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Tony Stuart

Just for mikenmild’s benefit, here’s the link to Judith Collins’ speech this morning to another full house at the Central NI regional conference. All four conferences this month have had massive turnouts, most unusual for the year after an election. The party is in great heart.

She makes some excellent comments about the Budget, and about the cut to Police budgets:

It is easy to increase benefits – just sign the spending off; no delivery required. It’s so easy that even this Labour Government can do it. Perfect for a Finance Minister, Deputy Prime Minister, Infrastructure Minister, and, of course, the Minister in charge of Implementation, who clearly doesn’t trust his fellow Ministers to deliver on anything.

National believes that investing to get Kiwis off benefits, into work, and give them more control over their own lives is a better way forward. It is hard to grow an economy, create jobs, and develop support services but we think it is actually worth the effort. And I trust our team to have the ability to deliver.

Speaking of trusting your team and valuing your team, it is clear this Government does not value Police and Corrections Officers. There is, actually, less than nothing in this Budget for law and order – $90 million was cut from the Police budget at a time when gang numbers are at a record high.

New Zealanders are feeling less safe in their communities, and violent crime is rising.

Corrections Minister Kelvin Davis has delivered on his promise to reduce prisoner numbers by 20 per cent but he hasn’t done that by cutting crime or improving rehabilitation. He has, instead, decided to just let criminals out early.

A reduction in prisoner numbers by letting criminals out early is not what people in Tauranga, Hamilton, Taupo, and, definitely not in my hometown of Matamata, want to see. This is why we have Simeon Brown running rings around Kelvin Davis and the Labour Police Minister Poto Williams.

Crime and gangs are a huge problem, and one that the Government won’t properly acknowledge. There has been a marked rise in gun crime and that is simply not acceptable. National does not make friends with gangs. We do not cuddle patched gang members. We do not give in to them. We are the party of law and order.

https://www.national.org.nz/speech-central-north-island-regional-conference-2021

And Collins has reiterated her and National’s opposition to Labour’s plans for separate systems for Maori, but with a positive sting in the tail:

Now, I do want to discuss with you the challenging conversations we have been having over the past month. I am disappointed by the Prime Minister’s refusal to engage with New Zealand on these issues in good faith. It can be hard to raise these topics, but I am not afraid of hard work. I am not afraid to tell people the truth.

And we cannot afford to be complacent about our rights and freedoms – our democracy. There can be no justification for eroding fair representation and equal rights for every person, regardless of the ideological reasons presented.

National is proud of the progress we made in Crown-Māori relations. We settled more Treaty claims than any government before, or since. These settlements meant iwi could invest in the future of their whānau, hapū, and their whenua. There is now a growing Māori economy.

We supported targeted solutions to social development challenges through initiatives like Whānau Ora, which this Government failed to give extra funding in the Budget by the way, and we did not settle for a one-size-fits-all model of working with iwi. We did not just throw up expensive alternative systems and create competition for resources. We worked directly with iwi on appropriate and bespoke solutions. National still backs that approach.

Yes, we do oppose the Māori Health Authority in the form that Labour has agreed to. We do oppose splitting Oranga Tamariki into a ‘Māori response and everyone else response’. We oppose the proposed water reforms being undertaken without full consultation with all New Zealanders. We will not accept separate justice and education systems based on ethnicity. National believes we are better together.

“National believes we are better together”. That’s a strong statement of position for the party, implying that Labour (and the Greens and Maori Party) believe we are better divided. Let’s see if the positive nature of Collins’ message gets reported.
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December 23, 2020 1:05pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I was channel surfing a few minutes ago.
  Caught the last 3 minutes of an interview with Judith Collins, on “face” tv.
  VERY respectful, allowed her to answer the questions, deliver National’s view of things and present Nations’ vision for the future and what they would do.
  Not holding my breath for TV1 or 3 to either show this or morph into a similar style.
  
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  May 23, 2021 2:09pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    http://ondemand.facetv.co.nz/watch.php?vid=c0670b8a0
    Watching the whole show…love the title.
    
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    May 23, 2021 2:13pm
mikenmildagain

Happy World Turtle Day!
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May 23, 2021 8:03am
- Prince
  
  Dear God, we can’t afford this.
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:44am
  - Akarak
    
    Robertson tells us that net debt will fall to 48% of GDP in 2034.
    Ardern promised in 2018 that NZ would achieve carbon neutrality by 2050.
    Bjorn Lomborg in his book ‘False Alarm’ tells us that NZ’s leading independent economic think tank has estimated just getting halfway to that target – cutting NZ’s emissions by 50% by 2050 – would cost at least $19 billion annually by that date. This represents more than what the government spends currently on our entire education and health care system.
    To quote Lomberg “this is only the cheapest cost of getting. halfway to Ardern’s target. Getting all the way will likely amount to more than $61 billion annually, or 16% of GDP by 2050. That is more than New Zealand spends today on social security, welfare, health, education, police, courts, defense, environment, and every other part of government combined.”
    Lomborg continues “New Zealanders will need to accept an escalating carbon tax equivalent to a gasoline tax of $8.33 per gallon. Even the 16% GDP cost relies on a fairy-tale assumption that every single policy will be enacted efficiently. Bearing in mind the evidence that costs double in the real world, it could be 32% or more.”
    Lomborg published ‘False Alarm’ in 2020, well in advance of last Thursday’s budget but close enough to be relevant.
    Should we be concerned?
    
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    May 23, 2021 12:07pm
    - kloyd0306
      
      Genuine question to the climate alarmists:
      What, exactly, is the connection between money (ours) and climate change.
      
      What, exactly, will those monies be spent on?
      
      If you can answer these questions, the please tell us by how much global temperatures will drop.
      
      I will be astonished if any climate alarmist has ANY answer because the whole claim is a scam.
      
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      May 23, 2021 3:08pm
- Harriet
  
  So how come we didn’t have Happy World Hare Day last week then Milky? 😎
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:56am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Needed someone hare-brained like you to promote iot?
    
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    May 23, 2021 12:42pm
- Sacha
  
  Hurrah!
  Turtles rejoice!
  
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  May 23, 2021 11:06am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I thought it was Harvey Milk day today? (…very disappointing effort mike)
  
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  May 23, 2021 11:20am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Is that like almond milk?
    
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    May 23, 2021 12:43pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  They’re not good eating and chicken is cheaper.
  Turtle soup–no go.
  
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  May 23, 2021 12:29pm
- kowtow
  
  Pull your head in.
  
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  May 23, 2021 1:10pm
- MCos
  
  It’s also Pentecost Sunday.
  Whether or not it’s a happy day, I don’t remember.
  
  Wednesday is Visakabucha day in Thailand. The temple my wife goes to celebrated today. Not much assimilating with Kiwi culture going on there!
  
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  May 23, 2021 1:25pm
- softail 1450
  
  MMA ,Even the turtle is quicker than a labour party promise coming to fruition.
  
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  May 23, 2021 3:33pm
CJames

Another firearms incident in Auckland. I am so glad the government confiscated all the dangerous weapons to make everyone safe. And with that, the flying pigs came by.
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May 23, 2021 8:20am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  As the government has not confiscated “all the dangerous weapons” and never promised to “make everyone safe”, I fear you have been misinformed.
  
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  May 23, 2021 8:22am
  - CJames
    
    I did the journalist’s trick of condensing text;
    “The Minister of Police has thanked around 33,000 firearms owners for helping make New Zealand a safer place by participating in the gun buyback.
    “When we started the buy-back and amnesty we had one objective, to make our country a safer place. We focused on the type of assault rifles, high-capacity firearms and military style semi-automatics used in the terror attack forty weeks ago, on 15 March. “”
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/gun-buyback-over-next-phase-underway
    And this was after Treasury advised them it wouldn’t avoid gun related deaths
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/treasury-advice-on-gun-buyback-little-evidence-it-will-avoid-gun-related-deaths/T5WEDONFV52SPOQFR2N4X4EA6E/
    
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    May 23, 2021 10:55am
  - Jack5
    
    Milky, you could be making money on contract as an international blog contrarian. ?
    
    The Rum Tum Tugger is a Curious Cat:
    If you offer him pheasant he would rather have grouse.
    If you put him in a house he would much prefer a flat,
    If you put him in a flat then he’d rather have a house.
    If you set him on a mouse then he only wants a rat,
    If you set him on a rat then he’d rather chase a mouse.
    Yes the Rum Tum Tugger is a Curious Cat –
    And there isn’t any call for me to shout it:
    For he will do
    As he do do
    And there’s no doing anything about it!”
    
    ― T.S. Eliot, Old Possum’s Book of Practical Cats
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:03am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Another great value for money policy brought to you by the marxist clown car pardy of soon to be Venezuela South.
  
  Anyone know how to say Venezuela in stone age?
  
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  May 23, 2021 8:28am
  - Blackbob
    
    Aotearoa?
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:23am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Fenesuela?
    
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    May 23, 2021 5:09pm
- igm
  
  Bet it was not one of those horrible responsible farmers who were the target of this Nash-driven bullshit leegislation.
  
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  May 23, 2021 8:31am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I thought Golriz now thinks it’s racist (or disproportionate Maori bashing) to talk about guns in a negative light
  
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  May 23, 2021 8:40am
- ABS4EVA
  
  The people using those Voted labour.
  They get to keep theirs.
  Yours get restricted or confiscated.
  
  It must be time for Jacinda to go to….
  Australia and demand clemency for Scum Bags.
  
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  May 23, 2021 9:52am
- doggone7
  
  The government didn’t confiscate all dangerous weapons or even try to do that.
  
  If they did they would have tried to confiscate all guns.
  
  Which would have been stupid. Like your conflating of that with the shooting in Otahuhu.
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:28am
  - lifesgood
    
    This moronic government confiscated guns from good law abiding citizens knowing full well the crims wouldn’t hand any in and, indeed even managed to steal some handed into police. You must be living in cloud cuckoo land if you can’t see that gun crimes have shot up since the great, shockingly wasteful, buy back scheme.
    
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    May 23, 2021 10:54am
    - Apropos of the Wet Snow
      
      To be fair, the cops just sat on their chuffs while gullible people willingly handed over their weapons. Hardly a confiscation, as that implies activity not passivity. The principle that “if you’ve done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to worry about” should apply just as much as between the State and the public as it does between the public and the State.
      
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      May 23, 2021 11:45am
      - Matt Long
        
        Threats and coercion are not the same as sitting on your chuff and they did make an example of one young family to ensure the east of us were kept in line.
        
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        May 23, 2021 12:08pm
  - Happychappy
    
    About the same as your mouth running
    away with stories on the Todd Barclay issue when you were demanding Bill Endlish resign and backing Winston Peter’s allegations.
    
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    May 23, 2021 4:06pm
  - Keith White
    
    doggone: Sheesh. There are no dangerous guns, only dangerous people. Just like there are no dangerous boots, fists, knives, feet, electrical jug cords, baseball bats, lengths of rebar, cars, bottles or axes – just the trash wielding them with evil intent on the unwary, the innocent and the unarmed.
    
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    May 23, 2021 6:23pm
I remember when

Is the Labour Party’s problem with the overseas worker visa that they no longer understand the manual worker.
Most of the party members appear to be varsity educated and see the manual worker as under qualified – someone in need of their help (mainly to get them into government).
In fact, they don’t even understand the labourer’s part in the economic system. Is there really any need for them?
In fact, they are only there to remind them of what happens if you apply yourself to education.
Someone to pity, and to feel better about getting others to help them.
Shovel ready – that sounds a bit hard on the hands!
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May 23, 2021 8:26am
- Blackbob
  
  The party of school teachers so only vaguely ‘varsity educated.
  
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  May 23, 2021 11:25am
Simon

Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield said once the Pfizer vaccine was approved for 12 to 15-year-olds, that group would be added to the programme and would be vaccinated by the end of the year.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018795364/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-to-teens-may-happen-at-schools-bloomfield

Sick fucks. Almost impossible for children to die from the Ro. If you want the Ro vax take it. If you are obese 80 years old with heart problems you probably should take the Ro vax. Dont force the vax experiment onto children.
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May 23, 2021 8:27am
- Paulus
  
  We are over 80 and have no idea when we will see the Vacc.
  I have all sorts of serious medical conditions as well.
  So save the Vacc I might not make it.
  DHB Have no idea either – it is the MOH not them apparently.
  
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  May 23, 2021 11:10am
  - Inandout
    
    Paulus, if you have had the winter flu injection you are halfway there. I was told it came in 4 strengths, the best concoction for over 65 and the weakest for babies.
    
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    May 23, 2021 2:40pm
- alwyn
  
  “If you are obese 80 years old with heart problems you probably should take the Ro vax”
  Well I’m not obese, and I’m only 76 but I do have some health problems.
  I would love to take the Covid 19 vaccine. The problem is that I can’t find any way of doing so. I tried to find something about their plans from the local DHB but all I was told that they were going to get advise people when they had sorted out their plans. What the hell is going on?
  
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  May 23, 2021 11:22am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Don’t force it on to the sick elder either. Let them finish their days in peace.
  Fear is the greatest killer.
  
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  May 23, 2021 12:33pm
KevO'Brien

Don’t you love them? How can anyone trust these people? Is COVID all a planned lock down control scheme? Where’s the medicine and science?

Now the CDC has changed their test rules to show vaccinated OK, others not.
https://off-guardian.org/2021/05/18/how-the-cdc-is-manipulating-data-to-prop-up-vaccine-effectiveness/
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May 23, 2021 8:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Socialist control
  
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  May 23, 2021 8:31am
- krazykiwi
  
  I posted on this recently. It is a continuing theme. Within an hour of Biden’s inauguration, WHO recommended the lowering of the Ct value for PCR test kits thereby helping ‘reduce’ Covid-19 case counts. The brazenness of it all! It’s like the masses no longer care, and are happy being manipulated.
  
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  May 23, 2021 8:43am
  - Steve Todd
    
    You would appear to be misinformed, kk.
    
    Extract from this Fact check: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-who-instructions-pcr-guidan-idUSKBN2A429W.
    
    “The WHO notice does not advise laboratories to reduce the cycle count in PCR tests. It advises laboratory professionals to use tests with the proper instructions to ensure accurate results.”
    
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    May 23, 2021 9:16am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Fact Checkers?
      Proxies for coverups.
      DIY is better and more reliable.
      
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      May 23, 2021 9:29am
      - Apropos of the Wet Snow
        
        fAcT cHeCkErS say …
        
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        May 23, 2021 9:35am
    - Opie
      
      Doesnt that mean the same thing? They were testing to 40 cycles (using incorrectly) so the who recomendation of using properly will mean a reduction to 25 cycles approx from memory?
      
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      May 23, 2021 9:59am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The “proper instructions” come from the CDC and WHO and vary with the politics of the day.
      
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      May 23, 2021 12:35pm
    - Inandout
      
      ST, I was told the fact check thing was disbanded after Biden was elected.
      
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      May 23, 2021 2:41pm
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  In the UK people are starting to collate all the cremation and funeral statistics in all towns and cities, and guess what, they are not up significantly from previous years…I mean they can ban autopsies (conveniently) but they cannot hide the bodies, or more importantly create bodies where they never existed.
  
  This thing is so obviously a globalist Marxist scam inflicted on the world by our globalist leaders, yet people still volunteer in their millions for the unpaid clinical trials (which ARE actually killing people in their thousands and possibly shedding an actual dangerous disease).
  
  Get with the picture folks, you are being scammed.
  
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  May 23, 2021 9:14am
  - MCos
    
    You can add up all the funerals you wants.
    Countries likes the UK, NZ, US know perfectly well how many people die each year and it’s a searchable public record.
    Here, for example, are lists of registered deaths in England & Wales.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/dvc1369/fig1/datadownload.xlsx
    
    Of course you may choose not to believe this info. That’s up to you.
    
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    May 23, 2021 1:49pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Man you people are gullible.
  
  The efficacy was demonstrated in robust clinical trials.
  
  Fucking lot of nonsense on that site you linked.
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:39am
  - kevn
    
    @doc…. How long did the robust clinical trials go for? I can’t find anything on the net.
    You seem to know.
    Share.
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:41am
    - Pharmachick
      
      Robust clinical trials go either until the a priori approved interim analysis is complete and shows efficacy and safety (after which it would be unethical to continue), or until the a priori length of time specified in the original protocol, then analyzed for efficacy and safety. There is no uniform time, and it very much depends on the outcome measures being used, including whether they are direct measures or proxy measures.
      
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      May 23, 2021 1:18pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        PS: you can find all the COVID vaccine clinical trials here (as well as drug trials), including their protocol designs, interim analyses etc:
        
        https://clinicaltrials.gov
        
        I don’t have time to go through and report back to you on each one, but if you’re really interested and not just baiting us, your answers are all there
        
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        May 23, 2021 1:38pm
      - kevn
        
        @Pharma.. Very good link, thank you. Interesting to see Invermectin trials.
        
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        May 23, 2021 3:28pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        So you’re happy with such an obscenely short period (months versus the usual years) for “conclusive safety data” using a technology that has never been utilised as a viral mitigant?
        
        None of the large multinationals I’ve worked for could ever have dreamed of such a streamlining of due process for any of the products they’ve brought to market in the last 30 years with the added indemnity bonus. Pfizer et al must be rubbing their hands at the money to be made.
        
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        May 23, 2021 3:51pm
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Former Pfizer Chief Scientist Michael Yeadon chimes in…
    
    ‘At the heart of the fraud not only on U.K. people but much of the world, every one of the main narrative points about the virus is a lie. No exceptions.
    
    While new, the virus is related to six other coronaviruses, four of which are endemic. So lots of prior immunity. It was never going to kill many, and only those v close to end of life.
    
    Asymptomatic transmission is a total lie. Masks are not necessary nor do they work.
    
    They’ve been tested & published work proves they have no impact on respiratory virus transmission. Lockdown doesn’t do anything because almost all transmission occurred in institutions, so they smashed the economy & civil society for nothing.
    
    PCR testing is a joke, done as it is, with no definition of false positive rate, way too high a number of cycles, a variable number of probe / primer pairs & no normalising for amount of genetic material in the samples. They used inexperienced staff & generated massive cross contamination. Ignore it all. The ridiculous “within 28 days of a positive test” rule was novel & greatly exaggerated claimed numbers of covid deaths.
    
    Variants are almost identical to the original
    sequence. 0.3% drift in 17 months is irrelevant, you won’t need top up vaccines for a half century at this rate.
    
    Literally nothing is true.
    
    I infer that VaxPass is the near term goal and that’s totalitarian tyranny.
    
    The end goal is to order us all to accept top up
    vaccines which will kill billions Ignore if you wish,
    
    I cannot save you.
    
    This is my 40th year of studying and applying biological sciences in the service of understanding and treating human disease. I’m the only senior ex big pharmaceutical company staffer speaking out anywhere in the world as far as I can tell.
    
    I’m an ordinary citizen with solid science skills & intolerant attitude to injustice
    
    That’s all
    
    My life is over. will never regain full freedom So I’m going to march toward the guns Fuck all those criminals
    
    They need to be at Nuremberg 2.0’
    
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    May 23, 2021 7:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just for those with severe TDS.
https://threepercenternation.com/2021/05/22/liberals-panic-as-trumps-path-back-to-the-white-house-is-becoming-clearer-2/?
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May 23, 2021 8:30am
- Apropos of the Wet Snow
  
  They’ll just steal it again no matter how popular Trump or anyone else is. Given that none of the concerns expressed by 80% of Trump’s (at minimum) 75M voters have been effectively addressed, I don’t see any reason to think that voting will have any effect on future outcomes.
  
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  May 23, 2021 8:48am
- Monique Watson
  
  Steve No-one cares about Trump and that site is just click bait. Try this:
  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-05-21/maricopa-county-arizona-presidential-trump-recount?_amp=true
  
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  May 23, 2021 9:47am
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    Keep telling yourself that Monique. “Crazy” and “wacky” recount? Weren’t these people at the LA Times part of the noble collective campaign to “fortify democracy” by ensuring the “correct” result eventuated? If they are, their actions seem entirely incommensurate to that quest.
    
    Besides, this from a publication in a state wherein the population is falling for the first time since 1901 due in large part to factors like excrement on the street that is the direct result of the policies of the “fortifiers of democracy.”
    
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    May 23, 2021 10:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Over 70 million care
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:27am
    - doggone7
      
      320 million – 70 million = 250 million care enough to not want Trump?
      
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      May 23, 2021 12:20pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The GOP is pretty invested in minority rule.
        
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        May 23, 2021 12:46pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        18 is the voting age in the States, so 320M is wrong. Children can’t vote – or hey, maybe they do, for the Democrats???
        
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        May 23, 2021 2:33pm
Happychappy

Hospital emergency departments teetering on Crisis point.
So the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and the Labour Party have been making False allegations like the nine years of neglect and underfunding is just another lie that they have been caught out on.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/hospital-emergency-departments-teetering-crisis-point
It has been successive Governments that have caused this ,so Labour should confession to their neglect also.
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May 23, 2021 8:31am
- oldfella
  
  Happy, if our hospital emergency departments are really teetering on crisis point without covid, what happens if we get a serious outbreak?
  We’d all be buggered, and it could even kill some of those 80k Kiwis Cindy saved. /s
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:52am
- MCos
  
  I went to the doctor on Friday. It cost $19 + $10 to get a thingey on my skin zapped + $10 for medication.
  It’s $19 because I’m registered to the clinic and I didn’t go after hours. Otherwise it’s about $70.
  A & E is free.
  The doctor told me some people put it off, put it off, because they’re either scared to find out what’s wrong or they ain’t got the do re me. He said he sees people who are consequently really crook.
  I was walking down the street near here one day & saw a gang of street workers. One of them was maybe 60 and was so ill he couldn’t work. He was leaning on a car for support.
  What compels someone to go to work for minimal renumeration in that pitiful state?
  We supposedly live in caring society.
  
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  May 23, 2021 2:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Crazy Democrats. Address climate change by reducing meat intake by 90% by 2030. Like that will work, 4 pounds of meat per year!
https://independentminute.com/2021/05/22/donald-trump-jr-just-went-nuclear-on-bidens-hateful-team/?
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May 23, 2021 8:42am
- RichardX
  
  Steve;
  The daily dose of confirmation bias that spams your inbox and which you then post here, appears to have a particularly bitter flavour.
  Maybe you should consider widening your sources.
  
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  May 23, 2021 9:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Use your scroll
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Anyway Dick, DILLIGAF
    
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    May 23, 2021 2:34pm
    - RichardX
      
      SO(NS), you replied twice hours apart, so yes…it does look like you give a fuck.
      
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      May 23, 2021 4:58pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  What do you expect from MEAT HEAD Socialists
  
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  May 23, 2021 9:53am
- Doc Holliday
  
  Why don’t you read tea leaves and leave conceptual stuff to rational educated people?
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:42am
- Sacha
  
  So what happens to all the animals that will die of old age?
  Will they be buried? And where?
  Who will volunteer? Self-driven EV diggers?
  It will be pretty pongy for a year or two.
  
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  May 23, 2021 11:13am
TWEEDSE

This may be old news for some but it is amazing how the CDC are skewing infection rates for vaccinated people to “show” the benefit by changing reporting criteria and CT cycle threshold’s. The article below is worth a read with the information quoted coming from the CDC but here is an example from the article of the dishonesty of CDC and how the new criteria effect reporting of Covid cases for vaccinated as opposed to non-vaccinated.

“Person A has not been vaccinated. They test positive for Covid using a PCR test at 40 cycles and, despite having no symptoms, they are officially a “covid case”.

Person B has been vaccinated. They test positive at 28 cycles, and spend six weeks bedridden with a high fever. Because they never went into a hospital and didn’t die they are NOT a Covid case.

Person C, who was also vaccinated, did die. After weeks in hospital with a high fever and respiratory problems. Only their positive PCR test was 29 cycles, so they’re not officially a Covid case either.”

https://off-guardian.org/2021/05/18/how-the-cdc-is-manipulating-data-to-prop-up-vaccine-effectiveness/
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May 23, 2021 8:51am
- Doc Holliday
  
  Crap. Vaccination will stop you becoming seriously ill and dying.
  
  If the efficacy is 95% it means 95% of the subjects who became infected and ill had not had the vaccination.
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:44am
  - CJames
    
    You can’t even get that right Doc.
    95% Vaccine efficacy means a 95% reduction in new cases of the disease in the vaccine group compared with the placebo group. This is under lab conditions. It is not the effectiveness.
    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/what-is-vaccine-efficacy
    The vaccination means you don’t get it (you aren’t a new case), not how serious the case is.
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:06am
    - Apropos of the Wet Snow
      
      Even if there was a more than negligible chance of me and most of us being in any significant way negatively affected by contracting Covid (which the mortality rate of infected individuals indicates), the fundamental point is that it is not within the government’s purview to protect me from myself. The logical conclusion if this were the case would be for the immediate and indefinite incarceration of us all.
      
      Get your vaccine and/or wear your mask if you really want to, but what does that have to do with me? If people do the above based on the claimed efficacy, I cannot see any reason at all why anyone else should be concerned about their contracting Covid from non-mask wearers or the unvaccinated. If both or either measures work, then what is the worry?
      
      If you sit down and consider this logic in a disinterested manner, then the further logical conclusion you will reach is that none of this is about Covid-19 in itself. It’s just a pretext for the already decided encroachment on our liberty and the alteration of the social and economic order, all of which benefits people in power, and none of which benefits the rest of us. Many people naively assume beneficent motives, perhaps because the psychological ramifications of acknowledging the alternative, but that is simply an assumption based on very little. There hasn’t been a dictator or an authoritarian or an oligarchy in history who has not claimed pure motives.
      
      I challenge anyone to find a flaw in this analysis, but I expect abuse and name-calling at most.
      
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      May 23, 2021 12:24pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      Piffle. It’s a clinical trial, not lab.
      
      Take my explanation up with Sir David John Spiegelhalter FRS.
      
      Your understanding is as clueless as your climate science denial, buddy.
      
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      May 23, 2021 12:49pm
      - CJames
        
        I go on what is published just like the in the Medical Journals. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00075-X/fulltext
        And I note your expert has had to change his opinion a lot.
        https://www.ft.com/content/74346367-3d07-40de-a669-2410c8917b12
        But then your latching onto unknown articles by confirmation bias just shows you have little comprehension skills..
        
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        May 23, 2021 3:39pm
      - CJames
        
        This seems to be what Spiegelhalter wrote: “In the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine trial, there were eight cases in the 22,000 people who got the real vaccine. (So in the trial the risk of getting ill, if you were vaccinated, was only around 8/22,000 = 0.04%.) This compares with 162 cases in the 22,000 people who got the dummy vaccine. Researchers allocated people at random, so we can be sure the vaccine caused this difference. Since 8/162 = 5%, we estimate the efficacy of the vaccine as 95%, but there is some uncertainty around these estimates. The Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine has an estimated efficacy of 70% for stopping symptomatic disease (30 v 101 cases).”
        https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jan/24/behind-the-numbers-what-does-it-mean-if-covid-vaccine-has-90-per-cent-eifficacy
        Doc wrote “If the efficacy is 95% it means 95% of the subjects who became infected and ill had not had the vaccination”
        Now anyone with more than School Cert English will tell you they are not the same thing. So either Doc is incompetent and can’t paraphrase simple words, or he just out and out lies, like his Climate heroes. My pick is it’s the latter.
        
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        May 23, 2021 5:25pm
  - TWEEDSE
    
    Thanks for your thoroughly researched response Doc. Are you saying that CDC’s changed criteria for reinfection of vaccinated, which results in lower recorded break through infection, is crap?
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:08am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The COVID jab is not a vaccine as previously known. It causes us to make spike proteins which can interfere with many organs.
    
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    May 23, 2021 12:42pm
    - Keith White
      
      Interesting in a weird way that this simple statement by Kev, attracts so many downticks.
      
      – The Pfizer injection is not a traditional vaccine. mRNA is a brand new approach. Never previously successfully tested in a large population, let alone across the entire world.
      – The Pfizer injection modifies each cell in the body by stimulating it to produce a novel, additional spike protein; analogous to that of the WuFlu.
      – The mode of action is therefore via cellular-level modification (but not genetic / DNA modification).
      – The risk is that now each and every cell has a permanent new spike protein attached, a novel virus or a variant of the XiPox may identify that spike protein as something to specifically target and direct the body’s immune systems to react to.
      – A parallel risk is that the new spike protein generates, even without any new WuPox variant, an exaggerated and dangerous autoimmune response from the body’s defenses.
      
      There are good reasons why for many, many decades both successful and safe Phase III Trials on tens of thousands had to be conducted and analyzed and truthfully reported on, before bringing traditional vaccines to market.
      
      Time will tell. If all the “smart experts” like Fauci and Hendy and Bloomfield got this wrong, the consequences will be… life-changing.
      
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      May 23, 2021 7:48pm
I Hate Wordpress

We always get negative stats on Maori and colonisation gets blamed, well I’d like to see stats broken down by urbanised vs non-urbanised Maori – I’d wager those who deign to join the rest of us in “colonised society” are actually doing better than the rest of us.
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May 23, 2021 8:51am
Justitia

Helen Clark refused to sign the Cuban-drafted UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples because it would establish two classes of citizenship in New Zealand, as well as upending the Treaty settlement process. But Jacinda Ardern is implementing it by stealth under He Puapua. She clearly has no difficulty with deliberately turning the great majority of New Zealanders into second class citizens in their own country. That is chilling.
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May 23, 2021 8:57am
- Doc Holliday
  
  Didn’t Key sign it?
  
  Try again. Remember if at first you don’t succeed skydiving is not for you.
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:47am
  - RockyJ
    
    You know very well that it is non-binding and it was on that basis that Pita Sharples signed. Jacinda’s claim that they are only implementing what National began is a blatant lie
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:03am
    - Paulus
      
      Cindy has become an expert in the art of lying as we now continually see and her media report all as truth because she says so.
      Sadly she will fall and fall hard sooner than later.
      
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      May 23, 2021 1:48pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Some people shouldn’t fly either
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=idMa4a6eA9M
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:18am
- cas
  
  Would separate systems with 15% of the money commensurate with the population breakdown help?
  
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  May 23, 2021 11:00am
  - rouppe
    
    No because the 15% would want access to all the remaining 85% as well.
    
    That is the Maori Health Authority model anyway…
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:24am
SpencerArnold

It seems to me that if Maori want to create their own health system, and have political wards dedicated to them, then perhaps they should stand on their own feet economically as well, by having NZ’ers who disagree with the skewed state of affairs boycotting any iwi-based businesses or their associates (sort of a home-grown BDS)?
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May 23, 2021 8:58am
Inandout

I am trying to keep an open mind on the virus origins but certain things aren’t straight up apparently:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/chinese-virologist-government-intentionally-coronavirus
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May 23, 2021 9:22am
lastmanstanding

The Chairman of the BBC ( I call it the Bastard Broadcasting Corporation have resigned ( been fired) over the Diana affair. Like TVNZ and Red Radio it has for decades been the mouth piece for Communists and Socialists. It is a conservative free zone. Only one side of any issue is aired. Take the latest Middle East troubles. All we saw from them was the Palenstenian side. The Israels were portrayed as the agressors despite that Hammas launched a rocket attack on Israel using Iranian weapons.
This is just one example of the Woke biased left wing reporting of the media these days.
I view them as a comedy show to get my daily dose of laughs. Not to get the news.
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May 23, 2021 9:40am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And I read where ‘Michael Jackson’ fans are now demanding an inquiry into his interview with Martin Bashir.
  
  Do they have a case?
  
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  May 23, 2021 9:56am
  - Lance
    
    I do remember Michael Jackson saying it was mostly lies with extreme exaggerations and that Basheer had backed stabbed him, making out he was on his side all the time.
    Not sure about any of that but interesting common theme running through this.
    
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    May 23, 2021 2:01pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      This was my fave take from the Bashir interview with Michael…..
      
      https://youtu.be/AbzFdFVdDDM
      
      We’ve got a yuge Pohutakawa in our front yard which my partner sits in when I upset him.
      
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      May 23, 2021 2:15pm
- Sofia
  
  Between 10-18 May, during the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis, more than 3,440 rockets were fired toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and other communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90% of the rockets heading toward populated areas were intercepted by the Iron Dome. About a third fell inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others fell in open fields – https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinian-rocket-and-mortar-attacks-against-israel
  
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  May 23, 2021 9:57am
  - G152
    
    Next rocket fired should be answered by Gaza being cleared of all people
    
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    May 23, 2021 10:55am
    - Mike
      
      Mass murder, or just removal?
      
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      May 23, 2021 11:57am
  - Lance
    
    Oh no… wee Jack Tame said they were just little more than homemade rockets………. and we all know Jack is the font of truth..
    /sarc/
    
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    May 23, 2021 2:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Current Chairman of the BBC is Richard Sharp.
  He took over in Feb 2021…. He has not resigned.
  
  A previous Chairman of the BBC – Lord Hall – has just resigned from the Board of the National Gallery.
  
  He was involved in the cover-up of Martin Bashir’s Fraud and Lies
  https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/may/22/ex-bbc-director-general-lord-hall-resigns-as-national-gallery-chair-martin-bashir-diana-interview
  
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  May 23, 2021 9:58am
  - alwyn
    
    I would also suggest that they remove “Lord” Hall’s life peerage. He would hardly seem to be qualified for the honour after what has come out about his behaviour?
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:32am
- Doc Holliday
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Any normally intelligent views the BBC as the world standard in balanced reporting. Not perfect but not unhinged.
  
  Just you sad fuckers feed on conspiracies.
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:50am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I guess that’s why their star interviewer, Andrew Marr, is starting up in opposition because he is sick of their bias.
    
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gb-news-is-britains-newest-current-affairs-channel-but-most-backers-are-based-abroad-vjrtwbvtq
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:18am
    - Doc Holliday
      
      Is that the Times owned by the poisonous dwarf Murdoch?
      
      Ha ha ha, the PhD chemist who knows more science than the American Chemical Society strikes a chord with the loonies.
      
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      May 23, 2021 12:57pm
  - TWEEDSE
    
    Another great piece of research Doc. Have you ever worked in the BBC and experienced the way the culture changed from the last century to now?
    
    I have, and your quite simply wrong.
    
    The current BBC is a left/woke shambles. The only similarity to earlier days of quality reporting is in the name only.
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:20am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Don’t cite the BBC on global warming. They’ve lost reason.
    
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    May 23, 2021 12:46pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      Yeah, don’t let facts get in the way of mad conspiracy theories.
      
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      May 23, 2021 12:55pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        What conspiracy theories? I make my own conclusions. Once the BBC were first class, now they take positions. That’s not news that’s activism.
        
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        May 23, 2021 5:19pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Robbo is planning a social insurance crap which will be paid by a levy. Brace for another 2-3% of tax and all the income protection insurance which you have taken now and claiming expenses on the premium gone out of the window.
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May 23, 2021 9:43am
- Prince
  
  Question, will the ‘levy tax’ be applied to Superannuation payments and main benefits ?
  My 96 year old mother is unlikely to be made redundant.
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:57am
- Paulus
  
  Assume new Social Income Tax (Levy) to be paid by the employer’s gross staff wages and adjusted upwards as arranged by the Unions each year.
  Similar to Annett King’s 3% Health Tax (Levy) some years ago, which fizzled when National took over.
  
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  May 23, 2021 11:18am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It will never come to pass. Robbo is out of his depth.
  
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  May 23, 2021 12:47pm
  - H. Upmann
    
    Kev: being out of his depth has not stopped him over the past 4 years.
    
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    May 23, 2021 1:40pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      He doesn’t have the understanding to implement such changes. I suspect he got bigger headed having picked up defacto control of the Reserve Bank. This would enlarge his money box immensely. However it would affect many other higher income earners already in insurance schemes who would feel the pinch. He may try to tough it out before they all pack up to exit for Aus.
      Like CGT I suspect this is in the too hard bin. (It certainly is technically with the complex, reasonable, integrated system we already have.)
      Aren’t Maori going to need their personal variant too?
      
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      May 23, 2021 5:27pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        The most amazing thing about Robber Robbo is that how did such a stupid bastard end up with so much power to take money off the populace and spray it around?
        Something is wrong with the system.
        
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        May 23, 2021 8:10pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  High earners will be taxed, but not paid
  
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  May 23, 2021 1:10pm
- kowtow
  
  Yer , and will the long term generational “unemployed” ever pay into any “insurance” scheme to keep them in the lifestyle to which the tax/levy payer is forced to fund them?
  
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  May 23, 2021 1:42pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Once it was called “social security income tax” and charged at 7 1/2 %. That got merged into the PAYE.
    Those not presently in work would have to have the State pay their premiums.
    We have traversed all this before. That is how we we have come to the present system.
    Benefits are not limitless and equity between those contributing to the work pool and hence indirectly paying for others support has to be preserved. Forgetting that principle could take benefits skywards and net taxpayers elsewhere. The payments also create demand and may cause price inflation and other economic concerns.
    
    NZ has an enviable system. It is economical to operate and anyone below pension age who is unable to work through disability or lack of opportunity is supported. The means tested supplementary allowances are generous too. These including child support are effectively paid weekly through WINZ and IRD acting jointly.
    
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    May 23, 2021 5:48pm
Maggie Pie

Just been chatting with my partner’s mum on speaker-phone while driving home from Mass. She was telling me earlier this morning, she caught ZB talk-host ‘Jim Sutton’ saying…. “The reason Jacinda hasn’t had her jab yet is because she’s pregnant”

Anyone else heard this? I’m about to txt the girls at tennis to see if any of them know anything about it.
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May 23, 2021 9:50am
- 3-coil
  
  Maggie: the discussion I heard down in Welly recently was that she is an anti-vaxxer! ?
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:05am
- Steve Todd
  
  Hmm. Doubtful, Maggie.
  
  I remember seeing on the box, some time ago now, Jacinda saying she’ll get the jab when it’s her turn. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:08am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    But would the PM not be considered an ‘essential worker’, Steve?
    
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    May 23, 2021 10:15am
    - Steve Todd
      
      ’Fraid not, Maggie. If she falls over, someone will pop up in her place, and life will go on. Such is the way of the world.
      
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      May 23, 2021 10:20am
      - Hedgehog
        
        Fraid not, Steve. She falls over, the Labour party falls over. And when do Labour work for the whole country rather than their voter base. Ipso facto, she is essential.
        
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        May 23, 2021 10:38am
      - Steve Todd
        
        She falls over, the Labour party falls over.
        
        But not until at least Saturday, 23 September 2023. In the meantime, life goes on, just as it did between 1 September 1974 and 29 November 1975.
        
        I took an overview; you took a cynical view.
        
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        May 23, 2021 11:01am
      - Hedgehog
        
        No Steve, I took a practical view. Labour has an abysmal success rate on everything other than spin. Without the “love of Jacinda” the blinkers would fall of the media and the general public.
        
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        May 23, 2021 11:31am
  - 3-coil
    
    Steve Todd – curiously the NZ Media don’t seem keen to publicise the MPs who have been vaccinated though, I thought Jacinda would’ve been front of the queue??
    Jacinda would have to be the top VIP leader in Aotearoa who should be safeguarded from the COVID with her jab! After all it was Saint Jacinda who saved the lives of 80,000 Aotearotians! We need continuation of her immaculate leadership to keep us all safe.
    Why is she not leading by example? TV advertisements (especially free-to-air) showing Jacinda’s jabbing should be flooding the country to help the citizens who are scared of this tricky and evil COVID know what they must do: follow their leader!
    Remember, it’s “vaccinate to protect yourself and others”. Jacinda must think of the others at this crucial time, her followers who are wobbling, and she must take her jabbing, in public, ASAP.
    
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    May 23, 2021 10:48am
    - Steve Todd
      
      […], and she must take her jabbing, in public, ASAP.
      
      And no doubt she will, when it’s her turn.
      
      If she got her first jab this week (during recess), I can see the reaction on Kiwiblog now— Jacinda jumps the queue; heartless PM pushes in ahead of our seniors, those with medical issues, etc., etc, ad nauseam.
      
      There are only three things in life we can be certain of; one of them is: Our Jacinda will not be playing into the hands of Kiwibloggers.
      
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      May 23, 2021 11:18am
    - Nickc2
      
      Sorry 3-coil. While your post may be well worth reading, you lost me at your first mention of that mythical place called Aotearoa.
      
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      May 23, 2021 11:52am
      - oldfella
        
        Nick, I did read it and liked 3-coil’s expression ‘Aotearotians’ which I’ve never see before, and suggested he was taking the piss. Yes?
        
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        May 23, 2021 12:27pm
      - 3-coil
        
        Yeah sorry Nickc2 – should’ve added “//sarc” (is that it?)
        
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        May 23, 2021 2:05pm
  - alwyn
    
    She very quickly changed her mind about that.
    She came out with a further statement that she wasn’t going to wait till the middle of the year.
    Well the middle of the year is only 5 weeks away, isn’t it?
    I would be very surprised if she hasn’t had it already.
    She isn’t a mere pleb you know.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/02/covid-19-jacinda-ardern-plans-to-get-the-vaccine-before-public.html
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:38am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Thanks for the update, alwyn. I guess we now sit back and wait for the big day.
      
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      May 23, 2021 12:08pm
- Bill Felt
  
  I would suggest that by looking at her she is not healthy enough to be pregnant. Watch her next to Robertson in parliament giving the Budget speech and you can see that she does not look at all well.
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:13am
  - Paulus
    
    [Not on KB, stick to policies. Mod]
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:22am
    - Paulus
      
      Sorry !
      Will stick to policies.
      
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      May 23, 2021 1:52pm
  - jon
    
    Robertson will be hoping Cindy is pregnant as he would get his only chance of being PM allbeit Acting when she take maternity leave.
    
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    May 23, 2021 8:12pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Maggie, we keep hearing about your regular attendance at Mass but we haven’t heard any reports from your workplace for ages.
  Have you retired?
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:17am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    After the best part of 25 years at the ‘coalface’ Cap, I moved on to a ‘part-time contract’ last year and am now employed in a highly confidential admin role. Part of the agreement for those in our team means we are unable to discuss any aspects of our involvement outside of the workplace.
    
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    May 23, 2021 10:32am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Let me guess; you now work for the SIS. Yes! That must be it. That’s really why you’re so well-informed. The ‘girls at tennis’ is just a cover.
      
      Sorry, Maggie, but I think you’ve been sprung!
      
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      May 23, 2021 10:42am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        KFC – notoriously secretive on the admin side.
        
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        May 23, 2021 12:51pm
    - Inandout
      
      Maggie, sounds like you work for Phil Goff’s team in the spending dept; highly confidential.
      
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      May 23, 2021 12:45pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Jacinda last week said she will definitely get the jab before July.
  
  She has probably decided to not be a heavily pregnant bride and has now run out of time. 2022/2023 looking good though.
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:21am
  - TWEEDSE
    
    When she says “definitely” is she being too definitive?
    
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    May 24, 2021 6:21am
- MCos
  
  How many Jim Sutton’s are there?
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:30am
  - Doc Holliday
    
    I don’t know but he’s collecting apostrophes.
    
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    May 23, 2021 10:53am
- lifesgood
  
  Not sure…it’s been a few months she has avoided the jab and there’s no sign of a preggers tum yet.
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:34am
- nathie
  
  Well she famously brought packets of biscuits to coalition discussions with Winston back in 2017 when she was pregnant.
  
  Last week she was spotted with a couple of dozen cheese rolls on a plate:
  
  https://www.facebook.com/NZLabourParty/photos/pcb.10158360928126452/10158360928066452/
  
  Preggers again? Or managed to score Roberston’s & Wood’s morning tea perhaps? 😉
  
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  May 23, 2021 11:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She will get the jab when she and the media need a diversion.
  Lights, action, camera
  
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  May 23, 2021 2:36pm
Observer of Life

Maggie P: I don’t know who you are, but you always make my day. Don’t ever change! ?
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May 23, 2021 10:04am
kevn

@Maggie… cindy may be planning to have another so needs to be jab free.
Is that precaution well known?
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May 23, 2021 10:04am
Nickc2

I made a post to that effect a few weeks ago while she was on holiday in Gisborne.
It would appear that she is now trying to legitimize her family with a wedding. I wish she would try to legitimize NZ and give us back our democracy.
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May 23, 2021 10:11am
DeepBlue

Practically, July is a good time for Jacinda as we’ll need all the vaccines in the Country for the stampede of followers.
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May 23, 2021 10:23am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Green Thing. Careful you TDS freaks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xAXDKfvaKo
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May 23, 2021 10:23am
- David George
  
  Haha Steve, very good. Loved the Pelosi avatar.
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:59am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If you wear two bathing suits, it is safe to pee in the pool – Anthony Fauci
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May 23, 2021 10:26am
- Doc Holliday
  
  Spaffing up the wall and spraying yourself?
  
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  May 23, 2021 10:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No sense of humour, or never had one?
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:35am
    - Mike
      
      My guess is you never had one
      
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      May 23, 2021 11:55am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lS1TG4IVKo
Panic As Chinese Skyscraper Wobbles!

People flee in panic as a 1000 ft tall Chinese skyscraper in Shenzhen China wobbles. It comes a week after a Chinese glass bridge shattered. A crackdown on cryptocurrency in China causes a Bitcoin crash. And the US says China is unwilling to join nuclear talks. That and more on this week’s China news headlines.
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May 23, 2021 10:43am
curry4me

https://news.yahoo.com/georgia-judge-allow-fulton-county-204929264.html

A Georgia judge will allow Fulton County ballots to be unsealed and examined for evidence of fraud

• A Georgia judge will allow absentee ballots from the 2020 election to be unsealed for an audit.
• Judge Brian Amero on Friday agreed to open 145,000 absentee ballots from Fulton County.
[All claims of election fraud are baseless. Joe Biden, and the MSM said so. /sarc]
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May 23, 2021 10:44am
MCos

How do you know when a bloke has a checkered background?
Sometimes it’s written all over his face.
https://twitter.com/caffeine_addict/status/1396073094041653251?s=21
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May 23, 2021 10:46am
BeeJay

What a great lineup on the Panel this morning on the Tame Show, discussing the Budget!
Tau Henare – greatest Budget ever, $1billion for Maori Housing, move Auckland Port to Northland.
Anjun Rahman- disappointing for our people (not sure whose people she was referring to?), no rent freeze! Say what?
Russell Norman – not enough spent on Climate change, need more cycle lanes and less motorways! FFS!
Where was a balanced view? The need for growth in the economy, creation of jobs, general stimulus of the economy?
Classic show for the Labour TV Channel, preaching exactly what they want the sheeple to hear!
The only positive in an otherwise wasted 60mins, David Seymour on Education, teachers and why education needs to improve.
Biggest laugh – local Maori at Mahia believe that they should now have more involvement with Rocket Lab and their use of the Maori land, irrespective of the benefits that Rocket Lab has brought to the region, and the agreements already in place with the whanau! Maybe the locals understand that listing on NASDAC means more money coming from somewhere?
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May 23, 2021 10:49am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  TVNZ uses the excuse that since Tau was a National MP some time ago, he is therefore of the right. It would be fair to say the Tau struggled to be within the tent of the National caucus. By that I mean that Tau simply didn’t comfortably fit within overall philosophy of National.
  
  His true political positioning is both left (maybe centre-left) and Maori nationalist, which is now clearly evident in his chairmanship of the Auckland City Maori Committee.
  
  TVNZ knows this, so for them to purport that Tau was representing the right was frankly ridiculous.
  
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  May 23, 2021 11:16am
- SmokerGuy
  
  I agree re the panel. That lady suggesting a rule where people can only own a max of 3 properties. How fucking absurd, how can these people be allowed anywhere near a TV program??? I actually sent a message of complaint this morning about their panel. Viewers deserve better!
  
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  May 23, 2021 11:21am
  - Inandout
    
    SG, 3 properties limit would leave Helen exposed.
    
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    May 23, 2021 12:52pm
  - Unity
    
    Well done SmokerGuy. More people should complain. The bias shown towards Labour and anti National is so plain to see, whereas they should promote more of a neutral stance. I’ve complained several times and also about the constant use of Maori. It would be nice to just have plain English. I’m actually sick and tired of the word ‘Maori’ as it appears in everything constantly.
    
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    May 23, 2021 1:36pm
- Jack5
  
  Maori at Mahia …
  
  “Rocket Lab is also testament to the wonderful place New Zealand is to do business. Businesses can start, and thrive, in a lightly regulated, yet largely corruption free environment. It’s a huge competitive advantage for New Zealand. “
  
  – Sam Stubbs, Stuff, March 5, 2021
  
  In the Apar-tearoa that Ardern is creating, foreign investors will need to hire teams of indigenous advisers and pay rent to tribes.
  
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  May 23, 2021 11:25am
  - Jack5
    
    The media could be keeping us better informed on the transition of Rocket Lab into a listed company on the American exchange Nasdaq.
    
    On March 1 Rocket Lab was merged into an American SPAC (special purpose acquisition company), Vector Acquisition Company.
    
    This will change its name to Rocket Lab Inc, of which the NZ firm, Rocket Lab Ltd, will be a subsidiary.
    
    The transaction is to be completed by the second quarter of the year (presumably next month, June).
    
    Then shares in Rocket Lab Inc will trade on Nasdaq. On this American exchange, shares trade in about 3000 companies, including the tech giants Apple, Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Amazon, and Intel.
    
    Where to keep up to date on Rocket Lab:
    
    https://www.rocketlabusa.com/
    
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    May 23, 2021 11:53am
- kevn
  
  @BeeJay… Yep, time to rattle their tin now Rocket Lab is cranking along.
  Transparent motives.
  
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  May 23, 2021 11:43am
- doggone7
  
  Did the ‘only positive,’ David Seymour explain why they no longer have an education policy on their party site but have one for ‘The World’s Best Firearms Laws’?
  
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  May 23, 2021 12:27pm
- Unity
  
  Re Rocket Lab and Maori now wanting more involvement. So typical. When things start to look up they want a part of it. It’s like ‘gimmee, gimmee, gimmee! That seems to be what they stand for. When will people wake up to their methodology?
  
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  May 23, 2021 1:33pm
Maggie Pie

We were watching Aljaz reports last night on the number of deaths suffered by both sides in the latest Israeli \ Palestine conflict.

My partner did a quick calculation in his head and reckoned…. if the Jews had been able to retaliate during WW2 in the same way they do now, we would have seen about 120 million Germans killed.

Amazing just how much things have changed.
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May 23, 2021 10:55am
- Jack5
  
  They would have had to dig up some Germans and kill thee over again, Maggie.
  
  Germany’s population 1939 (including Germans in occupied territory and some Aryan-looking Slavs): about 86 million or 87 million people.
  
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  May 23, 2021 12:43pm
- Fletch
  
  Also, what the media won’t tell you is that out of the 230 Palestinians killed, 160 were militants. and 17 were killed by Hamas rockets falling short and killing their own citizens.
  
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  May 23, 2021 12:46pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    So the Israelis only killed 50 innocent civilians?
    
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    May 23, 2021 12:53pm
    - mandk
      
      I don’t think you understand the concept of culpability, mma.
      
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      May 23, 2021 1:36pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Dead babies are not usually regarded as culpable.
        
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        May 23, 2021 1:59pm
    - Lance
      
      Mike.. simple question. With 3500 rockets fired at Israel, did Israel have the right to shoot back?
      
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      May 23, 2021 2:12pm
      - MCos
        
        There’s nothing simple about that conflict.
        
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        May 23, 2021 3:44pm
oldfella

Oh Shut Up. It’s Just Food.
We live in an interesting era in which food selection can actually define you as a person. It shouldn’t, but if you’re looking for significance or purpose, it’s an easy way to feel like you’ve found it.
Those who make their diet a part of their identity will defend any perceived attack on it. All extreme diet groups have a large number of these “diet as identity” members. Keto and veganism are the two most represented. By their nature, diets based on exclusion (exclusion of certain food groups or nutrients) attract more extreme people who are more likely to build their eating styles into who they are.
https://www.t-nation.com/alpha-life/its-just-food-diets-identity/
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May 23, 2021 11:09am
Alan Wilkinson

Was talking to a long-time small business shop owner yesterday who said she is now closing on Sundays as she and her husband are exhausted from 7 days a week opening and employing staff is now a nightmare of regulatory requirements and risks weighted against employers. She says other businesses in town are feeling the same and facing similar or worse staff problems.
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May 23, 2021 11:11am
- DeepBlue
  
  If she can meet her goals by closing on Sunday then all power to her. 1 or 2 fewer staff, keep the reliable ones, pay them appropriately. She may just say ‘I should have done it years ago’.
  
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  May 23, 2021 12:11pm
- kevn
  
  @Al… What line of business?
  
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  May 23, 2021 12:23pm
oldfella

The VERY lefty Daily Beast takes the Cuomo brothers, and CNN, to the woodshed…
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If ‘Cancel Culture’ Is Real, Why Aren’t the Cuomos Canceled?
The news that Chris Cuomo has been advising his brother, the governor of New York, on how to counter a barrage of sexual harassment allegations against him is the sort of brazenness that would get the CNN anchor fired if CNN was serious about being a news network and not just another entertainment channel.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/if-cancel-culture-is-real-why-arent-chris-cuomo-and-andrew-cuomo-cancelled
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May 23, 2021 11:13am
oldfella

Just because we can do it, doesn’t mean we should. Be careful what you wish for…
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Genealogy site MyHeritage has introduced a tool which uses deepfake technology to animate the faces in photographs of dead relatives.
Called DeepNostalgia, the firm acknowledged that some people might find the feature “creepy” while others would consider it “magical”.
It said it did not include speech to avoid the creation of “deepfake people”.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56210053
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May 23, 2021 11:23am
- lifesgood
  
  I looked at this and tested it with a photo of a relative. The animated face looked absolutely nothing like the dead relative. They film actors with similar facial features and meld them with the photo you supply. It will have to get a hell of a lot better than it is. At the moment it is rubbish
  
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  May 23, 2021 4:54pm
Liberty

The Labour Government is totally incompetent when it comes to repairing roads.
The first couple of km on the Takaka hill Rd in February 2018 was munted. Over 3 yrs later
They are finally doing some work on it. But for months they did staff all. Apart from a set of lights and cones.
Technically it would be difficult to repair. So was the Kaikoura highway. But that went on for hundreds of miles. National moved heaven and earth to repair it.
Labour have spent $20 million. God knows where that went. Moving dirt not a lot. Procrastinating over how to build a bike lane and moving cones?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125209164/thirtynine-months-after-work-began-on-sole-road-in-and-out-of-golden-bay-people-are-losing-patience
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May 23, 2021 11:31am
- Tony Stuart
  
  That the Kaikoura highway was open to limited traffic just a year after such major destruction of the road was testament to the people who worked on it, and the determination of the then government to have the road reopened as early as possible.
  
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  May 23, 2021 1:08pm
- MCos
  
  Roads are maintained by NZTA, not the Labour Government.
  
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  May 23, 2021 3:18pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    So who funds NZTA? Is it still National’s fault?
    
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    May 23, 2021 8:24pm
Greg Ettridge

Couple of interesting comparisons
New Zealand has 98% uptake of available vaccines.
Australia is throwing away thousands unused vaccines.
Victoria have administered 773,316 vaccines but just 72,806 second Jab 9.5% fully vaccinated.
New Zealand 321,502 , 152,933 second jab
Uptake second jab NZ 47% fully vaccinated
Australia has .9% of its population without aged care vaccinated
New Zealand .3% all up.
Australia awash with vaccines know one wants, New Zealand no vaccines that looks like over half the population wants.
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May 23, 2021 11:45am
Jack5

A sudden outbreak of Covid-19 in Taiwan, which has led the world in containing the disease, is a warning for New Zealand to keep up its guard.

There have been 321 new cases, including two deaths, in Taiwan, and an upgrading of reported numbers by inclusion of 400 “delayed reporting” cases.

The Taipei Times says a 10 per cent positive rate has been recorded in Wanhua, the same as the peak rate during the New York outbreak.

Latest figures:

Taiwan (population 23.5 million): 3,862 cases, 17 deaths. Cases per million people: 162

New Zealand (population 5m): 2,662 cases, 26 deaths. Cases per million people: 532. [Source uses NZ population of 5,002,100.]
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May 23, 2021 12:24pm
- Cinematic
  
  Eventually the virus will work it’s way through NZ too. Vaccinating will hopefully take the edge off the surge.
  
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  May 23, 2021 12:56pm
- Apropos of the Wet Snow
  
  Taiwan: At least 3,862 cases (it’s reasonable to assume that more have not been detected) and 17 deaths at most (it’s reasonable to assume that other factors contributed). That is at most a 0.4% mortality rate.
  
  NZ: At least 2,662 cases (with the same proviso as above) and at most 26 deaths (again with the proviso above). That is at most a 0.97% mortality rate.
  
  I haven’t compiled a dossier of all your comments on this matter Jack, so I can’t say with certainty what your stance on Covid is, but anyone with any brains will concede that those rates are incredibly insignificant (and this is without the further consideration that these deaths are almost entirely sick and/or old and/or obese people).
  
  You don’t need to be a virologist in order to blow the official narrative to pieces. It is sufficient to merely have a calculator and the ability to apply logic to the resultant figures.
  
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  May 23, 2021 2:48pm
  - Keith White
    
    …and during the 2000’s until 2019, ~500 people a year died of the seasonal flu in NZ with no special (over)reactions.
    
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    May 23, 2021 7:03pm
Nickc2

If you throught Journalists were honest and above board in their interviews/crusades, take a look at this.
This is a clip from Sky News Aust and shows female Journalists at the ABC (Aust Broadcasting Corp) setting up to crucify a male actor by coaching witnesses etc and deciding the day when the show will go to air to achieve the ultimate aim of their crusade and they are none too shy about what they are doing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n_A3A_eL-Y
Keep this in mind when viewing hit jobs by our MSM.
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May 23, 2021 12:25pm
- Cinematic
  
  Far out. That’s some scary shit.
  
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  May 23, 2021 1:08pm
I remember when

Will we even recognise New Zealand by the 2023 General Election.
Transport Minister Michael Wood will make a decision on Auckland’s port location before the 2023 election.
He said a decision could be more than 18 months away, and would fit within other work on the country’s freight network, including the future of rail.
Chief Executive of Ports of Auckland, Tony Gibson, said in late 2019 he was not against an eventual move, “but can we at least move it somewhere sensible.”
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May 23, 2021 12:58pm
- MCos
  
  My pick is the port ain’t going anywhere, but the used cars from Japan are likely to be phased out.
  
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  May 23, 2021 3:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Coward punch victim dies

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/05/promising-city-kickboxing-mma-fighter-fau-vake-dies-in-hospital.html
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May 23, 2021 1:06pm
DeepBlue

Some commentary post budget was the Maori health allocation was insufficient as it should have been proportional to population at 16% of total Vote Health.

This raises a truly separatist argument and with it, card carrying rights. It would mean separate services for ED’S, surgery, ambulance etc. Separate doors to these services etc. This is not the right direction.
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May 23, 2021 1:47pm
Pharmachick

@Nostradamus 8:53 PM NZT, May 22nd

It is interesting, plausible and exciting… but way too early to put all (or even most) of the eggs in that basket. I have been watching this one for the last 6-12 months (they and another team, publish scientific papers not here progress).

Cheers
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May 23, 2021 2:30pm
- Pharmachick
  
  *on their progress, not “Not here”… Jeez I really hate autocorrect some days.
  
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  May 23, 2021 2:31pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING!!!

Fun and games in main street of ROTOVEGAS…..

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1396289797656694787
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May 23, 2021 2:32pm
RW Capitalist

Went to the Phoenix game yesterday.
YAY 3-0
Couple of things
Considering the Hurricanes played the night before.
The ground staff did a great job.
When I went to get my ticket a few weeks ago (am a founder member, so got “early” purchase) since my wife was foundation member too (she died in March), I wanted the same seat I’ve had since the beginning.
On line Ticketech had the seat layout upside down and reversed, so couldn’t be sure would get the correct seat.
Called Ticketech….no joy.
Called the Phoenix….told the story…they ended up GIVING me the same seat and playing a tribute to my wife at the 66th minute (her age).
I did not expect any of this and am saying it here as it is a public forum, to say THANK YOU.
24105 people saw that tribute at the ground and more on TV…
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May 23, 2021 2:50pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yep, saw that, good stuff
  
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  May 23, 2021 5:26pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Thank you
    
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    May 24, 2021 7:47am
- Mike
  
  That’s a fine thing to do for you.
  
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  May 23, 2021 6:13pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Yes it was, thanks.
    
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    May 24, 2021 7:47am
kevn

@Maggie… ‘no arrests yet’. No cameras either?
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May 23, 2021 3:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Applies to quite a few here.
https://babylonbee.com/news/experts-always-know-what-theyre-talking-about-and-never-make-mistakes-experts-confirm?
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May 23, 2021 4:01pm
- Mike
  
  I think the Dunning-Kruger effect is more evident on Kiwiblog than any actual expertise.
  
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  May 23, 2021 4:17pm
  - Tall Man
    
    As you keep demonstrating mikey.
    
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    May 23, 2021 8:24pm
  - Jack5
    
    You’re not Japanese then, are you, Milky a.k.a. Mikenmild, a.k.a.Mike?
    
    1. From Psychology Today:
    
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people wrongly overestimate their knowledge or ability in a specific area.
    
    2. From Wikipedia:
    
    Studies of the Dunning–Kruger effect usually have been of North Americans, but studies of Japanese people suggest that cultural forces have a role in the occurrence of the effect. The 2001 study “Divergent Consequences of Success and Failure in Japan and North America: An Investigation of Self-improving Motivations and Malleable Selves” indicated that Japanese people tended to underestimate their abilities and to see underachievement (failure) as an opportunity to improve their abilities at a given task, thereby increasing their value to the social group.
    
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    May 23, 2021 8:49pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That’s interesting Jack. Any other psychological insights you can share about commenting on Kiwiblog? Monomania, for example?
      
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      May 24, 2021 6:27am
surfing

I see the government narrative around gangs being made up of nice people is not matching up with reality…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/unprovoked-gang-attack-footage-of-rotorua-street-fight-shows-dozens-brawling/TF4SPWNNZB3WA5FHOGNDS7QKBM/

Wonder if Marama Davidson was there.

Or , perhaps Chief Human Rights Commissioner Paul Hunt could have been shown his rights under gang law!
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May 23, 2021 4:39pm
jon

Appointment of the next Governor General..normally an announcement of a new Governor General is made at least six months before the incumbert is due to retire. Dame Patsy’s term of five years ends late August. Perhaps another Govt stuffup?? Given these PC/WOKE times the appointee will have to tick many boxes. Could be a bit of a laugh.
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