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Scott

Was the 2020 presidential election stolen? Patrick Byrne in his book “The Deep Rig” lays out how it was done. For example in Michigan Trump wins on election night. At 2 AM polling locations in Detroit were shut. Ballot counters were told to go home. The voting stations windows were covered. Dominion executive shows up in Detroit polling station after midnight. Dominion is the manufacturer of the voting software. Trump’s election night lead disappears. Biden injection of votes appears. On November 7 at 6:31 AM Biden receives a vote injection of 54,199 votes. After that he goes on to win the state.

This happened in six states which swung the electoral college Biden’s way. After counting was “stopped” there were hundreds of thousands of ballot swings, often running 99.4% and even 100% Biden. There were occasions where a group of precincts in a state would in lockstep begin counting all presidential votes 17/18 for Biden, 1/18 for Trump. Then after 90 minutes their counting would all go back to normal, but another set of precincts in the state would suddenly flip to counting 17/18 for Biden, 1/18 for Trump. Precisely for 90 minutes. Then they would all flip back to normal. (Byrne page 32 and 33)

it is a real shame that these events have not been thoroughly investigated in court. Basically we have a very old man in office who in many people’s opinion has no right to be there.
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April 14, 2021 8:01am
- kowtow
  
  He’s also letting in tens of thousands at the border who have no right to be there , and they will become Dem voters .
  
  So many ways to rig the game.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:06am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Patrick Byrne in his book “The Deep Rig” lays out how it was done
  
  Boyfriend of Russian spy says what?
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:29am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Oh great response there Mikey, you sure obliterated them !
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:55am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Take this as rejoinder:
    https://lindelltv.com/
    
    The election appears to have been a coup with foreign assistance. Enjoy the data showing both sides of a cyberstrike. I haven’t seen MAC addresses so nicely used before.
    
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    April 14, 2021 12:53pm
- Littletramp
  
  The giveaway of the US election rort was the Supreme Court ducking for cover.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:57am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s almost as if even a heavily republican leaning court couldn’t find plausible grounds to intervene.
    
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    April 14, 2021 10:00am
    - Littletramp
      
      They (Supreme Court) just proved they aren’t heavily Republican – they are heavily “elitist”. The power-base of the current politicians of both sides are all in the same tribe. Don’t you get it yet?
      The US political system is rigged.
      
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      April 14, 2021 11:54am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Of course he doesn’t get it.
        
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        April 14, 2021 12:47pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Would you intervene in a coup?
      
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      April 14, 2021 12:54pm
  - Inandout
    
    Little, knowing they were warned their children’s schools and address locations were known was enough to steer them in one direction. Bloody disgusting I know but it seems no one is above mob law.
    
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    April 14, 2021 12:07pm
- Justitia
  
  We know there was a conspiracy because the conspirators have been boasting about it: https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/. There is strong circumstantial evidence the election results in about six crucial “swing” states were manipulated to produce a Biden “victory”. The refusal of the Supreme Court on technical grounds to hear Texas’ case against the vote in Pennsylvania is a serious blot on its reputation. The Court denied Texas “had standing” yet it is of course very much affected by any fraudulent outcome, as is every other state. Biden has no “standing” in the view of many Americans.
  
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  April 14, 2021 10:00am
  - Steve Todd
    
    The Court denied Texas “had standing” yet it is of course very much affected by any fraudulent outcome, as is every other state.
    
    You are quite wrong, Justitia. Texas had no standing whatsoever. See my response to Fletch, here, regarding that issue: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/12/general_debate_17_december_2020.html#comment-2860380.
    
    In addition, Texas was still able to cast its 38 Electoral College votes for President Trump on January 6-7, i.e., no damage there, either.
    
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    April 14, 2021 11:16am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Steve, my lawyer friend in Illinois says the opposite – I think I would take his word WAAAYY ahead of yours.
      One of the Supreme court’s chief functions is to settle disputes between states. Texas had a valid case, but the Supreme Court ducked for cover, not wanting to be seen to be partisan – or bowing to threats most likely.
      
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      April 14, 2021 11:25am
      - Steve Todd
        
        We shall agree to disagree, Don.
        
        The Supreme Court ducking for cover is merely your opinion. I regard it as nonsense.
        
        I will take the decision of the Court (and the opinion of Professor Rick Hasen) as to standing in this matter, over that of your friend, every time.
        
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        April 14, 2021 12:06pm
- virtualmark
  
  Yeah, and Maria says hi too.
  
  Patrick Byrne is a Russian stooge, promoting conspiracy theories that the Kremlin wants to use to break down US politics.
  
  So I guess that makes you a fellow traveller.
  
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  April 14, 2021 10:06am
- artemisia
  
  Mid terms 2022. We can be very sure that counting will be watched closely every single minute. If 2020 was rigged, 2022 rigging will have fewer opportunities. Then we’ll see.
  
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  April 14, 2021 10:06am
- RichardX
  
  Scott,
  Do you believe everything in every book you read or just this one and the bible?
  
  How do you test whether what you are reading is fact?
  
  How do you test for alternative explanations to those proposed by the author?
  
  Is your belief in what you are reading based on your preconceptions?
  
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  April 14, 2021 11:27am
  - Scott
    
    Dear Richard, yes I believe the bible is true and the authorative word of God for everyone, including you and I. I think this book about the 2020 election makes a lot of sense. I’ve seen photos and videos of election workers in Detroit covering up the windows so they can’t be observed.
    Why did they do that? What were they doing late at night?
    Oh for a journalist to actually investigate! Oh for a court to cross examine these workers!
    
    So yes I’m convinced there was skulduggery on a massive scale.
    And I admit my preconception here. Biden barely campaigned. There was no way he got more votes than any president in history. Just no way.
    
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    April 14, 2021 3:49pm
    - RichardX
      
      Scott
      Dear Richard, yes I believe the bible is true and the authorative word of God for everyone, including you and I. I think this book about the 2020 election makes a lot of sense. I’ve seen photos and videos of election workers in Detroit covering up the windows so they can’t be observed.
      Why did they do that? What were they doing late at night?
      Oh for a journalist to actually investigate! Oh for a court to cross examine these workers!
      
      So yes I’m convinced there was skulduggery on a massive scale.
      And I admit my preconception here. Biden barely campaigned. There was no way he got more votes than any president in history. Just no way.
      
      APRIL 14, 2021 3:49PM
      
      Because it makes sense to you does not make it true.
      
      You have seen photos and videos and been told that they mean fraud was occuring. You appear to believe this unquestioningly, in part due to your own admission of a preconception that Biden didn’t campaign enough.
      
      “Why did they do that? What were they doing late at night?”
      
      This is, by definition, a logical fallacy. You believe what you have been told because it fits your preconceptions and no other explanation could possibly be true.
      
      Have you tested the claims against anything other than your preconceptions?
      
      I have seen insufficient evidence to convince me that what you believe is true for either book.
      
      At least you admit that Patrick Byrne is not a journalist.
      
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      April 14, 2021 5:32pm
      - Scott
        
        Richard, it is not a logical fallacy. It is very suspicious behaviour caught on video for which no reasonable explanation has been offered.
        That’s just one example of many. It’s what’s known as evidence. Why do people board up windows in election night? So others can’t see what they’re doing. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the true one.
        
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        April 15, 2021 8:06am
      - Batman
        
        They put up pizza boxes because a crowd of MAGA losers are standing outside shouting and chanting at the poll workers, and trying to take photos and video of ballots with personal information and voting choices on them.
        
        You’re like an arsonist who lights a house on fire then complains that only firefighters are allowed to attend the scene.
        
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        April 15, 2021 8:45am
      - Scott
        
        Batman – they are putting up cardboard so that people cannot see what they are doing. They are still counting ballots. But they don’t want anyone to see. Do you seriously say that is not suspicious behaviour? Seriously?
        
        Is it not possible in your mind that fraudulent practices are taking place? There is no way that the Democrats would do that?
        
        This needs a thorough investigation and really the FBI should have been on this. But they weren’t. Sad.
        
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        April 15, 2021 1:46pm
      - RichardX
        
        Scott, I don’t believe you would know a logical fallacy if it came up and introduced itself but you can start with the argument from personal incredulity.
        
        “I cannot imagine how X could be false; therefore X must be true”
        
        You use it often so you’re probably just not aware that it is fallacious.
        
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        April 15, 2021 2:43pm
- MCos
  
  “For example in Michigan Trump wins on election night.”
  
  He didn’t ‘win’ on election night. He was ahead on election night.
  Same thing happens here every election without all the conspiracy theories.
  Huge numbers of votes are votes are counted & recounted without any fuss and people who are in on election night are subsequently out when it’s all over.
  Our voting requires no ID. It’s been the same non controversial system, pretty much, since I’ve been voting back when Holyoake was PM.
  Now in America some loser claims there’s wholesale fraud in their system and a bunch of people make megabucks from the gullible by writing all sorts of authentic sounding crap to ‘prove’ him right.
  Same people probably made big bucks proving the FBI blew up the WTC.
  
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  April 14, 2021 11:49am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    some loser claims there’s wholesale fraud in their system
    
    Also known as loser-in-chief or bigly loser.
    
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    April 14, 2021 2:33pm
krazykiwi

Any Rolling stones fans out there? How about Foo Fighter fans? Well, you might like this. It’s a collaboration between Sir Mick Jagger and Dave Grohl, and it takes a poke as heavy-handed Covid restrictions: Eazy Sleazy

We took it on the chin
The numbers were so grim
Bossed around by pricks
Stiffen upper lips
Yeah

Pacing in the yard
You’re trying to take the Mick
You must think I’m really thick
Looking at the graphs
With a magnifying glass
Cancel all the tours
Football’s fake applause
Yeah

No more travel brochures
Virtual premiers
I’ve got nothing left to wear

Looking out from these prison walls
You got to rob Peter if you’re paying Paul
But it’s easy, easy
Everything’s going to get really freaky
Alright, on the night

Soon it’ll be a memory you’re trying to remember to forget…

That’s a pretty mask
But never take a chance
Tik Tok stupid dance
Took a Samba class
Yeah
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April 14, 2021 8:01am
TWEEDSE

Mike Hosking opinioned yesterday that National need to cool it over leadership questions as, he thinks, Labour will implode later this year.

Trouble is, even if Labour do implode, I suspect the largely disinterested low IQ voters would still vote them in.

I hope I am wrong.
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April 14, 2021 8:01am
- Albert_Ross
  
  I wonder if National MPs read Kiwiblog? How else can the message be got to the fucking morons to just stop it?
  
  Changing leadership will bring immense harm and no benefit at all to National, and it will bring immense benefit and do no harm at all to Labour.
  
  It is not Judith’s fault that the mainstream media won’t allow her to put National’s case to the public. They won’t allow anybody to put National’s case to the public. Talk of changing leadership has only one consequence, and that is to provide assistance to the media in diverting attention from the Government’s appalling ineptitude – just when they were beginning at last to realise that they couldn’t brush it under the carpet for much longer.
  
  Why? In the name of God or whatever is holy to you, why are you doing it? Are you really, truly, that fucking STUPID?
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:20am
  - Flossie
    
    If they change again in a hurry they’ve lost me. Especially to Luxon.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:41am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Albert – it’s a media beat-up to try to discredit National again, inspired by Cindy & her mob trying to deflect bad news.
      
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      April 14, 2021 11:29am
  - amospicton
    
    I don’t know the answer to this question – is National really debating their leadership or is it the $110m MSM interviewing their keyboards to provide a distraction from the never-ending stream of disaster emanating from the Beehive? I’m genuinely unsure which?
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:50am
    - alloytoo
      
      I agree, the “Leaks” always seem to come on demand as the government has a ‘mare about something.
      
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      April 14, 2021 10:24am
    - Bob
      
      The $110 million keyboard!
      
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      April 14, 2021 11:31am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Unless the Bridges boy is kicked out, these rumours won’t stop. He is the leaker to Tova and he is undermining Collins every minute. Not that Collins will save National, but leadership rumours will bring down the vote share to 15% only hard core National supporters like me and KevO’Brien will remain.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:55am
    - plc
      
      Why is Bridges leaking to O’Brien? I’m seriously interested.
      
      She went after him hard when her ex-boyfriend JLR imploded. I thought there was a visceral hatred there.
      
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      April 14, 2021 10:06am
      - alloytoo
        
        Bridges is also not that stupid.
        
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        April 14, 2021 10:25am
      - BAM
        
        Shared interests.
        Bridges wants to be leader again
        O’Brien wants a scalp, especially after Collins told her she’s full of shit.
        
        If National is going to have any chance of survival Collins has to take out Bridges.
        
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        April 14, 2021 10:36am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Its bullshit. Sir Cullen’s is have a huge sarky day.
        
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        April 14, 2021 11:32am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        In politics there are no permanent friends and no permanent enemies. Bridgie boy wants utu. Tova is his path to National leadership. Hence the leaks.
        
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        April 14, 2021 11:47am
    - Nickc2
      
      How do you know he is the leak to Tova? Methinks you are attempting to start a rumor?
      
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      April 14, 2021 11:12am
      - nathie
        
        You’re right. SCS doesn’t know – he’s just parroting Cameron Slater yesterday/today (who also doesn’t know, but is presuming it is by using a poor example by quoting Duncan Garner, mainly I suspect in order to protect any potential challenges to Collins’ leadership).
        
        The sad thing is Slater is adding to the MSM shark frenzy now that he is boasting MSM are contacting him for info (and he will be feeding them unreliable partisan messages).
        
        Ffs Slater is also defending JLR (the narcissist who leaked regularly to the msm and started the rumors that National are divided which the msm seized upon and won’t let go as a result) and is threatening Bridges via possible leaked tapes blah blah bulls**t etc).
        
        All I can say sadly is, National will remain divided, msm wise, whilst Slater (and Hooten) continue to play their ego games. I hope I’m wrong but I will predict now that Slater will inadvertently cause Collin’s downfall, due to his bombastic rhetoric and blundering methodology (which is to continually diss everyone in National that he has fallen out of favor with … which appears to be 90-odd-percent of them) …
        
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        April 14, 2021 1:08pm
      - Paulus
        
        After JLR anybody getting close to Tova must be barmy.
        
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        April 14, 2021 1:27pm
      - Nickc2
        
        nathie @ 1:08 PM
        I’m with you, a Hooton/Slater concocted rumor IMO. Who would have guessed?
        Am I still allowed to have an opinion, or have opinions been canceled?
        
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        April 14, 2021 1:28pm
      - nathie
        
        Nickc2 – I’m not saying Hooten or Slater concocting the rumors … but I am saying that Slater isn’t helping (National or Judith Collins) with his attacks, innuendo or direct calling out of National MP’s (Bridges, Mitchell, Goldsmith etc).
        
        If anything it’s giving the MSM more oxygen that there is an “issue” (so they keep bringing it up), and it is bringing divisions out when National need to be unified (behind their leader, Judith Collins).
        
        I think Collins is doing a fairly reasonable job (in the media), but the more people that pile onto National’s MP’s (Slater or Hooten etc) then the more Collins’ messages are ignored as the msm focus on the dissent.
        
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        April 14, 2021 5:54pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Bullshit SCS.
      
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      April 14, 2021 1:25pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      If you are a Nat supporter it would be wise to keep your surmises to yourself.
      If there is an actual leak to Tova, who’s probably one of my cousins of sorts, that best dealt with internally.
      I don’t believe for one minute in any leak.
      
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      April 14, 2021 3:25pm
  - BAM
    
    Luxon is a deluded egotistical fool.
    Bridges is a complete fuck wit.
    
    The only winner out of this is ACT.
    
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    April 14, 2021 10:00am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Thanks for telling the truth. Luxon will be another Mullet Muller. Explode under strress.
      
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      April 14, 2021 11:48am
      - MCos
        
        The last thing you can accuse either Luxon or Muller of is having a mullet.
        
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        April 14, 2021 1:26pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        The self exploding are very aware of it in others.
        What has Luxon do with anything except lying rumour making?
        
        Labour don’t do dirty politics well but they sure spoil their nests. Pity they cannot govern.
        
        Have you visited a supermarket recently?
        Rent getting high?
        Need a house?
        Have an electricity bill to pay?
        But wait there’s more…
        
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        April 14, 2021 3:36pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It seems that a certain ground insect is also implicated but who gives a hoot? Lies will out.
      
      Labour will regret continuing because they are about to be bitten on the posterior by an economic tsunami which they don’t even know exists.
      
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      April 14, 2021 3:29pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Boo hoo, nasty mainstream media.
    
    Here are yesterdays politics headlines from RNZ:
    – MPs pay tribute to Prince Philip in Parliament
    – Climate Change Minister James Shaw announces clean energy projects
    – Ministers confident no taxpayer money used in Māori Party donations
    – Counterterrorism laws expansion bill follows up mosque attacks report
    – New Parliament building to house MPs, staff planned for 2022 build
    – ‘Very surprised’ at delay in mandatory testing register – medical expert
    
    Only one politics headline today, so far:
    – Collins proposes law requiring councils rezone land for housing immediately
    
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    April 14, 2021 10:08am
    - pdm
      
      Mikey you missed the Greens wanting all sorts of `oddball’ genders to be co-party leaders.
      
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      April 14, 2021 10:37am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        ???
        No not that? Having a gender-fluid with its own pronouns in the tribe is bad enough.
        The pronouns may be their choice but getting others to use them is not always possible. Thye may get in the way of established language.
        
        Image the fun if there were 6 different varieties insisted on in a group–bedlam, none would be happy as to how the others were being addressed. It would be like a monkey house in a zoo when there’s only one banana between 12 chimps.
        
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        April 14, 2021 3:43pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Labour supporters vote with their ovaries rather than with their brains.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:59am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Mike is probably right. It’s not National raising leadership issues it the darn Labour $105M PR team who are causing the mischief.
  Any lie will do when needed.
  
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  April 14, 2021 12:57pm
  - Nickc2
    
    What was the Govt calamity our MSM was attempting to cover over by inventing a leadership challenge in the National Party? Oh, that’s right, the mass vaccination of NZ’s population with a vaccine we didn’t have in-country and the fact that a Covid-19 infected Border Guard hadn’t been tested since Nov 2020 despite statements to the contrary.
    
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    April 14, 2021 1:09pm
    - nathie
      
      Yes! And the other big bad news for the govt (that is now drowned out) was the very recent announcements that landlords will be taxed more (with no warning) … we saw some really sad stories in the msm of landlords signalling they will be having to sell up therefore turfing more desperate renters onto the streets, especially those with medical issues.
      
      In other words Labour’s policies on the hoof are causing more misery and more people are being displaced from rental housing (and rental costs will have to increase, when they are bad enough already).
      
      The resulting criticism was fierce, even the msm were piling on … but now the msm have other things to focus on (attacking National), how convenient …
      
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      April 14, 2021 5:59pm
    - Stellaboxer
      
      The best way to stop the leadership rumours might be to stop talking about them
      
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      April 15, 2021 5:52am
artemisia

Richard Prebble in the Herald today (paywalled).

“It is Stein’s law: “If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.” When? In the words of Rudiger Dornbusch. “In economics, things take longer to happen than you think they will, and then they happen faster than you thought they could”. MPs should be repeating economist Ludwig von Mises warning. “There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion”. “The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment”

If that timeline is true, still all good here on the surface but will go south fast.

Who in the House is ready, willing and able? Not a rhetorical question.

Meantime, households should be thinking ahead and gearing up to protect themselves.
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April 14, 2021 8:07am
- Justitia
  
  Sherelle Jacobs writes in today’s Telegraph: “This is a catastrophe for China. The country is stuck in an unsustainable zero Covid trap, only able to maintain an upper hand over the virus by closing its borders to almost all foreigners and limiting domestic travel. Beijing could be left behind within months, as rival countries reach herd immunity and reopen for global business. On this point, even the Chinese commentariat has been remarkably candid. State epidemiologists have taken to the airwaves, warning that China’s vaccine rates are insufficient to reach herd immunity by the end of year, let alone the end of the summer. ”
  
  New Zealand is in a far worse situation than China when it comes to reopening to the world. With our vaccination rates we might just reach herd immunity by the end of this decade. And we are encumbered by a ruinous mountain of debt which gets bigger every day, money that has been basically pissed up against the wall with nothing to show for it. The reckoning will be awful and may come sooner than we think.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:48am
  - Cinematic
    
    Made worse by a government intent on shutting down cash generating activities that don’t align with their view of the world. Today it’s live exports. Worst possible timing by a moronic government.
    
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    April 14, 2021 10:09am
  - virtualmark
    
    Calm down,
    
    Even with the MoH bungles to date I still see no reason why all NZ adults won’t be vaccinated well before the end of the year. And the main reason it’s that slow will be because of delays in starting to receive large supplies of vaccines – those delays are outside of our (NZ’s) control.
    
    And if you’re panicked about NZ’s level of debt then China’s debt levels must absolutely melt your brain.
    
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    April 14, 2021 10:09am
    - Frank the tank
      
      “……..I still see no reason why all NZ adults won’t be vaccinated well before the end of the year”
      
      Do you believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus as well?
      
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      April 14, 2021 11:24am
      - Bob
        
        Santa Claus is a better bet for an end of the year appearance.
        
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        April 14, 2021 1:14pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Frank, I’m a pragmatist who breathes through their nose.
        
        The MoH is a bit of a shambles. Despite the aura of Saint Ashley. We are seeing the *initial* part of the vaccine rollout bears some of their shambles.
        
        However, this vaccine rollout is critical both nationally and politically. Ardern, Chippie, Woods & so on all know how fast their polling will drop if the vaccine rollout is fumbled. If nothing else their political self-interest will prevail.
        
        So pressure is being brought to bear on the MoH to sort their s#*t out. Adults are being brought into the room. I believe the next 6 month of vaccine delivery will be better than the last 6 weeks.
        
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        April 14, 2021 1:34pm
Momorangi

Coinbase IPO (direct listing) incoming tomorrow. This is crypto’s biggest centralized exchange with an estimated post launch market cap from anywhere between $50BN to $100BN and beyond.

Should be massive for bitcoin as the Coinbase founders and employees will likely move a good portion of that $50 to $100BN straight into crypto.

Have you got your ticket? Because the show is starting. Not investment advice, just looking forward to some great entertainment.
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April 14, 2021 8:07am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Forget the shares, buy crypto. I got an Ethereum coin, and have made 600 Euros on it in 2 weeks, and have bought 1000 Cardano, which is about to take off like a rocket!
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:22am
  - amospicton
    
    Here’s a question for you KIP – what exactly is it that you own? I know it’s ‘crypto’ but what exactly is it? A share is part ownership in a company, a bond is a legal obligation to pay from the issuer, gold is gold, but what is crypto?
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:52am
    - Cinematic
      
      Crypto is every crims preferred method of payment.
      
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      April 14, 2021 10:11am
    - rangitoto
      
      What happens to crypto currency when the owner dies?
      
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      April 14, 2021 10:26am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        This is why one should get one’s lawyer to attach an envelope to one’s will giving exact details of how to access the cryptocoin account, following your death.
        
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        April 14, 2021 11:05am
      - amospicton
        
        Or forgets their password.
        
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        April 14, 2021 11:21am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Not a question that can be answered in a blog post. DYOR!
      
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      April 14, 2021 10:28am
    - NoCash
      
      Some ones and zeros on some hard drives, SSDs, and tapes.
      
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      April 14, 2021 10:32am
      - alwyn
        
        Which is exactly what any money you own is.
        
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        April 14, 2021 12:31pm
    - Kiwi_in_Paris
      
      Like the New Zealand dollar is going to be worth anything in a year or so, lol.
      
      Property prices rocketing aint worth much when the dollar drops to Zimbabwe levels, due to Cindy’s globalist Marxist plan….
      
      You can use an a Atm card, buy a car, a house, with crypto, um I guess it is worth something…
      
      While you guys are waking up to the future, the smart people are making money hand over fist.
      
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      April 14, 2021 7:24pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I have some tulip bulbs for sale if you’re interested.
    
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    April 14, 2021 10:00am
    - I remember when
      
      Black?
      
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      April 14, 2021 10:58am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Just see you have a lifeboat later when needed.
    Crypto can never have value just like the tokens in a casino they’re only worth what the Bank will agree on.
    
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    April 14, 2021 1:00pm
kowtow

Scientific study in UK shows bleach effective against Wuflu .

Sounds very Trumpian . Where’s the Media Pardy hyper mocking.

“Swimming pool water can inactivate the Covid-19 virus in only 30 seconds under the right conditions, reveals a study by virologists at Imperial College London”

https://www.swimming.org/swimengland/swimming-pool-water-inactivates-covid19-virus/
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April 14, 2021 8:08am
- Lance
  
  Why are you telling us this?
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:13am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    In case you want to drink a swimming pool to kill the covid?
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:30am
    - alloytoo
      
      Don’t you mean to ask:
      
      Why do swimming pools get closed during lockdowns?
      
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      April 14, 2021 10:28am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    If you are asking, you need to read the post again.
    
    Saying to you as a friend . . .
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:32am
  - kowtow
    
    Why u askin’ ?
    
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    April 14, 2021 12:50pm
- SB2
  
  Let the ex-President have the final say!
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:41am
- Jules99
  
  Interesting – I really missed swimming in my local pool during the lockdown. I wonder whether saunas can kill the CV too – heat normally kills viruses. Would be good to see some studies done. The Fins have studies showing regular sauna use reduces heart attacks.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:59am
Maggy Wassilieff

National suggests incentivising Councils to undertake new house builds…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300276348/housing-bonus-national-say-councils-should-be-given-50000-for-every-new-house-built

The average value of New Zealand’s housing stock increased 8 per cent in the year to October 2019. It’s increased by another 11 per cent since then.
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April 14, 2021 8:15am
- artemisia
  
  National have been saying Christchurch Redux, now have formalised it. Will Labour support it? Hard to see if they have shown no such inclination so far, despite promises about the RUB.
  
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  April 14, 2021 8:18am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    They can’t support anything they don’t think of.
    
    At best they will sneer at it and shoot it down and wait a long while before releasing a near identical idea.
    
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    April 14, 2021 10:42am
    - Maxx
      
      Repackage, new name, announce the announcement, announce, fail. It’s the Labour way.
      
      Actually, this is something they could be successful at as it doesn’t require Ministers to actually do anything other than talk. Admittedly it is the councils that would fail then…
      
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      April 14, 2021 11:31am
- Lance
  
  Judith never really had a chance to get a word in edgeways about this important issue with that clown Duncan Graner who only wanted to whitter on about the OBVIOUS coup attempt within National.
  I am not sure it was deliberate trolling on behalf of Saint Jacinda of the plague or rank stupidity?
  TVone and Three are on a race to the bottom with their breakfast slots.
  
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  April 14, 2021 8:24am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    TBH I don’t know how you can stand watching breakfast TV.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:04am
    - amospicton
      
      I watch from time to time Benedict (albeit briefly and with rising blood pressure) to see if I can detect a change in tone. If Campbell and his acolytes start doubting St Jacinda of the Plague then it’s safe to say the worm has turned. Still waiting……
      
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      April 14, 2021 9:55am
- Ruawai
  
  It would be interesting to see a graph of how many new houses are built each year to get some facts around housing availability (supply) and how many houses we have in NZ. Then a graph of birth/death rates and immigration/emigration rates (demand) and see how far apart these 2 graphs are.
  
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  April 14, 2021 8:40am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I did some work on it two years ago. At that time the two lines in the chart were diverging rapidly. It is published somewhere on the mbie website. Sorry I don’t have time right now to find it.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:06am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    From DPF’s post ‘the secret vaccination plan’ yesterday. Substituting housing for vaccination references, I think the answer will appear courtesy of this clown car government.
    
    ‘our housing rollout is based on housing expectations of how many people they’ll house, layered on top of a chart that appears to be little more than nice-looking lines drawn on a sheet of paper’
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:41am
    - alloytoo
      
      Don’t forget Kiwibuild predates Covid.
      
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      April 14, 2021 10:29am
    - Ehlana
      
      Paulus, does it all make more sense if you know that the second graph was for the tree planting… remember the billion trees?
      
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      April 14, 2021 2:12pm
- cmm
  
  This is just crazy.
  
  What do they need that money for? Where is that money going to come from? What will they do with it?
  
  Basically National are saying let’s increase the cost of each house by 50k (it’s a tax, so is hidden, but it is still real cost) and we will then use that money to subsidise the least efficient operations we can.
  
  This is a terrible type of “corporate welfare” just extended into the government space.
  
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  April 14, 2021 8:44am
  - Tall Man
    
    Couldn’t agree more.
    
    Why aren’t they suggesting reigning in the expenditure of local and regional councils which would allow for a reduction in costs associated with subdivision development and house building costs.
    
    In our area “development charges” payable to the council exceed $40K per section.
    
    Still, maybe we do need more cycleways and rainbow crossings ……….
    
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    April 14, 2021 8:47am
  - Colville
    
    Councils need that money to put pipes in the ground to keep ahead of developers.
    Currently there is a dis-incentive for a Council to rezone land as they need to go into debt to service it then wait for a developer to come along and subdivide it before they eventually pay DCs to Council.
    Councils are more likely to have the 3 waters taken off them by Govt and then we will really see some delays and incompetence as yet another level of little Hitlers are given sinecures .
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:00am
    - Bob
      
      will really see some delays and incompetence …..
      Not if private enterprise is given the management of said waters. More bureaucracy is not the answer, practical non ideological management skills is the answer.
      
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      April 14, 2021 9:37am
    - cmm
      
      Sure it costs to add infrastructure, but they already charge for making new connections AND ongoing maintenance.
      
      Unless this money is tightly ring-fenced it is going to find its way into vanity projects like $300M cycleways and fisting festivals.
      
      The main reason they are reluctant is not lack of funding but because they have lost focus on their core mission. Look at all the areas councils get into these days .
      
      Pipes in the ground are boring. Required, but boring. No mayor is going to make a name for themselves (or up their luvvie stakes) focusing on pipes.
      
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      April 14, 2021 9:48am
      - sooty
        
        I thought the developer but in all the services to sections, roadways etc and then gift them to the council free of charge!
        
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        April 14, 2021 11:00am
    - Paulus
      
      Don’t forget Maori own all the Water anyway now they have legally privileged unelected places on Councils.
      
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      April 14, 2021 1:36pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Have you considered how much the infrastructure for housing costs councils?
    That’s why they have been reluctant to move and there is not a ready funding source for them. Housing developments are generally not singular so a new one may require hundreds of millions of dollars or more to install the facilities required to make a new small community.
    
    All hui-no doi is all that is left when no moni.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:02am
    - Bob
      
      not a ready funding source for them….. If councils weren’t so obsessed with grandiose monuments to their term of ofice.ie a mindless rail tunnel under albert street… they would have all the money in the world to provide the main basic infrustrusture for housing in new suburbs.
      
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      April 14, 2021 9:40am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Those are Labour stupidity inspired projects.
        
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        April 14, 2021 1:02pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Councils pay for infrastructure with income from rates just as every other business pays for investment with future income.
      
      So why can’t councils now fund their infrastructure the same way they always have?
      
      Only two possible reasons:
      1. They are wasting their income on other expenditure.
      2. They and the Government have made it too costly to build infrastructure.
      
      I suspect both are true.
      
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      April 14, 2021 10:33am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Infrastructure is an intergenerational cost. Most taxpayers would disagree to paying 50 years ahead.
        The former NPF used to be very useful in NZ in funding such works. Why can’t our present super savings be similarly used?
        
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        April 14, 2021 1:04pm
- Colville
  
  Maggy.
  If National think that housing went up ONLY 11% since Oct 2019 then I have a bridge to sell them.
  Its twice that and its not stopping any time soon.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:03am
- Isobar
  
  This does nothing to actually prevent the main handbrakes – capacity of the industry to deliver. Its not as if there are thousands of builders and other trades peeps sitting around with nothing to do.
  
  The other is raw materials – we already see timber is running short due to a boom in demand.
  
  This addresses none of this.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:04am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    It addresses one constraint, and that is better than not addressing any of them.
    
    Other policies will indeed be needed to address other constraints, and no doubt Judith would be able to tell us what National is thinking about those if the fucking morons in her party weren’t so assiduous in giving the media an excuse to not ask her about policy.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:30am
    - sooty
      
      Maybe they should stop exporting logs?
      
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      April 14, 2021 11:01am
- Southtop2
  
  There is absolutely NO need for this Maggy – Stuart Nash said this morning that Labour have fixed the housing crisis! I kid you not!
  
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  April 14, 2021 11:26am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Yes I nearly drove off the road laughing when I heard that!
    
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    April 14, 2021 1:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Will Jacinda Ardern’s legacy be a generation of motel children?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018791400/motel-generation-feared-as-emergency-housing-need-continues
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April 14, 2021 8:17am
- Mike
  
  The government needs to build new state houses on a scale not seen since the 1940s and 1950s.
  
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  April 14, 2021 8:26am
  - Colville
    
    Where is the ZONED , SERVICED, ROADED land to build on?
    
    That problem is laid squarely at Sir John Keys feet.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:04am
    - Bob
      
      Killed of by the ADERN GOVERNMENT, as were many other planned and forward funded projects. Buying future elections was much more, and still is, much more important to this government of otherwise unemployable troughers at both National and Local body level.
      
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      April 14, 2021 9:43am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Oh bollocks.
      
      Housing was a problem under Clark. Her government had an opportunity to start an at scale state building programme but didn’t. And GDP growth via population growth driven by migration started under Clark/Cullen.
      
      Both members of the duopoly political system we have are too blame.
      
      And the are both responsible for a crap RMA making development difficult and unfocused Local Authorities.
      
      Its why a bipartisan approach on a twenty year plan to fix housing affordability is needed… Reset the frameworks governing house building, get local authorities out of the way and get the private sector working to build the housing stock needed
      
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      April 14, 2021 12:28pm
      - Colville
        
        In 2008 when GFC came along and shook up the housing market IIRC there were 110,000 empty sections in NZ. That is why house prices fell from ’09 to ’12 as a lot of those sections were owned by people with high debt (like me) and needed to get rid of them pronto.
        Builders that owned sections had to build specs and sell them into a falling market so prices went down.
        Anywho….
        All those sections got chewed up and never got replaced… the rate of consenting and building sites over the last 10 years has been dismal…its starting to pick back up now, not driven by Ardern at all just driven by pricing. Sections are worth gold. Nearly 100% more than 5 years ago.
        
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        April 14, 2021 12:51pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Pity they haven’t the Stan Gooseman required.
    Bicycles don’t become housing contractors.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:04am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    They are building them at scale. But as they are all open plan and double glazed with heat pumps they are costing billions.
    
    The other problem is that tenants trash the houses as fast as they can build them.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:10am
    - Ian Boag
      
      FWIW have a look at qbh.co.nz. Built of foam sandwich (foam in steel). Hard (very) to kick a hole in the wall. Double glazed, heat pump etc. Kitset homes with multi-proof MBIE consents – no need for an LBP to put them up. Delivered in a shipping container and clicked together on site. Some hundreds in existence. 30% under other kitset houses ….
      
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      April 14, 2021 9:41am
      - Ed Snack
        
        I wonder what the mobile reception is like inside a place like that. Worked at a place that had metal foam sandwich walls and we had to install mobile repeaters inside to get phone reception as the mobile signals wouldn’t penetrate at all. Outside you would have “5 bar” signal, and inside 0-1 bars; and that was just a few feet apart.
        
        Same issue with internal wifi, those walls do a pretty good job as a faraday cage for waves in that frequency range.
        
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        April 14, 2021 10:02am
      - Ian Boag
        
        @Ed
        
        I asked the guy who owns the business. He has never had any feedback about a problem. His son has one of the houses and lives on his phone. No wired connections in the house and no issues with wifi.
        
        He suggested (guessed) that if they had internal metal doors there might be a problem (maybe). The houses do have plenty of windows ….
        
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        April 14, 2021 10:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    I don’t agree.
    
    The bulk of those in “motel accomodation” are those that private landlords do not want to offer a home too. State housing for ferals is a bottomless pit.
    
    “Housing New Zealand said it spent $21m in the year to June 30 checking its properties for meth and cleaning and repairing contaminated properties.”
    
    We need an attitude reset within NZ whereby people are held accountable for their actions and welfare targeted at those most at need and withdrawn from those gaming the system.
    
    Housing will never be solved by Governments as the “desire” of the bulk of those moaning about the lack of housing have no wish to live in State Housing in “poor areas” but want a 4 bed home with double garage, ensuite on the beach……
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:25am
    - artemisia
      
      While many social housing tenants are OK to goo, some are not. The more social housing the more unhappy neighbours, and as antisocial state tenants almost never get told to leave the unhappiness spreads.
      
      Some shocking stories over on the big property investors FB page. Owners selling up and moving as ineffective action if any from multiple complaints (one over a hundred).
      
      Even social housing tenants are not necessarily happy with their heavily taxpayer subsidised homes. 6% of them want to move to another state house. (Jan 2021.)
      
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      April 14, 2021 12:46pm
  - amospicton
    
    If the government is the answer it was a stupid question – thus said the last great US president.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:56am
- Caleb
  
  What’s not clear is why.
  There has never been so much taxpayer money and cultural change directed towards the Maori Aoteroa and yet outcomes are clearly worsening?
  
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  April 14, 2021 8:30am
  - Nickc2
    
    The more we give, the more they want/demand. This trend will only worsen with the introduction of compulsory Maori Wards.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:38am
    - Steve Todd
      
      I’m sure you well know they’re not compulsory, Nick.
      
      Also, if the result of applying the formula to calculate the number of Maori ward members is zero, because the number “is a fraction of the whole number 1 that does not exceed one half”, then no wards are to be established.
      
      See clause 2(3) and (5), here: https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2001/0035/latest/DLM95358.html.
      
      Subclause (5) will apply to many of our 78 local authorities.
      
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      April 14, 2021 11:52am
      - Nickc2
        
        Councils can’t say they won’t have Maori Wards regardless of the formulae. In other words, Councils can’t vote internally against having Maori Wards. That to me is enforcing compulsory Maori Wards on councils. What say you?
        
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        April 14, 2021 12:48pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        I again refer you to subclause (5), and would add that nothing happens until each council votes, by majority, to establish one or more Māori wards.
        
        In this regard, I note that the Hamilton City Council has reversed a previous decision to introduce a Māori ward or wards in time for the next local elections in October 2022 (see https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/124765158/mori-ward-uturn-splits-hamilton-politicians).
        
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        April 14, 2021 2:31pm
  - Bob
    
    Why make personal effort to self improve when naive taxpayers will vote for the easy option.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:45am
- kowtow
  
  The Media Pardy certainly hyped all her empty sloganeering , on the national and international stages , when will they hold her to account for her utter failure to deliver , on anything , other than divisive, expensive and pointless bans .
  
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  April 14, 2021 8:35am
  - Bob
    
    Not until the media monetary Bribes run out.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:46am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Won’t run out under this government
      
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      April 14, 2021 10:12am
- artemisia
  
  The first sentence in your link Maggy is –
  
  There are fears Aotearoa could end up with a ‘motel generation’ as whānau struggling to afford rents are bumped across emergency accommodation providers.
  
  That suggests it is only money stopping these households for accessing private rentals, despite substantial housing top ups straight from the taxpayer. Yet there are tens of thousands of vacant rentals advertised any day they look.
  
  Something else going on then. No mention of rental history, credit history, general presentation. Tens of thousands of Tenancy Tribunal applications each year, almost all from landlords for rent arrears, damage, anti social behaviour.
  
  This government has brought in many new rules that mean landlords are now very risk averse. They check. Carefully.
  
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  April 14, 2021 8:43am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The Gobblement has pushed up living costs to the level where lesser-abled beneficiaries can’t keep up with rents and Winz are now placing them in subsidised accommodation provided by the State.
    
    What are they going to when they run out of motels? Where are the former motels users going to go? DIY camping?
    
    Something’s amiss in the brains of the controlling class. Oh dear, never mind Cinders will get you some green-hydrogen from Taranaki when she gets out of her fireplace squat.
    
    Just to show how easy to understand this new energy is, absorb this:
    https://e-catworld.com/2021/04/13/the-cynics-vs-the-marvelous-self-organizing-structures-of-the-big-three-mr-z/
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:13am
    - artemisia
      
      Kev, the former motel clients will be booking in to short term rentals. Of which an increasing number have been removed from the general rental pool.
      
      Why? Too risky. And more work to manage but better returns even under current border conditions. Those returns usually enough to pay for management and cleaning, and will continue to be worthwhile even as councils try to extract their litres of blood.
      
      Short term rentals, like renting to family members, are not constrained by the increasingly complex ridiculousness of the Residential Tenancies Act.
      
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      April 14, 2021 9:20am
- cmm
  
  Kids who won’t have grown up knowing how to make a bed or change sheets because that’s something motel staff do.
  
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  April 14, 2021 8:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nope, servicing the rooms does not happen as far as I have een advised.
    
    I saw an article last year where an “occupant” was complaining that she didn’t get her room serviced every day and had to clean her own kitchen …… FFS!
    
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    April 14, 2021 8:49am
    - artemisia
      
      Have seen somewhere that some motels are servicing weekly. Linen probably changed more often.
      
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      April 14, 2021 1:27pm
      - RightFirstTime
        
        Section 5 of the Motel Agreement between the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development (or Te Tuapapa Kura Kainga to be more correct) and the motel operator for the supply of Transitional Housing states:
        “Service – The provision of the Contracted Volume of Units at the Motel with motel services (including but not limited to cleaning of the units, laundry, power, hot water, linen, basic consumables such as toilet paper, soap and shampoo, telephone for local calls, kitchen utensils/facilities, gardening, maintenance and laundry services) as per the ordinary operation of the Motel.”
        
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        April 14, 2021 4:02pm
  - Bob
    
    Kids have been growing up lacking such skills for at least two generations. Not all ‘kids’ have motivated caring parents.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:48am
I remember when

AstraZeneca:
Friends have daughters in Australia, not related,
who have both had trouble sleeping after receiving the vaccine.
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April 14, 2021 8:23am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  It’s not called AstraZeneca anymore. With all the blood clot and thrombosis controversy they changed the name to Vaxzevria. Lol, yeah, that will really fool people, and by the way, what is their motive for this, to get people to take the same experimental jab, without knowing it? Yeah, all in the name of good health, wellness, and niceness….sound familiar?
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:28am
  - SB2
    
    Lets link to Natural News for vital info.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:43am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids, without the knowledge of the individual, certainly without any choice. That’s the way your hard-core Commie works.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:50am
    - Ed Snack
      
      I’m sure you approved of thalidomide for morning sickness on the same basis Mikey. Just do what you are told and be a good sheep.
      
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      April 14, 2021 10:04am
    - Swifty
      
      Mike, with luck one day you might be able to interpret these feelings correctly.
      
      In the meantime, when women sense your power and seek your life essence, you must deny them your essence Mike.
      
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      April 14, 2021 10:43am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I first became aware of it, Swifty, during the physical act of love. Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
        
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        April 14, 2021 11:35am
      - Swifty
        
        Yeh-hes, yes, yes.
        
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        April 14, 2021 11:50am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      MMM. Ha ha, love that movie.
      Peter Sellers at his best.
      
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      April 14, 2021 12:46pm
surfing

https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/266407-new-maori-program-on-its-way-tauranga-schools.html

Parents should really send their kids to private school if they want them to learn maths, english, and science.

This goes on while New Zealand’s international science and maths educational rankings are going down the gurgler…

“The project, called Te Tai Whanake ki Tauranga Moana, will be a first for New Zealand, bringing all Tauranga Moana Iwi and schools together in a unique and enduring way.”
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April 14, 2021 8:27am
Maggie Pie

Covid has of course dominated the headlines for the last 18 months, and for very good reason.
But did you realise that ‘Syphilis’ is also on the rise, with nearly half of all cases reported in New Zealand having been detected in South Auckland!

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/south-aucklands-syphilis-rise-its-not-new-problem-but-getting-worse
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April 14, 2021 8:32am
- The Housekeeper
  
  Maggie, just another red flag to our continuing decay. All our past gains are going up in smoke.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:41am
- SB2
  
  MP , could you expand on that somewhat with a bonus sex educaion spiel?
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:44am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Why? You feeling horny this morning 😛
    
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    April 14, 2021 10:05am
- Bob
  
  Ah ha,….. but syphilis has not been politically declared a PANDEMIC.
  Besides it has been around for centuries, and is easily cured, so why take precautions. The taxpayer mugs will fund the treatment.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:50am
- Pharmachick
  
  Good dose of penicillin should see it off. Its the drug-resistant gonorrhoea that worries me…
  
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  April 14, 2021 11:59am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Perhaps you should be more careful…
    
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    April 14, 2021 12:25pm
Tomtoddy

Richard Prebble has a ripping article in the Ferald today. Too good to try and precis it. Robertson will have choked on his kornies but happily Jacinda will be off to play at the next kindy so she will be spared the embarrassment.

It ought to disturb all of us and it is hard to contradict the predictions.
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April 14, 2021 8:35am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I’m sure it’s a wonderful story but I’m not paying for it.
  
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  April 14, 2021 8:43am
- Frank Thomas
  
  Unfortunately can’t read it due to it being a subscription article. Shame, I have a lot of time for Prebble.
  
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  April 14, 2021 8:46am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    A couple of lines from Prebble….
    “Social credit is the Reserve Bank creating credit and lending it to the Government at zero interest. Today the Reserve Bank has a programme to create $100 billion to lend to the Government at near-zero interest via the secondary market so they can pretend it is not social credit. They also keep up the pretence that it will eventually be repaid, although no one seriously believes that”.
    
    “I have said “if the amount of goods and services remains approximately the same, printing more money will result in inflation”.
    
    “Inflation is ruinous especially for the people Labour represents”.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:02am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      They have already drawn extensively on that source of credit. I believe that a wage/price spiral has been started like happened in 1972. When they can’t say “no” to unions and pay for everything out of borrowed money, our children’s mortgage, don’t be surprised if NZ goes the way of Venezuela.
      
      Remove the rot before it removes us.
      
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      April 14, 2021 9:19am
      - Bob
        
        NZ is presently in a race with El Salvador to see which country can economically destroy itself the quickest.
        
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        April 14, 2021 1:23pm
      - MCos
        
        “NZ goes the way of Venezuela.”
        The doomsday prophets have been warning us about our imminent implosion ever since women got the vote.
        
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        April 14, 2021 1:44pm
    - plc
      
      Fixed it for you:
      
      …for the people Labour PURPORTS TO REPRESENT.
      
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      April 14, 2021 9:20am
    - cmm
      
      There was some CNN type on the radio yesterday saying that people and governments would be stupid to NOT borrow money at the current low rates.
      
      All fine except:
      1) No matter the rates it needs to be paid back some day – burdening a generation with extra debt that will slow the economy in the future. That’s going to be a rough ride because with the expected slump in population there won’t be as much growth to fuel the economy – hitting them with a double whammy (triple whammy if you add in the impacts of automation).
      2) It might be “free” money now, but those low rates are not going to last forever. Get a mortgage at 2% now – fine, but will you be able to handle it if the rate goes to 5% in 5 years’ time? Even if governments get low rates locked in, again that can only happen through being effectively subsidised by other money in the system – pushing up inflation on future generations.
      
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      April 14, 2021 9:57am
      - H. Upmann
        
        Imagine a millennial type having to comprehend, let alone cope, with an early 1980’s interest rate of 20+%.
        
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        April 14, 2021 11:45am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        “Free” money now pushed asset (house) prices up.
        
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        April 14, 2021 1:09pm
  - RockyJ
    
    I am with you in regard to the Herald. I withdrew my subscription because of their refusal to publish any science contradicting their ‘climate crisis’ narrative and their refusal to publish anything on the plan for Maori to take over democracy in NZ. Example is their withdrawal of Michael Bassett’s article on the new history curriculum.
    I know this is off topic here.
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:53am
    - H. Upmann
      
      I have been on a bribery-rate Herald subscription since December but the full rates kick in for me next week. Therefore cancellation day is tomorrow.
      
      In hindsight, it was not worth much more than the $1/month it cost me and in fact caused health issues with have to swallow frequent bias, particularly from the very odious Simon Wilson.
      
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      April 14, 2021 11:51am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Seems that Labour and the separatists have learned from John Key’s mistakes on the flag. They are implementing apartheid without giving the public a say on anything.
      
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      April 14, 2021 12:01pm
- kowtow
  
  The conclusion is straight forward and obvious , to all but a socialist ;
  
  ” The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment”
  
  This in the context of this gubmint’s $100 b printing boom.
  
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  April 14, 2021 8:46am
  - Bob
    
    General impoverishment is the aim of all Communist government economic system. Then every body is equal; i.e NIRVANA.; and the govt takes control of the ‘means of production’ in the name of the people.
    Only the Politburo are allowed to own assets.
    
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    April 14, 2021 1:28pm
- Bob
  
  Taken Prebble nearly 40 years to understand economics; I remember his utterances from the Lange era.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:51am
  - septic skeptic
    
    The Lange era. I wish we were back in those days! Prebble sounded like he was an idiot when he was in opposition to Muldoon. I think it took him about 6 months of being a minister to come over to the dark side. The Roger Douglas led early Lange years were the best government we ever had.
    
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    April 14, 2021 12:04pm
    - MCos
      
      Depending on your point of view, as always.
      There are plenty of people round who thought Muldoon was the bee’s knees still.
      However by the time of his bitter departure immediate action was required that steadily became so draconian even Lange came to dislike the Lange administration.
      
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      April 14, 2021 1:57pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Prebble has good points, but inevitably it is virtually impossible to pick when a market collapse will occur. Or more particularly, if it happens at all.
  
  The whole mechanism of QE came into vogue with the GFC. The Federal Reserve concluded it could make money available to the Federal govt at basically zero percent. Of course the money supply expanded, and it had to be spent. If new activity occurs then it is not necessarily inflationary. That was the experience of the recovery from the GFC, now some 13 years ago. Recovery did occur, there was no collapse, though the US govt debt did increased as a percentage of GDP.
  
  The covid recovery has used the same QE mechanism, though on a bigger scale. It is a question of judgement as to when the debt level is too high. For NZ govt debt will get to to 50% of GDP. Will that that trigger a 1930’s depression or total collapse as Prebble expects? Not at 50%
  
  The level of QE would need to result in NZ govt debt getting to Argentinian levels, with debt being over 100% of GDP, coupled with an inability to collect taxes. The same sort of thing as happened in Greece.
  
  Is NZ like Argentina or Greece? I know some Kiwibloggers will automatically say “yes”, but that is a belief rather than a fact.
  
  Of course a stable country can end up like Argentina or Greece, but we are a long way from that.
  
  In any event the sort of depression that Prebble talks about would first be sparked in the US if it was to kill NZ as a side effect. Again I think it is unlikely the US is going to have a depression scale collapse.
  
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  April 14, 2021 1:29pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Wayne, my view is that most of the RBNZ’s recent QE is motivated by wanting to keep the NZD down.
    
    The NZD is up about 17% in the last 12 months, mainly because (a) we have managed Covid comparatively well and (b) our trading partners are all doing their own QE which is suppressing their currencies. If it weren’t for the RBNZ’s QE the NZD would be up a *lot* more than that and our exporters would be on their knees.
    
    From the point of view of the RBNZ’s mandate I suspect they justify it that if the exchange rate rises too far too fast then that’s deflationary and creates a risk of economic & banking system instability. So they are justified in acting to keep inflation towards their target range, and to maintain system stability.
    
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    April 14, 2021 1:41pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Virtual,
      
      Interesting point of view.
      
      I must say I thought the real red herring of Prebble’s article was the discussion on Bitcoin, as if that was an indicator of the real value of international currencies. Using the “bitcoin deflator” meant all the world currencies had declined by 85%. However, on the big scheme of things, Bitcoin is tiny and subject to variations barely connected to the real economy. However, Prebble is well known for extravagant analogies.
      
      Gold would have been a much better proxy for the value of currency, given its history and the depth of the market. In May 2020 it was $1700, by August it was $2050 and now it is just over $1700. So no real indication of inflation in gold.
      
      I personally think the Federal Reserve has enough knowledge to stem the complete crash of the US economy. They did so in 2008, they did so in 2020. Yes, total Federal debt is now 100% of GDP, which is much higher than NZ. But the private sector in the US is vastly more liquid than New Zealand. I would say 50% govt debt in NZ is the equivalent of !00% in the US.
      
      Why is Argentina so vulnerable at 100% Debt to GDP ratio? Basically because they don’t collect taxes, therefore the government can’t pay the interest bill on the debt. They therefore default. When that happens (as is also the case in Greece) the economy completely tanks.
      
      Is there any risk that the NZ government (or the US govt) not being able to pay the interest on debt?
      
      Not the slightest risk. The interest bill on the NZ govt debt is only $1 billion, out of $100 billion govt revenue.
      
      In short Prebble is being an alarmist. As he frequently is.
      
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      April 14, 2021 4:32pm
Justitia

The Department of Conservation, destroying our Sub-Antarctic heritage: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/124757215/islands-of-the-lost-heritage. These scientifically and strategically important islands in the Southern Ocean have to all intents and purposes been abandoned by New Zealand. And the fishing industry and Maori interests have torpedoed extending marine protection. A total disgrace on this government.
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April 14, 2021 8:35am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Read the History of the Coastwatchers in PNG and the other P Is. They were a brave bunch and knew if captured a nasty death awaited them.
  
  The Light at the entrance to Madang Harbour is their monument.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:15am
- Ed Snack
  
  Given a shortage of money, quite frankly a decision NOT to spend significant sums restoring some already derelict and unused and essentially never visited buildings is quite understandable.
  
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  April 14, 2021 10:09am
- mikenmildagain
  
  ”There are thousands of archaeological sites on DOC land. Six hundred or 700 sites on Lake Wakatipu alone. We then have to decide, with our budget, which ones are we going to leave and which ones are we going to manage and actively maintain.
  “It’s very difficult to make those choices.”
  
  I’m not sure that too many Kiwibloggers will agree with you that DoC should spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to refurbish unused and derelict WWII buildings on Campbell Island and the Auckland Islands.
  
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  April 14, 2021 10:14am
I remember when

Just wondering, with all the families in motels at the moment what effect it is having on school rolls and attendance.
Are they able to go to their nearest school, are teachers having to be re-located, can facilities handle what must be rapid change in some areas.
This is also a chance to follow up on immunisations, health checks, dental care for children.
Will agencies use the opportunity.
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April 14, 2021 8:36am
- Tall Man
  
  School … Pfftttttt.
  
  “School attendance rates have been dropping over the last number of years, and are as low as 50% in some decile 1 schools.”
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:12am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The accommodation is only temporary so schooling must be in jeopardy.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:21am
- cmm
  
  They were probably already wagging school so probably not much change.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:57am
  - sooty
    
    Are they bused out of the area with school zoning?
    
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    April 14, 2021 11:25am
- MCos
  
  I would expect they would attend the local schools.
  During the Chch earthquake a couple of my nieces kids relocated temporarily to my mother’s home in Timaru where they went to a nearby school for a few weeks until they returned home.
  There are a lot of kids who have the misfortune to move around a number of schools, particularly out in the countryside where workers move are various farms.
  
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  April 14, 2021 2:17pm
kowtow

The Media have been promoting a “drama” called the Crown .

Surely under their new purity laws the actors and actresses portraying royalty should only be allowed those roles if they are of royal blood .

Or am I missing something here.
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April 14, 2021 8:37am
- septic skeptic
  
  You will get an uptick from Megan
  
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  April 14, 2021 12:06pm
rjay

This letter from the former Chief Statistican puts the Governments lack of statistics and measurements into context. Basicly the bureaucrats are not doing their job.
https://www.statschat.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Statement-on-Statistics-Len-Cook-DomPost-Sat-10April21.jpg
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April 14, 2021 8:40am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Public Service and the Ministers have been dumbed down to degree where stats are useless to them. They couldn’t distinguish a standard deviation from a minor third.
  I understand that the decline in the Public Service to Superior Welfare Recipients is attributed to one Helen Clark.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:27am
Tall Man

Has anyone seen the Taxpayers Union ad in the Herald?
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April 14, 2021 8:43am
Raphael

So yesterday’s shooting in Minnesota of Daunte Wright has given everyone a taste of what will happen if the Chauvin trial doesn’t get the verdict the Mob wants.

Now in the Wright case (where he had a warrant out for his arrest, he wasn’t just stopped for “having an air freshener”) the cop was in the wrong. How the heck can a 26 year veteran not tell the difference between gun and a tazer? The cop in question was not fit for duty. (and how now resigned…. in this case I could see a strong case for manslaughter charges due to negligence)
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April 14, 2021 8:51am
- kowtow
  
  Yep , adrenaline ,fear ,a genuine mistake ,confusion etc
  
  Very easy for all us armchair warriors to sit back in the comfort of our cosy homes and pre judge the efforts or otherwise of frontline police , out there on shifts doing the shittiest work there is for pretty crap pay.
  
  And yes join the ranks of the far left , take a knee and defund the police ………and when some thug high on the latest produce our chemists have come up with is smashing his way into your house , who ya gonna call ?
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:03am
  - Raphael
    
    I can point you to a number of conservative and pro-cop (including ex cops, and former trainers) commentators pointing out the same thing.
    
    The tazer is specifically kept on non-dominant side.
    The glock is way heavier than the tazer.
    The tazer is bright yellow, the glock isn’t
    
    Officer Tatum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SKivqzLois
    Donut Operator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm5SMurcZtM
    
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    April 14, 2021 9:56am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It’s muscle memory. You train fighters to the point where they don’t even have to think about what they are doing generally when bone tired, stressed and with physical pain delivered for every failure. They instinctively bring up guard when scared. You could train the same in police to get them to the point where they always pull the weapon they need without thought beyond ‘gun’ or ‘Taser’ through repetition. This veteran policewoman failed through lack of practise.
    
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    April 14, 2021 10:56am
- Tall Man
  
  See the problem …
  
  https://c8.alamy.com/comp/ANNGXN/police-woman-pointing-handgun-and-holding-flashlight-ANNGXN.jpg
  
  https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0053/4482/1321/products/33602_xl_4ad795db-55ef-4eaf-a9b7-35ba6039aa5a_1024x1024.jpg?v=1559900868
  
  Now add in “knees trembling” and “shitting your pants”…..
  
  Now add in total inexperience ….
  
  “only about a quarter (27%) of all officers say they have ever fired their service weapon while on the job, according to a separate Pew Research Center survey conducted by the National Police Research Platform. The survey was conducted May 19-Aug. 14, 2016, among a nationally representative sample of 7,917 sworn officers working in 54 police and sheriff’s departments with 100 or more officers.”
  
  https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/08/a-closer-look-at-police-officers-who-have-fired-their-weapon-on-duty/
  
  Just like here, most cops are not proficient in firearm use.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:09am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Obviously the cop could tell the difference between her gun and taser if she put her mind to it therefore she didn’t.
  
  So the question is why and what went wrong with training, design or implementation. That will now be fought out in court but needs to be examined critically in a less emotive context.
  
  In the meantime it is a tragedy for many seen as an opportunity by some.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:59am
  - I remember when
    
    The need for more and better training is obvious in all of the US black/white episodes.
    A family member had a member of the police call in late one night after the police were involved in a high speed chase.
    The police officer was in a high state of excitement and took a considerable time to return to their normal state.
    Performance under abnormal stress has to be taught and procedures learned to counter the pressures.
    Training must be continuous and counselling readily available.
    
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    April 14, 2021 11:45am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      I saw a lot of cops in that state in 1981. Scary. Was a small miracle no-one died but came awfully close at the final Auckland Test.
      
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      April 14, 2021 12:20pm
- MCos
  
  This incident happened in America, which is not the same as New Zealand.
  Here are some examples of harassment some darker skinned people routinely face from the police over yonder.
  https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/1382126718207557633?s=21
  
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  April 14, 2021 2:28pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

We were watching CNN earlier. Reported a ‘Use-of-Force’ expert testified ….. “Derek Chauvin’s actions were justified and met objectively reasonable standards”

Like my partner remarked… “The trial is over. The good people living in Miniapolis should prepare to evacuate now”
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April 14, 2021 8:52am
- James Stephenson
  
  Residents of St Paul will be preparing to blow the bridges across the river…
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:53am
- Apropos of the Wet Snow
  
  How do people reconcile their belief that all groups are equal and can thus coexist perfectly peacefully, with the observation that some groups will routinely riot, loot and plunder when a legal dispute doesn’t go their way?
  
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  April 14, 2021 10:53am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The Grauniad offered this pearl of wisdom, reporting on the same thing:
  
  “Chauvin is a white former officer for the Minneapolis police department. He is on trial facing charges of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter, in George Floyd’s death during an arrest on 25 May 2020. He pressed his knee against the neck of Floyd, who is Black, for more than nine minutes. Floyd, who was subdued, prone against the pavement, died.”
  
  I’ve added the emphasis to show that white is written with a small “w”, while Black is described with a capital “b”. Of course they also don’t mention many other salient facts, such as the amount of fentanyl in his body, which was 3 times the usual lethal dose, or that video clearly shows the knee was for the most part across Floyd’s back and shoulders (in the manner every officer is trained for), or that the cause of death remains unclear or at best a matter of some dispute.
  
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  April 14, 2021 12:53pm
Maggie Pie

I see where an ex Senior Detective is saying the investigation into the ‘unexplained death’ of Hanna Polkinghorne may now be leaning more towards a ‘homicide’ inquiry 🙁

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1382034756020363266

My partners mum said if it’s fine tomorrow she’s thinking of going to the Funeral Service at St Mary’s. Not that she knew Hanna. Thought she’d just stand around outside and be nosy to see if there’s anybody wearing those Aviator Sunglasses.
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April 14, 2021 9:18am
- RiP NZ
  
  The increasingly unhinged mods and hosts dont see it this way Maggie.
  In fact – they are getting the USA they advocated for.
  
  What they dont realsie is Amercican culture leads, wher she goes others follow, maybe some 10 yeras or so later, but if the Staes goes down – the West goes with.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:41am
- SB2
  
  MP, testing the Remuera tedium threshold?
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:47am
- cha
  
  Not that she knew Hanna
  
  Your low-life MIL crashes funerals for the feed?
  
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  April 14, 2021 11:00am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Only the ones in remmers 😀
    
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    April 14, 2021 11:20am
    - sooty
      
      Better class of food there!
      
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      April 14, 2021 11:36am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Yes better to be safe than sorry!
        Ma recalls getting a takeaway Kebab in Mt Roskill once…..ended up with food poisoning!
        She’s sure it was deliberate.
        
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        April 14, 2021 12:57pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Maggie Pie @12:57PM
        
        She should have had the Goats Eye audorves first. They prevent food poisoning if eaten fresh and before rotten meat Kebabs done Mount Roskill style.
        
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        April 14, 2021 1:16pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Blames herself actually Nick.
        Should have know better than to park her new Merc right outside the shop.
        
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        April 14, 2021 1:33pm
- Belinda
  
  Oh to be a fly on the wall at funeral, will the “eternal friend” be doing a Mark Lundy?
  
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  April 14, 2021 1:36pm
mandk

(response to rjay)

I suspect the bureaucrats were actually doing their job, which, as they see it, is to do the bidding of their Minister(s).

I find it hard to believe that the Mental Health report was eviscerated without the say so of one or more government politicians.
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April 14, 2021 9:27am
- Bob
  
  Now would our honest Minister do such a thing; any Minister of this government!.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:55am
  - sooty
    
    Bloody oath! Quick as look at you.
    
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    April 14, 2021 11:38am
- KevO'Brien
  
  They are not capable of reading it let alone using an eviscerator.
  
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  April 14, 2021 1:14pm
Monique Watson

Charge new builds 50k for hook ups to services claimable on income tax. Release some land for residential development.That would take the heat outta the market on the tired old 1950’s houses getting recycled for a fortune each time.
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April 14, 2021 9:34am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Why don’t new build rates pay for their infrastructure exactly the same way everyone else’s do?
  
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  April 14, 2021 10:51am
  - Bob
    
    They do, that is why sections are so expensive.
    
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    April 14, 2021 1:32pm
- Harriet
  
  I’m of the opinion that single dwellings shouldn’t be legal to rent out, and in that way all old housing stock will be demolished for dual or multiple occupancy buildings.
  Individual homeowners joining together and selling out to developers will see a sweeping change throughout the poorer suburbs, and jobs plentiful for young males and females. You could double immigration and fix sewerage and other issues at the same time.
  
  Supply and demand will be beneficial to all stakeholders, nationwide.
  
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  April 14, 2021 11:00am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Fantastic idea. That way the purchase and destruction of an existing house will be added to the cost of building new ones. That’s bound to reduce prices.
    
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    April 14, 2021 12:05pm
Flossie

I see that an MIQ worker testing positive for covid had not been tested since November. Could this government be any worse?
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April 14, 2021 9:49am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “Hold my beer”
  
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  April 14, 2021 1:57pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Aljaz reports that Egypt has seized the ‘Ever Given’ boat after saying owner owes ‘billion dollar debt’ following the Suez Canal blockage.

(Still no word on the digger-driver being paid his overtime.)
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April 14, 2021 10:01am
- James Stephenson
  
  The “digger driver” was a fake news story designed to cover up the truth, that has now come out:
  
  https://i.imgur.com/hxlAesv.gifv
  
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  April 14, 2021 10:18am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! 😀 😀
    
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    April 14, 2021 10:25am
BAM

Anyone who doesn’t think Bridges is undermining Collins’s leadership is a fucking idiot.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/simon-bridges-cryptic-dance-on-luxon-bridges-leadership-talk/R6D7KPM564LUEEOVC525LZLI7U/

What a pathetic joke of a party, I hold people like Bridges and Luxon just as responsible as Ardern for the destruction that is happening to New Zealand.
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April 14, 2021 10:03am
Ian Boag

Heard Judith on RNZ this morning. Basically saying to put aside the RMA while a new one is being worked on and go full steam to get some new land out there. There are a couple of question marks – does the “freed up land” change hands at current residential property prices or something lower?

Personally I think a reasonable proportion of this “freed up land” (whatever that means) should have state houses built on it. Only the state has the scale and muscle to make meaningful progress. Too bad the MoW is history. Thanks Rodge.

This is like the Christchurch rebuild and expansion to the likes of Rolleston only more so. The patient land bankers at the RUB will make a killing but it is what it is.

I give Judith full marks for a bipartisan approach here. This is a “now” problem and she is putting up a “now” solution.
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April 14, 2021 10:14am
- Cinematic
  
  Only the State has the scale and muscle? The State doesn’t currently have either sorry. It’s private citizens that can get the work done, if central and local government gets the hell out of the way.
  
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  April 14, 2021 10:30am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Was government in the way 2009-2017? Then there was Kiwibuild was trying to get the private sector to build lots and we know how that worked out.
    
    So what does “get out of the way” actually mean?
    
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    April 14, 2021 10:40am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Of course it was in the way and still is. Go read the Building Act and RMA.
      
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      April 14, 2021 12:02pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        So freeing up land (ie rezoning) won’t cut it?
        
        I got the impression Judith’s idea is to take considerable liberties with the RMA (while waiting for the new one) like what happened post-quake. Do what has to be done and all that. That’s an idea that works for me ….
        
        Can you do a brief executive summary of what I should be reading …..
        
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        December 14, 2020 12:51pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      https://theconversation.com/new-zealands-new-housing-policy-is-really-just-a-new-tax-package-and-its-a-shambles-158768
      
      I’ve said numerous times:
      1. Restore property rights to owners and create tradeable rights to sunlight, privacy and pollution control.
      2. Remove council liability other than for basic health and safety.
      
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      April 14, 2021 1:27pm
- I remember when
  
  ‘Too bad the MoW is history. Thanks Rodge.’
  Not sure how well the present Labour Party/Greens would fit in with the old MoW.
  
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  April 14, 2021 11:24am
Maggie Pie

Should we be arming our Cows?
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April 14, 2021 10:17am
- sooty
  
  Maybe they will blow up like whales!
  
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  April 14, 2021 11:42am
Alan Wilkinson

This is an interesting article:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/300276069/study-school-streaming-destroys-kids-selfbelief

Seems to me that with good teaching and management the best kids will help the others but with poor management the worst kids will hinder the others.

I also think that teaching someone helps both the teacher and the student understand the subject better so it can also be beneficial to the best students.

One on one teaching avoids the discouragement of being at the wrong end of a class ladder which is surely a cause of a heap of social problems for all those whose parents are not able or willing to contribute.
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April 14, 2021 10:22am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Personally, I found teachers abused my intelligence by having me do their work (while at small schools).
  
  I also found that, in non-streamed classes, I missed out on answering some top end exam questions because the teacher never taught us that subject matter because they spent too much time on the easier stuff.
  
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  April 14, 2021 10:43am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Yes, it’s a tough balancing act – especially in a small school probably although in that case streaming is hardly an option.
    
    Learning how to learn is the most valuable life lesson. Being pushed to excel has both positive and negative outcomes. Requires great sensitivity to individuals, timing and luck to judge correctly.
    
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    April 14, 2021 11:59am
virtualmark

We are taking the military threat from China way too complacently.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-12/christopher-pyne-potential-conflict-china-politics/100064226

Meanwhile, both our major political parties are compromised by China (Jian Yang & Raymond Huo are just two simple examples).
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April 14, 2021 10:22am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Meanwhile, both our major political parties are compromised by China’
  
  Our economy is also hopelessly compromised by over reliance on same.
  
  Some made a lot of money out of it , but we all lost our sovereignty.
  
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  April 14, 2021 12:59pm
Tony Stuart

Chris Bishop on Twitter just now:

Christopher Bishop
@cjsbishop
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BREAKING: one of three Grand Millennium workers (Case B) was tested for COVID-19 on April 8…. but their last test before that was November 2020. They’re meant to be tested every two weeks. They are a “regular relief worker” at the facility. Unbelievable.

https://twitter.com/cjsbishop/status/1382084843337515010

This quite simply beggars belief. If one MIQ worker has managed not to be tested for almost five months, how many more are there, and would those in charge even know that answer?

I hope Bishop has already drafted a letter to Speaker Mallard asking for an Urgent Debate this afternoon. This is incompetence of the worst kind from our Government, and heads should be rolling.
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April 14, 2021 10:25am
- BAM
  
  What does the membership think of Bridges and Luxon undermining Judith Collins?
  
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  April 14, 2021 10:31am
  - rockape
    
    I don’t think they @re. Show evidence of you disagree and a press article without Vince is just hearsay.
    
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    April 14, 2021 12:48pm
    - BAM
      
      The only people who can shut this down are Bridges and Luxon.
      
      All they have to do is come out and say it’s all lies and media mischief, The fact that they haven’t, speaks volumes.
      
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      April 14, 2021 1:37pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It would be outrageous.
    What do we think of this continuing propagation of $105M lies and suppositions–corruption.
    
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    April 14, 2021 3:58pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Bam blam.
    
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    April 14, 2021 4:00pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  But wait; there’s more!
  
  A security guard who tested positive last week was previously last tested in November last year – six months ago – even though he is meant to be tested every fortnight.
  
  The information has emerged during the health select committee this morning, when MBIE chief executive Carolyn Tremain said the last test in their system was from November.
  
  She said the security guard was a relief night-shift worker – who are still meant to be tested every fortnight – who worked regularly as opposed to casually.
  
  Tremain is fronting the committee this morning with director general of health Ashley Bloomfield and head of MIQ Brigadier Jim Bliss.
  
  She said there were inconsistencies across the whole recording system for border worker testing, and MBIE was working to make sure it was complying with the public health order requiring the frequent testing of border workers.
  
  She added that the guard may have been tested more recently than November – but if so, it wasn’t in the system.
  
  She said 89 per cent of 4000-odd MIQ workers had now received their first vaccine jab.
  
  National Party Covid-19 response spokesman Chris Bishop asked: “How many workers have missed tests they should have had in the border workforce?”
  
  Tremain said she didn’t know.
  
  MIQ deputy chief executive Megan Main added: “No, we don’t know the exact number. We’re working towards a mandated system next week … the 300 or so employers in MIQ will have the abilty to look at percentages of compliance and non-compliaince in a more robust way.”
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-infected-miq-security-guard-last-tested-in-november-before-testing-positive-last-week/III7XSVARTLQLNUVB5V5J5ZN5Q/
  
  This is an absolute clusterf#ck from the Government, but it’s unlikely that anyone will be held responsible; that’s Ardern’s way.
  
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  April 14, 2021 10:31am
  - sooty
    
    They have only just found out how many MIQ workers they think they have as well!
    
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    April 14, 2021 11:45am
  - virtualmark
    
    I suspect that by year end we will have found out that 89% of eligible people choosing to have the vaccine is representative. We have to expect there will be many people who choose *not* to have the vaccine. 4,000 people is likely to be a pretty representative sample, so observing 10-ish% non-takeup is likely to be reliable indication.
    
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    April 14, 2021 1:45pm
- Cinematic
  
  Fine work being done by Chris Bishop so far this term.
  
  Unfortunately the only things rolling will be Jacinda’s eyes paired with pouty face. She knows she could swear allegiance to the CCP and 99% of the media would celebrate it as a masterful stroke of diplomacy. Untouchable.
  
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  April 14, 2021 10:39am
- Paulus
  
  If it is from National Mallard will ignore or lose it anyway.
  He is a disgrace and we will not forget his behaviour.
  
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  April 14, 2021 1:55pm
Libertarians are right

Lefties in the US are now calling Looting “Material Liberation” – I’m not even kidding.
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April 14, 2021 10:48am
- kowtow
  
  BML ?
  
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  April 14, 2021 1:01pm
I remember when

Government announces live cattle shipments to be phased out over 2 years,
Lucky that didn’t happen in the 1800’s.
Of course it was much more humane back then.
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April 14, 2021 11:05am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Nice to see Labour live up to their election promises so soon after the election. It’s good for democracy that they are making these very big, sector defining decisions with a mandate from the people.
  
  Wait, you mean they didn’t go to the election with this as part of their policy platform?
  
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  April 14, 2021 11:56am
  - Cinematic
    
    Millions of dollars and thousands of jobs threatened for what exactly? Idiots last term, now dangerous idiots creating havoc for no return this term.
    
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    April 14, 2021 12:39pm
  - Paulus
    
    What Labour Policy – they won without a Policy anyway last time.
    Cindy is still wonderful to her women supporters and that is all is needed.
    
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    April 14, 2021 1:57pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Actually, their policy was that they would focus on Covid and not make any other drastic changes. They have proven that an outright lie time and again already.
      
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      April 14, 2021 2:32pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The ships they are complaining about are old vessels converted to cattle carrying.
  
  There is nothing wrong with modern purpose designed vessels.
  
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  April 14, 2021 12:36pm
  - I remember when
    
    All by sea.
    
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    April 14, 2021 2:21pm
    - I remember when
      
      Our reputation is to be the most ethical –
      only a matter of time until we start banning imports and exports on vessels with unacceptable crew welfare issues.
      
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      April 14, 2021 2:27pm
Fletch

I see now that the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is also being credited with causing blood clots and both the FDA, CDC are calling for a pause in its use…

So, that’s 2 of the vaccines now. I know we have a different one in NZ but how safe are these things really? It’s hard to know what to think – whether there is an acceptable percentage when it comes to the suffering of those from the virus.
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April 14, 2021 11:07am
- virtualmark
  
  6 cases across 7 million doses.
  
  Meanwhile 31% of Covid patients in hospital have blood clots.
  
  Look, if we gave 7 million adults 400mg of codeine then you’d have to expect a small number (6?) would have an unexpected adverse reaction. Or substitute paracetamol for codeine, or any other supposedly “safe” medication.
  
  What you are seeing is more about the law of big numbers than it is about unsafe vaccines.
  
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  April 14, 2021 1:48pm
I remember when

Taranaki hit an all-time high unemployment total in December with 3564 on the MSD’s jobseeker work ready benefit.
By last month it had dropped to around 3300.
This is the same total as April, 2020, after 600 people were made redundant in the space of a month.
Although the total has fluctuated from month to month, it has not dropped below this level.
Maori in the region have been most affected.
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April 14, 2021 11:14am
cha

Well, it turns out Matt Gaetz bff has been
cooperating with the feds for months.
The net could be wider than just Gaetz…

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/joel-greenberg-matt-gaetz.html
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April 14, 2021 11:16am
- virtualmark
  
  There’s no honour among crooks eh?
  
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  April 14, 2021 1:48pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Nelson Munce voice: “HA-HA”!
  
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  April 14, 2021 2:24pm
Tauhei Notts

My wife was most impressed by David Seymour on radio earlier this morning.
It seems unfair that he is not paid as the Leader of the Opposition.
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April 14, 2021 11:23am
Maggie Pie

One thing that has become extremely concerning of late, and that is the number of calls on talkback for the scrapping of School Zones.
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April 14, 2021 11:44am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14M5Sfk96Rg

Japan’s Big Plans to Invest in India’s Strategically Located Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

In the times to come, Japan and India will most definitely strengthen their partnership and cooperation in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, posing a severe challenge to Chinese expansionism and belligerence. [It’s nice to see the good guys sticking together.]
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April 14, 2021 11:53am
- kowtow
  
  At least this time the IJN won’t have the trouble of running the RN all the way out of the Indian Ocean .
  
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  April 14, 2021 1:03pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    To be fair, in 1942 I think the RN only had to retreat to East Africa…
    
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    April 14, 2021 2:22pm
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/10/az-gov-ducey-signs-bill-into-law-that-prohibits-private-funding-of-election-administration/
Arizona Bans Private Funding of Election Administration.

Arizona is now the first state in the country that specifically prohibits the controversial private funding of election administration that was introduced to the American political process in the 2020 presidential election, when Facebook CEO and founder Mark Zuckerberg contributed $419 million to two non-profit groups that in turn funded state, county, and local election administration, which critics say benefited Democrats unfairly.
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April 14, 2021 11:53am
plc

Opinion piece from a US High School teacher on what he is seeing in his school

https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/i-refuse-to-stand-by-while-my-students

The insidious creep of cancel culture into the mainstream
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April 14, 2021 12:13pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone know what qualifications you need to get a job as a TV Programmer?

Why on earth would you put ‘Popstars’ up against ‘MAFS’…….bloody wankers!
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April 14, 2021 12:30pm
- mandk
  
  More to the point, why on earth would anyone watch either of those programmes?
  
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  April 14, 2021 1:07pm
  - MCos
    
    Because the Kardashians are on some other night, maybe.
    
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    April 14, 2021 2:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  As I’ve said, you need to get out more.
  
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  April 14, 2021 8:35pm
Tauhei Notts

Many provincial town bank branches are closing.
Those that remain are beginning to fight back.
“May I change this $100 note for four twenties and four fivers, please?”
“May I see your customer bank card please” said the teller.
“But I am neither depositing nor withdrawing money.”
“That’s right, but we cannot give change to people who are not customers of our bank,” she replied.
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April 14, 2021 12:36pm
- kowtow
  
  And the so called hubs they’ve set up are an insult to their customers and a pretence of “caring”.
  
  They need to get a big kick in the bum from he of the mighty native tree who issues them licenses…..
  
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  April 14, 2021 1:09pm
- Tall Man
  
  I went to the local Z last month, bought $170 worth of fuel then popped into the shop and asked the Indian woman behind the counter if she could split $50 into 2 $20 s and a $10. No, was the reply as she didn’t want to upset her float…
  
  Guess what, the last $450 of fuel has been bought elsewhere.
  
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  April 14, 2021 8:32pm
dcrane

Apparently NZ Herald thinks a story about failed testing at the border should be filed under “Politics”. Cause you know it’s just political parties sniping and all.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-infected-miq-security-guard-last-tested-in-november-before-testing-positive-last-week/III7XSVARTLQLNUVB5V5J5ZN5Q/
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April 14, 2021 1:04pm
Maggie Pie

That same girl from tennis was saying Bomber’s radio show will be on Magic @ 8pm Sunday.
She was wondering if MediaWorks run background checks on all their new hosts?
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April 14, 2021 1:08pm
Inandout

Scratch any Marxist and you will find a capitalist.
‘How much of her money is actually going to charitable causes?’ Head of NYC BLM chapter calls for probe into organization’s co-founder as it’s revealed ‘she has spent $3MILLION on FOUR luxury homes’
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April 14, 2021 1:22pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Candace Owens pointed out that Khan-Cullors is a Marxist and Marxists exist to enrich themselves off the hard work of others so at least she’s being entirely consistent with her ideological beliefs.
  
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  April 14, 2021 1:57pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  No surprises there, but they’re clearly not homes in Auckland if you only get 4 for $3m.
  
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  April 14, 2021 2:16pm
  - Tall Man
    
    $US ….
    
    $4.3 nz 😉
    
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    April 14, 2021 8:29pm
Bobba Fret

Looks like the security guard that has not been tested since November is now getting the blame.
This from the Herald:
“A Covid-infected MIQ security guard told his employer he was having regular tests – but had not had one since November, the Government has revealed.”
Sounds similar to a KFC worker.
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April 14, 2021 1:33pm
- MCos
  
  Sounds nothing like the KFC worker, but it does sound like the security company needs a kick up the bum.
  It also sounds like the MoH, rather than wasting money on, you know, mental health, suicide prevention, etc needs to put more resources into overseeing these security firms.
  
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  April 14, 2021 4:18pm
I remember when

We are all born equal. Yeah right!
Sophia Hudson, New Plymouth Sacred Heart, was the winner of the U-17 New Zealand Girls single skulls title.
Her mother is Joan Hudson (nee Solia), a former Silver Fern.
Of course, it still takes a lot of training, skill and determination.
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April 14, 2021 1:50pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  single skulls title
  
  A head hunter?
  
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  April 14, 2021 3:18pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    No scull like in booze or oarswomenship.
    
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    April 14, 2021 3:51pm
Sacha

People are still going on about the safety of the hastily rushed-to-market COVID vaccines.
It seems that there is considerable cause for doubting the veracity of the basic science.
Virus Isolation – Dr Sam Bailey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huEaH-boaoY
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April 14, 2021 2:44pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Crank alert:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122842196/experts-slam-christchurch-doctors-claims-covid19-tests-are-unreliable
  
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  April 14, 2021 3:17pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Why do you disagree with the WHO who has recently reported that beyond 35 cycles they are not reliable and all positives should be re-tested.
    
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    April 14, 2021 3:49pm
Maggie Pie

Just caught the tail end of todays ‘Question Time’.

Could people be forgiven thinking that Chris Luxton and Matt Doocey are twins?
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April 14, 2021 3:13pm
- graham
  
  … LUXON …
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:24pm
Governance Notes

Watch those power prices folks! Meridian is close to triggering cuts to Tiwai. Dire hydro situation is compounded by shrinking gas supply and wholesale prices are soaring. Reemember be kind to each other.
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April 14, 2021 3:17pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

For safety reasons, Air NZ are making passengers jump on the scales to check their weight before boarding the plane.
Why would anyone object to that?

Oh wait……check out some of the embarrassed ‘fat-arsed’ replies to Hill’s tweet. LOL!!

https://twitter.com/Hilary_Barry/status/1382129381095604225
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April 14, 2021 3:36pm
- cmm
  
  Aotearoflot is racist!
  
  FFS how can this be a good look esp considering the shape of the average passenger waddling through AKL.
  
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  April 14, 2021 3:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    They say staff can’t actually see what you weigh. LOL!!
    Whenever I have to jump on the scales somewhere, I always act surprised and call out “Look! 61 kg”
    
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    April 14, 2021 4:08pm
    - Tall Man
      
      4 ft 3 eh Maggie 😉
      
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      April 14, 2021 7:26pm
Benedict Yu

This is a GOVERNMENT report that seeks to explain the deaths of women caused by their boyfriends and husbands bashing, stabbing, strangling them.

https://www.hqsc.govt.nz/our-programmes/mrc/fvdrc/publications-and-resources/publication/3985/

I was expecting that it would give advice about how women should stay away from pieces of shit killers. But instead it focuses in great detail on how violence and killing of women is a result of “colonisation”.

When are people going to rebel against this? The media should be holding the authors of this rubbish up to ridicule. And this is not some academic. It is the official government agency responsible for reporting on the causes of family violence.
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April 14, 2021 3:49pm
- graham
  
  After about three minutes of skimming through it, I sadly found that you are right. Any violence in a Maori man’s life is caused by privilege:
  
  Privilege is maintained in Aotearoa New Zealand society by protecting a dominant, patriarchal world view for institutions and having funding structures that do not make institutions accountable for achieving equity.
  
  … and of course, structural racism, colonisation and that good old standby of white privilege.
  
  The committee members who put together this farrago of lies deserve to be utterly ridiculed. Sadly, they won’t be.
  
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  April 14, 2021 9:33pm
Fletch

Project Veritas caught a CNN technical director on video admitting that they created stories on Trump and his health etc based on nothing but speculation in order to get him out of office. James O’Keefe confronts him in a restaurant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDVQBYdKIw

Not so bold now, of course. He basically runs away. The media are scum.
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April 14, 2021 4:19pm
WaveyDavey

Would I be correct in assuming that the proposed counter-terrorism legislation would have caught the Urewera-however-many-it-was in its net given that general intent will be enough for conviction?
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April 14, 2021 4:56pm
MCos

You might like a break from grumping about the terrible state of God’s own country.
https://twitter.com/pamelaparesky/status/1381846371494416384?s=21
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April 14, 2021 5:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/experts-always-know-what-theyre-talking-about-and-never-make-mistakes-experts-confirm?
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April 14, 2021 6:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Strange, I was wrong. I thought ‘X’ was the unknown quantity, and a ‘spurt’ was a drip under pressure
  
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  April 14, 2021 6:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I am sure you have heard of him. No swearing this time (strange) Jonathan Pie on the vaccine that you lefties ALL want so bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bJEdcmpx98
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April 14, 2021 6:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So has Jaspinda given a yes or no, on if she has been vaccinated?
If yes, what vaccine.
If no, why not?
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April 14, 2021 6:59pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner’s not too keen on getting it either, Steve.
  
  Reckons that he’ll only line up for it once he’s hears Graham Hart’s had his.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  April 14, 2021 7:18pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Another example of how mendacious Google has become as it pushes (and covers for) left wing politics. Results for a US search on “riots today” on both Google and Duck Duck go: https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/1381801560498388998/photo/1

Don’t trust google, google is asshoe.
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