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Warren

As many as 45,000 missing from unemployment stats, Maori undercounted.
While I am no friend or fan of Sense Partners Economist Eaqub Shamubeel something smells about benefit statistics under this Government touting a 3.4% rate of unemployment.
Shamubeel said just five years ago benefit statistics registered 6600more people than the household labour force
Survey HLFS, the official measure of unemployment collected by Stats NZ, today the number of people on a benefit is 45,500 higher than HLFS, suggesting a widening gap between what Stats NZ was surveying and what is actually happening.
“Five years ago, jobseeker numbers and unemployment were pretty much the same and now they begin to diverge”, Eaqub said.
“The divergance between HLFS and benefit statistics is acute across ethnic lines and the largest for Maori,” he said.
This is consistent with much larger surveys errors in the HLFS for Maori especially as many as 45,000 are missing from unemployment Stats , Maori undercounted especially those who live away from large Urban areas.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/as-many-as-45000-missing-from-unemployment-stats-maori-undercounted/6HMNQIMO7CZOHRSAVTPXRFGIT4/
Is this just more incompetence from a out of there depth Government or is this and new way for Labour to manipulate unemployment figures just like they have done everytime they have become the Government.
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November 4, 2021 8:00am
- cmm
  
  Ever since Auntie Helen’s day, WINZ (or whatever it is called now) have been obliged to try to push people onto the sickness benefit so that they don’t turn up as unemployed.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:10am
  - Leofric
    
    A cousin of mine in his early 60s is recently unemployed. He was driving tourist coaches and the work dried up. No surprise there. Due to some heart-related issues that in no way impacted his driving career, he has however been placed on the sickness benefit rather than the dole.
    
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    November 4, 2021 8:54am
    - SoloView
      
      Leofric
      That’s interesting. A friend of mine working in a container terminal had heart issues. Didn’t stop him driving his car, but he had a 6 month stand down from forklift driving. Not allowed to restart until he had a medical after that period.
      
      My point – from a safety point of view I wouldn’t want to be in a coach driven by someone with heart issues (however minor)
      
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      November 4, 2021 4:07pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  It’s all in how it’s measured, all OECD Govt’s fudge the figures to suit their self promotional purposes. For eg. only those who are “actively looking for work” are classified as unemployed, but lockdown conditions make this impractical.
  
  For reference, the ABC has just had a series of articles exposing Australians unemployment calculations; I’ve never seen anything similar from NZ media however our stats criteria are aligned.
  
  Meet the millions of people who aren’t employed, who aren’t considered ‘unemployed’ – ABC News
  
  Why doesn’t the unemployment rate make sense? Because it’s not designed for you – ABC News
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:14am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-31/meet-the-millions-of-people-who-are-not-employed/100582656
    
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-17/why-are-millions-of-unemployed-people-excluded-from-the-data/100543854
    
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-24/unemployment-statistics-are-not-designed-for-jobseekers/100548688
    
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    November 4, 2021 8:39am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Surely the numbers of unemployed should be GREATER than the numbers of people on an unemployment benefit. Some people seeking work will be ineligible for a benefit. For example they are in a relationship where their partner is working.
  
  How on earth can there be more job seeker beneficiaries than job seekers? ?
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:28am
- fisho
  
  The govt are using the temporary jobs created by vaccination centres and the likes to makes things look rosier than they are. Every person moving cones, holding a clipboard or cleaning down surfaces is one less in the unemployment numbers. Crafty buggers.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:45am
  - ecco
    
    Yes I noticed that at the East Tamaki vax centre. Must have given first dibs of the jobs to the local marae.
    
    I heard the pay rate for these jobs and the covid contact tracing jobs was $25 per hour and double time in the weekends.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:19am
    - Bridgenag
      
      $35 I was told
      
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      November 4, 2021 11:33am
- 7kiwi11
  
  I imagine stats will be going up. My partners workplace in private healthcare has let go of several people who are refusing to get jabbed of refusing to declare their heath status.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:10am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Sorry 7kiwi down ticked due to large fingers and small phone
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:39am
- Maxx
  
  As well as the shonky numbers, what should also being talked about is
  – Wages increased by 2.4% while inflation is currently sitting at almost 5%. Most workers are worse off
  – Still a huge amount of people working few hours than normal
  – The employed but worked no hours figures are still huge
  
  All of this pointing to people are arguably worse off and the December quarter is not going to be any better.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:54am
- Fletch
  
  Yep, the economist guy said on the news that it was the lowest unemployment since 1987. Trump pulled it off, but I just don’t see the this govt doing it with the policies they have and in the current climate. Something smells off.
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:46am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    A bought economist is a thing of beauty for a sycophantic desiring govt.
    
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    November 4, 2021 11:38am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Now do you still wonder why Ardern stopped gathering data for “Labour force survey”….The survey of those adults actually employed.
  Wonder how low that number is now?
  
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  November 4, 2021 12:25pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  When you have a government hellbent on foisting proven-dangerous utopian neomarxist objectives on the population, this will require as a matter of necessity the systematic use of state sponsored deception.
  
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  November 4, 2021 5:50pm
krazykiwi

Here’s a throwback theme: dodgy Covid mortality statistics.

Italian Higher Institute of Health Adjusts Number of Deaths Due to Covid Alone Since February 2020 Downwards From Over 130,000 to under 4,000

The Italian Higher Institute of Health had adjusted downwards its estimate of the number of people who’ve died from Covid, as opposed to with Covid, from over 130,000 to under 4,000. Yes, you read that right. Turns out 97.1% of deaths hitherto attributed to Covid were not due directly to Covid.

According to its latest report on Covid mortality, the Institute says COVID-19 has killed fewer people than the average bout of seasonal flu. According to the statistical sample of medical records collected by the Institute, only 2.9% of the deaths registered since the end of February 2020 have been due to COVID-19. So, of the 130,468 deaths registered by official statistics dating back to the beginning of the pandemic, only 3,783 are due to the virus alone.

My personal risk of dying of Covid in the next 12 months (and that assumes 100% of my age cohort get infected) is 0.00062%. My risk of dying in a fiery motor vehicle accident while having Covid-19 is many, many times greater.
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November 4, 2021 8:01am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I saw that last night. People trying to work out why the sudden backtrack, one theory is that those technocrats in power are reading the room and seeing the anger growing on the streets. Maybe a fear of piano wire is doing the rounds. This might be a way to begin the rollback of the insanity? Who would know in these astonishing times. But it’s at least a positive move.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:06am
  - surfing
    
    Since Italy is such an arbiter of the truth…read this…
    
    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/only-very-old-sick-die-covid-if-vaccinated-italian-study-shows-2021-10-20/
    
    They certainly believe in the vaccine.
    
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    November 4, 2021 8:25am
  - Fisiani2
    
    My letter to my bridge club.
    
    Non vaccinated people should never be excluded from a church, a choir, a bridge club or having the ability to travel out of Auckland whenever they want. They should be allowed to play sport and attend sport. They are human beings and although they might be misinformed in my opinion and hesitant they are still entitled to be treated as human beings. Doctors are ethically obliged to treat any patient that presents. I will never ask for their vaccination status. Those who are unvaccinated are not a danger to those who are double vaxxed. They are not plague carriers. Covid will be present in New Zealand because of our government’s arrogant belief that we could keep a virus out of New Zealand due to protection of the Tasman Sea and the incredible slowness of vaccination. I am all for encouragement and information and support, but I am appalled at the coercion and making them lose their jobs simply because their beliefs are not respected. The majority should never trample on the rights of the minority.
    
    In the 1930’s in Germany it was decreed that Jewish people had to wear a yellow star on their clothes. How awful.
    
    Will we make the unvaxxed wear a black Kiwi Star to proclaim their heresy!
    
    I welcome anyone to the bridge club, male or female or trans. I welcome people of every faith and none. I welcome people of every race and skin colour, age and creed.
    We must not let our fear of the virus turn us into tyrants. We must never discriminate.
    
    I am Spartacus.
    
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    November 4, 2021 11:46am
- cmm
  
  This is a shocking manipulation of data for fear porn. No wonder people are less trusting of the bullshit they are being fed.
  
  Never before has a “case” been used to refer to asymptomatic people.
  
  Never before has a asymptomatic condition been listed as a cause of death. Where are the 10,000 flu deaths a year? Where are the 15,000 prostate cancer deaths? Nope: only CV19 gets counted that way!
  
  Will our latest “Covid death” be counted as one or not?
  
  I suppose there’s a good chance that their vaccination status will be taken into consideration when making the determination: fully vaccinated – no, unvaccinated: yes.
  
  Curious that Stuff is even letting the cat out of the bag. Many of the 58 CV19 “patients” currently in hospital are not there because of CV19.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-one-person-dies-while-isolating-with-covid-at-south-auckland-address/MCXYD7R2PYIIAUZY4CASIXXL6E/
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:18am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    “There are 58 people in hospital, including three people in ICU. Not all of those in hospital, however, are there because Covid is their primary diagnosis. For instance, some are pregnant.”
    Exactly, word for word, what Ashley said yesterday in his public report on live TV. Try to keep up.
    
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    November 4, 2021 8:30am
    - Sacha
      
      Pregnancy in itself is not a cause for hospital admission.
      A positive swab for Covid19 is not a cause for hospital admission, and neither are the mild symptoms caused by the the body’s defence mechanisms ramping up.
      What IS a cause for hospital admission is the danger of not treating the symptoms early enough to AVOID complications – which are MOST COMMONLY to do with clotting of the blood. Once this condition is established the body is endangered, and circulation to any organ can be impaired, threatening life itself – and doubly so in the case of pregnancy.
      Dr Pierre Kory, an Intensive Care specialist (google if you haven’t heard him speak), who sees patients at the end of their COVID experience, believes that most deaths from the virus are the direct result of too late/too little treatment of the first symptoms. Apparently, according to some reports, it was discovered that drugs were not given in high enough doses to be effective.
      
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      November 4, 2021 11:43am
- surfing
  
  What is your age, bmi, and blood pressure.
  
  Clearly you are not vaccinated.
  
  There is a calculator, we can work out your risk.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:18am
- CJames
  
  I read that article too kk in Daily Sceptic and I saw Toby’s disclaimer at the bottom which could totally change the report. To save others the trouble of opening the link, it says ” We trawled through the various websites of the Italian National Institute of Health (NIH) and National Institute of Statistics to try to corroborate this piece from an Italian newspaper, and it appears to be based on this report (in English) published on or before October 20th. The author of the piece is effectively stating his opinion that only those who died of Covid without comorbidities (2.9%) should be counted as a Covid death, and then extrapolates from there to suggest that the ‘real’ Covid death toll over the period in question was only 3,783. This is all contrary to the report itself and to the NIH’s detailed guidance (in Italian) on how to classify Covid deaths. It thus seems as though the article severely misrepresents the position of the NIH, but a lot seems to have been lost in translation and this is really just an opinion piece where the author is poking fun at the NIH while trying to make a point about the risks of Covid.”
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:33am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Interesting. Thanks for this. I expect the truth is somewhere in between, ie some comorbidities could reasonably have been the primary cause of mortalities, while others may have been incidental. Just on that, in my age cohort 94% of ‘Covid’ deaths involve a medically significant comorbidity – extreme obesity, hypertension, diabetes, COPD etc.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:14am
    - bennerg
      
      I’ve always understood influenza to be like a vacuum cleaner that comes along and takes those “at the tipping point”. Often referred to as the “old person’s friend”, it gave a quick and relatively peaceful end.
      
      Covid is no different. It and related illnesses are a part of life that we need to accept, and understand the part they have to play with this world.
      
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      November 4, 2021 10:08am
      - Sacha
        
        Yes. It was actually the pneumonia that affected the lungs that finally caused death, and it would take about 3 days from onset. When I did my hospital-based nursing training in the late 1950’s we spent a lot of time looking after the dying, actually nursing them, and learnt how to make the end of life easier for all concerned, which was quite a challenge for 18 year-olds, and we knew that pneumonia was indeed ‘the old people’s friend’. Death would be peaceful for both patient and family, and allow time for acceptance and release.
        There are worse ways to depart this life –
        
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        November 4, 2021 11:56am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Thanks
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:28am
  - cmm
    
    It’s very murky and subjective how this stuff gets counted.
    
    Even when CV19 was a contributor to death, how much should it be counted?
    
    In cases with many comorbidities (almost all of them), the comorbidities will often be taking the person to 90% of the way to death, then CV19 just gives them the extra 10% to push them over the line. Should that really be counted as a CV19 death?
    
    My mother was a case like this. She died in August (double vaccinated). She had cancer and heart problems (caused in part by an obese life and all the meds she was taking … and being 85). She developed CV19 in both lungs and that pushed her over the edge.
    
    Without CV19 she would probably have lived another couple of months and died around now.
    
    So would it be fair to count her as a CV19 death? Technically it shortened her life, but the reality is that the comorbidities really did most of the work. If she had had CV19 without the cancer and heart problems, she’d most likely still be alive.
    
    These grey areas make it so easy to manipulate the numbers according to an agenda.
    
    There are various protocols used to try to make the statistics sensible. Those seem to be used for all diseases – except CV19.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:31am
    - Taieri
      
      These grey areas make it so easy to manipulate the numbers according to an agenda.
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      Singapore appears to be the only country that counted deaths as caused by Covid only when there’re no other contributing/causative factors.
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:38am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  “only 3,783 are due to the virus (alone).” Keep re-arranging those deck chairs.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:56am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I always smile when you post, because your middle name is ‘Ronald’ (apparently).
    Do your big Clown shoes make it difficult driving?
    -snigger
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:04am
    - cmm
      
      Well they certainly seem to bugger up his aim.
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:20am
- Taieri
  
  It gives me no pleasure to say that you’re cherry picking here as the article in dailysceptics contains a couple of caveats.
  
  One of these says: “(…)It thus seems as though the article severely misrepresents the position of the NIH, but a lot seems to have been lost in translation and this is really just an opinion piece where the author is poking fun at the NIH while trying to make a point about the risks of Covid(…)”
  
  While there’s been many instances of obfuscating the real picture in various media with regards to Covid-related deaths it serves no good purpose to do the same thing from the other, rational side.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:00am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Noted, and agreed. I’ll dial back the breathlessness 🙂
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:15am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Maybe read a little further before using that source – it doesn’t say what you think it does
  
  “We trawled through the various websites of the Italian National Institute of Health (NIH) and National Institute of Statistics to try to corroborate this piece from an Italian newspaper, and it appears to be based on this report (in English) published on or before October 20th. The author of the piece is effectively stating his opinion that only those who died of Covid without comorbidities (2.9%) should be counted as a Covid death, and then extrapolates from there to suggest that the ‘real’ Covid death toll over the period in question was only 3,783. This is all contrary to the report itself and to the NIH’s detailed guidance (in Italian) on how to classify Covid deaths. It thus seems as though the article severely misrepresents the position of the NIH, but a lot seems to have been lost in translation and this is really just an opinion piece where the author is poking fun at the NIH while trying to make a point about the risks of Covid.”
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:04am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Noted, and agreed. I’ll dial back the breathlessness 🙂
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:15am
- mawm
  
  “According to the Institute, 65.8% of Italians who died after being infected with Covid were ill with arterial hypertension (high blood pressure), 23.5% had dementia, 29.3% had diabetes, and 24.8% atrial fibrillation. Add to that, 17.4% had lung problems, 16.3% had had cancer in the last five years and 15.7% suffered from previous heart failures.”
  
  The above were not necessarily dying from their diseases. With Italy being a developed nation in all probability their diseases were controlled but by having these diseases they were more vulnerable to being killed by Covid19 than those who did not have a coexisting disease. So that reduction from 130 000 to 4 000 only tells me that 4 000 patients had no coexisting disease.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:47am
- I remember when
  
  So Covid can be deadly but Covid plus fear, and overhyped world media, is many times more dangerous.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:52am
- Aquataur
  
  While I’m a Covid sceptic, if you look at the original article, and the ‘Stop Press’ comments at the end, it appears that the claim above is a very mistaken translation of the original Italian report
  
  A shame tho
  
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  November 4, 2021 4:23pm
Yvette

Climate Change in Scotland – and if you aren’t shaw about this, scroll on down the screen –

COP26: New Zealand’s methane deal catches government officials off-guard, leaves farmers stunned

“There was a shift in the schedule, we thought it was coming out next week, but these things happen,” Shaw says.
If the government was caught off-guard on Wednesday morning, then farmers were stunned.

New Zealand already has a goal of reducing biogenic methane by 10 percent by 2030 and because the 30 percent target is a global goal to be reached collectively, not individually, Shaw is promising no extra impact on our farmers.

“We need some honesty from the Government around this about what we are going to measure and what we are looking to reduce,” Barr says. [1]

Benjamin Netanyahu’s exit may be a chance for New Zealand to reset its relationship with Israel.
New Zealand’s relations with Israel during Netanyahu’s time in power were strained. They reached their lowest point in 2016, when Israel severed working ties with New Zealand for six months, after New Zealand co-sponsored UN Security Council Resolution 2234 that condemned Israel’s policy of settlement-building in the West Bank.
It was reported at the time that Netanyahu was personally furious at New Zealand’s involvement, telling NZ’s then foreign minister Murray McCully that co-sponsoring the resolution would be tantamount to a “declaration of war”. [2]

Regarding Resolution 2334, New Zealand took the already rejected and withdrawn Egyptian draft resolution (worded with assistance from the UK and approved by the Palestinians) and added 13 paragraph numbers to the Islamic Egyptian original and re-tabled it otherwise verbatim and, with the collusion of the US abstaining, passed it – not long after John Kerry’s visit to Wellington, November 2016.
New Zealand’s disgrace is that one man, Murray McCully, formulated New Zealand’s foreign policy single handedly, without recourse to Cabinet approval. Subsequently politicians have not remedied the issue.
So Resolution 2334 was passed as the representation of all New Zealanders, when it was not.

Both documents are online and can easily be compared –
• Text of Egyptian-drafted resolution on settlements scheduled for vote at the UN Security Council on December 22, 2016 ( 933 words ) link [3] • Resolution 2334 (2016) – New Zealand ( 946 words – difference: 13 paragraph numbers ) Adopted by the Security Council at its 7853rd meeting, on 23 December 2016 [4] 
“I went to bed feeling deflated. It was nice to have a resolution…It would have been nicer if it had been our one.” – Gerard van Bohemen, a New Zealand Judge and a former Permanent Representative of New Zealand to the United Nations, New York
From a Shalom Kiwi article: How New Zealand pushed a trophy resolution through and scored an own goal [5]

It seems average New Zealanders have no idea this is what happened, to gauge in any way if it matters, measured against the motivation and values that drew thousands of relatives to sacrifice their lives in War, for freedom.

Which troubled Winton Peters, enough to insist it be recorded in the Labour – New Zealand First Coalition Agreement –
• Record a Cabinet minute regarding the lack of process followed prior to the National-led government’s sponsorship of UNSC2334. [6]
But Winston fails to say if he now knows “details of briefing documents, correspondence, and other relevant documents” that he requested and didn’t receive, is because they don’t exist.
But Winston fails to say if he now knows “details of briefing documents, correspondence, and other relevant documents” that he requested and didn’t receive, because we don’t have those documents … Egypt does.

Not New Zealand’s proudest moment.
New Zealand’s disgrace is that one man, Murray McCully, formulated New Zealand’s foreign policy single handedly, without recourse to Cabinet approval. Subsequently politicians have not remedied the issue, nor, it appears, even ceased the process.

So has James Shaw acted without reference to Cabinet?
Will Winston have a field day? Without fully knowing why?
Is the Climate Commission 402 page, half of it in Maori, Report now a total pfiser?
Or did Ardern and Cabinet know a few hours after Shaw, but didn’t have time even to inform the nation.
Perhaps because Jacinda was too busy avoiding any “conversation” with protestors?

Read this far? I am tired too already.
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[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/cop26-new-zealand-s-methane-deal-catches-government-officials-off-guard-leaves-farmers-stunned.html
[2] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/06/opinion-benjamin-netanyahu-s-exit-may-be-a-chance-for-new-zealand-to-reset-its-relationship-with-israel.html
[3] https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-draft-un-security-council-resolution-demanding-israel-cease-all-settlement-activities/
[4] https://www.un.org/webcast/pdfs/SRES2334-2016.pdf
[5] https://shalom.kiwi/2017/03/how-new-zealand-pushed-trophy-resolution-through-scored-own-goal/
[6] https://www.parliament.nz/media/4486/362429780labourandnewzealandfirstcoalitionagreement.pdf
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November 4, 2021 8:02am
- Paulus
  
  Shaw does not even get to Glasgow until Saturday as there was no accommodation available at the time of booking until after the Leaders left.
  The top 200 Countries were there though for the photoshoots.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:32am
  - ecco
    
    Lucky break that Ardern couldn’t prance around at this meet. It’s right up her ally and would have done her UN chances a world of good with all that networking and world media attention.
    
    Must have been the usual parliamentary omnishambles with Shaw not making it there in time for the prime time. He was on the news last night struggling to explain why he’s not there now.
    
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    November 4, 2021 10:54am
    - sooty
      
      Not important enough! HHHHHHHAAAAAAAA.
      Only gets to turn up with the plebs.
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:58pm
- Taieri
  
  Is the Climate Commission 402 page, half of it in Maori, Report now a total pfiser?
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  Always has been. The Commission is a joke. In bad taste…
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:02am
  - Yvette
    
    Taieri
    And so the Climate Commission, in their cultural mis-appropriation of so much te reo and allusions to te Ao Maori – the Maori world – have besmirched those aspects of Maori in thousands of now meaningless words, more so than the randomly politically correct use of one word by Susan Devoy when she coined the phrase “hate korero”.
    
    “This is an invitation to you. This COP, learn our histories, listen to our stories, honour our knowledge and get in line, or get out of the way.” – India Logan-Riley spoke during the Procedural Opening of the COP26 UN Climate Summit in Glasgow, Scotland. India mentioned ”I am the same age as these negotiations”
    
    I suspect India Logan-Riley would have an interesting opinion about the Climate Commission Report’s now bad taste use of te reo and te Ao Maori.
    
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    November 4, 2021 10:00am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Buried among the Te Reo misuse can be disguised worship of their ancient deities still recognised by some Maori. Worshipping Maori pagan spirits is not good for your health. Bad spiritual forces do exist and it’s best to be aware rather than unknowingly tangle with them.
      The Trinitarian God of the Christians is OK, the others are not.
      
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      November 4, 2021 11:48am
Biscuit

Now that it must be clear, even to Jacinda, that she is not as popular in Publicland as she fondly thinks she is, how long before she decides to reinstate her ‘Give us this day our daily story’ routine at 1pm in front of her acolytes ‘Jessica then Tova’?
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- cmm
  
  … but Twitter thinks she’s awesome!
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:07am
- Hollyfield
  
  According to Chris Hipkins, people protesting are just a small group being bussed from city to city. Can’t wait to see how they spin the protests when Jacinda visits Auckland, given that this “small group” will not be able to cross the border into Auckland.
  Also I love the irony of timing – Jacinda made Trevor Mallard change isolation rules in Parliament so she wouldn’t have to back down on why she couldn’t visit Auckland, now there is no way she’ll want to come to face the anger in Auckland and it’s because of her she no longer has an excuse preventing her from coming.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:13am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    So how did they get from Northland to Whanganui by bus then, without being stopped at a border either side of Auckland? From what I have seen in photos and video, the people protesting yesterday were overwhelmingly locals.
    
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    November 4, 2021 8:20am
    - Flossie
      
      Bus? She is too busy to be hours on a bus. She would’ve flown of course.
      
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      November 4, 2021 8:24am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        No, not the PM Flossie; she would never go by bus, unless it was a media opportunity. No, Hipkins was alleging that the anti-vaxxers are travelling from town to town by bus to protest against the Government. That was before his brain fart over Aucklanders leaving town at Christmas. I think the pressure of two massive portfolios is getting to him.
        
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        November 4, 2021 8:57am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        What sort of plane? I do not think it would commercial.
        
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        November 4, 2021 9:10am
      - Flossie
        
        Apologies Tony. I see what you meant.
        
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        November 4, 2021 9:11am
    - Hollyfield
      
      The spin is hilarious. Also framing the protests as “anti-vaxxers” allows them to dismiss any protest as just a small bunch of loonies and nobody they need be concerned with. (Please note I am not calling anti-vaxxers loonies, nor am I suggesting the protesters are anti-vaxxers, I am just pointing out how the Government is framing it.)
      
      https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-demand/week-on-demand/
      Put in Auckland 8am, then it’s at the 57sec mark.
      
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      November 4, 2021 8:26am
      - Mr_Blobby
        
        I am not antivax.
        
        I am prochoice.
        
        There is a difference.
        
        I am more anti this vaccine, because it does not work like a vaccine should.
        
        It does not Sterilize the virus and prevent transmission.
        
        I also don’t want to compromise my immune system to the point I require ongoing booster shots for protection.
        
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        November 4, 2021 9:12am
      - pdm
        
        Ooops Tony think I must have it the report key by accident – sincere apologies if it causes any grief for you.
        
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        November 4, 2021 9:16am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        What a pathetic leader she is, barricaded up in a town hall corridor giving a “press conference “ because she doesn’t want to face her victims and then skulks off out the back door with her minders.
        
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        November 4, 2021 12:27pm
    - Paulus
      
      Fly I expect as she owns AirNZ.
      
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      November 4, 2021 8:33am
      - pdm
        
        No – Grunter as Finance Minister has 51%. Maybe he gifted some of that to Jacinda.
        
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        November 4, 2021 3:21pm
    - Opie
      
      They were locals alright. I was in Wanganui in the weekend and the same angry mob was protesting at the local markets.
      
      Something about my body my choice…
      
      Couldn’t agree more.
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:17am
    - alloytoo
      
      Hipkins is spinning so much he should be plugged into Huntly.
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:24am
      - pdm
        
        Hook him on to a windmill. More eco friendly so they say and he may take out a few seagulls and other birds.
        
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        November 4, 2021 3:23pm
    - Ehlana
      
      The “small group” hopped into a boat Tony. That’s how they got from Northland to Whanganui without crossing the boundaries through Auckland.
      
      Chris Hipkins misspoke. He meant to say waka. It means both canoe (boat) and vehicle (bus) you see.
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:33am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    They’re just trouble makers.
    
    They should have a bath and get a job!
    
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    November 4, 2021 8:46am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Who? The Prime Minister and her support staff?
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:20am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Heh
        
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        November 4, 2021 10:04am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Really? Just trouble makers. They should have a bath and get a job. Only I thought they were protesting about losing the jobs they have because they’re exercising their rights under the UN and the NZ bill of rights. If rights only exist when they are not needed then they are meaningless
      
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      November 4, 2021 6:21pm
  - Maxx
    
    I can see Chippies logic in that – after all, every other protest we see in New Zealand is generally the same people who have done their arts and crafts that weekend to change their signs to whatever the next protest is about and off they go. What else have the unemployed got to do when there is no accountability to finding a job?
    
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    November 4, 2021 10:13am
- G152
  
  Yesterday.
  From Wanganui (and Whanganui ).
  Some-one doesn’t believe Cindys hooee
  
  She runs away,flu its all a fail
  Getting old that fractured tale
  And Hunterville where shepherds sport
  There was no room for crone and court
  Onward on word to trusting sands
  She’ll finally get up to Auckland
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:45am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Cinders is on her way to the first ejection seat out of Rongotai.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:53am
- pdm
  
  Biscuit she is going to be stuffed if she reverts to that plan because Tova will not be there – she is going to be on the Breakfast Show and not eligible for the special gatherings.
  
  Jacinda will now have to go Jess then Barry – even now I can hear her thinking `bloody hell not that Barry his questions are too hard’.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:54am
  - alloytoo
    
    I guess Tova’s read the room.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:26am
  - ecco
    
    I think though PDM, that Ardern will use Toxic Tova’s show as her new breakfast radio mouthpiece next year.
    
    Toxic’s show will get all the latest government covid scoops and boat loads of media bribe fund grants. It will be an echo chamber of a show. Can’t think of anything worse.
    
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    November 4, 2021 10:57am
    - pdm
      
      Everyone would be surprised if she didn’t ecco.
      
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      November 4, 2021 3:25pm
    - Tricati
      
      Especially when Tova is backed up by Duncan Garner and the ex Kiwi Build ‘Communications’ manager Rachel Smalley – All woke Jacinda fans so you can already see the narrative.
      
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      November 4, 2021 4:26pm
      - ecco
        
        Don’t think Garner is an Ardern fan by any means. Neither Smalley.
        
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        November 4, 2021 6:31pm
Raphael

So the Government is saying to areas that aren’t yet at 90%, if you don’t want to invaded by the Aucklanders who have been lucky enough to get an exit window, just keep below the 90%?

And what happens if the fully vaccinated Aucklander is travelling to an area where the DHB is at over 90% and they have to travel through an area that is below 90%? are they allowed to get out the car?
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November 4, 2021 8:03am
- KevO'Brien
  
  These arbitrary rules should be challenged in Court. That’s not testing the sovereignty of govt but it’s process and whether that is compatible with the Bill of Rights.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:57am
- alloytoo
  
  yes, their very arrival improves the stats. 😉
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:27am
- Maxx
  
  It’s just another way to deflect the blame away from themselves onto others. If you are a Cindy fan and are upset you can’t get out for xmas, now you have someone to blame. And it doesn’t have to be your neighbour either – just lookup on the NZHeralds lovely DHB tracker and pick a region to be pissed off about.
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:17am
Tony Stuart

I spotted this Ode to Jacinda on FB last night; all credit to the author, Val Davis:

Oh, how the mighty are fallen
Did you get the message, dear?
Did the people on your whirlwind tour
Make their feelings clear?

Did you think a trip to Northland
Would endear you to the crowd?
Ten minutes worth of gobbledy-gook
And they’d sing your praises loud?

One question from a journalist
And you were almost toast
Where were Jessica and Tova
When you needed them the most?

Oooh, no, Jacinda, sorry dear,
You’ve misjudged this one, petal,
Feelings are running scorching hot
And I’m not sure that they’ll settle

And how about Whanganui, then,
Where I think you got the finger?
If you do return to Auckland
I don’t suppose you’ll linger

Quite a turn up for the books
About time, too, I reckon,
Time for you to plan ahead
Does resignation beckon?

So, sorry, Jacinda, too late now
Just head off back to Welly
Stick the jug on, put your feet up,
Sit and watch the telly

No-one wants to see you, dear,
You’ve made our lives too tough
Stay inside your ivory tower
NZ has had enough

Val Davis
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November 4, 2021 8:03am
dcrane

This guy nails it:

“When the government knows everything about you, that’s tyranny. When you know everything about your government, that’s democracy.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00HRYQVgN1o
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November 4, 2021 8:03am
- pdm
  
  What brilliant prose!!!
  
  Well done.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:04am
- Fletch
  
  Pathetic that redacted document the vaccine makers shared with the EU. Something smells. I wouldn’t mind seeing the agreement with NZ as well.
  
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  November 4, 2021 11:04am
Bill Felt

Well I guess there is a positive to all this stuff.

We will be having a change in Government in 2 years time. Two long years!
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November 4, 2021 8:03am
- Bridgenag
  
  We can’t wait that long We already have a name change. Bought media Half the country given to the 16% etc etc
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:17am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    ~~16%~~ 5%. Intermarriage and loss of tribal affiliations have seriously reduced Maori ID and genes.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:00am
  - pdm
    
    We do ot have a name change in our house.
    
    mrspdm and I are staunch New Zealanders.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:06am
- JibberJabber
  
  Maybe we should run a sweepstake?
  I’m doubting this Cluster*^#! will go the distance…
  The only thing keeping them in the game is the compliancy of their bought and paid-for media.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:32am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas
    
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    November 4, 2021 7:54pm
Vory v zakone

When Sleepy Joe Biden wakes up shortly, somebody’s gonna have to tell him he’s now officially presiding over the collapse of the Democrat party
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November 4, 2021 8:05am
- G152
  
  Ah but Trump.
  When his world is falling blame Trump
  Trump Trump Trumpity Trump
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:47am
cmm

South Africa has just held municipal elections. While these are municipal elections, the same major parties are involved in both municipal and parliamentary elections, so they also stand as a proxy for sentiment on national issues too.

Less than 20% of eligible voters voted. So much for worrying about “one man, one vote”!

After 27 years of promises and “give us a chance” and blaming things on colonialism, people are starting to lose confidence in the ruling ANC – particularly at municipal and service delivery levels.

Massive corruption at all levels of national and municipal government have resulted in most municipalities being broke and failing to do the basics: water, sewerage, fixing pot holes and delivering electricity.

Last week Eskom (the national power provider) was in chaos with level 4 load shedding (that means an average of 6 hours of power cuts per day). Eskom ran the generation flat out – way past normal operational conditions – over the election day to provide the ANC with a “good look”.

Within hours of the polls closing, Eskom returned to load shedding and, to put in an extra boot, the government announced a massive price hike for fuel (average increase for petrol, diesel and kero of approx R1.50 – NZ15c). While NZ15c might not sound like much, consider that the minimum wage is around NZ$2 and the new price is now above that.

This is the first election where the ANC has polled below 50%.. This will force the ANC into many coalitions to keep itself in power. So who will it buddy up with? The only viable option is the EFF – an ultra-Marxist group that sprung from the ANC youth wing that scored 10% of the vote

Like Winnie’s “king maker” games here in NZ, EFF will be able to play them there. This is going to allow EFF to force some of their untra-Marxist policies. Not looking good for anyone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_South_African_municipal_elections
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November 4, 2021 8:07am
- Raphael
  
  The ANC has ruled now for 30 years. They are a lazy, corrupt fat cats (or to borrow from Orwell, the pigs who are more equal than others).
  The EFF are the psychotic nutters who tried to launch a coup this year (they helped instigate the riots). If the ANC has to rely on them, SA will be screwed as Malema wants all farms, banks etc. to be nationalised.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:15am
  - cmm
    
    “If the ANC has to rely on them”
    
    The only other option for the ANC would be to give up the trough – and that is unthinkable. The only option for them is to jump in the sack with Malema.
    
    And Malema is not going to be a cheap date!
    
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    November 4, 2021 8:23am
    - mawm
      
      Ramaphosa is as much a radical Marxist as Malema and he’d probably welcome Malema but I think it’s wiser heads in the ANC Central Committee holding him back. And I’m saying this with full knowledge that the SACP are the brains in the ANC/SACP/COSATU alliance.
      
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      November 4, 2021 10:05am
      - cmm
        
        Could be, but the troughers will do anything to keep their snouts wet.
        
        Ramaphosa has often been cast as a successful businessman, but he’s never been more than a bloody criminal.
        
        Ramaphosa was the vice president during the Zuma years and tries to bullshit people that he was completely unaware of the shady deals Zuma was making. When that is no longer believable he then switches to say he was fighting the corruption from the inside.
        
        The truth is that he is as corrupt as Zuma, but is a lot more clever and better at hiding it.
        
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        November 4, 2021 1:10pm
  - kowtow
    
    Sadly which ever way you cut it , SA is screwed.
    
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    November 4, 2021 8:52am
    - Inandout
      
      kowtow, but..but..NZ marched to make SA the rainbow nation and an example to the world…honest they did.
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:12am
      - mawm
        
        It was the cancelled Springbok tour that did it. /s
        
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        November 4, 2021 10:00am
  - Diogenes
    
    I have met a great many South Africans in New Zealand (many white, but not all). I have a South African daughter-in-law. Almost without exception, when I ask them why they immigrated, I get the same answer. I’ll leave you to guess why….
    
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    November 4, 2021 5:31pm
JibberJabber

https://tinyurl.com/34sw886j

The Islamic Terrorist Act The New Zealand Media Have Forgotten

Media have given no interviews with any victims.

No follow-up on their injuries.

We do not know the names of the victims.

We never knew the race of the victims.

No gushing Paddy Gower specials.
Obviously, this Terrorist act does not fit the Government and media narrative so orders have been given to bury it.
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November 4, 2021 8:07am
- Bridgenag
  
  Not much effort to establish how he got the guns, how the secret service failed, why the police didn’t follow up complaints either.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:20am
- Scott
  
  That’s the problem – the terrorist act by a Muslim man doesn’t fit the preferred narrative of the left-wing Labour government and the left-wing media. Their preferred narrative is that Muslims are victims and oppressed and we need to do everything we can in little Aotearoa to be as kind to them and support them as much as possible.
  
  Unfortunately given overseas experience, an increase in Muslim refugees is likely to lead to more of these incidents. That’s why I have always favoured limiting Muslim immigration. They often don’t like it here, they often don’t fit in here, they often become radicalised or their children do.
  
  The fact of the matter is that Islam is fundamentally incompatible with Western civilisation.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:20am
  - RockyJ
    
    Unfortunately being incompatible with western civilisation is not a problem to progressives. In fact it is a recommendation. Western civilisation is the problem to these looneys
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:36am
  - Diogenes
    
    We have to be very careful about how we discuss Islamic terrorism. I am a committed Christian, and feel strongly about the horror of Islamic terrorism. Until a few years ago, I had never known a Muslim person, and quite frankly felt uncomfortable about their presence here. But for the last five years I have been on the staff of a community trust which does a great deal of work among migrant peoples. As part of that, I teach English to migrants. Some of my students are Muslims, as are many others that my work in the community puts me in touch with. In the process, I have become friends with some, and have got to know much better why they are here, and their values.
    
    The gulf between these people and Islamic extremists is vast. They want the same things for themselves and their families that you and I do. And they have foibles, fancies, likes and dislikes just like you and me. Yes, I have issues with describing Islam as a religion of peace, because there is much in the Koran which contradicts that. But I also find a lot of difficulty with some of the more blood-thirsty elements of the Old Testament, and would decry anyone who used those as their blueprint for living. Thankfully, I have a better model to follow in the person and words of Jesus, but am equally horrified when people use him as an excuse for violence and bigotry.
    
    We may be very surprised one day to find out who we are lined up alongside when we are called before the one righteous judge. In the meantime, please be careful about applying a label to someone who might very well reject that.
    
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    November 4, 2021 5:52pm
- Ehlana
  
  I recall a woman interviewed at the time who said he passed her by, he was targeting white people.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:37am
Frank the tank

Virginia and the success of the GOP is a lesson for centre right parties in New Zimbabwe:

1). Run a likeable candidate.
2). Focus on the bread-and-butter issues.
3). Have a team effort with good discipline.

Following 2020 many on here most notably, Batty wrote a joyous obituary for the GOP. Based off the results last night the mid terms are going to be a bloodbath.

It can be done.
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November 4, 2021 8:07am
- Nickc2
  
  Can someone invent an NZ version of this?
  
  Bring back Donald….Bring back Donald….Let’s Go Brandon….Let’s Go Brandon….!
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:39am
  - Frank the tank
    
    You’ve just got to find something that rhymes with Fuck you Cindy that is witty and drives the fangirls & bois mad
    
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    November 4, 2021 8:57am
    - dcrane
      
      Let’s go Brenda!
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:14am
      - Frank the tank
        
        I like it!
        
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        November 4, 2021 9:33am
      - Flossie
        
        Okay – I give in. Maybe I’m the only poster on here that doesn’t get “Let’s go Brenda”.
        Will somebody explain it to me please.
        
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        November 4, 2021 10:22am
      - dcrane
        
        @Flossie it’s a version of “Let’s Go Brandon” but for Jacinda.
        
        Let’s Go Brandon is a meme running around everywhere that stands for “Eff Joe Biden”, there is a funny story behind its orgins.
        
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        November 4, 2021 11:06am
    - alloytoo
      
      Why not just use “Turn Ardern”
      
      Northland “Turned Ardern” (or Returned, whatever works)
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:33am
      - Frank the tank
        
        It’s got to be chant able when the princess is in attendance
        
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        November 4, 2021 11:00am
      - Nickc2
        
        I like it.
        
        TURN ARDERN – BRING BACK BILL
        
        It is Bill, as in Bill English. I can just see this slogan as a nationwide Bumper Sticker.
        
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        November 4, 2021 11:16am
      - alloytoo
        
        “Turn, Turn, Turn Ardern!”
        
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        November 4, 2021 12:51pm
      - Nickc2
        
        alloytoo @ 12:51PM
        Nice and simple, definitely has merit.
        Imagine that towed behind an Aircraft when she visits Akld and tries to address a crowd.
        Oh, I forgot, no crowds allowed, only coppers.
        Never mind, let’s do this!
        
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        November 4, 2021 1:53pm
      - pdm
        
        Nickc2 said
        `Oh, I forgot, no crowds allowed, only coppers.’
        
        And Mongrel Mob members.
        
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        November 4, 2021 3:57pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    Let’s go Cindy, get gone Cindy, no more tyranny, we want democracy
    
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    November 4, 2021 12:34pm
- Kiwiladdy
  
  Essentially, stop listening to twitter.
  
  There’s a whole world of people who aren’t interested in the social lunacy of the left. Go and embrace normalcy and when the Twitter-nazis get going ignore them.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:19am
- thirteenstars
  
  1,2 and 3? That leaves National out.
  
  Batter up!
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:01am
- Littletramp
  
  Frank, the lesson was learnt in the interview with one of the winning campaign heads who had one point to get across. She said they had overwhelming voluntary support from a large group of lawyers, who scrutinised every voting protocol 24/7 from the minute voting started in mid September.
  Join the dots & guess why the Democrat lost.
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:14am
Billy

So the GOP did take Virginia, not just the Governorship, but Lt. Governorship and Attorney General as well.

Also, it looks like the GOP will take New Jersey too, which was an even bigger suprise.

Could be a sign that the GOP will take 2022 mid-terms . But, we’ll see.
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November 4, 2021 8:09am
- All_on_Red
  
  Batman will tell us its a win for ‘white supremacy’ by that bunch of racists in the GOP- lol
  (yes, I know who the Lt Gov and AG are)
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:53am
  - Frank the tank
    
    The Twitter comebacks on this topic have been hilarious.
    
    The meltdowns of Nicole Wallace, Joy Reid, Jermaine Hill, Van Jones and Rebecca Maddow were pure gold last night.
    
    The wife wondering what I was listening to and laughing about last night.
    
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    November 4, 2021 8:59am
  - dcrane
    
    Can’t wait to hear Batman’s take on Winsome Sears!
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:14am
    - alloytoo
      
      She appears to stand for Truth Justice and the American way. (even if Superman doesn’t anymore)
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:34am
- Frank the tank
  
  The old coot named Brandon just did a ‘Cindy’ and walked out on a media stand up because he didn’t like the tone of the questions.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:27am
  - alloytoo
    
    To be fair he probably didn’t understand them, but then neither does Cindy.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:35am
- backster
  
  In Virginia 100 volunteer lawyers oversaw the voting processes and 27,000 women volunteers helped with the campaign.
  
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  November 4, 2021 11:50am
krazykiwi

Never before have New Zealanders more needed a stark, alternative political narrative than today. So where is it? Where are the commitments to fully roll back the societal toxin injected into New Zealand by Arden and her acolytes?
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November 4, 2021 8:10am
- krazykiwi
  
  With apologies to Ardens everywhere, that should have read ‘Ardern and her acolytes?’
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:19am
- dcrane
  
  The last time I saw Collins all she was doing was asking for “greater certainty”. So Judith is fine with whatever fascist dictates Cindy comes up with so long as the timeframe is firm?
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:13am
  - krazykiwi
    
    As Reid says, National are not the solution. They, and their tribal supporters are part of the problem. As a one-time tribal National voter it gives me no pleasure to admit this.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:36am
    - mawm
      
      But neither is the Seymour party. Nats and ACT just offer doing it better and quicker but no real changes. The Covid panicdemic has just shown us that all politicians are essentially the same.
      
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      November 4, 2021 10:13am
      - dcrane
        
        Indeed, Seymour the other day seemed to jump on the vax-all-kids bandwagon too.
        
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        November 4, 2021 11:08am
- thirteenstars
  
  I don’t think you get it, KK.
  
  National–and to a certain extent, ACT–a scared stupid of being labelled too radical. Of being tarred with the “right-wing” brush. Of being compared to (gasp!) Trump.
  
  The likes of Trump (and he’s not the only example globally) had the audacity to confront, head on, that cabal that increasingly runs our world. That’s the fundamental thing that got them so pissed off. That’s where the hatred comes from.
  
  So you won’t get that “stark” alternative narrative in NZ. Not with National so captured by the local agents of that cabal and so filled with TDS sufferers.
  
  Besides, compliance is a national virtue, and a national myth. Team of Five Million and all that bullshit, and we’ve been doing it for decades.
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:09am
Benedict Yu

“Today, we have reached a turning point in our battle against Covid-19.”

Vaccinating younger children will “allow parents to end months of anxious worrying about their kids, and reduce the extent to which children spread the virus to others. It is a major step forward for our nation in our fight to defeat the virus,” the president continued.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/coronavirus-us-authorised-to-provide-pfizer-covid-vaccine-to-children-aged-5-11-2597706

The President thinks that vaccinating 5 year olds is a “turning point”.

It will come here in early 2022.

From what I have read, USA parents are polarised. Some are so anxious they are rushing to have their kids vaccinated. Others are just refusing. And a third group is paralysed with information overload.

I would not rule out the government here refusing to let unvaccinated kids attend school.
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November 4, 2021 8:10am
- ClanMcleod
  
  We’re already in the process of getting our 11 year old out of the system. If there is a sudden change in this madness we will reconsider, but our local school is losing 2 teachers (half) and one of the 2 teacher aides due to the mandate. Excellent and beautiful, caring educators. Gone.
  Let’s go Jacinda…….
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:23am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Madness. The hand wringing karenocracy are all about the precautionary principle when it comes to environmentalism. But not when it comes to kids. Aside from a few at-risk-kids with medical issues covid is not a danger to them, and natural immunity the gain from getting a typically mild illness is far superior to the vaccine.
  
  The vaccine has serious risk of injury, and even death (eg 1 in 16000 young men who get serious heart damage, myocarditis drastically shortens life expectancy) and as yet unknown long term medical risks which won’t be known for years.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:42am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Those 1 in 16,000 are almost certainly being injured by the vaccine being injected into a blood vessel due to poor practice by the person giving the vaccine. It is scandalous.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:02am
    - Inandout
      
      BY, such a lot of truth there. I asked my jab nurse (no males do this apparently) to please make sure she injects into muscle, which she was careful to do.
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:18am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        How did she know?
        
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        November 4, 2021 10:51am
    - septic skeptic
      
      A doctor debunked that myth on live radio. Something like “we no longer aspirate and there is no need because the injection is going into a blood rich area anyway”!!! It made John Campbeĺl’s you tube channel.
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:47am
    - Ed Snack
      
      With respect Benedict, I think that is a bit facile. If it was purely a mechanical issue of the placement of the injection, then there almost certainly would not be such a significant difference for young males compared to first young females, and then older people.
      
      Sure, young males can be lean with underdeveloped muscles, but so can girls of a similar age. So I suspect there is something linked to sex differences in blood circulation to muscles at work, but I’m not sufficiently knowledgeable of adolescent physiology to even make a guess at a likely cause. Young males are something like 5-8 x more likely to suffer serious side effects to females, must be something behind that.
      
      It is also worth noting that the blood clotting and heart issues are not restricted to the mRNA vaccines, so it’s not just the movement of the expression of the S protein from the shoulder muscle to elsewhere that is the issue. The J&J and AZ vaccines use modified Adeno viruses to carry and express the S protein, likely it is specifically the S protein itself that is the issue, as discussed before.
      
      Just to be clear, I can see that injecting into a blood vessel could indeed cause problems and no doubt some issues relate to this. I just think that there must be another underlying cause at work to affect young males so much more.
      
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      November 4, 2021 10:21am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Well we will never know unless there is a proper investigation.
        
        BTW the hypothesis is that young (16 – 25) males with DEVELOPED deltoid muscles are more likely to have more developed blood supplies and so be at risk.
        
        But as I say we will never know because nobody wants to talk about it because of lawsuits.
        
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        November 4, 2021 11:22am
      - septic skeptic
        
        You have seen the enlarged veins that these young guys get after a few months weight training?
        
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        November 4, 2021 12:22pm
    - mawm
      
      I’m not so sure about your premise. The reason injections are given into large muscles is precisely because they are well perfused and simple aspiration is not always enough to detect IV administrations. Probably more important is the quality control of the batches being made. I alluded to this the other day when I commented on the clusters of side effects that various blog sites mention. I found this (below) blog of a simple data analysis of batch numbers and reported vaccine related deaths. I find it incomprehensible that the CDC has not reacted to one batch having 117 deaths and many none! So is this either really bad quality control or is there a more sinister motive?
      https://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=244109
      
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      November 4, 2021 10:25am
- G152
  
  Poor devils in Parliament
  as they struggle to find other levels to limit our freedoms options become rarer and dissent grows.
  Cindy confronted and runs away.
  Cant explain wont explain and Christmas is coming
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:53am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Bloomin’ criminal.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:04am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Benedict I would not rule out the Pm trying it here but the last 48 hours have told us she has lost the mandate of heaven. I am picking come 1 January she will be negotiating with us not dictating to us.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:25am
- cmm
  
  NZ has just bought another 4.something million doses. That’s more than are needed for boosters.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:39am
- Aquataur
  
  I’m looking at the latest fear porn from Jin Russell in the Herald.
  
  She makes 4 arguments or getting 5-11 yr olds vaccinated.
  
  1. “if we had a surge of pediatric cases similar to what’s been seen in some US states where vaccination levels were low - or even in the UK, where schools were reopened with few mitigations in place – then we would expect to see a lot of children infected.”
  SO WHAT – look at the Public Health England stats and even if children get infected, the chance of hospitalisation and death is miniscule.
  
  2.”The second reason is that any hospitalisations and rare side-effects would almost certainly be inequitable. It would be very likely that Māori and Pacific children and children from low-socioeconomic households would be most impacted, as we see with other respiratory illnesses.
  
  Covid-19 would become yet another illness that these children have to contend with, which would only increase inequity.” NO SHIT SHERLOCK. Well how about vaccinating those kids, not the kids who have miniscule risk. You want me to vaccinate my kids so your kids don’t get sick, when all you have to do is get your kids vaccinated !
  
  3. The third, and probably most important, reason is that, while children themselves tend to experience a mild or asymptomatic illness from Covid-19, they can still transmit it, particularly to their own household bubbles.
  
  An infected child may bring home the virus and transmit it to family members who are unvaccinated, or still vulnerable despite being vaccinated. This would particularly pose a risk to Māori families, given Māori vaccination levels are only now catching up.
  YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS SHIT UP. You want my kids vaccinated so that those who have chosen not to be vaccinated aren’t at risk!!
  
  Logic is clearly not a requirement of being a medical researcher at the University of Gulag Auckland! No wonder it contionues to slide down world rankings!
  
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  November 4, 2021 4:43pm
Bridgenag

I woke at worrying time [3.30am] and listened to a repeat of what I used to love pre bought media , Media watch with Colin Peacock. There was a fellow who, we are told twice, has a PHD, his thesis being a study of disadvantaged Maori and Pacifica in the media. Then we were told 1.2m was to be given to [?] to correct this perceived loss to create a BI PARTISAN system. Then Colin went on to gloss over government mistakes and have a go at Hoskins [ the clip was moderate IMO] Radio National now not worth listening to. Even Concert radio had the Gisborne Girls choir singing in between two fabulous classical pieces.
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November 4, 2021 8:13am
- dcrane
  
  It’s so sad because we need a REAL Mediawatch show now more than ever.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:10am
  - Bridgenag
    
    There has been a coup and it gives us this hopeless feeling to imagine all the things in the pipeline while everyone is focussed on the Covid stuff. I now Google News …. sigh Frightening We can’t wait until the next election.
    
    Ao TEAR roa
    
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    November 4, 2021 11:51am
- Inandout
  
  Bridge, you do realise around 3am was known as the ‘dead of night’ for a reason? Witching is also most active around then.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:28am
westernScientest

A slightly more fun question: Looking for suggestions.

If you were a person in your 30s with a partner nearly ready to start a family, are highly qualified (phd in science, with experience) and could probably get work in most primary production fields (Ag/hort/forestry) what countries would you be looking at moving to.

Only catch is, NZ passport only.
PS im not really ready to give up on here, but at some point it is prudent to start trying to peak through some doors.
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November 4, 2021 8:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Definitely Australia (and why aren’t you there already?).
  Tonnes of opportunity in public or private …
  Tonnes of variety… country is so big and varied.
  
  If you have an interest in Northern hemisphere, then Norway or Sweden… decent salaries and English is used widely in business.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:48am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Aus is temporarily politically nuts too.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:06am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Queensland would be the state of choice. My son who is a high quality builder is considering moving there in 4 years time when both his daughters are through university & off his hands. He has retired 90% of his debt, and has his $1.5 mil. house and classic Mustang GT ($150k.) The house prices over there are about 30% less than here – he is considering Sunshine coast north of Brisbane or similar.
      I told him to get enough land to put a small cottage on the back for me & spouse. 🙂
      
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      November 4, 2021 11:11am
  - Taieri
    
    Definitely Australia
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    Just had a very lucrative offer from WA, which I can’t take up because of the travel restrictions. Too old to move there permanently.
    
    (and why aren’t you there already?).
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    Still hoping (against all hope) that things will get back to normal in NZ.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:10am
  - westernScientest
    
    Thanks, hadn’t really considered Sweden and Norway, didnt realise they spoke English much. Will definitely have a look. Talking to some Danes from their agro-ecology department next week for a different reason which will be interesting.
    
    Aus is the obvious one, but are they really any better, or is it just a grass is greener thing? The same question for Canada really.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:45am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Australia is damn fascinating if you are into the natural sciences and the Great outdoors.
      I don’t think you could see most of its ecosystems in one lifetime.
      
      There’s a real salary difference between NZ and Australia…and if you are prepared to live away from Central Sydney/Melbourne, then property prices are much cheaper than in NZ.
      
      For Horticulture in Queensland, there seems to be a desperate need for reliable technical staff and managers.
      
      My unqualified brother was managing 2 large Mango orchards… no horticultural experience, but just practical with equipment, managing staff, and recognising if a tree was looking stressed/showing disease.
      
      You should check job vacancy adverts.
      
      Norway has an advanced, technical form of forestry that is streets ahead of our exploitative plant, harvest, export way of managing a valuable resource.
      Although Norway is quite an expensive place to live, it’s cheap to travel to other places in Europe…and if you are into winter sports/outdoors/ boating , it’s a lovely place.
      
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      November 4, 2021 11:06am
      - westernScientest
        
        thanks Maggy, maybe I should have a bit of a more serious look into these places.
        
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        November 4, 2021 6:57pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Australia. Canada. USA (most red states are sane and safe). Southern Germany (aging population, have to import talent to staff all their high tech, and everyone speaks english)
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:49am
  - Flossie
    
    Even Angele Merkel?
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:02am
  - westernScientest
    
    US definitely has some appeal, the central states anyway, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, maybe Idaho etc. I do wonder what kind of internal turmoil the states is going to end up in in the coming years, but the central states will probably be somewhat left to their own devices.
    
    Southern Germany is interesting, maybe I am over estimating how important speaking a local language is.
    
    Another question, which would go for all EU currencies, if I am married to someone with a EU country passport, but she got it though her grand parents being citizens, would that give us any access to the EU countries as far as employment goes?
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:53am
    - Bluegrass
      
      I knocked around the planet for over 40 years in oil and gas and have been posted to many countries in my work as a resident [all paperwork done by my company/companies]: including Germany – the latter partly because I speak German.
      
      I mention this because in my experience you would have little chance of working for a German company unless you spoke German – except if it is an international company like Siemens. And even then, unless you were posted abroad, a recruiter would prefer a bilingual, because, contrary to what a poster here said, everyone does not speak English.
      
      But you would pick up the language after a year or so.
      
      Sweden and Norway, where many folk do speak English, can, however, be quite a closed system
      [you can check the net comments on what I mean by this]. And I say this even though I speak fairly fluent Swedish.
      
      Some international companies have English as their official language – such as a Japanese engineering company I worked in, in Japan, with our US project management team – but these are relatively rare.
      
      In the States [where I live – South Dakota] your US company would set you up with a work visa before entry, and then you can eventually qualify for a Green Card/permanent residency > citizenship.
      
      Ditto Canada.
      
      Moving abroad can be an expensive and tricky exercise, and if serious you would need to spend a lot of time on it, and speak to folk who have been there and done that/check expat sites on the net.
      
      Good luck.
      
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      November 4, 2021 4:44pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      She would. You would probably get the equivalent of PR, but it may well vary by country.
      
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      November 4, 2021 8:08pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    I would discount Canada at this time – its crazy marxist & getting worse.
    
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    November 4, 2021 11:13am
- Inandout
  
  wS, just keep in mind shipping costs are now horrendous and if you are relocating then offload all but the most essential items before you go.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:30am
  - cmm
    
    … or store them and ship em later.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:42am
  - westernScientest
    
    Yeah, I dont think we would ship that much really. A big part of the reason for not wanting to leave is that both of our parents are nearby and we have quite close family relationships with both sets, but if we did leave, could store most things we might want to keep. Although the old boy has said if Labour win again, he is selling up leaving.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:59am
    - Flossie
      
      Having fairly recently returned from several years of living in Australia I’m not sure I’d recommend that it’s all that great an option for Kiwis. Nice weather though, good, but not as great as some would have you believe wages, and used to be just a hop and skip to return here to see family – how times have changed! I had no hope whatsoever of becoming an Australian citizen (African refugees had options there I didn’t) and there are not all the freedoms you might imagine as a foreigner. Jobs in government including state and local body are pretty much not for us, as is joining the forces. And of course you can’t vote – a real biggie for me.
      The final straw was seeing what hoops my partner’s mother had to go through to get aged care, and the cost of it, really scared me. Lots of help for Australian citizens that isn’t for us.
      PS buying property incurs stamp duty.
      
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      November 4, 2021 11:21am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Be ruthless in pruning possessions, especially anything bulky. Even if storage is free, it imposes upon family etc; things change. If your in-laws have to go into residential care, what happens to your stuff?
      
      The reality is, if you come back after five years, you’ll bring better stuff back & wonder why you wanted to keep all that crap.
      
      Autobiographical, of course.
      
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      November 4, 2021 8:15pm
- Bluegrass
  
  As a Kiwi, apart from from Australia, you would need to work for a foreign/multinational company in order to get a work permit in that country, with a view to permanent residency.
  
  I don’t know how internationally transferable your qualifications and experience are, but you could look for jobs on expat websites – preferably UK/US websites, due to language.
  
  Then click on your area of work and see the jobs going. Then contact the agent.
  
  And you can also join those websites for nix and register for job offers in your area of work, incoming by email.
  
  At manager/senior levels schooling is usually part of the package.
  
  In your thirties is an ideal age to start to do this – not too young, with experience.
  
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  November 4, 2021 3:55pm
  - westernScientest
    
    Thanks for your help Bluegrass, I might start another thread in todays GD re-current expat experiences in other countries
    
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    November 5, 2021 7:38am
I remember when

New Zealand Covid Facts and Science:
In the last 8 months (260 days) there have been 4,480 confirmed cases of covid in NZ.
There have been 2 deaths and 1 probable recorded as covid.
On the 2nd November there were 582 positive cases isolating at home.
We are now being told that many hospitalisations were for reasons other than covid, but reported as covid hospitalisation.
The authorities continually advise us that almost all current cases are amongst unvaccinated people.
Therefore their recovery or outcome is not because of the benefit of vaccination.
Auckland is in its 12th week of lockdown.
Regardless of your opinion of the dangers of covid, do these figures support any sort of lockdown.

The latest death, maybe from covid, was not considered serious enough to remain hospitalised or be put in ICU.
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November 4, 2021 8:16am
- surfing
  
  The hospitals would be swamped if they ended all lockdowns today.
  
  Although, maybe if the money being spent on lockdown was actually going into increasing hospital capacity? (admittedly you can’t just fix this with money though, but, we’ve had a long time to work on this now).
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:01am
  - kowtow
    
    They’re going to be swamped anyway , and at nearly 90 % injected with the low efficacy “vaccine” the vast majority turning up will be “fully vaccinaded” .
    
    Just a matter of time.
    
    What was all the pain ,panic and punishment for?
    
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    November 4, 2021 10:59am
  - Aquataur
    
    They are unlikely to be swamped now.
    
    Combination of the seasonal nature of the virus (like all flu’s), high rates of recent vaccinations, lots of sunshine (Vit D) and no schools.
    
    But wait until next winter – the dry tinder of the past 2 years of folk not exposed to flu, RSV, etc coupled with waning vax effectiveness – it will be a right shit show.
    
    I’m getting out from May thru October – won’t be a health system worth talking about next winter – not for white males at least
    
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    November 4, 2021 4:49pm
- cmm
  
  Given the amount of manipulation of this data, I would not be surprised if they are janking with the number of unvaxxed “cases”.
  
  For example, maybe something like this:
  * If a patient is symptomatic, then test them. Record result.
  * If they are asymptomatic, but vaccinated, no need to test them.
  * If they are asymptomatic, but unvaccinated, test them.
  
  Now I have absolutely no knowledge about what is going on, but I would not be surprised if they have a distorted sampling method like that.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:47am
- mawm
  
  The majority of studies show that masks and lockdowns don’t work.
  
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  November 4, 2021 12:38pm
Frank the tank

Don’t give Grunter ideas please. Kiwifarm anybody?
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November 4, 2021 8:16am
Benedict Yu

“Salt Lake County calculated COVID-19 vaccination rates by zodiac sign. The news is not good for Scorpios.”
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2021/10/20/salt-lake-county-2/

So there is your problem Jacinda. We need to target the Scorpios. ?

Vaccination rates in Salt Lake County by Zodiac sign.

Leo — 70%

Aquarius — 67%

Aries — 59%

Sagittarius — 59%

Cancer — 58%

Taurus — 56%

Gemini — 55%

Libra — 54%

Pisces — 51%

Capricorn — 51%

Virgo — 50%

Scorpio — 46%

Come on Scorpios.
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November 4, 2021 8:18am
- Yvette
  
  Benedict
  Jacinda is Sagittarius, people who will get success in some big work (but not yet) – so, covid-wise, only mediocre at 59% compared to Leos on 70%
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:56am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    Yvette she is born in July not November, how dare you say she is anything like a Sagittarius she has none of our redeeming qualities one of which is procrastination.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:29am
    - Bluegrass
      
      I’ll get back to you on that…
      
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      November 4, 2021 4:57pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Hi Yvette,
    
    Sadly, Ardern is a Leo.
    
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    November 4, 2021 1:55pm
- mandk
  
  What’s the rate for people, like me, born under the star sign, Curmudgeon?
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:31am
- Inandout
  
  BY, once knew two female Scorpio persons and they were sex obsessed, so maybe that sign has little time for the metal jab. On the other hand I am surprised my lot are at 67% given our independent thoughts.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:38am
  - Don Beckett
    
    “…….two female Scorpio persons and they were sex obsessed.”
    
    Is that the justification for your commenting name I & O. ? 😆
    
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    November 4, 2021 11:18am
lazza

There has never been a moment, from the day when this Government was first elected (to its massive surprise) when I have not viewed (critically assessed) this crowd of incompetent’s, as a group with zero credentials, whose skills, competence, relevant experience even integrity renders them so incapable of governing.

And so it has proved.

Based on this, we are quickly reaching the point of serious civil unrest which only a polled vote of confidence followed by a snap election can address.
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November 4, 2021 8:18am
- KevO'Brien
  
  We need to go beyond civil unrest.
  If those in govt had performed as they do in the private sector they would have been sacked ages ago and some charged with fraud. They have blatantly suckered others into hiring them for a job way beyond their abilities.
  
  Surely a criminal case can be made against such MP’s? They cannot claim to be absolutely protected against responsibility for whatever they may do.
  Incompetent performance has to be outside the realms of service in the Parliament and as an MP in whatever their office. Service so poor is not service at all but elsewhere can be classed as fraud.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:19am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Maybe the MP’s are protected, but Ashley Bloomfield needs prosecuting for his deliberate lies, firstly about Ivermectin – “It’s a horse de-wormer.”
    As a medical man he should know that is a blatant lie and the govt. has gone along with it for it’s own disgusting purposes. Control, Pfizer bribes or blackmails etc.
    
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    November 4, 2021 11:22am
    - mawm
      
      You’ll probably find that Bloomfield, as a government employee, has been told what to say….and that is what Pfizer, the UN and the FDA are promoting.
      Ivermectin is a horse dewormer amongst all its other therapeutic uses.
      
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      November 4, 2021 12:45pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Bloomfield has statutory duties and if he’s getting his output from a PR firm that’s a real bad one.
      
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      November 4, 2021 3:16pm
Frank the tank

Mainfreight has just acknowledged that they can’t ship any additional cartage into the South Island for a couple of days.

Only in New Zimbabwe!!!!
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November 4, 2021 8:18am
ClanMcleod

The “Let’s Go Brandon” meme just hit dizzying new heights. I’m still crying laughing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifs8crL5p4E

I do believe it’s actually standing for much more than an anti Biden thing. Add in the win for Youngkin in Virginia, people have had enough of the liberal ftards telling us everything is wrong and everyone is offended by everything. This blog post nails it.

“….this is the king meme of the era, the zeitgeist shifting message of taking the world back from the sourpuss agents of aggrievement demanding the plaudits and laurels of virtues they do not possess.

we’re done with that and we’re done with them.”

Worth a visit for some intelligent insight and some funny memes!

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/lets-go-brandon-is-the-king-meme?
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November 4, 2021 8:19am
- All_on_Red
  
  Its called a Preference Cascade. As much as the Dems try to downplay ‘Lets go Brandon,’ its the kind of thing which triggers this. That moment when people look around and realise that huge numbers of their neighbours share an opinion which they were told was a fringe opinion. It emboldens them to speak out and then it just casades. Boom!
  Remember; ‘Ridicule is mans most potent weapon’- Saul Alinsky.
  
  We are beginning to see this with Jacinda as people are starting to protest and heckle her. She has never had that before. And I don’t think she responds well to ridicule either.
  Good, lets see that snarly face exposed for all to see.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:48am
  - Bluegrass
    
    Ridicule brought down the Ceausescu’s…
    
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    November 4, 2021 5:02pm
- dcrane
  
  Two lets go brandon still on the iTunes Top 10. LOL.
  
  http://www.popvortex.com/music/charts/
  
  It took a week but finally Adele has taken back #1.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I’ll bang that youtube clip on FB later. The fact checkers love that sort of shit LOL
  Might end up in jail again
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:47am
- thirteenstars
  
  Hellishly addictive, really, with that AC/DC beat.
  
  The double meaning of LGB is pretty wicked.
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:16am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    LGBTQ: lets get biden to quit.
    
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    November 4, 2021 11:10am
Kiwi_in_Paris

So let’s get this straight, in the earlier days Cindy just closed the borders, and of course started to decimate the Kiwi economy by almost totally ceasing international tourism, also began to curb back the farming industry, let crops rot due to not enough migrant pickers for the fruits and so on, but, but, Covid cases were low, apart from a few small outbreaks due to inefficiencies and negligence in the quarantine system.

Then, a large proportion of Kiwis complained that the jibby jab roll-out was too slow. Now that the jibby jab has been given to the majority of Kiwis, Covid cases are skyrocketing.

Not only that, but Auckland is in an even stricter lockdown, and the country is resembling something akin to East Germany, or North Korea, perhaps a mixture of the two.

Not only that, but care home workers received a mandate to have the jab, and now the jibby jabbed care home workers are spreading Covid to the elderly residents, who are probably jibby jabbed.

I mean, just how far can we stretch the, Get That on the Big Jobs expression?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/11/covid-19-two-auckland-high-schools-temporarily-closed-due-to-cases.html
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November 4, 2021 8:24am
I remember when

Isn’t the timing of the Tova O’Brien move to Magic Talk interesting.
After the removal of much of the conservative voice in the recent past, the suggestion is that it is to target ‘Moralising Mike.’
However, it has also occurred at the same time that Jacinda’s popularity seems to be rapidly waning.
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November 4, 2021 8:26am
- graham
  
  Pffft … I’ve heard Mike Hosking referred to as many things, but “Moralising” isn’t one of them. I wonder who decided to start that little bit of not-so-subtle “let’s try to frame Mike Hosking in some sort of bad light”?
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:03am
- kowtow
  
  The other night on the “news” Toxic was doing a bit from parliament and it was to do with the Speaker and the 5 day quarantine rule and members returning , and then she dropped in that it was coup time against Collins .
  
  That had zero to do with the story , how the hell that passes any integrity test at the editors’ desk is beyond me.
  
  I’m no fan of Collins but that sort of “journalism” is utterly reprehensible.
  
  BTW she’ll go down like a cup of cold sick vomit with the listeners at Pete ‘s old beat.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:04am
- Yvette
  
  The unexpected departure of its political editor will leave Newshub scrambling. O’Brien has been its star reporter in recent times and its news ranks now look desperately short of firepower and experience. Paddy Gower and Michael Morrah are the only two heavy-hitters left, although they will get Amanda Gillies back from the AM Show next year.
  
  Prince
  Sources within Newshub which I won’t name tell me this is the result of a huge scandal which I won’t detail.
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/11/general_debate_02_november_2021.html#comment-3055663
  
  So, why is Tova making the move, and is it the result of a huge, as yet unrevealed scandal?
  Asking for a friend
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:08am
- ecco
  
  Toxic is going to have a direct line into Ardern’s office and get all the government daily updates the night before. Ardern will appear personally on Toxic’s show every morning, now that she’s too gutless to front on Hosking’s show.
  
  Let’s have a guess at how much Toxic’s show will get from the media bribe fund.
  
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  November 4, 2021 11:02am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Is Porirua’s Mayor barking?

Porirua Mayor Anita Baker urges residents…”Not to be afraid of Mongrel Mob members ahead of the tangi next weekend”
Tells NZH reporter, “They’re just normal people”
Goes on to say…”We usually leave the traffic lights on green so Mighty Mongrel Members can get thru them quickly. It’s better than having them waiting”

The last time my partner can remember something like that happening in Auckland, was when ‘American President Bill Clinton’ arrived for APEC.

SHEESH!!
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November 4, 2021 8:28am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is rational to be afraid of gangsters.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:35am
  - Taieri
    
    But they are not really “gangsters”. They’re just lonely people getting together for some companionship and support.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:13am
    - kowtow
      
      HDPA has it they’re just misunderstood lads in search of a father figure .
      
      The wilful blindness of our Media Class is astounding.
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:40am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        They are NZ’s mafia. Violent criminal parasites who rule poorer communities and victimise countless kiwis through fear of reprisals. Outlawing all ‘branding’ would be a damned good start to reducing their power, and then employ ‘Rico’ lawfare on them.
        
        Rule of law matters, and allowing organized crime to thrive is sure path to a failing hamstrung economy.
        
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        November 4, 2021 11:16am
    - youcanthandlethetruth
      
      It’s only because most of the Mob are broke. If they were wealthy the left would turn on them in a heartbeat.
      
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      November 4, 2021 1:37pm
      - Nickc2
        
        The Coppers also know that Gang Members never pay their fines anyway and if they are jailed, they just burn the place down.
        
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        November 4, 2021 1:58pm
  - westernScientest
    
    No Benedict, normal people do this all the time:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/126877068/innocent-bystander-beaten-up-by-mongrel-mob-members
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:18am
- Frank the tank
  
  This is the same old duck that plumped for 3 waters! !!
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:03am
- kowtow
  
  Yer but so’s Plod management.
  
  Instead of enforcing the law , they tell the general public to stay away.
  
  The world really has been turned on its head .
  
  And how that’s not a top “news” item is beyond me.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:06am
- pdm
  
  There will only be 100 at the tangi.
  
  Oh wait it is Jacindas friends the Mongies – make that 1,000.
  
  Story of my life I was short of a nought.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:10am
- 7kiwi11
  
  Nothing to be afraid of!?
  
  Google search these three words and see what you come up with.
  
  Mongrel + Mob + bashed
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:00am
ecco

I see the Ferald last night removed all the comments from the article on Hipkins announcing there might be time slots allocated to Aucklanders to get out of Auckland over xmas. There were around 119 comments earlier in the evening all calling BS on Hipkins latest clusterfuck idea. Some comments had 250+ up votes. Now the article is completely off the Ferald front page of the site.

This is further evidence that Ardern and co are in complete control of the Ferald editorial decisions. Nothing $55m can’t buy.
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November 4, 2021 8:30am
- kowtow
  
  That’s why the whole thing is called the Pravda Project.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:08am
Benedict Yu

I watched the video of Jacinda melting down because she was asked by a journalist about vaccine efficacy in Israel. Honestly, given the prominence of Israeli data, she should have been able to give a polite reasoned response.

I have no doubt that Bill English or John Key would have demanded a briefing on the Israeli data and been able to give a reasoned response. I mean it is not hard.

In that video she went into panic mode. Just from one perfectly reasonable question.
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November 4, 2021 8:33am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  You’re just a misogynist who’s jealous of Jacinda’s enormous talents and popularity…
  
  So there!
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:53am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What talents? She way beyond her pay grade and shortly will be publicly sacked.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:24am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Talents ? Best PR instincts in a PM since, well since anyone in NZ, though Muldoon had his moments. And in modern politics, PR is more or less THE key skill require in a politician.
      
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      November 4, 2021 10:30am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Her talents amount to being a person with a vagina under 40 who was voted for by same (including those with vestigial dicks)
        
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        November 4, 2021 11:22am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Executive skill is much more important than all hui no doi.
        
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        November 4, 2021 12:13pm
- alloytoo
  
  and the team of $55 million were told to push the anti-vaxxer narrative.
  
  They still can’t seem to find photos of people holding “Anti-Vax” posters.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:45am
- nathie
  
  It was a bad look from Ardern – any other PM (English, Key, Clark, Shipley, Bolger etc) would have attempted to answer the question and then try and move on.
  
  Instead Ardern invoked the sort of response Robert Muldoon would have used (and we know how much the liberal media disliked Muldoon, whom they deemed a “tyrant” … what company for Ardern to be in!) … so is Ardern really such a good communicator if all she can do is start blaming some social media journalist for being the reason to shut down “your” (NZ MSM) interview?
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:56am
- Bluegrass
  
  “That’s a good question.
  
  Now let me ask you one”.
  
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  November 4, 2021 5:21pm
Truman lodge

Changes in the brain happen as politicians rise the ranks.

They did a study on a tribe of monkey’s and as a select few ascended to the top they became physcotic serial killers.

We are in very interesting times. The story of the wizard of oz is more applicable now than ever.
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November 4, 2021 8:39am
RockyJ

It’s always interesting to see ourselves as others see us. Last month Vladimir Putin gave a speech in which he made the following comments about the west: “We are surprised by processes taking place in countries that used to see themselves as pioneers of progress. The social and cultural upheavals taking place in the United States and Western Europe are, of course, none of our business. We don’t interfere with them.
Someone in the western countries is convinced that the aggressive erasure of whole pages of their own history- the “reverse discrimination” of the majority in favour of minorities, or the demand to abandon the usual understanding of such basic things as mother, father, family or even the difference between sexes- that these are, in their opinion milestones in the movement toward social renewal.”
Putin must be laughing his head off. As Napoleon said “never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”.
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November 4, 2021 8:39am
- Bluegrass
  
  Russia is a Christian country…
  
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  November 4, 2021 5:19pm
Paulus

The BOP Times this morning large headlines that Teachers in the Bay are going to resign as they do not want to be vaccinated – even for the welfare of their children.
As expected in Tauranga lots of left wing middle class comfortable women that it is their principal – to which in principle I do not disagree.
I assume they still get paid as they have to get ready to go to their places in Coromandel and the boat is ready for a long well paid summer there.
Bugger the children they are paid to teach – sic – there lifestyle is more important.
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November 4, 2021 8:41am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Vaccinated teachers could be a risk to children.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:25am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    As we will discover next year.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:45am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Sorry Kev down ticked by mistake.
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:06pm
- Raphael
  
  I know several male teachers in the BOP who are choosing not to get jabbed and looking at loosing their jobs.
  There are also a number of kindies closing down completely as they are refusing to implement the mandate.
  There are also a number of nurses in the DHB refusing, so our medical services will get worse.
  And we have medical centres standing Doctors down for granting legitimate medical exemptions.
  
  This government has created even more mess.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:31am
Flossie

Bloomfield in interview with Ryan Bridge this morning…
Who would have thought 3 months ago Auckland could have got to 90% vaccinated. (Not a verbatim quote)
And who would have thought 3 months ago Auckland would still be locked up? With no release date in sight.
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November 4, 2021 8:44am
- dcrane
  
  And who would have thought a NZ government would be coercing people into vaccination with threats of loss of job and freedom.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:03am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Here is a Swiss restaurateur, arrested and his establishment closed because he refuses to check ‘vaccine passports’. Police had large concrete blocks place in front of the restaurant to stop it being re-opened.
    
    I’m sure Ardern see this sort of tyranny as aspirational.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:20am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      He should put a big yellow star of david on the front door
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:32am
  - Taieri
    
    Freedom? Freedom is now a property of the Government to be granted to the selected only.
    
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    November 4, 2021 10:35am
- kowtow
  
  Who would have thought that politicians the world over would have totally lost their shit over a nasty ‘flu and thrust us into debt greater than at any time in modern history.
  
  Meanwhile they’re now talking about the weather .
  
  You couldn’t make it up.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:11am
  - mawm
    
    I’m sure it’s not over a nasty flu – that is just vehicle. Global warming was not frightening the proles enough so they have had to up the ante to frighten the developed world enough to take away all their freedoms for their own good. You will own nothing and you will be happy.
    
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    November 4, 2021 1:23pm
Southern Raider

Putting aside the 12 hour queues to drive through check points

– they are stating you need a negative test as well as being double jabbed. How is the testing system going to cope with having to do over 100,000 tests per day plus deliver the results and consistently for at least a 7 day period. Also as test would need to have been done within a set period before travel that is going to be mean large scale testing labs working between Xmas and New Years
– what do they expect from 12 to 18 year olds. Most won’t have phones so no online certificate, most won’t have been vaccinated due to the age group. Do parents leave their kids at home this Christmas
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November 4, 2021 8:51am
- Frank the tank
  
  It’s been driven by bureaucrats from Wellington who don’t:
  
  a). think of the logistics
  b). apply common sense
  
  It’s the same argument that somehow dining outside in the open air is more risky than shopping inside in a mall.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:09am
- cmm
  
  C’mon, it is all the negativity that is breaks things.
  
  If people just believed then things would go much better!
  
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  November 4, 2021 4:42pm
Jack5

Do the fabled benefits of reforming the Resource Management Act include the neo-slums springing up in our cities?

Small apartments crowd on to sections once filled by older houses, and without garages or parking. Weren’t the resource reforms about opening farm land on the fringe of cities? Couldn’t that have been done without converting slabs of our cities into Third World type ghettos?
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November 4, 2021 8:51am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes. Except the “no parking” is supposed to convince people not to have cars because cars are evil. Of course they will all have cars and park them on the streets.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:18am
  - graham
    
    Unless you’re in Auckland, where the car-hating Auckland Council is determined that everybody WILL use the bus and cycle everywhere, and so are drawing up a plan to remove parking on many of the city’s roads to make way for more bus lanes and cycleways.
    
    Auckland Transport will able to remove parking without any consultation with residents or Local Boards.
    
    And they won’t have to provide alternative parking elsewhere.
    
    And they will look to increase their “parking team” by 25 per cent to 50 per cent.
    
    These people are so power-hungry and so idealistic that they appear to have utter contempt for the people they’re meant to be serving, and how we actually live (as opposed to how they think we should live).
    
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    November 4, 2021 10:19am
- Bridgenag
  
  Very sad when the Nationals agreed with it
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:28am
Maggy Wassilieff

Until this week, we had never seen Our Dear PM when she wasn’t surrounded by a stage-managed adoring public.

It will be interesting to see how far she retreats from the public gaze over the next few weeks.
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November 4, 2021 8:55am
- Jack5
  
  The wedding will divert the mob, Maggy.
  
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  November 4, 2021 8:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She’s 40 years old, fgs!
    
    I thought I was Spinster of the Parish getting married at 25.
    
    How many of us have had wedding/family plans mucked around by this Government in the last 2 years?
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:35am
    - cmm
      
      I saw a headline in Herald or Stuff yesterday going on about the menu for Cindy’s wedding (I didn’t read it).
      
      It strikes me as a bit tin-earred.
      
      Many people have had their weddings down-scaled from “the most special day of your life” and here we have an article on how awesome Cindy’s wedding is going to be.
      
      I can’t speak for what most 20/30-something women think, but I would expect this can’t be a good way to attract her major voter base.
      
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      November 4, 2021 9:58am
    - Hollyfield
      
      I did hear that Suzanne Paul said, after having to cancel her wedding due to lockdown dragging on, that she would next schedule it for the same weekend as Jacinda so she wouldn’t need to worry about a lockdown for that weekend.
      
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      November 4, 2021 10:07am
  - alloytoo
    
    One wonders where it will be held, no one is Auckland wants a bar of it.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:49am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’m pretty sure it will be held in a landscape-award winning location, 25km out of Gisborne city.
      
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      November 4, 2021 1:24pm
      - cmm
        
        … just to show she’s got the common touch.
        
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        November 4, 2021 3:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Nothing common with the location’s owner.
        https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-billionaire-john-griffins-jet-flew-to-new-zealand-just-as-coronavirus-hit-the-us-2020-4?r=AU&IR=T
        
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        November 4, 2021 6:33pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Or provide the target for a massive protest. I’m betting the wedding is off for now.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:59am
    - JibberJabber
      
      I’m sure the M Mob will provide security for a fee..
      And once again the long-suffering taxpayer will take one up the chufta for Arderns narcissism.
      
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      November 4, 2021 10:25am
    - kevn
      
      @Rich… Wedding venues down the coast have been giving her the flick, no thanks they say.
      
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      November 4, 2021 11:00am
- dcrane
  
  I’m beginning to worry what she might do. The smart kidz really hate being made to look bad by deplorables.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:02am
  - alloytoo
    
    Narcistic personality disorder can only be covered up for so long.
    
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    November 4, 2021 9:50am
- ecco
  
  When is she high tailing it off to Europe and for how long? Does anyone know?
  
  Agreed these regional walkabouts have blown up in her face haven’t they ?. Great for some entertainment throughout the day.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:11am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  She needs to get all the kindies open so she can start touring them again with her tame journos (and avoid any grown-up questions).
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:34am
Maggie Pie

Well blow me down and call me a didgeridoo……

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1455984970934202377
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November 4, 2021 9:03am
- marcw
  
  Apparently some ‘bush’ justice dealt out in the holding cells. Not the best work by the rozzers to allow this, especially after they are on a roll with their success.
  
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  November 4, 2021 12:25pm
  - surfing
    
    Yep, not a fan of prison justice. . . it appears the authorities planned for this guy to get a beating. Should have been held in isolation from the beginning.
    
    Funny huh? I believe in the death penalty but not in prison justice.
    
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    November 4, 2021 1:14pm
    - Nickc2
      
      “he tripped up your honour and I had to hold him up with my fist.”
      
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      November 4, 2021 2:05pm
    - MCos
      
      It’s a funny thing, the death penalty.
      Tarrant could be possibly be the only person in our system eligible & he might well have been gone by now.
      As it is that would be the easy way out because the alternative, which is never to be released, is a basically a death sentence dragged out over the rest of his natural life.
      BTW
      If someone is currently sentenced to a finite period of imprisonment, even if it depends on the decision of the parole board, which is everyone else, how can is that sentence compatible to the ultimate penalty?
      
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      November 4, 2021 3:28pm
ABS4EVA

https://www.novavax.com/

The Company New Zealand needs a strong
relationship with (NOT THE CCP)

The Vaccine now approved in INDONESIA

That should already be available
IN NEW ZEALAND if only for trials at least

This Entire response to these PANDEMICS is
like everything else
Jacinda Adern’s Labour Party does

A COMPLETE AND UTTER

DISGRACE

A FARCE

A SICK sadly

ON GOING JOKE.
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November 4, 2021 9:10am
Yvette

• Auckland’s border to remain over summer, may only open to the double vaccinated
• ‘Grinch’ PM under pressure on summer travel, Covid case dies at home
• Live – Police union concerned about Auckland border ‘disaster’ as Bloomfield says Govt hasn’t asked for advice on managing Xmas crossings

Will downloaded “Vaccination Papers” be enough for these situations, or attending someone else’s BBQ and using their toilet instead of the back of the garden, or will some emblem be needed to be worn – perhaps, for the unvaccinated: a yellow Star of David, with a few more spikes to look like a covid virus?

(Bugger taking these memory destroying statins – I can’t recall if I suggested this star before, or some one else did, or if I mentioned the fucking statins before. At least this comment is shorter)
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November 4, 2021 9:16am
Jack5

I must have missed this in Ardern’s media …

GM is recalling 141,000 Bolt electric cars sold since 2017 because of fires when they are being recharged overnight.
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November 4, 2021 9:21am
- krazykiwi
  
  My rare earth investments will like this.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:43am
Frank the tank

LOL…….just LOL

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/03/watch-gov-ron-desantis-knocks-brandon-administration-crowd-erupts-chants-lets-go-brandon/
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November 4, 2021 9:25am
- Frank the tank
  
  Ronny is on fire this morning!
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/03/desantis-recession-when-your-neighbor-loses-his-job-recovery-when-fauci-loses-his/
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:31am
- alloytoo
  
  Perhaps all the Republicans need for 2024 is a half decent candidate called Brandon.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:52am
  - oldfella
    
    alloytoo: and a half decent Brandon theme song. This new one is pretty good… 😉
    https://www.tiktok.com/@matthewconvard/video/7026131653407886639?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
    
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    November 4, 2021 11:55am
dime

Ive had a few people say to me…

“when her numbers go down too much, she will have that wedding”.

A valid theory, if the numbers havent gone down too much.

The way chomp is going, her wedding may result in

“FFS!! youre meant to be running the country not off doing a womens weekly wedding! you stupid….”

for a communications guru, shes actually a bit shit most of the time. take out the head scarf hugs… not amazing at all.

its easy to Emcee a wedding – everyone is there to be happy and laugh and make it a good wedding. thats what its like being a female labour PM in NZ. the media adore you. if chomp was governing in an environment with a media out to get her, hell just impartial, it would be a blood bath.

does she talking to mike hosking anymore? or is he just a big meanie?
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November 4, 2021 9:26am
- Hollyfield
  
  To be fair, Mike Hosking’s interviews are like shooting fish in a barrel. Yesterday morning Nashie tried to defend the indefensible, and the more questions Mike asked, the more Nashie got tied up into knots. Really, it was just cruel.
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:10am
- ecco
  
  Agreed dime. At least the international media, especially in the UK are out to get her since she wouldn’t uphold her part in the 5 eyes agreement. They see her and Mahuta as cuddling up to Xi. Which is the truth.
  
  Could someone send some more material along to Daily Mail and the Telegraph UK?.
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:17am
Lee C

The other day I saw an EU representative tear a strip of his colleagues and show a copy of the Pfizer contract he’d demanded with whole pages redacted.

It is on record that pharmaceutical industries have been ‘lobbying’ governments since 2016.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/25/pharmaceutical-industry-donates-
-to-both-australian-political-parties

Meanwhile, articles such as this indicate that Pfizer contracts lock Goverenments in to continuing with the ‘programme’ regardless of sovereign law:
https://www.europereloaded.com/the-leaked-pfizer-contracts-is-an-eye-opener/

and we have this kind of thing.
https://freewestmedia.com/2021/08/08/bomshell-leak-countries-that-buy-pfizers-vaccine-undertake-to-break-the-law/?fbclid=IwAR0KravZEXlCQo71U1o1lFAAZxzIahmAQaphZ9b_fQwXeTeRSLhYjK7OAqQ

At the same time, apparently rational people are smirking and saying ‘Well, if they won’t have the vax, it’s their own fault if they lose their jobs.’ and demonising people who have the temerity to research issues for themselves.

Speaking as a possibly soon-to-be ex-volunteer firefighter, I find myself in the strange position of having to be vilified as ‘selfish’. Yes, I will drag my carcass out of bed, fight fires, attend traffic accidents, deal with mortalities and injuries, but, now, it appears that the biggest risk we face is that I might not be vaccinated.

Have you lost your collective minds?

And Doctors are being struck off, Nurses leaving their jobs, and teachers finding themselves redundant.

And what’s next?

Well, Pfizer, with the acquiescence of your elected representatives and mindless sheep-cowering f**ts (you know who you are) are coming for the five-to-eleven-year olds next.

Hang you head in shame New Zealand.
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November 4, 2021 9:33am
- Ehlana
  
  Thank you for your work as a volunteer firefighter Lee. I think firefighters must see and deal with some very hard things in their jobs. I’m sorry you’re not going to be able to continue with it.
  
  I think you’re right, we have somewhat lost our collective minds. I think the risk has been exaggerated and generated excess fear.
  
  It may come back to bite them – they must know they need to re-open the country, but they’ve frightened people so much, they’re not going to find it easy to get them onboard for re-opening.
  
  The price we will pay for their ineptitude has yet to be reckoned.
  
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  November 4, 2021 11:46am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The more I look at the sequence of actions from seemingly independent, sovereign states the harder I find it to conclude that there’s zero co-ordination at some high level, for example: –
    
    – The appointment of scientists to advise (and they all align around the official, alarmist dogma)
    
    – The ostracisation/vilification of credentialed professionals who criticise the dogma
    
    – The control of the media
    
    – The pursuit of bio passports for daily life
    
    So I’m not so sure about the ‘bite’. The curated ‘pandemic’ is well over in Europe, for example, but the authoritarian controls are metastasizing.
    
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    November 4, 2021 12:11pm
    - mawm
      
      It’s. hard to believe that this is anything other than a manufactured crisis to frighten the good citizens of Western Democracies into relinquishing their freedoms and handing control over to a One World Government. To me this became apparent when one country after another binned their existing pandemic plans (we also had one) and in lockstep followed a management path that was going to make the pandemic worse and to last longer.
      
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      November 4, 2021 1:39pm
    - cmm
      
      Rinse and repeat for climate change too.
      
      Look, all these big academically connected “scientists” know which side of the bread has got the butter on. They all know how to keep their troughs full, so they all self-police to expel anyone who is not of the right thinking from their ranks.
      
      Some of these handouts are massive – not just from government either, but also from “philanthropists” like Gates etc.
      
      That’s the carrot, then there’s the stick too.
      
      Academics and such live or die according to their reputations. If they go outside the lines they are easy to trash on social media or just airbrush out of existence in media, social media etc. Those within the lines will eagerly pick on dissenters to prove they’re pure.
      
      The people that get together at Davos can do whatever they want and get away with it.
      
      This state has not been reached overnight. It has taken decades to get to this point.
      
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      November 4, 2021 3:30pm
Opie

If that was here it would be blamed on colonisation.

In Australia it is what is, an abduction.

Little girl seems ok, be interesting to see what horrors have occurred (hopefully none)
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November 4, 2021 9:38am
ecco

Looking at the comedy of errors continuing to unfold in Labour’s Covid response, Amazon will be thanking their lucky stars that they made the call to pull the pin on their NZ film operations.

Ardern must be doing untold untold damage to NZ as a country to do business in.
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November 4, 2021 9:38am
- kevn
  
  @ecco… Oil and gas exploration companies have packed and gone, ages ago. Never to be seen again. FFS.
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:55am
  - Taieri
    
    There’s a rig coming to NZ later this year. But not for exploration, just for sidetrack drilling of the existing wells at the Maui B. This is the last offshore project that I’m aware of.
    
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    November 4, 2021 11:20am
Rusty

Good article from Mike Hoskin in the herald this morning.
Hes calling out Jacinda and the govt’s bluff that they will end the lock downs in Auckland and elsewhere before Christmas regardless of the double vaccine rates or cases.

Expect a about turn from Jacinda soon and the spin that 90% was too ambitious.

And we all know why this will happen — public opinion is turning on Jacinda and if she was to lock up 1.5 million Aucklanders over Xmas the public protests are going to turn ugly.

One last thing which Mike Hoskins mentioned — are the govt still taking notice of Shaun Hendys modelling on covid/delta death rates?

He predicted 7000 Aucklanders dying through this latest outbreak if everyone didn’t get the jab.

Time to ditch him and the media to give him no more coverage on his absurd claims.

Just imagine him giving computer modelling on the All Black games against the USA and Wales — he would have had those teams winning.
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November 4, 2021 9:40am
- alloytoo
  
  I see Hosking is now behind the paywall.
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:01am
- westernScientest
  
  na they will just massage the numbers behind closed doors and claim they got to 90%
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:05am
  - Prince
    
    Question. Why is the population used to calculate the % (ie the denominator) not growing as 11 year olds turn 12 ?
    So far it has only been adjusted downwards, on the pretext that the DoH only count those who are registered at a DHB. There are around 130,000 over 12’s who are not registered, so not counted in the population. And who knows how many who turned 12 in the last 10 months.
    
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    November 4, 2021 11:40am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  There are two ways to model. One is to assume you don’t know the unknown variables and derive them by fitting the model to the data. The other is to assume you know the unknown variables and ignore the data. Hendy appears to follow the second approach.
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:35am
- kowtow
  
  If they relent and have not reached 90% , how valid will their claim of “follow the science” be .
  
  Or will it be a case of ‘we have the scientists following us’ , a bit like the climate scam.
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:48am
Flossie

“if you want to go away for Christmas, Get Vaccinated”.
How many times are JC and her cohorts going to parrot that? I’m sick to the back teeth of it. I got double jabbed months ago and I still can’t go anywhere.
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November 4, 2021 9:57am
Maggie Pie

‘THEY WALK AMONG US!’

The NZH reports…..

Following an OIA Request to the ‘Ministry of Justice’, it has been disclosed that in the last decade, thirteen people have appeared in New Zealand Courts on charges of Bestiality.

According to the article, one of the most shocking cases was in 2015, when a 26yo man appeared in the Manukau District Court, charged with performing sex acts with a Bull, a Cat, a Calf, a dead Cow, two dogs and a Goat.

WARNING: DISTURBING CONTENT…
https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1455775664251019270
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November 4, 2021 10:01am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, a feel a technicolour yawn coming on.
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:06am
- westernScientest
  
  I… I dont know what to do with this information Maggie
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:06am
- cmm
  
  A dead cow… so bestiality and necrophilia in one hit! That’s efficiency.
  
  When Old MacDonald had a farm I didn’t quite think he meant this.
  
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  November 4, 2021 3:34pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Me and some of the girls were wondering what chat-up lines he used?
    
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    November 4, 2021 5:03pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Worked on the cow
      
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      November 4, 2021 8:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Just how informed is our DG of Health.

Ashley Bloomfield just stated that the Novovax vaccine has not been approved anywhere..

Dr. Ashley Bloomfield told Newstalk ZB’s Mike Hosking today that there had been talk about Novavax but that is has not yet been approved “anywhere in the world at the moment”.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/454892/live-covid-19-updates-for-4-november-everything-you-need-to-know

It was approved for emergency use in Indonesia a couple of days ago

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/novavax-covid-19-vaccine-receives-emergency-use-authorization-indonesia-2021-11-01/
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November 4, 2021 10:27am
- dcrane
  
  Is Bloomfield aware of this Phase III study?
  
  https://ir.novavax.com/2021-06-14-Novavax-COVID-19-Vaccine-Demonstrates-90-Overall-Efficacy-and-100-Protection-Against-Moderate-and-Severe-Disease-in-PREVENT-19-Phase-3-Trial
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:32am
  - kevn
    
    @dcrane… Same result for the very well tolerated Valneva.
    
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    November 4, 2021 10:54am
- krazykiwi
  
  What we need is a reporter to ask Bloomfield and/or Ardern this simple question:
  
  “Is there any provision in any agreement with Pfizer or its affiliates that limits the right of New Zealand health authorities procure or administer any non-Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine?”
  
  There you go journos.
  
  On a plate for you.
  
  Who has the balls?
  
  Anyone?
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:46am
  - dcrane
    
    Hadn’t even considered that. Good question.
    
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    November 4, 2021 11:10am
  - tf78
    
    Krazy, that’s why we can’t use Ivermectin, it’s disallowed in the Pfizer contract which was only okayed because there was “no alternative treatment available”. We’ve been lied to from the very beginning.
    
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    November 4, 2021 12:35pm
- Fletch
  
  I only heard a bit of today’s show, but Hosking mentioned it had been approved for Indonesia before he actually interviewed Bloomfield. Surprised Hosking didn’t push back on that.
  
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  November 4, 2021 11:42am
- cmm
  
  In some ways he is right. Emergency approval is not really approval.
  
  And nor has Pfizer been approved anywhere in the world either so he doesn’t really have a point.
  
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  November 4, 2021 3:36pm
JibberJabber

If there is one this country has it is certainly a surfeit of desperate narcissists…
https://twitter.com/BeeFaerie/status/1455806081888768000
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November 4, 2021 10:29am
dcrane

Re: booster shots. Anyone else notice this in the Herald?

“Asked if there had been a problem, Bloomfield said it was a matter of following “proper process” around booster shots.
…
Bloomfield said the trials they had done showed the best median time for booster shots was around 11 months, however they would probably issue them from as soon as six months and up to 12 months.”

I thought data from around the world are showing effectiveness of the vaccines (Pfizer anyway) against infection dropping dramatically by 6 months, or even earlier. If it’s cases we care about so much (and why else would you ban the unvaxxed from society) how does boosters at 11 months make any sense?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-death-in-home-isolation-cases-have-daily-contact-with-health-officials/Q5AMDFSHVZXVKFIFZAPLZIOVR4/
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November 4, 2021 10:30am
- Prince
  
  There will be some great lie involved, and they are trying to hide something.
  Stressed Vax clinics, late ordering, no supply confirmed, no money, etc.
  I see yesterday Maiki Sherman was demanding to know how Maori would be prioritised for the booster shots. You’d think they would be administered in the same (non-racist) order as the first shots, but apparently in our new apartheid system Maori should get their boosters first, because they say the magic words, ‘most vulnerable’.
  
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  November 4, 2021 11:28am
  - cmm
    
    No doubt they will also demand that this needs another $200M programme to encourage Maori to get boosters.
    
    And, of course, failing to come to the party with another $200M would just be the crown failing in it’s treaty duties.
    
    I am not joking. I 100% believe this will happen.
    
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    November 4, 2021 3:39pm
    - Nickc2
      
      In any other country, such practices would be called racist rorts and people would be held accountable.
      However, in Lil-olde-NZ, it’ll never happen. The Govt wouldn’t permit it.
      
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      November 4, 2021 4:44pm
- septic skeptic
  
  I would be happy enough to wait 11 months for a booster. Breakthrough infection is not necessarily a bad thing so long as you are protected against serious disease and death. Which holds up well beyond 6 months.
  
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  November 4, 2021 12:34pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Here’s the chart of protection against severe disease from a new Swedish study of 1.4m people over nine months. The protection attenuates markedly.
    
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    November 4, 2021 7:07pm
- tf78
  
  dcrane, does that mean that the vaxed actually aren’t really, really, really vaxed until they’ve had their 50th booster.
  
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  November 4, 2021 12:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How does it take over 1 year to tarseal 12 km of gravel road?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/454906/forgotten-world-highway-project-to-finish-unsealed-part-of-sh43-begins

I just drove through the Tangarakau Gorge on Thursday on my way to Stratford. Work is just starting on the northern entrance.

Waka Kotahi estimates sealing the road will be complete early in 2024.
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November 4, 2021 10:42am
- graham
  
  Well it took about two years for them to do about 8 km of gravel road near me … and it’s already slipping and cracking after a year … and it’s not a terribly busy road.
  
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  November 4, 2021 11:11am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yes, Graham – know what you are saying.
    I’ve been slipping and cracking this year also.
    But have been busy – trampled over by the Covid Queen.
    
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    November 4, 2021 2:30pm
- Biscuit
  
  Maggy, I laugh…
  
  Way, way back in 1967-69, whilst my Mum and Dad were in Kuala Lumpur, I spent a couple of great years at a British Forces-run Boarding School in Singapore.
  
  Orchard Road, in those days, was a double-laned highway with ginormous open monsoon drains on either side and nothing more high-rise than CK Tangs Emporium.
  
  Inside two years, and virtually week by week, I swear, the Singaporeans not only covered over the monsoon drains with a multi-laned roadway but also erected the now-ubiquitous high-rise office/retail/residential towers…
  
  Imagine Megan Woods over there, ha: ‘Right, I have a tower block opening at 9am, the mall opening at 10am, and two residential complexes opening at Noon. I gets me some p-i-e-s! And, tomorrow, the schedule is even BUSIER’
  
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  November 4, 2021 11:27am
  - cas
    
    Ah CK Tang’s. It was a 2 storied high rise if I recall and the car park which turned into a food market over the road was just superb. Their motorway to the airport also doubles as a landing strip for aircraft in emergencies. It is an industrious nation.
    
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    November 4, 2021 4:05pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Three stories, cas, and topped with an ‘artichoke’ roof.
      
      It’s still there – but dwarfed these days by genuine high-rises.
      
      I used to love, on the days we were allowed into town to go in to smell the camphorwood (?) air.
      
      I doubt I ever bought anything there – us boarders were alowed the equivalent of $NZ 4 a week in pocket money, heh, although that was an era where you could virtually traverse the whole of the downtown area for just 10 c…
      
      There was an English-style supermarket next door in those days and I used to stock up on baguettes, cheeses etc for midnight feasts back in my dorm…
      
      On the way back to the school, I’d visit the nearby Kiwi army depot and put on my puppy-dog, the-buggers-are-starving-me look and get to bring back various meats and, of course, old copies of ‘The Evening Post’ for later reading…
      
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      November 4, 2021 6:28pm
  - Nickc2
    
    She wouldn’t be able to tear herself away from Bugis Street.
    
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    November 4, 2021 4:51pm
- rangitoto
  
  Road building and repairs must be the biggest rort in New Zealand.
  
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  November 4, 2021 11:40am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  The answer is: You do an average of 1km per month 😉
  
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  November 4, 2021 3:02pm
- cmm
  
  If you have to carry a whole road’s worth of tar in a canoe it’s going to take a long time…
  
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  November 4, 2021 3:40pm
Libertarians are right

The Kyle Rittenhouse murder trial has started in the US and it’s extraordinary.

On the first day an FBI agent testified with overhead drone IR surveillance video (which no one knew existed and makes you wonder how much evidence they have held back against left wing rioters from last year). The truly crazy part was that he admitted that they had high resolution video as well but that they seem to have lost it.

The prosecutor complained that the defense wanted to use fact based evidence in their opening statement, arguing that because he didn’t use any (because he has none), the defense shouldn’t be allowed to.

He also almost accidentally let out that the first “victim” had just been released from a mental hospital (he claimed hospital) and couldn’t stay with his girlfriend because she had a restraining order against him. The judge stopped the defense from providing these facts but basically told the prosecutor that this info may be allowed later if he keeps bringing it up.

It’s about as clear a case of self defense as you’ll ever see and should never have gone to trial. The judge seems to have no time for the prosecutor’s theatrics (which is all he has) but it is a jury trial and they are already scared of the mob. Rittenhouse was an idiot for being there but that didn’t give them the right to try to murder him.

Also, the best quote I’ve seen so far:

At 17, Rittenhouse shot a convicted serial paedophile, a convicted spousal abuser and an armed Communist – that’s half my bucket list.
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November 4, 2021 10:42am
- dcrane
  
  Posobiec has new video evidence that has also somehow remained hidden until now. Pretty confusing, but from the start this has seemed a lot more like self-defense than murder. My main problem with Rittenhouse is he seemed like he got himself into a situation he wasn’t really ready to handle.
  
  https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1455940341119471619
  
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  November 4, 2021 1:00pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    He got himself into a bad situation but I’d say he handled it pretty well. He tried to escape (and turn himself in etc) and only shot the people that were actively trying (in his opinion) to try and murder him. It could of ended far worse for everyone involved.
    
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    November 4, 2021 3:11pm
Maggie Pie

A girl from tennis asked an interesting question….

“If we’re all getting the vaccine for free, who’s paying for them?”
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November 4, 2021 11:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Anything that is free has been stolen from someone else. Now, explain that to a socialist leftie
  
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  November 4, 2021 11:07am
Truman lodge

Funny how the govt has backtracked on Hipkins booking system to leave Auckland.

Question is why did they float the idea knowing full well its impossible and unworkable. Its obvious it was a mind game designed to either increase vaccination numbers or to demoralise us into further submission. Because the idea was so far out there I can’t think of any other plausable explanation.
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November 4, 2021 11:25am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  But they haven’t backtracked on the idiocy of needing a vax passport to leave or enter Auckland and its ridiculous consequences for holiday traffic.
  
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  November 4, 2021 1:09pm
  - mawm
    
    I can’t see that working out very well – every tenth car with an angry determined person arguing with a policeman while the queues behind grow longer. Bring it on, sow chaos everywhere and get Cindy to backtrack on her apartheid “pass”, let those who want get vaccinated and boosted ad infinitum.
    
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    November 4, 2021 1:54pm
  - MCos
    
    I live Auckland. I’m double vaccinated and fancy a trip beyond the confines of the city boundaries.
    I’d be quite happy for the police to tear down the checkpoints.
    The inhabitants beyond may not be so keen on the barbarian hordes swooping down to spread the pestilence far and wide over the land.
    
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    November 4, 2021 2:17pm
ABS4EVA

I have prepared Manuals for the training of Medical Staff on Important Issues.

I have to say that the Communication on the Vaccine Mandate is SUB Standard.

People have valid medical reasons to delay a VAX
like they do not know what is wrong with them
YET.

If this was a JOB I was working on for a BIG CLIENT I would put the whole thing on hold and in QUARANTINE

Notify my Boss Do you realise this is actually
A GAMBLE

So let’s look at the odds.

The Time Frame does not allow critical analysis
that is essential for GOOD MEDICINE

Then there is consultation

That is what Doctors do CONSULT

To look at options and outcomes
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November 4, 2021 11:27am
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/10/29/ghosted-poland-avoids-paying-eu-fine-by-leaving-email-from-court-unread/

Poland Avoids Fourth Reich Fines For Now.

Poland is avoiding paying exorbitant European Union fines of €1 million (£850,000/$1.2 million) per day by leaving e-mail from the EU court unread, according to reports.

The penalty comes on top of a separate €500,000 euro a day fine for failing to shut down a coal mine as ordered by EU judges, and was issued because the Polish government, led by the national conservative Law and Justice Party (PiS), has scrapped the Disciplinary Chamber of the Polish Supreme Court, which according to the EU violates rule of law principles — although similar bodies operate elsewhere in the bloc, such as France, without issue.
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November 4, 2021 11:28am
- alloytoo
  
  Polexit?
  
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  November 4, 2021 1:40pm
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    alloytoo: That’d be good to see. I understand they could form a bloc of their own with several other countries.
    
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    November 4, 2021 5:10pm
- rockape
  
  Don’t mess with Polish miners, the Soviet Union learnt that.
  
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  November 4, 2021 2:17pm
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    rockape: Maybe the Fourth Reich will go the same way.
    
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    November 4, 2021 5:10pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiwUVa-S2cs

Media Meltdown Over Humiliating Democrat Defeats!

Doom, despair, and agony! That my friends sums up the mainstream media as of today! In this video, we’re going to take a look at that meltdown, we’re going to see how Twitter mocked them for it, and stick with me to the very end of this video when I’ll reveal just how bad it really was for the Democrats last night. [9:56. LGBFJB. All the right people are crying. Well, actually, it’s all the left people. What’s not to like?]
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November 4, 2021 11:28am
Fletch

European Parliament member Christine Margarete Anderson.

“In the entire history of mankind, there has never been a political elite sincerely concerned about the well-being of regular people. What makes any of us think that it is different now?

“If the age of Enlightenment has brought forth anything, then certainly this: Never take anything any government tells you at face value. Always question everything any government does or does not do. Always look for ulterior motives, and always ask Cui Bono? – Who benefits? Whenever a political elite pushes an agenda this hard and resorts to extortion and manipulation to get their way, you can almost always be sure your benefit is definitely not what they had at heart.

https://twitter.com/PatrioticCougar/status/1454260146255929353
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November 4, 2021 11:30am
BeaB

If we needed any more proof our media have been bought and paid for it was surely Arren’s [Ardern’s] refusal to answer the question of a journalist who was not an ‘accredited’ journalist. What exactly is this class of journalist? I understand you have to be ‘accredited’ to the Press Gallery in Parliament but for a general stand-up in the street? Has the Government got the power to ‘accredit’ journalists who are able to ask Ardern a question? What does this ‘accreditation’ look like? Who issues it? How do you qualify for it?
Has anyone been refused it? Do the police remove anyone who is not ‘accredited’? How does the media feel about journalists who have been denied this ‘accreditation’?
So many questions and no-one to ask or answer them.
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November 4, 2021 11:31am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  ‘accredited’ = ‘four-legged and wooly’
  
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  November 4, 2021 1:29pm
Yabster

Have Joe Cindy been comparing notes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnEh2i7xtHU
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November 4, 2021 11:39am
I remember when

Inevitable? David Clapperton the Horowhenua District Council CE has resigned.
Just one controversy too many?
After surviving the tempestuous Michael Feyen mayoralty, the current sub-division pipe size change lawsuit secrecy may have been one more hurdle that wasn’t necessary.
I see the former mayor, Brendon Duffy, has supported his decision to step aside.
A few decisions for candidates for the position to think deeply about.
Lake Horowhenua, 3 Waters, Council amalgamation, being just a few.
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November 4, 2021 11:52am
krazykiwi

The Vaccine Control Group now has 102,000 members across 40 countries. Still small, but growing.
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November 4, 2021 12:13pm
- cmm
  
  kk: Have you seen https://www.pandata.org/ ?
  
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  November 4, 2021 1:04pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes. Haven’t visited for a while, and I see there’s a page I’d not previously noticed: Reject the divide – Say no to dividing a society based on vaccination status. Some great content there, incl the 10 reasons.
    
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    November 4, 2021 1:23pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

Shame to see Alan Jones get the DCM from Sky News 🙁

On a more positive note…Racheal Smalley is joining Media Works and is expected to go head-to-head with Kerry Woodham.

Interesting times.
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November 4, 2021 12:37pm
- krazykiwi
  
  re Jones, ratings my arse. Sky News are simply kowtowing to the wokistas. Pity. And FWIW, I hope I have Jones’s energy level when I too am 80.
  
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  November 4, 2021 12:48pm
  - MCos
    
    I would suggest the last thing thing SkyNews could ever be accused of is any sort of inclination to listen to left wing opinion.
    However.
    If the advertisers run for cover, they, like NZME here will dispense with anyone.
    
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    November 4, 2021 1:48pm
    - Inandout
      
      MCos, which is why CNN is down among the worst purveyors of ‘news’ with abysmal ratings. Rachel Madcow down, Seth down, Colbert down…but Gutfeld is now tops. We see the broke ones are woke.
      
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      November 4, 2021 5:02pm
  - kowtow
    
    Andrew Bolt warned a couple of weeks ago that Murdoch management had told him they were changing editorial policy to ‘warmist’.
    
    He said they told him his independence was guaranteed ,he told his viewers that the minute he’s compromised by them on his freedom he’ll be gone .
    
    So big flip flop from the Murdoch press , that could have something to do with this Jones cancellation.
    
    Dangerous times.
    
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    November 4, 2021 3:05pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Dangerous times indeed. Without Jones, Kenney, Bolt, Murry, Credlin and their guests, Fox News won’t be worth watching IMO.
      We in NZ need their input to our daily doses of news because our MSM won’t report anything unfavourable to our current Govt and we definitely need some kind of world reality check that our wokester journos are incapable of.
      I’m very surprised the Murdoch Media has regressed to this point. Maybe Rupert has handed the company reins to Lachlan and James or Jerry Hall (wife) has joined the Dark Side (Socialism, world without borders and man-made climate change etc).
      
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      November 4, 2021 5:13pm
- ex-golfer
  
  I wonder if Rachel Smalley will ever speak about her success as the General Manager of Marketing and Stakeholder Management for KiwiBuild
  
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  November 4, 2021 6:21pm
70andstilllearning

Wonder if Micheal Baker is feeling devastated? He doesn’t appear to have been consulted!

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2021/11/coronavirus-experts-pick-when-the-pandemic-will-be-over-if-it-ever-is.html
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November 4, 2021 12:46pm
Lucia Maria

Commenting on the Herald seems to be broken for this article: Covid 19 Delta outbreak: Vaccine mandate – Half of teachers at some Bay of Plenty schools may leave, principal says.

Gee, I wonder why?

Apparently 42 comments, but can’t even look at them. Maybe they’ll be disappeared next.
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November 4, 2021 12:53pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Ardern must look forlornly at ‘real, grown up dictators’ who get the filthy masses to do exactly what they’re told at the end of a gun. “Get injected, or else!” It is so much cleaner as the dissenters can be simply disappeared. Instead she’s stuck with populations free to walk around, protest, ignore her. Some of the media even report on this stuff. Outrageous. All this must subconsciously gnaw away at her. Still, there’s a wedding to look forward to. And Aunty H is busy working on a UN parachute too!
  
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  November 4, 2021 1:31pm
- [email protected]
  
  Why isn’t the teachers union standing up for the teachers? Seems like that union may lose a number of their members.
  
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  November 4, 2021 7:41pm
Bridgenag

I know I am not accredited but may I ask the clever ones ….Can you catch Covid through the skin or does the face nappy catch it all? Serious question
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November 4, 2021 1:12pm
- krazykiwi
  
  There have been zero documented cases of fomite (surface borne) SARS-CoV-2 infection. The face nappy catches none of it – aerosols go directly through/around them. Bottom line: Unless you live in a Level-A HAZMAT suit, you’re going to be exposed to it. Your body is the first line of defense. Nurture your immune system.
  
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  November 4, 2021 1:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It has been hypothesised that damaged skin (eczema, psoriasis, dermatitis) could act as a reservoir/incubator of the coronavirus….
  
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7282737/
  
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  November 4, 2021 1:38pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Don’t forget transmission by farting.
    
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    November 4, 2021 4:56pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You are guaranteed to learn something new every time you visit KB.
      
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      November 4, 2021 8:44pm
Maggie Pie

Sir John Key tells ZB News that the country should be very worried about the level of government debt….now in excess of ‘$112 Billion’ and growing!

Robbo responds –
https://youtu.be/d-diB65scQU
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November 4, 2021 1:33pm
- Bridgenag
  
  Already been taken off
  
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  November 4, 2021 2:19pm
Maggie Pie

Trendsetting church leader encourages congregation to forego full-face tattoos in favor of just having the eyebrows done…..

https://twitter.com/fsradionz/status/1456057186463875077
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November 4, 2021 1:50pm
ABS4EVA

Well I had a very constructive friendly meeting
with the Seniors I report to

Where I was thanked and gifted

Did not have any objections to my remote working
so far

JACINDA DAN

SHUV YOUR MANDATES
WHERE THE SUN DOES NOT SHINE

I report to a HIGHER POWER

Take it away Brother Claude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I15m-CqEx3I
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November 4, 2021 2:08pm
Ehlana

All this talk about border crossing being limited to double vaxxed with recent negative test seems to overlook something.
Testing is done by people. They’ve been pretty busy this year so are probably overdue for holidays – and they also have family outside Auckland.
Policing is done by people too. Equally busy people just as much in need of rest and with the same chance of family outside Auckland.
What happens to the government’s grand plans if they all go off on holiday/strike?
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November 4, 2021 2:26pm
- Nickc2
  
  I think it’s pretty obvious Ehlana. Christmas and Christmas holidays for Aucklanders is cancelled. Methinks this has been her aim all along.
  I doubt she will be visiting Akld for her Christmas holidays.
  
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  November 4, 2021 2:30pm
  - mawm
    
    Off to her new bach in Tairua for Xmas I would assume.
    
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    November 4, 2021 6:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-forced-to-start-from-scratch-on-his-virginia-rigged-election-speech
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November 4, 2021 2:55pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  They probably did, just not enough (explains why they hired Clinton’s lawyer to stop any questions about election irregularities).
  
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  November 4, 2021 3:22pm
- dcrane
  
  Just scratch out Virgina and change it to ‘Jersey!
  
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  November 4, 2021 3:27pm
Maggie Pie

Chris Hipkins doubles-down on stupid….

https://twitter.com/NewshubPolitics/status/1456076757698711555
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November 4, 2021 3:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How many times have I said ‘socialists NEVER relinquish their control without a fight?’
  
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  November 4, 2021 3:29pm
  - dcrane
    
    Hopefully the weekend sees large demonstrations.
    
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    November 4, 2021 4:37pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_Revolution
    
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    November 4, 2021 5:50pm
Fletch

Apparently, the mere presence of your child in school is “implied consent” for giving them the vaccine, according to the WHO, and they would have to be purposely opted out if you don’t want it for them (see point 3 on Page 3).

3. An implied consent process by which parents are informed of imminent vaccination through social mobilization and communication, sometimes including letters directly addressed to the parents. Subsequently, the physical presence of the child or adolescent, with or without an accompanying parent at the vaccination session, is considered to imply consent. This practice is based on the opt-out principle and parents who do not consent to vaccination are expected implicitly to take steps to ensure that their child or adolescent does not participate in the vaccination session. This may include not letting the child or adolescent attend school on a vaccination day, if vaccine delivery occurs through schools.

https://www.who.int/immunization/programmes_systems/policies_strategies/consent_note_en.pdf
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November 4, 2021 4:17pm
- krazykiwi
  
  So based on WHOs definition of implied consent being where the child is “without an accompanying parent”, then Joseph Menegle was all good with this:
  
  In Auschwitz, Mengele worked with identical twins, trying to unravel how to genetically engineer a master race. Children were castrated, had limbs amputated, or their eyes injected with chemicals in an attempt to make them turn blue. One twin would be injected with typhus, then both would be killed and their organs compared.
  
  I mean, no parents there so consent was implied – right?
  
  Also, notice the term implied consent. Devious. What is demanded by the Nuremberg Code is informed consent.
  
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  November 4, 2021 5:05pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Further to this, who the hell is WHO to establish consent mechanisms for sovereign nations?
  
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  November 4, 2021 5:07pm
ABS4EVA

You know when you go to the doctor you go for a

….. i will spell it

C O N S U L T A T I O N

You know consultation it is an important
part of the practice of MEDICINE for
many REASONS.

In fact that is the operative word.
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November 4, 2021 4:20pm
krazykiwi

New Zealand researchers Aleisha Brock and Simon Thornley have published a peer-reviewed paper in Science, Public Health Policy, and the Law which reanalyses a key CDC study showing mRNA vaccines are safe during pregnancy and found that the actual rate of miscarriage before 20 weeks gestation following mRNA exposure was at least 81.9% – a massive seven-fold increase over the expected background rate of 11.3%. They have called for a halt on COVID-19 vaccines for pregnant women.
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November 4, 2021 5:33pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  This is a Designed to Order in the Lab Virus and it is doing what it is designed to do that is one (Benefit to the CCP) there are others.
  
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  November 4, 2021 6:08pm
- mawm
  
  The CDC study was so obviously manipulated to get a certain result. I’m glad to see NZ has stumped up to expose them.
  
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  November 4, 2021 6:56pm
Bridgenag

National have a partition to end MIQ
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November 4, 2021 7:12pm
- dcrane
  
  Link is here if allowed:
  
  https://www.national.org.nz/end-miq-now
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:54pm
ABS4EVA

NEWS FLASH

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/454927/us-manufacturer-seeks-medsafe-approval-for-novavax-use-in-new-zealand
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November 4, 2021 7:19pm
Russ the Muss

I’ve been banging on now for weeks about this to anyone who will listen, lol. but I don’t think people realize how bad the border opening is going to be for dear leader and her band of morons. This is a omnishambles that she has to own. She’s smart and a good spinner but aucklanders leaving with covid to the rest of the country is going to create plenty of anxiety and anger from 40% of the population. The cowards, bedwetters and those brainwashed with fear. Thankfully they are mostly left voters. The spin will be that we are 90% vaxxed and are safe from spreading and getting it, which is bollocks of course as we know. And I’m thinking most will know that by early December. Those over 65 and vaxxed 6 months ago better not read overseas research and definitely don’t google breakthrough infections….
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November 4, 2021 7:32pm
Inthe09

The Auckland border is going to break this Government.

1.7m fully ropable people who’ve been held ransom by the Government for months vs 3.3m people who ‘don’t want it in their backyard’.

Watch them twist and turn themselves inside out trying to come up with a solution to this one.
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November 4, 2021 9:01pm
- Russ the Muss
  
  That’s dead right. The temptation to hold Auckland back is strong but sources tell me they already know that’s not an option due to losing compliance, and talk around the traps of mass disobedience and the risk of convoys rolling through checkpoints are being discussed warily in the corridors of power. So the Planks and Bakers will be freaking, and it’s not that Adern doesn’t want to hold, but she knows she can’t. It’s a terrible situation for them and they know it. Legacies r made or burnt by such events.
  
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  November 4, 2021 9:44pm
- dcrane
  
  1.7m fully ropable ppl most of whom even TOOK THE FRIGGIN JAB…
  
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  November 4, 2021 10:52pm
ABS4EVA

Simple Question Unanswered

By the Divine Leader

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQB9UBm42Z8
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November 4, 2021 10:01pm
ABS4EVA

When Dan present his next Pile of
POLITICAL HORSE DUNG to clueless
Aussies he says
LIKE NZ LEGISLATION

Here it is (1984)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvFQ8onfOfA

When both parliaments ARE SHUT
they must chat and compare notes
so they sing off the same song sheet

FOR the Fools who Vote for them Both
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