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igm

Talk about fake news for payment . . .
https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2021/03/maori-dads/
Joke of the year “Stuff”!
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March 7, 2021 8:00am
- KiwiSapper
  
  I Couldn’t find clearer and damning evidence that the NZ media are prawns, owned by the Government.
  
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  March 7, 2021 11:09am
  - KiwiSapper
    
    On second thoughts, my “fishy’ allegation may be too obtuse for some…especially chess players.
    
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    March 7, 2021 11:18am
    - lifesgood
      
      What a load of tripe, Stuff. For God’s sake print something worthy of the printer’s ink for a change.
      
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      March 7, 2021 1:15pm
- Liberty
  
  The Film “Boy” was a very interesting film.
  The sad reality is it was also very close to real life for
  A lot of Maori children.
  
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  March 7, 2021 1:04pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Just so you know where your money is going, the Herald is promoting four “Local Focus” videos funded by NZ on Air today: A Green MP, A Labour MP, A Maori movie and Iwi guardianship of tuatara.
  
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  March 7, 2021 5:23pm
Apropos of the Wet Snow

Does Otago Polytechnic fly the national flag permanently? I genuinely cannot say, but I am sceptical. Now, to publicise (i.e virtue signal and indoctrinate) to all their commitment to Maori “equity” (not equality) the institution is considering (i.e. will) fly the Maori flag, a separatist symbol by definition. Another incision counting toward the death by a thousand cuts of our once proud and self-assured nation.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/call-fly-maori-flag-otago-polytechnic

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/polytechnic-considering-flag-request
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March 7, 2021 8:02am
- Loddenthinks
  
  You’ll note that Canterbury University has already staked its claim as the most pointless virtue-signallers by flying the ~~rag~~ flag permanently. As well as employing the over-staying fakeugee, of course.
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:32am
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    The tertiary sector is extremely competitive, innit?
    
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    March 7, 2021 10:42am
- kiwibird
  
  Makes sense then that we get a new flag to share, finally, doesn,t it?
  
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  March 7, 2021 12:23pm
artemisia

Hard on the heels of yesterday’s swipe at Wellington City Council’s inept and obstructive councillors by Neil Holdom is HDPA’s savage opinion piece in the Herald today. Paywalled.

John Key was right – Wellington is dying……. it will take decades for the city to recover from the damage this council is inflicting on it in three years. ….. Wellington is so strapped for cash that ratepayers face rises of 13.5 per cent this year and 5.8 per cent on average for a decade, but Fleur Fitzsimons can’t tolerate selling the library’s office space.The city’s businesses will need tourist dollars to rebuild, but freshman Tamatha Paul wants to obstruct the airport’s development because of climate change.

What was that about inept and obstructive councillors?
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March 7, 2021 8:03am
- kowtow
  
  The other article was about how unsafe wimmin feel at night on the streets of the capital .
  
  Clearly a lot of ruffians like the idea of our “woke” police service as they neither fear the police , the courts or prison ( cos the Pollies have signalled they don’t want just any old body to be sent to the Pokey)
  
  where’s the hashtaggers when you really need ’em.
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:08am
  - artemisia
    
    Mr Holdom’s item was more about local government governance. But a lot of talk and even some media attention on emergency housing (motels) in the CBD causing plenty of issues.
    
    Last week Stuff reported on this – 300% increase in Wellington region in the last year. The headline included “under strain from Covid-19 and escalating housing crisis”. It should have added that most of these households are not going to anywhere near top of the list for private rentals now – way too risky with the new Faafoi rules, and plenty of ideal applicants lined up.
    
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    March 7, 2021 10:56am
- peterwn
  
  It looks like when the seawall around the airport fails because of lack of funding and the airport is unable to be used, the seat of Government will move to Auckland.
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:25am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Why fund raising the sea wall.
    
    Surely you know that it will be under water soon.
    
    Get with the program
    
    So old school //
    
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    March 7, 2021 3:57pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  I am so sick of the climate change nonsense and the costs the lefty maniacs are imposing on us.
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:43am
  - pdm
    
    Me too Sir Cullen’s S.
    
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    March 7, 2021 11:00am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Cant wait for Lithium mining to bee reclassed as “Green”, However I’m not holding my breath.
    Interesting a lot comes from South America, Mostly Chinese owned companies of course.
    https://unctad.org/news/developing-countries-pay-environmental-cost-electric-car-batteries
    
    it also leads to the fact how “green” are all Computers and Mobile phones. etc.
    There is a reason these are done in third world countries for a price.
    Everywhere else all enviromental costs associated are too high , In addition Labour costs as well.
    
    The thing no one seems to measure all these costs from Mining to product, Which is interesting in itself as all must have ISO accreditation 14000. ( enviromental) .
    
    This all proves what a “Sham” it all is and lets point the Finger at Climate change.
    Well Gee Wizz, Who’d have thought.
    
    Thats the Thing with Micky Mouse NZ Climate Commission report, No costs are associated with transporting too NZ ( pg 49) and Energy involved in manufacturing abroad, Not too mention Social and enviromental impact.
    
    Also of interest while reading about end product, That only 2% are recycled as too costly otherwise.
    Just remeber these are only one mineral used and plenty of “Rare earts” mined in similar ways, Myanmar and China. Where enviromental impact is not considered important.
    https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/the-environmental-impact-of-lithium-batteries/#:~:text=To%20extract%20lithium%2C%20miners%20drill,rich%20brine%20to%20the%20surface.&text=In%20Nevada%2C%20researchers%20found%20impacts,soil%20and%20causes%20air%20contamination.
    
    Dont you like just “feel like your helping the enviroment” with a shiny new EV.
    
    Dont worry the Greens do as well , Because we DECIMATED OIL & GAS.
    
    Time for a Latte.
    
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    March 7, 2021 2:56pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Sustainably sourced of course as it has a sticker on it saying so.
      The Latte that is.
      
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      March 7, 2021 3:09pm
- Jimbob
  
  Climate change green delusionist are a virus on society.
  
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  March 7, 2021 11:10am
- crikey
  
  These whack-jobs are not there for the betterment of Wellington, rather for their own agendas and personal aggrandisement.
  
  All furthering the decline of Wellington started under the “leadership” of the bike-riding Green mayor.
  
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  March 7, 2021 11:20am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I heard one of the WC Councillors on radio the other day grimly asserting that Wellington had to have not just a rebuilt facility but it must be a “world class library.”
    So what makes a library “world class”?
    In a small, dull, self-absorbed town in NZ?
    
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    March 7, 2021 4:33pm
- I will not surrender
  
  Similarly, the Nelson bureaucracy wants to spend $50-100 million on a new library.
  
  Unbelievable.
  
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  March 7, 2021 11:50am
  - rockape
    
    Libraries are so last century.
    
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    March 7, 2021 1:20pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Were else can they put all there “Under performers.”.
    
    It will need diversity work groups, CEO”s and
    enviromental consultants.
    
    Working groups to work out what books you are allowed to read.
    
    Gee wonder why our productivity is way down.
    
    The mind does boggle.
    
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    March 7, 2021 4:03pm
Paulus Gnome

Auckland unleashed!

The question is, for how long before the socialists need to remind us who is in charge?
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March 7, 2021 8:08am
- kowtow
  
  Editorial of said city having a go at a couple of pastors , instead of the Muppets who locked down a whole city instead of a suburb…….or just let everyone get on with life but do a shit load of testing and tracing ……..
  
  But clearly the Muppet Show ain’t up to the “gold standard”
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:10am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Some have confused her as Mrs Trudeau, but surely the spouse of Daniel Andrews would be more appropriate.
  
  Anyway, hasn’t aotearoa’s msm indicated the citizenry is tiring of her messaging? An image reset may be imminent
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:14am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Suze: She’ll probably go for a new ‘hairstyle’ soon. That will sort things out with the sheeple.
    
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    March 7, 2021 11:17am
    - RightFirstTime
      
      When’s the wedding?
      
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      March 7, 2021 12:06pm
- redeye
  
  Can anyone explain why the South Island needed to stay on level 2 until this morning. It makes no sense. There hasn’t been as much as a sniffle reported down here for months.
  The Nelson market was closed again yesterday. We have a reseller there who for the second week in a row was unable to earn an income for his staff and family. I imagine that was the same for Saturday market holders right across the Island.
  Keep it up Cindy, you’re quickly squandering your flacky support down here.
  
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  March 7, 2021 11:35am
  - lifesgood
    
    Well, well, well, the South Island morons who voted for the said flakey nobody are learning their lesson. Can’t help but laugh, sorry.
    
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    March 7, 2021 1:20pm
  - Nickc2
    
    You are lucky, in Auckland, we got blamed for the action(s) of a couple of people who did as they were told or not told whichever is appropriate. Millions of Dollars per day times seven fucking days. All this and we are supposed to be thankful we have this …………….. as our PM.
    Get real!
    
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    March 7, 2021 1:33pm
I remember when

Slovakia, which boasts Europe’s lowest covid deaths per capita, is a pioneer in embracing a public transparency register that lists all beneficiaries of companies that want government contracts.
New Zealand, the best performing country on Transparency International’s Corruption Perceptions Index, has been successful in controlling the pandemic.
As has Singapore, Asia’s most transparent nation.
So if you want lower covid-19 deaths it appears you only have to be honest.
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March 7, 2021 8:11am
- sooty
  
  Nah, never work here! Cindy would never allow it!
  
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  March 7, 2021 9:58am
  - Nickc2
    
    She wouldn’t allow it because:
    1. It’s an alien concept to her and
    2. She couldn’t lead by example.
    
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    March 7, 2021 10:22am
- emmess
  
  Or completely dishonest and report fake numbers like China
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:32am
- Master Mariner
  
  Both all smoke and mirrors.
  
  Don’t believe that nonsense. All NGO’s and UN agencies have lost all crediability a long time ago.
  
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  March 7, 2021 3:04pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Actually I’d have to say that Eastern European Block as being the most educated.
  
  Czech, Slovakia and Hungary.
  
  Maybe something in it.
  
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  March 7, 2021 4:09pm
krazykiwi

Dilbert-cartoon creator Scott Adams makes this observation on page 13 of his book Loserthink:

One thing I can say with complete certainty is that it is a bad idea to trust the majority of experts in any domain in which both complexity and large amounts of money are involved.

Very astute.
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March 7, 2021 8:17am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Scott Adams is a treasure, and I remain pleasantly surprised that he hasn’t been deplatformed and run out of town on a rail.
  
  Like his cartoons, his statements should cause people to pause and think. WRT “climate change” he’s bang on the money.
  
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  March 7, 2021 8:20am
  - oldfella
    
    Lodden, you mean THIS kind of climate change?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwIHCXjJxr8&ab_channel=CDN
    
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    March 7, 2021 8:24am
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    He’s OK. However, the reason he hasn’t been run out of town is because he doesn’t say anything that is unacceptable to the people who have the power to do so. Like, for instance the “conservatives” who populate The Daily Wire, or Dave Rubin, or Denis Prager and others, Scott Adams is very much within the four squares of acceptable debate.
    
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    March 7, 2021 8:41am
  - sooty
    
    I think you could safely add in politicians and councillors into that quote!
    Edit. In NZ case, NGO governing bodies aswell!
    
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    March 7, 2021 9:07am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Great cartoonist and humourist, but has extremely odd ideas on many topics.
  
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  March 7, 2021 8:37am
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    Your last clause sounds autobiographical, the first personally aspirational, mike.
    
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    March 7, 2021 10:41am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  When very large amounts are involved, the decision makers will get the best experts whose opinions money can buy.
  
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  March 7, 2021 8:41am
- SB2
  
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  Coming from you would suggest that Scott Adams is also a bit of a bore .
  
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  March 7, 2021 9:03am
  - SB2
    
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    There is a delicious irony in Scot Adams book “untrains Brains” in the former age of Trump.
    
    Think about it !
    
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    March 7, 2021 9:20am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The book is entitled:
      Loserthink
      
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      March 7, 2021 12:59pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Which is why the Climate Change Commission is so dangerous. It wants to phase out gas when it is booming internationally. By 2030 there would literally by no gas barbeques. Of course unintended consequences. People will turn to charcoal. Nobody uses electric barbeques and no chef cooks with electricity.
  
  Then they are recommending reductions in our dairy and beef herds. The output of which will instantly be taken up by other countries.
  
  To make things worse, Jacinda shows no sign that she understands her Government’s climate change policies, especially the flag ship emissions trading scheme. She never refers to it and I would wager a large sum that she could not explain it.
  
  Somewhat of a tangent… Recently Wayne Mapp defended Jacinda’s communication skills, noting that she was a champion school debater. That may be so. She is articulate if she controls the agenda. But she falls apart if she faces even moderate questioning which shows that she is not across evidence or analysis. So she can recite endless rhetoric about climate change. But she has never demonstrates that she understands the science, and in particular the economics of climate change. Or even her government’s own policies! That is a dangerous flaw.
  
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  March 7, 2021 9:04am
  - nathie
    
    Absolutely brilliantly well said!
    
    And ‘jeez wayne’, since when did being a ‘champion school debater’ best define the attributes of a Prime Minister?
    
    The best attributes are what you highlight as being missing, BY, and your description of these adding up to being a dangerous flaw are spot on!
    
    But back to champion school debating, in debating one is arguing to advance a position or cause etc (whether it is factually the correct position or cause to take or not), and that’s exactly what we see from our Prime Minister, someone advancing causes (such as disbanding ‘clean natural gas’) that are at odds with the facts (higher energy costs for consumers, under-capacity infrastructure requiring major investment which will take a long time, more imported energy including from less regulated countries, global transportation to NZ, more global emissions as a result that outweigh NZ’s CC ‘savings’) but as ‘champion debaters’ they are at their best which is selling us, the public, their version of ‘propaganda’* to believe in, get behind and support (*as JA inadvertently put it the other day)!
    
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    March 7, 2021 11:13am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      And when she is pushed into a corner all she has is “I refute that.”
      
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      March 7, 2021 11:41am
      - lifesgood
        
        Meaning of refute: to prove a statement or theory to be wrong or false, to disprove. So our immature woolly headed PM constantly says “I refute that” but then she doesn’t.
        
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        March 7, 2021 1:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        She clearly doesn’t know the meaning of the word.
        
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        March 7, 2021 1:55pm
    - kowtow
      
      I refuse to buy the Media created theme of her being “the great communicador” , or great anything for that madder .
      
      She’s an empty suit , pushed into a role she wasn’t qualified for .
      
      My evidence .
      
      On the very first day that she was on the campaign trail after the rolling of unelectable Little , she was asked about that days’ reserve bank interest rate meeting.
      
      She wasn’t aware that it was on ,and she said she’d get back to them.
      
      Someone up for the top job should have been aware of the big agenda items of the day , and she wasn’t.
      
      The Media Pardy gave her a free pass on that.Had she been a conservative candiadte they would have crucified her lack of knowldege of the big issues and like they did to Brash , make her unelectable.
      
      The rest is history and she’s still being touted heavily by them as Princess Kindness.
      
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      March 7, 2021 12:06pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      Can someone please attach a link to Ardern’s recent ‘propaganda’ comment. I missed it… mainly because I avoid watching the MSM news. Cheers
      
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      March 7, 2021 1:02pm
      - nathie
        
        Here’s a range of reporting:
        https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2021/03/peter-williams–jacinda-ardern-admits-it-s–propaganda-.html
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/124398980/covid19-angry-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-tongue-lashes-covid19-cases-for-letting-down-team-of-five-million
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/124400849/jacinda-ardern-is-a-great-communicator-but-clearly-not-everyones-listening
        
        Strangely enough the PM ‘disappeared’ for a few days after that Monday press conference (and slip of the tongue), reappearing Friday.
        
        And from last year, the ‘propaganda’ machine behind the scenes!
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/john-armstrong-jacinda-ardern-utilising-taxpayer-generated-revenue-in-order-run-propaganda-unit
        
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        March 7, 2021 1:56pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        “We drum in that messaging around the dangers of COVID pretty diligently for a full two-week period of sustained propaganda,” Ardern said.
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/03/it-s-easy-to-blame-a-21-year-old-judith-collins-david-seymour-say-government-also-at-fault-for-covid-19-outbreak.html
        
        https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2021/03/peter-williams–jacinda-ardern-admits-it-s–propaganda-.html
        
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        March 7, 2021 2:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Talking of schoolgirl debaters…
      Now here was a World Champion debater:
      
      https://www.debating.org.nz/2009/05/30/prime-ministers-function-for-world-champion-new-zealand-schools-debating-team/
      
      https://www.marsden.school.nz/about/stories/maria-wants-to-give-back/
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/48957/MPs-daughter-puts-English-skills-to-good-use
      
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      March 7, 2021 1:09pm
  - I remember when
    
    In the last Labour term Jacinda seldom was asked a question that Winston couldn’t protect her from during QT.
    
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    March 7, 2021 11:47am
  - Manu-Rau
    
    Having had the joyous experience of doing a Platoon Commander course in Waiouru with Wayne Mapp in August 1986, I would rather suck crushed glass through a straw than listen to his opinions on anything.
    
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    March 8, 2021 4:07am
- MCos
  
  If Wikipedia is correct, and that can often be a long shot, he changes his mind so regularly that he might not think that anymore.
  
  Today on Twitter
  “Pause a moment to appreciate that all of humanity pulled together to kick the pandemic’s ass, and as of today it seems certain we will succeed.
  Apparently the #GoldenAge was testing us to see if we are worthy.
  We passed.”
  
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  March 7, 2021 9:55am
- kiwibird
  
  “One thing I can say with complete certainty is that it is a bad idea to trust the majority of experts in any domain in which both complexity and large amounts of money are involved.
  
  and that quote currently applies to pest control in NZ.
  
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  March 7, 2021 12:27pm
oldfella

This new health alert just turned up in my inbox. I fear many on here will already be afflicted.

We’re still battling ? COVID-19 ?, and the next thing is here already ? ??
The *NILE Virus, type C*
Virologists have identified a new Nile virus – type C.
It appears to target those who were born between 1940 & 1970
Symptoms:
1. Causes you to send the same message twice.
2. Causes you to send a blank message
3. Causes you to send a message to the wrong person.
4. Causes you to send it back to the person who sent it to you.
5. Causes you to forget to attach the attachment.
6. Causes you to hit SEND before you’ve finished.
7. Causes you to hit DELETE instead of SEND.
8. Causes you to SEND when you should DELETE.
It is called the *C-NILE* virus!
And if you can’t admit to doing the above, you’ve obviously caught the mutated strain —
The *D-NILE* virus.

🙂
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March 7, 2021 8:20am
oldfella

These guys are always good for a Sunday chuckle with their weekly take on US politics. Made me laugh, anyway.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/03/the-week-in-pictures-peak-stupidity-edition.php
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March 7, 2021 8:22am
Ruahine

L2 today of the Gov’ts created hysteria. I would like to thank all those people in Sth Auckland who rushed along to the Covid testing stations hoping that they would test positive so that Ardern using the power of the gov’t keep us at L3.
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March 7, 2021 8:22am
- MCos
  
  Go back to sleep.
  
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  March 7, 2021 9:59am
- hullkiwi
  
  This afternoon we observed why Jax called the L3 lockdown. Given the volume of traffic heading down the Mike Lee’s “Holiday Highway” towards Auckland, all loaded up with luggage for a week away plus bikes on the back and surfboards on the roofes of cars, the lockdown was clearly called to help boost the economy of Northland. And although I haven’t seen it, I bet the same applied to the Waikato/Coromandel region.
  
  In most worlds you couldn’t make this stuff up, but in the world of Jax, these things are a different matter.
  
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  March 7, 2021 4:45pm
Happychappy

We have had Jacinda Ardern, Phil Twyford,Megan Woods and Grant Robertson condemning the National Government on housing.
This before 2017 and then after the Labour Coalition took power , but now they control New Zealand after a massive win in 2020 with the largest ever majority the still can’t come up with any solution to fix the problem.
On the 24th of November 2020 the news was Grant Robertson has taken significant steps in the Government’s quest to address soaring house prices by lobbying the Reserve Bank to change its mandate.
Then on the 9th of February 2021 the Finance Minister signalled a crack down on Property Speculators with a proposal curb house prices inflation that would go before Cabinet shortly.
Then on the 26th of February 2021 the Finance Minister says the Government needs to use all the economic tools available to try to control escalating house prices and yet recent Real Estate Institute – REINZ had nationwide medium prices up 19 percent in 2021 – 13 timesfaster than inflation most of that coming in between June and December 2020 rents also increased faster than inflation but nowhere near as much.
Both increases came as the Country experienced it’s deepest recession in decades.
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March 7, 2021 8:30am
oldfella

The horrid has a story (behind a paywall, and I ain’t paying), titled:
“The Covid 19 coronavirus ‘rule-breakers’: Were Case M and Case L falsely accused?”
Hmmm, without seeing the content, I reckon that the horrid will exonerate Glorious Leader and find her not guilty of being anything but over zealous/kindly in her desire to protect the team of blah, blah, million.
Am I wrong?
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March 7, 2021 8:34am
- TWEEDSE
  
  No your not wrong. to summarise, Spindy good. South Auckland family bad. Nothing to see here. Let’s all move along. Lock down, what lock down. Oh look, a tsunami. Bugger.
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:49am
Pongo

Andrea Vance nails it https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/124444115/covid19-vaccine-rollout-is-a-secretive-sluggish-spinfest

Why do we the public know absolutely zero about the vaccine rollout, every other country has near total transparency where as we get to know whats going on when it suits our PR obsessed PM thinks it works best for her.
We are late, slow and being kept in the dark about this vaccine and our media have done a piss poor job in demanding answers.
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March 7, 2021 8:38am
- Apropos of the Wet Snow
  
  If I were forced, I’m going to insist upon a mail-out ‘rona shot. They can trust me, as mail-out Covid vaccine fraud is impossible. It’s a perfectly robust system, if a little outside normal in-person procedures.
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:01am
- RockyJ
  
  I would like someone in the media to ask “who made the decision NZ was going to be down the list for the vaccine and what was the reason?”
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:15am
- Ruahine
  
  Perhaps Vance has been on this website.
  
  https://covid-vaccine.healthdirect.gov.au/eligibility
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:32am
- Yvette
  
  Pongo
  If, as some overseas sources suggest, vaccination may become an annual requirement like ‘flu shots, is it likely everyone in New Zealand wanting the vaccination will have actually have had it, before it is time to start vaccinating them all again – like the poor buggers painting the Forth Bridge or the Golden Gate?
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:48am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Surely the sensible thing to do would have been to team up with Australia in vaccine procurement. It is not as though jacinda has pissed off Scomo every chance she gets. Oops….
  
  The vaccine rollout will be a cluster f**l just because. Because that is what happens every time the government tries to DELIVER. Note “deliver” excludes wasting mountains of money, regulating farmers to death, and a firehose of welfare money. “Delivery” is what Steven Joyce used to do.
  
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  March 7, 2021 11:07am
- redflagged
  
  There’s a plan?
  
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  March 7, 2021 1:13pm
- alloytoo
  
  Israel has pretty much finished it’s vaccine roll out.
  
  Have we officially begun?
  
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  March 7, 2021 4:46pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Clearly you haven’t seen the latest poster poisoned behind Jax and St Ash at their press conferences.
  
  It is a black & white poster, with a stylised picture of a vaccine vile and the latest slogan promenantly saying “Together Protecting Aotearoa”.
  
  The mind think is there, just be careful.
  
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  March 7, 2021 4:52pm
Ruahine

I will just put this up again in case anyone missed it. Nobody seems to have any common sense these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22wWMm0l1T4
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March 7, 2021 8:47am
Souvlaki

Message to National/ Collins &Shane Reti:
Please set alarm to wake up! Why are you not over this like a rash?
This is a strong line of legitimate attack…..get ONTO IT PLEASE!?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/124444115/covid19-vaccine-rollout-is-a-secretive-sluggish-spinfest?cid=app-android
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March 7, 2021 8:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They are not all over this because someone might be offended. National = Labour Lite
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:16am
- Unity
  
  I believe it is because the media won’t pick up any of their Press releases. Makes sense as to why we are not hearing anything of substance from them.
  
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  March 7, 2021 6:45pm
oldfella

YOU’RE NOT TRANS, YOU’RE JUST WEIRD.
This hypothetically open letter was originally posted by its anonymous author on Medium and was rapidly removed as “hate speech.” Another site picked it up as a refreshing dose of honesty, a charming and relatable open letter from one parent to other parents about dealing with a challenging and dangerous moment in raising children, especially “weird” adolescents who search for their identities harder than others and risk making life-damaging mistakes in a way never before possible.
https://newdiscourses.com/2021/03/youre-not-trans-youre-just-weird/
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March 7, 2021 8:50am
- graham
  
  100%. I don’t deny that there may well be *SOME* kids who are genuinely trans, but I strongly suspect there are a hell of a lot more who are just weird, confused, unsure – in other words, stock-standard teenagers. And I think in the years to come, there will be a lot of those kids who got convinced they were trans by well-meaning people looking back with a lot of regret.
  
  I truly believe that there will ultimately come a time when we look back on this particular aspect of this little blink in the timeline of history with horror at what we as a society did to our kids.
  
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  March 7, 2021 8:58pm
Apropos of the Wet Snow

Great article from Pat Buchanan on the so-called “domestic terrorism” threat posed by Trump supporters, while the actual domestic terrorism perpetrated by the radical leftists is ignored. Pat choses his words carefully and attenuates the message a little, but still a generally well made case.

https://archive.aweber.com/brigade/C07pF/h/_BRIGADE_PJB_Who_Really_Imperils.htm
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March 7, 2021 8:51am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Is he still alive?
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:08am
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    Yes, unlike like your boy Joe “Weekend at” Biden(s).
    
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    March 7, 2021 10:37am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      And is he still talking up Hitler?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill,_Hitler_and_the_Unnecessary_War#Reviews
      
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      March 7, 2021 10:58am
      - Apropos of the Wet Snow
        
        Is saying that the US and Britain should not have joined the war to save a 90% German city in Poland, and let Germany and Russia fight it out to the death, thereby avoiding great casualties “talking up Hitler?” Britain declared war on Germany, not vice versa.
        
        It’s actually a compelling argument:
        
        “Once these despotisms had exhausted themselves, the Western democracies would have been left dominating Europe. The lives of millions of Western civilians and soldiers would have been spared”
        
        Naturally, as your article shows, a few Jewish commentators think that this would have been “anti-Semitic,” but then again, getting out of bed the wrong way comes under that deliberately ill-defined term. As Buchanan is American, isn’t it to be expected that he would think in terms of what is good for his country, first and foremost?
        
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        March 7, 2021 11:23am
      - Batman
        
        It certainly makes Buchanan and you look fairly stupid, that’s for sure.
        
        Further appeasement while hoping for a good outcome would have resulted in the same result as previously. The literal definition of insanity.
        
        Not diverting scarce German resources into the war against the western Allies would have allowed a rapid acceleration of the genocide of European Jews.
        
        To seriously argue in this day and age for staying out of the war is to largely give a green light to full-scale genocide.
        
        Are you sure you want to do that?
        
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        March 7, 2021 11:47am
      - Apropos of the Wet Snow
        
        Did the Western nations feel compelled to intervene when the Bolsheviks were doing a similar thing a few years earlier in Russia? Why not?
        
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        March 7, 2021 12:15pm
      - SB2
        
        The Boshies were doing their purges within Russia. The Nazi Genocide of Jews in occupied Poland, Eastern Europe and Russia.
        
        There!
        
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        March 7, 2021 1:02pm
      - Apropos of the Wet Snow
        
        “The Boshies (sic) were doing their purges within Russia. The Nazi Genocide of Jews in occupied Poland, Eastern Europe and Russia.”
        
        So what? 1st, the Western Allies didn’t enter the war, at least primarily, to stop the genocide of Jews. It was primarily to liberate occupied nations. 2nd, neither Poland, Eastern Europe or Russia are part of Britain or America, so why would those nations get involved in those places, as equally as in the case of the Bolsheviks murderous revolutionary campaign? No, the actual reason intervention occurred (again, as only one reason) in the one case, yet not in the other, is obvious if you think about it for even 5 minutes.
        
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        March 7, 2021 1:30pm
      - Mike
        
        England and France went to war in 1939 for the same reason as in 1914 – the German menace to a peaceful Europe.
        
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        March 7, 2021 2:02pm
      - SB2
        
        Apropos of the Wet Snow,
        
        A few salient facts will help
        
        1. Britain ( and Empire ) and France etc didn’t enter the war until Hitler invaded Poland. 3/09/39. That marked their declation of war on Hitler.
        
        2, Hitler invaded Russia 6/06/ 41
        
        3. Japan attacked Pear Harbour 6/11/41
        
        $. Hitler declared War on America and the rest is history as they say
        
        The genocide proper of the Jews, Roma did not begin till 1941 with SS Special action squads following behind the invading Wehrmacht murdering Jews ( obviously under the highest of secrecy )
        
        Evidence? Nazi records gathered from Bletchley Park intercepts , demographics, eyewitness bystander accounts, other documents, film , photos etc , etc
        
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        March 7, 2021 3:04pm
Frank the tank

Our decent to a third world shithole is almost complete. This morning no articles about how this whole lockdown was a cockup just feel good horseshit that yay we are L2. Like we should be grateful FFS.

Of course a story about the Blairite responding to a 12yrs letter from Ireland. I’ll stop at evidently a 12yr foreign national being more important than the great unwashed of (little) Aotearoa.

Either the opposition (both National and Act) are being ignored or are as feckless as the 4th estate – I haven’t made up my mind. Either way at present they are both as useful as 2 left shoes.

We have a housing market out of control, major import supply issues, a deteriorating relationship with Australia, lack of plan around both the economy and the vaccine rollout, decaying infrastructure (harbour bridge) and now we can’t even complete transmission gully because of a contractor shortage.

On this basis apparently the lingerie model cum newsreader’s skin cancer news is the most important article on the horrid and Maori fathers being the best in the world in Stuffed.

And the worst part approx 60% of the population are really happy with our situation. There is nothing we can realistically do to stop the rot. We might as well ask if Meghan and Harry want to become our King and Queen to complete the humiliation of this once great country.
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March 7, 2021 8:52am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Also complete silence from the MSM about the outrage of whole towns and cities being evacuated because of the threat of a 30 cm tsunami caused by an earthquake several hours previous and a thousand kilometres away.
  
  Not a word about why don’t we have better systems for measuring and assessing the reality of these events.
  
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  March 7, 2021 4:17pm
Inandout

Couldn’t happen here….umm, yes it could.
https://trends.gab.com/item/6043db6ab3450733e1701590
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March 7, 2021 8:52am
Jack5

Mmm … was this a fishy voter at the last election?

For a second time I’ve had a letter from the Electoral Commission.

It’s addressed to a person purportedly at my address plus an “A”, which would normally mean a back section or a flat or such.

There is no such dwelling with suffix “A”, and the postie’s put it in my letter box.

So no such address, and at the nearest address if it were a simple mistake, no such person.

The first time I returned the letter, unopened of course, to the Electoral Commission. Now I’m doing the same with the second letter.

I didn’t note the name of the addressee in the first letter, so I don’t know if the name in the second letter is the same.

Anyone aware of other similar letters going out?
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March 7, 2021 9:21am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Might be helpful to note ‘no such address’ on the envelope before you send it back.
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:10am
  - Observer of Life
    
    MnM: That would be like the 6 or so letters from ASB arriving in my box, me writing RTS – no such person at this address – yet they still keep coming. Works a treat these days.
    
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    March 7, 2021 1:39pm
    - Batman
      
      I’m gonna go out and a limb and suggest that the Electoral Commission has more interest in correcting addresses than an Australian bank
      
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      March 7, 2021 1:45pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Bat: Really? See my comments below about my eldest getting papers from the EC.
        
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        March 7, 2021 1:56pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just wait until we get the Dominion Voting Machines
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:18am
  - peterwn
    
    The machines work fine. It is the Homo Sapiens involved with them which is the problem.
    Luckily NZ would have no need for the 600 lever voting machine that has been developed.
    
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    March 7, 2021 10:30am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The machines seemed designed for the dodgy. I expect we haven’t heard the last about them yet.
      
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      March 7, 2021 1:43pm
      - Mike
        
        Or about the morons Dominion are suing…
        
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        March 7, 2021 2:05pm
- rockape
  
  hang on to them, it may give you 2 votes at the next election.
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:23am
  - Pharmachick
    
    His name is Jack5… not Martin/Martyn
    
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    March 7, 2021 12:54pm
- Observer of Life
  
  Jack: Our oldest received a letter just prior to the election (all details correct) telling him he hadn’t enrolled, yet prior to that he got his voting papers! Hmmm..
  
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  March 7, 2021 1:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The elite folk making $$$$ from Climate change

https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2021/03/04/climate_policy_is_a_money-making_opportunity_for_the_elite_766755.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true&s=03
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March 7, 2021 9:23am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Mammon worshippers huh!
  
  Even Bob Marley’s merchandise site has succumbed to Babylon – big time…
  
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  March 7, 2021 9:48am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Ah, the ‘the climate-finance oligarchy’! Very sinister.
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:11am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well, I can’t help the fact that you choose to keep yourself uninformed about what’s going on in the Carbon-market.
    
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    March 7, 2021 11:26am
    - Mike
      
      All part of the gigantic scam by the global elites seeking to control the world.
      Wake up, sheeple!
      
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      March 7, 2021 2:07pm
- doublehappy
  
  The rich get rich and the poor get poorer, ain’t it all a f***ing shame.
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:13am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I like the reference to “Green Tyranny”.
  
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  March 7, 2021 1:45pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Here’s a review of it:
    https://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?id=1363
    
    Darwall stresses that the point of Greens—especially those at the top—is NOT to fix environmental problems but to make them permanent so that the green lobby will be able to raise ever-rising contributions from do-gooders and/or earn massive subsidizes and profits from taxpayer largesse. Their ultimate goal, he warns, is to utterly subvert democracy by proposing top-down “solutions” to exaggerated problems, replacing the electorate’s will and interests with their own.
    
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    March 7, 2021 1:52pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      As Greenpeace has been operating and exploiting for decades.
      
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      March 7, 2021 4:20pm
- I remember when
  
  So that is why the Greens are able to say that ‘climate change’ is backed by business leaders.
  And I thought it was because they had studied all the facts and come to a scientific decision.
  
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  March 7, 2021 2:00pm
doggone7

Is it a good idea to trust those with large amounts of money whose only expertise is making large amounts of money? Should they automatically be credited with expertise and wisdom on almost all facets of life?
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March 7, 2021 9:25am
The Other Enoch

I see that Andrea Vance is turning. At long last one of the higher profile chournolists is calling out the government for incompetence and mendacity.Let’s hope others follow.Opps! Forgot about the $55m
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March 7, 2021 9:27am
- rockape
  
  Andrea Vance is the last person I would want to associate with.
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:24am
  - Inandout
    
    rock, the ‘common sense man’ wanted to.
    
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    March 7, 2021 12:05pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Millie Dowler
    
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    March 7, 2021 12:55pm
- Happychappy
  
  I don’t think it worries Adrea Vance if she gets a world wide trip with our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, but the likes of Clare Trevett and Audry Young would be heart broken if they didn’t get to play the motherly figure to Jacinda. You only have to look at the fawning articles they have posted about The Prime Minister to realize how far they are willing g to go .
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is one that you really want to social distance from
  
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  March 7, 2021 11:02am
Fletch

The crisis at the U.S border .
Mark Levin goes OFF on the subject yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_evOOLx63vE

There’s a CRISIS in the U.S at the moment and we hear NOTHING about it in our local media. The illegal border crossing, the $2 trillion “relief fund” which has little to do with Covid and is a payout to blue states, the HR1 bill that the House has just passed that enshrines illegal voting and takes away the rights of states to run their elections. And it’s all by intent. The Democrats WANT illegals in the country to vote for them. They want to turn Texas blue.

The whole of America is falling apart.
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March 7, 2021 9:38am
- Batman
  
  The Covid relief package has a popularity of about 70% with the US public.
  
  The conservative ploy of immediately switching to talking about the borders again is a pure squirrel, designed to provide talking point cover for the absolute rejection of modern GOP orthodoxy by the general public.
  
  https://morningconsult.com/2021/02/24/covid-stimulus-support-poll/
  
  As for your theories about voting, it’s nice that you’ve come out in full support of gerrymandering and vote suppression measures. Your comment about turning Texas blue gives you away, you believe it should be red and any measure to stop that is fine by you.
  
  Heck, the GOP admitted it in court this week, that giving people access to vote puts the GOP at a competitive disadvantage as Republicans simply do not have the numbers to win without redrawing districts to engineer wins, while making it harder for anyone other than white Republicans to vote.
  
  The sad little line about the rights of states to run their elections is the same thinking which was invented to prevent the lifting of Jim Crow, or desegregation.
  
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  March 7, 2021 12:01pm
  - Inandout
    
    Bat, you are quite a one sided person. Nothing the Dems do is for the good of the US, it is designed for the ‘business as usual’ crowd.
    
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    March 7, 2021 12:08pm
Don Beckett

Nobody out of bed yet, or are the mods a bit slow this morning after celebrating change of bullshit covid levels?
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March 7, 2021 9:48am
- Apropos of the Wet Snow
  
  I regularly spend several hours in moderation, no matter what day it is. You get used to it. It gives me a chance to visit other blogs though. They have become like the 6 year old Women’s Weeklies one encounters in a doctors waiting room.
  
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  March 7, 2021 9:58am
  - Paulus
    
    I also – since whenever some past years I have everything not entered awaiting moderation.
    But I am used to it, so it doesn’t matter – gives me a feeling of self importance.
    
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    March 7, 2021 10:58am
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

It might have been missed by many who have listened to the prime minster’s waffly Covid lockdown pressers. For the third time now during these stand ups the prime minister as said that “this week I received a letter from…” Friday’s reference to a letter was this time from a mother whose child wanted to attended a school camp.

Undoubtedly the prime minister probably does receive mail from the public, but it’s what the mentioning of the letters tells us. Arden is approachable. She takes the time to read every letter written to her (she even has time to read letters?). She cares. She is the benevolent mother figure of the nation. She uses feelings to lead. Most of all it does show she cares and this continues to develop that scary cult of personality that continues to evolve around her. Her “bugger” comment, gosh she is one of the people. How endearing. Of course while the cult develops around the prime minister to almost alarming levels of cult worship seen in many post-war European leaders, it’s role is to show Arden is kind and cares while Collins is just an old nasty Nat from the Nasty Party.

Good tactic by Labour’s spin team. And of course these letters actually exist?
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March 7, 2021 9:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She’s a formulaic trick pony.
  
  Her performance has:
  become predictable,
  worn thin,
  is out-dated,
  is boring,
  is insincere,
  
  Just another middle-aged nag going blah, blah, blah in the background of our daily life.
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:22am
  - Martin Williams
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Perfect description of Judith Collins.
    
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    March 7, 2021 10:28am
    - kevn
      
      @marty… cindy fan boi then ?
      
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      March 7, 2021 11:06am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Do you have a comprehension problem also Martin?
      
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      March 7, 2021 11:27am
      - SB2
        
        “Her performance has:
        become predictable,
        worn thin,
        is out-dated,
        is boring,
        is insincere,..”
        
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        March 7, 2021 3:18pm
    - I remember when
      
      When I’m riding shotgun
      Underneath the hot sun
      
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      March 7, 2021 1:41pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    The way I see it Maggy, Jacinda is now like the worn out recording of a favorite song.
    
    I hear that her personal management team has begun transforming her into a woman who likes piña coladas and gettin’ caught in the rain – she’s not into yoga and has half a brain. She likes makin’ love at midnight in the dunes on the cape – and she’s now planning her escape…
    
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    March 7, 2021 11:44am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It’s like we’re stuck on a loop in deja-vu land getting
      TV3 re-runs from the 1970s.
      
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      March 7, 2021 1:17pm
- Sacha
  
  “She is the benevolent mother figure of the nation.”
  Oh yeah?
  No wonder so many want to leave home, and she is keeping us under her thumb –
  
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  March 7, 2021 11:53am
- Ruahine
  
  It will exist. Just get a Karen to write one.
  
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  March 7, 2021 11:55am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  “Mother of the Nation”. You mean like Winnie Mandela?
  
  I’m not sure that that’s the look she’s going for.
  
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  March 7, 2021 6:50pm
Jack5

Eighteen guards monitoring Brenton Harrison Tarrant!

Perhaps the two country cops who brought him in alive could secure him in their local station’s cell at fraction of the current cost of keeping Tarrant secure – $2.77 million a year.

How the Herald describe’s Tarrant’s routine:

“The officers see him but they don’t have a conversation with him. He reads and watches the officers watching him – that’s all they do. They watch him on their monitors and take notes,” the [Herald] source said.

Corrections would not provide information on how many visitors (including family) Tarrant has had and who has been writing to him or how many times he has seen a psychiatrist.

“Like all people in prison, this individual receives three meals per day at times determined by the unit’s schedule. Additionally, he is able to access television for a limited number of hours daily, has approved books to read if he chooses, and has access to his exercise yard twice daily,” said Leota [Corrections National Commissioner Rachel Leota].

Tarrant deserves to be locked away until he dies, but the luvvies who trumpet prisoner rights, emphasise reformation over punishment, and sing the United Nations judgments on New Zealand, need to be aware of the Mandela Rules on Punishment.

These are the UN’s “standard minimum rules for the treatment of prisoners:”

Rule 43 includes a ban on indefinite solitary confinement and prolonged solitary confinement.

Fair enough to ignore that for Tarrant, but in return let’s not have so much righteous trumpeting of various UN groups’ judgment of NZ.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-mosque-shooter-brenton-tarrant-and-two-dangerous-criminals-in-special-prison-within-a-prison/VASTF2OXBRS5SEF3H2ZALD6SKI/
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March 7, 2021 10:00am
- sooty
  
  Probably shifter roster, something like.
  4 on duty,
  4 sleeping,
  4 on days off,
  2 on holidays.
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:20am
- peterwn
  
  Seems to me a job creation scheme – six ‘management’ staff to supervise other staff for just 3 prisoners! If I was in the Government’s shoes I would release him after 10 years (80% of the purposes of the Sentencing Act would have been fulfilled) and deport him to Oz. ScoMo (or his successor) can hardly complain.
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:38am
- Inandout
  
  ‘They watch him on their monitors and take notes’.
  Taking notes..
  https://images.says.com/uploads/story_source/source_image/543116/6c22.jpg
  
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  March 7, 2021 12:12pm
Inandout

You gotta laugh at these polls, the man is rarely seen.
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/6042a9e05db3705aa0abac80
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March 7, 2021 10:10am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The high approval rating for Biden might simply indicate Americans’ preference for a leader who keeps quiet when he has nothing in particular to say, as opposed to a leader yelling insults and lies every day.
  
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  March 7, 2021 11:08am
  - Batman
    
    And with the stimulus passing today there is probably a lot more polling pain coming for the denizens of Gab and Fox/OAN
    
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    March 7, 2021 12:03pm
    - Inandout
      
      Bat, don’t forget Crowder. That show is very funny at exposing Dem stupidity.
      
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      March 7, 2021 12:14pm
- Nickc2
  
  Votes for the invisible man?
  
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  March 7, 2021 1:02pm
Justitia

Remember Esperanto? That’s right! You thought this harmless pastime of UN one-worlders and the bewildered wearers of walk socks with roman sandals had gone the way of the crimplene suit.

I’m pleased to confirm a revised version has made a stunning comeback and enjoys a growing and powerful following in the blessed isles of Aotearoa. That’s right, it’s “Maori Esperanto” (TM). You too can be a success like your favourite propaganda functionary on Radio NZ or the TV “News” simply by scattering random Te Reo expressions wherever you like throughout any paragraph, sentence or phrase that comes to mind. Don’t worry if nobody understands you, that’s the point. Just soak up the Aroha. Tena Kotoo to all and good luck.
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March 7, 2021 11:01am
- Jack5
  
  Two million people speak Esperanto, according to Wikipedia. Helluva lot more than speak Maori.
  
  As far as constructed languages go, Klingon seems to attract more interest at the moment. It’s where the humour is, as you can see when you read Klingon’s Wikipedia entry.
  
  Maori rights activists might be interested to know that CBS Television Studios owns the Klingon language.
  
  If they can prove that modern, written Maori is a constructed language, they might consider invoicing State Radio, State TV, and the subsidised print media for use of Maori words.
  
  Klingon is the language of an imaginary alien species. The NZ authority on alien species, Rawiri Waititi, might suggest these also are languages of aliens: English, German, French, Spanish, Russian, Polish, Greek, Swedish, Italian, Portuguese.
  
  Here’s the Bing Translator Klingon version of “free speech for ever”: neghpu’ jay’!
  
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  March 7, 2021 12:17pm
  - Justitia
    
    Excellent proposal!
    
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    March 7, 2021 1:08pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I agree with you. Please tell me, when Cindy’s doing her preaching from the podium-of-truth stuff, Is the guy/guyess doing the signing doing it in English or Te Reo? Just curious.
    
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    March 7, 2021 1:10pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Jack: Koovark
    
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    March 7, 2021 1:44pm
JibberJabber

Oh dear, Peter might get a spanking from Helen for this one…maybe that’s endgame anyway?
The casual patronising bigotry of the Left,

Helen Clarks husband says.
“Maori are all morbidly fat”

https://twitter.com/EvilArthurFleck/status/1368293220774334464

They just can’t help themselves.
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March 7, 2021 11:22am
- I remember when
  
  Peter’s article in the Dominion on the problem Pharmac has with getting credit for their performance probably not totally appreciated either.
  
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  March 7, 2021 12:37pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  What if Peter Davis is correct? The overweight problem exists in other parts of Polynesia. You could tell a Chief by their size, their daughters were expected to have adequate weight to be admired for it too.
  
  It is possible that the weight not only showed status but the ability to survive through famine from hurricanes. Genetics may have subsequently propagated the weight enhancement more widely.
  
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  March 7, 2021 1:59pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Facts/reality/truth, have no place in the Woke Oppression Olympics, my man.
    
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    March 7, 2021 2:25pm
Maggie Pie

Only just back home. Sitting there earlier scrolling through Twitter . Very excited to find I had 34 new followers overnight 😀
But why anyone would want to describe themselves in their Bio as….. “a washed out hag who fucked her way up” is quite frankly beyond me. LOL!!

https://twitter.com/Hilary_Barry
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March 7, 2021 11:45am
- Nickc2
  
  When she says ‘up’, I’m assuming she means ‘to her present position’. Am I correct because it wouldn’t surprise me at all?
  
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  March 7, 2021 1:17pm
- Ruahine
  
  One of Arderns team of $55 million. What can one expect. I suppose it is a smartarse boast.
  
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  March 7, 2021 2:06pm
  - Jack5
    
    ✔️Good one, Ruahine
    
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    March 7, 2021 8:27pm
- JibberJabber
  
  TBF, it shows she’s got a sense of humour, its probably a quote from the bloke (sad twat) that complained about her cleavage…
  
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  March 7, 2021 2:22pm
kowtow

Dr Simon Thornley , Public Health Physician , Senior lecturer University of Auckland , Epidemiology and Biostatistics was a guest last week on Peter Williams radio show.

He mentioned there is evidence that covid sars2 was circulating in Italy long before the official dates . This was eveidenced from blood tests on people in a cancer trial.

I believe this is the paper , link below.

If true the whole official narrative is complete bullshit . Why aren’t the Media Pardy giving any weight to this , other than their own panic porn agenga.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0300891620974755

Extract.

‘Abstract
There are no robust data on the real onset of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection and spread in the prepandemic period worldwide. We investigated the presence of SARS-CoV-2 receptor-binding domain (RBD)–specific antibodies in blood samples of 959 asymptomatic individuals enrolled in a prospective lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 to track the date of onset, frequency, and temporal and geographic variations across the Italian regions. SARS-CoV-2 RBD-specific antibodies were detected in 111 of 959 (11.6%) individuals, starting from September 2019 (14%), with a cluster of positive cases (>30%) in the second week of February 2020 and the highest number (53.2%) in Lombardy. This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was identified, and clarifies the onset and spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. Finding SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in asymptomatic people before the COVID-19 outbreak in Italy may reshape the history of pandemic.’
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March 7, 2021 11:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Italian fashion industry centred around Milan has its workforce in wuhan.
  https://www.greenqueen.com.hk/exclusive-is-there-a-connection-between-luxury-fashion-brands-dirty-secret-and-italys-coronavirus-crisis/
  
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  March 7, 2021 1:26pm
  - SB2
    
    MW, pretty superficial comment there.This link has far more depth analysis suggesting a chronically underfunded health system that did not measure up when Covid first hit and subsequently.Plus intial poor management of the virus, etc
    
    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/italy-death-toll-pandemic-covid-coronavirus-health-population-europe/
    
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    March 7, 2021 3:38pm
I remember when

We are lucky we aren’t being governed by the Nazi they used to burn all the books you weren’t allowed to read.
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March 7, 2021 11:55am
- namron
  
  Oh no!!
  That would mean all those wonderful Dr Suess books kids have loved for 30 – 40 years.
  
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  March 7, 2021 12:22pm
I remember when

Andrew Feinstein, founding director of Shadow World Investigations:
The sale of weapons to any side in the Yemen conflict – effectively a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran – contravenes international humanitarian law.
Yet, the US, UK and European Union supply tens of billions of dollars worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia, and ally UAE, every year.
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March 7, 2021 12:01pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Dont forget AirNZ fixing ships turbines and throw in the Mix,
  Another note.
  Got a message from Air NZ and breach of my personal date from another carrier.
  
  Looks like Singapore airlines was the culprit. Very tough privacy and data protection laws , so will be interesting how it plays out.
  
  Mean while letter from Air NZ sales spokes person sent an apology.
  I want an apology from CEO as its his responsibility, not the bloody sales lady.
  
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  March 7, 2021 3:28pm
Jack5

Will Lord of the Rings be the next target of the book banners?

The ban of six Dr Seuss books is questioned in a column in the New York Times by the conservative writer Ross Douthat.

An extract from his column:

“The Lord of the Rings” is waiting, with its Greco-Roman Gondorians besieged by darker races from the south and east.

He writes that Tolkien’s chauvinism is a real moral and artistic flaw, but it’s a flaw in a work of genius.

Questioning the ban on six Seuss books, Douthat writes that a nonspecific justification attributed to unnamed “experts” and “educators” has swept up a range of books and illustrations.
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March 7, 2021 12:50pm
- lifesgood
  
  It would be interesting to know what insulting racial stereotypes are to be found against europeans in literature from non white countries. I bet there is oodles and I bet those books won’t be banned. I’m ashamed of the wokes. How did such a bunch of lunatics get to take over the asylum.
  
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  March 7, 2021 1:39pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Are they going to ban the Bible cause Jesus ain’t Black (yet)? Don’t think so. However, there may be a compulsory re-write to make it more inclusive and you never know how that will turn out.
    
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    March 7, 2021 1:55pm
    - Mike
      
      Jesus was brown. If he existed at all, that is.
      
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      March 7, 2021 3:17pm
    - RichardX
      
      You think Jesus was white?
      
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      March 7, 2021 3:33pm
      - Jack5
        
        “White” is a pretty vague definition of human skin colour.
        
        A 2019 California survey of Middle Easterners found that, without a Mid-East classification choice, 80 per cent in census surveys chose to tick themselves as “white”. This included 92 per cent of Israeli respondents.
        
        That doesn’t clear up whether Jesus Christ was a white man.
        
        Perhaps some religious reader can ask God what colour Her son was or is, then tell us.
        
        Another indication of the flakiness of skin colour as a classification: according to Wikipedia, before the 17th century Europeans described people from East Asia as being “white”.
        
        https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-census-middle-east-north-africa-race/
        
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        March 7, 2021 8:08pm
oldfella

#oui-too alert? Looney Tunes gets the Dr Seuss treatment.
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New York Times columnist and racial justice author Charles M. Blow has taken aim at an old Looney Tunes character, Pepe Le Pew, to cancel the romantic French skunk for promoting “rape culture.”
https://thepostmillennial.com/nyt-columnist-pepe-le-pew-added-to-rape-culture
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March 7, 2021 12:54pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Going beyond rediculous
  
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  March 7, 2021 1:11pm
  - oldfella
    
    Steve, just found some good news about book burners which I just had to share…
    Apparently, a new study has confirmed that people who burn books always stop with just a few obscure, third-tier books with a couple of problematic things, and their book-burning activities never go beyond that, so there’s really nothing to worry about when books start getting burned.
    https://babylonbee.com/news/study-finds-book-burners-always-stop-with-just-a-few-fringe-books-so-theres-nothing-to-worry-about
    
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    March 7, 2021 1:45pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Much easier to publish a list of banned books and authors than to organise burnings
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_by_governments
      
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      March 7, 2021 2:24pm
    - SB2
      
      I think we can agree that the Nazis did a thorough job of it banning/ burning especially Jewish literature for obvious reasons. Nor forgetting Communist, Marxist and Liberal books. Again for obvious reasons.
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/01/german-index-nazi-official-list-of-banned-books-1933
      
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      March 7, 2021 3:49pm
      - Jack5
        
        Were there any Stephiestanis in the Waffen SS Muslim divisions, Stephie, or did they all stay true to the Raj? ?
        
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        March 7, 2021 8:11pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Fahrenheit 451 is not a bloody instruction manual.
      
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      March 7, 2021 4:59pm
- krazykiwi
  
  As intolerable as this is, if these cowards come after my hero, Wile E. Coyote, there will be hell to pay. I’m locked and loaded 🙂
  
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  March 7, 2021 3:40pm
Sarkozygroupie

Why no social distancing in this photo of the PM and Minister Allan? Are New Zealander’s actually under threat of death from COVID-19 or not?

https://mobile.twitter.com/evilarthurfleck/status/1368293220774334464

[Mod. Note: your link does not match your narrative.]
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March 7, 2021 1:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It shows the PTPM breaking the rules. Rules for thee, but not for me
  
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  March 7, 2021 3:32pm
Waipuk

No mention of Iran suppling weapon or where they are getting them from. Possibly Russia and/or China. ???
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March 7, 2021 1:17pm
Maggie Pie

Here’s something I can see becoming very popular with some of my Jewish girlfriends.
A lot cheaper than a nose job….

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1367860967195959301
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March 7, 2021 1:24pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Yeah, but do they protect you from Farts?
  
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  March 7, 2021 2:19pm
Nickc2

This clown is in charge of the Nuclear Codes? Gimme strength!!
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/03/biden.html
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March 7, 2021 2:15pm
Nostradamus

I’ve been enjoying the T20I series against Australia. The final match should – fingers crossed – go New Zealand’s way – 60/0 needing 83 from77 to win. Martin Guptill has a few non-fans on Kiwiblog, but on current form, his place in the team seems safe.
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March 7, 2021 2:16pm
- Mike
  
  Good game. Great change of approach by NZ. Sodhi player of the series.
  
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  March 7, 2021 3:20pm
Maggie Pie

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after 15 attempts at deleting the . i thort stuff it, leave it there
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March 7, 2021 2:54pm
Inandout

Don’t believe a word of it.
https://trends.gab.com/item/60443381b3450733e171bc67
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March 7, 2021 3:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

‘It’s more important to be morally right, than factually correc.t’ AOC.
‘It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance’ Thomas Sowell.
Of course there is no way that applies in NZ …….
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March 7, 2021 3:10pm
- SB2
  
  Steve, I thought it would be a perfect fit for far righters ( read also Trump supporters).
  
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  March 7, 2021 3:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Dick
    
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    March 7, 2021 7:34pm
Maggie Pie

My partner reckons Russia knows how to sort out its protesters.
He was watching RT earlier. They reported Putin’s Riot Police have launched an online recruitment blitz for thousands of Snipers…… ‘No experience required’
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March 7, 2021 3:28pm
- Jack5
  
  Russian women proved particularly good snipers: more patient than men.
  
  More than 2000 Soviet women were snipers in the Red Army.
  
  https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2020/10/09/roza-shanina-and-the-soviet-women-snipers-of-wwii/
  
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  March 7, 2021 8:21pm
JibberJabber

Kermit the Frog. Mr Potato Head. Dr Seuss. The culture war becomes more infantile by the day. Quite literally. The big talking points of the past few weeks have focused almost exclusively on children’s TV shows, toys and authors.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/03/05/we-didnt-start-this-culture-war/

Here, woke liberals are essentially projecting their own lunacy on to their critics. After all, the only reason anyone is talking about Messrs Seuss, Potato Head and Frog is that some people actually decided these anodyne children’s products were potentially dangerous and had to be changed or culled.
The pattern keeps repeating itself. Wokists do something mad and when you point this out to them they accuse you of being mad. The people who think that the mascots on Uncle Ben’s rice or Aunt Jemima’s pancake mix are essentially propping up white supremacy are perfectly sensible. Anyone who says ‘hang on a minute’ is crazy.
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March 7, 2021 3:51pm
greybeard

Because of the recent spate of earthquakes there have been many “experts” giving their opinions, summations , deliberations , evaluations and prognostications.
( Isn’t the English language wonderful ? Try saying that in “te reo”).

But as usual we are left with the same result: nobody can predict earthquakes, nobody knows much about tsunamis, nobody knows when or where the next quake will occur, the whole topic is less about science and more like a lottery.

These “experts” know a lot about what has happened in the past but none of their knowledge can be applied to the future.

Nice income, expenses and travel perks however.
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March 7, 2021 5:05pm
- Ian Boag
  
  These “experts” know a lot about what has happened in the past but none of their knowledge can be applied to the future
  
  Lots of things are like that.You could say the same about women/breast cancer and men/prostate cancer just to pick a couple of things at random.
  
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  March 7, 2021 6:22pm
Wired-one

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300246737/covid19-national-calls-for-inquiry-into-valentines-day-cluster

Reading the comments on the article make me lose faith in the future. Too many seem to pray at the alter of Ardern. Dont you dare question her…
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March 7, 2021 5:39pm
Wired-one

Cant leave the country without a vaccine passport, interesting.
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March 7, 2021 6:04pm
- MCos
  
  Which country is that.
  
  The Aussie got their bums kicked today and are back in Oz already, vaccine or no vaccine they couldn’t leave fast enough.
  
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  March 7, 2021 10:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

This looks about as close as the PM and her Government will ever get to admitting that they stuffed up.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/437836/covid-19-minister-to-review-outbreak-communications
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March 7, 2021 7:24pm
- sooty
  
  All they will do is roll her in another coat of glitter!
  
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  March 7, 2021 8:02pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Hang about, she hasn’t taken the glory yet for saving her team 0f 5 million (minus 1) from a tsunami. Those tsunami warnings she alone insisted be installed helped her do it. IN HER DREAMS.
    
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    March 8, 2021 11:48am
Swifty

Sepan’s girlfriend can’t find him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0kxZHoRp04

🙂
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March 7, 2021 7:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Michael Bassett disses the NZ Herald.

A not very literate fellow claiming to be a “Communications Specialist” lodged a complaint with the Herald dated 4 March demanding that my column be removed from the website or he would complain to the Press Council. Three minutes after receiving it, Shayne Currie, Editor of the Herald, sent a note to his fellow editors Murray Kirkness and Rachel Ward, asking them to “review this urgently”. An hour later my column was off the Herald’s website. An apology to readers was in its place. ..

The Herald is now a pale shadow of its former self. It was once a big beast in the media forest but today is nothing more than a nervous chihuahua.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/free-speech-and-the-new-zealand-herald
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March 7, 2021 8:36pm
WaveyDavey

It’s déjà vu all over again – buckle up

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/airline-crew-member-tests-positive-for-covid-19/
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