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Happychappy

Outbreak of Gun Violence: Warning for public to be vigilant as criminals ” increasingly ready to pull the trigger”.
Wow is this what we expect and have to live with now because of Labours be kind,go soft on gangs and a policy of reducing prison numbers.
A growing number of criminals are carrying firearms- and they are becoming increasingly ready to “pull the trigger” says Police Association President Chris Cahill and he says members of the public need to be vigilant in case they find themselves caught in the middle of a armed situation.
” I can’t say this is going to be a one-off because it’s not, we have had three significant events in less than a week he told the Herald.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/outbreak-of-gun-violence-warning-for-public-to-be-vigilant-as-criminals-increasingly-ready-to-pull-the-trigger/N4HXTX7L4LFD6DHO6QZBA22IQM/
The Police Association President had also taken a swipe at the Government and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern over the $ 2. 7 million given to the Mongrel Mob for drug rehabilitation.
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July 16, 2021 8:00am
- Choose an agenda, frame the debate, claim your comments are innocent
  
  It all goes back to deciding to register owners instead of guns, and allowing gun-supermarkets that sold assault rifles and much else. De-regulation, cost cutting and laissez-faire, in other words.
  
  Leaky homes, exploding mines, guns everywhere. When will we learn?
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:31am
  - Yabster
    
    bollocks- a gun register whether it will be by gun or owner will make zero difference to gangs and criminals – these people live outside of societys laws- the Mobs cree is “give it to me or we will take it”- the only way to get this under control is raid them, harass them continuosly so it becomes an unattractive option to be a gang member.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:11am
    - Lance
      
      Oh but that would be racist!!!!
      Oh the humanity
      
      /sarc/
      
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      July 16, 2021 9:53am
  - rouppe
    
    gun-supermarkets that sold assault rifles and much else
    
    That’s an overreaction. The main problem was AR15’s that were Category A when they should have been Category C. That is down to the Police. They allowed it via the “thumb hole” loophole.
    
    Having said that, Jacinda told us that confiscating guns from lawful owners would make us safe, would remove dangerous weapons from the hands of criminals. What’s happened is the opposite.
    
    She’s an idiot
    
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    July 16, 2021 10:18am
  - alloytoo
    
    Newsflash!
    
    Criminals don’t obey the law.
    
    This why we call them criminals.
    
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    July 16, 2021 10:42am
  - NoFax
    
    Do you even know what an assault rifle is? Learn first then comment otherwise you come across as an idiot.
    
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    July 16, 2021 11:18am
- The Feed
  
  We need to “be vigilant”. I’m not sure that would stop a bullet.
  
  Here’s a better idea, pollys. Go find the violent criminals. Lock them up.
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:34am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    They’re not even that hard to find. In fact, becoming more visible and active every day. What was the word again? That’s it – emboldened. And why wouldn’t they be?
    
    Being let out of jail early, getting hugs and koha from the useless gummint, getting gifted back the proceeds of their own crimes to have their gardens done, and best of all they get to keep their illegal firearms. What’s not to be emboldened about?
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:29am
  - Sacha
    
    I’m pretty vigilant. But I’d feel safer if I had a weapon under my pillow –
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:45am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Glad to see the Police considering their duty to maintain peace and law.
  They should consider also arresting those MP’s who were complicit in the Ihumatao occupation and coercive eventual theft of title. Might is not right.
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:51am
  - pdm
    
    `Glad to see the Police considering their duty to maintain peace and law.’
    
    Kev – that is just the Association.
    
    The commissioner has to do what Jacinda tells him.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:58am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The Commissioner is independent of the govt in his duty.
      What’s he being paid for?
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:23am
      - Hugh Jarse
        
        A responsible government with an understanding of governance would indeed be independent, but i think the pulling of the ART squads by this Commissioner just prior to Matt Hunts shooting is an indication of how it works with this government.
        
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        July 16, 2021 11:09am
- RoboRob
  
  The police association have their own axe to grind in this. They have forever been pushing for cops to carry guys. Any comments from them must be taken with this in mind.
  
  If they were honest they would call out the police commissioner and the government for sending all the wrong messages to gangs. Regardless of the work the cops are putting in, messaging about reducing prison populations by reducing sentences or simply not jailing people, alongside gangs being community groups, all serve to increase gang numbers and activity. This was coupled with the gun buyback where the police refused an amnesty on illegal gang weapons, thereby keeping the guns with the gangs.
  
  Is it a surprise that there is an increase in gang number, drug and gun crime?
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:55am
  - Stephen Russell
    
    I do not think the gangs were ever going to give up their guns. The whole buyback scheme was completely daft: there was an inverse relationship between the chances of a gun being used for ill, and the chances of it being bought back.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:16am
    - RoboRob
      
      True. But the police / govt didn’t even try to get the guns back from gangs. No effort or policy at all. Even 1 or 2 guns back would have been better than what they acheived.
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:39am
      - GJM
        
        In the Aussie confiscation, they paid 120% of the value, and paid it to anyone who came in with a gun. This was the advice given to NZ by the Ozzie cops.
        Here they paid less than the value, typically around 75%, didn’t pay for now worthless acessories or ammunition, and only to licensed firearms owners. The ones hidden under the bed by non licesned owners are still there. If they had paid for them, some would have been handed in
        
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        July 16, 2021 5:15pm
  - Yvette
    
    A growing number of officers have been “riled” by the Government’s funding of a gang-led methamphetamine programme, questioning whether it’s worth the risk of policing gangs who are armed, dangerous, and dealing the harmful drug.
    Prime Minister Ardern on Monday defended the $2.75 million used from proceeds of crime funding that was given to a Mongrel Mob-led meth rehabilitation programme.
    She admitted during an afternoon post-Cabinet briefing she had been one of the ministers involved in making the decision to fund it.
    
    Public relations scoring: the Mob – something off the record.
    Ordinary Police officers – probably nil or something minus.
    
    This is little different from the procedure back in the seventies that saw Taupo iwi unconcerned that their people who used pitch forks to reap trout in the rivers, and sometimes a stick or two of explosives, were not greatly worried even if a car was confiscated, because usually within two weeks it would be returned to them along with any other proceeds from misdemeanours.
    Trout of course were not even indigenous, but did that matter?
    Things may have not changed much?
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:57am
- coge
  
  Don’t worry, Labour will fix this! Won’t be long before the media cease reporting all gun crime.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:37am
  - alloytoo
    
    That’s the only fix they have that seems to work.
    
    Naturally it’s outsourced.
    
    Team of $55 million
    
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    July 16, 2021 10:44am
- Justitia
  
  Just return their assets to them and they’ll behave nicely, eh Jacinda?
  
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  July 16, 2021 12:37pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  Every New Zealander should now be armed
  and no kiwi should be able to Vote
  until they have completed military service.
  
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  July 17, 2021 2:04am
fernglas

Stuff gives us the “whole truth” about the Janssen vaccine;
“The single-dose vaccine is the second approved for use by the government’s medicines regulator. In August, Cabinet is expected to make a decision on how and when to use it.

Like the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine currently being rolled out across New Zealand, the Janssen vaccine has an excellent record when it comes to safety and effectiveness, says Immunisation Advisory Centre director Dr Nikki Turner”
but Stuff fails to ask why it will take until some time in August for Cabinet to get around to approving it.
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July 16, 2021 8:05am
- fernglas
  
  The point is, of course, that the virus is now loose in Australia, and New Zealand is next, but the Government is dragging its heels out of terror at making a wrong move. That’s what you need in times of crisis, of course. Abject, snivelling cowardice, but most of New Zealand seems to share that characteristic, so I guess they have got the mood just right.
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:14am
  - I remember when
    
    Not a lot of mention about the ‘elephant in the room’ either.
    The simple fact is that by the time the majority of New Zealander’s are vaccinated, the period of greatest danger, Winter, will be over.
    
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    July 16, 2021 8:29am
    - sooty
      
      Do you have a choice of jab vacine?
      
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      July 16, 2021 11:12am
    - marcw
      
      One thing that is affecting the pandemic worldwide is that Covid-19 doesn’t seem to fit into a seasonal pattern of spread. The virus is still active in the Northern hemisphere (summer), so we can’t expect there will be respite here just because winter ends.
      
      Sure there are some factors which aid spread in winter (closeness in living and public spaces), but these are not so important as they are for “seasonal” flu.
      
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      July 16, 2021 11:15am
      - I remember when
        
        A study of Worldometer daily death graphs by country shows that deaths, almost invariably reach a much higher number in winter.
        
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        July 16, 2021 1:19pm
- Simon
  
  “Like the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine currently being rolled out across New Zealand, the Janssen vaccine has an excellent record when it comes to safety and effectiveness, says Immunisation Advisory Centre director Dr Nikki Turner”
  
  Straight from the Ministry of Truth.
  
  Scotland just had another week where fully vaccinated people made up over half of all Covid deaths. Also: 15 times as many people have died of Covid in Scotland so far in July 2021 as in the same period in 2020. Yes, 15 times.
  
  41 “fully vaccinated” deaths as of the most recent report (through July 7),
  27 last week,
  13 two weeks ago.
  That’s 28 deaths in the fully vaccinated from June 23 to July 7, more than half of all deaths Scotland reported over that period.
  
  UK reported 63 #Covid deaths today; more disturbing is that Scotland reported 19, the equivalent of ~1,200 in the US. I keep warning you, there is no evidence the vaccines preferentially protect against severe disease and death. The clinical trials weren’t powered to show that…
  
  https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:36am
  - Cinematic
    
    This stands to reason. The overwhelming majority of Covid deaths are aged people due to pop off anyway.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:07am
    - gravedodger
      
      Possibly only “due” to pop off if one considers all the retired a burden on workers. I donated for free a decade and a half after retirement to voluntary unpaid community work that actually saved some lives.
      Now living with compromised lung function I am well in the demographic but still very conflicted on the vaccine and that alongside fringe Paramedic experience. As stated previously we dodged a bullet with Thalidomide as swmbo suffered extreme morning sickness in both pregnancies including a bout the morning she birthed our second when the drug was on the market, whew that was close.
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:31am
  - JackRabbit
    
    None of this is surprising.
    
    “…the Janssen vaccine has an excellent record when it comes to safety and effectiveness…”
    
    This statement could only be true if:
    
    [1] They made the vaccine 5 years ago and it had passed FDA approval.
    
    [2] Clinical trials had been carried out with double blind tests, where the infection rate was identical for both groups. or:
    
    [3] The clinical trials involved 2 groups of 1000 monkeys (or human volunteers) that were deliberately infected with Covid-19, after one group had taken the vaccine and one had taken a placebo.
    
    [4] The effects on said monkeys (or human volunteers) are tracked over 2-5 years.
    
    Otherwise it is just selling snake oil or coloured lolly water, and trading off peoples’ fear. An no mentioning of the effectiveness of Doxycycline, Ivermection, and other compounds, or urging people to boost their immune systems. If appears that if you have a dodgy immune system you are at risk from both Covid-19 and the mRNA vaccines.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:26am
    - JackRabbit
      
      And there are 14 new vaccine billionaires. Clearly nothing would have been fudged and no-one would have acted out of self interest. //
      
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      July 16, 2021 9:43am
      - Lance
        
        I know a NZer who has been part of a team that has been working on drug for 14 years. Yes… 14 years.
        Close to approval now.
        At any stage the entire thing could fall over in a heap due to adverse reactions.
        So you seem to be saying they should just sell this drug at cost of manufacture, reward for risk shouldn’t come into it?
        Very very leftist
        
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        July 16, 2021 9:59am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Lance
        
        So you seem to be saying they should just sell this drug at cost of manufacture, reward for risk shouldn’t come into it?
        Very very leftist
        
        I think you have your wires crossed, as I said nothing of the sort.
        
        [1] I don’t care if they are billionaires or not.
        [2] I do care if the vaccines create more long term problems than they solve, or are simply ineffective.
        [3] I care if those billionaires got wealthy over selling an untested unproven vaccine.
        [4] With potential billions to be made, There would be temptations to blur the line on side effects.
        
        And to prove my point, look at what you have written:
        I know a NZer who has been part of a team that has been working on drug for 14 years. Yes… 14 years.
        Close to approval now.
        At any stage the entire thing could fall over in a heap due to adverse reactions.
        
        14 years. So you apprecite the need for due diligence, and the risk of it all falling over because of adverse reactions.
        
        I am also aware of teams that have had significant investments in new drugs and over many years only to have fallen over because of ineffectiveness and side effects.
        
        How would you feel if that team you mention rushed through the drug in 3 months and launched without FDA approval but ’emergency permission’ on the basis that efficiency and safety data would be filed in 2023-2015. And made billions without real proof until 2023-2025 that it worked? And where long term side effects won’t be visible immediately.
        
        Very very dodgy.
        
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        July 16, 2021 10:32am
      - RoboRob
        
        @JackRabbit
        
        I dont know about Jansen vaccine.
        
        The technology for RNA vaccines has been in development / trial for 10 plus years. Whilst these are the first vaccines build on this tech it is hardly new or untested.
        
        ’emergency permission’ does not equal unsafe/ untrialled. The Pfizer vaccine was tested on 40,000+ people in multiple countries. It is one of the largest trials. Often normal trials are much less becuase people dont want to be involved. The clinical results were excellent and well reviewed.
        
        Yes we don’t know the longe term effects of a drug, but we never really know that for any drug until it is approved and used in mass.
        
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        July 16, 2021 10:56am
- Ehlana
  
  A single dose vaccine that doesn’t require a cold chain. So it could be administered just like the flu vaccine is now – in small and medium workplaces, at community meeting points (sports grounds, churches, shopping malls).
  
  But no, we still have Pfizer only. Which you can only get at your workplace if you have 1000+ workers, or certain ethnic/workforce groups and then there still have to be 70 workers on site. No joining up with the next door business either, or allowing family on site to make up the numbers. Crowd control, you understand.
  
  97% of NZ businesses have fewer than 20 employees, according to MBIE (https://www.mbie.govt.nz/assets/small-business-factsheet-2020.pdf )
  
  Of course, if you’ve never worked in or run a business and don’t live on the average wage, taking time out from work twice to travel from your workplace to a vaccination point, wait, vaccinate, wait again, then get back to work/pick the kids up on time – I guess that doesn’t seem like a monumental waste of time and energy.
  
  Perhaps somebody could work out the carbon cost of that, and contrast it with workplace inoculations. Or ask Mr Whippy how they manage to transport cold products to point of sale…
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:42am
  - RoboRob
    
    Just a small point.
    
    Whilst the Pfizer vaccine needs to be stored cold, it comes in refrigerated boxes (dry ice) which are designed to be taken to small venues and dispensed. The vaccine can survive for at least 7 days in said box. Teh vaccine can be issued just like the flu vaccine, you just need two visits.
    
    There is nothing stopping chemists, schools, churches etc from dispensing on site. The issue is with a lack of supply and poor execution from the ministry of health (Bloomfield and co).
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:00am
    - JackRabbit
      
      “The issue is with a lack of supply and poor execution from the ministry of health (Bloomfield and co).”
      
      The issue is that they know that many medical professionals do not agree with the vaccines safety, and if the public ask for informed advice, the vaccine uptake rate may plummet.
      
      The public should be very concerned when medical professionals do not agree with the vaccine, nurses refuse to take it, and members of armed forces resign rather than be forced to take the vaccine.
      
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      July 16, 2021 9:30am
      - Lance
        
        Anti-vax drivel
        
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        July 16, 2021 10:01am
      - RoboRob
        
        Sorry thats just bs. The medial professionals almost universally support vaccination. Some individauls (in all walks of life) might be suspicious or have weighed he pros and cons and decided not to take it, as is their right.
        
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        July 16, 2021 10:43am
      - Weetbix3ways
        
        @Lance
        No, it isn’t. I personally know multiple persons involved, both working for Pfizer, one of which is directly involved with this vax, who will NOT take it.
        
        Don’t bury your head in the sand and convince yourself you are right by calling people names. It is a lame cop-out.
        
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        July 16, 2021 10:47am
      - Lance
        
        I call BULLSHIT on “many medical professionals do not agree with the vaccines safety”.
        
        No danger of a source you that ‘fact’???
        
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        July 16, 2021 11:10am
      - sooty
        
        What’s storage time after you have opened the box half a dozen times?
        
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        July 16, 2021 11:15am
      - RoboRob
        
        @Sooty
        
        I don’t know. However the boxes are temp monitored and will tell you if they have become to warm. The process would normally be…
        
        Box of 5000 (they come in a variety of sizes)
        Open the box take out n vials for use and close the box. The vials can be stored in a normal fridge for up to 48 hrs. So a bargain chemist (for example) could get a box on Monday and get out 1000 per day for example. Any left over at the end of the day could be used first the following day before getting more out.
        
        Like I keep saying, this isn’t rocket science. The MOH seems to be making this harder than it needs to be. There is no need to the ‘oh no we have vials that are about to go bad, anyone want them’ process that seems to be common.
        
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        July 16, 2021 11:31am
    - Ehlana
      
      Thanks for the clarification RoboRob. The Ministry says it needs 70 people on a site minimum to be able to vaccinate there (and will only consider such a small site if there are other factors, like shift workers, Maori/Pacific Islanders or distance from another vaccination point).
      
      I would have thought efficient and effective would have been a small vehicle going door to door through our industrial areas. Sounds like it could also be a vaccinator going floor to floor through the commercial buildings.
      
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      July 16, 2021 9:38am
      - RoboRob
        
        Me too Ehlana. I guess the issue is the 30 minute wait afterwards.
        
        There are chemists all over the place (especially malls). You could just setup in the mall and do hundreds / thousands a day.
        
        Also in NZ the idea of needing people to be seperated while they wait before and after vaccination is just loopy too.
        
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        July 16, 2021 10:49am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Alternative truth:
  https://www.globalresearch.ca/mrna-covid-vaccine-not-vaccine/5734464
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:53am
  - JackRabbit
    
    If vaccines teaching the body immunity, could be compared to teaching people to recognise deadly spiders by giving them spider samples to take home.
    
    Dead vaccine: This is what a dead Black Widow Spider looks like.
    
    Live vaccine: This is what a live Black Widow Spider looks like. Just don’t let it out of his habitat, and be careful opening the lid when you feed it.
    
    mRNA: We have given you a spider habitat with an artificial Mother Black Widow Spider that pops out baby Black Widow Spiders by the hundreds, until you learn how to look after them properly.
    
    What could possible go wrong?
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:41am
    - Lance
      
      Hmmm
      More anti-vax drivel
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:02am
      - gravedodger
        
        Or could be a reasonable opinion perhaps?
        
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        July 16, 2021 10:34am
      - JackRabbit
        
        More “anti-vax drivel” statements from a bully.
        
        Here’s a unique thought for you. Try debating the science and facts instead of resorting to using verbal fists.
        
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        July 16, 2021 10:37am
      - Lance
        
        @ Jack
        That is an extremely poor analogy you put up.
        Visual ques vs chemical / biological interaction is very very silly.
        
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        July 16, 2021 11:07am
      - Lance
        
        @gravedodger
        Are you really happy with that ridiculous analogy… really?
        
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        July 16, 2021 11:14am
Luke Piewalker

Cindy is about to see how unpopular she is outside of her carefully protected PR bubble.

Will be a bit of a shock for her.

But guess what Cindy.
You created this mess and division.
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July 16, 2021 8:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Not so,
  We are going to be deluged with stories of how our Dear PM is a highly respected International Leader who has brought the big boys to the table.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/447012/hopes-something-significant-will-come-from-apec-meeting-chaired-by-ardern
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:38am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I am flabbergasted.
    
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    July 16, 2021 8:54am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Let her deal with the impending world financial crisis. Here is a sampler, as it effects the USA. NZ will not be far behind.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/gundlach-warns-dollar-doomed-stocks-are-nosebleed-levels
    
    Cinders and her Pooh Bah have no idea about NZ’s integration in the world economy. They live in their own foolish paradise.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:00am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    And by “something significant” that they’re hoping for, they of course mean a decent diversion by the media whores.
    
    Fortunately there are 105,000,000 reasons why that’s a lock.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:40am
- JibberJabber
  
  Tomorrow, the media will be awash with wedding plans and pictures of children in Kindergartens.
  Prove me wrong.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:02am
  - Sacha
    
    JJ, you may well be right, but most of us couldn’t give a damn.
    I will probably turn on the tv at 6pm tonight to look at the coverage of the ‘howl’. It will be the first time since September 2017.
    Now to find the remote.
    
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    July 16, 2021 10:00am
- Nick R
  
  I’m not so sure. We all know farmers hate Labour. Having protests to show how much they hate Labour is not new. They always do it when Labour is in power. So a lot of people won’t take much notice. It’s just farmers doing what farmers always do. Ignore them and carry on.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:46am
  - Matt Long
    
    You raise a good point, much of the discussion about today’s protests has missed the fact that many of those involved in organising are not farmers but builders and other small businesses or individuals who have been adversely affected by by bad government over the last decade.
    Admitted Labour governments do show a special hatred for the productive sector, and do provoke protests.
    How effective these particular protests will be depends on a variety of factors, they should at least be better than rolling over and dying.
    The question is how do we better rein in an out of control government?
    
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    July 16, 2021 12:03pm
  - kloyd0306
    
    Since you are Labour supporter and also dislike farmers, why not protest the farmers by not buying milk products, by not buying meat products and not buying vegetables.
    You’ll feel so much better and really tell farmers what you think,
    .
    
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    July 16, 2021 2:53pm
- Philview
  
  I also read in the Daily Express site that Jacinda’s threat to veto the UK membership of CPTPP if they don’t submit to EU demands hasn’t gone down well there. She is showing her true colours.
  
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  July 16, 2021 10:00am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

You can fool some of the people most of the time, and those are the ones NZ’s socialist Govt will concentrate on
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July 16, 2021 8:14am
- Frank the tank
  
  Couldn’t have said it better myself:
  
  1). People under 30 with a university degree, live in an inner suburb and work in corporate, particularly if you don’t have a penis.
  2). People over 50, with landed assets, retired and have brought into the covid cult, particularly if you don’t have a penis.
  3). Labor’s core – the unemployed, teachers, government workers and the gangs.
  
  The rest (us) don’t matter
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Came from George W Bush, of all people
    
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    July 16, 2021 8:54am
Ludvyk

Some good oil on the false plague
We are now in a world where hundreds of millions of people, are convinced that a computer produced messenger RNA is a credibly presented vaccine .
This messenger causes your body cells to manufacture the pathogen spike protein similar to that attached on a patented Corona base virus.
The patents for both the altered virus and its treatment RNA “vaccine” were patented at approximately the same time in 2019, after being developed over twenty years.
The internet reference below gives the absolute detail of twenty years of the USA patents for Corona virus sequences, and associated biochemistry,
The Corona virus is not novel; it has been around for as long as we have been able to take and consider partial sequences.
The first Corona “vaccine” made was in the early 2000’s for Canine corona virus which apparently caused an Intestinal affliction.
It’s identity even now, is not fully known, it has never been isolated or fully sequenced. The genome written for it is a composite computer model,
meaning an interweaving of supposed partial sequences to it.
We could liken the particle to a completed jig saw which contains thousands of pieces, and which we put together as we can.
The idea of finding a new arrangement of C,G,T,and A, nucleotide arrangements then calling it a variation is likely just putting another piece of the jigsaw together.
The Covid 19 syndrome is a group of respiratory and malaise symptoms [ said to be caused by Sars-Cov2 virus ] and the diagnosis so prolific that Influenza appears to have vanished from the diagnostic spectrum.
Recent events are frightening . Most countries are reporting a higher incidence of fatal “ Covid-19 in “vaccinated “ people than in the free.
This is still slightly speculative, but you may ask yourself, is this injection designed as a combatant to a Sars-Cov2 clade virus, or any virus, or indeed what is it about .
I write here because we are told that New Zealand has a controlled media now as does Canada by means of required acquiescence to the “sole source of truth” in return for direct taxpayer funding.
The writer has read and studied over 100 papers. lectures and broadcasts over the last few months, many of these complex, and many showing the tell tale signs of
Government and “Big Pharma” direction. Readers are advised to accept the reality that over half of medical papers now are directly funded by pharmaceutical industry
or Governments. These forces direct the experimental design, and there are often flaws and tweaks to accomplish the required outcome.
Pharmaceutical lobby money in the USA is greater now than that of the military industrial complex.
A principle ingredient in the Moderna and Pfizer injection is mRNA. It is to produce spike protein and is a carrier for various biological agents
The patents for these Corona viruses recognize that Corona makes an excellent carrier. The possibility of use of Corona virus as a biological weapon
is known to have been considered several years ago, outcomes secret of course.
The leader in Patent lodging and success has been the CDC [ Centre for Disease control ] and the NIAID [ National Institute of Allergic and Infectious Disease ]
overseen by one of the darkest human in modern history Anthony Fauci.
I hope you will be one of us who does not have to be injected .
Speculation. The next five years will show the results of the greatest warfare against mankind ever imaginable by psychotic globalists ;
and you will likely find out if you accept it, but you may also fade away shortly or over time .
Here is some solid watching which might save your life. You will find it mind bending. I do not waste your time with other than a riveting factual report.
Over 100 articles and papers of research this is the most compelling factual account of the reality of the control that a great misrepresentation has over your life
Ludvyk Jahn 16 july 21
https://www.bitchute.com/video/KtLzQi7fsMYD/
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July 16, 2021 8:15am
- Fraggle
  
  Witnessing Kiwis complain about the slow “vaccine” rollout. I can’t help thinking it’s a blessing. Gives time to watch the rest of the world suffer the effects and hopefully learn from that. That said, I cannot see how it will all end in NZ because Cindy has backed herself into a corner, vaccine or not. It’s not only Australia that is a prisoner island. Sad to see.
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  See also my earlier post which affirms this. This “vaccine” is getting more of a curiosity by the hour.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:04am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Say what you like about David Icke but this is exactly what he said. No lab leak, no food market outbreak, just a fake plandemic, and all roads lead back to the CDC, Fauci, and the experimental jab companies. All about money, to get the entire world population addicted to fake vaccines.
  
  Yes, definitely watch this, will no doubt be a game changer.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:09am
- Lance
  
  Oh dear, the anti-vaxers are out in force in this morning.
  
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  July 16, 2021 10:06am
- Sacha
  
  What an interesting link Ludvyk.
  Many thanks for drawing it to our attention.
  It seems that many people are drawing the same conclusions, without having this exhaustive and very credible research at hand.
  It puts claims that the media are being ‘bought’ into the spotlight.
  It is all the more despicable that the Prime Minister, a woman who professes kindness and caring for the population used the fear of the ‘virus’ to manipulate election success.
  I am disgusted.
  
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  July 16, 2021 11:42am
Tony Stuart

Our old mate “Hey Clint” Smith took and absolute spanking on Twitter last night after trying to spin A Howl of a Protest Labour’s way:

Clint Smith
@ClintVSmith
I understand the agricultural corporates have told their staff they’re not allowed to show their corporate branding at the ‘Groundswell’ event tomorrow.

I guess they had a look into the activities of some of the organisers.
7:10 PM · Jul 15, 2021

https://twitter.com/ClintVSmith/status/1415569385763139584

Let’s look at a few salient points. Firstly. farmers’ tractors generally don’t carry a corporate branding, other than the makers’ name. Nor do their utes. Secondly, many tradies are self-employed, and not in thrall to corporates. Thirdly, those tradies who do employ staff are small business owners who has much as anyone, have had to deal with an uncaring government hell-bent on regulating them into oblivion.

If anything, Clint’s attempt to discredit A Howl of a Protest is likely to increase protest numbers. People are sick of the smears, the misinformation and the innuendo pedalled by the likes of “Hey Clint”.
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July 16, 2021 8:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Almost like Jaspinda’s spin doctors wrote that for Clint, I’m sure he is far too thick to comprehend it.
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:39am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Oh, Clint’s not thick. He knows EXACTLY what side his bread is buttered on…
    
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    July 16, 2021 8:50am
    - sooty
      
      May it fall, buttered side down on the ground!
      
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      July 16, 2021 11:20am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  An “ex friend” (she couldn’t handle my “extreme right wing views” 😛 ) posted a derogatory piece last night about the supposed turn out in the Bay of Plenty. She is tribal labour.
  
  Also suffers from anxiety. Hates it when people disagree with her, but is quite disagreeable. Sums up tribal labour for me.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:07am
- Ruawai
  
  Clint is trying the political trick of ‘divide and conquer’.
  
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  July 16, 2021 10:37am
- Matt Long
  
  Clint is probably right, I am aware of there are a bunch of people quietly supporting the Howl of Protest under cover for fear of repercussions.
  Narcissists are the kind of people liable to take revenge on people that oppose them.
  
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  July 16, 2021 12:18pm
  - I remember when
    
    There seems to be a lot more people marching to the beat of the percussions than worried about the echoes of the repercussions.
    
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    July 16, 2021 2:03pm
Tomtoddy

I am off to join the Groundswell protest. At the heart of the protest are issues of property rights and freedom. We either live in a country where no property is safe from Government’s interference at the behest of any lobby group or we draw a line in the sand and say enough is enough. Property rights are about certainty and security.

Equally the growing encroachment of regulations that are unnecessary and burdensome makes all business too stressful, less economic and intolerable.

Farmers have pulled the country through the Covid crap and deserve better. The present Govt’s attitude toward rural NZ and all business is unacceptable and needs to change.

C U there.
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July 16, 2021 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Closest for us in Auckland is Pukekohe or Helensville. Get behind it Auckland, population wise we are the biggest consumer of farm produce in NZ, we need our food at a price that is not inflated by a ‘ute’ tax
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:43am
  - John Pakes
    
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    Maybe, just maybe, the Ute Tax may cause a tradie or farmer to pause and consider if the ute needs replacing or not, and keep another polluting machine of the roads. After all, most of them are replaced because the tax accountant says so, we too easily forget that a tax avoided is passed on to someone else. If the farmer keeps his ute for another five or so years it will still be going ok and he will have saved quite a bit of capital costs and be able to provide cheaper food.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:02am
    - Yabster
      
      what a twit- does that also apply to just about any other NZ business that leases vehicles, councils, “THE GOVERNMENT”-
      “A tax avoided is passed on to someone else”- no its not -maybe thats your socialist indroctrination kicking in.
      
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      July 16, 2021 9:25am
      - John Pakes
        
        A tax avoided is passed on to someone else, that is just basic common sense. Extrapolate the argument to where everybody avoids tax, where would the money come from to build the roads? The majority of the population have absolutely no way of avoiding tax, hence if you dodge a bit they will end up paying more.
        
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        July 16, 2021 10:25am
      - Yabster
        
        Clearly you aren’t a tax accountant- if people pay less tax thats within the rules and the Government (who sets the laws) instead of passing that on- could always become more efficient i.e stop funding gangs (unlike labour when they get in the public service (of which I suspect you are one) ballons).
        Technically taking the Family tax credit reduces a vast amount of peoples tax to the point the are contributing zero re the tax take- are you saying that tax is being passed on to say couples without children and others so people taking the family credit are avoiding tax….?
        
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        July 16, 2021 11:47am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Ever been on a “farm” John? – I don’t mean one of those piddly little bits of land with pristine tracks and some show ponies that abound urban fringes.
      
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      July 16, 2021 9:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Typical Socialist, no idea how business works
      
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      July 16, 2021 9:58am
    - I remember when
      
      Yes.
      The market needs plenty of ‘really’ used vehicles.
      We don’t want those who buy lower mileage vehicles to get value for money – what does a few extra years mean.
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:05am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Yeah, because those emissions you idiots are so bent out of shape over reduce over time as the motor gets more worn, and technology never reduces pollutants or improves fuel efficiency. What. A. Muppet.
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:45am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      “we too easily forget that a tax avoided is passed on to someone else”.
      No one forgets John, because it isn’t true. Tax isn’t “passed on” if someone else pays lower, or no taxes. For instance, people on $60k or under with kids are generally net income tax beneficiaries, ie: they receive more back from the Govt than they pay in income tax. That doesn’t mean the net tax they haven’t paid is passed on to wealthier people. It just means the proportion of net tax paid by wealthy people is much greater than that paid by less wealthy people.
      Every NZ’r has the right to mitigate their tax as best they can. If a farmer doesn’t have to pay tax because he can structure his affairs, purchases etc in a certain way with in the Tax Act, then he|she is fully entitled to do so. That is what the Tax Act does, give guidance as to what and when you can claim as deductions and what must count as taxable income.
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:56am
      - Nickc2
        
        It’ll all change come the revolution!
        
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        July 16, 2021 12:34pm
    - Matt Long
      
      John Pakes, the Ute tax is just one more thing, and not even close to the worst. It just happens to be one of the stupidest.
      Sounds like from your post you are a coal burning car man?
      
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      July 16, 2021 12:40pm
    - gorse
      
      Do you know the difference between avoidance and evasion? Surely you meant the latter?
      
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      July 16, 2021 2:20pm
    - GJM
      
      Muppet. A vehicle like a ute is a legitimate expense fro a tradie or farmer. They need it to do their job. It needs to be reliable and work, every time, every day.
      WHen people say it is “tax deductable” like you do, they are implying that it is free. It is not. At best, you save 28%, being the company tax rate. You have to stump up the whole cash up front to buy it, and 72% of it is a hit to the pocket. Sensible business people watch expenses, as cutting useless waste is the easiest way to increase profits. Knowing quite a few farmers and tradies as I do, they all think very carefully before spending large sums, especially debt financed. The ones who don’t soon discover the error of their ways when the milk price drops or markets change. Milk solds were under $4 a few years ago, after a great year the previus year. Every dairy farmer was losing money that year.
      Something governments don’t understand.
      Worse is that such expenses are usually capitalised, as our greedy government has unrealistically low capital write off limits, so they benefit from the time value of money, and don’t care about the dead weight admin and tax accountants cost.
      
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      July 16, 2021 6:24pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Think it’s coming a bit closer than Pukekohe Steve.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/howl-of-a-protest-tractors-and-utes-to-descend-on-cities-as-farmers-protest/Q2A6FXLGBLTWWE6IPNBFFBTKL4/
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:49am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If I had have known about CBD and Queen St, I would have gone to the city! Where the fuck is Goff? Heading for the hills?
      Remember, if you had breakfast this morning, thank a Farmer and a Truckie. Your food did not get to the supermarket on public transport
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:04am
- John Pakes
  
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  I reckon that there are some genuine concerns amongst some folk in the rural community, but just hope that they will not be mislead by the nutters who are popping up amongst them.
  The Agriculture Action Group is active in Gore where the Groundswell movement has been set up. The AAG is leaning heavily on groups such as Groundswell to promote their rubbish views re United Nations Agenda 21 and others.
  I hope that those who attend today pause a while to check the credentials of some of those who will be making a noise
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:56am
  - Yabster
    
    Rubbish views on UN Agenda 21 -really- they only nutter here is clearly you if you think that agenda should be implemented.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:33am
    - Yabster
      
      Cindy is a communist and more dangerous than most Kiwi’s realise-from the AAG site (the apparent nutters accord to the twit):
      
      In August 2019 the Prime Minister of NZ was the keynote speaker at the Goal Keepers Conference in New York – a Bill and Melinda Gates initiative where our PM stood up and told the audience how NZ was achieving the goals of implementing Agenda 21 and 2030. Saying that these agendas had already been integrated into our legislation. Though this has been enacted through Parliament basically no-one – meaning ordinary NZers has any idea of what this is all about. It’s – Hidden in plain sight.
      
      Like the 17 sustainability development goals – they look and sound wonderful – we are going to eradicate poverty and have equality – have a sustainable future and look after our environment.
      
      But, if you go to http://www.aag.org.nz (Agricultural Action Group) and go to the link and download the fine print of what that Agenda actually is – and it’s a 352 page document – that covers every aspect of our lives – healthcare, education – that stock takes every single living being and resource and mineral on the planet – so that ‘they’ can control it.
      
      You start to get the picture, because we have not been consulted or involved.
      
      That ‘they’ want to eradicate that which is not sustainable – and that is – the private ownership of land. i.e farming – private ownership of motor vehicles, roading, irrigation, ski fields, golf courses – even the family unit – in their eyes is listed as unsustainable. That this is something that they want to eradicate. So once we read the fine print we become aware of where our Government is taking us – she says that the insane legislation that is crippling our agricultural sector – starts to make sense.
      
      Heather Meri says that everyone has to do their own research – because if you are not aware of what’s in the fine print – and you hear her for the very first time – it will sound quite bizarre and crazy – so the imperative is for all NZers is to see what is being planned for your future – and if you a parent – your children’s future. (and you have been cut out of the dialogue, with zero input).
      
      She says that anyone who today criticises the Government narrative is deemed by the Government to be ‘a conspiracy theorist’ – however when you read the fine print you realise that this is ‘not theory.’
      
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      July 16, 2021 9:51am
    - John Pakes
      
      Pardon? UN Agenda 21 is implemented. It is the nutter interpretations of it that Groundswell need to be aware of. Who is the nutter?
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:28am
      - Yabster
        
        Its non binding – and has so dangerous intentions- like taking land from farmers on enviromental grounds without compensation (SNA’s)- socilaism at its worst.
        
        What’s wrong with sustainability?
        
        Nothing, but its been co-opted by the U.N. Here are some of the things listed as sustainable:
        According to sister documents to Agenda 21, the Rio Accords and Global Bio-Diversity Assessment Report. What is not sustainable? Private property, golf courses, ski lodges, irrigation, monotheism, commercial agriculture, and the family unit.
        Does the U.N. have an interest in eliminating private ownership of land and national resources? The 1976 Habitat Conference Report states: “Private land ownership is also principally an instrument of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice. Public control of land is therefore indispensable.”
        
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        July 16, 2021 10:59am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Fear not John. This is a Groundswell NZ protest, and whilst AAG members might turn up, it’s not their party.
    
    Here’s a link to Groundswell NZ’s position statement, which will be read at every protest around the country today:
    
    https://groundswellnz.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/GROUNDSWELL-position-statement.pdf
    
    As you will see, it contains nothing of the batshit-crazy conspiracy theory stuff that the Left is claiming has hijacked A Howl of a Protest. It’s mainstream stuff, that affects farmers and city-dwellers alike.
    
    PS: I’ve just seen this photo of tractors at utes lined up at Drury, ready to convoy into Auckland. They are all tidily parked off the road, and everyone’s behaviour so far has been exemplary, with no reference to nutter theories whatsoever. I know this will disappoint you, but them’s the breaks!
    
    https://twitter.com/scottnz411/status/1415781825012633600
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Should be able to pick out the infiltrators in the convoy – they will be driving a Prius LOL
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:08am
    - John Pakes
      
      Why should it dissappoint me?
      The concern over the activities of the AAG group and their influence in the Groundswell movement is taken from the concerns of some farmers that were expressed in “Rural Life” of Thursday July 8.
      Suggest you read it.
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:34am
  - I remember when
    
    “The AAG is leaning heavily on groups such as Groundswell”.
    Proof!
    
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    July 16, 2021 10:10am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Oh look! Here’s Johnny to tell us our views are “rubbish” again. Goodness you’re fond of lecturing others aren’t you Johnny? Must be amazing to be you.
    
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    July 16, 2021 10:50am
- Hacked-Off
  
  Although I live in a small provincial city and am not a Tradie I will be there showing my support.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:54am
- Happy1
  
  I’m going as well Tom. It’s getting big,very big. Already paying dividends. Ricardo is starting a boycott of all farmers and growers products.
  
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  July 16, 2021 10:35am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Umm – he’ll maybe fade away with a bit of luck!
    
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    July 16, 2021 10:45am
Clyde

Behind paywalls I suppose, but do try and read Chris Trotter’s column today on the Government’s attitude to gangs. Well worth a read, and I don’t think Chris will be getting an invite to any Gizzie weddings anytime soon.
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July 16, 2021 8:19am
- David George
  
  Where did you read that one Clyde?
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:42am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s on his blog site
  
  Jacinda Ardern must understand that organised crime is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop – until her Government decides to stop it.
  
  http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2021/07/drawing-heat.html
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:59am
  - redeye
    
    I liked this bit
    
    “More to the point, what message does it send to all the decent, law-abiding, charity-workers who struggle every day to convince their neighbours that gangs are a curse upon their community to be resisted and shunned? What do they tell them when they see millions of dollars handed over to (allegedly) “reformed” gangsters, while charities are forced to jump through endless bureaucratic hoops to secure a few thousand?”
    
    Chris Trotter is one of the rare commentators that don’t let their own biases interfere with their logic.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:18am
- slightlyrighty
  
  He makes a telling point about how the gangs must be pissing themselves laughing at the naiveté of this government.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:17am
Happychappy

Majority of Beneficiaries won’t be better offdispite budget boost.
Labour and the Ministry of Social Development will be clawing back most of the benefit increase to pay some of the cost that they already pay for rent and rather Subsity’s.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/majority-beneficiaries-wont-20-better-off-despite-budget-boost
The old old stories of pay peter to rob paul being used by this kind Government.
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July 16, 2021 8:19am
- Scott
  
  Fair comment happy. Though I am reminded of Winston Churchill’s remarks – “if you are robbing Peter to pay Paul you can always count on Paul’s support.”
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:44am
  - igm
    
    Look at the bludging unemployables lounging in taxpayer-funded motels (wrecking them) with benefits exceeding the income of many decent hardworking Kiwis. These Ardern sycophants are the backbone of this foul and evil communist attempt to totally stuff New Zealand in accordance with yet another UN decree.
    
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    July 16, 2021 8:55am
    - MCos
      
      Had lemons for breakfast again?
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:17am
- artemisia
  
  Income related government subsidies are very widespread across the population. Beneficiaries might be caught up, but so are plenty of others on low incomes who actually get off the sofa and go to work.
  
  There was a story in the media a few months ago about a mother who increased her working hours from 30 to 40 a week, and ended up with a net $50 in her pocket due to reduction in government transfers. (She was philosophical, not complaining though.)
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:47am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    That being one of the principal arguments in favour of the Universal Basic Income, of course.
    
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    July 16, 2021 11:04am
  - [email protected]
    
    If you reduce the government transfer then she would have more in her pocket comparatively when working 40 hours instead of 30.
    
    If she actually continues to work 40 hours instead of 30 despite only ending up with $50 more in her pocket, then I respect her. That’s what most us do, work 40 or more hours a week.
    
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    July 16, 2021 6:21pm
JibberJabber

The National Party man-children are all threatening to write or seem to have written books about their bruising time in politics.

https://tinyurl.com/4u4d349y

Please politicians unless you are Winston Peters – no more books. That means you Paula Bennett and definitely you Helen Clark and Jim Bolger. No more. Malcolm Turnbull is about to show you why. We will all mock you, that’s why.
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July 16, 2021 8:20am
Greg Ettridge

It used to be “Where is Wally”
“Where is Damien”.
A classic piece of minder bullshit in his bio.
“He is a passionate advocate for rural communities and for a thriving agricultural sector.”
He has either had his tongue silenced by his minders and mentors, or he has Biden syndrome.
Damien, you and your witless associates are going to destroy agriculture, empty words mean nothing.
Just like his leader, talks the talk but hasn’t got any idea of what is dribbling out of his mouth.
Or what is dribbling out of his mouth has been written for him.
Go the howlers.
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July 16, 2021 8:21am
I remember when

The Playa Zahara and Viking Bay, two fishing boats with crew in isolation at present, would appear to have reached ‘herd immunity’ in a little as three weeks.
Is there a lesson in this outcome.
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July 16, 2021 8:23am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It hasn’t been reported if the fishing boat crews exhibited any symptoms or not. The PCR test may have thrown a positive, but were active whole viruses present?
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:51am
- MCos
  
  What’s your point?
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:21am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Simple.
    Is a positive PCR result ALWAYS indicative of a danger?
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:48am
    - krazykiwi
      
      That depends on the Ct count. Anything above 24, then not so much.
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:24am
Maggie Pie

OneEwes reports – new date announced….

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern was due to deliver the long awaited formal apology to the Pasifika People for the 1970’s Dawn Raids, which had been originally set down for June 26th at the Auckland Town Hall.

However, due to an unexpected call from her Dressmaker requiring an urgent fitting for the Wedding Gown, that date has now been rescheduled to August 1st.
The venue remains the same.
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July 16, 2021 8:29am
- MCos
  
  I should imagine that sounds perfectly reasonable to a lady of leisure from Remuera.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:29am
- KevO'Brien
  
  So, she’s going to apologise for Norm Kirk?
  
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  July 16, 2021 10:32am
  - sooty
    
    How much koha is she going to give?
    
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    July 16, 2021 11:30am
    - Tall Man
      
      That’s more to the point I think…..
      
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      July 16, 2021 12:27pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Why would she do that?
    
    Did Bolger, Shipley, Key or English apologise for Rob Muldoon?
    
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    July 16, 2021 11:44am
    - Yabster
      
      Man you really have a thing about Rob Muldoon- let it go he’s been dead 29 years.
      
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      July 16, 2021 1:35pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Yabbo: I’ll leave it alone when Kev stops extolling Muldoon’s virtues — directly or indirectly.
        
        My point was, as Kev well knows, Muldoon continued the policy of dawn raids, with gusto! If they were so bad (which they clearly were), then why did his hero continue with them?
        
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        July 16, 2021 2:44pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        He seems to have. I know nothing about Muldoon and the raids which were an Immigration Dept thing.
        
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        July 16, 2021 4:28pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Kev!! I’m astonished. You are a shocker!
        
        The Immigration Department, under the Muldoon administration, carried out dawn rates throughout 1976.
        
        Selective memory now?
        
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        July 16, 2021 5:04pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        For posterity, let’s review what has happened here.
        
        1. Maggie said, at 8:29AM, “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern was due to deliver the long awaited formal apology to the Pasifika People for the 1970’s Dawn Raids, […].”
        
        2. At 10:32AM, KevO’Brien snidely responded by saying, “So, she’s going to apologise for Norm Kirk?”
        
        What could Kev possibly have meant by this? Clearly, he was “wondering” if, given that the “dawn raids” policy was devised under the Kirk administration — but may actually have commenced under the Rowling administration, i.e., as from 6 September 1974 — would the prime minister, the Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern, also apologise for Norm Kirk?
        
        3. Knowing that the raids took place throughout 1976, i.e., during the first year of the Muldoon administration, peaking, as I recall, about October/November, I responded by querying why she should do that, given that subsequent National prime ministers hadn’t apologised for Muldoon.
        
        4. Yabster, possibly not knowing the history of the dawn raids, but obviously being aware that I like to correct Kev’s memories of the 1975–1984 Muldoon years, suggested I had a Muldoon “fixation”.
        
        5. I responded by pointing out that Kev knew full well that Muldoon continued the ‘dawn raids’ policy of the previous Rowling administration, my clear implication being that there is no imperative for the prime minister to apologise for Norm Kirk, when Bolger, through to English, had not previously apologised for Rob Muldoon.
        
        6. Then, at 4:28PM, Kev pleads ignorance, even though (aged 36) he was a National Party candidate at the 1975 election! It beggars belief.
        
        Kev, you still have a chance to redeem yourself. All you have to do is tell us why you (sarcastically) think the prime minister should apologise for Norm Kirk, even though you are perfectly happy that National prime ministers, subsequent to Rob Muldoon, did not apologise for him!
        
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        July 16, 2021 7:11pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Steve, you need to take a breath. I worked in immigration in that time.
        
        You are wrong.
        
        “In March 1974 the labour government of Norm Kirk began to crack down on Pacific Islanders with dawn raids on Tongan & Samoan homes in Auckland. ”
        
        Now you believe what you want but Muldoon “continued” the raids, not instigated them and it was his input with both the Employers Federation and the Manufacturers Fedeeration that led to it’s demise.
        
        Believe it or not but Muldoon was not the architect of this policy.
        
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        July 16, 2021 9:14pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Thank you for your input, Tall Man. I can assure you, I don’t need to take a breath.
        
        At point 2, I pointed out that the ‘dawn raids’ policy was devised under the Kirk administration — but admittedly, I implied that I couldn’t remember if the first raid occurred before, or after, Kirk’s death (on Saturday night, 31 August 1974).
        
        See my point 5. I clearly state that “Muldoon continued the ‘dawn raids’ policy of the previous Rowling administration, […].”
        
        I’m very aware that Muldoon was not the architect of the policy, but, under his administration, it was carried out with alacrity, until, finally, even he realised it had gone too far.
        
        Put simply, Kev took a cheap shot at both the prime minister and Norm Kirk, and I pulled him up on it.
        
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        July 16, 2021 9:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Well -known that the Dawn Raids started under Kirk.
        
        In 1974, the Norman Kirk-led Labour government used this Act to focus on Samoans and Tongans,
        https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/dawn-raids
        
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        July 16, 2021 10:16pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Maggy: I’m not sure if you’re having a crack at me, or not.
        
        I have previously informed you that I’m older than you. I have admitted, above, that I can’t actually remember when the raids started.
        
        Are you saying that you can remember, or are you just saying, in a generic sense, that it’s well known the raids started “under Kirk”?
        
        It’s an important distinction.
        
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        July 16, 2021 10:28pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @steve todd
        
        I worked with NZ historians for 4 years. At the Ministry for Culture & Heritage..
        I’m familiar with accessible sources of information about NZ history.
        Hence my link to the NZ History site.
        and here from Te Ara..
        Pacific people were negatively labelled overstayers. Many with short-term work visas were subjected to ‘dawn raids’ by the police (in 1974),
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/ethnic-inequalities/page-4
        
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        July 17, 2021 12:20am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Thanks, Maggy.
        
        So, do you actually remember when the first raids took place, or not? That’s what I’m getting at.
        
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        July 17, 2021 12:31am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And more detail here of the 1974 raids in Melani Anae’s extract:
        
        https://e-tangata.co.nz/history/the-terror-of-the-dawn-raids/
        
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        July 17, 2021 12:32am
Trev

I’ve looked at the Bruce Smith, mayor of Westland, UTube video on Three Waters. It is a well considered piece from someone with a lot of the facts. No sane rate payer could support the Three Waters as proposed. The proposal takes over $200 million of rate payer assets for only a $7 million write off of debt in return. The projected costs both for Council and new entity ownership are fiction with Buller, Grey and Westland all supposedly having the same future costs despite being different Councils with different start points. The adverts are pure propaganda full of misinformation that seem to be targeted at kids not ratepayers.
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July 16, 2021 8:30am
Simon

The deadly coronavirus may never go away, but it is possible to live “normally with it in our midst”, Singapore’s three ministers of a multi-ministry task force on coronavirus said on Thursday as they outlined plans for the country’s transition to a new normal.

A road map is being drawn up to shift to this new normal, and it will be done in tandem with achieving certain vaccination milestones, said the co-chairmen, Minister for Trade and Industry Gan Kim Yong, Minister for Finance Lawrence Wong and Minister for Health Ong Ye Kung.

“The bad news is that COVID-19 may never go away. The good news is that it is possible to live normally with it in our midst.” they said.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/singapore-plans-out-transition-to-new-normal-life-with-covid-19-pendemic-121062400135_1.html

Where is NZ’s road map? Zero covid “Ministry of Truth” authoritarian nutjobs running NZ. What are they doing in Wellington? Where is National are on this bull shit? Any links please.
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July 16, 2021 8:38am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “The bad news is that COVID-19 may never go away.”
  
  Wrong. It will be extinct by next year. However, we will have COVID-20!
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:52am
  - Tall Man
    
    Pffttt, we’ve got to get to “Variant Omega” which I can assure will kill at 20 paces and even if you just say the name …. you’ll gone, just like that.
    
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    July 16, 2021 11:42am
  - 3-coil
    
    Odakyu-sen: it appears COVID-19 has already gone. The Indian strain (and its later variations Delta and Delta+) which has only been around for about four months, but is now the only show in town.
    COVID-21 (ie the Indian/Delta/Delta+ version) is already here. It’s time the MSM and the pollies caught up, pulled their heads out of their arses, and admitted it – and called it what it is.
    
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    July 16, 2021 11:49am
- Master Mariner
  
  They also run the busiest Port in the world as well as a very busy airport in Changi with Military prescision.
  We cant even test oncoming crew for 2 fishing vessels before infecting the ship.
  No road map just wing it with fear thats the Modis operandi.
  If I run my vessel like this I’d be long gone.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:00am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    MM
    
    From one MM to another would you employ Jacinda as the Galley Girl or any other members of the motley as members of your crew???
    
    Wouldnt even have her as the figurehead!!!! An old figurehead from a sailing ship has more brains than her.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:50am
    - Master Mariner
      
      too much emotional baggage Id guess to have at sea for the anointed one.
      The others would be too excited about finding the Golden Rivet and come to wrong conclusions.
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:37am
JibberJabber

Here’s a thought for all the lefties whining about #groundswell, boycott all goods produced by farmers.
Get back to us next week tell us how you got on.
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July 16, 2021 8:39am
- Ehlana
  
  JibberJabber, can we let them get back to us in a month or two?
  Water is not produced by farmers, so it may take a little longer for this boycott to be effective than you anticipated.
  
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  July 16, 2021 11:59am
nathie

Just clicked … Howl of a protest is also a polite way of saying “Hell of a protest”!

To all the Farmers, Tradies and Ute owners going to protest today, all the best and smash it to this unkind, uncaring, divisive and devious agenda ridden Labour/Green government!
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July 16, 2021 8:41am
- jon
  
  My old Gallant is a UTE for the day..off to Dannevirke to support our farmers.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:43am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Jon, I can still hear my grandparents (who are buried in the Retuned Services area of the Dannevirke cemetry) along with Keith Holyoake, and my dad rolling in their graves that Paihiatua (now Waiarapa) went red at the last election.
    
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    July 16, 2021 1:45pm
    - jon
      
      Hullkiwi..was thinking of Sir Keith as i drove back to Pahiatua from Dannevirke through all that beautiful farm country and too had thoughts of how appalled he would be the way the farmers were being treated by this inept govt and also how his old seat of Pahiatua had been absorbed into the Wairarapa electorate and was now represented by a MP who has proclaimed how proud he is to be a socialist. An MP who will be a one termer in the seat.
      
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      July 16, 2021 3:56pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Here’s hoping that McNulty is sent packing. My family has over 150 years history with farming in Southern Hawkes Bay (Takapau to Dannevirke). My late father was so proud to have come from the electorate of “Kiwi” Keith.
        
        The National Party needs to do some serious listening to rural NZ, else they’ll find they are not going to recover. What we need is a true “country party” to keep the urban suits on their toes. What I’ve seen of Judith’s advisors I’m not hopeful they are getting the message though.
        
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        July 16, 2021 7:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Newshub poll
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2021/07/question-of-the-day-do-you-think-farmers-are-getting-a-rough-deal.html

Currently at 83 :17 in agreement
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July 16, 2021 8:42am
- Tarquin North
  
  Hundreds of farmers are expected to protest says the headline. Wishful thinking from newscrub and their masters I feel. There will be thousands out all over the country.
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:58am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    They’re already gathering in large numbers at Drury, well before the appointed hour.
    
    https://twitter.com/scottnz411/status/1415781825012633600
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:36am
    - Tarquin North
      
      Looks like it’s going to be big up here in Whangarei. I’ll be there.
      
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      July 16, 2021 9:55am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Big turn out here in Helensville.
      
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      July 16, 2021 11:42am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Good trun out for Wellsford to Orewa too!
        
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        July 16, 2021 1:48pm
- Tall Man
  
  Poll now closed …..
  
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  July 16, 2021 11:39am
- JibberJabber
  
  Lol, @ 11.40 the voting is closed…fancy that…?
  
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  July 16, 2021 11:42am
Yvette

Jacinda just splashing our money around –
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced a whopping $2.5 billion package to ensure local councils are not only “no worse off”, but “better off” from the restructure of water assets.
The package comes on top of the $761 million committed to the reforms in 2020, and $296 million announced in Budget 2021 for the costs involved with the establishment and transition of the new water entities. – https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/07/jacinda-ardern-announces-2-5-billion-to-ensure-councils-are-better-off-from-three-waters-reforms.html

So $2.5 billion $761 million $296 million = $3.581 billion

As of August 2018, 73 Treaty of Waitangi settlements had been passed into law. The total value of all finalised settlements is $2.24 billion.

• “Imagine Aotearoa without good water, what a stink as place that would be …”
• There’s a MetService red warning in the region where dangerous river conditions and significant flooding is expected.
“Flooding is likely, as are slips and disruption to transport. Some communities could become isolated and livestock should be moved to high ground,” MetService has warned.
The weather agency expects 350 to 400mm of rain about the ranges, and 150 to 200mm about the coast. – 1 News

Just one of these 100 year events that seem to happen about every two weeks?
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July 16, 2021 8:43am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Imagine Aotearoa without good water, what a stink as place that would be …”
  
  I’d be OK with that. It’s a place that doesn’t exist.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:06am
  - Yvette
    
    Aotearoa is the Māori name for New Zealand. It was originally used by Māori in reference to only the North Island but, since the late 19th century, the word has come to refer to the whole archipelago. Several meanings have been proposed for the name; the most popular translation usually given is “long white cloud”, or variations thereof. This refers to the cloud formations which helped early Polynesian navigators find the country.
    
    “Land of the long white cloud” probably indicates that the country is unlikely to run out of water.
    Collaterally, however, it is a bit fucked as far as solar power goes.
    Having strung some Christmas lights high in trees bordering the back yard, and having not taken them down, I note that in the summer they are still blinking at 4am to 5 in the morning, but in winter (as now) they last only about 30 to 45 minutes after they come on. Not wildly scientific, but does make you wonder for those who think they can recharge their electric vehicles from any solar power they have installed?
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:30am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Aotearoa was barely heard 50 years ago. Its use now is a recent political imposition. Pity it cannot be pronounced. Even TV uses Arh-uh-teeauh-roeuh. Real whakamaori.
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:43am
  - Frank the tank
    
    As much as you and I hate it New Zealand will go the way of Rhodesia. We look the Zimbabwe (Aotearoa) to see where our future lies….
    
    The name change is part of the never ending progression to the third world.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:54am
    - Jack5
      
      … ~~progression~~ regression to the Third World …
      
      We’re going backwards fast, no question.
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:06am
- Nickc2
  
  Bribing NZ’s Labour aligned Mayors. Who would have thought?
  Never stand between a Labour aligned Mayor and a bucket of someone elses money.
  
  I saw a good cartoon the other day but can’t find it now but it was of Cindy saying her Govt would only borrow sufficient money to pay off our debt. That sums her up for me.
  
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  July 16, 2021 10:02am
Yabster

Any one catch the 3 new article on 3 waters last night and the $2.5 Billion dollar bribe, basically made out the Government was doing the council and rate payers a favour. No mention of the proposed boundaries being drawn up along iwi lines, no mention of the fact if it happens the infrastructure would be controlled by Iwi (50%) representation on the regulartory board – (Maori make up 10% of the population in the South Island) – democracy be damned.
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July 16, 2021 8:47am
- Nickc2
  
  Democracy be damned. There’s no such thing under socialism. That’s why Cindy’s mob don’t care.
  
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  July 16, 2021 10:06am
herb1

As we all know this Governments constant policy failures cost us huge money.
Unfortunately it’s not always easy to quantify the cost of these monumental cockups such as Kiwibuild,ending child poverty ,homelessness, Miq and border failures , lack of vaccines etc.
The Government is to adept at deflecting , disembling, obfuscating and lying for us to ever quantify these costs but yesterday the Prime Announcer told us the exact cost of just one policy failure.
$2.5 billion for the simple lack of doing the basic work to present a sound , coherent and well thought out plan to take over council water assets. Mahutas failure has lead to a bailout bribe of $2.5 billion because she didn’t do her bloody job properly.
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July 16, 2021 8:47am
Swifty

Wow.

A great column regarding a proposed ‘teaching anti-racism in schools’ exercise:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300349542/the-unreal-prospect-of-unteaching-racism
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July 16, 2021 8:48am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Note the kicker qualification by Stuff below it:
  
  “Editor’s note: In response to this column, we will be publishing a different opinion from an educator on Friday, 16 July. We’re also reviewing Stuff’s process behind publishing this article to determine if it aligns with our company charter and editorial code of practice and ethics.”
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:22am
  - Swifty
    
    Yeah I saw that.
    
    It puzzles me a bit. If they were having ‘concerns’, for whatever reason, you’d think they would withhold it until they had decided.
    
    Maybe they initially thought it fine, then someone complained, and now they’re racing to cover their butts.
    
    Either way it’s a bit of a slur on Paul Crowhurst who has, in my view, written a brave and welcome piece.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:38am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep, it was published as ready copy at 4am.
      
      Someone has read it and realises that Dr Crowhurst brings an international eye to NZ ‘s low decile school.
      
      Young people in Aotearoa are living in a less segregated, more affluent, more culturally aware society than ever before.
      
      Alas, his view shows up the insular, limited analysis that it is solely racism that holds backs young Maori from achieving at School.
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:00am
  - alex Masterley
    
    It will be interesting to see who the “educator” is.
    The author seems to have pretty good qualifications himself.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:55am
    - Swifty
      
      They’ve published this today:
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/125768446/unteach-racism-will-build-a-more-inclusive-aotearoa
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:05am
      - coge
        
        #Defundstuff
        
        Are they advocating re-education camps?
        
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        July 16, 2021 12:35pm
      - zulumonster
        
        Got the big guns out then!
        “Tania Fu is a Primary School Teacher in Auckland.”
        
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        July 16, 2021 4:07pm
  - Nickc2
    
    They’re worried about their agreement with the Govt and their share of the Govt’s propaganda payment.
    
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    July 16, 2021 10:11am
    - Swifty
      
      I reckon.
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:38am
  - Ehlana
    
    Not something you usually see at the bottom of their opinion pieces. Seems rather strange considering the writer of the piece is an educator.
    
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    July 16, 2021 12:10pm
Weetbix3ways

These are the eight levels of controls by Saul Alinsky to transform a nation through socialism into communism.
I read these and they sound disturbingly like NZ government policy to me.

1. Healthcare – control healthcare and you control the people.
2. Poverty – Increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you provide everything for them to live.
3. Debt – Increase the debt level to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes and this will produce more poverty.
4. Gun control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5. Welfare – Take control of every aspect (food, housing, income) of their lives because that will make them fully dependent on the government.
6. Education – Take control of what people read and listen to and take control or what children learn in school.
7. Religion – Remove belief in God from the government and schools because the people need to believe in only the government knowing what is best for the people.
8. Class warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. Eliminate the middle class.
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July 16, 2021 8:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  9. Tax anything you can get away with.
  Labour are doing very well thank you very much.
  
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  July 16, 2021 8:59am
- Nickc2
  
  We can’t say we weren’t warned. Cindy stated from the outset that she was a Progressive (Socialist).
  Yes, everything as stated in Weetbix’s post is ingrained in those whose aim is spreading Socialism/Communism throughout the western world. Look at Beijing Biden’s drive towards Socialism in the US. IMO, it’s a mirror image of what’s already happened/happening here.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:28am
- Ruahine
  
  10. Using taxpayer money reward your friends in the Media and have others banned, bullied and abused out of their employment. Thinking Sean Plunket and John Banks.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:29am
  - Inandout
    
    Rua, haven’t heard a peep from normally outspoken Sean.
    
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    July 16, 2021 10:12am
- Tall Man
  
  Or more simply, “divide and conquer” …. “give to the poor so they need you” … “take from the rich so they fear you”.
  
  Where have we heard those before?
  
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  July 16, 2021 11:24am
Rusty

When is our police going to be armed?

It seems like every week their is a gun related crime being committed somewhere in this country.

Our PM’s gun buy back scheme has done nothing to stop the crims getting hold of guns and using them on people.

Only the law abiding citizens handed in their weapons anyway while the crims kept theirs.

Don’t be surprised at more gun crimes carrying on in NZ for some time yet.
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July 16, 2021 8:51am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  There is a great difference between “police being armed” and “police being able to use firearms safely and effectively.”
  
  Giving a man a gun is the first step.
  Next you have to train him.
  Then he has to practice regularly and intensively.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So the Govt needs to do it, not just talk and form a ‘working group’
    The crime level is entirely the woke Govt’s and woke Police fault
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:56am
  - Tall Man
    
    Bang on.
    
    Training, better training, may also save a few lives.
    
    Profiling would also help but hey, isn’t that now so illegal that the poor cop has to mentally profile the suspect, identify him as “risky” then advance recklessly on the suspect to show that he’s “woke” …. FFS, the world has gone mad.
    
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    July 16, 2021 11:21am
Brian McDonald

There’s a FB group called Anti P Ministry run by an ex-gang member. It looks to be largely successful and holds rallies in small towns. A lot of members have been to the worst places possible because of P, its primary leader Brendan Warne is an ex-addict who passed his qualifications as a Minister but he is far from the ordinary. His work is extraordinary and he has been going for years with good success.
He like most will be concerned about the gun crime because whilst once it was a rare event it has become too common even without data the link top is strong, petty crime turning into major events over such things as hi-jacking cars, having firearms in a vehicle turning into a shooting event when the worst-case scenario was maybe 3 years turning to 20 plus.
I don’t know if toxicology tests are made on those arrested for such crimes but surely there must be some statistics at hand now. While at the same time groups like Warne’s support those wanting their lives back. Many members show before and after photos which are quite shocking and people often announce how long that has been off p, for many it is years.
Work for me now, but don’t hold off on the downticks before complaining to the mods about my support for those assisting the baby whale Toa.
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July 16, 2021 8:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Over half of the drug convictions in NZ in 2020 involved Meth.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/124607517/meth-convictions-hit-a-record-high-but-police-suggest-numbers-could-be-higher
  
  As Cops aren’t charging folks for indulging in P-smoking in their homes, I suspect those convicted of a drug charge have also been indulging in some other bad business.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:09am
  - MCos
    
    I don’t know who gets charged with regard to drug offenses.
    However.
    If users of prohibited drugs as well as dealers were to be charged without exception what would be done with everybody?
    The country, not just the court system, would be paralyzed.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:39am
    - Tall Man
      
      Oh well then, let’s review the entire criminal system and base convictions on “capacity” …
      
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      July 16, 2021 11:17am
      - MCos
        
        You don’t understand what my point is do you?
        
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        July 16, 2021 11:43am
      - Tall Man
        
        Do you?
        
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        July 16, 2021 12:28pm
    - cmm
      
      The point is to tackle the problem hard and effectively and not let it balloon out of control.
      
      Once it has ballooned out of control then it needs to be brought back under control. That is going to take more time and effort.
      
      So how could they do it with limited court facilities etc:
      1) Work longer: night courts etc too.
      2) Work smarter: courts are extremely long-winded. They could probably turn around cases much faster.
      
      And prisons: what’s wrong with smaller cells, container cells, etc etc.?
      
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      July 16, 2021 12:57pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  I have absolutely no idea what your point is.
  
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  July 16, 2021 11:10am
- Tall Man
  
  What bothers me about you is you have two areas to provide vocal support for, the perpetrators or the victims.
  
  Your choices show me you have little regard for the victims.
  
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  July 16, 2021 11:22am
UrbanNeocolonialist

Initial data out of Arizona forensic audit (Biden ‘won’ by 10400):
3,981 people voted despite registered after Oct 15 deadline
11,326 voted who were not on rolls on Nov 7 but were on Dec 4
18,000 voted and then were removed from rolls after election
74,243 mail-in ballots counted with no evidence of ballot ever being sent

They are currently running a final machine recount using 3rd party scanning equipment before they release their tabulated vote results, but prima facie there was large scale fuckery in Arizona as well as Georgia (and probably other swing states too) and it appears likely that Trump won Arizona.

Democrats in Arizona still stonewalling and ignoring subpoenas on some info required to complete audit. Looking very very guilty.
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July 16, 2021 8:59am
- Weetbix3ways
  
  Did you see about the Democrat politicians in Texas that left the state so that a quorum could not be formed to vote on a policy they knew would pass?
  The left is rotting slime.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And they did not wear required masks on the private planes.
    Apparently Texas Democrats have done this before. They are AWOL and should be prosecuted
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:49am
    - Inandout
      
      And they had a case of beer which would have required ID to purchase. The Dems are as thick as a plum pudding.
      
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      July 16, 2021 10:15am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Crazy stuff. I had to show my Passport to buy booze in Hawaii and Alaska. I was 65 ffs. Same for cigarettes and cough medicine. But ID for voting, not needed.
        Corrupt as fuck
        
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        July 16, 2021 11:03am
  - Nickc2
    
    rotting slime? You are far too benevolent.
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:49am
  - artemisia
    
    There is talk about the Democrat lawmakers being arrested when they return to the jobs they were elected for. And the Texas House Speaker has offered free return flights, no doubt secretly highly amused.
    
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    July 16, 2021 3:55pm
- virtualmark
  
  Look, if the CyberNinjas and the Arizona GQP think there was fraud then bring the evidence to a court.
  
  Except I’ll wager $100 they never will because (a) the facts aren’t as they suggest, (b) there are simple factual explanations that any legal defence would crucify them with and (c) they’ve completely f*%ked up the chain of custody of any “evidence”.
  
  But if they’re not prepared to put the “evidence” in front of a judge then I have only one word for you all … cult.
  
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  July 16, 2021 1:40pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Good grief your argument is that there is no fraud because they have not proven fraud that they are being implacably prevented from investigating. Utterly nuts.
    
    They have had to fight tooth and nail against State democrat and in some cases Rino stonewalling and threats from the DNC controlled federal govt and govt institutions for 8 months to get access to documents that would allow them to prove fraud, even now they have still not been given access to essential information that judge ordered handed over 5 months back. (Nothing to hide right?)
    
    What we are seeing now from Georgia and Arizona is the result of a very long hard fight to be allowed to investigate, and surprise surprise the evidence long expected on the back of 1000’s of election observer affidavits and published analyses of weird election data anomalies is being backed up by close inspection of ballots.
    
    But the analysis needs to be as complete as possible before going to courts (given how eager they are to ignore the fraud and the heat it will bring on them), and that means somehow overcoming the (DNC and ‘deep-state’) roadblocks preventing access to the needed data – The auditors have never stopped asking for it and have done what they can to get access to it, releasing preliminary results like these has obviously been compelled by the need to gain the political backing necessary to force the rest of the data to be released.
    
    What possible justification is there for preventing comprehensive (preferably bipartisan) auditing to ensure that there wasn’t fuckery – other than guilty knowledge that there was.
    
    You are backing the baddies.
    
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    July 16, 2021 2:40pm
    - virtualmark
      
      No credible independent investigation has found any evidence of fraud. Certainly not large-scale fraud like is being alleged.
      
      This Maricopa audit was a partisan hack job from the beginning … from the Republican state senators who initiated it, to the CyberNinjas who were clearly partisan and had no credibility in conducting any sort of audit, to the “Let’s look for bamboo fibres”, to the “Let’s take everything to a cabin in Montana”.
      
      All of that against a backdrop of over 60 failed law suits, a “Kraken” that quickly turned into calamari, and an insurrection that tried to overturn a fair election.
      
      Muppets. Partisan political hack muppets.
      
      All of it in service of a big lie from a malignant narcissist who desperately wanted to remain President so as to avoid criminal prosecution. But many of you love him because he speaks to your prejudices and hatreds, and he says mean things about the people you don’t like. How shallow.
      
      If Trump shot someone on 5th Avenue many of you would be lining up shouting “Me next, me next”.
      
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      July 16, 2021 5:04pm
  - artemisia
    
    It would be a good thing to have the evidence pro and con presented and argued in court, on the record. That would either encourage other audits to quietly fold tents, or not so quiet mayhem.
    
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    July 16, 2021 4:00pm
- Vory v zakone
  
  Meanwhile in Pennsylvania…
  
  There were 423,116 votes subtracted from Donald Trump in the Pennsylvania data.
  
  If you look at the data for Allegheny County, 145,000 absentee votes were deleted for Trump. Over 27,000 votes were also removed from Trump’s election day votes.
  
  In Chester County, Trump loses over 41,000 votes from his election day vote totals and nearly 50,000 votes from his absentee vote totals. In total, over 91,000 votes are subtracted from Trump.
  
  In Lehigh County, Trump receives an initial 66,179 votes which are then taken away from his vote total.
  
  Voting is an additive process – you count the votes – and add them up.
  
  So, why are 423,116 votes subtracted from Donald Trump in Pennsylvania’s election data❓
  
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  July 16, 2021 3:50pm
Maggie Pie

I’ve heard some of the girls at Tennis saying things like…..”feeling as welcome as a ham sandwich in a Synagogue”

Well, turns out it could be kosher after-all…..

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1415773984583561216
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July 16, 2021 9:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  2700 years ago they prob ate whatever they could get their hands on
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:04am
Tony Stuart

If farmers, growers, contactors, tradies, ute owners and the general public needed any further motivation to turn out for #AHowlOfAProtest today, David Parker has arrogantly provided it:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/07/groundswell-protest-david-parker-says-don-t-expect-backdown-from-government-commitments.html?fbclid=IwAR3hTmPtl_3U15PPG162pzlIXdmt-ahhfNfSt3mUXreenkmZ2SJwr32P1-c
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July 16, 2021 9:10am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Is this Ardern’s plan?
The Real Reason They Want to Memorialize the Criminal George Floyd.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?extid=SEO—-&v=1062863537578565
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July 16, 2021 9:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/fbi-releases-picture-of-suspect-in-lightning-attack-on-george-floyd-memorial?
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July 16, 2021 9:33am
rjay

I see most of the funding for media is going towards “training” journalists
https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/news/first-funding-injection-public-interest-journalism-boosts-reporting-and-training-across-motu/
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July 16, 2021 9:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Indoctrinating” journalists
  
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  July 16, 2021 10:19am
  - Jack5
    
    It’s race biased and out to boost separatism.
    
    In the piece RJAY links to in his post is this:
    
    The largest training programme will provide the country’s first comprehensive Maori and diverse voices journalism cadetship scheme to train and hire 25 new journalists. Te Rito is a collaboration between Māori Television, Newshub, NZME, and Pacific Media Network and 11 other supporting media organisations. Another large scale scheme Pipi Paopao will deliver regional workshops for more than 100 iwi radio staff, to strengthen Māori public interest journalism.
    
    If you subscribe to the NZME-owned NZ Herald, is some of your subscription going to this?
    
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    July 16, 2021 10:38am
    - cmm
      
      One way or the other, it all comes out of tax-payer pockets.
      
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      July 16, 2021 1:50pm
- cmm
  
  Is this because 12 years at school and 3 years at uni isn’t long enough to teach them how to construct a basic sentence?
  
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  July 16, 2021 1:49pm
- 3-coil
  
  rjay – it looks like DPF@Kiwiblog forgot to apply?
  
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  July 16, 2021 2:06pm
Maggie Pie

He thort this might be worth sharing with the group?

My partner re-tweets….

https://twitter.com/EvilArthurFleck/status/1415550399054901248
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July 16, 2021 9:41am
I remember when

West Coast Messenger: On the Street:
Would you buy an e-car?
“Definitely not.”
“No, not while I live on the Coast.”
“No, I wouldn’t buy an electric car.”
“No, I wouldn’t buy one – I don’t like them.”
“”No – you have to keep charging them, and where to plug them in.”
“No, I wouldn’t buy one – wouldn’t be any better off.”
So I guess, as Labour and the Greens would say, results are mixed.
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July 16, 2021 9:47am
- Jack5
  
  Electric vehicles on the West Coast will be useless when the alpine fault makes it overdue big crack and power lines tumble.
  
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  July 16, 2021 10:03am
  - SGA
    
    Given what the big crack is likely do to the roads and one-way bridges on the WC, I’m not sure it would make a huge difference 🙂
    
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    July 16, 2021 10:49am
  - MCos
    
    If, on the unprecedented event, the Coast had no electricity, they’d all be in the shit whatever car they had.
    
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    July 16, 2021 10:54am
    - sooty
      
      But with a petrol one they could live in it and keep warm!
      
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      July 16, 2021 11:44am
    - Jack5
      
      Not an unprecedented huge quake, MCos. There have been several, and the Coast is due for another one.
      
      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-22/massive-nz-earthquake-expected-in-next-50-years/13407758
      
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      July 16, 2021 3:19pm
- Trev
  
  DOC boss Lou Sanson had to be rescued twice when his electric vehicle ran out of charge whilst commuting from Wellington to New Plymouth. I don’t think MSM published this fact? Electric vehicles are useless in rural areas where there are no or insufficient charging points and their battery performance is poor in cold wx. Some gvt agencies who have been forced to use electric vehicles are carrying backup petrol/diesel generators. DOC Stewart Island is one example that made the news. We are burning dirty Indonesian coal and running generators to help keep electric cars running. Doesn’t that defeat the purpose?
  
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  July 16, 2021 10:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes,
    it got a light-hearted write-up
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/lou-sansons-excellent-electric-adventure-and-the-lessons-learned/SIWDN6HNEFSLI25VJ5YMOCK23E/
    
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    July 16, 2021 11:41am
    - alex Masterley
      
      I am not sure Sanson is cut out to leave the safety of an urban built up area.
      
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      July 16, 2021 3:04pm
Gravelroad

Interesting to see the number of people here who have been told they must not attend this protest in company branded vehicles.
There is a real fear out there that there will be some sort of reprisals from this kind government and the corporates.
A rural based organisation to which I belong also sent out a message to all members telling them not to go in branded clothing or as representatives of that organisation.
I object to that.
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July 16, 2021 9:49am
- Lance
  
  It’s not like leftist have a history of taking down names to exact revenge at a later date……. no…. wait.
  
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  July 16, 2021 10:15am
- Surely Knott
  
  It’s very telling isn’t it. Why do you think so many on here post using a pseudonym.
  
  Go farmers and groundswell protestors today you have our support
  
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  July 16, 2021 10:28am
- MCos
  
  Here’s an example for you.
  Someone from The Surveying Company is using a company vehicle with a sign comparing the PM to Stalin, which is a bit extreme.
  Last year that company received taxpayers money as part of the wage subsidy scheme.
  In NZ it’s a bit of a bad joke.
  Under Stalin things might have been a bit more serious down at KGB HQ.
  https://twitter.com/nealejones/status/1415812935646023682?s=21
  
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  July 16, 2021 12:01pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Probably should cover the branding, unless the boss support the signage.
    Should not be prevented from going, but corporate policy should be a matter for the business itself.
    If any business wants to do this openly, then all good – but be aware that the Twitterati are watching…
    
    And on the taking of the wage subsidy, that is not a payment for silence. That was a payment from the government since the government FORCED many businesses to stop operating.
    The money wasn’t conditional on having expressed love or being beholden to the government thereafter.
    
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    July 16, 2021 3:47pm
    - MCos
      
      There’s plenty of countries that had lockdowns without compensation.
      But getting back to why we had the compensation. It’s the nature of the society we live in irrespective of the party in power.
      
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      July 16, 2021 5:14pm
- kevn
  
  @Gravel… A woke opportuniddy.
  
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  July 16, 2021 1:44pm
Jack5

Am I the only one who missed, until last night, any TVNZ mention of the internet runaway music hit related to New Zealand – the Wellerman sea shanty?

Versions have now collectively reached over 100 million views on YouTube. It’s an old New Zealand sea shanty no-one I know had heard before it was revived recently by a Scots music enthusiast.

Those who have recorded versions range from the Vienna Boys’ Choir to the US Navy Band, from a Ukrainian in a tartan shirt to Germans as pirates and to young women performing modern dance to the song.

The shanty’s about Weller brothers whaling crews in Otago in the 1820s and 1830s, about their supply ship from Sydney, and about a whale chase.

The Wellerman YouTube videos are mostly compiled on TikTok, on which people make, share, compile videos.

At the end of last night’s news our State TV presented an NZ version of Wellerman. It was of a young Maori group.

Unlike the YouTube versions that broadly keep to whaling and seafaring, these young Maori folk turned Wellerman into a propaganda push for New Zealanders to learn Maori language and pronounce Maori place names correctly.

That’s cultural appropriation on a grand scale by TVNZ.

It contrasts with TVNZ’s tut-tutting about cultural appropriation back in the day when violent Maori activists attacked and injured Auckland engineering students in pseudo-grass skirts who were performing a haka lookalike for some satirical purpose.

By the way, has anyone seen anything on TVNZ about Jacinda’s $2 million handout to the criminal gang, the Mongrel Mob?
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July 16, 2021 9:56am
Maggy Wassilieff

This morning I heard the PM speaking about the informal virtual APEC meeting she is going to chair tonight.

I thought I heard her say ” Yes, it’s extraordinary that we’ve bought this meeting together.”

So I thought I’d check….

And it is true (around 2:49 in)
https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018804209

Either our PM doesn’t know the difference between
bought and brought…
or WE are Paying $$$$ to Putin, Xi Jin Ping and our APEC buddies.
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July 16, 2021 10:18am
- DeepBlue
  
  Possibly both. We are selling out to the highest bidder all over the place, that’s called buying influence.
  
  The sooner these superpowers offer JA a world leadership role the better.
  
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  July 16, 2021 10:28am
- Jack5
  
  Maggy, Jacindarella would have been talking to her media.
  
  “Bought” would have been in her mind.
  
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  July 16, 2021 10:34am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

On the Bridge. Geez, we need a tractor and dogs only bridge.
https://twitter.com/TaxpayersUnion/status/1415785210923286529/photo/1
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July 16, 2021 10:30am
Swifty

White lefties and the KKK in full agreement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoxU_iWCov8

Blacks not so much….
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July 16, 2021 10:36am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING>>>

This is sooo funny I just had to share 😀 😀 😀

Spain’s own version of President Trump tweets….

https://twitter.com/ilSharko/status/1415790526545211394
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July 16, 2021 10:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

Surprise, surprise…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/125733642/bad-news-for-borrowers-as-annual-inflation-balloons-to-33
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July 16, 2021 11:05am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Soz Maggy – bit of a repeat below – edit lag.
  
  Interestingly the NZD/USD has only moved up ~.2 % which I find a surprisingly muted response for such a big deviation. Maybe printed $ inflation rather than true GDP induced inflation being suspected?
  
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  July 16, 2021 11:24am
  - rockape
    
    Inflation with real growth sees the dollar rise. Inflation with false growth because the economy is being pumped instills no confidence.
    
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    July 16, 2021 12:09pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Agreed rock. I should’ve made my cynercism clearer with a //s. ?
      
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      July 16, 2021 1:41pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Other currencies falling away?
    
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    July 16, 2021 4:40pm
70andstilllearning

“Bad news for borrowers as annual inflation balloons to 3.3%”

“Annual inflation has hit a near 10-year high of 3.3 per cent after prices rose by a shock 1.3 per cent in the three months to the end of June.

The inflation figures released by Stats NZ were much higher than expected by forecasters and appear likely to cement expectations the Reserve Bank will raise the Official Cash Rate to 0.5 per cent next month.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/125733642/bad-news-for-borrowers-as-annual-inflation-balloons-to-33

Wonder whether Robbo & Cindy saw this coming LOL.
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July 16, 2021 11:11am
- [email protected]
  
  I thought that an increase in inflation of 1.3% in three months was an annual increase of 5.2% not 3.3%. Someone please educate me on how inflation is calculated.
  
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  July 16, 2021 7:28pm
Maggie Pie

NewstalkZB….Liam Dan

“Bad news for borrowers as inflation rises to highest level in 10 years”

LOL!! No mention of those with TD’s then?
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July 16, 2021 11:19am
bythesea

Misogynist mayor of Lower Hutt.

Stand Up for Women wanted to host a meeting in council facilities. His response:

Lower Hutt Mayor Campbell Barry posted on Facebook last week saying: “If this group needs a venue in the Hutt, I’ve got some nice new waste bins they can use?”

What a total sh*t this guy is.
How did we end up at this place where an elected official feels complete confidence abusing parts of his constituency.

The victim hierarchy is concrete in this guy’s head.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/speak-up-for-women-controversy-billboard-removed-mayor-apologises/CGUGDIAATDU3CCE56TUMCMJOQM/
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July 16, 2021 11:49am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The US should create an exchange program with Cuba. Cubans that want freedom and the American dream can come, and those in the US who want socialism can go to Cuba.
Sounds like a good deal to me. Quite a few NZ socialists can go too
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July 16, 2021 12:19pm
- Weetbix3ways
  
  I’d even pitch in to help them buy their one-way tickets.
  
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  July 16, 2021 12:33pm
Maggie Pie

Just having an iced cinnamon scroll with a Moccona coffee .
Thinking to myself…. what on earth would the ‘MP for Tijuana’ be doing at the moment while he’s sitting around pulling 4k a week off the taxpayer?
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July 16, 2021 12:34pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Tijuana is Cocaine cartel central, just sayin’.
  
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  July 16, 2021 1:13pm
JibberJabber

Get in quick before they close the voting,
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/07/have-your-say-should-the-government-loosen-environmental-regulations-in-face-of-farmer-protests.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

68% yes @ 12.40
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July 16, 2021 12:42pm
JibberJabber

Hi
@nzlabour
, could you stop hitting farmers in the back pocket please? That would be great.

https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/1415789215309209604
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July 16, 2021 12:48pm
Goon

Chompers not the most popular person in pootown #5 right about now. Funny AAF….tractors, utes, dogs and good folks throwing shade everywhere.

Mind you doesn’t appear she is universally popular overseas either (check out the comments…)

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/07/14/the-prime-minister-of-new-zealand/
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July 16, 2021 12:52pm
JibberJabber

From the Twitter,
Without Farming you’d be hungry, naked and sober…?
https://twitter.com/maz_righthand/status/1415796167342845953
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July 16, 2021 1:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  As I said earlier, if you had breakfast, thank a farmer and a truckie.
  The food did not get to the supermarket on public transport
  
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  July 16, 2021 1:44pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  When Tova brought the sign to Cindy’s attention, she quipped….
  
  “Let them eat cake”
  
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  July 16, 2021 2:09pm
I remember when

What do plants need to grow?
In addition to sunlight, water and proper temperature, plants need certain nutrients from the soil to grow their different vegetable parts.
For example, plants need potassium for root development, nitrogen for healthy leaves, and phosphorus for flower development.
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July 16, 2021 1:37pm
- rangitoto
  
  They also need atmospheric CO2. Don’t tell the vegans that their food contains byproducts of the horrible CO2. Oh noes!
  
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  July 16, 2021 1:42pm
Maggie Pie

MagicTalk has already raised over 300k to assist ‘CHILD CANCER’

And in case you were wondering what $2.75 million buys….

https://twitter.com/simonjbridges/status/1336899416389603329
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July 16, 2021 1:52pm
cmm

Pietermaritzburg & Durban in KZN, South Africa, are now taking stock of the mess they are in as well as many surrounding towns.

Factories, warehouses and shops have been looted and burned. People are starting to go hungry.

Unbelievably, most people do not have any stocks of food at home. Basic prepping is a basic survival tactic even in NZ – in South Africa it is essential.

This is going to bite hard in the next few days and hungry people will go looking for food where they think they might find it (even if it isn’t there): in more affluent suburbs – mainly white and Indian.

Some politicians are really trying to push for a racial conflict – especially Zulus against Indians. In the 1940s the Zulus ran amok in Indian areas killing, raping and looting. Indians went into Zulu areas and gave them some back. These animosities are still felt by some and there some politicians would find it politically expedient if this happened again.

FYI: This is where my grandparents had their farm until they were kicked out by apartheid laws in the the 1960s. Not quite the picture it was:
https://www.google.com/maps/@-29.586298,30.415626,3a,75y,289.49h,75.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgY5cAH0H21ldNgFXKwbczw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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July 16, 2021 2:18pm
- cmm
  
  Correction: My grandparents were kicked off that land in the early 1950s (legislated in 1950). By then my grandfather was dead so it was really just my grandmother.
  
  Of course there is a huge deal made about Blacks, Coloured and Indian people who were kicked off their land but nobody seems to remember that White people were kicked off their land too.
  
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  July 16, 2021 4:57pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I saw Lester Piggott win on Milkwood at Scottsville in 1975. Has the racecourse closed?
    
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    July 16, 2021 5:57pm
theoldbloke

MIQ is still a joke.
I am currently in MIQ for the 2nd time(1st last October which was actually better)

No there is not a shortage of staff. Or there wouldn’t be if they got their systems shit together.

I have been in systems and processes for over 30 years. Including 7 years in hospitality- think tour groups of 100!!
Its appalling and ridiculous the MIQ systems are. Inefficiency at its highest level!!!! Its a ferkin joke!

Went thru the MIQ process in Cambodia. Yep nominally a 3rd world country. Fast & efficient. Makes NZ MIQ look like dickheads.

NZ MIQ From handling arriving passengers to doing the swabs.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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July 16, 2021 3:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  State Sector Employees, they do not give a shit. Go to work to eat their lunch and get a payslip
  
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  July 16, 2021 3:23pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And some spend their day finding ways to fuck up the workers …
    
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    July 16, 2021 9:25pm
Inandout

President Joe has phoned Jacinda and praised her for the handling of C19. Can just imagine the WH scene.
Joe: Honey, have just been on the phone to some woman, can’t recall her name.
Jill: That was Ms Ardern, PM of Aotearoa.
Joe: She seemed nice and young and..
Jill: She is getting married soon Joe.
Joe: Am I invited to the wedding, I have been vaccinated?
Jill: Your Milo is ready.
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July 16, 2021 3:15pm
- cmm
  
  I suspect Joe is more of a Horlicks man.
  
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  July 16, 2021 3:28pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bad, bad boy cmm
    
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    July 16, 2021 3:40pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I see what you did there … Kamala in a cup maybe 😉
    
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    July 16, 2021 3:59pm
    - cmm
      
      Geez TM: I don’t think I’ll ever be able to have a warm milk-based drink again.
      
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      July 16, 2021 5:01pm
I remember when

Think the Labour Government have seriously underestimated the ‘Groundswell.’
I haven’t seen this many farmers, tractors, utes, industrial vehicles together since the Field Days.
An awful lot of people, largely farmers, talking about what’s wrong with the Government.
Don’t see how it can possibly be good for Labour.
Wouldn’t want to be in one of those blue to red seats.
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July 16, 2021 3:29pm
- cmm
  
  It probably isn’t too bad for them either:
  1) Farmers are typically not Labour supporters, so no votes lost.
  2) Farmers are a small % of the population, so no votes lost.
  3) Labour have been driving a wedge between rural and cities for ages with classic them vs us divisiveness. Filthy farmers filling our clean rivers with muck, cruel people who exploit our 4 footed brothers and sisters, climate change criminals, etc etc.
  
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  July 16, 2021 3:36pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And the sewage from the big cities (1.7M Auckland) goes …..
    After having a feed the city people buy more food to shit out. Btw, I grew up on a dairy farm
    
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    July 16, 2021 3:52pm
    - cmm
      
      Yup, but you’re talking about reality – not the bullshit sold to the punters through the media.
      
      Ask a bunch of people in Auckland who makes the water dirty and they’ll say farmers. They won’t realise that it is their turds washing up on Auckland beaches.
      
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      July 16, 2021 4:47pm
  - Tall Man
    
    A small drift back from the labour voters who moved to labour in 2020 and cindy is gone.
    
    Look at some of the margins in the south island seats.
    
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    July 16, 2021 3:58pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      There are a few in the leafy places who now wish they did not vote Green – and many farmers (male and female) who wish they did not vote Labour.
      Socialism worked out well for them
      
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      July 16, 2021 4:36pm
    - cmm
      
      Seats do not win elections. What really matters is the proportional voting part of the ballot.
      
      For the most part, all seats do is change the party make up and even then not by much because most marginal MPs are probably on the list anyway.
      
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      July 16, 2021 4:45pm
      - Tall Man
        
        The margins are a great indicator though and they have shrunk.
        
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        July 17, 2021 10:49am
  - greybeard
    
    “2) Farmers are a small % of the population, so no votes lost.”
    
    Add to “farmers” the hundreds of thousands of other horticulturalists, vintners, market gardeners, orchardists, transport operators, rural delivery contractors, many and varied rural and farm contractors, shearers, vets, stock & station companies & agents, motor vehicle dealers, fuel suppliers, fertiliser suppliers, fencing suppliers etc etc.
    Plus beekeepers, aquaculturalists and foresters.
    
    God: get all those people together and there could be a new political party before 2023:
    “The Country Party”.
    
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    July 16, 2021 4:21pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Amazing. The left think farmers pull a few tits, and roll up dead grass into those huge green/white marshmello things.
      Fuck they are stupid
      
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      July 16, 2021 4:42pm
    - cmm
      
      Yup, but how many of them were voting Labour?
      
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      July 16, 2021 4:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Cancel culture alive and well in the Whitehouse.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/critics-slam-psaki-white-houseconsulting-facebook-flag-misinformation?
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July 16, 2021 3:41pm
cmm

What horseshit.

We’re supposed to believe the sounds of gunfire were so loud because they came from a very nasty military-style semi-automatic firearm.

What nonsense. Common centre fire rifles & shotguns all have about the same peak decibel levels with higher power rifles (30-06 and up) being twice as loud as AR15s etc.

Damn nonsense fear porn.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hamilton-shooting-neighbour-recalls-windows-of-home-vibrating-from-gunshot-sound/WCOJBZY7QLMCP42NEPVOT4TWN4/
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July 16, 2021 4:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A 44 revolver is quite loud – especially in the silence of Alaska.
  Makes big holes too
  
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  July 16, 2021 4:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  You’re right, it’s the shell that makes the noise, amplified by the barrel, not the mechanism.
  
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  July 16, 2021 9:22pm
Gravelroad

Proud of our province’s great farmer and supporters turn out at the protest today.
Hundreds of tractors, utes, other rural related vehicles and cars as well. They assembled on the outskirts of town from two directions.
The bigger of the two convoys stretched several kilometres to the town centre.
At least 1000 people gathered in the town square in what is a small provincial centre – in front of the District Council buildings.
Interestingly, not one of the 6 rural ward based elected councillors turned up to support the people who voted for them . No local mayor either.
Too busy hobnobbing with the elites at the local government conference to spare a few minutes to speak to the peasants.
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July 16, 2021 5:02pm
Tauhei Notts

THe best placard I saw today was rather lengthy.
“Jacinda has never been seen running around in the jungle shooting people, but Mugabe is her role model.”
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