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Steve Todd

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Interesting article about Trump’s upcoming pardons list: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/donald-trumps-pardon-list-may-include-family-celebrities-himself-report-2349404.

He is considering pardons for Javanka, and is still working through whether he has the authority to pardon himself, which would be an unprecedented abomination, and tantamount to admitting “that he thought he [and Javanka] might be prosecuted for breaking the law.”
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January 9, 2021 8:01am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Oh, God. “… according to people familiar with the matter”? Give it up mate.
  
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  January 9, 2021 8:10am
- MarkF
  
  Who is Javanka?
  Can you be “pardoned” if you haven’t been convicted of anything? Part of the pardoning process is the tacit admission of guilt. An interesting conundrum.
  
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  January 9, 2021 8:27am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Nixon was never convicted (or even charged), but was pardoned by Ford.
    As for self-pardon – most commentators agree it is a legal impossibility. Sure, it would be an admission by Trump that he would be convicted of federal crimes, but his cult members would never accept the legitimacy of any such convictions.
    
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    January 9, 2021 8:33am
  - Steve Todd
    
    I’m sure you know who Javanka are, but for those who genuinely might not, it is a reference [favoured by Vanity Fair] to Jared and Ivanka.
    
    The question of preemptive pardons is discussed in the article, Mark.
    
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    January 9, 2021 8:40am
    - Biscuit
      
      I guessed the meaning, Todd – it will shock you to learn I don’t subscribe to ‘Vanity Fair’ – but the ordering there seems a tad ‘off’ – Ivanka sure looks like she’s the dominant partner in that relationship so why ain’t it Ivred or some variant thereof?
      
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      January 9, 2021 8:50am
      - Steve Todd
        
        You can call me Steve, Biscuit.
        
        Of course you guessed it, but MarkF claims not to have, hence the clarification.
        
        Why would I be shocked that you don’t subscribe to Vanity Fair? I don’t either, but I occasionally access it online. You can, too, should you wish to.
        
        As for the rest of your comment, I’ll leave that sort of nonsense for others to respond to.
        
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        January 9, 2021 9:21am
      - Biscuit
        
        Ah soz for the name mix-up, Steve.
        
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        January 9, 2021 9:23am
      - simonway
        
        I don’t think the “order” is about who is the “dominant” partner, but about what is more euphonious.
        
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        January 9, 2021 12:16pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Apology happily accepted, Biscuit.
        
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        January 9, 2021 12:27pm
    - MarkF
      
      Javanka well I learned something new today. Thanks.
      
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      January 9, 2021 9:08am
      - Steve Todd
        
        You’re welcome, Mark.
        
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        January 9, 2021 9:24am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Mark Todd ?? 😉
        
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        January 9, 2021 9:57am
      - Steve Todd
        
        No relation, Don.
        
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        January 9, 2021 12:16pm
    - oldfella
      
      Steve, if Jared and Ivanka are ‘Javanka’, will Vanity Fair now describe slow Joe and wife/caregiver, Jill as ‘Jilljo’?
      Rhymes with dildo.
      
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      January 9, 2021 10:16am
      - Steve Todd
        
        We wait with bated breath, oldfella.
        
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        January 9, 2021 11:13am
      - FrankC
        
        Well, the leader of the opposition over in Australia is AnAl. Fitting for a labour party leader.
        
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        January 9, 2021 10:31pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    Yes. Pre-emptively. Trump said he could but why would he but he will have changed his tune now there are strong grounds for sedition and incitement for treason.
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:46am
    - Don Beckett
      
      On that basis, Obama should have been charged similarly for his incitement of the Brownsville riots.
      
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      January 9, 2021 11:59am
      - Bea Rossini
        
        Tell us more about that Don, and maybe a citation.
        
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        January 9, 2021 3:16pm
      - Bea Rossini
        
        *tumbleweeds* ……
        
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        January 9, 2021 11:44pm
- Inandout
  
  ST, if I was Trump and knowing the jackals are wishing to bring him down again in the courts, I would do the same. Those pricks will just keep on and on and get the oxygen they desperately need to keep the media making some money. Yes it would be a wise move by Donald.
  
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  January 9, 2021 8:29am
  - Liberty
    
    It has got nothing to do with the media making money.
    It is all about the fact Trump is as guilty as sin.
    
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    January 9, 2021 9:10am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Guilty of what exactly?
      
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      January 9, 2021 9:16am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Well, Don, Trump clearly thinks he could be found guilty of something, which is why he has had his people working on the question of whether or not he can self-pardon for at least the last couple of years.
        
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        January 9, 2021 9:30am
      - Inandout
        
        DB, guilty of being Trump, a non politician, and to the swamp someone who exposed their desperate featherbedding. The ball is now rolling and I sense the people have had a gutsfull of Washington and the childish Pelosi rants and won’t stay placid.
        
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        January 9, 2021 9:45am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Process treason…
        
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        January 9, 2021 9:48am
      - Monique Watson
        
        Sedition and incitement to treason. Oh and there is the slight matter of the wording of his conversation with Raffensberger soliciting 10780 votes. Clear bribery and blackmail treated as a misdemeanor. Oh the ‘other side has plenty of hamburger and rope to to feed a jury, impeach him, tie him up and put him away with.
        
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        January 9, 2021 10:56am
      - ISeeRed
        
        Jay-sus. Someone tries to expose and reform an utterly corrupt political establishment dominated by warmongers and monied interests, a mass-murdering plutocracy that swaps out a puppet president every 8 years, and you want him jailed. We live in a high-tech Orwellian dystopia.
        
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        January 9, 2021 11:37am
      - Nickc2
        
        Monique Watson @1046AM
        ‘conversation with Raffensberger soliciting 10780 votes’
        Bullshit Monique! Read the transcript of the call FFS. He has been misquoted (conveniently to achieve a desired outcome).
        Fact check:
        “Trump pressures Georgia’s Raffensperger to overturn his defeat in extraordinary call” read the headline from the Washington Post.
        CNN called the leaked audio “astonishing new evidence of a desperate President Donald Trump” trying to “steal the election,” claiming Trump “tried to bully” Raffensperger “into finding votes” for him.
        But a review of the transcript of the call shows no such thing. The Washington Post claimed that Trump “repeatedly urged [Raffensperger] to alter the outcome of the presidential vote in the state,” but that isn’t what happened.
        Throughout the conversation, Trump lays out the evidence that there was voter fraud in the state, and demands an honest accounting of the ballots, which he believes would give him more than 11,000 votes needed to win the state. “I just want to find 11,780 votes,” is the key quote cited by the media, but there’s more to the quote.
        “So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state,” is what Trump said, in context. He also insisted that “there’s no way I lost Georgia. There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.”
        During the conversation, Trump laid out the evidence, explaining how there “4,502 voters who voted but who weren’t on the voter registration list,” and “18,325 vacant address voters” whose votes should not have been counted. He even mentioned 904 votes linked to post office boxes, which is also not allowed. Trump also mentioned the State Farm videotape that corresponds to a late-night vote dump of at least 18,000 votes which were counted after Republican poll watchers were told to leave. Trump brought up nearly 5,000 out-of-state votes, 2,326 absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses, and roughly 5,000 votes from dead people. Then there are the suspicious military ballots that went all for Biden.
        
        This was posted on this blog on the 5th of January. Suggest you keep up with the play FFS.
        
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        January 9, 2021 1:15pm
      - curry4me
        
        Don Beckett: Of not being a roll over Republican like Pierre Delecto.
        
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        January 9, 2021 3:18pm
      - Chris Scott
        
        ISeeRed
        Jay-sus. Someone tries to expose and reform an utterly corrupt political establishment dominated by warmongers and monied interests, a mass-murdering plutocracy that swaps out a puppet president every 8 years, and you want him jailed.
        
        This is what I don’t understand about Trumpists. I get that he speaks his mind etc but he’s even more corrupt than The Establishment not to mention his fondness of nepotism and despotism. You’d be better off with Bernie Sanders if you really want to get rid of political corruption.
        
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        January 9, 2021 3:21pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Ooooh, sin you say? Did he covet his neighbour’s ass?
      
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      January 9, 2021 10:49am
  - Steve Todd
    
    @Inandout @ 8:29AM
    
    No-one is suggesting Tiffany needs a preemptive pardon, Inandout. Why? Because she has done nothing wrong.
    
    Same with Trump, himself. The matter of a preemptive self-pardon has been playing on his mind for a long time, because he knows his “enemies” have good reason to come after him, once he is no longer president. He knows they will have a case, perhaps several cases, against him.
    
    If he was perceived to be as innocent as his younger daughter, he would not need to fear those of his enemies who were foolish enough to take him on; he would have the financial (and legal) wherewithal to see them off, one-by-one, and benefit (politically) from doing so.
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:16am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Typical Trump, bales out and blames his supporters after he stirred them up. To save his own neck he’d give evidence against them if he could.
    
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    January 9, 2021 11:13am
    - redeye
      
      There have been 12 solid months of violent protests right across the USA in the name of BLM and Antifa. And these violent riots have been largely cheered on by the like of MSNBC and CNN and the Democrat party.
      The same crowd happily promoted people like Maxine Walters publicly when she called for their supporters to harass anyone from the right. They defended the BLM rioters when they chased Paul Rand and his family through the streets of Washington.
      Well when you normalise violence protest have guess what your going to get?
      And now, rather than trying for peace, all the left can think about is revenge and retribution.
      And unfortunately it’s not only the left.
      
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      January 9, 2021 12:15pm
      - redeye
        
        Sorry I meant Rand Paul of course:-)
        
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        January 9, 2021 12:47pm
    - Jim
      
      Yep he lied, riled them up, and now he’s cut them loose and pondering a self-pardon.
      
      There’s a video clip, around the news sites, of WV Delegate Derrick Evans being hauled away by federal agents. His grandmother is in that clip and she is clearly pissed at Trump.
      
      One can only hope this will open a few more eyes. The rats leaving the White House are certainly feeling free to speak their minds now.
      
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      January 9, 2021 1:31pm
- Andrei
  
  President Trump has issued less pardons than any other living President by a substantial margin – the reigning champion in number of Pardons issued is William Jefferson Clinton
  
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  January 9, 2021 8:34am
  - Biscuit
    
    A link to all the Presidential pardons ever (to date!) issued:
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the_president_of_the_United_States
    
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    January 9, 2021 9:04am
    - marcw
      
      A more relevant link is to the Pew Research Foundation publication, a copy of their report on Presidential Pardons is in Tom Hunter’s blog post, ‘No Minister’.
      https://nominister.wordpress.com/2021/01/02/double-standards-part-1-billion/
      
      To Trump’s total should be added the approx. 20 pardons advised last week. These make only minor difference to the overall picture however.
      
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      January 9, 2021 9:25am
      - SB2
        
        But pardons in the context of a one-term President. What he may of planned in a second term makes one justifiably wonder.
        
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        January 9, 2021 9:54am
  - Steve Todd
    
    One reason for that might be that he has many more enemies than “friends”.
    
    Regardless, let’s wait and see the final list that is released on the 19th. I’m predicting it will almost literally blow the minds of us “ordinary” people.
    
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    January 9, 2021 9:35am
    - Biscuit
      
      Steve, I’m hopeful that Mr Trump will overlook my personal dislike of his demeanour and issue me a pardon for stuffing your name up in my 8.50am post!
      
      I must re-read me my papers about why the founding fathers of ‘these United States of America’ reasoned it would be necessary to have the President empowered to offer pardons.
      
      Unless you (or any Kiwiblogger) has a quick link to help clue me in there.
      
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      January 9, 2021 12:50pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        No worries, Biscuit. I was a wee bit miffed at the time, as probably came through in the “tone” of my response, but all good now.
        
        On the assumption that President Trump doesn’t pardon you for your “Offense” against me (rather than against the United States), I hereby formally grant you a pardon now. ?
        
        I put “History of the Constitutional power of pardon” into Google, and plenty came up, including this: https://www.whitehousehistory.org/the-history-of-the-pardon-power.
        
        Also, check this out, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_pardons_in_the_United_States, particularly the section headed Self-pardons. I note with interest this excerpt: “At the Virginia Ratifying Convention, the delegate George Mason argued against ratification partly on the grounds that ‘the President ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself.’” The accompanying Note 15 takes readers to this article, reacting to Roger Stone’s pardon: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/traditional-interpretation-pardon-power-wrong/614083/.
        
        Enjoy.
        
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        January 9, 2021 2:47pm
      - curry4me
        
        Biscuit: Because a president is a substitute for a king. Some kings could issue pardons back in the day. Edward IV, for eample pardoned rebels.
        
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        January 9, 2021 3:23pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Yea, as reported in Fair Vanity, Clinton pardoned Hillz Baby preemptively just in case she did something stupid in the future. Which she did.
    
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    January 9, 2021 11:04am
    - Mike
      
      Wut?
      
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      January 9, 2021 11:35am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    The reason for that is that he would expect big favours or the person being pardoned had something on him.
    
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    January 9, 2021 11:15am
- Clyde
  
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  Hence it is important that the articles of impeachment are bought to the House as quickly as possible. Trump can’t pardon criminals if he isn’t President.
  
  Surely now there can be no doubt in the minds of clear-thinking people that Trump is not now, and has been, acting only in his own interests.
  
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  January 9, 2021 8:40am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Sure – that’s why he donated all his presidential salary to charity.
    
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    January 9, 2021 9:17am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Allegedly.
      
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      January 9, 2021 9:39am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Or a charity that donated back in some way.
        
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        January 9, 2021 11:16am
    - alwyn
      
      And I’m sure you believe this. Just out of curiosity what evidence do you have for this statement?
      Without seeing his tax returns I don’t see how you could know. Trump of course was the first Presidential candidate for a major party in about 50 years who refused to release his returns.
      
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      January 9, 2021 10:00am
      - Don Beckett
        
        There is no obligation on a sitting president to release tax returns – it’s just become a bit of showmanship to demonstrate transparency.
        I wonder how China Joe will get on releasing his tax returns?
        Oh that’s right, the swamp will cover for him.
        
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        January 9, 2021 10:30am
      - Mike
        
        Biden released his tax returns. It’s been a routine move by presidential candidates for many years. Until Trump. Not that he has anything to hide…
        
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        January 9, 2021 11:37am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    An Impeachment conviction is highly unlikely.
    It requires two thirds of the Senate to agree. I don’t think enough Republicans will vote to convict. It would require 16 to do so. Maybe 4 or 5 will do so, but no more. Most Republicans would say it is all too late, a new President has been installed. They won’t want an internal war within the Republican Party, at least not as a result of an impeachment driven by the Democrats.
    
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    January 9, 2021 9:56am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      No doubt the GOP troughers don’t want “an internal war within the Republican Party” but, unfortunately for them, and fortunately for the rank and file GOP voters, their self-serving, flagrant repudiation and desertion of Trump has just ensured they will get one – and they will lose it.
      
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      January 9, 2021 10:13am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        They deserted the deserter who avoided conscription. Probably ranks beside him turning on his supporters.
        
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        January 9, 2021 11:19am
      - alwyn
        
        “who avoided conscription”.
        Which one did you have in mind?
        Bill Clinton, George W Bush or Donald Trump?
        The last one who actually served in wartime was George H W Bush.
        
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        January 9, 2021 2:33pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      @Wayne Mapp @ 9:56AM
      
      Yesterday, at “Finally, it’s all over for Trump”, I really messed up my calculations as to the number of Republican senators would have to vote for any articles of impeachment next week, in order to convict President Trump of one or more “high Crimes [or] Misdemeanors.”
      
      At the moment, there are 99 senators; 48 Democrats (including two independents), and 51 Republicans (including Kelly Loeffler).
      
      Therefore, assuming all of them would be present when the articles of impeachment are voted on (separately), the necessary two-thirds to convict would be 66.
      
      That means, in addition to all 48 Democrats, at least 18 Republicans would have to vote to convict.
      
      If, however, Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock are sworn in before the votes take place, and all 100 senators are present, then the two-thirds majority becomes 67.
      
      Therefore, in addition to the 50 Democrats, at least 17 Republicans would have to vote to convict.
      
      But, the deadline for Georgia to certify the results of the two run-off elections is January 22. Therefore, in the event it all happens next week, my first scenario, above, would apply, being that 18 Republicans would need to vote with the 48 Democrats, for Trump to be convicted. As I said yesterday, I doubt that many would do so.
      
      Thank you, Wayne, for giving me an opportunity to correct myself.
      
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      January 9, 2021 11:06am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Standards of grammar and clarity of expression seem to have dropped significantly since the arrival of so many Standardistas onto this blog. Primary school errors such as ‘bought’ instead of ‘brought’ and ‘may of planned’ instead of ‘may have planned’?
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:48am
    - kloyd0306
      
      Pathetic education system run by lefties.
      Not helped by such attendees being left-leaning brains of mush, ready to accept any bullshit fed to them by left-leaning teachers with a socialist agenda.
      Dumb students down – easier to manipulate and pull the wool over their eyes.
      
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      January 9, 2021 12:47pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Nukuleka: RJ is by far the worst culprit, e.g., ‘must of’; ‘could of’, etc.
      
      I very much doubt he came over from The Standard.
      
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      January 9, 2021 2:57pm
    - lifesgood
      
      I so agree. Why are there so many poorly educated
      commenters arriving here? I always thought of this as a site for the articulate but clearly I was wrong. They’d be making better use of their time educating themselves if schools have failed to do so. It grates.
      
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      January 9, 2021 3:47pm
      - Bingo99
        
        So you’re the grammar police now. But when an unhinged, insane rant from, oh I dunno, KIA comes along, you lap up every last drop of it.
        
        I’d rather a sane poor speller with a cogent argument than an insane loony tune under the spell of a petulent thug of a fraud, with impeccable spelling 🙂
        
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        January 9, 2021 8:26pm
- Fletch
  
  Pardoning himself for what?
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:37am
  - SB2
    
    Egregious acts!
    
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    January 9, 2021 9:56am
    - sooty
      
      Presidential pardons don’t work in NZ, so you will not be let off!
      
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      January 9, 2021 10:15am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Heh, I don’t believe President Trump has ever visited St Lukes Mall, Ralph.
      
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      January 9, 2021 10:29am
    - Don Beckett
      
      SB2. Please specify these ‘egregious acts’.
      
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      January 9, 2021 10:32am
- Sacha
  
  https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/donald-trumps-pardon-list-may-include-family-celebrities-himself-report-2349404
  MAY include? May?
  When I see a header like this I ignore it. Conditional headlines allow the writer to say that they didn’t really mean it, it was just an idea, that they weren’t being untruthful – but how many readers see the con?
  
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  January 9, 2021 10:32am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Too many self-described “informed” commentators evidently have no clue as to the subtle word-game that is continually in play and which leads to their forming judgments on various matters. A canonical example is the word ‘racism’ – used in one sense and with a particular set of connotations by the author, yet understood in a different sense and with another particular set of connotations by the unaware reader. Both then reach a nominal agreement on ‘racism,’ yet they are each talking about different concepts.
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:20pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Sacha, did you overlook this at the foot of the article?
    
    (Except for the headline, this story has not been edited by NDTV staff and is published from a syndicated feed.)
    
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    January 9, 2021 2:01pm
iMP

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/123876235/real-estate-row-leads-to-splash-of-paint-new-religion-for-church-owner

HILARIOUS this story about a capitalist grabber trying to street-paint a church in to a rentable property in N Chch. Bit of a joke and the guy seems like an ass trying to manipulate rules with contempt.

He probably spent more on the graffitti styling (which will last less than 5 years) than the $50k consents levies.
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January 9, 2021 8:02am
- JibberJabber
  
  He’s paid his money and he’s taken his chances.
  If you are gonna buy a listed property you need to be prepared to be told what to do with it ( by a raft of busybodies with no skin in the game) or be handy with a box of matches.
  
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  January 9, 2021 8:56am
  - Liberty
    
    You make good points. but Old buildings still need to be looked after.
    A building is better rented than a soon to be derelict.
    The council are being unhelpful in the $50,000 fee
    Just another example of why the RMA should be abolished.
    
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    January 9, 2021 9:35am
    - yossarian
      
      “Old buildings still need to be looked after”…why?
      
      They’re all going to eventually be turned into dust anyway, why prolong the matter
      
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      January 9, 2021 10:22am
      - alwyn
        
        “turned into dust”.
        Indeed. “Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
        If the termite doesn’t get you then the longhorn borer must”
        
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        January 9, 2021 2:37pm
      - Liberty
        
        If a property owner wants to preserve a building and pay for the upkeep that is his right.
        What is wrong is when some historic building is munted and the owner is forced to restore
        by some do-goody pinko in the public good..
        Then there is the 1970s crappy library in Helengrade that is stuffed. The Council is forcing the rate payers to pay for restoration. Because the building is iconic.
        And to provide the great unwashed (who don’t may rates) free wifi.
        
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        January 9, 2021 4:34pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “Gill admitted he did not do any due diligence or consult a lawyer before buying the property, and did not even visit it beforehand.
    
    “It’s not for the customer to do due diligence, it’s the real estate agent who mucked it up. They should pay to turn it residential.””
    
    Here’s the news, buddy, it’s precisely the customer’s job to do due diligence, and you’ll also find that the real estate agent will have several watertight disclaimers, all of which will be on the ADLS 6th Edition Sale & Purchase Agreement that you signed voluntarily and not under duress.
    
    The guy’s an idiot and a chancer – never a winning combination.
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:56am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I see he has set up his own religion, which means his church attracts no rates. His contempt for other ratepayers is out of order.
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:03am
  - peterwn
    
    Well, Greenpeace persuaded the Courts that it is a charity, so this self styled Rev should have no trouble convincing Charities Service to register his ‘religion’ as a ‘charity’. After all Rev Brian Tamaki seemed to have no trouble registering his Destiny Church as a bunch of charities.
    
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    January 9, 2021 9:23am
    - alwyn
      
      The Helen Clark Foundation is also registered as a charity.
      Charitable as I am about the woman now she is an old age pensioner I am totally unable to see anything that be classed as a “charity” in the organisation.
      
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      January 9, 2021 3:32pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Why would you be charitable about this meddlesome old witch? Some people just aren’t worthy of charity.
        
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        January 9, 2021 3:50pm
      - peterwn
        
        Education is one of the lawful charitable objectives – educating NZ on Helen’s views of the world. Arguably her charity meets the other three objectives as well – see:
        https://www.charities.govt.nz/ready-to-register/need-to-know-to-register/charitable-purpose/
        
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        January 9, 2021 5:39pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Manipulating the rules with contempt is exactly what they deserve. Go that man.
  
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  January 9, 2021 10:36am
lilman

Hello, Im so proud of the media.

They have standards and morals of which we all must aspire too.

Funny thing about aspirations ,they are never held to account.
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January 9, 2021 8:09am
- Inandout
  
  lilman, Stuff is now begging in Maori so should gather a lot of iwi money.
  
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  January 9, 2021 10:05am
  - sooty
    
    Can you see the elite, making room in the trough!
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:18am
  - lilman
    
    Good luck with Maori and Iwi money,you dont fund corporate boxes buy giving money out.
    
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    January 9, 2021 11:44am
  - peterwn
    
    Perhaps the Blundell Brothers let Iwi have free copies of the Evening Post but DomPost can no longer continue the tradition..
    
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    January 9, 2021 12:48pm
MarkF

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Ah, all of those with TIS (Trump Infatuation Syndrome) will now be happy as the Almighty Kraken can present her case against Dominion in court for all to see. Hope she is not wrong as it will cost her $1.3B USD.
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January 9, 2021 8:20am
The Housekeeper

Gill admitted he did not do any due diligence or consult a lawyer before buying the property, and did not even visit it beforehand.

“It’s not for the customer to do due diligence, it’s the real estate agent who mucked it up. They should pay to turn it residential.”

Caveat emptor, Peter Gill.
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January 9, 2021 8:30am
mikenmildagain

I see that there were some very sinister aspects to the protest at the Capitol. Masked Antifa infiltrators brought plastic handcuffs and erected a gallows, planning to hang Pence, Pelosi, and Schumer and then blame it on Trump.
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January 9, 2021 8:31am
- Positan
  
  I usually overlook your submissions, mike – however in respect of this one, how do you account for the now established fact that the leader of BLM was in the Capitol and able to video the shooting of the protestor?
  
  Surely he hadn’t entered the building as a Trump supporter?
  
  So, were those who entered the Capitol and did the damage REALLY Trump supporting protestors – or were they Democrat supporting agitators who’d infiltrated the protest for the purpose of maligning Trump?
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:25am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Well, many of the insurrectionists have been positively identified, and I’m sure the FBI will be rounding a few up before the can execute a new plan for inauguration day.
    
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    January 9, 2021 9:41am
    - oldfella
      
      Mike, a lot of the protesters have also been named and shamed on social media. And many have now lost their jobs for taking part.
      Remind me, how many of the BLM/Antifa protesters/rioters who earlier in 2020 burned down federal buildings, destroyed shops and businesses, and attacked police, were also ridiculed in public and lost their jobs… assuming they had jobs to begin with?
      The same ones who were usually bailed by rich woke liberals when they appeared in court, and never did face punishment or jail time.
      
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      January 9, 2021 10:34am
      - ISeeRed
        
        Isn’t it sickening, oldfella, when people who think highly of themselves as informed, rational, moral individuals on the right side of history, continuously support the interests of the old status quo, the rich and powerful, the sociopathic globalist elites that just see us as worker drones and playthings.
        
        So sure, jail Trump. Ruin him. Smear his name. Bankrupt his family. Destroy his legacy. Don’t forget his supporters. Hunt them down. Get them fired. Dox their addresses. Target their kids. Just racist retarded seditionist scum. The lot of them. Make them suffer. Do the elite’s bidding.
        
        Fools and tools.
        
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        January 9, 2021 11:51am
  - oldfella
    
    Positan, as someone tweeted today:
    
    “Remember how after Bush was elected, the Left screamed that dissent was patriotic? And then when Obama was elected, dissent was suddenly racist? And when Trump won, resistance was not just patriotic, but compulsory? Well, dissent is racist again and resistance is now treason.”
    
    But it’s different when the left do it…
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:27am
- BeeJay
  
  Love it, Milky! Was it Goebels who said “tell the people something often enough, and they will believe it”. Trump was an expert at it!
  
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  January 9, 2021 10:56am
  - plc
    
    The spin merchants assisting the NZ PM are experts at hit.
    
    “Hard and early”
    
    The Sheeple love slogans
    
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    January 9, 2021 12:36pm
- Jimmy White
  
  Its surprising how the Media and the public have forgotten what happened in 2011 when unions and left-wing protesters disrupted the legislature to prevent it from passing public sector union reforms.
  They crowded the Chamber and closed down the congress. There was no violence as the powers to be opened the doors and let them in. There was however vandalism as they camped out in the Halls, offices and Chamber.
  https://youtu.be/WTLg729voaU
  Its all right when the left do it.
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:37am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Also: In 2018 Anti Kavanaugh left-wing protesters stormed the Capitol and banged on the doors of the Supreme Court. At the Capital Building the “Women’s March” proudly rejoiced after they forced it to shut down.
    https://youtu.be/SkHNMrxhyyY
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:59pm
MCos

The Times of India doesn’t piss around
https://twitter.com/krupali/status/1347604674346536960?s=21
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January 9, 2021 8:43am
- yossarian
  
  Interesting, since India has been reportedly by many as the most racist country in the world for many years.
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:33am
- oldfella
  
  Clever headline, referring to the Ku Klux Klan, well known bunch of hooded Democrat racists who fought to re-enslave the negroes after Republican president Abraham Lincoln set them free.
  Yep, a great bunch of guys, exactly like those MAGA supporters. //
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
  
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  January 9, 2021 10:42am
  - MCos
    
    George Wallace, an ultra segregationist, was a Democrat at the same time as the Kennedys were adamant it was wrong.
    
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    January 9, 2021 7:19pm
[email protected]

How do you sneakily increase the tax take without raising taxes?

Simple… Increase minimum wages by $2,288 a year, add another 5 days of sick leave and another paid holliday.

The extra tax on $2,288 at 17.5% is a nice bonus. Since businesses will have to hire extra employees to cover the extra days off the tax take also increases.

I won’t even go into the fact that employees currently just above the new minimum wage will likely also want a wage increase with the results of another increase in the tax take.

$$$Katjing$$$
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January 9, 2021 8:51am
- thirteenstars
  
  And which is why it’s so nice to raise excise taxes since the GST take on all those goods increases, too.
  
  Government is not your friend, despite what JacindaBiden tells you.
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:39am
- simonway
  
  Increasing tax revenue by increasing wages and employment?
  
  That’s a dastardly plan, to be sure.
  
  Anyone who wants to really stick it to Jacinda should quit their job so they don’t have to pay income tax any more. That’ll really show her what’s what.
  
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  January 9, 2021 2:07pm
  - artemisia
    
    Actually that does seem to be happening, mainly by workers reducing hours if they can. Time is the new money.
    
    And of course there is no capital gains tax (mostly) so just sell a few of those Xero shares to boost the disposable income.
    
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    January 9, 2021 5:09pm
flash2846

[Deleted – another post on this topic may be accepted provided you demonstrate better the intent of the comment. Mod.]
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January 9, 2021 8:56am
- flash2846
  
  Out of order that. A sense of humour is part of my/New Zealand’s culture. I have noticed this once great blog shrinking since some of you moderators came on board.
  Sadly, I am now out.
  All the best to David Farrar the few good folk left on Kiwiblog.
  
  [Mod. Note: For the record, the poster appeared to be making unsavoury references to the Mormon religion. By this reply, it appears I was correct.]
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:22am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    People who don’#t appreciate the moderators should maybe stop commenting in a way that breaches the blog rules.
    
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    January 9, 2021 9:50am
    - Swifty
      
      I believe it is the consistency with which the rules are applied which is the gripe of some.
      
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      January 9, 2021 10:16am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Ah, spoken like a true “hate speech” law supporter.
      
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      January 9, 2021 10:21am
    - Biscuit
      
      Agreed, mike.
      
      [Is agreeing with you ALLOWED?]
      
      I have occasionally been modded in here but, like a big boy, I have wiped away my tears, stuck a few pins in my Mod dolls (oops, Mod action-figures) and moved on.
      
      It’s a blog, for crying out loud. People are gonna disagree … and sometimes in terms that others (including my pinned Mod pals!) might object to.
      
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      January 9, 2021 10:22am
  - thirteenstars
    
    There’s nothing in that reply disparaging Mormons.
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:02am
  - MFD
    
    “A sense of humour is part of my/New Zealand’s culture”
    
    You have got to be joking.
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:52am
    - thirteenstars
      
      But they’re not joking. The coming hate speech laws will render our increasingly-humourless society a wasteland.
      
      And blogs like this will do the state’s work for it, censoring any little thing for fear of being spoken to by the Appropriate Speech Agency, or whatever the new Ministry of Truth will be called.
      
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      January 9, 2021 11:23am
      - marcw
        
        Get in early thirteenstars, set up your own blog (it’s not hard), generate traffic so everyone can participate in the free speech, say anything they want, and set up your potential martyrdom to make a stand. Don’t let the hate speech laws get in your way.
        
        Seriously, don’t worry about your family or occupation, just go for it man.
        
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        January 9, 2021 11:39am
      - thirteenstars
        
        “Don’t let the hate speech laws get in your way.”
        
        What an idiotic response.
        
        Your attitude is typical of many Kiwis: tall poppy syndrome. Don’t stick your head up least it gets chopped off. Hide. Run. Obey. Don’t fight.
        
        The idea is to defeat it before it becomes law.
        
        And by the way, there are plenty of people who *will* put their heads up because they understand how dangerous this law will be.
        
        But further: if blogs like this don’t have the size and influence to stage a revolt against the law if it is passed, then who does? Get the point? David Farrar says he’s a member of the Free Speech Coalition, an organisation that will be fighting this law. You might find there are more people with backbone than you suppose.
        
        But you need not join in. Just obey like a good serf.
        
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        January 9, 2021 12:40pm
      - marcw
        
        And by the way, there are plenty of people who *will* put their heads up because they understand how dangerous this law will be.
        
        But not you apparently, just other people like DPF. So, how are you going to join in, apart from your belly-aching here? And don’t assume anything about what I am doing, because obviously from your reply you have no idea.
        
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        January 9, 2021 12:52pm
  - Bea Rossini
    
    Bet you’re still watching though.
    
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    January 9, 2021 3:29pm
cmm

Any of the systems using GPS for their tracking are pathetically easy to subvert at so many levels.

Most of the time it is easy enough to hack the hardware or software to modify the positions. Worst case – just spoof the satellites. This is easily done with around $100 of equipment and some free software.

Fishing brings in big bucks, so clearly there’s lots of motivation to do this.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/122339295/chinese-vessels-off-galapagos-cloaking-in-new-zealand
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January 9, 2021 8:59am
- Jimmy White
  
  Its does not work if you make a hat out of tinfoil and place it on your head, put tinfoil in your shoes and rap your testicles in gladrap.
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:40am
- Master Mariner
  
  Spoofing is the technical term.
  
  “Fishing brings in big bucks, so clearly there’s lots of motivation to do this.”
  
  That article refers to AIS which is “Line of sight” VHF transmission.
  AIS ( Automated Identification system) is only as good as the information its feed into. In this case Position , course and speed.
  That article is absolute nonsense and gave up after 2 paragraphs.
  FWIW Fishing vessels and Navy vessels are not required to use AIS. Even though some do for collision avoidance.
  AIS is not Position fixing, Basically a simple Aid for collision avoidance.
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:57am
Jack5

Are Americans still fighting the Civil War?

In a New York Times opinion piece, historian Karen L. Cox parallels the likely result of the Trump presidency and electoral defeat to the “Lost Cause” phenomenon after the Union defeated the Confederacy.

She writes:

” … if there was ever a campaign of disinformation, the Lost Cause was it. The Confederacy, the lie went, failed only because of the North’s superior numbers and resources.

And

“As Edward Pollard, the Richmond editor who coined the term “Lost Cause” wrote in 1866, “The Confederates have gone out of this war,” he wrote, “with the proud, secret, dangerous consciousness that they are the BETTER MEN, and that there was nothing wanting but a change in a set of circumstances and a firmer resolve to make them victors.”

Cox says this this constituted a parallel to the movement Trump has created. Under a change in circumstances — overturning the results of the election — the better man would have won.

Like the followers of the Confederacy’s war leader, General Lee, Trump’s dedicated followers do not see him as having failed them, but as a man who was failed by others, the historian says.

(Some war student might tell us if it wasn’t superior numbers and industrial strength, what was the North’s decisive strength? Was the strength imbalance tipped further by the accidental shooting of the Confederates’ inspiring fighting general, Stonewall Jackson? )
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January 9, 2021 8:59am
- Fletch
  
  I have to politely declare, what a load of old bollocks…
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:41am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The North enjoyed considerable material and population advantages. The South had a large military officer class, though, which kept things even for a while. As for ‘better men’, I am sure that was a sentiment felt by many on both sides, even though one side was literally fighting to preserve their right to enslave fellow humans.
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:45am
  - IC5000
    
    > even though one side was literally fighting to preserve their right to enslave fellow humans.
    
    Did white southerners even see blacks as human beings in the first place?
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:28am
    - SGA
      
      I assume they promoted Christianity among the slave population, and it would be strange to do that if you didn’t see them as human.
      
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      January 9, 2021 11:33am
      - Mike
        
        There were mixed views in the south about allowing slaves access to Christianity. Some felt it would encourage submission, other thought it would encourage dangerous notions of equality and brotherly love.
        
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        January 9, 2021 3:08pm
    - Jack5
      
      The central issue of the Civil War may have been abolition of slavery, but the views of Northerners and Southerner on Black folk seem to have been less distinct than many of us foreigners realise.
      
      The family of Lincoln’s wife, the Todds, were wealthy slave owners in Kentucky. One of her brothers-in-law, Benjamin Hardin Helm, was a general in the Confederate Army. Of her brothers who served in the Confederate Army, two were killed.
      
      Ulysses S. Grant, the Union’s great commander, was given a slave by his in-laws, but freed the man two years later. His wife’s family owned many slaves.
      
      According to an article in Wikipedia, the southern commander, Robert E. Lee, as the war loomed, turned down the post of Union Army major-general in charge of the defence of Washington.
      
      As in wars everywhere, the mass of soldiers didn’t choose sides: they were recruited or conscripted locally, and the region, or country, they fought for wasn’t a matter of practical choice. In regions where opinions on slavery were divided, the family’s politics would be the biggest influence.
      
      The Black Lives Matter mobsters aren’t going to stop when they’ve purged traces of the Confederacy. The slave-owning founders of the United States will be the next target.
      
      This linked-to article indicates 10 of the first 12 Presidents of the United States were slave owners. Statues, city, region, state names (e.g. Washington) will be up for erasure by fanaticism:
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States_who_owned_slaves
      
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      January 9, 2021 12:19pm
      - RichardX
        
        I agree that the history of slavery in the US is fraught with issues that should not be ignored or over-stated.
        
        As an example of the place slavery held in the US when it was founded;
        
        Article 1, Section 2 of the United States Constitution originally appeared in 1787 as:
        
        Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other persons.
        
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        January 9, 2021 1:03pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Correct MMA – the Democrat side.
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:36am
    - Mike
      
      Cool. That was the 1860s. Now do the 1960s GOP, the Civil Rights Act and the southern strategy.
      
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      January 9, 2021 3:11pm
- SB2
  
  The Union simply won more decisive battles which is why Lincloln kept Generals like Sherman on despite allegations of a drinking problem!
  
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  January 9, 2021 10:04am
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    That was Grant, not Sherman.
    
    It’s very difficult to see how the North could have won enough decisive battles without its huge advantage in resources and numbers.
    
    It’s worth noting also that there was significant resistance to the war in the South, partly on principle, partly because it was seen as a rich man’s war but a poor man’s fight.
    
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    January 9, 2021 11:17am
    - Jack5
      
      “It’s very difficult to see how the North could have won enough decisive battles without its huge advantage in resources and numbers …
      
      The blockade of the coast cutting off guns and other war supplies reaching the Confederates was important, too.
      
      The blockade also stopped the Confederate states from exporting cotton and financing the war. The Confederates had earlier o hit the cotton trade themselves early in the revolt. They attempted an export embargo to force Britain and France to support them).
      
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      January 9, 2021 12:28pm
- Andrei
  
  The Confederates were Democrats of course – the Democrat Party was the party of Jim Crow – they even had an ex KKK leader in the Senate until 2010, good ol’ Robert Byrd who died in harness after 51 years in politics.
  
  I wish the Democrats had put up Tulsi Gabbard to run against Donald Trump – she could have won because she is sane and not a Washington grifter like the current incumbants Democrat and Republican.
  
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  January 9, 2021 10:32am
Greg Ettridge

It must be getting time to lock down again, 3 months since last Kung flu death,62 positives in hotels, 1 unaccounted for, I feel a lock down now and lock down hard coming, it is the new normal, panic and fear is the new normal.
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January 9, 2021 8:59am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Well, you’re a little ray of sunshine, aren’t you.
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:05am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Jacinda is the “ray of sunshine”, she makes up these crazy rules not me, mark my words it will come and won’t be far away.
    When is she back at work?
    
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    January 9, 2021 7:30pm
    - MFD
      
      “mark my words”
      
      3/10
      
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      January 10, 2021 11:31am
- cmm
  
  People under 65 and in reasonable health have a much higher chance of dying from motor vehicle accident than from CV19.
  
  As stephie has assured us many times, we have a data and scientifically driven government. That means they will focus on the important stuff.
  
  This undoubtedly means we will all be warned how dangerous it is to travel in cars. Every car will have a QR code.
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:29am
  - SB2
    
    cmm, your ” sniffles” in action again,
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/434248/uk-sees-record-daily-covid-deaths-london-hospitals-on-brink
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:08am
  - MFD
    
    “People under 65 and in reasonable health have a much higher chance of dying from motor vehicle accident than from CV19.”
    
    From a statistical standpoint this is nonsense. Neither hazard is random nor are post-event mitigations.
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:37am
- Jimmy White
  
  Are we will able to fly back and forth to Brisbane?
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:47am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Kiwis seems absolutely immune flying to anywhere in Australia, flying back is a much different story.
    Have a son that drives to Sydney from Brisbane, he had a work mate trying to see a dying mate in New Zealand, but it all just got to hard and to expensive on the NZ side.
    He laughed yesterday, he said he now has a hot spot at each end to drive between.
    He has been going into Hot Spot in Northern beaches in Sydney and has permit and left alone.
    Truckies are pretty much left alone except sometimes caught time wise waiting in lines at border. The Premiers have had the message loud and clear, if they mess with the truckies, there will be no food in the supermarkets.
    
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    January 9, 2021 7:38pm
James Stephenson

So Trump isn’t going to Biden’s inauguration, what a lovely gesture to make sure that Joe isn’t embarrassed when he fails to recognise him.
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January 9, 2021 9:23am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s not like anyone expected the toddler-in-chief to turn up in public to acknowledge he is a bigly loser.
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:46am
  - Biscuit
    
    I’d be SO tempted to get one of those cuddly toys that sports arenas are filling their seats with in these Covid-19 times – and plonk it where the outgoing Prez would normally sit during his successor’s inaugurals…
    
    But which cuddly toy to choose, eh?
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:32am
    - BeeJay
      
      Monkey ??
      
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      January 9, 2021 11:52am
      - GazzaW
        
        A muppet for sure.
        
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        January 9, 2021 12:59pm
      - Nukuleka
        
        Imagine the response had this been written in reference to Obama. Mods, would you have allowed this to pass?
        
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        January 9, 2021 1:38pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        A nice pussy to grab?
        
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        January 9, 2021 3:54pm
- Fletch
  
  Over 50 Democrats got the pip and didn’t go to Trump’s inauguration.
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:49am
  - Jimmy White
    
    But its different when Mikey does it
    
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    January 9, 2021 11:43am
  - RichardX
    
    How many of them were the President?
    
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    January 9, 2021 12:06pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Actually, I think Trump’s decision is right on 2 counts.
  Firstly, he believes that the election was fraudulent (which I agree with) and therefore it would be inconsistent and hypocritical for him to attend.
  Secondly, it could lead to an unnecessary opportunity for rednecks on both sides to cause problems causing disruption to China Joe’s inauguration. A win – win, really.
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:53am
  - SB2
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    The election wasn’t fraudulent but we await Sidney Powell’s last gasp attempts!
    
    Just who paying her defence and litigation fees makes one wonder?
    
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/dominion-sues-trump-lawyer-sidney-powell-defamation-seeks-1-3-n1253464
    
    Ideas?
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:12am
    - Don Beckett
      
      The election was fraudulent. Perhaps this will be exposed in time to come, especially with the 3 cases coming up before SCOTUS in the weeks ahead – after China Joe’s inauguration, of course.
      
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      January 9, 2021 10:39am
    - Mrs_Right
      
      “The election wasn’t fraudulent …” lol
      
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      January 9, 2021 10:56am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      All election have fraud, I guess the question is how much is an acceptable level.
      
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      January 9, 2021 7:41pm
- BeeJay
  
  Had to laugh when I read that instead of attending the Biden inauguration Trump planned to go to Scotland to play golf! Until Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announced that Trump would be denied entry to travel to Scotland to play golf at the time of inauguration! Wonderful decision from the Land of my (grand)father! They know how to stick it up him!
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:19am
  - Mrs_Right
    
    I’m sure Trump couldn’t care less about Nicola Sturgeon.
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:58pm
    - RichardX
      
      However he will care that he is denied access to his golf course.
      
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      January 9, 2021 2:37pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Nicola Sturgeon is a moron of the first degree. The scots are getting what they deserve with her.
    
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    January 9, 2021 3:58pm
- simonway
  
  I seem to recall at least one regular around these parts insisting that there will not be any Biden inauguration. Has anyone seen the commenter NewInoffensiveName lately?
  
  I would like to hear the explanation, from a hardcore dead-ender like NewInoffensiveName, as to how it is that Trump will be inaugurated if he doesn’t attend the inauguration!
  
  (For the record, no matter who wins the election, there would be an inauguration on the 20th — either an inauguration of the re-elected Trump’s second term, or an inauguration of Biden’s first term. That is, a president who wins re-election doesn’t get to skip the inauguration process. Just to get one potential excuse out of the way.)
  
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  January 9, 2021 2:13pm
cmm

The Law of Unintended Consequences is strong. People wanting to do good, but not appreciating the full picture, can make things a whole lot worse.

The guy that invented the machine gun did so because he thought it would reduce deaths.

He reasoned that by a machine gun would allow one soldier to do the work of a hundred and therefore this would reduce the number of soldiers on the battlefield being exposed to the battle (and the diseases rampant in military camps). This would surely save many lives.

It never occurred to him that the armies would deploy just as many soldiers – now with better instruments of killing.

Gatling was no fool. He invented many innovations and devices and was issued a bunch of patents.

It occurs to me that we see this type of thinking all over the place – especially in government policy making. Nowhere is this more obvious than in the policies which are intended to help Maori but instead hurt them.
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January 9, 2021 9:25am
- Master Mariner
  
  A bit like Einstein and reacting to the letter about German advances in physics hereby starting the Manhatten Project and hence the atom bomb.
  
  Biggest regret of his life.
  
  Unintended consequences.
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:24am
cmm

Why is it that the Jaffas are not baying for blood over the state of the beaches?

I lived in Jaffaland for 3 years in the 1990s and the one thing I remember was how they loved their beaches and the harbour areas.

Now we hear that the whole area is unfit for swimming. What the hell is going on that Goff, and his like, can still be running the shop and focusing on vanity projects instead of fixing the basic stuff?
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January 9, 2021 9:34am
- Ruahine
  
  cmm.
  It is not Goff’s fault that the Auckland harbours are so polluted. It is the fault of all those the dairy farmers in the Waikato where we get 26% of our water supply from.
  Must be.
  It surely cannot have anything to do with all the dog droppings on the streets going into the stormwater drains and running out into the sea.
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:45am
  - sooty
    
    I didn’t think that Waikato rivers run into AK.
    Wouldn’t have anything to do with leaky drains and shit leaking out, by chance?
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:28am
    - Ruahine
      
      Water from the Waikato River is pumped from Tuakau into the Auckland water supply distribution network under the control of Watercare.
      
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      January 9, 2021 11:48am
    - Jimmy White
      
      Just the stormwater alone is polluted from the runoff from the roads. Tire, Exhausts, oil, spit, cig buts and other crap dropped on the roads.
      Runoffs from roofs. Lead, Asbestos, bird crap, paint and other crap from roofs and other down-pipe collections.
      
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      January 9, 2021 11:51am
  - lifesgood
    
    Good point. What is it with all the thousands of bloody dogs everywhere. Go for a walk along Auckland’s waterfront and count them. It’s getting out of hand. I don’t understand the need for them.
    
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    January 9, 2021 4:01pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Yep – no emotional outcry from the Green Party, or Greenpeace or the Environmental Defence Society, or the experts on twitter.
  Human poo desecrating waterways – no problem.
  Farm animals – the world is in danger of exploding.
  Will look out for another learned article from Mr Guy Salmon this time focussing on urban generated water and land pollution.
  Will be waiting a while…..
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:56am
- bruceavon
  
  Don’t believe the over hyped news reports. Tons of beaches that are fine. There are so many in Auckland it’s not hard to find one that’s ok or packed anyway. I think the measurement system might be somewhat hysterical. I lived in Sydney when they had issues and the beaches were disgusting. You could see the filth. Not so much here. Water looks fine too me.
  
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  January 9, 2021 10:39am
  - marcw
    
    Wow! “Water looks fine too [sic] me.” A man who can see bacteria and viruses in water with his bare eyes. Give him a job in the MOH, think of the savings on lab testing alone.
    
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    January 9, 2021 11:05am
    - bruceavon
      
      Pointlessly nasty mate. Get a life. They changed the testing criteria a few years ago. I think it’s too far. When I lived in Sydney widespread stories of people getting sick. Zero reports of that happening in Auckland.
      
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      January 9, 2021 1:06pm
- BananaLlama
  
  It was Meat and Dairy farmers that polluted the beaches you see (Heavy Sarcasm).
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:00am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING TWITTER…

Gay Green Mexican list MP Ricardo Menendes March (April to his friends 😛 ), has called for all ‘Pokie Machines’ to remove the possibility of getting three letter K’s in a row.

He was reported as saying “Getting a monetary return for KKK promotes White Supremacy in Aotearoa”

https://twitter.com/pulpyfictorious/status/1347420901818724352
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January 9, 2021 9:43am
- Jimmy White
  
  Should the K be replaced with a raise fist or pokies banned altogether?
  
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  January 9, 2021 10:06am
  - oldfella
    
    Jimmy, when a gay, green MP makes a fist and raises it, should we be worried?
    
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    January 9, 2021 10:51am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I recall the Auckland Council spent thousands of Ratepayer dollars on ‘KIWIFIST’ a couple of years ago.
      Of course we should be worried.
      
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      January 9, 2021 11:25am
  - Martin Williams
    
    Pokies should be banned altogether.
    
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    January 9, 2021 11:33am
    - oldfella
      
      Martin, are you suggesting we ban pokies with fists? Wow, say that in public and you’ll get cancelled. 😉
      
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      January 9, 2021 12:02pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, we appear to have an unhinged politician in the Nancy Pelosi mold.
  A good time though for a gay to escape Mehico.
  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-lgbt-murders-trfn-idUSKBN22R37Y
  
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  January 9, 2021 10:09am
- Mrs_Right
  
  That little Marxist needs to go back to the s**** hole he came from, anyone that has seen some of his Twitter posts will agree.
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:09am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    I’m actually surprised Ricky Ricardo was sufficiently inclined to pull himself out of the relevant shit hole.
    
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    January 9, 2021 11:59am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Free stuff beckoned the little parasitic remora.
      
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      January 9, 2021 1:44pm
    - lifesgood
      
      On what criteria was he permitted entry to NZ. That would be interesting to know.
      
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      January 9, 2021 4:03pm
- ISeeRed
  
  How is his being gay relevant? Keep that casual homophobia in check.
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:57am
Maggie Pie

Hope I’m not reading too much into this, but MSM are reporting that neither First Lady Melania Trump, nor Chinese Billionaire Jack Ma, have been seen this year.

Just saying.
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January 9, 2021 10:12am
- Biscuit
  
  Heh heh, Maggie.
  
  I saw a story that Melania was actually hosting a photo shoot at the White House for an upcoming book of hers on the furniture there WHILST her hubby was outside inciting the violence that happened at the Capitol.
  
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  January 9, 2021 10:27am
- Jimmy White
  
  Where was Michelle Obama when congress was invaded in 2011?
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:55am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, if Melania and Jack Ma were an item, how would the media describe them?
  Melma? Jackania? Mania?
  
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  January 9, 2021 12:06pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Melibaba?
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:06pm
  - FrankC
    
    Melanoma
    
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    January 9, 2021 11:04pm
Fletch

Still no official count of how many were at the Trump rally yesterday, but accounts are the crowd stretched from the White House to way past the Washington Monument, similar to Vietnam rallies of the past. Anywhere from half a million to a million.
If those folks had really wanted to take the Capitol, they could have.
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January 9, 2021 10:20am
- SB2
  
  My link here suggests at best it was no more than 100,000,
  
  https://theconversation.com/it-is-difficult-if-not-impossible-to-estimate-the-size-of-the-crowd-that-stormed-capitol-hill-152889
  
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  January 9, 2021 10:34am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  The corrupt elites cannot entertain another situation where the disenfranchised people of the United States have the temerity to occupy their own “house” (i.e. the Capitol building), while the terrified politicians within (who allegedly represent the protestors interests) flee like rodents through internal escape routes. Thus, the book will be thrown at these patriots as a deterent to any other slaves who may wish to dissent or hold ambitions of revolt against their overlords. Future similar “seditious” occurrences would undoubtedly cause severe and (they fear) irreparable damage to the State’s legitimacy to govern, derived as it is from the consent of the governed. A State’s authority is grounded in 1) the ability to wield law enforcement power, and 2) the legitimacy of the State to do so, in the eyes of the governed. Because of the widespread absence of #2, the US State apparatus finds itself in a crisis of legitimacy (regardless of whether this is covered in the media, or not).
  
  The events at the Capitol have clearly demonstrated that America is a now an occupied country, ruled by a caste removed from and who are nothing like those they rule over, who hold them in contempt and who hold divergent interests that are typically injurious to the general populace.
  
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  January 9, 2021 10:46am
  - IC5000
    
    > Thus, the book will be thrown at these patriots as a deterent to any other slaves who may wish to dissent or hold ambitions of revolt against their overlords
    
    Trump has already disavowed and disowned this blood thirsty rabble in his concession speech yesterday. Pimp move by the boss, pumping and dumping his hoes. Uses them to get rich and feeds them to law enforcement when they’re passed their used by date and murder a police officer.
    
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    January 9, 2021 11:49am
- BananaLlama
  
  Old and tested method is to put a red dot on every person in a close up of the picture and estimate from there.
  Lots of hilarity doing this for the Clinton and Biden rally’s that claimed thousands attended when it was in fact a few hundred.
  
  Can’t trust a single word that the media print these days.
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:05am
thirteenstars

Mises.org analysis of the meaning of “coup”:

https://mises.org/wire/capitol-riot-wasnt-coup-it-wasnt-even-close

The comments section is refreshingly, and at times nicely pithy.
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January 9, 2021 10:23am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Of course it wasn’t. The hysterical response of the Lefty media says it all about their political allegiance.
  
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  January 9, 2021 10:41am
- oldfella
  
  thirteenstars, good article. Thanks. I liked this comment:
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  “In a real coup, one would quickly seize control of communications, transport,
  and finance as well as the political/military command centers. That takes a well-trained and well-coordinated military force to pull off.
  Watching the various livestreams from the Capitol, it was obvious to me that the vast majority of people wandering around didn’t have a plan, and weren’t at all interested in trashing the place or hurting anyone. Using the rhetoric of “domestic terrorism” to describe this scene dishonestly conjures up an image of ravenous barbarians plundering and torching the place, instead of the rather more ridiculous image of a couple of Odinist clowns dressing up as fake Vikings to strut their stuff and strike a pose on the Senate Dais.”
  
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  January 9, 2021 10:58am
  - Kevin Herlihy
    
    Yeah, Na, It was just a deranged mob of rednecks, white trash, that forced their way into Capitol buildings, and they weren’t dropping in for a cuppa with Nancy. They still managed to trash and loot the place while they were there, some of them had the time to smoke joints in Nancy office.
    
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    January 9, 2021 11:53am
    - Jimmy White
      
      Kevin read my comment about the occupation of congress in 2011 buy left wing and unionists. Dope smoked, Vandalism galore.
      
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      January 9, 2021 11:59am
- JibberJabber
  
  Hardly a surprise that the uneducated, low IQ and ignorant scum media got their “facts” 180° wrong.
  At least they’re consistent.
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:43am
- Steve Todd
  
  Here’s Paul Buchanan’s take on the various definitions of mass political violence, such as what happened at the Capitol: http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2021/01/taxonomies-of-mass-political-violence/.
  
  He says, “The attack on Congress is best seen as an insurrection/limited mass revolt instigated by a seditious president refusing to step down after losing an election.”
  
  No argument from me.
  
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  January 9, 2021 1:15pm
  - theoldbloke
    
    Paul Buchanan and serious comment about American politics. You jest of course.
    He is just another escapee to NZ with a pumped up idea of who and what he is. Sad to say.
    
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    January 9, 2021 5:22pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      You jest of course.
      
      I most certainly do not.
      
      What did he say in his blog that you disagreed with?
      
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      January 9, 2021 7:44pm
SB2

Thinking of the confederate flag waved in Capitol Hill made me think of this,

“Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.”

― Abraham Lincoln
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January 9, 2021 10:30am
- rangitoto
  
  Thanks for reminding us that the Republicans freed the Democrat’s slaves.
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:01am
  - SB2
    
    And the Republicans made the South Red with their Southern strategy.
    
    How did that come about?
    
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    January 9, 2021 12:36pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  How exactly does a Confederate flag being flown equate to supporting slavery? By that standard, flying a Pakistani flag could be just as validly construed as supporting slavery.
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:11am
  - SB2
    
    How can exactly the Pakistan flag be construed as supporting slavery?
    
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    January 9, 2021 12:38pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Due to the prevalence of chattel slavery in modern-day Pakistan, obviously.
      
      https://www.hrw.org/reports/1995/Pakistan.htm
      
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      January 9, 2021 12:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        Yep, more than 3 million slaves in Pakistan:
        
        https://tribune.com.pk/story/1769802/3-pakistan-home-worlds-third-largest-slave-population
        
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        January 9, 2021 1:46pm
      - SB2
        
        What is known as bonded labour which the Pakistan government has made illegal but still persists in remote areas. India, Bangalesh and Nepal too,
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century#Government_actions
        
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        January 9, 2021 5:21pm
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        SB2, it is happening near you.
        https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/28/asia/slavery-matamata-new-zealand-intl-hnk/index.html
        
        “According to the Global Slavery Index, there were approximately 15,000 people living in illegal “conditions of modern slavery” in Australia in 2016.”
        
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        January 9, 2021 7:54pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      I can honestly say, your complete and utter ignorance of every subject you pontificate on is truly stunning.
      https://www.hrw.org/reports/1995/Pakistan.htm
      
      https://www.dw.com/en/life-of-slavery-the-perpetuation-of-bonded-labor-in-pakistan/a-51792298
      
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      January 9, 2021 1:01pm
    - Joe Kerr
      
      Ye gods you are an ignorant fool to not know about the extent of modern day slavery.
      
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      January 9, 2021 6:30pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The Confederate flag is an obvious support of slavery, as slavery was the reason for the rebellion by the Confederate states.
    
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    January 9, 2021 3:59pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      And all of them Democrats.
      
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      January 9, 2021 7:29pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I replied to your same point above:
        Cool. That was the 1860s. Now do the 1960s GOP, the Civil Rights Act and the southern strategy.
        
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        January 9, 2021 7:46pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        1960’s Democrat George Wallace. Plenty more where that came from.
        
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        January 9, 2021 10:41pm
- Inandout
  
  SB2, pull down that man’s statue, say BLM.
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:57am
Maggie Pie

CNN reporting that when ‘China Joe’ was told President Trump would NOT be attending his Inauguration on Jan 20th, all he said was…. “I couldn’t care less”

Honestly, what a nasty old prick.
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January 9, 2021 11:01am
- Martin Williams
  
  Former President Trump would probably start another riot. Best he scurries away like a rat.
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:30am
- BeeJay
  
  Obviously you’re really going to enjoy the next 8 years, MP! You won’t be able to help yourself with your snide remarks and insults about President Biden! No surprises there?
  But we’ll soon get sick of you waffling on, and you’ll quickly become one of the down-ticked regulars! Will it be “just saying”, or will it be “asking for a friend”?
  Never too sure what you’ll come out with!
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:31am
  - Inandout
    
    BJ, Biden won’t be around much longer and Harris fills his boots. I am sure that woman will attract much comment.
    
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    January 9, 2021 11:59am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! Don’t worry about me BJ – I’ve got tens of thousands of friends and followers across the entire social media spectrum.
    
    You?
    
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    January 9, 2021 12:06pm
    - RichardX
      
      Yes…because social media is what matters.
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      January 9, 2021 12:10pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Well, it is an easy way for morons to boost their self-esteem..
        
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        January 9, 2021 4:01pm
    - BeeJay
      
      Lost count! When you’ve spent your life working around the globe, you gather lots! Have to block some of them, mostly friends in the US, until they see the light which will be, probably, never! The ones in PNG are OK, most nogat savvy! The ones in the Pacific Islands couldn’t care less about the US, the ones in UK and Europe are more worried about staying alive, and the Aussies (including family who escaped) really couldn’t give a shit!
      
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      January 9, 2021 1:27pm
    - FrankC
      
      So you’ve got a massive echo chamber then?
      
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      January 9, 2021 11:10pm
  - Paulus
    
    The media have spent the last four years plus condemning everything that Trump did –
    what are they going to do now as there is no way that they will comment unfavourably on the Biden/Harris moves ?
    Like here the media will take bribes of substantial amounts to stay on the Right/Left of the Government and expect the Government to be influenced in all things that make sense to the media.
    Gunna be very interesting, like here, over the next few changing years,
    Already Cindy is losing her Gloss since the election – we are sick of seeing her here already, unless huge sums of our money are poured into the media here.
    
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    January 9, 2021 2:16pm
- SGA
  
  What should he have said? I think that a lot of people on Capitol Hill, Republican and Democrat alike, feel the same way. It’s a fitting final act, tbh.
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:38am
- MFD
  
  “what a nasty old prick”
  
  Oh, the irony.
  
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  January 9, 2021 11:55am
- waripori
  
  Actually he said.
  ” That is the first thing Trump and I have ever agreed on” which seemed quite a good line.
  
  When asked about Vice President Pence attending he said ” Mike is welcome ”
  
  Not all that nasty in the circumstances.
  
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  January 9, 2021 12:52pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You need to be able to read between the lines, Wari.
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:18pm
    - MFD
      
      …and, having dug a hole, he/she/it keeps digging.
      
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      January 9, 2021 1:46pm
- Biscuit
  
  What was Joe MEANT to do, Maggie?
  
  Storm Mar-a-Lago and beg Donald to attend?
  
  ‘I need your bigly presence…’?
  ‘It won’t be the same without you!’?
  ‘You were the greatest’…
  ‘Pretty please? With cherries on top? And a side of fries?’
  
  I get it that you don’t like Joe.
  Much as, heh, I guess you get that I detest Donald.
  But I’d prefer the new Prez to get immediately on with the job of Prezzing.
  And if that this time around excludes the usual tiresome task of seeing the departing fella off in his helicopter, more’s the better!
  
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  January 9, 2021 1:04pm
Master Mariner

Not really a political analyst and or show too much interest in any Political system.
Regarding Trump, All I can think about is how to mitigate any potential legal challenges after the Presidency from a Democrat Presidency.
What better way than to show how he can mobilise a crowd/Mob via social media.
Thats his best insurance policy and I believe rightly/or wrongly that is exactly what he has done.
Fired a warning shot across their Bows as he has a lot of followers that will mobilise at his command.
Be very interesting what the Democrats will do with in the first 2 weeks with Biden in charge.?
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January 9, 2021 11:07am
- SB2
  
  At most no more than 100,000 turned up at the Capitol Hill riot!
  
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  January 9, 2021 12:40pm
oldfella

Wow, can’t wait for Kamala to become president-in-waiting. What a cool doodess! //
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Kamala Harris chuckles as she tells the story. Not the chuckle of an insincere politician making up a story to appeal to her base, but the chuckle of a warm, loving woman. The kind of chuckle you would chuckle while hanging out with your family or locking up non-violent drug offenders for decades.
She recalled in her interview with The Babylon Bee how as a little girl she helped slaves escape to the North on the “undewgwound wailwoad.” (Did we mention how warm and sincere she was? It was like talking to your best bud).
https://babylonbee.com/news/kamala-harris-recalls-how-as-a-little-girl-she-helped-slaves-escape-on-the-undergwound-wailwoad
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January 9, 2021 11:17am
Monique Watson

Trump is such a fun fantastic guy. Honestly he did so much for Amurica.
So many of you say so yet you can’t point to one example. Some debate when it descends to the level of denial engaged in here when an obvious criminal is lauded because he promised to “drain the swamp”, and “lock her up” and then took the free world hostage. I can only assume there is some level of passionate innocence on here and you haven’t met the wide variety of crooks, prostitutes, gangsters and ne’er do wells some of us have. And believe me I have. Hazard of the job. There is a number of psychopaths and sociopaths walking around free as your Uncle’s balls while watching the Dodgers play. Trump is one such character.
Oh yeah. A trio of House Democrats are introducing Articles of Impeachment Monday. High Crimes and Misdemeanors; his culpability of which I alleged above.
Whatta nice guy. Impeached twice. Must be misunderstood. They shoulda listened to him when he said his predecessor wasn’t even born here. And now the next Prez is senile and a Communist. We should have the mob guy still. That’s how the world really works.
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January 9, 2021 11:22am
- ISeeRed
  
  Jay-sus. Drama queen much? Who here has ever said Trump was a “nice guy”? As for “lock her up”… When Secretary of State, Clinton had a private server storing sensitive government emails that was subsequently hacked by foreign powers, she then deleted 33,000 of them when subpoenaed and actually ordered staff to physically destroy electronic devices with hammers. Gross incompetence, dereliction of duty, proven malfeasance. Federal crimes that should’ve resulted in a prison sentence. But it’s Trump you want in jail. Riiiiiiight.
  
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  January 9, 2021 12:15pm
  - SB2
    
    Trump is likely to be incarcerated at Rikers Island on State based crimes!
    
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    January 9, 2021 12:45pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Could be worse places to live. Mt Roskill for instance.
      
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      January 9, 2021 1:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        Don’t be racist, Maggie.
        
        Mt Roskill is a Stepiestani ghetto.
        
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        January 9, 2021 1:44pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Or Tindalls Beach – ugh.
        
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        January 9, 2021 4:03pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    What the hell? So your argument is that Clinton got away with it so Trump shouldn’t be put under the spotlight? That’s pretty lightweight dude.
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:26pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Those dudes will never let go of Ben Ghazi and the Buttery Males.
      
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      January 9, 2021 4:04pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      OK. Both Clinton and Trump deserve jail – yes or no?
      
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      January 9, 2021 4:15pm
- lifesgood
  
  Yep I agree the next prez is senile, also corrupt. But there you go, Americans have got what they wished for. You a staunch Democrat, MW?
  
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  January 9, 2021 4:11pm
  - Batman
    
    You don’t have to be a staunch Democrat to know when someone is a maniac and threat to the rule of law.
    
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    January 9, 2021 5:18pm
oldfella

A quick reminder for those of you who have conveniently forgotten the ‘mostly peaceful'(?) protests that broke out when Trump was elected, and the left launched their four, unhinged, years of resistance.
But it’s different when the left do it. Yes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=ABCNews
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January 9, 2021 11:26am
- SB2
  
  How many people killed in that 2017 protest?
  
  Did they occupy Capitol Hill or the Whitehouse as a matter of interest?
  
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  January 9, 2021 12:49pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Did the protesters kill someone? No, it was a trigger-happy agent of the State who killed a protestor.
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:08pm
    - IC5000
      
      > No, it was a trigger-happy agent of the State who killed a protestor.
      
      A police officer engaging in law enforcement duties trying to defend democratically elected officials from mob violence.
      
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      January 9, 2021 4:50pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        TPG wants to overlook the murder of one of the police officers…
        
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        January 9, 2021 6:36pm
      - marcw
        
        @mma
        Sorry are you referring to the death of retired St. Louis police officer David Dorn, or the police officer in DC who collapsed and died in his precinct station after returning from crowd control duties during the 6 January protest rally. If the latter, what evidence do you have that he was “murdered”? If it was Officer Dorn, then you will be pleased to know a St. Louis man has been charged with his murder and is awaiting trial.
        
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        January 9, 2021 6:59pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I was referring to the homicide investigation of the death of Capitol Police officer Sicknick.
        
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        January 9, 2021 7:42pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        If the latter, what evidence do you have that he was “murdered”?
        
        “[Officer Brian D.] Sicknick’s death is being investigated as a homicide by federal and local authorities – […].
        
        “[…]
        
        “Sicknick [42] died ‘due to injuries sustained while on duty,’ U.S. Capitol Police said in a statement. On Wednesday, he ‘was injured while physically engaging with protesters,’ police said. He returned to his division office and collapsed, then was taken to a local hospital where he died around 9:30 p.m. Thursday.
        
        “Sicknick was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher, according to two law enforcement officials who spoke to the Associated Press.”
        
        That’s the evidence, so far.
        
        (See https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/08/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-dies-riot-what-to-know/6593692002/.)
        
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        January 9, 2021 8:16pm
      - marcw
        
        Thank you, previous reports from the Capital Police had previously only reported his injuries were sustained during the protest, but did not offer details on his cause of death. Sad if what you say turns out to be proven, and hopefully justice will be delivered.
        
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        January 9, 2021 8:30pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Sad if what you say turns out to be proven, […].
        
        Huh? What I say? All I said was, “That’s the evidence so far.” I didn’t make it up, marcw.
        
        What I did was reproduce direct quotes from the article I linked to!
        
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        January 9, 2021 9:16pm
      - marcw
        
        No, what you said is ‘alleged’ evidence so far. I said it would be sad if it was proven. You really are one know all prick.
        
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        January 9, 2021 9:26pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Where did I say the word “alleged”?
        
        And as for calling me “one know all prick” whilst cowering under a pseudonym! Sad! Pathetic!
        
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        January 9, 2021 9:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

And so the socialist cancer starts to spread. Liz Wheeler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYrsromqbRY
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January 9, 2021 11:30am
- Inandout
  
  SO, Democialists love keeping the lid on people, it is their way. Works terribly though in rotting cities like LA and New York.
  
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  January 9, 2021 12:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Works just fine for the Marxist Cuomo. This is the prick that put the Covid sick in rest homes which resulted is about 11000 dying
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:32pm
- SB2
  
  This response sums up Liz Wheeler’s rant perfectly ,
  
  jillsyillsy
  
  “Let me guess……all the potential carriers will coincidentally be conservatives.”
  
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  January 9, 2021 12:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “all the potential carriers will coincidentally be conservatives.”
    Of coarse they will be, Cuomo is a full blown Marxist
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:30pm
oldfella

Just spotted on Twitter:

“BREAKING: Apple is currently threatening to ban Parler — the free speech alternative to Twitter — unless the service enacts draconian censorship policies demanded by left-wing Big Tech oligarchs, according to two sources familiar with Apple’s threats.”

Nothing to see here, folks. Just some super-rich leftist wokies trying to suppress any of that terrible ‘hate speech’ AKA speech they hate!
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January 9, 2021 11:30am
- Inandout
  
  oldfella, even big tech can’t completely control the internet. There are far too many techies out there who continually look for ways around ‘controls’.
  
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  January 9, 2021 12:04pm
  - oldfella
    
    Inandout, the rumours seem to be true. Apple really are trying to help crush what they see as an upstart competitor which actually supports free speech (unlike Apple).
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    Apple has given Parler, the social network favored by conservatives and extremists, an ultimatum to implement a full moderation plan of its platform within the next 24 hours or face expulsion from the App store.
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/apple-threatens-ban-parler
    
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    January 9, 2021 12:34pm
    - oldfella
      
      When you think about Apple trying to crush Parler you have to (almost) smile — a slave labor company wanting to ban a free speech company.
      Yep, welcome to 2021. If you thought 2020 was bad, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
      
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      January 9, 2021 2:49pm
  - bruceavon
    
    Apple can easily ban an app. Little can be done about it.
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:10pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Apparently, that’s the “free market” in action. Free markets supposedly ALWAYS lead to monopolies, which are baaaaaad. Lefties spend sleepless nights fretting over private companies gaining and abusing a near-monopoly position…until it’s free speech. Then suddenly they discover an unwavering commitment to defending the right of businesses to discriminate and censor and act in bad faith. Curious, isn’t it?
  
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  January 9, 2021 12:27pm
- Fletch
  
  Doesn’t matter. Parler can be viewed on any browser. Doesn’t really need an app.
  
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  January 9, 2021 12:49pm
  - Batman
    
    This is true, racists and violent far-right criminals don’t need apps per se.
    
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    January 9, 2021 12:53pm
    - oldfella
      
      Batman, you really do come across as unhinged sometimes. And even a bit hateful, but that’s okay, free speech and all that.
      
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      January 9, 2021 2:21pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Nobody uses Parler so nobody cares. That’s why Trump went back to stirring shit up on Twitter.
  
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  January 9, 2021 1:22pm
  - Fletch
    
    Actually, you’ll find that a lot of people are ditching Twitter and moving to Parler. A flood of people moving happened near the mid-to-end of last year and has been steadily picking up steam.
    
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    January 9, 2021 3:22pm
Maggie Pie

During a recent visit here, one of my Wellington based Twitter besties has just shared her experience with UBER. It was truly disgusting.

https://twitter.com/LexxyBrownxo/status/1347652946675212288

This is the exact reason I only ever use them to get Indian takeaways.
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January 9, 2021 11:34am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  She has a thigh tattoo, so I imagine that she is the sort to complain if the guy hadn’t stared at it. That, and she would indeed have in fact been “staying alone in her accommodation.” Seems like a dumb bimbo to me. Another attention-seeking Twitterite.
  
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  January 9, 2021 12:22pm
- SB2
  
  So why didn’t cry baby Whaabz lodge a complaint?
  
  I would of thought Indian takeaways would be off limits in your menu of Bangers, peas and mash
  
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  January 9, 2021 12:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    If you had even bothered to read thru Lexie’s tweets properly, you would see she HAS lodged a complaint, you f–ing dickhead!
    
    And hey, what’s with all the nastiness all of a sudden? 🙁
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:28pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      The ferals need another outlet for their TDS now that Trump will be out of their shartlight.
      
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      January 9, 2021 1:49pm
Tauhei Notts

I have noticed an upwards trend in the American benchmark 10 year government bond yield. Particularly over the past week.
If that comes to New Zealand interest rates it could be dreadful for our over pumped economy.
I would love to see comments on this matter from people more skilled than me in economic matters.
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January 9, 2021 11:50am
- ISeeRed
  
  US dollar is on a downward gliding pattern.
  
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  January 9, 2021 12:16pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    But with the higher bond rate it strengthened on Friday. (Saturday, our time)
    
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    January 9, 2021 12:52pm
  - SB2
    
    Thanks to Trump and the Riot at Capital Hill!
    
    Five dead!
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:43pm
    - Fletch
      
      Thanks to Trump? In what way? Nothing to do with him.
      
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      January 9, 2021 3:27pm
  - SB2
    
    US dollar is on a downward gliding pattern??
    
    Where and when exactly?
    
    U.S. stocks close at all-time highs after Biden promise of more aid offsets worst jobs report since April
    
    Last Updated: Jan. 8, 2021 at 5:24 p.m. ET
    
    U.S. equity-indexes clinched a fresh round of records Friday, to close out a volatile first week of 2021, with President-elect Biden’s promise of more financial aid for Americans offsetting a report showing the first monthly job losses since April amid a resurgence of COVID-19 cases.
    How did stock benchmarks perform?
    
    The Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA closed up 56.84 points, or 0.2%, at 31,097.97 for a new record, after four straight weeks of gains
    
    The S&P 500 index SPX added 20.89 points to end at 3,824.68, a gain of 0.6%, another new record and the second consecutive week of gains.
    
    The Nasdaq Composite Index COMP rose 134.50 points, or 1%, to 13,201.98, to also close at a record after four straight weeks of gains.
    
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-poised-to-add-to-record-rally-as-stock-market-investors-await-jobs-report-11610109474
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:48pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      SB2, if you Google it, lots of stories about USD at 2.5 year low. If you see also check USD vs. NZD chart, you’ll see a steadily weakening US dollar against our own for a good nine months.
      
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      January 9, 2021 11:09pm
Steve Todd

Nancy means business. Resign, or be impeached!

(See https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/8/pelosi-calls-for-trump-to-resign-or-else-face-remo/?)
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January 9, 2021 12:06pm
- oldfella
  
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, Steve. Poor old Nancy.
  ‘Resign you awful man, or we’ll impeach you again, or I’ll hold my breath until I turn blue and all my facial filler falls out. So there!’
  
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  January 9, 2021 12:11pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    It’s all good fun, oldfella. Nancy is doing what Nancy has to do.
    
    Prediction: Neither removal by means of Amendment XXV, nor conviction of a “high Crime [or] Misdemeanor”, will happen between now and the 20th.
    
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    January 9, 2021 12:35pm
    - lifesgood
      
      I’ll never forget her tearing up Trump’s speech with a malicious look on her face. She is one nasty piece of work.
      
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      January 9, 2021 4:15pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oooh, tearing up a speech. And with a menacing look! How disturbing.
        
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        January 9, 2021 6:38pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  They can’t wait 12 days, what are they so scared of?
  
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  January 9, 2021 1:34pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    They could be scared of the “amazing” event, or events, that you and NewInoffensiveName know Trump is going to cause to happen, sometime between now and the 20th, Wayne.
    
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    January 9, 2021 3:17pm
- Paulus
  
  Wow, I am scared of our Nancy !
  
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  January 9, 2021 2:21pm
lazza

It’s the psych ward for the Big T. Delusional narcissistic damaged child syndromes.

Nuff said.
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January 9, 2021 12:10pm
oldfella

I see Glorious Leader has her priorities right. You go, girl. You and Kamala will be besties in no time.
https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2021/01/our-fearless-leader-arises-from-her.html
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January 9, 2021 12:25pm
oldfella

No one could ever accuse Twitter of being fair and even-handed.
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Twitter has allowed a Chinese tweet about Uighur women becoming “more confident and independent” in China’s alleged concentration camps in Xinjiang, while continuously censoring President Donald Trump.
https://www.westernjournal.com/twitter-allows-china-paint-uighur-concentration-camps-victory-women/?utm_source=site&utm_medium=protrumpnews&utm_campaign=can

Maybe we need to update that oft-quoted slogan to read:
‘Don’t trust China OR TWITTER. China AND TWITTER is asshole!’
There. Much better.
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January 9, 2021 12:44pm
Steve Todd

Breaking!! (As Maggie Pie would say.)

Twitter permanently bans the realDonaldTrump: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/8/twitter-permanently-bans-donald-trump/?
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January 9, 2021 12:46pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Good. I can post about the earth being flat, but not about election fraud. At least the editorial decisions made by Big Tech are solely motivated by distinguishing truth from falsehoods.
  
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  January 9, 2021 1:03pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Those flat earthers are always inciting violence and trying to overthrow democratic processes!
    
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    January 9, 2021 4:08pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  It’s exactly as my partner just said Steve, all they want to do is control the leftist agenda and throttle free speech.
  
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  January 9, 2021 1:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Typical leftist behavior. Don’t like it, then BAN it
  
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  January 9, 2021 1:35pm
- Andrei
  
  Aint it funny telling people to go home is inciting violence but people like Kamala Harris and AOC tweeting support for BLM as they burn cities isn’t?
  
  I’m confused
  
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  January 9, 2021 3:52pm
  - Batman
    
    “burn cities” lol ok.
    
    Though I suppose you’re all saying the Capitol seige was just a friendly protest and self-guided your anyway, so that checks out.
    
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    January 9, 2021 5:07pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      August 27, 2020
      
      Kamala Harris was on The Late Show, saying “the riots are not going to stop, ever, and to BEWARE.” With a smile on her face.
      
      pic.twitter.com/xkwAUOMJcL
      
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      January 9, 2021 6:00pm
- Fletch
  
  He is still on there using his govt account….lol
  
  https://twitter.com/POTUS
  
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  January 9, 2021 4:09pm
  - MCos
    
    The account hasn’t been used since Xmas Eve & basically for bland announcements.
    Here’s a tweet from Mike Pence from two months ago
    “Before the year is out, we’ll be able to administer a vaccine to tens of millions of Americans.”
    Thus far just over seven million have had dose one.
    
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    January 9, 2021 8:00pm
Fletch

What you may not know. While the media were going on about events transpiring in the Capitol, ANTIFA were rioting at the same time in Portland.

Overnight on 6 Jan., #antifa rioted again in Portland. They first tried to break into the Multnomah County Courthouse. After that, they marched around downtown, smashing businesses one-by-one. Police made no arrests. This is the 3rd antifa riot since NYE.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1347157489456975872
https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=281450

Windows smashed at Starbucks.

https://twitter.com/JenDowlingKoin6/status/1347066355489464321

See, it’s one law for Antifa and BLM, and a different law for everyone else.
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January 9, 2021 12:52pm
- SB2
  
  Fletch, how many killed in the Portland and other Antifa rioting?
  
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  January 9, 2021 1:17pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Don’t worry stehieboy, they won’t decline your membership application since you now defend them.
    
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    January 9, 2021 3:03pm
  - Fletch
    
    As of August last year, the number of deaths in total was 30. Probably more by now.
    
    https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/19/death-toll-rises-to-an-estimated-30-victims-since-mostly-peaceful-protests-began/
    
    One of the most egrarious was that of retired cop David Dorn who the rioters left dying on the side of the street (hard to watch images)
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQPHVpfBwr4&bpctr=1610161347
    
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    January 9, 2021 3:28pm
    - Fletch
      
      egregious (spelling)
      
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      January 9, 2021 3:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Different laws yes – and the media protecting them. I just saw a photo of Antifa and BLM inside Capitol Hill having a punchup with the Police/Homeland Security/National Guard. All of the anarchist’s faces were pixelated, why?
  
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  January 9, 2021 1:45pm
Stu2

I wonder what Rudy Giuliani’s “trial by combat” message will result in. It isn’t exactly opaque
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January 9, 2021 12:53pm
- Stu2
  
  The idiot is as guilty as hell, but what I think will happen is a presidental pardon.
  
  That won’t protect him from an action at the state level of course
  
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  January 9, 2021 3:53pm
oldfella

And as an update to my comment above about Twitter, they have just gone full TDS and banned Trump. For good. Bastards!
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Twitter has permanently suspended President Trump from Twitter over a pattern of behavior that violated company rules.
“After close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them — specifically how they are being received and interpreted on and off Twitter — we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence,” the company said in a statement announcing the ban.
Officials at Twitter said elected officials and world leaders are encouraged to speak freely on the platform.
“However,” Twitter noted. “We made it clear going back years that these accounts are not above our rules entirely and cannot use Twitter to incite violence, among other things. We will continue to be transparent around our policies and their enforcement.”
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/08/954760928/twitter-bans-president-trump-citing-risk-of-further-incitement-of-violence
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January 9, 2021 12:54pm
- Bovver
  
  Good job, couldn’t happen to a nicer bigly loser.
  
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  January 9, 2021 1:08pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Big Tech coming down hard. Parler is now in the crosshairs according to Dan Bongino
  
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  January 9, 2021 1:40pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Welcome to the United Socialist States of America
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/breaking-apple-threatens-ban-parler-unless-enact-draconian-censorship-policies-demanded-big-tech-oligarchs/?
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:52pm
  - Fletch
    
    They can’t stand that everyone is leaving to go to another platform and taking their toys with them. Hard to be king of the sandpit with no kids around. So they go and tell mom.
    
    Even Trump will end up on Parler.
    
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    January 9, 2021 1:53pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I think he tried to get on Parler but somehow things did not work out ………
      
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      January 9, 2021 2:27pm
      - curry4me
        
        Steve Otto(North Shore) He is on it.
        
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        January 9, 2021 4:00pm
  - coge
    
    Big tech of today are tomorrow’s 90’s dinosaurs. Not long now.
    
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    January 9, 2021 3:48pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  And yet Twitter hosts nasty imams from the Middle East directly threatening terror…
  
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  January 9, 2021 1:53pm
- Fletch
  
  He is back, using his govt account….lol
  
  https://twitter.com/POTUS
  
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  January 9, 2021 4:23pm
SB2

“..banned Trump. For good. ” ?

“There is only one law in nature and that is consequences”
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January 9, 2021 1:20pm
SB2

This says it all,

“Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years”

As Trump rails against ‘far-left’ fascism, new database shows leftwing attacks have left far fewer people dead than violence by rightwing extremists

Donald Trump has made warnings about the threat of antifa and “far-left fascism” a central part of his re-election campaign. But in reality leftwing attacks have left far fewer people dead than violence by rightwing extremists, new research indicates, and antifa activists have not been linked to a single murder in decades.

A new database of nearly 900 politically motivated attacks and plots in the United States since 1994 includes just one attack staged by an anti-fascist that led to fatalities. In that case, the single person killed was the perpetrator.

Over the same time period, American white supremacists and other rightwing extremists have carried out attacks that left at least 329 victims dead, according to the database

More broadly, the database lists 21 victims killed in leftwing attacks since 2010 , and 117 victims of rightwing attacks in that same period – nearly six times as much. Attacks inspired by the Islamic State and similar jihadist groups, in contrast, killed 95 people since 2010, slightly fewer than rightwing extremists, according to the data set. More than half of these victims died in a a single attack on a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, in 2016.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa
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January 9, 2021 1:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Boy, I say, Boy, you need a lesson in History.
  Foghorn Leghorn
  
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  January 9, 2021 2:29pm
- Fletch
  
  Come on. You know that just isn’t true.
  
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  January 9, 2021 3:30pm
  - RichardX
    
    How do you know what someone else knows?
    Can you read minds or are you using Trumps method of assertion without evidence?
    
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    January 9, 2021 4:04pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Prove him wrong.
    
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    January 9, 2021 4:10pm
    - Inandout
      
      m&m, from the Guardian. There, just did it.
      
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      January 14, 2021 9:23am
- James Stephenson
  
  I’m sure that’s a great comfort to all those businesses burnt and looted from across the county, the people hounded from their jobs for “wrongthink” and innocent diners harangued outside restaurants for the crime of eating whilst being white.
  
  Rightwing extremists are extreme, and always denounced by conservative politicians. Left wing facists are now the mainstream left, encouraged and excused by media and elected officials all the way up to Biden himself.
  
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  January 9, 2021 3:39pm
  - Batman
    
    Your second part is wrong. Just look at the little fascist Hawley and his buddies.
    
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    January 9, 2021 5:09pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      All of his comment is plainly wrong.
      
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      January 9, 2021 6:40pm
SB2

Tweet of the week,

They’re in the chamber. One is up on the dais yelling “Trump won that election!”

This is insane

https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1346906369232920576
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January 9, 2021 1:40pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone else like me that’s noticed just how much more bolshie the leftards have become here lately, and the greater proliferation of downticks appearing?

I can’t even remember now the last time one of my comments achieved ‘Yellow’ status.

Just saying.
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January 9, 2021 1:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Some leftards are trolling so as to get the Mods to make decisions that they would not normally make. The obvious is stupid boy who gets away with all sorts
  
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  January 9, 2021 2:39pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Yeah, quite a few sock puppets and the same old regular ones.
  
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  January 9, 2021 2:50pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Sod, sob.
  
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  January 9, 2021 4:10pm
oldfella

Yep, Maggie, the leftards smell blood.
Time to come out of their closets and start waving their pitchforks now they think the opposition is down and out…
Then again, they might be a bit premature.
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January 9, 2021 2:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The term ‘leftards’ will be banned soon
  
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  January 9, 2021 2:40pm
Stu2

USA have hit a new low – over 4000 covid dead in a day after a sequence of 3,000 days

The vaccine will turn it around eventually, but they have been struggling to roll it out quickly
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January 9, 2021 2:39pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Incorrect. The definition of a covid death does not mean the deceased died of covid. Also, the usual i.e. seasonal flu in the US in 2017 killed 80,000 people, including 180 children, and 900,000 people were hospitalized, making it the worst flu season in 40 years. So, panic a little less, reason and research a little more, and wake up to the fact the Covid Controls are mostly about the Control and not as much about the Covid…
  
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  January 9, 2021 4:49pm
  - SB2
    
    You’re no different from Trump spreading disinformation especially Covid is no different to the seasonal flu or no more harmful than the “sniffles”
    
    Fallacies and disinformation the single biggest reason that cost Trump the election,
    
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2020/10/05/trump-covid-19-coronavirus-disinformation-facebook-twitter-election/3632194001/
    
    Go and tell that to those families whose loved ones who. have died from it and or seriously affected by it.
    
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    January 9, 2021 5:42pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      And from the normal ‘flu – and from heart attacks – and from strokes – and from various cancers.
      Thinking about it, you are a cancer on this blog – which may well lead to it’s demise.
      
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      January 9, 2021 7:38pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Oh, your source is USAToday? Sweet. You be you.
      
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      January 9, 2021 7:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Author unknown, but words of wisdom.
“This morning, I realized that everything is about to change. No matter how I vote, no matter what I say, lives are never going to be the same.
I have been confused by the hostility of family and friends. I look at people I have known all my life so hate-filled that they agree with opinions they would never express as their own. I think that I may well have entered the Twilight Zone.
You can’t justify this insanity. We have become a nation that has lost its collective mind.
We see other countries going Socialist and collapsing, but it seems like a great plan to us.
Somehow it’s un-American for the census to count how many Americans are in America.
People who say there is no such thing as gender are demanding a female President.
Universities that advocate equality, discriminate against Asian-Americans in favor of African-Americans.
Some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, and other people are not held responsible for what they are doing right now.
Criminals are caught-and-released to hurt more people, but stopping them is bad because it’s a violation of THEIR rights.
People who have never owned slaves should pay slavery reparations to people who have never been slaves.
After legislating gender, if a dude pretends to be a woman, you are required to pretend with him.
It was cool for Joe Biden to “blackmail” the President of Ukraine, but it’s an impeachable offense if Donald Trump inquiries about it.
People who have never been to college should pay the debts of college students who took out huge loans for their degrees.
Immigrants with tuberculosis and polio are welcome, but you’d better be able to prove your dog is vaccinated.
Irish doctors and German engineers who want to immigrate to the US must go through a rigorous vetting process, but any illiterate gang-bangers who jump the southern fence are welcomed.
$5 billion for border security is too expensive, but $1.5 trillion for “free” health care is not.
If you cheat to get into college you go to prison, but if you cheat to get into the country you go to college for free.
And, pointing out all this hypocrisy somehow makes us “racists”!
Nothing makes sense anymore, no values, no morals, no civility and people are dying of a Chinese virus, but it is racist to refer to it as Chinese even though it began in China.
We are clearly living in an upside-down world where right is wrong and wrong is right, where moral is immoral and immoral is moral, where good is evil and evil is good, where killing murderers is wrong, but killing innocent babies is right.
Wake up America. The great unsinkable ship Titanic America has hit an iceberg, is taking on water and sinking fast.
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January 9, 2021 2:45pm
- [email protected]
  
  I agree with 90% of what you said above. Wish I could uptick you more than one.
  
  Dear Mod,
  Please consider a separate multi-uptick box for those that feel strongly about a topic.
  
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  January 9, 2021 4:51pm
- Harriet
  
  Like me Steve every conservatist and Trumpist has always largely been an anarchist – as we don’t believe we should be ruled over – but rather live freely under the US constitution.
  
  And what you have listed above is the reason why – governments have lost all sense of rational behavior and are now more interested in delivering the unobtainable to almost any person who seeks it, no matter how ridiculous the demand; yes, you now meet the government’s standard of what a women is, and not that of anyone else’s on earth!
  
  Gynaecology is clearly now the new sexist practice. Looks like some women will just have to die! 😎
  
  Gynaecology or gynecology (see spelling differences) is the medical practice dealing with the health of the female reproductive system (vagina, uterus, and ovaries). Outside medicine, the term means “the science of women”. Its counterpart is andrology, which deals with medical issues specific to the male reproductive system.
  
  Jacinda is nothing more than the CEO of a mental asylum. 😎
  
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  January 9, 2021 5:02pm
  - RichardX
    
    Is this another example of “Harriet logic”?
    
    What the fuck is a “conservatist”?
    
    Have you ever lived freely under the US constitution?
    
    What is sexist about having specialist knowledge of one specific anatomical structure?
    
    Is it ageist to have pediatricians?
    
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    January 9, 2021 8:00pm
    - MFD
      
      What the fuck is a “conservatist”?
      
      It is a person who hoards jam and/or marmalade.
      
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      January 10, 2021 8:15am
- SB2
  
  “It was cool for Joe Biden to “blackmail” the President of Ukraine, but it’s an impeachable offense if Donald Trump inquiries about it”
  
  He did no such thing!.
  
  “We are clearly living in an upside-down world where right is wrong and wrong is right, where moral is immoral and immoral is moral, where good is evil and evil is good,…”
  
  And Trump is a fine and upstanding role model?
  
  LOL!
  
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  January 9, 2021 5:47pm
  - Fletch
    
    Of course he did.
    
    * There is Joe on video admitting to it and laughing about it
    * There is the Hunter Biden laptop detailing the communications and the deals
    * There are two former Hunter Biden associates who attest to the same. We know their names. They aren’t anonymous sources who give secret testimony in the basement of a govt building. One of whom met Joe Biden and his brother twice.. They got him to try and set up the deals for them.
    
    So you have Joe admitting it on video, hard copy evidence in the form of emails and phone texts, together with two material witnesses. And Hunter is under FBI investigation and has been for 2 years. What more proof do you need? A signed confession? That’s the only thing lacking.
    
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    January 9, 2021 7:12pm
Biscuit

A US friend has mentioned the ‘coup’ that His Orangeness attempted to perp:

‘Of course, it’s not actually a coup unless it comes from the coup d’état region of France. Otherwise it’s just a sparkling authoritarian takeover.’

Heh heh…
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January 9, 2021 2:58pm
- MFD
  
  …unless it is a juice coup. I understand that President Ford may have been involved in one of those.
  
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  January 10, 2021 11:43am
Monique Watson

And on the positive side Steve Otto, the current President of the United States incited a mob to turn on democracy and raid the very seat of American Government yesterday and the Capitol cops thought it was a hoot at first and took selfies.
At least Puerto Rico has relaxed its Covid restrictions. I can destress from all this political nonsense sometime soon on the beach. Either that or book a hotel in Paraparaumu. But that requires a two week stay with no beach views prior.
Life goes on is my point. 😉
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January 9, 2021 3:05pm
- Fletch
  
  the current President of the United States incited a mob
  
  Proof? I never heard him utter one word to that effect.
  
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  January 9, 2021 4:33pm
  - Batman
    
    You’re just a glutton for punishment, Fletchy
    
    https://fortune.com/2021/01/07/trump-speech-capitol-attack-riots-pence-we-will-never-concede-maga-rally/
    
    “We will never give up; we will never concede,” Trump said to thunderous applause. “We will stop the steal. We’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol…We’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones…the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”
    
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    January 9, 2021 5:16pm
    - Fletch
      
      Still waiting for the bit about the uprising…. go on…
      
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      January 9, 2021 6:00pm
- Stu2
  
  If the part of the mob looking to harm Polosi and Pence had succeeded, then the cops that didn’t do their jobs would have been hammered
  
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  January 9, 2021 5:32pm
- Kevin Herlihy
  
  Homeland Security will be standing by with some special bracelets for the Don on Jan 20. As soon as Biden says he solemnly declares to uphold the office of President, the bracelets will go on the Don.
  
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  January 9, 2021 5:36pm
  - Inandout
    
    Dream on KH. And as for Biden will he suddenly become lucid? Poor bugger now knows what ‘useful fool’ means.
    
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    January 9, 2021 6:28pm
    - Kevin Herlihy
      
      Trump showed the World that he is the world’s biggest loser. He will be held accountable for his crimes and will face the full consequences of his actions. Both Trump and Guiliani caused the riot and no self directed pardon will save them.
      
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      January 9, 2021 7:47pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Agreed.
        
        Even if Trump goes against the advice of his own legal advisers, and self-pardons himself, the Supreme Court will likely strike it down on appeal, and then it will be all on.
        
        Unfortunately, a pardon for Guiliani (who, as you imply, is as much the cause as Trump is for the insurrection on Wednesday), will be legal.
        
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        January 9, 2021 8:45pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Jeez Kev, get your nurse to change your Depends you’ve soiled the ones you’re wearing.
    
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    January 9, 2021 7:47pm
Wired-one

Apparently the concept of free speech and tolerance continues to elude the left in America. What did you think would happen when you spent four years marginalizing half the country and resisting a presidency? Itll happen here too, you can guarenntee it. It may just take a while longer.
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January 9, 2021 4:00pm
JibberJabber

Hypocritical, much?

https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1346581762433044482
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January 9, 2021 4:21pm
Fletch

Now Google have removed Parler from their Play store after it was reported that Trump might move there… Utterly childish and pathetic. The authoritarians are dropping their masks.
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January 9, 2021 4:30pm
- Batman
  
  Parler is full of racists and white supremacist fascists who have spent weeks calling for the violent overthrow of the government and a second civil war.
  
  If you’re with them, you have no place in a civilised society based on the rule of law.
  
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  January 9, 2021 5:17pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Calm down, Karen.
    
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    January 9, 2021 5:45pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yeah, but Fletch thinks Google should be forced to sell whatever he approves of.
    
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    January 9, 2021 6:21pm
  - Inandout
    
    Batman, show me where Parler support BLAntifa riots and mayhem?
    
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    January 9, 2021 6:30pm
  - Wired-one
    
    So Parler should be banned because some use it to stir trouble? If that’s the case, then Facebook, Twitter and any other social media site needs to be banned to. Or are only conservative sites responsible for what their users write. Try thinking before you type. Generalizing helps no one.
    
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    January 9, 2021 6:30pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Who is ‘banning’ Parler, as distinct to not offering their app from a store?
      
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      January 9, 2021 6:59pm
      - James Stephenson
        
        When Google and Apple have a duopoly on smart device internet access then we can use the word “ban”.
        
        When they’re apparently doing it to protect Twitter, then we can also use the word “cartel”. There are laws about this stuff.
        
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        January 9, 2021 8:00pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        LOL
        
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        January 9, 2021 8:45pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Fuck off Batman – you’re batting for the wrong team.
    
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    January 9, 2021 7:44pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Oh, great, I’m a racist white supremacist now? Why a rational person like DPF gives you free reign here is beyond me. I’d be banned by an ineffective little shit like you if I gave you both barrels.
    
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    January 9, 2021 9:18pm
    - MFD
      
      Dear Mr. Prick,
      
      The term is “free rein”.
      
      Remind us what you wrote a week or so back regarding self respect and proof reading comments prior to pressing the blue button, if you would be so kind.
      
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      January 10, 2021 7:55am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Sad to see DPF destroy his brand and blog with questionable moderation and tolerance of trolls and haters who add little except vitriol and snark.
      
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      January 10, 2021 9:26am
- Monique Watson
  
  Word is they’re looking for another 10,780 members to join Parler by the 20th.
  
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  January 9, 2021 5:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    11,780. Fixed it for you. Stop the troll.
    
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    January 9, 2021 6:57pm
    - Monique Watson
      
      Thanks. And I’ve been around here, anyone who’d been here long as I have know I’m not a troll. Take a break from time to time. And don’t agree with everything on the right especially when led by a megalomaniac psychopath. Night.
      
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      January 9, 2021 7:42pm
JibberJabber

C’mon, this one is funny for those on both sides of the divide…?
https://slug.com/group/JokesMemes/discussion/169941/sounds-about-white
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January 9, 2021 4:41pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You mean the ‘divide’ between the reality-based community and everyone else?
  
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  January 9, 2021 6:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mike, it is past 6.30 now. Your caregivers should be giving you a bedbath now
    
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    January 9, 2021 7:00pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That’s hilarious, Steve.
      
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      January 9, 2021 7:35pm
Monique Watson

“Coward: MAGA internet turns on Trump”

This is the grieving process in action. I see it on the local tv networks and amoungst my friends. There is only so much sustained outrage that can be sustained and at the end of the day any scorn will be poured on a Trump by his own supporters who he has let down the most:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/01/08/maga-internet-turns-on-trump-456490

The most telling comment: “As Americans, we will support our president on January 20 and beyond.”

Whoever is sitting in that seat. Even if we fucking hate that they are the opposite ends of the political spectrum. Even if I wish the VP had made it as a Republican woman.

And Trump will be no one. Except possibly a target of scorn from those who once worshipped him.
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January 9, 2021 5:55pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  That’ll tell a while to work in Monique. Trump obviously made the sell-out speech when under pressure. If he’d held on they may have weathered the storm together, now it will sink in that he sold them out and shit on them.
  He became the good old boy conservative they’ve been bitching about forever. Folded up like a tent.
  
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  January 9, 2021 8:51pm
JibberJabber

If you are gonna put Trump in court for incitement these 4 feckless #*@^$ can stand in the dock with him.
https://twitter.com/claude_titley/status/1347343391076487170

Check your Hypocrisy.
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January 9, 2021 6:04pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hypocrisy,or whataboutism? Plenty of people have condemned any political violence.
  It’s a pretty weak defence of criminals to claim that other people have not condemned other crimes.
  
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  January 9, 2021 7:01pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Always with the excuses Mikey when your Democrat agitprop mates get pulled up for doing the very stuff you condemn others for.
    
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    January 9, 2021 7:52pm
  - Inandout
    
    m&m, you are floundering because you know the left are ruthless, rudderless cretins who like to eat their own. Your lot practiced ‘whataboutism’ for 4 bloody years and Pelosi and Chuck were nigh on insane with their carry ons.
    
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    January 9, 2021 8:18pm
    - Bingo99
      
      Strange. the American Left, the Democrats at least, are generally criticized for being too weak, meek and afraid to adopt the brutal realpolitik that the Republicans have for decades to push their agenda. The Dems regularly turn inward and become obsessively introverted and excessively self-reflective whenever there is a perception of opposition.
      
      If anything, the Dems – the part of the “left” that they represent, which is akin to NZ’s National Party – needs to harden up and get more ruthless.
      
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      January 9, 2021 8:47pm
- SB2
  
  Elliot’s Page
  @ElliotIkilei
  ·
  Jan 8
  The Capitol Hill protest is unacceptable, but while there is condemnation by hardened Progressives such as
  @jacindaardern
  and
  @HelenClarkNZ
  , they have ignored innocents killed & assaulted, shops destroyed by hate groups like BLM or Antifa
  
  Definition of such people?
  
  Hypocrites
  
  Who is Elliot Page other than a ranting loon?
  
  https://news.yahoo.com/actor-elliot-page-formerly-ellen-page-announces-he-is-transgender-185442000.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALucSNHzXmwuI0vd_wy_NPNKK8abhU7JSv2nTmfLFA6IFDd5DXqKYxOaYqhBIh2ep-8EMQv7XfpJAP6majjtUMmx5WoIDQPSjPIVeGd_TmIbnXLh9EIQ08SXmXeEww2KoMwZeMkWTW2mj7uHqvKBmjgkifoJ0sfneXAZsGoESpvx
  
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  January 9, 2021 8:09pm
  - SB2
    
    Ah the penny has dropped,
    
    Elliot Ikilei.
    
    Elliot Ewen Pasione Ikilei is a New Zealand politician. He is a member of the New Conservative Party and has contested two general elections without success.
    
    Wikipedia
    
    Says it all!
    
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    January 9, 2021 8:20pm
    - Mrs_Right
      
      Please point out where he is wrong?
      He is spot on!
      
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      January 9, 2021 8:37pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Is it also hypocrisy if they don’t condemn every other violent protests everywhere in the world?
        But one doesn’t need to be a genius to discern a difference between protest groups rioting and a mob assault a legislature at the behest of the head of government.
        
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        January 9, 2021 8:48pm
    - marcw
      
      Seriously SB, get some help. You are not doing your health any good being here and over-egging most of the other people’s posts. A real man is not afraid to seek professional help and advice.
      
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      January 9, 2021 8:38pm
Bingo99

What’s most remarkable this week is that, essentially, one branch of the three branches of government encouraged a physical assault on another – is that a first in US history? It fundamentally undermines the entire structure of the US government, the principles of the country’s founders and, ultimately, the Constitution.

But the self-anointed defenders of freedom and the Constitution and the “American way” never gave a stuff about that – it’s all about petty tribalism (and ultimately, racism because they really hate blacks. Mexicans and Jews) amidst the feverish cult worship of a man so utterly awful that he would throw his own supporters under a bus to save himself in an instant.

It explains why, while amateurish and ultimately doomed to fail, this is so viscerally awful for Americans. I can’t think of another example – at least in modern times – of one branch of the US government openly encouraging an uprising against one of the others. Imagine if Chief Justice Roberts convened his followers and supporters to physically attack the White House because he claims the President is a fraud, a pedophile, a rapist, a bankrupt, a proven pathological liar, a mentally unhinged incompetent. Imagine the outrage at the sight of the White House being stormed by a bunch of hillbilly thugs!

And you just know that Trump supporters on this blog know it’s gone too far. Every conspiracy they peddle – the ANTIFA demons! – every false equivalency – the BLM protests – it’s because they know that this has gone too far for even them to stomach. Never to admit it, of course.

Oh it was all such fun acting all tough and strutting about, huh? Spouting insanities and unhinged hatred online with your buddies. Yeeeeeehaw! Until everyone saw the truly demented inflict themselves for all the world to see.

The impeachment? It won’t pass the senate. But it will occupy Trump and distract him over his final weeks, hopefully enough to distract him from any more insanities.
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January 9, 2021 8:39pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think being impeached by the house for a second time will underline the seriousness of the president’s attempt to undermine the constitution and the rule of law.
  
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  January 9, 2021 8:50pm
  - Kevin Herlihy
    
    The impeachment documents are now circulating in the respective houses with Pelosi demanding Trump resign by Tuesday or face impeachment.
    The process stands a limited chance of success, however the moderate faction of the Republican Party may cross the floor of the Senate and vote against Trump.Trump has made plenty of enemies within the Republican Party during his tenure. He will be subpeonaed to appear before the House committee to face charges which he cannot avoid.
    
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    January 9, 2021 9:42pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Seriously Bingo, that is the most feeble attempt at gaslighting I’ve ever seen.
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  Need to try harder…
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:07pm
  - quarterpack
    
    I dont think Bingo put that post to deliberately upset you in any way…..if you don’t agree with it, then try an articulate a coherent response of some sort
    
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    January 9, 2021 9:54pm
  - Bingo99
    
    So can you explain how? I’m genuinely not familiar with gaslighting and have had to look it up. Something about making people question their memory of an event and therefore their own reality.
    
    If that’s a reasonable descriptor of it, then perhaps you can elaborate? Did the president not egg on his supporters to physically attack another branch of government? Isn’t that what this whole controversy about? Don’t you find that extraordinary?
    
    In fact… are you the one feebly gaslighting?
    
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    January 10, 2021 10:36am
- Inandout
  
  Bingo, so endeth the sermon. Well at least you have been allowed an opinion and not been censored.
  
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  January 9, 2021 9:13pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Bingo is right on one point and that is it would not pass the Senate.
    
    Biden calls for unity and reconciliation and the Dems and he infers Trump is a Nazi. At least Trump is not a communist like Comrade Ardern.
    
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    January 9, 2021 9:55pm
  - Bingo99
    
    It was a bit lengthy, I’ll give you that. It’s just such an extraordinary set of circumstances that I’m not sure how else to put it. Perhaps – ‘Executive branch attacks legislative branch in historic first’? Tabloid headline approach, noted.
    
    But which element do you disagree with? Or is the reality of this horror laid bare that makes you uncomfortable? Because I’m not seeing any rebuttal.
    
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    January 10, 2021 10:39am
Fletch

Trump’s full Tweet today – it sounds like he has something special planned for Twitter.

As I have been saying for a long time, Twitter has gone further and further in banning free speech, and tonight, Twitter employees have coordinated with the Democrats and the Radical Left in removing my account from their platform, to silence me — and YOU, the 75,000,000 great patriots who voted for me.

Twitter may be a private company, but without the government’s gift of Section 230 they would not exist for long. I predicted this would happen and have been negotiating with various other sites, and will have a big announcement soon, while we also look at the possibilities of building out our own platform in the near future. We will not be SILENCED! Twitter is not about FREE SPEECH. They are all about promoting a Radical Left platform where some of the most vicious people in the world are allowed to speak freely. STAY TUNED

I, for one, would be happy to see big tech get the big FU on the way out.
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