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Happychappy

New information for Pike River Families prompts calls for re-entry team to go further.
Is this a call for the Government to pour millions of more dollars into virtually a lost cause when that money could used to help others or is this because Labour and Jacinda Ardern are losing the popularity contest and have started to drop support in the latest poll and realized that Pike River has worked before in their quest to become the Government in 2017 so why not again.
So will Jacinda Ardern and Andew Little give into the Families and spend the 60 – 100 million dollars needed for the re-entry to go further when issues like health and education need fixing in this Country.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/124580304/new-information-for-pike-river-families-prompts-call-for-reentry-team-to-go-further
What will this outer touch Government do when faced with reality take selfishness over need or do the right thing for the majority of New Zealander’s.
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March 20, 2021 8:00am
- Yvette
  
  “I feel like the agency has achieved its mandate and the Government has kept its promise to go into the drift and that was massive. I feel so grateful for that,” [Pike River widow Anna Osborne] said.
  She hoped a successful prosecution could be brought with the evidence already uncovered.
  
  Anna Osborne says “evidence already uncovered”.
  While electrical engineer Richard Healey says it is “deep inside the mine”
  
  To help prove his findings, he commissioned a protection engineer to produce a report, which showed there was an earlier electrical fault deep inside the mine.
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  Pike River father Bernie Monk said he wanted the agency to keep going to reach the main ventilation fan – a distance of only 30m.
  “Why would the Government spend $50m to get this far and get this close to the truth to then walk away?” – Monk
  
  “It is wrong to see the exercise as ‘just another 30’ – it is not. It is about clearing the rockfall under an area known to be highly unstable. The technical challenge is phenomenal.” – Little
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  After reaching the roof-fall, the Agency still had 600 metres of side passages to investigate and electric equipment to examine. Has that now been done – and nothing found – that arguments are back to going beyond the roof-fall to the mine itself?
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:04am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Time to cut the smoke screen. The blame goes to the people who forced a closed mine over a known gas producing coal seam. That is contrary to global safe practice.
    Wasn’t Minster Little involved then?
    
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    March 20, 2021 1:37pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Didn’t they want it to be an open cast because of the gas problem – the very problem that caused the disaster?
      Instead of spending a few more millions going further into the mine, open the bloody thing up into an open cast mine as originally intended – 2 for the price of one – an operating mine and a discovery of the issues.
      
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      March 20, 2021 1:46pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        It was the conservationists that nixed the open cast option, if I recall correctly. Any blood is just as much on their hands.
        
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        March 20, 2021 1:59pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Do you think Little is spending all this taxpayer money purely to cover his own arse?
      I am also very cognizant of the fact that I wouldn’t be able to ask this question if Little’s Hate Speech laws were in force right now.
      
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      March 20, 2021 1:57pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Sadly the root cause falls on the Greens by not allowing open cast mining.
      
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      March 20, 2021 3:53pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Then there were the people who decided to create a coal mine in a gassy area and continued digging when they hit some real bad geology on the way in and were so clever that they were the first users of a kiwi made cutting machine that didn’t work … and … and … and …
      
      Read the book.
      
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      March 20, 2021 4:25pm
- Liberty
  
  Meanwhile in south Westland towns are closing down..
  The only help from our kind caring Government is
  Harden up and move on.
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:27am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  $100 million here, a $100 million there and before you know it, we will be spending real money!
  
  And the miners will still be dead and Peter Whittle or Andrew Little will never face prosecution and the relatives will have their millions but they will have flushed the empathy and goodwill that is going out like the tide . . .
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:32am
- KH
  
  Spending even more taxpayer cash at Pike river loses votes.
  Most folks think we should have drawn a line under Pike River years ago. But it’s not hard with our clueless media to just print the endless PR binge again and again.
  
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  March 20, 2021 2:18pm
Ruawai

Where is Ardern? Other than an article about a letter to a child in the UK there is no news of her, plenty of Nash, Robertson, Little and Hipkins. She may be with Housing Minister Woods as she also seems to have disappeared from the headlines.
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March 20, 2021 8:16am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It’s incredible that we, the public, have been kept in the dark over her absence from Parliament for a whole week.
  Was pulling out of her weekly slot with Hosking just the precursor to her new life as the hermit PM?
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:11am
  - [email protected]
    
    Maybe she’s sick.
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:15am
    - Paulus
      
      She makes me feel sick !
      
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      March 20, 2021 12:53pm
      - curry4me
        
        Paulus Not just you. One or two others too.
        
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        March 20, 2021 3:47pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      OOOHHH she’s sick alright….just not the kind doctors can fix.
      
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      March 20, 2021 1:03pm
  - yossarian
    
    I love that Mike made mention the other day, that her fall in popularity coincided with her pulling out of her weekly appearance on his show.
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:34am
    - Nickc2
      
      I think I read on this blog the other day that she was pregnant again?
      
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      March 20, 2021 11:59am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Only a suggestion or a suspicion I think, Nick.
        
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        March 20, 2021 1:47pm
      - Nickc2
        
        @Don Beckett 1:47PM
        Thanks Don. I must admit I was somewhat amused as to how it could have happened. But then again . . . . . . . .
        
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        March 20, 2021 1:54pm
  - tui47
    
    Is it possible it is all getting too much? If so, Labour are probably hoping she will get it together to return. Otherwise they are going to have some explaining to do.
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:47am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      They don’t do explaining, don’t hold your breath . . .
      
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      March 20, 2021 10:33am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      One good thing about having such a large caucus is that it will be a doddle to replace her with someone of equal immense charisma and popularity.
      
      Willie Jackson would be my pick
      
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      March 20, 2021 11:08am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Labour’s popularity is linked to her’s
      Her popularity is linked to her appearances and how the fan girl media can hype it up.
      I live in hope of a final awakening, that the empress has no cloths.
      
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      March 20, 2021 1:06pm
  - oldfella
    
    Captain: is our PTPM unwell? Would they even tell us if she was?
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:51am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Weekend At Bernies New Zealand Edition
      
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      March 20, 2021 10:34am
    - sooty
      
      No, they would sweep it under her carpet!
      
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      March 20, 2021 10:42am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        So much under that carpet, they’ll have to walk up hill to get to the door.
        
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        March 20, 2021 1:07pm
    - Sacha
      
      I think she is running scared and out of steam.
      All the Labour sycophants told her she was doing so well, and now they are putting the pressure on her to maintain the image, but she is finally realising which way the wind is blowing –
      Reality is surely setting in, and all that loving kindness must seem wasted if she looks with a clear eye at what it has achieved – a majority government with absolutely no benefit to anyone in the foreseeable future.
      Poor woman.
      How little she knew in the glory days of late September 2017.
      
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      March 20, 2021 11:14am
- GazzaW
  
  There were a lot of Ministers absent from Parliament last week including Ardern who went AWOL for the entire week.
  
  Why wasn’t Ardern to be seen at the Americas Cup celebrations? Most unlike her not to be there unless her PR minders thought that there was a risk of an adverse reaction from an Auckland crowd who were more than a tad annoyed about an extended lockdown.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:17am
  - Prince
    
    Apparently it was the subject of much debate within the all-powerful Branding branch of the PM’s coterie.
    It was decided not a good look given the level of criticism around granting of $M’s to ‘rich men’s sport’ etc etc, to have the KIND PM showing her face.
    Govt ministers were instructed to stay in the background, away from the cameras.
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:12am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Wow! An inside track into the PM’s PR advisors!
      
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      March 20, 2021 10:19am
      - Tall Man
        
        Some of us do mix in exhalted circles, none more so than our host.
        
        May pay to remember that before pushing the “smartarse button” 😉
        
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        March 20, 2021 10:40am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Sorry – only “apparently” ….
        
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        March 20, 2021 3:13pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Though aunty helen would have told her to be present at the opening of a door.
    Unless, like Clark, there is some really bad news coming whereby Clark hid behind Malard, is Ardern hiding behind Nash, Robertson, Little and Hipkins
    
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    March 20, 2021 1:11pm
- pdm
  
  Are you starting a rumour?
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:32am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  There was a photo of her at the Viaduct with TNZ
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:34am
- Souvlaki
  
  Stabilising medication I suspect.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:42am
- Unity
  
  I still can’t get over her not being there when we won the America’s Cup. Something is going on. Let’s hope she is considering stepping down. That would then show what the people thought of the rest of that rabble who are supposed to be running our country – not down but up!!
  
  On second thoughts, perhaps she’s arranging the wedding although I would think that would happen closer to the next election so she can get some touchy feely points.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:44am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Agree something is up. No politician would ever miss a photo op like that.
    
    Occams razor though. She’s likely not well.
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:45am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      Actually the last time a labour MP missed a photo op, didn’t they physically assault a staff member?
      
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      March 20, 2021 10:47am
    - Gravelroad
      
      I thought Ms Ardern and her fiancé were there at the end of the cup racing – but out of general sight. And there was talk of them both presenting the cup.
      Also, several of the hyped-up sailors mentioned they had received messages and congratulations from the Prime Minister and seemed very excited about it.
      Don’t know why.
      Unless more money?
      
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      March 20, 2021 11:30am
      - Thought Criminal
        
        Jacinda’s Facebook says “Watched on the telly from afar, but with the team in spirit all the way. Thank you Team New Zealand. Through such a hard year, you provided us with such optimism and excitement. You made us proud.”
        
        So not there. But why?
        
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        March 20, 2021 12:19pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        thought criminal:
        Morning sickness……getting ready for the next election, where she can trott out another ….BABY?
        
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        March 20, 2021 1:21pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        Gayford hosted the Rod Stewart thing on the saturday. out of site the rest of the time.
        
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        March 20, 2021 1:38pm
    - kloyd0306
      
      Morning sickness?
      
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      March 20, 2021 1:29pm
- slernz
  
  She visited a school on Thursday. I saw something about it on the taxpayer-funded Stuff website or perhaps Facebook. I didn’t take much notice but the school was in the North Island. There were gushing comments from parents… “My daughter was so excited…” etc.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:52am
  - Harriet
    
    I remember back in the early ’70’s being all excited about getting to wave at the Queen as she went by, and parents being more protective and circumspect, ‘gushing’ was frowned upon as a sign of immaturity amongst young females, and in their time ‘the poofters’.
    
    Comments to the editors, even the ‘weekly’ ones were largely the affairs surrounding full employment, and domesticity. Matters that mattered. Clean council houses mattered.
    
    Mums were mums and dads were dads. And life was so simple and straight forward – that Bob remained your uncle. 😎
    
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    March 20, 2021 4:36pm
hullkiwi

I spent one hour in the company of Chris Penk, the MP for the new seat of Kaipara ki Mahurangi yesterday. The purpose of which was to acquaint him with some of the issues of the rural part of his seat. Let us say it was an education for him, and I never knew MPs could use such “blue” language.

I sought to confront him with the reality that National have had a mortgage over rural Northland, but neglected the issues of the constituents.
Issues covered included:
Vector/power lines in rural areas;
Auckland Council and poor services;
Auckland Transport roads; and
A time bomb of complacency, incompetence and neglect by successive governments and KiwiRail, made worse by the arrogance of Peters, Shane Jones, Phil Twyford, Julie-Ann Genter, and Grant Robertson with the $100m plus commitment in the 2019 budget to fix/upgrade the rail line from Auckland to Whangarei. Let us say, I showed him enough to say there is either a high level of ignorance, complacency, negligence or stupidity between the government or KiwiRail with regards to the continued use of the rail line for any level of service.

You can check Chris’ Facebook page for photos. Let us say in the current state of the line, it is negligent to use the line, and lives of train drivers are being put needlessly at risk.
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March 20, 2021 8:19am
- Luke Piewalker
  
  Really pees me off – it’s like National have abandoned the rural vote.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:17am
  - Gravelroad
    
    They did.
    National didn’t and don’t give a toss about the rural vote – personal experience has shown us that.
    When we really needed some help, the two Nat MP’s around here just did not want to know. –
    “Too busy, not our problem, go somewhere else, too bad, see ya.”
    One of them was too important to even bother to respond at all and got an office worker to do it.
    Next time anyone from the National Party phones up here again asking us to join or donate money I am all ready to tell them exactly where to go……..
    
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    March 20, 2021 12:05pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Vote Green like heaps of other rural folk. They’ll solve all your problems. Sarc/
      
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      March 20, 2021 12:56pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    The Netherlands just elected a Rural Party to their government.
    
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    March 20, 2021 3:50pm
- virtualmark
  
  The problem with the North Auckland Line is that it’s hard to justify the maintenance spend, let alone improvements, for just one short train each day.
  
  Jones and Peters were strong supporters of the (odd) plan to move much of Auckland’s port traffic to Marsden, and then train much of it back to Auckland. But the West Auckland line runs at capacity with commuter trains so you couldn’t feed that freight traffic down to South Auckland during the day. The pragmatic logistics and scheduling never made sense.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:20am
  - hullkiwi
    
    VM, it is two short and pretty much empty trains a day. Each with 2 DMUs, and a string of wagons (some with freight, some not. Past our place, there one northbound between 8.00am and 8.30am and in the evening about 7.30pm there is a southbound train.
    
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    March 20, 2021 3:13pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Same train.
      
      Goes up in the morning. Back in the afternoon.
      
      Is mainly to collect dairy product from the Kauri dairy factory just north of Whangarei.
      
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      March 21, 2021 9:18am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  I am rather puzzled by this post. Do you want the rail line north of Auckland improved or not? Or do you want it closed altogether because it is unsafe, and can never be made safe no matter what improvements are made.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    Not his point I think.
    
    It was the lack of detailed knowledge and efforts so far he was unhappy about.
    
    Are all politicians obtuse, or only when it suits their purpose?…… asking for a friend.
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:34am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Wayne, I have no problem with line being upgraded. The issue is, in 2019, Robertson earmarked $100m for upgrading the line. The line was closed, work done, but the issue is work that should have been done was either:
    1. Not identified; or
    2. Worse, identified and ignored.
    
    The track where I took Chris yesterday is in such poor state that the NZTA’s Rail Safety inspectors need to close the line until it is fit for purpose. I’ve already spoken to someone in KiwiRail about these matters, and he was not surprised about the condition of the track. The cause is the sleepers have rotted and need replacing. The area I showed Chis Penk covers circa 4km between 2 tunnels. The tunnels have been enlarged in the past 18 months, but the track between was left untouched, but it needs replacing. The sleepers are rotting, and with the naked eye you can see the track is buckling.
    
    It is clear from even a cursory inspection of the track condition that services should not have recommenced in January.
    
    Would you say that there might be an issue when you can find bent bolts, sheared/broken bolts, pull bolts out with your fingers – all of these bolts are meant to be holding the track to the sleepers? Or alternatively find whole pieces of sleepers rotted away?
    
    What is an acceptable level of risk to you? The loss of a train driver’s life because of a derailment?
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:48am
    - virtualmark
      
      I think you’ll find Robertson earmarked $100m to upgrade the line (a) as a political deal with Jones/Peters, (b) knowing that the money would not be spent/committed before the 2020 general election and (c) expecting then that the money would never be spent.
      
      Back room deals.
      
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      March 20, 2021 1:29pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Thanks for that. It wasn’t apparent from your original post that you and Chris had spent the time actually seeing the line.
      I agree, if it is being upgraded (which I support) then do it properly. I am reasonably familiar with the line, and agree the total line needs upgrading.
      Is the extension to Marsden Point still going ahead?
      
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      March 20, 2021 3:25pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Wayne, im very familiar with the line, it is no more than 20m across the road from our gate. According to the KiwiRail website, they say they are committed, but reality is another matter.
        
        Yesterday, Chris took lots of photos of yhe issues I brought to his attention. It was not only the issue of the track, but also a rail crossing. It is such that you do not have visibility of an on coming north or southbound train until your vehicle is in a dangerous position. Chris took video and photos and said he will pursue matters.
        
        Last night he had posted a photo on Facebook from our look at the track.
        
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        March 20, 2021 3:53pm
- Paulus
  
  Understand Chris Penk highly thought of as somebody with forward thinking brain – and not disliked within caucus.
  Written some good papers on future,
  Maybe good future for him too !
  
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  March 20, 2021 12:58pm
Im Right

Biden still refusing press interviews….am I the only one who believes he has dementia and Dems covering it up for as long as they can?
Even tv interviews have to have questions sent prior to interview and he then has a ‘cheat sheet’ when answering them.
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March 20, 2021 8:21am
- virtualmark
  
  He has a press conference scheduled for next Thursday.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:10am
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    I wonder what excuse they will roll out when he cancels.
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:17am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Giving him a week to learn to read something basic off the Tele prompter.
    I would think the vast majority of Americans would agree with you, they have turned off comments on the Whitehouse utube site, this is going to come to a head or should I say to a Harris very quickly.
    You would need to seek out a seeing eye dog if you thought this poor guy is not constantly losing few sheep short in the top paddock.
    President Harris, now that will be a show of surprises.
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:38am
    - Inandout
      
      Greg, Biden has referred to Harris twice now as ‘President Harris’ but I wouldn’t be too hasty in naming her as a replacement as she is not that popular among Dems. Watch for another name to be announced soon after Joe steps down. Look, we are not all stupid, we have suspected for months that choosing an ageing Joe as the Dem leader was likely a ploy to get the ‘business as usual’ lot back behind the wheel. The upcoming press conference will be a doozy for sure, but only if it happens. Remember Joe has called Putin a ‘killer’ so this may mean an ostensible reason Biden is locked in the WH war room next Thursday.
      
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      March 20, 2021 10:35am
      - Don Beckett
        
        They can’t name someone else – Harris is the VP, and if the president can’t handle the duties, the VP takes over. End of story.
        Unless, of course , she is impeached for some reason.
        
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        March 20, 2021 1:50pm
- kowtow
  
  See the doddery old man stumbling up the steps to AF1?
  
  Front page treatement had it been Trump.
  
  The Iranians , Russians and Chinese will be larfing their tits orf.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:14am
- Apropos of the Wet Snow
  
  There is little objective evidence that he is even still alive. Has he been seen in the flesh? I see the fervent denials all around as to the latest “green screen” controversy.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He had a bit of a stumble boarding a plane
  https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-56462824
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:25am
  - oldfella
    
    Maggy, Gerald Ford had one of those moments – think he only stumbled once – but the MSM never let him forget and mocked him unmercifully.
    I’m sure they’ll do the same to Slow Joe – not!
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:55am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Peak NYT,
    https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1373000946020712454
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:59am
  - 3-coil
    
    Thanks Maggy – it’s cruel to watch Biden make a fool of himself like that, but poor old Joe has got to stop his stupid, deluded habit of trying to run everywhere! He fools nobody but himself that it makes him look younger. He needs a stairlift (with a safety belt) for his own safety; the Democrats are practising elder abuse if they are not providing him with a safe working environment.
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:26am
  - bennerg
    
    This made me laugh.
    
    https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1372982815109840898
    
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    March 20, 2021 2:18pm
- Nickc2
  
  Beijing Biden’s gone tripping around for those who are interested.
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9381191/President-Joe-Biden-78-falls-stairs-Air-Force-One.html
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:47am
- emmess
  
  Well his team are CGIing them though
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvgrp82qktU
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:31am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Reagan had severe mental decline towards the end. There is precident for this.
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:49am
- amospicton
  
  The plan all along has been for Harris (considered less likely to beat Trump) to assume the presidency. Dishonest disregard for the voters from the ‘democrats’.
  
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  March 20, 2021 12:02pm
- tf78
  
  Im Right, the poor old bugger fell up the stairs boarding the plane yesterday. It really is elder abuse.
  
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  March 20, 2021 12:15pm
- GJM
  
  It will be like here with Cindy. Only favoured journos get to ask questions, and only Kind ones that have been pre-approved. Others are ignored
  
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  March 20, 2021 1:27pm
- curry4me
  
  Im right: And now theis, a literal stumble.
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9381755/Major-media-outlets-shrug-Bidens-stumbles-AF1-steps.html
  
  Beiing Biden Stumbles. Literally, This Time
  
  • Major U.S. press outlets largely avoided mention of Biden tripping repeatedly
  • As of Friday afternoon, the homepages of MSNBC, CBS News, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times and New York Times had no mention of Biden’s stumbles
  • Foreign outlets appeared far more interested, devoting prominent coverage
  • US outlets including Drudge Report, TMZ and Fox News broke domestic blackout
  • It contrasted with breathless coverage of Trump’s ginger steps at West Point
  • US conservatives accused the press of a double standard favoring Biden
  
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  March 20, 2021 4:08pm
JibberJabber

Seriously, this is Genters reply to someone suggesting Davidson do her ministerial duties,

Do you have any idea how long it takes to get a cabinet paper to cabinet committee. Especially if you are a new minister getting the departments to do something new? We haven’t even had a budget since she was appointed.

Excuses, excuses, zero comprehension of how to do the job they have not been elected to do.
No hopers delivering no hope to NZ.
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March 20, 2021 8:22am
- JibberJabber
  
  The NZ Minister of Homelessness has never held a meeting on the issue of homelessness.
  Not once.
  
  And we wonder why we are spending a $Million+ a day on motels.
  
  Apparently, the Minister is only there to eat the lunch, we the taxpayer, pays for.
  Like all Green Party deadbeats, work-shy.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:29am
  - sooty
    
    Don’t forget to ride around in the limo!
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:50am
  - 3-coil
    
    That’s a bit harsh JJ: she’s not work-shy, she has a work-allergy (which fortuitously IS covered by ACC)
    
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    March 20, 2021 12:17pm
  - PeeJay
    
    Sorry I can’t believe there is homelessness now that the saviour of NZ is in charge.
    
    I mean, I can’t recall John Campbell doing any ‘sleeping in cars’ political hit jobs…erm……….I mean responsible journalism segments anymore so obviously the homelessness problem has gone and that’s why Davidson doesn’t need to do any work on this area?
    
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    March 20, 2021 3:18pm
- peterwn
  
  This shows the portfolios the Greens hold are mostly window dressing. Julie-Anne, it is not the Department that has to be persuaded to get its A into G with what Marama wants. The one who really calls the shots is Megan Woods – the Ministry will meet her priorities, not those of Associate Ministers.
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:42am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Megan Woods has priorities?
    
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    March 20, 2021 1:42pm
    - Manu-Rau
      
      Not quite. She has pie-orities.
      
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      March 21, 2021 4:20am
Surely Knott

52 of the 94 people with Covid in NZ recovered in the last 48 hours. 0 dead. None in hospital.

Why do we only report the new cases but not report the recoveries?
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March 20, 2021 8:28am
- kowtow
  
  Virulent UK strain ……..not.
  
  The Media Pardy are complicit in a conspiracy with the gubmint to keep the sheeple cowering in fear , while the productive economy is attacked by the same parties with Climate Porn that doubles as their reserve fear factor .
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:19am
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    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Utter balderdash of the crap, crap kind.
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:07am
  - oldfella
    
    kowtow, be sure to sign the Taxpayers’ Union submission to the Climate Commission. We are ruled by muppets!
    https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/climate?utm_campaign=210219_ccc_submissio&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:09am
- Tall Man
  
  Fear mongering.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:34am
- Sacha
  
  ‘New cases’ are those who have returned a positive swab for COVID-19.
  They are not sick, but they have the potential to infect others.
  Hopefully, these people will develop antibodies, and increase herd immunity as happens in any other infectious disease which is spread through ‘droplet infection’.
  
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  March 20, 2021 11:26am
  - Nickc2
    
    The reason we’re not told about the numbers of people who recover from Covid-19 is that such statements would lessen the fear-factor and leave Cindy’s mob with no ammunition with which to control her peasants.
    
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    March 20, 2021 11:49am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    They might be able to infect others if the test was proven not to be false positive.
    
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    March 20, 2021 1:44pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Then they should certainly be prescribed the appropriate treatments – but in NZ they are not. And why not ? If appropriate treatment can reduce hospitalisation by 85%, why aren’t we doing it ? Is it just politics that stops us ?
    
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    March 20, 2021 5:48pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Are these hydroxy/ivermectin/zinc treatments widely used in the US? Europe? South America? Brazil? China? If not, why not?
      
      Is this just a big-pharma conspiracy? Really?
      
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      March 20, 2021 6:04pm
- tf78
  
  Surely Knott, remember Trump said last year – it is now a casedemic not a pandemic.
  
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  March 20, 2021 12:17pm
Ruahine

Wellington. The way Labour wants it.

https://nopunchespulled.com/2021/03/18/time-for-a-change/#more-2376
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March 20, 2021 8:29am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Well said Bob.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:14am
  - oldfella
    
    Captain: Bob Jones’ article would probably be classified as ‘hate speech’ under Labour’s upcoming law change.
    And we’d have cops on our doorsteps if we expressed similar ‘unkind’ opinions, as is happening right now in NY.
    https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/18/de-blasio-encourages-nypd-to-confront-noncriminal-conduct-they-deem-hateful/
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:14am
    - Nickc2
      
      Turning the people’s protectors against the people. It’s coming to a town near you!
      If you thought Maori Wards were the tipping edge of undemocratic stupidity and dictatorship taking over, that was only the beginning.
      NEXT CAB OFF THE RANK – HATE SPEECH!
      
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      March 20, 2021 11:43am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Nonsense–truth can never be hate, it may be unwelcome by miscreants and those of contrary opinions, but must be allowed lest we are overtaken.
        
        I didn’t know how stupid the gobblement had gotten with their placing “homeless” in hospitality accommodation. A certain way of wrecking an industry. To hear that downtown Wellington hotels are being used comes close to considering criminal negligence. The govt has a duty to others too.
        
        This present lot of incompetent no-hopers have passed their use by date.
        
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        March 20, 2021 1:59pm
- mandk
  
  What was deplorable was the way that Mariana Davidson casually implied in Parliament that Nicola Willis was being racist in order to shut her down
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:53am
  - Nickc2
    
    and Mallard did nothing.
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:10am
    - nathie
      
      And it was reported that Labour MP’s cheered the racist Davidson on …
      
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      March 20, 2021 10:37am
    - sooty
      
      Yes he did. He set up that rort at his old electrol office to the tune of 5 grand a year in labours favor!
      
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      March 20, 2021 10:55am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Calling someone a racist is how the left admit they are wrong and that you have backed them into a corner.
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:52am
Suze Wainwright

Today I’z gunna rap likes i’z a Killerbeez gangsta muthaf*** !
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March 20, 2021 8:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  U da bomb, B**ch!
  
  And how are you enjoying your Musical composition and social integration creativity course?
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:54am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    I need to complete my social work qualification first…
    
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    March 20, 2021 11:13am
Tauhei Notts

Am I first at 8.46 a.m.?
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March 20, 2021 8:46am
- 3-coil
  
  sorry ☹️
  
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  March 20, 2021 12:21pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  No, me neither.
  But got the first good night’s sleep in a year….rolled out of bed and had to check 2 clocks….11:36am.
  well bugger
  
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  March 20, 2021 1:27pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Fair dinkum.
  When I logged on here at 8.46 a.m. there were no posts.
  Since then I have scored 34 stableford points.
  This seems very unusual, not the stableford points.
  
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  March 20, 2021 3:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

New Zealand’s recession
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/3/18/bb-once-an-outperformer-new-zealand-faces-double-dip-recession
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March 20, 2021 8:53am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Hmmm – they’ve called us New Zealand – not aotearoa…
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:01am
  - oldfella
    
    Suze, apparently they didn’t get the message about our country’s name change.
    They should expect a stern message from Maahooter.
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:18am
  - doublehappy
    
    Stop using that word!
    
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    March 20, 2021 12:50pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    ~~Aotearoa~~ Never.
    
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    March 20, 2021 2:01pm
- Luke Piewalker
  
  Cindy won’t even know what GDP is.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:01am
  - kowtow
    
    That’s why they wanted to drop it in favour of “happiness index” whatever the hell that is.
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:20am
- Ruahine
  
  Not to worry. All will be well. Keep the teddy bears in the windows. A new ‘class enemy’ has been found. It is all the fault of those ‘evil speculators’.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:08am
  - hullkiwi
    
    ….no, no, the new enemies are those who speak class based racism about those who now have “wrap around services” and reside in special accommodation in Wellington’s CBD.
    
    Or Chris Bishop wasting parliament’s time on complain about a minister making sexist noises after opposition female MPs ask questions in the House.
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:12am
  - PeeJay
    
    I have always believed that the one thing that would genuinely stop a move against ‘speculators’, ie investors, in the housing market is the fact that so many MP’s are investors – never really going to do a turkeys voting for christmas were they?
    
    I therefore found it interesting this week that one of the news reports (can’t remember if it was TVNZ or 3) had a section when they were pressuring mp’s on how many rentals they owned. From the bit that I saw, the media were focussing on Brownlee a bit.
    
    Be interesting to see if the latest coordinated hit on the speculators is reflected in any quick sales of properties by Labour MP’s to avoid being caught up in the crossfire?
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:37am
    - oldfella
      
      Willie Jackson was also ‘outed’ in that piece as the owner of three homes.
      But it’s different when the left do it.
      
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      March 20, 2021 10:28am
    - sooty
      
      Some MPs own property and others own a lounge suite!
      
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      March 20, 2021 10:58am
    - Paulus
      
      Doesn’t Helen Clark own six properties ?
      
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      March 20, 2021 1:12pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I have never seen such active promotion of “division” within NZ by a prime minister.
    
    Young are being pitted against older, people who aren’t interested in te reo are racist, landlords are evil, farmers are destroying the world.
    
    It shows ardern really is a one trick pony and it’s a show pony at that.
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:03am
  - kowtow
    
    That “class enemy” is a very useful distraction.
    
    The real problem is actually govt policy .
    
    Mass immigration to keep up demand for everything ( while producing nothing)
    
    Extreme low interest rates ; to keep people spending and banks lending.
    
    Govt ( central and local) not releasing land for housing .
    
    All govt policy creating yet another “emergency.”
    
    As to ‘speculators’ ; they’re providing houses for people to live in ,while the gubmint won’t.
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:21am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Bit hard for NZ’s current Government to run with the Class thing as all their pollies and key supporters come from privileged or comfortable middle-class backgrounds.
      
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      March 20, 2021 11:01am
      - kowtow
        
        Some of the brightest, finest, leading, shining examples of socialist leaders came from the very same.
        
        Marx and Engles, Lenin and Mao , Castro and Guevara and wee little Ho Chi Minh , the latter so adored by the anti American, American upper classes while his vassals killed working class American boys in the paddy fields of the Republic of Vietnam, were all middle class.
        
        Funny thing is had these rich boy socialists been deemed “counter revolutionaries” in Russia , China , Vietnam or Cuba they’d have been put up against a wall or destroyed in some hell hole gulag.
        
        Instead these murdering heroes of the revolution adorn other middle and upper class student dorm rooms across the “priveliged” west .
        
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        March 20, 2021 11:29am
    - Ian Boag
      
      ‘speculators’ .. providing houses …
      
      Like building new ones … ? Not ….
      
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      March 20, 2021 11:46am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Maggy, this will continue to get worse, you cannot go green and embrace climate change without serious economic consequences.
  A great example are sheep, back in the 80’s 22 person, now close to 5, headed for 1.
  All that stupid climate laws are doing are exporting valuable profits to farmers in Australia.
  Go woke, go broke has never been so obvious.
  Measuring a puck and elevation, give me a break.
  The loonies have escaped the asylum.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:10am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Escaped? Or are in control of the asylum.
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:54am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Ah well, at a recent climate change and the economy conference I attended, one of the erudite environmental economics expert commentators basically said yeah, you’re going to have to find a way of looking after all of those who get displaced in the transition…
    
    Happy days
    
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    March 20, 2021 11:51am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      First show me climate change.
      
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      March 20, 2021 2:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Are we happy?

Finland ranked happiest country in the world – again
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56457295
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March 20, 2021 8:55am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Wait a minute – I thought we residents of aotearoa were demonstrably ‘happy’
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:03am
  - sooty
    
    But maybe the residents of New Zealand are not!
    
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    March 20, 2021 11:00am
- pdm
  
  Imagine how happy New Zealanders would be if we had an even half competent government instead of the current lot.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:05am
  - Paulus
    
    But, But , 53% of the voters overwhelmingly voted for her !
    So suck it up.
    
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    March 20, 2021 1:14pm
- odysseus
  
  Yes we are – the only non-European country in the top 10. Though you wouldn’t think so round here.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:08am
- cmm
  
  I see “Taiwan Provice of China” is up.
  
  Who funds this shit?
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:11am
mikenmildagain

Joyeux journée internationale de la Francophonie!
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March 20, 2021 9:04am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Aujourd’hui je vais commenter en français.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:09am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Bonjour, m’sieu – comment ca va ?
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:20am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Très bien merci. Et vous?
      
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      March 20, 2021 9:25am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Je vais bien merci. Pas content que le temps soit frais cependant.
        
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        March 20, 2021 11:44am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Froid aussi pour le grillon à Dunedin.
        
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        March 20, 2021 12:04pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Mais pourquoi?
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:28am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Pur célébrer la journée internationale de la Francophonie, et parce que je peux.
      
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      March 20, 2021 9:47am
      - oldfella
        
        ‘Piss off, Frenchie’. 😉
        BTW, I’d have said that in French, but my abysmal result in SC French back in the day won’t allow it.
        
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        March 20, 2021 10:36am
      - chukar
        
        A great language Te Francaise!
        Are you all from Akaroa on Banks Peninsula ( of Bully Hayes fame)?
        Or has it been renamed?
        
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        March 20, 2021 11:42am
      - lifesgood
        
        Vous est fou.
        
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        March 20, 2021 1:05pm
      - CommanderC
        
        Oh j’ai oublié qu’aujourd’hui est le jour.
        
        Je voudrais me rendre en Nouvelle-Calédonie pour fêter cela 🙂
        
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        March 20, 2021 3:58pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Have you identified your intersectionality of the day?
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:54am
    - Mike
      
      Non, pourquois?
      
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      March 20, 2021 10:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    Qu’est-ce qui est smarmy en français mikey?
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:14am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Filemu.
    
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    March 20, 2021 2:13pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  http://theworldwidedeclineoffrench.blogspot.com/
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Mais les americains sont philistines.
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:49am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Hon hon hon.
      
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      March 20, 2021 11:11am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Sacre bleu – les Américains étaient nos sauveurs pendant la guerre. Ferme la bouche.
      
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      March 20, 2021 11:47am
  - oldfella
    
    Maggy, so French and German are on the way out.
    The really good news is Te Reo is on the way in as we build towards a brighter future.
    What could possibly go wrong?
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:39am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Te Reo for most of us has been irrelevant since 1840.
      
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      March 20, 2021 2:14pm
    - Mike
      
      Mais mon ami, j’adore te reo…
      
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      March 20, 2021 2:26pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      What could possibly go wrong?
      
      You could end up talking to yourself..
      
      https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/12/want-influence-world-map-reveals-best-languages-speak
      
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      March 20, 2021 2:29pm
Inandout

Biden stumbles twice while boarding an aircraft, blamed on ‘high winds’. Just imagine if Trump had stumbled, the media would have been in the throws of glee. The media waited 4 years for even a slip on a gang plank, barely noticeable, but showed Trump was ‘unsteady’ and obviously too old.
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- Apropos of the Wet Snow
  
  The difference is stark, to say the least.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:12am
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    Follow-up comment on the inconsistency and blatant activism exhibited by the MSM: Trump contracts covid-19 and recovers miraculously in about 3 days, then runs for and wins re-election. If any of this was true of Biden, he would be feted as a triumphant God Emperor. But none of this is true of Biden, notwithstanding his installation as the 46th President. Because it was Trump, it was “Yeah, but he didn’t even wear a mask when he appeared on the White House balcony for his Mussolini Moment!”. We know. Wasn’t that great?
    
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    March 20, 2021 11:12am
- cmm
  
  C’mon admit it. He’s doing way better than you thought.
  I doubted he’d be doing as well as he is, but I wasn’t expecting much.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:13am
  - Tall Man
    
    // missing?
    
    Please list his “achievements”…… and no, staying awake doesn’t count.
    
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    March 20, 2021 9:58am
- virtualmark
  
  People stumble on stairs. We’ve all done it. Pence did it, Bush did it, Ford did it … to name just a few.
  
  Trump though is unsteady. Watch footage of him and it’s clear he can’t walk in a straight line any more, and it’s clear he’s dragging his feet. Fun fact: A lot of neurological conditions can be diagnosed from gait, because one of the first problems is losing the ability to lift your foot upwards using your shin muscles.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:14am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Did Hillary stumble before being carried into the limo?
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:44am
  - Inandout
    
    Oh please virtual, don’t insult our intelligence. I have seen screeds of video on Trump and he walks like any tall person. Biden on the other hand shuffles like any rest home male may well do, it is an age thing for some people. You may well add that Biden’s oration is different because he has a ‘speech impediment’; FFS give us a break.
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:45am
    - virtualmark
      
      Inandout … watch the video where Biden trips. Apart from the trip he’s getting up those steps pretty fast for a 78yo.
      
      Go watch video of Trump where he’s walking a reasonable distance (say, 20m) in a “straight” line. He weaves from side to side. And he often swings his leg out sideways rather than raising his foot.
      
      I think both Trump and Biden are too old for the role. But Biden is in much better physical and mental health than Trump.
      
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      March 20, 2021 1:33pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Now THAT is delusional, truly delusional.
        
        If Biden is mentally adept, why, since the start of his run for POTUS, has he not had a press conference where spontaneous questions were asked. Every single one, and all his “meetings” with voters and supported were scripted from start to finish. Questions pre-selected, and answers pre-prepared and given to Joe, in order.
        
        In that same time period Trump gave any number of spontaneous answers to questions as they occurred.
        
        You need to watch just a few of the videos available (no, not the ones where he fondles little girls), the ones where he admits that he is confused and doesn’t know where he is or what he is supposed to do next. Where he forgets not just his Sec Def’s name, but where that person works (ps, it’s the obscure place called “The Pentagon”). Or where he produces word salad and can’t say words – and no it ain’t a stutter, he’s trying to read words but they don’t make sense to him so cannot say them properly.
        
        He may not have lost all his marbles, but there sure is a big hole in the bag. And you know, you are going to have to admit this fact pretty soon, and we’ll be sure to remind you of your determination not to see what is right before your eyes.
        
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        March 20, 2021 6:01pm
  - kowtow
    
    The difference is that this frail ,doddery old man is doing impressions of “fit young buck’ with his bouncey , joggey style that his handlers probably taught him during the election campaign .
    
    And it’s come back to bite him on the shins.
    
    Bwa ha ha.
    
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    March 20, 2021 12:00pm
  - covfefe
    
    Biden walking to that plane looks like he has Parkinson’s.
    
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    March 20, 2021 2:15pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Biden getting on an plane, knock me over with a feather, I thought he never left his chair.
  Did they have a bed for him to have a nap, massive flight just over an hour.
  New loading system being planned as we speak.
  Observation, why does this aged individual have to run everywhere?
  People voted for this, just unbelievable. Or did they!
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:30am
- GazzaW
  
  Ever tripped on an airport gangway Inandout? I’m guessing that most of us have done so several times over the course of our travelling lives.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:30am
  - oldfella
    
    Agree, but Biden didn’t just slip. He went ice skating.
    Can’t wait for the merciless mocking he’ll get on SNL.
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:42am
  - peterwn
    
    The Secret Service should hire a catering truck off Skychef. The President can get into the back at ground level, then the whole back of the truck is elevated to cabin door level with a scissor jack arrangement.
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:48am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Not me….I remember my fathers advice…look where you put you feet.
    
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    March 20, 2021 1:35pm
- JibberJabber
  
  It wasn’t the wind,
  https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1372982815109840898
  
  ?
  https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1372968668313751552/photo/1
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:33am
  - SB2
    
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    What a laugh. The former Commnder in Cheat having a swing at game he was hopelessly inept at without resorting to cheating.
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:13am
    - JibberJabber
      
      You seem defensive Steffy, Trump still living rent free in that tiny space in your head?
      
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      March 20, 2021 10:41am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Stairs were the undoing of the Dalek’s as well and Jodie Whittaker will be the undoing of Dr Who
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:47am
    - alloytoo
      
      I don’t mind Whittaker, it’s the poor writing that’s the problem.
      
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      March 20, 2021 4:45pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Don’t visit Wellington (or the Chatham Islands)
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:33am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    We spread those wind rumours to keep Aucklanders out.
    
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    March 20, 2021 1:36pm
- redeye
  
  “Just imagine if Trump had stumbled”
  
  Actually we don’t have to imagine;-
  
  He once mocked former President Donald Trump after videos of his predecessor walking gingerly walking down a ramp at West Point went viral.
  
  “Watch how I run up ramps and he stumbles down ramps. OK? Come on,” Biden said last September.
  
  https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/joe-biden-takes-public-tumble-boarding-air-force-one-photos/news-story/291dde8bfa5d4fc3ebe13c50cea9f00e
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:46am
  - SB2
    
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    Trump may not have stumbled but he certainly knew how to cheat at his golf and cook his books,
    
    https://golf.com/lifestyle/celebrities/how-why-president-trump-cheats-golf-playing-tiger-woods/
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:14am
  - Conservatarian
    
    The White House is normalising elder abuse. Dr Jill Biden, the second most well known doctor in the US afer the sainted Lord Fauci, needs to put a stop to this. Won’t someone think of this poor demented, frail old Grandpa Joe installed by the deep state as a trojan horse for the radical left.
    
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    March 20, 2021 2:40pm
- MCos
  
  He did and they did.
  He then went to great lengths to explain it away, to the great amusement of the people of at least one of his rallies.
  Putin, Kim Jung Un, plus various US Presidents down through the years seem to insist on demonstrating their manliness to the world with physical exploits; as if it matters.
  Others like to wear military uniforms covered in bling and still others like Yeltsin & Muldoon get drunk.
  BTW
  Gerald Ford also tripped on the steps of AF1 years ago.
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:06am
  - Nukuleka
    
    And then there are presidents like Biden who forget that they are president and call their Vice President ‘President Harris’. Or was it the wind that caused that?
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:28am
  - oldfella
    
    Still waiting for our own Glorious Leader to demonstrate her ‘manliness’.
    I’d settle for one of her cabinet doing it for her, if she could find a ‘manly man’ in that sorry lot. /s
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:46am
  - Inandout
    
    MCos, of course Ford was Republican eh?
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:48am
  - chukar
    
    Remember the NZ “ Journalists “ treatment of Don Brashs stumble?
    
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    March 20, 2021 11:51am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Yes, but with Ford, it was whispered in Washington that he couldn’t walk and chew gum at the same time.
    
    Didn’t manage that badly as POTUS though, for all that.
    
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    March 20, 2021 6:03pm
- Fletch
  
  Trump consented to a complete physical while in command, and made it public in a press conference. Had his doctor up there giving the full rundown for around an hour, answering questions. When is Biden going to submit to a physical? And a cognitive test?
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:36am
  - virtualmark
    
    All news of all President’s physical health are propaganda. Roosevelt, Reagan, Trump etc. They are press releases intended to make the public feel safe rather than honest medical appraisals.
    
    None are worth the paper they are written on.
    
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    March 20, 2021 1:35pm
- kloyd0306
  
  Then there’s this:
  “Mummy, I have been touched inappropriately.”
  Mother: “Was it a Republican or a Democrat?
  
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  March 20, 2021 1:35pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Definitely a Demoncrat.
    
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    March 20, 2021 3:16pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Then, kiddo, shut up and get ready for next time…
      
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      March 20, 2021 6:04pm
Debsta

Time for some bold leadership surely, rather than the “be kind” variety. A kind parent gives in to the whining, a generous parent does not. A kind teacher patronises a failing student, a good teacher encourages. A kind boss sweeps problems under the rug, a great boss deals with the tough stuff.
So keep your kindness bullshit, and give me a brave and ambitious government every time.
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March 20, 2021 9:10am
- artemisia
  
  The current government often self-describes as ambitious. Usually when telling the people why they failed to deliver.
  
  In September 2017 we the people said to them – all good then, carry on.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    That is incorrect.
    
    I would assume that the bulk who voted for “what’s in it for wynston” expected him to do a sweetheart deal with National.
    
    Had he declared his intentions prior to the election he wouldn’t have featured and National would have romped home.
    
    Now, 2020 is a totally different story and I put it down to abject stupidity as a direct result of failing education and a complicit media allowing a total incompetent surrounded by even more incompetents to appear to “save” us from a non existent threat. The media also became the attack dog of the government and maintained a biased and distorted attack on the previous government.
    
    Can anyone recall a time when the opposition featured so negatively and so frequently in the media…….
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:32am
    - Ian Boag
      
      “I would assume” ….”would have” … “might have”….
      
      It’s called “counterfactual analysis”. What [could/should/might] have been – or not. Noone will ever know if you are right (or wrong). But “because I say so and I am Tall Man” should be a clincher ….
      
      a non existent threat
      
      You routinely sneak this one in. There are an awful lot of people who disagree with you. Probably because of their “abject stupidity as a direct result of failing education”. A bit like Hillary Clinton and her “deplorables” ….
      
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      December 20, 2019 6:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Can you imagine one of our TV broadcasters talking about Global Warming like this?

“As far as I can tell, major economic decisions across the planet are predicated on a theory from two decades ago – if not longer – that doesn’t stack up, for the obvious reasons that so many predicted outcomes have not occurred.”

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6241858863001
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March 20, 2021 9:11am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, imagine sane people watching our TV news.
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:50am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Wow who is that guy and how have they not cancelled him?
  
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  March 20, 2021 11:10am
- theoldbloke
  
  He is slightly wrong…try 3 decades ago, not 2!!
  
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  March 20, 2021 4:48pm
calendar girl

We read of the millions of people in other countries being vaccinated through the foresight of their Governments and the actions of those Governments taken against the Covid-19 scourge.

When can we expect to learn from our Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern:
a) what quantities and types of Covid-19 vaccines has her Government secured for this country?
b) how many NZers are able to be fully vaccinated using approved Covid-19 vaccines already delivered into this country?
c) how many (or what percentage of) NZers have been fully vaccinated to date?
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March 20, 2021 9:12am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I heard on the radio this morning some lobbyist demanding that the Government launch an education program to convince pacific communities that the vaccines are OK. Because “his people feel unsafe”.
  
  This stuff makes me sick. This attitude is simply absent in Chinese communities in New Zealand. All of my friends want as little to do with government as possible.
  
  If they don’t want to get the vaccine leave them to it. Anybody with common sense can use Google to get good information about the vaccines and make their own judgements. And the New Zealand government would be my last choice for getting any reliable information on covid or the vaccines.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:47am
  - hilaryt
    
    This ‘his people’, ‘my people’ BS has got to stop, agree. Nobody speaks for me and I don’t expect or want them to. I am my own fact-finder and boss. If Pasifika or any ethnic group prefer to kowtow to some leader figure for their information then they only have themselves to blame. Far as I can see most of them genuflect to the saviour PM, so what’s the problem over vaccines when everything else has been hoovered up to now?
    
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    March 20, 2021 4:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Some info here:
  
  https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
  
  As of 17 March 2021 – 27,000 first doses given.
  
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  March 20, 2021 9:49am
  - SB2
    
    Thats right and as of 3/03/21 well ahead of Austrlia in vaccination roll out,
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/124421168/covid19-new-zealand-beating-australias-vaccination-rates-with-9000-doses-given
    
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    March 20, 2021 10:31am
    - I remember when
      
      Yes. I can see how 9441 is more than 45,754.
      
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      March 20, 2021 12:44pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      First they have to have a vaccine. Most on offer are not vaccines and as such that description does not comply with the Medicines Act.
      
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      March 20, 2021 2:22pm
    - theoldbloke
      
      Isnt it about time someone sued Stuff for false advertising? (I would but the pension doesnt go far)
      
      At Stuff, our mission has always been to provide you with trustworthy, accurate and reliable news and information. We’ve never taken your support for granted. And we need it now more so than ever to fulfill our duty to you.
      
      That is provably bollocks.
      
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      March 20, 2021 4:51pm
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Apparently a bloke in Tauranga is the first death, from the vaccine. I bet the media won’t be publishing those stats, like they did the Covid deaths.
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:50am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Evidence?
    
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    March 20, 2021 3:30pm
cas

$100 million on the ground after the apple picking season because of (mostly) the lack of pickers. A strawberry grower throwing it in. And how will the kiwifruit harvest go? This govt has no idea about who we need to keep our primary industries going. You can advertise all you like but in the end NZer aren’t out there or aren’t willing. I guess if the industries could say they needed entertainers or nannies to pick they might have a show.
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March 20, 2021 9:17am
- I remember when
  
  Despite the comments made when Supermarket produce prices were mentioned during the week.
  It would seem that local prices are being seriously affected because of supplier problems.
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:33am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s being repeated throughout the world. It’s getting worse. Soon our PM and her Pooh Bah won’t know what to say about prices.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/things-are-out-control-there-shortage-everything-and-prices-are-soaring-what-happens-next
    
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    March 20, 2021 2:25pm
- cmm
  
  Come, here’s a hug. We can do hugz…
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:49am
  - sooty
    
    Be kind!
    
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    March 20, 2021 11:04am
- Master Mariner
  
  In reply to my complaint about not being able to access a MIQ voucher at short notice due to the very nature of being a Seafarer,
  
  The replies in a nut shell stated,
  
  I should not of Left NZ as it was against MBIE advice not too travel.
  So hence my fault.
  
  Question: How do they think supermarkets get filled?
  
  As stated previously, supply chains are smashed and getting worse.
  
  I not only have a professional duty but a moral duty to keep supply chains running.
  This government does not have a clue, and how isolated NZ actually is.
  
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  March 20, 2021 4:07pm
Jack5

The State media bloc’s softening the country up for the return of the female member of the ISIS terrorism group.

She will be under a control order under the Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) of 2019.

During the third reading of the bill that became this legislation, National MP Mark Mitchell said:

“The Minister [Andrew Little] should not be standing in this House and telling New Zealand that this bill provides the protection that they deserve. It does not.

National had suggested seven amendments to the bill and these were rejected.

The Greens had got all the changes to the bill they wanted, Mitchell said.
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March 20, 2021 9:28am
- kowtow
  
  The sympathetic tones of the Media pardy towards this person who participated in a genocidal movement are interesting.
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:35am
  - nathie
    
    And you just know there would be NO sympathetic tones from the MSM if such a woman was married to white supremacist terrorists, as an example (and why should there be)?
    
    Just pointing out the leftie/MSM double standards!
    
    There should be no sympathy for either situation, both are equally bad, as both would know what they are getting into.
    
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    March 20, 2021 2:44pm
pdm

`Epsom stabbing: Man critically injured under police guard’

I have just taken the above from the Herald site.

Must remember not to have the police guard me if I am under threat of stabbing.
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March 20, 2021 9:38am
- SB2
  
  pdm, the point you’re trying to make ?
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:33am
  - lifesgood
    
    SB2, don’t you know anything about grammar?
    
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    March 20, 2021 1:11pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “SB2, don’t you know anything”
      
      Fixed it for you 😉
      
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      March 20, 2021 2:31pm
    - SB2
      
      So what is pdm trying to say?
      
      Please decode his ” brain teaser” ?
      
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      March 20, 2021 3:36pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The headline is elliptical (Look that up)
        
        It could be interpreted as:
        Man critically injured WHILE under police guard
        
        or
        
        Man critically injured IS under police guard.
        
        If you didn’t know the back story, you wouldn’t know which alternative is correct.
        
        Get it?
        
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        March 20, 2021 4:51pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Ah Maggy,
        He simply won’t get it – he’s too thick. He won’t even thank you for trying to help.
        He’s a lost cause I’m afraid.
        
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        March 20, 2021 7:51pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  On the Newstalk ZB this morning the newsreader said that “Police will know more when they have interviewed everyone involved”.
  
  Given that two of those who were “involved” are dead, are they going to bring officers from Wellington Paranormal in to conduct those interviews?
  
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  March 20, 2021 3:09pm
TWEEDSE

From this mornings NZ Horrid, “TVNZ Breakfast host John Campbell escapes censure for calling Donald Trump’s son ‘a total dick'”.

Well John…pot-kettle-black.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/tvnz-breakfast-host-john-campbell-escapes-censure-for-calling-donald-trumps-son-a-total-dick/DS32PR32NJJWFGW6N4ZD5X2HEI/
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March 20, 2021 9:50am
- I remember when
  
  Was it because nobody listens to him so they don’t know whether he said it or not.
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:26am
- SB2
  
  Well, fowling in Dad’s footsteps he is a bit of a dick in many ways.
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:33am
  - lifesgood
    
    Is his father a rooster?
    
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    March 20, 2021 1:12pm
- crikey
  
  Campbell is certainly a dick-head id not a total dick.
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:41am
- nathie
  
  See – the BSA generally always backs up the media (when it could be argued they shouldn’t have).
  
  But why they didn’t back up Sean Plunket in regards to the unintelligible muppet running the Northland road blocks last year (who could not articulate where his authority to do so came from) just goes to show the BSA has a leftie world view bias.
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:46am
lazza

Newshub has this incedible indictment on our Useless Incompetent Dumbass Government.

Quote:

Revealed: The multimillion-dollar cost of the Government’s emergency motel policy
18/03/2021

Newshub can reveal the multimillion-dollar extent of the Government’s emergency motel bill and just how much Kiwis are forking out to some of the top earners.

One motel made $6 million off the Government last year, charging much more for rooms than it normally would.

In the three months to December 2017, the Government spent $6.6 million on motels. By the following year it more than tripled and just keeps growing.

In the same period last year, the Government spend skyrocketed to $82.5 million on motels.

Rental prices are out of control in New Zealand, leaving many to seek emergency accommodation.

Salamasina has just moved into Oakwood Manor with her one-year-old. Emergency housing accommodation is a last resort.

“Before moving here we were trying to find a rental and a friend to stay with so they could help pay,” she told Newshub.

Newshub can reveal the top 10 earning motels collectively raked in $40 million of Government cash in just the last year – the top three charging more than $5 million each.

“I don’t blame the motels,” says National’s housing spokesperson Nicola Willis. “If I was a motel owner and I saw this Government coming, I might try it on too.”

The number one earner, MCentral Apartments in Manukau, was paid $6 million – an average of $444 a night. It’s advertising rooms to the public starting at $170.

“We have to charge more than we charge corporates because there’s more damage to deal with, there’s more hassle to deal with, it’s just more difficult,” said a director who spoke on the condition he wasn’t named.

“It’s part of the sort of ‘danger money’ that we factor into it.”

Newshub re South Auckland emergency social housing inMotels …
It’s danger money or no deal.

“We wouldn’t house them, we wouldn’t bother, it just wouldn’t be worth our time because of the amount of hassle,” he said. “Some accommodation providers just refuse to deal with them at all.”

And those that do, charge through the nose.

“I think all accommodation providers do charge a higher rate, I mean we’re charging the same market rate that other providers charge,” he said.

It’s news to Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni.

“If there are issues with regards to whether or not they are charging more to [Ministry of Social Development] clients than they would to be to others, then yes it should be looked into,” she told Newshub.

“I’m going to explore this.”

Sepuloni could ask the Associate Minister of Housing with responsibility for homelessness, Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson, to shoulder the load.

But in the five months that she’s been a minister, Davidson hasn’t taken a paper to the Cabinet committee or issued a press release.

“Not yet,” she said, adding that she’s been engaging with the community.

Newshub checked Davidson’s latest ministerial diary. In January there were just two housing entries – a couple of interviews.

She walked away when pressed on what work she’s been doing in housing.

Ab so-bloody-ee Un-be- bloody-liev -able.

And don’t forget ffolkes … Its your (borrowed to the hilt) taxpayer’s dollars.

This will not end “well”.
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March 20, 2021 9:52am
- ISeeRed
  
  It’s about time. And what about the cost of renovating or repairing motel rooms after each stay? WINZ pays for that too, apparently.
  
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  March 20, 2021 12:17pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Labour and the Greens bitched and moaned that National was spending $90,000 a day on housing the homeless in motels. Now Marama Davidson is spending $1,000,000 a day, more than ten times what she criticised National for doing.
  
  Just remember this Marama; that’s OUR money you are splashing around so freely!
  
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  March 20, 2021 3:12pm
Benedict Yu

The government is paying 350 000 dollars to provide counselling for orchard owners whose fruit is rotting because there are not enough fruit pickers.

While not allowing any fruit pickers from covid free countries to enter New Zealand without spending 14 days in a covid hotel with people from high risk countries.

And while paying hundreds of millions to able bodied young people to sit on the couch. There should be NO benefits for able bodied people under 50. It should be “here is bus ticket. The orchard owner will meet you at the other end. Here is 500 dollars to get you through to your first pay.”

What am I missing?
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March 20, 2021 9:53am
- Tall Man
  
  “kindness” and certainly hugz……
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:25am
- JimBobJoe
  
  That is a racist policy …..that would be the answer… Or you cant force people away from their families…. Etc etc
  
  Sensible policy Benedict imo but will never happen
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:50am
- oldfella
  
  Benedict: you’re missing the inept leadership of the Morrinsville Muppet.
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:52am
- Bob
  
  Benedict … you are missing the expectation that these “layabout on the couchers!” actually WANT TO BE EMPLOYED
  
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  March 20, 2021 12:02pm
- lifesgood
  
  I agree to a certain extent but the lazy bums sitting on a couch all day are probably more trouble than they are worth to the orchardists. I had an orchardist friend who employed beneficiaries on a part time basis. They were worse than useless, either turned up for work drugged up or didn’t turn up at all, also stole a lot of stuff. I don’t know what the answer is but welfare is just too darn easy to get.
  
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  March 20, 2021 1:17pm
- Paulus
  
  Benedict
  
  Not being nice !
  
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  March 20, 2021 1:35pm
- Jack5
  
  The good side of this, Benedict, is that it will hasten the automation of horticulture.
  
  In 2019, robot fruit picking began in Hawke’s Bay at T&G Growers, owned by the German firm BayWa Atiengesellschaft, which also owns the California robotics firm providing the technology.
  
  An American news item on robotic apple picking
  in Hawke’s Bay.
  
  https://yellrobot.com/apple-picking-robot-new-zealand-abundant-robotics/
  
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  March 20, 2021 1:42pm
  - Inandout
    
    Jack, what an incredible machine from a mostly white country. We would be lost without these clever white bastards.
    
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    March 20, 2021 5:00pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Fruit picking is to be automated.
  
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  March 20, 2021 2:27pm
  - artemisia
    
    New Zealand company RoboticsPlus is powering ahead with horticulture robotics. Kiwifruit picking. Apple sorting and packing tech up and running and being exported to large pack houses. That is a labour intensive (and boring) job that will eventually disappear due to automation.
    
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    March 20, 2021 7:15pm
artemisia

Our island nation knows a lot about our seas of course. Not just about sailing but also interesting posts here from Master Mariner and a few others.

Some might be interested in the below post from the Fortune AI newsletter – how and what AI is watching on the oceans. (Free newsletter subscription, one of many from Fortune).

https://fortune.com/2021/03/16/not-all-a-i-surveillance-is-a-bad-thing/
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March 20, 2021 10:05am
- Master Mariner
  
  What they failed to mention in the article was the use of Submarine beacons and the MED is littered with them due to being a shallow sea.
  
  Easy triangulation and signature of engine noise.
  
  AIS is a very basic system and in high piracy areas can be used against shipping and target identification.
  
  Information in is only as good as information out.
  
  https://www.gpsworld.com/new-gps-circle-spoofing-moves-ship-locations-thousands-of-miles/
  
  Yes all these small satilites being put into space can be hired to do all manner of things. satilites for hire so to speak
  Heres a common link most use.
  
  https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:82.9/centery:-37.1/zoom:4
  
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  March 20, 2021 2:31pm
plc

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300256874/ginny-andersen-admits-knowledge-of-electorate-office-deal-in-2017

Surprise, surprise….

Another one with a passing understanding of the truth
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March 20, 2021 10:06am
I remember when

HB Today: 18 March:
‘Six vehicle HB Expressway pileup prompts petition to remove side barriers.’
Emergency services struggled to reach six injured when a cement truck hit the car in front of it, shunting it into a ute and starting a ‘concertina’ of damage on SH2.
The accident occurred at 8.17am but the first ambulance, with 3 patients, arrived at HB Hospital at about 9.30am and a second, with 3 more, at 9.58am.
A friend of one of the victims started an online petition which had already attracted over 1000 signatories.
Waka Kotahi said the medium barriers have saved many lives and prevented serious injuries.
They will be debriefing with emergency services to understand what the issues were,
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March 20, 2021 10:16am
- kowtow
  
  Would make the roads a lot safer if drivers just stuck to the basic rules .
  
  Safe following distances , stay off the phone , pay attention to what you’re doing .
  
  Simples really.
  
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  March 20, 2021 11:04am
  - Ed Snack
    
    That crash was in fog, cars in front had slowed for something and a stupid concrete truck driver came piling through the fog at around 90 kph and had no way to slow down in time.
    
    No doubt he will be prosecuted for dangerous driving as indeed he should. Should have been driving as the road code states, at such a speed so he could stop inside the distance he could see.
    
    Just lucky that there were no deaths.
    
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    March 20, 2021 6:14pm
Liberty

Broadcasting Standards Authority is inconsistent.
It condemned Paul Henry’s “dickshit” quip
Yet John Campbell is ok the make a mockery of “Dicks”
Just another example of “Its ok if the left say it”

“A man with the surname ‘Dick’ who complained TV host John Campbell’s use of the term was “denigrating” to vulnerable children has had his complaint dismissed.
Alan Dick complained to the Broadcasting Standards Authority following a segment on TVNZ’s Breakfast in August 2020, which referred to a speech by Donald Trump Jr, the son of then-United States president Donald Trump.”
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March 20, 2021 10:17am
- nathie
  
  BSA sez “there is no inconsistency – white Dicks bad … but Dicks of Colour good” 😉
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:51am
Happychappy

International Tourism placed ‘to much pressure on places like Queenstown says Minister and brand NZ risked being damaged as a result.
So how long will it take Stuart Nash to fuck up Tourism just like with gun laws that now let’s gangs run rampant in most NZ Towns and Cities.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/19-03-2021/live-updates-march-19-astrazeneca-vaccine-ruled-safe-and-effective-despite-health-concerns/
You have to scroll down to find the story on International Tourism.
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March 20, 2021 10:27am
Fletch

From his own lips (video) –

“I would, in fact, make sure that there is, we immediate surge to the border, all those people seeking asylum they deserve to be heard”
– Joe Biden, September 12, 2019 debate

https://rumble.com/veqofn-biden-flashback-illegals-should-immediately-surge-to-the-border-when-im-pre.html
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March 20, 2021 10:30am
Maggie Pie

I just KNEW these memes would start coming in 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/NautPoso/status/1372953033194233857
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March 20, 2021 10:38am
- SB2
  
  Yeah ,Trump swinging and cheating at golf!
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:57am
- oldfella
  
  Wonderful, Maggie. I burst out laughing. 🙂
  
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  March 20, 2021 10:57am
- sooty
  
  LMFAO!
  Thanks Maggie, I enjoyed that!
  
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  March 20, 2021 11:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Fore!
  
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  March 20, 2021 11:18am
  - oldfella
    
    No, Maggy, he only stumbled THREE times, not ‘fore’.
    A little ‘birdie’ told me. He certainly didn’t soar like an ‘eagle’. I’m sure Biden’s health will become his biggest ‘bogey’. An ‘albatross’ around his neck – his biggest ‘handicap’. He’s so obviously way below ‘par’. A right old ‘duff’. No ‘drive’ left.
    
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    March 20, 2021 12:15pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You’ve aced it.
      
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      March 20, 2021 3:45pm
- curry4me
  
  Maggie Pie: Thanks for that.
  
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  March 20, 2021 4:46pm
Swifty

Gregory Fortuin rewrites history and tells porkie-pies to advance a white supremacy narrative!

I refer you to Mr Fortuin’s latest piece in today’s Stuff:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/124587994/two-years-after-mosque-murders-white-supremacy-still-pervades-corridors-of-power

In the piece Mr Fortuin states: “In 2001 I was denied access to an exclusive club in Wellington for wearing a zebra shirt and an African jacket. This year, Māori Party co-leader Rawiri Waititi was kicked out of Parliament for wearing his hei tiki. Black students here are still having to fight for the right to braid their hair. In 2021, white supremacy is still the standard.”

Mr Fortuin refers to the 2001 incident at the Wellington Club on The Terrace where he was invited to lunch by a club member. The club member let the show down a little bit by not informing him beforehand that the rules members had voted for themselves and guests was that a jacket and tie were required when attending the club.

Mr Fortuin duly rocked up without a tie and was welcomed, informed (and the member reminded) of the rules and offered a tie (and jacket if he wished) to wear over lunch. Mr Fortuin declined the offer of a tie and he and the member went for lunch elsewhere. He then went and made a deal of it at a Parliamentary Committee to discuss Race Relations Office funding.

It is quite disgraceful for Mr Fortuin to now label this event as an example of ‘white supremacy’. It was then and remains one simply of a group of private individuals coming together in the form of a club, setting membership rules of conduct and insisting on them being upheld by members and guests of members. Exactly the same as the local bowls club, the local Shinto Shrine, the local Marae, the uniform requirements of the local cricket club etc etc etc.

Mtr Fortuin was not ‘denied access’ for wearing a “zebra shirt and an African jacket”, rather he was asked to attire himself according to club rules just as he would have been if he turned up in scuba gear, a loincloth, a pink tutu or tramping gear – and nothing whatsoever to do with race.

He declined to do so and chose to meet and eat with his friend elsewhere.

After this became news the members committee dispatched Wyn Beasley, a committee member, to discuss the matter with Mr Fortuin and help him to better understand the club, the club traditions and the rules the members have set for themselves in the context of a private club. Subsequent to this discussion Mr Fortuin issued an apology:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/race-relations-conciliator-sorry-for-jacket-clash-at-club/KFLLTBBOIRGHZLXY2FT7NZ3WQ4/

It is now quite disgraceful for Mr Fortuin to rewrite history and characterise this incident as one of ‘white supremacy’. By doing so he injects race into a situation which has nothing to do whatsoever with race and everything to do with a private club setting and insisting on codes of attire and conduct of members and guests.

I’m just off the phone with a club member who was on the Club Member’s Committee at the time and he confirms my recollection of events.

Mr Fortuin should apologise to the Club and Club members. Again.

Failing that let’s see Mr Fortuin rock up to the local masjid at 1pm for Friday prayers wearing a nice evening gown and heels or budgie smugglers, gumboots and a singlet and when asked to change into something more appropriate racing to the media railing about ‘Islamic Supremacy.’

At least then he’d be consistent.
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March 20, 2021 10:46am
- Jack5
  
  Whoop! I also posted on this Swifty before I had read your post. Sorry.
  
  The moderation queue makes it easier to double up. If I had been aware, I would have edited my post and posted it as a reply to your post.
  
  Fortuin and Stuff should now apologise for today’s misrepresentation of the Wellington Club incident.
  
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  March 20, 2021 1:46pm
  - Swifty
    
    No worries at all Jack5.
    
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    March 20, 2021 3:29pm
- kowtow
  
  Not to mention the disgraceful conduct of stuff to perpetuate the lie .
  
  Fact checks , fat chance .
  
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  March 20, 2021 3:49pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Is this the same Gregory Fortuin that was a history teacher at Morrinsville College when Jacinda was there, 1994-98?
  He had taught our two daughters and I found him to be a wonderful history teacher, but I think the idea to revise our history since then may have impacted severely upon his thinking capacity.
  
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  March 20, 2021 4:08pm
Maggie Pie

My partner gave ‘HITMAN’ a crack just after Christmas.

Went to Bunnings early this morning and bought 2L of ‘ROUNDUP’.

Just saying.
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March 20, 2021 11:35am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Yates had a similar product made out of coconut oil or some such. Really expensive and not that effective.
  
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  March 20, 2021 11:54am
- H. Upmann
  
  I am sure the ingredients cost of a litre of HITMAN = about $1.00 and advertising about $10.00
  
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  March 20, 2021 12:32pm
oldfella

Spiked! tackles ‘The Tyranny of ‘Lived Experience’.
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‘Lived experience’ is the great incontestable. No doubt may be expressed about a person’s lived experience. It is the truth and nothing but the truth. We’ve witnessed this over the past few days as people have been demonised, hounded and in some cases even sacked for having had the temerity to question Meghan Markle’s ‘lived experience’ of royal racism and mental-health problems.
Piers Morgan got the heave-ho from ‘Good Morning Britain’ for saying he didn’t believe a word of what she said. That’s pure blasphemy. Disputing lived experience is to 2021 what disputing the Word of God was to 1521.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/03/19/the-tyranny-of-lived-experience/
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March 20, 2021 11:36am
lazza

Do Nothing’s Sepiloni and Marama are cited for taking circa $250 K pa “plus” … on false pretences.

Hook into Parliament TV any day the House is sitting … and view the talk a big game-do nothing brigade-rabble sitting on the same side as Madam Ardern … that is costing us circa $14 Mill pa.
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March 20, 2021 11:42am
- Tall Man
  
  “that is costing us circa $14 Mill pa”
  
  You wish. This lot have cost us billions.
  
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  March 20, 2021 2:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So Biden slipped, big deal. He is not the first.
https://rumble.com/vetqr9-cnn-gets-roasted-for-old-segment-on-trump-after-bidens-big-fall.html?
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March 20, 2021 11:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Quite sad that tis sick man is being used in this manner. The Dems are evil
  
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  March 20, 2021 12:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    this* ffs
    
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    March 20, 2021 12:04pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  LOL!!!
  
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  March 20, 2021 12:05pm
- JibberJabber
  
  What the Left are really pissed off about is the fact that they, just can’t Meme! ?
  https://twitter.com/mcarbon218/status/1373017106292281357
  
  https://twitter.com/theonlyrymac/status/1372990002557288449
  
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  March 20, 2021 12:20pm
oldfella

Oh, Canada. And coming soon to ayoteearower.
Father Arrested, Jailed For Contempt After Referring To His Daughter As ‘She,’ Voicing Dissent In Interviews
On Tuesday, the father of a biological girl who believes she is a boy turned himself into a Canadian court and was subsequently taken to jail after the Attorney General of British Columbia issued an arrest warrant for contempt after the father had insisted on referring to his daughter as his “daughter” and used the pronouns “she” and “her.”
https://www.dailywire.com/news/father-arrested-jailed-for-contempt-after-referring-to-his-daughter-as-she?%3Futm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwtwitter
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March 20, 2021 12:05pm
oldfella

Plummeting sperm counts, and shrinking penises!
Sound just like the current load of limp dicks in the Labour Govt, but apparently this will be our fate as well from the toxic chemicals threatening humanity.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich
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March 20, 2021 12:07pm
- Inandout
  
  old, the guardian blocked me but my first thought was Errol Flynn having a laugh from the grave.
  
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  March 20, 2021 2:10pm
I remember when

“Is there a piece of data that gobsmacked you this past year.’
In our early work we did some modeling in the Rohinya camps. Our assumptions were extremely high transmission rates, overwhelmed hospitals and an increase in deaths. Proportionally less than other countries because more children and less older people.
That’s what we told UN, NGOs and government.
While transmission rates may have as high as we predicted, hospitals were not overwhelmed in many places, and it is possible the high death rates did not occur.
Of course some deaths may have been hidden. but I’ve been surprised in many places of conflict that hospitals appear not to have been overwhelmed like we’ve seen in other countries.”
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March 20, 2021 12:32pm
- Master Mariner
  
  FWIW just left Yangon 2 days for the sanctuary of Thailand.
  Of interest to me is the COVID count in Myanmar as before the Coup it was getting extremely high.
  Hence all our precautions etc,
  Be very interesting what the COVID count is now after continous demonstrations etc.
  Are they still counting?
  All nurses etc are all striking.
  Sadly the death count is going expotential due ongoing violence.
  On a more sombre note it will be interesting when COVID cases are reconfirmed and if increased and by how much?
  
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  March 20, 2021 2:40pm
Jack5

Stuff hammers remaining White newspaper subscribers today with an article by former Race Relations Commissioner Gregory Fortuin.

Fortuin writes:

“This year, Maori Party co-leader Rawiri Waititi was kicked out of Parliament for wearing his hei tiki. Black students are still having to fight for the right to braid their hair. In 2021 white supremacy is still the standard.”

Waititi was asked to step out of the House of Representatives because he wasn’t wearing a tie, which at that time was the dress code for males in the House.

If he’d draped his tiki loosely over the top the Speaker would likely have allowed it, just as he would have not been bothered by a tie pin. In fact the Speaker probably wouldn’t have noticed the tiki in that case, given the distraction of Waititi’s black cowboy hat, symbol of the frontiersmen who subdued North America’s indigenous people.

The comment today echoes Fortuin’s own run in at the Wellington Club. He tried to enter without a tie, breaching the club’s dress code.

In today’s Stuff article Fortuin links this to Waititi’s dress confrontation with the Parliamentary Speaker. Fortuin writes:

“In 2001 I was denied access to an exclusive club in Wellington for wearing a zebra shirt and an African jacket.”

A brief link on Wikipedia, says of Fortuin and the Wellington Club: “Eventually, he conceded that his behaviour during the incident was inappropriate.”

The rules on school haircuts apply to non-Black pupils,too. Perhaps Fortuin would like braided hair exemptions for any Black soldiers in the NZ Army, as well.

It’s now a tradition to have a loose cannon as race relations commissioner. More recent is the State media bloc – State Radio, State TV, and the subsidised newspapers – cheering the commisioners on.
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March 20, 2021 12:46pm
- Swifty
  
  That was from Fortuin a disgraceful slur on Wellington Club members – he has in effect labelled them white supremacists; merely for insisting on adherence to a dress code.
  
  What have we come to when a former Race Relations Commissioner, no less, is prepared to label people as racists so wrongfully, blatantly and in such a reckless and carefree manner.
  
  I know for a fact that a serving Race Relations Commissioner would have been welcomed to the Club with open arms, as he in fact was, as is anyone – as long as they adhere to the rules that apply to anyone; to come correctly attired.
  
  Fortuin’s piece today is utterly shameful and he should apologise.
  
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  March 20, 2021 2:22pm
RW Capitalist

https://www.tampabay.com/news/nation-world/2021/03/19/trumps-mar-a-lago-partially-closed-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak-report-says/
and on CNN, I saw them gleefully “spiking the football” (to use an americanism).
So I just had to look up another angle.
PARTIAL was not mentioned on CNN, no details…just TRUMP’s Maralago resort.
No concern for the couple of employees who actually have/had it (unclear as to whether they are still ill).
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March 20, 2021 12:58pm
Inandout

Only in the US we used to say, but not now.
‘A transgender person is now one step closer to being crowned Miss USA. Kataluna Enriquez, a biological male, won the Miss Silver State USA pageant this week, an event considered the biggest preliminary competition for the Miss Nevada USA pageant, KVVU-TV reported’.
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March 20, 2021 1:56pm
- kowtow
  
  Are “beauty” contests OK again , I thort the feminists were dead against them or is there now a movement for faux femmes to take part , as long as they can tuck their dicks up between their buttocks ……
  
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  March 20, 2021 3:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump/Suess.
https://uniteamericafirst.com/silly-a-perfect-maga-moment-of-good-humor-share-this-to-watch-a-democrat-flip-out/?
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March 20, 2021 1:57pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Imagine if Joe had been wearing heels 😀
  
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  March 20, 2021 2:01pm
  - rockape
    
    At least he would have had an excuse.
    
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    March 20, 2021 5:19pm
- Inandout
  
  Steve, humour eventually brought down the Soviet Bloc. Ridiculing those in charge goes back to Roman times and the Biden administration sure has plenty of material to ridicule.
  
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  March 20, 2021 2:21pm
  - SB2
    
    But not within shouting distance of Trump,
    
    Is Donald Trump a poised, well-spoken, thoughtful leader? If you look back at his actions over the past four years, you’d probably say, “LOL – nope!”
    
    https://www.funnyordie.com/2020/10/21/21525236/the-trump-administrations-most-embarrassing-moments
    
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    March 20, 2021 3:19pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      stupid boy
      
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      March 20, 2021 6:22pm
  - curry4me
    
    Inandout: That’s why I’m doing the Asterisk Presidency thing every Thursday.
    
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    March 20, 2021 5:00pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  He should take that on the road….that is some impression.
  
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  March 20, 2021 2:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some fun. Trump fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWZZb5FGm9o
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March 20, 2021 3:13pm
- SB2
  
  Steve Otto(North Shore),
  
  GUESS HOW MANY JOBS OUTSOURCED?”
  
  Donald Trump promised to stop American corporations from sending jobs abroad on “day one” of his Presidency.
  
  In June – 18 months into Trump’s administration – Good Jobs Nation published a report showing that America had lost over 142,000 jobs to corporate offshoring since his election according to fillings with the U.S. Department of Labor.
  
  Today, we updated the figures using the government’s handy calculator and found that the number of jobs lost has jumped up another 12,000 – to 154,401.
  
  http://goodjobsnation.org/guess-how-many-jobs-outsourced/
  
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  March 20, 2021 3:32pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Was that about the time 500 000 jobs were being created in the US per MONTH?
    Black, Latino and female unemployment was at record lows?
    
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    March 20, 2021 5:41pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Stupid boy is immune to the truth
      
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      March 20, 2021 6:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More fun. Trump and Kim. (hint just for you mods)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dpiqJ9gas4
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March 20, 2021 3:18pm
surfing

No covid announcement today? Wonder why?
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March 20, 2021 3:56pm
Maggie Pie

Right from my earliest days at Boarding School, we were taught it was wrong to HATE other people…..
(Leviticus 19:17)

Can I say ‘Don Lemon’ is the only exception I’d make.
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March 20, 2021 4:33pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, as an aside does being gay help to get a job at CNN? But on the subject of losing money:
  
  ‘CNN is losing around a million viewers on average each night since President Donald Trump left office – and is down nearly 50% in the key 24-54 age group, a report said on Thursday.
  
  The cable news channel had averaged 2.5 million prime-time viewers each night from November 4 through Inauguration Day on January 20, according to a Fox News analysis of Nielsen data.
  
  But data shows the network averaged only 1.6 million total prime-time viewers from January 21, the day after the inauguration of President Joe Biden, through March 15, according to the report’.
  
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  March 20, 2021 5:26pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And how he ever kept is job is beyond me!
    
    Fancy putting your hand down a waiters shorts, then wiping your fingers under the poor unsuspecting guys nose 🙁
    
    Settled out of court apparently.
    
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    March 20, 2021 6:00pm
    - Bung Fizzer
      
      “Right from my earliest days at Boarding School, we were taught it was wrong to HATE other people…..
      (Leviticus 19:17)”
      
      At Boarding School? Is that anywhere near Dilworth School?
      
      Pray tell my little cherub, did you get six of the best or was that just a rumour amongst the Parnell tennis courts?
      
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      March 20, 2021 7:02pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Wondered where you’d got to Butt Plug!
        
        Fancy coming out of your Mastabatorium just to ask a stupid fucking question like that 😛
        
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        March 20, 2021 7:51pm
RW Capitalist

Heard the covid19 vaccine add on the radio today
“We have secured enough vaccines for the whole population.”
They are in the country?……..NO
So you’ve ordered them, have you paid? Do you have a delivery date?…..Didn’t think so. Ask Australia what “securing the vaccine” means.
I import too, these are all questions you MUST ask.
But the most interesting part of the broadcast.
“We will tell you when it your turn to get the vaccine continue to use the tracing app…..until….then”
So ….after you are vaccinated, you no longer have to use the tracing app?…or is English a second language to the person who wrote this?
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March 20, 2021 5:36pm
Inandout

What a mongrel thing to do to another human.
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/605549105db3705aa0ac6394
At least he will be put away for a very long time.
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March 20, 2021 5:37pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My favorit response…..
  
  “Another privleged white man doing Black Face”
  
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  March 20, 2021 7:01pm
  - Bung Fizzer
    
    My favorit response…..
    
    “Another privleged white man doing Black Face”
    
    Oh my goodness Maggie. Heaven for Betsy. Do you watch BBC? Do you admire the BBC.
    
    Oh my goodness. Apparently, Tamati Coffee’s husband prefers BBC yet Marama Davidson prefers Carnt.
    
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    March 20, 2021 7:16pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/300257852/transtasman-travel-queensland-opens-up-to-kiwis-again
Well Jacinda: look at all this Kiwi money about to be spent outside NZ.
You stupid, stupid woman.
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March 20, 2021 6:00pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Yeah, she’s a good buddy for SB2. Both from Mt. Roskill too.
  
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  March 20, 2021 7:58pm
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    Me Mt Roskill ? Next door Mt Eden.
    
    You?
    
    Pine Block subdivision?
    
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