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Captain Mainwaring

So we’ve been given the unsurprising news that Rotorua and Napier have the country’s highest crime rates and Selwyn district and Central Otago have the lowest.
But nobody is admitting to the elephant in the room. Is it too hard to admit the truth? If it can’t be admitted, then how can you do anything about fixing it?
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November 6, 2020 8:03am
- cmm
  
  Yup, it’s obvious.
  Napier and Rots have been colonised the longest.
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:08am
  - freethinker
    
    The original settlers arrived in Lyttelton and initially settled in what isnowBanksPenninsula/Christchurch & Selwyn.
    
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    November 6, 2020 11:47am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Wairau Bar, you missed the unwritten //
      
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      November 6, 2020 11:58am
- hullkiwi
  
  CM, that would be like the government agencies, and NGOs (with their hands out) know the truth about domestic violence. But they dare not speak the truth else they will be accused of perpetuating a lie for 35 years, & their gravey train will end. Much easier to blame rich WASPs.
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:12am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    There are a lot of people with every incentive to not fix any societal problem that they are tasked with addressing, and even every incentive to negligently make them worse.
    
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    November 6, 2020 1:48pm
- Clyde
  
  You can’t do anything to fix the problem when PC has extended to reverse racism and has now become enshrined in law. The solution is in our hands, but most of the population are so disengaged or oblivious to what is happening round them that fixing the problem might come down to some very deep pockets funding challenges to this racism everywhere it pops up. Maori wards, state funded Maori broadcasting, etc etc etc etc…
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:17am
  - freethinker
    
    There are alternatives as history records 1789 was a major one which seems to occur every 250 years or so – we are now at 231 years with 1914-8 & 1939-45 reminders. This next decade seems likely to be a repeat.
    
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    November 6, 2020 11:51am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Some Labour MP (can’t remember who) was bragging that prison numbers were down.
  Increased crime rate?
  Correlation?
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:17am
- Martin Williams
  
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  Go back to England if you don’t like it.
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:18am
  - Dougal10
    
    Why would you assume they come from england.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:10am
  - GazzaW
    
    Shouldn’t you put be at school by now Martin?
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:12am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    So obviously you do like it.
    And I was born here so ‘go back to England’ is a ridiculous thing to say.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:15am
    - Martin Williams
      
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      Sure you were.
      
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      November 6, 2020 9:17am
      - rangitoto
        
        Were your ancestors those terrible colonists?
        
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        November 6, 2020 9:32am
      - Tall Man
        
        Luckily for you stupidity isn’t on the moderator’s of things to delete comments for.
        
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        November 6, 2020 9:40am
      - Jack5
        
        That’s a Woke-Racist approach, Martin.
        
        It’s like a poster asking where Martin Williams (a very British pseudonym) was born: Was it Porirua? Manurewa? Mumbai? Dhaka? Shanghai? Apia? Nukuʻalofa?
        
        Or, and more likely, was it a Woke enclave in Remuera, Ponsonby, Devonport, or Sumner?
        
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        November 6, 2020 9:45am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    I’m not allowed to live and work in England, or Ireland, or any of the other countries of which I am ‘tangata whenua’. Which is exactly the point. Nobody gives a crap about whose ancestors were in a place first except when Maori have their hands out demanding special rights or stuff they didn’t work for.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:43am
    - Flossie
      
      And even when they’re only 5% tangata whenua too. They ignore the other 95%.
      
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      November 6, 2020 9:47am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      The “Don’t feed the ducks” maxim doesn’t only apply to our feathered friends.
      
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      November 6, 2020 1:52pm
  - Deagle
    
    Go back to England if you don’t like some areas having higher crime than other areas?
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:49am
    - Tall Man
      
      Logic of the ardernist is severely flawed.
      
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      November 6, 2020 10:08am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    But that’s not hate speech or a racist comment?…
    ……..right?
    Think and change the word “England” for some other nationality like say……Nigeria….etc
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:50am
    - flash2846
      
      Wish I could up-tick that many times RW. Martin Williams is clearly a hateful loser too scared to stand up for his people. Another White Wimp.
      
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      November 6, 2020 10:15am
  - burt
    
    Martin Williams
    
    Go back to England if you don’t like it.
    
    Donald Trump
    
    If you are not happy, you can leave
    
    You must feel so proud channeling Trump like that ?
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:56am
  - Yabster
    
    wow bigotory at its finest Mr Williams.
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:04am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Hear! Hear! Martin – isn’t being woke just a beautiful state of consciousness…?
    
    Go and enjoy your organic kinwa salad at your luncheon break – you deserve it!
    
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    November 6, 2020 11:57am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Police 10-7 ‘Most Wanted’ last night were 3 Maori girls, all from Rotorua. Each was considered dangerous and not to be approached!
  Any thoughts of me making a citizens arrest were quickly dispelled.
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:18am
- The Boss
  
  Nothing will be fixed. We have a government that is very soft on crime.
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:21am
  - WaynelSexton
    
    It’s technically not a crime problem, it’s a demographic problem. There’s one demographic doing 50% of the crime and they’re all having six kids each.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:46am
    - igm
      
      All living lives of Riley off white man’s taxation.
      Get rid of DPB, dole (unless a decent reason), and all the other bolt-ons that are buying governments such as we have currently.
      
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      November 6, 2020 10:32am
    - Catgurl13
      
      And then their drug problems are now health issues.
      
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      November 6, 2020 10:34am
      - igm
        
        Like sexual misfits they are in the position by personal choice . . . not circumstances or nature.
        
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        November 6, 2020 5:15pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    To get the criminal vote.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:51am
- Positan
  
  We’ve become so dosed-up on all that is “woke” and have been bent for so long to the absurd dictates of political correctness that the truth, even when it is absolute and undeniable as truth, will be scorned and dismissed as “racist.”
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:58am
  - namron
    
    “racism” in my dictionary has –
    “any discrimination based on the supposed differences between races.”
    NO mention of the colour of your skin!
    So the Maori Party, the recent start of “Maori Wards” etc are all racist.
    Anything just for one race must be seen as racist.
    
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    November 6, 2020 12:22pm
- 453mm
  
  @Captain Mainwaring, can you please post where you got that data? I’m keen to see it. Thank you.
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:36am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/11/rotorua-has-highest-level-of-crime-in-new-zealand-selwyn-the-lowest-analysis.html
    
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    November 6, 2020 12:36pm
    - 453mm
      
      Thank you Maggy.
      
      I’m bemused that a simple question can generate downvotes.
      
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      November 7, 2020 8:56am
gravedodger

That was a rude awakening, thanks be only a 4.5.
Not sure how they come to Twenty Kms SW of a city when the broody town is more than that across and since 2010/11 has no center?
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November 6, 2020 8:04am
Critical Thinker

MASSIVE ONGOING VOTER FRAUD IN US ELECTION

There is now ample evidence to date that shows the US Presidential Election was materially corrupted to favour Democrat Joe Biden.

Overnight on election night at around 4am in Michigan & Wisconsin hundreds of thousands of votes suddenly appeared and all were for Biden

~ It is almost impossible to determine if the ballots are valid based on signatures alone and some states did not even require valid signatures.
~ Ballots are also being reported turned in with no name on them.
~ There are reports the totals from the voting machines are in error.

There are numerous other process control deficiencies or gaps. This election was a mess and ripe with fraud. Unfortunately in the highly contested areas, this is not surprising. All of these activities benefited Joe Biden.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/exclusive-international-audit-executive-based-results-review-numerous-activities-2020-presidential-election-materially-corrupted-favor-democrat-joe-biden/

130,000 Ballots 100% ALL FOR BIDEN Arrived in Three Vehicles in Detroit in the Dead of Night
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/watch-ballot-count-watcher-describes-least-130000-ballots-biden-arriving-three-vehicles-detroit-dead-night/

Yesterday morning President Trump was ahead of Joe Biden by nearly 700,000 votes in Pennsylvania. It was an insurmountable lead.

This morning President Trump’s lead was down to 110,000 votes. And now election officials found another 750,000 ballots to count.

On Thursday they said 92% of the vote had been counted. This morning they now say only 88% of the vote has been counted.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/peoples-pundit-wednesday-democrat-officials-said-92-vote-counted-today-say-88-vote-counted-video/

We’ve seen some

~ Dead people voting.
~ 100-200% voter turnout.
~ 100% of vote dumps for a single candidate.
~ Late “discovery” of tens or hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots.
~ Backdating late ballots.
~ Arizona poll workers forcing voters to use sharpies thereby invalidated ballots
~ Trump leading in GA, NC, PA, WI, MI & they stop counting before the vote fairy visits overnight

Almost every “irregularity” that pops up favors Democrats.

Do the math.
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November 6, 2020 8:05am
- Ralph
  
  Gateway Pundit??
  
  The usual tainted sources.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:14am
- Martin Williams
  
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  The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:16am
  - Critical Thinker
    
    “The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.”
    
    Sadly we all can now confidently say that about any news and opinion website these days.
    
    The now confirmed fake news and fake polling leading up to this US election is just 1 prime example ?
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:26am
    - igm
      
      What could be worse than “Stuff”?
      
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      November 6, 2020 1:50pm
  - rangitoto
    
    I wouldn’t say that all wikipedia articles are falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories. That’s a bit too harsh.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:34am
  - Nickc2
    
    Just like our MSM?
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:10am
  - flash2846
    
    You wouldn’t know what far-right even means Williams. After what has been done to my people by the actual far right and the actual socialist left I find your hateful comments disturbing.
    P.S. If you believe everything entered into Wikipedia, you are a bigger fool than I first thought.
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:22am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Takes one to know one Martin
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:54am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Voter fraud occurs wherever there are voters. We have a smattering of it each season here too. It is founded in the belief that “I’m so correct, the others cannot be allowed to replace me.” The basic trick is to inflate the rolls then others can vote for the extras.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:26am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Especially when it is already planned & put in place.
    Listen Joe bragging about it.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8a2g6tTp0&feature=emb_title
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:13am
- Nick R
  
  Bless. Are you going to be ok? Hope you’ve got a nice safe space ready. We’ll all be thinking of you.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:26am
  - Critical Thinker
    
    I’m going to be more than ok ?
    
    I’m just pointing out the massive voter fraud going on in the US, and why Trump is almost certainly going to be reelected as President ??
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:41am
- Flossie
  
  “We’ve seen” ???
  Where have “we” seen any of that?
  Any proof?
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:48am
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Sure thing ???
    
    https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1324452174579949568
    https://twitter.com/Pismo_B/status/1324445619474235393
    https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1324216584219623424
    https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1324239926641262593
    https://twitter.com/realJuanCaro/status/1324226324349751297
    https://twitter.com/gerardsheehan4/status/1324050074477932546
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/04/watch-detroit-absentee-ballot-counting-chaos-as-workers-block-windows-bar-observers/
    
    We could go on and on with the now more than ample proof…. ?
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:30am
- Inandout
  
  The hatred for Trump is so intense these things were bound to happen. It is now up to authorities to sort the mess out.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:59am
  - Nickc2
    
    Authorities? Those bastards are corrupt as well! If they weren’t, Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Hunter Biden and his father would all be in jail by now. That’s only the beginning.
    
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    November 6, 2020 1:07pm
    - Inandout
      
      Nick, like this?
      https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2020/november/a-mess-in-michigan-computer-glitch-in-program-used-in-32-counties-plus-138-000-sudden-votes-for-biden
      
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      November 6, 2020 4:29pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  First fake News, then fake polls and now fake votes.
  The Trumpslide is here and as a bonus Trump is revealing the corruption of the Democrats. What a great time to be alive.
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:02am
- amospicton
  
  Even though it would be delicious to see the Dems get caught doing this I find it difficult to believe such widespread fraud could happen without at least one honest Democrat raising their hand and saying something. If it’s true there must be thousands who know enough to blow the whistle?
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:15am
  - alloytoo
    
    Honest Democrat?
    
    Big Foot
    
    Nessie
    
    All mythical.
    (/joke)
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:33am
    - freethinker
      
      Honest Democrat – an oxymoron just like a Competent Labour Govt.
      
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      November 6, 2020 12:29pm
  - WaynelSexton
    
    Widespread, Thousands? It only happened in a few large counties.
    Milwaukee, Hennepin, and Wayne – made the fraud obvious
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:35am
    - WaynelSexton
      
      By way of example, see if you can spot the outlier in the Democratic vote for President in the DFL stronghold of Hennepin County in Minnesota. Then compare that pattern to the pattern of notoriously corrupt Broward County in Florida.
      2008: 420,958 | 491,831
      2012: 423,979 | 541,440
      2016: 429,283 | 624,146
      2020: 532,137 | 617,289
      
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      November 6, 2020 11:10am
      - Batman
        
        Two can play the rigged voting game..
        
        https://twitter.com/DavidManel/status/1323921182622732288?s=19
        
        Fascinating pattern Miami-Dade & many Texas counties ’16 to’20:
        Turnout substantially increases
        Trump raw vote substantially increases
        Biden matches Clinton’s raw votes
        – Close to 100% of “new” voters seemingly vote Trump..for example Miami-Dade 1/5
        
        Miami-Dade
        Clinton 624146 – Biden 617201
        ’16 Trump 333999 – ’20 Trump 532409
        +191463 Turnout, +198408 Trump vote 2/
        
        Hidalgo, Texas
        ’16 Clinton 118,809 > ’20 Biden 127,391
        ’16 Trump 48,642 > ’20 Trump 89925
        +49865 Turnout; +41,283 Trump vote 3/
        
        Zapata, Texas:
        ’16 Clinton 2063 > ’20 Biden 2032
        ’20 Trump 1029 > ’20 Trump 1820
        +760 Turnout; +791 Trump vote 4/
        
        Starr, Texas
        ’16 Clinton 9289 > ’20 Biden 9099
        ’20 Trump 2224 > ’20 Trump 8224
        +5810 Turnout; +6000 Trump vote
        Pattern present in many additional Texas counties 5/
        
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        November 6, 2020 11:20am
  - Nickc2
    
    amospicton, take a look at the link posted by Don Beckett @ 10:13AM. It’s Joe Biden himself stating that the Democrats have the best vote corruption organisation in the world.
    
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    November 6, 2020 1:13pm
    - Batman
      
      It truly surprises me how willfully gullible or mendacious some people can be.
      
      Biden was of course talking about their polling station and vote challenging apparatus, just as Trump has the same thing.
      
      But I suppose chosing to live in a fantasy land has its perks.
      
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      November 6, 2020 1:31pm
      - The Housekeeper
        
        If your take is true Batman and Biden’s aim was to avoid accusations of dodgy voter behaviour, he’s failed miserably. What could possibly be the reason for covering the windows, impeding any hope of transparence in Detroit? Why didn’t the sheriff enforce the court order of the 6ft ruling? Why were the vote counting machines moved out of view?
        
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        November 6, 2020 4:49pm
      - Batman
        
        Because they were attempting to prevent a breach of voter privacy through the filming and photography being done by the protestors outside the windows. We live in a world of smartphones with 30x zoom cameras. As for transparency, the observers were inside, unlike the idiot yahoos outside who suddenly think they’re allowed to interfere with the process.
        
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        November 6, 2020 5:10pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Their career (and possibly their life) would be over if a Democrat whistle-blower were to spill the beans. Besides, it’s just about as blatant as it could get: in the swing states, everyone goes to bed in a Democrat-controlled polling location wherein vote counting is halted for some dubious reason as Trump’s vote-count is about to push him over the line. By the time everyone wakes up the next day, Biden has miraculously closed the gap or even surpassed Trump, courtesy of the newly located Biden votes at something like 100%. But I have been predicting exactly this outcome for a couple of months, so I am not at all surprised. The Dems and Deep State bureaucrats have such hubris that they aren’t even really trying to hide it. If they get away with it this time, there will never be anyone other the Democrats in power.
    
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    November 6, 2020 1:43pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  So, Trump predicted the magical appearance of Biden ballots overnight.
  
  No wonder these Democrat run cities won’t let poll watchers see what they’re doing ?
  
  https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/1324466969274437633
  
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  November 6, 2020 11:03am
- The Boss
  
  Count every legitimate vote!
  
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  November 6, 2020 11:26am
- curry4me
  
  Critical Thinker: But wait, there’s more:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6xOuhsiJw
  
  Michigan USPS Whistleblower Details Directive From Superiors To Back-Date Late Mail-In-Ballots Nov 3
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7vKBiPeyz4
  
  Whistleblower Update.
  
  Office of the Inspector General for the USPS has contacted Project Veritas
  On the subject of the whistle blower allegations of election related ireegularities.
  
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  November 6, 2020 12:28pm
  - Southtop2
    
    should have voted for Kanye to get Kim as the first lady (oxymoron?)
    
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    November 6, 2020 1:06pm
- JSelway
  
  NO this has already shown to be false. there were never an extra 130,000 added to Biden’s total. Biden only received about 15K votes in the area where there votes were said to have been found. It’s completely wrong and has since been fully debunked
  
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  November 6, 2020 2:34pm
artemisia

There’s a quiet employment revolution under way and it is typified by this from ASB –

“Ninety six percent of all customer transactions were self-service … ”

And it will be quietly impacting households accustomed to two full time jobs, not eligible for subsidies or benefits, and now wondering how they are going to pay the rent or the mortgage. If they can’t, then what?

ASB, like for example Air NZ and The Warehouse, is quite rightly rearranging its business to meet changes and reduce costs. With 96% of the bank’s transactions self service – automated, no front office bank workers required. No job losses, the bank says. OK, maybe, but more likely that means natural attrition rules, and the union is appeased and not slagging off the bank in the media. Unlike unions and those other two companies mentioned. Other banks will follow, if not doing so already. There are empty banks (and many other empty outlets) on Wellington’s golden mile, though not at all clear who will take up those leases. Redevelop into apartments perhaps.

ASB is to close 23 branches in February next year and reduce the opening hours of another 13 branches.The bank’s branch closures come on top of the nine it did not reopen after the first Covid-19 lockdown …. Sims said there would be no job losses as a result of the branch closures….

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/asb-to-close-23-branches-and-reduce-the-opening-hours-of-another-13-branches/LYZ36FXKF2TV2DOYKGB2AT6JXM/
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November 6, 2020 8:06am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Westpac boss said that only 1% of their transactions ( and they hold the Govt accounts) is by cheque.
  
  When I arrived in my 6000 population town 9 years ago there were 5 banks now there is ONE
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:41am
  - kowtow
    
    Self fulfilling prophecy.
    
    All the banks over the last few years made huge efforts to get people to go “digital”. Then when people did the banks claimed they were following their customers , what rot!
    
    No job losses , pah , more rot.
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:54am
Simon

If Trump can prove in Court voter fraud and get a Court ruling on “legal vote counting ” then Trump wins. If Trump cant do this then Biden wins.

Comes down to Court. The Court will legitimize the next President. Trump or Biden. Anything else is tin foil hat stuff. MSM is off the charts tin foil hat wearers.
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November 6, 2020 8:08am
pdm

Napier – electorate of Police Minister Stuart Nash.

Need I say more!!!!????
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November 6, 2020 8:08am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  You do not need to say more, but please do. Nash is a low life lower than a lowered-life sort of low thing.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:56am
- Inandout
  
  pdm, he is on Hosking Wednesdays with the National guy. Nash waffles but nothing of substance. Plenty of ‘incredibles’ though.
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:04am
  - pdm
    
    `Let me say this…..’
    
    His major contribution most weeks.
    
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    November 6, 2020 6:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

No-one is going to tackle a disturbed elephant.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300138711/alarm-bells-rang-for-little-nevaeh-ager-but-noone-came-to-her-rescue
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November 6, 2020 8:12am
- cmm
  
  The system needs a really good look in the mirror.
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:17am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    When ‘the system’ can only cough up a 24 year parliamentarian veteran representing New Zealand, whose proudest moment in all that time, is a tattoo on her face that will be ridiculed and reviled by the rest of the world, we have to realise that our system is pretty well fukt.
    
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    November 6, 2020 8:33am
- kowtow
  
  This proves you can have your cake and eat it.
  
  The media party constantly scream “racism” and literally sheds tears on tv to the accompanying panty waist declaration of institutional racism when the state intervenes to protect babies and yet when no one intervenes they run long articles to say someone should have ………..
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:27am
- plc
  
  Remind me again….is it racist to uplift these children or racist to not uplift them?
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:39am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Both, at the same time, for the same case, and for the same reasons that it’s racist to not want Maori to get more of taxpayer goodies simply because of their race, and it’s also racist to want Maori to have exactly the same rights as every other inhabitant of New Zealand.
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:01am
- lilman
  
  Thanks for that link, a sobering read.
  
  As I have told my kids often P is the end of everything.
  The end of them ,us as a family and a community member and I wont hesitate to safeguard all of the above .
  They KNOW I will take matter into my hands of that they have no doubt.
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:48am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    If your take is true Batman and Biden’s aim was to avoid accusations of dodgy voter behaviour, he’s failed miserably. What could possibly be the reason for covering the windows, literally impeding any hope of transparency for observers in Detroit? Why didn’t the sheriff enforce the court order of the 6ft distance for observer ruling? Why were the vote counting machines then moved out of view of the observers? Why are they not bending over backwards to prove fairness?
    
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    November 6, 2020 5:08pm
- Catgurl13
  
  Funny how the mother of the child is not held accountable. The mother stayed with this idiot druggy and even had another child to him knowing what he was like. No mention of the child’s mother taking any action.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:48am
- Bobba Fret
  
  This is very sad. I’m surprised they actually show the video of him being tasered. I expect there will now be an investigation in to the police who tasered him…….they will receive more training in how they should have dealt with him by talking more to him instead of using the taser…sarc.
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:52am
Simon

The difference between say 9/11 conspiracy theories and Trump allegations of voter fraud is Trump wants these allegations tested by Court. 9/11 conspiracy theories will never see the inside of a Court room.

Remember that when MSM go bat shit insane of fraud allegations.

Simples.
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November 6, 2020 8:13am
I remember when

One thousand litres of milk a second are flowing into Fonterra’s processing plants at the height of the spring milk peak.
The full flow is around 82 million litres a day, a farm pick-up every 9 seconds, a tanker discharged every 22 seconds and a container door closed every 3 minutes.
This is achieved by its 10,000-plus workforce in 30 plants nationwide, all working around the clock.
Milk Test NZ at Te Rapa does 25,000 samples a day from all over the country. The 40 staff members deliver results to famers and Fonterra within 24 hours of collection.
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November 6, 2020 8:13am
- kowtow
  
  Thank goodness for our farmers.
  
  The industry this govt and lefties want to wreck is what is saving us from the push to the “new” economy , which can’t withstand a ‘flu outbreak ( actually the govt’s reaction to it)
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:14am
  - lifesgood
    
    Huh? They voted for Labour!
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:28am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Out at Darfield (outer Christchurch) the other week and it was amazing to see the constant flow of milk trucks on the road.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:31am
  - Inandout
    
    KO, the Greens want to rid the roads of cattle trucks, so watch the milk tankers being the next target.
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:06am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Now contrast that to government Covid testing!
  
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  November 6, 2020 1:35pm
G152

That is just so sad..
Didn’t the ‘caring’ whanau come to the childs side.
After all they want to take over the job of Child PROTECTION Services…
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November 6, 2020 8:19am
- Hacked-Off
  
  I take it G152 that you are referring to the child killed by a member of its family, that Child Protection Services did not take away although warned about. If so – this is a result of the agency being damned by this Government and Maoridom if they are proactive and take children away before it is harmed, and damned by the Government and Maoridom if they don’t react and something happens to the child. Child Protection has become paralyzed because either way they are criticized and are made out to be the bad guys in front of the whole country for doing their job. Unfortunately this Government and Maoridom refuse to face up to the real issues that cause child abuse and use Child Protection as a convenient scapegoat.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:39am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Great Grandparents had been supportive and had requested help on a number of occasions.
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He had been served with a trespass notice by the Te Arawa Lakes Trust.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bay-of-plenty-couple-face-short-notice-eviction-from-home-of-40-years/BDCLZBE7S4PPIG73OM246CMVNY/
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:26am
questions

Orange man lost
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November 6, 2020 8:24am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I tend to agree, but the stories of fraud are pretty eye-opening; like the observer in Detroit that claims 130000 ballots, all for Biden (a statistical impossibility if not fraud), were delivered in dead of night in a weird collection of vehicles.
  
  Turnout has been really anomalously high in a number of battlegrounds. Would be really interesting to do some detailed polling on if and how people voted to see if it matches electoral records and turnout.
  
  There will always be some level of fraud, but has it been significant enough to tip the scales this election? Is there any way it can be detected after the event given anonymity of ballots?
  
  Litigating and investigating all this will take months.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:24am
  - amospicton
    
    It’d be interesting to know whether, if Trump can show deliberate fraud committed by the Democrats, even if not enough on its own to change the result, the result stands. LEt’s say the 130k ballots does turn out to be true. Does that just mean Trump wins Michigan? Or is there a wider punishment?
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:20am
Maggie Pie

VID: Presidential spiritual advisor Paula White leads an impassioned Prayer Service in the hope of securing The Donald’s reelection.

https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1324175651515949056

(Now it might just be me….but if you watch it on ‘MUTE, she appears to be giving The Invisible Man a handjob 😀 )
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November 6, 2020 8:31am
- Okahu
  
  That’s so true Maggie! And with actions of such immensity we can conclude god is probably black.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:07am
lastmanstanding

Biden told his supporters to vote early and vote often and they did.

The vote counters have noticed a significant number of Dem postal votes have the address as Cemetary Rd.

What do the Dems call a lucky dump?
The vote counters unexpectedly finding a large sack of Biden votes.

Senator Omar told the Somali community dont worry about completing your postal vote. My guys will be round in the morning with 50 bucks.
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November 6, 2020 8:31am
- Milhous
  
  Yes it’s amazing what the dems have managed to do!
  
  Across all these states, with different systems, but all independently monitored by republicans and Democrats,….all independently run with a huge variety of checks and balances …they have managed to uniformly rig all the mail in votes to the same extent. Millions upon millions of them .
  
  This confidence trick is SO sophisticated that the thousands of Republican lawyers have been unable to effect a prosecution despite it happening to the extent where keyboard warriors in NZ know it’s widespread!!!
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:44am
  - Batman
    
    And they’ve managed to so competently rig the entire election but forgot to rig the senate too!
    
    Whoopsie!
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:16am
    - SGA
      
      ahhh, but you are underestimating the cunning involved. They deliberately didn’t rig the Senate races as well to obscure what they were doing with the Presidential race. You’ve obviously never taken Conspiracy 101 (or you flunked it).
      
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      November 6, 2020 11:29am
    - alloytoo
      
      As you’ve so eloquently said, they forgot, because they believed the polls and needed to correct course urgently and orange man bad was the priority.
      
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      November 6, 2020 11:46am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      “Competent” election rigging would go entirely unnoticed, unlike this present incompetent, bumbling and blatant effort that anyone with a working set of eyes and ears and a moderate cognitive capacity can identify. Just one easy giveaway as to what is occurring here is the blocking of counting room windows with cardboard so people cannot see what is happening within. What’s up with that? Why would they do that, in a supposedly free and open society?
      
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      November 6, 2020 2:01pm
      - Batman
        
        Uhhhhh, because the Karens gathering outside were chanting and shouting at the poll workers, making them uncomfortable. Those people weren’t supposed to be there.
        
        A lot of these places have webcams and live results on their website. This is not a fraud of voting, you’re just being deceived by a bunch of crooks.
        
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        November 6, 2020 2:18pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Uncomfortable? Do motion-sensing security lights make burglars uncomfortable? No doubt they do, as they have something to hide.
        
        Who gives a shit about vote-counter’s comfort levels. Is it too much to ask for a non-fraudulent Presidential election to occur, with a result that reflects the legitimate votes cast, even if achieving that end makes for slightly uncomfortable Democrats?
        
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        November 6, 2020 2:26pm
      - Batman
        
        Do you want the count to be accurate? Or not?
        
        You’re playing a bullshit disinfo game to try to justify the loss of the guy who couldn’t possibly lose in the minds of the devoted.
        
        Deal with it.
        
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        November 6, 2020 2:43pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Of course I want the vote to be accurate, which is precisely why I suggest that the fraudulent Biden postal votes should not be counted. If they are, the vote will be inaccurate. Why do you think postal votes are being counted last? Because then they know exactly how many they will require to overturn the legitimate votes that gave Trump the win.
        
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        November 6, 2020 3:02pm
      - Batman
        
        I’m sorry but you’re being a moron. Or disingenuous. Or both.
        
        They are being counted last because the Republican Legislatures in those states said no to counting the mail votes earlier in the day or alongside the day votes. They didn’t allow the ballots to be touched at all, let alone merely unpacked and verified ahead of counting.
        
        This is a situation created my Republican State Legislatures. A perfect irony really.
        
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        November 6, 2020 3:08pm
      - SGA
        
        @TPG
        
        Why do you think postal votes are being counted last?
        
        They are being counted last in states that refused to allow any early counting of them.
        
        An opposite pattern occurred in states that allowed pre-counting. This is what happened in Florida and Ohio, if you remember. Biden got off to a rocket start in both (mail votes) and was then steadily pegged back as the election day vote was added.
        
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        November 6, 2020 3:51pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    The Economist has a good cartoon this week – “America split down the middle”. Half biting their fingernails and the rest pulling out their hair …..
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:23am
  - Fletch
    
    If you believe that the Democrats haven’t cheated in this election then I have a bridge to sell you. Democrats cheat. It’s what they do. Remember in the 2012 election when Romney got NO votes in 59 Philadelphia precincts? None? Come on.. Pull the other one.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:39am
    - Inandout
      
      Fletch the Dems had 4 years to plan in the minutest detail.
      
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      November 6, 2020 10:09am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        4 years to prepare, and yet this ballot fraud is still turning out to be a blatant shambles. If events over the preceding few months did not clearly presage what is occurring right now, most notably Big Tech’s commitment to censor anyone (i.e. Trump, not Biden) who claims victory before the unelected and un-appointed media do so, then there is no hope for many observers.
        
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        November 6, 2020 2:38pm
      - Batman
        
        *claim victory before the state officials and counters have delivered sufficient results for a mathematical conclusion.
        
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        November 6, 2020 2:39pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Not forgetting that in a Florida precinct (2016 election), they found boxes of votes for a candidate not of their (Dems.) choosing hidden in plain sight. The boxes were stacked up the election organizer’s office and because they came from a predominantly Republican area, they were never counted.
      
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      November 6, 2020 1:33pm
    - EX_NZ
      
      Let me correct you Democrats + Republicans cheat everyone knows that
      
      The vast Majority of US states have garbage election system.
      
      You can register in NY state with a driver’s license and not even be a citizen.
      
      The Republican counties and the Democrat counties hold back votes lie about how many votes they have and slow walk there vote counts etc.
      
      Covid-19 made it ten times worse because a whole bunch of states have no idea how to handle and process early votes.
      
      Some states have no vote auditing so you have no idea and no way to check if your vote was even counted or rejected.
      
      And its all because the elections in America are not controlled at the federal, not even the state level, they are controlled at the county level by some elected office holder, who in many cases welds god like powers.
      
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      November 6, 2020 6:51pm
- BeeJay
  
  Stop making up stories, you’re as bad as Trump!
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:49am
- NoCash
  
  Out of interest, how many Somalis live in the US, do you know?
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:52am
  - Tall Man
    
    Around 2016 there were over 40,000 in Minnesota and they feature highly in the negative stats plus are a known conduit for terrorism.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:56am
    - NoCash
      
      In that case, the $50 per vote for the 40k votes was well spent as part of the over 231k majority won by Biden in Minnesota… 🙂
      
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      November 6, 2020 11:33am
      - Tall Man
        
        I understand they are around 80,000 in number now with an average age of 24 ish.
        
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        November 6, 2020 1:27pm
- Scott
  
  Yes – it appears that the Democrat runs swing states stopped the count, thousands of ballots for Biden appeared in the middle of the night, and then they started counting again. Republican observers were denied access to watching the ballot count. Apparently in Michigan a lady voted for Biden. She was fairly elderly. Apparently born in 1832??
  
  So in my mind there is no doubt that the Democrats are trying to steal the election through thousands and thousands of fake ballots.
  
  It saddens me that Pres Trump has never had clear air to be the president. He was hounded for three years by the special Counsel and the press with a ludicrous Trump/Russia conspiracy.
  
  He was then impeached after a phone call to the Ukraine Pres asking about Joe Biden and Hunter Biden. Given all we have learned in recent days about Hunter Biden his concerns were justified.
  
  He had the coronavirus which knocked the hell out of the US economy. He got the coronavirus himself in the days heading up to the election.
  
  He had rioting in the streets in what was a mini insurrection that was funded by George Soros.
  He has never had clear air to run a normal presidency?!
  
  If he goes down that will be such a shame.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:04am
  - Batman
    
    All total bullshit, Scott.
    
    It surprises me that apparently intelligent people get suckered by malicious internet rumours so easily, particularly after they’ve been shown to be wrong and explained clearly.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:14am
    - Milhous
      
      I think “apparently “ is the operative word
      
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      November 6, 2020 9:17am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Like the Russia and Ukraine hoaxes?
      I agree.
      
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      November 6, 2020 9:30am
    - Fletch
      
      You have your facts. Then there are the actual facts.
      
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      November 6, 2020 9:41am
      - Flossie
        
        What about alternative facts?
        
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        November 6, 2020 10:12am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    If Trump is taken out by the unrighteous they will get their just reward–they will have to manage.
    Maybe that calamity is intended as it would probably confirm the beginning of the End Times.
    
    I found it hard years ago to image how truth ever could be so inverted in society at large, but it has come to pass. The Biblical prescriptions seem to be coming into reality. That is not to say the end is near, it may be centuries away.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:44am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      “…the unrighteous will get their just reward – they will have to manage.”
      
      Yes.
      
      There is a reason “may you get what you wish for” is often uttered as a curse. Labour for example are getting what they wished for – triumph in what they billed as the Covid Election.
      
      Now the daily drip drip drip of their ongoing incompetence will not slow, and they cannot blame lack of time, short notice, no PPE, insufficient testing equipment, being misled about staffing, etc.
      
      Now we have stories of infections transmitted in isolation, and whiners complaining about having to eat NZ food in a NZ isolation facility. The horror!
      
      When more people start losing their jobs (sadly they will) and taxes rise and prices spike and choices fall and savings slump and people cannot keep paying their mortgages and other expenses while iwi keep getting more money and the politicians do their pork barrel / hangi pit bribe things…
      
      Jacinda, you own this. You’re gonna get held accountable, late but hard.
      
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      November 6, 2020 2:23pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Thought it was odd…the difference between the 2 sides.
  Dems are saying “count every vote”
  GOP are saying “count every legal vote”
  Is this a little like the immigration policies?
  Dems No such thing as illegal immigration.
  GOP make them apply to come in.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:55am
- JibberJabber
  
  Proud Biden voters…
  https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1324393366688354308
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:38am
- The Boss
  
  Count every legitimate vote.
  
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  November 6, 2020 11:28am
I remember when

DOC summary reveals split views.
A summary of almost 3000 submissions by DOC on a new Aotearoa NZ Biodiversity Strategy makes it clear it must address what is called a ‘biodiversity crisis’.
Close to two-thirds of the submission were from Forest & Bird supporters.
Many councils stated goals can only be achieved with landowner buy-in.
One submission stated that in the Auckland region 40% of indigenous ecosystems are critically endangered, with 68% ofthos remaining found on private land.
Respecting property rights was supported by industry and councils as a way to secure co-operation, a view not universally accepted by conservationists.
A local government submitter said it must be recognised that mapping of sites is expensive. It is beyond the ability of some territorial authorities and regional councils to fund and undertake in the required timeframe.
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November 6, 2020 8:32am
hullkiwi

Lies, damn lies and reality.

Two things:
1. Auckland Council & Heart of the City want Aucklanders back in the city centre, Auckland’s CBD is empty compared to pre-Covid; and
2. The reported unemployment rate is 5.3%. Given what we observed last weekend, that statistic is not reliable.

Last weekend, as a family we went into Auckland to see a show with our son, we parked at the Civic carpark. These were our observations.
1. The roads leading from the Cook St exit to Mayoral Drive were empty of people and cars;
2. The Metro Centre foodhall was dead (it always was a dump, it is now even more so), over half the food court has not reopened after the lockdowns;
3. Queen Street from the Town Hall to Victoria Street is now a desperate dump, with many shops and buildings empty;
4. Business can’t be booming when shops like a woke telco (opposite Wyndham St shuts at 4.00pm on a Saturday;
5. We then drove home the long way via Devonport, Takapuna and Browns Bay – the story was the same, with many shops empty and for lease signs in the window.

The above is urban Auckland, areas that often do not suffer as much in recessions, but what we saw did not fill us with confidence.

One final note, what AT and the Council have done to Takapuna has not helped. Even worse, next year, the same is going to be inflicted on Queen Street, under the City Centre Master Plan (look it up on the Auckland Council website). The programme is called “Access for All”, and will begin with the closure of Victoria Street for CRL. Queen Street is already a dump from Vucoria Street heading towards the Town Hall, this will ensure its decline is even greater.

The decline of a once bustling city centre is sad to observe.
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November 6, 2020 8:32am
- Ian Boag
  
  … unemployment rate … 5.3% … we observed … statistic is not reliable.
  
  Could be. I presume the number was arrived at using the same methodology that has always been used to measure unemployment.
  
  Go figure
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:35am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Which says the current methodology has always been wrong.
    
    I’m not denying that there is some perverse economic activity going on out there. But you do not get businesses closing, or major employers laying off staff and there not be a significant increase in unemployment.
    
    Equally, the printing and splashing of money by the RB and government can only continue for so long, as the consequence of over pumping the money supply, is inflation. And the current global climate, that will lead to stagnation. Which will be made worse for NZ if the govt has to continue supporting failing businesses/employment by wage subsidies or there is hidden unemployment. You figure….
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:52am
    - Ian Boag
      
      the current methodology has always been wrong
      
      5.3% does seem a bit hard to swallow from the “sniff test” point of view. What’s a number you would believe?
      
      Looks like a need for someone to come up with a new “accurate” method. The result will of course be incompatible with old figures …..
      
      All a bit hard. Suggestions invited …..
      
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      December 6, 2018 10:03am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Here’s one way it might be different:
        Comparison between NZ & Australian employment/unemployment metrics. Australia changed their methodology a few years back. Made comparatives difficult for a while but not insurmountable.
        
        Country Metric (Q2) 2020
        NZD Participation Rate(Q3) 70%
        NZD Labour Cost Index (QoQ)(Q3) 0.30%
        NZD Labour Cost Index (YoY)(Q3) 1.50%
        NZD Employment Change(Q3) -0.80%
        NZD Unemployment Rate(Q3) 5.40%
        
        AUD Part-Time Employment(Oct) -9.4 K
        AUD Fulltime Employment(Oct) -20.1 K
        AUD Employment Change s.a.(Oct) -29.5 K
        AUD Participation Rate(Oct) 64.80%
        AUD Unemployment Rate s.a.(Oct) 6.90%
        
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        November 6, 2020 10:33am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Look at something like this to see descriptors etc.
        https://www.fxstreet.com/economic-calendar
        
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        November 6, 2020 10:57am
  - kowtow
    
    Moving them onto the “sickness” benefit.
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:50am
- kris
  
  MSD reports ~11.8% of people on a main benefit. If thats not “unemployed” (or severly underemployed), I dont know what is.
  
  https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/statistics/benefit/2020/income-support-and-wage-subsidy-weekly-update/income-support-and-wage-subsidy-weekly-update-23-october-2020.pdf
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:17am
- alloytoo
  
  If the City council wants people in the CBD they should stop making it so effing hard to get to.
  
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  November 6, 2020 11:51am
- Nickc2
  
  Don’t tell me all those so-called beggers have left Queen Street for greener pastures? Oh, I have just been informed they have all been retired to Luxury Apartments and/or Motels on Tamaki Drive.
  
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  November 6, 2020 1:45pm
- Paulus
  
  Same can be said of Tauranga City – dead – even Council staff have mostly gone to wider parts spread out all over the place.
  
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  November 6, 2020 1:49pm
Fisiani2

Donald Trump’s disgraceful and shameful comments about the late Senator John McCain may have cost him the Presidency. Apparently 10% of Republicans in Arizona have given Joe Biden their vote. Karma!
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November 6, 2020 8:34am
- Surely Knott
  
  Fox News seems to have got it wrong by calling Arizona so early. Will he win, I don’t know, but it still should be in play. The fox expert was questioned when he called it so early and he said it was because all the later votes would lean Biden as they were for Biden districts and postal. But they were wrong the more recent votes have favoured trump. The ny times still has Arizona in play and their graph shows trump trending up.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:23am
  - Flossie
    
    You’re probably right but whether or not one network calls it won’t change the final result. If they are wrong just makes them look like idiots
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:54am
    - Critical Thinker
      
      Voters were still in line to vote when the TDS fake news media called it ?
      
      This scandalous call from them announcing Arizona to Biden had an immediate and profound interference effect on the US election.
      
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      November 6, 2020 10:39am
    - Inandout
      
      Flossie, the dems have looked idiots for a whole four years. Russian this, China that and all along it was Hunter being guilty.
      
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      November 6, 2020 5:46pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Biden leads by about 68000 with Tuson counted (a Biden district) still 12% to count (about 350000)
    So Trump must get about 210000 of the remaining votes about 60%.
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:02am
I remember when

Has there been any corruption in the U.S. presidential election?
We all know the answer is yes!
Many will have voted more than once.
How many votes will that be?
How would anyone know. These are desperate times.
Many were determined to either vote Trump out or vote Trump in.
Desperate people can be expected to do silly things!
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November 6, 2020 8:40am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Now we know why the Dems don’t want voter ID.
  They claim it is “voter suppression”……..But only of their 2nd vote.
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:04am
  - Batman
    
    You mean like the Trump voter caught trying to vote twice in Nevada?
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:05am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Roxanne Rubin, a Nevada Republican, accepted a plea deal for voter fraud during the 2012 elections. Rubin claims she tried to vote twice to prove the system is flawed…Huffington post.
      Any current examples???
      
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      November 6, 2020 10:17am
    - EX_NZ
      
      her mistake was trying to vote twice in the same state.
      
      Had she been a NY Snow Bird she could of got away with it by voting in FL + NY.
      
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      November 6, 2020 6:59pm
- [email protected]
  
  Agree that some voter fraud is most likely but also believe that fraud would be committed by both sides. Hopefully it would balance out.
  
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  November 6, 2020 12:35pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Bros – Our election final count is due. My prediction as below:

1. National to lose 1 seat and ACT to lose 1 seat respectively to Labour and Greens

2. Reti to lose his seat, Chloe to lose her seat and Tamati to win his seat

3. No change in Cannabis vote which will drive Cannabis witches Chloe and Clark into further outbursts

4. Jacinda will rule NZ happily for ever
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November 6, 2020 8:46am
- Flossie
  
  Jacinda happily maybe – NZ not so much.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:15am
  - amospicton
    
    She is not going to enjoy being PM for long. It’s not going to be easy.
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:25am
- James Stephenson
  
  1) With the large number of green-favouring ex-pat Kiwis that have run home due to bat-flu, the specials won’t favour the left in the same way as previous years.
  
  2) The party that’s most likely to lose a seat is usually the largest one.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:26am
- MCos
  
  If National had the same attitude as Donald Trump our election results would be held up in the courts for weeks.
  There’s probably just as many grounds to challenge the count over here as over there.
  Occasionally in NZ there is a judicial recount, but that’s about it, from memory.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:45am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Is she to become Queen of Ihumatao too?
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:49am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Yea bro – Long back. Wait for your tax money to be splashed around
    
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    November 6, 2020 12:25pm
lastmanstanding

So much for the Blue Wall. Looks like Red will hold the Senate and have won former Blue seats in the House. So Biden (Harris) if he wins will be a lame duck President. And thank God when Harris takes over her far left policies wont make it into law.

As for the pollsters ( and I refer only to the US pollsters) again they got it so wrong they now have zero credibility ( they had none with me).

Biden was going to win in a landslide Red States were going to turn Blue in vast numbers.
Either their methodology is flawed or they are biased Dem voters.

They should pull their heads in now rather as they are trying to explain their failings.
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November 6, 2020 8:47am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Not what ‘lame duck president’ means. If it applies to Biden next year, it would also have applied to Trump for the past two years.
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:53am
  - Dougal10
    
    Pretty sure the senate is currently republican .
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:19am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      House is Democratic.
      
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      November 6, 2020 10:07am
      - rangitoto
        
        Lame duck is when both Senate and House are controlled by the opposing party.
        
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        November 6, 2020 10:58am
  - EX_NZ
    
    Obama had total control his first 2 years then went lame duck for next 6 years.
    
    Trump had total control his first 2 years then went lame duck next 2 years
    
    Biden starts off lame duck which is a terrible place to be as you can’t do anything as president. There will be no Signature Biden legacy.
    
    Obama’s legacy is Obamacare,
    Trump’s Tax Cuts, NAFTA, 500,00000000 federal judges.
    
    Biden’s – nothing
    
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    November 6, 2020 7:11pm
- Okahu
  
  The republicans in the senate have been reduced to acting as the [del] lackeys. What will they do without a leader? Will they accept the end of Trumpism and find a centrist accomodation with the administration or will fear of the rabid elements prepared to primary them keep them as 100% obstructionist? Too soon to tell what will transpire but with a leader who defined them for four years in a world of legal pain they are facing existential problems.
  Of course in 2022 the next Senate election will easily be waged by the dems as flipping the senate as what is required fir the US to make progress. And who knows how many law suits will land on the red team when the justice department is allowed to do its job rather than running defence for the [del]?
  All these thoughts are of course conditional on Biden taking the presidency. I’m expecting a glorious day punctuated with the howling of our local [del].
  
  [Mod. Note: You can make your point without the juvenile abuse].
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:45am
  - EX_NZ
    
    You don’t know how the US system of Government works
    
    Biden lost house seats last night that is really really really bad for an incoming president it means he had no wave and he will lose more seats in 2022.
    
    The Miami-Dade democrat slaughter had congressional democrats swearing at each other in a leaked call today. “Never use the word Socialism” f f f
    
    Also I think the republicans pick up state house control in a number of states. This is important as we just had a census and after a census he who controls state houses get’s to gerrymander congressional districts and automatically pick up congressional house seats in 2024
    
    Republicans also get more Electoral College votes automatically due to those population changes.
    
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    November 6, 2020 7:25pm
    - Okahu
      
      Bold claim to open. I don’t doubt the outcome was less than favourable down the ballot. Have another read and you will see I was merely remarking on the implications for the senate, acknowledging its ability to remain obstructionist but wondering if that will work once he who must be obeyed is on latrine duty at a federal penitentiary.
      And um, just to correct you, Republicans most certainly do not ‘get more EC votes automatically’. EC votes are afforded to states not parties. Just what state is reliably Republican is now moot. You wouldn’t have been alone if you put money on Georgia being a red state yesterday. Fast growing Texas next to flip blue?
      You almost have to admire the Republican’s ruthless mission to gerrymander and suppress their way into permanent power. Nevermind their now generational ownership of federal judicial positions.
      Anyway, you’re the one who knows how this all works. Apparently.
      
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      November 7, 2020 3:02am
mark15

Its very concerning.
Maybe there’s a large,shadowy plutocrat group that has orchestrated this to undermine faith in the democratic processes of a sovereign country because they can.
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November 6, 2020 8:48am
- kowtow
  
  Karl Rove in his commentary on election night remarked that the Dem machine has been trying to turn Texas for years .
  
  He said this time round a Silicon valley rich lister had pumped huge money into that effort, along with Obama and Bloomfield.
  
  There’s a story there that’s not being told.
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:48am
  - Okahu
    
    Hold on. Doesn’t the right believe money gives you electoral power? Citizens United anyone? Perhaps it surprises you and Rove that there are seriously wealthy people who don’t want Trump and his thugs?
    
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    November 6, 2020 4:34pm
Captain Mainwaring

Even if Biden survives his first term he will not win a second.
New Republican candidate Marco Rubio will win in a landslide in 2024.
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November 6, 2020 8:50am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Please don’t rule out Donald Trump from running again in 2024…
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:54am
  - MCos
    
    I tend to think this will be the last we’ll see of the Trumps as GOP candidates for Presidential runoffs.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if Donald’s health doesn’t pack up as a result of covid-19 and general mental health deterioration. Compared to him the others in the family come across as lightweights.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:56am
- Milhous
  
  If Rubio had won the nomination in 2016 we wouldn’t be in this mess. History will show that the selection of Trump was the biggest mistake the GOP ever made.
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:56am
  - James Stephenson
    
    The Republican’s don’t screw the scrum for the party organisation’s favoured candidate in the way that the Democrats do.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:28am
    - Milhous
      
      Well clearly they should have.
      
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      November 6, 2020 9:56am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “Trump was the biggest mistake the GOP ever made.”
    Really?
    Massive shift in the “Black” vote to the GOP
    Massive shift in the “Latino” vote to the GOP
    Record growth
    Record wage increases
    Record low unemployment
    Business’ returning to the US that they said he would need a “magic wand” to achieve.
    Energy independence
    etc etc etc
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:21am
    - Milhous
      
      Wow
      
      Everything you say after Really…, is demonstrably false.
      
      This shifts are actually quite small, the economy is fucked and the energy independence started under Obama..
      
      But please , believe the man behind curtain….it’s very entertaining
      
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      November 6, 2020 10:38am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        WOW…deluded aren’t you
        All the above have been shown to be true.
        The only thing Obama is famous for is “If you like your Dr you can keep your Dr”….LIE
        Fast and Furious….got a boarder guard killed
        Benghazi …..4 dead
        ISIS expansion
        Obama ………cancelled oil exploration on Govt. land
        
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        November 6, 2020 11:26am
      - alloytoo
        
        “Everything you say after Really…, is demonstrably false.”
        
        Yet you fail to demonstrate it.
        
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        November 6, 2020 11:56am
    - kowtow
      
      Peace deals .
      Put China on the mat.
      Didn’t invade anyone and destabalise whole regions.
      
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      November 6, 2020 10:43am
    - rangitoto
      
      Don’t forget Trumps foreign policy. Best for decades.
      
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      November 6, 2020 11:00am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Or Nikki Hayley
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:59am
  - James Stephenson
    
    Dan Crenshaw.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:29am
    - oldfella
      
      Nikki Hayley and Dan Crenshaw would be a formidable GOP team. She’s a former state Governor and has also served as US ambassador to the UN where she was outstanding. She’s also a ‘woman of colour’ which wouldn’t hurt the cause. He’s currently a congressman from Texas. A former Navy SEAL, and wounded war hero (the guy in the eye patch). Both seriously intelligent and credible.
      
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      November 6, 2020 10:32am
      - oldfella
        
        Hmm, just realised Crenshaw was born in Scotland, which probably rules him out as a potential president. But sure to be in the next Republican administration.
        
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        November 6, 2020 10:35am
- hullkiwi
  
  I agree Biden will be a 1 term President. It makes 2024 interesting.
  
  Both sides need new people and an end to the rule of the dynasties. Heaven forbid that Eric Trump should be a candidate in 2024.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Candace Owens
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:19am
- amospicton
  
  Biden’s already said he won’t run for a second term. I’d be surprised if he’s still Pres at the end of 2021. Harris will get the job. Ain’t democracy wonderful – would Harris have won against Trump? She couldn’t even get close in the Dem primaries.
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:28am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    The scariest thing is, who’s Harris’ VP going to be?
    Almost certainly a woman, so Hillary? AOC? Ilhan Ohmer? When Hillary is the least scary choice you know there’s a problem.
    She wouldn’t be stupid enough to choose Hillary though, too much chance of an accidental death for Harris.
    
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    November 6, 2020 2:40pm
    - Batman
      
      Assuming this is in jest, I’m gonna nominate the very boring option of Senator Booker.
      
      Also I’m sure I read somewhere that a replacement VP would need to get senate approved? Could be misremembering though…
      
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      December 6, 2019 2:58pm
Alboy

So, in local news. How in the world do we stop AT out of control behaviour! Between bus lanes, cycle lanes, parking fines and their general disrespect of Auckland drivers, they’re driving the residents of Auckland mad but nobody in a position to do anything about it seems to give a damn.

AA joins residents’ fight over Auckland Transport crackdown on parking over driveways
https://nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12379497
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November 6, 2020 8:52am
- Surely Knott
  
  My inner city friends voted for their local green candidates and now there is a cycle lane going on their street and they are losing their on street parking ?. They are livid…and confused and unable to see cause and effect so will probably vote green again next local elections.
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:04am
  - Catgurl13
    
    Turkeys voting for Xmas…..
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:38am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Wait till the congestion charge comes in.
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:23am
Im Right

The guy, Nate?, At 538 polling is taking flack (as his polling/commentary) was seen as gold standard and he has been blustering and fuming with excuses for being so wrong….has the USA pollsters and political commentators learned nothing from 2016?
Trump supporters do not admit they are voting Trump because of the lefts violence towards those people (getting attacked/thrown out of establishments because wearing a MAGA hat etc etc) it’s not rocket science, even we here, a hemisphere away, know that was always the case.
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November 6, 2020 8:54am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You might have forgotten this post from two days ago:
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/11/nate_silver_on_why_trump_can_win.html
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:19am
- EX_NZ
  
  Never believe Nate when he talks about Florida he can’t poll it, he is always wrong except the 1 time he got it right.
  
  Richard Barris the Gold Standard Pollster in Florida says it is hard to reach certain kinds of Republicans in Florida.
  
  Add NYT/Siena + Quinnipiac their Florida polls are also garbage.
  
  Nate doesn’t understand Florida independents and has a really really hard time finding republicans.
  
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  November 6, 2020 7:48pm
Benedict Yu

This is mistake:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/11/jacinda-ardern-promises-draft-law-to-double-sick-leave-will-be-introduced-before-christmas.html

To my knowledge the Government has not supplied any evidence to show that the current sick leave provisions in New Zealand are inadequate. Having been an employee and an employer, I would make the following observations.

An employee who takes their five days every year, one day at a time is almost certainly not sick. People can get sick for one day, but not that often, and rarely five times per year, one day at a time. If you get a bad cold you are going to be off three days.

Then at the other end of the spectrum, you have someone who has a serious problem. You need three months off for heart surgery for example. In my experience if your employer values you, they will do something for you to get you back. That might mean full pay for a month and half pay thereafter. My point is that increasing sick leave to 10 days will do nothing to help these people.

My prediction is that most of the costs on employers will be an increase in ‘single day’ sick leave.

I have not given this much thought, but surely the system can work better by changing incentives? That would mean a portable entitlement that follows you for life that you pay a premium into. So if you have not been taking frivolous sick leave, and you need heart surgery at 50, you have 6, or 9 months sick leave accumulated that you can draw on.

People react to incentives. This announcement by the PM is just going to make a flawed system more expensive for employers. And I would wager that the government has commissioned no analysis to show the need for this, or its impacts. You can’t make good public policy on some ideological whim.
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November 6, 2020 8:55am
- Flossie
  
  Agree with you BY. We all know employees who take “sickies” – usually a day here, a day there. And plenty who say oh I have still got x number of sick days so I’ll make sure I use them up.
  BY’s suggestion of a “portable entitlement” makes good sense. It always annoyed me that ACC was there for even idiots hurt because of their own stupid decisions, but some poor person needing heart surgery or cancer treatment is just expected to muddle through.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:20am
  - DeepBlue
    
    I think this is going through the full select committee process. If it does and comes out with no changes as you suggest we’ll know more about our majority dictatorship.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:48am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Yu bro – Cindy campaigned on it, Farmers, Small Businesses and Sheeple of Taranaki voted en masse. So this is not a mistake. Please move on.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:27am
- JackRabbit
  
  “An employee who takes their five days every year, one day at a time is almost certainly not sick.”
  
  You mean the spike in sickness on the days of the Addington races and Melbourne cup were not actually sickness?. Who would have thought. 😉
  
  In my first full time job, I got chastised by the pay lady for not taking my accrued sick leave when I finished up. She suggested I pull a “sickie”, in the second to last week. Clearly not the last week she said, cos you need to be at work on the last day to shout morning tea.
  
  I did have a couple of days off but refused to claim sick pay because it was a result of a self-inflicted hangover, not some sickness I had no control over.
  
  She said everyone takes their sick leave if I didn’t take my sick leave, it made it look like everyone was just ‘rorting’ the system.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:28am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    In my 48 year working life I had about 5 sick days and a couple of those were due to hangover. I also know that my long term employers would have looked after me if I’d had a serious illness but If I’d used up every last day of sick leave maybe they wouldn’t have.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:59am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Likewise, I have accumulated the maximum sick leave our company accrues to which is 20 days sick leave. It is there for me in case of genuine unexpected sickness or hospital visit or whatever. Unfortunately all of our warehouse and yard people use theirs as it accrues up until it runs out. If one of them is unexpectedly hospitalised for three weeks, they will now need to take it as unpaid leave or use any annual leave they have.
      
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      November 6, 2020 11:14am
      - septic skeptic
        
        In my experience when you look at accrued sick leave 90% of people have either zero or close the full 20 days accrued. Very few fall in between the extremes.
        
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        November 6, 2020 2:19pm
- Dougal10
  
  Most 1 day sick leave is used up by monday hangovers and early weekend fridays. Shouldn’t working from home mean these days aren’t needed anymore so sick leave without a medical certificate be dropped altogether .
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:28am
  - greybeard
    
    I think some people take a day of their sick leave to look after kids or elderly rellies when THEY are hurt or sick.
    
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    November 6, 2020 9:50am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    40% of sick days are taken on Fridays or Mondays.
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:10am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      More than that with our yard staff. Around 70% of sick leave is a Monday, and approximately 15% a Friday. They pretty much know that it’s roughly a day every second month and use it until they get leave without pay.
      
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      November 6, 2020 11:09am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It’s an old joke: Monday and Friday = 40% of the working week.
        
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        November 6, 2020 11:30am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The joke is and not or
      https://assets.amuniversal.com/3e12a740a032012f2fe600163e41dd5b
      
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      November 6, 2020 12:51pm
    - Flossie
      
      You going to tell us next that 60% is taken Tues, Wed and Thurs?!
      
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      November 6, 2020 12:57pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  No analysis is needed by Ardern R.
  She is now the fount of law, the Police her stooges.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:54am
- MCos
  
  Take your concerns to the select committee hearings.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:59am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Labour hate democracy.
    The few committee hearings they actually do won’t achieve anything. They were bad last time. They will be far worse this time.
    
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    November 6, 2020 2:36pm
  - GJM
    
    like the select committee will listen and change anything. Look at the fire arms laws – the select committee was openly ignoring submissions the result is more illegal gusn, and stupid, expensive laws. Did you knwo the storage requirements for a machin gun are less than a 150 year old, 11 shot Winchester cowboy gun, that hasn’t had ammunition made for it for 100 years?
    
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    November 6, 2020 5:44pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  What about people who don’t take frivolous, or indeed any, sick leave and then don’t need heart surgery or whatever, so never need to make use of the sick leave they’ve accumulated? Should they get extra leave, or financial compensation?
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:17am
  - Tall Man
    
    When I worked in Oz, accumulated sick leave was paid out as a lump sum on leaving.
    
    It may have altered but it seems a “thing” based on the ruling below from the Oz tax office.
    
    “ETPs are generally taxed at a lower rate than your normal income, provided the payment is made within 12 months of your termination. ETPs include:
    
    payments for unused sick leave or unused rostered days off”
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:54am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I never reached my annual limit for sick leave ever.
    
    I couldn’t care less that I may have missed out on a day off….(would have just meant more to do the next day)
    
    I’m grateful that I and my family enjoyed good health.
    
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    November 6, 2020 1:02pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      What kind of idiot would downtick this?
      
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      November 6, 2020 2:34pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Most of the posts are being down-ticked today.
        
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        November 6, 2020 3:30pm
- amospicton
  
  It’s disingenuous of the PM to use covid as the reason for doing this. If so make it temporary and have the govt pick up the tab. This is just more dumping on employers. We all know people who will use the extra 5 days as is they were annual leave.
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:30am
- Raphael
  
  The problem is if you get the sniffles now, they want you to take 2 weeks off incase it’s COVID. That means, if you can’t work from home, you’re stuck having to take an additional 5 days annual leave….
  
  (my current employer already does 10 working days, but as I work from home, I tend not to need them even f I am sick)
  
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  November 6, 2020 11:12am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dems cheated.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/watch-ballot-count-watcher-describes-least-130000-ballots-biden-arriving-three-vehicles-detroit-dead-night/?
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November 6, 2020 9:00am
- Batman
  
  This has been proven wrong so many times that one can only laugh at anyone still posting this crap.
  
  Meanwhile in Nevada this morning:
  
  “Nevada’s Clark County registrar Joe Gloria says at news conference just now they won’t complete ballot count until November 12 and that only instance of voter fraud was a Trump supporter who tried to vote twice.”
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:20am
  - Raphael
    
    Proven wrong how? I watched the video as it breaking.
    Counting stopped for the night (with a statement that it would resume at 10am the following morning)
    An Observer filmed vans arriving and dropping off ballot boxes (one using a radio flyer wagon for it).
    Suddenly at 1am they say they’ve resumed counting and oh hey, Biden has 130,000 more votes than he did an hour before. (during a time period they said they weren’t counting votes).
    
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    November 6, 2020 11:17am
    - Batman
      
      Some counties stopped and some others didn’t. This is not a mystery it’s just misleading facts being strung together.
      
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      November 6, 2020 11:40am
- Ralph
  
  The Voter Fraud
  
  Mythhttps://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression/myth-voter-fraud
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:21am
- JackRabbit
  
  Unfortunately Steve, despite being true, people will not believe it. Not because it is untrue, (which is not the case), but because Joe public and blind democrat supporters cannot perceive that people would stoop so low as to rig an election.
  
  We have our own case of St Jacinda hogging the daily briefings running up to the election and people overseas compare this to Venezuela.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well Batman says it has been proven wrong but failed to give any evidence. Therefore it is only his opinion.
    
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    November 6, 2020 11:20am
    - Batman
      
      How many times do I have to post the link for you boys?
      
      Google “138,000 votes Biden” and come back with a reliable source like reuters or the AP.
      
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      November 6, 2020 11:42am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        “a reliable source like reuters or the AP”
        
        That’s good for a laugh right there.
        
        https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/27/associated-press-photo-crop-terrible-mistake-promp/
        
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        November 6, 2020 2:28pm
      - Batman
        
        Well there we go. There is no point ever trying to convince you cultists of fact because you’ve all adopted the Putin tactic of dragging everyone down to your level based on spurious individual incidents.
        
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        November 6, 2020 2:41pm
Catgurl13

Of course this was coming under this lefty govt. More money stealing from home / property owners…..b’stard Auckland Council. Of course it’s to do with climate change isn’t it??!!
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/123308370/thousands-of-auckland-properties-face-35-per-cent-rates-rise-in-council-cashraising-plan
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November 6, 2020 9:02am
Catgurl13

That poor little girl, WTF is wrong with our system?. Why did the mother have another child to this dropkick,she failed her own daughter too!!
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300138711/alarm-bells-rang-for-little-nevaeh-ager-but-noone-came-to-her-rescue
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November 6, 2020 9:08am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Who was the sicko who downticked that comment?
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    steffy or martin.
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:05am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      The downtick is used as a Batsignal too.
      
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      November 6, 2020 2:29pm
      - Batman
        
        Funnily enough I don’t usually up or downtick things.
        
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        November 6, 2020 2:40pm
Batman

Breaking: Judge denies Trump campaign motion in Michigan to stop the absentee count.
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November 6, 2020 9:22am
Jimmy White

The issue is that the states that have ‘alleged’ fraud in their the voting process all have Democratic Judges in both the lower courts and the State Supreme Court. Many have no pathway to the DC Supreme court.
Also once the ballots are counted and sealed you can only ask for a recount not a check to see if the voter was legitimate or not. The rules for a recount are strict and in some cases you must have a vote differential of less than 0.001% before one is allowed.
This will be the election that that Dead rose up to elect a one of their own.
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November 6, 2020 9:26am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Yeah, whenever I see a “fact checker” statement saying something’s false it seems to be the Democrat behind the alleged fraud “proving” it doesn’t exist by just stating it doesn’t exist. How is that fact checking?
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Never heard of fact checkers until the truth started coming out
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:24am
  - curry4me
    
    Libertarians are right: ‘Fact Check’ = Dem Check.
    
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    November 6, 2020 12:46pm
- Fletch
  
  Right. In any normal year without the virus (and hence the voting by post) Trump would easily win.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:45am
Biscuit

Yep, Batman, threatening legal action is all very well … Winston was a master at it, remember … but unless you can actually convince a Court of your case it’s just a waste of your time.

Loved watching the once-was-saintly Rudy Guilliani going on, amimatedly, about the (alleged) crimes (allegedly) perped by the Dems on the Trump campaign. As he flung his hands about in all directions, all I could think was ‘I hope he’s WASHED those hands since his being caught out by the Borat tape’,..
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November 6, 2020 9:30am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The Borat tape had even less credibility than anything Project Verritas has done.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:52am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yeah, well Borat wasn’t trying to make any serious political point – just amuse people. Project Veritas systematically distorts and deceives for partisan purposes.
    
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    November 6, 2020 10:12am
    - Raphael
      
      what absolute BS. Project Veritas has repeatedly proven in court their undercover work is good.
      
      Just about every MSM article critical of them has had to print a retraction
      
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      November 6, 2020 11:31am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Nonsense. Repeatedly proved fraudulent.
        
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        November 6, 2020 11:35am
      - Batman
        
        Lol Veritas is a shoddily run university prank gang.
        
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        November 6, 2020 11:44am
      - Raphael
        
        https://www.projectveritas.com/wall-of-shame-retracto/ over 300 retractions from journalists who have tried to accuse Project Veritas of fraud….
        
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        November 6, 2020 12:27pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Has Borat applied for the job of Rat Catcher at Fraser House or is the septic tank cleaner first?
      
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      November 6, 2020 1:00pm
theoldbloke

No more kiwis coming home MIQ closed!

Now that the COVID fear factor is no longer needed(to win the election)
AND
A grownup Medic as a Minister(Ayesha Verrall) its about time they took the knee off the throat of kiwis coming home.

Maybe its time to adjust the system
a) Get preboarding negative tests.
b) Test on arrival(or day3 for the nervous nellies
c) If a flight arrives with ALL passengers negative. Let them self isolate(with daily checks) after day 4. Then come to a special testing station on day 13.
d) if ONE passenger tests positive, then ALL passengers on that flight stay in MIQ for the 14 days as present.

And for goodness sake allow some wiggle room for special cases, deaths, births, marriages, whatever.

Who in their right mind would allow 100% of facility bookings!!!
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November 6, 2020 9:33am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Apparently, it’s OE people coming home for Christmas. What a joke.
  
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  November 6, 2020 9:51am
- Tall Man
  
  “No more kiwis coming home”
  
  Kiwis? Yeah right.
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:06am
- MCos
  
  Thailand requires people to have a negative test before they get on the plane.
  People are still arriving infected, including the Hungarian Foreign Minister who arrived a couple of days ago.
  Personally I think the current system is working reasonably well.
  Those fishermen threw the spanner in the works and they were all pretested.
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:57am
- theoldbloke
  
  Just for clarification.
  I was one of those stranded overseas. Due home in July.
  Due to border closures (including transit airiports)
  Finally managed to get a flight back a month ago as FINALLY Singapore opened up for transit passengers(ie me).
  
  I am sure that if you actually read the world news(instead of NZ PR) you would know that Kiwis who missed losing jobs in the first wave are now losing jobs in the 2nd wave/lockdowns.
  
  What happened to the compassion that kiwis were so well known for.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  Seems many Kiwis now suffer from “”Im alright so screw everyone else)
  
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  November 6, 2020 1:19pm
  - Tall Man
    
    That is not what is being said. If you chose to make your life overseas, pay your taxes there and raise your family there then live with all the consequences and benefits of your choices. Heading home just so you can grab a benefit of those tax payers here qualifies as being a bludger in my opinion.
    
    However, “Kiwis” are heading home in numbers from India……… Look at the quarantine stats and see who is bringing what back into New Zealand.
    
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    November 6, 2020 1:41pm
Maggie Pie

FOX reporting that the Dems have requested Twitter DELETE the account of President Trump!
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November 6, 2020 9:43am
- MCos
  
  Twitter will never do that.
  They’d lose a shit load of money.
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:03am
Jack5

Any one get any idea how Stuff is hanging on financially on donations from readers?

With a possible merger of State TV and State Radio still on, will the Government drip feed Stuff until there’s a possibility of a Soviet-scale State media group covering TV, radio, and print?
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November 6, 2020 9:59am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Under the current Govt., that’s definitely on the cards.
  
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  November 6, 2020 10:21am
Jack5

The Christchurch Star reports Richard Andrew Peters, the initial lawyer for the Christchurch mosques-massacre terrorist, Brenton Harrison Tarrant, has been censured for discussing the case with the news media.

The report originates in the NZ Herald.

The professional disciplinary tribunal decided not to suspend the lawyer, Richard Peters, but ordered him to pay costs of $13,000.

Peters, as duty solicitor, was the first lawyer to represent Tarrant. He spoke to Tarrant by phone then appeared for him at his first appearance, in the district court.

After this, Peters spoke to the media, including to Radio NZ and the NZ Herald.

The Star reports Peters told the media of Tarrant:

“He didn’t appear to me to be facing any challenges or mental impairment, other than holding fairly extreme views.”

Peters then speculated on how the case might play out.

The NZ Lawyers and Conveyancers Disciplinary Tribunal initially found Peters guilty of misconduct but suppressed publication of this until the conclusion of the terrorism trial. The final decision, censure and costs, was made last week.

Law Society reports the censure:

https://www.lawsociety.org.nz/news/legal-news/lawyer-censured-for-talking-to-media/

NZ Herald report (not sure which side of the paywall this is on):

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-mosque-shootings-terrorists-first-lawyer-ordered-to-pay-13k-for-talking-to-media-about-case/MQ2TKY5BHUK5Q7SCYQRODBLHTA/
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November 6, 2020 10:33am
- alex Masterley
  
  What an unbelievable decision.
  I am astonished that the matter needed to be dealt with by the tribunal and that they in their wisdon decided to deal with it as they did.
  I am for one glad that i am not a member of that tribunal any more and that I have next to no dealings with the noddys that infest NZLS.
  
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  November 6, 2020 12:22pm
Swifty

With the forbearance of DPF and the Mods may I put in a plug for Victory Knives – especially in these tough times.

Made in New Zealand since the 1920s and with a great range – I understand they are currently exporting 50% of their production of over 10,000 knives per month.

I’ve been using their knives for at least 20 years and find them excellent and not at all expensive given the use and longevity I get from them. I also regularly buy them new and give them away to couples just starting out, young hunters, nieces and nephews going flatting etc.

A recent interview with owner Gareth Hughes (no, not the green one):

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018770917/new-zealand-s-oldest-knife-making-company

Their website:

https://victoryknives.co.nz/

NB: I’ve got no personal connection with the company or it’s owner whatsoever.
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November 6, 2020 10:46am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Pleasing to see a successful Kiwi business.
  
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  November 6, 2020 12:54pm
- Jack5
  
  Another great knife maker is Bryan Baker’s Svord.
  
  You can find some of Svord’s products, such as the Von Tempsky Bowie, reviewed by foreign knife enthusiasts on Youtube.
  
  Svord’s web site:
  
  http://www.svord.com/index.php
  
  An American review of the Von Tempsky Bowie:
  
  https://youtu.be/QMntqsjNKfw
  
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  November 6, 2020 3:37pm
  - Swifty
    
    I’ve been hunting with Svord for, I guess, 30 years – my only criticism would be that his steel is very hard and therefore unable to be honed in the bush; steeling is no good and you’ll need to stone them – other than that they’re good; they’ll last you a lifetime.
    
    And they rust quick due to their high carbon content so you must keep them oiled at all times.
    
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    November 6, 2020 5:00pm
- GJM
  
  They used to be in Newmarket, near where 277 is as I recall, and when I was at school in themid 1980s, I had an interest in making knives and they let me rumamge through the scrap bins for steel and fill up my school bag. Still got a few bits left adn some of those knives in use at home.
  
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  November 6, 2020 7:10pm
Milhous

Donald J Trump . 45*

One term President
Impeached
Record Deficits
Record Job losses
Worse trade deficit.
Spent more days playing golf than Obama did in two terms.
Lost the House of Representatives.
Woeful Management of a pandemic .
Terrible approval ratings .

Likely to end up facing Criminal Charges.

Worst President Ever

See ya…..Don’t let the door hit your fat arse on the way out .
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November 6, 2020 10:57am
- Fletch
  
  Obama –
  
  ▪ Lost both houses of Congress
  ▪ Benghazi and the death of 4 including U.S Ambassador Chris Stevens. Including the lying about it.
  ▪ Spying on reporters in AP and others, including Sheryl Atkinson
  ▪ Used the IRS to target conservative and Tea Party groups
  ▪ VA scandal
  ▪ Used intelligence agencies to spy on Trump. Obama and Biden also knew directly about the unwarranted targeting of Flynn
  ▪ Obamacare
  ▪ The Iran Deal (including pallet loads of cash sent to Iran to free US sailors)
  ▪ Fast and Furious and the death of Brian Terry
  ▪ Building of the “cages” to separate illegal immigrant children from their families – Family detention went from 100 beds to 3,000 beds under President Obama.
  ▪ NSA spying
  
  As for Trump, he has had the lowest unemployment numbers since 1968. It is only the virus that changed that. He brought back jobs, cut taxes, and brought back a great economy which Obama said would never happen. The U.S is totally energy independent now (but that would all change under Biden).
  
  If you want to look at the worst president in modern history, it is clearly Obama. As for Biden, the evidence on the Hunter Biden laptop should have disqualified him from running. He should be impeached immediately if he wins.
  
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  November 6, 2020 11:27am
  - Milhous
    
    Yeah well , I’m no Obama fan but at least he wasn’t a loser
    
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    November 6, 2020 12:06pm
  - Okahu
    
    Best wishes Fletch. Hoping your fever breaks soon.
    
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    November 6, 2020 1:19pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Fletch would be the guy in the bunker listening to the ranting and thinking to himself “the Fuhrer is making some excellent points”.
      
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      November 6, 2020 1:38pm
      - Batman
        
        I’m not going to link anyone here to that scene, for civility purposes, but that was the obvious scenario one thought of when watching that clusterfuck of a presser.
        
        Heck, even Murdoch is getting the fuck outta dodge now.
        
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        November 6, 2020 2:12pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  GDP Growth Rate in the United States averaged 3.16 percent from 1947 until 2020, reaching an all time high of 33.10 percent in the third quarter of 2020 and a record low of -31.40 percent in the second quarter of 2020.
  So Trump has managed the economy so well, that they recovered ALL the Covid19 losses over the 2nd quarter, in the very next quarter.
  NOTE: It’s going to take NZ 10yrs.
  
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  November 6, 2020 11:33am
  - barnacle bill
    
    @RWC
    Our economy is going ahead very well it seems.
    Keep your chin up RW
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/123309832/when-will-we-be-back-to-normal-bnz-says-it-might-be-sooner-than-you-think
    
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    November 6, 2020 11:47am
    - Tall Man
      
      By borrowing $125,000,000 per day? You’re joking aren’t you?
      
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      November 6, 2020 1:35pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    If you start with 100 and knock off 31.6% you get 68.4. If you add 33% to 68.4 you get 91.
    
    So still 9% in the hole ….
    
    Or have I fluffed the math … ?
    
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    November 6, 2020 1:23pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Or have I fluffed the math
      Yes.
      https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth
      
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      November 6, 2020 1:33pm
MCos

If President Trump hadn’t reacted so badly to the kidnap attempt on Gretchen Whitmer, the Governor of Michigan & the death of John McCain he’d be home and hosed back in the White House.
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November 6, 2020 11:12am
- Milhous
  
  I think the fact he is a vainglorious malignant narcissistic idiot precluded him doing that.
  
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  November 6, 2020 11:33am
  - MCos
    
    This guy explains the situation
    https://twitter.com/dylanreeve/status/1324268984431046656?s=21
    
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    November 6, 2020 11:45am
oldfella

Just got this email from a friend. Not sure if the subject has already been discussed on KB, but it’s worthy of debate.
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You might be interested to know that local bodies (Councils, regional authorities etc) can make constitutional changes without consulting the community.
For instance, they can introduce Maori Wards without the public having any opportunity to vote for them. They can make these changes without consulting the public or they can run a referendum of their constituents.
Currently at least six councils have decided to move to introduce unelected Maori on Council which reduces the number the public can vote for.
This includes New Plymouth Council despite them holding a referendum where 83% voted against it.
Also doing the same are without consulting the public are: Tauranga, Kaipara, Whangarei.
Ruapehu and Far North District Council are considering asking their constituents by referendum.
We can currently force our Councils to hold a referendum by getting 5% of the constituents to sign a petition.
The Hon Nanaia Mahuta, now Minister for Foreign Affairs, has retained the Local Government portfolio. She has announced that for the public to be able to call for a referendum is an anomaly and that she already has everything in place to remove the option and will do so soon.
Interestingly, it was Helen Clark who introduced the referendum option to prevent councils from abusing their powers.
Legislated racism is alive and well in this country and is about to be stepped up. Watch the next three years and just remember – I DIDN’T VOTE FOR THEM.
I also believe that most Maori do not support such proposals. This is being driven by Maori activists who ultimately are pushing for Maori sovereignty.
Local body elections 2 years away!
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November 6, 2020 11:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/430010/mahuta-vows-to-clear-obstacles-to-creating-maori-council-wards
  
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  November 6, 2020 2:28pm
  - Jack5
    
    So Maori are going to impose Maori-only wards on local bodies. No votes whether people want to have apartheid councils, they will be enforced.
    
    New Zealand’s apartheid grows more like the original.
    
    Some of the remoter parts of the south have barely any Maori living in them. Yet they will have Maori wards?
    
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    November 6, 2020 3:43pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  oldfella – you shouldn’t press my buttons like this because I know it’s going to be bad for my BP.
  Firstly, minor correction: FNDC HAVE put it to a elector vote in 2022. A young activist indigenous council member voted in last year has gone ape shit. So in a way not unhappy as we get to vote.
  WDC have instead voted for indigenous wards, as has NRC (regional body). Interesting thing there was that a highly respected regional councilor (and ex chair I’m pretty sure) summarily tabled his resignation and walked out of the meeting based on the lack of democracy of the council. So for these two bodies 5% petition for referendum before 22 Feb 21 required. As you might guess I’m a rate payer for all three bodies so shouldn’t be a problem -not. Mahuta is going to remove the democratic option, and given the the time frame I would almost guarantee that it will be done under urgency in order that the wards take effect in 2022.
  But this where my BP comes into play. In Northland over 50% of the population identifies as indigenous. FNDC also has one of the country’s worst indigenous land rate delinquency levels and people like me have to make up the difference ( because we are easy single owner targets for “recovery” if we don’t cough up) meaning I pay ~1.16 of my RV for sfa being in a rural coastal town. If the indigenous population paid their rates and put up credible candidates it is unlikely they would need special wards because they would get voted in anyway. Most people would probably be reasonably happy up here.
  Going to go take some BP tablets (or something stronger).
  
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  November 6, 2020 3:06pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Duh Try ~1.16%
    
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    November 6, 2020 3:35pm
rangitoto

Looks like the second wave has already peaked in the UK – even though they are proceeding with the lockdown. I notice the Sweden second wave is on the way down. The Sweden stats show hardly a blip in the death rate – only just above the background noise. The models the UK govt are being scared by are seriously wrong.
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November 6, 2020 11:38am
- kowtow
  
  One has to wonder , given the death rate is so low , is the second wave a creation of a testing regime ie the more you test the more you find.
  
  Reports from England indicate that hospitals are less busy now than they were this time last year .
  
  Something just does not add up.
  
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  November 6, 2020 12:08pm
  - alloytoo
    
    a pandemic with a 99% survival rate?
    
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    November 6, 2020 12:13pm
    - Tall Man
      
      99.5……….
      
      And 85% have to be tested before they even know they have it.
      
      A con of the highest order.
      
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      November 6, 2020 1:31pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Something rotten in the state of Wisconsin, and Michigan (look at the graphs over time of reported votes):
https://twitter.com/AndySwan/status/1323990699017228288

A couple of huge jumps in Dem vote numbers, at 4-6am in the morning, with no corresponding smaller increment in Rep votes. Very very suspicious, to the point of being clear evidence of fraud.
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November 6, 2020 11:42am
- Milhous
  
  OMG your correct…have you called the local police???
  
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  November 6, 2020 12:07pm
  - gorse
    
    You’re
    
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    November 6, 2020 12:31pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  At this point it’s basically mathematically impossible for this not to be clear evidence of massive voter fraud.
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmFuMi5XUAAD3j6?format=png
  
  Experts Call For 15 Days Of Counting To Flatten The Curve Of Votes For Trump
  https://babylonbee.com/news/experts-call-for-15-days-of-counting-to-flatten-the-curve-of-votes-for-trump
  ?
  
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  November 6, 2020 12:18pm
- Fletch
  
  This should definitely be called into question. One could make the excuse that they started counting the mail-in ballots then but that doesn’t explain the sudden spike of thousands of votes instantaneously.
  
  Presumably they were counting as as fast as they could before that, hence the steady curve, but a sudden jump like that all of a sudden is improbable. You don’t count/add thousands of votes in an instant.
  
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  November 6, 2020 12:42pm
Batman

I see that Steve Bannon has just advocated on his youtube show for Dr Fauci and Director Wray to be beheaded as a warning to other federal employees.

So clearly the Trump universe is taking everything well and not at all sliding down the insanity plughole.
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November 6, 2020 11:52am
Maggie Pie

Donald Jr. is calling for “…..total war”

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1324473707121778688

MAGA!!
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November 6, 2020 12:38pm
- Batman
  
  and following that tweet, even the New York Post is disembarking the sinking ship. They’ve just posted as article calling him panicked
  
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  November 6, 2020 12:56pm
curry4me

CCP Turns On Jack Ma.

He used to be a loyal member of the CP. But he said
something about technological regulations. He
expressed a contrary opinion, and is no longer
on the presitators Christmas card list. Now, ANT group
can’t list on the stock exchange.
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November 6, 2020 12:51pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-gjdObagN7Q/

Drug War Ending.

Marijuana decriminalization has won where it was
on the ballot. In Oregon, the whole has been
legalized by default. Bad news for gang bangers, and
other branches of organized crime. Drug laws didn’t
exist for the first 100 years of US history. Then, the
prohibitionists went after opium, booze, and dope.
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November 6, 2020 12:52pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Oregon is amazing news for gangs (it’s still illegal to sell by the way).
  All of their customers are now under no threat of legal action. That means there is no way to turn them to go after the sellers. It also means there is less risk for buyers = more demand.
  
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  November 6, 2020 1:54pm
  - Harriet
    
    LOL —- customers in nearby states will go to Oregon to get drugs as they will be cheaper to buy from Oregon dealers due to competition.
    
    I wouldn’t want to be a drug dealer in Oregon, as any customer could be the out of town competition – and they ain’t going to meet you somewhere in the dark to buy drugs – as they have something else in mind, to shoot you. 😎
    
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    November 6, 2020 7:04pm
Batman

Trump sounds like Hitler in the bunker. Rambling, incoherent, and living in a fantasy world of his own imagination.

Sad. Clearly the dementia is scrambling his brain.
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November 6, 2020 12:57pm
- Tall Man
  
  Pretty sure there is only one candidate with dementia as an issue and it ain’t Trump.
  
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  November 6, 2020 1:29pm
  - Batman
    
    Did you watch trump just now?
    
    If it’s not dementia then it’s the borderline personality disorder failing him.
    
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    November 6, 2020 1:34pm
    - Fletch
      
      He seemed pretty cogent to me…
      
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      November 6, 2020 2:23pm
      - Batman
        
        You must enjoy a mad king then.
        
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        November 6, 2020 2:43pm
Fletch

In Georgia, Trump only has a lead of 3,635 votes now. With 99% of voting done. It’s close.
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November 6, 2020 1:10pm
Critical Thinker

President Trump just now:

“If you count the legal votes, I easily win.
There was no blue wave that they predicted. They thought that was going to a big blue wave. That was false. But instead there was a big red wave.
We lost zero races in the House.
This was the year of the GOP woman.
We were winning in all the key locations by a lot, actually, and then our numbers started miraculously getting whittled away in secret and they wouldn’t allow legally permissible observers.
Our goal is to defend the integrity of the election, we will not allow corruption to steal any election for that matter. And we can’t allow anybody to silence our voters and manufacture results.
This is a case where they’re trying to steal an election. They’re trying to rig an election, and we can’t let that happen.
Democrat officials never believed they could win this election honestly. I really believe that. That’s why they did the mail-in ballots where there is tremendous corruption and fraud going on.
They refused to include any requirement to verify signatures. Identities or even determine whether they are eligible or ineligible to vote.
There will be a lot of litigation. We can’t have an election stolen.”
https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1324499926127120384
https://twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1324502155492032513
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November 6, 2020 1:10pm
- Batman
  
  The emperor is alone in the bunker with his most loyal disciples, making broadcasts about how Berlin will be held and the evil forces repelled.
  
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  November 6, 2020 1:33pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    There will be a Downfall parody video soon of Trump explaining his election defeat.
    
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    November 6, 2020 1:36pm
    - Batman
      
      There’s already been one doing the rounds following his initial bunker-briefing.
      
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      November 6, 2020 2:13pm
- SGA
  
  and they wouldn’t allow legally permissible observers.
  
  If this refers to the legal cases in Phillie, that’s a distortion. The legal battle was over how close the observers (Rep and Dem) were allowed to stand to the sorters.
  
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  November 6, 2020 1:38pm
Fletch

Tweeted by Nate Cohn –

Trump’s lead in Georgia now under 4000 votes after Chatham absentees report.
Might still be about 20000 votes left throughout the state, based on the earlier tallies from the secretary of state. Hard to think Biden wouldn’t find another 3700 votes
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November 6, 2020 1:22pm
- Inandout
  
  Find 3700 votes? Now where can he start looking?
  
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  November 6, 2020 2:02pm
Okahu

Holy duck. I got modded today for describing Trump as a …( guano tossing simian).

Seems Trump has just proved he isn’t fit to be included in that esteemed evolutionary line.
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November 6, 2020 1:40pm
- Batman
  
  Look, I’ve called Trump all sorts of names but I baulked at your description of him.
  
  And no I was not the person who moderated your comment!
  
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  November 6, 2020 2:10pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Funny – I used that word a.. elsewhere today and didn’t get modded. As in “simian shit” in a context. Bad luck there mate! 🙂
  
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  November 6, 2020 4:22pm
Aunty

Question. Now that the Trump Presidency has almost ended, will Donald Trump go down in history as America’s Mad President?
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November 6, 2020 1:45pm
- Fletch
  
  That is reserved for Dementia Biden.
  
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  November 6, 2020 2:22pm
BananaLlama

What a third world election. Good luck to who ever wins that shitshow.
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November 6, 2020 2:02pm
JibberJabber

Call your doctor if you have an election lasting more than four days.

I think the medical term is Poliapism…
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November 6, 2020 2:29pm
I remember when

The Government Printing Office is the ‘elite’ example of the use of sick days.
It was an accepted fact that the Government Printing Office had trouble meeting deadlines.
Prior to it being sold to Graeme Hart they had exceptional absenteeism on Mondays and Fridays.
In order to catch up with the lost output the staff had to do overtime during the week.
By doing this the staff managed to maintain their income level.
So the cheap purchase price wasn’t the only reason Graeme Hart was able to make it a ‘darling’ of the Stock Market.
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November 6, 2020 2:50pm
bruceavon

Tragic speech from Trump. He seems to blame everyone but himself. And as a conservative, “personal responsibility” seems to be a foreign concept and he manages to flip to “I have been treated so unfairly” very easily. He keeps going on about getting observers in the counting places but they already have a 50/50 mix of Democrat and Republican watchers and contested votes are decided by one of each and an independent. His lawsuits are all over the place. If he loses Georgia they need to stage an intervention. Get him to accept democracy.
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November 6, 2020 3:06pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Republicans have been very quiet so wait and see. If there is evidence to back up his claims it will provide them the fig leaf they need otherwise he will get pushed out.
  
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  November 6, 2020 3:37pm
- Fletch
  
  TBH, I don’t think anyone in their right mind thinks this was a free and fair election. A lot of fraud occurring. The virus happening was a gift to the Democrats, who used it as cover for the mail voting which could easily be exploited.
  
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  November 6, 2020 4:04pm
  - bruceavon
    
    Zero evidence. The other point about voter fraud is there is little evidence of it occurring in the US and when it does happen it occurs on both sides. If you listen to Trump you would assume it is 100% Democrat. In fact the biggest instances were republicans. The reason all the mail in votes are Democrat is Trump told his supporters not to do it and to vote on the day. And in these key states the votes on the day were counted first. Biden will get Georgia and Pennsylvania so the sheer numbers will make the fraud accusations irrelevant. Georgia also all Republican leadership. Not that it matters.
    
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    November 6, 2020 4:47pm
waripori

In 2016 Jill Stein and the Greens were blamed a bit for Clinton losing. Interesting this time that The Libertarian vote is higher than the likely difference between Biden and Trump in Wisconsin,Pennsylvania,Georgia , Arizona and Nevada and Biden seems likely to win all those except maybe Arizona ( which would be embarrassing for Fox ). The margins may finish up bigger than that once all the provisionals ( which may be mostly voters who requested a mail in ballot and then voted in person as these votes need to be checked to ensure voters have not voted twice) but at the moment the Libertarians may have cost Trump his job. They are mostly people who would not have voted for him anyway but presumably more Right than Left.
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November 6, 2020 3:42pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING…@4:13pm

For all those ‘Doubting Tomases’ out there…. Fox’s Laura Ingraham just showed seven sealed Ballot Papers that were discovered hidden under a rock.

Just saying.
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November 6, 2020 4:18pm
- Batman
  
  Hidden under a rock? Fuck they are getting desperate.
  
  Meanwhile in the real world:
  
  “That video Ted Cruz retweeted earlier today to his 4mil followers? Man in it made a bunch of false claims.
  
  He a Republican and not a Democrat & got kicked out of the ballot counting room in Philly bc he refused to stop filming, ppl there said.”
  
  More:
  https://t.co/llc8G0E1SC
  
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  November 6, 2020 4:20pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The thing is Batz, surely this is endemic of a much wider problem?
    When you consider the total land area of the US is some 10,000,000 sq kms…..well you do the math!
    
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    November 6, 2020 4:39pm
    - Ralph
      
      Maggie Pie , endemic of a much larger problem” ?
      
      Like making misleading claims of ” found ballots ” Twisting out of context Biden’s comments on Voter Fraud”, misleading stats on voter turnout etc , etc.
      
      Batman has provided a most useful link that debunks Trump’s and his supooters outrageous voter fraud etc claims.
      
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      November 6, 2020 6:55pm
Tom Barker

Trump and his supporters evidently got tired of winning.
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November 6, 2020 4:19pm
- Ralph
  
  Tired of winning ???
  
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  November 6, 2020 6:56pm
Fletch

Trump down to ~1800 lead in GA.
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November 6, 2020 4:26pm
70andstilllearning

Interesting observation flipping between windows:
Alaska, a very red, predominately First Nation demographic that has done very well out of settlements.
Diagonally across the Pacific a very red demographic than has generally wasted similar settlements.
Have I missed something here?
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November 6, 2020 4:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The United Spot – Trump parody.
https://fb.watch/1AyrGRqmmS/
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November 6, 2020 5:31pm
Harriet

Biden and Harris won’t be implementing in 4yrs what Obama couldn’t implement in 8yrs.

And in the meantime Blaxit will get bigger and bigger – until the momentum of African Americans leaving the Democrats will return the Republicans to office for 2 decades or more.

The Republicans won’t be stupid enough to wear KKK hoods, make lynching ropes, and treat blacks like plantation workers. 😎
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November 6, 2020 5:32pm
- Fletch
  
  Biden will be a disaster. The U.S will be back into the Paris Climate Accord, the Iran deal will be back on, The U.S embassy in Israel will be shifted back, etc.
  
  And can you see Biden dealing with North Korea? Telling Kim, “c’mon man, feel my leg hair” ain’t gonna work. Kim knows Biden is a weak Democrat and will have Biden dancing to his tune. The world will be a much more dangerous place.
  
  Then there are the tax cuts they will end. Packing the court. Open borders. Ending the filibuster and the Electoral College (though the last maybe not since it served them this time). The ending of fracking and the implementation of the Green New Deal and carbon zero stuff. Gas prices will triple. There may be brown outs. The U.S will have to start buying oil from the Arabs again. The end of the suburbs.
  
  And as for the virus? The Democrats have no idea about how to combat it. All they do is give out money. The states with Democrat governors have fared the worst. I can’t see what else they’d do.
  
  After a short time, people will be begging for Trump back.
  
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  November 6, 2020 6:21pm
  - Harriet
    
    Presidents are always tested militarily – and Biden is going to get his international ass kicked into touch.
    
    Iran, China, Russia, Kim, Muslims…….
    
    …….and Harris is the answer if Biden isn’t?
    
    C’mon woman, fight! 😎
    
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    November 6, 2020 6:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Trump is the 1st US President in my lifetime who has not leapt boots’n all into military engagements with Foreign countries.
    
    I suspect the US will revert to a bellicose nature in the near future.
    
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    November 6, 2020 7:18pm
    - Mike
      
      You possibly don’t realise that the number of US troops deployed in the middle east has increased under his presidency.
      
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      November 6, 2020 7:38pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I do realise that, you’ve already provided that information… don’t you remember?
        
        My point is that Trump hasn’t gone poking US into new disputes.
        
        his defenders insist he deserves credit for avoiding any major new U.S. interventions, making him the first president in decades to do so,
        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/11/us/politics/trump-troop-withdrawals-war.html
        
        He has been trying to get US troops out of “endless wars”
        
        https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-middle-east-islamic-state-group-donald-trump-iraq-a6d9550ea12d041436dda09f30873f55
        
        I’m sure there are interests trying to stall his efforts at every chance.
        
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        November 6, 2020 9:49pm
    - Ralph
      
      “I suspect the US will revert to a bellicose nature in the near future”
      
      On what grounds? Recalling also Trump supported the invasion of Iraq and bombing Of Libya.
      
      There is also the ongoing civil war in Yemen.
      
      https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/trump-administration-kills-coldly-yemen-putting-jobs-lives
      
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      November 6, 2020 9:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yemen’s misery began long before Donald Trump was born.
        
        http://origins.osu.edu/article/yemen-civil-war-houthi-humanitarian-crisis-arabia-zaydi
        
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        November 6, 2020 10:10pm
  - Mike
    
    Do you think Biden will be boasting about falling in love with Kim?
    
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    November 6, 2020 7:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From the US.
I’ve noticed that everyone who owns a boat is a Trump Supporter. That’s because there is no Govt program that gives boats away. You have to work to get a boat, like me.
Oh wait, there are many boats out in Auckland with many younger people on them during the week. I see it – semi retired. How the fuck do you buy a boat and trailer on the dole? Honest answers only
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November 6, 2020 6:09pm
- Ralph
  
  Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Honest answers??
  
  Like here,
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/24/more-enthusiastic-than-2016-voters-standing-by-donald-trump
  
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  November 6, 2020 6:58pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123317791/city-councillor-removes-tweet-calling-public-submitters-absolute-knobs
Yet another reason why people standing for Local Government positions should have some sort of filter applied.
This young maori woman has a real problem with authority, with white males, with laws, with social mores.
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November 6, 2020 6:35pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Well. It’s helpful that these racist fuck-witted ignorant and stupid enemies of the general populace pre-emptively self-identify.
  
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  November 6, 2020 7:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She also has a problem with basic comprehension.
  She completely failed to understand the point the submitters were making about poor folk being shunted out of the suburb.
  
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  November 6, 2020 7:07pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Those comments demonstrate the depths to which the quality of political discourse has sunk.
    And the woman doubles down in comments made to the paper. Those comments demonstrate her obvious limitations as human being.
    
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    November 6, 2020 8:33pm
- Tall Man
  
  Love to see the people that voted for her.
  
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  November 6, 2020 8:21pm
tranquil

A **stunning** video here about US “voter fraud” (the video isn’t about the 2020 election but about voter fraud in general) –
https://www.prageru.com/video/is-voter-fraud-real/?submission=5fa4db6c012a7c00145186a0

Highlights –
The video says that the Pew Research Center found that **24 million** voter registrations in the U.S. are either “invalid or significantly inaccurate.” They also found that nearly **3 million** people are believed to be registered to vote in more than one state. ( Ok, I don’t like the use of the term “believed to be” either, but anyway…… ).

Stunning revelation in the video – in an undercover investigation, New York City detectives made 63 attempts to cast illegal ballots, based on flawed voter rolls. They were successful in **61** of those 63 attempts!
Similar investigations in other cities and states produced similar results.

A stunning thing the video mentions is that “ballot harvesting” is now legal in California! (The video gives details of how it works).
The video says that “in the first major election after ballot-harvesting was allowed in California, Democrats won **every single Congressional seat** in Orange County – despite that county having been a **Republican stronghold** for decades!
Now, ok – that isn’t **proof** of fraud, but it’s a “remarkable coincidence” with the legalising of ballot-harvesting.

( With that kind of stuff happening, how on earth you can have ANY fraud-free elections in the US is a mystery…… ).
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November 6, 2020 6:45pm
Don Beckett

Thousands of 100+ year old voters found in Detroit:

https://mobile.twitter.com/PhocaeanD/status/1324531466404044801

Here is the list, in case the tweet gets taken down:

https://pastebin.com/zjz6nm6Q

Note that the list has been marked as “potentially offensive.”

Most names on the list haven’t been confirmed dead (though it’s pretty safe to assume the ones over 110 are), but still very suspicious.
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November 6, 2020 7:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear..

Our quarantine facilities seem a bit buggy…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/123328710/covid19-new-case-in-auckland-community

Might be time to offer the quarantine workers some decent equipment…
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November 6, 2020 8:25pm
Engelbert Humperdink

Yep. I’m only in my 7th decade… and reality is that I Am A Minority.
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