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Sigmund Freud

GO JUDITH!

GO TRUMP!!!
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October 2, 2020 8:01am
Pete George

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Former Act Party Grant McLachlan has detailed a web of connections between the ACT Party, the Taxpayers Union, the National Party and a number of political activist groups over the years.

Astroturfs: Act Three of ‘Dirty Politics’

The history of astroturfs in New Zealand is closely associated to the history of the Act Party.

Why we should have zero tolerance for Act

Sex, drugs, fraud and bullying. What the Act Party doesn’t want you to know this election.

Many of the connections are well known, but when put together it is significant in the context of current party support.

Act and National look too far away from getting into power this year, but will have longer term plans.
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October 2, 2020 8:01am
- PhilBest
  
  Yawn. Everything is all right when the Left does it.
  
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  October 2, 2020 8:04am
- tf78
  
  Pete – seriously, is that the best you’ve got.
  
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  October 2, 2020 8:10am
  - Bell-47
    
    Yes it is..
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:19am
- pdm
  
  Party vote ACT!!!!
  
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  October 2, 2020 8:12am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I heard this morning on news that Chinese community are increasing Act party vote (over Nat though so no total gain). Bc of economic policy.
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:40am
  - freethinker
    
    PDM – absolutely and we may get a competent Deputy PM.
    
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    October 2, 2020 11:53am
    - igm
      
      Anything would be better than current apology.
      
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      October 2, 2020 1:31pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Oh gosh! Shock horror! Desperate and dateless NZ First attempts hit job on Act.
  
  Reveals that David Seymour is actually a decent chap!
  
  Apparently Don Brash and John Banks were a bit conservative.
  
  I’m appalled! Won’t someone do something!!!!!!
  
  Bwuhahahahaaha!
  
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  October 2, 2020 8:15am
- Gravelroad
  
  “Dirty politics”?
  Looks as though you might be a bit of an expert yourself?
  Why should I, as a centre right voter, care about this smear attempt?
  Labour Party people don’t seem to have been too bothered about the questionable practices alleged to have gone on in their ranks over the past three years.
  If you genuinely don’t think ACT/National have a show of winning this election, what’s your point here?
  
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  October 2, 2020 8:15am
  - Pete George
    
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    Transparency. We all should know what people and agendas are behind political parties and activist groups.
    
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    October 2, 2020 8:18am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      So which brown envelope does Brian pay you with then Pete?
      
      In the interests of transparency, of course!
      
      Why don’t you go and clutch your knickers in outrage somewhere else. You are making a fool of yourself.
      
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      October 2, 2020 8:22am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Chip on shoulder perhaps?
      
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      October 2, 2020 8:22am
      - Akitio
        
        Chippie’s cheeks on both shoulders!
        
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        October 2, 2020 9:01am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Will look forward to your next bulletin featuring the people, agendas and activist groups behind the Labour Party and Greens then.
      Cheers.
      
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      October 2, 2020 8:29am
    - tf78
      
      Pete, I’ve noticed the most “transparent” government ever has turned out to be rather less than.
      
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      October 2, 2020 8:31am
    - kowtow
      
      Quite right .
      
      The PGF had to be one of the biggest political “sweeteners” in NZ electoral history .
      
      If you want Dirty Politics , look no further .
      
      Oh and how “transparent” was that deal ?
      
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      October 2, 2020 8:31am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Time to change the law
        ALL coalition agreements to be made public
        in full and unaltered.
        
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        October 2, 2020 9:00am
      - Bell-47
        
        About as transparent as the “coalition deal” I would imagine..
        
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        October 2, 2020 9:27am
    - Lance
      
      Bloody hell, Pete is having a melt down.
      Who pissed in your cornflakes?
      And why aren’t you demanding transparency from the lefties?
      
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      October 2, 2020 9:05am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    By publishing this raw dry hit job on Act, and by default, on National, isn’t Pete George himself indulging in Dirty Politics?
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:33am
    - igm
      
      He is dirty politics!
      
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      October 2, 2020 3:20pm
- Mike
  
  It’s not exactly news that the Taxpayers’ ‘Union’ is a National/ACT astroturf operation That was clear from the outset.
  
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  October 2, 2020 8:21am
  - Bell-47
    
    Worst kept secret ever!
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:27am
  - Inandout
    
    Mike, whoever believed The Standard was a Labour offshoot?
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:36am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Of course the Unions are not an off shoot of Labour.
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:24am
    - Ehlana
      
      Isn’t it the other way round? According to the Labour Party’s own website “Many of the Trades Councils, … sponsored the first NZ Labour Party in 1910”. https://www.labour.org.nz/history
      
      That someone could belong to the National or Act Party and also the TaxPayers’ Union seems no more surprising than belonging to Unite and Labour. Or for that matter, being a Friend of the Zoo and an RSPCA sponsor.
      
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      October 2, 2020 11:11am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Astroturfing. The environment centre given significant funding by our local Council , pumps out loads of communication and uses the same green heart logo as the green party, the same split green colours, the same font and the same tag lines. “Love your ….environment” etc.
    
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    October 2, 2020 2:02pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Sounds like someone is concerned about Act getting so popular and want to put a stop to it.
  
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  October 2, 2020 8:41am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    But
    That’s my ideal parliament
    National govt. with an Act opposition.
    2 parties that actually
    1. Know what they are doing
    2. Have well fleshed out policies that work
    3. A work ethic that will produce results
    4. Will not oppose for the sake of it.
    5. Will not use the speaker to protect ministers from mistakes
    6. will not circumvent due process, by going past heads of depts
    7. will not have secret agendas re roading in wellington.
    8. No assault, sexual or otherwise of staff
    9. Will not abdicate decision making to 120 working groups or singular focused health “experts”.
    any more you can remember?
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:09am
- rockape
  
  I have seen links to Labour from the unions, universities and also seen links to overseas slave labour in relation to campaigning. How awfull!
  
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  October 2, 2020 8:54am
- Chris R
  
  What garbage! At least you can point to links at a time when our pretend PM is the “missing link” between filth and Marxism.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:05am
- Simon
  
  Good stuff PG useful link.
  
  ACT are for assisted killing, third trimester abortions and peddling mental illness that is dope.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:31am
- WaveyDavey
  
  “Sex, drugs, fraud and bullying…”
  
  Why, it’s the Labour party
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:48am
  - IC5000
    
    It appears not this time.
    I don’t follow ACT but these allegations of sexual harassment are disturbing. There seem to be some substance to these claims. So apart from deflections of ‘the Labour Party does it’ has ACT cleaned up its act?
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:58am
- igm
  
  A disgusting piece without substance . . . anyone who reads Hager’s view of anything lacks common sense, and to repeat this shit shows a serious flaw in common decency.
  
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  October 2, 2020 12:59pm
  - IC5000
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/416075/young-act-to-investigate-sexual-harassment-of-vice-president
    
    Looks like there needs to be a full investigation with protocols and mechanisms put into place to prevent further sexual harassment. This kind of thing can scar females for the rest of their lives.
    
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    October 2, 2020 4:25pm
Mike

Happy International Day of Non-Violence!
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October 2, 2020 8:02am
- TWEEDSE
  
  That would be thanks to Trump, the least war mongering president for some time.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:14am
  - Mike
    
    Do you mean the guy who said he would be ‘the most militaristic president ever’?
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:37am
    - rangitoto
      
      Si vis pacem, para bellum.
      
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      October 2, 2020 10:05am
  - Batman
    
    Tweed, put your boner away mate, it’s making things weird for other people trying to enjoy the international day of non-violence.
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:35am
- lifesgood
  
  Changed your name again, have you? Boring.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:49am
- Jimmy White
  
  Say that to Antifaschistische Aktion
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:27am
gorse

Lots of anti National pieces in Stuff this morning. They must be worried.
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October 2, 2020 8:02am
- RW Capitalist
  
  and yet…the last story on “The Standard”
  6:59pm 30/9/2020
  They have been VERY quiet…how unusual.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:13am
  - Bell-47
    
    Would have to was my eyes out with bleach if I read anything from that lot of window lickers..
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:29am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPCIsIJ7nhY
      Maybe they too, believe windex cures everything.
      
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      October 2, 2020 9:47am
- Simon
  
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  ‘Lots of anti National pieces in Stuff this morning”
  
  Yep its just pandering to their readers.
  
  The really funny thing is National want to be loved by the left wing Stuffed activists who hate their guts.
  
  National still dont have a clue.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:34am
- igm
  
  There will be a worried “Stuff” hierarchy today, one of their largest advertisers is possibly pulling major contract.
  
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  October 2, 2020 1:02pm
PhilBest

When are “good men” going to wake up to the evil that is the Covid-19 alarmist machine?

Here is the actual science. We seem to have heard this before, haven’t we. “The science”, yadda, yadda, yadda. Just as always; alarmist science is never actually science.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/09/28/herd-immunity-without-antibodies/

There was some excuse for exercising “the precautionary principle” months ago. But by the third week of March it was known that Covid-19 was asymptomatic or mild in 90% of infected people and that alone should have made honest, wise politicians back off the tyranny and the economic WMD stuff.

But going by what we know NOW, in October??? If you don’t get it that the alarmist machine is not merely corrupt or incompetent, but evil and based on deliberate lies, just as bad as any totalitarian system, YOU are part of the problem.
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October 2, 2020 8:02am
- PhilBest
  
  It is entirely typical of the way totalitarian systems work, that people who are well-informed and pointing out the facts, are accused of “spreading disinformation” and suppressed, even by “legal” action by the forces of the State.
  
  I would seriously consider voting for Billy TK this time regardless of some of his ideas being too far out, simply because, like with many Americans who voted for Trump, the status quo so badly needs a disruption that the long-established so-called “centre right” parties are not providing. I certainly want to be at public rallies waving a placard that states the truth about something the government’s “experts” are LYING to us about.
  
  ACT is the best of the long standing ones but even they are far too much leaving the hard foot work of fighting for freedom of speech, and against official lies and the tyranny based on them, to people like the New Conservatives, the Tamakis, and Billy TK’s mob.
  
  I would just say that it is at least a small relief to me that we don’t have a government and Police force doubling down on the totalitarianism like that rotter Andrews and his thugs in Victoria. Yes, even here things could have been worse, so far. I do wonder if MMP helps keep politicians slightly more honest, because the people who take the trouble to get informed and active are at least likely to win a few seats one day.
  
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  October 2, 2020 8:03am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    You’re nonsense is not worth replying to. JC has said Advance NZ can take a hike.
    
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    October 2, 2020 8:51am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      and yet…you did.
      
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      October 2, 2020 9:14am
  - EuropeanCanon
    
    Never thought I would says this but I am with you brother. The Covid hoax needs to be stopped. This country is a police state now and its going to get a lot worse unless we the people put a stop to it.
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:39am
    - MCos
      
      Yeah, sure.
      NZ’s a police state.
      
      Just yesterday I saw a cop talking to the other people in the local bakery.
      What was that all about?
      
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      October 2, 2020 11:10am
      - theoldbloke
        
        And your point is what?
        The posit is that NZ is a police STATE. Not that individual cops are some sort of thugs?
        
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        October 2, 2020 12:35pm
      - IC5000
        
        Probably warning them about the dangers of internal pie temperatures.
        
        Next thing you know it’s off to the gulags.
        
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        October 2, 2020 1:28pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Always blow on the pie… Safer communities together.
        
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        October 2, 2020 2:03pm
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Amazing how masks stop COVID viruses – while not stopping flu viruses. Those viruses are so clever. Also amazing is how government actions have no basis in reality.
    
    Take the UK for example:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjQU3IiU0AAxy27?format=png
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjRU_GiWoAEL8X-?format=jpg
    
    And Sweden:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjCn-GCVgAA3pNP?format=jpg
    
    We now know that there’s absolutely NO legitimate excuse to keep this outright farcical Scamdemic hysteria going. We need to demand our hard fought for freedoms back ?
    
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    October 2, 2020 3:06pm
- Simon
  
  Where NZ is at is that Clown Show & Clown Show lite will not admit to making a horrible mistake over the Wuhan flu.
  
  The pantomime will continue.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:36am
TWEEDSE

What happened to Auckland being stuck at level 2? It seems be all we are allowed to have.

Except I wager it will be level 1 just before the election. St Cindy of the pestilence will do the Eva Peron balcony scene and the voters will flock to her.

I’m picking 7 days prior to drop to level one. Any other guesses?
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October 2, 2020 8:12am
- JackRabbit
  
  So within a few days of the “breaking news” from the Pike River mine then.
  
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  October 2, 2020 8:54am
  - lifesgood
    
    Everybody is fed up to the back teeth with Pike River. If the grasping relatives had just accepted that their loved ones had died, taken the very generous hand outs and gone away to grieve most people would sympathise with them. As it is they are just leeches and have lost any public sympathy.
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:52am
    - Jimmy White
      
      They have taken the ‘very generous hand outs’ and after taking a page from the Maori handbook, once the hand has come out of the back pocket its held out again,
      
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      October 2, 2020 10:32am
    - JackRabbit
      
      The bulk of the relatives have accepted their loved ones are dead, and tried to move on. It is only a few, whipped up into a frenzy by Little & Co for political gain, that the issue is still alive.
      
      Some families of the many deceased, have said they tried to put it behind them and get closure but they open the paper or go online and there is Pike River again in the media. It is a living hell for many of them.
      
      Labour, grave robbers since 2010.
      
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      October 2, 2020 10:56am
      - IC5000
        
        Yeah, sounds good to wipe your hands of the dead caused by lowering regulations and enforcement of safety standards. As long as this happens to some other c**t I’m ok. And don’t forget about my rights to do whatever I want.
        
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        October 2, 2020 1:34pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        @IC5000: following the Pike River accident the Government set up a Royal Commission which carried out an extensive and expensive inquiry, resulting in a lengthy and detailed report with a long list of recommendations for reform to health and safety regulation. This in turn resulted in a thoroughgoing and comprehensive revision of the health and safety regime. What more did you actually want?
        
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        October 2, 2020 3:39pm
- sooty
  
  Along with the dead cat bounce of announcing the travel bubble with aussie!
  
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  October 2, 2020 8:59am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Seems that Scott Morrison has stolen the march that Jacinda tried to steal from him.
    Isn’t politics wonderful.
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:16am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Yeah, the spin on that was a wonder to behold
      
      ScoMo announces, JA says “ah well you see, they don’t want us”
      
      Can’t have anyone stealing thunder from St Jacinda of all Our Hearts now can we?
      
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      October 2, 2020 9:51am
- Inandout
  
  Tweed, On Monday Cindy will reveal all.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:39am
  - JackRabbit
    
    If she did actually “reveal all”, she’d have no show of winning the election.
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:10am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    A strip show……OH goody.
    Because you can’t possibly be talking about policy.
    
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    October 2, 2020 11:23am
- EuropeanCanon
  
  You are probably right. The whole country will be under lockdown for Christmas though. You can bet money on it. Or I would bet money on it but its all going on prepping now. America slides into civil war and the chinese will be here within the month.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:49am
  - Jimmy White
    
    I hope so! Ive been waiting two months now for my purchases from China
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:33am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Bro – Sheeple of Auckland like to be stuck in L2 and business trusts Labour gummit over National. So let them go broke. I don’t care a damn. Business people know they can extract as much money as they can from a dumb Finance minister.
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:39am
Yvette

Ardern’s position on cannabis.
Too many people still blindly follow or believe in Ardern.
In the Labour Promise Tracker (based on data compiled by Davis Farrar) several examples record Ardern’s utter inability to deliver – 548 houses built so far of 100,000 homes in 10 years, to child poverty, where kids in material hardship increased from 12.7% in 2017 to 13.4% in 2019 – but political polls still show unbelievable enthusiasm for her leadership.
Indeed, her supporters and followers seem to not be rational, sane people.

Considering too, for example, Ardern’s moral and financial position in continuing to support the Taranaki Greenschool grant, I certainly don’t want her opinion on cannabis to be a factor in people’s voting – whether for, or against – since she herself in some matters seems to not be a rational, sane person.
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October 2, 2020 8:21am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Jacinda is voting Yes to cannabis. That is the Labour party policy. So is Grant Robertson and Andrew Little and the rest of Labour. I really don’t understand why she’s making such a big deal of it.
  
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  October 2, 2020 8:54am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    To back up the little jibe she had at Judith
    that went something like
    At least we don’t instruct our MP’s in what to vote.
    When it appears, that is exactly what they do and would be consistent behaviour with every other Labour govt. going back several decades.
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:20am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      The End of Life Choices Act was a David Seymour private members bill. The reason for that is because Andrew Little (and therefore Labour) forced Iain Lees-Galloway to remove his private members bill from the ballot.
      
      So yeah, Jacinda is definitely caught in a lie there.
      
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      October 2, 2020 9:51am
      - Jimmy White
        
        “A lie told enough is the Truth”
        Vladimir Lenin
        
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        October 2, 2020 10:36am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Jimmy White
        Her mentor
        but justifying that is also a quote from Goebbels
        “It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.”
        ― Joseph Goebbels
        or and more descriptive of this govt.
        “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
        
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        October 2, 2020 11:29am
- KevO'Brien
  
  rational, sane person?
  Does that apply to any communist? They are bullies firstly. The leader/activists are power driven with “ideology” as their guide, like horses with blinkers.
  
  Being “nice” is not sufficient as a base of political action–nothing can happen as promised. Is a computer program which has to execute an outcome nice internally? The coding may be pretty, but its job is to pickup an instruction run that, get the next and repeat until done. This is a govt of “nops”– (no operations), instructions which fill in and do nothing. Sometimes a wait is important but year after year?
  ☑️☑️Ready , focused & functioning☑️☑️
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Great explanation
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:33am
- JackRabbit
  
  …548 houses built so far of 100,000… So 0.5%, which is far less then the rate of increase of demand.
  
  …seems to not be a rational, sane person…
  
  By her own admission, her own father called her a tree hugging lefty. Nothing rational about being a tree hugging lefty.
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:14am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Trouble is the tree tends to out think you
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh c’mon..
    Give the woman a break.
    
    Her Father was the local cop; she was being raised as a Mormon.
    
    Wouldn’t you have wanted to push-back a little against that background as soon as you could?
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:39am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Yes. And then most people grow up and realise that communism is a dangerous and brutal system no sane person would want.
      
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      October 2, 2020 10:59am
    - JackRabbit
      
      I am not a Mormon, nor would I ever want to be. They are not perfect.
      
      However, had Cindy become a Mormon, she would at least be accountable to something greater than herself, even if it is a set of commandments, which are fundamentally good.
      
      As she is, she is not accountable to anyone. Not even herself. Being a Mormon might be a backward step for some, but a step forward for others.
      
      The Devil wears Prada.
      
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      October 2, 2020 11:07am
    - Jimmy White
      
      Right on Maggy, lets not pick on a dope smoking single mother like that.
      
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- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  But her popularity is due to 15% of the National supporting sheeple gone over to the other side. These clowns are the ones who believe Cindy saved their precious lives.
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:41am
Justitia

Whatever happened to the liberal vision in which citizenship transcended religious and ethnic boundaries and people were free to mix with and influence each other in a “great big meting pot”:https://youtu.be/zAWn4FO1MOw. This is in fact the way in which human societies had developed over the centuries with the transmission of new ideas and new languages among peoples by cultural osmosis or migration. It’s the engine of human progress.

Now however thanks to the success of the Marxist long march through the institutions and its promotion of the world-view that casts ethnic or cultural groups as eithers “victims” or “oppressors” we have become a society in which groups are increasingly walled off from one another. The sharing and adoption of ideas and practices has become the thought-crime of “cultural appropriation”. Each group establishes its own society with its own schools, customs, associations and laws. This is the Left’s nirvana of “multiculturalism”. It is deeply racist and backward looking.

In this election Judith Collins enjoys and should make more of the enormous advantage of exemplifying through her own family the “melting pot” approach which is the truly “progressive” way for New Zealand to develop if it is to be a successful society. Ardern, with her bizarre desire at every opportunity to dress up in hijab (an expression of the oppression of women and intolerance) is the very opposite and indeed a caricature of backwardness.
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October 2, 2020 8:21am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ardern is also offending the whole Christian community in NZ and their God. NZ is NOT Islamic.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:26am
  - Flossie
    
    Not yet anyway.
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:00am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    According to Cindy he is.
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:41am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      She will eventually discover the Truth.
      
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      October 2, 2020 12:54pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Justicia, identity politics are the most retrogressive step I’ve ever seen. It’s deeply depressing.
  
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  October 2, 2020 11:01am
Unity

I’m fuming and utterly disgusted with our Media today. Judith came to Nelson on Monday and our next paper was on the Wednesday. Nothing on the front page but Judith was on page 3.

Jacinda came to Nelson yesterday. She not only has half the front page but also more on Page 3!!.

If that’s not blatant political bias I don’t know what is. I feel like cancelling my paper but I like to know what’s happening locally – I know I could go on-line but prefer paper. Also I especially like the puzzles page!!?? Keeps the brain nourished.
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October 2, 2020 8:28am
- Prince
  
  If you want to know what’s happening locally I wouldn’t rely on the ‘newspaper’.
  There are lots of Sudoku, crosswords etc on-line for free.
  Save yourself a few $’s, and a few braincells for that matter.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:11am
- G152
  
  Welcome to the world of fake news…
  And a media circus that should be shut down and its biased commentators put out to pasture
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:32am
- Inandout
  
  Unity, don’t indulge Stuff by reading their printouts. The huge piles of unsold papers in the supermarkets tell a story.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:52am
- Jimmy White
  
  If you want puzzle pages switch to Hansard.
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:39am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  I hope the Sheeple of Nelson are not going to topple Nick Smith??
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:42am
  - Unity
    
    Just to add to my earlier furious complaint I should mention that the headline for Jacinda on the front page is ‘We can win Nelson – Ardern’ and then it goes on to push Rachel Boyack as being more or less a certainty for taking seat off Nick Smith. Surely that is campaigning for Boyack. I will seriously look at the good advice received following my earlier comment. Let’s hope Nick wins the seat. He is a very good constituency MP and has done a huge amount for Nelson.
    
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    October 2, 2020 11:14am
  - stigie
    
    Sad to say but i think it will turn red, even after all the good work Nick Smith has put into the region and put his balls on the line for his constituents !~
    
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    October 2, 2020 11:46am
Yvette

Peters says Labour will do a deal over Ihumātao if elected – and that deal would cause a “domino effect”.
“If you don’t want a new wave of claims on previously settled Treaty [of Waitangi] claims, it’s in your hands… If the Crown weakens its resolve after the election you just watch the flood of action on previously settled Treaty claims. [1]

Concerning Ihumatao, the local iwi Te Kawerau ā Maki in Treaty Settlement received $6.8 million and 86% of Riverhead Forest Crown Forest Licence Land valued $6.5 million and on transfer subject to the current forest licence.

Considering the presently disputed Ihumātoa land was sold to Fletchers for $19 million and is now rated to be worth around $40 million, has the Peters/Labour Government handling of the controversy and Auckland re-zoning of Ihumātao not already unbalanced the Treaty settlement with the local iwi Te Kawerau ā Maki?

[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/426907/winston-peters-says-nz-first-staved-off-any-action-on-ihumatao-before-election
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October 2, 2020 8:28am
- Inandout
  
  Yvette, I have witnessed the left in the US eating the very Mayors that have supported them and mark my words; if Jacinda is re-elected even Sandringham won’t be safe. Once the gate is opened there is no way the Maori demands will cease.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:57am
emmess

How many cities have the Proud Boys burnt down?
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October 2, 2020 8:29am
- yossarian
  
  Media interpretation:
  
  Antifa – Protestors whom are “only fighting for social justice” (by destroying towns, businesses and lives) = Good
  
  Proud Boys – step in (to protect towns, businesses and lives) because local authorities won’t – Bad
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:26am
iMP

Let’s light some petrol. SOME THOUGHTS as if I was the Spinoff’s dailyBulletin.

1. ACT is basically hoovering up NZF votes. With nowhere to go, NZF casual backers have gone Seymour. It’s Dunne “worm” round #2. Watch the unknown ACT mps. Will they be up to it?

2. A 4-year term is not good: 4 years is a long time for a bad govt., and good a govt can get 6. It diminishes democratic accountability; and small parties will be shut out of political debate/campaigning. It’s hard enough over 3 years. 4 years or 8 is a long wilderness. Longer than most parli. careers.

3. Leaders Debate #2 (NZ) exposed the lack of depth in Jacinda Ardern away fro cloistered management, selfies, celebrity adulation and her personality cult sycophancy.

4. JUDITH! Get talking to the Greens and throw them a single policy bone and a seat in cabinet, now before the election, in exchange for Supply & Conf.

5. “AOTEAROA” [A-o-tee-a-rower? or A-o-tay-a-ruha] is unpronouceable to most if not all the world; will make NZ an even less relevant banana island somewhere (“Scandinavia?…oh, Polynesia, what, near Nauru?”); and is an iwi derivative I think from the Waikato. There was never a “nation” of Aotearoa, Maori were always regional, tribal, never united, and this is like calling Canterbury “Auckland” but in TeReo.

6. It’s “Pacific” not Pasifika which has been made redundant (now racist) as it excludes Hawaii and west Polynesia. See the Tapasā curriculum.

7. Why did the Maori party abscond at the last minute from the second tier parties debate (9.30am Sat morn)?

Enjoy.
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October 2, 2020 8:31am
- Lance
  
  There is no way in Gods green earth the Greens will agree to co-operate with National no matter how sensible the outcome.
  Evidenced by them throwing the Kermadec fishing sanctuary under the bus because National proposed it.
  The environment is a distant second to their far left politics.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:12am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    True. And the way for National to expose that is to offer some solidly, irreproachably environmental policies and challenge the Greens to explain why they won’t support them.
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:39am
- hookerphil
  
  Please do not ever call Canterbury Auckland.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:19am
- herb1
  
  4 years is a good idea.
  With our 3 year term we are likely to get 6 years of Ardern and her economic sabotage.
  By 4 years Im sure the damage she has inflicted would be blatantly obvious to even the most phsychophantic left supporters, saving us 2 years and untold tens of billions
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Another view:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300121309/election-2020-fouryear-political-terms-are-a-terrible-idea
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:49am
- Chris R
  
  IMP: I think you’ll find that ACT isn’t “hoovering-up” NZ First’s constituency. ACT is a party largely for, and dominated by, younger voters who haven’t been seduced by the Marxist nonsense shoved down their throats by members of the filthy Teachers’ Unions. NZ First’s constituency is essentially a gaggle of whining old pensioners (I am old enough to qualify!) who hunger after other peoples money and are returning to Jacinda’s circus. ACT is a party of thinkers, of enterprise and pride. Jacinda leads those dumbed by envy.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:58am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  The stinking unwashed hippies who smoke dope and vote Green will never agree to be in gummit with National. So forget it.
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:44am
- Isobar
  
  ACT is also hoovering up National supporters disillusioned with the party. The same thing happened in 2002 when ACT got just over 7% and English got 20.93%
  
  The trick for ACT is post election, when National actually get themselves together is to see if they can maintain their momentum.
  
  In 2005, Nats came back strong on 39.10%, ACT dropped to 1.5%.
  
  ACT have a real opportunity here to actually become the majority right party, but the question is will they take it, or will they forever live behind Nationals shadow.
  
  Having no NZF does make things interesting, but I think NZF votes either go to Labour or Nats, some will also go to ACT, but for many NZF supporters ACT’s proposed cuts to public service, increases in super age etc will not be vote winners for NZF’s aging demographic.
  
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  October 2, 2020 11:18am
  - Flossie
    
    The popular opinion is that NZ First voters are very aged and doddery so why would they care about increases in super age? They’ve already got theirs.
    
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    October 2, 2020 11:55am
I remember when

So nobody knows where some parties funds are being channeled through.
Is that a bit like if you’re a Union member, your fees support the Labour party whether you like it or not?
A bit like Gloriavale!
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October 2, 2020 8:33am
Grant

“Transparency. We all should know what people and agendas are behind political parties and activist groups.”
Do you mean transparency as espoused by the most open and transparent government ever Pete? Or is that a more aspirational version that normal people don’t know about?
Also, haven’t noticed you campaigning hard to have access to the coalition agreement by which we’re all currently governed. There’s bound to be a few agendas in that wee tome that everyone should be concerned about. Then again I dont visit your site often, so maybe you are. Perhaps you could update us on progress?
But now you’re concerned to find that right of centre groups talk to each other?
Really?
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October 2, 2020 8:33am
Ruahine

The only dirty politics I see in NZ right now is that two political parties, the Labour Party and NZ First are being investigated and even charges laid in one instance by the Senior Fraud Office.
You can not get much dirtier than that I suggest.
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October 2, 2020 8:34am
- Ruahine
  
  Er!! Serious Fraud Office.
  
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  October 2, 2020 8:45am
  - alloytoo
    
    Serious…..or Senior Moment.
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:24am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    Hahaha. I think you right first time, especially in regards to NZ1st, Ruahine.
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:42am
- MCos
  
  Charges laid regarding NZF & National Party finances.
  
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  October 2, 2020 11:16am
chukar

PG
Sroubec et al ?
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October 2, 2020 8:35am
Maggie Pie

WOW! Close friend of my partner doxed by Newsrooms Tim Murphy on Twitter….. 🙁

https://twitter.com/tmurphyNZ/status/1311492480999714816
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October 2, 2020 8:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gee Maggie Pie… did you scroll further down and discover that clip of Jason Walls accusing Judith of wearing red?
  
  https://twitter.com/Jasonwalls92/status/1311511139356872704
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:02am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    God he’s sooo silly….we all knew it was blue!
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:07am
- Isobar
  
  I dont see any identifiable material there. Not really doxxing is it?
  
  It does make you wonder what they are trying to achieve with the letter, its hardly going to change anything.
  
  I always say, if you dont like it, dont read it. Simple. And you’ll probably do your mental health a favour too.
  
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  October 2, 2020 11:23am
Natfan08

I was thinking about Judith Collins strategic decisions in the debate the other night, and I observed the following:

1. Judith chose to wear red – I wonder if that was on purpose to make a pitch to centrist/swinging labour voters.

2. She said she would stop large companies from taking advantage of the wage subsidy whereas Cindy want it to be “moral” decision – once again I think this was a pitch to centrist/swinging labour voters

3. Throughout the debate she kept bringing up she was Christian – I think that was a pitch the Pacific Chrisitan community vote.

3. She said she would role back the gun resgister – this I think was an attempt get some votes back from ACT.

Do you agree? I wonder what the next poll will say…
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October 2, 2020 8:42am
- Lance
  
  Politicians acting politically, my goodness, what a surprise.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Judith chose to wear red
  
  See the clip I posted to Maggie Pie.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:16am
  - lifesgood
    
    Jason will be terrified of tackling Judith again. She sure put the little twerp in his place.
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:58am
    - Sacha
      
      “Jason will be terrified of tackling Judith again. She sure put the little twerp in his place.”
      
      In the nicest way possible though –
      
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      October 2, 2020 11:24am
      - lifesgood
        
        True that.
        
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        October 2, 2020 11:55am
- Deagle
  
  National gains very little by taking votes from ACT, given that they will always be a coalition anyway.
  If Collins wants to be PM she needs to steal votes from Ardern. To do that she has to appear reasonable to the people who tuned in to see Ardern.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:18am
- rockape
  
  There is no gun register!
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:44am
- JackRabbit
  
  There is nothing new about Judith’s stance on guns.
  
  Whats the point of a gun register if that section of society most likely to go around shooting people, won’t declare the guns they own, including illegal guns?
  
  The typical people involved in gang/drive by shootings are not a couple of old war veterans have a turf war over who has the shiniest zimmer frame!
  
  Nationals stance on gun ownership was to take guns off gangs, and was in the process of this prior to 2017.
  
  Her renewed stance here: (2019)
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/386199/national-s-judith-collins-wants-tougher-action-on-gangs-with-guns
  
  After the mosque shooting, gangs were open about the fact that they would not be handing back illegal guns.
  
  Labour have openly stated that they do not support taking guns off the gangs, which by association includes illegal guns.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2007/S00022/minister-wont-take-guns-from-gangs.htm
  (2020)
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:32am
  - Jack5
    
    ACT’s Seymour was the only MP who called for a rational, calm review of firearms legislation after the mosques massacres.
    
    National did not stand with him, and law changes were pushed through.
    
    I doubt that many lawful firearms owners are keen to get a gun register. They seem mostly to be happy with the present control system, which focuses on owners and licensing.
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:04pm
- JackRabbit
  
  I don’t think Judith does or says anything to create an effect. Judith is just Judith. She stands on principle.
  
  She is not like Cindy who is a weather vane to public opinion, constantly changing direction.
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:36am
Swifty

Something to remember next time some (invariably lefty) nong wants to bugger around with GST:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/food-news/300122087/subway-bread-isnt-bread-irish-court-rules
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October 2, 2020 8:47am
- Evadne
  
  Similar to the classic McVities court case regarding whether Jaffa cakes were chocolate covered biscuits (subject to 17.5% VAT) or chocolate covered cakes (which weren’t).
  
  http://www.jaffa-cakes.com/jaffa-cakes-biscuits-name
  
  It eventually came down to the fact Jaffa cakes go hard when stale, so were deemed cakes, because biscuits go soft when stale.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:22am
  - rockape
    
    I used to have to work with food and VAT (gst) in the UK. Hob Knob biscuits were VAT free and chocolate covered Hob Knobs we’re VAT liable. However the system was easy.
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:46am
  - rockape
    
    The differentiation was between food and what were considered luxury items. So a bar of chocolate was a luxury, a cabbage was food.
    
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    October 2, 2020 11:10am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Lockdown rules Re essential vs nonessential were similarly stupid: tried to order an item online: essential in one colour, nonessential in another. Totally bonkers.
    
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    October 2, 2020 11:13am
- rockape
  
  Steak is a food but eat it in a restaurant that’s a luxury and VAT liable.
  
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  October 2, 2020 11:12am
Catgurl13

I’m really wondering is Jabbacindy really naive,stupid or does she have a hatred towards us Kiwis as the reason for selling NZ down the river?. For opening up our boarders to just anybody who wants to come here. Is she so naive when putting on the hijab and hugging Muslims?, Not realising that is such massive mistake doing that. You only have to look at video evidence ( on another NZ blog site) of what is happening in Minnesota and the Somali ballot election fraud going on there. As Trump said there will be a big election fraud this year there. … [Deleted – Reasonable discussion of issues is OK, but please tone down your anti-Islam rhetoric. Mod.]
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October 2, 2020 8:53am
- KevO'Brien
  
  NZ is not an Islamic nation despite our PM’s promotion. Don’t suppress the natural uprising which is taking place in face of that.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:39am
  - freethinker
    
    Kev – Just watch Germany and Sweden were the Islamic invaders will become the new Jews, it’s ‘unlikely that they will be treated the same but I imagine the German population will find ways of encouraging the invaders to depart.
    
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    October 2, 2020 1:12pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  National is far better at replacing the native British posterity population with foreigners than Labour.
  National were bring in 70,000 immigrants a year.
  https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/net-migration-of-70000-in-december-2017-year
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:43am
  - JackRabbit
    
    National were not bringing them in. They came of their own accord to do the average jobs that lazy dole bludgers don’t want to get out of bed to do.
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:38am
    - ISeeRed
      
      That National weren’t giving the boot up the bum to, you mean. (I detest Labour and will be voting Nat/ACT but too many National loyalists here let National off the hook for the immigration fiasco during the “rockstar economy” years. They betrayed New Zealanders as much as Labour in this area.)
      
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      October 2, 2020 11:09am
    - WaynelSexton
      
      The whole world would come of their own accord if we didn’t have restrictions, we have welfare and indoor plumbing.
      The Dole myth is hilarious, we’ve had an increase of 1.7million people since the 1987 immigration act. I don’t think you can call that natural job growth.
      
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      October 2, 2020 12:02pm
      - Jack5
        
        We’ve had the fastest population growth of virtually any developed country, and that’s causing us to slip behind in the wealth of average New Zealanders.
        
        We measure this by GDP per capita, where NZ is 48th in the world, compared with Australia at 29th, the UK at 39th.
        
        Letting population growth surge faster than economic growth has been a disaster for New Zealand.
        
        The student visa rorts have been an important factor in the population surge.
        
        Claims that New Zealanders won’t work are rubbish. Low wages are the driver. People who want into the West will work for low wages while they wait for residency.
        
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        October 2, 2020 8:59pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    A lot were retuning kiwis seeing NZ’s success under National.
    
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    October 2, 2020 11:14am
    - WaynelSexton
      
      Pull up the pants and turn off the pornos, because they’re making you blind, Classical Liberal.
      Everyone with eyes can see how quickly the demographics were changing under National.
      
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      October 2, 2020 2:06pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Boarders are the people who rent your spare bedroom. Borders are what you cross to go from one country to another.
  How many times do I have to repeat this?
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:14am
  - RalphT
    
    But what if they come into the country and then rent your spare room? Are they border-boarders?
    
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    October 2, 2020 11:12am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      What if you import a dog. Could we get a cross-border, border-collie cross boarder in the kennels?
      
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      October 2, 2020 11:45am
Jack5

Parts of our universities are sick, sick, sick. Reverse discrimination at Otago University that’s swamping medical and health courses with lower-marks students isn’t something exceptional.

ACT’s championing charter schools. Not enough! Nowhere near enough. We need to move education for professions, engineering, science, agriculture and other vocational work into charter tertiary institutions.

Consider a contributed article in Stuff, headlined “The Structural Whiteness of Academia.”

Let’s consider one of the writers.

Mahdis Azarmandi lectures in education at Canterbury University (which, incidentally, created a research position for Australian border crasher Behrouz Boochani ). She helps mould students who will teach our children and grandchildren – a powerful and influential role.

You can read Azarmandi and colleagues in Stuff lashing “whiteness” in our institutions at the link below. First, something on her background.

Azarmandi lists on the university web site:

“My research is located at the intersections of Peace and Conflict Studies and Critical Race and Whiteness studies. I am particularly interested in questions of social justice and anti-racism. I am interested in epistemologies of ignorance and how they are reproduced within social justice movement. My work draws from intersectionality and critical race theory as well as decolonial theory.

“In addition to my work on antiracism, I write on the politics of memorialization with a specific focus on colonial monuments and the violence they reproduce.”

Azarmandi summarises her research fields as:

– Critical race and whiteness studies
– Racism and anti-racism
– Social justice
– Coloniality/ decoloniality
– Decolonization

She lists as her “key methodogies” critical discourse analysis and decolonizing methodologies.

Stuff’s article lamenting “whiteness” in academia:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300119712/the-structural-whiteness-of-academia

But you can hear Azarmandi in person, next Tuesday, at a meeting in Christchurch. She will “be in conversation” with the university’s “Office of AVC Maori, Pacific and Equity”.

The subject is listed as “Racism & the Institution: Whose job is it anyway?”
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October 2, 2020 8:54am
- Jack5
  
  This may interest you if you’re going to be at her “conversation.
  
  Some of Azarmandi’s students posting feedback about her when she was a lecturer at Indiana’s small, and once Methodist, DePauw University:
  
  https://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=2468984
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:15am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    “Closed-minded” and “not open to opposing ideas.” Awful ratings or excellent ratings, from the questioning students and the non-questioning students respectively.
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:56am
- Swifty
  
  Let’s hope the Covid-driven belt-tightening at our tertiary institutions result in these people being turfed out and forced to get a job doing something of use to the country.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12369673
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:22am
- Sigmund Freud
  
  All these disgruntled hackademics are female. Time to trot out ‘it’s because of their female hormones theory’.
  
  Seriously! What other explanation for these idlers and spongers?
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:32am
  - rockape
    
    Nelson DHB thinking of making all nurses starting shift have a Maori welcome each shift! Nurses to learn Maori so they can join in! Crazy!
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:51am
    - Piniwi
      
      Crazy rockape but not unexpected since for a long time native language and so called culture have been included in nursing courses at the cost of core subjects. It is for this reason that NZ trained nurses do not perform some basic procedures which migrant nurses arrive conversant in. Back in the day a young friend who took up nursing was a welcome dinner guest who entertained us with his “progress”. On one occasion telling us he was sent for 2 hours in the library to study one word of native gibberish and write an essay on it. He also had some funny anecdotes from his night shift work in a local old folks home. It was the latter that led to his biggest gripe about what they were not studying or lost from the course displaced by irrelevant matters.
      
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      October 2, 2020 2:40pm
- DeepBlue
  
  There should be one woke university of Aotearoa,with only woke subjects available. A hub for all the most inclined.
  
  All other Universities stick to STEM, medical, business, finance etc ethics and history/classics (for context).
  
  This way employers know exactly where to hire their graduates from.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:32am
- Oskar
  
  Critical Race Theory is right through the universities – its included in staff professional development courses. It will also be a core to the compulsory history curriculum now being prepared for primary schools.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:34am
  - Jack5
    
    An entry about Critical Race Theory at Britannica begins:
    
    Critical race theory (CRT), the view that the law and legal institutions are inherently racist and that race itself, instead of being biologically grounded and natural, is a socially constructed concept that is used by white people to further their economic and political interests at the expense of people of colour. According to critical race theory (CRT), racial inequality emerges from the social, economic, and legal differences that white people create between “races” to maintain elite white interests in labour markets and politics, giving rise to poverty and criminality in many minority communities.
    
    Are there really plans afoot to teach this in our primary schools?
    
    You can read about it at:
    
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory
    
    And Wikipedia has a background to “deconolinality”.
    
    WTF are we taxpayers funding people to teach this in our universities?
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoloniality
    
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    October 2, 2020 12:02pm
    - Jack5
      
      Edit: Decoloniality.
      
      It’s mumbo-jumbo no matter how you spell it.
      
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      October 2, 2020 12:09pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Cultural antiwhites full of mumbo jumbo. Perhaps it’s time to roast academia and get some real universities. This stuff is all about attitudes: someone else has got something they want and they are going to get it. The bully class again–and we are paying their salaries.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:50am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Look, these radical outsiders just want power and will guilt the gullible into freely giving it to them. When the Muslims build a civilisation as good as the West, then I may take their bitter and counter-factual criticisms and ideas seriously. These people hate us and the society they have willingly come to. Never forget that.
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:59am
  - freethinker
    
    The Muslim females in Christchurch cannot be forced to wear specific clothing, not drive, operate Bank accounts or do anything local females do so their complicity in adhering to their culture is either the community they live in and are scared to be different or they are infiltrating their host society with no intention of adopting that basic tenets of their hosts culture and practices whilst still retaining the best aspects of their own culture. In the UK I observed many Sikhs and other distinct minorities who would dress and act like locals with some token acknowledgement of their culture like wearing a Turban. They were respected as was their culture in fact I traded with some and attended some of their cultural events which were colorful, interesting and a bridge between culture through understanding.
    
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    October 2, 2020 1:28pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  ‘Whiteness studies’ wtf?? Imagine if you had an ethnicity based critical course against any other race?
  
  Yes, you’d be a racist.
  
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  October 2, 2020 11:33am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Our White fathers went off to War to fight against the Racist Nazis who believed in consigning racial groups to sub human categories…
    
    now we discover racist-think is still alive and well, and a lack of melanin defines you as an oppressor.
    
    Might be time for some Uni folk to read up on the oppression of the Bog Irish, Highland Scots, Russian serfs, Southern Germans, Catholics in Scandinavia, etc.
    
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    October 2, 2020 1:18pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Most of my long past forebears have been put down by outsiders. The Cockney were got by the Romans. I resonate very strongly with the Irish and feel about the British earlier intrusion. My Highland Scots had a hard time too similarly. My German portion seems to have annoyed others.
      
      If I was to take sides It may tear me to pieces. The past has to stay in its own zone. I’m definitely white by skin but my late wife was distinctly olive and our son was frequently mistaken by the Police as Maori or some such–he was brownish so a hazard to be examined from time to time in situ. Their crimes against race were ancestral colour genetics via Guernsey.
      
      I have discovered that tolerance goes a long way towards peaceful relations. Skin colour is irrelevant, humans have common aspirations to thrive world wide. In a stranger’s society leave them to their choices and try not to offend publicly against their values. I managed to live and work in Samoa for 7 years that way. I had to develop systems consonant with their culture and promote their society and nation. That did not require me exclude my own personality or values but to recognise I was a relative nobody in a different society. I became somebody by recognising that, even if I wasn’t served in a few shops. By acceding that people who I didn’t know ranked way above me I lost nothing. I was accorded the privilege eventually of being offered residency, land purchase rights and a Title. My roots in Wellington called me home. [The Rout of Labour ‘1975 was required. I turned Onehunga, the retiring Labour Deputy PM, into a close to marginal seat with my campaingn caravan being demolished by a Molotov cocktail on the eve of the election.]
      
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      October 2, 2020 3:29pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Western Australian health act appears to legalize breaking and entry to administer vaccines:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/australian-state-law-empowers-officials-to-forcibly-remove-underwear-to-administer-vaccine
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October 2, 2020 9:00am
Benedict Yu

What the hell? Anytime I read a post that uses one of my bullshit detector phrases I immediately stop reading so I don’t waste some of my limited life.

“web of connections” is one.

“dirty politics” is another.
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October 2, 2020 9:01am
I remember when

LAWA ten year summary of water quality for Canterbury waterways.
Lowland areas have worst water quality, followed by those flowing through pastoral areas , while those in native forest had the best.
Water quality in pastoral areas, while better than urban areas, showed a large decline from native vegetation catchments.
In rural areas there are auditable farm environmental plans, nutrient limits and rules to keep livestock out of waterways.
The report was a ‘mixed bag’ with a river improving or every one that was declining.
It was agreed that it is a longterm game.
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October 2, 2020 9:08am
- marcw
  
  In the interests of balance:
  
  About LAWA
  
  “Land, Air, Water Aotearoa (LAWA) has been established by like-minded organisations with a view to helping local communities find the balance between using natural resources and maintaining their quality and availability. LAWA connects us with the environment by sharing environmental data and information.
  
  Initially a collaboration between New Zealand’s 16 regional councils and unitary authorities, LAWA is now a partnership between the councils, Cawthron Institute, and the Ministry for the Environment and has been supported by the Tindall Foundation and Massey University.”
  
  https://www.lawa.org.nz/about
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:19am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    A job best left to farmers. Socialists destroy, farmers build.
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:52am
lastmanstanding

A Message to Left Wing Politicians.

A tax cut is NOT a handout. Repeat after me. A tax cut is NOT a handout.
It is hard working taxpayers getting to keep more of their hard earned coin rather than having it confiscated by the STATE and wasted by the STATE

A special message to Cindy.

I understand you dont get this. After all you proved you dont understand Economics by not being able to get that GNP and GDP aint the same.
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October 2, 2020 9:15am
- Ian Boag
  
  Person on $40k – “living wage” of $20/hour and a 40 hour week – gets about $9/week back in the hand. Person on $90k+ gets about $60/week in the hand.
  
  Hmm. That will really get us going again ….
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:28am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Yes…
    Quick economics lesson for ya.
    If these people you use in your example, all buy one packet of biscuits each per week.
    Considering about 2.5mill wage/ salary earners.
    How many extra people will Griffins have to employ to cover the increased demand?
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:35am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Considering 2.5mill packets per week
      at 200g per packet so 500tonnes of biscuits to be delivered ie 25 MORE truck drivers as well etc etc
      Now tell me how the economy is impacted.
      
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      October 2, 2020 9:40am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Ahh, but how many fewer PSA members will be employed as a result of tax cuts? And how much money will no longer be handed out to Labour’s clients/voters? Those is the most critical metric for measurement of all Labour govt policy.
        
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        October 2, 2020 12:07pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Ahh UrbanNeocolonialist
        But that is a saving to the govt. /tax payer
        The difference we pay them in salary $90 000 each to the dole $20000.
        The country is better off by $70000 per year per PSA member.
        
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        October 2, 2020 7:16pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Gets their own money back!
    
    So if you earn more you you get to keep more.
    
    it’s called incentive.
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Those persons will then get back $69. That is $69 that the Govt can not waste. Now you know why Jaspinda is against Tax cuts
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Also, Jaspinda herself said she does not need a Tax cut. Well if you get $471K you should not need a Tax cut for fucks sake
      
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      October 2, 2020 10:06am
      - Ehlana
        
        I keep hearing people like our PM say they personally don’t need a tax cut and that instead taxes should be raised so the government can give more money to X.
        If they honestly believe X needs more funding and they themselves are so well off, why don’t they just donate directly?
        
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        October 2, 2020 5:45pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    The person on $40k has already had their free money. He or she already pays $15,000 less tax than the person on $90k, yet both are equally responsible for their contribution to the upkeep of the country.
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:43am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Ian… Your envy and jealousy are showing again.
    
    Want a better income… Get a better job via training and education…
    
    It seems to me the Left make virtues of all the Seven Deadly sins…. Hence wht they are so bitter and destructive
    
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    October 2, 2020 1:54pm
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Ian you missed the point as Lefties always do. It has nothing to do with the quantum of the tax cut.
    
    Rather it is about the principle.
    
    And is this case explaining is NOT losing rather its ensuring that the principle is front and centre.
    
    Not that Lefties have principles………….well not honourable ones.
    
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    October 2, 2020 2:01pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  She kept calling it “a sugar rush” ..Nationals proposal of a temporary tax cut.
  In those terms
  If a tax cut is a sugar rush
  What is borrowing money to pay welfare?
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:30am
  - tf78
    
    RW – I loved the way Judith responded “It might be a sugar rush to you but it’s a lot of money to others” or some such words.
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:29am
  - JackRabbit
    
    She kept calling it “a sugar rush”
    
    That’s because all of Cindy’s actions are “sugar rushes” and instant gratification, so she judges Judith by own weaknesses.
    
    Her last three being a lockdown “sugar rush”, a 100Bn spending spree “sugar rush”, and the daily “look at me, look at me” Covid-19 porn show sermons.
    
    She has subjected NZ to a massive “sugar rush”, and NZ is about to wake up at the end of the year to one hell of a massive post “sugar rush” withdrawal headache of epic proportions.
    
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    October 2, 2020 11:30am
  - freethinker
    
    RWC – The borrowing is the equivalent of 25 years of P metaphorically.
    
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    October 2, 2020 1:34pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      She better let that bad chek out then, she’s going to need a friend to administer it.
      
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      October 2, 2020 7:18pm
- Gravelroad
  
  It’s not the cynical left wing politicians needing to be convinced, Lastman. They know this already.
  It’s the economic illiterates and the people consumed with envy of others who work hard and earn their own money – cause that’s not fair – see?
  There are so many people brainwashed to believe that someone else “owes” them and that it’s only right that money should be redistributed to those who don’t work and never will.
  Tax cuts mean nothing to them and “the rich” don’t deserve them.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:33am
- Piniwi
  
  But lms her PR team had rendered up another little buzz phrase to counter the tax cuts as a “sugar rush” in the second debate. Missing the point completely that those to get the most from this will be mainly middle income public servants. The same group that are likely to be most vocal about wage demands who are also those most likely to go on strike for more.
  It is in fact the economy that will enjoy the sweetness most as the recipients might also enjoy some delayed “want list” spending.
  
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  October 2, 2020 2:59pm
Captain Mainwaring

Has anyone else noticed that the TV3 weather lady seems to think that it’s still Maori Language Week?
It’s really pissing me off but is there any point in complaining?
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October 2, 2020 9:22am
- alloytoo
  
  I think you should explain to TV3 that you find it threatening and that TV3 should be providing you with a safe space.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:32am
- Mike
  
  Tell us how the te reo hurt you.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:42am
  - RJ
    
    Tell us how having two accounts you use on this blog makes you feel better, does it allow you to pretend you haven’t said a lot of the crap you do.
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:51am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Sure. If I log on through Patreon, I come up as ‘Mike’. If I don’t, it will be ‘Mikenmildagain’.
      
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      October 2, 2020 11:18am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      oops…sorry ticked down instead of up
      
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      October 2, 2020 11:38am
  - Paulus
    
    No translation to other languages English and Sign Language..
    
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    October 2, 2020 1:29pm
  - Allan
    
    Unless you have a special affiliation to the language which apart from a few people in NZ and some of the Pacific Islands use there is no point in learning this language as there is no benefit from doing so. I find it quite off putting the woke, social engineering currently going on with Te Reo being constantly rammed down our throats and like Captain Mainwaring am getting very annoyed with this practice.
    
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    October 2, 2020 2:23pm
    - Jimmy White
      
      I hear that if you speak Maori there is in a village in Northern Taiwan three old women and a deaf man can understand you. Therefore it should be classed as an International language. Ao Reo
      
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      October 2, 2020 3:45pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  She looks threatening too. Does she have the cultural authority through birth or achievement to proclaim status as she does?
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:55am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Turn off the news.
  Make some children.
  Homeschool the children.
  Teach the children the real names of NZ towns.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Our ‘huarere’ is importanter bro
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:07am
- Deagle
  
  Just cut the cord.
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:20am
- Jimmy White
  
  I can’t understand the logic.
  English has Maori subtitles for the 6% who speak it, of which 99% of them understand english.
  Maori has no English subtitles for the 94% who can’t speak it.
  
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  October 2, 2020 3:49pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Will it help if I tell you the decision makers didn’t use logic?
    
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    October 2, 2020 5:28pm
- Hollyfield
  
  On Wednesday 30 September the Government emailed my workplace some new covid qr code posters in Maori, asking us to display them to celebrate Maori Language Month.
  
  Apparently Maori Language Week was 14-20 September, but whether it was a week or a month, it was still late sending us a qr code on the last day of the month. Par for course for this Government.
  
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  October 2, 2020 5:56pm
Maggie Pie

Why doesn’t India have it’s own Curry Cup Tournament?
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October 2, 2020 9:27am
- RW Capitalist
  
  They do
  It’s on the menu, not the sports field and it’s more of a bowl.
  PS
  In China, is Chinese food, just called food?
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:32am
  - alloytoo
    
    In Durban it’s Curry in a Bunny.
    
    Yummy
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:57am
  - kowtow
    
    Batty question. It’s called chow , which is a type of dog.
    
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    October 2, 2020 11:15am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      A hot dog?
      
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      October 2, 2020 11:42am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Only in the summer.
        
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        October 2, 2020 1:30pm
    - alloytoo
      
      It’s effete to call it Bunny Chow, when you order you simply ask for a Bunny (with the curry of your choice)
      
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      October 2, 2020 1:20pm
- Jimmy White
  
  You will find that in India there is no word for Curry.
  Curry is a name invented in the UK to explain the yellow crap they put on your mutton/goat/beef to hid the taste of dog.
  Each State has ‘spicy’ dishes that a different depending if you are Vegetarian (South) or not (North). They are all different with different spices and different names
  
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  October 2, 2020 11:11am
  - Ed Snack
    
    And some are old European imports. The well known “Vindaloo” dish is actually originally Portuguese from Goa.
    
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    October 2, 2020 1:31pm
Swifty

A question for Christians.

Would you be happy to see your tax dollars go to the funding of the building of mosques in NZ?

Do you think it the role of the NZ government to fund mosque building?

Do you think the state should be giving tax dollars to any religious organisations, under any circumstances? Or should they stay out of it?

Many thanks.
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October 2, 2020 9:35am
- alloytoo
  
  Stay out of it.
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:58am
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks alloytoo.
    
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    October 2, 2020 6:26pm
- Yvette
  
  Swiftly.
  Shane Jones’ pork-barrel fund is giving $10 million to Pacific Churches, from Balclutha to the West Coast to Hamilton, for building maintenance on the pretext of jobs – be those professional carpenters and repair people, or whence construction materials may come or not.
  So mosque repair may legitimately be next.
  Is that what you refer to, is it not?
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:36am
  - Swifty
    
    “Is that what you refer to, is it not?”
    
    Yes it is.
    
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    October 2, 2020 6:26pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Is that something that’s actually happening?
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:37am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Mike you know every well, the money will be spent, but Shane’s mates will stay firmly wedged on their couches and Cindys team will blame Covid for the inaction.
    Chapter 2 Page 47 of the book they gave you at Fraser House.
    
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    October 2, 2020 11:16am
- Tony
  
  I am a Christian. My view is that the government shouldn’t be funding any religious organisations at all.
  
  The recent funding of Pacifica churches was completely wrong, and nothing more than blatant racism and vote-buying.
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:39am
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks Tony.
    
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    October 2, 2020 6:25pm
- Paulus
  
  Believe most of the money for Mosques is provided from Saudi Arabia (throughout the world).
  
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  October 2, 2020 1:34pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Ah, that beacon of human rights, LGBT support and women’s equality. Jacinda must show her support for Saudi Arabia by keeping on w that hijab-wearing!
    
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    October 2, 2020 2:44pm
  - MCos
    
    There’s a Thai Buddhist temple in South Auckland that received a lot of money from Thailand for refurbishment.
    So what?
    
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    October 2, 2020 9:53pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  State funding for Mosques would be like blasphemy. Christians can never accept Muslims as an alternative. Any govt that goes that way could be damaging NZ.
  Some issues are too important to be ignored as trivial. What if wrong decisions are made in ignorance?
  
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  October 2, 2020 3:41pm
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks for your answer Kev.
    
    Would you accept taxpayer money if on offer for church building?
    
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    October 2, 2020 6:25pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The Anglican Church has already accepted such an offer to assist with the rebuild of the Christchurch Cathedral.
      
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      October 2, 2020 7:09pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        But that’s ok? Some religious nutters should get help but not others?
        
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        October 2, 2020 7:49pm
- Billy Collins
  
  The govt already gives tax dollars to organisations built around belief systems. They just call those other ones secular and think that somehow makes a difference. People only ask this about religious organisations because they have already mistakenly assume that religious beliefs have no rational basis compared to secular beliefs.
  
  The vast majority of people have no clue of the rational basis for many secular ideals.
  
  Psychology and the social sciences, for instance, are currently facing serious credibility problems. The govt still funds all that though purely because they most people still think they are reliable and credible. Most people see no problem with it because they don’t know the problems with it. I’m sure if people understood Marxism and realized that 1 in 4 psychology professors describe themselves as ‘radical’ and ‘Marxist’, they would have serious problems with it.
  
  I want the govt to fund things where I think funding will help us get to the true and the good.
  
  Funding mosques isn’t doing that because Islam is false. Funding churches, particularly Catholic parishes, however, is a possibility because Christianity, and Catholicism specifically, is true. Only a possibility though because, as Labour has shown this term, funding something doesn’t necessarily make it better. It would be a case by case basis.
  
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  October 2, 2020 5:16pm
  - Swifty
    
    Thank you Billy Collins.
    
    Do you think that the Catholic Church should accept NZ taxpayer money if on offer by any NZ government?
    
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    October 2, 2020 6:23pm
lastmanstanding

I missed the post on the second Auckland harbour crossing. Can I give you the history around the current bridge as it is a perfect illustration of short sighted local and central government mentality.

The US company that built the Sydney harbour bridge in the late 20s early 30s offered the then government they would build a duplicate and take an agreed toll for 30 years maintain the bridge and then turn it over to the government.

Remember at that time it was the Depression with many out of work.

The government refused saying a crossing wasnt necessary.

After WW2 Sir John Allum Mayor of Auckland proposed an 8 lane double track rail cycle way and walk way. The government reduced this over time to 4 lanes only with the bridge opening in May 1959.
Due to traffic volumes to bridge was doubled to 8 lanes with the Nippon Clippons.
In the early 1970s The Auckland Harbour Bridge Authority proposed a tolled crossing at Meola Reef a low structure to reduce cost and to link with a proposed Ring Road that would take non CBD traffic.

The government refused saying it wasnt necessary.

In 1984 Rob Muldoon abolished the toll then 20 cents only one way City to Shore to try and win the election.

So there could have been a second crossing from mid to late 70s with a toll at the rate of 20 cents adjusted for inflation and if the toll on the original bridge had been maintained the tolls would have paid to maintain and pay the interest on the borrowings.

How do I know this. My late Uncle Owen Brannigan was Secretary Treasurer and then General Manage from the time the AHBA was established until it was disbanded.

Bugger all people know the history including the Pollies as I have found out from time to time when questioning the morons.
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October 2, 2020 9:42am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The harbor bridge cost about the same to build (inflation adjusted) as the insanely expensive Skybridge (clip on footbridge) will. The regulatory-overburdened west has lost the ability to create infrastructure affordably, everything will continue to get worse and worse.
  
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  October 2, 2020 12:01pm
RF

Rather pissed off to discover that several of my true blue mates have done the numbers and decided to vote Labour. This is to block the greens.

They believe National has lost too much ground over its stumbles since Bill English was rolled. In addition the media support Ardern who in their eyes can do no wrong.
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October 2, 2020 9:44am
- BeaB
  
  What twaddle.
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:03am
- Flossie
  
  I don’t think Bill English was rolled. Did he not step down?
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:36am
  - RJ
    
    Yeah he retired, wasn’t rolled.
    
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    October 2, 2020 10:48am
- RJ
  
  Won’t block the greens in anyway, if they get back in they will still be given minister portfilos. All these people are doing is giving a labour greens government a greater majority. These are the people that will cost national a win, national are higher than the public polls. It is much closer race than people realise, so giving their vote to labour they are throwing that away.
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:46am
- Chris Walden
  
  If this is true, then you need to get new mates.
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:49am
- softail 1450
  
  R F,”true blue” Yeah Nah, most important of all be true to yourself, you should try it when B/S ing like that…
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:53am
- lifesgood
  
  You are talking rot. I don’t believe a word of it.
  
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  October 2, 2020 11:59am
- Bobba Fret
  
  You need to get new mates as they are not very smart. If they are annoyed with Nats, tell them to vote Act.
  
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  October 2, 2020 12:27pm
  - RF
    
    I’m a member of the National Party and told my now former mates what I think of them. I hate to burst a few bubbles but I heard of other who intend vote Labour to block the greens.
    
    life’sgood. Don’t be a tosser as unfortunately it’s true.
    
    I received my updated Nats membership that that used to be plastic and now cardboard.
    
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    October 2, 2020 5:28pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It goes both ways. Expect a National landslide. A re-run of 1975 is likely. Ardern has proven her amateur standing and inability to do little more than attend kindergartens and emote.
  
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  October 2, 2020 7:17pm
Happychappy

Neale Jones like most Labour members likes to spew his diatribe on Twitter because his inept Leader lost two debates on National TV to Judith Collins , so he is calling Judith a bully. It’s not Judith Collins fault that she was better prepared than Jacinda and maybe Jacinda should stop being lazy and relying on Covid -19 to win the Election for her instead whinging and blaming other for her own inept ability in the debates and her job as Prime Minister.
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October 2, 2020 9:44am
- Batman
  
  He’s a former advisor to Labour and the PM, and is a lefty lobbyist.
  
  So you can take his claims with a huge grain of salt. He and Clint are the two Labour Bros of Twitter haha
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, he’s trying to place this meme into the internet ether…
  Judith Collins is forever the bully, forever the victim
  
  Seems a massive case of projection…
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:59am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Labour and its activists are extremely angry at both Gower and Campbell for not protecting the poor little female “victim”, Jacinda. It’s the first time we’ve seen her without protection and she’s been crushed. They believe that is unfair and that calling out Jacinda’s dishonesty is bullying. They cannot admit the truth – that Jacinda isn’t honest or caring or a good leader or in any way competent or capable.
  So they make a lie about Judith being a bully.
  
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  October 2, 2020 11:23am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The lefties are bullies by instinct, followers without reason. They can never be doers which are required for those in Executive Government.
    Lefties are easy prey and pickings. Thinking is done for them and they will give up their freedom for a dream. Others leading them with the power of presenting visions turn them into serfs, enjoy life at the top while the deluded accept their lot. Meanwhile prices creep the race upwards…
    
    NZ the way you want it?
    
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    October 2, 2020 7:26pm
- Ruahine
  
  Bully for Judith I say.
  
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  October 2, 2020 11:42am
tf78

“Hi, It’s Jacinda here”
– sorry you must have the wrong number!
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October 2, 2020 9:46am
BeaB

Red Radio- Goldsmith gets grilled and constantly interrupted. Robertson is allowed to spout Labour burble uninterrupted with lots of cosy laughs.
Ardern is spoken about in glowing, even reverential tones.
Collins is constantly called Crusher and subtly mocked.
It’s a pity there are no feminists at RNZ to stand up and say this is misogynistic to constantly belittle a woman with a nasty nickname.
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October 2, 2020 10:07am
- Lance
  
  Q+A is no better
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:22am
- Flossie
  
  BeaB…this is misogynistic to constantly belittle a woman with a nasty nickname.
  
  Stop with the idea that any criticism is misogyny. If either Jacinda or Judith is criticised is is not for their gender, it’s for their failings. Did you ever want to call the mocking of Simon Bridges misogyny?
  
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  October 2, 2020 10:41am
  - BeaB
    
    Flossie – I d0nt need a lecture from you.
    Criticise Collins all you like but it tips over into misogyny when the ONLY MP routinely given an unpleasant nickname is a w0man – and, a woman up against the media’s goddess.
    I call their treatment of Ardern misogynistic too as she should be standing on her own merits rather than conniving with this demeaning adoration and soft-glove treatment.
    
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    October 2, 2020 12:07pm
    - Flossie
      
      Where did I ever criticise Collins?
      
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      October 2, 2020 12:50pm
  - Jimmy White
    
    Flossie you are nothing but an outright misandrist.
    Us poor old white males need protection from you rabid feminists who if you had your way would castrate the lot of us.
    
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    October 2, 2020 3:36pm
Batman

Morning all, here’s a little update for anyone still thinking Project Veritas isn’t a sham with more plot holes than Days of Our Lives.

Turns out the main character in the video lied about his background and, in a delicious irony, was convicted of immigration fraud back in the mid-2000s.

So as is normal for veritas, their works of fiction fall apart within days.

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/project-veritas-ilhan-omar-jamal-somaliaa-watchdog-group/

“The Ramsey County Sheriff Department’s phone line operator could not confirm to the Daily Dot if Jamal is or was an employee. Multiple requests for such information to numerous department representatives went unreturned.

When the Daily Dot asked Veritas’ spokesperson if they ever confirmed he worked for the department, McCabe stated, “He represented to us that he was—had a relationship with the Ramsey County Sheriff Department.”

“Following publication of this post, Tufts University Graduate School of International Affairs informed the Daily Dot that Jamal never addended their institution, which he claims to have studied at in 2013-2014.

Further, according to records obtained by the Daily Dot, Jamal isn’t currently a U.N. Permanent Representative to the Federal Republic of Somalia, which he has also claimed on LinkedIn.

When reached for comment Jamal went on a tirade against this reporter, stating: “Fuck you … I’m going to report you … I want to fuck your mother, that’s the school I went to!”

“He continued by asking this reporter, “you know the school I went to? How to make a good…love with your mother, OK?”

He then hung up.”
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October 2, 2020 10:44am
- Fletch
  
  Vertitas does stellar work. Probably the only people who do undercover investigative reporting at all now. Back in the 60s and 70s, reporters going undercover was seen as valid and important, heroic work and now, somehow, it is frowned upon with Dems saying, oh, you’re not allowed to film people without their consent yadda, yadda, when they were perfectly OK with it in the past.
  
  You only have to look at the work Veritas produces to see how true it is. You think they have actors make up all this stuff? No, those are real people, with their names given and faces shown doing they things they do on camera. It is not faked in any way. Most times (as with the reporting from abortion clinics) they release the whole long-form video so you can see it is not deceptively edited.
  
  If they are complaining about people undercover not being who they claim to be, well, duh – that is what undercover is. Or do you not understand that is what is involved in disguising oneself?
  
  May they long continue to expose fraud and uncover the plans of the left. Remember after Trump won the election, the plans to disrupt his inauguration with butyric acid chemical attacks by the “D.C. Anti-Fascist Coalition” and the “Disrupt J-20” group? Just imagine if that had gone ahead.
  
  They also exposed the planting of rioters at Trump rallies direct connections to Hillary and the DNC
  
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  October 2, 2020 11:06am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Means nothing, Batman. The rubes will lap that shit up no matter how many times O’Keefe is exposed.
  
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  October 2, 2020 11:19am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    See Fletch above, for example.
    
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    October 2, 2020 11:41am
    - Ed Snack
      
      “Exposed”, snort.
      
      So you take in the lies put out to “expose” Veritas. Must be nice to have such a gullible nature, I’d offer you this bridge I have for sale, but I get the feeling you already have quite a few.
      
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      October 2, 2020 1:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  You are at work I assume…..
  
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  October 2, 2020 11:30am
- Tall Man
  
  You are aware that we have an election here soon aren’t you?
  
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  October 2, 2020 3:26pm
- Jimmy White
  
  So the car full of ballots was fake? WoW. Just like the 100,000 in NY.
  
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  October 2, 2020 3:33pm
  - Batman
    
    Legally collected ballots which is not illegal in that state.
    
    You might learn something from the below but of course it’ll be dismissed as fake (the new cowards excuse for anything and everything)
    
    The Attack on Voting in the 2020 Elections https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/magazine/trump-voter-fraud.html
    
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    October 2, 2020 3:42pm
Fletch

Ouch, watch Ted Cruz smack down Chris Cuomo over Cuomo’s brother (the governor of New York) sending covid-positive patients into nursing homes. Cuomo started it, and Cruz lays it out there. You can see Cuomo getting worked up.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2020/10/01/epic-ted-cruz-demolishes-cnns-fredo-cuomo-20-minute-brawl
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October 2, 2020 10:52am
Than

Orange Donny is saying he won’t accept any rules changes for the next two presidential debates. Not a smart move.

Trump needs the presidential debates a lot more than Biden does. He needs something to turn the polls around, and the debates are an opportunity to do that. But after Tuesday’s debacle the Biden camp already have a plausible excuse to decline future debates. Trump refusing to consider rules changes just makes that case much stronger.
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October 2, 2020 10:54am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Why would Trump agree to allow the Biden camp to cheat even more in the debate? ?
  
  Trump Exposes Debate Commission Hacks: No Calls for Mic Cuts After Biden Heckled, Interrupted Ryan 82 Times in 2012 Debate
  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/trump-exposes-debate-commission-hacks-no-calls-mic-cuts-biden-heckled-interrupted-ryan-82-times-2012-debate/
  
  Nolte: Joe Biden and Chris Wallace Started It by Interrupting Trump Numerous Times First
  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/30/nolte-joe-biden-and-chris-wallace-started-it-by-interrupting-trump-numerous-times-first/
  
  Steve Scully. The Moderator for the 2nd Presidential Debate is a good friend of Biden’s and served as an intern for him as well.
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkIcl5NWkAAHnQi?format=jpg
  
  Trump is doing fine, as there’s no enthusiasm for Sleepy Joe ?
  https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1311564602036154368
  
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  October 2, 2020 11:39am
  - Than
    
    So actually following the rules both sides agreed to is considered cheating now?
    
    You Trumpistas just don’t live in the same reality as everybody else, do you.
    
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    October 2, 2020 12:08pm
    - Critical Thinker
      
      It’s the Biden camp that doesn’t want to follow the rules. As you just pointed out that they’re the ones that are desperately wanting to change them ?
      
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      October 2, 2020 12:23pm
      - Than
        
        The Biden camp doesn’t want to change the rules – the just want the agreed rules to be followed. And since the obnoxious orange clown won’t voluntarily follow the rules, that means changed are needed that compel him to.
        
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        October 2, 2020 12:51pm
      - Batman
        
        The next moderator just needs a cattle prod.
        
        Or perhaps a water gun to shoot at Trump’s delicate hair every time he won’t shut up… That’ll get his attention real quick.
        
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        October 2, 2020 1:25pm
      - MCos
        
        I think you’ll find the Commission on Presidential Debates want to change the rules after the shambles the other day. Who can blame them because if they don’t they might be out of a job.
        Last I heard President Trump doesn’t want a change. I’m not sure of his thinking because his best bet is to let Biden talk.
        Biden doesn’t have much in the way of policy. He’s there as a non controversial alternative. That’s why he beat Bernie.
        
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        October 2, 2020 1:06pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Correct, Biden tried to use the same tactics he used against Ryan in 2012 (for which he was widely praised in the media).
        
        You can’t get the pro-senility crew to admit it, but Biden interrupted first, three times with no response from Wallace, so Trump took that as being the new “rules”, and then cowed Biden consistently.
        
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        October 2, 2020 1:40pm
      - Batman
        
        Hahaha fuck off mate that is hilarious. He came out the gate looking to shout and dominate.
        
        Either way it doesn’t matter, he’s getting a caning from every poll and centre voters
        
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        October 2, 2020 3:09pm
      - softail 1450
        
        C T, Biden making gaffes is to keep the limelight off of the horrendous Toes up Harris ,she can out gaffe Biden 4 to 1 ,the other day she referred to the “Harris with Biden ” presidency and of course it wasn’t reported by the MSM at all.
        She’s a long term stoner and it shows.
        
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        October 2, 2020 3:02pm
      - Jimmy White
        
        The next moderator was once one of Senator Biden’s interns so we should get a fairer debate than last time….. NAAAAAAA
        
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        October 2, 2020 3:30pm
      - MCos
        
        The problem with all this ‘Biden can’t string two words together’ & ‘Harris is crazy’ talk is just appearing in these debates as intelligent people means they’re ahead already.
        
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        October 2, 2020 3:50pm
Maggie Pie

NewsTalk ZB’s Kerry Woodham tells caller, “Owning 120 homes is faaar too many”

What about…. f- – k off and mind ya’ business!!?
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October 2, 2020 11:26am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Yes
  I tend to file that in the big file under business
  sub file
  NUNYA
  as in NUNYA business
  
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  October 2, 2020 11:46am
  - sooty
    
    Well done that man. You need a box of Tui’s!
    
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    October 2, 2020 2:16pm
Inandout

Harry has had an ‘awakening’ or epiphany by listening to Merkel’s pillow talk.
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/5f7619204eb99611d5efd8b2
Will he donate his wealth to BLM?
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October 2, 2020 11:44am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  Harry’s getting it on with Angela? Things you learn on the internet!
  
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  October 2, 2020 7:27pm
RW Capitalist

The standard are awake again!!!
The internet sewage system is no longer backed up.
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October 2, 2020 11:44am
Captain Mainwaring

Breaking news. Labour is copying National’s policy to abolish the RMA.
The only difference is that National will actually be able to do it, but Labour won’t because the Greens will apply the handbrake.
TWO TICKS BLUE, (or one blue and one yellow).
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October 2, 2020 12:21pm
- Hollyfield
  
  Labour are definitely worried! After bagging National’s policy for months/years, they have now copied it! Only 2 nights ago at the debate Jacinda was scathing about National wanting to change the RMA, and gave the impression she thought there was no need to make any changes and it wasn’t impacting on house prices.
  
  Since a recent poll in the Herald had 50% in favour on tax cuts, 29% say no change and 9% say increase taxes – I fully expect Labour’s next policy announcement to be tax cuts!
  
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  October 2, 2020 12:35pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    @ Hollyfield.
    
    you said
    Labour are definitely worried.
    
    I would have thought that it should be National that should be worried.
    With ACT flying high and taking votes off National, the Greens likely to make it back into Parliament , then National will be decimated .
    There must be many very worried Nat MPs at the moment.
    
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    October 2, 2020 1:31pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Everyone is worried. That’s an election for ya.
      
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      October 2, 2020 2:49pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You may think that but those with a working brain are well aware that cindy’s reign of stupidity is coming to an end.
      
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      October 2, 2020 3:21pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  ☑️☑️
  I believe this election is too important to split the Party vote.
  
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  October 2, 2020 12:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Err Labour won’t because they will hand it over to Twyford, Davis, Parker. Huge fuckup. Two ticks blue
  
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  October 2, 2020 3:56pm
- jv
  
  A ploy to scare vote to Greens in case they are needed to prop up Labour, then the usual Labour working group, blah blah, no delivery. Or am I getting too cynical.
  
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  October 2, 2020 7:12pm
rockape

I see Labour has adopted Nationals policy of dumping the RMA. Pity they voted against it when National were in power. Just think of how many more homes could have been built.
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October 2, 2020 12:21pm
- Tricati
  
  So true rockape – The hypocrisy runs deep with these aresholes.
  Prior to the last election we had Twyford constantly on TV calling Nick Smith useless over the housing issues; with Smith clearly articulating the core issue was the RMA, and there is no better example of working around the RMA nonsense was what happened in Christchurch after the earthquakes and land was freed up.
  Labour, Greens, Dunne and the self serving Maori party, blocked Nationals attempts to reform the RMA so if I was Judith, I would be going full noise on Ardern over this latest ‘on the hoof’ policy.
  
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  October 2, 2020 12:44pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    This RMA debacle is the one issue that has severely shaken my faith in the National Party.
    Over their nine years in office, people out in the regions literally begged them to reform the RMA – but they just wouldn’t and consistently and gutlessly blamed others for it.
    Mostly it was Winston Peters who was blocking it apparently. We were told this numerous times and not just by our own electorate MP (for whom I am unlikely to vote this time because of his slack attitude).
    I would like to believe that Ms Collins will do something positive about the RMA it if she gets in – but will not hold my breath.
    
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    October 2, 2020 2:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Err Labour won’t because they will hand it over to Twyford, Davis, Parker. Huge fuckup. Two ticks blue
  
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  October 2, 2020 4:06pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

Most DISLIKED ‘TV Personality’ in New Zealand – John Campbell
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October 2, 2020 12:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Campbell is a cock. Thing is, he knows it and does not give a shit. A grade wanker
  
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  October 2, 2020 4:08pm
namron

Loathed equally with Tova O’Brien.
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October 2, 2020 1:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So Jacinda and Labour finally realise that dear old Geoffrey’s baby had morphed into a monster.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/07/resource-management-act-s-creator-sir-geoffrey-palmer-labels-it-an-incoherent-mess.html

Next time around… don’t get someone who knows nothing about the Environment to write environmental policy/legislation.
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October 2, 2020 1:32pm
- softail 1450
  
  M W ,it’s a joke, can you imagine what the replacement will be like ?
  Kiwibuild,
  Billion trees,
  Child poverdy,
  Jones’s 3 billion,
  lightrail,
  ETC,ETC, it will be a cockup to make the rest of their failures look like raging successes ,head in the sand Ardern will probably leave it in Twitfords safe hands.
  
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  October 2, 2020 2:51pm
- jv
  
  Never a truer word Maggy, all done with the help of sycophantic MfE officials
  
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  October 2, 2020 7:03pm
Maggie Pie

“If it’s back is facing the sky, you can eat it”
– Confucius

https://twitter.com/NatashaFatah/status/1311774619012149248

🙁
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October 2, 2020 1:40pm
Maggie Pie

Ma just called in a moment ago and dropped us off a cream Pav to have for dinner. Thort she asked an interesting question, “Who would you rather have as Deputy Prime Minister, Winston….. or that Davidson woman?”
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October 2, 2020 2:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  Thankfully it won’t be up to “Ma” or cindy.
  
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  October 2, 2020 3:18pm
- alloytoo
  
  Seymour.
  
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  October 2, 2020 3:27pm
greenfinger

Not sure if anyone saw the Princess on her campaign trail where she promises to repeal the RMA. It took her 3 years and 2 housing ministers to figure that out. Golly, the “tools” in my hardware box are more useful than her and her dwarfs!
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October 2, 2020 3:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The tools you speak of are far more useful than the tools in the current controllers
  
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  October 2, 2020 4:11pm
- nathie
  
  Well it only took Labour TWELVE years to figure that one out!
  
  (How they wouldn’t support National from 2008 onwards to reform the RMA).
  
  So is that “12 years of neglect”, Labour?
  
  Think how many houses could have been built in that time if Labour weren’t playing game, and help with reducing run-away house prices …
  
  Make that 12 years of Failures (not just the last 3), Labour!
  
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  October 2, 2020 9:42pm
Jimmy White

Looks like you can now catch Covid from rubbish tin lids.
After the last F*ck up it was Lift Buttons
Next it will be toilet seats and tampon dispensers.
Maybe its just the Isolation facilities just don’t have any isolation and also that you don’t need a clean bill of health before you get on the aeroplane.
Negative test result in India can be brought for $500 rupees ($NZ10)
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October 2, 2020 3:24pm
- lifesgood
  
  Professor of Medicine from Auckland says that’s rot and that they claimed it came from a rubbish bin because they don’t have any idea where it came from but don’t want to admit it. I’d believe him any day over the bureaucrat wonks who will say anything to please Jacinda.
  
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  October 2, 2020 5:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    
    we’ve had frozen goods, lift buttons and now rubbish lids offered as explanations when the “tricky little virus” appears unexpectedly.
    
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    October 2, 2020 7:37pm
    - sooty
      
      So don’t try to recycle, just chuck it on the floor!
      
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      October 2, 2020 9:53pm
Maggie Pie

Trending now…..

KDC goes ‘full-retard’ for Star Wars Weekend 😛

https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1311826289100124160
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October 2, 2020 3:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He is FITH, smart cookie but FITH
  
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  October 2, 2020 4:13pm
I remember when

Labour ready to “hit the go button” on regional state service hubs early next term if re-elected.
State Service Minister Chris Hipkins told Stuff that work outside the main centres would take pressure off existing offices.
In Wellington, places like Upper and Lower Hutt, Porirua and Kapiti had suitable under-utilised commercial areas and populations of public servants.
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October 2, 2020 3:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Places like ‘Upper and Lower Hutt, Porirua and Kapiti’ are outside the main centers? Seriously?
  Just chippie wanting people to work (haha) from home, and stop the traffic flow to the city. Come to Auckland Hipkins and see what it is like on the Shore – when you work on the Shore, travel 8 min to Rosedale on Sundays, but 70 min when the bridge is fucked.
  No fuckin idea
  
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  October 2, 2020 4:19pm
- Gravelroad
  
  So will they require existing staff to move out of their cosy offices in Wellington city and relocate in some dreary suburb?
  Or employ and programme a whole lot of extra ones to the required level of socialist indoctrination and make them go to a service hub in Naenae or Wainuiomata?
  Hope the broadband will be up to scratch.
  
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  October 2, 2020 4:25pm
- RJ
  
  That’s good, they are copying national again, something the previous national government were planning to do
  
  Also something Winston had wanted https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/02/government-has-no-advice-on-moving-state-services-to-regions.html
  
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  October 2, 2020 5:20pm
I remember when

Did anyone else note Joe Biden’s eyes in the Presidential Debate?
As I was typing the above question a possible answer went thru my mind.
Were his pupils dilated?
His eyes seemed to be totally black.
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October 2, 2020 4:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Horrors!!!!
Someone has been cloning our Politicians.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/10/nz-election-2020-winston-peters-thinks-some-mps-have-become-clone-members-who-are-indistinguishable.html
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October 2, 2020 4:24pm
Maggie Pie

Just heard HDPA breathlessly saying that Oz will be opening the borders into NSW so our rugby team can travel there without having to go into quarantine.

First thing i thort……B.F.D.
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October 2, 2020 4:43pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  As usual, Australia showing some initiative and our Government so paralysed with fear they’re afraid to do anything proactive. The only state with more recent community transmission than us is Victoria. Tasmania, ACT, NT, WA, and SA have all been without community transmission far longer than the 101 days Ardern has been crowing about to the world. And so because of this stupid over-conservative approach, anyone actually going to NSW or NT has to quarantine on the way back, making the whole thing pointless.
  
  What hacks me off most is the sheer hypocrisy from Ardern – all too willing to blag on about the travel bubble and get political mileage out of it, but unwilling to actually do anything about it, and clearly not wanting anyone using it. “I encourage New Zealanders to think about spending their dollars here locally.”
  
  Fuck off, it’s my money, I’ll spend it where and how I want.
  
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  October 2, 2020 5:30pm
  - Bell-47
    
    Looks to me like a very shrewd political move from SCOMO to show how open they are and how restrictive Cindy et-al are. It plays into the Nats hands perfectly.
    
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    October 2, 2020 6:11pm
Harriet

“………Kerry Woodham? “…..120 rental houses is too many.”…….”

Agreed!

The bank takes no pride.
The owner takes no pride.
The tenant takes no pride.

It is a passive investment that for the most part employs few people for the money involved and doesn’t seem to increase the quality of the national housing stock. Most rentals are largely ‘modernised’ when they are about to be sold, or lived in by the owner.

Taking the GST off building products like toilets, along with tampons, would be somewhat of an election winner imho; national productivity for a start. Then there’s tradies, apprentices……….interest rates are low….. RMA thing…….and overhaul the tax system in the 2nd year, super, rentals, business, income…. – just the big stuff. 😎

Edit: NZ already has a good welfare system so leave that to take care of itself while implementing a better tax system. Current retirees and other beneficiaries aren’t part of the central matter so leave them to the side.
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October 2, 2020 5:34pm
Dr p

Just heard first positive news about Trump on RNZ.
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October 2, 2020 5:59pm
Bell-47

How many people are now wishing POTUS dies of C-19? I bet the Democrats think all their Christmases have come at once not DJT and Melania have tested positive. Will wee see any outpouring of sympathy from the left? I highly doubt it. The cheering in the streets from the Antifa terrorists and the anti Trumpers will be on display for all to see. When he recovers, and he will, I hope he takes the lot of them to the nearest place of incarceration for a very long spell of reflection.
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October 2, 2020 6:09pm
- surfing
  
  Trump is rather obese, and elderly. He is in a high risk group. It is pretty deranged to assume he will recover when so many in his category have not.
  
  It would be ironic though, he did claim this virus was nothing to worry about at the beginning of the year. Very karmic indeed.
  
  Incidentally, I do hope he recovers.
  
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  October 2, 2020 6:14pm
- Inandout
  
  Bell, Trumpy is no doubt a pretty healthy individual and will fend off the bug like heaps of others have.
  
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  October 2, 2020 6:16pm
- fernglas
  
  Biden is undoubtedly a close contact and will be self isolating. Won’t that be great? No more pointless debates. Trump won’t die; Boris didn’t, Bolsonaro didn’t, and his survival will help demonstrate that the virus is not as bad as they are trying to make out. This should be great fun.
  
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  October 2, 2020 6:29pm
Hard Cheese

Dunce cap for Jacinda Ardern:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/10/nz-election-2020-jacinda-ardern-slams-paul-goldsmith-s-ridiculous-and-desperate-claim-of-10bn-gap-in-labour-s-financial-plan.html

Goldsmith, National’s finance spokesperson, has pointed out that Labour’s fiscal plan hasn’t included costings or funding for two expensive election promises, pumped hydro and light rail from Auckland CBD to the airport.

“Pumped hydro has estimates starting at $4 billion. Yet there is no mention of it in Labour’s pamphlet. Labour can’t have a policy targeting 100 per cent renewable electricity by 2030 without a clear plan to get there and how it will be paid for,” Goldsmith said.

“Labour’s also promising to reboot its failed light rail project, which has been estimated to cost at least $6 billion… This is at least $10 billion worth of projects that will have to be funded but Labour hasn’t included in its numbers.”

Ardern has rejected Goldsmith’s comments as “absolutely ridiculous and desperate”.

“I don’t think anyone actually thinks that is a logical argument that a project that hasn’t completed a business case even should be included in a plan.”

Apparently if you don’t have a business case for something, you don’t have to pay for it.
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October 2, 2020 6:12pm
- alex Masterley
  
  If the projects that dont have a business case aren’t included in the plan then St Jacinda of the Pestilence is basically saying the Lake Onslow project and Light rail wont happen. This despite they being part of the promises labour is making.
  Why the heck would you vote for this bunch of complete noddies.
  
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  October 2, 2020 8:07pm
Inandout

Who wants to take up bike riding?
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/5f7689a04eb99611d5efe424
At least the basement dwellers can display their wares.
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October 2, 2020 6:14pm
Stu2

Should have worn a mask, Donald
Shame you made them political
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October 2, 2020 6:23pm
gump

Trump has tested positive for Covid-19

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/02/us/politics/trump-positive-coronavirus.html
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October 2, 2020 6:25pm
RdM

More here, & 3000+ comments

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-adviser-hope-hicks-tests-positive-covid-19
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