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FatTony

“Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump”

Glory, glory, hallelujah!
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November 8, 2020 8:01am
Fletch

The media are claiming that Biden has won the presidency with no fact behind it. AFAIK Trump is still the president and Biden hasn’t won. They don’t get to declare that Biden won because it makes them feel better. The election in 2000 took 36 days to decide and went all the way to the Supreme Court. Totally irresponsible.

I haven’t seen any official results reported, or a concession by Trump. The media have just decided on their own to crown Joe as winner.
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November 8, 2020 8:02am
- BeeJay
  
  Still clutching at straws there, Fletch?
  
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  November 8, 2020 10:10am
Critical Thinker

“We all know why Joe Biden is rushing to falsely pose as the winner, and why his media allies are trying so hard to help him: they don’t want the truth to be exposed.

The simple fact is this election is far from over.

Joe Biden has not been certified as the winner of any states, let alone any of the highly contested states headed for mandatory recounts, or states where our campaign has valid and legitimate legal challenges that could determine the ultimate victor.

In Pennsylvania, for example, our legal observers were not permitted meaningful access to watch the counting process. Legal votes decide who is president, not the news media.

Beginning Monday, our campaign will start prosecuting our case in court to ensure election laws are fully upheld and the rightful winner is seated. The American People are entitled to an honest election: that means counting all legal ballots, and not counting any illegal ballots. This is the only way to ensure the public has full confidence in our election.

It remains shocking that the Biden campaign refuses to agree with this basic principle and wants ballots counted even if they are fraudulent, manufactured, or cast by ineligible or deceased voters. Only a party engaged in wrongdoing would unlawfully keep observers out of the count room – and then fight in court to block their access.

“So what is Biden hiding? I will not rest until the American People have the honest vote count they deserve and that Democracy demands.”

– President Donald J. Trump

Get the popcorn ready.
😎🍿
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November 8, 2020 8:03am
- Nick R
  
  Dude, we’ve been eating it for days.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:34am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Why are people so afraid of an audit? We can easily draw an inference to answer that question. If all is legitimate and Biden won, then I cannot see any reason why scrutiny cannot be applied.
  
  It seems highly inconsistent to invoke Trump’s unevidenced “anti-democratic” tendencies for 4 years, then to resist and outright reject any suggestion whatsoever of a recount or other inquiry, which is evidence of his opponents own anti-democratic approach. As ever, words do not correspond to actions.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:46am
  - David Farrar
    
    The results are audited. The campaigns have observers at the count. If the margin is close, most state laws have an automatic recount.
    
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    November 8, 2020 9:54am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Given the significance of the outcome, what harm would come from having a full audit involving both sides, regardless of how tight the margins are? Again, we can easily infer the answer to that. Questions have been raised, so let’s resolve them. There’s several months in which to do it. Wouldn’t it shut Trump and us “Trumpists” up?
      
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      November 8, 2020 10:17am
      - Batman
        
        Questions have been dishonestly raised and quickly shown to be without merit. But sure, do an audit and let’s add some salt to the trumper tears… I’m sure at that point they’ll suddenly believe it and not claim it’s all fake and rigged
        
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        November 8, 2020 10:30am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        How on earth can a question be dishonestly raised?
        
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        November 8, 2020 12:04pm
      - Batman
        
        Sorry, must be just a stupid question raised by stupid people then.
        
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        November 8, 2020 12:14pm
      - TheNecroposter
        
        Batman:” Questions have been dishonestly raised and quickly shown to be without merit.”
        
        Every Trump supporter: *cough* the russian and ukraine collusion hoax *cough*
        
        Batman: “But sure, do an audit and let’s add some salt to the trumper tears… I’m sure at that point they’ll suddenly believe it and not claim it’s all fake and rigged”
        
        And gasp when something dodgy is found, we’ll be hearing about how the voter fraud was caused by… (drum roll please) RUSSSIIIAAA!!!!!
        
        So tell me. Why suddenly is there no possibility or sign of serious voter fraud when Biden is the lead, but if Trump was going to win your heightened intellect and omniscience tells you he must have did it via fraud. On far less evidence as well.
        
        Besides last I checked you guys still have not conceded that Trump is the President of America, so I see no problem in doing so with Harris. 😉 You are just happy that you narrowly avoided a second butt whopping. I bet on election night you were wetting your diapers.
        
        I have come to turns with Labours win (Involving darts and a certain someone’s face. Kidding !) and happy to do so with Biden but only if I am certain that the claims have been dealt with (either proving true or as lies or rumors). If you can investigate Trump, we can do so with Biden. We want fairness and unity don’t we ?
        
        Last I checked stupidity came from not verifying anything and assume anything as fact. Not the other way round. Do you agree ?
        
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        November 8, 2020 2:37pm
- BeeJay
  
  CT, joining Fletch to clutch at straws?
  
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  November 8, 2020 10:12am
Luke Piewalker

Look forward to the Biden family corruption coming home to roost
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November 8, 2020 8:04am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  There’s a rug being prepared right now to deal with that issue.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:26am
  - sooty
    
    Cindys going to send over one just like hers!
    
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    November 8, 2020 12:30pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      I couldn’t knowledgably comment on that without first consulting the First Husband.
      
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      November 8, 2020 1:13pm
- kowtow
  
  The Media Pardy just won’t play , unlike if it were a Trump they’d be all over it .
  
  Note nearly every “news” network deplatformed his broadcast on the base of his promoting “falsehoods” .
  
  Whether he was or not is not the issue . The issue is the Media Party , like social media , now acting as Gate Keepers .
  
  That is not their role and this is a new level of interference in politics and free speech.
  
  Funny , this from the same people who relentlessly promoted the Russia lie to delegitimise one President remain so silent now their candidate prepares to take power.
  
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  November 8, 2020 10:51am
- Fletch
  
  Just think how many millions Hunter can sell access to “the Big Guy” now…. 🙄
  
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  November 8, 2020 2:43pm
krazykiwi

The elderly Biden likes to stop working after lunch. So half of America has elected half a president. And I predict he won’t last half of his term before the 25th is wielded against him.
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November 8, 2020 8:06am
- sooty
  
  So no different to our part time prime minister!
  She’s never there away with the fairies or kindy!
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:13am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Given the corruption exposed with the Bribes for Biden laptop exposé, I would expect impeachment proceedings before Biden gets to nap time on Monday.
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:14am
- Nick R
  
  So just like Trump then?
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:14am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Trump has already done 8 hours by lunchtime.
    
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    November 8, 2020 1:14pm
    - Aliog
      
      Golf?
      
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      November 8, 2020 2:07pm
- Luke Piewalker
  
  Looking forward to Biden receiving the equal amount of abuse Trump got.
  
  They deserve payback and better not cry about it when it happens
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:14am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Not going to happen…and for that we should be grateful.
    
    There’s another 190+ countries in the World, and perhaps our Media might now have space for articles free of US- taint.
    
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    November 8, 2020 10:23am
  - Fletch
    
    Yeh, it probably won’t happen. Antifa and BLM didn’t riot, and the stores can all take down their plywood, now it looks like the “right” person has been elected.
    
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    November 8, 2020 2:46pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  Interesting to see the entire legacy media declare Biden the victor while we have a half dozen states in automatic recount and deep questions about voting machine irregularities. The media do not declare who’s president-elect.
  
  Gore did not concede until the middle of December. Gore litigated for 37 days. There’s a constitutional and statutory process to follow.
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:24am
- MCos
  
  You’re getting confused with the All Blacks
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:35am
  - sooty
    
    No, the all blacks were confused last night!
    
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    November 8, 2020 4:02pm
- cmm
  
  “And I predict he won’t last half of his term”
  
  I’ll be surprised if he makes it much past his inauguration in January.
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:57am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    He may be on the noose before then.
    
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    November 8, 2020 9:23am
- Mike
  
  Will he have most of his day scheduled as ‘executive time’?
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:57am
- pdm
  
  `The elderly Biden likes to stop working after lunch.’
  
  No wonder our part time Prime Minister can relate to him and welcomes his election.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:49am
- BeeJay
  
  A bit like Trump playing golf half the time or sitting on his backside watching TV and abusing the world on Twitter?
  
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  November 8, 2020 10:14am
70andstilllearning

https://www.facebook.com/pg/MattKingMP/posts/?ref=page_internal

“The reality of a recount swinging Northland back in my favour is beyond a tall order when looking at how recounts have gone in the past.

After sleeping on the election result published yesterday and consulting many friends and colleagues, I have come to the decision that I will not request a judicial recount.

I have called Willow Jean Prime and congratulated her on being elected as the MP for Northland.

“It has been the honour of my life to represent the place I am so proud to call home.

This Tuesday I will be in Wellington to say my final remarks to the National Party caucus.

Thank you Northland, it’s been a blast.”

So in NZ how a right leaning politician and local supporters handle defeat for the interim. Dignity, integrity and no hysteria around electoral fraud.
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Don’t need to say it , do I !!
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November 8, 2020 8:08am
- Robert
  
  Another soft cock who never really wanted to be there anyway.
  If the other softcock Key hadn’t tossed Heatley then they would still own the electrorate.
  But there ya go and Key still hasn’t learnt what he has done to the Nats.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:24am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    You obviously know jack shit about the area. Phil was MP for Whangarei not Northland and Matt tossed Whimpstone.
    
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    November 8, 2020 10:02am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      He’s a lefty stooge so he knows jack shit about anything.
      
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      November 8, 2020 11:04am
- Mark
  
  I called his office in Keri keri on Friday and passed on my condolences to Matts staff,as I know they will have lost their jobs.I have met Matt on several occassion ,in my opinion he is the best of a bad bunch.Non withstanding all that I am witness to something I never thought possible a labour MP in Northland electorate.What fun I have had with the local Tory farmers ,oh happy days . Give them their due they have taken it in good spirits unlke the whingeing sooka bubbas on Kiwiblog .The Trump loss is just the icing on a fabulous cake.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:56am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Not much better than Robert. Northland has shifted quiet a ways since John C resigned from parliament. Has been since Sabin stuffed up which was partly reflected in Whimpstone’s short tenure as local MP.
    
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    November 8, 2020 10:21am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Just an afterthought. With 2 labour MP’s you reckon your mate Robbo might sort out the remaining 8 one-way bridges – they should be shovel ready after 5 years planning?
    
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    November 8, 2020 11:05am
    - HeatherW
      
      3 Labour electorate MPs in Northland. 3 of the 10 2015 promised bridges have been completed. Apparently the Kaeo one will be starting construction by the end of this year. There are way more than 10 one-way bridges in Northland – the chosen ten were all on state highways.
      
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      November 8, 2020 4:34pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Yea -forget Te Tai Tokorau
        
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        November 9, 2020 7:25am
    - Jack5
      
      Willow-Jean Prime could be hard to beat in the electorate next election.
      
      She and her school-teacher husband, Dion, will appeal to the Greenish with their self-built rammed-earth home.
      
      She will appeal to women voters with publicity her feeding her baby in Parliament.
      
      She will appeal to Maori with her self-description on the Labour web site. It includes “Willow-Jean is a māmā and a politician” – māmā being a loan word for “mum”, Maorified with macrons.
      
      Māmā has other definitions as well in the online Maori dictionary. One is the name for a noise-making “bull roarer.”
      
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      November 8, 2020 4:58pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Tend to agree but her margin is very slim. I think it will depend on how well she does for eastern mid north which is where her power base is as I see it. Can’t recall seeing too much of her over the other side during campaign.
        
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        November 9, 2020 7:46am
Yvette

‘New Zealand has come of age’: Māori MPs don’t want their presence in Cabinet to be news.
Kelvin Davis hopes one day, the number of Māori in Cabinet and holding ministerial positions won’t be news.

But same in the same Newshub article –
Davis said he was “so proud” of Mahuta’s achievement, becoming not just the first woman but first Māori woman to hold the foreign affairs portfolio.

And elsewhere new Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta says –
“I think I can do [the job] in a different way. I think that we have the capacity now as a small nation to drive out different types of solutions – much of that is invested in our indigenous perspective and how we have been able to do things different domestically and take that out into the international forum”

And in the Guardian UK, writer Eleanor Ainge Roy in Queenstown –
“It’s satisfying to be given the opportunity to serve in a way we can lift the glass ceiling, in offices that have often not been open to women,” Mahuta says.
“And importantly blaze a trail that can be different and unique, and carve out a real sense of opportunity as a country, but also for Indigenous people … So that’s what I am going to do.”

Don’t they stop ever to realise that the “mature, just ordinary representation” bullshit actually cancels out the “special indigenous perspective” bullshit – unless they actually get on with something and prove a special contribution to be the case.

Maori in Labour still have to break the pattern that the rest of Labour suffers from – that achievements need to be in actions, not just meaningless words and slogans and bumper-sticker statements.
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November 8, 2020 8:08am
- Nickc2
  
  I think the possibility of Mahuta having any foreign affairs would be very remote indeed.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:45am
Jules99

Let’s wait until they have stopped counting the votes before we allow the media to call the election.
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November 8, 2020 8:14am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More than 21K dead people voted in Pennsylvania
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November 8, 2020 8:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fact checkers say false, but fact checkers only started checking when the truth came out
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:17am
- Critical Thinker
  
  JUST-IN: Some 300,000 ballots in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania were not inspected by a single Republican Poll Watcher 🤔
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:18am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Correct. MO: Send out official ballots to everyone on the role, including dead people whose ballots are then filled out and counted as legitimate votes. The dead, like the blacks, tend to vote as a bloc for the Democrats.
  
  https://publicinterestlegal.org/blog/pa-lawsuit-21k-deceased-on-voter-rolls-evidence-of-voting-activity-after-death/
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:22am
- Okahu
  
  I saw that report too! But you misread it. It actually said that republicans had successfully garnered the votes of every brain dead voter in Pa.
  
  Sounds eminently possible to me.
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:32am
  - Tall Man
    
    Wrong, they voted for ardern.
    
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    November 8, 2020 10:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nice try
    
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    November 8, 2020 10:15am
- BeeJay
  
  Oh Steve, stop it! It’s time for you to concede that you supported the loser, and take a month off until the EC Declaration in December! I know you’re a Trumper and anti Biden, but you’re going to have to live with Biden’s win sooner or later, so maybe just get over it?
  
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  November 8, 2020 10:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You know it is far from over. Court proceedings to prove voter fraud start monday morning US time. The left cheated on a scale never seen before.
    Biden gets over 70M votes yet could not 100at a rally? Stinks to high heaven.
    “We will see what happens” DJT
    
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    November 8, 2020 12:15pm
I remember when

Te Kawerau a Maki has bought four Auckland schools for $50-60 million.
Ministry of Education leases back in perpetuity, paying rent to the iwi, who use half the money to pay back the loan.
Let’s call it $60 million, divided by 30, equals $2 million a year, multiplied by 2 equals $4 million per year.
So rent paid by each school is about $1,000,000 per year.
At the end of30 years the iwi have $60 million in funds.
What could you buy from Fletchers if you had that sort of money?
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November 8, 2020 8:16am
- Yvette
  
  At the end of 30 years the iwi have $60 million in funds.
  What could you buy from Fletchers if you had that sort of money?
  
  About 60 average Auckland houses
  
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  November 8, 2020 10:57am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Is this a rort against the taxpayers? This looks like a gift, what was the consideration?
  
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  November 8, 2020 12:32pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Votes.
    
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    November 8, 2020 1:29pm
  - HeatherW
    
    The loan is from ACC (Accident Compensation Corporation) so from worker levies. Does this allow other iwi who also claim the tribal area of Papakura to Mangawhai to use the same system for their right-to-purchase treaty settlement deals?
    Gives ACC a 30 year income stream but probably no protection if loan defaulted.
    
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    November 8, 2020 4:49pm
artemisia

What will the Opposition’s priorities be now?

While National is smaller, ACT is bigger so between them they have an opportunity to do some detailed analysis and come up with a few headline items. National already did a fair bit of policy consultation while in government and should not need to repeat that.

My suggestions for headline policy –

1. Get out of the way! Have a definite list of what and how.
2. No more wasteful spending of your taxes. Another definite list.

Remember the Loopy Rules review? That was a great idea but a bit of a fizzer in terms of outcomes, but need not have been. Re-read submissions. Then there was a proposal to cancel 2 regulations for each new one. But cancel what? Who knew?

And the Opposition now has time to do a line by line review of Votes and decide what stays and what doesn’t.

And tell the voters hard, early and often.
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November 8, 2020 8:17am
- Tall Man
  
  “And tell the voters hard, early and often”
  
  How pray tell?
  
  The media blackout will not magically disappear overnight.
  
  ardern’s inane utterings will still be “top stories” in the well subsidised media….. Subsidised by the minority tax payers that didn’t vote for ardern.
  
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  November 8, 2020 10:09am
  - artemisia
    
    Social media for one avenue. Activate the ‘army’ for another.
    
    That army is the supporters and volunteers current and future. Set up some small and bounded tasks and activities for volunteers, nationally or locally. Like for example – this month forward a tweet or FB post they like to a couple of people. Letterbox drop in their street. Keep track of who has been allocated what, though not in a big bro way. Offer incentives like local focus group participation with pay or lunch.
    
    When I was a playcentre parent it was hard to get parents to put their hand up. Because they could see if they did that more and more requests would be coming their way, whether they had the skills or not, and they would be overwhelmed and not know how to say no.
    
    So we did the small, bounded tasks thing, one at a time. Some took on more, some didn’t but the process was managed (more or less). And every completion was publicly thanked, probably the most powerful thing.
    
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    November 8, 2020 10:50am
    - Tall Man
      
      Great, but all will be over ridden by the bias of the press delivered to the thousands at every turn.
      
      A playcentre involves a few hundred at the very most. Normally just a few dozen.
      
      The media has annointed ardern and we will have to wait for them to turn on her which they will.
      
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      November 8, 2020 1:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        which they will.
        
        Perhaps not…
        remember Ardern wants to do a revamp of the entire media scene in NZ….
        
        Clare Curren bumbled it last session….. but something will be in place in the very near future manned and overseen by a lot of Ardern’s mates.
        
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        November 8, 2020 5:19pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Maggy they couldn’t organise a pissup in a brewery.
        
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        November 8, 2020 7:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Remember when the media called the election for Al Gore?? How long was he President?
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November 8, 2020 8:24am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  The relationship between the MSM and its consumers is like battered wife syndrome: a toxic relationship wherein one party can tell all the falsehoods they like and never be held to account for their behaviour, and in so doing take advantage of the other all they wish, yet the other abused party keeps coming back for more, mostly because that’s all the know and they get a perverse level of comfort from the situation.
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:29am
- SGA
  
  As I remember, they called it for Gore, then they called it for Bush, Gore graciously conceded, then they said it was too close to call, and Gore had to retract his concession.
  Bit of a shambles all round.
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:45am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Ah, yes. I remember President Gore.
    
    https://twitter.com/JoshLekach/status/1325157144371490817
    
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    November 8, 2020 12:07pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Until the climate changed?
  
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  November 8, 2020 11:23pm
JibberJabber

Looks like the Republican rioters and looters haven’t got out of bed yet…
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November 8, 2020 8:25am
- Tall Man
  
  Working to try to make America great again despite the efforts of the losers on the left.
  
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  November 8, 2020 10:13am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Pelosi has suspicious ties with Dominion Voting Systems – the software that caused the glitch for Biden.
https://cleverjourneys.com/2020/11/06/pelosi-has-suspicious-ties-with-election-software-glitch-company-in-favor-of-biden-ballots/?
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November 8, 2020 8:30am
- krazykiwi
  
  Voting machines having their software updated the day before the election would be fine if that software was open source and published a month earlier. It isn’t, and it wasn’t which is really, really bad practice for high-stakes applications.
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:40am
  - cmm
    
    I’d absolutely agree with that.
    
    Software is really easy to jank with and almost impossible to audit.
    
    1) Even with open source you can’t guarantee that what was open sources is what was run on the day.
    
    2) Nefarious behaviour is really easy to hide (eg, a routine that only runs between hours x and y then deletes itself.
    
    I’d go as far as to say that software-based voting is based completely on trust. In this case we’re trusting a bunch of people that think Trump is Hitler and should be beaten at any costs. Nothing is off the table.
    
    Fighting the swamp was never going to be easy.
    
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    November 8, 2020 9:04am
    - krazykiwi
      
      This type of software has exactly the same chain of custody gaps as does postal voting. I simply don’t trust either party to play with straight dice here.
      
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      November 8, 2020 9:11am
      - cmm
        
        Yup, but they can be jnked with in different ways.
        
        Postal votes are lower tech and thus easier to interfere with by lower skill people. Destroying votes is easy (just steal and burn). Creating new ones (or modifying them) is relatively difficult.
        
        Software tampering needs some tech savvy but is easier to hide. Votes can easily be created out of nothing and modified.
        
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        November 8, 2020 9:38am
  - JackRabbit
    
    I mentioned on yesterday’s thread about how election ballot stuffing is easily carried out because there are no checks and balances.
    
    And the democrat election ballot stuffing saga in “The Good Wife”, with loaded ballot boxes being received in the dead of night. Its worth a watch.
    
    And I’m pretty sure that the “software updated the day before the election”, was also either on the “The Good Wife” or another similar series.
    
    The point is, it showed how easy it was to do, because of “Who knew who.”
    
    So https://cleverjourneys.com/2020/11/06/pelosi-has-suspicious-ties-with-election-software-glitch-company-in-favor-of-biden-ballots/
    is easily possible.
    
    And before anyone writes off that it would be done instead of could be done, and therefore only a work of fiction, they need to think harder.
    
    Marxists, Communists, and hard core socialists have no scruples. They are self entitled and believe any corruption is OK, so long as it supports their noble goals. Ends justify the means.
    
    The same reason why Man Made Global warming stats are doctored. They “see” the “theory of the problem” but the evidence does not support the theory. So rather than gather data and evaluate , they manufacture the evidence. Again, the ends justify the means.
    
    “Trump is Bad Orange Man, and needs to go. So what if the economy has improved under Trump?
    
    So what if he discovered the elaborate One World plan behind Covid-19.
    
    Lets rig the polls so Bad Orange Man is defeated, and do America a favour. They thank us for it later.
    
    The ends justify the means.”
    
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    November 8, 2020 1:05pm
- MarkF
  
  @SO The veracity of that website leaves much up to the imagination.
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:52am
  - NK
    
    Doesn’t matter Mark. To Trumpists, you just write something, repeat it 200 times, get your supporters to do the same, and then it becomes the truth.
    
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    November 8, 2020 8:55am
    - cmm
      
      You mean like the fine people hoax which has been debunked continuously but Biden was repeating right to this day?
      
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      November 8, 2020 9:05am
    - Robert
      
      Doesn’t matter Mark. To NEVER Trumpists, you just write something, repeat it 200 times, get your supporters to do the same, and then it becomes the truth.
      
      There ya go NK fixed that for ya.
      
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      November 8, 2020 9:12am
    - Tall Man
      
      Like ardern you mean.
      
      Is that a failing? Those who vote for ardern think it’s awesome……
      
      Actually, maybe like biden they don’t think at all.
      
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      November 8, 2020 9:18am
Stu2

The news that Trump’s Chielf of Staff has just got covid is a sad epitah for his regime. Not equipped to deal with a pandemic.

Trump has been saying Covid has turned a corner but they have just had a day with 125,000 new cases (daily max about 70k in the July surge) and 1,248 daily deaths. And the projections are that it will get worse. There must be risk of overwhelming the hospitals, which is when Covid gets a lot worse

The Trump regime is going to be missing in action in this space for over two more months. Biden is going to inherit something pretty awful.
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November 8, 2020 8:36am
Paulus

I await the first betting as to how long Obiden is President.
He is sadly suffering from dementia as can be seen, which is non reversible.
Harris will make an interesting study as to how she stands the forces of the Clinton and Obama families.
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November 8, 2020 8:37am
Surely Knott

What will the news do for click bait now that Trump is gone. National is out. Who will be the scapegoat? Perfectionism only works if their is a scapegoat to blame the problems on. What will they report on?
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November 8, 2020 8:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ media will just repeat CNN/MSNBC shit. Nothing changes. We do not have reporters
  
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  November 8, 2020 10:19am
- kowtow
  
  Who will be the scapegoat?
  
  The usual suspects.
  
  Capitalism , Honkey, colonialism, racism.
  
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  November 8, 2020 12:41pm
- Paulus
  
  No, our so called media will continue to denigrate National as they have been told, and bought.
  They are at it today again trying to tell national what to do – if they don’t do it the media will continue to slam them.
  National must try and give them nothing upon which to latch but there are some well known media ladies who are still making things up to suit them, and the Labour/Greens Coalition.
  
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  November 8, 2020 2:14pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Media ladies Paulus? There are many words that best describe these things. Most of them not included and any spellchecker or dictionary.
    
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    November 8, 2020 2:49pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yup. The media are really going to miss Donald. A classic case of love him, hate him but can’t live without him.
  
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  November 8, 2020 3:20pm
KevO'Brien

The lowdown on those voting machines:
http://joannenova.com.au/
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November 8, 2020 8:44am
- MarkF
  
  And Jo Nova telling us all about software and security etc. from an unsecure website. Not a good look!
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:56am
  - Mike
    
    Perhaps she should stick to her core interest – lying about climate change.
    
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    November 8, 2020 9:02am
  - Robert
    
    Immaterial argument. Dissembling from the real issue. Just like the democrats and Cindy.
    
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    November 8, 2020 9:21am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That’s a recent Google pinprick.
    
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    November 8, 2020 9:27am
  - cmm
    
    Ummm so what?
    
    Security is not equally important everywhere.
    
    In my home office I write some software that is banking level secure, but you could break into my house with a tooth pick.
    
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    November 8, 2020 9:40am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The price of the SSL certs can be very expensive for some websites too. For most it’s only of concern re Google rankings.
      
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      November 8, 2020 12:37pm
NK

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Has Trump left the Whitehouse yet? If not, would the Secret Service please escort him from the premises.

Or call in Denis Connor, to tell him to “get off the stage, you loser”.
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November 8, 2020 8:47am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Sorry sweet heart, he’s there until late January (at least).
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:53am
- cmm
  
  Trump is the president until January.
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:55am
  - GazzaW
    
    Trump is the lame duck President until January.
    
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    November 8, 2020 8:59am
  - Mike
    
    Plenty of time to steal all the furniture.
    
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    November 8, 2020 9:03am
    - Paulus
      
      No, but has Mrs Obama returned the furniture and similar that she took yet when she left.
      
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      November 8, 2020 2:17pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    This is actually a good system. Three months to sort the s**t either way.
    
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    November 8, 2020 9:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That was Bruce Farr ,talking to Conner
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:28am
  - Swifty
    
    It was the reverse.
    
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    November 8, 2020 9:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Correct, I was wrong
      
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      November 8, 2020 10:03am
Brian McDonald

“….it’a really, really bad practice….”

Turn off your whinge button.
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November 8, 2020 8:48am
- Tall Man
  
  Says the great whinger.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:16am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Amongst other things.
    
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    November 8, 2020 11:06pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Brian, you are a beacon of sanity in this sea of corrupted thinking?
  
  Trump must be very worried he’s going to jail.
  
  The vile creature Mitch McConnell won’t be able to save his sorry arse this time.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:22am
House

Is it just me or should judges stick to the sentence of the guilty and keep their ill informed (science around this is not settled) comments to themselves?:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/ruling-%E2%80%98badge-honour%E2%80%99

Penwarden said yesterday she would wear the conviction and the judge’s remarks in the courtroom as a badge of honour.

“I can’t think of anything more useful for a grandmother to do than to highlight the need for us all to get a little bit uncomfortable to try to save a liveable future,” she said.

Stuff reported Judge Joanna Maze said the group’s civil disobedience was in response to a “lack of action” on climate change.

“In time you may be referred to not as offenders, but as leaders,” Judge Maze said.
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November 8, 2020 8:53am
- sooty
  
  The judge is a greeny!
  Should have hosed the greenies down, get wet, get cold, go home!
  
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  November 8, 2020 4:12pm
cmm

C’mon man, you know the thing….
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November 8, 2020 8:55am
Catgurl13

Will be interesting to see how long Biden lasts?…..he’s very dottery and can barely speak without looking like he is struggling to remember his lines.
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November 8, 2020 8:55am
bruceavon

That photo of Trump with his arms folded like a petulant child in front of Angela Merkel pretty much sums up how maturely he will handle the transition of power in the White House. Like a child. I hope not. But the traditional courtesies of a civilised lunch and a welcoming note to the new president and his team look unlikely.
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November 8, 2020 9:02am
- Steve Todd
  
  But the traditional courtesies … look unlikely.
  
  Agreed.
  
  For me, the question is, will Trump (with Melania) be present at the west front of the US Capitol to witness Biden’s swearing-in on Tuesday, 21 January?
  
  I don’t think he will be. In fact, given the prominence of two of his several, unattractive, personal traits, gracelessness and petulance, it wouldn’t surprise me if he is whisked away on Marine One the night before, to an undisclosed location, missing the inauguration entirely.
  
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  November 8, 2020 3:17pm
cmm

Ardern congratulates “close friend of New Zealand”.

What???

What has “close friend of New Zealand” ever done for his own people in 47 years of troughing, let alone what has he done for us?
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November 8, 2020 9:08am
- DeepBlue
  
  He will fund UN and Jacinda’s new job. A great friend.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:39am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The US Whinestone.
    
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    November 8, 2020 12:39pm
- Mike
  
  Biden has actually visited New Zealand. Trump couldn’t find New Zealand on a map.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:42am
  - TheNecroposter
    
    And yet he couldn’t tell the difference between his wife and daughter. Are you sure Biden knew that he was visiting New Zealand ? He could have thought he went to Hawaii. I did see some Biden Harris signs in the nearby area…
    
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    November 8, 2020 2:52pm
- Catgurl13
  
  He’s a lefty, that’s all she cares about.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He’s a commie. Fixed it for you
    
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    November 8, 2020 11:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Pass the bucket
  
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  November 8, 2020 11:15am
Bob

The whole intent of running Biden for the presidency with a coloured Vp nominee is to ensure that a Democratic woman is the first female president of USA, sometime next year when Biden’s dementia overtakes his judgement.
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November 8, 2020 9:13am
- Mark
  
  I hope you are right ,she is great .
  
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  November 8, 2020 10:19am
  - Jack5
    
    “Mark” – you aren’t a new face of the shopping mall-addicted 🐫Stephiestani posters who come and go on Kiwiblog?
    
    The same punctuation errors betray a colonial English inculcated while Stephiestan was part of the Empire. A sample: space between letters and punctuation marks.
    
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    November 8, 2020 1:45pm
cmm

I see Trump is still being pitched by Stuff as “The Great Divider”.

The only thing I ever saw him divide was troughers from their troughs, which is why the establishment – including Republicans – didn’t like him.

Where are these divisions he created? I don’t see them. There are many fake divisions created by the media, but these were not Trump’s making.

Biden on the other hand is a race-baiter like Obama. Biden telling people they ain’t black if they vote x. Biden playing the race card all the time. Biden encouraging rioters. Biden pitting black people against cops.

How is that not divisive?
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November 8, 2020 9:14am
Okahu

Stevie O (et al).

You are grieving. Something that you love has died. You are now entering an early stage of a gut wrenching process. We are here for you as you lash out and make ever more ludicrous accusations designed to bolster your belief ‘it just can’t be’.

You are not alone in feeling this way. That won’t help. Take it from me, things are going to get worse. Much worse. Spending countless hours looking for evidence that what has happened couldn’t/shouldn’t didn’t will just salt your psychic wound.

My advice? Give yourself some quiet time, away from screens. Sit down and close your eyes and concentrate on the gnawing burning sensation. When it ever goes away try to think about about what is causing your misery and guess what?
Yep, that’s right, it comes roaring back and gnaws and burns all over.

Avoid sleep. You have no control over your mind when you sleep and irrational notions of victory may occur and you may wake up in an unintentional sticky mess. Should this happen, don’t mention this to anyone, ever. Some things just need to be bottled ups for decency’s sake. But, it’s alright, we are here for you.

The burn is bad. It is long. It is harsh on body and mind. You will look at your pill cabinet and consider what might work for the pain. The alcohol cabinet will also act as a magnet. It’s just too bad these balms are fleeting (unless final).

At some stage you will realise you have gone a succession of moments without noticing any problem. This is bad. It will inevitably be followed by a realisation that you are not feeling what you should and you will slide into a deep howling agonised place where you hate yourself for not feeling worse. Enjoy. This is progress.

It won’t help in the least, but keep in touch knowing we are here for you. Your endless pain then is something we can all experience!

Anywho. Must dash. I can hear my girlfriend coming back from a run to her flat for supplies. (We completely ran out of champagne last night. More required). You should see how good she looks in the new lingerie I got her. Ooops, sorry, you cant, so that won’t help!

Remember, find a cold, dark place and just be yourself no matter how absurd and degenerate and shameful. We are her for y

sorry gotta go…
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November 8, 2020 9:29am
- Mark
  
  Okahu well said my man ,even up here in the Hokianga I can hear the gnashing of teeth and the visceral wailing,National has been decimated ,and Trump is gone .Never mind national had all the support they required from the likes of Mike Hosking,HPDA,Leighton Smith,Mark Richardson ,Peter Williams ,Sean Plunkett Ryan Bridges ,Mathew Hooten ,etc etc etc .
  
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  November 8, 2020 10:13am
  - Jack5
    
    Help for National from Matthew Hooten?
    
    Mark, Hooten helped stuff National.
    
    You can have him for one of yours.
    
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    November 8, 2020 1:22pm
    - sooty
      
      Helped hide Chris Carter too!
      
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      November 8, 2020 4:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I am mentally strong. Child psychology has no effect on me. Try it on some of the unstable trolls on here
  
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  November 8, 2020 11:13am
  - Okahu
    
    Of course child psychology doesn’t work on you! That would be ridiculous! You are going to need something more industrial strength! Come to think of it. The Dear leader talks of chlorox and very bright lights being safe and effective tools. True story! Whatever you choose, we are here for you.
    
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    November 8, 2020 2:12pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      TDS. Trump did not talk of that. He was asking questions to a medical person (dunno who he was) but as usual the media fucked with it. CNN I think it was.
      Your true story is fake news
      
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      November 8, 2020 2:40pm
lastmanstanding

For the benefit of the woke Left who love identity politics I have summed up the situation as regards Leaders in NZ and the US.

1. NZ had its first female Leader in 1997.
2. The US has yet to but will probably have Harris in the next couple years.
3. The US had it first non white Leader in 2008.
4. NZ has yet to have a non White Leader.
5. The US has not had an openly gay Leader.
6. NZ has a gay Deputy Prime Minister.

No doubt others can add to the woke identity list like neither having had a one legged dwarf lesbian Leader.
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November 8, 2020 9:29am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I think some years ago Labour had a one legged lesbian speaker of the House. But it wasn’t a dwarf.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:39am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Margaret Wilson, worse than Trevor. She “retired” to a Professor ship at the University of Wokeness, Waikato.
    
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    November 8, 2020 10:59am
    - Max
      
      Bolger ended up as chancellor at Waikato Uni some years ago when I attended an award luncheon.
      
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      November 8, 2020 1:38pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I found her good as a lecturer. And as she set up the Law school why shouldn’t she have returned there?
      
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      November 8, 2020 10:56pm
  - Bea Rossini
    
    Margaret Wilson isn’t a lesbian.
    
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    November 8, 2020 2:46pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Who cares?
      
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      November 8, 2020 7:36pm
      - Bea Rossini
        
        I think Don does.
        
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        November 8, 2020 8:34pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Helen Clark is a lesbian.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:41am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Don. You might think that but I could not possibly comment.
    
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    November 8, 2020 10:03am
  - Bea Rossini
    
    … [Mod. Note: As a first time comment here, you will need to up your level of contribution if you wish to continue.]
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy
    
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    November 8, 2020 1:04pm
    - Bea Rossini
      
      … [Final warning. Mod.]
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy :Personal Abuse
      
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      November 8, 2020 1:48pm
  - Bea Rossini
    
    Is that meant as an insult Don?
    
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    November 8, 2020 3:59pm
- jon
  
  Yep the next Governor General will probably be your one legged dwarf lesbian!!
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:52am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Are you available?
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:54am
- Nickc2
  
  Item 6, more analysis required.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:55am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Even Al Jazeera on the wagon-showing old clips of Beau Biden (deceased) congratulating his father
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November 8, 2020 9:32am
PhilP

What a hateful so called man that weasel James Lame is. His Q+A program this morning is so biased and anti Trump I has to turn it off. He’s pathetic and doesn’t hide his biased views.
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November 8, 2020 9:36am
- Batman
  
  It’s called telling the truth.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:41am
  - Tall Man
    
    Telling “a truth”.
    
    These days in the media the truth has many faces.
    
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    November 8, 2020 10:14am
- lifesgood
  
  Don’t waste your Sunday morning watching that rubbish. Watch the Outsiders on Sky News @11am instead. Then you will enjoy your Sunday much more.
  
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  November 8, 2020 10:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

Is there no-one available for a bit of vege picking in Northland?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/fields-of-courgettes-go-to-waste-because-grower-cant-get-workers/WU663T7JRQVDDOYTBOXMA4VPIY/
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November 8, 2020 9:43am
- Tall Man
  
  But that couch is just so damn comfy……
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:54am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  The “unemployed” up here will be too busy planting/tending other green vege crops at the moment. Usually in small plots somewhere in manuka scrub.
  
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  November 8, 2020 9:56am
  - Mark
    
    What are you implying young fellow my lad.All long term northland residents know for sure there has never been a mareejewack ahuna plant ever grown up here.
    
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    November 8, 2020 10:16am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      You get a ut for honesty:)
      
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      November 8, 2020 10:36am
      - sooty
        
        Courgettes can all rot in the field,
        Along with brussels sprouts!
        
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        November 8, 2020 12:42pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Now, now…
        
        When we have to give up meat, eggs, milk, cheese, etc, you might appreciate them…
        
        https://blessherheartyall.com/wp-json/mv-create/v1/creations/192/print
        
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        November 8, 2020 2:15pm
- Jack5
  
  If cannabis had been legalised, a Northland vegetable growers’ advertisement …
  
  Wanted: 🥬 Vegetable pickers.
  
  Guaranteed minimum wage plus pick your own marijuana!
  
  We end our rows with best hybrids of Sativa, Indica, and Ruderalis. You get to take it home – free! The more rows you pick, the more you take home.
  
  We advertise this job once a season, so take it while you can.
  
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  November 8, 2020 1:33pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    I’ll just check…
    Nuh – not a goer.
    
    Tall Man right:
    Opportunity cost of ( GetOffCouch(J5) >= CurrentProdOffMktVal(CurProdLeg(1,+.25THC))
    
    Think syntax right! :):)
    
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    November 8, 2020 7:11pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  We will have to eat marrow.
  
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  November 8, 2020 10:51pm
Albert_Ross

Yesterday’s discussion about the impact of new build on housing costs in the same area. Some people seem to think that new build shouldn’t be allowed unless the new builds are “affordable”.

This line of argument is a great way for people who live in expensive areas to ensure that no new houses are built near them, since it is impossible to build a cheap home in an expensive area.

But it is not a valid economic argument. New build does not have to be affordable in itself, to improve housing affordability generally.

Consider. There are four houses for sale, and five people who want to buy houses. The richest buyer will buy the best of the four houses, the second richest the second best, etc; and the poorest buyer won’t be able to buy anything, because they will be outbid for the fourth best house by the fourth richest buyer.

Now add a fifth house for sale. It’s still the case that the richest buyer will buy the best house of the five, and the second richest buyer will buy the second best, etc – but now the poorest buyer will be able to buy the fifth best house.

This result is the same, whether the new house is more expensive, or less expensive, or middle of the range compared to the four original houses. Whether the fifth best house is the new house or the house that used to be the fourth best, the seller will have to adjust the price to one that the poorest buyer can pay.

There are various reasons to oppose the construction of new houses in your neighbourhood – amenity value, heritage, green spaces, impact on traffic and parking availability, etc. These are logical, consistent and coherent reasons.

Opposing it on the grounds that it will make housing in the area less affordable, however, makes no sense at all.
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November 8, 2020 10:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The point that Tamantha Paul missed is that
  currently there are old” boarding-house” flats and reconverted industrial buildings in Mt Vic that are just affordable for low-medium earners to rent.
  
  Nowadays Mt Vic is a very desirable location (N-facing, close to everything)… The new builds that will take over the grotty flats, grotty sites will be out of the price range of the low-waged.
  
  The low-waged will be forced to find rentals far beyond the city centre.
  
  That’s the point Tamantha Paul couldn’t understand.
  
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  November 8, 2020 11:22am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yup, Tamantha Paul, who’s never held done a real job in her short life but thinks she’s qualified to make decisions on behalf of the rest of us (Wgtn rate payers).
    
    Perhaps some more humility on her part is warranted.
    
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    November 8, 2020 3:26pm
  - Sacha
    
    When I arrived in Wellington in 1960, I lived in a 3br house in Newtown with 5 others. 2 to a bedroom. Cooking roster, cleaning roster. Mt Cook and Mt Vic had similar housing available.
    If you got married you moved out to the suburbs (nappy valley) when the first pregnancy happened. And tried to get on the property ladder.
    If you were really lucky you could get an old doer-upper in the city, flog it off in a year or two, and move up market, which is what we did. It took us 10 years, both working, to get a nice old villa in Lyall Bay, which suited us and our kids very well.
    Stayed 25 years . . . . . .
    
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    November 9, 2020 2:39pm
JibberJabber

Breaking News!
Democrat voters demanding to change their votes!
https://www.click2houston.com/features/2020/11/06/lizzo-says-she-will-run-naked-on-the-streetsif-joe-biden-wins-the-presidency/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=snd&utm_content=kprc2
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November 8, 2020 10:34am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I’ll say this slowly. Projected does not mean he
won.
Now take your tin foil hat off
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November 8, 2020 10:34am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Imagine being so dumb you think the guy in office for the last 4 years is the problem, and the guy in office for 47 years is the solution
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November 8, 2020 10:48am
- cmm
  
  Yup, that is really what it comes down to:
  
  The swamp doesn’t want to be solved. The swamp was serving itself just fine.
  
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  November 8, 2020 11:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The ‘Establishment’ looked after itself – fuck the people. Thing is, they don’t even care. Just want the power
    
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    November 8, 2020 11:06am
    - kowtow
      
      Pelosi , 80 years old.
      
      Long past time to retire , surely.
      
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      November 8, 2020 1:33pm
John Joseph

COVID was developed in a LAB in Communist China with the help of traitors.

To be released to disrupt the American Election.

It appears along with Mail in Voter Fraud to have done what is was designed to to.

Trump was too Left Wing in my Honest Opinion.

The Reality is the South Pacific is AT WAR

The Siege of Marawi was the first Battle
You did not Notice and if it has not been won
thousand of Catholics would be being slaughtered
but the corrupt useless anti christian kiwis
whose country has been run by liars cowards
and traitors for decades
would no doubt look the other way

After the Slaughter of 180,000 Catholics in
East Timor the Catholics of the Phillipines
KNOW HOW TO DEFEND THEM SELVES

CATHOLIC LIVES MATTER

China has been waging ECONOMIC WAR on
New Zealand’s nearest trading partner.

A War in the Pacific
That will be almost impossible to win
IS NOW COMING as NIGHT FOLLOWS DAY

New Zealand will do NOTHING
It is now JUST A PATHETIC
Communist SPY BASE
To assist with the invasion of its Nearest Labour.

IT IS A JOKE A FAILED STATE
A crime infested c r a p hole
The A hole of the world where the GANGs
outnumber conveniently THE ARMY

FAT Useless corrupt Socialist LANGE destroyed
ANZUS under instruction of his communist puppet masters

Helen Clarke insured NZ has no Real Airforce

Jacinda the Communist Cockroach

Has disarmed the population and is busy selling
New Zealand INTO SLAVERY to the Communist Chinese under the
BELT and ROADs – SCAM

Enjoy YOUR SOCIALIST SLAVERY – SUCKERS

ENJOY YOUR FAILED STATE

Before that twerp JACINDA Lectures
Australia and the world again
on Crime and poverty and everything else

SHE SHOULD SOLVE THE MURDER
OF AN AUSTRALIA WHITE WOMAN
BURNED ALIVE IN HER CAR
in the friendly Isles? NZ

what a C R A P hole

IN OLD SCUM BAG LANGE’s old electorate area

good ole LABOUR

When their Gangs are not doing gang rape

Their other Criminals are burning people alive

THE LEFT what A JOKE

They have burned many cities in America
Now they THINK they have control

If the Vote was so legitimate all they would have done was Vote in the first place

But lets’s face it these people want AMERICA

To be a BACKWARD useless CORRUPT
HOPELESS Sheep Farm
WHITE SLAVE COLONY like
AUSTRALIA and NEW ZEALAND?

The people who voted for the Senile Socialist Communist Biden WOULD PUT THE

King or Queen of England in Charge or
President XI

BIDEN DID NOT WIN

TRUMP DID NOT WIN

PRESIDENT XI WON

And he and HIS ARMY
are going to TAKE
CONTROL OF YOUR COUNTRY AND THOSE
THEY DO NOT SLAUGHTER THEY WILL ENSLAVE

AND THEY WILL DO THAT WITH LABOUR PARTY UNION APPROVAL

They sabotaged the US War Effort in NZ and AUS WW2 (look it up all documented)

They are busy doing the same During COVID
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November 8, 2020 10:48am
- Jack5
  
  John, John … if you’ve got problems with your capitals-lock key on your keyboard, you can easily lift it off with a spoon or such.
  
  Clean out the gunk, pop it back on, and you should be right. 🙃
  
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  November 8, 2020 12:13pm
- Bea Rossini
  
  The trouble with this blog is that at least 3 people agree with you.
  
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  November 8, 2020 1:08pm
- Okahu
  
  Welcome ‘teller of unending truths’ cos that’s what we should call you!
  Your post is an urgent call to arms for all those who believe a swift response is needed to those who threaten our world with their dangerous ignorance of truth and sheer, brutal, wilful stupidity.
  You are among friends here. Insanity is all around us and terrors lurk in the fetid minds of so many. You know this. We can see. If only we could identify those that have lost it completely and have them removed from society so they would no longer threaten us all with their loathsome weakness! You know who they are! We can see!
  Perhaps we can get some good folks here together and fight the insanity we see all around us? An intervention of sorts. In the public interest. Ward 10 Auckland Hospital. Ring em up. See what it takes to have the afflicted admitted. Let us know how you go. Do it fast. There is no telling when your devices will be stolen by the evil forces of the fascist state! (Be prepared if you can by wearing a tinfoil suit to stop the 5G. Damn Chinese are just using that to make it easier to organ harvest the weak). I know you know this and we have never met, Teller of unending Truths. You are with friends here. Anything you say will be treated with the kindness and respect it deserves. Again, welcome to your new safe space. For now…
  
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  November 8, 2020 1:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  John, have a cup of tea and a lay down. Or a whisky, or one of those pills your Doc prescribed
  
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  November 8, 2020 2:43pm
- SGA
  
  You know, John Joseph, my first reaction is that you might be trolling this site, but it’s become harder and harder to tell these days.
  
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  November 8, 2020 3:13pm
Prince

53 years of pain about to be righted this afternoon.
Blair Furlong and all that.
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November 8, 2020 11:02am
- Mike
  
  Alas!
  
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  November 8, 2020 5:16pm
Cobolt24

I see Trump last month signed an executive order to plant 1 trillion trees in 10 years.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/president-trump-signs-one-trillion-trees-executive-order-promoting-conservation-regeneration-nations-forests/
It seems he’s already planted 80 million during his term before this came into force. What’s Cindy at?
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November 8, 2020 11:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  NZ Government seems to have approved(cashed up) the planting of 26 Million trees, to date.
  
  https://www.teururakau.govt.nz/dmsdocument/41848-One-Billion-Trees-Fund-18-month-monitoring-and-evaluation-report
  
  Can’t tell how many have actually gone into the ground and are growing tho’
  
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  November 8, 2020 2:24pm
  - sooty
    
    Or how many got mulched!
    If they can’t get fruit and vege pickers, how are they going get tree planters?
    
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    November 8, 2020 4:23pm
Jack5

A home-detention sentence for rape, and the Leftists haven’t got started on softening up sentences …

This looks to be an ultra-liberal court sentence in Dunedin. A rapist gets home detention, and that’s after his lawyer asked for a discharge without conviction.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/dunedin-rape-case-deemed-exceptional-teenager-gets-home-detention/YIHHUECNGTVWZ376EWYEKJHJFY/
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November 8, 2020 11:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  6 months supervision for attacking and stabbing a woman out for a walk in the park..
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/123280951/teen-obsessed-with-serial-killers-sentenced-to-supervision-for-stabbing-woman-six-times
  
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  November 8, 2020 1:47pm
  - Bea Rossini
    
    What do you think should have happened to him? I ask because there seems to be some significant mental health issues at play here. What would you have done?
    
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    November 8, 2020 2:42pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Assuming that everything has been reported correctly… I’d be in favour of providing supervision /support for a longer period … perhaps until the young man is 18 or until he has some more awareness of what drove him to attack a defenceless woman.
      
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      November 8, 2020 5:48pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Remove the sad bastard from society until it can be proven he is not a danger to other innocent people.
      
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      November 8, 2020 7:45pm
      - Bea Rossini
        
        How?
        
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        November 8, 2020 8:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dominion was used in all swing states. How ’bout that?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/huge-corrupted-software-used-michigan-county-stole-6000-votes-trump-also-used-swing-states-pa-ga-nv-mi-wi-az-mn/?
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November 8, 2020 11:36am
Suze Wainwright

I know Labour had stuff all honest policy announcements going into the COVID election, but will the Cindy & Grant show be able to completely satisfy their new found support base?

So many fulsome requests from diverse sectors that fully expect Cindy to keep working miracles for them…

Will the Greens, social/left of the party, beneficiary action groups and unions be interested in Cindy’s newfound friendship with business groups? I’m sure Cindy will cope – she’s really lovely after all.
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November 8, 2020 11:42am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She’s going to need some help on those up-coming trips overseas…
  I can’t see that she’s got many clues on on NZ’s trade prospects.
  
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  November 8, 2020 11:56am
  - Tall Man
    
    “I can’t see that she’s got many clues.”
    
    Fixed it.
    
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    November 8, 2020 1:33pm
I remember when

Do our media even begin to understand politics in the U.S.
Unlike us, who complain if the run-up to the election is more than a couple of months, they are almost continuously subjected to party rhetoric.
Congress, the Senate, State Governor, nomination of Democratic/Republican Presidential candidate and finally President.
Covid daily reports are probably the nearest example we have had, and then in a relatively short timespan.
It’s no wonder their political views can become toxic.
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November 8, 2020 11:46am
Jack5

Mahuta has congratulated Biden on behalf of “Aotearoa New Zealand”, then spoke in Maori (Trumpists will allege she called Biden a senile old **** . Crazier conspiracy theorists will hear a message in Reptilian.)

Mahuta acknowledged Kamala Harris as the first American vice-president, the post’s first woman – “of colour”.

Mahuta ain’t gonna leave the big foreign-relations work to Jacinderella and be hidden away talking to Tongans, Samoans, and Cook Islanders.

The languages of diplomacy: French, English, and now Maori. The world’s diplomats are hammering Google for crash courses in Te Reo! 🙃

However, Mahuta wasn’t bad, parrying the hacks’ questions about climate change, and stating we want to continue to strengthen relationships with America. This will disappoint our Green Marxists. In fact, Jacinderella’s diction isn’t as good as that of Mahuda.
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November 8, 2020 12:01pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I think she spoke well and when asked about vote counts/voting irregularities she said it was for the US system to sort out and left it at that.
  
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  November 8, 2020 2:40pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  People of colour? Like, some of us are transparent?
  
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  November 8, 2020 3:28pm
  - Jack5
    
    The Woke haven’t grasped that white is a colour.
    
    Here’s an explanation of why white is a colour:
    
    https://simplicable.com/new/white-color
    
    However, if you define a colour as being part of the spectrum of light waves, white’s not a colour but then neither is black:
    
    https://www.britannica.com/story/are-black-and-white-colors
    
    So, either both white and black are colours, or neither white nor black is a colour.
    
    As for Europeans/Caucasians being white: some Asians don’t think so. I’ve heard Chinese describe Europeans as being pink, and the whitest skins I’ve seen were those of some northern Chinese and Japanese.
    
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    November 8, 2020 4:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden’s America will be awesome.
No cops.
No fuel.
No wall.
No prisons.
No jobs.
New wars but defund the military.
And a shitload of Taxes
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November 8, 2020 12:10pm
- Bea Rossini
  
  Good thing you don’t live there then. But wait – you live here and you hate it ……
  
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  November 8, 2020 1:14pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I live here but don’t hate it. I just hate socialists. Big difference comrade
    
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    November 8, 2020 2:50pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Edited for spelling ffs
      
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      November 8, 2020 2:53pm
I remember when

References before court from Hanna’s supporters described him in glowing terms.
They were ‘shocked and dumbfounded’ to hear about the sex attack. Obviously, that didn’t prevent them from offering the reference.
Maybe, they could have left out the ‘glowing’ bits.
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November 8, 2020 12:13pm
I remember when

What is going to happen first?
A successful vaccine will be produced.
The money is going to run out.
Covid-19 is going to run its course.
We are going to have to get on with life regardless.
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November 8, 2020 12:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Nothing going on here – moving on. No such thing as voting fraud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84QOspRI9Sw&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0oA-Fk-_JuhqpyYHkeE3qdruAoTHs7GNWy7iJdQurboByV9KLrGl7YNcI
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November 8, 2020 3:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A man that could not get 50 to 100 at a rally gets 70 million votes?
Saw my dick off
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November 8, 2020 4:01pm
- civil serpent
  
  Would struggle to find a saw small enough.
  
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  November 8, 2020 8:05pm
  - Sacha
    
    Nice riposte, but I like your nom de plume better!
    
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    November 9, 2020 2:46pm
Fletch

The voting machine software that caused a “glitch” updated the night before the election by the software company….

The election software that “glitched” in both Georgia and Michigan — which in Michigan’s case, incorrectly gave Joe Biden thousands of votes — is being used in 28 states, according to the software company’s website.

The software company, Dominion Voting Systems, “glitched” in Michigan, causing thousands of ballots that were meant for Republican candidates to be wrongly counted for Democrats in the state’s Antrim County. Antrim is also one of 47 counties in Michigan that uses the same software that experienced this “glitch.”

The presidential election results for Antrim County were later corrected, flipping the county from Joe Biden to President Donald Trump after the “glitch” was fixed.

Two Georgia counties — which use the same electronic voting software — also reported encountering glitches during the 2020 election, which caused their voting machines to crash.

A Georgia election official said that a technical glitch that halted voting in the state’s Spalding and Morgan counties was caused by a vendor uploading an update to their election machines the night before the election.

“That is something that they don’t ever do. I’ve never seen them update anything the day before the election,” said Marcia Ridley, elections supervisor at Spalding County Board of Election.

A third county in Georgia — Gwinnett County — which uses the same software, also experienced a glitch. This glitch, however, had caused the delay of counting thousands of votes in the 2020 presidential election.

Election officials estimate that roughly 80,000 absentee ballots were impacted by this glitch, yet decided to push the impacted votes through, knowing some of the votes would likely change.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/07/software-that-glitched-in-mi-ga-incorrectly-gave-biden-1000s-of-votes-used-in-28-states/

Nothing to see here, folks…
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November 8, 2020 4:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

There is still nothing bad going on …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3OS8YB8XVc&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1J1XtMvqCC9BsoSmC3hw1k8_lFv80hFN69GenAxhNSAcDzm1EBaanwcXE
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November 8, 2020 4:50pm
Alex13

Why not make unemployment beneficiaries work as a condition for receiving the benefit?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/fields-of-courgettes-go-to-waste-because-grower-cant-get-workers/WU663T7JRQVDDOYTBOXMA4VPIY/
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November 8, 2020 4:50pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Who’s going to organise them? Something like this has been tried previously and proved too expensive for the organisers. Training and holding supervisors is not costless.
  
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  November 8, 2020 5:17pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Plus those who choose not to work are a waste of space.
    
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    November 8, 2020 7:41pm
- Sacha
  
  Pay the benefit in cash, at the end of each day’s work.
  That could work.
  
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  November 9, 2020 2:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

No more posts except mine since mid day? Guess the mods have no opinion and just went to the pub/beach?

[Mod. ???]
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November 8, 2020 4:51pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  2 new ones so far
  
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  November 8, 2020 5:06pm
lifesgood

Batman is busy celebrating his God’s success. For a mod on a right of centre blog he sure is left. Probably got the worst case of TDS of anyone on here.

[Moderation has NOTHING to do with political affiliation. If it did, your comment would not appear. Mod.]
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November 8, 2020 5:05pm
- Tall Man
  
  Ahhh but it does doesn’t it?
  
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