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Steve Todd

This Washington Times piece, in about an hour ago (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/5/joe-biden-lacks-legal-recourse-if-congress-overtur/?), confirms what I pointed out on Monday, here (https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/01/the_counting_of_the_electoral_college_votes.html/comment-page-1#comment-2867962), in response to DPF, that, should the joint session of Congress, currently taking place, vote to reject the certified electoral votes of certain states, e.g., Arizona (which state’s votes have been objected to, and the consequent debate is currently taking place), and replace them with fake votes, thereby handing the election to President Trump and Vice President Pence, there would be little Biden could do about it.

In other words, such action by the joint session would indeed be legal and constitutional.

Fortunately, as recently as a little over an hour ago, Vice President Pence confirmed that he does not have the authority to unilaterally reject the electoral votes from certain states. Therefore, the representatives and senators are now simply going through the motions (because neither party has a majority in both the House and the Senate); it’s just theatre.

How long it will take to certify the electoral votes, and confirm Joe Biden and Kamala Harris as duly elected, is anyone’s guess.
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January 7, 2021 8:00am
- Don Beckett
  
  Yes I agree Steve.
  Its all over bar the shouting, but I guess they have to go through the process. Whether the vote is overturned, or Biden is sworn in, whichever way it goes, the USA is going to be an increasingly divided country until they sort out their electoral system.
  Sad to see really. Major reform is necessary but Biden is not the one to do it.
  Trump was attempting to drain the swamp, but looks like the swamp is too entrenched, and they ended up beating him.
  
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  January 7, 2021 8:08am
  - virtualmark
    
    Well Don, it’s only your lot doing the shouting. This isn’t process … it’s theatre.
    
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    January 7, 2021 8:13am
    - Don Beckett
      
      I don’t follow you. Who are “my lot” ?
      
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      January 7, 2021 11:34am
  - GazzaW
    
    According to Wall St it is all over bar the shouting and the Dow Index is currently up by 600+ points or almost 2%.
    
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    January 7, 2021 8:17am
  - surfing
    
    Trump divided the country by ignoring democracy.
    
    Of course, transexuals are also dividing america (strangely considering they are less than 1% of the population).
    
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    January 7, 2021 8:35am
  - Steve Todd
    
    @Don Beckett @ 8:08AM
    
    As you know, Don, I have previously said that putting in place a Federal Elections Agency would require a constitutional amendment – to Article I, Section 2, Clause 1 (the House of Representatives) and Section 3, Clause 1 (the Senate) – which will not happen anytime soon.
    
    The States jealously guard their “rights” (under the Constitution), and their right to carry out federal elections will not be given up easily.
    
    As for “the Swamp”, and the swamp creatures that inhabit it, it’s too much for anyone to reform. One necessary reform, is to somehow reduce the power of lobbyists. One way to do that, would be to enlarge the size of the House (and, in my view, the Senate), which would spread the influence of lobbyists across a greater number of legislators, which would cost them (the lobbyists) more time and money.
    
    I have many thoughts on all that, which, just for fun, I have been developing over several years, but I’ll leave that for another time.
    
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    January 7, 2021 8:39am
  - MCos
    
    There’s divided and then there’s divided.
    In 1861 a number of states divided from the country altogether.
    
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    January 7, 2021 8:41am
  - Bea Rossini
    
    Trump is the swamp.
    
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    January 7, 2021 1:25pm
- Andrei
  
  Donald Trump took on the swamp and the swamp critters were never going to accept that.
  
  The ruling class can claim it was all democratic but this is actually the elites defending their turf .
  
  As Stalin apocryphally said “it is not who votes who counts it is who count the votes…”
  
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  January 7, 2021 8:37am
  - Batman
    
    Trump filled the swamp with toxic waste and lit the surface on fire.
    
    A very convenient line for you to push given it neatly justifies the corrupted and sham system of your hero Vlad.
    
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    January 7, 2021 9:02am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Ok, Dave.
      
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      January 7, 2021 9:04am
Doctor Sigmund Freud

Full circle.

If you want to be free, go and live in China.
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January 7, 2021 8:00am
- kowtow
  
  Major crackdown going on in HK.
  
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  January 7, 2021 8:10am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Thats right, because we are so oppressed here.
  
  Even by the mere fact that you can type and publish those very words shows how idiotic your sentiment is.
  
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  January 7, 2021 8:16am
New Zealander

Patriots storming the Capitol Building as we speak. The next two years are going to be an absolute shitstorm both here and in the USA with our far left governments.
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January 7, 2021 8:02am
- Batman
  
  You mean fascist traitors and criminals.
  
  They should be put down with the same force and tactics dolled out to the civil rights protestors.
  
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  January 7, 2021 8:35am
  - Luke Piewalker
    
    @Batman. What? Can’t handle getting back what your leftist antifa/blm rioters have dished out the last 4 years?
    Says a lot about your hypocrisy.
    
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    January 7, 2021 8:48am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    You mean fascist traitors and criminals.
    
    They should be put down with the same force and tactics dolled out to the civil rights protestors.
    
    Batman, the face of Kiwiblog 2020, gets his wish:
    Capitol Police Shoot Woman, Badly Wounding Her
    
    Looking at the Twitter feed as she’s shot and in the seconds after I’d say she’s gone. Those eyes.
    
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    January 7, 2021 10:11am
    - Batman
      
      Very sad that she has been led to a place of committing sedition and criminal acts.
      
      I hope she survives. Unfortunate that the National Guard weren’t deployed early in the day by the Trump administration in order to protect the mob from this kind of thing.
      
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      January 7, 2021 10:27am
    - herb1
      
      The Standard has long been vilified , rightly ,as a nasty cesspit of commenters.
      Unfortunately Batman , in my opinion, is dragging this once fine blog into that territory. That he’s a moderator just gives licence to others to match his tone.
      Ive stopped referring people to this blog as its embarrassing how the once artful,polite debate and disagreement has long gone.
      
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      January 7, 2021 11:48am
      - Tall Man
        
        Well said sir.
        
        Remember the banning of “ardern is a liar”. Pretty mild by today’s standards imho.
        
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        January 7, 2021 12:50pm
- surfing
  
  Ardern far left? Give me a break.
  
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  January 7, 2021 8:36am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Left of competence.
    
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    January 7, 2021 9:11am
- Brian McDonald
  
  If you claim the name New Zealander why are you afraid to identify yourself?
  
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  January 7, 2021 9:12am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Its only a nom de plume is real name is ‘Aotearoa’.
    
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    January 7, 2021 9:37am
  - Jack5
    
    On the other hand:
    
    – a pseudonym can look like a bona fide name;
    
    – there can easily be more than one person with a not-uncommon name;
    
    – in the case of common (in the sense of frequently occurring) surnames, it is likely several people share both the same Christian name and surname.
    
    Given the possible confusion and given your views on posting under a pseudonym, perhaps you, too, should identify yourself further, Brian McD.
    
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    January 7, 2021 1:25pm
- IC5000
  
  > Patriots storming the Capitol Building as we speak.
  
  I’ve found it interesting that almost all Trump supporters here are not US citizens so what legitimate interest would they have in supporting someone who proclaims an American First agenda which necessarily means their country last making them traitors to their own country if they support him. Of course Trump has a different attraction to another transnational movement based on white nationalism. It’s more palatable to support Trump as a standard bearer for the first rather than the second of these.
  
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  January 7, 2021 2:38pm
fernglas

At last. New Zealand MSM finally runs a story about expats who:
…Had the virus and didn’t die, or suffer any long term effects “I’ve had worse hangovers”
…..Don’t want to come rushing back to NZ (from which there continues to be more leaving than arriving.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/123885106/kiwi-in-uk-considers-herself-lucky-working-from-home-and-getting-covid19-with-no-lasting-effects
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January 7, 2021 8:03am
WaynelSexton

Great speech by the God-Emperor! Absolutely no sign that he will relinquish the Presidency. #CrossTheRubicon

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HrGJfQzUrnY
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January 7, 2021 8:13am
- Steve Todd
  
  Thanks for turning up, Wayne.
  
  We all know, including you, that if he refuses to leave the White House on the morning of the 20th, he will be removed – forcibly, if necessary. Part of me wants to see him being carried out, in a straight-jacket, and dumped on Pennsylvania Avenue.
  
  As I’ve said before, I hope he flies down to Florida on the 19th, and launches his 2024 campaign while Harris and Biden are being sworn in.
  
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  January 7, 2021 8:59am
  - IC5000
    
    Straitjacket? More likely cuffs at this point.
    
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    January 7, 2021 2:40pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Either would do.
      
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      January 7, 2021 3:12pm
      - IC5000
        
        With the cuffs there is that moment getting placed in the police car where the officer shoves the offenders down. Imagine Trumps hair being subjected to the law.
        
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        January 7, 2021 3:20pm
lazza

Nothing points up more the difference between Labour and National’s economic and political management positions than does Labour’s insistence on raising the basic wage by 5% in spite of MBIE’s advice to the contrary.

Socialist governments spend “it” … liberal conservative ones create wealth and adopt policies that suit the economic circumstances of the time. Labour chooses to ignore the harmful impact of its economic policies particularly on small businesses in favour of its worker voter base.
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January 7, 2021 8:16am
- artemisia
  
  The current government is working exceptionally well for many asset owners. Ka-ching. Bigly.
  
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  January 7, 2021 8:54am
Maggie Pie

Not sure ‘Greta’ has got any better looking ?
Huge hands, big shoulders…..my partner thought it was a man 😀

https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1345759558124384258
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January 7, 2021 8:17am
- dave_c_
  
  I also have seen commentary, indicating the attributes of transgenderism, and how she fits the bill to a tee.
  We have to look no further than our current leader to see how this works.
  
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  January 7, 2021 9:23am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Ugly on the inside, may be seeping out through her pours.
  
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  January 7, 2021 9:26am
- DeepBlue
  
  She is acknowledging the existence of her ‘evil handlers’. Soros employees or her parents?
  
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  January 7, 2021 10:27am
virtualmark

We are watching the Republican Party begin its own civil war and self destruction.

“You knew I was a snake when you took me in”.

“If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed … and we will deserve it.”
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January 7, 2021 8:27am
- Frank the tank
  
  Fuck off. A Never Trumper’s wet dream. The GOP will be fine.
  
  Worry about your own mob and their drift to the hard left and see how that works downstream in working class US.
  
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  January 7, 2021 2:14pm
Maggie Pie

And did anyone find it strange yesterday that it took just 5 hours to count 99% of the vote in Georgia, yet they all went home with only 1% to go.

Just saying.
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January 7, 2021 8:31am
Yvette

Waikeria prison protest prompts calls for rethink of prison reform strategy, Hōkai Rangi.
When nearly 20 prisoners stormed the roof of Waikeria Prison’s high-security unit last Wednesday, lighting mattresses on fire and causing extensive damage, they had a piece of government policy firmly within their crosshairs: Hōkai Rangi. – 1 News

The Corrections Minister said it was his view the “reasons for their actions” was not due to the conditions at the prison.
Instead of Davis telling us what he thinks was not the prisoners motivation, perhaps Davis could detail what he thinks the actual reason then is.

During the protest, one prisoner involved told RNZ: “We hear about this Hōkai Rangi strategy but we don’t see it. There is no programme. There is no rehabilitation. It’s lock us up, put you in a yard full of gang members and then let you out. And they expect us to change.”

[Hōkai Rangi aims to cut the number of Māori in prison from 52 per cent down to 16 – in line with the overall Māori population. It has set a five-year target of a 10 per cent reduction]

Does this in fact not sound true to Government form? Plenty of words, but when it comes down to it, there is simply no delivery.
And, what also does Hōkai Rangi mean when the drinking water still comes out of the taps, brown?
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January 7, 2021 8:33am
- pdm
  
  `perhaps Davis could detail what he thinks the actual reason then is.’
  
  Do you expect Davis to know something like that?
  
  Dream on!!!
  
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  January 7, 2021 8:52am
  - sooty
    
    Special K doesn’t know. Cindy hasn’t told him yet!
    
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    January 7, 2021 9:10am
    - pdm
      
      Cindy would not be a hell of a lot of help with something like that.
      
      Remember – she only fronts for good news or hugs.
      
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      January 7, 2021 9:59am
  - KH
    
    The prison riot was not about ‘conditions’. Those claims are self serving rubbish.
    You have people who have been violent and destructive most of their lives. They are locked up because they give us no choice. Many times they have had the chance to stay out, but their decision has been to continue harm.
    No matter how good the conditions this sort of group, very rare individuals, can continue their destruction. It’s what they do.
    
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    January 7, 2021 9:18am
    - IC5000
      
      > Many times they have had the chance to stay out, but their decision has been to continue harm.
      
      Maybe we should take that perspective with speeding drivers since they cannot control themselves by following basic well known rules. Take away their licence to drive for life.
      
      It’s not like they were born in abusive poverty stricken households in shitty neighborhoods so they have no excuses in breaking the law.
      
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      January 7, 2021 2:45pm
      - KH
        
        IC500. What’s your point.??? We do jail recidivist drivers. After they have been given many many chances they still choose to step down through the levels.
        Just like the rioters.
        (and these characters do kill people on the roads)
        
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        January 7, 2021 5:16pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Why do we never ever hear or read the following:
  
  “Hōkai Rangi aims to cut the number of Māori in prison from 52 per cent down to 16 – in line with the overall Māori population, by cutting the amount of crime Maori commit. It has set a five-year target of a 10 per cent reduction.” ???
  
  I’ve been reading for years that it’s a national scandal that so many Maori are in prison, that Maori are over-represented in crime statistics, and that we have to do something about it. I couldn’t agree more, but it seems I have a different view on what’s required to achieve this.
  
  It occurs to me that being aggressively positive about expectations for Maori and Maori achievement, making a big social investment in promoting health, education, a strong work ethic, a culture of achievement and an understanding of the social contract would all be good places to start. In fact the last National-led government had some very good social investment initiatives and were starting to see some real signs of progress in helping Maori to lift expectations and outcomes.
  
  Instead, Labour wants to hug the crims and let them out, and not punish them for rioting and wrecking the joint. It’s not so much the difference between a fence at the top of the cliff and the ambulance at the bottom. It’s more the difference between a strict but loving parent with high expectations, and an indulgent granny who spoils the kids rotten, knowing they don’t have to deal with the fallout.
  
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  January 7, 2021 10:28am
  - KH
    
    Alas Loddenthinks, there is the view that every fault is caused by government. And individuals can’t beblamed for anything.
    
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    January 7, 2021 1:05pm
  - cmm
    
    One of the ways they are “correcting” the problem is releasing people early and thereby tilt the field on the prison muster.
    
    The recently shot Wiringi was arrested in April, found guilty in August, sentenced to 15 months in October and was released a short while later (?? 2 months later since he was shot a few days after that).
    
    So he was sentenced to 15 months and served half of that – mostly in remand.
    
    Assuming that most are getting that sort of time off this effectively halves the prison muster.
    
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    January 7, 2021 2:00pm
  - artemisia
    
    I would like to see National’s social investment policy for at risk kids brought in. Basically remove decile funding and use the money intensively for those identified in schools and their households according to a risk matrix. Won’t happen overnight …
    
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    January 7, 2021 2:52pm
- redflagged
  
  [Hōkai Rangi aims to cut the number of Māori in prison from 52 per cent down to 16 – in line with the overall Māori population. It has set a five-year target of a 10 per cent reduction]
  
  Well then, criminals (that are also Māori) will need to stop committing crimes then since race has nothing to do with being a criminal.
  
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  January 7, 2021 2:53pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Hōkai Rangi aims to cut the number of Māori in prison from 52 per cent down to 16 – in line with the overall Māori population. It has set a five-year target of a 10 per cent reduction.
  
  Since the 52% of Maori in prison is cause by the 52% committing crimes it is only going to happen if:
  [1] They imprison a lot more whiteys, without letting any Maoris out. OR
  [2] Lower the bar for allowing Maoris to walk free. OR
  [3] Use Maori justice “Its OK bro, colonisation made you commit crime. Here, have another beer”
  
  Hōkai Rangi:
  “Partnership – we have heard a need for partnership at key levels throughout our system;
  
  “Action-planning and measurement – we will need a plan for implementing our short- and medium-term actions and a set of measures and indicators so that we can track our progress; and
  
  Accountability – there is no point having measures if we are not held to account for reaching them. We will weave accountability for these outcomes throughout our organisation at all levels, and establish an appropriate governance structure.”
  
  So there is NO plan, just a thought that they need one. So destined to fail. They haven’t realised that locking people up that are a danger to society is being accountable and responsible. So if accountability is as important as they state, the 52% may have to remain inside until they get it.
  
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  January 7, 2021 6:30pm
Observer of Life

I was playing a game on my phone last night when I noticed an advert at the bottom of the screen which said something along the lines of “ Jacinda Ardern made the right decision about Covid”. It appears all adverts last about a minute, not sure about this one though. Unfortunately it didn’t pop up again for me to take the wording in 100%. Has anyone else seen it? So my questions are: who is paying for these and why on earth would they feel them necessary? Maybe a Goebel’s fan?
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January 7, 2021 8:34am
- Jimmy White
  
  Must be a mistake. They usually flick 5 times a second while you playing the game and all but your subconscious will no see it
  
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  January 7, 2021 9:51am
- curry4me
  
  Observer of Life: There ad blockers that work for Android cell phones. I’m not srue if they work for games.
  
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  January 7, 2021 1:14pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Cheers Curry, I’m happy to ignore the adverts, but was stunned to see this one pushing St J of the P. Seriously, what was that all about? Who is responsible? Felt very much like WW2 propaganda.
    
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    January 7, 2021 4:15pm
    - curry4me
      
      Observer of Life: Don’t forget the ads cost you time and money. Try a free ad blocker. I sent the link for this one to my cousin. It works on her Android phone. http://www.getadblock.com/android/
      
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      January 7, 2021 7:20pm
NK

Practically civil war on the steps of Capitol Hill right now, encouraged and abetted by Trump. He is a fucking disgrace, as is anyone who supports this anarchy.
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January 7, 2021 8:35am
- bruceavon
  
  A disgrace in Washington at the moment. Inside the Capitol Building and out. The futile protest speeches in the house. A senator turns up in support of the rejection of the electoral vote, when no one can check it, with a thousand affidavits. The question being, where were they when the courts were looking at it?
  Mitch McConnell speech denouncing this action was excellent. His point being if the senate can decide not to count votes, the state vote and college system is over. You simply do not need to have any election anymore. No governments who controls the senate would ever be voted out. Its moronic. As for the Trump supporter protest. It is futile too, and will fail.
  
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  January 7, 2021 8:58am
  - fernglas
    
    Look on the bright side. I see about 4-500 people involved in this nonsense. Somewhere else 330,999,550 people are not.
    
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    January 7, 2021 9:26am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Oh, so anarchy is a bad thing now, is it? Many were quite happy when the BLM and antifa thugs were rioting, looting, shooting, setting the place on fire and attacking citizens going about their legitimate business.
  
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  January 7, 2021 10:32am
Okahu

Ahh wonderful. The seditionist maggots have stormed the Capitol of the United States.

Congratulations all those who support the fantasist president and his mouth breathing goons. The stench of your thinking is overwhelming all decency.

I don’t know how your desperate fever dream ends but for the sake of of democracy, end it must.
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January 7, 2021 8:40am
Batman

Well, I did warn the Trumpers here that they were marching towards violence and uprising based on a false reality and an authoritarian ideology.

Now the dude Bros are inside the Capitol and raising a giant wooden cross outside.

We’re right back to the KKK and racial segregation, all thanks to MAGA.

I. Told. You. So.
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January 7, 2021 8:41am
- Luke Piewalker
  
  @Batman … but its okay when your lot use violence and uprising based on a false reality and an authoritarian ideology?
  
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  January 7, 2021 8:50am
  - Batman
    
    You’re confused, Luke, and a racist, based on your other comment.
    
    Largely peaceful civil rights protests were dealt with harshly whereas here the white supremacists have been able to enter the Senate chamber as of a few minutes ago.
    
    Go back to your basement, little fascist.
    
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    January 7, 2021 8:59am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      HAHAHA
      They are showing you what a PEACEFUL demonstration looks like.
      No shooting police
      No burning buildings
      No destruction of property
      No looting
      No violence….at all.
      
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      January 7, 2021 9:05am
    - emmess
      
      Largely peaceful?
      You really have no sense of irony, do you?
      The protest was largely peaceful, I don’t condone breaking through barriers, but the left have totally brought this on themselves by their lack of condemnation if BLM/Antifa six months ago and it is totally hypocritical to complain.
      
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      January 7, 2021 9:15am
      - Batman
        
        Sorry but some violence around the edge of protests from the same agitators and dumbarses that every country has, is not the same as an attempted coup by the extremist supporters of the President, at his behest.
        
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        January 7, 2021 9:18am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @batman: “Sorry but some violence around the edge of protests from the same agitators and dumbarses that every country has.
        
        It’s very clear to see who the fantasist is, if you believe your own BS.
        
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        January 7, 2021 10:36am
    - Grant
      
      “Largely peaceful civil rights protests were dealt with harshly….”
      Like in Portland and Seattle Batman?
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      January 7, 2021 10:23am
- marleybob
  
  But it’s OK when your buddies Antifa and blm do the same, right butman.
  
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  January 7, 2021 8:59am
  - Batman
    
    Oh such a narrow world view you have. They’re not my buddies in almost any reality.
    
    You may recall that those protests were put down with harsh police tactics, rubber bullets, and tear gas.
    
    Yet suddenly the white supremacists are allowed to reach the senate floor….
    
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    January 7, 2021 9:04am
    - emmess
      
      No, cops were kneeling before them.
      
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      January 7, 2021 9:16am
  - Lance
    
    Conversely a lot of comments here are saying that this ‘action’ is all good because some BLM protesters were violent.
    
    Pick one option please, you are either pro violence and mob rule, or you are not?
    
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    January 7, 2021 11:18am
    - marcw
      
      Or C) All protests are good, but violence is not acceptable and perpetrators should be treated equally.
      
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      January 7, 2021 11:29am
- JibberJabber
  
  Seriously, how deluded are you?
  It’s your BLM and Antifa looter and rioter buddies that have been the ones actually calling for segregation for the last year.
  
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  January 7, 2021 9:10am
  - Batman
    
    It’s only segregation in the eyes of white supremacists who fear other people having a voice.
    
    This coup attempt is a direct result of the hero-worship of Trump that has been peddled by the conservative media you’ve all been binging.
    
    You reap what you sow.
    
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    January 7, 2021 9:24am
Yvette

[Islamic Women’s Council spokeswoman Anjum] Rahman said it’s important a coronial inquest takes place in order to look into things the royal commission missed.
“It didn’t look at how this individual was radicalised and what interactions they had through social media, we know that YouTube was a factor but the royal commission didn’t look at it.
“If we want to learn from this and prevent such things from happening again its really important that this work is done by the chief coroner,” she said.
The chief coroner said if there are any issues that cannot be resolved through this information sharing process, an inquest may follow. – RNZ

“It [the royal commission] didn’t look at how this individual was radicalised “ is an incorrect statement.

But claiming that YouTube was a factor, did Anjum herself or anyone known to her, specifically raise this matter with Police and what exactly was the concern, related to Tarrant, that she or any other person expressed?
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January 7, 2021 8:52am
MCos

An armed standoff at the doors of the House of Representatives!
In any other country this would be an attempted coup and in some executions would follow.
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January 7, 2021 8:59am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Armed standoff
  what a vivid imagination you have.
  Armed with what ?
  FLAGS, SIGNS and MAGA hats?
  
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  January 7, 2021 9:08am
  - MCos
    
    Guns according to TV reports.
    
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    January 7, 2021 9:20am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Same tv reporters that swore black was blue, that the Russian conspiracy was true???? for 4 yrs…..
      TV reporter = novel authors….these days.
      
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      January 7, 2021 9:34am
  - Batman
    
    A number of them have weapons. Someone had been shot and a number of shots heard.
    
    It’s not like security are screening them at the door….
    
    This is the Trump family coup, and the protesters are their brownshirts.
    
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    January 7, 2021 9:25am
  - MCos
    
    Here’s some pictures
    https://twitter.com/hillelneuer/status/1346920121349124104?s=21
    
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    January 7, 2021 10:00am
  - tf78
    
    RWC – but there is severe milling around going on whilst waving flags.
    
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    January 7, 2021 10:02am
- JibberJabber
  
  You disappointed, Bro?
  
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  January 7, 2021 9:19am
  - MCos
    
    Seen it all before, usually in the sort of countries that consider America a shining example of crowd control.
    
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    January 7, 2021 9:40am
- Steve Todd
  
  Just announced: the National Guard is on its way.
  
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  January 7, 2021 9:45am
Maggie Pie

We’re both just laying here channel surfing at the moment…..the action footage coming out of Washington DC is incredible!
Hopefully it will get even more exciting as the day progresses.

MAGA!!
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January 7, 2021 9:00am
- Okahu
  
  you are a sick wee maggot
  
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  January 7, 2021 9:17am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The ‘uptick’ was from my partner 😛
    
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    January 7, 2021 9:38am
    - Okahu
      
      bullshit
      cats can’t type
      
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      January 7, 2021 9:48am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Are you a Maori – or just pretending to be ?
        
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        January 7, 2021 10:21am
Maggie Pie

It seemed like quite a party atmosphere outside the Capitol building – although someone just ran up to the bbc film crew yelling…… “The FBI have just shot a woman”

FAAAARK.
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January 7, 2021 9:13am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Sick sense of humour but at least it is a SENSE of humour.
  
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  January 7, 2021 9:22am
- fernglas
  
  Don’t worry. She’s probably not black.
  
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  January 7, 2021 9:28am
  - BAM
    
    She’s not even a she.
    
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    January 7, 2021 7:37pm
- MCos
  
  You watch WHO?
  
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  January 7, 2021 9:44am
Wired-one

I dont agree with today’s behavior in the U.S but I can understand it. The way that Trump has been treated these past four years has been embarrassing. Yes Trump can be a buffoon and I do not agree with a lot of what he does, but people have a breaking point and I get why his supporters feel the way they do. Sooner or later the right was always going to push back. Just look at what we are witnessing currently in NZ. Policy failure everywhere you look, a government backed up by a sycophantic and biased media, supporters on the right, demonized, silenced and threatened with cancel culture tactics and no real consequences or criticism for all of this governments lies, failures or ineptitude, what do you think that all leads to? Thankfully we in this country arent as divided as the states but we are definitely heading that way. I honestly dont know what the answer is, but this partisanship needs to be reigned in all over the world.
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January 7, 2021 9:32am
- fernglas
  
  If you choose a buffoon to be your President, you take the consequences.
  
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  January 7, 2021 10:06am
  - ISeeRed
    
    What if you voted for or supported a mass murderer like Obama or Clinton? What consequences should you face?
    
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    January 7, 2021 11:58am
    - fernglas
      
      The consequences.
      
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      January 7, 2021 12:42pm
- Unity
  
  Hear, hear Wired-one. You have put it exactly how I feel about all of this carry-on. However, I do hope it all ends without bloodshed in the States but good on the people for pushing back. Like you said Trump can come across as a buffoon and I too don’t agree with everything he does but he has done a lot of good for America and kept the peace in the Middle East proving to those who thought he was dangerous, that he is not.
  
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  January 7, 2021 12:05pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  The parties who condemn this sort of reaction are also the parties who consciously provoke this sort of reaction. We don’t need to look far to find the source of increased “radicalisation” – those who condemn dissent.
  
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  January 7, 2021 12:29pm
- curry4me
  
  Wired-one: You’ve got some good points there. Push people too far, and they snap. I hope things calm down now.
  
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  January 7, 2021 1:24pm
Maggie Pie

Just on the ‘Fake News’ channel….
reporter Wolf Blitzem blaming it all on President Trump.

How bloody typical
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January 7, 2021 10:03am
Maggie Pie

And no word from Joe Biden yet?

Although to be fair, it is nap time.
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January 7, 2021 10:09am
GazzaW

Maybe it’s you that’s napping Maggie.

We have just heard an excellent address from Jo Biden. Anyone who doubts his competence and leadership abilities may care to reconsider.
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January 7, 2021 10:12am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Fair enuff Gazz. Must have just missed it.
  My partner went for a shower and I swapped channels to watch ‘Hollywood Medium’
  
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  January 7, 2021 10:31am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I am seeing comments about Antifa dressed as Patriots. They did say they would blend in and create havoc. Watch the media report any violence will be from Trump supporters.
This is from posts by people like Will Johnson, Dan Bongino, Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens and others.
Seriously ,look at those inside fighting with the authorities – Republican supporters do not behave like that
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January 7, 2021 10:16am
- tf78
  
  Steve, funny you should say that as I said to my husband when I started watching it live an hour ago that those guys look like antifa as they weren’t dressed like your usual Trump supporters.
  
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  January 7, 2021 10:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I saw the Police escorting 5 busloads of them in, separating them from the true supporters. Police protect Antifa and BLM
    
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    January 7, 2021 10:34am
- RichardX
  
  Cool story bro
  
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  January 7, 2021 10:27am
rockape

Meanwhile in the world that realy matters to us. More evidence of this Labour Governments incompetence. STUFF “There’s no end in sight to the housing shortage, with new data showing the number of houses available for sale nationwide fell to a 13-year low in December.

Realestate.co.nz’s latest market report had just 12,932 homes available for purchase in New Zealand at the end of December, which is 29.1 per cent less than at the same time last year.

It also had housing stock down year-on-year in almost every region in New Zealand during December, with 16 of the 19 regions hitting all-time lows since records began 13 years ago. “
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January 7, 2021 10:32am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I never thought we’d ever vote Labor…..but the way things are going, if they keep this incompetence up, we certainly might consider it next time.
  
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  January 7, 2021 11:01am
- artemisia
  
  Thoughts on the reasons for low level of properties for sale? No single answer, but how about these for a start – waiting for 5 year bright line test to end, property carrying a ringfenced net rental loss, low interest rates but rents rising, shortages of rentals means no need to offer to risky tenants, owners hopeful that property prices will continue to rise and able to wait, owners wanting to trade up but prices too high in the same market, LVR changes happened already and more to come.
  
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  January 7, 2021 11:28am
  - JackRabbit
    
    [1] Property is a hedge against inflation (when it returns with a resounding thump).
    [2] With the increased instability of Covid-19 and the pending collapse of democracy in the last major bastion of free enterprise, the USA, people need hard assets.
    [3] Rising prices. If you sell one over valued property, you will have to buy another over valued property.
    
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    January 7, 2021 6:18pm
    - rockape
      
      I bought my 5 acres and built on it in 2011. I didn’t buy for the increase in value, but, because I could be self sufficient, keep a few cows , grow my own veg and all the fruit I need. It’s nice that since I built it has gone from 500k to 1.2 million. However my use hasn’t changed . I don’t need the profit but being self sufficient is my hedge against the hyper inflation that is coming.
      
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      January 7, 2021 8:15pm
rockape

Then we have the dumb lefties wondering why this happens. Newshub ”

Property analysts have blamed skyrocketing house prices on the Government’s unwillingness to do anything that might bring them down and people who own multiple properties taking advantage of cheap lending.

Values rose quickly in 2020 despite the recession and pandemic, defying predictions of a massive slump. New data released Wednesday by CoreLogic shows that trend continued right up until the end of the year, values up another 2.6 percent in December alone.

The 6.1 percent quarterly rise is the biggest since 2004. Annual double-digit percentage rises were seen in most regions – Gisborne led the way, with values up 30.4 percent in 2020, followed by Whanganui (24.9), Palmerston North (20.3) and Rotorua (19.2).

The main centres were no exception, with values up 15.4 percent in Wellington, 13.1 percent in Dunedin, 11.7 percent in Hamilton, 9.1 percent in Auckland and 6.2 percent in Christchurch. “
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January 7, 2021 11:00am
- rockape
  
  By the time we get another National Government , probably 2026 house prices will have doubled yet again. Wasnt affordable housing a priority for Jacinda?
  
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  January 7, 2021 11:04am
  - oldfella
    
    Yep, rockape, affording housing, an end to child poverdy… the list is very long.
    And yet to be addressed by Cindy in any meaningful way.
    
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    January 7, 2021 11:22am
  - artemisia
    
    We have been told an announcement about affordable housing is coming very soon. On past form the announcement will be there will be less affordable housing in practice. Reading between the lines.
    
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    January 7, 2021 11:32am
    - JackRabbit
      
      “We have been told an announcement about affordable housing is coming very soon.”
      
      The only way that will happen if Jacinda opens up her house to the poor and needy.
      
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      January 7, 2021 6:20pm
Maggie Pie

Remember I posted here yesterday about the number of quintessential leftard posers on 1ZB called….. ‘Tim’ ?

There’s yet another one on right now. A real ‘Trump -Hater’ that’s encouraging all the old sycophants to ring in and agree.

Don’t know why you’d bother tuning in there anymore. Even Hoskings has lost it.
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January 7, 2021 11:24am
Gulag1917

On a lighter note during the 1970’s a NZ government department issued a 10 page report on instructions “How to make a cup of tea”.
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January 7, 2021 11:46am
- niggly
  
  And during the 2020’s the Labour Govt formed a Working Party to update that report – it will cost $2.5M and should be finished towards the end of 2023!
  
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  January 7, 2021 11:53am
Benedict Yu

Makes me angry that stuff publishes this rubbish.

“Farmers must act now to cut methane, environmentalist warns”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/123869778/farmers-must-act-now-to-cut-methane-environmentalist-warns

Some notable extracts:

“New Zealand is the big agricultural emissions country of the world, as a proportion of our total emissions, 48 per cent of our emissions are agricultural emissions.

“We’ve really got to seize the opportunity of this coming year to get agriculture really pulling its weight, and showing change leadership to other livestock-producing countries.”

No, China and Brazil will roll on the floor laughing and grab our market share.

“Sheep, beef and dairy farmers had to be encouraged to change their land use, with the McKinsey report recommending a switch to poultry, pork and plants, Salmon said.”

Ending the sheep, beef and dairy industries (or destroying them) will effectively destroy New Zealand. We now have no tourists. This guy now wants to destroy farmers because ‘climate change’. Where does he think New Zealand will get its foreign exchange? Exporting chickens I guess.
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January 7, 2021 11:54am
Maggie Pie

Do you know, that in the last 4 years I have never heard a Newsreader on either ZB or TV1, refer to the POTUS as……. “PRESIDENT Trump”

It’s always been just Trump

What does that tell you?
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January 7, 2021 12:44pm
- Unity
  
  The media have been against him (on a daily basis) since Day One which only made me take more note of what he was actually doing FOR America. That’s why he has so much support – because he actually did good for America, according to his supporters. It’s hard for us to judge because we do not live there and the media never once said anything positive about him so we can only take on board what those for him are saying. A friend of mine has an Air BnB in the Coromandel area and she had a lot of Americans passing through. She always asked their opinion of Trump and never once was it anything other than positive and how he was finally putting America first. We need these conversations because we can’t trust the Media – here or abroad.
  
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  January 7, 2021 12:49pm
- SB2
  
  Like , Bill GWB, Obummer, Killary etc when it suits Whats your point?
  
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  January 7, 2021 1:19pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Did you remember to get that old sock out from under your bed Steph?
    Wouldn’t want the lady from the rental agency finding it on the next inspection.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    January 7, 2021 1:59pm
  - Unity
    
    Apparently many people approve of what he’s doing in spite of him being a buffoon. Who are we to judge from afar? Obviously he’s doing something right if the many are anything to go by. I don’t doubt for one moment that something very nefarious has been going on but who’s to say this isn’t the norm for American elections. However it’s just too much of a coincidence that, with the media and the Democrats never accepting defeat in the previous election, they should win this one, given the support Trump obviously has – millions. So many Americans speak highly of what he has done FOR America.
    
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    January 7, 2021 2:06pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEHdUP-RBHo

Presitator Gets New War Powers.

China’s Communist leader Xi Jinping has just given himself even more war powers and control over the Chinese military. And he’s going to use it to protect the Chinese Communist Party’s “development interests,” and the China economy. That means trouble for the South China Sea, Taiwan, and any Biden China dealings that may come up. Is that war thunder I hear?
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January 7, 2021 1:03pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwqmyY93P8k

There Could be a Possible US-Russia Alliance Soon Simply to Kick China Out of the Arctic.

Trump and Pompeo have managed to put Beijing in an awkward position here, which is clearly unnerving the Chinese government. Trump understands his Russian counterpart’s insecurities about China’s Arctic plans. An *Biden presidency would slow this process down, given who owns Beiing Biden.
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January 7, 2021 1:07pm
Stu2

So Trump has lost the White House, lost the senate after spending two months lying about the election and encouraged today’s debacle in DC.

No judgement, no sense, no honesty

Doesn’t look like someone the republicans could put forward in 2024

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January 7, 2021 1:07pm
SB2

President George W. Bush condemns riots: “This is how election results are disputed in a banana republic”

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-01-06/ex-president-george-w-bush-condemns-dc-riots-as-sickening-and-heartbreaking
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January 7, 2021 1:20pm
Maggie Pie

What kind of bullshit is this?

TWITTER have just locked Trumpy OUT for 12 hours and removed some of his tweets!!
They would have been lost without him for the last 4 years.

https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1346970430062485505

Even I’m thinking now of telling @jack to stik it up his arse.
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January 7, 2021 1:51pm
- Unity
  
  My understanding is that because the media were against him from Day One, Trump had to take to Twitter to get his side of things out there, even though he often came across as a buffoon. It now sounds as though Twitter is against him. He was never Presidential but many Americans thought he had achieved a lot for America as evidenced by the numbers now protesting.
  
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  January 7, 2021 2:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jack does not have one – he has two pussies
  
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  January 7, 2021 4:56pm
Than

OK, the USA now has its own Sturmabteilung. I know I’m feeling very safe right now (in case that wasn’t obvious, /sarc). On an unrelated note, my door is very solidly locked.
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January 7, 2021 2:42pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123890446/jacinda-ardern-on-us-capitol-riot-democracy-should-never-be-undone-by-a-mob
So Ardern can find the time to comment on US politics but is nowhere to be seen when gang thugs take over a NZ prison for nearly a week.
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January 7, 2021 2:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Those 4 shitheads from stuff need to grow up (Damian George, Marine Lourens, Josephine Franks and Matthew Rilkoff) How about some ‘adult’ reporting please?
  This was a Trump rally, turned into a riot by Antifa – they said they would do it
  
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  January 7, 2021 3:30pm
- Unity
  
  Have we got a Prime Minister? We must live and learn!!
  
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  January 7, 2021 3:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Part time. She has been PTPM for over 3 years
    
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    January 7, 2021 4:57pm
Maggie Pie

When you consider Twitter saw fit to remove 3 of President Trump’s tweets, AND block him for the next 12 hours, how does a nasty little prick like ‘Mickyanonamouse’ get away with tweeting something like this? 🙁

https://twitter.com/Mickyanonamouse/status/1346994165033394176
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January 7, 2021 2:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Other Trump tweets were blocked from sharing by Twitter – why would they do that? To keep the ball rolling maybe?
  
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  January 7, 2021 3:31pm
  - curry4me
    
    Steve Otto(North Shore) : He shoul have a back up Gab account. He uses Twit-ter to stir up the usual suspects, and get free publicity.
    
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    January 7, 2021 7:08pm
redflagged

With Police fully armed this week in Christchurch and them not shooting anyone (much like the ART, that responded to Crime, not race) then Police getting shot at in Rotorua, and somewhere else last month, whilst not being armed.

Then gang shootings and assaults on Police on an upward trend since 2013, disrespect, runaway drivers, and let’s not forget murdered Police Officers, this is good timing and overdue for a common sense society, where some people don’t respect the Police. Everyone respects the gun.

Petition urge the Government to pass legislation requiring that all frontline police officers in New Zealand carry firearms on their person at all times.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/petitions/document/PET_104473/petition-of-mark-ross-require-police-officers-in-new-zealand
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January 7, 2021 3:02pm
Okahu

Well. I suppose the maggots can crawl back to their trailer parks and continue on with cuzzin’ breedin’ and binge watching duck dynasty and the aspirational antics of the kardasshians, eh maggie.

But the chief maggots must be mercilessly prosecuted for the sceptic outrage they visited on their society.

When will DPF put his big boy pants on and start squashing the maggots that have been attracted to his offerings? We can (and no person with any decency ever did) have no doubt that the maga fans have no place in a democracy other than to undermine it.

How about some backbone Mr Farrar?
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January 7, 2021 3:04pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I take that as a ‘YES’ then? 😀
  
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  January 7, 2021 3:59pm
MCos

Message on Twitter

‘I would like to be the first Thai to welcome American to our lovely club’
https://www.thaienquirer.com/22531/americans-finally-know-what-its-like-when-the-us-president-orders-a-coup/
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