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Happychappy

National accuses Government of p
‘Pumped up’ housing figures after revelations only half of our state housing are new under this Government.
Less than half the 8,000 new public houses Labour claims to have delivered, actually added to the national housing stock- the rest were largely bought or leased on the private market pitting the Government against first- home buyers.
The Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern often points to Labours State and transitional house program and its target of adding 18,000 new public places as a fix for the housing crisis, but figures show that of the 7,934public homes added by the Government 3,716 are actually “new” the remainder were mainly existing homes purchased or leased on private market.
The figures come amid a severe housing crisis with medium National house prices now hitting $820,000 and our housing costs amongst the most overvalued in the developed world.
National Party Housing Spokeswoman Nicola Willis said the Government was using “pumped up ” figures and needed to ensure it was was not adding to the crisis by buying homes on the open Market.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-accuses-government-of-pumped-up-housing-figures-after-revelations-only-half-of-houses-are-new/J6IWS6GCEVXO5W2FVHSSQXRRXA/
When will New Zealander’s wake to the fact that the Labour Government is actually one of the biggest problems here with Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister allowing Megan Woods our Housing Minister to buy homes by competing with your and other people children on the open market driving up house prices and hammering another nail in in the coffin of future generations being able to afford a house for their families.
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July 27, 2021 8:00am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The irony here is that, as Labour clamours for more affordable homes, the government’s own housing agency is out in the housing market with blank cheques, pricing affordable house aspirants out of the market.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:04am
  - Cinematic
    
    And when is a journalist going to point out that the last government was Labour?
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:38am
  - Maxx
    
    Don’t forget while vilifying investors.
    
    S&P’s report for Kainga Ora from earlier this year where they lifted their credit rating makes for interesting reading, predicting that KO will increase it’s net-debt figure by $2-2.3bil per annum adding approx. 1-2000 homes per annum to their stock. For those without a calculator handy, that’s $1-2mil of additional debt per residence added. All this new debt will see KO’s Debt/EBITDA ratio go from 6.2 now to 20.4.
    
    Why would S&P increase their credit rating then if they’re on a massive spend up fuelled by debt? Says right in the report – you and I secure it.
    
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    July 27, 2021 10:06am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I’m the very last person to defend anything this government has done or intends to do, but the ratio of debt to EBITDA is meaningless. It’s like the ratio of fish to bicycles.
      
      The ratio of debt to assets is one of the important metrics, as well as cashflow i.e. the ability to service the debt (if that’s what it’s required to do – might just be a blank cheque from ~~the government~~ you and me to under-write it all).
      
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      July 27, 2021 11:00am
      - Maxx
        
        I was going to talk debt to assets but I would look at that as being equally useless in a market where everyone states property (asset) prices are unsustainable. That also points to KO being a high risk venture with those being their only assets, again not worthy of the S&P rating they have.
        
        So again, the only thing sustaining their credit rating is that you and I guarantee it.
        
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        July 27, 2021 12:15pm
      - Graeme Hall
        
        Please correct but I think of EBITDA as an accounting-adjusted cashflow estimate, so the ratio of net debt to EBITDA would be related to interest cover – a measure of how many times the interest expense on net debt is covered by this adjusted cashflow. The more cover, the safer the debt is. However, maybe you are right, individual Govt Depts don’t need to worry about credit ratings.
        
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        July 27, 2021 1:07pm
- artemisia
  
  But it’s all about the circular economy these days – reduce, reuse, recycle.
  
  Buy from the private sector >> current tenants look elsewhere as instructed by the Finance Minister >>that elsewhere can be the motels or social housing waiting list >>reduced rent.
  
  Perfick.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:25am
  - Maxx
    
    Labour are really good at reducing the housing stock, reusing old excuses, and recycling their voters.
    
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    July 27, 2021 10:07am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Can we recycle the Labour, Green & Maori benches too?
    
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    July 27, 2021 11:05am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      They’re only good for the landfill
      
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      July 27, 2021 1:36pm
- Yabster
  
  someone posted a twitter feed of 4 houses in Chch being bought for $16m by housing NZ -Market value a fraction of that- can that person repost the link?
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:29am
  - artemisia
    
    I didn’t see that news but willing buyer / willing seller = market value. Sounds like a very very willing seller.
    
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    July 27, 2021 11:42am
- backster
  
  Happy…..You don’t seem to understand the Government’s goal is to create Dependency on the Government not individual endeavour and ambition among especially the young.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:50am
  - Happychappy
    
    Just like this backster
    Government tweaks ‘key tool’s for housing vulnerable New Zealander’s sparking fears of homelessness.
    The Governments decision to tweak a “key tool” for housing vulnerable kiwis is sparking fear it forse hundreds of families to remain homeless.
    The tool , known as redirect community housing providers (CHPs) helping fund the lease of private property through multi year contracts , for vulnerable New Zealander’s, the CHP arranges a lease witha property owner to house a family, who contribute 25 % of their income paying rent, with the Government paying the rest, has helped curb the homeless crisis one CHP says.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/07/government-tweaks-key-tool-for-housing-vulnerable-new-zealanders-sparking-fears-for-homeless.html
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:21am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    The Labour Government depends on the support of the poor, so it’s in their interest to create more of them.
    
    It’s in Nationals interest to create LESS poor people…
    
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    July 27, 2021 10:21am
- Paulus
  
  People will only wake to these facts if it only affects you.
  Human nature has taught us to be entirely selfish, not kind like our Queen Jacinda.
  Remember currently she will be with us for at least another two years and she has an electoral mandate to do whatever she wants despite destroying a large part of the fabric of New Zealand – and she may well be here longer.
  So keep being kind for her.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:50am
  - tf78
    
    Paulus, you have to be cruel to be kind – is that Jacinda’s sort of ‘kind’.
    
    My mother always said “if you feel sorry for someone, you end up feeling sorry for yourself”. That has proved to be true over and over.
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:33am
  - Bob
    
    Paulus,….
    Adern and Labour DO NOT have a mandate to change anything in the country. They campaigned without any policies; it was a campaign of ‘we are Covid’, and nothing else.
    She has taken advantage of the naivety of the sheeple to introduce her communist Agenda
    
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    July 27, 2021 11:14am
    - Paulus
      
      Not having a mandate is irrelevant – they will do whatever they want and cannot be stopped.
      53% of voters say so !
      
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      July 27, 2021 1:17pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The whole idea that the number of houses owned by the government represents correlates to people being helped is faulty. The media don’t seem able (or don’t want) to get their heads around that.
  
  National sold houses to private social housing providers charging below market rents and somehow ended up the bad guys for ‘selling off state houses’.
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:18am
  - artemisia
    
    That is correct NK, and also tenants qualify for income related rent heavily subsidised by taxpayers.
    
    The reasoning behind those many sales was that local community housing providers are in a better position to support local tenants, though still constrained by centrally managed waiting list priorities and contracted responsibilities.
    
    However it does look like the contracts are time limited – there was an example recently in the Wairarapa where homes were onsold to the private sector and tenants required to vacate.
    
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    July 27, 2021 11:00am
- lastmanstanding
  
  More lies from Fake Cindy.
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:07am
fernglas

When the virus gets loose in South Auckland, and starts killing, these stupid, stupid people will complain about how unfairly they have been treated by the system. They will want Jacinda to protect them by locking the country down.
Please tell them to fuck off.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-scramble-to-fill-places-for-mass-vaccination/XZSRYUZUIYJTB3NGXZ54IUKBQ4/
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July 27, 2021 8:00am
- Tall Man
  
  I understand your position on this but almost all the dying in the US and the UK have been vaccinated.
  
  It seems a large number of the positive cases in Australia have also been vaccinated.
  
  This is because their time on this earth is up and being vaccinated or not has little effect.
  
  I still maintain that the most vulnerable, and we have a few, in New Zealand will die when covid finally arrives as their time is up.
  
  We should have retained open borders much like Sweden, employed palliative covid treatments and faced the fact that some would die and would be counted as a “blip” in the annual death toll of 30,000 odd.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:11am
  - fernglas
    
    If that’s your response, you clearly don’t understand my position, which is not whether or not vaccines are effective, or whether New Zealand should have adopted another strategy, but that people who have not taken up the offer of vaccination will complain bitterly that they have not been fairly treated when they suddenly decide that they want one.
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:23am
    - Tall Man
      
      I do follow your thought so sorry for not making mine clearer.
      
      I think that as time moves on the efficacy of the vaccines will be questioned more and more and people will come to understand that if you are highly vulnerable vaccination will not save you.
      
      Therefore people will not be regretting their decision to vaccinate or not, apart from the idiots and yes, there are quite a few.
      
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      July 27, 2021 8:42am
      - Crisplion
        
        Tall Man, I have no idea how effective any if the vaccines are, or how prevalent their deleterious side effects. However, in countries like the US and the UK, where most people have been vaccinated – and given that no vaccine for anything is 100% effective – it’s to be expected that most new cases occur in vaccinated people – and yes, some of them will die. This is even more the case for a disease like COVID, which is sometimes (often?) symptomless in the young and where vaccination efforts have therefore concentrated on the old, because probably close to 100% of old people in those countries have been vaccinated. This more or less guarantees that most new cases – and especially most deaths – will occur in vaccinated people. If the people at risk of dying are all vaccinated, then all the people who die will ipso facto also be vaccinated.
        
        The real question is, how much has the vaccine reduced the overall infection rate?
        
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        July 27, 2021 9:46am
      - alloytoo
        
        I think the lack of meaningful conversation around reliable therapies is disturbing.
        
        Vaccines may blunt the severity of the case, but so do some medicines, and it’s immoral and frankly evil to dismiss some effective drugs because Trump advocated them.
        
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        July 27, 2021 1:23pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Crispie, I 100% agree and from what I have read so far it would seem that the vaccine has had almost zero impact in reducing infection.
        
        The claim that it is reducing the impact is not based on reality but feelz as it is oatently obvious that the first and second waves pretty much eliminated the highly vulnerable so it is to be expected that the third and fourth waves would generate less deaths per infection. If that makes sense to you ….
        
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        July 27, 2021 2:13pm
      - Crisplion
        
        Tall Man, your argument is certainly plausible, although it’s very difficult to get any hard evidence. In part, this is because the media is so derelict in its duty to ask hard questions of politicians and health officials.
        
        I’ve been caught in the Victorian lockdown (I’m finally coming home on Thursday evening unless something unforeseen occurs) and I’ve been struck by how relentless the Australian media – especially the ABC – is in shaming anyone who questions the official narrative. Democracy and science alike rely on people being willing to ask hard questions and voice unpopular opinions. So good on you for doing that, and thank goodness for Kiwiblog, where we can at least have open discussions.
        
        On that note, Happy Birthday Kiwiblog! And congratulations to DPF for his fine contribution to public discourse.
        
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        July 27, 2021 3:23pm
    - Cinematic
      
      Yep, some people eat too much, don’t use their seatbelt, swim outside the flags. It’s called a society. People make different choices, some are just plain lazy. That’s why the ‘team of 5 million’ was pure nonsense.
      
      I suggest you chill out and focus on what you can control.
      
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      July 27, 2021 8:44am
      - Nickc2
        
        Exactly, to do otherwise is cede your responsibility to others for control thereof.
        Geez, we’ve got a lot of that in lil-olde-NZ!
        
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        July 27, 2021 9:51am
    - kowtow
      
      Not the people themselves , the real noise will come from activists , neo Marxists , academics , lefties , unionists, the Media Pardy etc that they died due to white privelige , colonialism , Capt Cook etc
      
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      July 27, 2021 8:52am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      When the WHO and CDC recants who is going to change our minds.
      This whole matter is begining to have the flavour of a criminal conspiracy in very high places. Purpose: WEF policy as outlined?
      
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      July 27, 2021 8:55am
  - artemisia
    
    Or they were vaccinated for covid but actually died from the flu. Due to the main test not differentiating.
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:27am
    - Bob
      
      artemisia….there is a future.
      Yesterday I meet a chap who had been of work for a month with Bronchitis, possible the only case in NZ for the last eighteen months.
      
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      July 27, 2021 11:16am
  - Batman
    
    Tall Man you need to stop lying about covid deaths.
    
    97% of those hospitalised in the United States are unvaccinated. 99% of deaths are unvaccinated.
    https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187
    
    60% of those hospitalised in the United Kingdom are unvaccinated. The death rates of vaccinated vs unvaccinated in the UK are vastly different as so many more people are vaccinated. https://theconversation.com/most-covid-deaths-in-england-now-are-in-the-vaccinated-heres-why-that-shouldnt-alarm-you-163671
    
    Being doubled vaccinated reduces your chance of being hospitalised with covid by approximately 96%.
    
    Please do not spread this fear porn about the vaccines. Just for starters it is total horseshit.
    
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    July 27, 2021 11:35am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      96%,is that all vaccines?
      You are quoting an article that shows stats from 3 months ago.
      If you go on the vaers site, a few weeks ago vaccine deaths were higher than covid deaths.
      2,000 deaths a week out of your 4%, they must have a shitload of people in hospital.
      Artemisia is actually stating a fact, direct me to a scientific paper that has been reviewed that proves his statement wrong.
      You can’t because it doesn’t exist.
      Put it up here for all to see.
      CDC hasn’t dumped PCR tests because they are fit for purpose.
      
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      July 27, 2021 2:07pm
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        crickets from Batman cannot find a shred of evidence to back up his claim ofcalling liar liar pants on fire.
        
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        July 27, 2021 6:14pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    I understand your position on this but almost all the dying in the US and the UK have been vaccinated.
    
    A reference to your assertion would be nice…
    
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    July 27, 2021 12:10pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Read this.
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated
      
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      July 27, 2021 6:24pm
- Simon
  
  “Please tell them to fuck off.”
  
  Calm yourself. Under 65 years old and not morbidly obese then the people of south Auckland aint got nothing to worry about anything. Just calm down.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:16am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    If you mean they probably will not die, I guess that is correct.
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:43am
    - krazykiwi
      
      The probability of me dying is 100%.
      
      It’s still a risk I’ll live with, and more happily if the government stops pretending it has a noble interest in my welfare.
      
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      July 27, 2021 10:10am
  - Crisplion
    
    That won’t stop Ardern further destroying the country with lockdowns though.
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:54am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Sorry, accidently reported your commend. Fully agree. A destroyed country is a simply collateral damage from the one-woman, self aggrandizement program that the bought media promote.
      
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      July 27, 2021 10:13am
    - Akarak
      
      “That won’t stop Ardern from further destroying the country.”
      There, that’s about it!
      
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      July 27, 2021 7:51pm
- artemisia
  
  So the much hyped South Auckland mass vaccination event was a failure until more and more invites were sent out to reach the number needed. The organisers wanted 15,500 bookings, and sounds like they finally got that number after sending out 140,000 invitations. Seems it is just too boring.
  
  From the article referenced by fernglas –
  
  “South Auckland general practitioner Dr Api Talemaitoga said …..The invitation was boring for event-loving South Aucklanders ….. “I think the organisers should have thought about making it a celebration or an event that is like a festival where people come along with their friends, can listen to a bit of music, or watch a bit of entertainment or dancing. Have a bit of food and then get vaccinated.”
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:18am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Have a bit of food and then get vaccinated”
    
    Hmmm, increase potential commorbidities maybe ……
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-democracy-reporting/118876958/south-auckland-obesity-health-officials-want-beefed-up-advertising-rules
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:50am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    An offer of free doughnuts or free anything would have saved 140,00 invitations.
    
    Once the word ‘free’ was in the equation, the 10,000 invites would have all brought their cuzzies . . .
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:51am
    - artemisia
      
      Would they have stayed for the jab though?
      
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      July 27, 2021 11:03am
      - Matt Long
        
        Jab first, food after always.
        
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        July 27, 2021 12:18pm
  - kowtow
    
    Paternalist , infantilisation of a whole population .
    
    had a honkey said that they’d be unpersonned.
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:54am
  - The Feed
    
    “I think the organisers should have thought about making it a celebration or an event that is like a festival where people come along with their friends, can listen to a bit of music, or watch a bit of entertainment or dancing. Have a bit of food and then get vaccinated.”
    
    Sounds like a kids birthday party + vaccinations.
    
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    July 27, 2021 10:22am
    - Paulus
      
      So if it works do it !
      
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      July 27, 2021 11:03am
  - Bob
    
    emphasis that this is something FREE, paid for by the motivated element of the country.
    
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    July 27, 2021 11:17am
  - alloytoo
    
    So basically create a super spreader event to get vaccinated?
    
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    July 27, 2021 1:26pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Highly vaccinated Iceland is now going back into lockdown after being open for just a month. Depressing. It’ll be far worse here given all the (mostly lower socioeconomic groups) fatties.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:46am
- MCos
  
  The virus has already been ‘loose in South Auckland’.
  There is also another virus loose in South Auckland that is not mentioned in the article and that is the churches spreading fear of vaccinations.
  Not surprising considering the amount of garbage on the internet.
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:09am
  - Nickc2
    
    The other day when I posted about Church Influence against vaccination, the number of downticks was phenomenal. Then again, maybe it was because I posted the comment.
    
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    July 27, 2021 10:07am
    - Ehlana
      
      Nickc2, I didn’t see your earlier post. Do you have a link for the churches opposing vaccination? I read they were onboard and encouraging their congregations.
      
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      July 27, 2021 11:47am
      - Nickc2
        
        Ask the Fijian Rugby team.
        
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        July 27, 2021 2:05pm
Souvlaki

A very good article pointing how intellectually feeble Ardern & Faafoi really are! Great to even be allowed to publish it in current climate.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12460478
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July 27, 2021 8:06am
- Tall Man
  
  I can cope with their abject stupidity but their total dishonesty really pisses me off.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:14am
- Ruahine
  
  Everyone in the country who can think should read that article.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:15am
  - kowtow
    
    That’s the problem right there .
    
    There’s such a significant block of voters in this country who’re driven by fear and emotion that cognitive skills no longer count.
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:08am
  - Bob
    
    Seems that this qualification ..who can think.. would be the first impediment and would reduce the number of readers to a very small number, if the IPSOS Poll is creditable?
    
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    July 27, 2021 11:21am
- Maggie Pie
  
  HDPA read out a txt to her show yesterday calling Fafooi ‘useless’.
  She then went on to describe him “….as out of his depth”
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:17am
  - Paulus
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Perhaps HPDA is part of the problem ?
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:52am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Fafool is out of his depth standing in the proverbial car park puddle. In good company with his fellow caucus members which would rate as an art installation if we could get them all in a car park on a rainy day with the picture taken before Wilsons tow them . . .
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:54am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Ardern is well out of her depth too.
      
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      July 27, 2021 9:41am
    - Maxx
      
      To be fair, Justice is a portfolio that is a little deeper than a car park puddle. Maybe more akin is he should have stayed in the paddling pool with the other kiddies and learnt to swim. Can’t blame him though, I’d want to get as far away from that piss filled swamp of a paddling pool.
      
      Removing ideology though, who isn’t out of their depth? Even those that are doing OK (again, looking past ideology), they are either failing in their other portfolios or barely making progress.
      
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      July 27, 2021 10:23am
    - alloytoo
      
      Sadly he’s probably head and shoulders above some in the caucus.
      
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      July 27, 2021 1:29pm
  - Littletramp
    
    Or maybe Kris Faafoi, who has appeared quite capable in the past, is being coerced to act against his personal beliefs on this and is too conflicted to give a rational answer?
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:11am
    - Swifty
      
      I’ve wondered that….
      
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      July 27, 2021 10:10am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ‘It is hard to imagine what unholy mix of obtuseness and hubris would allow any politician to enter such a challenging intellectual arena without being armed to the teeth with sound arguments and convincing evidence to persuade voters that expanding the existing hate speech laws is an excellent idea.
    
    But here we are — with a Prime Minister and Justice Minister who have boldly rushed in where angels fear to tread.
    
    And now at least one of them is refusing to join the public discussion they have called for as the prelude to a highly contentious law change’
    
    The imbeciles are quite scary imo
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:14am
    - Swifty
      
      It makes you wonder how much other legislation they’ve brought in over the last four years without sufficient consideration.
      
      It’s like they just don’t care.
      
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      July 27, 2021 10:12am
      - Paulus
        
        They don’t as they have been given an overall majority which is the keys to all the vaults.
        
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        July 27, 2021 12:59pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Their aim is to trash the joint before they get thrown out on their arses IMO.
        
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        July 27, 2021 2:07pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Yes, somewhat of an understatement IMO.
    
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    July 27, 2021 10:11am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Good grief.
  
  So you think that the vaccines are increasing the chances of dying from covid?
  
  Of course a majority of people who are dying are vaccinated. That is bound to happen. In the UK about 99 percent of over 80s are vaccinated. So if the vaccine fails for ten percent of them they have a high chance of dying.
  
  Let’s say that 100 percent of the population is vaccinated. By definition all deaths would be in vaccinated people.
  
  We are still learning about the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing infection, transmission, serious illness, and death. Thankfully on the last two counts it is offering over 95 percent protection.
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  You can read more here.
  
  https://theconversation.com/most-covid-deaths-in-england-now-are-in-the-vaccinated-heres-why-that-shouldnt-alarm-you-163671
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:33am
  - RoboRob
    
    That and in the UK while infection rates have increased the number of deaths are almost flat (no increase). If you have the vaccine and catch covid you are much more likely to have mild to no symptoms (just like any other vaccine). if you have the vaccine you are also (probably) less likely to be infectious (science is still out on this).
    
    Side effects of the Pfizer vaccine are minimal for most (just like the flu vaccine). The long term effects, both good and bad, are as yet unknown. This is the same as any new medicine. While some medicines might have trial users who have a few years on them, they usually also have far less people involved in the trials. 40000 people were involved in the Pfizer trials.
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:13am
    - tf78
      
      Robrob, as the vaccines have only been around for 8 months or less, how can any long terms effects be known for at least four years. The vaccines won’t be certified as safe until at least 2023. They are at this stage experimental vaccines.
      
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      July 27, 2021 10:06am
      - RoboRob
        
        Thats what I said, ‘The long term effects, both good and bad, are as yet unknown’.
        
        But as I said, that is also generally true for all new medicines. We don’t usually run in fear from new medicines and refuse to take them until some other group of people have taken them and five years ago.
        
        When cancer cures are introduced people dont say, no I wont take it until enough other people have.
        
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        July 27, 2021 11:04am
- Yvette
  
  “Hate speech” – or “hateful korero” [1]
  With her Minister of Justice having gone AWOL ever since a disastrous television interview on the topic a month ago, the Prime Minister’s call for a national debate has lurched from a shambles into farce. The Government allowed only six weeks for public submissions and now — with less than two weeks to go until the August 6 deadline — the cat has apparently got Faafoi’s tongue in an iron grip.
  
  … Extraordinarily, [Faafoi] maintained that although he was the Justice Minister, it wasn’t up to him to clarify such matters. Rather, that would be a decision for the police. Exactly how a lowly police constable might be expected to do what has clearly foxed the Minister of Justice remains unexplained. [2]
  
  It does appear this hate speech “national debate” or “conversation” is going exactly the same way as the “national debate” or “conversation” on Capital Gains Tax, where Ardern failed to give a clear Government proposal, just as they now fail to define the speech they want us to discuss.
  The only hope here is that this “national debate” or “conversation” will also result in the issue being thrown out of the cot for the duration Ardern is Prime Minister.
  
  “After almost a decade campaigning on it, and after forming a government that represented the majority of New Zealanders, we have been unable to build a mandate for a capital gains tax,” the prime minister said.
  “While I have believed in a CGT, it’s clear many New Zealanders do not. That is why I am also ruling out a capital gains tax under my leadership in the future.” [3]
  
  However, it is sad that this matter is dependent on the non-delivery of Ardern’s Government, as so many other issues are failing the same fate of no delivery.
  
  [1] Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy – https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/31-10-2017/this-is-who-we-do-not-want-to-ever-become-dame-susan-devoy-on-anti-semitism-in-new-zealand/ – in discussing an issue that was nothing to do with Maori.
  [2] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/graham-adams-parliament-is-in-recess-but-kris-faafoi-is-too-busy-to-discuss-proposals-for-hate-speech-laws/3LXGVJWV6FSXF67UPDIP4HIRCQ/
  [3] https://www.internationalinvestment.net/news/4001904/zealand-scraps-capital-gains-tax
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:50am
- Loddenthinks
  
  This gold, towards the end of the article, when describing the useless Faafoi and the stupid Ardern:
  
  “It is hard to imagine what unholy mix of obtuseness and hubris would allow any politician to enter such a challenging intellectual arena without being armed to the teeth with sound arguments and convincing evidence to persuade voters that expanding the existing hate speech laws is an excellent idea.”
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:15am
  - hilaryt
    
    Darn tootin’.
    
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    July 27, 2021 12:38pm
Tony Stuart

I wonder what, if anything, the Minister for Child Poverty Reduction will have to say about this:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/07/te-p-tahitanga-o-te-waipounamu-calls-for-urgent-action-after-report-estimates-18-000-more-children-pushed-into-poverty.html
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July 27, 2021 8:09am
- Tall Man
  
  And if by some slim chance she does comment, will any of her comment actually relate to the subject or be comprehensible?
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:13am
  - pdm
    
    Unlikely.
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:21am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:34am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yesterday a family member showed me the interview Ms Ardern did with Ryan Bridge re the bribe money given to the Mongrel Mob.
    I guess many have also seen it.
    But if ever Jacinda fanatics wanted to see what she’s really like, then they should watch it.
    Unbelievable for a Prime Minister to perform as she did and illustrates that she has no professional governance credentials or ability at all.
    Never mind though, I’m sure Clarke and Neve bought her a lovely birthday present………
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:52am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      We sorely need a mechanism to bring a rogue PM to account.
      This govt must be terminated.
      
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      July 27, 2021 8:58am
    - Scooter
      
      As I posted below her sarcastic reply to Ryan wishing her a happy birthday really shows what a piece of work she is. Not fit for office, no class.
      
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      July 27, 2021 9:09am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Bridge got the best shot in though: “That was a bit condescending, wasn’t it?”
        
        Can you imagine any of the sick-making sycophants in her ~~press~~ cheer gallery daring to say that to her face? Why, it might get them off the invite list to the WEDDING OF THE CENTURY.
        
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        July 27, 2021 11:18am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And for those who haven’t seen it:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqPkNOMvbLg
      
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      July 27, 2021 9:20am
      - Tall Man
        
        Look at her left eye.
        
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        July 27, 2021 9:44am
      - Tall Man
        
        “Comments are turned off.”
        
        Wonder why…….
        
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        July 27, 2021 9:54am
      - lifesgood
        
        What. A. Cow!
        
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        July 27, 2021 10:08am
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        This is a international trend, Whitehouse now turns its comments off and utube manipulate likes.
        Bit hard to do here, hardly any likes or dislikes.
        
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        July 27, 2021 2:22pm
    - tf78
      
      Gavel, I love the way she told Ryan – ‘Ryan, that’s just what I read to you’ or something similar. So if she can’t read a script she appears to be totally at sea, I’m so surprised. (not)
      
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      July 27, 2021 10:16am
    - ABS4EVA
      
      This Whole Mongrel Mob Business Illustrates
      what total scum bags they are
      
      They ARE WORSE THAN SCUM
      
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      July 27, 2021 11:09pm
  - Bob
    
    One advantage of ‘talking in circles’, is that you never have to present a conclusion at the end, there isn’t an end…. ideal for a member of this government.
    
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    July 27, 2021 11:24am
- marcw
  
  Let me guess, “I refute that, I was saving 80,000 from certain death. The children will love me.”
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:15am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    And they think my fiancé is really cool too…
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:01am
- Simon
  
  18,000 kids pushed into poverty a sacrifice made to zero covid zealots.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:27am
- gorse
  
  “Nine long years of neglect” will be what she says. They “inherited” the problem she would say.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:38am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    vs “four years of failure” (soon to be five). And eventually “six years of slacking”
    
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    July 27, 2021 12:31pm
- cmm
  
  It is so easy to spin:
  
  Blame it on Covid.
  
  And if we didn’t have the Awesomeness of Cindy running the show, it would have been much, much worse.
  
  Shaun Hendy could do a quick model showing that without Cindy it would have been a million more kids in poverdee.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:46am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Shaun Hendy should stick to Airfix and stop sniffing the glue imo
    
    https://www.toyco.co.nz/airfix
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:57am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Fake Cindy (FC) is a poor liar and poor communicator. Just one example. When told the MIQ IT system allowed rogue operators to charge $3000 for a place she denied it.
  When faced with teh evidence she said thay shouldnt be doing it.
  Politics 101 says if you are asked a question always assume the questioner already knows the answer.
  
  A good operator would have said I dont know and I will find out and get back to you then come back and said I have stopped that immediately.
  
  FC has been caught out lying more than any PM in the 50 plus yerars I have been following politics.
  
  But the real worry is that 53% of the Sheeple cant see thru FC and that just shows the shallow thinking on the majority of my fellow citizens.
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:28am
- Hard Cheese
  
  They’ll just “recalibrate” the way they measure children in poverty again, problem solved.
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:38am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Are they also arguing for special benefit increases for Maori?
  What is citizenship now in New Zealand?
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:13am
- oldfella
  
  Tony, the woman being interviewed referred to ‘Maori, Pasifika, and Pakeha’.
  I guess Pakeha means ‘others’ in this context, but not sure how Kiwi Asians, and other nationalities, feel about being lumped into that category.
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:18am
- Maxx
  
  Can’t be reached. She’s on holiday. Same bunker as Faafoi I’m sure.
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:29am
- alloytoo
  
  So…..
  
  JK’s government had the same program……but this program only had a pilot in 2020….
  
  JK’s government may have had similar programs, but not this programme milked…er run by the gangs.
  
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  July 27, 2021 1:48pm
- curry4me
  
  Tony Stuart: Outstanding success for the minister! Poverty increases. Just like it’d be an outstanding success for the Minister of Defence if more soldiers enlisted. Or our peace keepers got a good report from the UN. /sarc
  
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  July 27, 2021 7:41pm
Vory v zakone

President Pudding ?
lol
https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1419507403196964865?s=19

If Trump had ever randomly said #MyButtsBeenWiped, CNN and MSNBC would’ve had mental health “experts” on screeching that he should be removed from office 24/7 for the next month.
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July 27, 2021 8:12am
- Vory v zakone
  
  Famous presidential quotes:
  
  “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.” … JFK
  
  “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” … Ronald Reagan
  
  “My butt’s been wiped.” … Joe Biden
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:36am
- tf78
  
  Vory, great Tucker Carlson clip!
  
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  July 27, 2021 10:23am
- kowtow
  
  Apart from his flubbing badly at meetings ( CNN town hall) there’s a clear pattern of the old fool making lots of quips around how he’s being controlled by those around him.
  
  Wonders why the White House Press Corps are letting that pass …….
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:14am
Maggy Wassilieff

A new Maori Consultancy group sets up ..

Looks like they will be pushing Labour’s agenda.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/maori-political-talent-exits-parliament
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July 27, 2021 8:14am
- Tall Man
  
  “while Halbert has spent years advising Nanaia Mahuta, the Foreign Affairs Minister”
  
  So bloody useless then?
  
  Unless, of course, mahuta has ignored all the advice 😉
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:18am
  - Paulus
    
    Mahuta only does what she is told by Ardern.
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:53am
    - gravedodger
      
      That statement Paulus, infers that Arden has the nous to make such a decision, her freudian slip in the Bridge interview “Ryan in the statement I just read to you” is clear proof her words are not home grown organic they are mushrooms in bullsh$t ceaated by others and she just reads them out loud.
      
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      July 27, 2021 4:11pm
- Swifty
  
  What will their product or service be?
  
  A new cancer drug?
  Some new affordable house-building technologies?
  A better mousetrap?
  
  Alas, no.
  
  “We will help you and your organisation secure political favours and/or large lumps of taxpayer cash….and all we ask is a small percentage and job offers for us and our tame pollies when their political careers end…”
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:01am
- KevO'Brien
  
  They’ll be on the govt payroll somewhere.
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:15am
Happychappy

Oh no Jacinda Ardern’s pet project is failing like all her other policy but who will she blame this time for the latest figures say 18,000 more children pushed into “poverty “.
Te Putahitanga O Te Waipounamu calls for urgent action after report estimates
18,000 more children into poverty.
A working group to create social change and improve outcomes for Maori and
Pacifica is joining the child poverty Action group (CPAG) to urgently address the findings in a new report.
The new report shows Maori and Pacifica children were about 2.5 to three times likely than Pekeha children to have entered poverty in the last 12 months after the start of the lockdown last year.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/07/te-p-tahitanga-o-te-waipounamu-calls-for-urgent-action-after-report-estimates-18-000-more-children-pushed-into-poverty.html
The blame game is about to start as Jacinda Ardern hates criticism and will blame others for her incompetence.
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July 27, 2021 8:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And she’s overseeing another bunch of folks who are about to be shoved out of work.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018805585/unemployment-looms-as-marsden-pt-oil-refinery-winds-down
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:45am
- Bobba Fret
  
  She’ll say its all National’s fault and their 9 years of neglect! That excuse is running a bit thin these days.
  
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  July 27, 2021 10:02am
slightlyrighty

Welcome to NZ.

Are you a Dual Citizen who has lived most of your life in Oz, and then ran off to join a terrorist organisation that threatened the very values you were brought up in, causing you to lose your Oz citizenship?

Welcome! Here’s your house, and your benefit!!

Are you a skilled professional, such as a teacher, doctor or engineer? Are you able to contribute to the society with your skills, and willing to abide by the collective values of your new country?

Well, you can come but leave your family where they are…..or you can come, but forget residency…

We are ass backwards as f**k……
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July 27, 2021 8:17am
- lifesgood
  
  She should have been left to rot in a Turkish jail. What a disgrace our government is. I wonder what the victims of the Christchurch terrorist attack think about this.
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:51am
  - oldfella
    
    I guess this young woman will want to hook up with a local mosque where she can worship, and take her kids. That should be interesting.
    
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    July 27, 2021 11:26am
- tf78
  
  slightly, she left NZ at 6 and Aussie at 16 so not long in either countries.
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:04am
  - Ian Boag
    
    She is a citizen not an immigrant. Rules are rules. Not all that different to 501’s who moved to Oz at age 3 and get deported here at age 30 ….
    
    Don’t misunderstand me – I don’t particularly like it but it is what it is. Gerry Brownlee was venting about it on RNZ this morning but carefully refused to answer questions about whether we should be doing this. He got as far as saying it’s a shame we can’t cancel citizenship as easily as the Australians can. He may be right ….
    
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    July 27, 2021 11:40am
    - lifesgood
      
      Ian Boag – Why can’t we?
      
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      July 27, 2021 11:56am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        We got in too late.
        You can’t leave a person stateless.
        
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        July 27, 2021 12:12pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        It’s easily to have a stateless child. It only takes two generations.
        If two New Zealand citizens bear a child outside of New Zealand, that child has “NZ citizenship by descent” (which cannot be passed on to their children in the future).
        So, if two such children who both have “NZ citizenship by descent” then have a child in a country that doesn’t automatically grant citizenship to those born there, then that child would be legally stateless.
        
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        July 27, 2021 1:01pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    It is not two it is just one parent, my three boys were born in Australia to an Australian and New Zealander, they are New Zealand and Australian citizens.
    It clearly states on the form, New Zealand parent details and non New Zealand details.
    It is an extremely generous offer, you can get a NZ passport without ever visiting New Zealand.
    
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    July 27, 2021 2:34pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Sorry, most immigrants stop being net taxpayers and contributors and start leeching off other taxpayers when they have kids and especially when the little darlings go to school. The burden on the net taxpayer is already huge and encouraging yet more immigrants to come here and exploit our welfare state further is part of the problem.
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:07am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Immigrants generally have jobs and pay tax. This country has not needed to finance their education.
    
    So can you back up most immigrants stop being net taxpayers and contributors and start leeching off other taxpayers when they have kids . A link to something maybe, preferably one that has some numbers …..
    
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    July 27, 2021 11:35am
    - Paulus
      
      Are not the Refugees we take under he UN Rules automatically given New Zealand Citizenship and this lady’s father I believe was a refugee from Somalia – Tampa perhaps ?
      
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      July 27, 2021 1:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What is Western Science?

Should study of tribal/Maori interpretations of the natural world be accorded equal time in our school Science curriculum?

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2107/S00191/what-is-western-science.htm
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July 27, 2021 8:21am
- Simon
  
  You can tell how good / useful maori interpretations etc are if the Chinese hack it or not.
  
  No alarming reports of Chinese/ CCP steeling maori “science” to date.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:35am
  - Swifty
    
    Hahaha!
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:10am
  - cmm
    
    Although Maori activists seem to love calling their death threat dance, kumararas and anything woven out of flax “intellectual property”.
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:24am
    - Ehlana
      
      Kumaras are supposed to have been brought back to Polynesia by early voyagers to South America. So not only not Maori intellectual property, the native South Americans could presumably lay a claim to them.
      
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      July 27, 2021 11:53am
      - cmm
        
        Quite. Kumara aren’t a Polynesian invention, nor is dancing or basket weaving, but that doesn’t stop them from trying.
        
        Sweet potato was one of my favourite foods growing up in South Africa, but was seldom available in shops and could mostly be bought from rural Africans who grew it for their own use. There is a lot of speculation as to how it got there, but it most likely arrived through the Portuguese bringing new crops to to their African colonies in the 1500s: sweet potatoes, maize, beans and pumpkins.
        
        All these foods way outproduce traditional African crops of sorghum and millet which led to a boom in calories and thus people.
        
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        July 27, 2021 4:33pm
- Adroit
  
  Hi Maggy – I remember from one of your previous comments you were aware of instances of claimed Matauranga knowledge which was in fact recycled info from botanists. Do you have some specific examples, or further reading on the subject? It’s something I frequently butt heads over individuals with. I’m even seeing a drive to include Matauranga in health fields. Very scary.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There’s no evidence that pre-European Maori had any concept of disease organisms. (Germ theory and evidence of disease-causing organisms is part of the “western canon of science”). They attributed sickness to bad spirits… and used prayer/invocations and later – water treatments to try and effect cures.
    
    Maori Herbal treatment of disease has derived from observing the plants and methods the first missionaries/doctors employed when they arrived in NZ.
    Europeans recognised familiar plant families here in NZ that could be tried for brews/concotions.
    (e.g. kawakawa – same family as kava in Pacific Islands and pepper plants in the tropics).
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:59am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Yes, this is my understanding too. If I recall my readings from years past, it was Sir Peter Buck/Te Rangi Hiroa who noted in his works on Maori Anthropology that bush plants used as medicine was relatively recent, and European inspired. Diseases were previously thought to be spiritual, and lizards regarded with some fear as these were thought to enter the body and cause pain.
      Much is being made of Maori science lately, but it really is greatly inflating or even outright inventing details – then you suddenly you have sophisticated astronomy, medicine and proposed polar exploration, when early Maori & Pakeha anthropologists who were closer to, or able to speak directly with old-time Maori, genuinely interested in preserving and recording, found no such thing.
      All about the Feelz these days, and we are poorer and dumber for it.
      
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      July 27, 2021 1:19pm
      - I remember when
        
        Dr. Peter Buck’s 1910 Thesis: Medicine amongst Maori in Ancient and Modern Times:
        An interesting read produced when it was still pure, by a writer who was influenced by both his Maori and European ancestry.
        
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        July 27, 2021 2:51pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Indeed, here’s his thesis.
        https://ourarchive.otago.ac.nz/handle/10523/10413
        
        Most of the early section refers to belief in tapu, maketu and evil spirits and their connection with disease.
        
        A few pages on plant use by Maori is found at p.67 -70.
        
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        July 27, 2021 7:48pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “The proposals divide science into ‘mātauranga putaiao’ (Māori understanding of the natural world) and ‘western science’.”
  
  I will say it again. The Ministry of Education is the most useless and in this case damaging public institution in New Zealand.
  
  I have no issues with Maori understanding of the natural world being taught at school. But not as part of the science curriculum.
  
  Only parents can stop this. Do private schools need to teach this rubbish?
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:39am
  - oldfella
    
    And while they’re teaching (compulsory?) Maori understanding of the natural world and Te Reo, our schools have less time to devote to serious subjects which might make our kids better equipped for the 21st Century.
    
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    July 27, 2021 11:34am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    The marine tides we see are caused by the inwards and outwards breathing of Tangaroa beneath the ocean, not the force of gravity/the moon upon its watery surface area.
    
    Of course these are equally valid explanations for phenomenon and worth equal time in school under the science curriculum (Sarc).
    
    Western science is perceived (with limited truth) as a product of white men.
    White men are irredeemably bad.
    Science is therefore racist (like everything else we care to name)
    So diversity in science, even if it is just a bunch of myths and crap being equally weighted, is all about balance and JUSTICE.
    Now let’s all sacrifice a goat, in the hope of rain.
    That’s science!
    
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    July 27, 2021 1:29pm
  - alloytoo
    
    “The Māori world view acknowledges the interconnectedness and interrelationship of all living and non-living things. This is a holistic approach, seeking to understand the total system, not just parts of it.”
    
    “Ubuntu – A collection of values and practices that Black people of Africa or of African origin view as making people authentic human beings. While the nuances of these values and practices vary across different ethnic groups, they all point to one thing – an authentic individual human being is part of a larger and more significant relational, communal, societal, environmental and spiritual world”
    
    Enlightenment. : a movement of the 18th century that stressed the belief that science and logic give people more knowledge and understanding than tradition and religion.
    
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    July 27, 2021 2:15pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The Māori world view acknowledges the interconnectedness and interrelationship of all living and non-living things. This is a holistic approach, seeking to understand the total system, not just parts of it.”
      
      The view is not unique to Maori.
      Buddhists have a similar approach.
      The Interconnectedness of the biosphere, the geosphere, and our atmosphere is the core of Ecological thought – and is how most ecologists approach their discipline …. but unlike Maori and Buddhists (and many others…), Ecologists can conduct their science without any Spiritual component.
      
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      July 27, 2021 8:29pm
      - alloytoo
        
        ….Enlightenment….
        
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        July 28, 2021 7:37am
- crikey
  
  NO!
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:54am
- KevO'Brien
  
  No!
  Where’s the science? Plenty of religious philosophy.
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:05am
- Swifty
  
  I feel sick after reading that.
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:10am
- cmm
  
  Here’s some Maori science for you:
  
  https://media.newzealand.com/en/story-ideas/matariki-%E2%80%93-comfort-food-from-the-past/
  
  ” The twinkling of the stars helped them predict what the weather would be like for the coming season.”
  
  So the refractive perturbations of the atmosphere at a particular time on a particular night was all they needed to be able to tell the weather months in advance.
  
  Amazing. Why do we stupid westerners piss around with NIWA and supercomputers when all we need to do is look at the way the stars twinkle?
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:31am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Matariki is dangerous. It is pagan spiritual to the core and features dead ancestors.
    
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    July 27, 2021 11:18am
    - Batman
      
      How does that make it dangerous?
      
      Seems no more harmful than Christmas!
      
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      July 27, 2021 11:45am
    - cmm
      
      Christmas is a rebadged pagan festival too.
      
      The pagan festivals that are linked to astronomical events that give us Christmas (mid winter’s feast) and Easter (equinox) are not a concern per se.
      
      What is far more of a concern is all this fake Maori tradition and “science” and “knowledge” linked to it. There is little evidence that any of this is real but instead seems to be largely a modern creation – just like the Maori going to the South Pole bollocks that popped up out of nowhere.
      
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      July 27, 2021 4:38pm
- Philview
  
  This latest idea around the splitting of the science curriculum into race based modules didn’t help me get to sleep last night. This is insanity. There is no western science. For example, Islamic scholars made a great contribution to science and mathematics. To equate all world view to Maori and Other has to stop.
  
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  July 27, 2021 10:00am
  - Jack5
    
    The pro-Islam propaganda machine has been pumping up Islamic contribution to science.
    
    Islam has contributed barely anything to science over the last 500 or 600 years, and, according to this list, only half a dozen of the 200 greatest mathematicians have come from the Islamic world.
    
    https://www.fabpedigree.com/james/gmat200.htm
    
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    July 27, 2021 2:20pm
I remember when

Just listening to Minister Megan Woods blaming the National Government for the homeless families in motels (sort of).
Once again it is the ‘selling off’ of state houses that is the reason for the increasing number of houseless.
While that may be the case where houses have had to be demolished, but if the house has been sold into the housing market it still houses someone.
It would be ideal if we could find figures explaining exactly why numbers keep growing.
Is it returnees, more houses without residents (empty), growing social need – and why.
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July 27, 2021 8:23am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The last government sold state houses to other providers.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:40am
  - Tricati
    
    Correct, or demolished dilapidated state houses and re-built multi-units on the section.
    All conveniently overlooked by the MSM, and Megan (couldn’t lie straight in bed) Woods.
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:53am
  - Dougal10
    
    And this government is using new houses provided by those other providers to prop up their numbers . What all this shows is there are no actual journalists left in nz.
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:58am
  - Prince
    
    …and this Govt buys them back and says they built them…
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:37am
- Paulus
  
  Why should she give any figures – it does not suit her lies.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:55am
- RoboRob
  
  Could it be that the number of state houses, while an issue, has nothing to do with the size of the demand for them? Its not that state houses are down, its that demand is way up.
  
  Is it possible the real reasons for the demand for state housing are the following
  
  1. Increase in rental prices. Largely due to improving the quality but also taxation changes and other regulations. This was an obvious outcome of the Labour rental policies.
  
  2. Increased costs of building. Due to material cost increases, builder shortages and legal / regulatory overhead.
  
  Labour actively pursused #1 and should have known the outcome. #2 is ignored by all and the government has done nothing.
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:24am
- alloytoo
  
  Did the sold houses magically evaporate?
  
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  July 28, 2021 7:38am
KevO'Brien

Just add Maui and right is might ethics and they can get on with the coup planning on the govt’s consultancy payroll.
Now the taxpayer smiles and pays for deceit.
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July 27, 2021 8:26am
KevO'Brien

Useful backgrounder on the pre-election sweety pie movie:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/530272-christchurch-mosque-shootings-movie-cancelled/
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July 27, 2021 8:29am
- curry4me
  
  KevO’Brien: A bit of good news from Harveywood then. Very encouraging.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:20pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Got it in one, I reckon
  
  It seems likely that ‘They Are Us’ would be cashing in on a horrific tragedy by making a two-hour campaign commercial for Jacinda Ardern, which doesn’t exactly sound very artistically compelling.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:46pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis maintains Suhayra Aden is already here.
She wouldn’t divulge her source, but her BiL works in Wellington.
The other thing I didn’t know (but it came as nooo surprise) she said that Suhayra was actually born in Mt Roskill….. and her dad was an unemployed Somali refugee.

Just saying.
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July 27, 2021 8:29am
- Adroit
  
  It’s difficult to think of a people that are less suited to integration in NZ than Somalis specifically, and Muslims generally. People involved in refugee resettlement I have spoken with often identify them as the most unwilling to adjust their behaviours and expectations in NZ.
  
  One just needs to look at the gangs of Somalis in Melbourne to see it’s not a problem limited to NZ.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:39am
  - Tall Man
    
    Minnesota has one of the largest concentrations of Somalis in the USA.
    
    https://www.newswars.com/minneapolis-a-hotbed-of-somali-gang-warfare/
    
    They also have ilhan omar …. Nuff said.
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:55am
    - kowtow
      
      Sweden , the hand grenade crime hot spot of Europe.
      
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      July 27, 2021 9:25am
- Jack5
  
  Maggie Pie, she’s not … she’s not … she’s surely not an offshoot of one of the recently departed Stephiestani clan? ?
  
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  July 27, 2021 2:22pm
Simon

UK looks ok. Restrictions ended a week ago and covid cases falling. Zero covid nut jobs unhappy.
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July 27, 2021 8:29am
- Frank the tank
  
  Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for the world’s greatest over-reaction
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:44am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    Don’t bet on it, vaccine passports on their way and then who knows how governments plan to use them in the future.
    “Sorry sir you have had your 3 beer allocation for the week”
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:31am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The fightback is overdue.
      
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      July 27, 2021 11:19am
- Inandout
  
  simon, I thought the asthmatic UK correspondent on Hosking said that Katie Hopkins and the street demonstrators were ‘nut jobs’. Anyway Covid Passports are apparently needed in some venues such as pop concerts. How some security guard is going to check a passport’s validity when hundreds of hyped up fans queue to get in must be a challenge.
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:19am
  - Dougal10
    
    They will need a barcode somewhere on your face as a double check for facial recognition software . An alternative is possibly a microchip like we use in animals and you pass through a scanner but these can be scammed.
    
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    July 27, 2021 10:44am
    - oldfella
      
      Dougal, that’s a great idea. A modern take on the old Biblical ‘666 Mark of the Beast’.
      What could possibly go wrong? //s
      
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      July 27, 2021 11:45am
  - MCos
    
    At any concert I’ve ever been to where a ticket is required, which is most of them, there is already a need to check that everyone has a ticket.
    
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    July 27, 2021 1:18pm
  - Pheobe
    
    Especially as they can’t even check for negative covid tests at the airport. Still only doing about 80 to [every] 100 people once they have arrived back in NZ.
    
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    July 27, 2021 1:48pm
- Batman
  
  Simon it’s amazing what mass vaccination has achieved huh?
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    It’s also “amazing” how few die when they’ve already died …..
    
    A highly vulnerable person can only die once but hey, we’re all entitled to an opinion ….. aren’t we?
    
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    July 27, 2021 2:10pm
Odakyu-sen

That PCR test that can’t tell the difference between viral particles and functional viruses. (It just magnifies the RNA to a level that can be processed, so it isn’t really a test, but a tool that is used downstream of a test.)

There is a fundamental flaw.

It’s a bit like detecting a bullet fragment in an old war veteran and then arresting him for “concealing ammunition on his person.”
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July 27, 2021 8:30am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Great analogy
  $240 million spent in a week in Aussie testing and not knowing what the results relate to.
  We as a world have lost our minds.
  Eliminated Flu by counting it as covid.
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:20am
Yabster

An “anti-racist” learning aid used at the Auckland University of Technology Note the sentence which says “We are monitoring attendance across the faculty”. (Scroll to enlarge).

Ministry spends $700,000 to foster white guilt
Almost $700,000 has been spent on making half of the Ministry of Education bureaucracy feel guilty about the colour of their skin, according to emails released under the Official Information Act.

“It’s part of this Government’s pervasive fetish that commodifying people into identities is clever and new when we know that treating people based on their race and the colour of their skin is just old-fashioned racism and discrimination,” ACT Party leader David Seymour said.

“What they are really saying is that you are responsible for things that happened before you were born, and that what people of your skin colour did in a different century is somehow your responsibility,” he said.

The course had American content removed because they wanted to cover up the fact that they had imported this Critical Race Theory from the United States and force it on the New Zealand civil service and then force it on our kids, he said.
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July 27, 2021 8:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Principals have come out declaring that our education system is racist
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018805654/racism-still-a-problem-in-new-zealand-schools-students
  
  But why the emphasis on biculturalism?
  Māori news reporter Jamie Tahana reports in the first of a series of stories on efforts to make schools, and teachers, more bicultural.
  
  NZ is a multicultural nation nowadays.
  Why should teachers overlook the needs//aspirations/cultural baggage of PI, Asian/Middle Eastern/African children in their classes?
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:09am
  - alex Masterley
    
    The “bicultural” lense being promoted these days irritates the heck out of me given the multicultural nature of our country.
    When I point it out to David Garrett’s special people, they get a bit pissed off.
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:40am
  - Jack5
    
    No question, the Maori minority is out to de-Westernise the country.
    
    Did Asians come here because they wanted to be in country where the language was some remote, tiny indigenous tongue?
    
    Were the attractions of New Zealand Western popular culture, the English language, English-based law, an Anglo education system, Parliamentary democracy?
    
    Or were they attracted by the remote, tiny, indigenous tongue; by kapa haka; by tribal politics; by the possibility their kids and grandkids might become Ph.D.s in Maori language?
    
    Had they, in their home country, ever heard of this place called Aotearoa?
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:49am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Bicultural” meaning people who self-identify as Maori vs. people who cannot self-identify as Maori?
    
    If a man can self-identify as a woman, than can I self-identify as “Maori.”
    
    Logically, yes. Politically… well that’s different I suppose!
    
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    July 27, 2021 10:21am
    - alloytoo
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJvQaBgzSAY
      
      [Gender Dysphoria Is a Mental Disorder” – Blaire White]
      
      An interesting interview with man who suffers from gender dysphoria.
      
      Worth a watch. (most triggernometry interviews are)
      
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      July 27, 2021 2:38pm
  - Dougal10
    
    [deleted for unfounded racial stereotyping of three different groups – Mod]
    
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    July 27, 2021 10:49am
    - Dougal10
      
      I think you have read comment with a totally contextual view than it was written.
      
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      July 27, 2021 1:09pm
  - alloytoo
    
    about half the kids in my son’s school are Asian, the rest I would class as Kiwi or “other European”
    
    Biculturalism suggests they should teaching some Chinese languages alongside English.
    
    That might actually have some practical use for my son.
    
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    July 27, 2021 2:32pm
kowtow

As some have already pointed out a scan of today’s “news” reveals a list of regime failures ;

be it St Jax’s failure on the child poverdy front , “new” house building , the massive coal imports during a “climate emergency” , or lack of racist agenda vax to “vulnerables”;

The only reason there can be so much negativity in the Media , across the board towards Jax and Co, is that she was on leave last week and the usual instructions to the news rooms didn’t go out .

Expect that to be very different next week.
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July 27, 2021 8:35am
I remember when

“Demand the Debate”.
So The Herald agrees it has some impact.
Of course it has, the amount of new legislation, tweeking of legislation, submissions and consultation seems to be an ever increasing growth industry.
Even if people are interested it is hard to be aware of what is in the legislation pipeline.
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July 27, 2021 8:36am
Yabster

Who is driving the He Puapua plan?
The exclusive biculturalists, such as those driving the He Puapua plan for two governments under tribal monitoring, are actually a rather small group of people numbering only in the hundreds, according to Auckland University Education Professor Elizabeth Rata.

“They are ethnically diverse and include iwi Maori leaders, intellectuals, lobbyists, academics, activists, lawyers, officials, media figures and politicians,” Professor Rata wrote in “Time for a new interpretation of Treaty” that was published in the Otago Daily Times on July 20, 2021.

“Tight self-referential networks, strong personal relationships and a willingness to play the long game has led to remarkable success,” she wrote
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July 27, 2021 8:40am
- Littletramp
  
  Yabster, we have an organised, goal setting minority vs an indifferent majority.
  In Olympic road race cycling vernacular “it’s time for the peloton to get moving and reel them back in”.
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:18am
  - Yabster
    
    yes but in the case of the mens and womans roadrace the peloton kept dithering and waiting for others… the organised breakaway got the gold…
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:44am
- Jack5
  
  “Exclusive biculturists” – the neo-apartheidists who would put a race that comprises one-sixth of the population in a privileged position over the five-sixths.
  
  But remember the Woke who facilitate and help them.
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:34am
  - Jack5
    
    Actually Elizabeth Rata’s article is worth while, and she offers an interesting alternative path to “ethno-nationalism”.
    
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    July 27, 2021 10:16am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep,
      It’s a brilliant, informative piece.
      
      https://democracyproject.nz/2021/07/05/elizabeth-rata-the-road-to-he-puapua-is-there-really-a-treaty-partnership/
      
      I suspect she’ll be shut-down soon.
      
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      July 27, 2021 1:35pm
- kevn
  
  @Yab… “Ethnically diverse” lol
  
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  July 27, 2021 10:21am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    You don’t get a lot of diversity from a bicultural perspective. Just “us” and “them.”
    
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    July 27, 2021 12:47pm
Scooter

The interview between Ryan Bridge and the PM was abit of a let down, I think Ryan was abit awestruck and maybe nervous, although he tried his best to get her to answer the question (can anyone, anyone??) . I also noticed on stuff they reported it as him saying ” I won’t ask how old you’re turning,” he said, before musing: “That was a bit condescending, wasn’t it?”. Shame they didn’t mention she has snarkily said how much she had enjoyed her birthday being interviewed by him. What a beeatch.
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July 27, 2021 8:44am
- MCos
  
  You’re complaining because she said she enjoyed being interviewed by him on her birthday?
  
  You’re hard to please.
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:28am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  She did not come across very pleasant – even if smiling a lot and repeating his name back to him.
  If I didn’t know who she was, I wouldn’t feel favourable to her as far as her demeanor under such reasonable and subdued questions.
  Came across as evasive and dead set on controlling the conversation, even though he was actually pretty gentle in the questions pitched.
  She got a bit shitty when he tried to cut over her one of her long winded deflections.
  
  Disappointing line of questioning from Ryan though, given how fired up he had been.
  Might have been better, aside from questioning the 100% success rate & lack of monitoring after the programme (which he did) to question:
  (Q) if she was comfortable with Harry’s “Sieg Heils”, and aware that the Mongrel Mob was being encouraged to vote as a block to support Labour.
  (Q) whether she sees a difference between the Salvation Army running a programme and Mongrel Mob affiliates.
  (Q) The recent raids catching MM people with weapons, drugs and money, and whether she really thinks the gangs have turned over a new leaf – or if this is just another earner for them.
  (Q) Did she really think the cost per head/cost per day was value for money – i.e. Does it cost that much to deliver services to their own gang members, or is there a huge profit in this?
  {Answer to former = No, the latter = YES}
  
  So much to make her squirm with – so he seemed to be playing very nicely with her.
  Perhaps he doesn’t want her to flee from hard questions, like she did with ZB/Hosking.
  
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  July 27, 2021 3:13pm
Maggie Pie

You will remember I commented on GD yesterday about another ‘ALL BLACK’ being arrested for an alleged violent assault on a woman.

Interesting to see that when the police were sent to investigate the incident, they described the alleged perp as being….’someone of significance’

Honestly, I’d never even heard of Shannon Frizell until I read that.
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July 27, 2021 8:55am
- Yabster
  
  not an AB fan huh Maggie?
  
  As an aside why is there a charge “assault of a female” – in this day an age surely its just assault?
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:09am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It’s not that I’m NOT a fan, my partners even got a limited edition Frizell in his office which I really really love. But when you think about say 120kg v 50kg….. it’s more than ‘just an assault’
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:27am
    - Yabster
      
      hey I agree- but the feminist do want equal opportunities…. not really sure the weight should come into it- not all men are 120kg and not all woman are 50kg…… wink
      
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      July 27, 2021 9:37am
      - Nickc2
        
        All sexes should remember that if they feel threatened, they should keep their mouths shut.
        
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        July 27, 2021 7:13pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Is this what you mean ….
      
      https://nypost.com/2019/08/29/video-shows-woman-delivering-big-mac-beatdown-to-man-inside-mcdonalds/
      
      Or maybe this …
      
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3451414/Teenage-girl-throws-boy-ground-California-high-school-knees-face-twice-chased-street-teacher.html#v-2527253773392591329
      
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      July 27, 2021 9:39am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Interesting Maggie.
      a 50kg All Black. Who would have thought?
      
      Just saying 120kg females are not rare in NZ 🙂
      Keep smiling.
      
      Only 3 more lockdowns until Christmas
      
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      July 27, 2021 12:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I am the river. The river is me.
Ko te awa ko au

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/25/rivers-around-the-world-rivers-are-gaining-the-same-legal-rights-as-people
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July 27, 2021 9:15am
- Jack5
  
  This is from Maggy Wassilieff’s link. Add to it the Maori/Ardern takeover of water rights:
  
  Unfortunately, the “elephant in the room,” says Dr Erin O’Donnell of the University of Melbourne and author of a book on rights for rivers, is the fact that none of the rivers legally recognised as living beings or legal persons actually have any rights to the water that flows within their banks.
  
  But rivers, or mountains, as human beings is primitive Naturism. It’s a step further back from Rationalism.
  
  Some theology fan can tell us whether it’s also a step backward from the major Abrahamic religions of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.
  
  I don’t accept that treating companies as legal entities is equivalent to regarding a river as a living spiritual thing.
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:27am
  - krazykiwi
    
    A company is simply the collective actions of a number of natural persons, and it can’t exist without them.
    
    A company can be held accountable for it’s actions.
    
    Can a river be held accountable for its actions?
    
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    July 27, 2021 10:34am
    - cmm
      
      I wonder how well a river would respect a contract to stay within its banks and not flood the surrounding countryside?
      
      Who do we sue when the river fails to do so?
      
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      July 27, 2021 11:08am
    - Jack5
      
      Yes, you can sue a company, but can you sue a river?
      
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      July 27, 2021 2:29pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Primitive animism and paganism still exists. Proponents of tikanga Maori are frequently up to their eyeballs in it. Matariki is another folly exploiting it.
    
    It’s dangerous because of any messing around with spiritual elements will have them messing around with you. Much mental illness has its origins there. Open a gap for a malevolent spirit and they will bring their friends.
    
    When Satan was thrown out of Heaven for pride and sent to the Earth for his territory he brought along a large crowd of followers. We humans exist here amongst them. Their successful deceit is for us to be fooled and unaware of their presence.
    
    The only friendly spirit out there is the one embedded in the Trinitarian Godhead: the Holy Spirit who empowers us to reject the other forces acting against us. Many of us can attest to such being and power.
    
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    July 27, 2021 11:37am
- cmm
  
  Yup, it’s 2021 so this makes sense. Why can’t a river self identify as a person?
  
  How long before swimming in a river is rape?
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:36am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Or the sea for that matter.
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:41am
- I will not surrender
  
  That should kill the treaty of waitangi nonsense since there is plenty of evidence the river was here before either maori or Europeans.
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:53am
- graham
  
  Some people identify as clouds – it’s anybody’s guess where this will end.
  
  https://www.vice.com/en/article/zmbeae/i-look-at-a-cloud-and-i-see-it-as-me-the-people-who-identify-as-objects
  
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  July 27, 2021 9:59am
Ipanema69

Have to comment about Shane Reti commenting this morning that the government is doing the right thing by bringing back an ISIS bride and her children. And that the children would require wrap around support. This will presumably all be at taxpayer expense.

I too have a dependent child with mental health needs. Unfortunately I dont get any “wrap around” support. The waiting list in Auckland for publically funded specialist support is 4months. Thus my partner and I pay for both private psychologists and a psychiatrist to get the help that my child needs.

I actually dont mind doing this I would rather solve my own problems than wait for the government.

However basically what Dr Reti is saying to me is in addition to paying for my childs specialist care, I need to suck it up and pay for someone elses kids as well.
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July 27, 2021 9:27am
- Inandout
  
  Ipan, Reti at times appears to be in the wrong Party. Meanwhile Deborah Manning is representing Aden. Expect hundreds of thousands of dollars spent housing this delightful family.
  
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  July 27, 2021 10:33am
  - RF
    
    ACT is looking pretty good to me.
    
    National is becoming Woke….
    
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    July 27, 2021 11:17am
    - Tall Man
      
      What would you suggest New Zealand does here?
      
      Keep in mind that legally we cannot stop her returning.
      
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      July 27, 2021 2:05pm
    - Jack5
      
      Yep,it keeps picking the Woke side of issues.
      
      If Reti were smart he would have sidestepped this issue if he couldn’t oppose the Ardern terrorist-come-home decision.
      
      Gained nothing, lost a few.
      
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      July 27, 2021 2:27pm
- hilaryt
  
  Yes. Manning lives for this sort of case. Both her & ‘this sort of case’ are incredibly annoying. Nobody should be hurrying to shelter her, spin it out, and I’m sure the kids could’ve been ferried to the rels in Oz if there was any justice for them…but she’s not about to let her ‘winning hand’ get away for their sakes. Far too cynical and rat-cunning for that.
  
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  July 27, 2021 12:01pm
Inandout

A fascinating doco on Mexican drug cartels:
https://www.abc.net.au/foreign/cartel-country/13466464
Now if what that woman says is true and 70% of the world is ‘infected’ by the drug cartel, then what chance little old NZ has been affected? And I am not just talking about our gangs, I am suggesting way up the political tree. Drug dealers here being given plenty of chances to gain residency should sound alarms; though not a peep it seems.
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July 27, 2021 9:27am
Swifty

For all the KB Dads out there….

https://leakreality.com/video/18051/instagrandad
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July 27, 2021 10:21am
Maggie Pie

OMG!! Just watched the entire 12mim vid of Ryan Bridge with Cindy.

Look up the word ‘doppelganger’…..then tell me that’s not Helen Clark.
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July 27, 2021 10:31am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Yep. Surly demeanor.
  
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  July 27, 2021 12:43pm
- Tall Man
  
  Have a close look at the left eye. Not looking good imho.
  
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  July 27, 2021 2:03pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I must watch it again.
    So would that be that my left as I’m looking at her, or my right?
    
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    July 27, 2021 3:07pm
    - greybeard
      
      Watch it twice more, one for each eye.
      Then decide.
      
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      July 27, 2021 4:01pm
      - Biscuit
        
        But, greybeard, that would mean me watching Jacinda ‘in action’ twice.
        
        I’d rather watch Laurel Hubbard…
        
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        July 27, 2021 4:31pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Really Bikkie, …….
        
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        July 27, 2021 8:44pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yep, total out of her depth arrogance. I had to feel a bit sorry for Ryan as he couldn’t shut her up.
  It’s not often I feel sorry for TV Talking Heads but in this case, I have made an exception.
  
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  July 27, 2021 2:12pm
graham

The latest instalment in the long-running story entitled “So you think the MSM are honest and trustworthy, do you?”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/singer-ronan-keating-accepts-damages-in-tabloid-phone-hacking-case/LQUQPHON7VFV6F3JY2YPMUYM3M/

Irish singer Ronan Keating has accepted “substantial damages” from a British tabloid newspaper publisher over phone hacking.

The former member of boy band Boyzone is the latest in a long list of celebrities whose mobile phone voicemail messages were intercepted by News of the World reporters more than a decade ago.

The harm inflicted on people by such despicable actions goes beyond just mere embarrassment.

Keating’s suspicions about who might be leaking personal information to the newspaper “generated distrust which impacted on his relationships and caused him considerable distress and upset“, Gallagher said.

And it wasn’t just an isolated incident.

Owner Rupert Murdoch shut down the 168-year-old News of the World in 2011 after the revelation that its employees had eavesdropped on celebrities, politicians and crime victims. Since then, police investigations, criminal trials and a public inquiry have revealed that phone hacking was widespread at Britain’s tabloids.

“Was”?? Hands up anybody who trusts the MSM wouldn’t pull similar stunts now if they thought they could get away with it.
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July 27, 2021 10:43am
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s worth noting that Miss Honeypot, Andrea Vance used to work for News of the World before coming here.
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:07am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  This is where Andrea Vance came from!!!
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:10am
Maggie Pie

BREAKING.

Rugby player ‘of significance’ facing violent assault charges, has been offered diversion by the court….

more to come.
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July 27, 2021 10:54am
- MCos
  
  Shock Horror
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:33am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    When did you stop beating your wife, Cossie?
    
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    July 27, 2021 1:39pm
- Cinematic
  
  Only offered for minor offences.
  
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  July 27, 2021 1:21pm
- greybeard
  
  A brown rugby player : best possible combination to avoid a proper sentence.
  Can’t offend the brown people.
  Can’t offend the all-important rugby players and supporters.
  A brown All-Black: well, enough said.
  
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  July 27, 2021 3:49pm
Tempist

Any truth to the rumours that Stuff, TV 3’s Project and RNZ are supporting a referendum on changing our national anthem to “Everything is Awesome” from the Lego movie as soon as the Maori translation’s finished being consulted on…?
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July 27, 2021 10:57am
- oldfella
  
  Apparently, Disney is going to dub ‘The Lion King’ and ‘Frozen’ into Te Reo.
  I wonder if the Maori-fied ‘Frozen’ will include footage of that famous canoe voyage to the Antarctic?
  
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  July 27, 2021 4:40pm
Happychappy

More shootings in New Zealand for a Government that is light on law and order and set in its ways about letting harden criminals out of our jails to reduce our prison population.
Car believed to have fled the scene after Wellington shooting.
Armed Police were called to a travers street house in Vogeltown at about 2.45 pm on Sunday and found a 45 year old woman outside with gunshot injuries, the woman remains in hospital in a stable but serios condition.
The Police said as a result of inquiries under taken so far , they believe a vehicle left the area at speed following the shooting.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/car-believed-to-have-fled-the-scene-after-wellington-shooting/UJUEK4TF53L6EUJLP7S3BR4PAE/
This is becoming a weekly occurrence in New Zealand with a Government more interested in looking after the Mongrel Mob and other seasoned criminals than keeping the public safe.
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July 27, 2021 11:04am
- Loddenthinks
  
  That’ll be the new firearms laws working as designed.
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:39am
- ABS4EVA
  
  But the Gangs Turned in their Guns Didn’t they
  
  THEY ARE FRIENDS of CINDIES
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:07pm
krazykiwi

State police now forcibly detaining some NSW citizens in their apartment building.

This is what tyranny looks like. The majority as asked to look the other way because the actions are ‘in their best interest’
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July 27, 2021 11:24am
- MCos
  
  In Auckland people infected with covid-19 are ‘forcibly detained’ too & close contacts must self isolate.
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:46am
  - Cinematic
    
    Some among us celebrate this sort of command and control. They were bullied at school or something.
    
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    July 27, 2021 1:26pm
- Batman
  
  Frankly I think they should be detained and moved to a dedicated facility until no longer ill. The idiot minority shouldn’t be allowed to infect each other and hamper the freedoms of the responsible majority.
  
  Being told to stay home, with all your belongings and the comforts of home, is hardly the defined cruelty of tyranny.
  
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  July 27, 2021 11:54am
  - Yabster
    
    couldn’t agree more Bats the Majority has the priority over the minority……..
    
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    July 27, 2021 1:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Collective punishment for those who were never infected – that is Tyranny. We do it for the good of the commune, Comrade
    
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    July 27, 2021 5:37pm
- Tall Man
  
  What is not clear is whether these are “cases” ie unwell or just positive results from a swab.
  
  As we now know the PCR test is not accurate enough to categorically rule out the common cold so if merely positive tests it is a bit draconian.
  
  However … “Essential, authorised and critical workers are exempt from the restrictions.” which makes me think they are positives not unwell.
  
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  July 27, 2021 2:00pm
- igm
  
  Do not give Ardern ideas, she would love this. Think of the damage her gang mates could inflict.
  
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  July 27, 2021 4:40pm
Swifty

Christian speaker stabbed and slashed at Speaker’s Corner in London’s Hyde Park.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c7gW6ZmTBNo

NSFW.
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July 27, 2021 12:10pm
MCos

Tweet of the day
https://twitter.com/dgcomedy/status/1419756824492838943?s=21
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July 27, 2021 12:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Guest post on Critical Race theory
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/critical-race-theory-what-it-is-and-how-to-fight-it
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July 27, 2021 12:18pm
- Yabster
  
  Great article and unfortunately as I read it the similiarities to NZ just kept poping up..! Just look athe Minstry of Education…
  
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  July 27, 2021 1:04pm
- nathie
  
  Has the time come for those pushing the CRT agenda to be classed as “terrorists”, actively undermining and subverting society and its structures?
  
  That’ll teach them!
  
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  July 27, 2021 2:25pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/UsFbpLUnRMI/

RINOs Going Extinct.

In this video, we’re going to look at the latest RINO, or Republican in Name Only to get booed off the stage, we’re going to see how Republicans in DC playing footies with Nancy Pelosi are about to get put on the chopping block as well and stick with me to the end of this video where I reveal exactly why a new Republican PATRIOT Party is being born right before our very eyes. [12:45 It’s not the rollover Republican party now.]
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July 27, 2021 12:45pm
- Inandout
  
  curry, the mid terms are going to be fascinating because it would take a miracle for Biden to last until then. His CNN stage show was an unmitigated disaster, moments of lucidness with long pauses and then incoherence. I would love to know what was going through Lemon’s head when faced with the more insane responses to his questions. Then we hear Biden is to be tested like Trump was for mental stability. In all honesty I don’t think Jill will allow the test.
  
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  July 27, 2021 1:51pm
  - curry4me
    
    Inandout: I guess the mid-terms will be a red tidal wave. I think it’ll be a race between Quemala pulling the 25th, and Sleepy Joe dumping her. There’s no way he’ll take a cognitive test. The MSM will keep running interference for him.
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This is also part of ‘draining the swamp’ These RINOs are traitors who look after their OWN arse only
  
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  July 27, 2021 5:33pm
  - curry4me
    
    Steve Otto (North Shore): By the end of the mid terms, they’ll be extinct. Not alll extinction events are bad.
    
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    July 27, 2021 8:39pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Hopefully
      
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      July 28, 2021 7:59am
curry4me

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/schools-education-capital-private-education/2021/07/25/id/1029890/

China to Overhaul Private Education Sector ‘Hijacked by Capital’.

China announced a broad set of reforms for private education companies, seeking to decrease workloads for students and overhaul a sector it says has been “hijacked by capital.”
The new regulations, released over the weekend, ban companies that teach school curriculums from making profits, raising capital or going public. They can no longer offer tutoring related to the school syllabus on weekends or during vacations. They also can’t give online or academic classes to children under the age of six, a segment of the population that had increasingly been pushed to start studying early.
[In the early 1980s, the South Korean Dictator banned private English academies. Thet didn’t last long. It looks like the CCP government is going after any potential challenger with money, and power.]
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July 27, 2021 12:45pm
Critical Thinker

Compromise Reached: Everyone Still Afraid Of COVID Will Be Locked Down, Everyone Else Will Live Lives As Normal

In a historic compromise, the world has agreed to come together despite different opinions on lockdowns, vaccinations, masks, and other COVID measures. To bridge the gap between the two broad groups of opinion, those who are still scared of COVID will be locked down in their homes, never to leave again, while everyone else will be free to live their lives as normal.

“This is a great solution for everyone,” said virologist Dr. Bob Reardon. “The people who are scared of the disease will have very little chance of catching it. They can get food delivered to them and watch Netflix shows. They won’t have to be annoyed by seeing people not wearing masks, because the only person they will see will be themselves, and they’ll definitely be wearing a mask while alone in the house.”

Meanwhile, experts say, people who aren’t scared of COVID will just keep living their lives, as many have already been doing for the past year.

“It’s the perfect plan,” said Reardon.
https://babylonbee.com/news/compromise-reached-everyone-still-afraid-of-covid-will-be-locked-down-everyone-else-will-live-lives-as-normal
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July 27, 2021 12:51pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Bee is great stuff
  
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  July 27, 2021 5:31pm
Maggie Pie

Jury can’t reach decision on Epiha attempted murder charge. SHEESH!!

My partner has never actually been on a jury. Been called up a couple of times, but got challenged by Defence counsel on both occassions. Like he says, why would anyone want to sit next to 11 other useless unwashed morons for a week anyway?
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July 27, 2021 1:36pm
- krazykiwi
  
  A jury I once sat on was an eye opener. During deliberation more than half the jurors got the names of the victim and the defendant confused. The quality of analysis, fact retention and critical thought was abysmal. If the unthinkable happened, and I ended up in the dock I think I would rather have my fate in the hands of a judge, because a Jury of My Peers this bunch certainly was not.
  
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  July 27, 2021 2:10pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Almost the same here. Luckily the defendant pled guilty before the end of the trial as it seemed half the jury were looking to judge him not guilty because they didn’t like the police officer giving evidence.
    
    Some thought he was “more shifty” than the burglar FFS.
    
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    July 27, 2021 2:17pm
- [email protected]
  
  When questioned by the defense attorney during jury selection I find that honesty is worthwhile… “Yes Sir, I am happy to give the guilty SOB a fair trial and hang him”.
  
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  July 27, 2021 5:32pm
krazykiwi

More evidence of data being manipulated

Telegraph Exclusive: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission
More than half of Covid hospitalisations are patients who only tested positive after admission, leaked data reveal.

The figures suggest vast numbers are being classed as hospitalised by Covid when they were admitted with other ailments, with the virus picked up by routine testing.

Experts said it meant the national statistics, published daily on the government website and frequently referred to by ministers, may far overstate the levels of pressures on the NHS.

The leaked data – covering all NHS trusts in England – show that, as of last Thursday, just 44 per cent of patients classed as being hospitalised with Covid had tested positive by the time they were admitted.

So near continuous bleating about hospitals becoming overwhelmed has been based on data that more than doubled the actual Covid load.
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July 27, 2021 2:05pm
- Cinematic
  
  That is an outrage. Deliberately misinforming the citizens. Time will show governments around the world pushed a false horror narrative to gain control and ensure compliance. This is fraud and misrepresentation on a scale never seen before.
  
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  July 27, 2021 4:27pm
BananaLlama

In regards to this ISIS terrorist we are required to let into the country.

Generally when someone requires me to do something and i don’t want to do it i just refuse to contact them. Can’t make a decision if you can’t contact me either. Easy.
If she turns up on a plane then put her on another one (preferably a Qantas), send her back and refuse to answer any phone calls. We can play this game for a long time.
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July 27, 2021 3:05pm
- igm
  
  Wait till Manning sorts out her reunification rights. We will see Islamists arriving in the droves, just what Ardern has angled for.
  
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  July 27, 2021 4:38pm
  - [email protected]
    
    Any vote gratefully accepted (terrorists, gang members, Greens, Maori, EV lovers, media, filmmakers, etc., etc.).
    
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    July 27, 2021 5:26pm
    - Tall Man
      
      The communist mantra, destroy what you hate and from what I see she sure as hell hates New Zealand.
      
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      July 27, 2021 6:30pm
graham

I’m confused about an article in the Herald. Entitled “Opinion: Are these the least woke children’s books?”, I can’t quite work out if the author is trying to be funny, or is genuinely worried about the content of these books.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/opinion-are-these-the-least-woke-childrens-books/VLG5HE5XCCQGWFF7EXCXKWT62M/

Examples:

1. The Mr Men series, Roger Hargreaves

While the tales of Roger Hargreaves’ colourful odd-bod characters are innocent enough, consider the names of some of the Men: Mr Strong, Mr Funny, Mr Perfect. Then compare them to a selection from the Little Miss line up: Little Miss Naughty, Little Miss Chatterbox, Little Miss Giggles.

2021 marks 50 years since the first book in the series, Mr Tickle, was published. No doubt, was Hargreaves to conceive of the series today we’d see a far more acceptable range of empowering traits bestowed in place of the Little Miss monikers.

2. The Tiger Who Came to Tea, by Judith Kerr

It’s the final dilemma and its resolve that will irk many new parents reading this classic story: “Mummy”, pictured with broom in hand, looks at the mess left by the tiger and declares: “I don’t know what to do. I’ve got nothing for Daddy’s supper.” Oh, but don’t worry, Mummy (read: damsel in distress), Daddy (knight in shining armour) has arrived home to save the day: when he learns the tiger has “eaten all the food and drunk all the drink”, he comes up with the brilliant idea to take the family out for dinner. Phew.

Mention is also made of “Where the Wild Things Are, by Maurice Sendak” – apparently, Max’s mum sending him to his room without dinner constitutes an “abusive home”.

If the author is trying to be funny and poke fun at today’s woke society, then I apologise for missing the joke. If, however, the author genuinely considers some of the IMAGINARY issues portrayed in these books to be a terrible problem, and thinks that their child will be irreversibly scarred by the thought of a naughty kid being sent to bed without any dinner, then I’m really sorry for that author – and her son. I imagine life in her household must be a rather sad existence.
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July 27, 2021 3:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Click on some of her other “Stuff” lifestyle articles and you will see that she is just a space-filler for the paper.
  
  She’s just presented her silly opinion on a few kiddies’ books…no comment as to whether her child enjoyed or disliked the books (story, pictures, colours, etc)…tho’ he liked poking the bouncy bum!
  
  I didn’t like reading Noddy books to my kids.. but my Hubby did…(I found them boring as a 5 year-old and as an adult)… but both of my kids enjoyed having Daddy read those silly books to them.
  
  And surely that’s all that matters…if kids enjoy a book, then adults should just butt out.
  
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  July 27, 2021 6:01pm
  - graham
    
    Yes indeed.
    
    I’ve said this before, but I think some people spend WA-A-A-YYY too much time over-thinking and over-analysing some things … forgetting (or simply not even thinking about it in the first place) that a five-year-old cares very little about the issues that this lady appears to be agonising over. She seems to be worried, for example, about the implied sexism in “The Tiger Who Came to Tea”, where Mummy is pictured as the damsel in distress and Daddy is the knight in shining armour (her interpretation), whereas the kid is probably quite simply thinking about how cool it would be to have a tiger turn up to your house.
    
    I mean, if this mother reads a book about a tiger turning up to your house and all she can think about is the traditional mother-father roles reinforcing a stereotypical patriarchal society or some such twaddle, I rather think she’s missed the whole point of children’s books. She seems unwilling to enter these books at her child’s level, instead interpreting them through grown-up serious adult eyes.
    
    Which leads to my comment that – if she REALLY thinks like this – then I imagine life in her household must be a rather miserable existence.
    
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    July 27, 2021 6:31pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Vaccine protection quickly wanes. This story says <16% effective at preventing infection after 6 months. frequent boosters are going to be needed 🙁 Also it's best to wait 8 weeks for second dose.

https://www.jpost.com/%20israel-pfizer-news/is-israel-or-the-uk-right-when-it-comes-to-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-674766
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July 27, 2021 3:42pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Take a deep breath and wait for a serious review!(or two).
  
  Remember how the media got all breathless about Sweden’s response to covid and the gazillions that would die. Media supported by comments/projections from all sorts of experts.
  
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  July 27, 2021 4:29pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    The figure of 16% prevention after 6 months came from Israel’s own Health Ministry research. The evidence of diminishing protection over time is only starting to emerge because, well, time has now passed. Every study I’ve read on efficacy now point to this phenomena, hence the pharmas starting to called for annual booster shots from about two months ago.
    
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    July 27, 2021 5:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  And once you get used to the 6 monthly jabs, then comes the jab with a chip, and you won’t even know …..//
  
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  July 27, 2021 5:30pm
cha

Oh noes, they’re in on it, too.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hundreds-san-francisco-bars-require-vaccination-negative-covid-test-drink-n1275090
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July 27, 2021 4:13pm
Maggie Pie

STUFFED HEADLINE

‘Mosque attack victim pleads guilty to sex with 14yo girl’

Wait a minute! Does it really have any bearing on it that this disgusting creep was…. a ‘mosque attack victim’?

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1419855347011915782
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July 27, 2021 4:15pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bound to be taken into account at his sentencing.
  
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  July 27, 2021 5:41pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Next best thing to being…. ‘a rugby player of significance’
    
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    July 27, 2021 5:46pm
    - Jack5
      
      It’ll be golf lessons …
      
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      July 27, 2021 8:52pm
cmm

They are us.
Cultural report.
Stress caused by racism.
etc etc
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July 27, 2021 4:54pm
oldfella

China is angry about a picture of one of their female Olympic weightlifters.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/tokyo-olympics-2020-china-erupts-with-fury-over-ugly-olympics-weightlifting-photo/BVFM7WBL4YXLOB4OKRBASSMFX4/d
Wait till the world sees our female weight lifting sensation.
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July 27, 2021 4:56pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ferald has killed it
  
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  July 27, 2021 5:28pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yup. Once call from representative of the CCP and it’s gone. If Biden can do this with Facebook it’s to be expected that Xi will want throw his weight around similarly.
    
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    July 27, 2021 5:32pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Try here.
    
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    July 27, 2021 5:35pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    Oops looks like an archived link.
    
    https://archive.is/yuvGB
    
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    July 27, 2021 5:57pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/125875875/mosque-attack-victim-pleads-guilty-to-sexual-activity-with-14yearold-girl
Send him back.
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July 27, 2021 5:28pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING BBC…

Yuge fraud uncovered at the Vatican….$340million USD said to be embezzeled in UK property deals.

What next FGS??
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July 27, 2021 5:32pm
- Fletch
  
  Doubtful. The Vatican just voluntarily released all the info covering their properties. I do not think they would have released if it had criminal activity etc.
  
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  July 27, 2021 8:12pm
kevn

NZTA clowns at it as well. Motor homes and horse trucks that have been on the road for years and met all standards, now have a wacky new rule to comply with. ‘Off the road with you’.
Faceless clowns offering no logical reason for the change.
michael woods… clown #1 as minister for NZTA.
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July 27, 2021 6:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  News to me. I get notifications about the VIRM. Maybe the media has been told but not the WOF Inspector? Does not surprise me one bit … Govt fuckup
  
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  July 27, 2021 6:30pm
  - kevn
    
    @SteveO… Better check it out. You might be caught out over summer.
    Just google it, was in the Herald today as well.
    
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    July 27, 2021 9:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

We do not need a hint of the post – it is IN the link OK?
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/judge-jeanine-pirro-warns-biden-is-moving-towards-reparations-with-u-n-racism-and-human-rights-envoy-invitation/?
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July 27, 2021 6:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

See this NZ? The future under Labour and Jaspinda. Those of us who have read history and know what socialism/communism is and how it was done, do not want to get to this stage.
https://rumble.com/vkcup5-these-cuban-protests-at-wh-show-just-how-awful-communism-is.html?
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July 27, 2021 6:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yup, the already got the guns off the ‘honest’ people, but we have gang shootings – but give the gangs money????????
  
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  July 27, 2021 6:44pm
  - sooty
    
    Got to give them something to fight about!
    
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    July 27, 2021 7:10pm

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