020 8:09am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Ah but it feels “sciency” you wouldn’t want to be anti-science now would you.
  
  “Denier in Aisle 8, Cleanse Him!”
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:12am
- Scott
  
  Peter Lane – quite right. The modelling seems to be out by multiples of 10. Apparently 80,000 NZers would die if we didn’t lock down. Now Sweden didn’t lock down. We now have real world experience to draw on. The virus is over in Sweden.
  But here we are, still listening to the “experts”. Still trying to pursue “elimination”.
  
  It won’t work. Let’s use the full resources of the state to protect the elderly and the vulnerable. In exchange everyone else gets on with their lives. Go back to work, go back to school and no more lock downs.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:13am
  - G152
    
    And at some stage the dreaded lurgy is going to come here in spite of the attempts to stop it.
    So while the rest of the world is back in business we will be facing the horror and blaming Cindy.
    Who will be in the UN spreading her political nonsense
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:30am
  - Ian Boag
    
    use the full resources of the state to protect the elderly and the vulnerable.
    
    Can you elaborate on this?
    
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    September 15, 2020 9:16am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Why is it so hard for you to believe Cindy saved 80,000 lives when aunty Prue across the road worships Cindy for saving her from certain death. She is ready to vote Labour today if she could.
    
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    September 15, 2020 10:02am
  - Southtop2
    
    Hendy estimated on 80,000 deaths or 16,000 deaths/million however we have to date we have 24 deaths or 5 deaths/million.
    Sweden has 5846 deaths to date or 578 deaths/million.
    So 16,000 versus 578. Sweden’s actual death rate is 3.6% of the Hendy estimate or a difference of over 96%.
    Whether 578 deaths/million is acceptable would need further analysis i.e. did they die from or with COVID-19?
    However having ‘key’ advisors SO far away from reality needs investigating.
    (Stats from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ today)
    
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    September 15, 2020 10:06am
- kowtow
  
  Plenty of folk do realise.
  The problem is the supposedly clever Political Class .
  Two world leaders who haven’t bought the BS , the Pres’ of the US and Brazil are literally hate figures in for the Intl MSM. Trump and Bolsinaro are heros of common sense who other pollies should be emulating.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:21am
  - BeeJay
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Yep! Just let the people die! You could hardly call Bolsinaro and Trump “leaders” or “heroes of common sense” when it comes to their management of Covid-19!
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:56am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Everyone dies – and if you are very old or you are very sick you have a higher probability of dying in the next 6 months.
      
      No one commenting here wants people to die unnecessarily – they want a rational and considered response that doesn’t put others at risk of early death from cancer, heart disease and other treatable maladies.
      
      You need money to pay for these ongoing treatment programmes for cancer, heart disease etc
      
      You need to have everything open and operating to make those scanning and treatment programmes effective, as well generating revenue from economic activity to pay for those programmes…
      
      Throw away comments like yours are emotional and inaccurate…. take a reason pill and get off your emotional blackmail pill, because its making you ill…
      
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      September 15, 2020 9:14am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Dr Simon Thornley – Senior lecturer of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, The University of Auckland and Deputy Leader Elliot Ikilei discuss the current COVID crisis.
  https://www.facebook.com/ncdeputyleader/videos/1464047803787938
  ?
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:30am
- Ruahine
  
  Hendy has no shame?.
  
  Man it is all about the Fame.
  Probably getting an increase in funding from the taxpayer for providing the ‘correct’ information as and when required by the Gang of Four.
  
  Reminds me of Billy Joels song ‘The Entertainer’.
  Gotta stay in the ‘news’.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:31am
  - niggly
    
    Dr Bloomfield told Mike Hosking this morning that they consult with Hendy (including for yesterday’s Cabinet decision making).
    
    As a result presumably Hendy thinks he is a Very Important Person … and a “crucial” part of the government’s response to the “War on Covid”.
    
    He won’t be feeling any shame that’s for sure … as he provides further extreme “worse-case” modelling to back up the CoL.
    
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    September 15, 2020 9:35am
- Papalazarou
  
  Peter are you my old mate from KBHS?
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:36pm
KevO'Brien

Li-Meng Chan publishes the full details of how the Chicom virus was created. (A bit tech and lengthy but very revelatory.)
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/rogue-chinese-virologist-joins-twitter-publishes-evidence-covid-19-created-lab
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September 15, 2020 8:09am
- Critical Thinker
  
  “The receptor-binding motif of SARS-CoV-2 Spike cannot be born from nature.
  The purpose of this manipulation could have been to assess any potential enhancement of the infectivity and pathogenicity of the laboratory-made coronavirus.” – Dr. Li-Meng Yan
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:40am
- Simon
  
  CCP liquidated the early whistle blower doctors in Wuhan.
  
  CCP closed down Wuhan to stop internal spread in China but allowed tens of thousands of Wuhan effected to travel overseas.
  
  CCP here in Auckland attempted to talk NZ government in allowing people to fly into NZ from China in January. Trump Admin got a head of this game and talked NZ government into China travel ban. This stopped Auckland from being an epidemic center.
  
  Over the top CCP lockdowns in Wuhan scared people like Ardern to crashing NZ’s economy and others through out the world.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:45am
  - Raphael
    
    Ahhh, but if you point out what a brutal dictatorial communist regime did, the Lefties will accuse you of being xenophobic (as if criticising the CCP means you’re making racial slurs against those living under them) and then will attack Collins for having a Chinese-Samoan husband.
    
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    September 15, 2020 9:03am
- LTA1955
  
  If I were her and admiring her strength in confronting the CCP over their obfuscation around the Whuflu, I would move house every day until there is WOOWOO on the Whu, they will be looking for her with a big syringe full of nerve agent.
  
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  September 15, 2020 11:53am
I remember when

According to Worldometer Singapore has some rather strange Covid figures.
Since the 14 July to 13 September they have recorded 10,777 Cases, now have 625 Active and have recorded no Deaths.
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September 15, 2020 8:12am
- covfefe
  
  They have had > 57,000 cases and 26 deaths – cases mainly in young migrant workers. A South African colleague told me that had tested everyone in their company – 4000 positive cases, one death.
  
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  September 15, 2020 9:12am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Sorry Coffee – according to te Cindy one death is too many. She would rather let 100,000 businesses die and save one life.
    
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    September 15, 2020 10:04am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Sorry Coffee – according to te Cindy one death is too many. She would rather let 100,000 businesses die and ….attempt to ……save one life.
      Fixed it
      
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      September 15, 2020 11:18am
kowtow

There’s a delicious irony that the Media’s constant and OTT attacks on Trump will actually help get him across the line. It can’t be lost on centrist voters that ambushes on Cops are celebrated in certain sections of the community. Or that the virtue signalling , highly paid sports personalities and others are indirectly supporting such ambushes when they ‘take a knee” or endorse defunding the police.
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September 15, 2020 8:13am
- CJames
  
  It has been reported that the audience numbers for sport on US TV is well down. If that is true and continues, then the woke sportspeople could be forced to take a rapid salary cut. Oh no, how sad. Everything has consequences.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:26am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I see that the F1 wallahs, having allowed Lewis Hamilton to hijack the very white sport of F1 for Black Lives Matter, are now investigating Hamilton for wearing a political shirt at the Tuscany GP.
    
    Sorry fellas, but that horse has bolted, and it was you guys who left the stable door open.
    
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    September 15, 2020 12:46pm
Mike

Happy Battle of Britain Day!
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September 15, 2020 8:14am
- kowtow
  
  “What other reserves have we?”
  “There are none”
  
  ‘The odds were great ; our margins small ; the stakes infinite.’
  
  WSC
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:28am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Now that’s….a leader.
    Even in this darkest hour, he kept them going, he was upbeat….because he knew if he showed any form of panic…the nation would fall apart.
    
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    September 15, 2020 10:43am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “ Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour.”
    Britain was not winning at this stage, but the seed was laid and they persevered, now this is a leader.
    
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    September 15, 2020 10:46am
    - Bob
      
      Ah BUt! he was an ‘old stall pale male’, did not dispense hugs and wobbly head gestures to reassure the people; had he done so WW2 would only have lasted another two days and Coventry would not have been bombed.
      
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      September 15, 2020 2:54pm
- Simon
  
  Also 100 years ago the Polish Christian right defeated the left’s genocidal attempt to take over Europe.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:37am
- Gravelroad
  
  Not sure it is something to be happy about. Sure – remember it but be happy?
  Had an uncle (New Zealander) who joined the RAF as a spitfire test pilot then fighter pilot, who was shot down in that battle.
  Big devastation for family back here. He was never forgotten.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:47am
- mikenmildagain
  
  And a nice story about Keith Park:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122752101/fighter-replica-brings-thames-link-to-battle-of-britain-alive-on-80th-anniversary
  
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  September 15, 2020 10:26am
Simon

U.S. bans cotton, hair products, computer components, and some textiles from China’s Xinjiang province over forced labor issues.

From CNBC twitter.

No wonder those who simp for the CCP have TDS real bad.
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September 15, 2020 8:14am
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

Listened to Cindy on Mike!Mike!Mike! this morning

She really has no shame. Wonder if Scomo is going to turn the screw on her, now she is all in with her latest story of why we didn’t want the sport here.

She was ever, ever so reasonable as she gently chided Mike for his ignorance.
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September 15, 2020 8:14am
- Simon
  
  If Cindy told the truth she would be out of a job.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:35am
  - Nickc2
    
    Bring it on!
    
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    September 15, 2020 10:08am
- yossarian
  
  I listened to her and felt like saying, ok can you now put your mum or dad on the phone.
  
  Oh how did she ever get in that position????
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:52am
  - calendar girl
    
    “Oh how did she ever get in that position????”
    
    By Peters choosing three years ago, after the General Election, a combination of parties that ignored National’s 7.5% higher vote than that which Labour achieved.
    
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    September 15, 2020 9:31am
    - calendar girl
      
      Stuck in moderation for an hour?
      
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      September 15, 2020 10:29am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “Oh how did she ever get in that position????”
    
    Winnie did it.
    
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    September 15, 2020 9:39am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, she has no shame – just spins the story to suit any occasion whether it is true or not.
  Gets away with it though – so if it works, why not?
  The expediency of politics on display.
  Will await appearance of SCS to assure us that the sheeple still adore her and will vote for her no matter what.
  And the reality is that he/she is correct. They will.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:53am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “Men are so simple of mind, and so much dominated by their immediate needs, that a deceitful man will always find plenty who are ready to be deceived.”
    ― Niccolò Machiavelli
    
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    September 15, 2020 10:03am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      All that is old, is new again.
      
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      September 15, 2020 10:03am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    It is such a pleasure to see how slowly people are waking up to what I have saying all along like a cracked record. We have to get through next 3 years somehow. If we are all still alive by then may be Cindy could be overthrown in 2023.
    
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    September 15, 2020 10:06am
I remember when

Can we reasonably expect everyone to follow the same rules, behave in the same way?
Our survival instincts encourage us to act independently for the preservation of the human race.
It ensures that not everyone is subject to the same dangers at the same time.
Evolution.
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September 15, 2020 8:15am
hullkiwi

Oh dear, Jacinda dug herself a hole over the rugby, so she got on the phones to ScoMo to make sure the Wallabies play some rugby in NZ.

Problems for Jacinda:
1. ScoMo owes Jacinda nothing, especially after her grandstanding in February, and she is Labour not National. So sympathy for JA being in a hole, probably nil;
2. Then there is the minor matter of Austealia being a democracy, so ScoMo can tell Rugby Australia a fat zero; and
3. 24 hours after being completely indifferent to the plight of rugby, JA suddenly is fighting their corner.

Really, she did it to herself, she is in a hole and she is trying to pass the blame back to the Aussies.

If the Aussies two finger her, this is a political disaster for her, all of her own making. Oh dear, how sad, NOT!
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September 15, 2020 8:19am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ardern is becoming more puffed up by the day. She seems fragile, as shown in Parliament. This campaign may be the finish of her.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:39am
  - hullkiwi
    
    It may be. On the RNZ page she is being called out by Auckland shopkeepers about her lies too.
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:48am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      Unfortunately – being on the TV every day for six months at the same time has made her invulnerable. I believe she will win by a landslide – but it is only her. Nobody knows a single other person in her cabinet.
      
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      September 15, 2020 10:31am
      - Flossie
        
        No way would I ever vote for her or her party but that’s nonsense to say nobody knows a single other person in her cabinet,
        We can all list the failures…. Phil Twyford, Megan Woods, Chris Hipkins, David Parker, Kelvin Davies and so on.
        Knowing who they are doesn’t help their cause though.
        
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        September 15, 2020 11:51am
  - lifesgood
    
    Can’t say I’d be sorry. She is a complete flake, way out of her depth, actually a disgrace to democracy.
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:49am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Yeah right. Toxic Tova, who is another skeleton will give her tips as how to survive on one glass of water every day.
    
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    September 15, 2020 10:08am
- Nookin
  
  Hosking’s interview of the PM this morning was a tad scary.
  First, PM said that the “Sanzar Politics” of which she complained, involved commercial considerations.
  Dear me, Sanzar considered the cost of complying with PM’s rules and found it unpalatable. Naughty people. Every knows that cost is never a factor. After all, PM and her mates throw money every regardless of accrued benefits (or the perception thereof).
  
  Then, all of a sudden PM is an expert in staging rugby tournaments and is able to advise Sanzar that she really had Rugby’s interests at heart and knew what was good for them. She was doing them a favour and saving them from disaster.
  
  On top of all that, she anointed herself Rugby’s spokesperson and did a deal with Scomo –sharing up rugby’s spoils. We are just so lucky to have her.
  
  How is it that rules prescribed by the Director-General of Health, rules that are supposed to be clear cut and measurable, suddenly become negotiable and deals can be cut a month out but no-one can tell us what will happen one week from today?
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:52am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Didn’t you know that Ms Ardern is the spokesperson for everything but the expert on nothing?
    
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    September 15, 2020 9:04am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Jacinds is so ignorant of sport: to claim a 15 person bubble is sufficient for rugby training. She obviously hasn’t seen how a game uses the full compliment of reserves.
      
      The bigger question is whether the rugby loving trady will counter the Covid scared middle aged woman and her parents. I suspect the polls are heading blue, the way Jacinda is trying to patch up the matches for NZ.
      
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      September 15, 2020 10:51am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    jacinda’s decision making:
    Lost votes…..or ……….verbal contradiction
    Lost votes ..or ..safety of NZ (as prescribed by her earlier)
    
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    September 15, 2020 9:49am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Question:
  Since she is supposedly SSSOOO far ahead in the polls, why did she even contemplate this stunt?
  1. Polls were a lot tighter, when Helen Clark did it re the World Cup hosting.
  2. Does she know something we don’t?
  3. Is she trying to distract us before the first debate?
  (most likely)
  
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  September 15, 2020 9:54am
CJames

So the Prime Minister has decided to ease restrictions to possibly allow the Bledisloe cup to go ahead. No doubt she will say it was a medical, not a political decision. Does this count as another lie, or are the Labour Party suddenly terrified at all the votes they would lose?
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September 15, 2020 8:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

A forest ecologist explains:

Through a century of fire suppression, we have turned our California forests into a tinderbox, a fire accident waiting to happen.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/14/california-fire-suppression-forests-tinderbox
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September 15, 2020 8:21am
- kowtow
  
  And we can thank the “environmentalists” for that , not climate scam or Trump.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:30am
- Swifty
  
  But Stiffy said it was all down to climate change.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:30am
  - Raphael
    
    And Pelosi was saying it was Mother Nature expressing her wrath at the American right.
    
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    September 15, 2020 9:08am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      good thing she had a hair cut, less fuel for when she sets her hair on fire.
      
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      September 15, 2020 9:45am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Funny, about two decades ago I saw an Australian documentary including an aboriginal women doing a burn off an area deliberately to reduce the fire risk of higher growth. She was acting illegally I think but said this was the way aboriginal tribes had for hundreds of years reduced fire risk.
    
    But no, this is all Mother Nature squealing in pain…
    
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    September 15, 2020 10:46am
oldpark

Once NZs control freak Ardern heard the Australian Rugby Coach Dave Rennie say there was no way his team would meet the crazy Quarantine or else criteria set down by the dumbo Ardern gang for Two Bledisloe Cup Games in NZ .
Once she heard what he said . Well seems she turned the colour of bad shit. She knew her Management Ineptitude and Intransigence had already cost NZ the rights to host the Rugby Championship .
She knew another fuck up would make her look and sound even dumber as she had lied like a small child when she put the boot into Sanzaar blaming them on dirty politics .
Yes she was running scared and in a panic rang the Australian Prime Minister telling him to save face and maybe give her a wee bit of credibility as up to then she had none. Suddenly the cap in hand worked Australian Prime Minister took pity on the silly wee Girl when she said that the Quarantine Rules for Australian Rugby Team would be eased
allowing perhaps for the Two International Rugby games to take place .
Special thanks to NZs Dave Rennie making the common sense call regarding the punitive Quarantine System owned by Control Freak Ardern and her sycophants. Seems he has shown Ardern and gang how to suck eggs.
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September 15, 2020 8:28am
lifesgood

Doesn’t Jacinda realise that Mike Hosking knows his own name?
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September 15, 2020 8:32am
- Nickc2
  
  Its called talking down to ….. when someone keeps addressing the interviewer by their first name. She usually precedes an obfuscation statement with the interviewer’s first name and if you listen closely enough, you will hear her stamp a foot prior to annunciating the name.
  
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  September 15, 2020 9:52am
  - Observer of Life
    
    She uses it as a delay tactic too .. so she can come up with some bullsh*t answer.
    
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    September 15, 2020 7:06pm
- Sacha
  
  He could turn it back on her : but try saying Jacinda, Jacinda, Jacinda, Jacinda, Jacinda x5 in a 5 minute interview.
  Gee, the longer I look at it that name seems more meaningless –
  
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  September 15, 2020 10:00am
- Ruahine
  
  Covid is nothing more than a Labour control mechanism.
  
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  September 15, 2020 1:33pm
Simon

Comrades NZ’s chicken shit economy is built around debt growth. If debt growth stops then its game over.

Bring in hundreds of thousands of Chinese & Indians they all need credit cards and house loans.

Auckland Shitty Council has no money for its white elephants borrow borrow borrow.

Pump the housing market. 2% house loans. Everyone is a winner.
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September 15, 2020 8:34am
thetiedarch

And in real news today: astronomers discover strong signs of likely microbial life on Venus.

Yes, this is a Reddit link, but the top comment gives a very good run down of what they discovered and what they think it means: https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/iskmro/link_to_the_royal_astronomical_societys_not_so/g58l9r0/
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September 15, 2020 8:39am
- Phronesis
  
  I think the fact that phosphine shouldn’t be stable in the Venusian atmosphere at all suggests that our understanding of what is going on is quite limited. It’s still more likely to be chemical than biological in origin.
  
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  September 15, 2020 9:50am
john1234

A clear case of “we have principles, and if you don’t like these ones we have others” …

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2020/09/rugby-revealed-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-s-late-night-phone-call-to-rescue-bledisloe-cup-series.html
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September 15, 2020 8:40am
Tony Stuart

The PM has shown a high degree of gymnastic brilliance with her sudden willingness to change quarantine regulations for the Bledisloe Cup. Her ability to back-flip is exceptional!

https://twitter.com/TonyStuart55/status/1305606095646326784
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September 15, 2020 8:40am
- sooty
  
  Along with dancing on the head of a pin!
  
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  September 15, 2020 10:41am
rangitoto

Argument for the artificial nature of SARS-CoV-2 from Dr. Li-Meng YAN et al.

https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X1_VEIaxUSi
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September 15, 2020 8:45am
hullkiwi

Oh dear, it appears dear Leader Jacinda has either been misinterpreting statistics or telling out right promises again.

I write this because over on the RNZ news page is a piece by RNZ reporter Katie Todd reporting that downtown Auckland shop owners have not been seeing the economic bounce back claimed by Jacinda. Jacinda claimed yesterday that economic activity was back to that seen at Level 1, downtown Auckland shop keepers are disputing this.

Looks like bureaucrats and Jacinda are using statistics in a misleading way. Oh dear, looks more like a case of trying to fool some of the people with a twisted set of facts via a compliant media, rather than taking the cameras into deserted shops in Auckland’s downtown.
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September 15, 2020 8:47am
- hullkiwi
  
  How did “outright porkies” become “out right promises”. Bloody predictive text! Sorry for confusion.
  
  The first sentence should have read “…or telling out right porkies.” instead.
  
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  September 15, 2020 9:21am
  - bennerg
    
    Interestingly both words actually work. Promises, promises!
    
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    September 15, 2020 1:42pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    For the Labour Party they’re one and the same anyway
    
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    September 15, 2020 2:18pm
- old skool reactionary
  
  Its just the central CBD. Most of the office workers are at home and probably never return. All the international students are gone. Immigration fire hose is temporarily shut off, so no new arrivals seeking temp accommodation in CBD concrete dog box towers. Big flash shopping mall just opened at the bottom of Queen St soaking up any remaining street foot traffic.
  
  Vote chasing Princess Cindy has done everything right to keep the Globalist shit show on the road – slashed interest rates to zero, flood economy with liquidity.
  
  House prices rocketing. (Go Boomers!)
  Consumer spending buoyant -Harvey Norman’s 60 months interest free!
  
  Inequality growing.
  Child poverty same old same old.
  Housing affordability further deteriorating.
  
  Princess Cindy will do Pork Barrel politics to stop her supporters getting too angry about her failure to deliver anything of substance on the economic inequality front – which is her own self justification for being in politics.
  
  Here’s to another 3 years of Globalism with a sugar coating of #BeKind.
  
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  September 15, 2020 10:11am
  - Cobolt24
    
    While I agree with you, the monetary side is done by the RBNZ not any political party. That being said, actions of the government can of course affect the reserve banks decision making.
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:53pm
CJames

I note the Australian Labor Party will go into the next election without a climate target. The Government has told the power companies that if they don’t sort out issues about closing the coal fired Liddell, they will build a gas fired power station and have more gas drilling. Could the realisation of the stupidity of the renewables policy be finally starting to sink in? I wonder when it will hit here, though ACT has given it a fair nudge.
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September 15, 2020 8:47am
Tomtoddy

I do not want to be a conspiratist. I have resisted believing there are “reds under the bed” and that all the dots connect but I am losing my resistance.

Go look at https://www.eastonspectator.com/2020/08/14/the-real-reason-they-want-you-to-hate-donald-trump/

It is highly disturbing. But somehow it is compelling. It is believeable.
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September 15, 2020 8:49am
- alloytoo
  
  Trump is a disrupter, he is also not beholden to the traditional power structures of the either side.
  
  That terrifies the establishment.
  
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  September 15, 2020 9:11am
  - old skool reactionary
    
    US President Trump is the first since Carter to NOT start a new war on some 3rd world dump.
    
    He’s even tried to withdraw from the M.E., but his enemies inside and outside his administration do “chemical attack on civilians!” hoaxes and so on to thwart him.
    
    If wasn’t giving Israel everything on their wish list, Trump would have already faced a similar fate as Kennedy.
    
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    September 15, 2020 9:51am
- Inandout
  
  Tom, BLM/Antifa and other such groups which Soros has a hand in propping up, merely aid Trump.
  https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/5f5f9380c1981470619f76eb
  Statistics point to Soros being gone soon.
  
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  September 15, 2020 9:36am
Maggie Pie

Honestly! Some people are sooo ‘thin skinned’.
All i tweeted was …that frock does nothing for your bingo wings.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eh09sNHUcAAFfM9?format=jpg&name=medium
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September 15, 2020 8:51am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Her comments, do nothing to inspire my opinion of her intellect.
  
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  September 15, 2020 9:41am
- Gravelroad
  
  Hmmm- Hilary Barry is pretty good at giving out the insults, personal comments and “look at moi”
  instructions.
  Like a lot of soft “celebrities “ maybe she can dish it out but not so keen to take it.
  
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  September 15, 2020 9:47am
- C J Southern
  
  I’m not sure I’d want to continue life as I know it without being able to read her tweets.
  
  No – wait – I forgot – I don’t use Twitter … at all.
  
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  September 15, 2020 10:17am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    OED
    Talk rapidly and at length in a trivial way.
    ‘he twittered on about buying a new workshop’
    
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    September 15, 2020 10:50am
surfing

So rugby gets saved because it is high profile.

What about other businesses that are maybe not so sexy?

Will jacinda be making phone calls for them?
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September 15, 2020 9:00am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It all depends on whether there are votes in it for Labour. I suggest the PM got the message clearly over the weekend that punters were holding HER, not SANZAAR to blame for the Rugby Championship cock-up.
  
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  September 15, 2020 9:24am
  - Nickc2
    
    And rightly so.
    
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    September 15, 2020 9:27am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Indeed. Her “SANZAAR politics” line was pure, unadulterated bullshit, and she was called out on it by multiple sources.
      
      If she truly let “the most open and transparent government New Zealand has ever seen”, she would admit when she makes a mistake, not make up a story to deflect blame. That is neither open nor transparent.
      
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      September 15, 2020 10:55am
      - alex Masterley
        
        Tony, If the government was open and transparent the writen version of the “covid plan” we keep hearing about would have been out there for all to see. But its not.
        
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        September 15, 2020 12:04pm
Catgurl13

So all school kids club football has now been cancelled for the rest of the season. School football not yet cancelled. My 16 yr old son has played less than half of a season in both. This due to not being allowed to be together as a team. Yet at school the kids are sitting in normal seating again ,not spaced out at all and within the govt requirements. Why then ruin the club football ,when kids are sitting together in school classes of 20- 30?. It makes no sense. Most are not wearing masks at school either. We were told kids aren’t affected by Covid,so why restrict them at all? We have also lost all that money in fees we have paid due to a bit of Covid flu.
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September 15, 2020 9:25am
- bruceavon
  
  Yeah my boys too. Just got the notice. Chance they would get covid out in the open so remote. And the exercise and games so good for them! Playing football makes them so much happier on Saturday’s. Bloody annoying.
  
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  September 15, 2020 1:41pm
Inandout

The Consumer site this week is kiritaki which leads me to suspect they are part funded by the government. They have pulled back on their Green campaigning since Chetwin left.
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September 15, 2020 9:29am
- Ruahine
  
  Kedgely is still there.
  
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  September 15, 2020 1:28pm
Rusty

Don’t get me wrong I love the game of rugby but I do wonder how 30 people can be on a footy field spilling sweat, spit, and blood on each other while the rest of us are told to social distance and wear masks.

Why are the Auckland mitre 10 rugby team allowed to travel around NZ playing games when other Aucklanders are discouraged to travel and do business outside of Auckland?
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September 15, 2020 9:35am
- MCos
  
  They’re not.
  
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  September 15, 2020 9:54pm
RW Capitalist

Jacinda:
What is the difference between a Wallaby and a returning New Zealander?
Length of time in managed isolation?
are wallaby’s less susceptible to carrying covid19 ?
or
Is there an election coming?
“Bread and circuses” (or bread and games; from Latin: panem et circenses) is a metonymic phrase referring to superficial appeasement. It is attributed to Juvenal, a Roman poet active in the late first and early second century AD — and is used commonly in cultural, particularly political, contexts.
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September 15, 2020 9:38am
- oob
  
  Juvenal, a Roman poet..
  
  Small quibble I know but satarist might be a better description.
  
  But the point I wish to make is about pronunciation. You see the Romans didn’t have a J in their alphabet, so his name is actually spelt Iuvenal and pronounced “you-ven-al” instead of the pronunciation of the word “joo-ven-al” in English to describe an adolescent.
  
  Now here’s the intesting etymological quirk: even though modern Italian has both and I and a J, the first syllable of the Turin football team Juventus is also pronounced “you.”
  
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  September 15, 2020 12:23pm
- MCos
  
  The rugby team has to spent a fortnight in isolation.
  
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  September 15, 2020 9:56pm
Gravelroad

What sort of opportunistic hanky waving is this?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/300107158/election-2020-financial-sector-will-have-to-report-on-climate-change-risk-in-worldfirst-move

The Greens know nothing about the “financial sector” except how to spend other peoples’ money and make up more and more useless regulations .
All youse out there losing your businesses because of the covid hysteria, I hope you will value this proposal highly and be thankful – haha.
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September 15, 2020 9:42am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Stupid, James Shaw. How can anyone evaluate climate change risk? There are scientists out there who are predicting a serious long term cold period starting soon, if not already. Where have the sunspots gone? Is the Earth not a guest in the Universe and not affected accordingly.
  Only the foolish pretend to predict the unknowable.
  
  (There will be money in it for Green Experts as they will be the only ones to give accredited opinions. Taniwha?)
  
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  September 15, 2020 10:25am
  - cmm
    
    The biggest climate change risk is the same as the biggest CV19 risk:
    
    That people do dumb shit and break the economy.
    
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    September 15, 2020 10:37am
  - alloytoo
    
    The only rational way to prepare for climate change is to secure energy resources.
    
    With cheap reliable energy you can do anything.
    
    So it doesn’t matter if you need to heat the air or cool it.
    
    Energy systems which rely on the weather and ultimately the climate do not do the job.
    
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    September 15, 2020 11:02am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Keep you eyes on the LENR goings on. There are several major contenders at present undergoing or about to be undergoing commercial production testing. 2021 may reveal an energy revolution. I am heartened by the international competition.
      
      It’s getting fascinating seeing the demos and hearing the argument about how the energy is being produced–current physics doesn’t cut it but there is no consensus about the new.
      Labs world wide are showing elements being created in the presence of plasma proving atomic processes are taking place, but, without radiation. One contender is “harvesting” 4Kw of electricity continuously from a 100cm3 plasma reaction chamber. ( yes, only 100 cubic centimetres in total!)
      
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      September 15, 2020 12:13pm
Surely Knott

Henry Enoka Kea and Liam Hourigan have pleaded guilty to the most heinous of crimes (kidnapping, burning, bashing, amputation, shooting etc.) They are named but why is there no picture with the article or description of of the attackers – eg are they gang members? What is the standard in nz regarding criminals and appearing in the news. Do the public hav the right to know?
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September 15, 2020 9:59am
- cmm
  
  Speculation:
  They’re Wally’s mates. They agreed to come easy so long as they got special treatment.
  
  PS: Victims of colonialism.
  
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  September 15, 2020 10:56am
- Ruahine
  
  Sounds like some of Andrew Little’s mates.
  
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  September 15, 2020 1:23pm
- Inandout
  
  Surely: just maybe if you put a photo up some influential person who has had ‘dealings’ with them can’t honestly say they hadn’t seen them before.
  This woman though escaped and she will have to use concealer to hide her trademarks.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300104890/murderer-on-the-run-in-auckland-after-escaping-on-way-back-from-hospital
  
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  September 15, 2020 1:44pm
trout

Just returned from Thames after viewing the newly erected, superbly created, replica Hurricane fighter plane at the ( Sir Keith Park) airport. The community in Thames has been commemorating Battle of Britain day and, in particular, celebrating the life of Sir Keith Park (a great New Zealander) and his role in the Battle of Britain. Sir Keith and his life and work (he was a driving force behind the building of the Auckland Airport at Mangere) are barely recognized in Auckland.
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September 15, 2020 10:02am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I dunno – isn’t there another replica Hurricane at MOTAT?
  
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  September 15, 2020 11:04am
- mandk
  
  Agreed. Keith Park was a great New Zealander.
  
  If it were not for him and Hugh Dowding, the Battle of Britain might well have been lost, opening the way for an invasion of Britain by Hitler’s troops.
  
  Imagine what Europe and the rest of the world would have been like, if that had happened.
  
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  September 15, 2020 11:22am
mikenmildagain

This is wild:
Senior Trump official thinks the CDC is plotting to assassinate him!
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/michael-caputo-scientists-sedition-cdc-hhs-facebook
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September 15, 2020 10:36am
hullkiwi

From the party that became the accidental government in 2017 with no policy platform we saw 200 plus working groups and committees for the following 3 years.

Now 3 years on, after achieving very little in government, we arrive at the election of 2020. Now, in the intervening 3 years you would have expected Labour to formulate policy of its own. But no, instead it has done one better……

It didn’t steal National’s policy in 2017 and implement it in its first term of government. No, instead it has stolen the National government’s policy from July 2017, that it didn’t implement dduring the last 3 years, and is now packaging it as its own election promise for 2020.

With that I give you Chris Hipkins, and his announcement this morning promising to scrap the decile system for funding schools.

Hikins announcement 15th September, 2020
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/426066/labour-pledges-to-focus-on-apprenticeships-scrap-decile-system

But wait, the only problem for Hipkins is that his pledge to scrap the decile system was not his policy, he just failed to implement it, because here is a RNZ piece from 31 July 2017.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/336178/school-decile-system-to-be-scrapped-by-govt

Three years on, Labour are still clueless as to what to do in government…..
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September 15, 2020 10:44am
- alloytoo
  
  “Labour will replace school decile system with Equity Index, a change ‘likely to be disruptive for many schools'”
  
  I always thought the decile system was an equity index?
  
  Government compensates for the “Wealth” of high decile schools by giving low decile schools much much more money.
  
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  September 15, 2020 10:58am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Alloytoo, the decile system was based on the income level of the area/catchment that a school is located in. The theory is that a Decile8 to 10 school benefits from being in a well off area. But it doesn’t work that way, especially if well off families send their darlings to schools out of zone or to private schools. I know of a decile 9 school that has a school role where on average the incomes of the parents put the school at a decile 4 to 5 level.
    
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    September 15, 2020 12:12pm
  - Groggy
    
    The decile system is based on old methods of data collection. As data was kept in silos there wasn’t any reliable way to easily assess the needs of the actual students (and be able to easily update that as the population changed). Which led to the decile being assigned based on the population in the area. Now that every child can be tracked via their NSN and data can be matched with other agencies (MSD, Health) it allows the school to be assessed on the history of their students families rather than the local residents.
    
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    September 15, 2020 4:08pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Have I upset the Labour trolls by chance? They can’t argue the vacuous nature of their MPs announcements, or lack of implementation of policy over the past three years, but they sure as well can down tick valid comment on Kiwiblog!
  
  By the way downtickers, looks like Ashley burst Jacinda’s bubble this morning by suggesting the first case in the Auckland cluster came in the border. ButJacinda remains unconvinced, is this because Megan was meant to be covering the borders and failed at that too, like the past 3 years of failures?
  
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  September 15, 2020 11:40am
  - alloytoo
    
    Where else would it have come from……unless she failed to eradicate it the first time.
    
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    September 15, 2020 1:32pm
kowtow

In more news from the British Isles , their Cultural Revolution and surrender to the tiny and largely online mob by people who should know better ,continues.

‘Edinburgh University has renamed its David Hume Tower over the philosopher’s “comments on matters of race”.’

That after only less than 2000 online signatures.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-54138247

And “RADA students demand George Bernard Shaw’s name be dropped from drama school’s theatre because of playwright’s support for eugenics and fascism”

Shaw is a Nobel laureate.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8727849/amp/RADA-students-demand-George-Bernard-Shaws-dropped-drama-schools-theatre.html
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September 15, 2020 10:55am
- Harriet
  
  Fuck they are ignorant and as stupid as all fuck:
  
  If they keep pulling statues down because no one is perfect — then all that will be left standing are Crosses.
  
  I’m not complaining. 😎
  
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  September 15, 2020 11:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Crosses???
    
    Oh no…. they’re all to come down…
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3525893
    
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0309/S00542/choudharys-cross-purpose-in-palmerston-north.htm
    
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    September 15, 2020 1:28pm
kowtow

More business friendly policy from this mob.

‘Cabinet has agreed to require large banks, insurers, NZX-listed companies, fund managers and Crown financial institutions to make annual climate risk disclosures.

These will cover governance arrangements, risk management and strategies for mitigating any climate change impacts. Businesses that don’t make the disclosures, will be asked to explain why.’

https://www.interest.co.nz/business/107048/banks-insurers-nzx-listed-companies%C2%A0and-fund-managers-among-those-be-required-report
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September 15, 2020 11:07am
- hullkiwi
  
  Costs that will be passed on to the consumers.
  
  Where are the benefits of such policies, requirements? Such reports will be read by the likes of Greenpeace, who will in turn pressure governments to act on climate change. Thereby completing the circle of virtuous woke signalling. All the while costing Joe and Joanne Punter even more to buy their first home.
  
  Woke stupidity at it’s best!
  
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  September 15, 2020 12:04pm
- rockape
  
  I would like to see businessmen have to report on how Socialism is likely to adversely affect their businesses.
  
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  September 15, 2020 1:15pm
- artemisia
  
  What happens when these businesses produce a large volume of evidence that (say) global warming is not anthropogenic but caused by the sun. And publish their risk mitigation strategy for that.
  
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  September 15, 2020 2:36pm
kowtow

Any murals for Mr Atkins ,riots across the west , or a BLM movement ( B for bipolar ) , calls for Scomo or Dictator Dan to resign due to institutionalised discrimation against the mentally vulnerable ……

…….crickets.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/australia/man-coma-after-alleged-car-ramming-kick-cops

On a serious note , the Victoria Police are taking things far too far.

Literally run down and then stomped on . Good thing he’s an ‘Atkins’ or there would be hell to pay.
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September 15, 2020 11:18am
artemisia

Well here’s a real surprise. Rent freeze is coming off and some rents are going up.

Tenant ‘Zoe’ had this to say about her upcoming rent increase –

“It’s kind of evil, honestly and it’s very cynical that they’ve done it as soon as they possibly could.”

Actually the rent she is paying – $330 pw, rising to to $370 pw – is not out of the way for Wellington these days. Maybe she should be looking for a room in a flat if she can’t find her own place she can afford.

She should also be telling Ministers that it is their policies that are causing rental shortages / rent increases.

‘Zoe’ did say her flat is damp and mouldy. If that’s the case, she has recourse to the Tenancy Tribunal if the landlord is at fault. More likely it is lack of ventilation and cleaning.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12364975
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September 15, 2020 11:39am
- Inandout
  
  arte, many Labour voters rent…oh dear..never mind…Jacinda is wonderful.
  
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  September 15, 2020 12:45pm
- Ian Boag
  
  There was more to the story. She has an assistance dog which makes it hard to find “a room”. Rent going up 15% …. because landlord can. It is what it is.
  
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  September 15, 2020 12:50pm
  - artemisia
    
    Yes there is more to ‘Zoe’s’ story. Basically she has lost her job and now can’t really afford the increased rent. Sure might be hard to find somewhere else but in Wellington that is a neverending story even for people with perfect credit, decent jobs and no dog. And will probably get worse if returning citizens come to Wellington for work.
    
    Plenty of stories about those ‘evil’ landlords putting up rent for hovels, terminating tenancies while they still can. Seldom hear about landlords dealing with increasing costs, compliance and risks mostly due to this government’s policies. They are not charities.
    
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    September 15, 2020 1:10pm
  - chukar
    
    Housing values this year have increased 16 % plus.
    Rents 15%.
    Food prices ? %
    
    Inflation less than 2%?
    
    Come on Reserve Bank ,what is the truth ?
    
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    September 15, 2020 2:17pm
    - artemisia
      
      Well I am not exactly the Reserve Bank but it is ECON101. Too big a gap between supply and demand. The RB can fairly readily tweak that but can’t dramatically change it without a lot more than tweaks. The government though ….
      
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      September 15, 2020 3:39pm
Maggie Pie

wtf??
MagicTalk Newsheads @ 11:30am……

“Aucklander’s are outraged they wont be able to compete in Rotorua Marathon”

Well i’m calling….. FAKE NEWS!!
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September 15, 2020 11:42am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXJj317Zu2k

Oprah Burns Out.

Oprah Winfrey is fading into obscurity. Her recommendation of Caste for
Her book club has not been well received. Nor has the ‘1619 Project’. It doesn’t
Have any historians backing it. Then there was her tolerance of Harvey Weinstein.
That hasn’t done her reputation any good either.
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September 15, 2020 11:59am
- Inandout
  
  curry, she made her billions out of ‘whites’, and all those cackling women who used to sit in on her shows.
  
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  September 15, 2020 12:43pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tmm9wGog5g

Chinas New BFF, Iran.

China is working on making Iran a client state with it’s
Usual antics. China will turn it into a surveillience state.
There has been a $400 billion deal. Millions of cameras will
be placed in Iran. They’ll be linked to Chinese based systems.
It’ll also be used as an intelligence resource, and staffed
by Chinese workers. They might be able to neutralize friendly
communications systems. Chinese military, and naval
units can be based in Iran. The Chinese presence could
disrupt the civilizational peace that has broken out recently.
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September 15, 2020 11:59am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Surprise? Iran is Shia and severely hostile to the Sunni Sauds who prop up the US dollar by selling all their oil in that currency.
  
  But wait there’s more…
  Peace in our time?
  
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  September 15, 2020 12:19pm
- Raphael
  
  wasn’t that broadly the plot line for a Tom Clancy novel?
  
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  September 15, 2020 12:26pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘the civilizational peace that has broken out recently.’
  
  Peace is not breaking out.
  
  The region is simply becoming more clearly defined into which armed camp the various protagonists are joining.
  
  As a matter of interest the bahrain royal family are playing very high stakes as they are Sunni (like their overlords the Saudis) but the population of B . is Shia majority . ( The Sauds have already had to intervene there when the natives got restless).
  
  Chances for peace and civilisation very limited I’m afraid. Nothing new .
  
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  September 15, 2020 12:48pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    But surely Jared Kushner’s peace plan will bring lasting amity between all nations in the middle east.
    
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    September 15, 2020 1:08pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Unlike “bomb em” barry.
      
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      September 15, 2020 9:04pm
dave_c_

Ha ! Labour is positioning it’s expansion of ‘lunch in schools’, as part of it’s Education policy.
Bollocks, this is not an investment in education (per se), and could be ‘health policy’, but is nothing more than more handouts (read bribes)
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September 15, 2020 12:08pm
- kowtow
  
  TVNZ describe it as “free” lunches.
  
  As we all know , there’s no such thing.
  
  And as we all know the law of unintended consequences will kick in and in this case simply serve to create even more useless parents who won’t need to learn that the first duty of a parent is to provide for one’s child.
  
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  September 15, 2020 1:11pm
- artemisia
  
  Politicians could use the lunch funds to identify children who regularly arrive at school with no lunch and send a social worker to knock on the door. Who knows, some extra support and parent education might resolve the no-lunch issue. Teach a parent to fish and all that.
  
  The approach might even be called ‘social investment’.
  
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  September 15, 2020 1:27pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Ahhh, the Bill English plan.
    
    That’ll never work as it reduces dependency not increases it.
    
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    September 15, 2020 9:03pm
Maggie Pie

Couldn’t see this guy succumbing to Covid-19 in a hurry either….

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1305583524880080896
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September 15, 2020 12:42pm
gump

I’m waiting for DPF to write a story about the National’s North Shore candidate Jake Bezzant being caught lying on his CV.

The statement from Park Help’s Director of Business Development is brutal:

““I do not wish to get involved in NZ politics or to provide opinions on anyone so at this time I will pass on talking with you. As a journalist you know when to follow your hunches and at this time that is what I would advise you to do.”

Why does National keep selecting such poor quality candidates. Has something gone wrong with their candidate selection process?
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September 15, 2020 1:27pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s a feature, not a bug.
  
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  September 15, 2020 4:06pm
  - Harriet
    
    Fuck me I agree with you Milky!
    
    Just look at what got elected last time — some socialist woman wanting to spend even more money on toddlers — according to her maiden speech!
    
    WFF, baby bonus, childcare rebates……yep ……she’s a fucken commie alright! 😎
    
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    September 15, 2020 5:50pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Would help your argument if you could get the electorate correct.
  
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  September 15, 2020 5:47pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  With the whole COL fit only only for ejection it’s a bit late to complain. Ardern is on her way to the dustbin of history. There has to be a price for twyfordism. Lucky this is not France c. 1780.
  
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  September 15, 2020 6:50pm
- Tall Man
  
  Another lazy bullshit smear
  
  “These claims are between the developer and lender and there is no suggestion they are linked to Bezzant.”
  
  I guess a green MP would never “embelish” a CV.
  
  Mind you, few labour mps have a cv that doesn’t list previous “occupations” as “trougher” … “trougher” … “loser”.
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:59pm
greenfinger

The biggest risk to NZ is not climate change but the pretentious James Shaw and Green Party. Cant wait to see the back of them.
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September 15, 2020 1:51pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Shaw is an absolute donkey. If there’s one person I’d rather see out of Parliament more than anyone else, it’s him, the smug, horrible communist.
  
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  September 15, 2020 4:33pm
greenfinger

No better example of The Bledisloe Cup about-face decision by Ardern. Fearing that she it would tarnish her image and lose support from even the most ardent fans, Arden couldn’t do a 180 quick enough in the last 24 hours. Yer can’t tell me her every decision on Covid-19 in the past 5 months is not political. She has zero credibility!
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September 15, 2020 1:59pm
Brian McDonald

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/news/auckland-s-plan-to-fight-back/ar-BB191Xo4?ocid=msedgdhp

This sounds good but one has to be wary about council involvement because of their propensity to trough at the first opportunity.
Certainly Auckland can do plenty despite not spending millions on plans.
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September 15, 2020 2:00pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Everyone should look at this graph of monthly deaths per million in Sweden since 1851:
https://twitter.com/jhnhellstrom/status/1296707767751839744/photo/1
https://twitter.com/andnil83/status/1296880895522209798/photo/1
The west has severely over-reacted in its response.
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September 15, 2020 2:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I’ll just leave this here. Explains the Labour Party perfectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUCFYSCqHL0
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September 15, 2020 2:12pm
notakiwi

Candidate forum in Botany tonight being live streamed. Interesting considering Labour candidate’s list position — Luxon/Chen are both MPs in waiting.

https://www.facebook.com/events/730240884498671
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September 15, 2020 2:14pm
Nickc2

More Victorian Police (Aust) going about their duties – Yea, Right. These bastards appear to have no shame whatsoever. Will they be prosecuted? Doubt it, they have a very powerful union to protect them. They will no doubt claim the person in this video clip deliberately launched himself onto the bonnet of their police car.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/09/new-video-shows-victoria-police-schutzstaffel-drive-a-car-into-the-man-they-then-stomped-on-the-head.html
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September 15, 2020 2:20pm
I remember when

So they can’t find a way to isolate on site overseas university students worth millions to NZ.
Or, find a way get three rugby teams and staff (say 150 people) to safely isolate while being able to practise when isolated.
If we owe $60/100 million, will they be able to govern the country in a way that enables us to repay the money?
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September 15, 2020 2:24pm
- rockape
  
  I think you mean Billions! Millions of debt is loose change for Labour.
  
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  September 15, 2020 2:32pm
I remember when

Sorry billion!!!
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September 15, 2020 2:39pm
Honorary Kiwi

Victoria Update – Just a reminder

Half way through Lockdown level 3 on the 20th July.
17 deaths in the previous two weeks.
383 Active Cases In Aged Care.
deaths to date 39.

Lockdown Level 4 Implemented with curfew.
84 deaths in the previous two weeks.
1052 Active Cases in Aged Care.
deaths to date 123.

Today three cycles 42 days later.
139 deaths in the previous two weeks.
513 Active Cases in Aged Care.
deaths to date 729.

Percentage of active cases related to ACF 49%.
Percentage of deaths in ACF 79%

Cases peaked on the 29th July whereas total deaths every fortnight from the 2nd August

123
318 Increase 195
590 Increase 297
729 Increase 139

So in the last fortnight the number dying has stopped accelerating thats because active cases in Aged Care have gone

2075 six weeks after lockdown
1008 eight weeks after lockdown
513 ten weeks after lockdown

General New Cases each day on the same intervals but starting a fortnight earlier.

641
253
76

So cases peak, in this case 21 days after Lockdown.
The problem is the cases numbers in the one area which has much more impact on mortality than any other reduces at a much lower rate. When this began Aged Care where 11% of the active total and through out lockdown that percentage has increased and stablised at 50%.

It should also be pointed that part of the reason for the fall in active cases is because of the number of deaths. Based on the stats for aged care today from the Australian Health Authority 1007 have recovered but 574 have died.

So Lockdown in Victoria is made up of two different population groups.

1) The general population who get it where it peaks at 35 days and then falls back rapidly due to Lockdown.

2) The Elderly Residences where it moves remorsely through for months and only finally stops increasing once the population inside the infected Homes are managed away from it or die.

This suggests to me the deal breaker for mortality is protecting and shielding the elderly in very specific ways and Locking Down and Curfewing 6,000,000 people and in this instance increasing the severity of the Lockdown has not halted the rise in the number of deaths nor reduced the number of cases associated with this sector peaking six weeks after LD was introduced.
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September 15, 2020 2:43pm
- Tall Man
  
  But “wear a mask or else” ………
  
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  September 15, 2020 8:38pm
Mike

More good news for Trump. A federal appeals court has upheld a Florida law requiring felons to pay all court fees before being reinstated as voters, despite the state being unable to tell said felons how much they owe or what they have paid.
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September 15, 2020 3:06pm
- Batman
  
  Yes rather insidiously the court is using the “jelly beans in a jar” method to deny voting rights, which was a common tactic used to deny giving Black people their right to register to vote in the 50s and 60s. But that does match perfectly with the current tactics of the GOP and the Trump Admin, who remember those times as the good old days.
  
  How are you meant to pay your fines and costs when they won’t tell how much it is, and the numbers available don’t add up? Hint: you’re not.
  
  Amusingly I heard about another state which criminalised toll payments in a similar way, that madness was eventually repealed when state employees and officials were getting arrested on the side of the road for a single unpaid toll!
  
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  September 15, 2020 4:26pm
Critical Thinker

Report: State Memos Confirm Obama-Biden Admin Knew Burisma Was Corrupt While Hunter Biden Served on Board

The Obama administration allowed then-Vice President Joe Biden’s son Hunter to continue working at Ukrainian gas firm Burisma, even after U.S. officials established “strong” evidence suggesting that the company had engaged in corrupt activities in 2014.

At the time of Hunter’s hiring by Burisma, then-VP Joe Biden was in charge of U.S. policy towards Ukraine, prompting allegations of corruption.

Sens. Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley are reportedly getting ready to wrap up their investigations into Hunter’s lucrative dealings with Burisma.

Joe Biden boasted about threatening to withhold $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees to Ukraine as VP in 2016 if Ukraine did not fire its top prosecutor, who wanted to investigate the owner of Burisma for corruption.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/14/report-state-memos-confirm-obama-biden-admin-knew-burisma-was-corrupt-while-hunter-served-on-board/

Quid pro quo corruption is an impeachable offence.
https://youtu.be/K7WD5Co65BU?t=1
Justice is coming.
Enjoy the show ??
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September 15, 2020 3:47pm
- Batman
  
  Still plugging those QAnon code words huh CT? Slick… Hardly noticeable at all!
  
  Also amusing that you’ve fully swallowed the Russian disinformation being fed from the Kremlin to Ron Johnson via a middle man.
  
  Please try to keep up, here’s a guide:
  
  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/rudy-s-helpers-guide-controversial-figures-assisting-giuliani-ukraine-n1105116
  
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  September 15, 2020 3:57pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And it really matters while cindy screws New Zealand into the ground because ………..
    
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    September 15, 2020 8:37pm
- virtualmark
  
  Sigh. Johnson is peddling documents and recordings that have been faked by the Russian spy agencies and passed via Andrii Derkach to Rudi Giuliani and then to Senator Johnson.
  
  Derkach is an FSB agent. Last week he was sanctioned by the US Treasury for being a foreign agent and his US assets were seized. His father was the head of the KGB in the Ukraine.
  
  Giuliani is neck deep in Russian electoral interference, which isn’t wholly surprising given his long-standing links to Russian organised crime (you should read “Red Mafiya”).
  
  Johnson was one of the “Red Square Republicans” GOP Senators who chose to spend July 4 in 2018 in Moscow, with a strange set of meetings in Russia.
  
  He. Is. A. Russian. Stooge. Which is strange for an American Senator right? But why is it that the GOP’s foreign entanglements are so often with Russia? I mean it’s not as if the GOP Senators are pushing France or Denmarks agendas, only Russia’s.
  
  The answer is probably in the Smartech hacking. Russians are clever. Hack both political parties. Use the least useful stuff (Democrat) for embarrassment. Use the juicy stuff (GOP) for blackmail.
  
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  September 15, 2020 4:15pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Here you go, a list of Rudy’s little helpers in the Ukraine … https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/rudy-s-helpers-guide-controversial-figures-assisting-giuliani-ukraine-n1105116
    
    Lots of pro-Russian Yanukovych leftovers with Russian intelligence connections.
    
    It’s the 2016 Russian electoral interference network back at it again. But this time everyone knows it’s coming and it’s part-theatre part-yawn.
    
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    September 15, 2020 5:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Protect our trees – oh wait a moment – we planted sweet fuck all, right Shane and Jaspinda?
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10224193454364560&set=gm.1030896624010914
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September 15, 2020 4:35pm
Maggie Pie

Standing there preparing dinner and that bun man Ryan Bridge was on in the background.
Some woman just phoned up almost in tears, and told him….” since ditching Facebook she’s never been happier!”
Personally, I’m on Insta, Twitter, AND Facebook. Not only do i get hundreds of ‘likes’ every day, but I’ve made thousands of new friends as well.
God some people are losers!

Just saying.
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September 15, 2020 4:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Never heard of her
  
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  September 15, 2020 4:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Can’t see any of you KB movers and shakers have made the Chinese “Intelligence” list.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122773268/new-zealand-politicians-diplomats-judges-and-fraudsters-found-on-massive-chinese-intelligence-database
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September 15, 2020 5:02pm
- [email protected]
  
  Thank goodness. I don’t need anymore scam emails.
  
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  September 15, 2020 5:47pm
Harriet

Rule No 1

“Don’t ever set the faux capacitor to 2020.” – Michael J Fox.
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September 15, 2020 5:09pm
Jimmy White

All the Woke advertisers are adding Maori subtitles to their adverts for Maori week.
The Presenters are starting everything with a long diatribe of maori before they switch to english NZ.
As only 6% of watches understand maori you would think that the TV companies would be equally Woke and put English subtitles to their Maori rantings
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September 15, 2020 5:55pm
Littletramp

One possibility that no one in the USA seems to consider.
What if they manage to stuff the ballot boxes sufficiently to get Biden elected, but Republicans hold the Senate and regain Congress and a Supreme Court advantage.
That would mean an entertaining 4 years!
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September 15, 2020 6:33pm
mikenmildagain

Another Trump campaign own goal:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/trump-ad-asks-people-to-support-the-troops-but-it-uses-a-picture-of-russian-jets-414883
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September 15, 2020 6:54pm
MCos

Everyone knows bad teeth are mainly caused by bad diet such as excessively sugary drinks. Instead of tackling the sugar problem the Nats are going to give the kids a toothbrush.
If they really wanted to make a difference they give away bottles of water and tax sugar to pay for it.
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