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alloytoo

Question of the day.

How do we get the government to stop spamming us regarding Covid-19?
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May 10, 2022 8:06am
- krazykiwi
  
  Emigrate, or see David Seymour as PM.
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:36am
  - 2ic
    
    I don’t have any confidence in Seymour. It wasn’t long ago he was leading the charge in ostracising the unvaccinated from society. Just see for yourself at the 5:00 mark:
    
    https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=220392
    
    “We are going to have to consider what sort of rights people have to stipulate vaccination – not that another person must be vaccinated unconditionally – but that they will only transact with a person if that person is vaccinated”
    
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    May 10, 2022 9:29am
    - surfing
      
      Vote for yourself then.
      
      You’re not really going to find anyone else who thinks exactly the same as you.
      
      For me, it is a matter with who you mostly agree with. In my lifetime, I’d say Stephen Joyce is the politician I mostly agree with.. Don Brash is up there too.
      
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      May 10, 2022 10:02am
      - 2ic
        
        I don’t know who I’m going to vote for next election, but it will only be a party that is going to uphold basic human rights and personal freedoms. I would have thought that if any party currently in parliament was going to do that it would be Act.
        
        I watched carefully how all political party leaders responded to the parliament protests, and after what I saw I’ve ruled out voting for National or Act – and I’ve voted National most of my life and Act last election.
        
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        May 10, 2022 12:23pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        In reply to 2ic:
        
        Following the next election, there will certainly be a Govt of some stripe or other. It may not be exactly as you would wish; that would be rare.
        
        However, if you choose not to vote then you can have no complaints about the outcome.
        
        Better to vote for the options that best approximate your views, even if you have to hold your nose while doing so.
        
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        May 10, 2022 12:48pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Looks like you’re voting for Jacinda then. Nothing else counts.
        
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        May 10, 2022 1:10pm
    - coge
      
      The entire NZ political class acted unlawfully against the population of NZ. And yes, Segregation Seymour was in that up to his armpits. Question is now, what to do about this?
      
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      May 10, 2022 10:18am
  - cmm
    
    I think the sooner people see politics is really as fake as professional wrestling the better.
    
    As soon as anyone actually starts doing things that stir the pot they are quickly eliminated. Example: Dave Garrett
    
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    May 10, 2022 9:43am
    - cjn
      
      Neil Oliver has been commenting for some time that politicians are like the farmers and pigs in Animal Farm. He is talking about the UK but it is the same here.
      
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      May 10, 2022 7:19pm
- Simon
  
  Covid 19 spamming is government department hold outs. Politically its over.
  
  Notice how the so called covid 19 experts promoted in MSM are now so impotent. With out a political narrative to run along side the so called science experts are empty and aimless.
  
  The science always followed the political narrative.
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:40am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Reply with expletives
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:51am
- Inandout
  
  alloy, turn your volume down or use Spotify.
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:58am
- graham
  
  Depends on where you’re getting the spam from, but if it’s via NZ media the answer is simple:
  
  Just stop watching and listening.
  
  I think many people on Kiwiblog probably consume very little of NZ media, and with good reason. In our house SWMBO still insists on watching One News but all commercials are skipped and a lot of the rubbish that passes for “news” is skipped over also – it’s not unusual for her to get through the hour-long news program in under 25 minutes.
  
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  May 10, 2022 9:37am
  - curry4me
    
    The only NZ media I consume is The Platform, and stuff by Lingo Lewi, the bloke who films the F&R demonstrations, and Chantelle Baker.
    
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    May 10, 2022 3:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Turn off Red Radio, don’t watch play school TV1.
  Blacklist email, mail spam goes in the bin.
  
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  May 10, 2022 10:15am
- Sacha
  
  Turn off the radio and tv. Don’t buy newspapers.
  ignore the lot of them.
  You can find out all you need to know by reading selected blogs and streaming services.
  
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  May 10, 2022 12:14pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Well shiver my timbers!!
  
  Remember how the Gummint gave away money to keep Bluff Smelter working.
  No
  Remember when teh Gummint didnt give any cash to keep the Whangarei Refinery open.
  
  Now, consider the big costs of fuel at the NZ pump.
  
  Then read this.!!!!
  https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-energy-minister-says-gap-between-crude-prices-fuel-mobility-prices-around-2022-05-09/
  
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  May 11, 2022 7:49am
Yvette

Do Maori really have any interest in “co-governance” of ‘3 Waters”, when there is a greater matter at stake –

Tuku Morgan (Waikato Tainui), is a member of the Three Waters working group who in March dismissed claims that Māori would own the country’s water infrastructure under the reforms. “There is a view being promoted by some of the councillors around the country that this is a Māori grab for power, that we are interested in owning these water assets,” he told 1News. “It’s absolute nonsense. We have always said, that we’re not interested in owning the water assets. What we’re interested in is the proprietor rights over water, and that is a discussion to be had with the Crown, not with councils.” 

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/29/iwi-involvement-aims-to-further-safeguard-water-assets-robertson/

There is no power in pipes – they are only provision, maintenance, expenditure and headache.
Power is in what is in the pipes.
Real power is “proprietor rights over water”
Not just what comes out your kitchen tap, or goes off down the toilet, but what surges through Benmore
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May 10, 2022 8:06am
- Swifty
  
  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
  
  That’s the goal.
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:38am
  - Sacha
    
    The water will cost them nothing, but they will be dollar rich from what they get paid for its use.
    Money for nothing . . . . .
    
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    May 10, 2022 12:16pm
  - Jim
    
    NZ future is certainly water metering for $ by the litre, and your future bill might include a special “Iwi Levy”
    
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    May 10, 2022 6:00pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, and in Dunedin we do not pay water rates, the woke lefties at work that still heil dear leader say don’t you want clean water? they are gutted when i say i do have clean water, but when i told them get ready for you’re water rates then , and all said what water rates? just shows how thick leftie voters can be
      
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      May 10, 2022 8:14pm
- Hacked-Off
  
  Rangatira want it all – all of New Zealand and ruling over everyone. Page 79 of He Puapua says it all. All rights and democracy to be suspended in order to attain ‘equity’ for Maori. Maori (Rangatira that is) will decide which rights are to be allowed, and to decide when equity is achieved. But even if equity is achieved, the right of Rangatira to interfer and determine the rights of New Zealanders will be permanent.
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:57am
- Tricati
  
  Interesting meaning of Proprietor Rights seems to say ownership – Devious words to obfuscate the true intention of 3 waters I believe. Time to ask Ardern, is what Tuku Morgan is saying is government policy.
  “Proprietary rights, also termed property rights, are the rights that accompany legal ownership of tangible or intangible property; rights over or in respect of property”.
  
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  May 10, 2022 9:15am
- Paulus
  
  Under the new three waters Ngai Tahu get the whole of the South Island and that includes all rivers, lakes, and of course generationg power stations which supply the North Island.
  Absolute control ~
  
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  May 10, 2022 10:13am
  - Jack5
    
    They want feudal control ….
    
    Ngai Tahu businesses are exempt from company tax because they operate as registered charities.
    
    The rest of us will pay for water, for the right to use of their portions of the wireless spectrum used by new technologies … plus side benefits such as Ngai Tahu kids’ race-privilege access to university medical schools.
    
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    May 10, 2022 11:18am
Simon

The ACT Party will abolish the Ministry for Women, Ministry of Māori Development, the Human Rights Commission, the Office for Crown-Mäori Relations, the Ministry for Pacific Peoples and the Ministry for Ethnic Communities. They are opposed to a Ministry of Rainbow Peoples.
https://twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1523508191577128960

ACT also want to fire 14,000 useless mouths in the public sector. This will free up workers for pizza shops and service station attendants.

A real threat to civil society is left wing run government departments. Its not good enough to have a centre right government undermined by the left in various government departments. Its essential for civil society that public sector power is checked and rolled back.
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May 10, 2022 8:09am
- krazykiwi
  
  Is this ACT policy, or just some bitter/woke ‘they/them’ pronoun-bearing twit donning sack cloth and ashes in anticipation?
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:40am
  - westernScientist
    
    policy as part of their shadow budget
    
    https://www.act.org.nz/budget2022
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:55am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Terrific news. More power to them.
      
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      May 10, 2022 1:15pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Not policy, it was their alternative budget, that has no chance of happening at all, Seymour is starting to mirror the tyrant Peters, full of shit, and nothing to show for his years in parliament apart from assisted suicide
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:55am
    - Jack5
      
      Many are grateful to Seymour for getting a referendum on “end of life choice,” as the referendum called it. Two-thirds of New Zealand voters supported it.
      
      Seymour showed guts in standing alone in the Parliamentary panic after the mosques shooting, though someone got to him at the last minute when he could have forced rational consideration of firearms law by a committee.
      
      National and ACT need each other, and the views of G from Dunedin in effect would back Ardern.
      
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      May 10, 2022 12:11pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Are you for real? I know if the government is to change then it’s Nat/Act FFS, but that means ACT party vote and Nats electorate, voting Act in an electorate outside Epson is splitting the vote to let Labour in the back door, you would have to be an idiot not to realise I think Nats lead government with Act
        
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        May 10, 2022 1:58pm
  - Hebe123
    
    I heard Seymour say, on interview with Ani OBrien on the platform, that they would get rid of lots of civil servants (61k down to 47k or something like?) and get rid of HRC and women’s affairs. Can’t recall what else.
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:58am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That’s a drop of the 14000 that Nats are saying are not necessary
      
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      May 10, 2022 11:31am
      - westernScientist
        
        sorry dont see the Nats getting rid of any of these:
        
        Ministry for Women, Ministry of Māori Development, the Human Rights Commission, the Office for Crown-Mäori Relations, the Ministry for Pacific Peoples and the Ministry for Ethnic Communities.
        
        I can however seeing them creating a Ministry of Rainbow Peoples if it hasnt been already.
        
        Unless ACT have enough sway to stop them
        
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        May 10, 2022 12:20pm
      - Sideoiler
        
        That’s a drop of the 14000 that Nats are saying are not necessary
        
        The best Luxon will commit to is a sinking lid on public service hiring.
        
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        May 10, 2022 12:28pm
  - lastmanstanding
    
    On the subject of Woke I gotta laugh. The Feminists are seeing 50 years of activity swept away by the transgender outfit. So all that hard work to define themselves as wimmin now gone. They are livid and rightly so.
    
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    May 10, 2022 9:37am
    - oldfella
      
      lastman: woman (i.e biological females) all around the world are being threatened, not by some kind of ‘special military operation’, but a full scale war.
      https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/04/30/the-real-war-on-women/
      
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      May 10, 2022 10:53am
      - oldfella
        
        Duh, should read women (i.e. biological females), etc
        
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        May 10, 2022 12:11pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Do you have an example of a winnin being livid? I love hearing them, and if they are livid, they won’t like critical race theory being pushed on our kids
      
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      May 10, 2022 10:53am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Nats have been calling for the bureaucratic bun fight to stop for 3 years, Seymour has just said what Bats have been saying for years
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:53am
- Taieri
  
  They are opposed to a Ministry of Rainbow Peoples
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  The Ministry of Rainbow Peoples should be created immediately so that the Rainbow People are cared for and no longer discriminated against. In fact, the Ministry of Rainbow Peoples is the only ministry that is really essential. In this day and age…
  
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  May 10, 2022 9:03am
  - westernScientist
    
    Luxon has the credentials to make it happen:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/127164379/air-nzs-support-for-rainbow-community-reached-new-heights-under-christopher-luxons-watch
    
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    May 10, 2022 12:22pm
  - tf78
    
    I thought the days of the rainbow’s being discriminated against stopped about 20 odd years ago. They are only discriminated against nowadays because of their intolerable behaviour.
    
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    May 10, 2022 12:26pm
- thirteenstars
  
  The tweet referenced is from an activist who obviously dislikes ACT and all those in favour of a reduction in the size and power of the state.
  
  So why use it? Quote the actual policy, if it exists.
  
  However, should those policies actually exist, then good. It’s exactly what I expect ACT to stand for. Not National, mind you. Oh, no, no, no. That would frighten the natives. And we know that National has a strong diversity focus where candidate selection on the basis of race, gender, etc. is a priority, so we won’t see any moves to abolish or downsize the above-mentioned orgs from that side of the fence.
  
  ACT needs to be a big tail to wag that old blue dog, at least 15-20 MPs so National can’t simply co-opt the Greens or Maori when it wants to take the easy way out.
  
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  May 10, 2022 9:53am
- curry4me
  
  That’s a really good start. I wonder of the organization charts at government departments have been revised since the beginning of the internet age. I bet there’s a lot of fat to trim. Then, there are all the ‘woke’ positions. Fire all the ‘diversity and inclusion’ staff. Ditto for HR. Farm it out.
  
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  May 10, 2022 3:05pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Bwhahahahahaha, little Willie says Seymour is a useless Maori Bwhahahahahahaha, i think a shit storm may hit, Cindy hiding away again, Robertson refusing to say whether Little Willies vulgar racist smear was good enough for a minister says the so called Maori caucus is in control .
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:18pm
Yvette

“Co-governance” and “history”
… In the end, under UNDRIP – and the Treaty of Waitangi for that matter – it doesn’t matter which party is leading the government, they have to respond to the same obligations. Or ignore them. Any argument that NZ does not need UNDRIP because the country has the Treaty of Waitangi, would likely be viewed sceptically by Māori who have had to fight for generations for that treaty to be honoured.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/the-dripping-tap-of-indigenous-rights

In fact Hansard, as historic as that may be, records a covenant or condition under which the Minister of Māori Affairs, the Hon Dr Pita Sharples signed the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples –

Hon SIMON POWER: This morning, at 4.45 New Zealand time, 12.45 p.m. New York time, the Minister of Māori Affairs, the Hon Dr Pita Sharples, appeared before the United Nations Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues and announced New Zealand’s support for the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples as follows.

… In moving to support the Declaration, New Zealand both affirms those rights and reaffirms the legal and constitutional frameworks that underpin New Zealand’s legal system. Those existing frameworks, while they will continue to evolve in accordance with New Zealand’s domestic circumstances, define the bounds of New Zealand’s engagement with the aspirational elements of the Declaration.

In particular, where the Declaration sets out aspirations for rights to and restitution of traditionally held land and resources, New Zealand has, through its well-established processes for resolving Treaty claims, developed its own distinct approach.

That approach respects the important relationship that Māori, as tangata whenua, have with their lands and resources both currently and historically, and the complementary principles of rangatiratanga and kaitiakitanga that underpin that relationship. It also maintains, and will continue to maintain, the existing legal regimes for the ownership and management of land and natural resources.
– Ministerial Statements, UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples—Government Support
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/49HansD_20100420_00000071/ministerial-statements-un-declaration-on-the-rights-of

Why even think of teaching history in schools when those supposedly making history misquote or ignore even recent history?
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May 10, 2022 8:09am
Tempist

So Government is now planning to part-fund bollards to stop ram raids which aren’t part of an uncontrolled crime wave; this should be something that can achieve at least – Labour putting barriers in front of small business since forever…
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May 10, 2022 8:10am
- kowtow
  
  The joke is we keep hearing about them building fortifications / physical defences for certain properties , but no talk about holding criminals to account .
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:38am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Don’t speak too soon, of course consent is required
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:56am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Well, it’ll be good experience in design and implementation for Trevors Bollards, Fence and Moat around Castle Mallard.
  
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  May 10, 2022 9:04am
- pdm
  
  `Labour putting barriers in front of small business since forever……’
  
  Tempist this lot have graduated to barriers for all business – with a special focus on productive businesses.
  
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  May 10, 2022 9:10am
- cmm
  
  Kiwibollard.
  
  Should have 10 of them built by the time there are flying cars.
  
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  May 10, 2022 9:45am
  - Nickc2
    
    The Govt has to hire consultants, gain Maori consent, and agree to koha payment its schedule first and that’s before Akld City Council repeats the process and approves consent.
    By that time, a new Police Commissioner will have been appointed
    and the coppers will have done their job and there will be no need for bollards eh?
    
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    May 10, 2022 9:58am
- Paulus
  
  Assuming Local Council give their permission to erect these bollards.
  Permission is needed for a fee of course, and patience for a reply.
  
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  May 10, 2022 10:15am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Honestly….makes you wonder just whose side Chris Luxton is on 🙁

https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/1523473576816365568
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May 10, 2022 8:10am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maggie I don’t think we’ve had opposing “sides” for a number of years now. It’s all looking like a bit of a sham. Same in the UK. It’s a worry.
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:15am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Agreed. National and Labour are two sides of the same coin, yet tribals remain convinced of the power of their vote to effect change. Head in the sand stuff.
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:42am
    - Hebe123
      
      Perhaps Seymour can get a good coalition deal 🤪
      
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      May 10, 2022 8:59am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Not with 6% he cant, he will sit and do as he is told
        
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        May 10, 2022 8:20pm
    - stiff cheese
      
      Probably why the term “uniparty” has taken off.
      
      All the “choices” lead in the same direction as approved by a global cabal who pull the strings.
      
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      May 10, 2022 11:23am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Someone up-thread (cmm?) likened contemporary politics to professional wrestling, and he is 100% right: only the most hopelessly deluded accept the verisimilitude of the spectacle. But the same is true is Aus, US, UK, France, Germany … anywhere you care to name.
      
      For 100 years or more, national sovereignty has been diminished to an absolute minimum, and we are in a world of centralised global decision making by opaque and unaccountable “stakeholders.” Politicians do the bidding of those who set the global direction of travel. They do not do the bidding of the voter. It doesn’t matter if Ardern or Luxon is the PM, because there is no substantive difference. To continue the fake wrestling analogy, we have two “combatants” in the ring performing a series of pre-arranged moves, each aiming to not hurt each other so the match can continue, the crowd is entertained and emotionally invested in the outcome, but it is CEO of the WWE Vince McMahon who determines how the match unfolds.
      
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      May 10, 2022 12:01pm
      - cmm
        
        Twain: ‘If Voting Made a Difference, They Wouldn’t Let Us Do It’
        
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        May 10, 2022 2:56pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Labour/National coalition government 2023.
  You heard it here first.
  Luxon for deputy PM.
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Don’t talk utter crap, everyone I know rants rid of Labour, and I live in a Labour strong hold, Nats are anti 3 waters, separatist services, extra taxes, I think I will try my luck with Nats ACT thanks. Labour are the poison
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:24am
    - kowtow
      
      It’s not utter crap at all .
      
      In many places in the west there are coalitions of the former alleged opponents .
      
      They do it while they pretend to exclude “extremists” , but in fact just an excuse to stay at the trough and push through the globalist agenda.
      
      Germany and Ireland good examples.
      
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      May 10, 2022 8:42am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        You have just given two examples, Germany roils have to be one of the Wokest stupidest countries in the world, go ask Luxon if he comes to town have you thought about a grand co coalition, you realise with Germany the highest polling party at the election must find a party to govern with, often they may not have any choice, unlike the shambles here giving 6% the say over all voters in this country, do yes you are talking shit
        
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        May 10, 2022 10:57am
      - kowtow
        
        Oi , I try to be civil and shed a bit of light and reasonable opinion here , saying I’m talking shit is downright rude and un necessary , does nothing for this platform .
        
        So far as I’m concerned, G string from Dunedin ,you’re as dumb as they cum if you can’t engage beyond your tribe.
        
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        May 10, 2022 12:26pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I gave him a full understanding in my post, it is crap, if you think the ever decreasing support of Labour will see them the highest polling party at the election then you are an extremely deluded fool
        
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        May 10, 2022 2:03pm
    - plc
      
      But is a bandaid over the festering sore that is the current government really the answer?
      
      Put on the Big Boy Pants or don’t bother
      
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      May 10, 2022 8:46am
    - Hebe123
      
      I know heaps of people who think she is doing a good job. Horrifying but true.
      
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      May 10, 2022 9:00am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Well, they use to say that here, but not any more
        
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        May 10, 2022 10:58am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Not a snowball’s chance in hell. You heard it here first 😀
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:48am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    About as big a dream as Seymour stopping Covid spam as PM …….
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Labour and Greens have gone so far left they are on the edge of the flat earth, foaming at the mouth.
    National are seeing a vacant center left and want those votes. National thinks that they will always get the stalwart votes. Well, they may not. Many will defect to Act. Looks like that is where I am going, after 49 years of voting National.
    Wake up National, if you want my vote.
    
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    May 10, 2022 10:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You do realise why Act were seat up don’t you ? Acts going down in the polls because they are trying for the centre vote, it’s that arrogance that will let Labour sneak back in with the greens and MP
      
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      May 10, 2022 11:00am
      - Observer of Life
        
        G from DUD.. boy take a chill pill.
        
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        May 10, 2022 7:00pm
- Ra Henare
  
  In my day it was called “”pissing in their pocket””
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Some on here actually piss into the wind on a howling Wellington day 😃
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:58am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Eating their lunch Ra?
    
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    May 10, 2022 9:52am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Oh here we go again FFS , if it’s climate change, they say no added cost to NZers, and not one cent of burden on the economy, they say we will do it with science, already they have taken on board that cow emissions can be reduced by 30% if farms use a certain product, also new grass varieties can reduce emissions for all agri stock, how s as bout we let them have their view without hating on them, farmers( and I know through my work this to be true) want to reduce their emissions, they are looking for scientific ways to do so , they are pouring millions into doing so, what would you have Nats do? Simply say climate change is bullshit, and we don’t care ? How many centre voters do you think that will cost them ?
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:22am
  - krazykiwi
    
    You are the definition of tribal. I expect if Luxon drowned puppies on live TV you’d find ways to praise his humane approach to a difficult task.
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:45am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Now you listen up, and listen good, I want rid of this ridiculous government, (you don’t) I have told you lot my story before, I was one of those fools in Dunedin that tribally voted Labour because family did, I woke up yo the useless Labour Party taking our votes for granted and and delivering us nothing because they think we are dumb, my vote goes to anyone who will get rid of Labour, splitting the vote is idiotic, he helps retain this utter shambles in government, ACT will not win any new electorates, and all they will do is help deliver useless Labour electorate MPs that should be sacked, stop attacking the man FFS and at least put up a reasonable point of difference, I respect you’re opinion, but I don’t have to agree, either stop you’re attack on my knowing their is only one way of getting rid of Labour, or explain an alternative, because at present there is no alternative to getting rid of Labour, ACT should only get party vote except in Epsom
      
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      May 10, 2022 9:05am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        I was one of those fools in Dunedin that tribally voted Labour because family did…
        
        Sounds like you’ve simply transferred your tribalism to National.
        
        I’m sure you know the saying that governments lose elections rather than oppositions winning them and we’re seeing that happen now.
        
        Given that, all that Luxon and National have to do is not scare those precious centre-voters. But that is not the same thing as pandering to the same bullshit that Labour pushes. You really think that Climate Change is a big deal to those voters? In the Western world it’s not when opinion polls are held ranking voter concerns.
        
        It is not a decisive issue and even less so when people are presented with the actual costs of the “solutions” recommended, or when they have to face the consequences. Luxon should be taking advantage of those key weaknesses in the 2050 target, not blathering on about how he supports it also but will do it differently.
        
        I’d like to think that it’s just the usual political party cynicism but given what else I’ve seen from this wet drip I think he probably believes it – which means a National-led government will not only screw us in pursuit of this goal they’ll have taken off the table a weapon to attack Labour with. That’s not smart politics either short or long-term, and assuming Luxon is smart it means he truly believes this.
        
        We got this Labour government because nine years of Key enabled it, and now we’ll be looking at a future Labour government that will be even worse because it will be enabled by two or three terms of Luxon-think.
        
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        May 10, 2022 11:15am
      - kowtow
        
        ‘and delivering us nothing ‘
        
        Not to mention voting for OPM .
        
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        May 10, 2022 12:31pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        G, I did play the man somewhat and unlike one or two others around here you’re not deserving of that. So I retract and apologise.
        
        To the issue, you have clearly stated that you want to change the government. Sure. I get it.
        
        But that’s not enough for me.
        
        I want New Zealand to change trajectory, and changing the government doesn’t do that. Rather it lulls us, the proletariat, into believing we’ve made a difference when 30+ years of Labour->National->Labour etc has shown that our trajectory stays essentially the same regardless.
        
        Real trajectory change only occurs when there is a crisis (eg the collapse of the Soviet Union), and right now voting National only delays the onset of a crisis when what we desperately need is the statist/socialist boil to be thoroughly lanced. Voting National is, quite literally, taking the blue pill and staying blissfully ignorant of this fact.
        
        I wish this wasn’t the case. I wish National had the vision and moral backbone to arrest our seemingly inexorable slide into statist/socialist destruction. But they don’t. And only once things have become more dire than they are today will there emerge political leadership capable of a trajectory change. Again, I don’t expect this from National, and I’m also doubtful that Seymour is up to the task.
        
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        May 10, 2022 1:43pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Another thing, I couldn’t give a shit if he did drown puppies on tv
      
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      May 10, 2022 9:10am
      - Hebe123
        
        Wow you’re the kind of guy I’d vote for for sure //
        
        Hope that was just a dumbass response bc as you know the way we treat animals says a lot about who we are.
        
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        May 10, 2022 10:26pm
  - westernScientist
    
    No the Nats should say, this is what it will cost you if this is done. All of a sudden those centre virtue signalling voters will be somewhat less concerned. No one actually gives a sh*t about climate change if it costs them directly. All the people who say they care want to force someone else to pay for them to feel better about it, not pay themselves.
    
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    May 10, 2022 9:01am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I don’t think the Nats care about climate change, but they do have to look like they are addressing it
      
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      May 10, 2022 11:02am
  - H. Upmann
    
    You are ignoring the point; Climate Change, save the world from emissions, warming……it is all total bullshit.
    Will Luxon say that? Ever? No.
    He is part of the problem and every time he opens his mouth he shows just how woke he is. He is acting like a James Shaw clone.
    
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    May 10, 2022 10:13am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He won’t say it because the bloody media attack dogs, he has to sound as if he cares
      
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      May 10, 2022 11:03am
      - H. Upmann
        
        Sounding as if he cares is not how Luxon comes across. He comes across on all fronts as a disciple of Woke Church.
        If he is afraid of the attack dogs he should not be the leader of National. Seymour shows more courage than Luxon.
        
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        May 10, 2022 12:04pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Half of the country loathe the media, so why does Luxon constantly speak and act in a way that is designed to please the media? The guy is a soft cock who is guided by the tastes of urban focus groups and twentysomething female journalists. He needs to (but never will) USE the media opprobrium to his advantage. Trump pulled off the most dramatic political victory in (certainly recent) history because the media hated him (or at least, the media hatred was due to Trump being a genuinely popular, unvetted candidate). A Rubio or a Cruz would never have won, precisely because they are far more media-friendly.
        
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        May 10, 2022 12:15pm
    - Ehlana
      
      H. Upmann, the relevant point is more that if the general public tell pollsters they believe in and care about climate change, then politicians have to be seen to respond to those concerns if they want people to vote for them.
      
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      May 10, 2022 12:07pm
      - H. Upmann
        
        Better to tell the voters the truth, better to put forward the realism of this fake science and make the general public sheep think outside the mainstream. It is called honesty.
        
        Allowing the “popular”, brainwashing fakery to prevail just keeps the lie as the truth.
        If Luxon or any other person knows and believes something different than the mainstream and does not speak out against it, they are being dishonest, lying. So far Luxon has only shown he is a believer in the fake science.
        
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        May 10, 2022 3:11pm
- Nickc2
  
  Extremely disappointing IMO!
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:23am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  He’s not on any side because there’s no such person.
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:27am
  - Nickc2
    
    Read between the lines Capt.
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:30am
- Benedict Yu
  
  He is wrong. Unless you use extensive international emissions trading, there are not “a range of ways” to reduce New Zealand emissions. (International emissions trading in simple terms is paying countries like Poland and Belarus to shut down their coal fired energy, and to claim credit for it.)
  
  But back to New Zealand. About 90 percent of emissions are from transport and agriculture, mainly dairy for the latter.
  
  So the only ways to reduce New Zealand emissions is to regulate or price people into more efficient but more expensive cars, and in doing so to price many people out of private transport. And reduce the dairy herd.
  
  Of course perhaps this is just Benedict Yu letting those pesky facts get in the way. Maybe Mr Luxon has a clever plan. But I doubt it.
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:31am
  - GJM
    
    Why aren’t agricultural emissions allocated to the end user? It is their decision, often politically driven, to purchase from or provide protection to local or inefficient suppliers.
    The NZ dairy industry feeds 40m people. Why should NZ farmers be penalised? If NZ disappeared overnight, those 40m people wouldn’t give up dairy. They would buy it from somewhere else, fed on subsidized grain and raised indoors, with no emissions penalties.
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:38am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Dairy/farming emissions should not even be taken into account – farming is a closed carbon cycle, and contributes nothing to so called ‘climate change/global warming’. Besides, methane is an unstable gas and breaks down into its gaseous components. When will some credible scientist come up with a proper review & get it promoted and stop this “Carbon is a poison” bullshit?
      
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      May 10, 2022 12:14pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Science could halve their emissions now, but this Marxist regime refuse to let that count
        
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        May 10, 2022 8:28pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Thats why Luxon says he wants science to reduce the emissions form agri, 30% less for a certain cow feed, also new grass varieties giving less emissions to all animals, dung beetle cuts rates massively also, read the whole policy of Nats , not one more cent to the public or no new cost to business or the economy
      
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      May 10, 2022 8:27pm
  - plc
    
    Regardless what NZ does it will not make one iota of different is any man-made global warming scenario
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:48am
  - RoboRob
    
    I don’t know the exact numbers but I suspect we could easily get to the targets by doing two things
    
    1) let the farmers work on their science
    2) The only thing the govt needs to do is can the Huntly power station and replace it with Nuclear.
    
    Job done
    
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    May 10, 2022 9:02am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Trying and failing to fix climate change will be the death of the NZ economy.
      
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      May 10, 2022 11:29am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Luxon does have a plan, snd it’s scientific only, not a cent to NZers pockets, and not a cent in cost to the economy, how that is the same as these idiots throwing money out the airplane window is the same is beyond me
    
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    May 10, 2022 9:08am
    - westernScientist
      
      And what is it?
      
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      May 10, 2022 12:28pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Read my posts above, they do not want one cent to the public, they do not want business or the economy lumbered with costs, they want science to help, like the products that drop cow emissions down 30%, (which this government refuse to let happen), also there are new grass types that cut emissions, plus things like dung beetles.
        There is also things like not using bloody artificial carperts, like ecco strand and rhino strand are oil products, how about people try doing some of the right things their self
        
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        May 10, 2022 2:35pm
      - westernScientist
        
        @ G the giant from Dunedin
        None of those things are free.
        The products that could potentially drop methane emissions, 1 is a seaweed derivative which has not been shown to work in pastoral systems, last I herd some NZ scientists were trying to get permission to do trials. The methane vaccines dont work yet, farmers mainly, but also some general tax payer funding will have sunk ~100mil into their development by 2025, hopefully they will work but its really hard to do, and again even if they do work, it is a product which has costs associated with it for its manufacture etc. that farmers will have to pay.
        The HME grass, unless the Nats are going to remove the ban on genetic engineering then they are a non starter. There are some trials on it in the US currently, the only ones we have in NZ are in PC3 labs, I wont disclose where due to vandalised NZ GE projects having been vandalised in the past. I dont know a lot about the dung Beatles, but I dont see how they can help mitigate methane emissions from pastoral grazed animals.
        
        All of this stuff in its development phase costs the tax payer and the economy, and once it is a working product, it costs everyone, i.e. the economy, because those resources could have been spent on something else more useful. The same goes for the carpet, if it is enforced that people can no longer buy cheap carpet, or the one they want, prices go up.
        
        Never trust a polly that says you can have something for nothing.
        
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        May 10, 2022 4:59pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        To you’re post below, as you will know if you are paying attention you will know i work in a large agri company, i know for a fact farms are itching to be allowed to use these products, you do know that farmers will spend to keep up their product? , they often plant new grasses, so that is a cost anyway, its time we except a scientific approach or stick with the idiotic leftie charging to make no bloody difference.
        Nicola Grigg who is already a much loved MP is Selwyn, she has lots of support for scientific work to help get emissions down, same with Megan Hands in the neighboring seat of Rangitata who will be an MP in a year if she is chosen to stand
        
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        May 10, 2022 8:36pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    This summarizes the BS about EV….and Co2 emissions
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1E8SQde5rk
    
    Skip to minute 2:00
    
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    May 10, 2022 9:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Reducing the dairy herd means less exports, creating a shortage that other Countries will fill. Therefore no change in emissions, just NZ has less.
    Climate change supporters are plain stupid.
    
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    May 10, 2022 11:02am
  - westernScientist
    
    I could actually understand the agriculture argument if we were not paying anything on the fossil fuels burned here. But it makes no sense to be including both exports and imports as costs in the ETS. If milk/meat etc is to be priced here, oil/coal etc should not be (except for the small amount of coal we mine). If we want to charge ETS on fossil fuels, then the people eating the burgers should be paying the ETS on the cows.. With Ag in we will be subsidising other countries.
    
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    May 10, 2022 12:31pm
    - Paulus
      
      Another Coal ship from Indonesia unloading in Tauranga currently.
      
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      May 10, 2022 1:25pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That means Auckland will have electric stuff for next weekend I guess
        
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        May 10, 2022 4:34pm
      - westernScientist
        
        got to charge those EVs some how
        
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        May 10, 2022 6:26pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Oh, that’s different, its hypocrite leftie coal imported
        
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        May 10, 2022 8:39pm
- Frank the tank
  
  That is why Act need to be >10% come 2023. Closer to 20% would be better. Te Reo is a corporate wokester; Willis a beltway Wellingtonian; and Bishop a poll-driven dribbler.
  
  By no means is Act perfect however FMD they are easily the best of the bunch.
  
  And here’s the clicker – if you party vote Act and candidate vote National you will almost guarantee an parliamentary overhang that favors the right.
  
  I’d almost argue Te Reo needs the old coot as well for conservative social policy as well although I know that will trigger many on here.
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:33am
  - Batman
    
    You’re not a National voter. This is akin to telling Labour they should be more like th Greens to have any hope of winning.
    
    It’s not the point of those parties.
    
    Go and vote conservative or something.
    
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    May 10, 2022 10:44am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Bat – you do realize that there is more to New Zealand than the inner city suburbs of Wokeington don’t you?
      
      P.S. I have voted for National since I was old enough to vote. This coming election will be the first time I don’t vote National since I was eligible to vote.
      
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      May 10, 2022 11:50am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Old coot? He is only 51 FFS
    
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    May 10, 2022 11:05am
    - Frank the tank
      
      I’m fairly sure Winston is older than 51.
      
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      May 10, 2022 11:45am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Sorry, thought you were talking Luxon, Peters was 78 a few weeks ago and will be well into his 80th year at the election
        
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        May 10, 2022 2:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Party vote Act is the key. I will candidate vote National in Upper Harbour. I want Vanushi Walters out. 15000 votes for National was pathetic – need a good candidate.
    
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    May 10, 2022 11:12am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Good, that is what ACT was seat up to be
      
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      May 10, 2022 2:07pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You will lucky if ACT are above 5%, if Seymour keeps his idiocy going like it has this week then people will be sickened by his childish bullshit
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:40pm
- pdm
  
  Could someone tell Luxon that Climate change is only Nature doing what it has always done.
  
  I have just seen a photo on Facebook of flooding in Waipukurau in 1934 – in my 76 years, with with over 40 of them living in Central Hawkes Bay, I have never seen or heard of flooding in that part of the town.
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:58am
  - chukar
    
    PDM,
    Something for the Nag from Dunedin!
    Luxon is only following Labour’s lead, actually he thinks ,er thinks what?
    GG do you know?
    
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    May 10, 2022 10:05am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You have you’re opinion you chukar of bike, I have mine, we have two choice FFS Nat government or a Labour government, I feel sick that I voted for Labour for years, I hate them with a passion, ACT will help deliver a Labour government with greens and Māori party if ACT split the vote
      
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      May 10, 2022 11:37am
      - H. Upmann
        
        I enjoy reading your comments G and mostly give you a thumbs up.
        However, you unfortunately often display a rage that I associate with unhinged leftists and I feel this has been very noticeable in your comments today. Anger. You don’t need it. A trait from Labour days maybe?
        Luxon is not perfect, far from it. I admire that you defend him but to attack anyone who points this out is ridiculous. He may be the best National can front with now but he needs to stop shooting himself in the foot before his aim is off and it becomes a head shot.
        
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        May 10, 2022 12:22pm
      - westernScientist
        
        I really dont get this: unless you think Act will both not win epsom, and not get 5% of the party vote, voting ACT is not splitting the vote in any way that will advantage Labour. New Conservatives, sure the argument holds, but not with ACT, unless you have a really good reason to think they will not get into parliament.
        
        There is one other option, and that is you think people will electorate vote Nats and party vote labour to the extent that an overhang is created, but even then, im not sure voting ACT rather than Nats would have any impact on the overall right seat total.
        
        You can play with the seats calculator here
        
        https://elections.nz/stats-and-research/mmp-seat-allocation-calculator/
        
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        May 10, 2022 12:45pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Act is in parliament, National is in parliament, by voting either Act or National we ensure the a centre left Government rather than a far left clown 🤡 show.
        The more people vote Act the less left wing the resulting government will be. However the following election results need to be kept in mind also as Ruth Richardson found out.
        Vote splitting is when we get to thinking about Winstone first or the plethora of small parties and big egos that won’t work together. Pppp
        
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        May 10, 2022 1:53pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        1000 ✅ to H Upman’s comment. G from DUD needs to calm the farm. Seriously, it’s off putting all your blinkered rants. Luxon is as woke as they come. It’s obvious and I noted this before he was voted National’s leader from his days at Air NZ. Yes, to get rid of Labour we have no choice but to vote ACT or National. I am totally disappointed with Seymour. His stance on the mandates ruined it for me. But at this point I’ll be doing what I did last election. Party vote ACT, and National for local electorate. And not because they’re marvellous options (National’s Bayly is an arrogant pr*ck). But because we HAVE to get rid of this Labour mob or the country is f*cked. I WILL be leaving NZ if Labour are returned. 🥺
        
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        May 10, 2022 7:14pm
      - Batman
        
        As woke as they come?
        
        You’ve clearly never met either Luxon or someone extremely woke.
        
        Luxon is a fundamentalist Christian for Pete’s sake.
        
        The woke thing is just tantrums because he’s not a hardcore online conservative authoritarian.
        
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        May 10, 2022 7:33pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        “Luxon is a fundamentalist Christian for Pete’s sake.”
        So what? Being a Christian doesn’t make him Woke. Besides, even tho’ I disagree with some of his stances, I would much rather have him than a woke leftist atheist Wellingtonian like you.
        
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        May 10, 2022 7:55pm
- Colville
  
  Its called the center. Its where elections are won or lost and unless National controls it they will lose.
  
  I just want a strong ACT to push National around after they win the center!!
  
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  May 10, 2022 9:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Act need a mad dog MP in Parliament.
    Just like Mad Dog Prebble.
    
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    May 10, 2022 11:16am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He was called mad dog when in Labour
      
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      May 10, 2022 11:39am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes he was, then went to Act.
        
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        May 10, 2022 12:09pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That’s fine, but the fools on here thinking somehow ACT will be the top dog in ACT Nat government are utterly deluded
    
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    May 10, 2022 11:38am
    - Jack5
      
      Hell, C the giant, you are full of piss and vinegar today, but mostly vinegar.
      
      Douglas and Prebble were leaders of a great economic team for NZ.
      
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      May 10, 2022 12:23pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I am just sick of the idiocy around Nats, we will have either a Nat lead government with ACT, or a Labour lead with Greens and MP having power, my point is Nats have to be allowed to win as many electorates as possible, ACT can take party votes that’s fine, an electorate vote for ACT apart from Epson is a wasted vote
        
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        May 10, 2022 2:11pm
    - westernScientist
      
      they dont need to be the big dog, they just have to be there in a meaningful enough way that they can sway the Nats away from their most leftist leanings, and the Nats can use them as an excuse to justify any moves to the LoC swing voters (who went to the Nats) dont like. The same as labour do with the greens when in a coalition.
      
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      May 10, 2022 12:48pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes, but they will not win another electorate, two ticks yellow is what is splitting the vote, its a wasted electorate vote that will help Labour back in , its simply deluded to think a electorate vote for Act when they get 3rd or 4th in that electorate in stead of giving that to the Nats is just a wasted vote
        
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        May 10, 2022 8:47pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Not top dog, however if they get a significant share of the vote National won’t be able to steam roller over them with a woke agenda or play off the MP or Greens against them.
      
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      May 10, 2022 1:56pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    The idea is to pull the centre in your own party’s direction, not have the centre pull the party towards it.
    
    By definition, the centre doesn’t have any firm political values. The reason why the centre has gone so far to the left for 50 years (whereby holding the views of a mid-20th century conservative makes you a far right extremist) is because the left have pulled the centre to the left. None of their radical views were in any way popular until they made them popular (or at least, ostensibly popular). The trouble National have is that they don’t actually believe anything as a matter of principle, so they have nothing with which to pull the centre towards them. They are really political prostitutes who seem to exist to seek and maintain comfortable positions in the political milieu. They are passive and submissive followers, not leaders. The result is that they have to appeal to political agnostics who go whichever way the wind blows, and in so doing, they alienate right wing voters like myself. A degenerate mob rule ensues.
    
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    May 10, 2022 12:28pm
    - westernScientist
      
      spot on
      
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      May 10, 2022 12:49pm
    - wilderbeast
      
      Bang on. I’ve discovered, with the clarity provided by the covid situation, that conservatism doesn’t agree with me. It seems to stand for nothing. Or at least the National Party version does. I made this point on here and someone replied that I was wrong because National are actually socialists in disguise. I think we’re both right – Nationals conservatism CAUSES it to be socialist because the left has been successful in shifting the centre in their direction and National is scared to rock the boat. I agree there needs to be a strong counter movement, in its absence we will continue drifting into this nightmarish left wing social experiment. The same counter force needs to be applied to the public service. Without Douglas style restructuring and downsizing it will continue its relentless mission creep and ideological entrenchment. People say Douglas, Thatcher etc were too brutal in their reforms, but they will never know just how self serving and massive the public service would have become if they didn’t intervene. Observing at close quarters how rotten and self serving our public service has become in a benign environment I’ve concluded that periodic kicks in the butt are needed to keep them honest.
      
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      May 10, 2022 9:09pm
Frank the tank

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/government-likely-to-announce-congestion-charges-in-auckland/XBT6TQLVJHWARSLEHAOHU6KC7E/

We are seeing the Hallensteins sales assistant for the fascist little ideologue that he is. An odious little creep.

The current government hate cars and the freedom of movement they provide – this again is all about control and removing previous freedoms. An assault on the middle class who it appears they want to make financial refugees.
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May 10, 2022 8:13am
- Tom Hunter
  
  So they want to make the CBD even more of a shit hole than it is now.
  
  Excellent news for Newmarket and parts of Auckland farther afield. Given the massive development of Pokeno it’s about time that a giant mall area was planned for them.
  
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  May 10, 2022 10:47am
Swifty

Attention Maggy, and others interested in our history.

Here’s an interesting development on a current matter – that Te Papa’s wharenui, Te Hau-ki-Turanga, is stolen, that the theft caused and still causes great hurt and that all concerned are now negotiating the wharenui’s return to it’s ‘rightful owners’.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/128464831/future-of-stolen-wharenui-up-for-discussion-as-te-papa-exhibition-closes

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/09/the-story-behind-the-world-s-oldest-surviving-wharenui-at-te-papa.html

An elderly amateur-historian aunt wrote to me and others in our family yesterday:

“In “Papers Past” there is an article from the Evening Post on 31st July 1936 about Te Hau-ki-Turanga. Mr W J Phillipps of the Dominion Museum staff compiled the history of this wharenui which states that at a gathering with Maori on the East Coast, J Richmond asked if the Government could purchase the wharenui which was standing abandoned in the vicinity. All the meeting consented to the purchase, with one exception. £150 was paid from a ”military chest.” The House of Representatives afterwards voted £300 to satisfy further claims. Some of the building and carvings had decayed and were replaced by Jacob Heberley.

W J Phillipps was my mother’s cousin, and gave many lectures, radio talks and wrote books about Maori arts, handicrafts, tattoo designs, carvings and customs.

So, according to the W J Phillipps historical research, rather than “the stolen wharenui” descriptor, a better narrative would be “the abandoned wharenui sold by the local Maori.” Te Hau-ki-Turanga was carefully restored at the purchaser’s cost, and maintained, protected and publicly displayed for one and a half centuries to honour Maori culture, traditions and craftsmanship.”

So, according to this evidence, not stolen rather abandoned and willingly sold.

This, above, has also been sent as a letter to the Stuff editor and in response to Bronte Metekingi’s Stuff piece.

It will be interesting to see what transpires as a result, if anything.
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May 10, 2022 8:27am
- kowtow
  
  Plenty of examples where wokists simply apply the adjective “stolen” and viola you have a cause celebre to bash honkey / patriarchy .
  
  Assertion is evidence these days.
  
  Generation.
  Elgin Marbles
  Benin Bronze
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:54am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The local folk petitioned Parliament immediately for the return of the wharenui.
  
  https://translanth.hypotheses.org/ueber/turanga
  
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  May 10, 2022 9:23am
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks Maggy.
    
    Yes, it seems that some objected but many accepted.
    
    I wonder if that was before or after the 300 pounds was spent.
    
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    May 10, 2022 2:41pm
ClanMcleod

Here’s a video predicting dire outcomes from the covid circus. That is all about digital IDs. 2 years ago you’d have been possibly referred for psychiatric help for suggesting it was plausible. A year ago you’d be fact checked and lost many friends and family. Now? It’s looking like it’s coming to a country near you with increasing rapidity.
It’s an interesting concept. Have a watch. Save it somewhere, then revisit it in a year from now.

“The Pivotal Moment”

https://youtu.be/8TFKkbj01NQ
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May 10, 2022 8:31am
- mawm
  
  A year from now will be too late.
  
  Has anybody asked Jacinda where NZ stands or how far along the line we are to introduction? How about the blob or Seymour?
  
  “If only we had stood together against the common threat, we could easily have defeated it. So, why didn’t we?” He answered, “We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
  
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  May 10, 2022 10:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Thanks McLeod, that was well worth the 17 minutes, I have saved it. Might drop it on FB to see if they delete it or flag it Partly False.
  There was a TV program years ago that was similar to this. Max Headroom. TVs everywhere that you could not turn off. Continuous propaganda.
  As far as harvesting from the QR code, I never downloaded the app. When asked to sign in it was Donald Duck – Hollywood
  
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  May 10, 2022 11:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Turnkey Totalitarianism, good term.
    Google it.
    
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    May 10, 2022 11:49am
Debsta

Jesus Christ will someone please make the madness stop! I am losing faith that we will ever return to sharp analysis and clever solutions on anything. The optics/spin merchants have taken over and truth doesn’t seem to matter anymore. Its so relentless and depressing.
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May 10, 2022 8:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You can vote Socialism in, but you have to fight your way out. History shows this. How long before the Military are armed and control us? Venezuala, Cuba. First they came for your guns ………
  
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  May 10, 2022 11:48am
  - Debsta
    
    Its bigger than just left or right politics. Looking around the world it seems wokeness, victimhood, groupthink, spin over substance, killing the planet etc are now entrenched as part of the human condition. That’s why it is so bloody depressing.
    
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    May 10, 2022 1:45pm
cas

TV 3 reported a Reid Research question last night which was are Kiwis embarrassed by NZ’s climate action. 46% said yes, 42% said no.

As I suggested to my partner the question could have been taken either way – are you embarrassed because we are not doing enough or that we are doing too much. Shonky question that.
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May 10, 2022 8:33am
- kowtow
  
  All last week they were running climate catsatrophe stories .
  Now we see they commissioned a poll on same.
  
  All in the run up to the massive budget climate spend up.
  
  Independant media holding power to account , or actually the regime’s running mate.
  
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  May 10, 2022 12:37pm
- westernScientist
  
  Now they need to poll people and ask how much they are willing to spend of their own money on it.
  
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  May 10, 2022 12:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

$10,000 for Zero.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/the-ridiculous-amount-waka-kotahi-spent-on-two-big-red-prop-zeros/JTERVB37ASHRAHWY56CKJ52XI4/

Again showing how out of touch Labour is……or did one of their mates collect the payout?
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May 10, 2022 8:33am
- Frank the tank
  
  The hallensteins sales assistant is an odious little creep that will speed your taxpayers dollars on ideological dribble without thought or conscience.
  
  Wait till his announcement on congestion charges.
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:35am
  - Ehlana
    
    Frank, the trouble is your description matches so many. For the avoidance of doubt, which particular odious little creep are you thinking of this time?
    
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    May 10, 2022 1:25pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Michael “Rivers of filth” Wood
      
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      May 10, 2022 2:51pm
      - Ehlana
        
        Thanks. It’s hard to keep track.
        
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        May 10, 2022 3:18pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Five grand each for two zeroes might seem like small beer, but it all adds up, and it’s indicative of Labour’s attitude towards spending Other People’s Money. As my Dear Departed Dad used to say “Look after the pennies, and the pounds will look after themselves”.
  
  As for your latter comment Maggy, every government has “referred suppliers” 😉
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:47am
  - cmm
    
    It’s funny though, like with crime, how it’s sometimes the small things that get them caught.
    
    Many, if not most, people will get far more wound up over $10k than $150bn.
    
    People can’t relate to $150bn being pissed down a hole on CV19, or $500M being spent to do something with gangs. Hundreds of millions and billions are not amounts they can relate to. Billions don’t really exist in most people’s world.
    
    But $10k: that’s real money! That’s two or three month’s wages for many people. That’s a decent second-hand car. That’s groceries for 6 months.
    
    It is easy for people to think “the bastards took that money from us and made two stupid signs. I could have paid 5 months’ rent with that.”
    
    That is why picking your battles is important. Got to pick things that people can relate to and triggers the lizard brain.
    
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    May 10, 2022 10:04am
    - H. Upmann
      
      “That is why picking your battles is important.”
      Exactly cmm.
      It is a lesson Luxon needs to figure out very quickly and not get tied up in passing car issues such as diversity and promising a different pathway to fulfill some idiot fantasy that taxing people will change the climate.
      
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      May 10, 2022 10:21am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Sounds like he is learning quickly, he refused to answer going into the house about ACTs alternative budget, and the arrogance of Robertson telling the public Nats have to say what they think
        
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        May 10, 2022 2:41pm
    - zulumonster
      
      Yep – like $80 undies!
      
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      May 10, 2022 11:17am
- plc
  
  Another sensible target that is totally achievable by a government whose record of achievement is second to none/sarc
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:50am
- cmm
  
  This is how it would have worked:
  * Labour wants something to make a splash. They go to some advertising agency/image consultants: $10k please for the ideas, design and getting 2 made.
  
  Bargain, it’s only taxpayer money, proceed. Note for next time: that was easy, should have asked for $25k.
  
  * Marketing person sends a vague job spec to a plastic cutting place and pay them $1k each to make the items (costing them $150 in parts and labour). Note for next time: that was easy, should have stung them for $5k.
  
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  May 10, 2022 9:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ply is better, can even get them laser cut (very accurate)
    
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    May 10, 2022 12:00pm
    - Ehlana
      
      Of course, the local high school woodwork class (do they still have those?) could have made them too.
      
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      May 10, 2022 1:33pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yup, but the students would no be allowed to spray paint it – isocyanates and a downdraft spray booth
        
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        May 10, 2022 4:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I could make those two zeros for under $1000. Bit of 3mm plywood and a jigsaw. Spray heavy thick undercoat, block it back, and finish with a two pot urethane.
  Shit, I am an engineer, not a carpenter.
  
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  May 10, 2022 11:57am
Maggie Pie

Aa my partner’s mum said….. if you think the overgrown Berms in some of Aucklands less-affluent suburbs are an eyesore these days, imagine what it will look like if Faanana Efiso becomes mayor 🙁
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May 10, 2022 8:37am
- All_on_Red
  
  Your ‘Mum in Law’ is quite the racist
  
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  May 10, 2022 8:50am
  - Opie
    
    You say that like it’s a bad thing?
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:57am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    What a pathetic comment to make. You don’t even know her!
    As I understood it, she was meaning Efiso was more likely to spend ratepayers money in actually beautifying those suburbs.
    
    Get a grip!!
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:58am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Nah, both you and her (if you even exist) continually display casual racism proving that even in Remuera there is trailer trash.
      
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      May 10, 2022 9:13am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Just so you know, in the middle of an argument I usually remove my panties.
        
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        May 10, 2022 9:15am
      - Yabster
        
        casual racism?- been reading too much fuckin stuff mate- ffs
        
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        May 10, 2022 9:53am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Dunno why all the downticks, we know you are winding her up with a bit of sarc
        
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        May 10, 2022 12:03pm
      - kowtow
        
        Yep yabster , that tosh is censorship , cancel culture language.
        
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        May 10, 2022 12:38pm
  - Colville
    
    that word is spelt “realist”
    
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    May 10, 2022 9:02am
  - pdm
    
    Probably perceptive and accurate though AOR.
    
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    May 10, 2022 9:05am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, those unloved berms could be turned into community gardens. A gathering place for the bros. Could plant all kinds of good stuff.
  
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  May 10, 2022 11:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Been tried before. It gets stolen.
    
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    May 10, 2022 12:04pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Or has donuts done over it or cars parked on top of it.
      
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      May 10, 2022 1:46pm
- Observer of Life
  
  Well in our less-affluent suburb we the AKL rate payers pay for those berms and trees on berms to be looked after. Thanks AKL!
  
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  May 10, 2022 7:58pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/the-ridiculous-amount-waka-kotahi-spent-on-two-big-red-prop-zeros/JTERVB37ASHRAHWY56CKJ52XI4/

Government thinks they can achieve 0 road deaths by through marketing and do not need to spend any money on roads.

For a start, 0 road deaths is unachievable… some dopey labour muppet got a free trip to Sweden and bought home their vision 0 concept. How did Sweden do it? Better roads and policing.

How do we do it? TV adverts.
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May 10, 2022 8:42am
- Batman
  
  It is somewhat more complex than that, and involves a shitload of speed cameras
  
  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0925753517309013#:~:text=The%20Vision%20Zero%20policy%20was,be%20adapted%20to%20those%20requirements.
  
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  May 10, 2022 10:49am
- Prince
  
  Best Tweet of the day was a response to the Taxpayers’ Union tweet of the photo in this article of Michael Wood and Poto Williams, standing beside one of the giant two zeros.
  ‘What is that thing between the two giant zeros’.
  Priceless.
  
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  May 10, 2022 12:02pm
- Taieri
  
  How did Sweden do it? Better roads and policing.
  ———-
  
  Many years ago now, I drove from Stockholm to Norrkoping in the early hours of the morning (just after midnight). 4 lane highway all the way (about 150 km) of excellent quality. No speed cameras but plenty of police patrols, even though the traffic was pretty light.
  
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  May 10, 2022 12:22pm
- westernScientist
  
  Seams like the path they have chosen is dont do any road maintenance and charge a fortune to run cars, will work eventually.
  
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  May 10, 2022 12:55pm
cas

With all this talk about subsidised public transport or even free buses as Simon Wilson seems to be suggesting, what about those of us who live in areas where there is no/little public transport and you HAVE to use a car.
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May 10, 2022 8:53am
- Batman
  
  Better services to your area, one presumes.
  
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  May 10, 2022 10:47am
  - graham
    
    Pfft. That simply will not happen in my area, where the nearest bus stop is 20 km away.
    
    And I live in Auckland.
    
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    May 10, 2022 10:56am
    - Batman
      
      You could, bare with me here, get more bus stops?
      
      Better regional bus services or even, dare I suggest it, commuter rail.
      
      It’s not like we can sensibly suggest expressways to every inch of Auckland. We have to be somewhat balanced.
      
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      May 10, 2022 11:03am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Buses don’t have the flexibility needed to travel around Auckland.
        Only those for whom time is not an issue can use them.
        The rest of us, it just takes too long to get anyway.
        BTW I Ferry and do use the Train and Bus.
        
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        May 10, 2022 11:54am
      - Frank the tank
        
        Works in other countries. Take a trip to Orlando or Forth Worth and you’ll see what well planned out roading systems look like.
        
        The problem with a ‘balanced’ system is the unbalanced cost imposition.
        
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        May 10, 2022 11:55am
      - graham
        
        Oh don’t get me wrong, Batman – I don’t want a motorway any closer to my home than one currently is. Although the roads in my area (a semi-rural area in Rodney) are pretty poorly maintained, they are relatively quiet, which means no traffic jams or holdups until I get into the nearest town.
        
        My point is that, like cas, I live in an area where is no public transport. I don’t have a choice as to how many days a week I could use public transport, because there quite simply is none. I have to use a car.
        
        Sure, AT could put in more bus stops, but because of where I live I very much doubt they will. At a stretch, the absolute nearest I could envision AT possibly putting a bus stop in would be within 10 km of my home. Maybe. There is simply no way public transport will ever come closer to my home.
        
        And this is where I agree with your last sentence – we have to be somewhat balanced. There are people for whom public transport is readily and easily available, it is convenient, it works. Good for them. But there are also people like myself and cas who simply can not use public transport but the option isn’t there.
        
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        May 10, 2022 12:01pm
    - Countrygirl
      
      You guys are all so hung up on Auckland. 😉 Here in rural land, 6km out of a major city, there is no public transport. 40 years ago there was a bus that went to town in a Tuesday. That stopped years ago and we’ve had nothing since. So at the least we have to drive to the nearest suburb, put some money in the parking meter, catch the bus into the CBD and hope we can catch a bus back out before the meter runs out. To add insult to injury, some little s…to have frightened the bus drivers from stopping at the transport hub. Security is there, but toothless. And not only that, our rural road is way too narrow and dangerous to ride a bike to town.
      
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      May 10, 2022 12:57pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        And I bet you drive a gas guzzling ute. 😉
        
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        May 10, 2022 3:21pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      Well I’d have to drive 20mins east to then park up and catch a bus 20km to the south to get to work. I won’t even go into how many buses service that route at the times I’d need it. Well worth using public transport//.
      
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      May 10, 2022 8:02pm
  - westernScientist
    
    lol have you ever been out of a city?
    
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    May 10, 2022 12:56pm
    - Batman
      
      Of course. Spent plenty of time driving and living outside of cities.
      
      Of course plenty of places simply don’t have public transport.
      
      My point is that parts of outer Auckland should actually have it, despite the claims that it doesn’t work for every trip. It isn’t designed to. It is intended for a set of trips such as city commuting and shopping.
      
      Obviously if you’re going multiple places you use a car, and enjoy roads with less people on them!
      
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      May 10, 2022 5:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I live in Bayview/Glenfield and worked in Rosedale. (retired now) It would be 3 buses there and 3 buses home, just under 2 hours each way.
  Who is going to spend 4 hours a day traveling to do an 8 hour job?
  Driving takes about 15 minutes. The bus routing is pathetic.
  
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  May 10, 2022 12:18pm
- Ehlana
  
  I think the point of better public transport (and, for that matter, better footpaths and cycleways to go with it) is to get those who could use them doing so.
  That frees up road space for those who can’t – like people who live too far away from public transport, or work outside its hours, or commercial traffic like plumbers, couriers, and those big truck and trailer units full of whatever it is they’re hauling.
  
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  May 10, 2022 1:38pm
  - Debsta
    
    And that could work if done properly Ehlana. The question is do you trust politicians and bureacrats to do it properly?🤔
    
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    May 10, 2022 1:58pm
    - Ehlana
      
      To quote the reporter from Moscow this morning “The Kremlin requires us” to say that we stand by all the pronouncements of this government and have full faith in all its ministers.
      
      So, no.
      
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      May 10, 2022 3:21pm
Southern Raider

Just heard a radio ad for NZTA saying “road to zero needs more compliance and that costs more money, so we are putting up all the licence costs”

Just another cost of living increase due to ideology and no actual benefit
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May 10, 2022 8:58am
- Batman
  
  Since I just found this online… Sweden reduced deaths and major injuries by 60% in 13 years. That seems like a benefit.
  
  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0925753517309013#:~:text=The%20Vision%20Zero%20policy%20was,be%20adapted%20to%20those%20requirements.
  
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  May 10, 2022 10:55am
  - Frank the tank
    
    “It should be noted though, that few studies show a direct cause-and-effect between the Vision Zero policy as a whole and the positive development, but there are studies indicating such a connection (c.f Strandroth, 2015).”
    
    Sounds like a Jacinda covid argument Bat………
    
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    May 10, 2022 11:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sort of word soup waffle you mean?
      
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      May 10, 2022 12:30pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Mission creep on an idea that was dumb to start with
  
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  May 11, 2022 9:06am
grumpy

Big question… did we pay for this garbage? Seems the sort of thing this government would waste our dollars on… https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10796977/Prince-Harry-shares-glimpse-bare-Californian-chic-study.html.
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May 10, 2022 8:59am
- Yvette
  
  Grumpy, from your link –
  … a bizarre five-minute clip shared on the YouTube page of the duke’s non-profit company Travalyst today, which shows the Queen’s grandson going for a jog through ‘New Zealand woodland’ – but which is actually in California.
  He is then ambushed by ‘rating agent’ Rhys Darby, who accuses him of dropping a lolly wrapper four years earlier on a trip to New Zealand.
  The video, which also features Kiwi actors David Fane and Rena Owen, launches the first-ever initiative launched in New Zealand for the British prince’s non-profit Travalyst organisation, founded in 2019, in which holidaymakers, rather than holidays, are rated for how sustainable they are. Kiwis now have access to a rating tool on the Travalyst website as part of a pilot initiative encouraging travellers to consider sustainable options during planning for their next trip.
  
  The video –
  Prince Harry runs into Aotearoa New Zealand Trip Raters. How would your holiday rate you?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_sUwhZhTTY&list=TLGGOmDavfSuIHkwOTA1MjAyMg
  
  New Zealand has taken centre stage as Prince Harry launched a new campaign bringing sustainable travel into the mainstream, guided by “kaitiaki values”.
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/05/09/nz-centre-stage-as-prince-harry-announces-new-sustainable-travel-campaign/
  
  The Crown (literally) still indulging in cultural misappropriation
  Rhys Darby, David Fane and Rena Owen should share the shame and cringe
  
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  May 10, 2022 9:41am
  - Frank the tank
    
    How does Harry propose to sustainably travel to New Zimbabwe – on a bicycle. FFS.
    
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    May 10, 2022 12:01pm
  - Ehlana
    
    I don’t get how this can possibly work. If I see a tourist behaving badly I’m supposed to go up to them, ask them ever so nicely for their personal details, then post a negative review?
    
    Why would they co-operate?
    
    And so what if they get a negative rating? What difference will it make?
    
    I’ll be happy to take Prince Harry seriously on travel and the environment – when I’ve had as much opportunity for overseas travel, especially at other people’s expense, as he has.
    
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    May 10, 2022 1:41pm
    - Yvette
      
      Ehlana, of course you are right – How is this rubbish enforced?
      
      Will Immigration at a future date refuse Prince Harry entry saying “ We have a video shot in California where you were informed that we made up a scenario that you littered lolly-wrappers in New Zealand in a 2018 visit. Sorry, you are a victim of your own lame campaign”?
      
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      May 10, 2022 2:07pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Who is “we” and in what way do you think “we” might have paid for this?
  
  NZ taxpayers don’t collectively pay anything either to Prince Harry or to the Daily Mail. If you choose to go and look at Mail articles about anything, or articles from any media publisher about Prince Harry, and thus encourage the production of more of the same – that’s on you, nobody else.
  
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  May 10, 2022 10:09am
Over40SingleMan

Has anyone else endured the latest vomit inducing vanity project of Prince Harry.
This dimwitted hypocritical fool is now promoting eco guilt travel.
Woke Kiwis are wetting themselves with excitement over being associated with a project that discourages travel to far-flung countries such as New Zealand. Obviously a tourism industry on its knees after massive government overreach desperately needs LESS tourists.
The Real kicker is this project was announced on Māori Television.
Not content with vandalising New Zealand’s tourism industry, there appears to be a strong side project of promoting childish Māori wonderfulness along with renaming NZ.
Watch the awful video promotion if you dare that was appropriating New Zealand while being shot in California!
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May 10, 2022 9:08am
Maggie Pie

A bestie retweets…

In Iran, if a 12 year-old girl is raped and impregnated by her father, she must carry the baby to term, or be thrown in prison. Wait, sorry, no. That’s in Alabama.

https://twitter.com/JoJoFromJerz/status/1523472149389791233
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May 10, 2022 9:33am
- Frank the tank
  
  Or drive to Colorado……
  
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  May 10, 2022 9:47am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Well Maggie, if the majority in Alabama want that, they will vote for the Governor and his people that propose it. If they don’t, they will kick the Governor and his people out at first opportunity. And funnily enough, women get to vote. It’s called democracy.
  The law has been in place since 2019, but is incumbent on Roe being overturned. And the Governor who passed the legislation won 60% of the vote in 2018 (next election is 2022). So guess what?
  
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  May 10, 2022 10:06am
  - Batman
    
    Now, let’s talk about gerrymandered districts causing a swing towards the fringe base of the parties and that influencing governors who need to maintain power.
    
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    May 10, 2022 10:58am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Like in New York?
      Lol
      
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      May 10, 2022 11:30am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Seriously Bat are you arguing that Alabama is a blue state in waiting?
      
      It’s the second most red state in the US after West Virginia.
      
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      May 10, 2022 12:04pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You know that Batman will not answer, he is trolling!!!!
        
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        May 10, 2022 4:49pm
      - Batman
        
        No I’ll happily answer.
        
        My comment should not be taken as a refer to to New York, as per AoRs trolly reply, or to infer that Alabama is a blue state in waiting.
        
        Gerrymandering has meant that primary voters, themselves a small subset of all voters, i.e. the most committed and motivated party activists, have outsized power when it comes to launching primary challenges. Because the general races themselves are not competitive due to gerrymandering, you get a negative effect whereby the main motivator is pleasing the hardcore base instead of the general electorate (because you don’t need to).
        
        Hence you get people like AOC, Madison Cawthorn, MTG etc. They’re all products of primary challenges from the fringes in gerrymandered districts.
        
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        May 10, 2022 5:56pm
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Let’s talk about the gerrymandering of the entire United States that is the mass influx of illegal immigrants that has occurred for decades, helping cause a swing towards the fringe of the Democrat party. Seemingly endless billions of dollars available to defend foreign borders, but very little towards defending the domestic borders.
      
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      May 10, 2022 12:39pm
      - MCōs
        
        Illegal immigrants can’t vote because they’re not citizens by definition.
        
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        May 10, 2022 2:29pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Then why are they brought into the country illegally by the Democrat party and/or globalists? It’s not only so they can live on the taxpayer dime. Of course they vote, this is an open secret. They are also technically not supposed to be eligible for taxpayer-funded assistance, but they receive it in spades nonetheless. The reason for their being encouraged into the country is to transform both the demographics and the electorate at the expense of the present White majority in the US in the long term, and to provide cheap labour for various political lobby groups in the short term. The policies are so unpopular and destructive, so a new voter base is needed. The illegals aren’t being brought in out if altruism.
        
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        May 10, 2022 2:50pm
      - Batman
        
        Because you’re insane, Kea/Man in the ruins/rodion. That’s why.
        
        They’re not brought in by anyone except themselves, they risk their lives for a better chance with the American dream.
        
        It’s a ringing endorsement of freedom and capitalism. It’s just a shame that US immigration policy is broken and doesn’t allow the system to function in a rational way.
        
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        May 10, 2022 5:59pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        First, I have never called myself “Kea.” Besides, pointing out that I have used several previous pseudonyms is not an argument, no matter how much you wish it was. You seem hung up on this point.
        
        Second, I don’t care if they come to America for a better life. How is that anything to do with the American people? If we are concerned about better lives, then Americans would probably have better lives if illegal peasants weren’t flooding into their country. If I want a better house, can I just come onto someone else’s property and move in? I wouldn’t have thought so. At the very least I’d have to ask, and I would fully expect to be declined (it’s not my house, after all).
        
        Third, they arrive at the border and are waved in, prior to being let loose, or bussed or flown to various destinations around America – if that isn’t being “brought in” then I don’t know what is.
        
        Fourth, “it’s a ringing endorsement of freedom and capitalism”. No, it’s a ringing endorsement of encouraging flagrant illegality. Can’t they stay in their own countries and develop freedom and capitalism? No they obviously can’t. They’ve shown that they are relatively incapable of doing so, otherwise they wouldn’t have to move to the US to benefit from that country’s legacy.
        
        All of these are very good grounds for concluding that, rather than my well-thought out case, your inept “feel good” endorsement of illegal third world immigration is what is “insane.”
        
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        May 10, 2022 8:12pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Ivey is late 70’s Batman, she ain’t going to keep power for much longer. And on gerrymandering, surprisingly, I agree with you. But I guess it happens in a tit for tat environment. If you don’t tat, you lose. Possibly forever. What’s the solution in the current situation?
      
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      May 10, 2022 1:50pm
      - Batman
        
        Hey Vino, I think the answer is a proper distracting law which mandates nonpartisan distracting commissions in every state, and prohibits the kind of stuff we see where Governors draw maps and eliminate entire districts.
        
        Constitutional purists will twist their knickers over it but the reality is that the democratic function will cease to work unless gerrymandering is eliminated.
        
        At least with commissions you can preserve each state drawing its own districts. They will just have to ‘colour within the lines rather than draw some of the insane districts we see currently
        
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        May 10, 2022 6:03pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Sorry Batman, I dont have an option to reply to you for some reason. Don’t you think that finding anyone in the States right now that is not polarised to some degree will be difficult? Finding non-partisan people I reckon will be nearly impossible. Look what has happened with SCOTUS.
        Unless these clowns can get round a table and talk with each other, get shot of the hard ends of their spectrums, there will be no solution as far as I can see.
        
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        May 10, 2022 9:03pm
- graham
  
  Err, really? My understanding is that abortion is legal in Alabama up to 20 weeks, but has quite heavy restrictions.
  
  https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/state-facts-about-abortion-alabama
  
  Possibly your “bestie” is jumping the gun a little and tweeting about what the situation will be if Roe v Wade is overturned.
  
  https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2022/05/03/what-happens-in-alabama-al-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/9631589002/
  
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  May 10, 2022 10:55am
  - Local Miller
    
    And this Montgomery Advertiser article is also just an opinion piece.
    
    Most people are totally losing their s#!t over the possible Roe vs Wade decision. All this decision does is rule that abortion is not a constitutional right and the Federal Government can’t force the states to have pro-abortion legislation. In reality most states will probably see very little change in their abortion legislation except possibly some restrictions on the more radical, late term abortion laws more recently implemented.
    As a Federal Republic the USA constitution allows that any subject that isn’t defined as under the purview of the Federal Government is by default the responsibility of the State. Roe vs Wade essentially forced states to submit to the Whitehouse in a matter that was never the responsibility of the Fed to enforce, and that many in the US still believe should be the right of individual states to legislate on. The latest opinion piece essentially gives this right back to the states.
    
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    May 10, 2022 11:50am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It is political. They lose their shit every Election.
      
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      May 10, 2022 12:35pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    There was a law put in place in 2019 Graham, that codifies abortion being illegal, (with very few exceptions, Maggie being correct that incest is not one of them) but it is only triggered on the overturn of Roe.
    
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    May 10, 2022 1:52pm
- Local Miller
  
  This is actually BS. The law specifically allows for abortion for minors, and even allows the youth court to approve the abortion without notifying the parents if they feel it’s in the best interests of the child.
  
  MP, you really need to do some research before you repost some of the emotive, anti conservatives s#!t that get’s posted on Twitter.
  
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  May 10, 2022 11:39am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I’d put my money on Jo knowing what she’s talking about before some old coot who would likely deny a woman her right to choose.
    
    If it was me… I’d be high-tailing out of Talabama yesterday.
    
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    May 10, 2022 12:07pm
    - graham
      
      Fine. Let’s see “Jo” put up the evidence to support her position then.
      
      Because as far as I can see, she has not supplied any supporting evidence at all.
      
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      May 10, 2022 12:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Jo won’t like Europe
        Most Countries it’s 12 weeks
        ‘Maher said among the “pretty basic things” that did not know but learned since Justice Samuel Alito’s majority draft opinion hit the front pages was that “the modern countries of Europe (are) way more restrictive than we are.”
        
        “If you are pro-choice, you’d like it a lot less in Germany, Italy, France, Spain, and Switzerland,” Maher said. Maher also confessed that he learned most pro-life advocates are women’
        https://www.tampafp.com/bill-maher-admits-he-didnt-know-something-concerning-abortion/
        
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        May 10, 2022 1:40pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      There were plenty of women squealing about their right to choose what happens to THEIR body Maggie, that weren’t so happy about women that thought they had the right to choose whether they had a vaccine injected into THEIR body.
      
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      May 10, 2022 1:55pm
      - kowtow
        
        Lots of ’em screeching about not allowing protests outside their “safe spaces”.
        
        Then they turn up o/s judges houses and churches making total cnuts of themselves.
        
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        May 10, 2022 3:24pm
      - Batman
        
        If only there was some sort of difference between people undergoing a traumatic procedure that is an incredibly hard decision, versus a lifetime appointment judge undertaking judicial activism from the comfort of their chambers.
        
        That said, I don’t support protests outside any private house. Whether MAGA people or liberals. The exception is the White House or Premier House!
        
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        May 10, 2022 4:33pm
Barnsley Bill

Nice to have Plunket back on air.
The first media person to clearly articulate the point that Simon henry “fluffed” about the MFB HEIST.
287 million trousered by the founders at launch
Founders now hold less than 1 percent of shares
Fools buying at IPO have lost half their money
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May 10, 2022 9:52am
- alex Masterley
  
  Good to see comment about the meat of what Henry said instead of the (stupid) way he said it.
  
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  May 10, 2022 12:03pm
- curry4me
  
  Yes, The Platform is excellent. I like the sound of Sean’s voice.
  
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  May 10, 2022 3:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dan Bongino.
https://rumble.com/v13z92f-dan-bongino-the-biden-admin-has-identified-us-as-the-enemy.html?
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May 10, 2022 9:53am
Maggie Pie

Now we see that Elon Musk is saying he could actually create a better platform than Twitter for under a billion dollars.

Lots of speculation that the deal to buy Twitter may not go through.

Watch this space.
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May 10, 2022 10:04am
- cmm
  
  The value in these companies is not in the code. It is the eyeballs that belong to it.
  
  The farm animals can’t believe it. The farmer gives them all this FREE food. They don’t have to walk miles in hope of finding 3 blades of grass to stave off starvation. Nope, the farmer just brings them heaps of nice FREE food. How great is that?
  
  Then one day the truck comes and takes them to visit the guys with the white gumboots.
  
  All those FREE internet things are similar. Twitter is not the product. You are the product that Twitter sells to advertisers etc. The FREE service is basically the stock food.
  
  The value is not in the code. The value is in the livestock that Twitter “owns”.
  
  I am sure the Twitter code could be developed for way less than a billion. Getting people to switch from Twitter to Musker is quite a different matter.
  
  If you’re willing to spend $40bn on the exercise, as Kusk is, you could:
  * Spend $1bn on the code.
  * Somehow pay the top 10,000 Twitter celebs an average of $1M each to switch = $10bn.
  Come out $29bn ahead.
  
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  May 10, 2022 10:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who knows what he will do. Many surprises.
  Buy Twitter, shut it down to get rid of the rabid cancel culture. Start a new platform and keep the cancel culture out.
  
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  May 10, 2022 12:39pm
103PapPap

Why doesn’t Luxon say to Seymour “You pull your ACT nominee from Tauranga, otherwise we’re contesting Epsom”
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May 10, 2022 10:05am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Agreed, ACT really think they can win, they haven’t got a clue, if NZF stands they may well split the vote, not sure I have heard if the greens will stand a candidate
  
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  May 10, 2022 11:14am
- zulumonster
  
  Because if National can’t win Tauranga without ACT accommodating them then there is no hope for them in next years GE. And if that is the case we are truly f@$#d …
  
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  May 10, 2022 11:24am
- Ra Henare
  
  Maybe because they have a better undertsanding of poltics of a BY ELECTION.
  The real deal is next year.
  Consider.
  National Wins Tauranga-yawn-expected
  ACT Wins Tauranga- Big news and serious policy thinking from Nats and Labs.
  Lab win-Labs celebrate-others refer to split vote.
  So no big hurrah for labour.
  
  Just saying.
  5 will get you 10 that Lab candidate will get less votes than last time.
  
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  May 10, 2022 11:57am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Labour will be smashed in the by-election, Greens i dont think have a candidate, meaning that will possibly see more votes going to Labour than usual, Act have not got a shit show of winning Tauranga, and when you look at the Nat candidate, he is possible on paper one of the best candidates to come to an election for some time, he looks like a brilliant possibility to be a minister, if Peters stands , and Act and all those other fringe fools, and the Greens leave the only left party as Labour , it is quite possible the vote will be split , why the hell would anyone waste their vote on Act when they cant win but Labour could
    
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    May 10, 2022 2:51pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      From Dunedin. I am guessing you dont live in Tauranga.
      Electing a LOCAL Mp is important to many.
      The National candidate(who I dont know) is a recent arrival-some say only 18 months here…
      The ACT candidate is a LOCAL….
      
      It will be interesting to see how it goes(I live in the Tauranga electorate)
      
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      May 10, 2022 4:03pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I dont give a shit about the ACT candidate, he has not got a shit show, FFS the Nat candidate was working over seas, he returned home , it could be said he would not come from any city after living over seas for years, good luck with your wasted vote
        
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        May 10, 2022 8:54pm
- MCōs
  
  I’m picking National will win in a landslide with ACT having little influence on the result.
  Winston may have another crack, particularly after the windfall publicity surrounding his short lived trespassing from the grounds of parliament. Another week of front page coverage and he would have been a front runner.
  
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  May 10, 2022 2:21pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They should on paper, but ACT vote is still wasted
    
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    May 10, 2022 2:52pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You will note that unlike the Northland by-election that there has not been one poll out , thats a clear sign that Labour have no show, so you could well be right about landslide, many grumpy Labour voters will not vote, and back to the Northland polls , they were out every second day, but as yet, not one has come forward
    
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    May 10, 2022 8:57pm
Surely Knott

The latest virtue signalling trend is 100% plastic coats marketed as “animal free” and “recycled” and “duck friendly”. The NZ designer kids store is selling puffer jackets filled with recycled plastic bottles as an alternative to duck down. Overseas “save the duck coats” are winning environmental awards! If only there was some warm sustainable product that came from the animals without harming them and that they could keep growing year after year. Something that could biodegrade into the earth afterwards. Hmmmmm lets call it wool or mohair. Glass bottles and wool jackets are worthy of virtue. Plastic puffers not so much in my view.
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May 10, 2022 10:20am
bythesea

An interesting video from The Platform
Ani O’Brien talks with Jonathan Ayling – Free Speech Union
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrkBljLXteM
They discuss the attempt to have debates at the universities over the last few weeks
AUT cancelled the talk
Massey had a big security overreaction for Don Brash

Good call out for Curia research – well done DPF
https://www.fsu.nz/academic_freedom_poll_results
KB article: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/05/academic_freedom_in_new_zealand_isnt_healthy.html
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May 10, 2022 10:43am
Prince

Ya gotta laugh.
‘Prince’ Harry (the fake Prince, not your author), says Maori culture inherently understands the practice of sustainability.
Tell that to the paua around Makara coast, if there are any left.
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May 10, 2022 12:16pm
- Swifty
  
  What a joke.
  
  That assertion about sustainability flies in the face of all the evidence.
  
  It is a modern lie. Made up to serve current political expediencies.
  
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  May 10, 2022 2:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gloriavale uses forced child labour

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128591968/childrens-work-not-chores-gloriavale-leavers-win-employment-court-case

How the Hell has this shocking state of affairs been allowed to drag on for so many years?
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May 10, 2022 12:19pm
- Jack5
  
  The Gloriavale kids have been left with weird names.
  
  A cross between those of the crew of the Bounty and characters of Bunyan’s Pilgrims Progress.
  
  Surely, with their background of hard slog, the Gloriavale kids would make good workers in many occupations.
  
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  May 10, 2022 12:33pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Perhaps, but equally when they get out of that environment (and change their names), they may act in an opposite manner and refuse to take orders, while they enjoy their new-found freedom.
    
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    May 10, 2022 12:38pm
    - MCōs
      
      I read an article about a chap who got away from Gloriavale.
      He had such a bad attitude towards women he was just about unemployable.
      
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      May 10, 2022 2:00pm
      - MCōs
        
        To continue
        He was basically brainwashed at Gloriavale to believe blokes were superior to women.
        Seems to be prevalent in hardcore religious based cults, or is it cult based religions or niche cults based on mainstream religions.
        
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        May 10, 2022 5:25pm
    - H. Upmann
      
      Indeed Tony. Extremes lead to extremes.
      I lived in Utah for a few months in the 80’s and I would see more Goth-types (ex-Mormon) with numerous piercings, tattoos and so forth on any day than in New York where I had previously been living.
      
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      May 10, 2022 2:33pm
      - greybeard
        
        Some ex-Mormons use coke.
        
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        May 10, 2022 4:03pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING NOW…

Fab to hear KDC’s business partners have finally been able to strike a deal with the government, that will allow them to remain in the country.

That just leaves Kim now. As my partner said, he can think of a lot worse pr*cks Jacinda has granted residency to.

Good luck from all of us Kim…it’s been a long battle against the bureaucracy!!
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May 10, 2022 12:57pm
- RoboRob
  
  Got to disagree with you on that one, I would love to see Kim gone.
  
  Regardless of your views on the man himself, it is a travesty that a case like this has taken > 10yrs to decide and is real proof that the legal system has massively different outcomes if you are rich.
  
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  May 10, 2022 1:11pm
  - surfing
    
    I don’t think they should have admitted him in the first instance.
    
    However, now that they did, I don’t want the US to get their hands on him. In some ways the US has a very backward and draconian legal system. And, they use their size to bully smaller nations.
    
    I don’t really think Dotcom has done all that much wrong with respect to megaupload. Megaupload would eventually have evolved into what “Mega” is today. Do we hold the original youtube developers criminally responsible for the masses of illegal content that they have hosted over the years?
    
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    May 10, 2022 3:36pm
    - Batman
      
      Mega is well known for being entirely lax with enforcement of laws and standards.
      
      Hence why it is a pirating and child abuse content hub.
      
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      May 10, 2022 4:30pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Agreed re America & their supermax prisons. KDC really got up their noses. He’s an arsehole & a freeloader on NZ but I wouldn’t wish American justice on him.
      
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      May 10, 2022 9:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Willie Jackson says David Seymour is a useless Maori.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/willie-jackson-slams-david-seymour-as-a-useless-maori/RD73EV5TEQNN4HE6M7FOUW4U44/

Perhaps Labour has a list of other “useless” Maori.

Perhaps Labour is working on a solution for “useless” Maori.
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May 10, 2022 1:39pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  ‘Casual Racism’ from Willie
  
  Proof that even in Mangere there’s…. Trailer Trash.
  
  LOL!!
  
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  May 10, 2022 1:45pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    I’m sure you find that Steamboat Willy lives in your neck of the woods. Perhaps he is even a member of the Tennis Club?
    
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    May 10, 2022 2:56pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Last we saw on FB, Willie had bought David Lange’s big old villa @Mangere Bridge. CV in the millions now. Beautiful big pillared gates…. made us quite enviuos. And a boy at Kings apparently. If it wasn’t for the postcode, he and his wife would be welcome as members of the club.
      
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      May 10, 2022 3:46pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        He’s done well for himself.
        
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        May 10, 2022 3:58pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I thought Langes ex wife or his mother lived there , in fact a mate of mine from Mangere bridge which is just around the corner said as much last year when i was up there
        
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        May 10, 2022 9:00pm
- westernScientist
  
  All the ones that are not directly related to Mahuta and Jackson perhaps?
  
  As an aside, do you see escalating conflict (like lawsuits etc) between the tribes that are on the “in” and those that are on the “out”? I cant really see that the likes of Mahuta and Jackson are going to share their power with tribes outside of their favoured few. When the various forms of co-governance scams only benefit a tinny few will the rest start to get very angry at missing out?
  
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  May 10, 2022 1:48pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Thats already happening in Auckland with various Iwi challenging Ngati Whatu about its assertion of dominance over the Auckland area.
    There have already been a number of court cases on the subject.
    
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    May 10, 2022 4:00pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    “a tinny few”. Is that a Freudian error?
    
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    May 10, 2022 4:16pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Why does Willie Jackson still get air time considering his attitude to any human in general – 2 words – Roast Busters – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/roast-busters-radio-show-hosts-victim-blaming/G4LB3ONXZULHE5TLOSIHZF7CTM/
  
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  May 10, 2022 3:50pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes , and he said on air he would kill his wife if he found out she had cheated on her , perhaps little Willie is a danger to society
    
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    May 10, 2022 9:02pm
Niz

Willie ‘co-governance won’t be that bad’ Jackson.
I’ll stick with David, thanks. (Meant as a reply to MW’s post, but I think I mucked it up).
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May 10, 2022 1:49pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Bwhahahahahaha, Little Willie said trust him Bwhahahahahaha
  
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  May 10, 2022 9:03pm
Swifty

Hipkins explains why growth in the public service is a good thing…………but not nearly as good a thing as it is for the NZ Labour Party, eh Chris?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/chris-hipkins-growth-in-the-public-service-is-a-good-thing/GNCCN7C7I2Q6YI2KY3HFSGCSXQ/

Paywalled.
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May 10, 2022 2:03pm
- MCōs
  
  The National Government in the 70/80s used a padded out public service as a means of soaking up the unemployed.
  The state service ballooned out to 1/3 of the work force. These days it’s about half that.
  
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  May 10, 2022 5:59pm
  - Swifty
    
    Wrong then and wrong now.
    
    Leaving a grand or two annually, or preferably more, in the pockets of poor NZ families will deliver more benefit to them than anything those Ministries could ever do.
    
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    May 10, 2022 6:33pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      The good thing about it is that using a tax cut to leave a grand or two in the pockets of the poor will leave much more than that in the pockets of the non-poor. They of course deserve it …..
      
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      May 10, 2022 6:49pm
      - Swifty
        
        An inevitable consequence Ian of a progressive tax system; the system so lauded by the left.
        
        As far as I’m concerned though, if I was National I’d be thinking of ways to ensure the lot went to low income families to sheet home to them how expensive it is having a bloated civil service with such reach and depth.
        
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        May 10, 2022 6:56pm
  - westernScientist
    
    and look at what had to happen to fix the problems that caused. Its also more convoluted than it used to be, for example the old DSIR is now a conglomeration of CRIs which I doubt count as public service, and to be fair some should be, and some shouldn’t. The same could be said for the New Zealand Electricity Department which is now a conglomeration of full or part state owned enterprises etc. and again some parts should be considered state service and some shouldnt.
    
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    May 10, 2022 6:35pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Just another 2 billion wasted money a year
  
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  May 10, 2022 9:04pm
Nickc2

Ukranian President Zelensky strikes a deal with Joe Biden. The big guy’s shitting himself (humour (or is it))?
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/05/10-for-the-big-guy.html
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May 10, 2022 2:15pm
Tauhei Notts

I have spent the time to watch a new movie named 2000 Mules.
The lesson from that movie is that we MUST NEVER ever allow postal voting for general elections.
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May 10, 2022 2:49pm
- Batman
  
  Ahhh yes, the latest attempt to manufacture a scandal from nothing.
  
  I notice that a few minutes after promoting the documentary, OAN played its prepared statement confirming that there was not electoral fraud in Georgia as part of its legal settlement with Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss.
  
  2000 Mules is completely made up rubbish, designed for people to cough up more cash I expect.
  
  We have had postal votes for decades buddy. No issues ever.
  
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  May 10, 2022 6:11pm
  - Swifty
    
    Not true Batman.
    
    Do you forget Daljit Singh and his band of election fraudsters and cheats?
    
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    May 10, 2022 6:30pm
Swifty

Of all the mind-numbing stupidity……

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/466788/consumer-nz-launches-petition-for-state-owned-wholesaler

I am without words.

What a pity. Consumer NZ used to be good but I see it too has moved over to the dark side.
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May 10, 2022 2:57pm
- H. Upmann
  
  I cancelled my Consumer subscription a few years ago.
  They called me to ask why and got very screechy when I said they had become corrupt by accepting and encouraging sponsorship and that they had become left-wing political. I was very pleasant.
  
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  May 10, 2022 6:04pm
  - Swifty
    
    The end of an era.
    
    Again, what a pity. Why couldn’t they just stick to their knitting.
    
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    May 10, 2022 6:28pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Who owns them? Most of those magazines have a gigantic company with a big portfolio of products in behind. Might be one of the hand out brigade?
  
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  May 11, 2022 9:08am
Maggie Pie

Heard those 2 wokesters on ZB earlier raving on about ‘congestion-charging’.

Sent them a txt but they didn’t even read it out!

All I said was….’If this means getting all those old smoke-blowing shitters off the road I’m all for it’

Honestly, they really are a couple of woke plonkers 🙁
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May 10, 2022 3:13pm
Harry Knuts

It seems the Philippines have either short term memory or they are just very forgiving people. Ohh dear… https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/300584725/ferdinand-bongbong-marcos-wins-philippine-presidency-unofficial-count-shows
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May 10, 2022 3:51pm
kevn

@Maggie… EV’s might finally have to cough up… something.
May not come to pass of course.
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May 10, 2022 3:56pm
Maggie Pie

UK HEADLINE!

New Zealander’s desperate to leave as thousands flee a ‘controlling and fearful’ Jacinda Ardern.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1523675806203281409
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May 10, 2022 4:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Being Maori is a damn sight more complicated than you would think.

It appears David Seymour (Ngapuhi) is more of a non-Māori who happens to be Māori. He’s a Pākehā who happens to be Māori,

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/05/david-seymour-responds-to-willie-jackson-s-attack-as-more-mps-pile-in-on-disgrace-act-leader.html
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May 10, 2022 4:18pm
- Swifty
  
  “If you don’t vote for me then you ain’t black….”
  
  Absolutely vile.
  
  Davidson, Jackson, Ngarewa-Packer, Waititi etc just don’t understand how poisonous and twisted they have become.
  
  They believe they alone speak for Maori, that all Maori think the same way, that they alone know what all Maori think but worst of all – that if you don’t think like them then you ain’t Maori and they will curse you with vile insults.
  
  What loathsome behaviour.
  
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  May 10, 2022 4:43pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes,
    It is loathsome and dangerous.
    
    I wonder if Karen Chhour is Maori enough for them…
    or how about Nicole Mckee?
    
    Have Labour/Greens/Maori Party drawn up a chart that identifies which folks are Maori enough for them?
    
    Are they willing to make it public, so we all can tell if our mokopuna and cuzzies are Maori enough or are just pakehas with Maori fathers/mothers?
    
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    May 10, 2022 5:50pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And see what ‘Steamboat Willie’ has stirred up
  with his casual racism?
  
  Now we’ve got another ‘useless Maori’ stirring up sh*t and calling the MP-for-Remuera…..a Wanker!
  
  https://twitter.com/tauhenare/status/1523863404464992256
  
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  May 10, 2022 5:25pm
  - Swifty
    
    Why does Henare debase himself in this way?
    
    I just don’t get it.
    
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    May 10, 2022 6:26pm
- Swifty
  
  Slick Willie calls Seymour “a useless Maori”.
  
  The NZ Labour Party have been in existence since 1916, 106 years, and after thousands of promises from Labour MPs in that time some Maori are still laggards on the social indices.
  
  But just as importantly Labour has been in charge 14 of the last 23 years!
  
  What have they been doing all this time?
  
  Who’s the useless one Willie?
  
  The NZ Labour Party: useless to Maori since 1916!!!
  
  (Except the Maori-elite of course, like Jackson, they’ve become enormously rich out of it thank you very much.)
  
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  May 10, 2022 6:25pm
greybeard

Willie Jackson.
A Maori who hates Europeans.
A Maori who hates Europeans but still goes by the name of Willie Jackson, a name containing the letters L, J, C and S which are not represented by any sounds in the acknowledged Maori language.
What a hypocrite.
I don’t know why any radio or TV stations give him the time of day.
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May 10, 2022 6:00pm
- kowtow
  
  I won’t hold my breath waiting for some churnalist to ask Be Kind Jax whether the race batier should apologise.
  
  She jumps into plenty of other wokery issues . latest being Euro fluff.
  
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  May 10, 2022 6:39pm
- westernScientist
  
  or is Willie Jackson a european who hates maori? mainly all of the ones who are not his chosen few.
  
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  May 10, 2022 6:46pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Are we talking about Roastbuster Willie here?
  
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  May 10, 2022 9:39pm
westernScientist

The appropriate way to respond:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300584752/head-of-real-estate-agency-spoofed-in-online-billboards-says-they-are-hilarious
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May 10, 2022 6:52pm
NK

Fourth jab on the way for the stupid, naive and gullible: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/05/covid-19-government-makes-strongest-hint-yet-at-fourth-vaccine-dose.html
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May 10, 2022 10:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Willie Jackson is attacking David Seymour because Seymour tries to make out every single person have (sic) the same right,

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/466863/jackson-defends-calling-seymour-a-useless-maori

I wonder if the rest of the Labour Party think it is wrong for all people to have the same rights.
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