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krazykiwi

Much has been written about the FDA’s role in accelerating the adoption of Covid-19 ‘vaccines’ (a term I apply loosely) under the guise of some sort of histrionically declared emergency. In truth most of the FDA’s heavy lifting is done by its Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC). This committee has no standing members, and the FDA can, and do appoint anyone they choose to the committee for any given meeting.

In 2021 the VRBPAC held seven meetings, generally giving several months notice of the meeting topics and offering opportunity for public submissions.

This week the FDA opaquely announced no less than 5 VRBPAC meetings for June but without formally posting these at their website, and without seeking public input. This veritable blitzkrieg of approvals sought by Big Pharma, and to be ‘reviewed’ by the committee which includes Big Pharm executives (foxes and henhouses, anyone?) includes approval to jab babies and kids with products that some countries have banned due to an unacceptable quantity and severity of adverse reactions.

However, the most significant of these June meeting is the final one which is set to have all current and future mRNA-based Covid-19 ‘vaccinations’ exempted from FDA’s approval process. Toby Rogers has more:

June 28, “Future Framework” for Covid-19 shots. This is an Extinction Level Event for the U.S. The “Future Framework” means that Pfizer and Moderna can reformulate Covid-19 shots however they wish, and the FDA will not require new clinical trial data. Instead the FDA will automatically deem any future Covid-19 formulation as “safe and effective” because it is “biologically similar” to existing Covid-19 shots on the market. If the “Future Framework” is approved, it would represent the end of any clinical trial data on Covid-19 shots, the end of any pretence of science at the FDA, and the end of America. If approved, all-cause mortality will increase for the rest of our lives as Covid-19 shots lead to an increase in heart attacks, cancer, stroke, autoimmune disorders, and a wide range of other chronic and fatal conditions.

Emphasis mine.

If approved, this opens the way for Pfizer, Moderna et al to accelerate their unconstrained use of billions of humans as lab rats, with organisations like our own MedSafe typically rubber stamping anything the FDA approves. For the FDA’s part, the approach confirms their capture by, and subservience to the pharmaceutical industry when their founding purpose was instead to protect people from harm caused by those rapacious corporations.

It is my hope that the mid-terms will see emergence of a Congress with the balls to bring some of these evil-doers to account and, if necessary, burning the likes of the FDA, CDC and NIH to the ground.
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May 14, 2022 8:03am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  it would represent the end of…and the end of America
  
  Why do you read, and repeat, such crap?
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:07am
  - Lee C
    
    Sheer brilliance milky you should consider having that second line inscribed on your headstone.
    
    Now, about those global corporations rigging the process to be allowed to inject anything ‘similar’ to an already debunked medical procedure with total impunity into children of any age…
    
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    May 14, 2022 9:11am
    - pdm
      
      Lee C or on his forehead.
      
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      May 14, 2022 9:42am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Put yourself in mike’s, and millions of others’ shoes: they believe people in authority because … well, they’re people in authority, aren’t they? It follows that we should accept their pronouncements, doesn’t it (no, that doesn’t follow at all).
      
      They’ve dutifully lined up for their two, three, four or in some cases, even more shots, which do not stop them getting Covid or passing it on (and some data even shows they may have negative immunity and thus be more susceptible to Covid to unvaccinated people). They’ve been assured of their moral and rational superiority by their deified authorities, and, again, they accept these soothing words without question. Rather than weakness, they see virtue in their obedience, despite the medical, logical and ethical case against doing what they have done showing that they have acted rashly and irrationally.
      
      For someone on KB (in fact innumerable people over the last year especially) to come along and point out in a reasoned and data-derived manner that not only have they been misled, and are still being misled, but that there may be significant as yet unmanifested future medical consequences flowing from their course of action, the inevitable response if to refuse to countenance the possibility that they have done the wrong thing, and to lash out in an abusive manner instead of reflecting deeply on the situation.
      
      I wish everyone the best, but, despite the many disadvantages I have experienced as a result of thinking for myself and remaining unvaccinated, I feel vindicated as time goes by that that was the only rational course.
      
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      May 14, 2022 11:23am
      - glowworm
        
        Despite our individual decisions, we must all now cross our fingers and pray that the recent warnings of scientists like Geert Vanden Bossche do not come to pass….
        
        I sincerely hope he is incorrect.
        
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        May 14, 2022 8:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Only two here think it is crap Mike, you and Pakes
    
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    May 14, 2022 9:38am
  - David Garrett
    
    You’d be the expert in “repeating crap” Milky boy…
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:42am
  - krazykiwi
    
    That is rhetoric I see little value in. However it does not detract from the key message which is the likely rubber stamped approval of pharmaceuticals that have the worst safety record of any vaccine.
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:46am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Krazy they’re not vaccines so comparing them to vaccines isn’t really fair. Maybe comparing them to throat lozenges would be more generous.
      
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      May 14, 2022 12:28pm
      - Hebe123
        
        Correct me if I’m wrong, but a throat lozenge with the safety profile of these “vaccines” would be quickly removed from the shelves after the first person was killed.
        
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        May 15, 2022 7:58am
- Simon
  
  Corporations control the US government. Always have. The only exception was Trump. That’s why so much hatred against him. He was outside the system but Trump didn’t really appreciate it himself.
  
  Merica isn’t better or worse because of Pfizer etc it’s just a mere continuation. The mid terms will change nothing. It’s an illusion to think somehow the system will get better with the right people in government.
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That hate of Trump is coming back, Trump 2024.
    The left are getting nastier every day, no longer the left of yesteryear
    
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    May 14, 2022 9:52am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      How delicious if The Donald runs and wins in 2024. Cant wait to see the Left there here and everywhere heads explode. Poor wee things will have a total melt down. And the bonus will be the US economy back on track and rocking which means our economy will do like wise.
      
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      May 14, 2022 9:59am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It’s gonna be fucking awesome. Liberal tears everywhere, screaming at the sky. Can’t wait to see it.
        
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        May 14, 2022 10:45am
    - Its only I
      
      Operation warp speed, the $14 billion partnership between trumps administration and industry to develop the covid vaccines….the ones we reject at every opportunity….but its trump so, yeah, well?
      
      You don’t have to be remotely left to hate the orange-utang. Many of us on the right just keep quiet in case we get “cancelled”.
      
      That f****en toxic grifter has done more damage to right-wing politics than anyone of some influence in living memory.
      Just wanting to see the lefts house burn by burning your own house is ridiculous and ultimately self defeating.
      It seems there is precious little difference between the cult of “saint” Jacinda or the “orange “MAGA Jesus”. Neither can do no wrong in the eyes of those with total religious like devotion, shit to they turn on anyone who thinks differently. (see below my thumbs down, piss off quota)
      
      Far canal its just sad y’all seem to have let trump sell you a barrel of pre-dug holes to drop your flagpole into.
      
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      May 14, 2022 2:48pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Fair enough, you have expressed your point of view. So can you provide evidence for your little outburst:
        “That f****en toxic grifter has done more damage to right-wing politics than anyone of some influence in living memory.”
        Because from what I recall of Trump’s presidency, despite his being a very flawed, somewhat arrogant and controversial human being, he achieved a lot for the American people – including minorities, blacks, latinos & gays – and got the country moving like it hadn’t for several decades.
        Trouble is, when dealing with Trump, most people play the man instead of the ball. Even our good host DPF still claims that Trump should be in jail, despite a number of cases that he has won.
        The problem is that Trump has got into many heads that contradict their own narrative, so he’s all wrong. Check your own prejudices and then check the facts.
        
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        May 14, 2022 4:34pm
      - Its only I
        
        @Don.
        
        His popularity was certainly the result of his material improvements in the lives of US citizens.
        
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        May 14, 2022 6:37pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    He and Musk are seen as class traitors: billionaires who give a shit about the common man, when the game is to screw the latter over and convince them that it is the best course of action.
    
    The main well-spring of anti-Trump sentiment among the masses is, somewhat ironically, a feeling of elitism: people can feel good about themselves by projecting an air of superiority over the “boorish” Trump, and by joining in the Trump-bashing, stirred-up through the mass media by a class of people who loath them even more than they loath Trump.
    
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    May 14, 2022 11:33am
- Albert_Ross
  
  I’ve looked through your link to Toby Rogers’ blog and I found nothing in it that indicates that he has any actual credentials or knowledge.
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:40am
- John Pakes
  
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  You are becoming not only tiresome Krazy, but hysterical as well.
  
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  May 14, 2022 9:02am
  - Lee C
    
    I think KK makes a lot more sense than you do, John.
    
    Let the record speak for itself is my advice.
    
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    May 14, 2022 9:15am
  - artemisia
    
    You might be right Mr Pakes, but who could know that from your post?
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:34am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Pakes that’s hilarious a lefty accusing anyone of being hysterical. Laugh ? I nearly swallowed my teeth.
    
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    May 14, 2022 12:30pm
- Sacha
  
  “The “Future Framework” means that Pfizer and Moderna can reformulate Covid-19 shots however they wish, and the FDA will not require new clinical trial data.”
  
  And do you remember the article that noted different batch numbers on the vials of vaccines?
  
  Maybe the sceptics were right after all.
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:40am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Let’s face it, the sceptics have been right about everything.
    
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    May 14, 2022 11:36am
mikenmildagain

David Byrne is 70 today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzIuZ-mrIL0
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May 14, 2022 8:03am
- krazykiwi
  
  A extremely talented artist.
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:06am
- Tony Stuart
  
  That’s one of my all-time favourite YouTube clips. No only is Byrne superb, but a young Tina Weymouth’s bass playing is just fantastic; it’s the heartbeat of the band.
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:18am
  - David Garrett
    
    Tony S: I had never heard of this young – sadly now not so young – woman on bass…Mr Google tells me she’s been married to the same bloke since 1977…that’s some achievement for a rock muso!
    
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    May 14, 2022 11:09am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      She’s married to the drummer, Chris Frantz.
      
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      May 14, 2022 11:37am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      She’s a very talented woman, and one of the few in rock music to have been lucky in love.
      
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      May 14, 2022 3:05pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Stop making sense
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Very good
    
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    May 14, 2022 9:57am
- David Garrett
  
  That’s the best “comment” you’ve ever posted Milky Boy…stick to ones like that and everyone will be much happier.
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:51am
  - CJames
    
    Though I do think it is very childish of all the downtickers on Milky’s post. Quite obvious they didn’t bother to read it, let alone engage their braincells.
    
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    May 14, 2022 1:13pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Perhaps they are just expressing their dislike of an anonymous lefties troll…
      
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      May 14, 2022 2:40pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  That’s actually quite depressing milky I remember seeing them in 1977 but thanks anyway I’ll spin some vinyl in his honour.
  
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  May 14, 2022 12:35pm
Benedict Yu

My close associate the Kàinga Ora tenancy manager settled a young woman into her new state housing unit yesterday. Out of a motel.

They were having a cup of tea. My close associate asked “Can I ask how you lost two fingers from your left hand?”

Answer. “I owed money to the gang so they cut them off.” 😳😳😳

Christchurch is an odd place. Very wealthy predominantly white and Chinese residents 10 minutes drive from a different world.
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May 14, 2022 8:04am
- Inandout
  
  BY, and in Japan.
  
  ‘Losing a finger is probably the last thing anyone would accept as a risk for joining some organization. The practice, however, is common for Japan’s Yakuza, which happens as a form of punishment for various offenses.
  
  The word yubitsume, which literally translates to “finger-shortening,” functions as a means for a Yakuza member to show remorse for an offense committed.
  
  For starters, the ritual involves cutting the topmost portion of the left pinkie with a very sharp knife or tantō. The offender then wraps the severed joint — often elegantly — and submits it as a “package” to his oyabun, or immediate boss’.
  
  I still think Japan makes excellent motor vehicles.
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:24am
- MCōs
  
  I worked with a guy about forty years ago who told us the previous night night he’d been out with his mate while he attempted to collect money owing from drugs purchased.
  First wretched soul they visited wasn’t able to pay so he broke his ankles. Then he made him ring the next person so he could get the cash together.
  Then they called the Wellington Free Ambulance.
  
  Stuck in my mind that story.
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:36am
  - Sacha
    
    When I was a child in Hawkes Bay, many people worked at the freezing works during the killing season, during which time (as I remember) no-one could get the dole, so if you didn’t want to work, the best thing to do was have an ‘accident’ at work so that you could get the ‘compo’ (compensation) payments, which were more than the dole.
    The most common accident was amputation of a couple of fingers –
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:52am
- David Garrett
  
  BY: You are right. When I drove cabs in Christchurch 100 years ago, I quickly concluded that in many respects it was like a miniature London: Fendalton (Chelsea and Belgravia) only a 15 minute drive away from Aranui and Woolston (Mile End and Plaistow)
  
  The pubs were similarly differentiated: you were happy to pick up a fare from the Grenadier (now sadly demolished) or the Oxford, much less keen on one from the King George or the Tavern Rachael (now called something else) across the road. Interesting town…I’d live there again if it wasn’t so farking cold in the winter.
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:56am
- rouppe
  
  Is she still associating with the gang?
  
  If so I feel sorry for the neighbors
  
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  May 14, 2022 1:03pm
artemisia

Reports today of some West Papua Provincial Government student scholarships being withdrawn and students expected to return home. Indonesian Embassy said 593 students were receiving the scholarship. That is from one province.

Reasons for scholarship withdrawal given as academic and scholarship expiry dates. Have to wonder if some countries have decided it makes little sense if those they have paid a lot to educate here never come home. Especially if there is economic pressure at home. Sri Lanka, Vietnam and some others may be in a similar situation.

One of those interviewed openly said he wants to get a work visa and stay in New Zealand.

The overseas student sector has been a big earner for New Zealand. Students are reported as no longer seeing us as a sought after destination, if the work visa pathway is less available. Sector shrinks …
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May 14, 2022 8:21am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Don’t quite understand whether you are saying that students are being sent here for education in hopes that they will return to their home countries afterwards, or that they won’t.
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:43am
  - artemisia
    
    Depends who is doing the hoping. The government funding education here will want the qualified to come home. The ones funded, or some of them, would like to stay here. Student visas allow 20 hours a week work and lead, or have led, to work permits and onwards.
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like some folks on the Left will need to be careful if making disparaging remarks about Christopher Luxon’s baldness.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2022/05/sex-harassment-calling-a-man-bald-is-a-form-of-sex-harassment-uk-employment-tribunal-rules.html

Lara Greaves, an academic at the University of Auckland, said Luxon will have to “differentiate himself” from all the other bald, white middle-aged National Party MPs.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/christian-dad-vibe-politicians-and-experts-analyse-christopher-luxon-s-first-week-as-national-party-leader.html
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May 14, 2022 8:40am
- westernScientist
  
  so is calling him a the bald gnome that is going to save national hate speech now?
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Left run out of material so they resort to insults. Typical. Next when they are desperate they will call him ‘racist’
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:04am
  - artemisia
    
    Couple of recent examples of what some might call hate speech, dealt with very differently. Nadia Lim description, Lowe and Co fake billboards. One incident bathed in liberal tears from all quarters. The other described as hilarious by the boss who took advantage to promote the firm.
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:33am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Huh? There are a total of two other bald, white, middle-aged National Party MPs – Matt Doocey and David Bennett.
  
  Sure, a couple of others are balding – McKelvie and Muller, but that’s it. Contract with the Labour caucus, which has around a dozen balding, middle-aged MPs, but many of them are brown, which shows what the “academic” was really getting at – he’s white.
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:06am
  - Paulus
    
    I am an elderly white European male and am as good as totally bald.
    My annual haircut requires a search fee first.
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:35am
    - David Garrett
      
      Paulus: Why don’t you just shave it old boy, and dispense with haircuts altogether??
      
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      May 14, 2022 11:22am
- curry4me
  
  As always, it’ll be different if the loathsome left do it. Have they mentioned his religion, and property ownership details in the last five minutes.
  
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  May 14, 2022 11:06am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Greaves is yet another head bobbing arm waving leftie fool
  
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  May 14, 2022 2:01pm
Tony Stuart

An excellent score for the Taxpayers’ Union; they’ve revealed NZ on Air has given $220,000 for a documentary to be made on Green MP and likely co-leader Chloe Swarbrick:

https://twitter.com/TaxpayersUnion/status/1524924236665499648

The synopsis is “a documentary exploring the personal and political life of New Zealand’s youngest MP, Chloe Swarbrick”. Quite why the taxpayer should be funding a documentary about a current politician, especially in the run-up to an election, is beyond me, and I hope the Auditor-General is asked to take a look.

Interestingly, among those listed as involved in the project is Philippa Campbell, who was also involved in the now-canned movie about Jacinda Ardern and the Christchurch mosque terrorism. Ms Campbell is married to Herald journalist Simon Wilson, known for his strong support of Labour and the Greens. It all just seems a little too comfy, although New Zealand is a small place.

Anyway, kudos to the NZTU, without whom we would never hear of things such as this. I see broadcaster Peter Williams recently joined the NZTU Board, which is an excellent appointment for an organisation that is doing excellent work on behalf of the humble, long-suffering taxpayer.
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May 14, 2022 8:41am
- Nickc2
  
  How do these people get away with such blatant corrupt practices without being held to account?
  I can only conclude that they believe it’s ok because they have done it many times previously.
  It’s taxpayers’ money FFS! Come on Auditor General, get your arse into gear and investigate such practices and hold those responsible to account before a concerned public hold you to account.
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Been done before – how much did Helen Clark steal, and change the Law to make it legal?
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:13am
    - Nickc2
      
      Yea, I remember that. All parties with exception of the Maori Party (because they didn’t break the law) paid the money back and after Helen Clark couldn’t change the law despite repeated attempts, she finally repaid the money whilst still disputing the amount. Winston Peters on the other hand paid the money owing from his party to the Starship Hospital (allegedly) so it didn’t go back to Govt Coffers.
      Helen Clark was also held responsible for the Pledge Card debacle from memory but somehow was never required to repay the money AFIK.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/labour-escapes-charges-on-pledge-card-but-case-found/OTMRGAMRSAC6ZWBWBJCQDMWV6E/
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/177679/Starship-rejects-NZ-First-money
      
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      May 14, 2022 12:08pm
- John Pakes
  
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  It is not unusual or odd for one journalist to be married to another. Just look at Barry and Helen.
  
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  May 14, 2022 9:08am
  - Swifty
    
    Bloody hell John, you can’t even get your basic facts straight.
    
    Lift your game man.
    
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    May 14, 2022 9:11am
    - John Pakes
      
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      I thought that Barry Soper is married to Helen Du Plessis-Allan? They are both journo’s. Is this wrong Swifty?
      
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      May 14, 2022 9:32am
      - gravedodger
        
        It is Heather married to Bazza you daft shallow prick.
        Helen Married Peter as a political move forced by The late unlamented James Patrick Anderton
        
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        May 14, 2022 9:41am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Is this Helen you refer to Heather Du Plessis-Allans sister then Mr Parkes?
        
        And are you say Barry is in a bigamous or poly-amorous relationship with 2 sisters?
        
        I am confused by your post! but then again that is not unusual with your posts which are often confusing
        
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        May 14, 2022 9:42am
      - Swifty
        
        Heather.
        
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        May 14, 2022 9:42am
      - MCōs
        
        Heather
        
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        May 14, 2022 9:45am
      - pdm
        
        Very wrong.
        
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        May 14, 2022 9:48am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I always knew there were two of them//
        
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        May 14, 2022 10:15am
      - David Garrett
        
        Oh dear…always check spelling and names before pressing “Send” Johnny…saves an awful lot of embarrassment…
        
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        May 14, 2022 11:00am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      1. Get a game
      2. Try and lift it.
      
      Fixed it for ya.
      
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      May 14, 2022 10:09am
  - The Other Enoch
    
    It’s Heather, John. Heather.
    
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    May 14, 2022 9:30am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Tony, don’t worry — it’ll definitely be a warts ‘n’ all production….
  
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  May 14, 2022 9:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “long-suffering taxpayer’
  We are going to suffer much more unless the communists are voted out. Sick of being an ATM for the left.
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:08am
  - pdm
    
    ` Sick of being an ATM for the left.’
    
    I know it hasbeen said before but Steve your timing makes this `Quote Of The Day’ if not `Quote Of The Week.’
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:42am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Under the surface we area corrupt little country. the only reason we score so well in the international corruption tables is that the rest are even worse than use.
  In NZ most corruption is hidden and rarely gets any publicity. Corruption here is mates doing favour for mates and getting favours in return. Not so much about money changing hands more you scratch my back and I’ll scratch your but still corruption.
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:08am
  - PeeJay
    
    100% mate. The lack of brown paper envelopes stuffed with cash in our government-corporate chumocracy means most folks think there is no corruption in NZ. Couldn’t be further from the truth. Same folks giving the same mates jobs with the same crap performance – that’s pretty much central and local government procurement right there.
    
    Think how many projects are cost blow outs? IT? Yep, every single time. Construction? Never on cost or time. But same contractors, same consultants get every new project – previous crap performance doesn’t matter. Maybe if they’ve done exceptionally bad the might sit one cycle out on the naughty step but it’s not forever and they’ll soon be back on the gravy train in no time.
    
    And do the public ever get to know how much they are being conned out of through taxes and rates? Of course not……commercial sensitivity of course. Bollocks – there might not be cash changing hands in bribes etc but it’s just as bloody corrupt.
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:45am
  - mawm
    
    LMS – usually that’s just being a mate. Tradies help each other out all the time, but political corruption has a dreadful way of growing and eventually we’ll have politicians like Joe Biden who have really never done anything but collect bribes to ease the path for corrupt foreign governments or businesses. Any use of a political position for corrupt purposes should be punished immediately and severely.
    
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    May 14, 2022 1:25pm
  - nathie
    
    Some corruption is out in the open but perps like this little fella doesn’t think it is a big deal and gets away with it!
    
    Greens co-leader James Shaw has apologised for backing an $11.7 million grant to an exclusive private school saying it “was an error of judgment”.
    
    He now personally wants the grant given to the Green School as a loan so it’s paid back in full.
    
    But Shaw said the mistake wasn’t one that would warrant his resignation as co-leader, though conceded the controversy might risk the Green Party making it back into Parliament.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/green-party-co-leader-james-shaw-fronts-on-private-school-funding-controversy/QQ5UERPDZ6NDFMKS346CTPWYG4/
    
    Because “doh I forgot, honest Miss, please sweep this under the carpet”!!
    
    Greens co-leader James Shaw is scrambling to find a solution after his support for handing millions of taxpayer dollars to a private “green school” caused a storm of controversy.
    
    Greens co-leader James Shaw is scrambling to find a solution after his support for handing millions of taxpayer dollars to a private “green school” caused a storm of controversy.
    
    Shaw, also associate finance minister, has been under increasing pressure for signing off on the cash, alongside other ministers from Labour and New Zealand First – allocated from the $3 billion “shovel-ready” projects fund.
    
    The backlash is due to the Greens position on private schools – they do not support giving them taxpayer funding.
    
    “I simply missed the fact, I mean…I knew it was a school obviously, a private school, but it didn’t occur to me that we had an exclusion on funding of private schools,” Shaw told student radio station 95bFM.
    
    Shaw will be wishing he remembered his party’s long-held stance not to fund private schools before approving almost $12 million for Green School New Zealand in Taranaki.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/424895/james-shaw-looking-for-solution-in-green-school-controversy
    
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    May 14, 2022 2:48pm
- curry4me
  
  As the movie is about Chloe Swarbrick; it’ll likely feature on YouTube shorts.
  
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  May 14, 2022 11:08am
Tomtoddy

Here is something to make you weep. China is planning to use an EXTRA 300 million tonnes of coal in the next 12 months. That extra will produce, in less than 2 months, more CO2 than we supposedly produce in a whole year.

Next week we are going to announce heavy punitive measures to cut our CO2. We will severely damage our economy cutting production.
How stark, staring mad can you get?
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May 14, 2022 8:42am
- Tomtoddy
  
  If you add India they are lifting coal production by 250 million tonnes per year. It would take NZ 6 years to produce an equivalent amount of CO2 to that increase tonnage.
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:47am
- G152
  
  Their employees in NZ will ignore the blatant usage as they protest against our coal use
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:47am
- Philview
  
  Meanwhile the NZ media pump out propaganda that NZ needs to dismantle capitalism to stop climate change in NZ.
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:52am
- kowtow
  
  The Guardian had screaming front page headlines the other day about “carbon bombs” . These are huge oil and gas projects around the world.There are hundreds in the pipeline ready to destroy the planet (according to the cultists at the paper)
  
  Sheer millenial catastrophism.
  
  But it’s great to know that the big oil producing energy firms are firmly committed to keeping our standard of living as high as we’ve come to expect .
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:56am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Perhaps they should listen to the doyens of radiative physics.
    
    If they did, they’d learn Co2 can only “insulate” the planet so much (which stops the planet becoming a frozen wasteland like mars). Beyond that point Co2 only heats the planet around 1C per doubling of Co2. Of course the “save the planet” Gaia liars upon discovering this major flaw in their propaganda fluffed the number up to 3C per doubling.
    
    Currently Co2 is 0.04% of the atmosphere. 97% of that tiny proportion of Co2 came from natural sources (IE was NOT emitted by human endeavours).
    
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    May 14, 2022 4:26pm
- Nickc2
  
  Ask that question of the stupid bastards who voted this Govt in (twice in fact).
  
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  May 14, 2022 9:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    None will admit it these days
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:20am
    - Nickc2
      
      They’re all Blue Rinse Latte Slurpers Brigade Steve who can’t resist the Cooking Sherry and are perpetually pissed by the time their husbands get home.
      
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      May 14, 2022 10:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Someone with more than two brain cells would mine the NZ coal and sell it to China. Make hay while the sun shines, and make truckloads of money
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:18am
  - Flossie
    
    I absolutely agree. Why not!
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:42am
  - oldfella
    
    Steve, not sure if Labour could muster two braincells at a full caucus meeting.
    Read the latest Steven Joyce article in the horrid if you can.
    It’s behind their firewall, but this comment from Joyce is priceless.
    There is a strong and persistent whiff around this Government of a group of ideological students of politics who are determined to implement the ideas they have cooked up over the past 20 years irrespective of the consequences. The question is why?
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/steven-joyce-heres-an-idea-for-the-government-try-listening/4WDF3SCY7X6FSAX4BI3LFO4YW4/
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:48am
  - David Garrett
    
    Steve O: I think the canny Aussies have got that market covered haven’t they??
    
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    May 14, 2022 11:25am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Undercut the bastards then. The coal is just there, in the ground, waiting to be sold. Make NZ Great Again. MNZGA hat!
      
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      May 14, 2022 1:32pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  I think how mad we can get has starkly been shown since 2017!
  
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  May 14, 2022 11:47am
- mogg
  
  Yes but all of that pollution stays in the upper atmosphere above China, it doesn’t circulate around the globe.
  You sound like a Trump supporter saying ridiculous things like; Chinese goods should be taxed at the border, so they are not allowed to undermine our home industries by selling cheap imports made with coal and gas. While we abandon our own coal and gas supplies because they are causing pollution.
  
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  May 14, 2022 1:34pm
MCōs

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
So, Elon Musk is getting cold feet over buying Twitter.
Fancy that.
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May 14, 2022 8:43am
- westernScientist
  
  More likely his lawyers found some less than legal or at least misleading goings-on while doing diligence.
  
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  May 14, 2022 8:59am
  - Paulus
    
    Have heard that some of the Twitter participant figures are irregular numerically – whilst some was expected the quantity is believed to be greater that told.
    Maybe !
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:39am
    - mawm
      
      Maybe hugely.
      
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      May 14, 2022 1:30pm
  - Nickc2
    
    That’s right, more than 20% of the accounts in the system were fake.
    
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    May 14, 2022 11:04am
    - Nickc2
      
      My mistake. Currently being reported as 5% vs 20%.
      
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      May 14, 2022 12:15pm
- Inandout
  
  Mco, don’t jump to conclusions. If you fully understood how the sharemarket works you will see he is waiting to buy for less than he offered. I also suspect he has done his research and found Twitter has some censorship and algorithm issues to be sorted first. Either way this guy has a sharp nose for business matters.
  
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  May 14, 2022 9:10am
  - mogg
    
    The Dow is down seven weeks in a row, now entering bear market territory. Musk’s offer is now looking too generous and he knows it.
    
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    May 14, 2022 1:44pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  No MCos, he’s just doing exactly what he should be doing, completing the due diligence he will almost certainly have had written into any agreement with the Twitter Board. Twitter has a history of being cavalier with the truth, so Musk will be sorting his way through, and if there are anomalies, people will be torched (well, more than already have been and are currently on the future DCM list).
  
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  May 14, 2022 9:18am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Musk wants Twitter to back up its claim that less than 5% of Users are Bots.
    He’s not so sure.
    So its on hold.
    
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    May 14, 2022 9:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe Twitter want to sell but the deal is ‘it is yours on condition that Trump stays banned’//
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:24am
- leoj
  
  What a dilemma for MCos…..
  
  Who is worse? Trump or Musk?
  
  Such torment. Tears next?
  
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  May 14, 2022 11:16am
- artemisia
  
  Interesting to see if he withdraws his offer, and why (if this is ever made public). There will be contract conditions. Meantime he may well consider he has achieved what he set out to do.
  
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  May 14, 2022 4:01pm
kiwikidsnz

Unsurprised at West Papuans fleeing Indonesias brutal invasion

https://youtu.be/QjU8R8oj328
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May 14, 2022 8:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

I trust this article leaves you as dumbstruck as it did me.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128608991/two-murdered-children-two-daycares-who-knew-of-abuse–but-no-law-to-report-it

I suspect many early childhood centres and even schools are intimidated by some of the parents/care-givers they deal with and are unwilling to get backlash if a complaint about ill-treatment is not followed up by OT or the police.
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May 14, 2022 8:48am
- Gravelroad
  
  What is the point of OT if it doesn’t actually protect vulnerable children?
  Is it there for the kids or there to protect the interests and lifestyles of adults?
  The woman who murdered the five year old boy knew exactly what she was doing and didn’t care (even though she was being paid to care).
  She told her partner that if she ended up in jail he didn’t need to wait for her get out – just move on to the next one.
  How cold is that.
  
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  May 14, 2022 12:27pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  I see Maori Party leaders were recently bemoaning the fact that average Maori life expectancy is lower than the average for the population as a whole, so that’s why they need a separate health authority.
  
  I wonder if, in targeting healthcare, they are looking in the right place for the reasons for the lower average life expectancy. How much is that average dragged down by the numbers who die violent deaths at a young age? How does the average life expectancy compare if you look only at people who’ve made it to the age of 30?
  
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  May 14, 2022 12:28pm
kowtow

This country is soft on crime.

‘There was a gang pulling the strings in the background, Judge Michael Turner said, but its identity had not been uncovered.

Because O’Leary has been in custody for the past 14 months, he will see the Parole Board imminently.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/drug-dealer-jailed-minder-receives-detention
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May 14, 2022 8:51am
blue collar

Pretty sure g the giants right about Tauranga , greens and Maori party in cahoots with labour . Withdraw and hope act/nats vote split gives labour the win
Recent polls saying next election will be tight , labour will need Maori and greens to get over the line ( it won’t be , nats/act will smoke em ) but the fatheads on the left will be thinking this and acting accordingly
Why waste an opportunity ? play the racism card to try and get the large Maori population over there to back labour
Should act withdraw ? I dunno . Will be an interesting litmus rest either way
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May 14, 2022 8:53am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Labour has no chance of winning Tauranga. For a start, by-elections almost always go against the government of the day, because they provide the opportunity for a protest vote with limited consequences. Secondly, Labour’s popularity is tanking and Tauranga is traditionally a National stronghold.
  
  Lastly, and most importantly, this is the only vote Tauranga residents will get this year. There’s no council or mayoral election because Nanaia Mahuta has cancelled it, and extended the term of the commissioners. Don’t underestimate how angry Tauranga residents are. My prediction is that Sam Uffindell will win a landslide majority, with ACT’s Cameron Luxton in second, and Jan Tinetti a distant third.
  
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  May 14, 2022 9:35am
  - oldfella
    
    Tony, I’m an angry Taurangan, and I’m really pissed off with Mahuta for the way she cancelled our local body elections.
    Democracy? What’s that?
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:54am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We better hope Labpour has no chance, because of Act took 15% of the vote, Peters comes in and gets 5% m, Nats get 25% what is left
    
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    May 14, 2022 2:08pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Peters won’t be standing in Tauranga. He thought it was a mistake when they gave him the arse card in favour of Bob Clarkson in 2005, but then they went and did it again in 2008, this time with Simon Bridges. He wasn’t complimentary at the time, nor were the voters who overwhelmingly rejected him.
      
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      May 14, 2022 3:12pm
- MCōs
  
  The Maori Party didn’t stand anyone in the last election in Tauranga and picked up 155 party votes.
  This would suggest a lot of local Maori are on the Maori roll and voted for Rawiri Waititi at the last election.
  He scraped in over Tamati Coffey for the Waiariki seat with Hannah Tamaki third.
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:16am
  - Don Beckett
    
    There are probably around 25,000 Maori living in the Tauranga area. 155 as a percentage of 25,000 ??
    Miniscule.
    
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    May 14, 2022 11:03am
  - CJames
    
    I would have the opposite view to you MCos. Most of the local Tauranga Maori are on the general roll. This would be because they are recent arrivals and have no affiliation with local marae.
    They are there in Tauranga as middle class NZers who want to get ahead. Pay off the mortgage, get a good education for their kids, get a boat in the drive, have overseas holidays, that type of thing. The Maori Party definitely does not represent them or their aspirations.
    Someone may correct me if I am wrong, But I thought the Maori Party support in Waiariki came from places like Te Teko, Taneatua, Murupara, Opotiki and the like. All distinguished by high beneficiary numbers and endemic lawlessness. And their vote was a protest one against an ineffectual urban liberal who did not represent them.
    
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    May 14, 2022 1:27pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It would be a kick in the slats to lose to Labour in a concocted by-election, ACT will come third , what is the point them standing
  
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  May 14, 2022 2:05pm
Philview

I read the editorial in the ODT yesterday calling the National Government’s appointment of commissioners in Ecan one of the darkest days in our democracy. The ODT said we are lucky to have this Labour Government which respects democracy. What a mighty piece of misinformation. What about commissioners in Tauranga, DHBs, Co-Governance, the Rotorua Bill etc etc.
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May 14, 2022 8:58am
- MCōs
  
  Voting for that National chap is hardly a protest.
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:19am
- Gravelroad
  
  The ODT is openly biased towards the left.
  With no consequences apparently.
  Same as Mr Simon Wilson of the Herald.
  Management of both these red “ news” sheets won’t care unless the advertisers kick up about it.
  And that is unlikely given that the Labour Party government is their best paying customer.
  
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  May 14, 2022 12:40pm
- I remember when
  
  Philview:
  The Labour Party has a strong ‘union’ component so they are fierce in their protection of democracy.
  
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  May 14, 2022 2:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Goodness…

Is Labour hinting that it might change its leader?

and for Labour strategists, Duncan says nothing should be off the table – even a change in leadership.

“I do think that a change in style – possibly a change in leadership,

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/128567067/what-labour-needs-to-do-to-win-the-next-election

Have the Labour faithful begun to notice that Our Dear Leader has lost her way?
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May 14, 2022 9:00am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  She had no “way” to start with Maggy, and changing style? Does that mean they will change from a group of inept clowns (and that includes the PM) to something more? Would that imply a complete clean out of MP’s?
  
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  May 14, 2022 9:21am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “possibly a change in leadership”
    Bring it on. Spindy is the only thing keeping the useless bastards above 25%.
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:07am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      That downtick was supposed to be an uptick. Annoying that you can’t correct it here. Your assessment is accurate.
      
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      May 14, 2022 10:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Who would replace her? The pool is shallow.
    Labour is only held together by Jaspinda and Covid. There is nothing else to help Labour.
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:35am
    - Nickc2
      
      If they punt up Mahuta as a potential PM, that’ll see the end of this Labour Govt for sure. Bring it on!
      
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      May 14, 2022 11:16am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Same applies to the toxic little weasel Michael Wood.
        
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        May 14, 2022 2:16pm
    - mawm
      
      Jabspinda the Vaccinator has contracted the dreaded disease despite being triple jabbed with the safe and effective non-vaccine.
      
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      May 14, 2022 1:39pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    She was just a fancy brand that had enough people take her home….once to box was opened the contents were very sub par.
    The good news is she is labour’s only branded polly, the rest are all house brand second grade fruits.
    
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    May 14, 2022 11:52am
- Paulus
  
  And now has the Omicron virus so she will be working from home for another 10 days whatever.
  Having jitters in being seen in public now so will avoid it until she goes to the USA shortly without having any NZ showing except climing the aircraft stairs.
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:43am
  - DeepBlue
    
    By the time Jacinda returns from USA, with a post trip stop over for a holiday, she could string her disappearing act out to 7 or 8 weeks.
    
    By which time Grant will be defacto leader.
    
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    May 14, 2022 4:23pm
- PeeJay
  
  I sincerely hope they do not change. I not only want Labour to lose, but I want her to front it and to have to own it. I want to see her on election night realising she has lost. She made the last one all about her – would be nice for her to taste defeat and this being all on her. Would also be good for the rest of the world to see her as a failed PM rather than her slinking off mid-term as a latter day saint….although noticing the friendly articles offshore are starting to dry up a bit!
  
  Her popularity is crashing – if they do a change of leadership (I’d say chippie rather than grunter tbh), they might just do enough to get a hydra coalition with Labour / Greens / Maori.
  
  Labour are bad but if Greens and Maori have any real power post 2023, then we really will be on a fast track ride to New Zimbabwe / New Venezuela status.
  
  I don’t expect Luxon to drastically alter the general direction, unless ACT get a good 15 to 20 MP’s to give them a spine (which they won’t), but at this point, I’d be happy with halting the slide for a few years!
  
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  May 14, 2022 11:09am
- nathie
  
  Gosh we plebs will be sooo lucky (not!) with a possible change in leadership from one Imposter to another Imposter!
  
  Calling “Bankrupt Robertson”, calling “Bankrupt Robertson” your time has come!
  
  Wait … do I hear the faint calls of the MSM getting louder …. “we want Chippie, we want Chippie”?
  
  Hang on, oh dear, both Robbo and Chippie are “pale, stale, male”, surely that can not be tolerated in the modern Labour Party of 2022?
  
  What does wily Willie and his cohorts have to say about that?
  
  What does the third-wave Feminist grouping say about that?
  
  Nah who cares, as they say, It’s Different When The Left Do It (code for we want our snouts to remain in the trough …. so Robbo or Chippie it is)!
  
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  May 14, 2022 11:41am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Its because the Maori caucus have taken over, they will push her and Robertson out, even if they lose they will control Labour , they are dictating in cabinet apparently
  
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  May 14, 2022 2:10pm
edhunter

Stuff’d still prattling on about poor Nadia & the evil white man, instead of the fact she was one main beneficiaries of the share offer that did utilise her celebrity status to sell shares & that are now worth half of what they were paid for.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/128625811/simon-henrys-brother-says-backlash-might-reinforce-his-individualistic-entrepreneurial-take-on-life
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May 14, 2022 9:05am
- Loddenthinks
  
  It didn’t just utilise her celebrity, it made good use of her sexuality. Nothing wrong with that, men have been hard-wired for millennia to respond viscerally to attractive females – it’s one of the reasons you’re reading this today.
  
  And nothing wrong with calling it what it is either, except it gives them an opportunity to cry victim and sexism. Hypocrisy, thy name is Nadia.
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:13am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The MFB IPO was a disgrace. I looked at it and valued the shares at $1/$1.20 tops. They IPO at $1.85. MFB had competition and a low cost of entry into the market for competitors. The promoters rorted the IPO shareholders.I also look at how much the promoters are leaving on the table. If they taking most of it off the table them I figure they dont have confidence in the IPO price holding or as it should increasing. Alas this is the way of many IPOs in NZ.
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:15am
  - I remember when
    
    So was Nadia Lim’s contribution a ‘false’ advertisement which she had a responsiblity to be aware was likely.
    As she is part of a multi-faceted farming partnership would it be reasonable to expect some expertise in the area.
    
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    May 14, 2022 1:52pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Ye olde IPO pump and dump, emphasising sizzle over steak.
  
  Oh well, it’s morally wrong to let a sucker keep his money.
  
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  May 14, 2022 12:40pm
Yvette

“Co-governance”
Minister of Māori Development Willie Jackson says democracy in 2022 is broader and more expansive than just one person, one vote.
… “The nature of democracy has changed. This is a democracy now where you take into account the needs of people, the diverse needs, the minority needs. Its not the tyranny of the majority anymore, that’s what co-management and co-governance is about. It’s nothing to fear,” Jackson said.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/24/willie-jackson-co-governance-a-chance-at-equity-for-maori/

Update on the development of the Declaration Plan –
34 … Cabinet intended that implementing the Declaration will not take away from the rights of all citizens or threaten the unity of our country. While some of our laws and policies are not consistent with the Declaration, any changes to specific policy and statutory settings to achieve greater consistency with the Declaration would only be made over time, through a full public consultation process.  – Update on the development of the Declaration Plan PDF
https://www.tpk.govt.nz/en/a-matou-mohiotanga/cabinet-papers/united-nations-declaration-on-the-rights-of-indige

So in publicly commenting – after “targeted engagement” with Maori, but before Cabinet has sifted through that response – has Willie Jackson ignored the stipulation that Cabinet intends “the Declaration will not take away from the rights of all citizens or threaten the unity of our country” by him saying “The nature of democracy has changed” and “democracy in 2022 is broader and more expansive than just one person, one vote”?
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- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And is he stating that the UNDRIP will ultimately be the overriding document for NZ’s indigenous people?
  
  ie the UNDRIP will take precedence over the TOW “partnership”?
  
  If that is the case Willie Jackson needs to take careful note of Article 46 (1):
  
  Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, people, group or
  person any right to engage in any activity or to
  perform any act contrary to the Charter of the
  United Nations or construed as authorizing or
  encouraging any action which would dismember or impair, totally or in part, the territorial integrity or political unity of sovereign and independent States.
  
  https://www.un.org/development/desa/indigenouspeoples/wp-content/uploads/sites/19/2018/11/UNDRIP_E_web.pdf
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:07am
Yvette

“3 Waters” –
Govt refuses advice to commit ongoing taxpayer funding for Three Waters
The Government isn’t committing to ongoing taxpayer investment in water services, as its Three Waters governance working group had recommended.
… Robertson said the four new water corporations would have sufficient working capital, by aggregating up the assets transferred to their management from the individual councils …
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govt-refuses-advice-to-commit-ongoing-taxpayer-funding-for-three-waters
May 3, 2022

Robertson has discovered financial perpetual motion …

but May 11 –
Ratings agency says Govt will bail out Three Waters corporations in a crisis
… Local Government Minister Nanaia Mahuta is expecting to introduce the Water Services Bill to Parliament in the next four weeks – just in time to make it a hot-button issue in council elections from Kaikohe to Invercargill.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/credit-ratings-agency-says-government-will-bail-out-new-three-waters-corporations-in-a-crisis

… the Government will pay after all

Is “3 Waters” going down the drain?
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May 14, 2022 9:15am
- nathie
  
  Speaking of “going down the drain”, I wonder how many taxpayer $millions have been ~~wasted~~ spent so far … and for what?
  
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  May 14, 2022 11:55am
Maggie Pie

A bestie retweets 😛

‘CUE….. DELIVERANCE’

https://twitter.com/ExciteableBouy/status/1525093097218056193
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May 14, 2022 9:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Can’t unsee that. Nightmares tonight
  
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  May 14, 2022 11:29am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  That doesn’t portend a more “sophisticated” form of democracy. Bashing each other over the head to solve our disputes, perhaps, but is that really the sort of sophistication that will make our lives better?
  
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  May 14, 2022 11:53am
Ruawai

Rather than increasing the number of bureaucrats sitting around writing plans why doesn’t the government employ more nurses, doctors, police etc who actually do the work.
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May 14, 2022 9:34am
- Nickc2
  
  Work to any Labour Politician is an alien concept.
  
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  May 14, 2022 11:24am
  - pdm
    
    Maybe not Mike Moore.
    
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    May 14, 2022 5:53pm
- nathie
  
  Alas Labour don’t do “common sense”!
  
  Probably for the following reasons, it’s regarded as the “tyranny of the majority”, or it is “colonial” in its origin, and to makes matters worse it just isn’t “inclusive” enough???!!!
  
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  May 14, 2022 12:00pm
- kowtow
  
  The Opp needs to do some work on how much has been spent on PR jobs by this regime , and contrast that with the total lack of delivery .
  
  Ja ‘spin’ da Ardern.
  
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  May 14, 2022 2:13pm
RockyJ

I enjoyed watching David Seymour in parliament taunting Labour over his perception they are backing off from the whole concept of cogovernance. He gave the impression that he has inside knowledge of dissention within the Labour caucus
It occurred to me that if Labour were really committed to cogovernance then their caucus decisions should not be on the basis of one MP one vote (so old fashioned) but split 50/50 the Maori MPs as a block v the rest.
Maybe that is why the Maori caucus block have so much influence and maybe the rest are starting to see what a clusterf__k it is.
It would be ironic if they decided to end their push to cogovernance by a vote.
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May 14, 2022 9:38am
- kowtow
  
  Co governance was for imposing on us Plebs , not to tie the hands of the regime.
  
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  May 14, 2022 11:30am
- nathie
  
  “It occurred to me that if Labour were really committed to cogovernance then their caucus decisions should not be on the basis of one MP one vote (so old fashioned) but split 50/50 the Maori MPs as a block v the rest.”
  
  This !
  
  This needs to be shouted loud and afar!
  
  Also looking forward to the supporters of “co-governance” eg the MSM, the Councils and the Universities, appointing co-CEO’s, co-Mayors and co-Vice Chancellors!
  
  Because if they don’t want to share control, surely they are Racist !
  
  Otherwise it is a case of “Do What I Say, Not as I Do” hyp-hyp-hypocrisy!!
  
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  May 14, 2022 12:12pm
- [email protected]
  
  Yes, watched that video. Trevor Malard was missing and the acting Speaker was impressive in her impartiality.
  
  Question: Don’t we pay politicians to show up and participate in the debating chambers? The place was virtually empty.
  
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  May 14, 2022 12:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dr. Carson: Americans recognizing Democrats’ manipulation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozGrKXbeodM
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May 14, 2022 9:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sorry I could not get CNN’s version
  
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  May 14, 2022 9:40am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dan Bongino on inflation and interest rates.
https://fb.watch/c_yFvJeTvT/
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May 14, 2022 9:46am
Captain Mainwaring

Breaking news. Spindy has covid. Another week off and goodbye USA trip.
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May 14, 2022 10:05am
- mandk
  
  That must be fake news.
  
  Our Dear Leader will have been double plus vaccinated, and we all know that the vaccine is safe and effective.
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:11am
  - Ruawai
    
    It might be safe but it is clearly not effective!
    
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    May 14, 2022 11:52am
    - mandk
      
      Not safe either.
      
      The number of Vax related deaths and non-fatal serious adverse events is hugely under-recorded.
      
      There is no requirement for doctors to report them, so why would they when they are always busy?
      
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      May 14, 2022 1:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No, she could still make the USA trip.
  She’ll be out of isolation by May 21st.
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:13am
  - Tricati
    
    And I have no doubts she will go to the US, as another week away from scrutiny will be very convenient.
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:23am
  - pdm
    
    Maggy – will the Yanks let her in to their country?
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:50am
    - kevn
      
      @pdm… “Don’t you know who I am”?
      
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      May 14, 2022 10:57am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Do you know who I am?
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw
        
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        May 14, 2022 11:37am
      - Vory v zakone
        
        John Durham knows who she is… 😉
        
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        May 15, 2022 1:41am
  - ecco
    
    Don’t you have to test negative to get out of isolation. It’s not automatic, or dies Ardern operate under a different set of rules?
    
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    May 14, 2022 10:56am
    - ecco
      
      Now she can find out what it’s like to have your travel plans put on hold.
      
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      May 14, 2022 11:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Thought the announcement about an announcement was going to be announced tomorrow Sunday
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:41am
- Sacha
  
  She’s symptomatic?
  Or is she hiding until she can escape?
  Will she ever come back?
  Or will she get the long covid and have to remain in ‘care’ for as long as it takes?
  
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  May 14, 2022 11:10am
kevn

@Captn/Maggy… A herd of wild horses wouldn’t stop her making the USA trip.
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May 14, 2022 10:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just fudge with the results and tell a few lies. Simple really.
  
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  May 14, 2022 10:42am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Par for the course.
    
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    May 14, 2022 11:12am
Paulus

Local interest groups in Tauranga electorate are saying that following their unoficial poll that Labour will come in third after National and ACT.
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May 14, 2022 10:30am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  By god i hope you are right, it maybe right , because in the Northland bi-election there was polls every second day scoffing that Peters was leading, the rotten media will have polled Tauranga
  
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  May 14, 2022 2:13pm
Clownworld

It had to happen and wish a swift recovery.

Wuhan flu just contracted Ardern.

Being stuck in isolation with Ardern for 7 + days, will be a difficult time.
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May 14, 2022 10:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Pity she will only be on TV link for the Budget. No real publicity.
  
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  May 14, 2022 11:45am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I suggest this is all bullshit to get her away from the nasty maori caucus who are trying to push her out, 10 days off tired after Japan , iso all that week , now she has a week with the pox. what is she hiding from
  
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  May 14, 2022 2:16pm
Inandout

Now that Jacinda has the bug and must isolate from the debating chamber, well some card wrote ‘is the virus ok?’.
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May 14, 2022 10:34am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Only 2 minutes before you posted 🙂
  
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  May 14, 2022 11:41am
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ju4wzXaxrAA/

Why Woke Leftists Hate The Northman!

Harveywood have made a movie; The Northman that is based on the real Amleth. The wokerati hate it as it is decidedly unwoke. There are several plot twists. I might watch it if it apppears in theatres here. [9:03]
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May 14, 2022 10:59am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POhM4CC_fJQ

A Date With Jacinda – Emergency Protest – Christchurch City.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, the leader of the most destructive, deceitful, and heartless Govt in NZ history in my view was in CHCH today and received a welcome by, …well, not exactly supporters, but supporters of her resignation and exile for Govt. This Govt has destroyed the freedom and rights of this nation. Smashed Business and the economy, divided Families and Friends, and Kiwis have paid dearly in loss of quality of life and many succumbing to the pressure tragically in taking their own lives. [I forgot to put this up earlier sorry. 19:48]
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May 14, 2022 11:00am
I remember when

Now that she is positive for covid (great to see the government positive about something) Jacinda will be, according to the news item, “I reckon” from home on government policy action.
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May 14, 2022 11:16am
I remember when

As I headed over the Saddle Road into Tararua/Hawkes Bay yesterday morning the effects of the anticyclone were obvious.
Frosts in the Manawatu, turbines virtually motionless, even at 9.30am still the remnants of a large fog area over parts of Tararua.
The result was a need for power to provide heat, no wind, solar power late in becoming available because of later sunrise, fog and possibly not economic in the area.
Hope they didn’t have to charge the car at home to get to work.
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May 14, 2022 11:29am
I remember when

Child who found meth at MSD motel in Hamilton “though it was sherbet”: Stuff:
Story accompanied by a photo showing clearly the motels address, in case anyone wanted to know where to access some.
Raylene Rota, who may have had some pricing experience, estimated the bag contained $900 worth of the Class A drug.
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May 14, 2022 11:45am
Maggy Wassilieff

James Nokise notices that this Government is completely out of touch with the lives of many NZers
(although he tries to disguise his observation by applying it to all politicians).

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/128636733/the-rich-talk-of-financial-security-the-poor-talk-about-fear

But wasn’t Our Dear Leader and Labour going to help the poor?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/07/report-finding-18-000-more-children-pushed-into-poverty-disputed-by-jacinda-ardern.html
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May 14, 2022 11:53am
[email protected]

Aljazeera:

One in five UK civil servants to be laid off: Trade unions threaten with strikes as 91,000 civil service jobs are expected to go for the UK to save $4.3bn a year.

New Zealand also seems to have an excess of civil servants costing tax payers.
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May 14, 2022 12:17pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  I’ve worked with a range on NZ SMEs & global multinational organisations over a 45 year career. The last one I worked for ran a global retail consumer, wholesale customer & manufacturing supply chain business in nearly 200 countries servicing over 3 billion consumers daily with less than a third of NZs public service staff number. They’ve also been in business for over 100 years.
  
  The difference is competition. The public sector is a Government monopoly.
  
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  May 14, 2022 1:48pm
  - MCōs
    
    I worked the Ministry of Works for about four years, when there still was one.
    The first year at the Draughting Training Centre, so totally non productive. Of the people who went there almost all left the MOW and many went to work for private companies with a degree of taxpayer funded training behind them.
    In the meantime the MOW designed (& built) all sorts of major projects, but if you nut out the money spent and the man hours, not very efficiently.
    
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    May 14, 2022 4:02pm
kiwikidsnz

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/taxpayers_union_curia_poll_may_2022?utm_campaign=220513_tu_nwsltr_louis&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers

Good news: National ACT Govt
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May 14, 2022 12:34pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yep, but red Claire says its Luxons fault ACT has gone up, even though Nats have dropped just 1%, but the 2.5% drop by Labour has nothing to do with ACT going up
  
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  May 14, 2022 2:17pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Stuff desperately trying to spin the result for one of their major investment partners:
  
  The Taxpayers’ Union Curia Poll found National had the support of 36.8% of those polled, compared to 34.2% for Labour, 9.7% for Greens, 10.9% for ACT and 2.4% for Māori.
  
  But National’s lead over Labour is within the 3.1% margin of error for the poll.
  
  Of course that same margin of error could mean the gap is actually larger.
  
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  May 14, 2022 2:59pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The trend is your friend. The question is how much more damage can these morons do before they get the boot?
  
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  May 14, 2022 4:15pm
- rockape
  
  Good news indeed . I think the one factor I would like to see our resident experts discuss is the effect of National putting up candidates in the Maori seats. They will certainly get some votes and will they come from Labour or the Maori party will make a huge difference. If Maori don’t get an electorate seat they are toast . All National need do is put up some high calibre National Maori candidates , and there are quite a few names who fit that , and National can take votes from the Maori party and maybe gift Labour those seats that will however be at the expense of the bottom end of Labours list.
  
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  May 14, 2022 4:49pm
Benedict Yu

Emissions Reduction Plan being announced on Monday. Jacinda is “gutted” she is going to miss it. 🤯

The Budget will prioritise climate change and health.

The first is a waste of money. We have an ETS. Nothing else required.

On health, they will just poor billions into a failing system.

How depressing ☹️
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May 14, 2022 12:50pm
Swifty

After a wall to wall pile-on over the last week, I wonder if the ‘Eurasian fluff’ guy topped himself what contrition we’d see from those who piled on.

And would we see any change in behaviour in the future.
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May 14, 2022 12:50pm
Clownworld

And in breaking news Ergodan claims possible veto against Sweden and Finland joining NATO.

The world new reset is getting geared up.
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May 14, 2022 1:05pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  NATO should expel Turkey then. Problem solved.
  
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  May 14, 2022 6:16pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, and somewhat hilariously Erdogan has accused Nordic countries of being a ‘guest house for terrorists’. I suggest he look a little closer to home. Like outside his palace gates.
  
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  May 14, 2022 6:18pm
I remember when

Watch: ‘Low life’ caught on CCTV stealing charity box for sick kids: Newshub:
I thought at least he was doing it for the right reasons.
However, it turned out he was stealing it from the sick kids.
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May 14, 2022 1:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

45th and 47th POTUS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyKmLh4QIBA
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May 14, 2022 1:28pm
surfing

Sweden and Finland should have made a secret bid to join Nato.

As I see this, Russia has a window of opportunity where they can attack Finland before they officially join Nato.

Although, I wonder how stretched Russia is with the Ukraine war, whether attacking Finland is even remotely feasible. Putin is not beyond using nuclear weapons though.
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May 14, 2022 1:42pm
- kowtow
  
  Russia can’t take on the Finns or nato .
  
  Right now they can’t make way aginst Ukraine.
  
  I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a military coup in Russia as Putin is destroying the army and senior leaders in that army must know it.
  
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  May 14, 2022 1:59pm
- MCōs
  
  Why should Russia attack either of those countries?
  Putin seemed to be able to justify the invasion of Ukraine to himself, a good percentage of his people, some other countries and a smattering of boot lickers, but Finland & Sweden are another proposition.
  
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  May 14, 2022 2:58pm
  - westernScientist
    
    because if they are in a war they cant join
    
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    May 14, 2022 8:47pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Last time Russia attacked Finland they got a right pasting
  
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  May 14, 2022 6:50pm
Maggie Pie

Listen to this guy having a bleat….what a sooky-bubba!
Reckons he gets called “n****r” everyday on FB.
We call each other that at Tennis every time we play Doubles 😎

https://bit.ly/3Pg7Tzb
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May 14, 2022 2:15pm
- MCōs
  
  If the word is so inoffensive why all the asterisks?
  
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  May 14, 2022 2:43pm
  - than
    
    Otherwise it would come out of moderation looking like [censored] leading you to guess
    
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    May 14, 2022 3:23pm
- Bridgenag
  
  Sad when people don’t have a sense of humour….Can only feel sorry for them
  
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  May 14, 2022 3:57pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum called in earlier to grab a couple of ducks. We still had some left in the freezer from last year so gave her those ones.

She seemed quite excited that an old flame of hers, a guy by the name of Tony Amos, was taking over from ZB’s Bruce Russel on the ‘In-My-Day’ show.

I just googled him….strange looking fellow.
Just saying.
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May 14, 2022 4:23pm
- nathie
  
  Wot seriously, the return of Tony Amos? Now that’s good news, I’ll be tuning in!
  
  On ZB too, sheesh ~~Boring FM~~ Today FM missed an opportunity, he could have livened up their dull weekend night programming. Oh well nevermind!
  
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  May 14, 2022 6:35pm
NZer In Exile

A kick-arse interview on The Platform. Gives great insight into how this govt operates at it’s core.

Sean Plunket talks to Sir Ian Taylor about borders, business, & what has been bungled.

https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/sean-plunket-talks-to-sir-ian-taylor
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May 14, 2022 4:59pm
Prince

Someone doesn’t add up here. Could the Police be acting on instructions from HQ ?
Luxon and supporters trapped for an hour until Police arrive.
Police say ‘a small group of protestors’. Stuff Reported says 50 or 60 protestors.
So Leader of Opposition and his supporters trapped for an hour by 60 protestors, Police take an hour to turn up, and ‘no arrests were made’.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300588326/protesters-block-national-leader-christopher-luxon-inside-palmerston-north-bridge-club
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May 14, 2022 5:01pm
- krazykiwi
  
  It is 1500 meters from the Palmerston North police station to the Bridge Club. About 4 minutes by car, 19 minutes at a slow walk, or 3:28.28 by world 1500m record holder, Timothy Cheruiyot. So no urgency shown. Perhaps someone could have called in a brazen misuse of personal pronouns to really fire ‘em boys in blue up?
  
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  May 14, 2022 9:26pm
Maggie Pie

And remember earlier in the week when I posted this clip on GD?

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1523533103087587331

Now look what’s happened.
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May 14, 2022 7:42pm
westernScientist

WTF
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300588389/covid19-updated-vaccine-pass-available-soon-as-current-ones-due-to-expire-shortly

no one is using them, but we still paid for a graphic redesign. what do people think, are they dumb enough to re-introduce them?
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