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Warren

Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister was conspicuous by her absence from the media yesterday after the Government backdown over Kiwi Saver, all we heard was we were trying to fix a problem on the tax of the Super Scheme.Where was the media when the Prime Minister is trying to hide from the stupidity of her Party’s Tax grab.
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September 1, 2022 8:02am
- RoboRob
  
  The fools claimed he follolwing
  
  1) after extensive consultation we decided to tax
  2) We thought smaller KS providors would be in favour
  3) After announcing even the smaller KS schemes turned out to be against the change.
  
  Is it just me or if one did extensive consultation one would (at least) talk to KS providors. Yet here we are surpised that the were against. Lying about the consultation are we? I guess thats par for the course with these muppets.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:04am
  - cmm
    
    Extensive consultation means:
    * Cindy said something in her loudest voice.
    * Someone pointed out an error, everyone else nodded.
    * She pouted and stamped her foot.
    * Now everyone nodded.
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:24am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Politics 101 – put as much distance as possible between yourself and the stench of spineless incompetence. Throw Parker and Robo under the bus either directly or by implication. Be as nasty as possible when called on it in question time.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:10am
  - Tricati
    
    Or throw IRD and small kiwi aver providers under the bus. Those small providers Ardern said they consulted with, and they have said the government didn’t talk to them – oops, seems like another fib exposed.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:32am
    - Paulus
      
      Thought I heard that IRD did NOT support the GST move, but they take no notice of any professionals that do not meet with their ideology.
      They though that this could be tucked quietly underneath a number of changes so nobody would notice.
      Silly Boy (Girl)
      
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      September 1, 2022 1:04pm
  - cmm
    
    Leave some room under the bus for a part-time KFC worker.
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:25am
- kowtow
  
  Where was the media ?
  
  Let Trotter answer that ;
  
  “…….the members of the Press Gallery are just as much victims of the “Stockholm Syndrome” as the MPs they cover. Gallery journalists are expected by their editors to hunt as a pack – not on their own. They are also prone to being bullied by the darker variety of ministerial minion, who will threaten them with a denial of access to the key newsmakers if they step too far out of line.”
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/chris-trotter-parting-shots
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:24am
- Paulus
  
  Blaming everybody else as usual !
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:46am
  - kowtow
    
    Give him his due , bernard Hickey tells it.
    
    Show parker blaming all and sundry .
    
    I wonder if this is the shower head moment.
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/personal-finance/117429/revenue-minister-says-hes-embarrassed-furore-over-kiwisaver-tax-grab-forced
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:23am
  - Jack5
    
    Perhaps Labour woke up that the Kiwisaver services GST would poke a stick into the financial services beehive.
    
    Exemptions from GST include bank fees; “paying or collecting any amount of interest”; these financial planning fees: “services relating to implementation fees, administration fees and switching fees.”
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:35am
Yvette

What else can we do a 24 hour U-turn on?
Newshub understands the Prime Minister read the tea leaves pretty quickly on Wednesday morning and got on the phone to tell ministers to tell them to ditch it, hoping there’ll at least be some credit for the swift slaughter of a bad idea.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/08/axed-kiwisaver-tax-why-the-government-backed-down.html

So now where is the “co-governance conversation” – after being saved from the KiwiSaver Tax, they should get on to “co-governance” next!
Where is the definitive plan, the ēlite Maori response watered-down by Willie Jackson, further refined by Cabinet and simplified and sloganised by Jacinda, to start the “conversation” on “co-governance”?

The Maori elite had their targeted six months consultation, so where is the rest of the nation’s, non-Maori six month turn? Or can it be collapsed to 24 hours?

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed that public consultation on co-governance with Māori will begin later in 2022. [1]
It already is later in 2022

But – “We think the furore around this was denting public confidence in KiwiSaver,” said Parker.
When “co-governance” is defined – and it will have to mean a departure from one person one vote – it will not dent confidence in an external entity, like KiwiSaver, but Government itself?

This time – Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said they listened to providers.
“We’ve heard very clearly from them they didn’t think that’s what it would achieve and so, simple, we won’t change it.”

And previously – While I have believed in a CGT, it’s clear many New Zealanders do not. That is why I am also ruling out a capital gains tax under my leadership in the future.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112010254/government-to-make-statement-on-capital-gains-tax

Hide “co-governance” in the run-up to Christmas / New Year, Jacinda, or give us something else to grill over the BBQ

■ There is no “credit for the swift slaughter of a bad idea”
Ardern’s Labour Government must have believed in KiwiSaver GST, and Capital Gains Tax – they tried to introduce both, after all!
Then on public response swept them away.
So what they believe in, as “best for the country”, is obviously superseded by the greater belief: what is best for Labour – for its survival. No surprise there. And certainly no credit.
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[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html
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September 1, 2022 8:03am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Poll-driven fruit-cakes.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:12am
  - kowtow
    
    yer , but I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for her Media pardy to label them “Populist” .
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:25am
- Master Mariner
  
  The Question in my mind is how quick they back tracked on this.
  So where did they get this information.?
  It re afirms my conviction this Government is a reactionary Social Media Government.
  How else could you explain it?
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:36am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Maybe i’m a touch more cynical MM but perhaps we’ve just been conned by a nice little piece of political theatre!
    – Tuesday arvo tax remedial Bill introduced with a technical tax correction buried in it, conveniently it happened to give the government a lot more tax over time.
    – early Wednesday morning a “normally silent on such things” MSM’s all over it with analyses of the FMA’s modelling, Treasury impact paper conclusions,etc – poor journo’s must have beavered all night digging that all up.
    – couple of hours later the PM/revenue Minister to the rescue with a “this will not happen” – minimal waffle denials, backlash not expected, etc
    – by night fall TV’s leading news item screams “gov’t does u turn” with suitable street interviews showing ” people saying the gov’ts listening to us ” – the gov’ts a hero.
    
    Yeah – maybe i’m just a cynic for thinking this appears to be just too convenient for the PM’s /Govt’s caring image…..
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:03am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Doesn’t really stack up. It was an embarrassing show of incompetence whichever way Labour spin it.
      
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      September 1, 2022 12:24pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        About the only thing I take at face value these days is what my internet banking balance says – and that’s only because I can confirm quickly that the +/-‘s add up 🙂
        
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        September 1, 2022 12:54pm
- 2ic
  
  The Newshub reporter who wrote that article, claiming Ardern “read the tea leaves pretty quickly”, doesn’t even understand the meaning of the phrase.
  
  Reading tea leaves is about predicting the future – this was after the fact.
  
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  September 1, 2022 11:03am
  - Colville
    
    She read the tea leaves on what her polling would look like (probably after a minion seeing a Stuff comments sections and reading this blog ) an knew she would be in the shit so she pulled the handbrake. Hard.
    
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    September 1, 2022 2:27pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They are trying to say Luxon joins the U turn ban, just because he said yo Hosking that they are crazy, they will not make parliament, so of course we won’t be working with them, but he never said he would
  
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  September 1, 2022 11:29am
  - Philview
    
    The media are a joke to put out a story that says ‘Luxon does massive u-turn’
    
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    September 1, 2022 11:53am
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    No u turn from Luxon, he hadn’t stated a position on Tamaki. But really good of Thomas Coughlan to help the left supporters out in this bit in whataboutism. I think he was first off the block.
    
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    September 1, 2022 12:07pm
  - Alex
    
    G the Ghost fro Dunedin reply.
    Who is the “crazy” one here.
    Luxon claims to be in two places at once. Hawaii and Te Puke. Is he God?
    In that case he should be On Tamaki’s side.
    He could do worse, both are Christian.
    
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    September 1, 2022 7:38pm
cmm

Even Herald is now referring to KiwiSavergate as a “tax grab”.

$55M clearly doesn’t buy as much loyalty as it used to. Can’t deny that there’s inflation.
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September 1, 2022 8:06am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Either that or they realise the spending is out of control and they may be able to weasle more out of the regime before they are voted out?
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:12am
  - MCōs
    
    Apart from anything else there would have been no extra revenue from this measure before 2026; two elections hence.
    Furthermore
    For all their squawking there would have been little chance the Nats would have reversed the measure.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:01am
    - cmm
      
      WHat is remarkable here is that when you fiddle with long-term policies like Kiwisaver, pensions etc, they really cannot be addressed with short-term policies (let alone 24-hour U-turn cycles).
      
      Long term policies need to involve all parties because there will be many changes of government that need to ensure they work properly.
      
      Tampering with KiwiSaver in the way that they have is a very dumb idea.
      
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      September 1, 2022 10:31am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Have a look into the recent past when the Nat govt made some fairly serious trims in Kiwisaver.
        
        I think the last one (taxing the employer contribution) would have generated a humungous number if the compounded effect was modelled over a 50 year period.
        
        Ditto for removal of the $1000 signup and halving the tax credit …
        
        GST on the fees would have cost something like 15% (the GST rate) of 0.5% (typical level of fees I believe) = about 0.1% of the Kiwisaver deposits. Taxing the employer contribution would be something like 30% of half the total input. About 15% of what the untaxed deposit would have been.
        
        I don’t recall much fuss about any of this when it happpened. Go figure. Just saying ….
        
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        September 1, 2022 1:35pm
  - cmm
    
    Good point.
    
    When making the press release they should have said that 10% of this tax grab was going to go to journalism to promote wellbeing.
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:28am
- kowtow
  
  The target is clearly that odious little man Parker , but any decisions will have been agreed in Cabinet .
  
  No doubt her eyes will have started glazing over after the first 15 seconds of Parkers briefing and the rest of them , well who knows , they were probably dreaming of kcreamy kchocolate at the te tea break.
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:12am
  - RoboRob
    
    JA probably doesn’t even know what GST and how it works. Remember this is the leader who didn’t know what GDP was.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:06am
    - kowtow
      
      The day after she was appointed leader after the Little belittling , it was a Reserve bank interest rate meeting day . One of the Media Pack asked her what she thort .
      
      She didn’t know it was on . Now had that been a right leaning party leader the Media would have crucified them , but she got a pass from then .
      
      Two things from such a little incident ;
      
      she has never been on top of the big picture and the media party have always been heavily biased.
      
      Another example ;
      
      she was ambush asked to state the three articles , and she couldn’t . Wily Wee Willy had to prompt her .
      
      Not a bigly ,but for the fact her regime has placed so much capital in same.
      
      She’s a facade , intellectually . That’s not to say she’s not a dangerous radical with a far left agenda ,cos that’s what she is , comrades .
      
      She’s just not a bright one. And she gets constant Pass go for free cards from her poddles in the media.
      
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      September 1, 2022 10:33am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        She’s not that thick, just massively ignorant. She’s clearly lazy and never does (or did) the reading. A superficial leader for a superficial support base.
        
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        September 1, 2022 12:28pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    There was a unanimous vote in Cabinet
    
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    September 1, 2022 11:31am
- bartybart
  
  Or a clever tactic to prove they ‘listen’ and don’t put new taxes in?
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:13am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yeah – real clever
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:13am
- Simon
  
  Someone from the powerful savings industry, probably banks came up with the headline $105 billion tax grab. It was clever work. Labo dropped the tax quickly as they didnt want to proles to dwell too much on the crushing burden the general tax system is on the hard working.
  
  105 billion on a chicken shit GST bill on finance fees. Run the numbers on a general drop in GST 15% down to 10% and that is significant boost for the savings of the hard working.
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:18am
  - rouppe
    
    That would require a significant reduction in government spending.
    
    Which this government finds impossible.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:04am
  - James Stephenson
    
    I don’t think it was the “$105 billion tax grab” that scared them away from the policy. I think it was the invocation of Michael Cullen’s name and that they were undermining his creation. It’s relatively easy to bat away attacks from the opposition, but even Jacinda’s most ardent media water-carriers won’t take her side over the recently deified Sir Michael.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:57am
    - Prince
      
      She had no problem knifing Sir Michael over the Capital Gains Tax.
      
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      September 1, 2022 10:22am
  - Paulus
    
    They would go to 20% GST if they could also.
    
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    September 1, 2022 1:07pm
    - Colville
      
      I would too.
      Easy to administer and drop the lower rates on income tax to zero. Say up to $20K
      Sack half of IRD.
      Win win.
      
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      September 1, 2022 2:30pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  As with all Governments but more so the Left its all about the votes. Nothing else. Labours internal polling must be dire. So do they U turn on 3 Waters and co-governance. How much control does the Maori caucus have. I hope they dont U turn as they will spin/lie that they have listened to the people and some citizens will revert to support them maybe enough to get them across the line next year.
  Its going to be a tight race. Every vote will count.
  BTW Bolt had Winston on Sky News last night. Watcing the old bastard and what he said almost had me supporting him. He knows the hot buttons to press and when to press them. I dont write him off getting NZF back. The question is who will they support.
  On that note why dont we have the German style where the top polling party gets to decide who it goes with not the other way round. What we have is the tail wagging the dog. That for me is not democracy its the tyranny of the minority over the majority.
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:30am
- G152
  
  Very minimal reporting in the bought media.
  Almost like they want it to go away
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:43am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Poor old Stuff. Dead rats being swallowed. Had to say something about the tax debacle so tucked it well down the priority list. Ran a story about a UK fatty buying two airline seats to accommodate her large backside well ahead of the tax story so doing their best to please their paymaster.
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:56am
  - Tricati
    
    Malpass’s piece has been moved also, even though he still try’s to justify the tax, but does admit (I suspect through gritted teeth) it was handled badly.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/129735898/what-on-earth-was-labour-thinking-with-its-illadvised-kiwisaver-tax
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:37am
    - Colville
      
      Nothing written by Malpass has a comments section because he knows he would get smashed.
      
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      September 1, 2022 2:32pm
rouppe

And just as quietly, Parker is messing with fbt rules to promote “acceptable” forms of transport.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/tax-exemption-for-employer-funded-public-transport
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September 1, 2022 8:06am
- Ehlana
  
  Not really rouppe. As the first sentence points out, this proposal “helps to counterbalance existing exemptions for car parks.”
  
  The reality is that many NZ businesses are located in places where public transport isn’t an option for their staff, so they have to provide car parking. At present, they don’t have to pay FBT on this (Labour did try to bring that in, and it got shot down).
  
  But some businesses are located in places where public transport (PT) is good and providing monthly PT passes to staff would make sense. Right now, any business doing that has to pay FBT on the perk. The proposal is to remove that FBT. It should be done.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:34am
  - rouppe
    
    My life experience is that the more rules you add to something, the more likely it is that the basic premise is wrong.
    
    No one has to provide parking. Those places where there is no decent pubic transport also likely don’t have parking fees. Most businesses do not have to buy parking for any of their employees, not even the CEO. Their (taxable) remuneration should be set so they can buy their own.
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:28am
    - Ehlana
      
      I agree simplicity is usually best, especially when it comes to rules and regulations.
      
      But while there may be no legal requirement to provide parking, if your staff have no other way to get to and from work, it is a practical requirement. For example, the company I work for is in an industrial suburb and leases carparks as part of its building lease (the landlord charges an amount per park).
      
      Pretty much every business around us also provides onsite parking for their staff – there are few on-street carparks in the area, public transport doesn’t provide adequate service and there are no parking buildings either. There is no practical way for employees to buy their own parking. This situation is probably typical for most suburban and rural employers. That’s a substantial number of businesses across New Zealand.
      
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      September 1, 2022 11:16am
Maggy Wassilieff

Has all our Dear PM’s fairy dust blown away?
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September 1, 2022 8:06am
- kowtow
  
  I suspect it lies only with the die in a ditch Labour loyalists and a significant number of “she saved us types”. You still see them about , the mask in open spaces or driving alone gives them away .
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:09am
  - RoboRob
    
    Read the Stuff comments. There are plenty of ‘rather labour than National’ posts. A Labour voting friend said ~20 years ago ‘Labour might suck but you can’t trust National’. That message was all over the Stuff comments yesterday. I wonder if this is the new Labour elecction message?
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:09am
    - kowtow
      
      The comments are very heavily monitored / administered .
      
      The Media’s future depends on this regime to keep them in a job.
      
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      September 1, 2022 10:37am
      - Joely Doe
        
        Censored
        Fact Check:
        Stuffed comments are actively Censored.
        That is the correct terminology.
        
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        September 1, 2022 12:07pm
      - SoloView
        
        @ kowtow
        “The comments are very heavily monitored / administered .”
        Reading the comments re the Super/GST discussion yesterday and today someone at Stuff is in trouble if this true.
        At a glance more than 90% of comments on a number of articles were highly critical of the government.
        
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        September 1, 2022 1:27pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They are paid up nut jobs
      
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      September 1, 2022 11:34am
  - artemisia
    
    About masks outside. I spent some time in Lambton Quay this week. In the street 11 am – maybe 10% masks. In the street 12.30 – 80% masks. Not scientific but very obvious.
    
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    September 1, 2022 12:04pm
- cmm
  
  Does anyone else get the feeling she’s getting tired of this job and wants to move on?
  
  After all, being PM is not her real goal in life. It is just an inconvenient stepping stone on her way to the UN. Her sights are international, not a parochial focus on a wee backwater in the Pacific.
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:10am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I’m sceptical. She would only be satisfied with a senior role paying serious money. She is simply not equipped to undertake such a role.
    
    She is more likely to embark on a “speaking circuit” charging a hefty fee for after dinner speeches on kindness and poverdy. She can probably stretch that out for a couple of years until people tire of her.
    
    But as for a “job” running a large international programme as Helen Clark undertook, it is never going to happen.
    
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    September 1, 2022 8:21am
    - cmm
      
      I agree that Cindy is nowhere near competent at anything except maybe knowing the right amount of salt to shake on a scoop of chips.
      
      Do they really look for competence from Cindy, or just a puppet to bounce around on the end of a string?
      
      I really struggle to see Cindy pulling in the punters on the speaking circuit. She is far from being a rousing speaker. The dodgy “speaking circuit” gig like Bill Clinton did as a bag man for Hillary is not really an option available to her.
      
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      September 1, 2022 8:27am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I guess time will tell. I doubt her value will last too long. She could be back in the fish and chip shop by 2027. 😂
        
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        September 1, 2022 8:40am
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        No F&C shop would have her.
        
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        September 1, 2022 8:55am
      - rouppe
        
        The worst part is that once opportunity runs out at the UN or similar, and opportunity runs out on the speaking circuit, she will come back and run for local government, and set about ruining Auckland or some other city.
        
        Helen Clark came back at retirement age, with a sweet parliamentary pension, possibly UN pension and National Super.
        
        Jacinda will only be about 50 when her options run out
        
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        September 1, 2022 9:08am
    - artemisia
      
      Ms Ardern could easily be offered a UN ambassador style role. Deployable to selected world crisis situations to be the empathetic, relatable face of the UN, and hand over the money. She would be good at that, get high media attention. The UN will be well aware.
      
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      September 1, 2022 8:28am
    - Frank the tank
      
      In fairness not many in those roles are competent. Exhibit A – the clown running the WHO.
      
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      September 1, 2022 8:38am
    - Cassandra
      
      Spot on, Ben. She can do the circuit for a year or two, write a book perhaps?, then it’ll fizzle. A parallel with Meghan Markle and Harry Whatsit. I encourage Jacinda to do that. Soon. Today. Now.
      
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      September 1, 2022 8:55am
      - Sacha
        
        Cassandra – you beat me to it! There’s a definite similarity to Megan Markle who seems to be on an obsessive mission to bring down the British Royal family.
        I generally avoid watching or listening to Ardern, but saw the clip of her response to Sean Plunkett the other day, and was struck by her unusual behaviour and facial expressions. What is going on with her?
        
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        September 1, 2022 9:33am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      I agree with Benedict, at least in part. I know it is a meme here that she will get a UN job. However, such jobs are distributed on a pretty tight quota.
      
      Helen Clark probably used up New Zealand’s quota for the next 20 years, especially since her role was almost at the op of the UN tree.
      Yes, ex PM’s from small countries often get UN jobs, typically heading the Human Rights Commission, UNESCO or the like. Unlike Benedict, I am of the view that the PM would fit into some of these roles (which would be sufficiently senior) quite comfortably. But there are many well regarded small countries with lots of ex PM’s. Only a small percentage ever get such jobs.
      
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      September 1, 2022 11:45am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Used up NZ’s quota Wayne? And perhaps goodwill as well, I’d heard that there were some who were looking sideways at her performance, or lack thereof. Which is a bit of a surprise, as I always thought she was one of the more clever PM’s who would actually succeed in those sort of roles.
        
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        September 1, 2022 6:01pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Every year she stays in the job pays her something like $1 million to her ($550k + $10k/year for life). She’s not competent to be anything other than a ngo/quango spokesperson on much less pay, and her reputation is crumbling, so she’s not going anywhere.
      
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      September 1, 2022 12:38pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      100% agree BY. Have been of that opinion for some time.
      Public speaking is her forte, running or part of a major organisation like the UN is not her bag.
      
      Public speaking pays very well at her level, think tens of thousand of dollars plus expenses, with no real responsibility(just turn up on time) expenses and arrangements all sorted by somebody else.
      
      Plenty of spare time to play at being at home Mum
      
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      September 1, 2022 4:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She now looks like I did 2 weeks after crevical dysection and fusion twice in my neck. Grey, drawn out, exhaused, and generally not interested in anything.
    Circuit breaker soon.
    
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    September 1, 2022 8:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Cervical* C5 C6 C7
      
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      September 1, 2022 10:27am
      - mawm
        
        Discectomy?
        
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        September 1, 2022 3:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        mawn.
        https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=4+Level+Cervical+Fusion&form=IARSLK&first=1&tsc=ImageHoverTitle
        
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        September 1, 2022 4:12pm
  - Scott
    
    cmm – lots of people say that. I say no. I say this Prime Minister will have to be voted out. The people of New Zealand voted her in. The people of New Zealand will have to vote her out. She is not going anywhere.
    
    One can only hope that we will put aside covid anxiety and vote for a government with wisdom and integrity and one that loves the country they have inherited, that our ancestors laboured so hard to build. A government that doesn’t want to overturn everything in search of a utopia that will never arrive.
    
    A government that knows its place and especially knows that it is not God and does not try to make herself into some kind of Messiah.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:21am
    - Paulus
      
      When soundly beaten next year can you see her on a backbench in Parliament only being allowed to vote where and when told from above.
      
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      September 1, 2022 9:52am
  - trout
    
    Jacinda’s first move toward the door will be to announce that she will not be standing in an electorate next year (too busy etc,etc.) but will run at the top of the Party list. This will enable a quick exit.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It will be quick. The circuit breaker flips out on overload. There will be no contact or ‘news’
      Does anyone remember the whole street shut off in Tairua- residents only?
      You do not need to be in NZ to sell a house in NZ.
      Cunning as a shithouse rat.
      
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      September 1, 2022 4:21pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She was so angry and bitter in the house, her voice although it’s screeching self was occasionally breaking
    
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    September 1, 2022 11:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not fairy dust or pixie dust or any dust. It is Iron Pyrites (fool’s gold) You have been exposed Jaspinda, the magic has gone. Bye-bye.
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:43am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Dream on Maggy. Rogue-Morgan poll is due in the next few days. If my political calculations are right, Labour + Green block would have overtaken Nat+Act block. National’s popularity was increasing, then it stalled and then it started decreasing.
  
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  September 1, 2022 11:24am
Simon

All 120 MPs got that the vaxx. That isn’t democracy. It’s some sort of system pretending to be a democracy. In a properly functioning democracy then around 5 to 10 MPs would not have jaxxed up.

The system the MPs were in coerced the unwilling MPs to taking the jaxx. Some system of authoritarianism has taken over and our so called elected representatives went along with it.
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September 1, 2022 8:08am
- MCōs
  
  A principled MP would have refused and faced the consequences.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:03am
  - graham
    
    If we had a principled Prime Minister who actually meant it when she said “those who choose to opt-out won’t face any penalties at all“, and stuck to that …
    
    … and if we had a principled Government who took what she said on board, and held her to account …
    
    … then maybe a principled MP would feel more confident about following through.
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:12am
  - cmm
    
    “A principled MP would have refused and faced the consequences”
    
    Well there are no natural consequences of not getting vaxxed. There are only the artificial “consequences” of sanctions placed on people who did not.
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:39am
- RoboRob
  
  Did all 120 MPs really get the Vax? I was watching the Greens pretty closely, given their alternative medicine / anti vax mindset. Heard nothing. I would be stunned if all the Greens had actually vaxed themselves.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:11am
- Inandout
  
  Simon, did they all display a vax pass or were their medical records checked by the Speaker before entering the bear pit?
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:18am
  - RoboRob
    
    Not that I am aware of. The media were asking Nats and Act members about their status and looking for a story but I don’t recall them ever talking to the Greens (who were the most likely to be un vaxed).
    
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    September 1, 2022 11:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nobody will be forced to take the vaccine, and those who choose to opt out will not be punished.
  JA paraphrased
  
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  September 1, 2022 10:37am
  - cmm
    
    Trust a habitual liar? More fool you!
    
    C’mon Cindy lies when she doesn’t need to.
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:41am
Paulus

Not PM’s fault, it is somebody elses.
She never faults !
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September 1, 2022 8:09am
DimChappie

We knew the 3 Waters plan was a horrible mess but here lawyer Stephen Franks tells the Finance and Expenditure Select Committee how it sets out to deceive and deliver precious water rights to Maori: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9jpU_7nbSw
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September 1, 2022 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I will re listen to that later. It would be good to have a hard copy to unpack.
  Chaired by Eugene Sage – a fruitloop at the best of times.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:07am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Has Eugenie transitioned already?
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:14am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Well done.
      
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      September 1, 2022 10:55am
Nickc2

It must have, the immaculate wedding seems to be off the table at present, or will it be played as a Trump Card next election?
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September 1, 2022 8:13am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Will it be a wedding, or a second Immaculate Conception?
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:56am
  - Nickc2
    
    Even Donkeys have taste.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:07am
  - kowtow
    
    They couldn’t muster up one wise man let alone three .
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cancelled. Not delayed, not put off, not postponed, not reschedualed, not another day. Delayed, straight from Jaspinda’s mouth – unless she was lying again.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrWXhuGMNgY
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:16am
kiwikidsnz

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/New-Zealand/Singapore/Crime

(acknowledgement to Wayne Senior Fairbrother, comment on Bob Jones “Nopunchespulled”)

“Singapore, like NZ, was colonised by the British, but for a longer time, and much more harshly. Yet despite that, Singapore’s population don’t seem to use colonisation as an excuse for, and a license to commit crimes? So why is NZ so different? Food for thought. Some interesting statistics from about 10 years ago: NZ versus Singapore. With similar population size. NZ has: 58 times more serious assaults. 57 times more assaults. 57 times more burglaries. 45 times more gun crime. 31 times more drug-related crime. 27 times more vehicle theft. 11 times more drug trafficking offences. 10 times more rapes. 3 times more murders. We are crime central compared to Singapore. However, Singapore has 38 times more Police Officers than NZ”

Some additional features of Singapore:
– they will still hang you for certain crimes and cane you for lesser ones
– all Singapore males have to spend a couple of years (?) in National service (armed forces) which may instill some self discipline & community service ethos.
– 90% home ownership rate, proactively supported by Govt policies.
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September 1, 2022 8:14am
- Nickc2
  
  I totally agree. I went to Singapore many times when it was an Asian Cesspit. Now, it’s not, and its transition to one of the most prosperous independent countries in Asia in such a short period of time is a credit to Lee Kuan Yew their Prime Minister from 1959 to 1990. Yes, there were hangings and floggings etc but that’s what was needed to turn the country around.
  IMO, that sort of PM is what’s needed here but so far, I don’t see one on the horizon now or in the future.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:55am
- Taieri
  
  Yet despite that, Singapore’s population don’t seem to use colonisation as an excuse for, and a license to commit crimes? So why is NZ so different?
  ————-
  
  NZ never had its Lee Kuan Yew…
  
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  September 1, 2022 12:15pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Singapore never had a Treaty with the natives.
    
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    September 1, 2022 4:19pm
    - kiwikidsnz
      
      yes they did
      https://www.roots.gov.sg/stories-landing/stories/the-singapore-story-through-60-objects/colonial/treaty-of-friendship-and-alliance/story#:~:text=Signing%20the%201819%20Treaty%20%2D%20On,a%20trading%20post%20in%20Singapore.
      
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      September 1, 2022 9:21pm
      - Matt Long
        
        I’d be surprised if there was any treaty with the Orang Asli in Singapore, Chinese are the biggest chunk of the population followed by Malays and Indians, none of whom seem inclined to exhibit white colonial guilt.
        
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        September 2, 2022 6:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

Michael Bassett sums up our current Labour caucus:

A caucus of trade union hacks, low level lawyers and lesser bureaucrats simply rely on Labour’s ancient religion: if it moves, control it, if it makes money, tax it, and if there’s still a problem, throw taxpayers’ money at it.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-modern-labour-sticks-to-that-old-time-religion?postId=97ee51a4-d4a8-4cfe-bfc5-b415eb7e9281&utm_campaign=b8792b8a-7d65-494c-94f3-1861c85d495c&utm_source=so&utm_medium=mail&utm_content=5d50adbc-460f-44b3-ac46-b4b5a5335736&cid=97dcfc5a-d72f-4e9e-8f08-4ade510cfdc2
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September 1, 2022 8:16am
[email protected]

The Peter principle:

“Everyone in an organization keeps on getting promoted until they reach their level of incompetence. At that point they stop being promoted. So given enough time and enough promotion levels, every position in a firm will be occupied by someone who can’t do the job.”

Does this sound like the current government and its leader?
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September 1, 2022 8:17am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Yes, except it’s been exactly like that for almost 5 years. They were demonstrably incompetent (at best, corrupt at worst) from the first day they were catapulted into power by the Great Charlatan, and have if anything, gotten worse.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:16am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    In the early days they were at least trying (dumb/regressive things, and failing miserably), but now all they do is throw money around, enact radical destructive ideology driven policies to feather beds of their racist mates, hide from questions and rely on spin and corrupted media to get them through.
    
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    September 1, 2022 12:46pm
mogg

Ardern parroting her lines;
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ7Cj_6ci80
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September 1, 2022 8:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Total of 60 times! Someone once told me she is the Prime Minister of New Zealand – must have ben a lie.
  More like a Socialist Dictator.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:21am
  - glowworm
    
    I utterly reject the premise of that statement!
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:02am
    - kowtow
      
      Udderly , absoludley refudiade that .
      
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      September 1, 2022 10:19am
  - Ghost
    
    And to think the question was on “is the prime minister planing to get married before the next election”
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:06am
- Inandout
  
  mogg, watching that video isn’t it quite revealing that in the first regime with Peters there are no masks and we can read the facial expressions easily? In the present regime they are hiding their expressions behind their face attire, and apart from looking dorky, are expressionless like mannequins in a clothing store. When future generations look back at these times they will marvel at the willingness of humans to comply en masse.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  She’s pathetic.
  
  And it was truly disturbing to see that Kiri Allan has fallen into the same lazy habit.
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/08/general_debate_26_august_2022.html#comment-3233164
  
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  September 1, 2022 11:02am
  - Hard Cheese
    
    They should immediately ask the obvious followup question (as Mark Mitchell did to Poto Williams) – “why do you refute the premise of the question?”.
    
    Cue bewilderment and confusion. (Mod – corrected Poto’s name)
    
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    September 1, 2022 2:52pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING…..

You know Labors time in the sun is well and truly over when even that woke-leftard and Cindy’s biggest sycophant has finally seen the light!

“After watching Aotearoa’s superlative PM in the house today, I needed to go home and touch myself ” – Clunt Smith.

https://twitter.com/Clunt_Smith/status/1564865005824405504

(and OMG….the comments 😛 )
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September 1, 2022 8:18am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think you have the wrong one.
  
  https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://twitter.com/ClintVSmith?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor&ved=2ahUKEwimxenk9PH5AhXuAjQIHT7sDOsQ6F56BAgDEAE&usg=AOvVaw1E_UVphipZhzj1nhNsI470
  
  This is the sycophant.
  
  Your guy is a comedian.
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:27am
  - rouppe
    
    The old “speculator” line again.
    
    I’ve owned property for 30 years.
    
    Define speculator.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:15am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I’m blocked! Flattered, really.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:23am
surfing

Fijian Indian is being racially abused by a Kainga Ora neighbour….

He has previously complained to Kāinga Ora about one neighbour, who he says has made racist comments, but says he did not see any action taken by the government social housing agency.

John Tubberty, Kāinga Ora regional director for Central and East Auckland, said: “At the time of hearing from Stuff we were unaware of this incident and had not received any complaint about it.

This is model case of how government is disconnected from reality.

I certainly believe he did make a complaint as having racist graffiti sprayed on your fence is something that one would complain about.

John ‘Tubberty’ needs to get off his A and find out why his department is losing complaints! Kāinga Ora is an embarrassing disgrace.
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September 1, 2022 8:23am
- Loddenthinks
  
  They’re not so much losing them as burying them, I suspect, and the Fijian-Indian’s first mistake is being the wrong shade of brown.
  
  If he identified as a moddy he’d be listened to with much greater sympathy.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:25am
- Nickc2
  
  KO is a dungeon full of racist, vindictive, feminist vipers. Don’t believe a word they say. Any communication had with them should be CC to Megan Woods, Minister of Housing, and even then ask for confirmation of receipt for the communication.
  
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  September 1, 2022 10:10am
Benedict Yu

I started doing the stuff quiz early this morning. One of the questions was..

“Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel” True or False. To my astonishment, the answer was “True”. Of course Jerusalem is the capital.

That question has now been deleted. I’m guessing they received some correspondence. 😂
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September 1, 2022 8:35am
- Random T Person
  
  I was a bit taken aback when I got that one wrong.
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:39am
- Flossie
  
  They so often have incorrect answers. And the Herald quiz is equally bad…eg who was monarch when Churchill became PM? Choice of George 6th or Elizabeth 2nd. Guess which they gave as “correct”!
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:41am
  - Cassandra
    
    Answer is Both isn’t it?
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:03am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      No. Churchill became PM for the second time in 1951. George VI was the monarch. He died in 1952, when the current Queen became monarch.
      
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      September 1, 2022 9:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not hard to work out, even a dopey kiwi like me knows who
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:31am
  - Happy1
    
    I think the question was “who was the Monarch when Churchill first became P.M.?” The answer is George Vl. which is the answer stuff deemed correct.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:49am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      George VI was also the Monarch when Churchill became PM for the second time.
      
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      September 1, 2022 10:00am
    - Flossie
      
      No. Firstly it was a Herald quiz. Secondly they said Elizabeth was the correct answer. And as mentioned by others, George VI was King both times Churchill became PM. Of course Herald may well have corrected themselves after I did their quiz.
      
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      September 1, 2022 10:23am
Yvette

While not defending Marama Davidson it’s really interesting @jacindaardern is all hot on the cabinet manual for the first time. But when the perceived conflict of interest over Govt giving contracts to @NanaiaMahuta husband and relatives, not so much

Or the out-of-Cabinet decision (surely beyond the manual!) to ban gas and oil exploration – horse traded for Winston’s waka-jumping law, which Ardern may now use, or maybe nah …
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September 1, 2022 8:41am
- Loddenthinks
  
  She can’t afford to use the waka-jumping law as her shambles of a corrupt party would lose the resulting by-election. Bigly.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:28am
Tomtoddy

Labours utter incompetence and the frustration in the community with their poor governing has led to renewed interest in small parties and starting even more of them.

What those on the centre right who leap to start such initiatives need to get a handle on is that they take votes off the right and of every two votes they gain one goes to the left.

The madness of MMP is that parties failing to gain the threshold of 5% of the party vote or gain an electorate seat have the votes they do get effectively divided between the parties who do clear the threshold. With the four or five small parties of the centre right lining up for the next election at least 7% to 10% of all votes cast by centre right voters could end up helping the left.
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September 1, 2022 8:41am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Sorry Tom but some of us on the right have had enough of National and ACT. Their abject cowardice from 202o not to mention in February is enough for many of us to say fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me and you don’t get a third chance.
  It is time they came out now and apologised for abandoning reason and sense and their lack of ability to look at simple data (Diamond Princess anyone) and talk the cost of the governments actions long term, they knew what those were but lacked to stones to stand up to the braying media.
  That 3 mothers had more courage to stand up for their fellow Kiwis is a stain on them so we are looking at new leaders. Does Matt King make 5%, I have no idea but I know he doesn’t if I don’t lend him my vote.
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:53am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Appreciate your viewpoint, CH. You have the right to support who you wish and I agree with your sentiments over Nat and ACT and their failure at the protest.
    
    You have to weight that one time failure up against the possibility that your vote helps the left to grab another three years of incompetence and pure evil. I love my grandkids too much to allow that to happen.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:12am
    - kowtow
      
      Agreed.
      
      There’s a lot I don’t like about both , but the only chance is party vote Act party and depending where you are Nat’s for the electorate vote.
      
      It is literally about the future of the country .
      
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      September 1, 2022 10:48am
      - curry4me
        
        If the New Conservatives aren’t close to 5% at election time, I’ll hold my nose and give my party vote to the ‘freedom party’ , ACT.
        
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        September 1, 2022 12:53pm
    - Matt Long
      
      It’s not a one time failure, the Nats passed Labour’s RMA without amendments, signed the UN indigenous peoples charter, set up co- governance, spat out an absolute shit load of red tape designed to make it hard for small business under Key.
      A vote for National is a vote for more of the same.
      
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      September 1, 2022 11:03am
      - kiwimike
        
        Matt you are correct.
        It is worse, Te Tiriti is the centre piece of the National Party’s constitution….. :(read online)
        So National, with only 7 non woke MP’s are definitely not going to save us from Jacinda’s enabling of Maori Apartheid or (Tribal rule for those who can’t say the A word)
        
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        September 1, 2022 3:17pm
  - banksie
    
    This is largely how I am thinking too. Act keeps flip-flopping itself and National just doesn’t seem to adhere to it’s stated principles any more.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:16am
  - BeaB
    
    Your choice to waste your vote.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:24am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Your choice as it will likely mean a wasted vote, and even worse, possibly another three years of Lab/Greens/Maori Party government.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:43am
- Cassandra
  
  Lots of people do not understand MMP. Choose a direction you want the country to go in, find the party which best represents that, assess if it’ll make 5%, party vote. In the electorate much the same except for the 5%. Choose the candidate close to your views who has a chance of winning. Don’t vote National party, Labour electorate because s/he’s nice! Don’t waste your vote to make a point. It doesn’t!
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:02am
  - westernScientist
    
    Yep, with the slight addendum that if a candidate is likely to win another electoral seat even without the 5% party vote. Not that I really think that will be the case anywhere next time around.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:54am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Choose a direction you want the country to go in, find the party which best represents that..”
    
    Agree. For me that is ACT. I doubt it will surpass National in my lifetime, but it could get to 15 percent which would give it much leverage.
    
    I remember when ACT was stuck on 1 percent and there were many folk commenting here saying it would never get more than that. Things change.
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:19am
Benedict Yu

How depressing. If these Auckland mayoral candidates think climate change is their defining challenge, Auckland is doomed.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-body-elections/129704834/climate-change-the-big-issue-for-leading-auckland-mayoral-candidates-in-stuff-debate

I would love to see a journalist ask “New Zealand has an Emissions Trading Scheme with a binding cap that will allow New Zealand to meet its international commitments. Given that, why does the Auckland Council need to worry about climate change?”

Watch their heads explode 🤯.
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September 1, 2022 8:44am
- rouppe
  
  Read the bio papers for my son’s school board elections.
  
  Every single one started with a Te Reo greeting. It’s like it’s mandatory now.
  
  Then there’s the person who is focused on diversity and inclusion. Crossed that one out.
  
  And the one whose bio was 50% Te Reo, and experience was all on Maori boards and trusts. You know his focus isn’t going to be on non-Maori, so crossed that one out.
  
  Fortunately there were enough options that were focused on student excellence (no matter their ethnicity) and developing high standards of behaviour
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:21am
- kowtow
  
  Plenty of Dunedin candidates listing cc and engaging with “mana whenua” as priorities .
  
  Nothing about poo pipes or rates controls .
  
  High profile and will be re elected .
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Those on the so called “right” need to be locked in a room and do some intense debating. Come up with one candidate to beat Collins. Otherwise we get a Mayor much worse than Goof, and a Mayor who plays the race card (he has already done it)
  Those idiots must know that if the vote is split Collind wins by default.
  Or are they all closet Socialists too?
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:44am
  - Paulus
    
    The Mayor only has one vote – the Auckland Councillors are almost to a person are well know left wingers.
    It is the Executive who make the decions along with their outside lobby groups anyway – as usual.
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:02am
- Bullion
  
  Council’s have to worry about adapting/building resilience to affects of climate change, and provide equitable solutions to impacts of ETS for instance planning (where people will live and work), and how people get around etc.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:58am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    They do need to plan for adaptation over the next 40 years but there is a lot of time and it will not be ad bad as you think.
    
    As for “equitable solutions” I don’t get it. They need to provide the infrastructure that people want at modelled carbon prices. And in most New Zealand cities, private motor vehicles will continue to dominate. As cars become more fuel efficient and we switch to hybrids and EVs, high carbon prices will not drive a big switch to PT and cycling. Never going to happen. Cycling has a commuting mode share of about 2 percent. In 1980 it was 4 percent. Let’s say it gets back to 4 percent by 2030. You think that will save the world.
    
    Councils have the entire “emissions problem” arse about. They are trying to bully/bribe people into doing what they think is required to fix climate change. It is like trying to level a mountain by pushing a piece of string up it.
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:25am
    - rouppe
      
      Precisely.
      
      People seem to forget that NZ contributes about 0.6% of global greenhouse gas emissions. We could eliminate every living thing in this country and – because of volcanic and geothermal activity – reduce global emissions by maybe 0.1 or 0.2%
      
      Clearly a waste of resources.
      
      Stop building on flood plains. Increase sewage and storm water capacity. Go hard on any cross-pipe infractions. Improve water quality and drinking water capacity
      
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      September 1, 2022 10:35am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        On that basis, no country would do anything about climate change since they all only contribute a portion of total greenhouse gases.
        
        Of course you already know that. You don’t actually want any country to do anything about climate change because you don’t think humankind is a contributor to climate change in any event.
        
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        September 1, 2022 11:52am
      - kowtow
        
        Wayne
        
        Seriously , cc is a naturally occuring phenomenon .
        
        No country can do anything about it.
        
        This is the biggest scam , distraction . A nonsense.
        
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        September 1, 2022 12:56pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        @Wayne, a commitment to match the big emitters (say the global average) would suffice. In fact the biggest contribution NZ can make is research into reducing agricultural emissions.
        
        But I agree with BY, there are far more urgent problems to address and no sign of useful activity on them.
        
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        September 1, 2022 3:06pm
  - kowtow
    
    What affects of climate change ?
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:51am
- Interested Party
  
  For the first time this I’ve focused on the mayoral candidates, so watched that debate. Collins definitely stated that it was is number one issue, the others went along in that it needed to be considered as an issue, but I think in today’s political climate they can’t afford to completely ignore it. They had different answers, and different approaches. Lord clearly stated the 2030 and 2050 targets were not achievable. I think it’s more how Stuff chose to frame the debate, rather than all candidates believing it was the main issue
  
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  September 1, 2022 10:37am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Need representation more of the ilk of Montgomery Burns:
  “Oh, so Mother Nature needs a favour?
  Well maybe she should have thought of that when she was besetting us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys!
  Nature started the fight for survival and now she wants to quit because she’s losing.
  Well I say ‘hard cheese’. ”
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCZ4j9Y0Jfk
  
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  September 1, 2022 11:52am
Maggie Pie

Seems $TUFF just can’t help themselves….. stirring up shit.
Everyone knows the property referred to in this story, whilst it may well fall inside the GZ, is located more towards the border with Meadowbank.

https://stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/129731219/racist-graffiti-scrawled-over-familys-remuera-home
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September 1, 2022 8:57am
Tony Stuart

I don’t know if anyone else saw Dr Deborah Russell’s bizarre speech during yesterday’s General Debate, but three of her words have been immortalised on video!

https://twitter.com/dunnersbuddy/status/1564867413018939392
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September 1, 2022 8:59am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  She is a PhD and meant to be an economic expert
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:09am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Her masters and Doctorate were in Philosophy.
    She was less than 10 years an accountant.
    Followed by academia and being a policy wonk.
    
    Sorry. no way an economic expert
    
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    September 1, 2022 4:36pm
- Opie
  
  And that is someone who is paid 200k of taxpayer money per year to do what?
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:10am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Dressed in black. Mourning present and coming losses??
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:16am
- Loddenthinks
  
  That. Is. Gold.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hope it sticks and we can repeat it – including the acting
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A Doctor should not forget their meds
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:51am
- rouppe
  
  A Doctor of what?
  
  Political Philosophy.
  
  I believe Giovanni Gentile was also a philosopher
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:58am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Yes he was rouppe. And a socialist.
    
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    September 1, 2022 6:30pm
Its only I

The first of September.
All of us in tourism are quietly working quietly in the background preparing for the new season. The last desperate charge with a broken army…

We have more accomodation bookings for the start of the season than anytime in the covid years so far…just need to hold our nerve for one more summer….

Sadly, we all have a genuine fear this Labour gov will fuck it all up and end us…just look at that dribbling simpleton, un fit for purpose, Nash, anytime he attempts to work his tourism portfolio he looks just like someone having trouble finding his way out of a paper bag… there is no bag!
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September 1, 2022 8:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda is far from finished fucking NZ over. She sees the writing on the wall and will go out in true wrecking ball style
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:54am
Hugh Jarse

Just raising another aligned subject, which is a potential to try and regenerate Labour. In terms of succession I don’t think they have anyone. The only likely candidates would be Nanaia, Angry, Robertson, Wood or Chippie. All tainted. I think Labour have just got to try and keep her or if she goes put in place a placeholder through to the election ?
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September 1, 2022 9:13am
Benedict Yu

This is getting out of hand:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/129643416/kpiti-coast-community-board-candidates-donated-to-worked-for-antivax-groups
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September 1, 2022 9:16am
- kevn
  
  @BY… The puerile old ‘anti vax’ label.
  More like: ‘wary of the experimental proven to be useless and dangerous jab’.
  Anything from Stuff is slanted, got to keep the loan/bribe gravy train going.
  Keep to the paid for narrative.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:44am
- JJ56
  
  Think I’ll start a Website dedicated to listing candidates who read Stuff and are therefore unsuitable for office.
  
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  September 1, 2022 10:12am
- oldfella
  
  BY: stuffed helps out with their cartoon today.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/114832273/jim-hubbard-cartoons
  I guess they couldn’t find anything mockable in the Kiwisaver fiasco. //
  
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  September 1, 2022 10:36am
- Ross Campbell
  
  Just because you don’t like the story does not mean it is not true.
  People are free to take defamation proceedings if they think the content is false but interesting no one has yet.
  
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  September 1, 2022 11:21am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Sometimes I don’t know if your posts are willfully obtuse, or you simply can’t comprehend what other people might be concerned about, or just plain lazy trolling & strawperson posting.
    
    I don’t think the implication is that it is not true, but that Stuff is going after a particular set of people for their beliefs.
    (Wrongthink)
    Why not people who have funded Islamist charities, or attended women’s-rights (‘TERF’) events, or maybe they are closeted gay, but currently have a family, perhaps they attended a protest of some sort in the 70s (or where on the wrong side of the Springbok tour).
    Maybe they are New Agers, or drink their own pee? Perhaps don’t recycle plastics? They got drunk and blew raspberries at a McDonalds employee? Maybe they hold stocks in companies that are not Green?
    
    I think it is more about the loaded ‘exposé’, which seems more like a McCarthy-style exercise/very selective, rather than informing the public.
    i.e. Activism dressed up as journalism.
    
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    September 1, 2022 12:49pm
    - Ross Campbell
      
      I think I’m more pointing out the inconsistencies in the arguments on here.
      Posters are constantly harping on about openness and transparency but when this same standard is applied to current favourites suddenly it’s bad.
      If Stuff was doing an expose on climate change activists people on here would be cheering them on saying finally some proper journalism blah blah but now it’s a witchhunt because VFF and other anti vax have many sympathisers on here.
      If you think pointing this out is trolling then so be it.
      
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      September 1, 2022 1:14pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “If Stuff was doing an expose on climate change activists people on here would be cheering them on…”
        
        I cannot speak for others. However if you mean me, you are dead wrong.
        
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        September 1, 2022 2:01pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “it’s a witchhunt because VFF and other anti vax have many sympathisers on here.”
        
        I really need to make this point, because you seem to be totally misreading my concerns. It is not the role of the media to track down and vilify anyone who is standing for public office, regardless of their views.
        
        I suggest you learn from history.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
        
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        September 1, 2022 2:04pm
      - Ross Campbell
        
        Sorry but pulling out McCarthyism is just a strawman.
        McCarthy labelled people communists with no supporting evidence i.e just an accusation.
        Stuff have written a factual article regarding someones background and affiliations i.e not just a baseless accusation.
        Two totally different things.
        
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        September 1, 2022 2:42pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  I hope this backfires – as anyone Stuff considers unfit has irritated the right people; as long as they seemed otherwise in any way sensible they would get my vote!
  In principle I would rather support someone who stands up to the centre and distrusts the current authority, than one who is on-board with ‘the message’.
  
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  September 1, 2022 12:04pm
- curry4me
  
  So, the Kapiti Coast locals have got two keepers to vote for. I guess neither of them were prattling on about ‘climate change’?
  
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  September 1, 2022 1:03pm
Gravelroad

Mike Hosking on newstalkzb this morning, made the comment that duly elected governments have the right to put forward proposed legislation such as Three Waters and He Puapua.
And voters, in a working democracy, have the right to question and disagree with those policies.
Except – here in New Zealand now, people who question and disagree with this government are likely to be investigated, judged and shut down.
Let the residents, ratepayers and taxpayers decide whom to vote for. I don’t need politically aligned media people to tell me – thanks all the same.
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September 1, 2022 9:20am
banksie

So Sean Plunket this morning got confirmation from Immigration NZ that they did liase with Interpol over information on Avi Yemini. Which makes the leaked email reported by theBFD seem quite credible now.

Which means we now exist in a country where, at the very least, the civil service is now vetting your politics for entry into the country. At the worst we have had directives from parliament to refuse people on purely political grounds.

Not sure which alternative I find more disturbing.
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September 1, 2022 9:21am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Indeed. Jacinda said she knew nothing about it. How about she finds out? She could direct the Public Service Commissioner to undertake an inquiry. The Public Service Act provides him with far reaching powers to investigate. He would uncover whether these officials were acting on their own initiative or whether they had been instructed by Ministers to take such action.
  
  Remember in 2017 there was a “Minister for Open Government”?
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018624046/how-open-and-transparent-is-the-new-government
  
  Then she was sacked for not being open and transparent 🙂
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/clare-curran-sacked-from-cabinet-pm-jacinda-ardern-announces/45YBPK6VVHD4UMLSXDNMDXQHV4/
  
  Do we bow have a Minister for Open Government, or did that go the way of Kiwibuild?
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:54am
  - banksie
    
    Sean has committed to asking the PM directly next post-cabinet meeting, assuming he doesn’t get any further answers from Police about this.
    
    The answer will be all spin of course but I am glad he is going to ask the question. We need more journalists doing the same.
    
    And yeah – as soon as they said they would be the most open and transparent government you know full well that they simply wouldn’t be. Kinda an inevitable political consequence really that such statements lead to proof that the opposite applies.
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:34am
  - Prince
    
    Are you sure she said she knew nothing about it ?
    Her usual modus operandi is to say she has ‘seen’ nothing about it, which is not surprising as her office instructs everyone not to put anything in writing.
    
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    September 1, 2022 10:38am
  - vant
    
    Watch the interview interview when she said she knew nothing about the Yemini case. She’s so condescending and arrogant and acts like a spoilt brat. It’s beyond me that anyone likes her at all.
    
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    September 1, 2022 11:27am
    - I remember when
      
      Certainly not the ‘kind’ of expressions that suggest ‘caring.’
      
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      September 1, 2022 11:48am
- Nickc2
  
  It was only hidden (censored) in NZ. Andrew Bolt broadcast it for all to see in Aust via his Sky News Aust show.
  IMO, Cindy’s lying as usual. Her minders would have been in the picture from the start and if they failed to inform her (which I seriously doubt), she should hold them to account, which she isn’t.
  
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  September 1, 2022 12:15pm
surfing

Government Daily reality disconnect # 2…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rotorua-mcdonalds-fenton-st-employs-security-guards-after-issues-with-unruly-people/K7KP3GY6EHSTNJDAVNR5MPALJE/

Homeless have been destroying the Rotorua CBD for several years now… Maccas now has security guards to shoo off the homeless.

What does the govt say…
“In response, Ministry of Housing and Urban Development spokesman Tony Wallace said he was concerned to hear about the situation at McDonald’s.”

This guy has been living in lala land if he thinks this problem just started. Absolute disconnect between reality and his comfy Wellington office chair.
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September 1, 2022 9:22am
- Benedict Yu
  
  My advice to prospective tourists (and I do get asked) would be to avoid Rotorua. If they really want to visit, I would say visit Mount Tarawera. It is quite an experience IMO. Then I would tell them to arrive at Rotorua Airport early in the morning. Get picked up to do the tour. Back to the airport to fly out in the evening.
  
  Alternatively find some nice place to stay well out of town that is fully catered with transfers to the airport. Under no circumstances stay in the city itself.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:47am
- I remember when
  
  Two friends who had businesses in Rotorua long before the present homeless housing and covid problems, expressed concerns about crime.
  It has been a steadily growing problem with the central city a known hotspot.
  Care was always suggested in this area at nighttime.
  
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  September 1, 2022 11:41am
- Nickc2
  
  Another shiny arse sucking off the public purse while doing fuck all. Just imagine, with co-governance there’ll be another layer of the same incompetence on top of these clowns.
  
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  September 1, 2022 11:58am
BeaB

RNZ talked about everything but the KiwiSaver tax u-turn. You’d think it was just a minor blip if you relied on RNZ for news.

So Jacinda got it wrong and then put the blame on everyone else. What an incompetent, arrogant, dishonest mob she leads.
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September 1, 2022 9:30am
Benedict Yu

This caught my eye.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/129723725/hundreds-of-deaths-on-school-grounds-since-2019-startling-and-alarming

However, when you read the article, there is no context. There are about 800,000 school kids in New Zealand. The article says there have been 360 deaths since 2019, so about 100 per year. Is that a lot? Has it been increasing? How does it compare internationally? No idea.

Just this:

“Secondary Principals’ Council chairperson Kate Gainsford said these were “startling figures”, with their prevalence underscoring the need for schools to get their responses to traumatic events right to prevent further harm.”

Really? Nothing in the article to suggest that it is “startling”. The death rate is about 0.01 percent annually.

What I did discover – which would have been useful context in the story, is that New Zealand has the highest mortality rates for young people in the OECD. The journalist could have explored the causes of New Zealand’s high death rate of young people (suicide, violence, car accidents).

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/kerre-woodham-mornings/audio/nathan-wallis-new-zealand-ranks-bottom-of-developed-countries-on-youth-mortality-rates/

We then get an ad for the Ministry of Education, complete with word soup.

“Ministry of Education hautū (leader) of operations and integration Sean Teddy said challenges can arise when messages about an incident were posted on social media, reaching large volumes of people at speed.”

*** “reaching large volumes of people at speed” ***

Looks like illiteracy extends to the upper tiers of the Ministry of Education.

I think he meant:

“quickly reaching many people”

And the “challenge” for the Ministry of Education should not be about people posting about deaths on social media. It should be understanding why children are dying and figuring out how to tackle the problem. Instead, we get a “hautū” in the Ministry of Education worrying about the kids posting to Facebook that another kid has killed himself.

BTW my guess is that said “hautū” is payed somewhere north of $400K annually.
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September 1, 2022 9:35am
- MCōs
  
  Pre covid-19 a boy at my son’s school collapsed with a heart attack right there on the classroom floor.
  The boys managed to get his heart going again and an ambulance was called, but a second attack was fatal.
  His heart had been damaged by rheumatic fever and, to put it bluntly, he didn’t stand a chance.
  
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  September 1, 2022 12:48pm
Alex

A phenomen known as HIMARS O’clock seems to be happening to Russian ammunition supplies when they spontaneously combust.
But will Russia attack the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant if Kherson retaken by Ukraine?
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September 1, 2022 9:37am
- Ra Henare
  
  I suggest you stop drinking that cool aid.
  It seems to have removed your ability to discern propaganda from reality 🙂
  
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  September 1, 2022 4:49pm
Tom Hunter

Time for a few laughs. This has a real Flight of The Conchords vibe to it: My mind is going blank now, starring you-know-who.
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September 1, 2022 9:46am
Yvette

ardernity – the time it takes to define “hate speech” or introduce a “nation-wide conversation” on “co-governance”
jacinders – a policy that has crashed and burnt in just 24 hours
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September 1, 2022 9:52am
- kevn
  
  @Yvette… At 1pm I always thought of them as ‘cinders and ash.’
  
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  September 1, 2022 11:28am
BeaB

Great entertainment to be had following the frantic spinning by Labourites as they screech into reverse .
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September 1, 2022 9:55am
surfing

Government Daily reality Disconnect # 3…

https://www.nbr.co.nz/unabridged/zespri-worker-shortage-the-path-to-recession/

The quality of Zespri kiwifruit this year is poor, seriously affecting earnings.

It is entirely the governments fault for refusing to allow workers into the country. Zespri growers had to use inexperienced (and less motivated) labour to pick their fruit.

Zespri warned the government , cried out for help even, govt ignored them, now zespri farmers are smashed! Disconnect #3.
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September 1, 2022 10:04am
slightlyrighty

One can only imagine the scrutiny that Parker will be under from the 9th Floor after yet another high profile failure that has embarrassed Robbo and the Queen.

I also imagine that Sharma might want to whisper in his ear “Told you so!”
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September 1, 2022 10:06am
- Prince
  
  I doubt there will be much scrutiny. Ardern doesn’t do that sort of leadership. With all the stuff ups across multiple portfolios, very few are moved on (Clark), and even fewer are publicly reprimanded.
  
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  September 1, 2022 10:43am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    David Clark was demoted once already, Poto Williams was moved aside from a portfolio she failed in, as was Phil Twyford, Meka Whaitiri, Claire Curran, Ian Lees-Galloway and Kris Fa’afoi.
    
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    September 1, 2022 11:25am
- I remember when
  
  At least David Parker knows that when you get something wrong you admit it.
  Is he the only one able to demonstrate this skill?
  
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  September 1, 2022 11:29am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    But he did still try to blame everyone else.
    
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    September 1, 2022 2:52pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

sudden & unexpected deaths on the rise. wonder why? insurance companies paying out well above expectations? any interest from media? crickets…. https://palexander.substack.com/p/excess-all-cause-mortality-deaths
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September 1, 2022 10:29am
I remember when

How have the last couple of weeks gone for governmental transparency, the most transparent government EVER?
Stopped two overseas journalists at the border by using unlawful police intervention.
Concealed legislation introducing changes to Kiwisaver taxes.
Nothing to see there then!
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September 1, 2022 10:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Stopping any public scrutiny of Health Authority meetings
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/129730682/new-health-authority-accused-of-operating-in-secret-over-closeddoor-meetings?rm=a
  
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  September 1, 2022 11:24am
surfing

Government disconnect # 4…

Road to zero… Brendan Bisley of Tauranga council who pretends to be a traffic expert, just sent me a letter that they are removing right hand turns from side streets onto main roads in my area….citing road to zero as the reason.

This is hugely inconvenient, there has never been an accident at the right hand turn near me… yet, they’re going to block them.

Brendan Bisley is the same turkey who thinks it is a good idea to turn main streets into cul-de-sacs.

People be afraid if Brendan Bisley gets a job at your local council. He is a menace to city traffic.
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September 1, 2022 11:08am
- kevn
  
  @Surf… Councils are full of lemon staff.
  
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  September 1, 2022 12:23pm
- Yvette
  
  surfing – unless Brendan Bisley of Tauranga council stands in another city, he may be staying where he is, as Tauranga does not have the democratic opportunity this time around to vote for anyone to council – the city is presently run by Government commissioners, I understand.
  
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  September 1, 2022 12:32pm
Lee C

This just means that should they win the next election, they will pass it without telling us first.
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September 1, 2022 11:10am
I remember when

More room for rivers: NZ Farmers Weekly.
Some riverbeds could be widened as part of the overhaul of flood protection.
Councils are spending about $200 million a year maintaining and building new defences, but with peri-urban expansion and aging infrastructure, more investment is needed.
Basically the problem is not really too much water but it’s too much gravel.
Our iconic braided rivers are unique in the world and an integral part of the Canterbury landscape.
Some rivers have been strangled by flood protection works and will not deal with frequent heavy rain events.
Schemes designed to protect farmland are now required to provide protection for peri-urban development, such as those adjacent to the Ashley, Waimakariri and Selwyn rivers.
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September 1, 2022 11:23am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  There are slowly moving waves of gravel creating high spots vulnerable to flooding in braided rivers, historically councils would require any gravel supplies to be taken from those high spots to diminish that risk, but I understand modern green idiocy ended that practice for usual insane reasons (ie you must not touch anything in the river, it’s unnatural!!)
  
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  September 1, 2022 5:36pm
- MCōs
  
  Those braided rivers used to wander round wherever they pleased once upon a time.
  About fifty+ years ago when I worked for the MOW in Timaru we did a quick survey of the road between Hinds and Ashburton, which is fairly typical across the plains and there was a variation in height above sea level of about a foot.
  A while back the Waimakariri River was known to flow the other side of Christchurch.
  
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  September 1, 2022 7:08pm
Takere

Speaking of the second coming of ….

Co-governance undermines the purpose of Acts of Parliament legislation and the purpose of the Acts Powers and Authorities for a Democratic Society by handing those Powers and Authorities to unelected groups of people. By doing so it circumvents any scrutiny by the public and any interested parties.
For example, Making decisions in a closed meeting becomes the norm, councils do that more and more these days. Or, appointing people or groups or organisations to do certain work(s) or projects without a proper budget or the allocation of those financial resources that have not been budgeted for.

The Hauraki Gulf Forum is a perfect example of this co governance bs.

A quazi board of six or seven councillors and the same number of Maori reps who are unelected. Who are in disagreement over the real purpose and function of the HGF? But, the co-leadership of Pippa Coom and a token Maori wahine are wanting to claim a mandate for the people of Auckland by getting Wellington, the Government to acknowledge them as a representative body for the Hauraki Gulf, Tikapa and 20 Coastal Regional Parks and Reserves that they are currently trying to steal off the ratepayers of Auckland by including those Parks and Reserves in the ‘scope’ or coverage and control by creating new Legislation for a new Hauraki Gulf Marine Act that also hands to them the Powers and Authorities for, Wildlife, Marine Traffic/Transport, Parks and Reserves Act, and other Act(s) carve-outs.
By doing this, they, a co-governance body will be able to control everything from on land, sea, and air, over and under the Hauraki Gulf and Tikapa/Firth of Thames.

And who orchestrated, and designed this coup detat of the Hauraki Gulf you may wonder?

A little guy whose full-time job for Auckland Councils eke Panuku, Paul Majurey! Yup! Him again. You know, the one I’ve been telling you all about for a while. The guy with many side hustles. Iwi treaty settlements, development gigs with a company called Ockham and lots of high court action for disputed land claims and with other developers, iwi and from Matakana in the north to Matakana in the south, with Tauranga iwi. If you control all the habours from Auckland meaning the Port(s) of Auckland, Manukau, Firth of Thames and Tauranga as well as the assets of 12 Hauraki iwi too from Mai Matakana ki Matakana and then have influence of a co-governance board for all of the Hauraki, BINGO!

The little ‘napoleon’ from Thames can crown himself the King of Tamaki Makaurau and the Hauraki and the little village of Thames.
Within three Treaty Settlements, the Pare Hauraki, Marutuaha and 12 individual Settlements, Majurey has scored big time! Assets and finances of all those iwi amount to a billion or two at a conservative estimate.

So, this is just one example of how one guy can play the game better than most people can imagine.

Oh! And …. https://majureysmoves.wordpress.com/home/treaty-settlement-disruptor/

Yes. Him again!
You have to wonder. Where is Paul Majurey getting finance from for the $850m-$1b of Housing Developments?
He can’t be using any of the Hauraki iwi assets in the Treaty Settlements that he negotiates, as those settlements are still not signed off by Parliament.
He can’t leverage or use it as collateral for finance can he?
Those outstanding Treaty Settlements are valued we’ll over $500m but probably more.
Where is the money coming from to fund his share of the Ockham Marutuahu partnership?

https://majureysmoves.wordpress.com/home/something-fishy-ockham-marutuahu/

Oh! One more thing whilst I remember.

Majurey is the chairman of eke Panuku who also is a director or chair of 27 companies related to development, construction, Housing, iwi, finance and investment amongst other roles. His oversight is by Efeso Collins on behalf of Auckland Council.
With Majurey holding so many roles that are in conflict with most of the agenda items and matters that comes before the board, he spends most of his time out of the room when board meetings are held because of the conflicts of the many interests he has. It’s probably not worth having him as chairman or even involved with eke Panuku because of all of his conflicting interests??

https://majureysmoves.wordpress.com/home/business-power/
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September 1, 2022 11:28am
- Nickc2
  
  Opponents of Efeso Collins should be shouting this stuff from the rooftops!
  
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  September 1, 2022 11:44am
  - Takere
    
    Watch these 4 short videos that will explain his MO.
    
    ‘How to get rich quick’.
    https://youtu.be/1P55V4mtisU
    
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    September 1, 2022 12:08pm
- surfing
  
  Majurey is one of the new chiefs of New Zealand… empowered and enriched by the taxpayer as opposed to having any creative ability.
  
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  September 1, 2022 12:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Mike Tyson says his expiry date is coming close.
Here he is interviewed by Alex Jones (27 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPS-I1n_SOs&t=1367s
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September 1, 2022 11:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

North Europeans buying up NZ Farms for Forestry

Furniture store IKEA’s parent company Ingka Investments is continuing to buy land to plant trees with its latest purchase, the Huiarua and Matanui Stations in the Gisborne region with a combined area of just over 6000 hectares.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/473898/overseas-firms-buy-more-sheep-beef-farms-for-forestry-conversion

Last year, Ingka Investments – a subsidiary of Ingka Group, the largest retailer of Ikea home furnishings – purchased 5500ha at Wisp Hill in South Otago for its forestry programme.

As well as that, last month it also was granted Overseas Investment Office approval to buy 1118ha in Koneburn Rd, Gore.

It also had two other properties in Central Hawke’s Bay.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/ingka-investments-intends-to-be-a-good-neighbour-in-nz/AJ6RDXZDYMCTQNJVL2HS43LGYY/
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September 1, 2022 11:35am
- surfing
  
  My armchair “definitely not an expert” thoughts on this are that the buyers are taking advantage of carbon credits and converting productive land into non-productive land. I don’t know if trees will ever end up being more productive than dairy after accounting for carbon credits, but I would think not.
  
  Is this government daily disconnect #6?
  
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  September 1, 2022 12:16pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It’s terrible for NZ. These Green indulgences take productive land that creates jobs and export earnings, and render it fallow, even dangerous with the added fire risk of the pinus radiata monoculture. They are growing trees that will never be pruned, and will, in the end, be effectively worthless. And unless they are bulldozed into landfill once grown they are not actually doing anything useful to reduce atmospheric CO2.
  
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  September 1, 2022 2:21pm
  - Colville
    
    hmmm…
    
    I believe F360 manage at least one of their forests in Hawkes Bay and F360 dont believe in unpruned/shit trees (they want management fees afterall) so they will be for timber.
    
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    September 1, 2022 3:05pm
    - westernScientist
      
      they are radiata, they are shit trees no mater what you do to them. Its also worth noting the the breeders have done a reasonable job over the last 60 years to breed trees that dont perform that much better with punning and the costs of doing so are higher, if companies can even get the labour to do it, and those costs have to be carried for at least another 15 years, even at a really low discount rate of like 3% thats still a lot of premium that has to be expected to be paid for the higher grade at end of life.
      
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      September 1, 2022 3:33pm
Maggie Pie

Rod follows me on twitter…..he is such a dag!! 😛

https://twitter.com/rodstewart/status/1565017761591484416
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September 1, 2022 11:38am
- MCōs
  
  I doubt it
  
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  September 1, 2022 11:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lefties are born without a sense of humour, and it can not be installed
  
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  September 1, 2022 12:15pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Don’t even wurry about it Steve.
    I’ve been part of the Rod-Stewart-Fan-Club for over 20 years and he tweets us regularly.
    
    (Cossie still thinks Helen Clarke is some sort of celebrity!) LOL!!
    
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    September 1, 2022 12:33pm
    - mogg
      
      Maggie, Brenda Lee, Fats Domino, John Lee Hooker -yes, but Rod Stewart ??
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8mix3gmzPa0
      
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      September 1, 2022 1:25pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTDkW9UxjkQ
The Everlovin Left Practice What They Preach.
Assaulted by a far-left activist right in front of four cops at least and they did nothing…even when I appealed to them to do something, In fact, the Police end up protecting the perpetrator from me the victim. What gives eh? [7:47]
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September 1, 2022 12:28pm
- MCōs
  
  https://tenor.com/view/football-dive-soccer-flop-drama-queen-gif-21054133
  
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  September 1, 2022 1:16pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG8M3jFQZuI
NPC University Season 5 Episode 1.

Student loan forgiveness might not buy a lot of votes for Brandon after all. [2:11]
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September 1, 2022 12:29pm
oldfella

If you wonder how $tuffed seems to have lost its way, this article explains a lot.
Stuff crowns itself the arbiter of truth —
The media site’s grip on “facts and science” is selective and shaky.
https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/stuff-crowns-itself-the-arbiter-of-truth
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September 1, 2022 12:38pm
- graham
  
  “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes”
  
  The media love to hold others to account; however, who holds the media to account?
  
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  September 1, 2022 1:24pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    So who do you think should?
    
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    September 1, 2022 1:33pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      The marketplace. IF they are fit for purpose they do not need subsidies or vast govt advertising spend. They will instead service the interests of their readers
      
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      September 1, 2022 2:25pm
      - Swifty
        
        Very well said UN.
        
        Exactly the same as every other toiler in NZ trying to make a buck.
        
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        September 1, 2022 5:21pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    The accountants at Labour Party HQ hold the media to account.
    
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    September 1, 2022 4:17pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Stuff’s grip on honesty and integrity is even shakier. Disgraceful bunch of hypocrites.
  
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  September 1, 2022 3:27pm
Surely Knott

MOH are distancing themselves from young Dunedin man’s death by claiming they updated vaccinators in August via a letter.

*Rory Nairn, 26, received the vax on Nov 5, died at home on November 17 after receiving his first dose of the Covid-19 Pfizer vaccine.

My question is on the weekend when the general public over 50 were eligible for vaccines our household received an MOH flyer. Did this flyer go out to every household in NZ? Mass vaccination events were happening in July, so i believe it must have been the July version of the leaflet which went to every household in the country . The July version doesn’t contain any serious adverse events. They say it’s safe and effective. They add myocarditis as a risk to the flyer in a mid August version, but how many of the August version were printed and how many households was it sent to.

Covid 19 Flyer What to Expect, July 28 2021. (brochure July on way back machine).

“Safety
Medsafe only grants consent for a vaccine to be
used in New Zealand once they are satisfied it’s
safe and effective enough to use. All COVID-19
vaccines will go through the same safety test and
must meet the same robust standards. ”
(( They never say it is only “provisionally approved” by medsafe.))

“Potential side effects
Like all medicines, the vaccine may cause side
effects in some people. These are common, are
usually mild and don’t last long and won’t stop
you from having the second dose or going about
your daily life.
The most common reported reactions are pain at
the injection site, a headache and feeling tired or
fatigued.
Muscle aches, feeling generally unwell, chills,
fever, joint pain and nausea may also occur. This
shows that the vaccine is working. These are more
commonly reported after the second dose.
Some side effects may temporarily affect your
ability to drive or use machinery.
Serious allergic reactions do occur but are
extremely rare. Our vaccinators are trained to
manage these.”

((They only mention allergic reactions as a serious risk. No serious adverse risks (myocarditis, stroke, heart attack, neurological, death are given))

The booklet entitled “Everything you need to Know” is even worse.

“Is the vaccine safe?
All COVID-19 vaccines must meet
internationally agreed standards for safety
and efficacy.
Medsafe (New Zealand’s medicines safety
authority) only grants consent for vaccines
to be used in New Zealand once they are
satisfied that they are safe and effective.
There have been no shortcuts in granting
approval for our COVID-19 vaccine (the
Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine)”

((This MOH booklet claims “there were no shortcuts.” Isn’t it true it hasn’t had full testing as it’s only provisionally approved?))

“Potential side-effects
Some mild side-effects, such as muscle
aches, pain at the injection site or headaches,
are common. They are actually a sign that
your body’s immune system is learning to
fight the virus. They don’t last long and won’t
stop you from having a second dose or going
about your daily life.”

((That’s it for side effects, in the “everything you need to know” booklet! Do the politicians of all major parties stand by this MOH information.)

When celebrities and politicians promoted the vaccine did they ever outline the risks?

https://web.archive.org/web/20210728002355/https://covid19.govt.nz/assets/resources/Vaccine-resources/COVID-19-vaccines_Everything-you-need-to-know.pdf
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September 1, 2022 12:45pm
- mandk
  
  “there were no shortcuts.” => there was no informed consent.
  
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  September 1, 2022 1:46pm
Nickc2

Britain’s Notting Hill diversity festival, or is it Rotorua?
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/09/sadiq-khan-and-britains-diversity-dividend.html
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September 1, 2022 12:49pm
Maggie Pie

And anyone else think it’s a sick joke when your computer actually asks humans to prove you are not a robot?

Mine’s been doing it for quite a while now.

SHEESH!!
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September 1, 2022 12:54pm
- Ghost
  
  Well, are you a robot?
  
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  September 1, 2022 12:58pm
- Ehlana
  
  It’s definitely a sign of the time Maggie.
  
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  September 1, 2022 1:57pm
Ghost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd753wKa7es

Sean Plunket speaks with Gaylene Barnes & Jared Connon, the makers of a new feature documentary called River of Freedom. The documentary is about Convoy NZ and the Parliament protest during February and March 2022
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September 1, 2022 1:35pm
mogg

With the recent discussion on gst, I am surprised to see that some people still don’t get how it works.
That includes David Seymour of all people, during his discussion with Plunket on The Platform he was getting the words to pay and to charge gst mixed up.
What’s more Plunket who is an excellent interviewer didn’t pull him up.
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September 1, 2022 2:08pm
MCōs

I note that the UN has brought out a report claiming China badly mistreats its Uighur people.
No great surprise to many people.
Will NZ do anything about it?
A lot of people would like us to roundly condemn their behaviour and haul the ambassador in for a severe dressing down.
By coincidence the Groundswell crowd are clogging up the Auckland motorways reminding everyone that the agrarian sector is abysmally treated by Wellington and don’t forget the wealth of the country is dependent on the farmers who brave the elements every day to send dairy products to China.
I’m not expecting anything more than a tepid response from any administration here so long as so much depends on our continuing trade with that totalitarian dictatorship.
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September 1, 2022 2:55pm
- Ghost
  
  I noticed the other day the government didn’t even know if the solar panels imported from China came from slave labour. We’re turning a blind eye as I expect we will do with harsh pretend words when they attack Taiwan
  
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  September 1, 2022 3:01pm
  - MCōs
    
    The way Pelosi was criticized just for visiting Taiwan was interesting.
    Nobody wants to upset China
    
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    September 1, 2022 3:19pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Probably because if China got pissed off , 53% of our exports would cease overnight.
      
      That would mean a HUGE recession/depression in NZ.
      
      Reality has be be addressed. Posturing doesnt put food on the table.
      
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      September 1, 2022 4:59pm
      - Ghost
        
        We need a strong trade deal with the EU to break away from china, not the piss poor thing we accepted.
        
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        September 1, 2022 5:09pm
      - MCōs
        
        The EU doesn’t need that which our farmers produce in big quantities.
        
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        September 1, 2022 7:10pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone else having fresh Whitebait fritters tonite?
My partner txt to say he’s just bought 500gm from a work colleague who flew in a few k’s from the South Island on his private jet. He’s selling it at $400 per kg.
I’m heading up to NW right now for a loaf of Supersoft Sandwich, free-range eggs and a new bottle of mint sauce.

OMG!!
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September 1, 2022 3:09pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  If your partner worked a bit harder he’d be able to have his own private jet. Then you’d REALLY have something to skite about.
  
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  September 1, 2022 3:23pm
- mogg
  
  With a few glasses of cold sparkling. NW free range eggs can be very suspect sometimes.
  
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  September 1, 2022 4:09pm
- Gravelroad
  
  What do you want mint sauce for?
  Surely not for putting on whitebait fritters?
  It would be more useful pouring it on your partner rather than ruining whitebait with it.
  
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  September 1, 2022 4:13pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Supersoft sandwich? Why the budget brand Maggie. Thought you want some quality bread 🙂
  
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  September 1, 2022 5:01pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Why the budget brand Maggie.”
    
    Because she is a sociopath?
    
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    September 1, 2022 7:46pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “My partner txt to say he’s just bought 500gm from a work colleague who flew in a few k’s from the South Island on his private jet. ”
  
  Honestly, you come across as a total fantasist dick.
  
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  September 1, 2022 7:44pm
  - mogg
    
    Surely you can see that you are allowing yourself to be played. MP will be laughing her socks off.
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:47pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Anyone else having fresh Whitebait fritters tonite?”
  
  No. We are arriving home from working all day. Sighing as we pour a glass of wine. And figuring what we can cook for dinner before we do it all again tomorrow.
  
  Dick head.
  
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  September 1, 2022 7:49pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Lighten up, Benedict. Maggie Pie is not to be taken seriously. Think of her as the mandatory jester character in every Shakespearean comedy.
    
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    September 1, 2022 8:30pm
    - marcw
      
      Just saying, remember Tatiana McGrath. Don’t take things at face value.
      
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      September 1, 2022 8:57pm
- blue collar
  
  Fuck yeah Maggie !!!
  Shot down at smoko …. N got 4 …. Whitebait , 2 for the missus n 2 for me 😅
  In me hi viz , pants rolled up wading around blind scooping like a bear after salmon .
  Chuffed , more egg than bait but the seasons just started , BRING IT ON !
  
  ps …. Carn Benedict , I’d live like Maggie too if I could afford it , I’d still catch me own though , but them JAFAS are pretty stuffed for local rivers to hit .
  Chill out cobber 😁
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:26pm
Alan Wilkinson

Victoria is attempting to ban all relationships between staff and students. If this report is accurate it looks like a gross violation of privacy and human rights.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/victoria-university-of-wellington-bans-intimate-relationships-between-staff-and-students/36FBX5JADFGAIELMDE7IQ5E3MI/
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September 1, 2022 3:20pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Per Stuff – “Victoria University of Wellington staff won’t be allowed to have intimate or close personal relationships with students they have academic or wellbeing responsibility for”.
  
  Seems reasonable to me.
  
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  September 1, 2022 8:33pm
Chris Nisbet

Cripes, according some Newshub article, a guy from Milford Asset Management thinks that the energy crisis in Europe is all down to the situation with Ukraine.
Nothing at all to do with idiotic energy policies like Germany shutting down nuclear and coal-fired power stations and leaving itself vulnerable to the Russians in the first place?
I might have to rethink my investments with them.
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September 1, 2022 3:23pm
- Ghost
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2022/09/europe-energy-squeeze-new-zealanders-told-to-expect-price-rises-from-power-crisis-in-eu.html
  
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  September 1, 2022 4:04pm
DimChappie

Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Association rips into the 3 Waters select committee for dissing his members. Keywords Mahuta, crook, sock puppet, egregious deception, Point of Order.
https://youtu.be/DXx_oeUqGYo
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September 1, 2022 4:10pm
- kowtow
  
  Ingrid Leary , so out of her depth .
  
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  September 1, 2022 6:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Before you go to the pub for a craft beer shandy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL0au17MypY
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September 1, 2022 4:32pm
Jack5

Texas sending busloads of illegal immigrants north to Democrat-run American cities.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-sends-buses-migrants-arrive-chicago-first-time-dropped-train-station
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September 1, 2022 4:40pm
Maggie Pie

CNN REPORTING

Sarah Palin has lost to a Dem in Alaska!!

WTF 🙁
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September 1, 2022 5:21pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  You know she is a reactionary retard, right? Ooops
  
  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/of%20a%20feather
  
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  September 1, 2022 7:39pm
  - blue collar
    
    Agree brother Benny , she’s a god damned space cadet that’d make Brenda look good .
    
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    September 1, 2022 9:29pm
Ghost

Poor Brian, no one loves him

Brian Tamaki rages after Christopher Luxon rules out working with his party Freedoms NZ

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/brian-tamaki-rages-after-christopher-luxon-rules-out-working-with-his-party-freedoms-nz.html
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September 1, 2022 5:29pm
- MCōs
  
  Luxon’s got the hots for Kim Dotcom now
  
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  September 1, 2022 7:16pm
Benedict Yu

The begging bowl media runs a story that tells us that daylight hours become longer in Spring 🙁

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300676219/largest-daily-increases-in-sunlight-set-for-late-septemberearly-october

Yay.
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September 1, 2022 7:36pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Oh shit; coroners and embalmers finding distributed clotting in the arteries of young healthy people who are dying in alarming numbers from “unknown causes” likely as a consequence of vaccination:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/i36rOSEjRRHV/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

And to expound further (from Steve Kirsch’s Aug 31 newsletter)

Recently, Jessica Rose published a very long, but very important Substack article, “Is the spike protein acting as a prion with regard to hemoglobin molecules? And is porphyria being induced?”

The short answer is yes, it appears so, according to everything we know.

Here’s a key paragraph from that article:

So the bottom line of all of this information is this: the virus infects the RBCs using spike protein via the CD147 receptor on red blood cells which causes hemolysis (rupture of the red blood cell). This causes the release of massive amounts of hemoglobin. Then the spike protein, due to its amyloidogenic peptides, triggers mis-folding of the hemoglobin into amyloid fibrils causing subsequent blood clots. The blood clots would be enhanced due to antibodies (Ag:Ab complexes).

These “rubbery” blood clots that are being pulled out of cadavers on a regular basis.

Watch this short video of John O’Looney explaining how these clots cause people to die.

What is remarkable is the medical examiner is completely missing this in their determination of the cause of death (which they leave unexplained). The embalmers find these clots. Most of them say nothing because they don’t want to lose business.

The “clots” featured in these videos are not blood at all; they are primarily amyloid proteins (thanks to analysis done by Mike Adams of clots supplied by Richard Hirschman).

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/heres-how-the-vaccine-is-causing

(Mod – added link to the article, please give credit to where you are taking your posts from)
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September 1, 2022 7:39pm
Tauhei Notts

Interesting chat over a cheap Sauvignon Blanc with a 35 year old solo mother.
Last election there was a referendum on cannabis and people queued up to vote for it, and while they were there they voted for Cindy.
That Kiwisaver foul up was the last straw; Cindy is history.
I was surprised to hear of the huge support for Act, even from females in the 18 – 39 age bracket. I hope Seymour doesn’t stuff things up between now and the election.
The give with the left and take with the right is the way the Cost of Living $116.67 is viewed. Extra payouts to beneficiaries irritate hard working solo mothers. The ram raids also feature as a worry.
But those who voted for cannabis, and Labour sort of by default, may not bother to vote in 2023.
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September 1, 2022 7:54pm
Maggie Pie

Just had some of the best whitebait fritters EVER!
To think those tiny delicacies were only swimming up river this morning…. and straight onto our pan tonite!
Made the with egg white, pinch of BP, then quikly fried in brown butter. Served on fresh white bread lightly spread with Lurpak, a sprinkle of s&p, and a squeeze of lemon. HEAVEN!!
My partner insists on poring Mint Sauce on his, just like his mum does.
There’s nothing better in the world than our SI whitebait 😛

I remember last year we couldn’t get hold of any because of lockdown or something. I made the mistake of buying some that had been imported from Chy-Nah. When I thawed them out, they were sooo slimy and yellow with little slitty eyes, so I snuck over and disposed of the whole lot in the neighbors bin.
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September 1, 2022 8:47pm
- blue collar
  
  Bullshit magstar….. TARANAKI whitebait are the best …. N f you add anything other than egg salt n pepper you’re an uncouth heathen 😁 …. N I thought you went to finishing school ? Surely they covered decorum for preparation and consumption of the whitebait fritters , nzs finest delicacy 🙄
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:32pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  You must try Tongaporutu, Mokau, Awakino or even Waikato whitebait to really appreciate just how beautiful that South Island west coast whitebait is.
  
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  September 1, 2022 9:37pm
ecco

MSM starting to figure out that they might be out of a job next year if they continue on with the pro Jacinda stance on everything. Evidenced by Bryce Edwards’ (known Labour party shill) criticism of the Labour government in his piece in the Herald today
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bryce-edwards-labours-tax-u-turn-paints-a-picture-of-a-dysfunctional-government/AYB4QZYYNOO6HJLZVRSLU72G24/#commenting-widget
Not even hidden behind the paywall.
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September 1, 2022 9:16pm
Ghost

Strange when you have to watch an Aussie give an honest look at the NZ govt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8EsoSdWqcU

Sky News host Rita Panahi says New Zealanders are finally waking up to the “gross ineptitude” of their “lockdown happy Prime Minister”.
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September 1, 2022 10:30pm
- Ghost
  
  Also
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEl0GZfTHyQ
  
  Sky News host Andrew Bolt says New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is pushing for “co-governance” in the country.
  
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  September 1, 2022 10:31pm

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