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Scott

I accidentally watched one minute of the TV one breakfast show this morning. John Campbell was interviewing some woman about American politics and they were discussing how can the Americans have civics lessons so that they can understand that the 2020 election was totally fair and the idea that Donald Trump was cheated is a lie. It was taken as an absolute fact that the 2020 election was totally on the up and up and there was no way that there was anything wrong.

This is our media now. There is only one view, in this particular case that Joe Biden is a wonderful fellow and won the 2020 election fairly and Donald Trump is a horrible person and the idea that the election was stolen from him is a lie. This from the same media that claimed in 2016 that Donald Trump was a Russian agent who stole the election from Hillary Clinton!

I would say that a fair commentator, an impartial commentator, would say that there is controversy and dispute about the election result. Most Republicans believe that the election result was not fair. About half of the USA are concerned with the integrity of the 2020 election. But this is where we are now. There is only one viewpoint that can be countenanced. Journalists don’t report the news, they give the approved spin on the news.

We are quietly heading towards a left-wing Socialist Republic of Aotearoa where only left-wing news and progressive views will be heard. Even now you can’t say anything negative about homosexuality, you can’t say anything negative about Maori people, you can’t disagree with climate change, your views are censored by a puritan mob of left-wing zealots.

I would hope that at some point the New Zealand public would rise up and want to think for themselves. We would demand freedom of expression and freedom of thought. Aren’t you sick of Jacinda telling us what to do all the time? Aren’t you sick of government interfering in our lives more and more? I sure as hell am.
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January 18, 2021 8:01am
- KiwiSapper
  
  “…I would hope that at some point the New Zealand public would rise up and want to think for themselves…”
  
  As would I, but as long as the populace remain as “sheeple,”, it will not happen. Even a progression to Goats would be an improvement as goats have more intelligence than sheep.
  As for John, ” wave my hands around, chant Golly ad infinitum and are readjust my specs” Campbell, Pfft.
  I strenuously avoid such moments of meaningless and I wish you well in also avoiding them.
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:53am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    KiwiSapper – you stole all my lines and I object the use of Sheeple which I have trademarked. You need to pay me a dollar everytime you use that term.
    
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    January 18, 2021 11:05am
  - Frank the tank
    
    What else do you expect in (little) Aotearoa. Keeping the narrative is a key part of the cult you are in the midst of.
    
    I fully expect the news to begin to close with
    
    “and this is the word of the government. Praise be”
    
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    January 18, 2021 12:14pm
    - tf78
      
      How about Jacinda and co can be the Prime Minister and government of Aotearoa, then the rest of us can have New Zealand back.
      
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      January 18, 2021 1:48pm
  - curry4me
    
    KiwiSapper: Q: What is the best place for a TV set? A: TradeMe, or the recycle depot. There’s no point watching the ‘Ewes’. It’s only intended for the sheeple.
    
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    January 18, 2021 12:43pm
- JibberJabber
  
  You DARE question the Ministry of Truth?
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:54am
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    The quality of Journalism has plummeted to new depths, and the fall does not look to be abated any time soon. It is clear the MSM has been bought with multiple bailouts from the taxpayer,, and the dumbing down continues. This article qualifies as news https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2021/01/aussie-mum-uses-kmart-pie-maker-to-cook-perfect-runny-eggs-every-time.html
    Distraction seems to be the media preoccupation. Did I see anything about the RB’s quantitive easing this week ? Nope. Did I see any question about the massive increase in road closures now that everyone is back at work ? Nope. Even in the BS distraction article above, no reference or naming of an anonymous source claiming the eggs are better. Its like journo’s just scroll socially moderated woke media for news topics, and it looks like we just dont care anymore. My personal bugbear – every new piece of news has requets from media – do you know more, contact us. YOU LAZY FECKLESS ****s, you are so blatent in your disregard for your own professsion you admit you arent doing your own job, and just want to interview your keyboards…….
    
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    January 18, 2021 11:27am
    - BAM
      
      Calm down old fella, It’s called an infomercial.
      They’ve been around for a very long time.
      
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      January 18, 2021 12:30pm
    - tf78
      
      ‘Journalism’ and ‘Truth’ have long left us. Everything now is a ‘story’, well when I was a kid a story was actually a lie.
      
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      January 18, 2021 1:51pm
      - Sacha
        
        @ tf78 – and sometimes you would be told that it was a TRUE STORY (as opposed to a fairytale). And you believed it.
        Now, never, and I wouldn’t believe them if they said so.
        
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        January 18, 2021 2:39pm
- peterwn
  
  It seems to me that quite a few Republicans including Senators consider the elections to be fair so arguably on this basis only 30% or so Americans at most regard the elections as ‘unfair’. And many of the ‘unfairness’ claims are based on nit picking points such as postal ballots arriving after deadlines being counted (the delays being due to USPS rather than voters) or far fetched claims of rigged voting machines (which if upheld would be an extremely serious matter and would effectively drive the manufacturer out of business).
  One could argue that the NZ elections held last year were ‘unfair’ because of lopsided media coverage – partly because the PM got far more coverage than usual because of Covid and partly because of the political stance of most journos. Yet there has not been marches on Parliament etc.
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:56am
  - dcrane
    
    The Republican Party establishment also wishes to be rid of Trump, so “bipartisanship” in this case doesn’t necessarily mean evenhandedness.
    
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    January 18, 2021 9:19am
  - tf78
    
    Regarding our elections, why was it that all the “late votes” appeared to go to Labour and the Greens.
    
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    January 18, 2021 1:53pm
    - Batman
      
      Disorganised lefties lol
      
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      January 18, 2021 2:03pm
    - Couchpotatoe
      
      Nats are home on time to watch Coro.
      
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      January 18, 2021 9:08pm
- Philview
  
  I have read in the last week of banks pulling funding of Christian businesses in the US. These businesses sponsor churches and hence the churches are pulling their heads in very fast. This doesn’t bode well for the future for those of us who value freedom of speech.
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:02am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yep, we should also apply their tactics by boycotting TVNZ’s, Herald’s and Stuff’s advertisers until they return to REPORTING the news, not CREATING or SPINNING it.
    Our offspring deserve the truth. not someone’s version of it, especially John Campbell’s. He is a proven liar. Remember the stolen medals from the Army Museum affair?
    
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    January 18, 2021 9:52am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    During a lengthy Instagram Live stream Tuesday night, Ocasio-Cortez responded to a question about whether lawmakers had discussed “truth and reconciliation or media literacy initiatives” by saying: “there is absolutely a commission being discussed but it seems to be more investigatory in style … so I think that’s an interesting concept for us to explore.”
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:00am
    - alloytoo
      
      AOC wants neither truth nor reconciliation.
      
      These are alien concepts to her.
      
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      January 18, 2021 11:12am
  - curry4me
    
    Philview: One of the banks in Taiwan might be a goer. Anyhow, with 70 million potential customers, a new bank, and payment system would have little trouble getting off the ground outside the US.
    
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    January 18, 2021 12:46pm
- pdm
  
  Our TV does not get turned on until about 12.30 each day when mrspdm tunes into Emmerdale.
  
  The exception is Saturdays when I have control to watch trackside.
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:03am
- Fletch
  
  Yeh, I remember on the morning the of the 6th when the Trump protest was going on, I was listening to one of the Tim’s on NewsTalkZB and a radio caller started to talk about the voting machines etc, and Tim cut him off and was like, no – we’re not going to talk about that. That sort of stuff is for late night radio and we’re not going there, etc….
  
  Our media take their cues from the Leftist media in the U.S – that includes the ZB American correspondent Richard Arnold. It would be nice to have someone report the news who wasn’t biased or someone who wasn’t so cynical.
  
  We desperately need a station here like Sky News Australia.
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:34am
  - pdm
    
    `…………. a radio caller started to talk about the voting machines etc, and Tim cut him off and was like, no – we’re not going to talk about that. That sort of stuff is for late night radio and we’re not going…………….’
    
    If it was Tim Roxborgh I am not surprised – he is a rabid lefty.
    If it was Tim Beveridge or Tim Dower then it does surprise me.
    If it was Tim Wilson it would not have happened.
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:34am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Is Richard Arnold a descendant of Benedict Arnold? Talks like one…
    
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    January 18, 2021 7:51pm
- Jack5
  
  American politics allows New Zealand’s State TV and State Radio to let their Leftist bias gallop, rein free.
  
  Watch coverage of present Washington politics on the Middle East owned Al Jazeera and you find it’s closer to the centre in its views than TVNZ and Radio NZ are.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:02am
  - Ruahine
    
    RT is remarkably informative with regard to the US and reporting of events. Just do not believe much that they report concerning Russia or China.
    
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    January 18, 2021 11:00am
- Monique Watson
  
  Those conspiracy theory series are awfully popular on Netflix.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:02am
- Surely Knott
  
  This is a really informed and well argued video on the history, and the academic theories underpinning where we appear to be going. https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/video-a-new-leninism-is-gripping-america-james-lindsay_3659590.html
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:29am
- Than
  
  Oh joy, the sad conspiracy-theory whinging about the US election being stolen and MSM bias is starting early today.
  
  Go ahead, keep spouting the same debunked bullshit Scott. Repeat the same crap ten thousand and one times and maybe people will buy it. Probably not (because most people live in the real world), but you never know.
  
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  January 18, 2021 11:55am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Thirty percent of Americans are buying, and a not insignificant proportion of the rubes will keep donating to Trump.
    Latest laugh is reports that the daughter-wife is considering running against Rubio for the Florida senate seat in 2022. Please let this be true.
    
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    January 18, 2021 1:01pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Daughter-wife is an obscene slander, disgusting even by your low standards. (I wonder if the mods would allow similar commentary on Kamala Harris and her efforts at self-promotion?) Actually I do not wonder, of course they do not. TDS lives on here.
      
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      January 18, 2021 7:53pm
      - Batman
        
        Sensitive much?
        
        It is well documented that, out of the man himself, that he would date her if he wasn’t related.
        
        He’s a creep when it comes to her. If only he gave Eric some of that attention.
        
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        January 18, 2021 8:21pm
- Bloody Dago
  
  Any mob out there going to track down the Poison Dwarf, get him to bend the knee to 50 odd percent of the NZ population who didn’t vote for him or the hapless stupid one….Never going to happen with dribbling idiots like Johnboy & HilsB inhabiting MSM
  
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  January 18, 2021 3:59pm
- IC5000
  
  Last days of the swamp
  
  https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/meet-trump-s-pardon-brokers-lobbyists-asking-for-up-to-2m-from-felons-20210118-p56uu6.html
  
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  January 18, 2021 5:06pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Anyone else you forgot to blame Scott? Steinbeck was right about when heroes fall, and being a groupie clearly has a downside as you so well demonstrate.
  
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  January 18, 2021 5:25pm
Andrei

Question of the day

If Joe Biden is the most popular President in American history with over 80,000,000 Americans voting for him why has Washington DC been turned into a fortess guarded by 25, 000 troops for his inaugeration?
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January 18, 2021 8:02am
- Simon
  
  Biden’s election victory is as hollow as his head. Everyone knows it.
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:45am
  - Mrs_Right
    
    “Victory”.
    
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    January 18, 2021 9:52am
- kowtow
  
  Why is it OK to have Feds and troops in Washington for Biden but it wasn’t for Trump a few months ago.
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:50am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Easy. Because the former is aimed at people who are seen as a threat to the regime, whereas the latter actors were components of that very regime. We can conclude that “we the people” are viewed as the enemy, whereas as BLM and Antifa are “friendly” agents of change, whose enemy on the ground is the very same “we the people.” The US State apparatus is largely hostile to all of its own citizens, but particularly those who reject the liberal consensus.
    
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    January 18, 2021 9:22am
- SGA
  
  If Joe Biden is the most popular President in American history with over 80,000,000 Americans voting for him
  
  Most “popular” in history – not necessarily. It’s more likely that a very divisive President (i.e., Trump) was a catalyst for a large voter turnout, the majority of which voted for Biden. I think that’s how many people would assess the situation.
  
  why has Washington DC been turned into a fortess guarded by 25, 000 troops for his inaugeration?
  
  Because a very divisive President has actively fomented discontent and distrust among his acolytes, and this has already led to an unprecedented attack on the very institutions and processes that the President is supposed to honour and protect. I am surprised you missed this in the news.
  
  Does that help?
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:56am
  - NoCash
    
    Indeed, Trump supporters still refuse to accept that Trump is the very reason why Biden had so many votes. Case in point, a colleague of mine is from the US and has been living in NZ for over a decade. He didn’t bother to vote in 2016 as he didn’t like Clinton nor Trump. However, after 4 years of Trump, last year he took the effort to register to vote Trump out. For many Americans, the 2020 election was about ABT.
    
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    January 18, 2021 9:25am
  - oldfella
    
    So, SGA, Trump has been divisive? Not like those lovely lefties who tried to bring down his presidency from day one. Remember these ‘mostly peaceful’ guys and gals?
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    As the FBI continues to arrest dozens of people allegedly involved in the Capitol Building riot earlier this month ahead of President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration, it was just four years ago when similar rioting took place throughout Washington, D.C., as newly-inaugurated President Donald Trump began his term.
    Only then, instead of right-wing protesters, it was a riot dominated by supporters of anarchist groups like Antifa and left-wing organizations including Black Lives Matter.
    Video footage that was taken the morning of Trump’s inaugural shows black-clad mobs occupying streets, smashing storefront windows, attacking police officers, overturning trash cans, and generally causing mayhem in protest of what they perceived as a stolen election.
    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/01/15/hundreds-of-rioters-destroyed-property-set-fires-during-trumps-2017-inauguration-and-all-charges-were-dropped-1016798/
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:35am
    - Batman
      
      Dominated?
      
      The raw numbers of arrested people who are true Trumpers tells me that bizpacreview are telling you what you want to believe rather than what is true…
      
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      January 18, 2021 10:37am
      - oldfella
        
        So, Batman, the bizacreview story is wrong? Those anti-trump riots never happened? And all those violent rioters didn’t get a pass from the legal system?
        
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        January 18, 2021 10:42am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Little kids often blame another kid if they do something wrong oldfella. You’ve been doing that since your last prediction sunk.
      
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      January 18, 2021 5:30pm
  - Positan
    
    SGA, you present yourself as yet another deliberately uninformed hack who’s determined to see only one side of the issue and happily dismiss/ignore all that does not resultantly follow that line. For example, all that Trump has had to face from the moment of his election:
    1. Being the first president whose predecessor Obama (along with other dubious Dems like the Clintons) actively worked to undermine him constantly from the start.
    2. The phony Russia election-involvement document by ex-British spy, Christopher Steele, now publicly known to have been set up by Hillary Clinton to divert attention from her appallingly insecure e-mail setup – the touted document known to be completely and utterly false by FBI, but nevertheless pursued as if credibile for Trump’s first two years.
    3. The “special investigator” Mueller who also had been completely aware that the Russia claims were manufactured and totally false, but kept the focus of media hell-bent on undermining Trump, on his completely unjustifiable, highly paid “investigation” for two years.
    4. The 2020 election’s many, many, many instances of questionable and demonstrable improprieties that have all been effectively smothered by judges putting party allegiance before what’s expected of them.
    5. The number of constitutional abuses aimed at hitting Trump by Democrats in Congress, especially by Pelosi and Schumer.
    
    If you still believe Trump’s intent was to orchestrate the attack on the Capitol, you really should seek to be informed by news sources than CNN, NewsTalkZB Radio NZ or TVNZ. None of them rendered anything like the truth or the actuality of what has occurred. Among other news sources it’s now recognised that the protest was hi-jacked by BLM and Antifa types – their underground commentaries as to their proposed actions were intercepted by Capitol police who asked SIX times for the National Guard to be involved, but were denied. The reason? The Democrats wanted the attack to proceed, so they could blame Trump.
    
    Many of us would be grateful if such as you would endeavour to seek a more balanced perspective than swallowing unquestioningly the rubbish inflicted by NZ media.
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:59am
    - SGA
      
      SGA, you present yourself as yet another deliberately uninformed hack who’s determined to see only one side of the issue and happily dismiss/ignore all that does not resultantly follow that line
      
      Actually, I think that all but the most ardent Trump supporter would think that I gave Andrei’s question an reasonable, serious answer (unlike your little tantrum).
      
      4. The 2020 election’s many, many, many instances of questionable and demonstrable improprieties that have all been effectively smothered by judges putting party allegiance before what’s expected of them.
      
      This is so demonstrably wrong that you must be a die-hard Trump fan. Not only were some of the Judges from a Republican background, some had been appointed by Trump himself.
      
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      January 18, 2021 11:48am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        All of his points were wrong, not just No. 4.
        
        [Mod. Note: Why don’t you rebut them logically then, instead of your usual smug trolling one-liner?]
        
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        January 18, 2021 1:02pm
      - Positan
        
        Believe what you WANT to believe – that’s YOUR problem. As you read my submission as a tantrum, you show you’re way beyond help.
        
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        January 18, 2021 1:41pm
      - SGA
        
        Number 4 was the easiest (I’m busy) – it is just so wrong and has come up here before a number of times. I don’t think even Fletch would make such a silly claim.
        
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        January 18, 2021 2:04pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Hi SGA
        I think you underestimate Fletch there.
        And while that moderator might have appreciated a point-by-point rebuttal, I’m not sure even i have the time to respond to all of Fletch’s tired talking points.
        
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        January 18, 2021 3:38pm
- Littletramp
  
  The troops narrative is simply a cover story for why no one will turn up to watch a fraud celebrated. The public are not stupid.
  The massive anti trump blast from the media is to ensure no other hopeful runs for president who is not a politician.
  It’s obvious but they don’t care. Facts are no longer relevant.
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:13am
  - Lance
    
    “Facts are no longer relevant.”
    You mean like the Don’s alternative facts like the crowd to watch his inauguration was the biggest in history?
    Snigger
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:16am
    - Littletramp
      
      Lance – The crowd watching the inaugeration was the biggest in history. He was referring to online and TV viewers.
      We don’t all have to be fooled by the b/s from the media narratives.
      
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      January 18, 2021 10:47am
      - Couchpotatoe
        
        Trump was referring to the Crowd only.
        
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        January 18, 2021 9:17pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Hardly in the standing of the the “Russia collusion delusion”
      4 yrs of a bogus investigation, founded on an illegal FISA warrant, created from a phony dossier, created and financed by the Dems to SPY on an election campaign.
      To conclude that none of it was true and it just faded into the oblivion of MSM memory.
      Like every other accusation made against him
      Sexual harassment accusations by 11 women, that went away after he threatened to sue them.
      Ukraine corruption
      impeachment…no crimes found
      etc
      
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      January 18, 2021 11:04am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        None of the sexual misconduct allegations have gone away, and Trump has not sued any of his accusers.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
        
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        January 18, 2021 1:04pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Mike Mike Mike
        Sexual harassment accusations by 11 women, that went away after he threatened to sue them.
        ….THREATENED to sue them.
        At his Gettysburg speech.
        ALL of them went suddenly SILENT and have not been heard from since.
        Especially when people started to question the “facts” they presented.
        Trump NOT being, at any time, in the particular section of the plane (one accusation) …eye witness’. and the fact that the arm rests in that part of the plane don’t move.
        and that was just one of the accusations, the rest had similar inconsistencies.
        
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        January 18, 2021 4:58pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Biden is being inaugurated during a pandemic. In 2018 the CDC lists among its leading causes of death “Influenza and pneumonia: 59,120”. It is currently showing total deaths for COVID as 394,495.
    
    It is likely that fewer people are planning to attend this inauguration compared with earlier ones. The public, as you note, are not stupid.
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:48am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Nice try.
      
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      January 18, 2021 11:41am
- dcrane
  
  Performative gaslighting, probably. That’s most of what Washington does publicly anyway.
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:20am
- Couchpotatoe
  
  The thuggery of armed and deranged Trump supporters know no bounds, certainly no constitutional bounds. So sad …tremendously sad… remember the GOP are the party of law and order. Fake News.
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:32am
  - Nukuleka
    
    There ought to be a ban on KB posters who don’t even know how to spell their own profile names.
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:22am
    - marcw
      
      I agree completely, and we should start with Nuclear? 🙂
      
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      January 18, 2021 1:34pm
    - Couchpotatoe
      
      Uptick from me as I like a poster who does take themselves too seriously.
      
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      January 18, 2021 9:19pm
- Fletch
  
  And remember when the courthouse in Portland was under attack by BLM and/or Antifa for 100 days and Trump sent troops in and Nancy Pelosi called them “stormtroopers”. These people have a gift for speaking different things out of both sides of their mouth.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:16am
  - Batman
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    You mean the one block where there are a bunch of federal buildings including the court house so the silly kids from the suburbs did their thing there because they didn’t want to damage local businesses and buildings? Wow, so unruly and out of control!
    
    And you mean the unmarked and unnamed federal officers drawn from various unnamed agencies who snatched people off the street without formal arrest procedures before holding them without cause and releasing them some time later?
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:29am
    - Fletch
      
      Looked more like a war zone.
      
      https://nypost.com/2020/07/22/portland-protesters-barricade-courthouse-with-federal-officers-inside/
      
      https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/09/100-days-of-protests-in-portland.html
      
      Nancy’s “stormtroopers”
      
      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/pelosi-stormtroopers-535×600.jpg
      
      Oh, but they aren’t stormtroopers now.
      
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      January 18, 2021 10:52am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Because 6 January happened. Only a fool wouldn’t take special security precautions after that.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:22am
  - dcrane
    
    The same fools who didn’t protect the place on the 6th?
    
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    January 18, 2021 11:01am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and of all the other cities who’s centres were occupied and burned, the police targeted and shot.
    Trumps inauguration and the violence there.
    The attacks on Trump supporters going to rallies
    etc etc
    It’s OK when the left do it?
    
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    January 18, 2021 11:10am
- Jimmy White
  
  It will be interesting when the US census results come out next month. (Usually released in early January but this time they got lost in the swamp).
  We will see that more people voted than lived in some electoral Districts and by a large margin.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  40,000 were dead, and the other 40,000 don’t have guns. You expect 40,000 to buy guns when Joe can call in 25,000 with guns?????????
  This is the way Democrats work – use other people’s money. Just like in NZ
  
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  January 18, 2021 6:43pm
  - Couchpotatoe
    
    Contributed to Trumps fighting yet? There still is time you just got to have faith.
    
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    January 18, 2021 9:22pm
SB2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Only two more sleeps for America’s tryst with destiny.

MATGA!

Make America Truly Great Again
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January 18, 2021 8:05am
- Inandout
  
  SB2, one reason why you should go back to sleep. You would accept Kim as a US leader over having Trump, such is your hatred of the man.
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:45am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Most of America is done with Trump. Do you really think your tiny country has an understanding of how America functions?
    
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    January 18, 2021 9:53am
    - Crisplion
      
      ‘Do you really think your tiny country has an understanding of how America functions?’
      
      I would question whether American democratic institutions function at all at present; they seem to be in a state of moribund disarray. But of course, I’m just a yokel from an unsophisticated “tiny country”, so what would I know? Even so, at least this “tiny country” has tidy transitions of power in the manner of a proper democracy – something that’s been conspicuously lacking in the US following the last couple of elections. To be sure, New Zealand has its own problems but at least we’re not in the habit of burning and looting our own cities in the name of ‘anti-racism’, or of invading our parliament buildings when an election doesn’t go the way some of us would like.
      
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      January 18, 2021 12:38pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Kim Kardashian? Of that North Korean dictator Trump ‘fell in love’ with?
    
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    January 18, 2021 9:55am
    - oldfella
      
      Could be Kim Dotcom? Or Kim Baya?
      
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      January 18, 2021 10:38am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      YUP, now that Trump is gone I’m waiting for the first missile from North Korea, into the sea of Japan
      Further Russian incursion around Crimea
      More Iranian supply of Terrorists (especially after Biden stops the ban from those countries)
      The first Iranian nuke
      Iraq and Afghanistan in flames again.
      More US troop deployments with less equipment.
      etc etc
      
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      January 18, 2021 11:16am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m waiting for the first missile from North Korea, into the sea of Japan
        
        Wait no more! North Korea has fired at least a dozen missiles into the sea of Japan since 2017.
        
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        January 18, 2021 11:48am
      - Batman
        
        And just unveiled a new submarine launched missile.
        
        Trump’s personal relationship has clearly worked very well (for Kim).
        
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        January 18, 2021 12:20pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Mikie Mikie Mikie
        Please….
        2017 16 missile tests
        2018 March Singapore meeting between Kim and Trump
        2018 ZERO missile tests
        2019 10 missile tests
        2019 Hanoi meeting between Trump and Kim
        2020 1 (ONE) missile test
        So to be genuine
        in 2017…..16 BEFORE the first meeting in ONE year
        then 11 in the 3 (THREE) yrs following that meeting.
        I checked because I thought it was strange that you included the year BEFORE they met.
        
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        January 18, 2021 5:10pm
- kowtow
  
  Make A Troll Go Away
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:48am
- JibberJabber
  
  Fail troll??
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:49am
Benedict Yu

I see that Stuff is campaigning to get people to use the COVID tracer app.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/123939979/covid19-tracer-app-usage-falls-to-a-fifth-of-alltime-high

Good luck with that. About 90 percent of people have showed they don’t want to use it. This was predicted by critics right at the start of its development but the government ignored them and pressed on. Unless it is made a condition of entry to premises nothing will change.
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January 18, 2021 8:05am
- Flossie
  
  I have deleted the covid app because of the continuous “checking”…running literally hours at a time. Worried me it was using up battery, nevermind data. Can anybody tell me what that’s all about? I freely admit to being technologically challenged.
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:48am
  - sooty
    
    $tuffed are just campaigning for another handout!
    
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    January 18, 2021 9:04am
- Simon
  
  “I see that Stuff is campaigning to get people to use the COVID tracer app.”
  
  Must be a big MofH ad campaign in the wind. Big dollars to come Stuff’s way.
  
  Dont link to garbage by the way.
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:01am
- Caine9
  
  Of course they’re ignoring it.
  They ignore anyone who doesn’t agree with them, and their fawning media friends ensure those voices aren’t heard.
  Neat little double act there.
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:19am
- Ruahine
  
  Stuff is a taxpayer funded propaganda arm of the Labour Party and Gov’t. This is the next thing we are going to be bullied into having to do for no good reason.
  
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  January 18, 2021 11:05am
  - curry4me
    
    Ruahine: It’s the South Island branch. The Herald is the North Island branch.
    
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    January 18, 2021 12:54pm
Jack5

Any fellow blog followers know of, or have views on, a partnership between Powerco and a company called Emrod to transmit electricity in New Zealand by microwave rather than by wires?

The American magazine Popular Mechanics has an article on this in its January-February issue.

It quotes Emrod’s founder, Greg Kushnir, as saying electrifying antennas, which he says are also known as “rectennas”, were well suited for use in New Zealand’s mountainous terrain.

The magazine says Emrod plans to deploy the prototype wireless energy infrastructure across a 130-foot expanse.

Presumably we can take it 130ft would be the distance between rectennas.

If this transmission of grid electricity really is feasible, questions we lay folk might ask include:

— If there have to be towers with transmitters and receivers, what is the cost advantage?

— Would it really be possible to wireless transmit electricity across Foveaux Strait and even Cook Strait?

Given the former resistance to cellphone towers and the present conspiracy theories about 5G, would the public go along with this type of transmission? Wireless recharge of the home’s cellphones is on very different scale.

Popular Mechanics says Emrod will keep the electricity beam tightly focused by:

–“Small radio elements and single wave patterns create a collimated beam, which means the rays are aligned in parallel.”

– Using “engineered metamaterials with tiny patterns that effectively interact with those radio waves.”

The magazine says that if all goes well with the New Zealand pilot programme in early 2021, “wireless energy could quite literally be on the horizon in the U.S., too.” It adds that Kushnir has enough “corporate buy-in” to take the next regulatory steps.

Emrod is registered as a company in NZ with two owners – Zvi Kushner, of Auckland, and Peregrine Pacific Ltd, which is owned by Zvi Kushner, Osnat Kushner, and a trustee services company.

Australian-owned Powerco distributes electricity and gas in the North Island. It’s New Zealand’s biggest power lines company and the second biggest gas distributor.

Emrod web site:
https://emrod.energy/

This web site says Powerco is providing funds for a test. It also says Emrod is looking whether it could beam electricity across Foveaux Strait to Stewart Island:

https://singularityhub.com/2020/08/30/new-zealand-is-about-to-test-long-range-wireless-power-transmission/
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January 18, 2021 8:06am
- Littletramp
  
  Any suggestions as to where they should shove their “rectennas”?
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:15am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And you don’t even want to think of what an optical rectenna views.
    https://www.energymatters.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/optical-rectenna-solar.jpg
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:38am
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, that technology would use more power than it could transmit and that’s just for 130ft.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:04am
- marcw
  
  Won’t anyone think of the birds? First the wind mincers, now new power death rays.
  
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  January 18, 2021 11:02am
Greg Ettridge

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9156929/Victoria-abandons-enforcing-19-000-fines-breaching-coronavirus-rules.html

So we are now starting to see what happens when you strip peoples basic human rights and turn your police force into preying on innocent citizens with draconian laws.
All this mayhem, it was quite obvious that police in Victoria were out of control, acting under the belief that the State of emergency and state of disaster could give them free reign.
I have said all along most of these fines have been illegal.
Last week we had a NSW policeman apologize for over stepping the mark, he could well be charged over this matter, he held this woman against her will and demanded ID which she does not have to carry or produce when walking about minding her own business.
Victoria still lives under a state of emergency, I wonder what will happen to fines arising from this over the next year.
Governing by fear and intimidation only works for so long
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January 18, 2021 8:10am
- G152
  
  They’re using the fears they’ve been filling fake news with to keep us quiet.
  Totally illegal but they’re telling the story.
  Remember Polio?
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:21am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Governing by fear and intimidation only works for so long’
  
  That’s how they plan to get “compliance” with the vax . You’ll see.
  
  I see stuffed is now taking a lead with the QR thingy , none of their business , but then they’re basically owned by the gubmint , innit.
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:27am
Happychappy

Will Maori control the courts by the time people decide to vote Labour out.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/123723401/vision-of-a-new-district-court-where-everyones-words-are-heard
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January 18, 2021 8:11am
- KiwiSapper
  
  To misquote the probable apocryphal question.
  “”Will no one rid me of this turbulent Judge?”
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:08am
- oldfella
  
  “While it is not a radical approach, it incorporates a Māori world view, he says, and is a much more fully rounded approach.”
  I suspect it will end up as all-things-Maori dominating our justice system.
  How about we try and keep it as justice for all.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:52am
Maggie Pie

Now that things have reached the stage they have with President Trump, I’ve decided to cut back on my US political posts for a bit.
Instead, thort I might just share some word scrambles….

KUCF IDEBN
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January 18, 2021 8:15am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Too hard for me Maggie, all I got was MAGA with the spare letters making up Trump Trump Trump!
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:29am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Fuckin deb?
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  C. Nuked FBI ?
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:41am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Knifed cub?
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:00am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Bucked fin?
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:01am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Feckin dub?
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:01am
cmm

I see $1uff-but-1-want-90-cents-change has Siouxsie Wiles providing an opinion piece trying to draw parallels between TB and CV19.

Hmmm.

TB is caused by a pretty stable bacterium and there are now drug resistant strains that have emerged through poor treatment protocols (eg. Mainly from finishing courses). While there are strains, they do not emerge as fast as with coronaviruses.

The virus behind CV19 is very different. It is a coronavirus and they kick off strains all the time. This leads to two very different outcomes:
1) Preventative TB vaccinations work (generally). Line all the kids up. Give them one vaccination. Once. Job done. I got a TB vax when I was a kid – just as I got a smallpox vax etc. They don’t always work 100%, but for most people that’s a lifetime immunity.
No such luck with coronaviruses and similar. Why do people have to get a flu jab every year? Why is there no jab for the common cold?

2) The long treatment protocols for TB – when coupled with poor healthcare – causes the main problems. My sister is a nurse in Africa and getting people to come back to the clinic (or getting the clinic to the people) is near impossible. Hence TB success rates are low. Same for HIV (my sister’s specialty area). Same for treating just about everything.

This is very different to preventative vaccination which requires one jab (but does not work for all strains).
Again a CV19 vax program is very different. Two jabs – not 6 months. Sure it is hard to get people to return for the second jab, but not nearly as hard as managing a 6 month TB treatment.
Again a CV19 vax program is very different because it is only good for a year or so.

But there is a factor that she does not raise (though is raised by the ENCA video that is on the page): the CV19 shutdowns and focus in South Africa have lead to unknown numbers of people not getting their HIV and TB treatments and dying in the process.

Beware the unintended consequences – the CV19 shutdowns – purportedly for medical reasons – have massive negative medical consequences.

Of course in places like Africa where access to healthcare is already problematic, adding a layer of CV19 shutdowns makes it a lot worse. It is not just TB and HIV. People with all sorts of conditions have stayed away from hospitals and clinics (or the clinics have not been running). This will have caused issues, and increased deaths, in every medical field from cancer to childbirth.

Even in NZ we’ve seen problems – not as bad as Africa though – where shutting down hospitals has caused health impacts for a wide spectrum of patients.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/123950510/tuberculosis-has-vaccine-lessons-for-covid
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January 18, 2021 8:16am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Again a CV19 vax program is very different because it is only good for a year or so.”
  
  You have no way of knowing that. Nobody will know until more data is collected over the next couple of years.
  
  In the UK the good news is that few people who have had covid are becoming reinfected. Whether immunity lasts 12 months or 5 years or a lifetime… No way to know that yet.
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:31am
  - cmm
    
    Sure we do not know 100% yet, but it is a very reasonable expectation.
    
    We have huge experience with coronaviruses (eg. like the common cold) and we have already seen the emergence of multiple distinct and viable strains. Therefore this is a very likely outcome.
    
    It would be very surprising if CV19 ends up being like smallpox where one vaccine works for many different *pox viruses (eg. smallpox, monkeypox, cowpox). Indeed the smallpox vaccine is not based on smallpox itself.
    
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    January 18, 2021 12:29pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes, pink hair had an opinion piece in the Horrid last week. And “Chippie” Hipkins had a 10 minute fluff interview on RNZ at 7.15 this morning. Chippie tried to tell us all 5mill NZ residents will have been able to get 1 of 3 China flu vaccines by the end of the year.
  
  I detect that authorities and their puppet spokespeople are getting nervous, that some of us are not going to take an over priced vaccine that may already being shown to be as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike.
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:49am
- MCos
  
  Our hospitals were never shut down.
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:49am
  - sooty
    
    That’s right. They sent all the patients home when well and did not admit any more!
    But they did not shutdown.
    
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    January 18, 2021 9:09am
    - MCos
      
      That’s not correct, either.
      
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      January 18, 2021 11:02am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        I was working, and it is correct.
        
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        January 18, 2021 7:58pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Had cause to go to one for my wifes respiratory appointment.
    If they weren’t shut, they did a damn good imitation.
    Security guards and orderlies…and a few office staff.
    Apart from the specialist we saw.
    The disgusting thing was the cancelling of all community visits by nurses (not their fault, they were ORDERED not to go) to the MOST vulnerable.
    
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    January 18, 2021 11:21am
  - cmm
    
    Not 100% shutdown, but many departments were shut down meaning the hospital was no longer providing normal functions.
    
    Outpatients clinics were shutdown and treatments were defered for many people.
    
    I know because this happened to me. I had two cardiac appointments cancelled and important tests were cancelled. They rescheduled these 4 months later.
    
    For many people this caused irreversible negative consequences. For example some people had cancer checks cancelled and the cancer got well established. Bummer.
    
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    January 18, 2021 12:33pm
- Simon
  
  “Equitable access to vaccine.” She is a clown. Cov19 kills 60 years plus. They should get “access” first.
  
  Apart from anything else Cov19 & TB kill different people. So the vaccine planning has to be different
  
  Under 60 anyone who works at border, or works with very elderly should get it. Everyone else can wait until everyone over 60 has got vaccine.
  
  Herd immunity will work for cov19 anyway.
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:59am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You bastard!!!! I’m 60 and by your calculations I won’t get it at all. Everyone younger than me will, and everyone older as well, but not me!
    
    #JusticeForTheSexagenarians
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:12am
  - backster
    
    Why not give it first to everyone that gets on a plane from overseas then we won’t need to give it to anyone here.Then we could resume international tourism and foreign education
    
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    January 18, 2021 11:20am
    - Sacha
      
      I would have probably co-operated more with the dog-tag Blue-tooth idea. It would have stayed in the car to be worn when I went out to do my weekly shopping.
      I have a phone, but no mobile coverage, so it usually sits on my desk with a flat battery. If I leave it in the car, the battery goes flat anyway and the fairly short drive in to town doesn’t allow time for re-charging in the car.
      And I won’t use a pen that others have used.
      Anyway, given my age, I’ll take my chances.
      
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      January 18, 2021 3:04pm
      - Batman
        
        Take your own pen?
        
        It’s not about you, it’s about the old lady or the pregnant woman who may be a contact of yours if there was spread and you happened to have it or be a carrier.
        
        I’m not trying to cause a fuss but your comment comes across as incredibly self-centered.
        
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        January 18, 2021 3:22pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Wake up the so-called new British strain is hitting younger people seriously showing another failure of the herder’s fallacy.
    That joins Baker pointing out that the hard lockdowns have given better economic outcomes than the partial attempts. NZ rates among the best economic recoveries at this point.
    Meanwhile, the Don’s maybe 1, maybe not has reached 400,000.
    
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    January 18, 2021 5:57pm
- SB2
  
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  cmm, you finally appear to have accepted Covid 19 as a given fact and reality and not for example a manmade “Chynna” virus?
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Perhaps you need to go back to General Debates in January, February and March 2020, SB2.
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/02/general_debate_18_february_2020.html#comment-2645059
    
    You will discover that cmm was well informed about the presence and spread of Covid-19.
    
    It was YOU that was peddling false information about the virus on this blog and smearing those of us who were concerned about our Government’s slow response.
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:50am
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      December 18, 2020 12:43pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Moderators,
        I suggest you look very carefully at this false and defamatory assertion SB2 has made against me.
        
        I have made no secret of the fact that I do volunteer work in the community where information about covid-19 from Government agencies is the focus.
        
        This poster has repeatedly used Kiwiblog as a platform to defame me…calling me a racist, an alt-right member and even a Trump supporter.
        
        Why the heck do you allow his lies against me to be published on this site?
        
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        January 18, 2021 1:10pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Think it’s time you got the Trump Twitter Treatment.
        
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        January 19, 2021 11:46pm
  - cmm
    
    Stephie again you confirm your idiocy.
    
    I have never said that CV19 does not exist. I have said that many times and responded to this stupid allegation by yourself many times too.
    
    What I have always said, and keep saying, is that the response has been disproportionate. CV19 is about 300x less severe than the Spanish Flu (depending on how you measure it).
    
    As for being manmade, I don’t believe that either. Selectively bred in a lab – maybe, but I do not believe it was synthesized from scratch.
    
    CV19 exists that is a FACT. What is not a FACT is all the bullshit that has been placed around it by people who should know better. Bullshit like:
    1) There’s something fundamentally different about CV19. No not really, it spreads in similar ways to many other viruses.
    2) Masks work? Or maybe they don’t, or maybe they do again… hard to keep up with WHO/CDC’s current line of bullshit.
    
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    January 18, 2021 12:43pm
- DRHILL
  
  Why aren’t they doing 24 hours a day vaccinations for Covid (instead of 8am to 5pm?)
  I’ve seem pictures from the UK and USA waiting for the jabs – the lines go round the block.
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:21am
  - Sacha
    
    What a great idea – stand in a line around the block in the winter cold, exposed to the coughing and sneezing of who knows who, spraying who knows what into your breathing zone.
    I’d rather stay home.
    
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    January 18, 2021 3:14pm
  - Liberty
    
    What did your last slave die off.
    
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    January 18, 2021 3:32pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    I have mentioned this before
    When, as kid, I got my measles inoculation, in the 60’s, they just lined up the whole school and just like the world darts champs…….Jab jab jab…….the whole school of about 300 done in a morning.
    
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    January 18, 2021 5:16pm
New Zealander

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/123723401/vision-of-a-new-district-court-where-everyones-words-are-heard

This is exactly where New Zealand is heading. Trying to create some kind of Scandinavian justice system when we have a majority population of criminals who are Polynesian.

It doesn’t work.

Next we will be paying for a cooked lunch for the offender’s family and friends throughout their “court experience.”
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January 18, 2021 8:25am
- Philview
  
  Last week in NZ a 19 year old was let out of prison after serving 3 months of a 2 sentence over fears he would join a gang. He was inside for a savage assault on a woman including breaking her jaw. The woman had a restraining order prior to the attack. I can imagine how fearful she will be now.
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I can also see that victims will be very afraid to provide detailed victim reports of the injuries/abuses they have endured when their abuser is back in their community within a few days/weeks/months.
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:57am
artemisia

So a Texas woman may end up in court for alleged voter fraud. Or maybe not if reasons can be found for a case not to proceed. If it does get to court, with a serious maximum jail sentence, or there is a deal, there will be evidence presented and examined. Has to be a good thing.
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January 18, 2021 8:31am
- alloytoo
  
  The Texas AG seemed quite inclined to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:57am
- SB2
  
  I’m not sure waht will happen to this Texan Police Captain when he tried to run someone off the road to prove voter fraud,
  
  https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/15/steven-hotze-texas-election-fraud-Houston-police-arrested/
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:21am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    As usual your story is complete BS. The subject of the story is not a “Texan Police Captain” and hasn’t been for almost 20 years.
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:18am
- Andrei
  
  Texas is a properly run State, where law and order are taken seriously
  
  Which is why the election was run properly there and BLM and Antfa are not burning cities down
  
  Homelessness in Texas is the lowest in the Union, it is actually highest in California, Nancy Pelosi’s congressional district has the highest number of homeless of and district in the USA.
  
  Texas should have never joined the union
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:43am
  - Inandout
    
    Andrei, Pelosi lives in one of the swankiest districts in SanFran, well away from the homeless in the CBD. Imagine her trying to shop downtown without her secret service detail?
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:21am
    - Batman
      
      Imagine Trump shopping downtown anywhere without a security detail?
      
      Actually, imagine Trump doing laundry by himself ? we know that ain’t happening.
      
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      January 18, 2021 10:25am
      - artemisia
        
        Hey hanging out and folding washing is very satisfying. Particularly when you take the job off the staff and do it for therapeutic reasons.
        
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        January 18, 2021 10:35am
      - Batman
        
        I don’t disagree about folding the washing. Great with a cuppa and a good doco on telly…
        
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        January 18, 2021 10:38am
    - Andrei
      
      I didn’t say where she lived in her luxuary home with her $5000 fridge filled with designer ice cream
      
      I said her Congresssional District, California’s 12th congressional district.
      
      It is a feature of third world shitholes that the super rich live surrounded by the desperately poor
      
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      January 18, 2021 11:07am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Sure, San Francisco is such a hellhole compared with Krasnoyarsk or Omsk…
        
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        January 18, 2021 1:22pm
  - artemisia
    
    Oracle, Tesla and HP have all begun to move to Texas.
    
    On the plus side California as a sanctuary state will have plenty of gardeners, maids and fruit pickers. They might even pay tax there.
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:32am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Knowledge companies relocating to Texas will just accelerate its switch from red state to blue state.
      
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      January 18, 2021 10:53am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Never mess with Texas
    1. They do remember the Alamo
    2. They do have guns.
    3. Unlike others they know how to use their guns and practice.
    
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    January 18, 2021 11:33am
    - SB2
      
      cmm,
      
      1 Yes very similar to seasonal flu and variants but a lot more contagious.
      
      2 Yes mask do work but by themselves will not stop Covid’s spread. Only in conjunction with other measures like hand washing and other hygiene measures not forgetting social distancing
      
      That s the message that is been rammed home that you appear to ignore.
      
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      January 18, 2021 12:50pm
kowtow

Instead of vaxxing the whole world , wouldn’t it be easier to get that small minority of people who do , to stop eating weird stuff ?
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January 18, 2021 8:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Too late,
  the virus is just as happy replicating in Human cells as it was in the cells of bats and pangolins and minks (and probably a host of other mammals no-one has bothered to check-out).
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:10am
- MCos
  
  The reason why some people eat food that others consider ‘weird’ is because of cost.
  Field rats are free & as I accidentally found out don’t taste too bad.
  BTW
  I was in a supermarket queue in Thailand once and a woman looked at a bag of muesli in our cart and asked my wife if it was pig food.
  
  There used to be a restaurant in Wellington that was done for using pet food in their tacos.
  
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  January 18, 2021 11:20am
RW Capitalist

Under the guise of “protecting Democracy” (which they see as themselves).
They have turned the US into a police state, where it is policed by the army.
Don’t believe me?
Check the photos, barricades, barbed wire, no go zones and boarded up buildings.
No such protect in 2016, when there really was violence.
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January 18, 2021 8:33am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  It’s a well over-used meme now, but “War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery and Love is Hate” etc. sums up the narrative we are expected to believe re: events since November 3rd. For instance, an organic mass protest and disruption at the Capitol in response to a venal globalist regime that has flagrantly and arrogantly installed an illegitimate executive while giving everyone the middle finger is now an “attack on Democracy”. In a modification to Bismark’s famous quote, “never believe anything until the Establishment have accused their opponents of the same.”
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:39am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You don’t recall any recent violence in Washington DC?
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:04am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and where were they during BLM riots?
    
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    January 18, 2021 11:40am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I really don’t get that particular piece of whataboutism.
      
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      January 18, 2021 1:23pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  FYI
  https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/violent-anti-trump-protests-try-to-steal-spotlight-on-inauguration-day-859451971661
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:05am
- Fletch
  
  Yep, it looks like a totalitarian Communist country.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:21am
hullkiwi

Travelling to work by bus gives you a chance to look at the world as you go by…..

For those of you who listen to commercial radio stations, some of you will no doubt have heard NZ Police adverts telling us they are keeping us safe by looking out for spenders.

Well that is rubbish on two counts, being:
1. Speeding is not the biggest cause of accidents. Catching speedersis onlyrevenue collection;
2. One of the biggest causes of accidents is inattention by the driver.

Well, inthe 2 kmstretch from the GrevilleRoad onramp an Constellation Drive exit others SH1 northern motorway, I observed frommy seat on a NX1 bus drivers doing the following:
1. 2 x women drivers applying makeup;
2. 1 x driver fumbling with food to stuff their breakfast in their mouth; and
3. 1 x tradie van driver reading messages on his phone.

During any work day morning rush hour the same behaviours can be regularly be witnessed anywhere on NZ’s highways. But what is conspicuous by their absence on the side of the roads watching the traffic, NZ’s traffic police. No, they are too busy hiding away looking for the occasional speedier on the motorway north of Silverdale.

What I observed this morning, is the reason so many aspects of NZ government departments/agencies are not believed and have no credibility. Like too many people/organisations they are keen to spin a PR message, but their actions & reality provide a very different view of the world.
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January 18, 2021 8:37am
- Ruahine
  
  In NZ using a cellphone in a motor vehicle on the road the fine will be $80. In Victoria $347.
  
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  January 18, 2021 11:13am
JibberJabber

This tweet didn’t age well…

‘We are creating a world where anyone, anywhere may express his or her beliefs, no matter how singular, without fear of being coerced into silence or conformity.’

These are the words of cyberlibertarian John Perry Barlow in 1996.
Wasn’t a tweet (of course, just so the literalists don’t get triggered) but you get my drift.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/15/how-big-tech-took-over/

in Western democracies today, at least, the primary threat to online free speech comes not from national governments, but from a Silicon Valley oligarchy that was elected by precisely no one.
Then came the US presidential election. And with some dark irony, fears that Trumpist misinformation would swing the result led Big Tech to make one of its most sinister interventions into electoral politics up to that point: the censorship of a mudslinging New York Post exposé about Joe Biden’s notoriously dodgy son, Hunter. Twitter locked the Post, America’s oldest daily newspaper, out of its Twitter account. Users were prevented from sharing the story, even in private messages.
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January 18, 2021 8:37am
- Inandout
  
  JJ, but we found out didn’t we by shopping around? Twitter has lost countless millions of members and has given life to previously ignored alternatives. Hackers the world over have been working furiously to show Jumping Jack Dorsey Twitter is not invincible.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:28am
lilman

I am still waiting for Stuff and other web sites to update on the man trying to smuggle a gun and ammunitions into the area around the Capitol building in advance of the inauguration.
Obviously a man hell bent on murder and mayhem.

………………………..?

Not the case as the man had a licence to carry the weapon and had not been given the updated passes for the event,it was rectified and the man was released without charges.

Yet………………….nothing.

Call themselves journalists, pathetic.
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January 18, 2021 8:39am
- Nickc2
  
  They are bought and paid for Govt. trolls.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:29am
- oldfella
  
  Whoops, hit report by accident. Sorry lilman.
  Re those so-called journos. Just think of them as lefty operatives with bylines.
  
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  January 18, 2021 11:04am
Tomtoddy

Cold down south this morning. Only 7 degrees in Alexandra and hail predicted. It wont stop some twit claiming the hottest Jan ever.
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January 18, 2021 8:40am
- hullkiwi
  
  Tt, didn’t you hear the news yesterday?
  
  Our country’s yuff (in the form of a self appointed spokesperson) was busily informing some RNZ jounalist that she (and others) are planning more school strikes this year to bring to people’s attention how real and serious climate change is.
  
  What does she want the government to do. If someone dare suggest the solution to her perceived problem, she would go into instant meltdown. Because she sees climate change as a result of green house gas caused by human activity. The only solution to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to levels to whatever predetermined level is deemed acceptable is to reduce the world’s population human by a significant percentage.
  
  All other solutions do nothing and are the propositions of socialists who want to tax everything, or city financiers who see a short term chance to extort profit from the gullible.
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:57am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    School strikes must be close to the top of the Irony List. Well-meaning but stupid schoolkids willingly reduce their educational opportunities.
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:22am
    - artemisia
      
      I did consider helping ours to march with signs saying Maunder Minimum Redux. Don’t suppose they would be front page on the MSM. Unless journalists are stupid, and on that I couldn’t possibly comment.
      
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      January 18, 2021 10:58am
  - alloytoo
    
    Historically the best way to address climate change it to adapt to it.
    
    Wealthy societies fare better at this as they have more resources for mitigation and adaptation.
    
    The “Renewables Cult” advocates the worst possible approach to climate change, it makes us poorer, and destroys the integrity of our energy supply which we will need to adapt.
    
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    January 18, 2021 11:43am
  - Ehlana
    
    School strikes must have worked though, since Tomtoddy is finding it colder than expected…
    
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    January 18, 2021 12:19pm
- oldfella
  
  TT, that pesky global warming is relentless. Not even the cold can stop it.
  
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  January 18, 2021 11:07am
kevn

@cmm… Indeed. Some were to frightened to even go to the docs.
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January 18, 2021 8:42am
- Southtop2
  
  But but but the science is settled : https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/01/17/proof-of-warmer-earlier-climate-swiss-geologist-studies-10800-year-old-tree-trunk-under-alps-glacier/
  
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  January 18, 2021 2:18pm
I remember when

So the heavily armed man arrested at Washington checkpoint story has (it appears) a rational explanation.
Of course, the actual story would have destroyed the news value and lessened the Trump bad man impact.
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January 18, 2021 8:48am
- Southtop2
  
  Link please – something smelled off at the time
  
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  January 18, 2021 2:19pm
Happychappy

It makes you wonder how our NZ Health experts can confidently make statements that there’s no cause for concern after 29 elderly people died in norwayafter receiving a Pfizer Coronavirus vaccine.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2021/01/covid-19-no-evidence-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-caused-deaths-of-29-elderly-people-in-norway-expert.html
I would bet it has got people in NZ thinking whether to risk it or not when the va8 becomes available in NZ.
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January 18, 2021 8:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What a F**k’n laugh..
  
  This morning Hipkins said he wasn’t aware of the Norwegian study
  
  New Zealand’s COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins told The AM Show on Monday he wasn’t aware of the Norway report
  
  Australia has been onto it for the last couple of days..
  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-17/norway-coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-reported-side-effects-deaths/13064910
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:01am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “This morning Hipkins said he wasn’t aware of the Norwegian study”
    This morning Hipkins said he wasn’t aware of …..
    …….anything.
    I have weatherboards on my house, with a higher IQ.
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:07am
    - oldfella
      
      Where’s Glorious Leader in all this uncertainty. Isn’t it time for her to retake the microphone of state and calm our fears?
      
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      January 18, 2021 11:09am
  - SB2
    
    MW, you can have the last laugh ( as often is the case) with your distinctive kind of misinformation,
    
    Medsafe will undertake a ‘thorough’ approvals process as Norway reports 13 dead after Pfizer jab — Hipkins
    
    Australian and New Zealand authorities today are seeking more information about one of the Covid-19 vaccines set to be used here, following a warning from officials in Norway.
    
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/medsafe-undertake-thorough-approvals-process-norway-reports-13-dead-after-pfizer-jab-hipkins
    
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    January 18, 2021 1:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I don’t do misinformation… That is your speciality.
      
      Where’s your evidence that I am an Alt-right/Neo-Nazi supporter?
      
      Where’s your evidence that I am/was a Trump supporter or anything other than exceedingly indifferent to US politics?
      
      The fact is SB2/stephieboy, you are a confused chap who posts nonsense and wages silly abuse campaigns against folks you know nothing about.
      
      I had hoped you’d stopped using KB as a platform to abuse and smear me…but seems you’ve got the Green light again.
      
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      January 18, 2021 2:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I see that SB2’s smear against me earlier this day has been removed by DPF.
        
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        January 18, 2021 2:29pm
- virtualmark
  
  This possibility is one of the reasons why New Zealand is being relatively cautious in its vaccine rollout.
  
  It was expected that at least one of the vaccines would turn out to have complications, or to not be suitable to some people. But the accelerated Phase III trials were possibly going to be so quick that that might not be fully uncovered. Other countries vaccination programmes are, in effect, an enormous Phase III trial that we can learn more information from.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:12am
  - alloytoo
    
    I concur, we are in a position to “Wait and See”.
    
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    January 18, 2021 11:22am
  - Sacha
    
    What about pregnant women?
    people with autoimmune diseases?
    diabetics?
    What will be the long-term effects of an unproven vaccine, on their future health?
    I would be quite alarmed if I had any health problems like these.
    
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    January 18, 2021 3:25pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  If you are in a resthome your daily chance of dying is about 0.12%. If you give a glass of water to 13k resthome inmates to drink you should expect 30 to die in the following two days. Norway has administered 40k vaccinations so far with resthomes being prioritized.
  
  Even if there is a vaccination risk (and that is not at all clear from that report) then it seems <1 in 1000, compared to 1 in 20 or so with covid. Pretty easy to see which is the better choice.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:22am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Why do people exaggerate, or worse, make sh*t up? Or is it just a comprehension fail, or a failure to even read the report?
  
  29 people didn’t die at all, in fact it was fewer than half that number, all of them were over 80 and in nursing homes, and may well have had underlying health issues of some kind.
  
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  January 18, 2021 12:49pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The reports I have read state that 29 have died shortly after vaccination.
    
    Autopsies have implicated the possibility of side effects from the vaccine contributing to their deaths in 13 cases.
    
    https://sciblogs.co.nz/diplomaticimmunity/2021/01/16/the-frail-elderly-and-covid-vaccines-should-we-be-concerned/
    
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    January 18, 2021 4:33pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      That’s odd, I was using the link you posted earlier in the day, which quotes the Norwegian Medical Agency, a reliable source I would assume:
      
      “The Norwegian Medicines Agency last week reported a total of 29 people had experienced side effects, including 13 who died.”
      
      Now you’ve found another link with what can only be described as a guess, with clearly incomplete information. “…apparently 13 autopsies had some kind of indication that common vaccine side effects might have contributed. We do not have information on these cases and I can’t imagine how an autopsy would reveal that a person died of a fever, muscle aches, fatigue, or a head ache (the common side effects).”
      
      It’s hard to keep up!
      
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      January 18, 2021 5:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Indeed it is…but if you look at the Sciblogs link by Helen Petousis Harris, she updated it today – the blog had been up for a couple of days.
        
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        January 18, 2021 5:14pm
  - kowtow
    
    Ah so . When elderly people who are at deaths’ door die of/with covid the world loses its shit bigly. ie Sweden , so bad. Don’t do wot they done.
    
    When elderly people die after getting a jab it’s :” hey dude , chill out , lots of elderly folk die in old folks homes , nothing to see here , move along please”
    
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    January 18, 2021 5:38pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      “This”.
      
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      January 18, 2021 8:02pm
Maggie Pie

I happened to overhear ‘Manic Marty’ on ZB yesterday talking about the America’s Cup Boats.

Listening to Marty, it’s all about the “DRAMA…..THEATRE……EXCITEMENT…….INNOVATION….. TECHNOLOGY……blah blah blah”

If he thinks ‘FOILS’ are anything new, maybe he needs to study history of the arrival of Maori in New Zealand.

https://abeltasman.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/tingang-sail-2-labelled.jpg
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January 18, 2021 8:52am
- oldfella
  
  Careful with that, Maggie. If you remind Maori that they had foils first, they’ll want a royalty from the America’s Cup syndicates, if not outright ownership of the boats.
  Why stop at just owning the water they sail on. 😉
  
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  January 18, 2021 11:14am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    And the wind they use as a propulsion system!
    
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    January 18, 2021 12:50pm
Chuck Bird

You will not see this in the news in New Zealand. People who have suggested such thing are dismissed at right wing nut cases. The man arrested was a BLM activist.

Utah activist who allegedly rioted at U.S. Capitol has been arrested

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2021/01/14/utah-activists-who-was-us/
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January 18, 2021 8:54am
- Maggie Pie
  
  It’s amazing how the FBI have identified and arrested so many protesters.
  
  You can understand why our grandparents wore hoods.
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:07am
- SB2
  
  Kevin SeeFried and his Hunter identified inside Capitol Hill bearing a confederate flag,
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55626148
  
  I wonder where their allegiance lies?
  
  And of course Jake Angeli Qanon Shaman
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:28am
- MCos
  
  From the article
  ‘However, he is not affiliated with Black Lives Matter Utah. Lex Scott, founder of BLM Utah, told The Tribune on Thursday that Sullivan has never been a member.’
  
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  January 18, 2021 9:38am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and they don’t lie…
    Burn down cities, kill policemen…riot
    but never lie.
    
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    January 18, 2021 11:38am
    - MCos
      
      Just pointing out that Bird is using that article to back up his comment, but the article doesn’t back up his comment.
      Whether the BLM bloke is telling the truth is another matter.
      
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      January 18, 2021 12:19pm
      - Batman
        
        Given that the boogaloo boys are right now in michigan pretending to be BLM activists by wearing BLM hoodies over their hawaiian shirts (I promise I’m not making this up), they claims of others being BLM or mythical Antifa super soldiers can be treated with a few large grains of salt.
        
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        January 18, 2021 12:24pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Good article. Looks like they left out the bit where John Sullivan (aka Jayden X) is filmed inside talking to CNN’s Jade Sacker. Saying we did it. I told you. I couldn’t say much but you just have to watch my channel. Then the two of them appeared as eyewitnesses on CNN before John Sullivan was arrested. CNN never asked why they were actually inside the capital building. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F69he261s_A
  
  The Herald posted news of an olympian swimmer who was charged at the Capital. But they’ve never covered John Sullivan who was an olympic iceskater and uber taxi advertising spokesperson.
  
  The president’s Twitter Account has been removed for incitement but John Sullivan’s feed who has been arrested is still up. https://twitter.com/realjaydenx
  
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  January 18, 2021 12:50pm
- Southtop2
  
  He gets a mention and footage of him screaming at others to burn the place down inside the building here on the cross roads video with Michael Yon . Interesting that the tactics are the same as used in Hong Kong, Portland and Seattle https://joannenova.com.au/2021/01/provocateurs-tried-to-incite-more-violence-at-capitol-hill-but-failed/
  
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  January 18, 2021 2:24pm
I remember when

Temperature at Napier Airport yesterday 30.5 C.
Their fifth highest was 35.6 on January 27, 1952.
Hastings’ fifth highest temperature was 35.2 on 12 January, 1979.
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January 18, 2021 9:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Met Office predicted Gizzy would get to 30C yesterday…. it barely reached 27C.
  
  We might get 23C today….(22C outside the house currently, cool breeze blowing……might pack a cardi when I head out)
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:18am
  - sooty
    
    Now, now Maggy. You can’t have a selfie with cindy, wearing a cardi and you will have to take the hair rollers out too!
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:32am
    - oldfella
      
      And the apron, and the fluffy slippers. But leave the dentures in. Please. 🙂
      
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      January 18, 2021 11:16am
      - sooty
        
        Strange, everyone thinks Maggy looks like Mrs Brown, for some strange reason!
        
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        January 18, 2021 12:28pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Is this passable?
        https://i2.wp.com/www.fabulousafter40.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/brown-ribbed-sweater.jpg?resize=330%2C450&ssl=1
        
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        January 18, 2021 1:43pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Hot babe 🙂
        
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        January 18, 2021 2:48pm
Maggie Pie

Exciting to see that the ‘Mega Millions’ wasn’t struck again.
Jackpots to $850mill US!!
Still time to get your tickets for Tuesdays draw.
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January 18, 2021 9:48am
Monique Watson

Wow. Right wing blogs really go go to the dogs and follow pack mentality as much as That dreaded left wing wad The Standard and the truly defunct but fun Red. Such a pity. Used to be some critical thinking around here. Now it’s all. Trump good! Ugh! Beats chest!
Most of the world has moved on even prior to the inauguration.
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January 18, 2021 9:57am
- Inandout
  
  MW, Trump has made a million dollars in the time you took to write your comment. He is laughing, and so should you.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:31am
  - Batman
    
    A million dollars from fleecing people, a portion of whom who can’t afford it but do it anyway because they’ve been conned?
    
    Oh how very honourable of him… What a great and good businessman he is /sarc
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:36am
    - Andrei
      
      If Donald Trump is so corrupt how come the best the Democrats oppo research could come up with to discredit him was the utterly bogus Steele Dossier –
      which included the lurid tale of Russian prostitutes peeing on him in a Moscow hotel.
      
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      January 18, 2021 10:51am
    - MCos
      
      You mean like Bishop Brian?
      
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      January 18, 2021 11:30am
    - Inandout
      
      Bat, your friend Nancy may one day flee the leftist mobs when they descend on her mansion. You see, she is white, rich and old and an obvious target for the ‘I Wants’. Trump has it all sewn up and won’t be going anywhere, despite the ‘drive by impeachments’.
      
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      January 18, 2021 11:36am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Can’t take it with you. I’m sure Salami doesn’t appreciate the subtleties of capitalism but does appreciate ‘whodunnit’ when it comes to who ordered the Jan 3rd 20 assassination of an Iranian General.
    
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    January 18, 2021 12:31pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It’s quite possible to dislike Trump and his many personal failings and still see him as a far better alternative than a ‘swamp creature’ coffin dodging DNC glove puppet pushing a regressively left wing agenda and totally compliant to wishes of Tech oligopoly and PRC’s tentacles of influence. DNC (+ RNC) elites appear to care primarily about power and enriching themselves, with interests of voters and country taking a back seat to self interest. Trump’s election was a result of that widely recognised problem.
  
  Politics is not black and white (unless you are terminally woke)
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:38am
  - curry4me
    
    Urbanneocolonialist: Left and right are two wings of a corrupt globalist turkey. McWorld v locally made.
    
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    January 18, 2021 1:11pm
- Fletch
  
  There will be protests in cities all over America, just as there were when Trump was inaugurated. In fact, with Trump there was riots – flash grenades and pepper spray used.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
  
  The difference is that there was no evidence of fraud. Just liberals upset.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:42am
- surfing
  
  Kiwiblog is full to the brim of ride or die Trump supporters.
  
  I guess if you have a crappy life, Trumps hate and vile may appeal.
  
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  January 18, 2021 11:25am
  - Inandout
    
    surfing, hop onto Twitter if you want to see the dregs of society, absolute bottom feeders.
    
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    January 18, 2021 11:45am
- David George
  
  “go to the dogs and follow pack mentality ”
  Not really a valid criticism Monique, there does seem to be a wide diversity of opinion on this site, including opinion of Trump.
  Perhaps your criticism would be better directed at those charged with informing the general population – our appalling MSM.
  I have some sympathy for folk with a very poor view of Trump considering the unprecedented campaign of vilification directed against him.
  Ask people to name his achievements and initiatives and most won’t be able to name a single thing. Do you ever think “perhaps we’re being lied to”? I do!
  Here’s a wee clip “Why Donald Trump Deserved to Lose” https://youtu.be/MMrEzqwffEs
  
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  January 18, 2021 12:02pm
  - SB2
    
    True Trump’s accomplishments cannot be discounted but it all came unstuck due to his mishandling of the Covid Pandemic with a resulting economic down turn undoing the successes of 2019
    
    https://theconversation.com/how-covid-19-led-to-donald-trumps-defeat-150110
    
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    January 18, 2021 1:14pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      “True Trump’s accomplishments cannot be discounted ” Well done on the admission.
      Without those very accomplishments, the USA would be a 3rd world country by now.
      Imagine what Clinton would have done….disaster.
      Imagine what Biden will do….disaster.
      
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      January 18, 2021 5:27pm
Rusty

Would be interesting if a question was posted such as “What is your predictions for NZ in 2020?”

Off the top of my head maybe these ideas:

*More covid lockdowns coming our way and harsher penalties for people breaking them.

*Hate speech crimes raised to another level.

* Govt move to change our National anthem by getting rid of the name God in it.

Its still only January with a 11 plus months to go!
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January 18, 2021 10:08am
- Rusty
  
  Sorry folks meant 2021
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:15am
  - sooty
    
    Cindy outa here!
    Have to be early 2022 at the latest!
    
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    January 18, 2021 10:34am
    - oldfella
      
      Batman to become less grumpy.
      
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      January 18, 2021 11:18am
      - Tall Man
        
        Now you’re just being silly ……….
        
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        January 18, 2021 11:58am
- Inandout
  
  No Rusty, 2021 will be the year of scrambling for ways to keep the money machine churning out ever decreasing valued dollars. No man is an island they say, and no isolated nation can be insulated for years. We are royally in the financial shit.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:34am
- RW Capitalist
  
  They refused to give me a knee op. last yr siting funding and staff availability, they then changed it to by sugar levels preventing it and booked me an appointment (re sugar levels) for 27/2/21.
  Last week they sent a letter postponing it, no reason given.
  It’s starting to look a lot like the Clark/King health service, when they wiped 10’s of 1000s off waiting lists.
  Spose we could always send cancer patients to Australia…..OH but wait…..covid.
  
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  January 18, 2021 5:33pm
  - Tall Man
    
    If you can afford it just write the check but do some research into surgeons first.
    
    Knee pain is a bitch and the change is like night and day 🙂
    
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    January 18, 2021 7:45pm
Doc Holliday

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Neo-fascist Trump has quite a following on kiwibog. Dumb climate deniers are even dumber than I imagined possible.
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January 18, 2021 10:37am
- alloytoo
  
  “Climate Denier”?
  
  I don’t think there are very many people who deny the existence of climate.
  
  There are a number of idiots who seem to believe it was static prior to the industrial age. Some sort of death cult I believe.
  
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  January 18, 2021 11:37am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    @alloytoo
    
    Some of the Aussies are on to it.
    
    Earth’s climate is ‘cyclical’ as new study claims an ice age is coming
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyiDwhbwxSs
    
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    January 18, 2021 1:48pm
    - Sacha
      
      ‘Climate Cycle’. – that’s new. I quite like it.
      
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      January 18, 2021 3:33pm
      - oldfella
        
        Climate Cycle? If I pedal fast, will the planet cool down?
        
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        January 18, 2021 4:22pm
    - alloytoo
      
      @Chuck, not sure how “Renewables” will supply the energy required to survive.
      
      Couple of Nuclear reactors however…..
      
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      January 18, 2021 6:11pm
- Mrs_Right
  
  I don’t think I have come across any climate deniers let alone dumb ones.
  
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  January 18, 2021 12:45pm
  - JJ56
    
    There are quite a number who deny the uncertainty …
    
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    January 18, 2021 2:05pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I’ve met lots of ‘climate deniers’ who deny real world measured data in favour of catastrophic disaster porn. Faith based millenialist doomster cultists can’t handle mundane realities that negate their worldviews.
    
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    January 18, 2021 2:56pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Is your first name “Always” ….. asking for a friend 😉
    
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    January 18, 2021 7:43pm
Maggie Pie

I recall the very first time being introduced to my partner and thinking how naff the big diamond bezel on his Rolex looked. LOL!!

https://twitter.com/Hotfreestyle/status/1349873785483259904
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January 18, 2021 10:39am
- Fletch
  
  And heaven help anyone who tries to steal it off him.
  
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  January 18, 2021 10:43am
MCos

Yesterday there was a minor discussion about ads dominating the front page of newspapers. Here’s a Herald front page from 1915.
This sort of layout carried on until the 50s or 60s https://images.app.goo.gl/tFaqKecisr6Q8BcAA
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January 18, 2021 10:56am
- Inandout
  
  MCos, they printed the truth back then, just unadulterated news.
  
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  January 18, 2021 11:49am
  - MCos
    
    You wouldn’t know if it was the truth or not, would you.
    Back then people believed the printed word was true.
    
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    January 18, 2021 6:07pm
- oldfella
  
  Mcos, that 1915 Herald front page looks much more intelligible than today’s edition. Better articles, too.
  
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  January 18, 2021 1:03pm
mikenmildagain

being introduced to my partner

Sounds very formal for the Cossie Club.
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January 18, 2021 10:58am
- Tall Man
  
  Pretty sure Maggie’s not a public servant, but I could be wrong.
  
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  January 18, 2021 11:56am
- David George
  
  There’s no snob like a lefty snob.
  Reminds me of the vilification from the left (and W Peters) directed at Simon Bridges for his accent, for sounding like what he is – a working class part Maori boy from Tauranga.
  
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  January 18, 2021 12:08pm
  - oldfella
    
    Are you even allowed to say PART Maori today?
    
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    January 18, 2021 1:04pm
    - fernglas
      
      There are actually three different unwoke things in David’s post. The first is, of course, using the description “working class”. Classism is just so last millenium; now the appropriate term is “upwardly aspirational salt of the earth skilled battler”. Part-Maori? Ha! You are either Maori or you’re not, these days. Binary identity politics would have it so. And vilifying someone who has the misfortune to be from Tauranga (or West Auckland, I thought) is urbo-centrism at its worst.
      
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      January 18, 2021 2:07pm
WaynelSexton

Lets see if you can pass the following test.

Is there a declared federal emergency that covers Washington DC?
Who commands the National Guard when it is federalized?
Who is the current President of the United States?
Who, therefore, must have given the orders for the 25,000 National Guardsmen currently occupying Washington DC to perform their expeditionary service there?
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January 18, 2021 10:59am
- Inandout
  
  WS, shhhh, or I will start believing something is up. Even CNN has called Washington an armed fortress, with a slightly worried tone from their ZB news reader. The 5o State demo sounds good in theory but probably won’t happen.
  
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  January 18, 2021 11:53am
  - Batman
    
    The declared emergency is because DC is not a state and they use those powers for security and deployment reasons.
    
    Wayne is getting excited over the usual misinterpretation by conspiracists of what is a normal procedure that happens every time.
    
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    January 18, 2021 12:19pm
    - WaynelSexton
      
      25,000 soldiers is normal procedure?
      That’s enough soliders to invade Canada.
      
      “As of 2020, the Canadian Army has 23,000 regular soldiers”
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Army
      
      Moving 25,000 soliders takes months of planning, Batman.
      
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      January 18, 2021 1:00pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        No thanks, eh.
        Sincerely yours
        Canada
        PS It was Canadian forces that liberated the Dutch, don’t p*ss them off… Just saying.
        
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        January 18, 2021 2:59pm
      - Batman
        
        25,000 soldiers takes a few days. 12 hours is the usual response time for the NG, as someone else here mentioned.
        
        Funnily enough, I’ve just been reading this interesting thread about the psychology of folks who believe in such nuttery. You might find it helpful
        
        https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1351011133264719875?s=19
        
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        January 18, 2021 8:16pm
- Jimmy White
  
  [Mod: you’re seriously in danger of coming afoul of the blog rules with that. This is a warning.]
  
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  January 18, 2021 1:51pm
  - Jimmy White
    
    Mod: You have my email. Please email me … [A Different Mod : Nice try but we don’t get into discussions. If you want to whinge, send it to DPF] … Delete my account [ if you like ]
    
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    January 18, 2021 5:57pm
- RichardX
  
  WaynelSexton
  Lets see if you can pass the following test.
  
  Is there a declared federal emergency that covers Washington DC?
  Who commands the National Guard when it is federalized?
  Who is the current President of the United States?
  Who, therefore, must have given the orders for the 25,000 National Guardsmen currently occupying Washington DC to perform their expeditionary service there?
  
  JANUARY 18, 2021 10:59AM
  
  You must read different conspiracy sites to other commenters here.
  
  Their talking points tried to blame Pelosi for not calling out the National Guard in time to quell the riots.
  
  You can’t both be right.
  
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  January 18, 2021 5:22pm
RW Capitalist

3 things I posted on another site.

“alt right”Is that a “movement”???Is it a religion???Is it an organization???Is it a club?????Or ..is it a new swear word, that socialists use to describe ANYONE who disagrees with them, in an attempt to demonize them into silence?

“Facts do not pick sides”
Let’s have that on a T-shirt / coffee cup

A gun is a paper weight, if that’s what you use it for.
A gun is a method of getting food, if that’s what YOU use it for.
A steak knife is a tool for eating…..until you stab someone with it
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January 18, 2021 11:35am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING……

It’s been revealed there are now very real fears that members of the National Guard who support President Trump, might attempt to kill Biden during the inauguration.
Commanders have been asked to confiscate all ammo and magazines from the soldiers.
(See photo)

https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1350800988496687106
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January 18, 2021 11:44am
- Inandout
  
  LOL, unarmed National Guards. Someone shouting at Joe would be enough to finish him.
  
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  January 18, 2021 11:56am
- alloytoo
  
  Despots who lack legitimacy are often paranoid.
  
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  January 18, 2021 12:04pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    The Ceaucescues’ cue.
    
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    January 18, 2021 8:06pm
- SB2
  
  I guess its always wise to be prepared given the unhinged elements rife amongst Trump supporters and of course Trump himself
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/31/joe-biden-secret-service-team-trump-loyalty
  
  Such is the memorable legacy Trump leaves behind!
  
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  January 18, 2021 12:34pm
I remember when

So if the 29 vaccine recipients in Norway didn’t die as a result of complications from the vaccine does it mean:
The high risk covid-19 population is just – high risk.
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January 18, 2021 12:31pm
- Jimmy White
  
  When you over 80 each day is a blessing
  
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  January 18, 2021 1:45pm
  - fernglas
    
    Not for your heirs.
    
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    January 18, 2021 2:10pm
- SB2
  
  The high-risk poulation not only includes the elderly but also the very young and immune-compromised.
  
  The facts are anyone can either be seriously affected or even killed by the virus.
  
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  January 18, 2021 2:43pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Another 6 Covid cases in quarantine today. Bringing the number of Covid cases diagnosed in Quarantine/miq to 547. Number recovered 476. Number hospitalised 0. Number dead 0.
    
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    January 18, 2021 4:20pm
oldfella

CNN hits it out of the park with one of the very best, ruthlessly fact-checked, stories to come out of the Capitol riots.
++
CNN issues correction of the week, noting that Rep. Ted Lieu grabbed a ProBar energy bar and not a crowbar during the Capitol siege
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/cnn-correction-ted-lieu-grabbed-probar-not-crowbar-capitol-siege-2021-1?r=US&IR=T
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January 18, 2021 12:38pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dL5ikaJayk
BoJo v Fishlady.

Some support money has not been delivered in Scotland.
There are urgent calls for support. Only 7 of 30 business funds are
active. SNP has been slow to pay out.
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January 18, 2021 12:39pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZTXGUjHTJc

The Best Browser for Privacy.
If you want better internet privacy, check this out. His other
Videos are worth watching too. It’s time to starve big tech,
and reclaim your privacy. Bra doesn’t ask for an e.mail, or phone number.
I’ve included a link for an android phone adblocker.

https://brax.me/

https://www.getadblock.com/android/
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January 18, 2021 12:40pm
Maggie Pie

1ZB reporting: “An empty kayak with fresh fish inside has been found on a beach near Miramar, and police have fears for the safety of the missing….. ‘FISHER’

FFS!! Does that mean we now have to refer to the PM’s fiance as ‘The First Fisher’?
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January 18, 2021 12:41pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  https://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fisher
  
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  January 18, 2021 12:48pm
  - oldfella
    
    [Deleted – You know bringing politician’s family into discussions here is against the blog rules. Do it again and you will get a month ban. Mod]
    
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    January 18, 2021 1:15pm
    - oldfella
      
      Umm, but isn’t that what Maggie’s just done? Talking about The First Fisher is definitely bringing a politician’s family into the discussion. Then she posted the urban dictionary definition of Fisher.
      Not getting down on Mags, but not sure you’re being consistent with your rulings.
      
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      January 18, 2021 1:45pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Think you may have missed the context of my comment there OF.
        But hey, no probs getting down on me if you want 😀
        
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        January 18, 2021 2:50pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Mod – one of the resident trollers did this upriver about Trump and no sanctions were applied. It’s your turf, sure, but let’s not pretend there aren’t double standards applied, mmkay?
      
      [Different Mod: most of the Trump children are politically active. Barron and maybe Tiffany have the no families rule apply to them.]
      
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      January 18, 2021 8:07pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        I appreciate the explanation.
        
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        January 18, 2021 9:57pm
- Ehlana
  
  Fisher has been around for a while now Maggie. Guess in this case they genuinely don’t know whether they are looking for a fisherman or a fisherwoman.
  
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  January 18, 2021 1:14pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Oh they KNOW alright Ehlana…..just as much as me and 99.5% of the rest of the country does 😀
    
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    January 18, 2021 1:20pm
  - Jimmy White
    
    Could be a he him/ she her/ they them or that
    
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    January 18, 2021 1:43pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Dominican Republic started using Ivermectin to treat Covid in September. Their death rates have since plummeted to be similar to flu:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/dominican-republic/

Will the medical establishment in the west ever wake up?
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January 18, 2021 1:02pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Ivermectin works great. We use it here… for deworming my horses q. 6 months. You know, its intended and approved use, with a real mechanism and everything.
  
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  January 18, 2021 3:21pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Summary of mechanism and numerous (all positive) trial results right here. Two US hospitals using it have about 25% mortality of other western hospitals. It seems to work a lot better than standard outpatient treatment (ie do nothing and pray you don’t wind up in hospital). I note that western medical establishment is (at glacial pace) slowly starting to come around – eg NIH in last few days have started allowing physicians to use it, though not yet recommending its use.
    
    https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Ivermectin-in-the-prophylaxis-and-treatment-of-COVID-19.pdf
    
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    January 18, 2021 4:53pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      UN, whilst I admit there is precedent here, e.g. the drugs Amantadine and Rimantadine were originally approved for neurodegeneration (specifically Parkinson-related dyskinesia). Turns out they were active against influenza (well, at least until the ‘flu became resistant within a couple of years). The mechanism was blockade of the M2 pore protein of the virion, that was entirely predictable from the drug’s pharmacodynamics and was found fast once they got a “hit” on ‘flu activity (<– not rocket science for the people that do this work).
      
      The major mechanism of action of ivermectin is antagonizing (blockade of) glutamate-gated chloride channels – worms and some other parasites (arthropods) require these channels for muscle and neuronal function. When they are blockaded by ivermectin, the parasites mass detach and die. The major side effect is Mazzotti reaction (which is quite interesting). Viruses don't have glutamate gated Cl- channels. There is a minuscule chance that there's a cross reactivity to another part of the viral genome, but nobody can find it not even Big Pharma. Also the (thousands) of people that have been treated with it have also been treated with just about everything (including dexamethasone, that we know works) and also were multiply complicated and co-morbid, that none of the observations or cohort cases trials sent out to date are worth the paper they're written on.
      
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      January 19, 2021 12:53pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Well, it was either Ivermectin or a course of leeches.
    
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    January 18, 2021 5:08pm
- fernglas
  
  I looked at the graph of deaths in that link, UN, and I see no plummet.
  
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  January 18, 2021 4:29pm
Maggie Pie

CNN reporting….. a Caravan of more than 1000 fleeing Hondurans is steadily making it’s way to ‘Biden’s land of hope and opportunity’

LOL!! Hoping for the opportunity to bludge off hard working American taxpayers for the rest of their lives more like it.
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January 18, 2021 1:15pm
- mandk
  
  What are the Hondurans fleeing from?
  
  And if they need refuge, why can’t they ask the Mexicans?
  
  I know the answers are predictable, but it is worth asking the questions anyway.
  
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  January 18, 2021 1:43pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    MS13
    
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    January 18, 2021 3:22pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Pretty sure once Biden takes over, there will be millions of Americans wondering what on earth they’ve voted for and wishing Trumpy was still Pres.
    
    They’ll soon realise that challenging the election and not conceding is nothing to what ‘China Joe’ has in store for them 🙁
    
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    January 18, 2021 3:38pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Caravans of refugees will be heading to Mexico from Mississippi and Alabama.
      
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      January 18, 2021 3:42pm
      - Batman
        
        And will no doubt be armed and violent ??
        
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        January 18, 2021 3:43pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Mike, many retiring to Mexico from Texas and the lower USA. They take their guns with them.
        Baha would be my choice if not going south
        
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        January 18, 2021 6:52pm
- kowtow
  
  Daily Telegraph reports the caravan as 7 to 8000 and Guatemala returned 1000 to Honduras .
  
  Bigly border problems for Creepy Joe .
  
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  January 18, 2021 7:16pm
Jimmy White

Only in the good old USA.
Only Gay actors can take the parts of Gay characters but a ‘He him/ she her/ they them’ gender fluid Male ballet dancer front Flint, Michigan is to take the part of a female dancer. “ It will be a door opener and I would imagine – I would hope – that we will flood through that door,”
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January 18, 2021 1:39pm
- oldfella
  
  Jimmy, it’s all been done before.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcpkUGdqxw4&ab_channel=MaryanneLea
  
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  January 18, 2021 4:36pm
WaynelSexton

Who else is enjoying watching all these military cargo planes heading to Washington DC.

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/
Press U for military
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January 18, 2021 2:05pm
- Batman
  
  Are you excited for the storm to finally arrive, Wayne?
  
  Have you got your tickets for the Gitmo show trials????
  
  I’m sure it won’t not happen, like all the other times that it failed to materialise…
  
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  January 18, 2021 2:08pm
  - WaynelSexton
    
    Mate, the storm is already here
    25,000 soliders and counting…..
    
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    January 18, 2021 3:37pm
    - Batman
      
      Hahahaha ok bruh, you hold onto that dream nice and tight!
      
      Meanwhile, I’ll be sure to check in again on Thursday morning when Biden is waving from the West Wing and Trump is on his way to Magastan, Fl.
      
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      January 18, 2021 3:45pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Fantastic imagination Batman. Biden waving to the 25,000 that he hates????
        
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        January 18, 2021 6:55pm
- Inandout
  
  WS, would it be something to do with all those documents Trump has ordered released at 7pm tonight?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LidlnaipY7g&feature=youtu.be
  
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  January 18, 2021 3:50pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    I can see your problems if you listen to that sort of stuff, no attempt at being objective just fodder for the indoctrinated. Seriously sick stuff.
    
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    January 18, 2021 8:14pm
  - Unity
    
    Is it not going to happen? Haven’t heard anything yet. I think we are being ‘played’ and there won’t be any release of de-classified documents.
    
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    January 19, 2021 11:44am
JibberJabber

This is why people think the media are farkwits,
https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1350959081981419525

Phil Spector has popped his clogs, but not a murderer just “flawed”…
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January 18, 2021 2:20pm
- SB2
  
  JibberJabbber, another BBC headline,
  
  “Phil Spector: Pop producer jailed for murder dies at 81”
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55697979
  
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  January 18, 2021 2:50pm
oldfella

A little bit of US political humour. Laugh, or n0t!
http://www.floppingaces.net/2021/01/17/sunday-funnies-625/
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January 18, 2021 2:26pm
Stu2

The 20,000+ national guard troops in DC seems like a complete overreaction, following a complete underreaction

My guess is that the Capitol Police will carry the can for the resources available on Jan 6 – their own internal intel bulletin suggested a risk of violence three days before the event, yet there was no quick reaction force nearby.

The panicked calls mid-riot for the national guard to turn out were pointless. A quick turnout by them is 12+ hours as the troops have to congregate from their jobs, equip, brief, get the OK from the pentagon to cross the border into DC and finally travel. They got there late in the evening
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January 18, 2021 2:31pm
- kowtow
  
  I don’t see the anti Trump media calling such a mass gathering of troops a potential superspreader event , which they would if the Evil Orange One had called out the guard……
  
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  January 18, 2021 4:27pm
  - RichardX
    
    Have you seen the coverage of the troops wearing masks?
    Are you aware that at other superspreader events masks were not worn by many attendees?
    Who do you think called out the National Guard?
    
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    January 18, 2021 6:55pm
Maggie Pie

I’ve always been one to set ‘goals’ and ‘milestones’ for myself.
Since first joining Twitter, I see I’ve nearly reached 700 tweets!
What’s happened to the little ‘comment counter’ here on KB? Just went to check and it appears not to be there now??
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January 18, 2021 2:59pm
- sooty
  
  Stephie and mm2 broke it!
  
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  January 18, 2021 4:13pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I think DPF said it was upsetting WordPress somehow.
    
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    January 18, 2021 5:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And that Phool Ure guy.
    Sorry
    
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    January 18, 2021 5:56pm
mikenmildagain

I found this interesting. The assassin of Mahatma Gandhi is now revered by many Hindu as something of a saint, a hero for murdering someone who stood for non-violence, secularism and Indian unity.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/17/mahatma-gandhis-killer-venerated-as-hindu-nationalism-resurges-in-india
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January 18, 2021 3:18pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Even the dairy up the road from where we are has a photo of Nat Godse hanging up behind the cash register.
  
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  January 18, 2021 3:44pm
  - kowtow
    
    Nat Godse was hanged in prison…….
    
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    January 18, 2021 4:25pm
  - [email protected]
    
    So do you uptick a post like this that brings something to your attention that you find distasteful or downtick it because you find it distasteful?
    
    The uptick/downtick options need to be clarified and improved,
    
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    January 18, 2021 8:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Facebook and Twitter are not banning hate speech, they are banning speech they hate
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January 18, 2021 4:52pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

Kamala Harris has finally said she will resign her Senate seat on Monday.

Wonder what took her so long?
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January 18, 2021 5:03pm
- Inandout
  
  MP, I think she will withdraw her offer before then.
  
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  January 18, 2021 5:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Even though the left says we need to b indoctrinated, you should know that many will not do that freely.
The evil liberals are doing the same things the Nazis did in the 1930s. You know this and you don’t even care
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January 18, 2021 5:04pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/123981673/spate-of-dairy-pollution-cases-tallies-300000-in-fines
How about some fines for dirty Auckland urban residents?
You know: the ones who pour used engine oil down their drains. Who use huge amounts of chemicals to “spray and walk away” from their driveways and weeds, the ones who fill the waste-water system with crappy wipes / nappies / bags etc etc ?
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January 18, 2021 5:12pm
lifesgood

Hey Ho…I see we are still merrily importing covid cases. What a useless bunch of no hopers we have in
government.
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January 18, 2021 5:22pm
Monique Watson

At David [email protected]. I really think most people would be hard pressed to name a single thing that Trump did that was beneficial to the Middle Class. In their eyes.
It’s getting late here but I can tell you one he didn’t do that he promised: Lower taxes. One specifically Abolish AMT: Alternative Minimum Tax. Trump promised to abolish AMT but he didn’t. This effectively increased tax on the Middle Class over his term. The very wealthy this didn’t affect, but those who received income where income tax didn’t apply were screwed. (Ie Incentivized Stock Options. ) The full list is available online.
Mind you. The Dems will grow the Government and throw money at Climate Change working parties so we’re screwed from behind and look to be screwed when the weather changes.
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January 18, 2021 6:33pm
Maggie Pie

Is it just me, or does that little grey short-arse who presents the Weather on TV1, actually think he’s auditioning for ‘Dancing with the Stars’?

FFS!!
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January 18, 2021 7:02pm
- SB2
  
  As if he even remotely cares about your fifth rate opinions.
  
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  January 18, 2021 8:03pm
Monique Watson

Speaking of weather. I made the mistake of googling “weather” which returned: “The Planet is dying Faster than we Thought”. Omg the Middle Class guilt.
A case of burn rainforest in the Amazon, get the fires in California.
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