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mikenmildagain

Happy World Keratoconus Day!
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November 10, 2020 8:00am
- rouppe
  
  Not sure why one would be happy about having that condition….
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:17am
- BeeJay
  
  That one’s an eye opener, Mikey!
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:23am
Maggie Pie

Short Pfizer
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November 10, 2020 8:02am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Disclaimer: Not intended as finanacial advice. Just happened to overhear my partner on the phone to his broker.
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:34am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Any vaccine that the supplier will not accept legal responsibility for is not acceptable.
    
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    November 10, 2020 8:38am
    - C J Southern
      
      Would you prefer the same vaccine only be made available in 10 years to that they’ve had the time to do enough testing to get enough data?
      
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      November 10, 2020 10:19am
      - mark15
        
        Yes.
        
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        November 10, 2020 11:13am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        The Medicines Act expects it.
        
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        November 10, 2020 12:31pm
      - Crisplion
        
        I will not be allowing my children to be guinea pigs for a vaccine that hasn’t been properly tested, to immunise them against a disease that’s harmless to them.
        
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        November 10, 2020 1:03pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Watch Biden claim all of Trumps work.
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:34am
  - amospicton
    
    Surprising that this came out just after the election???
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:06am
  - MCos
    
    Mike Pence got in first:
    
    HUGE NEWS: Thanks to the public-private partnership forged by President @realDonaldTrump, @pfizer announced its Coronavirus Vaccine trial is EFFECTIVE, preventing infection in 90% of its volunteers.
    
    To this point it doesn’t seem Pfizer has received any government money, but once the vaccine is approved it will so that it can be distributed for free, as I understand this article.
    https://www.newsweek.com/pfizer-covid-vaccine-operation-warp-speed-trump-pence-1546024
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:17am
  - SB2
    
    Like Trump’s Covid 19 initiative ?
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:54am
    - cmm
      
      90%+ of CV19 related issues come down to what states do – not the Federal govt.
      
      The Feds control little:
      1) Borders – Trump was shutting those down even while the swampsters were saying there was no need and Pelosi was hugging in people in China town.
      2) Federal aid – Trump sends help to NYC but the governor refused.
      3) Boosting medical research.
      
      Not much else a Federal govt can do unless they overthrow the state governor.
      
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      November 10, 2020 12:46pm
Kiwiladdy

Given the reaction to David’s tweet (https://twitter.com/dpfdpf/status/1325639369219170305) – I wonder if he wakes up this morning a little more of a Trump supporter than he was yesterday?

Ah the left, as friendly and uniting as ever.
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November 10, 2020 8:04am
- Durden
  
  LoL.
  
  Because his Twitter bio does not say “Fomenting Happy Mischief”. Tiny Twitter bubbles theory in full action.
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:37am
- Fletch
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcb4_QwP6fE
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:55am
- David George
  
  Why anyone would want to have anything to do with the shitshow that is twitter is beyond me. I read dozens of those responses, left me wondering if there’s any hope for humanity.
  
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  November 10, 2020 9:12am
  - C J Southern
    
    Agreed. So many people documenting their stupidity for the world to see.
    
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    November 10, 2020 10:22am
Critical Thinker

CNN Fareed Zakaria: Potential Path To Trump Victory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBgw-eEK30w

THIS IS NOT OVER BY A LONG SHOT
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November 10, 2020 8:06am
- GazzaW
  
  Dream on CT. This is all done and dusted. Wall Street has spoken.
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:30am
- Nukuleka
  
  Isn’t it interesting that in 2016 Democrats said that the Presidential voting process in the US was flawed and open to corruption- and then spent the next 4 years trying to prove it. And in 2020 the same Democrats say that the US election process is above reproach and that the results must be respected.
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:32am
  - MCos
    
    Donald Trump also said millions of fraudulent ballots were cast in 2016. That time he reckoned it was illegal immigrants. Yeah! Illegal immigrants voted went up the yell from his groupies.
    Years were spent investigating claims and nothing came of them.
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:26am
    - Paulus
      
      I understand that no evidence of who you are is required to register to vote in the USA !
      Anybody can do it, the law allows it.
      
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      November 10, 2020 1:43pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Which means you can vote as many times as you like, in as many places as you like, or post in as many votes as you like.
        
        The moral equivalent of being allowed to print your own lotto tickets, and as many as you like without paying.
        
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        November 10, 2020 4:56pm
- emmess
  
  Legal and constitutional mechanisms
  Oh how teerrrrrifffyying?
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:35am
- Scott
  
  Critical thinker – I hope so.
  Meanwhile the covid crisis is over now that Joe Biden is president elect.
  Democrats party in the streets! Before the election it was a super spreader event. Now that Joe is president elect it’s all good!
  Before the election Trump was foolishly optimistic about a vaccine. Just dreaming his critics said.
  Now that the election is over a vaccine has been announced that is 90% effective!
  Isn’t Joe Biden marvellous?! He hasn’t even been confirmed yet but already he has beaten the virus! Amazing! ?
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:39am
  - SGA
    
    Sadly, the next couple of months are still likely to be on the rougher side in terms of Covid deaths in the USA. The known infection rate has had a real surge in the last 2 weeks and the death rate tends to follow that a couple of weeks later.
    
    Fortunately, the medical community have got better at treating it in the last 6 months (not surprising), so that should mitigate things somewhat unless medical facilities are overwhelmed.
    
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    November 10, 2020 8:59am
  - David George
    
    “Democrats party in the streets”
    Not just in the States. ” Fireworks erupted in London last weekend, according to The Hill and ABC News, in celebration of Joe Biden winning the US election.”
    
    “WATCH: Fireworks in London, Edinburgh as Biden win celebrated abroad https://t.co/dqPLRPso6i pic.twitter.com/xAOzXP79AU
    
    — The Hill (@thehill) November 8, 2020″
    
    Apparently they’ve never heard of Guy Fawkes night.
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:17am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Celebrating being “the last cab off the rank” again.
      When it comes to trade deals with the US?
      
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      November 10, 2020 10:51am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Biden is not President Elect. The GSA do not recognise him as that and he is not getting pre-support until formalities are complete.
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:25am
    - MCos
      
      A mere technicality. He is the presumptive President Elect until 14-December when the Electoral College meets to vote.
      Back on 9-November 2016 Biden invited Pence to the White House for dinner on the Thursday because, as now, everyone knew who’d won, apart from a few bad losers.
      
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      November 10, 2020 9:45am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        You call evident fraud a “mere technicality”? Tax offenders in NZ have been imprisoned for it.
        
        I’ve worked as fraud investigator and prepared cases for trial. There are too many disclosed irregularities or inferred ones that there is plainly a case for investigation. I’m used to subtlety but where the fragrance of fraud assails invariably there is trouble.
        
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        November 10, 2020 12:40pm
    - Mrs_Right
      
      It’s a concerted media narrative. It’s quite remarkable watching it. It’s fairly normal that questions are asked when there is this many inconsistencies.
      
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      November 10, 2020 12:04pm
      - Batman
        
        You mean like the footage of Russian ballot stuffing and fake ballots being burned?
        
        Yeah, sure.
        
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        November 10, 2020 1:07pm
mark15

Good mornink comrades!
https://mobile.twitter.com/evanishistory/status/1325687208112652288
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November 10, 2020 8:06am
Tony Stuart

There will be those who will rush to blame the flooding in Napier yesterday and overnight on climate change.

However the 237mm received yesterday was well short of Napier’s wettest ever day, which happened in June 1963, when 297mm of rain fell. Prior to that, there had been particularly wet days in March 1924 (204mm) and April 1938 (169mm).

Hopefully the forecast rain this afternoon is far less severe, and the good folk of Napier can dry out. On the other hand, it’s great for rural folk to have pastures get a really good soaking before the hottest and driest weather arrives, and of course the vineyards and orchards of Hawke’s Bay will have received a welcome drop of rain as well!
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November 10, 2020 8:11am
- mark15
  
  My garage floor is now not under 2″ of water thanks.
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:14am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    councils new theory on how to get water to your home, without the need for expensive infrastructure?
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:06am
  - Catgurl13
    
    Can you collect it all and send it to Auckland as the ninnies at Watercare don’t know how to run our dams.
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:40am
  - JackRabbit
    
    As advised in many ancient writings and fables. Don’t build below the transient plimsoll line.
    
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    November 10, 2020 5:00pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I had a little look
  https://www.napier.govt.nz/services/water-2/stormwater/stormwater-upgrade-and-improvements/
  They “promise” to spend $20mill over the next 10yrs
  improving the system.
  Q
  What were you doing over the past 10yrs, to prevent the problem you have today?
  Climate change my ass.
  The population of Napier has risen from 58000 in 2011 to 65200 last year.
  More houses , more roofs, more storm water
  More cars, more roads more storm water
  What, again, have YOU done to mitigate the effect of increased population.
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:27am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Asking the same question of
    Wellington regional council re water storage
    Auckland council re water storage against the next drought.
    Northland regional council re water storage
    etc etc etc
    Stop voting in these clowns that refuse to act on these important issues and continue to build monuments to their own stupidity.
    But I guess, we put them there, so bare that responsibility too.
    
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    November 10, 2020 8:31am
    - freethinker
      
      If the voters of those towns & cities still do not understand why they still have such issues despite constant rate increases above inflation then continue to vote for shite and don’t whinge about the stench.
      
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      November 10, 2020 10:19am
  - cmm
    
    Storm water has something to do with the taniwha.
    
    Taniwha likes gold.
    
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    November 10, 2020 12:48pm
- Jade Warrior
  
  I’ve often wondered if one of the main reasons why we are so keen to embrace “climate change” as an explanation for extreme weather events is because it gives us humans the idea that somehow, we can control – even indirectly – the world’s weather.
  
  In this modern technological age, we humans don’t like suffering misfortune at the hands of forces we cannot control. Thus, “climate change” gives many the false idea that humans can control extreme weather events too – that all we have to do to avoid hurricanes and events like Napier is to reduce those carbon emissions.
  
  Unfortunately, the weather patterns on our planet are a lot more complex and are influenced by a lot more than just carbon dioxide. But try telling that to the likes of Greta. Man may one day be able to control the weather, but that day is still a long way off.
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:31am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    More proof that our climate is self regulating:
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/11/08/boy-child-girl-child/
    
    The El Nino/El Nina is all part of that.
    
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    November 10, 2020 8:47am
  - rockape
    
    Ever been much for controlling the elements. But I have put effort into learning to survive what the elements throw at me.
    
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    November 10, 2020 8:59am
    - freethinker
      
      You are so right, the Suns energy output is the main driver of climate so instead of quacking about what humans can do to fight the change that effort should be put into adapting to the change, but the world is going woke socialist and they know everything – but usually about nothing.
      
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      November 10, 2020 11:06am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Can’t tax the Sun.
        
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        November 10, 2020 3:21pm
  - Catgurl13
    
    It’s also an excuse to impose more taxes on us.
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:41am
  - tf78
    
    The wonderful thing about being older is you recognize the weather for what it is – a weather pattern, nothing unusual at all but that doesn’t suit the narrative.
    The same pattern recognition that comes from age is stock crashes and gains, government rises and falls it is just the see saw of life.
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:59am
  - JackRabbit
    
    People with lack of understanding like to blame everyone else but themselves.
    
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    November 10, 2020 5:10pm
- surfing
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Yes, the arctic sea ice is disappearing because it is getting colder.
  
  Science is not on your side.
  
  The thing with science, is that it adapts to new evidence.
  
  Climate change deniers such as yourself, don’t care about evidence.
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:39am
  - Ronin
    
    “The thing with science, is that it adapts to new evidence.”
    
    I thought the science was settled?
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:08am
  - David George
    
    There’s no denying that Arctic sea ice has disappeared and reappeared many times over the past 12,000 years – since the last glaciation ended. It’s called climate change.
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:24am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Not much talk about the 93 volcanoes beneath Antarctica either.
      
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      November 10, 2020 12:42pm
  - Shunda barunda
    
    “Climate change deniers such as yourself, don’t care about evidence.”
    
    No, it is people like you that don’t care about the evidence. Going by your ‘trusted’ sources, the Arctic was supposed to be ice free almost 15 years ago, then 10, then the date kept jumping forward, now they’re saying 2030.
    Maybe it is time YOU started caring about the evidence, which is not on your side.
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:35am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      A class action suit?
      Against Al Gore, who said we would have 6m of sea level rise by 2015.
      Any one buy property that they expected to be water front by now?
      There has, if measurable, about 0.6mm sea level rise.
      
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      November 10, 2020 10:24am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Al Gore never believed the climate change myth. At the same time as “An Inconvenient Truth” was released, the annual energy consumption in his house was 221,000 Kwh.
        
        He bought a massive beach front property in 2010, as well as maintaining other houses. The combined electricity usage is higher than some small towns.
        
        He’s just a regular con man.
        
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        November 10, 2020 5:23pm
    - surfing
      
      The monthly average ice extent for October is the lowest in the satellite record. On October 24, a record difference was set in daily ice extent relative to the 1981 to 2010 average.
      and..
      Arctic sea ice is now declining at a rate of 13.1 percent per decade, relative to the 1981 to 2010 average.
      
      Hmmm, evidence not on my side? Record temperatures are regularly being broken. Ships use routes previously blocked by ice.
      
      Kiwiblog is a climate change denying echo box. I’d not expect much balance from people like you.
      
      Plenty of idiot’s here choose to ignore the vast majority of evidence , preferring twitter algorithm’s which feed their personal anti-science bias.
      
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      November 10, 2020 2:01pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Ice is melting: so what? If you falsely believe that the levels of ice accumulation on the planet have ever been static, I guess that may be concerning. But that is not the case. Most records cited in arguments for human-induced climate change are go back only 200 years at the maximum. The Earth is billions of years old, and there is indeed nothing new under the sun, including melting ice caps. Increasing ice caps would be of far more concern.
        
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        November 10, 2020 3:05pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        My grass grows fast for six months of the year and next to nothing the other six. And when the grass is not growing it’s much colder. It can be 20°C cooler on average each day compared to when the grass is growing. The sun could not possibly vary the temperature that much, so it must be man made climate change.
        
        It gets colder and darker later in the day, and temperatures drop by up 15-20°C. The sun could not possibly create that sort of rapid change, so it must be man made climate change.
        
        Anyone who believes the sun regulates our climate is so wrong. I’m going to smash to pieces the print of a painting that shows people skating on the Thames a few hundred years ago. And burn the photos that show the street names of locations in Northern England where it was so warm they used to grow grapes. The Monopoly Board is rigged, how dare they use Vine Street. No Vines ever grew there. 😉
        
        And all those snap frozen mammoth bodies with grass in their mouths recovered deep within the arctic circle are a lie, as are the climate scientists who have carbon dated proof that Mt Kilimanjaro has no glacier 11,000 years ago.
        
        Winter and Summer are myths. The sun has no heat and there are no seasons or trends. The sun is nothing more than a giant LED bulb hanging in the sky.
        
        Surfing, we owe you so much for correcting us.
        All Hail Surfing.
        
        /sarc
        
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        November 10, 2020 5:37pm
      - Nickc2
        
        People like you surfing do not want meaningful or scientific discourse. This is obvious when you address those who don’t have the same opinion as yourself as idiots.
        
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        November 10, 2020 7:13pm
  - tf78
    
    Climate science is bullshit data in – bullshit data out.
    
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    November 10, 2020 10:00am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Assumptions stated as fact and evidence.
      
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      November 10, 2020 10:25am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      My answer to climate alarmists.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da0YARpkI3U
      
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      November 10, 2020 10:28am
  - mandk
    
    Another thing about science is that it adapts to fashion.
    
    Don’t forget that it was little more than a generation ago that we were being told by scientists of an inevitable impending ice age.
    
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    November 10, 2020 10:11am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Another thing about science is that it adapts to, who ever is paying for it.
      There fixed it.
      
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      November 10, 2020 10:26am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      We were supposed to have been frozen before I got to 60.
      
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      November 10, 2020 12:43pm
    - Crisplion
      
      There is an inevitable impending ice age.
      
      https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Glacial_and_interglacial_periods
      
      Historical data show a cycle of ice ages and warmer interglacial periods. We’re presently in the Holocene interglacial period, which began about 11.5 thousand years ago. While the durations of interglacial periods vary, their average length, over the past half million years or so, has been about 10 thousand years, so we can expect to head towards the next ice age before too long (geologically speaking). Depressingly enough, glacial period, or ice ages, tend to last much longer – up to 90 thousand years.
      
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      November 10, 2020 1:19pm
  - Nickc2
    
    There is science and then there is Bull-Shit. Man-Made Climate Change is in the latter category IMO.
    
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    November 10, 2020 11:53am
- pdm
  
  Inv -it is the weather!!
  
  Always has been and always will be.
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And a recorded regular flooding history back to 1897 (at least)
  
  https://hwe.niwa.co.nz/search/summary/Startdate/n-a/Enddate/n-a/Regions/North+Island/Hazards/Flooding/Impacts/all/Keywords/Napier/numberOfEvents/20/page/1
  
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  November 10, 2020 9:09am
- SGA
  
  There will be those who will rush to blame the flooding in Napier yesterday and overnight on climate change.
  
  However the 237mm received yesterday was well short of Napier’s wettest ever day, which happened in June 1963, when 297mm of rain fell. Prior to that, there had been particularly wet days in March 1924 (204mm) and April 1938 (169mm).
  
  You are right, the first claim by itself is wonky. But comparisons to a day in 1963, a day in 1938, and a day in 1924(!) are just as wonky. Patterns are much more important than isolated events.
  
  As a crude analogy, Liverpool is currently one of the best teams in the UK (as evidenced by their sustained performance in the EPL). Aston Villa recently beat them 7-2. Does that result by itself mean Aston Villa are a much better team overall?
  
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  November 10, 2020 9:32am
- Colville
  
  Yeah just went and had a look at some land that I am working on getting consent for subdivision on…the bulk of it is underwater which confirms what we knew about it.
  Its the poor end of Napier and the lowest…up to the top of the wheels in the landcruiser on the roads….
  
  The basic problem is a lot of Napier is only a couple of meters above sea level!
  
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  November 10, 2020 9:55am
  - mark15
    
    My friend in Bayview didn’t have a flooded garage.The culvert by his drive was barely half full.
    
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    November 10, 2020 11:17am
- gravedodger
  
  Family live thirty Kms WSW of Napier and they were totally unaware of what was happening in Napier. Yes a day of rain with them around 7mm but I wonder if the rain event that caused the apparent flooding in Napier was perhaps thunder storm based.
  Climate Change my posterior, much more likely, as alluded to elsewhere, poor infrastructure development and maintenance far more likely as a major factor.
  
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  November 10, 2020 10:27am
- SB2
  
  Tony Stuart,
  
  have you been in consulataion with Todd Mueller?
  
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  November 10, 2020 10:28am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Three questions Stephie:
    
    1) Who is Todd Mueller?
    2) Presuming you meant Todd MULLER, why would I have “been in consultation” with him?
    3) Why is it any business of yours anyway?
    
    Have a nice day 😀
    
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    November 10, 2020 10:57am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Are you still running aggro out of the Fragrant House basement?
    The election’s over for the time being.
    
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    November 10, 2020 12:45pm
Surely Knott

Amazing timing. First day of the new US president and a vaccine is found. Hooray. What a coincidence.
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November 10, 2020 8:12am
- SGA
  
  Technically, the first day of the new President isn’t until January 2021 (20th? 21st?)
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:47am
- C J Southern
  
  We were told that a vaccine would be at least 18 months – they’ve managed something that’s looking good in around 1/2 that time … and yet “it’s a conspiracy that it wasn’t announced even earlier still”.
  
  Yeah right.
  
  Everything is a conspiracy theory these days.
  
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  November 10, 2020 9:19am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Bill Gates doesn’t expect a reliable one in less than 10 years and proposes lock downs until he is ready.
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:28am
    - sooty
      
      They still haven’t fixed the common cold/flue!
      
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      November 10, 2020 10:15am
      - mark15
        
        My chimney’s fine.
        
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        November 10, 2020 11:19am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Bill Gates and his vaccine can fuck off.
      
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      November 10, 2020 3:08pm
  - MCos
    
    There isn’t a new vaccine yet. This one, which arrived a week late to save Trump’s sorry arse, still has to go through various steps yet before it can be distributed.
    Another thing.
    While there may be no problems thus far side effects may still arise that put it back to square one. The development has gone along at lightning speed.
    
    Everyone’s an expert!
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:56am
  - tf78
    
    If the virus was created in a lab, it stands to reason they would have a vaccine underway.
    
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    November 10, 2020 10:01am
    - C J Southern
      
      The virus wasn’t created in a lab – so the rest of your post is null and void.
      
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      November 10, 2020 10:30am
      - JackRabbit
        
        And you know this, how exactly?
        
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        November 10, 2020 5:46pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Provide the fucking evidence or retract your post.
        
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        November 10, 2020 7:15pm
JibberJabber

Marta González, former Prima Ballerina with Alzheimers listens to Swan Lake by Tchaikovsky and remembers and feels the choreography again
https://twitter.com/GoodNewsCorres1/status/1325534489167208449
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November 10, 2020 8:12am
- hookerphil
  
  That is very moving
  
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  November 10, 2020 9:04am
Maggie Pie

And have you noticed since Watercare gave that overpaid Fijian guy the DCM, the city’s dams have risen to over 71% full.

What does that tell you?
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November 10, 2020 8:14am
- Deagle
  
  DCM?
  
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  November 10, 2020 9:10am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Don’t Come Monday.
    Have you been living under a rock?
    
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    November 10, 2020 10:26am
- Catgurl13
  
  I was told by a waste water engineer at watercare that the shortage was actually due to a miscalculation and dumping of the dam water at the wrong time.
  
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  November 10, 2020 9:17am
  - JackRabbit
    
    “..a miscalculation and dumping of the dam water at the wrong time…”
    
    So did the resident Water Care cat did that? Or is Maggie Pie’s comment correct?
    
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    November 10, 2020 5:48pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  (Tannoy noise) Goff, Goff, calling Mr Goff, clean up in the Auckland Council aisle please.
  
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  November 10, 2020 9:51am
- MCos
  
  He only left last week.
  
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  November 10, 2020 9:59am
- tf78
  
  Maggie, it tells me locals know it’s always going to rain at some point. Imports don’t know that.
  
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  November 10, 2020 10:02am
- RightFirstTime
  
  And the Watercare website shows him as still being the Chief Executive! As we all well know the folk at Watercare are really on the ball! They are part of Auckland Council so we really shouldn’t expect too much competence.
  
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  November 10, 2020 4:02pm
F E Smith

I did wonder at DPF’s post saying that he expects Trump to be prosecuted, mainly because I can’t really think what actual crimes Trump has committed. But then I saw this article from Politico this morning and realised that it is now apparently criminal/quasi-criminal to disagree with the Left.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/aoc-cancel-worked-for-trump-435293
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November 10, 2020 8:16am
- SGA
  
  I thought that the NY AG had been trying to bring charges against Trump for quite some time now? Tax fraudish sort of stuff. Not so?
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:49am
  - Batman
    
    Letitia James has a civil suit ongoing which may develop into a criminal case depending on what is found.
    
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    November 10, 2020 8:50am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Her bio calls her an activist. Surely that should disqualify her from any law based role?
      The US system is totally stuffed up.
      
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      November 10, 2020 9:58am
    - cmm
      
      Sounds like Hager scanning the Panama Papers hoping to bring down John Key.
      
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      November 10, 2020 12:53pm
- C J Southern
  
  https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-trump-faces-lawsuits-and-legal-threats/
  
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  November 10, 2020 9:24am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Bloomberg
    
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    November 10, 2020 3:09pm
Critical Thinker

It’s so interesting to see that a vaccine for COVID is announced less than week after the US election ?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/report-pfizer-stopped-testing-covid-19-vaccine-results-late-october-placed-samples-cold-storage-tested-day-election

It’s also so interesting to see the media not even mention COVID or social distancing when hundreds gather to celebrate Joe Biden’s “projected victory”. But that same media just weeks ago said Trump rallies “could kill thousands” because of the lack of social distancing ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHEfeVMmZXo
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November 10, 2020 8:21am
- C J Southern
  
  You should change your handle to “Conspiracy Thinker”.
  
  Hundreds of drug companies all over the world are in the race of their lives against each other to be first to develop an effective vaccine because whoever wins that race stands to make huge money.
  
  The suggestion that they would delay any announcement to help shift a POTUS who has been supportive of their efforts is nonsense.
  
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  November 10, 2020 10:36am
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Right after you change your name to this ???
    
    “Complicity Theorist”
    
    A person who accepts the political narratives of the day unquestionably;
    consumes mainstream media like it was 1980;
    and is prone to submissiveness, outbursts of irrational fear, and public-shaming of free-thinkers.
    
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    November 10, 2020 11:08am
    - C J Southern
      
      Ah – but that’s the thing you see; I don’t. I look to credible information and rational analysis – and when I see a whole bunch of it that all points one way I find it pretty obvious as to where the truth is.
      
      You on the other hand seem to think that a twitter post from someone with a pre-determined position constitutes “credible evidence”.
      
      99% of the rubbish you’ve posted so far had already been proven to be untrue by the time you posted it – but do you bother to fact-check anything first? Nope – you just go ahead and post it anyway.
      
      Unfortunately for you, courts require a far higher standard of evidence than a tweet from someone with a pre-formed opinion based on some “creatively (mis)interpreted” “evidence” – which is why none on Trump’s lawsuits will have any significant impact on the result – and he’s merely delaying the inevitable.
      
      So far the ONLY proven voter fraud was 2 Republican’s who tried to vote twice.
      
      I’ll go on record here and now and predict 4 things:
      
      1. You’ll keep on posting rubbish
      
      2. 1/2 to 2/3 of the people here will also continue to document their stupidity by up-voting it.
      
      3. Biden will be sworn in on 20 Jan 21
      
      4. You’ll continue farting against thunder.
      
      I think you and Trump have something in common: equal amounts of delusion; but at least he doesn’t even try to pretend he’s a “critical thinker”.
      
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      November 10, 2020 12:02pm
      - RichardX
        
        I always thought CT was the Kiwiblog equivalent of the “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea”
        
        The label applied may not reflect reality.
        
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        November 10, 2020 1:09pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        “I look to credible information and rational analysis.”
        
        Credible people with rational analysis have proven time and time again that for money and power, people will do anything.
        
        Your argument that people would not delay any announcement paints everyone concerned having the ethics of Spock, and the transparency of cellulose. You must be living in an alternate universe.
        
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        November 10, 2020 5:54pm
Maggie Pie

Our Foreign Minister hits the big-time on Insta 😀 ‘Tattooed Face Squad’ no less!

https://instagram.com/p/CHYLODnHdRY/
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November 10, 2020 8:25am
- emmess
  
  Seeing as face tattoos are soooo progressive, how about Tekashi 6ix9ine for the head of Oranga Tamariki?
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:33am
- igm
  
  Wat an apparition!
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:36am
emmess

Just as predicted
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54873105

Coronavirus would magically disappear as soon as Biden was elected.
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November 10, 2020 8:26am
- Inandout
  
  emm, Biden was quoting a Biblical passage about a ‘time for healing’. Trump was castigated for even holding a Bible up. The left are so bloody hypocritical.
  
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  November 10, 2020 9:28am
theoldbloke

Oh dear another poll that will prove to be way way out.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/toni-truslove-expat-survey-shows-historic-wave-of-returning-kiwis-has-just-begun/

Was at a Chamber of Commerce meeting last night which also propagated this poll as tho it was going to turn out to be true!

Heres my $100 to say that the poll will prove to be at least 50% WRONG and that we will be lucky to see 100,000 Kiwis return.

Also interesting to see the hype about 50,000 kiwis have recently returned.

Yep I was one. Stuck in Asia on exploration holiday originally planned for 6 months, Covid extended to 9 months.

About 80 expats? on the flight. Conversation seemed to be about loosing jobs, coming home for 6 months over summer while “”things get sorted”” back where they were, then they would return.
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November 10, 2020 8:41am
- BAM
  
  What do they think they’re coming home to?
  Unless you’re in a trade there is fuck all work out there.
  Wages have also decreased significantly.
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:57am
- artemisia
  
  In exchange for expats returning we will be losing all the US luvvies leaving to go back home. Right?
  
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  November 10, 2020 9:15am
- fernglas
  
  The problem with this poll is that there isn’t a pre-covid one to compare it to. Had there been, it might well have shown the same figures. Not all kiwis leave for ever, just until they can accomplish a few things they couldn’t here. We know that returnees are by and large citizens or residents and their families. We know nothing about who is leaving. Once this covid response is shown to economically catastrophic, we may well see kiwis pouring out the door.
  
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  November 10, 2020 10:15am
Maggy Wassilieff

I’ve always thought of Trevally as cat food.

I wouldn’t pay good money for it…

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2020/11/hellofresh-warns-customers-not-to-eat-fish-dinner-after-high-levels-of-toxic-histamine-found.html
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November 10, 2020 8:42am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Basically.. the fish was decomposing/rotting
  https://dermnetnz.org/topics/scombroid-fish-poisoning/
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:47am
- KevO'Brien
  
  We used to catch trevally and eat them as kids. Even spotties are OK.
  
  I note that it is a commercial food providor that is down putting, probably hoping for sales.
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:52am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I got the first line but struggled with the second . . .
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:55am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      If I was unclear, the news item was about a food seller suggesting people avoid other items.
      
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      November 10, 2020 12:48pm
BAM

Just looking at the election results.
https://electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2020/

What an absolute flogging for National.
1,443,546 votes for Labour vs 738,275 for National.

Compare that to 2017, where National got 1,152,075 votes, which was after nine years in power.

That’s a loss of 413,800 votes.
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November 10, 2020 8:47am
- Batman
  
  In case anyone ever tells you that swerving right, away from the large centre, is a good idea and will lead to a landslide…. Here is the rock solid evidence that does not work.
  
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  November 10, 2020 8:48am
  - SGA
    
    Four leaders in three years, and a series of mini-scandals didn’t help (it’s harder to keep up your profile in the media when you are in opposition, but that’s not the way to do it).
    
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    November 10, 2020 8:52am
  - hookerphil
    
    Swerving right….surely you mean left. ACT went towards that way and look at their results.
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:09am
  - krazykiwi
    
    National … swerving right?? Hilarious. National may have occasionally slowed the drift left, but it has chased ‘the centre’ as the Overton Window has panned inexorably left.
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:19am
    - nasska
      
      National financial policies are a clone of Labour’s so in that sense they have drifted Left.
      
      It was their pig headed, social conservatism ably illustrated by their orchestration of resistance to the Death with Dignity Bill that sent them into a tailspin.
      
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      November 10, 2020 10:08am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Please advise how, in any way did National swerve right?
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    Bollocks, this election was covid, covid, covid.
    
    Policy, left or right, was never an issue. I’m not even certain that many voted to keep the greens out either, just fear of a mildly virulent virus was enough.
    
    The media will turn and the public will turn away from “cancel culture” and “identity politics”. If that is deemed to be right then so be it.
    
    Now you’d better get back to earning that vast salary.
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:58am
    - Sacha
      
      And behave yourselves, or we’ll all be grounded for Christmas!
      Nothing like a threat to make the people tow the party line.
      Next, we’ll be lined up on SH1 to get The Vaccine, on Christmas Eve.
      
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      November 10, 2020 10:53am
- C J Southern
  
  I would call that many votes for Labour an appalling testament to the stupidity of their voters.
  
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  November 10, 2020 9:29am
  - Andrei
    
    I would say the same for those who voted for the worthless National Party which is omly distinguishable from labour by the utter incompetance of their Caucus
    
    When they put up people of substance who and spine with a coherent vision for New Zealand and not just the mantra Labour is bad perhaps they will be worth a look again but for now they are a waste of space
    
    I am not holding my breath though
    
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    November 10, 2020 9:59am
    - C J Southern
      
      Nice thought. Unfortunately, every political party these days has a conundrum; do they tell people what they NEED to hear and not get elected (because people don’t want to hear the truth) – or do they tell the people what they WANT to hear in order to get elected (even if it’s not achievable)?
      
      If a party of substance campaigns along the lines of “housing the homeless in tents instead of motels because that’s all the country can afford” – and “slashing benefits and providing vouchers for services instead of giving cash” for the same reason how many votes do you think they’d yet?
      
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      November 10, 2020 10:43am
      - mark15
        
        Do you mean ACT?
        
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        November 10, 2020 11:22am
      - Tall Man
        
        That’s not what Act campaigned on at all and 10% is hardly a resounding endorsement.
        
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        November 10, 2020 12:05pm
    - Jack5
      
      Meanwhile, in Nelson, Nick Smith gives his reasons why National was hammered, but no mention of the suicidal leadership coup on the brink of the general election.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/123337222/nick-smith-reflects-on-why-national-was-hammered-in-the-election
      
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      November 10, 2020 10:54am
      - SGA
        
        He did mention it in general terms –
        “If changes in leadership was the answer, National would have easily won the election. “
        
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        November 10, 2020 3:26pm
  - Isobar
    
    C J – i really dont agree with calling voters stupid. It just brings out that born to rule mentality that seems to be stuck in so many blue types.
    
    I sincerely hope that that national party are not going to fall into the “We are great, it is everyone else’s fault for not seeing this” trap. If they do, they will spend a long time in opposition.
    
    It is the party’s fault for misreading the public mood and not appealing to the centrist swing voters. It’s incredibly hard to beat a government working through a major emergency, but they not only struggled to put up any sort of contest, they also lost people in droves.
    
    That takes a special sort of incompetence and there are many people – advisors, staff, board members etc that should all be given their marching orders. The election strategy failed, miserably.
    
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    November 10, 2020 3:22pm
- tf78
  
  BAM, I still think there is something rather suss in the results and I’m not being a bad loser, it just doesn’t quite pass the pub test that so many Nats would change their allegiance.
  
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  November 10, 2020 10:07am
  - Sacha
    
    tf78 – The Labour government deliberately held the two referenda on Election Day, because it knew that those who felt strongly enough would get out and vote, and while they were about it, for for the Labour party. I think that if the referenda had been held on a different time, the Parliamentary election results may well have been quite different.
    But combined with the PM’s ‘kindness’ it made a winning combination for the Labour Party and the one-off voters came out.
    
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    November 10, 2020 11:18am
- Chris R
  
  How many votes did ACT get? A % of the ACT vote may have gone to National in other years.
  
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  November 10, 2020 10:26am
  - BAM
    
    NZ First lost over 100k votes, many of those would have gone to ACT and the conservatives.
    
    Looks like many National voters are now voting Labour, it’s going to be tough for National to come back from this.
    
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    November 10, 2020 10:42am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Labour will desert when they discover how inept they are to handle the job when it gets tougher later. The Global Financial Crisis has yet to make its impact. They are well on their way too with a wage/price spiral (think Venezuela) and have spent too much borrowed money already to stop it.
      
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      November 10, 2020 1:08pm
      - BAM
        
        You guys have no clue how the average employee thinks.
        
        if the shit is going to hit the fan and many people are going to be laid off, who do you vote for?
        
        The party that represents the workers and pays out more generous benefits or the party that represents the corporates and the employers.
        Hmmm, tough decision, not.
        
        Just in case the penny hasn’t dropped, it’s the first option, which is Labour.
        
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        November 10, 2020 1:35pm
Maggie Pie

‘The Wolf of the White House’ 😀

https://youtube.com/watch?v=92yqTxUL-aw

MAGA!
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November 10, 2020 8:56am
- Shunda barunda
  
  This ones better.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHs7kRkVrFk
  
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  November 10, 2020 9:39am
  - Critical Thinker
    
    This one here is also rather spot on ???
    
    https://twitter.com/tom2badcat/status/1325866204444155904
    
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    November 10, 2020 12:48pm
plc

Corporate away day. Main topic is Diversity & Inclusion

Looking forward to a day of guilt being a straight middle aged white male in reasonably good health
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November 10, 2020 9:03am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Turn up in a kaftan/thobe with a light touch of mauve eyeshadow and pink lippy for your make-up.
  
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  November 10, 2020 10:37am
  - Jack5
    
    Don’t forget the Maori necklace, and if you really want to cap it off, a hijab.
    
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    November 10, 2020 10:57am
- Deagle
  
  I’ll save you the hassle, here’s a cheat-sheet: https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1610610/smithsonian-aspects-white-culture.webp?w=790&f=ab12077631acab2dac02fd587b3f4f15
  
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  November 10, 2020 10:38am
- plc
  
  Luckily I’m now a proud woman of colour known as Zaneeka who is questioning her sexuality.
  
  Apparently it improves my promotion prospects.
  
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  November 10, 2020 3:53pm
RW Capitalist

Have covid19 deaths in the USA “turned a corner”.
From March 2nd till sept 23, total deaths in the US
200000……6900 per week
38000 in the 6 weeks since….6300 per week
Remember it took weeks, from the first case to get the dead up to this 6900 per week average, so the average over the first period of up to 200000 dead is worse.
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November 10, 2020 9:04am
JibberJabber

“tHeReS mY BiDeN siGn. dOnT DeStRoY aNyTHiNg”
https://twitter.com/JoshLekach/status/1325485182929940480

Be careful what you wish for, you’ve just got it. ?
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November 10, 2020 9:11am
Suze Wainwright

Apparently aotearoa will have to make some tough calls re China, under a Biden presidency.

It’s times like these that a woman with a moko will make all the difference…
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November 10, 2020 9:13am
Catgurl13

Our media truely is cringe. I hope they are highly embarrassed if Trump remains president after calling him endless name like lame duck etc. It’s not over yet as so much more vote figure verification is still happening.
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November 10, 2020 9:23am
- Tall Man
  
  Win lose or draw they need to be polite full stop.
  
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  November 10, 2020 12:28pm
Inandout

I had forgotten the madness of the Dems after Trump was elected, they even boycotted the Inauguration. And the NY Times writing in 2016 that the impeachment of Trump has started.
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6208283776001
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November 10, 2020 9:24am
- MCos
  
  Let’s wait and see if Trump boycotts Biden’s inauguration.
  As I recall all the former presidents attended Trump’s big day & it was GWB who said of Trump’s speech ‘Well, that was some weird shit’
  
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  November 10, 2020 11:15am
kiwikidsnz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300154384/us-election-official-in-charge-of-handing-transition-resources-to-joe-biden-isnt-budging
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November 10, 2020 9:36am
Catgurl13

Who saw the electric car battery fiasco on Fair Go last night?. The woman bought a second hand Nissan leaf electric car. She discovered the battery had gone down to less than 80% charge capacity after buying it. Nissan quoted got over 120k for a replacement one and there is no other option in NZ. She said she drives it slowly and carefully to make the charge last longer.Has to charge it after 1 trip to the shops and back. Seems electric cars turn into lemons after purchase. Go woke,go broke. At least she is getting free road user charges at our expense.
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November 10, 2020 9:47am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Apparently dealers are involved in ‘juicing’ the batteries of second hand Leafs. It involves multiple fast charges in a short space of time and fools the battery into thinking it has more life left in it than it actually has.
  After about 3 weeks the battery has reverted to it’s previous sorry state but the dealer has got his money.
  It’s the modern equivalent of winding the speedo.
  
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  November 10, 2020 10:36am
  - MCos
    
    Never heard of a second hand car salesman indulging in sharp practice before.
    
    One imagines there’s somewhere an electric car can be taken to get a battery tested prior to purchase.
    
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    November 10, 2020 11:06am
    - Tall Man
      
      And it would be free as well …… and with a lifetime guarantee…………
      
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      November 10, 2020 12:01pm
    - mark15
      
      Where,at the dealers?
      I wonder what the test would say.
      
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      November 10, 2020 12:03pm
  - cmm
    
    I’d never buy a second hand EV unless there was a clause guaranteeing the battery health for at least the first 3 months of use.
    
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    November 10, 2020 11:45am
- Inandout
  
  Cat: A fool and his/her money are soon parted.
  
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  November 10, 2020 11:14am
- Fletch
  
  It seems the batteries only last around 8 years anyway, weigh half a tonne, and contain toxic metals which are hard to dispose of.
  
  To allow EVs to drive up to 500km on a single charge, these batteries are made out of lithium, cobalt, graphite and nickel mined in the world’s poorest countries.
  
  After the EV battery loses its ability to hold a charge, its metals and chemicals contain toxic substances that are currently very difficult and expensive to dispose of cleanly. Technology hasn’t developed enough globally to find a way to either dispose of them safely, nor to recycle them in the volumes we will need. The fear is that they will end up being dumped in landfills unless we seriously ramp up recycling plants on a mass scale.
  
  The average EV battery weighs over 500kg or half a tonne, is heavy in lithium and lasts a maximum of eight years. If Genter wants all New Zealand’s 4 million vehicles to be EVs, she will first need to outline the plan to dispose of these millions of toxic used batteries.
  
  She will have her work cut out. Imagine a near-future where 4 million used EV batteries must be disposed of every eight years. That’s more than 2 million tonnes of used toxic EV batteries in New Zealand alone.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/troy-bowker-the-dirty-secrets-about-electric-vehicles/BFSJOIE32ZFMQQ3G6S2WQMAZDE/
  
  If getting a new battery is as costly as they say then the whole electric car thing is pointless. I know my petrol car will last more than 8 years without me having to lay out thousands of dollars for a new battery.
  
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  November 10, 2020 11:40am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Genter & CO got rid of useful lt weight plastic carry bags (3gm). Perhaps 500Kg is beyond her comprehension.
    
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    November 10, 2020 12:58pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Recycling the $1-2000 worth of valuable metals in dead EV batteries will soon be an efficient, profitable and rapidly expanding business. There is zero chance that businesses are going to let an opportunity like that literally go to waste.
    
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    November 10, 2020 1:17pm
    - cmm
      
      “Recycling the $1-2000 worth of valuable metals …”
      
      Only if they are first exported to Bangladesh/whatever where the cost of handling toxic materials is very low.
      
      It you thought reprocessing lead car batteries was bad then you’re in for a huge shock.
      
      Yes, these batteries do have valuable minerals in them but these are often interleaved with other materials making it hard to extract the valuable stuff, dispose of the electrolytes etc and still turn a profit.
      
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      November 10, 2020 4:10pm
  - cmm
    
    Don’cha know…they can be recycled into unicorn food.
    
    Since NZ has a habit of buying second hand imports, I can see that happening with EVs too… lots of EVs coming in with only 2 years left on the battery.
    
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    November 10, 2020 3:54pm
- Nickc2
  
  It’s not as if the fact that batteries decay over time and charging wasn’t known and published in various media. More fool her. She should have sought advice first if she was new to EV technology. Then again, if she knew anything about EVs, she wouldn’t have gone anywhere near a Nissan Leaf.
  
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  November 10, 2020 12:21pm
- ex-golfer
  
  She must be proud of her efforts in supporting the exploitation of child labour used the Congo to extract the cobalt for her virtue signal.
  
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  November 10, 2020 1:48pm
Surely Knott

As if we needed further evidence that the attacks on Trump were fundamentally class warfare, NZ herald article that the white house is lighting rose scented candles to purge the smell of Trumps takeaways. Deplorable.
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November 10, 2020 9:54am
- Mrs_Right
  
  Don’t bother with the Herald, it has lost credibility long time ago. Also, it doesn’t do them any justice when majority of their articles/opinion pieces are written by kids who swallowed the leftist pill.
  
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  November 10, 2020 10:42am
- Fletch
  
  What is more deplorable is media speculation about Trump’s marriage and talk of a possible divorce. It seems nothing is off limits to these scumbags. I pretty much don’t trust the media for anything now other than the most basic of information.
  
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  November 10, 2020 11:35am
- Tall Man
  
  Just a childish response. All we get these days from our media.
  
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  November 10, 2020 11:59am
Deagle

Here is what has been bugging me this morning.
The media acting like they are the electoral college. Even our own politicians have been congratulating Biden on winning the presidency.
But it’s not the job of foreign politicians or the media to declare the winner of an election is it?

And now we are seeing articles like this: “Official in charge of handing transition resources to Joe Biden isn’t budging”, https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300154384/us-election-official-in-charge-of-handing-transition-resources-to-joe-biden-isnt-budging

Reading the article, the quote eventually pops up “…each agency has drafted detailed transition plans for a new administration, but they will not be released to the Biden team until a winner is formally declared.”
And that’s the key point, a winner hasn’t been formally declared yet. And as far as I understand, many of the states with small margins are within the threshold for a vote recount to be ordered.

I’m not cheering on either party to win, but it’s clear that the media are doing everything they can to undermine the election process.
I can’t blame the Trump administration for holding their ground, at this stage they certainly have a right to do so, and the integrity of the election should reign above all.
I also can’t blame the Democrats for puffing out their chests and claiming victory, because it certainly looks like it as the counts sit.
But the media should know better, even The New York Times deleted this tweet that “the role of declaring the winner of a presidential election falls to the news media.”
https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-deletes-tweet-role-presidential-winner-news-media

Am I missing something, or has the world gone mad?
I see the media narrative and it seems to conflict entirely with reality.
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November 10, 2020 10:04am
- SGA
  
  The media acting like they are the electoral college. Even our own politicians have been congratulating Biden on winning the presidency.
  But it’s not the job of foreign politicians or the media to declare the winner of an election is it?
  
  If you looked back, then you would see the media and foreign politicians treating Trump as the winner of the election at a similar time before all the official “t”s were crossed and “i”s dotted. Most reasonable people believe that Biden has won (including many who would have preferred a Trump victory).
  
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  November 10, 2020 10:26am
- Fletch
  
  The media hope that by repeating something enough times it will be picked up by the public and manifest as reality.
  
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  November 10, 2020 11:33am
  - SGA
    
    Why exactly are Fox News trying to manufacture that reality?
    
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    November 10, 2020 3:23pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  There is also a reasonable chance that a sting operation was carried out including a real time surveillance of the voting machines. More is being revealed almost hourly.
  We will know more when the lawyers put up their cases. I prefer evidence to Twitter.
  
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  November 10, 2020 12:55pm
  - SGA
    
    There is also a reasonable chance that a sting operation was carried out including a real time surveillance of the voting machines.
    
    I’ll await your reporting and details of the sting operation’s results. I must say that I’m surprised that there was real time surveillance of the voting machines – I wonder how one manages to do that meaningfully without breaking all sorts of laws about the individual’s right to privacy while voting.
    
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    November 10, 2020 3:18pm
  - Deagle
    
    If that’s the case, I hope so.
    But I’ll believe it when people end up behind bars, until then it doesn’t count.
    
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    November 10, 2020 3:20pm
- Batman
  
  Other versions of this article also noted that when Obama won on 2008, the then-GSA rang the campaign at 1am to begin the transition process and authorise funds being released to the transition.
  
  So it is clear that the Trump Admin is digging in until the last possible moment, all because of a tantrum.
  
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  November 10, 2020 4:23pm
SB2

His handling of the Covid 19 Pandemic

‘Refusal to wear a protective mask

Loss in Arizona and Georgia due to dissing John Mc Cain and John Lewis both heroes in those states

Threatened to fire his campaign Manager Brad Parscale when opinion polls went against him

Refused to use prepared speeches

etc, etc

An ongoing shambles of a campaign!

https://youtu.be/R21tf_5zLcs
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November 10, 2020 10:15am
- Billy Collins
  
  Getting the second most votes in all of US history doesn’t seem like a shambles of a campaign at all. If he loses, it won’t be by much at all.
  
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  November 10, 2020 11:09am
  - Batman
    
    Five million votes.
    
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    November 10, 2020 11:16am
- Tall Man
  
  Hmmmm, cindy’s on to it though.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2020-pm-jacinda-ardern-admits-she-made-a-mistake-with-group-photo/ZQYG2KOB67PSUOUP3I3PWWSGRI/
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/jacinda-ardern-apologises-for-breaking-social-distancing-rules.html
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-ardern-and-bloomfield-speak-on-photographs-showing-breach-of-social-distancing-rules/IXYAUUIYA7PENXJT6ATZ2WJ2RY/
  
  So who’s the twit?
  
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  November 10, 2020 11:54am
Caine9

Never understand quite why everyone gets so agitated about politicians being hypocrites. They all are, both sides, consistently.
Democrats over the election, and Republicans over Supreme Court appointments as just 2 current examples.
Yet…we only call out those we don’t like and cheer on those we do.
We’re all up to our necks in it, that’s how modern politics works.
Hypocrisy rules!
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November 10, 2020 10:18am
RRM

Joe Biden does a burnout in his Corvette Stingray – Jay Leno’s Garage:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=mP-hyDSlmUs

I am converted. Joe seems like a good dude. What the country needs…
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November 10, 2020 11:29am
- Tall Man
  
  But can he remember it ……………… 🙂
  
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  November 10, 2020 11:57am
cmm

Troughers don’t even keep in their lanes….

NZ On Air funding being slush funded for CV19 card experiments.

Feel safe with them managing your “data sovereignty”?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/local-focus-covid-card-experiment-underway-in-ngongotaha/MSWXRV37CZAMQT2U6DXVDSLQWM/
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November 10, 2020 11:41am
Maggie Pie

My partner left home about an hour ago for an 11:30 client meeting in the city. He just txt….”still stuk in quay strt – this hole city is fukd”
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November 10, 2020 11:45am
- Tall Man
  
  “hole” being the correct word.
  
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  November 10, 2020 11:49am
- fernglas
  
  I’ve been watching the slow progress of the K Rd cycle lane, which seems to have been designed to provide a lane for the 20 or so cyclists who use it per hour at rush hour, and another lane for largely empty buses. It’s complicated by works for a train service no-one uses. Waste of money?
  
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  November 10, 2020 12:00pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    I made the mistake of attempting to drive along K’ Rd last week.
    
    A really bad mistake. A sea of cones and single lanes going now-where.
    
    And at the Ponsonby road end a lamp post on its own in what should be a turning lane.
    
    Then there is Tamaki Road by the OBC. For that words just fail me. The extent of the cock there is of biblical proportions.
    
    AT’s glorious successes.
    
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    November 10, 2020 3:34pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      WOW Alex – I must head down to the OBC for a look 😛
      
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      November 10, 2020 4:02pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Might pay to refresh your reading of Ezekiel 23:20
        
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        November 10, 2020 4:16pm
- cmm
  
  There are some nice places in Jaffaland.
  
  My favourite is the airport departures concourse.
  
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  November 10, 2020 12:55pm
lazza

My professional dealings with Pfizer, admittedly years back led
me to the conviction that put simply… “they are a bunch of crooks”.Time alone will tell.
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November 10, 2020 11:51am
ex-golfer

When John Key said Wellington was losing its shine he got widely slammed.
Well, this story proves he was, once again, right:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123333495/when-you-try-to-put-down-roots-theres-rot–warning-to-wellington-about-retaining-young-talent

Has anyone wandered down Courtney Place on a Fri/Sat night lately? You take you life into your own hands keeping away from the aggressive and drunk yoofs while avoiding all the boarded up and empty retail fronts.
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November 10, 2020 12:57pm
- Batman
  
  Sorry what boarded up retail fronts? The city is packed to the gills with shops and eateries and bars.
  
  The only ones currently empty are condemned buildings thanks to the earthquakes.
  
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  November 10, 2020 1:06pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Wrong again Birdbrain.
    There are numerous retail shops around Wellington empty and for lease.
    All the Burger Kings, all the Flight Centres, numerous Bars, many small businesses, none of which have anything to do with condemned buildings thanks to the earthquakes.
    You need to open your eyes more.
    
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    November 10, 2020 1:42pm
Centrist

I think Reti is a good choice for deputy leader. If he does a competent job and performs well, I’d like to see him ascend to the top job in early 2022. National also needs to man up and put candidates in the Maori seats.
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November 10, 2020 1:10pm
- Jack5
  
  Reti’s choice seems to be based on his experience and skill in health matters, but comes the same day as breakthroughs are announced in Wuhan flu virus.
  
  By the time of the next election, the pandemic won’t be an issue.
  
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  November 10, 2020 1:22pm
  - Jack5
    
    Edit: breakthroughs are announced in Wuhan flu vaccine.
    
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    November 10, 2020 1:34pm
- greybeard
  
  National also has to go all-out to control the councils in Auckland, Wgtn , Chch & Dunedin.
  Do that and it forms a pathway to the next G.E.
  
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  November 10, 2020 4:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda Ardern….
disconnected

reeks of privilege

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/11/jacinda-ardern-blasted-as-disconnected-reeking-of-privilege-by-auckland-anti-poverty-group.html

Oh no….. I thought our PM was the darling of the poor, the dispossessed and the under privileged.

Has her empathy evaporated?
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November 10, 2020 2:05pm
- Nickc2
  
  It never ceases to amaze me how quickly Socialists become Capitalists once they have supped at the leader’s trough.
  Remind me again how many properties Helen Clark owns.
  No doubt Cindy will follow in her footsteps before heading off to the UN.
  
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  November 10, 2020 2:28pm
- Happy1
  
  Not too sure where this leaves the conspiracy theorists who say Ardern is a communist.
  
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  November 10, 2020 2:45pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Why? It is perfectly consistent for any Communist “elite” to embody an exception to the radical egalitarianism they espouse. Hypocrisy is their defining feature.
    
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    November 10, 2020 3:29pm
  - cmm
    
    Sorry comrade you didn’t get the memo
    
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    November 10, 2020 4:23pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  They’re just that Marxist Mexican’s outfit + John Minto….
  
  Oh, they’re in the peeps’ Parlt of aotearoa now though
  
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  November 10, 2020 3:02pm
- nasska
  
  From Maggy’s link:
  
  …..”A single adult on a Jobseeker benefit would receive $250, compared to $490 for those on the [full-time] Income Relief Payment.”……
  
  Well, that little ‘divide & conquer’ move to differentiate between career bludgers & the genuinely unemployed didn’t make it far past the first hurdle. 🙂
  
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  November 10, 2020 4:03pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Got her re-elected tho’
    
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    November 10, 2020 4:57pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9czKl_fnb4

The Art of the Steal.

There have been protests in Arizona. No riots, or
looting. People were civil to elections officials.
People from both sides are watching the vote count.
Weird things have happened in the past here. Votes
done with sharpies tend not to be read properly.
People whose ballots were ruined by sharpies didn’t
get to cast a second ballot. Dems have been up to
their usual tricks. It’s too easy to game the system.
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November 10, 2020 2:43pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ob2I12rcbk

Covid Vaccine?

A vaccine could take a while to become available. And
President Trump has sacked Mark Esper, the Sec
of Defence. Court action in Philadelphia is continuing.
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November 10, 2020 2:44pm
KevO'Brien

So it starts.
Ardern has the power but not the control –Canute knew better.
Fascinating times ahead.
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November 10, 2020 2:49pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  What do you mean? She’s governing for all of us isn’t she?
  
  Esp. the bits about her massive mandate for complete progressive transformation with cheaper housing, high wages and no industrial discord, treaty harmony, no Covid, full employment, a beautiful environment and clean water…
  
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  November 10, 2020 3:11pm
Critical Thinker

Betfair USA Presidential Election 2020

24 hours ago Trump was at 27/1 to win.

12 hours ago he was at 16/1.

30 mins ago he was at 13.5/1.

Now he’s at 11/1.

His odds are shortening very fast for some reason ?

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/11/09/attorney-general-william-barr-authorizes-doj-look-voting-irregularities/

??
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November 10, 2020 3:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Need computer forensics to look into all of those Dominion Voting machines. I am hearing things like software was updated 1 day before the election and Pelosi and Feinstein indirectly connected.
  Where there’s smoke, there’s fire
  
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  November 10, 2020 3:39pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    I didn’t realize you were that gullible Steve ?
    
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    November 10, 2020 4:04pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Denial is a river somewhere
      
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      November 10, 2020 6:06pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        I guess Trump will realize that at some stage.
        
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        November 10, 2020 8:31pm
- Mrs_Right
  
  It’s fairly normal that questions are asked when there is this many inconsistencies. It’s a concerted media narrative to make people think that Trump is only kicking up a fuss because he “lost”.
  
  It’s quite remarkable watching it.
  
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  November 10, 2020 4:15pm
- oldfella
  
  CT: this will also have an impact on those odds.
  “United States Attorney General William Barr has authorised federal prosecutors across the US to pursue “substantial allegations” of voting irregularities, if they exist, before the 2020 presidential election is certified…”
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-election-attorney-general-william-barr-authorises-probe-into-voter-fraud/S75U6D3F6ZXXFIYR5NJ6GFIH54/
  
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  November 10, 2020 4:42pm
Critical Thinker

(VIDEO) Tucker Carlson Tonight:
“It’s hard to trust anything right now. Here’s what we think we know.”
?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5ki6S-WsKU
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November 10, 2020 3:14pm
- curry4me
  
  Critical Thinker: I’d watch it, but ‘Fox News’ is dead to me.
  
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  November 10, 2020 7:13pm
surfing

I’m guessing the government is about to pay the Ihumātao maori off.

This will re-open previously settled treaty negotiations and smash open the concept of ‘full and final’ settlement. Although, that has never been the case, because settlements continue to occur but in different forms.
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November 10, 2020 3:27pm
Fletch

Republican attorneys general from across the U.S. are taking legal action in Pennsylvania to challenge mail-in ballots.

This is because the Pennsylvania Supreme Court illegally changed state election law to allow mail-in ballots to be counted post-Election Day without evidence of a postmark. They also ruled before the election that ballots cannot be tossed over a mismatched signature. The court cannot do this. Only the state Legislature can determine election law.

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/11/09/republican-attorneys-general-taking-legal-action-over-pennsylvania-mail-in-ballots/
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November 10, 2020 3:27pm
- bruceavon
  
  Even if this lawsuit succeeds, where all the rest of Trumps ones have failed, there are only 10,000 votes involved. That will include Republican votes too. I will not make any difference to the result. Biden’s ahead by 46,000 votes. It will end up being over 50k
  
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  November 10, 2020 5:55pm
igm

When are “Stuff” going to research news?
This is nothing but bullshit:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300155053/us-election-fox-news-cuts-away-from-trump-team-news-conference-after-vote-fraud-alleged-with-no-evidence
Must be two “Fo”x news outlets as I have seen nothing like this claim.
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November 10, 2020 3:37pm
- bruceavon
  
  What do you mean?? it’s being reported in outlets all over the world. There’s a video of Fox with Caluto pulling away from the press conference . . .
  What more do you need?
  
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  November 10, 2020 5:49pm
Fletch

Real Clear Politics have updated their electoral map to show the states still in play (I guess with legal suits and recounts happening). As it stands it is Trump with 124, Biden with 216, and 197 votes still in play.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/2020_elections_electoral_college_map.html
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November 10, 2020 5:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If I have 8 guns and Biden/Harris take 7, how many do I have left ?
48, coz I had some absentee gun registrations come in late
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November 10, 2020 6:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dems still saying that Americans want to hand in their guns. They say “Hand in your guns”
The rest say “Come and get them”
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