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mikenmildagain

Many reasons to celebrate today. It is Global Handwashing Day, the International Day of Rural Women, and World Students’ Day.
So remind any rural girls you meet to wash their hands at school, I guess.
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October 15, 2020 8:01am
- Jimmy White
  
  Don’t forget the most important one of all. It’s National Cheese Curd Day.
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:55am
- Jack5
  
  Milky, you’re on the job early today. The day’s anniversary is your rat-a-tat-tat:
  
  https://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/w/whoisititsthemilkman.html
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:46am
Happychappy

NZ First financials presented to Winston Peters one year before scandal broke. The report dated 21st November 2018 (SIC) was written by former Party President Lester Gray. It is understood that it was hand delivered to Peters home mailbox in Auckland November 25th ahead of a meeting about the matter. The report referenced money in NZ First Party’s Kiwibank account as well as the Foundation’s ASB Account and totaled expenses incurred by the ASB Account and classed them as Party costs.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300127355/nz-first-foundation-financials-presented-to-winston-peters-one-year-before-scandal-broke
How can Winston and his bunch of cronies keep denying they didn’t know or weren’t involved in this blatant attempt to con the public and our Electoral Commission.
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October 15, 2020 8:01am
- Ruahine
  
  How can Winston and his bunch of cronies including Labour keep denying they didn’t know of this blatant attempt to con the public and our Electoral Commission.
  IMHO Labour knew of this all along and had decided to put the boot into Peters because of his not supporting their CGT, Ihumatao, etc.
  
  Good work to those tireless reporters at RNZ who seemedto magically have all the details at their fingertips.
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:47am
  - Happychappy
    
    You have to give all the kudos to Matt Shand and wit the help of Gyon Espiner they have uncovered the corruption that has plagued NZ First and their Foundation that Winston Peters has in his words been blinded by the accusations. Surely this is about to crucify those at the top of NZ First because these two Journalists have lanced the boil and some interesting puss has oozed out that might see many in NZ First on a josseekers benifit.
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:30am
    - Groggy
      
      All of NZ First will be looking for jobs come Sunday
      
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      October 15, 2020 3:51pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  See you later Winston. There’s no coming back from this, especially when you have completely misled the New Zealand public.
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:52am
  - john1234
    
    He’s been doing it for years but still managed to keep getting voted back in. However his prime voter catchment have now died off and the current crop still have strong memories of his lying and non-performance. Hence is long overdue, imminent and final political demise.
    
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    October 15, 2020 8:56am
  - SmokerGuy
    
    About time his dodgy behavior caught up with him. Some people say it will be sad to see the demise of a character in our parliament. I think it is great and well overdue. We should not accept people like Winston nd NZ First in our parliament. Good riddance!
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:25am
- fernglas
  
  When you read that and the Judge’s decision on the suppression appeal, it leaves you wondering why they bothered. Particularly, of course, if NZ First has been fully exonerated by the charging decision.
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:54am
- cmm
  
  Winston Peters was also getting the dole letters in his post box while he was, ahem, being overpaid by WINZ.
  
  If he can deny any knowledge of those letters he can deny any knowledge of the NZFF letter.
  
  Anyway it all looks like a National hit job… or something like that… and Winston’s going to sue. Not sure whom, but he’ll sue!
  
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  October 15, 2020 11:45am
- Batman
  
  It is an honour and a privilege to be the 69th upvote on happychappy’s post.
  
  Nice.
  
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  October 15, 2020 12:47pm
Sigmund Freud

Good morning Kiwibloggers.

Hows the kindness this morning?

Oh, Jacinda! I love you!
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October 15, 2020 8:02am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Jacinda saves!
  
  I love Jacinda because Jacinda loves me!
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:45am
  - Ruahine
    
    Don’t cry for me Aotearoa.
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:10am
    - alloytoo
      
      Are you suggesting it’s a “Shoe…” er “Boot” in?
      
      Would prefer a boot out.
      
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      October 15, 2020 10:34am
- Jimmy White
  
  Oh te Cindy you are so Wonderful.
  You work so hard. Did you know they say she has undertaken up to 1,000 selfies during this campaign and has spoken to 300 children about how wonderful she is.
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:00am
Chuck Bird

[Mods. Notice: Politicians’ family or personal information is not acceptable for posting on Kiwiblog. Warning from DPF: “he will lose auto approval if he posts anything similar again”.]
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October 15, 2020 8:04am
- cmm
  
  Why would they? Well there are $50M reasons why they would not.
  
  Why should they? Well last time this resulted in us getting Winstom as PM for 6 weeks or whatever it was.
  
  If that was part of the deal up front then perhaps people would have made a different call.
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:19am
- Gravelroad
  
  If that’s really the point of your question, what difference does it make who the baby’s father might be?
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:25am
- Gravelroad
  
  Male couples do have babies these days Raphael.
  Eg Tāmati Coffey MP.
  I guess you are saying that if a male political party leader has a baby, it won’t impact on his governance performance, but if a female political party leader does, it will?
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:41am
All_on_Red

The Biden Crime Family

‘Hunter Biden introduced his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm less than a year before the elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company, according to e-mails obtained by The Post.

The never-before-revealed meeting is mentioned in a message of appreciation that Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, allegedly sent Hunter Biden on April 17, 2015, about a year after Hunter joined the Burisma board at a reported salary of up to $50,000 a month.

“Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It’s realty [sic] an honor and pleasure,” the e-mail reads.

An earlier e-mail from May 2014 also shows Pozharskyi, reportedly Burisma’s No. 3 exec, asking Hunter for “advice on how you could use your influence” on the company’s behalf.

The blockbuster correspondence — which flies in the face of Joe Biden’s claim that he’s “never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings” — is contained in a massive trove of data recovered from a laptop computer – handed to Authorities by a Computer Repairman’
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/

No doubt some halfwit will be along to tell us CNN says there is nothing to see here.
Just;
$3.5 million from Putins friend
$1.5 Billion from China
His business partner Devon Archer going to be sentenced for Fraud
Hunters payments to Sex Traffickers for prostitutes.
Lol
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October 15, 2020 8:13am
- Simon
  
  Big tech censorship of Biden corruption
  
  That NY post story link cancelled on twitter and Face book.
  
  That link on kiwi blog though. You can still come to kiwi blog for the truth.
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:50am
  - Jimmy White
    
    I would have though it would have been David’s 7am blog
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:02am
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Welp, we all now know that the Democrats impeached President Donald Trump for something that the now verified corrupt former Vice-President Joe Biden actually did ?
    https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1316375525364035584
    
    Of course the world wide 1984 style “Ministry of Truth” is now doing its utmost best to memory hole this truly massive scandal ?
    
    This is a Big Tech information coup.
    This is digital civil war.
    https://twitter.com/SohrabAhmari/status/1316446749729398790
    
    Facebook is actively interfering in the election.
    Facebook is rigging the election for Joe Biden.
    https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1316398578995257344
    
    Even the mainstream media describes
    Facebook’s censorship of the New York Post as an “editorial” decision.
    So, Facebook can editorialize like a publisher, while retaining the legal privileges of a platform.
    https://twitter.com/LibertarianBlue/status/1316441991329259520
    
    Keep in mind, that this is only the beginning of the “October Surprises” that will be coming out during the next couple of weeks ??
    
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    October 15, 2020 10:10am
    - Critical Thinker
      
      Joe Biden’s corrupt crackhead son Hunter has just now responded publicly to this massive scandal:
      https://twitter.com/Beer_Parade/status/1316484670155100166
      ?
      
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      October 15, 2020 10:48am
      - Batman
        
        In other news, I am making a late tilt for the Presidency, having forged a US birth certificate and got a Melania style visa.
        
        This is more reliable than CT’s unfortunate belief in hard-right fairy tales.
        
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        October 15, 2020 10:52am
      - Jimmy White
        
        Mods: I Reported Batman by accident.
        Sorry Boy Wonder
        
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        October 15, 2020 1:18pm
      - Batman
        
        No Bat-cuffs for you today, sir.
        
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        October 15, 2020 1:33pm
    - FatTony
      
      Go back to Russia
      
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      October 15, 2020 10:57am
      - Ed Snack
        
        That the best you can do, jeepers man, that is so lame it needs three crutches to go with the fake splint and wheelchair.
        
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        October 15, 2020 11:33am
      - RJ
        
        Why.? Does mayors wife have more money to give away?
        
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        October 15, 2020 12:03pm
    - Critical Thinker
      
      “We had assurances that the People’s Republic of China money would come ﬁrst and we would build on that. Right now I don’t see that happening. If they want us in Beijing once a month and pitching this outside the People’s Republic of China we should be getting paid in advance just like every other team member that’s getting a salary.” – corrupt Hunter Biden
      https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/hunter-biden-emails-show-leveraging-connections-with-dad-to-boost-burisma-pay/
      
      Projection:
      Trump was impeached over Joe Biden’s crimes. And investigated for years over Hillary’s schemes ?
      
      Joe Biden is obviously running for the US President to gain immunity from prosecution ?
      
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      October 15, 2020 11:53am
  - virtualmark
    
    It was cancelled because their fact checkers determined it was false.
    
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    October 15, 2020 10:50am
    - Ed Snack
      
      No, they claim it was hacked or illegally obtained. Which standard of course they did NOT apply to the illegally obtained Trump tax information.
      
      Whereas these emails are not hacked or illegal. HB left a water damaged laptop with a computer service shop for recovery. The contract specified that if the device had not been reclaimed and the work paid for within 3 months of notification of the work requested being completed, then the device was forfeited to cover costs. So the repairer is now the legitimate owner of the device (a MacBook) and he can indeed do what he likes with the contents.
      
      Notable that the Biden campaign has (a) not denied the authenticity of the emails; and (b) has called a “lid” for the day to avoid further questions.
      
      Twitter and Facebook’s actions in censoring this information (and NOT anti-Trump stolen info) clearly places them as intervening politically on behalf of the democrats, and in illegible for section 230 protection as a platform only publisher.
      
      Run all the cover you like Libs, the Biden family corruption in the Ukraine (and elsewhere) is clearly established.
      
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      October 15, 2020 11:31am
      - virtualmark
        
        Ed, you must be like some kind of 8th level Operating Thetan of the Trump cult.
        
        The non-Murdoch non-tabloid media aren’t covering this story because they know it is Russian disinformation channeled via Giuliani in order to interfere with the US elections.
        
        And Biden’s campaign has come out against the story (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/14/biden-campaign-lashes-out-new-york-post-429486)
        
        And “Biden family corruption” will prove to be as false as all the other Trump accusations that Barr and others have tried to “prove”.
        
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        October 15, 2020 11:50am
      - Batman
        
        Virtual, they need this fantasy to distract from Trump’s Ukraine crimes just like they need the voter fraud fantasy to distract from Trump’s tiny penis syndrome over losing the popular vote.
        
        This hole story is even less credible than a Nicky Hager September special edition.
        
        https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-rudy-giuliani-and-rupert-murdochs-dubious-hunter-biden-october-surprise-reeks-of-desperation
        
        “Every major paper, every fact-checker, every everything outside of Trumpland agrees on two points: one, that Biden put pressure on the Ukrainian government to fire Shokin because Shokin was seen as corrupt by every international organization (the IMF, for example), which wanted him out, and Obama deployed Biden to convey that message; two, that as far as is known, Shokin wasn’t even investigating Burisma at the time in question (2015). You can read this, or dozens of other sources.”
        
        “So the whole idea that Biden did something corrupt with respect to Shokin is a desperate ploy from Trumpworld to be able to argue that Biden is the real bad actor. Why are they doing this? Let’s just take a second to remember what Trump said to Volodymyr Zelensky in that perfect phone call: “The other thing. There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.”
        
        That, of course, is illegal. He got impeached over it, and if we had an honest Senate, he’d have been removed from office.”
        
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        October 15, 2020 12:53pm
      - Raphael
        
        yes, twitter has locked Kayleigh McEnany, the White House Press secretary, out of her account because they say talking about the emails is distributing hacked material.
        
        https://www.facebook.com/thehodgetwins/photos/a.273318736082595/3472150416199395/?type=3&theater
        
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        October 15, 2020 1:16pm
- JibberJabber
  
  C’mon Man…← Look ? over there → nothing to see here …
  
  https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1316465614823862274
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:04am
- FatTony
  
  I saw Hunter Biden with the Devil!
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:16am
  - alloytoo
    
    Well if you travel in those circles….
    
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    October 15, 2020 10:36am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I doubt that. Even the Devil has standards.
    
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    October 15, 2020 10:59am
  - RJ
    
    That’s nice, was Hillary advising him or was he just visiting her?
    
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    October 15, 2020 12:04pm
    - Jimmy White
      
      He was asking her for advice.
      
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      October 15, 2020 1:22pm
- virtualmark
  
  That NY Post story is so full of holes only the most desperate, feverish or gullible would believe it.
  
  Who’s the computer store owner?
  What computer store is it?
  A computer is “left behind”?
  They don’t know who owns it, but still write an invoice to Hunter Biden?
  Apparently it has emails on it, although they are from a company we know was hacked by Russian intelligence (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/us/politics/russian-hackers-burisma-ukraine.html).
  How does the computer store owner know Rudy Giuliani?
  Yes the Rudy Giuliani who’s been conspiring with known Russian agents for months, including Russians recently sanctioned for meddling in the 2020 US elections.
  How come the journalist has only seen images of the emails, without metadata, rather than the emails themselves?
  How come no one else seems to be able to attest to the authenticity of the emails, or their background?
  How come the lead reporter is Hannity’s segment producer/booker?
  How come she’s only written 3 stories for the NY Post, all of them today?
  
  Maybe this plan sounded better in the original Russian, but once translated into English it’s got several flashing lights and a siren telling you that it’s an intelligence operation not a piece of journalism. But hey, every piece of Russian deza needs useful idiots and fellow travellers, and you guys seem to have fallen for it.
  
  “All on Red” is just truth in advertising really.
  
  Doz vedanya
  
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  October 15, 2020 10:17am
  - virtualmark
    
    Got to say though … Hunter Biden sure is living rent-free in Republican heads.
    
    Did you know that from 2013 to 2019 he chaired the World Food Program USA? The US leg of the charity that just won the Nobel Peace Prize?
    
    You just know that that’s hurting Donnie’s ego.
    
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    October 15, 2020 10:23am
    - Critical Thinker
      
      Now why exactly would the World Food Program USA have Hunter Biden as a Chairman? ?
      
      It was the World Food Program not the “World Food Program USA” that won the Nobel Peace Prize.
      
      Republican & former Governor David Beasley is the Chief of the WFP & is a staunch Trump supporter.
      He was appointed by President Trump.
      With Ivanka Trump helping to make the USA the largest donor to the WFP.
      https://www.devex.com/news/un-selects-david-beasley-trump-supporter-and-former-us-politician-to-lead-wfp-89950
      
      President Donald Trump now has four nominations for the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize ??
      https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/10/11/trump-picks-up-yet-another-nobel-peace-prize-nomination-crushing-the-liberal-medias-narrative-983207
      
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      October 15, 2020 11:06am
  - virtualmark
    
    I see the owner of the computer repair store has now been identified as John Paul Isaac and some (non-NY Post) journalists have interviewed him. There are audio clips from the interview on the internet.
    
    (a) He sounds scared, and says he’s worried about his and his family’s lives.
    (b) He doesn’t sound mentally stable.
    
    After listening to a bit of what he said I feel sorry for him. He seems like he knows he’s a patsy being used by powerful and ruthless people.
    
    If I were him I wouldn’t drink any cups of tea for a while.
    
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    October 15, 2020 1:41pm
- virtualmark
  
  The Trump cult just can’t catch a break right now eh?
  
  Benghazi was a dud.
  The Huber probe found nothing.
  The Horowitz probe found no bias.
  Trump’s voter fraud commission disbanded.
  The Durham probe is a dud.
  Now Barr’s “unmasking” probe has just closed after finding no wrongdoing.
  And the NYPost story is so unsubtle it’s only going to be believable by the naive.
  
  But when a GOP-led Senate committee publishes a 1,000-page report finding massive Trump collusion with Russia you Trumpanzees say “Fake news”.
  
  Just like you do when Trump’s very credibly accused of tax fraud, campaign finance crimes, bribery, rape and more.
  
  It takes cultish fanaticism to take this amount of lying and misdirection from Trump and the GOP and still keep swallowing the Kool-Aid down.
  
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  October 15, 2020 10:20am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Sadly, Trump was speaking the truth, for once, when he said that: “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters.”
    It’s a cult. If Trump stood up and publicly admitted all his crimes, his followers would claim he had been assassinated by Hilary Clinton and replaced with a body double.
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:28am
    - FatTony
      
      That’s the funny thing – Trump is in on the joke.
      
      He said it himself, he knows he’s got his base of morons so brainwashed that they believe literally anything he says.
      
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      October 15, 2020 11:51am
    - virtualmark
      
      And that Hilary was blackmailing Obama to go along with Trump’s murder.
      
      And that she’d had Seal Team Six killed to cover it all up.
      
      Oh, and the Iranians would have to be involved too. Somewhere. Doesn’t really matter where. Just as long as there’s something about the Iranians and a plane load of cash.
      
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      October 15, 2020 12:02pm
      - FatTony
        
        I saw that this morning, Trump is spreading a conspiracy theory now that Hillary had Seal Team Six murdered ?
        
        And now one of the guys who was in Seal Team Six (and is a big Trump fan-boy) had to come out and say, “ahh actually no Mr President, we’re all still alive”.
        
        Hilarious
        
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        October 15, 2020 12:25pm
      - Batman
        
        I thought it was that Biden had them kill a body double as Bin Laden was taken alive and moved to Pakistan so that Obama could have a trophy kill?
        
        Honestly, only the type of idiots like Don Jr, who go on trophy hunts, would or could come up with a nonsense like that.
        
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        October 15, 2020 12:34pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Just keep posting, somewhere, someone just has to fall for your lies ! I mean, three in a row full of the same BS ?
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:35am
    - virtualmark
      
      You’re sounding shrill Ed.
      
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      October 15, 2020 11:53am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Funnily enough – he has a point. There are pretty much two diametrically opposed views:
        (1) Trump is a very stable genius. He is fighting the deep state while making America great again. the traitors opposed to him – Clinton, Obama, Comey, Biden, etc – will soon be brought to justice.
        (2) Trump is a corrupt moron. His presidency is supported by America’s enemies. He and his spawn will soon be brought to justice for their array of crimes.
        
        There isn’t really any middle ground between (1) and (2), which is possibly just the inevitable manifestation of the steadily more extremem polaristion of US politics since the early 1990s. No one is really arguing that they should all be locked up. Also, no one is claiming they are all noble heroes.
        
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        October 15, 2020 12:25pm
    - Batman
      
      Ed, have you run out of actual ‘evidence’ so now you’re down to “you’ll get yours, lying liar!”
      
      Sad!
      
      The end of the road is coming for you guys. Buckle up!
      
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      October 15, 2020 1:00pm
- Fletch
  
  I see Trump is holding a rally right now and is torching Biden with the story. Meanwhile, Biden has “put a lid on” his morning press conference. I guess he doesn’t want to answer any questions about it.
  
  https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/10/14/did-something-happen-joe-biden-calls-an-early-lid-for-the-day-sends-reporters-home/
  
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  October 15, 2020 1:21pm
- herb1
  
  Funny how the typical TDS sufferers only comeback is to mock the story.
  Pity they can’t understand the significance of the ” Biden Campaign” being quoted on Politico (very left wing for those TDS victims) as saying “they would not rule out the possibility that Biden has some kind of informal interaction with Pozharskyi , which wouldn’t have appeared on Bidens official official schedule , but any encounter would have been cursory.”
  
  Any but the worst suffered of TDS would understand the significance of that quote , but no doubt some will disappoint me .
  Im sure there’ll be the “Politico are Trump supporters and they’re lying about the Biden campaign comments.
  
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  October 15, 2020 3:45pm
Inandout

I had to smile when Judith said that speaking to some of the media was akin to dealing with someone from the PM’s office. She has an uphill battle from some of these media-marxists, still in nappies and full of uni fluff.
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October 15, 2020 8:15am
- igm
  
  They sure are earning the misappropriated taxpayers’ money in the guise of free journalistic support.
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:53am
burt

Isn’t it funny how in this reporting it’s always about Winston as leader on NZ First rather than about Winston as deputy prime minister.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300127355/nz-first-foundation-financials-presented-to-winston-peters-one-year-before-scandal-broke

Wake up stuff, this is our deputy PM involved in a corruption scandal.
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October 15, 2020 8:22am
- Swifty
  
  Thanks burt.
  
  KB readers should take note that information presented in that article directly contradict Peters’ assurances that 1. the NZ First Foundation was run along National Foundation lines (it wasn’t), 2. that it was separate from the Party and (it wasn’t) 3. that he had no knowledge of it’s workings (he did).
  
  I see yesterday Peters saying, after doing his best to deny and suppress the matter until after the election he now “wants New Zealanders to know the truth…”
  
  And, to burt’s comment, if this was English instead of Ardern the news media would be going full bore on him.
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:39am
  - artemisia
    
    Be kind, people have senior moments time to time.
    
    They are not usually Deputy Prime Minister or US Presidential candidates though.
    
    Oh wait …
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:21am
- peterwn
  
  Think $50M. Media buying with taxpayers money.
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:39am
  - RJ
    
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    Strange, I don’t recall anyone here claiming John Key brought the media when he did basically the same thing. Most of this money went to tv and radio to help with their transmission fees, actually, it wasn’t even money, it is was writing off six months of fees, transmission and nz on air fees.
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:00am
    - burt
      
      Right, so it’s OK for Labour to do it because the PM who you said was corrupt was doing it?
      
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      October 15, 2020 9:19am
      - RJ
        
        Yes it is ok for any pm to give a break to the huge broadcasting fees these business pay in financial troubled tines to keep them running and keep as many people possible in their jobs. But you hypocrites only bitch because lsbour have done it, you didn’t birch when key helped them
        
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        October 15, 2020 12:10pm
      - burt
        
        RJ
        
        By the time my kids were about 5 or 6 they already knew when I caught them doing something I’d told them not to that pointing at each other shouting “they did it too” didn’t make any difference to how I viewed what they had done.
        
        It’s a pity you never learnt that lesson yourself.
        
        Do you think it’s your parents fault for not teaching you two wrongs don’t make a right or are you just a hopeless apologist for corruption?
        
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        October 15, 2020 1:03pm
    - crikey
      
      “…actually, it wasn’t even money, it is was writing off six months of fees, transmission and nz on air fees.”
      
      Of course that is money. Stop deflecting.
      
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      October 15, 2020 9:19am
    - Swifty
      
      “…it wasn’t even money…”
      
      Good grief.
      
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      October 15, 2020 9:20am
    - nathie
      
      Fair points RJ …. however put another way, $$$ saved (by MSM companies) on paying transmission fees and the like, can be re-purposed within their organisation.
      
      Which could mean improved resources/opportunities/funding etc, for journos (as an example).
      
      Which could mean, journos bow to their Labour “overlords” (or in practice, cut them some slack, or should that be “a lot” of slack as we have seen this year).
      
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      October 15, 2020 9:30am
      - RJ
        
        Problem is the huge drop in advertising during the lockdown meant there wasn’t the money there to re-purposed
        
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        October 15, 2020 12:13pm
    - peterwn
      
      What was the value of this. Most probably far less than $50M. And it was not a drip-feed of discretionary handouts.
      
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      October 15, 2020 12:12pm
      - marcw
        
        The National concessions were deferrals, not payouts. The broadcasting fees still had to be paid, but were agreed to be deferred as the companies were having huge financial pressures due to the effects of GFC. Labour concession was a ~~bribe~~ handout.
        
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        October 15, 2020 12:23pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Does any one pay for the NZ Herald. There is a poll on who should be NZ deputy PM but it’s pay walled.
  
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  October 15, 2020 10:48am
  - zulumonster
    
    I don’t – but there is an interesting article (free) regarding Ardern’s shabby halo.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2020-shabby-fraudulent-aussie-columnists-swipe-at-ardern-ahead-of-election/LCQMA6LQGXRPR5CFAEJCOVNQBQ/
    
    And I wonder where the Aussie journalist got their detail about undelivered promises?
    
    “Before Covid-19, Ardern was trailing in the polls. Her list of undelivered election promises is staggering: 100,000 affordable homes promised, 600 built; homelessness to be eradicated, it increased; zero carbon emissions by 2050, emissions went up; reduce child poverty, it went up; regional public service emphasis, more public servants based in Wellington than before; light rail from Auckland airport to CBD, abandoned. But then came the virus and she could do her high priestess of the woke religion stuff, day after day.”
    
    A good read – but depressing because it comes from Australia not our esteemed 4th estate …
    
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    October 15, 2020 12:53pm
Natfan08

My prediction for the TVNZ poll tonight:

Labour 44%
National 35%
ACT 10%
Greens 4.9%
NZ First 2%
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October 15, 2020 8:24am
- Maxx
  
  Funny. That is what I am hoping is the outcome of the election. Maybe an extra point for Act
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:02am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Dream on bro. Look at the actual numbers given by my leaker.
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:04am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Unfortunately I think Nats will be low 30’s…more like 31%
  
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  October 15, 2020 10:53am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Bobba – You are now understanding Sir Cullen’s powers.
    
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    October 15, 2020 12:15pm
- peterwn
  
  There are poll predictions and rumours flying all over the place with a view of changing voters’ last minute predictions.
  
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  October 15, 2020 12:14pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Bros – leaked ONN-CB poll results due today.

Labour – 48%, National – 31%, ACT – 6%, Greens – 8%, NZ First – 3%, Rest – 4%

Game over bar Megan Woods singing.
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October 15, 2020 8:24am
- Sigmund Freud
  
  CSC you should know better than that!
  
  Utterly meaningless jumble of numbers without the ‘undecideds’ included.
  
  Jeez, lies, damn lies etc
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:50am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Undecideds have dropped to 5% in today’s poll. See my wriiten script for Jessica Mutch later in the post.
    
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    October 15, 2020 12:16pm
- Inandout
  
  SCS, I don’t think you have a mole in the Electoral Commission counting house.
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:01am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    No I don’t have. But I have a mole in every news organisation. That is how I got the latest figures due out today evening. Game over for National for sure. Even the National pollster called it for Labour.g
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:39am
    - RJ
      
      Go see a dr, get your moles removed because they haven’t been right yet
      
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      October 15, 2020 12:15pm
  - lifesgood
    
    He doesn’t. He stirs for fun…fomenting happy mischief. I’ve come to enjoy his nonsense.
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:59am
    - Batman
      
      I don’t know why he gets so downticked. Hurt feelings maybe?
      
      SCS has been around for 12+ years and has had the same amusing schtick the whole time.
      
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      October 15, 2020 1:03pm
- artemisia
  
  Megan Woods? It’s the system’s fault.
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:24am
- Biscuit
  
  SCS, I have ‘saved’ your quote and will, doubtless, have plenty of ammo to say ‘Oh well done, NOT’ this time tomorrow.
  
  My call – made on my own and without attempting to claim some insider knowledge – would be Labour 46, National 32, ACT 9, Greens 4, Winston First 2 with 7 in the undecided/irrelevant column.
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:32am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    We are not that far sweet biscuit. My point is NAT+ACT won’t overtake Labour in today’s poll as well as on Saturday’s result.
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:00am
    - Biscuit
      
      My figures would produce the same result, SCS…
      
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      October 15, 2020 1:18pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Labour 46%; National 31%; ACT 8%; Greens 8%; NZ First 3% – Actual numbers from the poll.
  
  I got 3 right out of 5. Not bad. All over for National. There is no way they will win on Saturday night. I feel lot of undecided voters will now vote Labour to give them full majority to avoid talking to the Greens.
  
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  October 15, 2020 6:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Have just been reading “Crossing the Lines” – The story of 3 homosexual NZ soldiers in WW2 .

At the end of the book there’s some pages giving basic enlistment details on a number of folk mentioned in the book……. for those whose height and weight are given, none of them were over 11stone 2lb.
We seem to have sent a lot of small, lean men off to war.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018764908/crossing-the-lines-gay-kiwi-soldiers-in-world-war-ii
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October 15, 2020 8:25am
- cmm
  
  That’s 71 kg in the new money.
  Geez if I weighed that I’d have a BMI of 18 or so.
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:33am
  - Raphael
    
    that’s within about 4-5kg of where I need to be (yes, I need to loose about 25kg)
    
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    October 15, 2020 8:42am
- theoldbloke
  
  Common weights in 50s and 60s. Yep I was around then. Obesity really only started in the mid to late 70s with gummints spreading the bs healthy diet.
  
  Another good reason to keep gummint out of peoples lives!!
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:54am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I had a youngish family member who went to live in Sydney in the 1960’s.
    When he left he was of average weight.
    When he got off the plane after five or so years away, he was twice the size.
    What happened?
    He had found readily available, cheap fast food – the like of which had not thus far found its way to our small town – you know the stuff- burgers, fried chicken and pizzas.
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:21am
    - MCos
      
      When I first went to Bangkok the only junk food was Pizza Hut & the kids were all normal size. Over the years as more and more American fast food outlets popped up and prepared jars & sachets of ingredients for cooking arrived in the supermarkets the kids got steadily fatter.
      Up country where the rural people still tend to prepare food from first principles the kids are noticeably thinner.
      Sugar is a problem over there. A lot of the food is very sweet.
      Nothing to do with the government.
      
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      October 15, 2020 9:37am
      - Tall Man
        
        My first trip to Thailand was 1979.
        
        Like you I have seen the growth of fast food and the ensuing growth of the children.
        
        My son tutored the children of a very wealthy family in Asia. The two boys were so fat the parents installed an elevator to get them up and down in the 3 story house.
        
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        October 15, 2020 11:24am
      - cmm
        
        ” Nothing to do with the government.”
        
        Subsidised agriculture maybe?
        
        Why do you think all the crap food (and quite a lot of other food) is so “cheap”? It is because it is subsidised by global taxpayers.
        
        When we eat Canadian bacon in NZ we should realise that the only reason it is cheap in our supermarkets is because the US government is subsidising its corn and soy farmers (to make the feed) and the Canadian government is subsidising its pork farmers.
        
        You pay $4.99 and the US and Canadian tax payers are paying $2.
        
        All that sweet stuff is cheap because of HFCS made from subsides US corn or the Indian government’s subsidy of sugar cane exports.
        
        Those lollies are cheap because some poor Indian peasant is paying his taxes.
        
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        October 15, 2020 12:10pm
      - cmm
        
        A few numbers on sugar.
        
        You pay $2 or so a kg in the sops.
        International commodity price is approx 14USc a pound aka 45NZc per kg.
        Of that, cane farmers probably get 10 cents or so.
        But cane farmers in India then get another 20NZc in subsidies.
        This drives a huge sugar glut that makes it cheaper than chips.
        
        But wait there’s more: HFCS subsidies in USA and elsewhere (something like USD20 billion in the USA alone – over USD2 per kg produced in USA) drive up HFCS production which feeds into an overlapping market.
        
        No wonder sugar is so damn cheap internationally and ends up in so many places.
        
        No wonder the average Yank consumed over 30kG of HFCS and sugar a year (that’s an extra Macca’s worth of calories per day in sugar).
        
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        October 15, 2020 1:00pm
  - oldfella
    
    theoldbloke: I was around too, back then. Find some school or class photos from that era and you’ll see a bunch of mostly slim kids, with maybe one ‘fatty’ – at most – in each class.
    Back then we ate our mum’s home cooked meals, meat and often home-grown veggies, and although we ate plenty of home-baked puddings, there was no junk food with its enormous sugar content and trans-fats.
    And we spent most of our free time playing outside…
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:23am
    - Harriet
      
      Look at their teeth in the photos also – brilliant white.
      
      Here’s a good example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXIjE_gDw94
      
      35sec in and you see their teeth and then their body size.
      Albeit I think a lot of them were from Texas from memory. 😎
      
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      October 15, 2020 4:38pm
  - Batman
    
    Oldbloke, the real cause was actually that household incomes went way yo and food became much more affordable and plentiful, along with new kinds of delicious and very unhealthy options!
    
    Nothing to do with government healthy eating advice.
    
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    October 15, 2020 1:06pm
- rouppe
  
  I was 11st in my 20’s.
  
  Wasn’t until 30+ that I hit 80kg, 40+ 90kg, 50+ 100kg.
  
  However I am stronger now at 58 than at any time. But I could do losing 10 kg
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:59am
  - fernglas
    
    That reminds of the guy who wrote to an agony aunt “When I was in my teens, I couldn’t bend my erections. Now that I am in my 60’s they bend easily. Have I grown stronger?”
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:10am
    - Swifty
      
      Hahahaha!
      
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      October 15, 2020 9:35am
- MCos
  
  I was looking at bios of some distant relatives who went off to WWI.
  One who died was 5’-7 and 61kg. His brother was 5’-6 and a beefy 64kg. He was a potato farmer and when he was called up requested a deferment until he could harvest his spuds. He survived and lived to 75.
  My father went off to WWII. For most of those blokes it was the equivalent of our generations OE. That’s what Dad told me. An adventure.
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:24am
  - Swifty
    
    Blessed are the spud farmers.
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:41am
    - Harriet
      
      I actually grew spuds for sale for a couple of years when I was a teenager – I made good money. I got the idea off other guys at school doing the same thing.
      You can’t these days – everyone builds a house on an empty section now.
      
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      October 15, 2020 4:43pm
      - Swifty
        
        Good for you.
        
        The kids and I sold our new season’s potatoes at local markets for two years.
        
        Ya can’t beat the taste of a new spud.
        
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        October 15, 2020 5:29pm
  - cmm
    
    ” For most of those blokes it was the equivalent of our generations OE.”
    
    That was especially true in WW1. Very few people had the means to travel overseas and, for most, their biggest worry was that it would all be over – and the troop ships turned back – before they could get there.
    
    Of course once they got there and reality sank in it was a different matter.
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:57am
- Biscuit
  
  Indeed, Maggie.
  
  I used to work (this was in the 70s) with a post-war ex-All Black prop who tipped the scales at 96kg in his playing days.
  
  I doubt you’d find too many All Blacks BACKS these days any lighter than that!
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:35am
  - oldfella
    
    Biscuit: remember Terry Wright back in the day? All Black winger who was actually 6ft tall, but only weighed 75kg. Fast, but at least 20kg too light for today’s game.
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:17am
- cas
  
  My dad was 10 stone 10 and 6 foot when he left and when he came back after 4 years the report of the war Board said he had been emaciated over there!!
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:35am
lastmanstanding

I find it concerning but also amusing that the governance and management of the United Nations is a conservative free zone. For some decades we have seen the communist and socialist countries stacking the place.
The result is the ever increasing move to World Government by the Left driving out conservatives and with an agenda to dispense with borders private property rights free speech and freedom of thought.

Alas even the governments and political parties who say they are conservative in NZ have gone along with this erosion of individual rights and responsibilities.
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October 15, 2020 8:27am
JibberJabber

? Go Joe!?https://twitter.com/KAGWAR2020/status/1316459012766928896
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October 15, 2020 8:29am
- nathie
  
  Hahaha brilliant!
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:34am
- Saks
  
  Another mask under the nose…
  
  Idiots everywhere.
  
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  October 15, 2020 10:57am
Centrist

John R Reid has passed away aged 92. He was a great NZer.
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October 15, 2020 8:30am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Back in the day, Reid hit 15 sixes in a first class innings of 296 for Wellington against Northern Districts at the Basin Reserve. He was an immensely powerful striker of the ball, a canny bowler, and a superb fieldsman. He would have been an absolute superstar had he got the opportunity to play ODI’s or T20.
  
  As an aside, one of the Northern Districts bowlers taken to the sword in Wellington was one Donald Barry Clarke, better known for his exploits as an All Black fullback. That was back in the days when sportsman could play two sports at the elite level, because the seasons did not overlap as they do today.
  
  J. R. Reid was an absolute legend of his era. My sincere condolences to his family, and his many cricketing friends.
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:32am
  - MCos
    
    He once score a century in a test and the entire innings total was ~150. It’s the second highest proportion of runs by one batter in a completed test innings.
    Unfortunately John Reid was in the team that scored 26 back in 1955. Maybe the humiliation finally got to him! He made 73 in the 1st innings.
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:55am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Of course, the humiliation of 1955’s 26 was followed by New Zealand’s first test match win against the West Indies at the same venue in 1956. J. R. Reid captained the side to a win against a very strong Windies side which included the likes of Sobers, Weekes, Ramadhin and Valentine.
      
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      October 15, 2020 10:00am
      - oldfella
        
        TS: The NZ team included wicketkeeper Sam Guillan, who’d previously played test cricket for the West Indies before moving here and settling in ChCh.
        And FWIW, I’m really enjoying this little cricket nostalgia session. It’s so nice to think about something other than politicians and elections… 😉
        
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        October 15, 2020 11:38am
  - oldfella
    
    TS: I saw that innings of 296. Stunning cricketer and a lovely bloke by all accounts.
    He was also a terrific rugby player in his youth, and had to choose between the two codes. Cricket won.
    And as well as batting, he was a very handy medium pace bowler, but I think he had to give that away because of a knee injury – similar problem Martin Crowe had.
    JRR, your place in NZ’s Sporting Hall of Fame is secure.
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:29am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      There is a nice tribute board to him at the Hutt Recreation Ground.
      
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      October 15, 2020 2:44pm
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I have a serious question which came up over dinner last night and I’d like to to put it out for wider discussion. I hope it gets through moderation here because it’s actually very important.

Question: Given the almost total lack of a political opposition in NZ, in the event of a Wealth Tax (or Asset Tax or whatever) being introduced by a future government, would a selectively targeted bombing and assassination campaign of key politicians be the only effective response to fight the state’s theft of citizens’ assets?

Please uptick for yes and downtick for no. Comments will be appreciated. Cheers.
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October 15, 2020 8:34am
- RJ
  
  Mod, how is suggesting the murder of politicians acceptable by the rules?
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:08am
  - Swifty
    
    FFS RJ – he isn’t advocating it; he’s just asking for people’s views, should they care to share them.
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:33am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      He said it was an important and serious question. It is not. It is entirely reprehensible that anybody should think there might even be any debate on this point.
      
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      October 15, 2020 11:05am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Gee Albert_Ross, we seem to be in agreement these days.
        
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        October 15, 2020 11:16am
    - RJ
      
      Bullshit, there is no debate in murdering a politican because you don’t support their policy.
      
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      October 15, 2020 11:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Why don’t you espouse your terrorists’ views on your blog?
  
  Kiwiblog doesn’t need a bunch of folks on here advocating violence against our elected representatives.
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:10am
  - Sideoiler
    
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    Who died and made you blog monitor?
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:15am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’m not a blog monitor, but I’ve been on this blog long enough to see how others use comments on here to vilify DPF and other KB posters.
      
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      October 15, 2020 11:04am
  - RJ
    
    Sad to see you getting down ticked, obviously there are scum on this blog who support murder.
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:19am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Thank for your comment Maggy. I’m not espousing anything and I don’t actually have a blog.
    
    I’m simply asking a question that came up in a discussion and I think it’s important to see how other people view it.
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:21am
  - Biscuit
    
    Agreed, Maggy.
    
    Violence this week should only be advocated against Auckland-based All Blacks who drop the ball over the line when about to score Test-clinching tries!
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:37am
- Dave Mann
  
  OK, I think we’ve seen a pretty clear viewpoint expressed in the ticks. I deliberately didn’t give the context so as not to sway the vote. As I said, I’m not pushing either way.
  
  Over dinner we were discussing the government’s recent gun confiscation and a strong claim was made by some wokesters there along the lines of “We will now be safer because otherwise there is the threat of right wing militia groups taking the law into their own hands”.
  
  Currently ticking is 5-to-1 against, so I think we can confidently rest assured that there is no risk of us descending into mayhem!
  
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  October 15, 2020 10:46am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I don’t think you have proved what you set out to demonstrate.
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:33am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Believe it or not Mike, I wasn’t trying to ‘demonstrate’ anything. I was just trying to get a feel for people’s thoughts on this admittedy unscientific straw poll.
      
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      October 15, 2020 1:02pm
- Sideoiler
  
  Question: Given the almost total lack of a political opposition in NZ, in the event of a Wealth Tax (or Asset Tax or whatever) being introduced by a future government, would a selectively targeted bombing and assassination campaign of key politicians be the only effective response to fight the state’s theft of citizens’ assets?
  
  An excellent question Dave Mann, and one I have recently had cause to give some thought to.
  
  Unfortunately the citizens of this country have not been served by an effective opposition in the parliament for the last twenty odd years.
  We have had a succession of socialist governments, both blue and red who have slowly but surely stripped the citizens of their rights, and they have done so unfettered by any constitutional limitations.
  
  The public are now conditioned to dependence on the state, and look to the government to put right and compensate for any misfortune that befalls them.
  I am fairly sure that the imposition of a wealth tax is not going to be the occurrence that lights the fuse, it is more likely to be hate speech laws or a piece of treaty legislation that starts the campaign.
  
  Successive governments operate on the premise that the population is here to serve them rather than the reverse and sooner or later the population must tire of it.
  
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  October 15, 2020 11:43am
Maggie Pie

The ‘Obesity Epidemic’ was a hot topic of conversation yesterday. My partner wondered how many Stomach Stapling Operations they could have got with $3 billion.
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October 15, 2020 8:47am
- tf78
  
  Maggie, mouth stapling would be cheaper.
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Appears it was about $30,000 for the full works a couple of years ago..
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/former-adviser-to-maori-king-rangi-whakaruru-gets-home-detention/PERD7AL3QXOVBKH3NFZQWCDJBI/
  
  So you could get 100,000 ops.
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:55am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Thats pretty funny. The surgery costs $23,000.
  
  So the answer is 130,400 surgeries! (Assuming we could get enough surgeons to do it.)
  
  But think about how many billions have been flushed down the toilet in the last 3 years. Stopping obesity in 130,000 people looks like good value compared to the utter crap the Government spends money on.
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:57am
  - Dr p
    
    Free stomach stapling for all required would be good money spent – reduces waste.
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:43am
- Tony Stuart
  
  My wife’s gastric surgery cost $24k, funded by us and Southern Cross. It was the best money we have ever spent, and quite literally transformed her life.
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:00am
  - oldfella
    
    TS: Great to hear about your wife’s success. As I understand it, gastric surgery alone isn’t enough. It also requires the patient to adopts a sensible, ongoing eating regime.
    I seem to recall after David Lange had his stomach op and lost a bunch of weight, he kept overeating and put a lot of the lost weight on again. And apparently that’s not uncommon.
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:45am
- cmm
  
  At $25k each that’s 40 per $1M so 120,000 people. I’m sure you’d get a discount on a group booking and if you paid cash.
  
  $3Bn would be enough to staple every Fat Bastard (BMI over 40) in the country.
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:00am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Only if it was private. Double the cost if a DHB did the operation. Remember for each doctor there is 15 pen pushers to pay.
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:10am
    - Groggy
      
      And who setup that system??? – with CHE’s as well to add another dozen do nothing managers. Bill’s worst piece of work.
      
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      October 15, 2020 4:09pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  27,272 if you are the maori kings right hand man and stealing the money . . . .
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:01am
- Paulus
  
  Until caught you could get a “free” stomach stapling if you were in in Tainui !
  
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  October 15, 2020 3:12pm
Deagle

We live in an island nation in the corner of the Pacific. And today I’ve learned that we need to import our deep sea fishermen. I thought our ‘native’ population were supposed to be competent seafarers, oh well.
Who owns Sealord anyway?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/123082031/russians-jet-in-to-save-new-zealands-beleaguered-deepsea-fishing-industry
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October 15, 2020 8:52am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  They’re too fat to get off their Northland couches?
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:00am
  - Deagle
    
    I can’t blame them when they are chained by welfare state and an institutionalised victim mentality.
    
    If I were subject to the same treatment, I couldn’t promise that I wouldn’t end up the same way.
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:23am
  - Jack5
    
    One of the claimed benefits of the Treaty settlements’ allocation of fishing quota was that it would provide jobs for young Maori.
    
    Far cheaper of course to charter Asian ships with their cheap-wage crews.
    
    Where were the recruitment drives, the training courses, to bring young New Zealanders into the fishing industry?
    
    Who are the lazy, tired people? The youngsters who aren’t recruited into the lifestyle, or the leaders who can easily tap low-wage foreigners?
    
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    October 15, 2020 1:53pm
- RJ
  
  Feel free to force people to go sign up for deep sea fishing. Perhaps you can also complain about all the foreigners in our health system who do a bloody good job, education system, police. Hell we employ a lot of foreigners in New Zealand, if not for them we as a country would be fucked.
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:04am
  - cmm
    
    The difference is that theirs no mythology about a bloke called Maui who was an electrical engineer or an orthopedic surgeon.
    
    Baiting hooks and hauling nets doesn’t require a degree – it is something that just about anyone can do.
    
    Half the reason we (as a country) ceded so much of the fisheries to Maori was to help bolster Maori employment etc. Funny how they end up hiring foreigners instead.
    
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    October 15, 2020 9:41am
    - cmm
      
      theirs??? FFS. I blame drugs.
      Beta blockers are spelling blockers too,
      
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      October 15, 2020 12:12pm
  - Jack5
    
    RJ posts:“We employ a lot of foreigners in New Zealand, if not for them we as a country would be fucked.
    
    Given our slide down the scale of nations’ GDP per capita because of our soaring population growth, we’re fucked because of them.
    
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    October 15, 2020 1:57pm
  - Deagle
    
    I didn’t say that the foreigners working here aren’t doing a great job.
    
    What I am pointing out is that it is indicative of a sorry state of affairs that our core industries cannot function without importing foreign labour.
    
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    October 16, 2020 8:35am
- Scooter
  
  The article made me wonder if the fish stocks have recovered to some extent. An upside to Covid lockdown?
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:04pm
Simon

Early voting looking very good for Trump. Much better than 2016.

The polls will have to “tightened”. People only remember the polls just prior to Election Day not 3 weeks out.

On election eve 538 will give Trump a 30% chance knowing full well Biden is finished.

Remember the polling one month out as Trump cruises to victory
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October 15, 2020 8:57am
- covfefe
  
  How could anyone with a sense of humour and a heart not love DJT’s wee dance at the Florida rally and telling the audience he could give them all a big smoochy kiss. Hilarious. The dems in comparison are dull, hypocritical, bossy britches.
  
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  October 15, 2020 11:12am
- All_on_Red
  
  Actually early Voting in Pennsylvania is not looking good for Trump
  He is way way behind
  Winning PA makes his path a lot easier.
  
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  October 15, 2020 11:21am
  - Batman
    
    For once you and I agree, red. The huge early turnout is a disaster for Trump.
    
    The new Q polls out today show there are a lot of states in play that should be red.
    
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    October 15, 2020 1:18pm
Happy1

We are worried about granddad. Was the reply to an enquiry about a contemporary. Apparently he is right into conspiracy theories, I.e. GW is a hoax, covid is no worse than the flu, Ardern is a communist etc etc. He even swallowed the one about the Wisconsin plotters being left wingers BLM. types. That had more red flags than the Nigerian scams. He rails about the MSM and Bill Gates but listens to Hosking every morning. The family are anxious about how he is going to respond to the re-election of Ardern. I said tell him the sky won’t fall, things will be ok. They said that might be worse as at the moment he knows others think him a fuckwit but if everything works out ok he will know that others will know him to be an idiot. How should the family handle it?
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October 15, 2020 9:00am
- Libertarians are right
  
  I don’t think you understand, most on the right will be ok, regardless of who’s in. It’s our empathy for the vulnerable that drives us to be concerned.
  
  A life of dependence on the Government is not good for anyone.
  
  A life where you are not expected to take any personal responsibility is not good for anyone.
  
  Labour and the Greens do not want to make people’s lives better, they want them to think they’re trying and to blame other (non Labour/Greens) people for their faults and to keep voting and handing their choices over to Labour/Greens.
  
  I know you don’t believe this but quick question: If Labour truly cared, why do they have such an aversion to measurement and accountability?
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:48am
  - Happy1
    
    Good considered reply Lib. I am actually a Nat voter and we are an endangered species at the moment. I understand why they went with Collins but why they went with Brownlee as deputy is beyond me. A young bright guy would have been much better. He was sunk with the “just saying “ interview.
    
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    October 15, 2020 10:07am
- kowtow
  
  ‘That had more red flags than the Nigerian scams.’
  
  Waaaaaacist !!!!!!
  
  Rework that to “More Red Flags than a Cindy rally”, comrade.
  
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  October 15, 2020 11:18am
  - Happy1
    
    Obviously kowtow granddad wasn’t the only one sucked in.
    
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    October 15, 2020 12:27pm
- Happy1
  
  Obviously I ment Michigan plot rather than Wisconsin.
  
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  October 15, 2020 12:59pm
Maggie Pie

And honestly, you gotta laugh.
You’d need to be a ‘special kind of stupid’ to park a bright yello $450k Lambo on the grass outside your Brick n’ Tile in New Lynn, and think it’s not going to draw someones attention. LOL!!

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1316229853314777089
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October 15, 2020 9:02am
- Biscuit
  
  Maggie, I trust that our Boys In Blue pay a visit or 69 to the car dealers who provided the vehicle(s) in question with a gentle ‘And did you not wonder where the readies came for the purchase?’
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:40am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partners looking forward to the Police Auction. Last one he picked up there was a quick 40k to be made from a client down south 😀
    
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    October 15, 2020 10:10am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I wonder if they paid for the Lambo in folding cash. Would have been a few bags of it.
    
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    October 15, 2020 10:59am
    - artemisia
      
      Mate used to sell new Harleys among others, retail premises. Not uncommon for buyers to rock up with a large bag of 20s.
      
      Possibly a casino jackpot. //
      
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      October 15, 2020 11:42am
  - oldfella
    
    Biscuit: I hope the cops also also ask the car dealer, ‘did the suitcase full of cash they used to buy the car not suggest something was a bit dodgy?’.
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:52am
    - Biscuit
      
      Exactly, oldfella.
      
      I like to think I’m a good, honest soul.
      
      Though my wish to be ‘tested’ there by suddenly coming across a mill or two in untraceable notes has yet to be realised!
      
      I tire v. quickly at ‘money laundering rules’ at places like banks and the TAB mean I can’t deposit/withdraw even a lousy thou without being required to give a vial of DNA.
      
      Same thing with Jacinda’s ‘stern’ gun rules.
      
      All v. onerous on ‘goodies’ like me – I’d even claim sainthood – but, meantimes, baddies can carry shotguns in boots of cars and have houses full of expensive cars, boats, drugs, to say nothing of ginormous wads of banknotes with no compunction.
      
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      October 15, 2020 1:29pm
- rangitoto
  
  Reminds me of the movie where two execs of a tech company realise they are being ripped off by an employee but one of them says whoever is doing it has covered their tracks so well it will be impossible to work out who it is. The other exec looks out the window and sees a lowly employee drive a Ferrari into the car park. Might have been a superman movie.
  
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  October 15, 2020 10:07am
notreadyet

Brings to mind names of places like afghanistan, Iraq, and I could go on. Not sure that we want to go there
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October 15, 2020 9:13am
Suze Wainwright

The Green Party leadership’s acknowledgement that Ardern is going to have to negotiate wealth taxes with them whether she wants to or not, kind of puts recent media items from Richard Harman, John Armstrong, et al – that have been totally supportive of Cindy and ridiculing Judith Collins for daring to call Cindy ‘insincere’ – in a better context.

Meanwhile, Tova jumps about saying poo, poo, you’ve done it in your shoe…
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October 15, 2020 9:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Judith is right the Grrrrns are all unemployable. Their standing for Parliament is essentially fraud. They can emote but are not worth the vote.
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:34am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Yes I hope all this publicity this week about the wealth tax pushes them in the polls back down below the 5%.
  
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  October 15, 2020 11:01am
  - artemisia
    
    A lot of students might roll out of bed to vote precisely because of the wealth tax. That would be the tax that pays for their minimum income and saves the planet as an afterthought.
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:46am
I remember when

Labour Party List : Another look at diversity:
In the 2018 Census 70.2% identified with at least one european ethnic group.
Labour have Ardern, Woods, Verrall and Belich (No.30) representing european heritage in their top 30.
At that point Sepuloni, Mahuta, Salesa, Williams, Walters, Allen, Wall and Whaitiri (No.28) represent other ethnicitiues.
So in the first thirty there are seven Polynesian list members and Walters at 22 representing non-european.
The point is not a question of ability, five of the non-european members are or have been ministers.
It is a question of our Parliament representing the make-up of the general population.
On another subject both Labour and National have only 12 women in their top 30.
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October 15, 2020 9:20am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

According to Peter Williams, National internal poll shows their vote has collapsed. Game over bros. Aunty Judith will be happy to get 20% on election night.
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October 15, 2020 9:22am
- greybeard
  
  Keep trying.
  
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  October 15, 2020 9:35am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  not beyond realms of possibility. Emotionally people don’t like voting for someone they perceive as losing. Low polling becomes the story and a self-fulfilling prophecy, as we have seen in numerous elections this century – 2002, 2011, 2014.
  
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  October 15, 2020 10:43am
Libertarians are right

Labour keep pushing National’s fiscal hole. Just once I’d like someone to point out the obvious fact:
The hole existed because National tried to push out their fiscal plan the day after the PREFU but didn’t take into account the massive variation between the June Budget and the September PREFU. Multiple Billions of dollars had fallen out of our economy because of Labour’s actions, not National’s. Sure, Goldsmith undercalculated some of the damage done by Labour, but surely the bigger story is the damage done to our economy by Labour?
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October 15, 2020 9:35am
- Bobba Fret
  
  As someone once said “explaining is losing” and Paul Goldsmith seems to do a lot of explaining.
  He is no Steven Joyce or Bill English unfortunately.
  
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  October 15, 2020 11:03am
  - cmm
    
    The only person I’ve ever seen who really believes that explaining is losing is Whale oil – the boy who throws a paddy and bans people if they challenge him in any way.
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:33am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    If explaining is losing, why do patients (quite rightly) ask me to explain treatment and procedure options so they can give (or withhold) informed consent?
    
    Like a lot of succinct, smarmy soundbites, ‘explaining is losing’ is feculent BS (pardon the redundancy).
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:46am
KevO'Brien

An accounting is expected on Saturday. How would you like Marama for PM?
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October 15, 2020 9:36am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Tax is LOVE.
  
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  October 15, 2020 10:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    Tax is fiscal rape.
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:10am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      And the Cullenites all abjure KY with it.
      
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      October 15, 2020 11:56am
  - JibberJabber
    
    You better grab your ankles then, life is about to get extremely passionate for you.
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:51am
[email protected]

To view most videos on Stuff you have to endure a video ad or two.

Is it my imagination that the video ads are shorter when trying to view a video that is involved in a pro-labour article than when trying to view a video attached to an anti-labour article?

Case in point… The video attached to the Stuff article about life not being fair for some small tourism operators. The video ad attached is one full minute. I instantly back away from any video ads longer than 15 seconds.
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October 15, 2020 9:44am
Catgurl13

Who watched the euthanasia debate on 3 last night?. Was interesting. I’m not sure why Kanoa was even there?. She said her mother worked as a palliative care nurse, and she and her mother were no voters. Well her input added nothing but an opinion. It was a wasted seat on the couch when there could have been an actual nurse there. She then started on about Maori stuff and tried to bring it into the conversation. It was funny watching those leftards on that side of the couch,who were losing the debate.
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October 15, 2020 9:49am
James Stephenson

Please can some explain why anyone who voted National last time would have changed their vote to Labour? I just don’t get it.

I understand why David Seymour’s work would have pulled voters further right, but rewarding Labour for basically following Bloomfield’s orders seems odd to say the least…
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October 15, 2020 10:08am
- lifesgood
  
  I absolutely agree with you, James, and I’ve said this all along. It just doesn’t make any sense yet that’s what they expect us to believe. I agree, some will have gone to Act but I seriously doubt any Nat voter would go to Labour. National won the last election and it was only the devious old charlatan that gave the government to Labour, he’ll be out this time, thank goodness.
  
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  October 15, 2020 11:36am
  - barnacle bill
    
    If the polls are correct and they have been very consistent for many months, then where do you suggest the increase in Labour votes have come from ?
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:52am
sooty

Why would you vote for less inheritance?
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October 15, 2020 10:33am
- Sigmund Freud
  
  Why would you vote for less money?
  
  Because money grows on trees. No problem. And Jizzy will fix it if necessary.
  
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  October 15, 2020 10:52am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Bros – Another opinion poll is coming and my sources have leaked the result and it is not good for NAT+ACT combination. Watch out for the following words from Jessica Not So mu(t)ch McKay.

1. The final poll is not good news for Judith Collins.
2. No improvement in poll numbers under Judith
3. It is all over for National
4. Jacinda/Lbaour popularity is all time high and they can rule by themselves
5. Number of unknowns have reduced to just 5%. This means most of the people have made up their mind and they are voting for Labour

Basically she will paint a picture that tonight’s debate is a waste of time for National as people have already made up their mind and going with Cindy.
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October 15, 2020 10:35am
- Catgurl13
  
  The poll does not count last minute voters who make their minds up on the day. Don’t forget Labour didn’t even have the majority last time. Anything can happen.
  
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  October 15, 2020 10:51am
  - barnacle bill
    
    I know more than a few Nat voters who will not vote until Sat.
    Thats what they have always done and plan to continue.
    There minds have always been made up on who they will vote for.
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:57am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Don’t forget Labour didn’t even have the majority last time.
    
    Nor did National.
    
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    October 15, 2020 2:50pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  They can say what they like but Saturday night comes the retribution.
  
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  October 15, 2020 12:29pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Kev O’ boy – I am so eager to engage in a verbal dual with you on Saturday night. I can imagine the excuses you need to give me after National gets stuck at 32% all night long.
    
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    October 15, 2020 1:45pm
cmm

California pushing for people to wear a mask while chewing.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gavin-newsom-california-face-mask-restaurant/

Does anyone get the feeling there’s this big candid camera thing where they place bets saying: Ok we’ll make the people do (insert stupid stuff X) and see if they comply.

The crazy thing is they do comply, and they keep up cranking up the craziness.

What next?
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October 15, 2020 10:38am
Catgurl13

End of life referendum is about the power of each person to decide to end their own life should they become terminally ill. It’s not some law made an imposed by Pakeha. Interestingly in the article, a survey even showed 50% Maori agree with this law being passed.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300131423/euthanasia-referendum-concern-end-of-life-choice-act-created-by-middle-class-pkeh-to-the-detriment-of-mori
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October 15, 2020 10:42am
- Libertarians are right
  
  What’s worse is that Maori opposition to the act seems to be based on the fact that they believe the whole extended family should make the decision on whether the person lives or dies, that it isn’t their personal choice. That is massively wrong on every level and a good example of why we shouldn’t blindly accept all Maori cultural practices as superior.
  
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  October 15, 2020 10:54am
  - Catgurl13
    
    Its funny how Maori also don’t believe in organ donation,but they expect other cultures to supply organs if they need one. They don’t believe in autopsy yet they want one when it suits them. They are quite happy to have surgery and medical care that was bought here by Pakeha.
    
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    October 15, 2020 11:12am
    - Swifty
      
      May I say that you really must be careful not to believe all Maori think and behave the same way.
      
      They don’t and nor does any other ethnicity you’d care to mention.
      
      The same goes for race-baiting NZ politicians who say “My people believe this..” or “My people want that…”
      
      It’s horseshit. Don’t fall for it and don’t spread it.
      
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      October 15, 2020 12:03pm
      - Catgurl13
        
        Where do I actually state all Maori?
        
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        October 15, 2020 12:34pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You didn’t, you just said ‘Maori also don’t’. To make it clear you were not referring to all Maori, you would have had to include the words ‘a few’ or ‘some’. Perhaps that’s what you wished you had wrote.
        
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        October 15, 2020 2:42pm
      - Swifty
        
        “Its funny how Maori also don’t believe in organ donation…”
        
        Not many, some or a few….
        
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        October 15, 2020 3:40pm
I remember when

The argument against a Wealth Tax at date of sale, or death, is that the Government can’t pre-plan, as they don’t know how much money will be available. Is this always a bad thing?
All taxes have benefits and consequences. All too often the benefits are sold without attention being paid to the opposing downsides.
Invariably, the benefits are targeted at a part of the population, so that the balance of the economy is affected.
Where is the proof that politicians know how to benefit some, without stopping possible improvements for others?
If we all agree that we need a better educated more adaptable workforce, why does this need not seem to be being achieved?
What happened to prototype programmes that can be expanded, if/when proven successful?
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October 15, 2020 10:58am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The interest rate is key. If they apply the same interest rate to the debt that they are charged on their borrowing they will know what money’s available. In fact, if they make the interest rate higher than the Government’s rate they’ll actually make even more money off the scam.
  
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  October 15, 2020 11:38am
Catgurl13

New Conservatives lost my support concerning the End if life choice referendum being discussed on TV3 last night. Elliott was going on about religion and Pacific people being religion followers, therefore being no voters. That there is a strong belief in the afterlife for them,and that like Maori,Pacific people consult their family when making important decisions. That’s not an option to decide such a thing for yourself in their culture. Well he and Kanoa missed the point that this bill is about deciding your own fate, because your life is your own and no one else’s. Its about a doctor saying you are mentally competent to make that decision for yourself when you are terminally ill. It’s not about a village,tribe or family deciding it for you or anyone influencing you or telling you what to do. Quite the opposite actually.
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October 15, 2020 11:05am
- RJ
  
  I would expect most people when they are making the decision will actually consult with their loved ones what they are planning on doing and explain it to them.
  
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  October 15, 2020 1:53pm
fightingtemeraire

Jacinda has been to see the cast of Mary Poppins.

Is she looking for a part??
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October 15, 2020 11:08am
- KevO'Brien
  
  There are some opportunities for children.
  
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  October 15, 2020 12:32pm
- RJ
  
  Don’t worry I’m sure she will go visit the Wallabies soon.
  
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  October 15, 2020 1:44pm
I remember when

I was once in a club that had John Reid at a net practice one evening. May have been in the “Rothman’s’ sponsorship days.
He apparently only wanted to keep his ‘eye in’.
He belted the ball in all directions without once playing a defensive stroke. If he missed one bad luck.
Seem to remember something similar happening with Don Clarke.
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October 15, 2020 11:11am
Jack5

Visitor’s NZ travel story in the Hooerald includes:

As a Canadian Pakeha traveller, it’s clear to me how deeply ingrained colonial narratives continue to be in tourism.

How did Canada get so meth-dose scale Woke?

Perhaps it would have been better if the French colonials had retained control of all of that vast country.

Quebec staunchly French-Canadian:

https://french.lovetoknow.com/Quebec_Cultures

Meanwhile, an example of Woke war on Anglo-Canada:

https://theconversation.com/dear-white-people-wake-up-canada-is-racist-83124
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October 15, 2020 11:41am
lifesgood

I watched Kerre Woodham’s hour with Judith Collins on line. Judith came across extremely well but what got me were the comments scrolling up the side of the page. They were mainly from die hard Labour supporters and they were embarrassing in the extreme. I would be ashamed to associate myself with these knuckle heads who worship Jacinda but have no idea why, loathe Judith and also have no idea why. As I said yesterday, their vitriol knows no bounds. The much fewer comments from Nat supporters were moderate and considered. Lord help us if that rabble gets another 3 years
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October 15, 2020 11:46am
- Jules99
  
  They’ll be dangerous if Jacinda loses.
  
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  October 15, 2020 1:25pm
Catgurl13

Jacinda is really being cunning and deceptive by not revealing which way she votes on Cannibis and End of life referendums. It’s not about her not wanting to influence current voters. It’s really about her not losing votes of conservative cultures here in NZ. In a clip on that TV3 prog last night the Muslims said they do not agree with end of life choice,due to their religious beliefs. I’m sure they also do not agree with Cannibis being made legal here. The Pacific people are also quite conservative concerning religion. It’s pretty bad when she can’t even be up front and stand behind her own beliefs,so that voters know what she stands for ,and if she has the same values they believe in?. It’s pretty sneaky and gutless really. At least Judith has said outright what she supports and stands for.
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October 15, 2020 11:49am
- marcw
  
  I’m pretty sure JA has said she voted for the EOL referendum, it’s the Cannabis one she is coy on.
  
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  October 15, 2020 12:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, she has always backed EOL .
    Jacinda Ardern has explained why she won’t reveal how she’s voting in the cannabis referendum, but has been happy to talk about her position on euthanasia.
    
    Ardern has never said whether she’s in favour of legalising recreational use of cannabis, but will vote ‘yes’ to make ACT leader David Seymour’s End of Life Choice Bill the law.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/cannabis-referendum-jacinda-ardern-reveals-why-she-won-t-publicly-take-a-side.html
    
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    October 15, 2020 1:34pm
  - RJ
    
    Yes she has said she voted in support of it.
    
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    October 15, 2020 1:37pm
Swifty

Voted yesterday and with my daughter who, out of interest, turned 18 on Oct 11 so with the original election date could not have voted but with the election being delayed she just snuck in.

We had a chin-wag afterwards and she explained her voting and referendum choices. Differed a little from mine but I said to her that if you’ve thought it through and arrived at your conclusions then good on you.

Proud of her and pleased for her.
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October 15, 2020 11:59am
- fernglas
  
  Lucky you. My daughter thinks I am Attilla the Hun reincarnate and would probably self destruct if I agreed with anything she said.
  
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  October 15, 2020 1:58pm
NoCash

Just voted, two blue ticks and two NOs.
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October 15, 2020 12:01pm
Maggie Pie

So, the PM has finally agreed to go on air with Sean Plunket tomorrow.
Be interesting to see if he turns into Mr Softcock.
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October 15, 2020 12:46pm
- kowtow
  
  He swoons for Swarbrig.
  
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  October 15, 2020 12:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Apparently he even invited Chloe home for dinner, but she told him she prefers to eat out.
    
    😛
    
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    October 15, 2020 1:50pm
Bobba Fret

In NZ Herald (Pay walled) they did a survey on who should be deputy PM
If Lab win Robbo’s the man 36%; Davis 14% (hard to believe), James Shaw 13% and Marama 8% and none of above and dont knows 29%..
If Nats win Seymour 39%; Brownlee 16%; Bridges 12% and none of above and dont knows are 32%.
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October 15, 2020 12:47pm
- Groggy
  
  Brownlee is as hard to believe as Davis tbh
  
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  October 15, 2020 4:30pm
bennerg

Sad to read today about the perversion of our law, where the Police were blamed for not ending a pursuit of a fleeing driver in Christchurch. The driver, got 2 yrs 8months for manslaughter, when it should have been 1st degree murder, and 20+years minimum inside.

Until the law and judges protect us by sending these idiots away who seem to think it is fine to drive at ridiculous speeds to evade the Police, they will always see it as a viable option.

Add in an enforced compensation for any victims (sell any house, vehicle etc) and only then will it be not an option for them to consider. It may take one or two, or even three to get so convicted, but the message will then eventually get through.
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October 15, 2020 12:48pm
Jack5

The total value of all companies listed on Chinese stock markets has reached 10.08 trillion US dollars, reports the Telegraph.

That’s about 15.04 trillion NZ dollars.

This tops the peak in the Chinese share bubble five years ago.
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October 15, 2020 1:49pm
Critical Thinker

Tucker Carlson with an absolutely damning walkthrough of Hunter Biden and Joe Biden’s corrupt dealings where Hunter sold access to his Vice President father ?

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1316538856926187520
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October 15, 2020 1:53pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  It’s very bizarre to see that most of our New Zealand media are choosing not to cover this absolute bombshell of a story… very bizarre indeed ?
  
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  October 15, 2020 4:16pm
- Batman
  
  Lol of course Tucker is embracing the Russian disinformation.
  
  The world’s dumbest campaign teams up with the official TV network of gullible rubes.
  
  https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-knew-for-weeks-that-rudy-giulianis-hit-on-hunter-biden-was-coming
  
  “For example, metadata on the PDF files purporting to show Hunter Biden’s emails published by the Post suggest they were created on a Mac laptop on September 29 and October 10, 2019—around the same time Giuliani’s Ukrainian associates who helped him dig up dirt on the Bidens, Igor Fruman and Lev Parnas, were arrested and charged with breaking campaign finance laws. The timing of the creation of those PDF files—several months after Biden allegedly dropped off his laptop at the PC repair store in April 2019—raises questions about how and when Giuliani came into possession of the purported emails.”
  
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  October 15, 2020 4:31pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Could we have less DBS on Kiwiblog please?
    
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    October 15, 2020 4:59pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Might depend upon how much bullshit the Trumpistas keep posting.
      
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      October 15, 2020 5:43pm
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/vote-2020/australian-columnist-criticises-jacinda-ardern-as-shabby-fraudulent/

A very fair article. Doubt many will read it though.
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October 15, 2020 2:01pm
- Paulus
  
  He is one of the more and most respected Australian Journalists not the usual hack.
  Try looking at any of his normal other articles.
  
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  October 15, 2020 3:25pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Wouldn’t make any difference even if they did read it.
  There are so many young people, women and sentimental oldies for whom Ms Ardern can do no wrong. They all feel protective over because “she’s so lovely” and she saved us.
  Won’t be until the money runs out and everyone gets taxed more that the shine might rub off – but even then it won’t be her fault.
  
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  October 15, 2020 3:32pm
Bykmad

Dont believe it, but there is an intelligent Aussie Journalist. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2020-australian-columnist-greg-sheridan-criticises-jacinda-ardern-as-shabby-fraudulent/LCQMA6LQGXRPR5CFAEJCOVNQBQ/
Pity the imposters here aren’t able to present unbiased Election 2020 comments.
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October 15, 2020 2:05pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Heh, only 3 Fraser House downtickers – so far…
  
  Truth can be painful
  
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  October 15, 2020 4:08pm
- surfing
  
  You’ll actually find that aussies are generally more intelligent than kiwis — who are brainwashed into socialism and anti-business.
  
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  October 15, 2020 4:55pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Their journos have had plenty of experience dealing with dodgy politicians.
    
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    October 15, 2020 5:41pm
Happychappy

I see Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister is using tragedy and death to gather votes again after this family had originally been turned down to enter NZ so they could sell their yacht after their young son was killed on the water in a accident.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jacinda-ardern-steps-in-after-uk-family-whose-son-was-killed-by-speedboat-are-refused-nz-entry/WHOTUHJTWTY5H6G7X6I2PUBM7U/
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October 15, 2020 3:59pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Jacinda didn’t intervene to rescue an actual Kiwi citizen – dying Abby Hartley – from Bali though.
  
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  October 15, 2020 5:06pm
- rockape
  
  This is rubbish. I have been around yachting for years. It’s hard to sell in NZ plus they will pay about 22.5% on the sale. If you want a good price,Aus, Singapore or the USA and you will get a good price. They would be better off putting it on a container ship back to the UK and not have to pay the over $ 200,000 they. Will pay in tax bringing it for sale intoNZ. I have imported and sold 2 yachts here.
  
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  October 15, 2020 6:04pm
Tom Barker

Is “Be Unkind” Judith Collins”s secret election slogan? And if so, is it working for her yet?
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October 15, 2020 4:29pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Concern Troll’s concern noted.
  
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  October 15, 2020 5:06pm
surfing

Thanks to Judith Collins, 2 days out from the election the national party narrative is still about fat people .

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2020-auckland-mans-powerful-response-to-judith-collins-obesity-comments/VBSGQU5RDETKESVBOADF7WV3OY/

Instead of labours miserable track record and what national is going to do about it!

National are a shambles and they’re going to need to do better than this to break the Jacinda effect.
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October 15, 2020 4:54pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It’s in the lap of the media what gets reported. That’s where their power lies (in both senses of the word).
  
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  October 15, 2020 5:34pm
- RJ
  
  He actually proved her point when he claimed that fruit is $1.50 and a pie is $1, if he has $3 he would buy a pie instead of two pieces of fruit. He has made the personal decision to eat unhealthy food over the fruit.
  
  I was talking to a friend the other day about obesity, he said he constantly gets patients telling him they don’t eat junk food, they only eat healthy food, they don’t know why they are overweight, then he will drive past the fast food outlets and see them in there getting junk food.
  
  An interesting article for anyone that doesn’t think obesity is a huge issue we must face
  
  Shocking statistics from the World Obesity Federation reveal that by 2025 the number of adults that are overweight or obese globally will reach 2.7 billion. If preventative measures are not taken, the yearly medical costs for treating obesity-related diseases will top US$1.2 trillion by this time. In New Zealand, the cost of obesity will reach US$3.5 billion by 2015, while in Australia it will reach $17 billion.
  
  https://www.mindfood.com/article/cost-of-obesity-on-the-rise/
  
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  October 15, 2020 5:59pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s the $50M media playing tricks.
  I’m expecting happier times on Saturday.
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:06pm
virtualmark

Two interesting data points re US election:

“Colorado turnout now over 293,000 which is bonkers. 46% D, 33% U, 19% R. Obviously, this will even out to some degree. But in an all mail state where every voter gets a ballot, it shows a very real enthusiasm gap.”

“About 9 million people voted in Florida in the 2016 general election. As of 10/14, about 3.75 million vote-by-mail ballots were delivered. Almost 2 million have already been returned, with Dems & ‘no party’ accounting for about two-thirds.”
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October 15, 2020 4:55pm
- emmess
  
  That’s not true
  A1. Every voter receives a mail ballot. The ballot will be sent to the mailing address you provided for your voter registration file. To check the address on file, or to make any changes to your voter registration visit http://www.GoVoteColorado.gov.
  
  If you prefer to vote at the polls, you can vote in-person at a voter service and polling center. Please visit http://www.GoVoteColorado.gov to find your polling locations.
  https://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/FAQs/mailBallotsFAQ.html
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:03pm
Wired-one

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2020-australian-columnist-greg-sheridan-criticises-jacinda-ardern-as-shabby-fraudulent/LCQMA6LQGXRPR5CFAEJCOVNQBQ/

How do many of my fellow kiwis not see her ineptitude?
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October 15, 2020 5:32pm
RJ

Very sensible opening statement from Lindsey Graham. I’d say it stands true everywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0ZRRbPxAdg&feature=emb_logo
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October 15, 2020 5:56pm
gorse

TVNZ poll. I cant’t understand that 3% are backing Peters. Who knows Saturday evening. 8% Greens? Bet they don’t get that on Saturday. Good to see Labour continuing to slide though.
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October 15, 2020 6:09pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  voters switch freely between labour and greens same as national and act. Its moves across the middle from team A to team B that take a lot more time to happen.
  
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  October 15, 2020 8:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From 2017.
Possible scenario for the Govt of NZ:
Crystal ball gazing
The new government of Labour/NZ First/Greens have agreed to tell China that they no longer have preferred country status and can no longer buy NZ property without serious vetting.
China highly offended says, I don’t think so, Labour/NZ First/Greens say that’s disappointing we’re not budging, China FTA is now dead.
Labour happy because they’ve followed through on their promise to ban foreign ownership
NZ First happy because Peters is an old nationalistic zenophope who believe in fortress NZ.
Greens happy because it will decimate the dairy industry.
Everyone else miserable as the economy collapses.
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October 15, 2020 7:20pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

First room temperature superconductor! Though unfortunately only at very high pressures.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/physics-first-room-temperature-superconductor-discovery
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October 15, 2020 9:02pm
JulieBabe

I am voting Late, and hard (right) on Saturday in a proper polling booth with scrutineers!
Its Act for me, only to give National a message.
I would vote NC but its a wasted vote.

The Threshold needs to be lower 3 or 4%. or even (1% with 100 setas)
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