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Bridgenag

SENT TO ME [GULF USERS GROUP]

The marine communities and ecosystems of the Hauraki Gulf – and the protections established to guard them – are once again under threat from undemocratic and unequal initiatives being proposed by the Government.  The Department of Conservation (DOC) are seeking feedback on their Revitalising the Gulf proposals, which would see the implementation of ‘High Protection Zones’. These new zones differ from existing ‘no-take’ protection areas in that they grant exclusive customary take rights to local iwi, rather than restricting all fishing activity like in the ‘no-take’ areas.  In fact, the proposals don’t include a single new ‘no-take’ area, the most effective type of protection area, and instead opt for 14 of these new zones which would allow local iwi to continue fishing entirely at their discretion.  Granting exemptions to local iwi flies in the face of the collective responsibility we all have to protect and revitalise the Hauraki Gulf. It’s also contrary to the Treaty of Waitangi, which promises “ngā tikanga katoa rite tahi” – equal rights for all New Zealanders.
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October 20, 2022 8:05am
- RockyJ
  
  Here is the link to send feedback. https://www.gulfusers.org.nz/send-feedback?utm_source=gulfusers&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=revitalising_the_gulf_cta
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:36am
- cmm
  
  I am not too opposed to customary fishing rights, so long as they also use customary fishing methods.
  No fishing line, no hooks, no power boats, no depth sounders, no GPS.
  
  Once you use white man’s magic then white man’s fishing rules apply too.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:50am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Too right, wooden contiki’s/canoes only.
    
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    October 20, 2022 8:56am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    ye ancient Maori had fish hooks and lines
    
    https://collections.tepapa.govt.nz/category/424116
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:06am
    - cmm
      
      Sure, but pretty low level fishhooks and lines. Not sharp steel fishhooks and synthetic braid/mono etc.
      
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      October 20, 2022 10:10am
  - riffer
    
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    Jesus. What an idiotic proposal.
    
    Pakeha technology has evolved, along with Maori technology at the same rate. Customary rights have nothing to do with keeping a population enslaved in technology of a bygone era, and to suggest this should be the case is just plan dumb.
    
    The whole thing smacks of the old “let’s put the bloody horis back in their place” bullshit that was around in the 50s and 60s.
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:33am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Riffer.
      “let’s put the bloody horis back in their place” bullshit that was around in the 50s and 60s.
      That’s bullshit too. I grew up in the 50’s & ’60’s, having been born in 1942, and I grew up in an area of Maori being a quite high percentage – more than the average in NZ. There was never – apart from the usual odd red-ragger – who ever said that. In fact, in the late ’60’s, there began a few radical Maori youth telling us pakeha kids to F*** of back to where we came from – but that was very rare.
      Sadly, today, there are far too many dickheads like you who make claims about thing in the past which simply did not happen, and it gets me really pissed off.
      You should stop your anti white man bigotry and take advantage of what ALL New Zealanders have done to build this country to what it is – both Maori & pakeha – and stop your racist bullshit.
      Rant over.
      
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      October 20, 2022 10:21am
      - riffer
        
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        oh you poor downtrodden little white boy. You’ve had it so tough.
        
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        October 20, 2022 11:51am
      - CBR600
        
        He wouldn’t have personal experiences of the 1950s ! I have and what he suggests is rubbish.
        
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        October 20, 2022 12:36pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Typical response from riffer the racist.
        
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        October 20, 2022 1:37pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Please don’r feed the trolls! They will forget how to forage like the rest of us.
        
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        October 20, 2022 7:07pm
    - wilderbeast
      
      Riffer, do us all a favour and grow a brain. The point is “you can’t have it both ways”, I know entitled woke knob heads don’t get that, but stretch yourself eh…
      
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      October 20, 2022 1:40pm
- oldfella
  
  Bridgenag:
  
  “ngā tikanga katoa rite tahi” – equal rights for all New Zealanders.
  
  Yeah, nah, it’s increasingly a land where the special people are more equal than the rest. Eh, bro.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:32am
  - riffer
    
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    Bullshit.
    
    The hell is wrong with you if you think that giving people equitable access is some kind of apartheid.
    
    It’s the exact opposite. It’s only because deep down you realise that maori haven’t had a fair shake that you are so scared of letting them get anywhere.
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:35am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Do you stand on your head to conclude that unequal access is equal or do you have someone else do it for you?
      
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      October 20, 2022 9:42am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Fail.
      Equitable does not mean equal rights, which is exactly the point.
      But presume you knew that, didn’t you?
      One thing you can’t know however is what another person thinks ‘deep down’. You employ the opposite reasoning of Occams razor.
      Fail.
      
      Equity, in the sense it is contrived by SJWs as a good thing, means manufacturing equal OUTCOMES.
      It means you do NOT treat people the same.
      Ergo – seldom a good thing actually, when using the lens of race.
      
      And in the case of Maori, allowing them to fish in areas where other races cannot is not even an equal outcome – it is going beyond, and creating a class where rules do not apply.
      In effect can’t have any positive around the management of resources either, as the fish being taken hardly have a different outcome based on the skin colour of the people taking them out.
      
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      October 20, 2022 9:51am
      - Nickc2
        
        Agree! These yet-to-be-implemented laws about fishing in the Hauraki Gulf if you’re not Maori are going to cause some strife once they are gazetted.
        It’s blatant racism, nothing less.
        The Hauraki Gulf is my playground and I’ll be really pissed off if I’m forbidden from fishing in it.
        
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        October 20, 2022 10:18am
    - Zero Kindness
      
      You are promoting racism Riffer.
      If Bill Buckingham 100% Englishman from Leeds, visits NZ in 2010 and marries Mary Hopata, their child can fish in the Hauraki whilst my 6th generation Kiwi child can’t.
      Wake up Riffer, this is not how NZ operates. This only promotes racial division and social discourse.
      Equity of outcome is a dangerous road to travel.
      
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      October 20, 2022 9:53am
      - Unity
        
        Why does race even come into it? We are supposed to all be treated the same. We need to stop mentioning ‘race’ in everything. Surely it’s racist to decide things by race!!
        
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        October 20, 2022 10:47am
      - Paulus
        
        Tell me-
        If my female Pakeha cousin sleeps with a male Maori, as she probably still may have some Maori in her the next morning –
        Can she be a Maori ?
        
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        October 20, 2022 1:13pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Maori haven’t had a fair shake because the liberal elite has railroaded the bottom 40% into intergenerational welfare dependency. The next 40% of Maori are like most in the country – pay their taxes and live their lives. The top 20% have had more than their fair shake indeed them and their enablers are making millions.
      
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      October 20, 2022 10:44am
    - cmm
      
      I’m not hugely opposed to equitable access, but that should be based on individual need – not race.
      
      It is beyond bullshit to say that the Maori son of a doctor needs special treatment to get equity and a Pakeha son of a trailer trash doesn’t need a leg up because he’s Pakeha and so is disadvantaged.
      
      And when it comes to fishing we keep on hearing Maori are natural fisherman (spirit of Maui etc). Surely then Pakeha should be given a leg up and have special Pakeha-only fishing rights in the name of equity?
      
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      October 20, 2022 10:49am
  - wilderbeast
    
    Exactly correct
    
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    October 20, 2022 1:41pm
Matt Long

Random thoughts on saving the planet through planting pinus radiata monocultures.
Does it concern our genius masters and their multinational investor cronies that this is happening?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/19/tree-death-california-hawaii-sudden-oak and a myriad of other diseases worldwide.
Already in New Zealand
Mytle Rust
Willow aphids
Cyprus Canker
Fire – Ever noticed that the dangerous wildfires in New Zealand mostly don’t happen where livestock are grazing?
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October 20, 2022 8:05am
- redeye
  
  And pollen.
  During spring huge clouds of pine pollen often waft around the Motueka Valley where I live. The locals all complain about trouble breathing. I can’t imagine what it would be like for asthma suffers etc.
  But thinking these things through is not a hallmark of this government.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:31am
  - david
    
    Here in Tauranga, we have a “yellow cloud season” from pine pollen drifting in from Matakana Island and places in the North and West. Covers everything and Asthma is a big problem. God only knows how the inhabitants of Rotorua survive -perhaps the sulphur fumes keep the sinuses clear.
    
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    October 20, 2022 2:03pm
  - Pheobe
    
    Have you noticed when they show flooded and swollen rivers that it full of slash from forestry clearing and pine needles blocking the drains preventing water flow.
    
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    October 20, 2022 4:58pm
- Ruawai
  
  And pine is a mono culture, there is no ecosystem living below or on them like you get with native bush.
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:30am
Maggie Pie

There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

– Mark Twain

https://twitter.com/stats_feed/status/1582618012309655552
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October 20, 2022 8:07am
- Blog-aholic
  
  You forgot 3 Waters, Ardern et al, all lies and liars.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:11am
  - cjn
    
    At today’s Christchurch protest: “This government needs a drench.”
    
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    October 20, 2022 4:11pm
- Ruawai
  
  Even the Prime Ministers office get statistics a bit wrong sometimes.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/prime-minister-s-office-apologises-for-misleading-comments-about-new-zealand-s-child-poverty-figures.html
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:15am
  - chuk
    
    So, more disinformation from Ardern. What a surprise………that this one was actually admitted to.
    
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    October 20, 2022 8:50am
    - RoboRob
      
      Oh yes she admited that what she said was wrong but it was her officials that apologised adn claimed they had misinformed her.
      
      IMHO She was caught out lying (unexpectedly) and forced her officials to say they misinformed her. Supposedly it was a txting erro. BS.
      
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      October 20, 2022 9:05am
      - riffer
        
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        You seem to think that, unlike the ghastly LOTO, the Prime Minister actually knows everything about what is going on.
        
        This is something Luxon says all the time, but never gets pulled up on.
        
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        October 20, 2022 9:37am
      - RoboRob
        
        @Riffer
        
        I recall the previous PM John Key (and Joyce) knowing pretty much everything across almost every portfolio. It was pretty amazing.
        
        I don’t expect a PM or any leader to know the fine detail of every portfolio. I do expect a minister to know what’s going on IN THEIR OWN portfolio. This is the PMs portfolio and she initiated the announcement, it wasn’t a response to a question. I would expect a minister of a portfolio making an announcement about their portfolio to know the detail around what they are announcing. The real question is why don’t you?
        
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        October 20, 2022 9:51am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        ‘Forcing her Officials’
        Alwasy someone else’s fault
        
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        October 20, 2022 9:51am
      - RoboRob
        
        @riffer
        ‘unlike the ghastly LOTO’. Sorry for being thick but what is / who is LOTO?
        
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        October 20, 2022 9:52am
      - Hugh Jarse
        
        Further to what Roborob said about Key and Joyce, I will never forget Key going up against the excitable John Campbell where Campbell had screeds of papers spread in an arc in front of him and Key had nothing, he didn’t need to as he was totally across the detail of his governments performance. He ate Campbell, spat him out and then stepped on him on the way out the door. I doubt our current PM could find the door to the studio without a detailed map in front of her to read from.
        
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        October 20, 2022 10:26am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Leader Of The Opposition
        
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        October 20, 2022 10:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Press Secretary apologised.
      Jaspinda NEVER apologises. NEVER!
      
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      October 20, 2022 9:50am
      - Ghost
        
        Not true, she apologises when she can gain political points, ie. the dawn raids.
        
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        October 20, 2022 9:54am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Daddy was just following orders, Ghost
        
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        October 20, 2022 10:05am
      - leoj
        
        Sorry Ghost. Hit REPORT in error.
        
        Wanted to reply that the dawn raids were started under Norman Kirk’s LABOUR govt.
        
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        October 20, 2022 1:01pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Correct me if I’m wrong but Jaspinda never appropriately disciplines or apologises for the point-blank racist bigotry spewed regularly by the ministers under her leadership!
        
        You can bet your bottom dollar there’d be an instant show-trial type performance if someone not of allegedly 1st class heritage (according to loony left ideology) uttered the kind of insane in your face racist crap they do.
        
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        October 20, 2022 2:16pm
  - cmm
    
    The whole PMO goes under the bus to cover for Cindy’s lie.
    
    The only thing they’re really sorry about is that they were caught out.
    
    HTF can the Minister Of Child Poverdee get the numbers wrong? That is inexcusable. It shows gross dereliction of duty.
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:38am
  - Nickc2
    
    I suppose she was equally misinformed about Covid-19 Vaccinations, Mandates, and Masks preventing the spread of the damned thing too eh?
    Nea mind eh, it’ll all be revealed in the Royal Commission into the Pandemic.
    Like fuck it will! This Govt will set the Terms of Reference (ToR) for the Commission so as nothing of major concern can be sheeted back to the Govt.
    The only reason they will grant a Royal Commission into the Covid-19 Pandemic is because they know if the Govt changes next election, the new Govt will establish the Commission and set its ToR.
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:31am
- Harry Knuts
  
  if the shoe fits…
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/prime-minister-s-office-apologises-for-misleading-comments-about-new-zealand-s-child-poverty-figures/ar-AA139Ax6?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=dc305f99749f44ffada3d116d3d41913
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:23am
Frank the tank

I see our PM is heading for a 2-day holiday to Scott Base.

Must be struggling with Grant sending her off before she breaks down.
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October 20, 2022 8:09am
- Blog-aholic
  
  At least she’ll be going in a plane that wont break down.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:29am
- kowtow
  
  No doubt to hype climate lies.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:36am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    So how does this work – does Jacinda think she’s going to be able to lie about scientific matters in front of the scientists there?
    
    Or is it supposed to be them that’s going to lie to her?
    
    All of them together, and not one of them, or anybody that’s ever worked there, or any disgruntled and resentful ex-partner of anybody that’s ever worked there, has a thing to say about it?
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:36am
    - kowtow
      
      Covid’s a great example of everyone telling porkies together , including the “scientists”
      
      From the US / Brit funded lab in China , the denials right through to how they made it out to be the plague , we’re all going to die and how ‘safe and effective” their placebo was /is. Along with their so called public health measures which were nothing but theatre .
      
      So yes I strongly suspect that inNew Zealand of 2022 you won’t get a job in regime funded ‘science’ unless you are a True Believer and additionally one also needs to be able to demonstrate a commitment to the undefined so called principles of the T oW.
      
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      October 20, 2022 1:17pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        OK, and what about the former scientists who’ve now retired from government jobs, or the disgruntled ex-partners of government scientists? People, in other words, who never were, or are no longer, constrained by being employed by government?
        
        Not that being employed by government has stopped scientists in other fields from making statements and publishing research are contrary to the Government’s political interests. It’s only climate scientists that this government, the previous government, and every other government around the world, including the Trump administration, has successfully forced into compliance.
        
        Not one government has seen political advantage in revealing the (previous Government’s) scam and so diverting the resources currently being devoted to climate change, into something more likely to buy them votes; not one opposition leader, not one former government minister, not one retired scientist has seen any advantage in blowing the gaff.
        
        And this really, truly makes sense to you?
        
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        October 20, 2022 2:52pm
      - kowtow
        
        Many pollies see through it ,but know they’re buying a fight with Blobs like the EU , so just run along side the bus .( trade deals)
        Easier than being run over.
        
        Plenty of scientists don’t buy it .
        
        And as to pollies Trump certainly didn’t buy it and that’s one of the reasons they spent so much time ,effort and money to unseat him.
        
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        October 20, 2022 4:23pm
  - Paulus
    
    No, just a photo shoot PR job as usual.
    
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    October 20, 2022 1:16pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Ice Ice Baby
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:51am
- riffer
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  At least she won’t be pretending she’s in Te Puke.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:38am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Yeah, but she’s pretending to be the Minister of Child Poverty.
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:32am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Well said!
      
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      October 20, 2022 12:23pm
  - Ghost
    
    Don’t worry. Jacinda is becoming so hated in the regions she won’t need to pretend to be anywhere
    
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    October 20, 2022 12:28pm
    - igm
      
      Wait till she has to attend a by-election meeting in Hamilton . . . she will get a right royal welcome.
      
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      October 20, 2022 1:41pm
- marcw
  
  Her trips often coincide with House Sitting days – this trip starts next Tuesday, returns after Parliament finishes for the week. Convenient that she avoids scrutiny once again.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Shyster can’t face the music. Keep digging that hole Jaspinda
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oma rapeti oma rapeti
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:53am
- oldfella
  
  Frank, I wish she’d stay there till hell freezes over as well. //
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:03am
- david
  
  Wonder if she will take DPS and Jessica along.
  
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  October 20, 2022 2:07pm
- crikey
  
  What’s coming up that she needs to be out of the country?
  
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  October 20, 2022 3:08pm
Pavel

Wow, now here’s an article to read with an empty mouth. To many laughs to copy and paste.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/300716513/why-stuff-chose-to-become-a-b-corp
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October 20, 2022 8:10am
- Blog-aholic
  
  They are fast becoming a ‘D’ corporation.
  
  http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2022/10/more-desperate-floundering-at-stuff.html
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:32am
- RockyJ
  
  This is the funniest part. This is how Stuff describes its vision; “When it came to the crunch, the consensus was that we wanted to be bold. Brave. Fearless. To do what’s right, not what’s convenient. And it turns out, we wanted to do more than just make money. We also wanted to be a force for good.”
  
  Bwah ha ha ha
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:41am
  - graham
    
    Stuff:
    
    “We want to do what’s right, not what’s convenient. And it turns out, we wanted to do more than just make money.”
    
    This, just a day after some of their staff were sobbing to the Herald about losing their jobs and being treated like dog-turd!
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/stuff-employee-horrified-and-offended-by-lack-of-communication-on-major-restructure-that-could-result-in-regional-cutbacks/35GE66YW54P4R5KBLPAYSUGUOI/
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:13am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Fortunately, they have all achieved their ambition – in the future they will all be doing “more than just making money”….
      
      I expect the bosses will do just fine, but the ignorant cannon fodder who toil in the click-bait mill. Well those uneducated drudges were only ever just grist.
      
      Perhaps, as they head off to sign on at MSD, they might reflect that journalism school hasn’t really been that great an investment?
      
      All that lockstep tut tutting about how evil capitalists/men/white people/climate deniers/etc are, really hasn’t delivered , has it?
      
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      October 20, 2022 5:24pm
  - oldfella
    
    Rocky, they should have added ‘we also didn’t want to hear your feedback in case you said mean things about us’.
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:07am
- oldfella
  
  Pavel, wow, stuffed sure does write good comedy.
  
  Our new mission, to make Aotearoa a better place, became our guiding light and the catalyst that started our journey to become a B Corporation. B Corps, as they are known, are companies verified by B Lab to achieve high levels of social and environmental performance, transparency and accountability.
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:06am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Ah, there’s their problem – they are working in Aotearoa – that mythical land of fairies & giants & little people. 🙂
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:34am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Patupaiarehe
      
      https://teara.govt.nz/en/patupaiarehe
      
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      October 20, 2022 1:40pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Thanks Maggy – couldn’t remember the name. 🙂
        
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        October 20, 2022 2:40pm
  - rouppe
    
    Transparency and accountability.
    
    Wonder why their comments are switched off 90% of the time then
    
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    October 20, 2022 11:38am
Harry Knuts

Would it be fair to conclude the current govt reporting on Child Poverty is a dog’s breakfast.
Recent interviews by Cindy are littered with inaccurate statements she’s has had to be corrected on. Is this a result of the minimal time she actually spends on her own portfolio and the little understanding she has on it or is she just saying/spinning that she thinks will make her look good?
It’s come out that her own reports do not include child in emergency housing. Approx 4500 children nationwide.
Do we then ask that same ministry out of those 4500 children to release the data on how long have they lived in emergency housing?
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October 20, 2022 8:11am
- RoboRob
  
  You are spot on. She spends zero time on her own portfolio and now that its election time she is spinning / lying to make it look like there hasn’t been negative progress.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:07am
herb1

Can anyone tell me how to fix a problem on my iPad reading Kiwiblog
In the last couple of weeks the add on the right hand side moves across to the middle and I can’t read comments
Cheers in advance
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October 20, 2022 8:15am
- Harry Knuts
  
  can you download duckagogo? if so perhaps give that a go.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:37am
  - crikey
    
    Thats ‘duckduckgo’.
    
    Make it your default browser.
    
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    October 20, 2022 3:11pm
- alloytoo
  
  Could be the iPad/Chair interface?
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:46am
- Yabster
  
  download the ios version of duckduck go- or any other ad blocker- i don’t mind ads on a free blog- but when they sit over posts -thats just stupid.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:49am
  - RalphT
    
    Like you I don’t mind ads on a free blog, but when they block all but about four lines of the screen all it does is drive you into the arms of an ad blocker, which means the advertiser is wasting his* money. One other blocker mentioned here is Brave, which seems ok.
    
    * his/her/their, depending on the identity adopted.
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:15am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yep, I was going to put up with that so went to DuckDuckGo. Currently at no cost.
  No ads now.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Adblock plus.
  Right now blocking 9
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Have to admit the ads are getting very intrusive and annoying.
  Most of the time I don’t mind, so have Adblock turned off on this blog.
  It is off now
  
  [Mod – I have put a screenshot up about them for David to see]
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Cheers Mod.
    Who actually controls the ads, decides what ads, and decides where they are placed?
    I have no clue, other than webmasters.
    
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    October 20, 2022 12:55pm
- Humai
  
  I enjoy my morning fix of Kiwiblog on my iPad Pro with a piping hot long black on the side. I’m seeing the same irritating problem.
  
  I assume it’s a bug rather than a feature, so I’m looking forward to the hosting platform operator solving the problem.
  
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  October 20, 2022 3:54pm
Warren

It seem we have two people in New Zealand Politics that think they are indispensable and our Country cannot do without them with statements like this from Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson on a Social Investment Program between the National Party and Wealthy Individual’s to help those in need.
“It’s the Bermuda Triangle of a economic plan” Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister said showing her ignorance.
“Yet another unfunded promise from the National Party, ” said Finance Minister Grant Robertson showing his ignorance, while forgetting the $100 plus billion that he has saddled future generations with debt that will take years to pay for.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/social-investment-grant-robertson-hits-back-at-nationals-welfare-policy/JFLLBG2X56ODLYV4YZDYWMZZPM/
If this Labour Government thinks this type of bullshit will incourage people to vote Labour they are more deluded than I thought they were and are also the worst Government ever in my lifetime.
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October 20, 2022 8:18am
- MCōs
  
  “It seem we have two people in New Zealand Politics that think they are indispensable”
  
  Two?
  
  There’s thousands and time shows none of them are.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:37am
- Ford Prefect
  
  I dont think their dismissal of any ideas that are not their own,is to encourage voters to Labour. I think its to comfort the ignorant Labour supporters who only read headlines and listen to soundbites. Labour dont want their supporters to listen to others with an open mind so need to shut down any debate with throw away insults not based on any fact.
  
  They dont even need to listen to the alternative point of view, they just choose from a list of insults and throw one at the compliant media
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:40am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Is that all they’ve got as a reply then National is doing ok and they’ve hit a nerve with Labour. Labour have proven their ability to wads of cash around with no real tangible results. Last 5 years of Labour – #LabourLotto.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:40am
- Benedict Yu
  
  How can it be unfunded? Interventions will only be funded if they save more than they cost. For example stopping a kid in a gang house from becoming an adult criminal. And not just my spraying money at the gang house which seems to be what the current government does.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:57am
- crikey
  
  The Bermuda triangle is an area where ships were reputed to have gone missing, so what is Labour trying to imply about National. The metaphor should be applied to Labour – what has gone missing under their watch? Mega-dollars, that’s what.
  
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  October 20, 2022 3:16pm
stewmar

Wayne Brown for PM
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October 20, 2022 8:18am
- riffer
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  LOL. Wayne Brown is about to find out that you can shout at clouds all you like, but when you have no effective power and no majority in Council you can’t get fuck all done. He’s going to be yet another lame duck mayor for Auckland. Although he will be noisy. Joy.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:39am
  - Frank the tank
    
    What the Wellington elite are going to find out is that an individual that in in his last job won’t go quietly into the night. You have misread the room and the mood of Auckland.
    
    Every letter, every report, every speech will build into a narrative. This will feed into 2023. This will be in a direct contest with central government dictates.
    
    And let’s be honest when the current government goes out with the tide in 12 months time Brown will have a government sympathetic and supportive of his strategy. At that stage the worm turns.
    
    Enjoy the smugness – it will end by this time next year.
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:10am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    What’s Aucklanders like about Brown is that he is working for the ratepayers not for Labour as Goff was tied to. And that is his job.
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:19am
  - hullkiwi
    
    you sir, do not know what you are talking about. Just as Jaspinda will learn from her meeting with Brown, administration of Auckland will change in a manner no one in the government ever thought possible even 3 weeks ago.
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:54am
Benedict Yu

Meanwhile in Kàinga Ora land…

In 2017 Phil Twyford decided that all state housing tenants would be allowed pets. Because it was good for wellbeing.

“”That doesn’t mean it is open season for pit bull terriers and vicious dogs.” ”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/345216/state-house-tenants-to-be-allowed-pets

Five years on, many tenants have dogs. Scary dogs. American Pit Bull dogs.
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October 20, 2022 8:20am
- Matt Long
  
  Who’d of thunk it huh? Labour, wrecking New Zealand since – forever.
  If you need a taxpayer subsidised house, and benefits, how do you afford thousands for keeping dogs?
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:24am
  - Random T Person
    
    Believe me these people don’t look after dogs like your or I do.
    
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    October 20, 2022 8:50am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Matt Long-
    Dogs can provide opportunities for extra unearned income.
    Puppy farming.
    Even non-purebred pups sell for $1000++
    Nice market for gang dogs, guard dogs, pig dogs, dogs to terrorise kids with etc.
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Where does a State House tenant get $1000?
      Asking for a friend
      
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      October 20, 2022 10:26am
      - Paulus
        
        Winz, I expect Steve.
        
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        October 20, 2022 1:20pm
      - david
        
        Swap for some Michael Hill sparkles.
        
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        October 20, 2022 2:11pm
    - Hebe123
      
      Pittie pups are a dime a dozen.
      The mixed breed pups that sell for $1000 are the spaniel x or German shepherd or Labrador x, the pitties are unfortunately given away to other losers for $20 thus ensuring that they don’t value them either.
      
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      October 20, 2022 4:25pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        The American Pit-bull is actually a very good looking and intelligent dog, and makes a very good pet. The problem is that they get into the wrong hands and are ill treated & taught to be aggressive, so that they can be used as fighting dogs or used for intimidation.
        
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        October 20, 2022 4:40pm
- kowtow
  
  An ACC query on how much those dogs have cost in injuries would be interesting ,not to mentionhow much they degrade a property in damage / cleaning.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:52am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Dog attacks cost a fortune. ACC does publish the data but they won’t be able to break it down to dogs owned by state house tenants.
    
    I would be interested in a question along the lines of “Since 2017, how many Kainga Ora staff have submitted claims to ACC as a result of attacks by dogs owned by state housing tenants?
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:22am
Matt Long

A new way of voting to help people engage with elections.
It’s popular on this blog to threaten that if we don’t vote for someone’s pet sack of sh – mystery bag we will in effect be voting for an even more vile alternative.
My solution is that rather than voting for the least worse choice on offer and being complicit in their wrecking of NZ, we tweak the electoral system so that we can register a positive Vote for candidates we approve of, or Negative Vote against the most egregious execrable candidate or party.
Each Negative Vote would result in one vote being taken away from a candidate or party. This would increase voter turnout to record levels as it gives voters the opportunity to show politicians how they feel about their performance.
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October 20, 2022 8:21am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  A zero based +- stv would be even more definitive.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:25am
  - Steve Todd
    
    70: I gave some thought to this 12 years ago, in response to a question put to me, here: https://dunedinstadium.wordpress.com/2010/08/26/in-defence-of-stv-2/. I wondered why we should accommodate the disaffected in our society in such a manner, and concluded it couldn’t be done. I suggested a NOTA ‘with teeth’ option would be a better way to go. In places like Dunedin and Palmerston North, it could actually result in a council seat, or two, not being filled.
    
    Go to the ‘41 responses’, then scroll down to Russell Garbutt’s question of Aug 27, at 3:58 pm, and then down to my reply of Aug 30, at 10:41 am.
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:22am
- peterwn
  
  Perhaps give everyone a positive vote and a negative vote. People can then use the negative vote on Winnie’s mob.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:25am
  - Dave
    
    But what happens if people give their negative vote not to the most execrable party but to the party/candidate most likely to defeat their favoured representatives – mutually assured destruction of the two most popular parties? The proposed negative vote will produce bizarre, unrepresentative results.
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:42am
- Steve Todd
  
  Okay, Matt, now give us a simple, worked example: 5 candidates, 1 vacancy, 15 voters, each having a positive and a negative vote.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:36am
  - Matt Long
    
    I’m not proposing both positive and negative, it’s either or.
    So you hate this government but think the pinkos aren’t much better, rather than voting for the freedom parties which are fragmented, and some loopy , so won’t stand a chance of being elected you register a vote Against the greens or Labour.
    If all the freedom party supporters voted against the Greens they would be under five percent and out on the street.
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:43am
    - Steve Todd
      
      […], it’s either or.
      
      That’s not how the relevant sentence reads.
      
      Regardless, under your system, ACT could just as easily be “out on the street.” In fact, parliament would likely only ever consist of just Labour and National MPs.
      
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      October 20, 2022 11:21am
      - Steve Todd
        
        That’s not how the relevant sentence reads.
        
        On re-reading the relevant sentence again, I concede I’m wrong. It would have been clearer if you had written, “[…] so that we can register either a positive Vote …, or a Negative Vote […].”
        
        The rest of my response stands.
        
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        October 20, 2022 11:54am
Harry Knuts

Niall is sounding more and more bitter that his preferred leftie didn’t win the Auckland mayoral race. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/130227501/auckland-mayor-wayne-brown-makes-first-public-appearance-but-sidesteps-stuff
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October 20, 2022 8:21am
- RoboRob
  
  lol. I guess you reap what you sow. If you want to barrack for a candidate and publish hit pieces on another, don’t expect them to give you interviews (read clicks and money) if they get into power.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:15am
- graham
  
  “Sidesteps Stuff” – I like this guy more every day!
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:19am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    He knows Stuff is a gutter tabloid. I wouldn’t entertain either if I was him.
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How long before Wayne Brown says to the media “You are Fake News”?
  They deserve it.
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHol4–tC3s
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:49am
Nickc2

Wayne Brown Akld Mayor, what a breath of fresh air for Akld. His instructions to Council Controlled Organisations (CCOs) about them being responsible to both Council and ratepayers have sadly been what has been missing in the past because previous Mayors have signed pledges to Labour Party Philosophy.
Thanks Mike Hosking for having him on your show.
Now, watch the Labour-aligned MSM try to destroy him.
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October 20, 2022 8:21am
- Random T Person
  
  If Brown has the stones Brown appears to have, he will eat them for breakfast like Kari Lake or Ron DeSantis does. Give no quarter.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:51am
  - Nickc2
    
    Agree! Don’t take prisoners eh?
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:35am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Now wouldn’t that be a dream ticket for 2024!
    
    Imagine the VP debate Lake vs Harris. Poor old Horizontal wouldn’t know what hit her.
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You forgot Trump. He can deal to them.
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:37am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Nah DeSantis is a younger, better, more competent version. Look at the aftermath of the Hurricane. The left media were left with nothing given he sorted the clean up quicker than expected.
      
      As for Lake – brilliant speaker, Good looking/presented and takes no prisoners. I’d pay money to watch either of them present a speech to the UN.
      
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      October 20, 2022 10:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Kari Lake is one of the clever ones.
        
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        October 20, 2022 12:58pm
- RoboRob
  
  The MSM have been attacking him since before he walked into the offices on his first day. ‘Brown may not work on weekends’, ‘Brown may be late of first day’, ‘Brown not taking interviews after winning’.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:17am
  - pdm
    
    I am sure I saw somewhere that Brown was on the job at about 5am on his first day.
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      And Tory went to breakfast. Who paid, and was she picked up in the Mayoral Limo?
      
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      October 20, 2022 10:40am
  - Random T Person
    
    Stuff having a good old sook that Brown won’t engage with them. LOLOLOL
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:20am
kowtow

Two days in a row now the Ferald has items on the anti west Creative NZ decision to defund and cancel the Bard .

In neither do they mention what is probably the most inflamatory statement made in relation to said cancelling as reported in the Guardian ;

“One assessor said the application made them “question whether a singular focus on an Elizabethan playwright is most relevant for a decolonising Aotearoa in the 2020s and beyond”.’

Surely that’s the real issue here and will contextualise some of the reaction .

‘Decolonising’ , whatever the hell that is .

But not mentioned in either Herald article , I wonder why ever not .

Could it be part of the Herald’s contractual obligation to ‘promote treaty parnership’ , at the instigation of Ardern’s regime .
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October 20, 2022 8:26am
- Harry Knuts
  
  ‘Decolonising’
  definition: To free (a colony) from dependent status. to allow to become self-governing or independent.
  How this translates to Shakespeare his work being studied by kids in schools in NZ is beyond me.
  Looks like the assessor at Creative NZ has got their own agenda and wouldn’t be surprised if decolonisation word would be a big part of their vocabulary.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:39am
- crikey
  
  Regarding so-called ‘decolonising’, my question to the Maori activists is ‘when are you going to start acting in accordance with the Treaty of Waitangi to which your ancestors signed up?
  
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  October 20, 2022 3:25pm
TripeWryter

I see that Stuff appears to be in some difficulty.
I can’t wait for it to die.
I’m sorry about some of the journalists who likely will lose their jobs.
But Stuff has become a pestilence on Ow Tair Roar.
News judgments long abandoned.
Principles of fairness and balance chucked out the corporate window.
Straightforward reporting largely abandoned.
If your reporting is good and fair and accurate you don’t have to attach reminders to the bottom of your stories about how good your journalism is.
You don’t have to try to make your readers feel obligated to you by reminding them that ‘We’re working for you’.
You don’t alienate your readers by lecturing them about their perceived ‘racism’, their perceived ‘sexism’, their perceived ‘-phobia’.
Especially you don’t tell lies to your readers as you did during the protests at Parliament and you smeared and demonised people who simply didn’t like what was happening to them in Aotea – oops! – New Zealand.
And then you went after people who stood for local bodies in a way that you never went after anybody else.
You don’t create misleading ‘documentaries’ like Fire and Fury.
Stuff must have known deep down it was a crock and that the public weren’t buying it. Otherwise they wouldn’t have got their hackettes including Annemarie Quill and Andrea Vance to write pieces trying to justify it.
I could go on.
Suffice it to say: a longstanding journalism maxim was this. If you give away your credibility you never get it back.
That’s what’s happened to Stuff.
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October 20, 2022 8:26am
- RoboRob
  
  Agreed. Hadn’t heard stuff was in financial trouble, do you haev a link?
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:19am
  - TripeWryter
    
    Robo: it’s been in The New Zealand Herald (and apparently Radio New Zealand) the last two days.
    Also, Karl du Fresne has blogged on it.
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:52am
- graham
  
  Well said TripeWryter.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:24am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Good job I say. Most tabloids die sooner or later as they are the laziest and trashiest of MSM. Stuff is a tabloid. By lazy I mean lack of basic grammar, spell checking, fact checking just to name a few.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:42am
- Master Mariner
  
  In a nutshell is Trust.
  Hard to earn but easy to lose.
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:37am
- kowtow
  
  We can all play our own very small but personal part .
  
  Do your very best not to click on any of their content ,don’t link to it either .
  
  Every click can be used by them to tell their advertisers they’re not drowning .
  
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  October 20, 2022 1:26pm
KH

The $100 million saved from the closure of Creative New Zealand should go to Pharmac.
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October 20, 2022 8:26am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Agreed. Pharmac – great nomination to redirect these funds.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:43am
- Ghost
  
  How about we just don’t borrow that $100 milllion.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:48am
Sideoiler

I don’t think its guns that are the problem.
https://thepostmillennial.com/vice-principals-let-armed-gunman-into-ohio-school-to-protect-them-from-police-report
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October 20, 2022 8:27am
Hugh Jarse

I see the PM is off to Antartica, is there a girls school down there now ?
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October 20, 2022 8:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Lots of photo-ops with Penguins.
  https://birdnewsnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/jacinda-ardern-boty.png
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:14am
  - pdm
    
    maggy – do Penguins have kindergartens?
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:47am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep,
      Here’s their Mummys and Daddys dropping them off for their morning session.
      
      https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/02/penguin_chick_huddle_106155753.jpg?quality=80&strip=all
      
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      October 20, 2022 10:10am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Did you ever wonder why there are no dead penguins on the ice in Antarctica – where do they go?
        Wonder no more!
        It is a known fact that the penguin is a ritualistic bird which lives an extremely ordered and complex life.
        The penguin is committed to its family and will mate for life, as well as maintain a form of compassionate contact with its offspring throughout its life.
        If a penguin is found dead on the ice surface, other members of the family and social circle have been known to dig holes in the ice, using their vestigial wings and beaks, until the hole is deep enough for the dead bird to be rolled into and buried.
        The male penguins then gather in a circle around the fresh grave and sing:
        “Freeze a jolly good fellow”.
        “Freeze a jolly good fellow”.
        “Freeze a jolly good fellow”.
        Then they all kick him in the ice hole.
        
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        October 20, 2022 11:08am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Gee. I was hoping she would cut down Co2 emmissions and use magical and mythical Navigation / waka techniques and sail down and back.
    Being a true believer and all.
    In fact take the 2 Woods , one can be used as Ballast and Robertson can help with Navigation being ” Good with number”.
    Take Stuff journalists along to record this Historic event.//
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:48am
- Harry Knuts
  
  She’s going to cool off after a rough week/month.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:44am
  - crikey
    
    Maybe she is going to follow in Captain Oates’ shoes – “I am just going outside and may be some time”.
    
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    October 20, 2022 3:30pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Will she be coming back?
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Oct 26th?
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/get-involved/features/confirmed-house-sitting-programme-for-2022/
    
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    October 20, 2022 11:12am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Dammit.
      
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      October 20, 2022 11:26am
- rangitoto
  
  I wonder if Cindy will dress up as a penguin.
  
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  October 20, 2022 12:00pm
nathie

Breaking News!!

The Taliban have praised Creative NZ for realising the public’s recognition and praise of Shakespeare as being “idolatrous”, like they said of the ancient Buddist statues they obliterated in Bamyian province!

In recognition of this momentous occasion, they have gifted the sacred name of “Cultural Taliban” whenever Creative Aotearoa NZ authorises destroying other remnants of colonial imperialism!
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October 20, 2022 8:30am
G152

Wow. So a child was removed from its parents care and placed in a home where they were given the bash daily and in spite of the bruising and other signs ignored until hospital and death.Are we allowed to know anything about this like ethnics other than the debacle that occurred in Parliament yesterday.
Easy to fix. All children examined regularly.
All foster parents selected on actual ability and not racial connection
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October 20, 2022 8:30am
- oldfella
  
  G152: the case where media named the scumbag parents, and ran a photo of the couple, but (accidentally) forgot to mention their iwi and hapu. //
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

There was an urgent debate in Parliament last night about the abuse/torture and murder of Malachi Subecz.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20221019_20221019_24

It is clear that something is seriously wrong with Oranga Tamariki, but there is also something seriously wrong with Kelvin Davis, the Minister for Children, who has sat back on his hands allowing his Departmental bureaucrats to play a game of delaying obfuscation about their lack of engagement with this vulnerable child.

Why has it taken six months to do an internal review? I want to know how we could possibly have confidence in the organisation when the ombudsman has publicly said OT’s lack of engagement was curious and very unacceptable. OT, and this is his words, “has failed to give me an open picture of what occurred here and why.” He further said the lack of cooperation was so bad, it hindered his job and he would keep a close eye on Oranga Tamariki’s own review.
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October 20, 2022 8:30am
- Colville
  
  We can only conclude that Kelvin is happy to have children murdered as long as it dosent impact on his political career.
  
  That is quite something even for someone as pathetic as him.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:44am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I listened to most of the debate yesterday. Labour MP’s did their best to take politics out of the debate, but it was clear there’s not as lot of love lost for Kelvin Davis.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:46am
- Nickc2
  
  The review could be delayed indefinitely. No Consultants are currently available from Mahuta Corp, they’re all engaged in other reviews but they will eventually get around to attending a Hui on Oranga Tamariki’s premises where ‘Start Up’ Koha will be sought.
  PS: Is Mahuta Corp listed on the NZX yet?
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:52am
- kowtow
  
  But it’s not just Davis , it’s the whole “putting the principles of ToW ” at the centre of everything .
  
  And every “ki ora” , every nah mihi, every ‘do the mahi’, every ‘Aterower’ , is part of the same continuum .
  
  Every dollar accepted by every media operation and any other body , sporting or cultural etc
  
  Every court decision , every hiring in the public sector that requires a “commitment to the principles of the T o W ” etc
  
  is privy to killing children in New Zealand , to creating a divided, disfunctional and undemocratic society .
  
  It is political and I reject it in its entirety .
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Disturbing, and it will continue.
  There are many news items on this. I will not link to them – it makes it hard, reading what that poor kid suffered.
  
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  October 20, 2022 11:21am
Cassandra

The most important issue facing the world, of which NZ is actually a part, is exemplified by the Russia/Ukraine war and the possibility of China attempting to annex Taiwan by force. It gets very little attention in NZ, even on Kiwiblog. Even less by our current government which has appointed a Review Committee composed, in part, of the ubiquitous Brian Roche, who has no discernible foreign/security credentials, and the CEO of the Maori Tourism Authority. It does include an academic and a retired general. Australia’s has just two members – a former Defence Minister now academic and a former Chief of Defence. The contrast is stark.
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October 20, 2022 8:32am
- kowtow
  
  You are quite right of course .
  
  The Reds apparently established 80 “police stations” across the world , to keep an eye on Chinese abroad.One in Sydney .RNZ did report this .But not obsessively.
  
  Recently there was the report of an NZ citizen spying on other NZers on behalf of an unnamed foreign power, RNZ did report this.But not obsessively.
  
  These dictatorships are nuclear armed . In Putin’s case he keeps uttering nuclear threats. And China keeps up about annexing Taiwan , a democracy .
  
  You’d think the UN and the Great and the Good would be talking disarmament ( of nukes) as the highest world priority and building civil society across the globe .
  
  But what do they obsess over . A trace gas and the weather .
  
  It’s literally unbelievable how head up arse these “leaders” and “experts” are .
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:10am
westernScientist

Not regretting my vote for Nicola Grigg much today…

https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=228762

Groundswell are out again today at lunch time in the main centres, if you can make it and like to eat food, drink beer and where cloths go join them.
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October 20, 2022 8:36am
- Weinerpoop
  
  She is getting better and better in the house
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:34am
Maggie Pie

For a moment there I thought this might have been Britomart 😀
But honestly, you gotta have sympathy for those who rely on public transport…

https://twitter.com/LeftismForU/status/1582794294322089985
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October 20, 2022 8:38am
- RockyJ
  
  Some things, once seen, cannot be unseen
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Meth and Fentanyl
  
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  October 20, 2022 11:27am
Tony Stuart

Another day, another story of something we weren’t told about, even though Ministers have known for a year:

Newshub has learned the Government was warned months ago about security and safety issues at all of New Zealand’s international airports.

The warning preceded overseas regulators issuing a critical audit which found they failed to meet international best practice.

Auditors from the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) found all of New Zealand’s international airports had holes in their security when they visited.

Transport Associate Minister Kieran McAnulty revealed the auditors identified “significant concerns” in their report.

“I am concerned there are two areas where they found that there’s significant concern. I am also confident the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) have the ability to work with them and come up with a way to address it,” McAnulty said.

Newshub revealed last night contractors and airport workers have been able to access tarmacs and planes without being checked for explosives or weapons.

In July, the CAA told the Associate Minister McAnulty it was concerned that meeting international standards was given “insufficient priority” and “New Zealand’s level of compliance is beginning to lag behind that of states such as Australia”.

It also said a “downgrade or stagnation…could have a negative impact on NZ’s reputation as a safe and secure place to operate”.

Pilots say they’ve been raising issues for up to a year with Transport Minister Michael Wood and more recently with McAnulty.

“We are concerned. We have been talking to the Minister, the Ministry, and the CAA for the last six to 12 months about what’s been going on with security at the major airports,” Captain Andrew Ridling said.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/government-ministers-warned-months-ago-about-security-issues-at-new-zealand-s-international-airports.html

We already know that there have been significant breaches in security at Auckland Airport, after a number of drug cases where airport employees were involved in getting drugs imported, circumventing Customs. But to find out that people were able to access tarmac areas without proper security is a real worry.

Of course, the bigger worry is that the most open and transparent government New Zealand has ever seen didn’t think it was an issue that the public needed to know about. This is symptomatic of a government failing at every turn, and doing its best to hide the carnage.

Chickens are coming home to roost for the Ardern government, and it’s not a moment too soon. Roll on next year’s General Election!
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October 20, 2022 8:43am
- Master Mariner
  
  Its been the same with Ports.
  Where protesters can waltz in and chain themselves to ships and livestream the event Worldwide.
  It is a serious breach of ISPS code and risk getting a non compliance.
  Ie No ships are allowed to discharge cargoes etc.
  Im surprised it has not happened already.
  This is the outcome of having mostly council owned Ports and ring ins on the boards with absolutely no idea how shipping and ports operate.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:35am
  - GJM
    
    not to mention gangs staling an entire shipping container, which obviously contained something they really, really wanted,and probably wasn’t on the bill of lading.
    Did they ever catch anyone for this, or recover the goods?
    
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    October 20, 2022 3:09pm
- oldfella
  
  Tony, roll on the Hamilton West bye-election which will give us a tasty appetiser of the wider political carnage to follow next year.
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:25am
- Colville
  
  So why is it so hard to smuggle cocaine thru…???
  
  (or so I have heard 🙂 )
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:28am
Benedict Yu

Crown loses appeal over teen rapist Jayden Meyer’s sentence

“In a judgment today, High Court Justice Sally Fitzgerald deemed the sentence Meyer received was “manifestly inadequate”, but “in the unique circumstances of this case, the interests of justice are best served by declining the Crown’s application”.

However……….

“Justice Fitzgerald said with Meyer now attending a sexual violence rehabilitation programme, the logistics of managing this within prison would be difficult.”

“Given the delay, Mr Meyer has served over a third of his sentence.”

“I accordingly accept that to sentence Mr Meyer now to a sentence of imprisonment carries with it a real risk of undermining progress to date in rehabilitation, through his engagement in an appropriate youth sexual offending programme. This is a particularly important factor in my view.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/476977/crown-loses-appeal-over-teen-rapist-jayden-meyer-s-sentence

So the appeal judge says the sentence is manifestly wrong. But nothing can be done now because the rapist is doing a course to stop him raping again. A prison sentence would mess up the training course.

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October 20, 2022 8:49am
- Random T Person
  
  LOL training course. Don’t rape. There, trained.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:53am
- Tricati
  
  I believe a key part is the crown never sought a custodial sentence in the first place, and that they were to late to file the appeal. My understanding is they had 4 weeks, but only sought an appeal after the justifiable public outcry long after appeal envelope expired. The original judge needs to go, as the court of appeal said, there is a lack of transparency in the original judge’s decision.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:06am
  - Prince
    
    Four rapes, but the Crown sought no custodial sentence.
    Remember when the bright shiny Labour/NZ First Govt came in, Angry Andy cancelled all new prisons, and spent a few $M on a fancy conference, emceed by Alison Mau (note the irony given Mau’s supposed feminism), where all the Lefties envisaged a brand new world where prisons were closed and crims rehabilitated through home detention.
    Where are we now ? Ram raids, murders, violence, a multiple rapist getting Home D, and apparently Youth detention centres unable to take any more ‘guests’.
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:12am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes correct – the time limit is 6 weeks. And the fact that the Crown did not seek a custodial sentence in the first place was fatal. TBH I am not surprised at the appeal court decision. Message to the Crown Prosecutor “You stuffed it up now you want me to fix your mess.”
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:24am
    - alex Masterley
      
      There might be a vacancy for the role of Crown Solicitor in Tauranga shortly.
      
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      October 20, 2022 10:48am
    - MCōs
      
      Not quite right.
      The appeal took six weeks, which was too long.
      
      This morning I read on Twitter about a guy in the states who murdered his wife, but wasn’t charged because the police/prosecution considered she’d committed suicide.
      However.
      Her parents spent a ton of money to instigate civil proceedings and his story unraveled. He still only got 3-10yrs.
      Contrast that with a black guy who spent 2.5yrs on remand at Rikers without trial and was released because there was no evidence i.e. he was innocent
      And
      Another guy spent 35yrs in prison for shop lifting because it was his third strike.
      
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      October 20, 2022 1:26pm
      - MCōs
        
        All examples in this thread
        https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1582760544880459778?s=61&t=X9xfalGhA6gJwGnAtkEUIg
        
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        October 20, 2022 1:28pm
- Paulus
  
  Why does it appear that so many stupid Judges have been appointed in recent years – there seems that are getting more and more “bad” decisions being made.
  I assume that they have never heard of Common Sense, only the TOW’s interpretation.
  Judges only do what Parliament, which is Paramount, in the Law decide – as we are now seeing.
  
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  October 20, 2022 1:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Is Willy Jackson planning to dump a Co-Governance report on the public over the Christmas-New Year close down?

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/cabinet-still-waiting-on-co-governance-draft-plan
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October 20, 2022 8:51am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes. On 23 December. On 28 January Cabinet agrees to cogovernance. You were consulted. 🤡 🤥
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:00am
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    Consulted? Don’t you mean insulted?
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:20am
slightlyrighty

Yesterday in Parliament, in response to a question by Luxon.

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: “I see now the National Party questions Stats New Zealand”

Today…

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/prime-minister-s-office-apologises-for-misleading-comments-about-new-zealand-s-child-poverty-figures.html?fbclid=IwAR18AeA1mBHlMh4-39esi3aNNPXMUbdCso8pFdt1jxkx6E39tkXS_lhrRkk
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October 20, 2022 8:51am
- Tricati
  
  Ardern has lost both the plot, and the country, and is getting increasingly desperate. This revelation from Stats NZ, undermines her credibility speaking on child poverty – the reason she got into parliament.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:10am
  - Ruahine
    
    The reason Ardern got into parliament (politics) is the easy money and so that she and her child will not be living in poverty. Thanks taxpayers.
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:36am
- Inandout
  
  slight, her office apologises, not from her mouth. I believe there is no record of her apologising in person for anything.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:29am
  - pdm
    
    Won’t she have to apologise for misleading Parliament at the next sitting she attends?
    
    Oh no that is why she is off to Antarctica.
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:53am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Yes – even Stats NZ is not above being questioned. For Ardern to suggest that Stats NZ can’t be questioned shows her arrogance and ignorance.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:49am
Maggie Pie

Anyone else think Jesus must be due back any day now?
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October 20, 2022 8:54am
- Frank the tank
  
  TBH – it’s more likely the 4 horseman of the apocalypse will appear.
  
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  October 20, 2022 8:59am
- Harry Knuts
  
  I’m more of a Karma person myself Maggie. 🙂
  Same/same but different results aye?!
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:04am
- Ghost
  
  They’re all still in Mexico aren’t they?
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:16am
- Colville
  
  Jesus? wasnt he a carpenter?
  
  I wonder if his LBP is up to date…
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Can’t resist.
  One of the wise men was exceptionally tall and bumped his head on the low doorway as he entered the stable. “Jesus Christ” he exclaimed.
  Joseph said: “Write that down, Mary. It’s better than Brian.”
  
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  October 20, 2022 11:46am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxNmenrq5-k
What Happens if Iran Collapses?

Following mass protests and political crises, Iran is on the brink. So with the Iranian regime approaching collapse, we wanted to discuss what will happen when the regime finally falls; the outcome for the country and the region. [9:15]
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October 20, 2022 8:57am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_8H7B6dVEE
Groundswell Co-founder Bryce McKenzie on the upcoming protests.

Groundswell NZ Co-founder Bryce McKenzie speaks with Sean Plunket on the upcoming protests. [10:39]
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October 20, 2022 8:58am
Warren

The Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern get caught out massaging the figures on Child Poverty once again and the Prime Minister’s Office opologizes for misleading comments about New Zealand Child Poverty Figures.
Jacinda Ardern the Prime Minister had claimed Poverty figures were improving but incorrectly suggested the data included Children living in non-private dwellings.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/prime-minister-s-office-apologises-for-misleading-comments-about-new-zealand-s-child-poverty-figures.html
This is just another example of Jacinda Ardern’s misinformation that has been going on for nearly 5 years so it is good that someone in our media has finally called her out on her blatant lies.
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October 20, 2022 9:03am
PeeJay

Was reading about National re-committing to Bill English’s Social Investment policy.

I’ve always found it ironic that left portray themselves as the saviours of the working / underclass and the right get seen as on the side of the rich. Sure there have been many horrendous governments of blue and red who have both tested this to destruction, but the basic thesis still holds.

On reflection, reality tends to show a different approach.

Look at some of the great, well thought through policies of the last few years that could effect real change, particularly on the poorest and most disadvantaged Kiwis. Think of social investment or charter schools – two policies that looked at doing something different. Both centre-right policies. Both successful at helping the disadvantaged. There are more examples but these are great examples – health and education. Both areas where disadvantaged Kiwis need a change, both clearly working, and both ditched in a fit of idealogical pique by the incoming COL.

Left approach? Control, centralisation, more money hurled at the problem. Results? Measurement? Outcomes? Let’s not talk about that, let’s just continually refer to the record spending.

Was it the left that actually helped the poor and disadvantaged or was it the nasty right?

I’ve always tended to wonder if deep down that the left actually don’t want to help the poor. When voters move up in life, get better educated, move to ‘better areas’ get well paid jobs, they tend to drift right in their voting. It’s almost as if deep down, some left wing politicians know this hence they look like they are solving the issues (throw vast amounts of money at the issue), but deep down don’t really want to solve it – if they did, they’d effectively be sowing the seeds of their own demise.

All I know is that when you look at which side of the political divide poses policy that can actually make a real difference to the poor and disadvantaged, it’s often the right that tend to propose policy that can make a real difference – and often at a fraction of the cost of the left approach of throwing money around (actually debt but whatever).
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October 20, 2022 9:06am
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s not deep down. The Left want control. It’s their fundamental reason for existing. Successful, independent people are harder to control.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The left have not been portraying themselves as the saviours of the working / underclass since the 70s.
  Power is the game now, power and lies.
  
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  October 20, 2022 11:53am
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2022/10/bernadine-oliver-kerby-takes-extended-period-of-sick-leave-from-am-due-to-bell-s-palsy.html

Vaccine reaction much?

Keep getting those boosters…

Another mate dropped dead last week, 3 with heart problems (fit in their 40s) blood clots in a 30 year old, and that’s just the immediate group of people I know.

The only real question is whether the body will recover from the poison that has been injected or if once it’s in your done for, just a matter of when…
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October 20, 2022 9:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nuremberg 2.0 will come one day.
  https://www.onenewspage.com/video/20221013/15014914/Rob-Roos-Pfizer-director-admits-vaccine-was.htm
  
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  October 20, 2022 12:04pm
BeaB

RNZ their usual biased disgrace this morning. The announcer introduced Nicola Willis by asking if the National policy on social investment was ‘privatisation’. She gave several examples of existing private charities doing essential work alongside the state services. As if RNZ pressed a button, in came the comments , one anonymous, saying the whole thing was privatisation and a return to failed Victorian ideas of charity. And so we moved on.
Isn’t Jacinda lucky she has these guys so totally on her side, she is never questioned about anything her government does!
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October 20, 2022 9:14am
- riffer
  
  TBH, RNZ provide a nice contrast to Newstalk ZB. Except, on here, Newstalk are held up as some paragon of fairness.
  If you want to have an alternative viewpoint read out on RNZ, perhaps you might like to txt one in.
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:45am
  - All_on_Red
    
    RNZ should represent the views of all NZers
    They don’t.
    Who are the Conservatives on their staff?
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:54am
    - oldfella
      
      All on Red:
      
      RNZ should represent the views of all NZers
      
      That will surely happen when RNZ amalgamates with TVNZ in the atarowers’s new all singing, all dancing, all tay rayo public broadcaster.
      Can’t wait. //
      
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      October 20, 2022 10:32am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Appart from Hoskings and his wife and HDPA, try listening to Marcus Lush, Andrew Dickens or Simon & Jeff in the afternoons. They are as woke as woke.
    
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    October 20, 2022 12:46pm
- Prince
  
  Had to smile when, on Morning Report, interviewer gives a speech on the evils of farming, and asks the Groundswell Protest guy what his solution was to Climate Change. Just as his reply started he was interrupted by ‘Sorry we have run out of time…’
  Next item was some fluff about a reporter being given $40 to spend on vegies.
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:32am
  - MCōs
    
    He didn’t ask that question at all.
    He asked about farmers paying for the pollution they caused and Bryce McKenzie said they already with fuel tax like everyone else. He offered to go into it in great depth, but Mr D said no thanks.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018863431/farmers-hitting-the-road-for-another-protest
    
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    October 20, 2022 1:46pm
    - Prince
      
      Sorry, but the interviewer said the Country would have to ‘pick up the cost’ if farmers didn’t.
      The Groundswell guy said farmers used more fuel so would pay more, but then said ‘but this is about stock…’ and was cut short before he could explain.
      
      I stand by my original statement !
      
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      October 20, 2022 3:14pm
Ghost

Awww, she can’t even apologise herself

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/prime-minister-s-office-apologises-for-misleading-comments-about-new-zealand-s-child-poverty-figures.html

The Prime Minister’s office has apologised for misleading comments about New Zealand’s child poverty figures.

Jacinda Ardern has claimed poverty figures are improving but incorrectly suggested the data included children living in non-private dwellings.
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October 20, 2022 9:16am
- riffer
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  So what is different to Luxon saying that he was not advised correctly by his underlings?
  
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  October 20, 2022 9:46am
  - Ghost
    
    You mean what is the difference between Christopher fronting, admitting and or apologising for something, and her staff doing it for her
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    1. We, the taxpayer, are not paying Luxon’s underlings.
    
    2. The PM is the Minister for Child Poverty Reduction, yet she doesn’t have a clue as to what the measures of child poverty are actually measuring.
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:55am
  - Cinematic
    
    Riffer, I’m left wondering about your typefest over the last few days. Are you aware of Labours internal polling? Must be dire.
    
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    October 20, 2022 9:56am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      I’m all for Riffer and the likes to counter argue however Riffer is missing facts in their responses. It’s more a situation of flinging their own shit around and then seeing what sticks and what reaction they can get. Pointless.
      
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      October 20, 2022 10:28am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Pointless.
        
        Sadly, some people live pointless lives.
        
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        October 20, 2022 10:34am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    The difference between a political leader and a useless twat = a twit with a bigger arse. I can’t wait till our utterly useless and destructive hen party masquerading as a government and MSM go down in a heap of flames.
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:01am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    The PM is the Minister of child poverty is she not? If she relies on the accuracy reports/stats to give herself a big pat on the back at a press conference and doesn’t herself question the extend of what is and not included in the report so she fully understands it, then yes, she is also part of the misinformation by default if she thinks making info up on the fly is acceptable. After she is the one source of truth – her words, not mine.
    
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    October 20, 2022 10:10am
Master Mariner

Gee. I was hoping she would cut down Co2 emmissions and use magical and mythical Navigation / waka techniques and sail down and back.
Being a true believer and all.
In fact take the 2 Woods , one can be used as Ballast and Robertson can help with Navigation being ” Good with number”.
Take Stuff journalists along to record this Historic event.//
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October 20, 2022 9:51am
- Harry Knuts
  
  She more a do as I say and don’t do as I do kinda leader. I use the term leader sarcastically in the context of Cindy.
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:11am
Master Mariner

On phone.
Watched underwater footage of Nord stream pipeline.
It was blown up INTERNALLY.
ie sending down the pipeline itself.
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October 20, 2022 9:55am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Not sure about that. Internal gas pressure would have blown it outwards when the case was shattered. And an internal pressure wave would have damaged terminal equipment. Also hard to traverse long distances internally with no flow to propel it.
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:05am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  If both Sweden and the US both decline to reveal the source of the sabotage for the reasons of “national security” what does that suggest?
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    https://www.newsweek.com/video-biden-saying-end-nord-stream-resurfaces-after-pipeline-leak-1747005
    
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    October 20, 2022 12:15pm
- Ian Boag
  
  I did read a suggestion somewhere that the explosive might have been in a PIG – a thing that rolls through the pipe every so often cleaning off wax and looking for thin spots in the wall and stuff. I don’t imagine it would take a lot of explosive …
  
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  October 20, 2022 11:17am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Yes, but it had to travel 1000km to get there with no flow to propel it.
    
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    October 20, 2022 12:06pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Internal?
  
  Looks like this theory has just gained strength, Nordstream and its PMCS, being a combination of poor Preventative Maintenance Checks and Services and Methane Hydrate plugs:
  
  Near as I can tell — and do correct me if I’m wrong — Russia charged Nord 2 with 300 million cubic metres of natural gas in July of 2021 … and it never moved. It just sat there. Under 300 to 360 feet of salt water. To quote an email from a petroleum engineer: “Holy Jesus, that [deleted] pipline is one hairy snowball from end-to-end!”
  
  Nord 1 got shut down after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the gas hasn’t moved since. Just … hanging around. At the bottom of a sea. Yeah, it’s Russia. Those pipes are sodding well FULL of hydrates.
  
  Plus this news from Reuters on September 6, Gazprom: off-line Nord Stream compressor station now deemed hazardous. That’s part of the system needed to keep the pressure up. If pressure drops on one side of a methane hydrate plug it’s going to move, possibly quite fast – until it hits a bend.
  
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  October 20, 2022 2:13pm
Ghost

Home detention for multiple rapes, I’d guess that the punishment for ram raids is an autographed photo of the prime minister?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300716693/thousands-of-charges-laid-over-ramraids-youth-offending-in-auckland-and-waikato

Hundreds of arrests have been made in recent months in relation to offences at retailers across Auckland and Waikato.

Police have arrested 205 young people in Waikato a total of 307 times for ramraid and smash-and-grab style offending. A total of 1229 charges have been filed in the Youth Court.

Across Tāmaki Makaurau, police have arrested 142 youth offenders and laid 1036 charges since May.
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October 20, 2022 10:04am
Taieri

Across Tāmaki Makaurau
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What’s Tamaki Makaurau?
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October 20, 2022 10:08am
- oldfella
  
  Taieri: hopefully Wayne Brown’s next instruction to staff at ACC will be ‘start calling it Auckland again’.
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:37am
  - Jack5
    
    Same hope for Christchurch’s new mayor, Phil Mauger.
    
    Park “Ōtautahi” in a back room with the plan for a multi-million-dollar cycle way to the airport.
    
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    October 20, 2022 11:31am
- Benedict Yu
  
  In day to day conversation does anyone in Auckland refer to “Tamaki Makaurau”? I don’t mean journalists. Or weather presenters. Or public servants.
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:58am
  - graham
    
    Nope. Whenever I talk to friends or people at the office, nobody EVER says something like, “Yeah, looking forward to getting out of Tamaki Makaurau over the long weekend”.
    
    It’s ALWAYS Auckland.
    
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    October 20, 2022 11:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It’s a place in the mythical R. T. Rower
  
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  October 20, 2022 12:18pm
Alan Wilkinson

How come there are never any exceptional circumstances to save a dog from being put down if it bites someone or something but there are always exceptional circumstances to stop thugs being sentenced to preventive detention under three strikes law?
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October 20, 2022 10:09am
BeaB

Can you imagine the fear and hopelessness of a small child, already with injuries and hospital visits, surrounded by a procession of adults – family, judges, lawyers, teachers, doctors, nurses, probation officers, social workers, CYFS, Oranga Tamariki – all employed supposedly to protect him, recklessly and carelessly sending him back into terrible clutches of his violent abuser? A man so violent the social workers wouldn’t allow him on their own premises.
It breaks my heart. It makes me furious.
Kelvin Davis must resign. So should several of his colleagues in justice, social work and education.
Jacinda Ardern should hang her head in shame.
This is her New Zealand. This is her achievement and legacy.
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October 20, 2022 10:11am
cas

This from my daily email from the Sydney morning Herald.

COVID response ‘failed vulnerable people’

An independent review of Australia’s response to COVID-19 has found ill-conceived policies, politically driven health orders and excessive use of lockdowns failed to protect the old, disregarded the young and abandoned disadvantaged communities. The review, led by former top public servant Peter Shergold, urges federal and state governments to learn from the mistakes of this pandemic and overhaul planning and transparency before the next one. Photo: Jessica Hromas

The final report identifies four key failings: inequitable government support measures that exacerbated existing social disadvantages; the unjustified closure of schools; inadequate protection of aged care residents; and the overuse of “brutal” lockdowns and “draconian” border closures. It states that lockdowns were a sensible measure at the start of the pandemic but were subsequently avoidable and “driven by policy failures”, particularly in Sydney and Melbourne.

The report is also highly critical of mass school closures, which it says affected children’s education, social development and mental and physical health, and overburdened female parents and carers. Data from one Melbourne hospital shows a record number of women are now seeking mental health support. “Frontline workers, women, children, aged care residents, people with disabilities, ethnic communities, international students, expatriates overseas and those already experiencing relative socioeconomic disadvantage bore the brunt of the pandemic,” the review states. “Left unchecked, the recovery threatens to be just as unequal.”

They’ve already had one while we are still discussing it at cabinet and guess what the results aren’t good. therefore look for some very watered down terms of reference from ours.
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October 20, 2022 10:23am
- K
  
  “ Frontline workers, women, children, aged care residents, people with disabilities, ethnic communities, international students, expatriates overseas and those already experiencing relative socioeconomic disadvantage bore the brunt of the pandemic”. In other words, everyone apart from white males earning more than average and not working in healthcare bore the brunt of the pandemic. On one hand it concerns me that even otherwise sensible reports play to this identity crap. On the other hand, maybe it’s the only way to get lefties to understand that they can never do it like this again.
  
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  October 20, 2022 12:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda Ardern assured NZ that the folks living in Emergency Housing in Rotorua were Not out-of-towners.

He said he found “unbelievable” the continued “denials” of the council, Government departments, MPs and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern – whom he said was recorded as saying it was a “perception” people came from out of town.

But had she even bothered to check on the facts of the matter before she lied?

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/rotorua-emergency-housing-motels-locals-make-heartfelt-pleas-to-commissioners-to-end-chaotic-system/
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October 20, 2022 10:31am
- Ghost
  
  Let’s just admit that if it is coming from her mouth you can no longer trust the new Zealand prime Minister
  
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  October 20, 2022 10:33am
  - oldfella
    
    How can you tell if Jacinda is lying? Her lips are moving.
    
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    October 20, 2022 11:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She knows that we know that she knows she is lying, so it does not matter.
  Lie away as you please Jaspinda, your credibility is in the gutter.
  
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  October 20, 2022 12:23pm
  - Ghost
    
    I doubt she knows much. Smile at the camera, tilt face, read the script.
    
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    October 20, 2022 12:24pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Cindy has long argued that motels for emergency housing was way better than living in cars. I always argued it was a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire. Living in a motel is no place for kids of NZ and we are now 5 years of this. Cindy all you are doing is shuffling the deck chairs on the titantic.
  
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  October 20, 2022 12:41pm
Gravelroad

At the risk of starting up another debate on electric cars I had a laugh earlier this week about the guy interviewed on TV news.
The story was about Waka Kotahi suddenly going to totally close SH6 between Rai Valley (Marlborough) and Hira (Nelson) for seven weeks before Christmas.
Urgent flood repairs.
There are more people than many would realise living in the Rai Valley/Sounds areas. And a lot of them work, shop and go to doctors, schools and so on in Nelson.
This guy said he had an electric car which he drove to Nelson from Rai Valley for work every week day.
Except his electric car was not going to make it using the much longer alternate route which would add two hours to the journey.
He looked quite crestfallen as he would now have to pay for 7 weeks accommodation in Nelson.
I expect he will be applying for some Labour Party help by way of a benefit.
And also perhaps lobbying for a charging station somewhere up by Lake Rotoiti.
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October 20, 2022 11:19am
- Benedict Yu
  
  He probably has a second hand Nissan Leaf or similar. There are a few EVs on sale in New Zealand with real world range of over 600 kilometres. Provided you have $170,000 to spend on a car.
  
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  October 20, 2022 11:35am
- [email protected]
  
  Maybe renting a petrol car would be cheaper than staying in a motel or hotel.
  
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  October 20, 2022 12:47pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘applying for some Labour Party help’
  
  Didn’t the taxpayer already subsidise the sale of these hunks of shit .
  
  Shocking waste of our money.
  
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  October 20, 2022 2:05pm
oldfella

So Cindy has announced Dec 10th for the Hamilton bye-election. Hopefully National is ready to go and has a good candidate in place. I gather Tim Macindoe, who lost it to Sharma, is raring to have a go at winning it back.
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October 20, 2022 11:46am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Tim Macindoe has remained active in the Hamilton community, and to the best of my knowledge, will contest the nomination. That HamWest went from a 7000 National majority in 2017 to a 6000 Labour majority in 2020 is only because of a tide of covid-induced Jacindamania that swept through in 2020. National will win the seat back, and hold it for some time to come.
  
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  October 20, 2022 12:54pm
- MCōs
  
  Might coincide with a general election in the UK the way things are going over there.
  https://twitter.com/alan_mcguinness/status/1582780559989739522?s=61&t=G_0ns5ZvV9lk5-xhmSFfVw
  
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  October 20, 2022 2:00pm
  - MCōs
    
    https://twitter.com/gillotine1878/status/1582852568052486145?s=61&t=G_0ns5ZvV9lk5-xhmSFfVw
    
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    October 20, 2022 2:15pm
Harry Knuts

Pretty sure they brought themselves into disrepute and still doing it daily regardless of Sharma – https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/gaurav-sharma-officially-expelled-from-labour-after-bringing-party-into-disrepute/ar-AA139MmP?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=c203c19e5c0742598513b68c6b29e011
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October 20, 2022 11:48am
- cmm
  
  It’s a bit like that funny attributed to Groucho Marx:
  “I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.”
  
  I really can’t see how a bunch of shitheads like labour can blame anyone of bringing their organisation into disrepute.
  
  Sharma is/was the only one with any spine in Labour. He was shanked for showing it.
  
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  October 20, 2022 3:54pm
Ruawai

This is gold, Transmission Gully video of a ute driver moving the protesters van and all the while his audio book plays calmly in the background.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/video-footage-captures-moment-frustrated-motorist-moves-protesters-van-blocking-transmission-gully.html
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October 20, 2022 12:15pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Good on him. These idiots who protest in this manner are one day going to get a good smack in the head by some annoyed bloke – then watch them blub.
  
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  October 20, 2022 1:54pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hire Vans. Who is paying?
  
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  October 20, 2022 4:58pm
Nickc2

Everything you wanted to know about Cindy’s beloved Black Rock but was afraid to ask.
https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/10/20/free-taste-of-an-insight-politics-article-by-nathan-smith-17/
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October 20, 2022 12:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Good reading.
  
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  October 20, 2022 12:55pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Scary huh?
    No doubt Cindy had her Begging Bowl in hand when she went there.
    
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    October 20, 2022 12:59pm
Ghost

I think Kiwiblog needs a New Zealander of the week.

May I suggest this is the first one

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/video-footage-captures-moment-frustrated-motorist-moves-protesters-van-blocking-transmission-gully.html
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October 20, 2022 12:41pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  They are so dumb they left the keys in it and the door open….ha ha.
  
  If it was me I would have driven it further and then chucked the keys away.
  
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  October 20, 2022 12:45pm
  - Ghost
    
    Yeah, I would of locked the van, kept the keys and rung the hire company to complain and give the keys back
    
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    October 20, 2022 12:47pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bet he didn’t leave his keys in his car
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:16am
rockape

Looks like there may be a major protest by nurses in Hamilton West over their pay equity,new pay agreement and holiday pay errors going back 7 years. Labours candidate won’t be a happy bunny.
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October 20, 2022 12:42pm
Jack5

Hard to beat for uselessness the Plain Language Bill, just passed into legislation.

It defines “plain language” as being:

a: appropriate to the intended audience; and
b: clear, concise, and well organised.

That’s as undetermined and contentious as “plain language” itself. Can the concept of “plain language” be determined sufficiently for it to be a legal requirement?

Department heads (commissioners), or for Crown “entities”, the Minister in charge, must:

a: consult the persons or organisations that the Commissioner thinks appropriate; and

b: have regard to international best practice in connection with plain language writing.

“Plain language” will have a million meanings to a million citizens. What if simple grammar is not the real goal?

Is this legislation ultimately about enforcing Woke, politically correct language in official communications?

Newspeak was the official language of Oceania in Orwell’s novel. 1984

“Plain Language,” or Newspeak Aotearoa, may be destined for the plebs who can’t speak the ruling class’s Te Reo.
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October 20, 2022 1:50pm
- cmm
  
  Due to the very small number of people who can use Maori on a day to day basis, can anything written in Maori really be considered plain language?
  
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  October 20, 2022 2:37pm
Takere

The Hauraki Gulf forum is a private entity run by no other than Paul Majurey. Yup that’s right! Eke Panuku’s chairman. Another one of his side-hustles.
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October 20, 2022 2:12pm
- MCōs
  
  No it’s not, it’s a statutory body and no he doesn’t run it.
  https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/about-auckland-council/how-auckland-council-works/harbour-forums/Pages/hauraki-gulf-forum.aspx
  
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  October 20, 2022 2:42pm
Bridgenag

I don’t watch MSM for my own sanity and for the protection of the TV from flying objects so would appreciate someone with the steel to watch them let us know the details the coverage for the groundswell today. Last time the farmers got 20seconds max with the general report focussed on how much of a disruption they were. The blokes at bowls particularly keen to know.
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October 20, 2022 2:17pm
NZer In Exile

Paypal!!!

Paypal misinformation fine ($2,500) – Close Your Accounts ASAP!:
https://tinyurl.com/yvt7zj7v

Woke-grifting big tech try to their cover tracks on this (as they do):
https://odysee.com/@AnythingGoes:2/f**k-paypal:2
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October 20, 2022 2:18pm
- Ghost
  
  They canceled that policy almost straight away from the huge backlash
  
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  October 20, 2022 2:22pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Ghost: “They canceled that policy almost straight away from the huge backlash.”
    
    So all is OK? We can go back to sleep?
    
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    October 20, 2022 2:35pm
    - Ghost
      
      All I’m saying is the policy was revoked, you can twist that to mean what ever you want
      
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      October 20, 2022 2:46pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        No twisting involved Ghost. I asked a question.
        
        I’ll answer it. No, it’s not OK. PP, like many big tech tossers have gotten too big for their boots and have also decided to be dragged around by the short and curlies by the most juvenile and irrational of their employees.
        
        I decided to delete my data and account a few weeks ago when I heard they were kicking people off PP because those people didn’t conform to the political and moral ideology of PP. They’ve actually ruined people’s online businesses in doing this. They are not the govt. They can get F’d!
        
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        October 20, 2022 6:21pm
      - Ghost
        
        I deleted PayPal years ago, no idea why people have kept using it with all they keep doing, but so glad they took a financial hit, maybe Elon can take over the rest of it and rebrand it with twitter, lol. Elon’s connection to everything in getting creepy
        
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        October 20, 2022 6:31pm
  - 2ic
    
    “They canceled that policy almost straight away from the huge backlash”
    
    And therein lies the problem. Paypal didn’t back down because it was an outrageous policy – it was because their customers started closing there accounts in droves.
    
    I for one closed my PayPal account even after they backed down.
    
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    October 20, 2022 3:17pm
    - Ghost
      
      I’d say the financial backlash is what spoke to them, losing $50 billion in your share price has got to hurt
      
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      October 20, 2022 4:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Fauci. Shutdowns. Same in NZ.
https://leadpatriot.com/fauci-drops-another-doozy-i-nothing-to-do-with-school-closures-cue-twilight-zone/19494/
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October 20, 2022 2:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Someone here today mentioned Kari Lake. Frank the Tank and Random T Person.
Here she is in full swing. “Anthony how old are you?” “20” “Are you a journalist?” “No” “You did better research than half these people”
https://dailypoliticalnewswire.com/watch-kari-lake-exposes-the-hypocrisy-of-the-democrats/https://dailypoliticalnewswire.com/watch-kari-lake-exposes-the-hypocrisy-of-the-democrats/
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October 20, 2022 2:50pm
Maggie Pie

FACTOID

Most people will have heard of Karl Marx, but few will know of his sister Onya, an Olympic runner. Her name is still mentioned at the start of every race.
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October 20, 2022 3:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Stop it! Who writes your material?//
  
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  October 20, 2022 3:14pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Dad
    
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    October 20, 2022 3:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Irrational and unreasonable!

Didn’t need a High Court determination to tell us the bleeding obvious about Trevor Mallard.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130235613/trevor-mallard-decision-to-trespass-winston-peters-irrational-unreasonable-high-court-says-just-hours-before-parliament-farewell
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October 20, 2022 3:31pm
- nathie
  
  Imagine the PM having to continue to defend Mallard if he remained the Speaker – no wonder why Labour’s Witless Protection Scheme found an opportunity in Ireland for him … Mallard couldn’t get any further away!
  
  How convenient (and very much not Open and Transparent, how typical)!
  
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  October 20, 2022 3:41pm
  - kowtow
    
    Giving senior retiring senior diplomatic postings is just “jobs for the boys” ( putting it politely )
    
    Both major parties do it .
    
    Bolger got Washington DC .
    
    Trump rightly called it the Swamp . And it needs draining.
    
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    October 20, 2022 4:38pm
  - igm
    
    Come on Mr Luxon, guarantee us this little creep will be recalled, along with Goff . . . . both being unfit for purpose.
    
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    October 20, 2022 5:42pm
- cmm
  
  Once again, a shocking case of delaying prosecution until there are no consequences.
  
  There’s a club and we’re not part of it.
  
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  October 20, 2022 3:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We have seen the driver’s face, so nothing will happen.
  Was this today?
  
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  October 20, 2022 3:59pm
Takere

An interesting “Development”.

Eke Panuku and H.U.D, KaingaOra in Court soon?
A conflict of interest?
The Chairman of eke Panuku Paul Majurey and Ockham, Mark Todd, housing development get the green light for consents and government investment and the developments in South Auckland gets the bums rush.

This development by Winton v …

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/130223791/property-development-company-winton-takes-kinga-ora-to-court-over-refusal-to-fasttrack-4b-carless-neighbourhood

Versus these ones … by Majurey and Ockham.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new-multi-billion-dollar-village-planned-for-owairaka-mt-albert-by-marutuahu-ockham/OHN4SJNAJ5VSQMGCRTC5CKA4ZQ/
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October 20, 2022 3:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

There is just an endless cycle of vulnerable kiddies being killed whilst Oranga Tamariki looks away.

https://www.teaomaori.news/man-who-fatally-injured-toddler-had-threatened-oranga-tamariki-staff-and-was-known-risk
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October 20, 2022 3:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘The court-ordered report was conducted by a staff member who wasn’t her supervisor’s first choice, according to evidence, and staffing pressures and workload caused stress for OT workers at the time.’
  There is the problem, make of it what you like.
  Fuck!
  These little kids did not ask to be born into this. Remember this is a death, how many guys are doing this to SOCKs? Don’t know what that means? Some other——
  
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  October 20, 2022 4:08pm
  - igm
    
    “These little kids did not ask to be born into this.”
    No, they were born for income, houses, and any other taxpayer-paid benefits the likes of Sepuloni decree necessary to remain in power, fucking the country financially and socially.
    
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    October 20, 2022 5:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Thanx Robbo & Co

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/477052/stats-nz-data-reveals-90b-wiped-off-nzers-household-net-worth-in-three-months
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October 20, 2022 4:02pm
Ghost

Well I hope Aucklanders use buses, they’re mostly empty down here

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/130206182/hundreds-of-auckland-homeowners-could-lose-land-to-busway-project

Hundreds of homeowners have been left shocked to find a letter in the post notifying them their properties could be turned into a bus lane.
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October 20, 2022 4:20pm
Swifty

If of interest………

Swifty lives!

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October 20, 2022 5:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well done,
  Take care
  (i.e. No celebratory drink tonight).
  
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  October 20, 2022 7:10pm
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks Maggy.
    
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    October 20, 2022 8:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Happy it went well for you.
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:20am
igm

“Stuff” earning their taxpayers’ monetary survival package: No mention of the demonstrations against Ardern and her cohorts.
Never mind, wait till she goes to Hamilton and Waitangi, she will learn a lesson re popularity.
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October 20, 2022 5:46pm
- igm
  
  They had no mention of this when I looked. Now they are using it to spin, as per the conditions of their taxpayer funding.
  
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  October 20, 2022 6:15pm
Surely Knott

Stuff’s Headline: “Voices For Freedom Hijack Farmer’s Protest” They claim: “Groundswell’s cause was hijacked by abuse from Voices for Freedom supporters and far-right conspiracists, including white supremacist”

The image on the article showing the reality: 4 signs directly about Farmers and the economic effects. 1 x Vff Freedom sign held by a woman waving and supporting the tractor coming through and 3 signs for a Maori Sovereignty group with pro farmer messages, like beef not crickets and positive land rights messages.

The third image showed a group of VFF signs and people all had relevant messages for the day. that said “Toot for Farmers”, “Where does your food come from?” “No farmers no food” and “Jacinda is out of control” They didn’t appear to be trying to hijack the cause they were supporting it.

And there is no imagery that looks even slightly far -right or white supremacist. A normal looking cross section of middle NZ showing up for farmers.

Calling a group far-right is like calling someone a Nazi. It’s gross and completely inaccurate. If they are calling people fascists they should back it up with facts.

But as usual the Stuff story looked to make the journalist claim victim status and put themselves at the centre of their article by claiming one person in the crowd called them Media Scum. Not very nice to be sure, but not far right. And irrelevant to the story which should be about the farmers and the legislation being proposed.
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October 20, 2022 5:49pm
- Ghost
  
  Saw them on the side of the road down here, peacefully holding up their signs, lot of support from all the traffic.
  
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  October 20, 2022 5:53pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  The MSM doing the bidding of the regime again, like very affordable prostitutes.
  
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  October 20, 2022 6:27pm
AndyW

Maori climate science at the COP27 summit in Egypt:
“(Pākehā don’t know why whales beach themselves but we do. They come to talk to their peers and to tell of their travels. We know about this, we know how to look after whales.” Conservation International NZ vice-president Mere Takoko
That’s science.
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October 20, 2022 7:55pm
- igm
  
  How much ore of this crap are we expected to endure?
  
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  October 21, 2022 2:24am
Ghost

Live feed, supply your own popcorn

UK politics live: Liz Truss faces deepening turmoil after day of chaos

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/oct/20/uk-politics-live-liz-truss-tories-turmoil-suella-braverman-resigns-fracking
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October 20, 2022 8:07pm
Ghost

Thanks labour you bunch off (insert your own words here)

Patient suffering brain bleed waited hours in ED as new figures reveal some regions short 50 ED nurses

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/patient-suffering-brain-bleed-waited-hours-in-ed-as-new-figures-reveal-some-regions-short-50-ed-nurses.html
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October 20, 2022 8:08pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Can she sue the Waikato District Health Board, or whoever runs the mickey mouse outfit? This is 2022, it should not be happening!
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:24am
igm

One must receive results from what one sows!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/130230655/aaron-hawkins-likens-losing-the-dunedin-mayoralty-to-a-very-public-divorce
Take note those making misery for the (now) majority.
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October 21, 2022 2:22am
krazykiwi

kk yesterday: [Truss] isn’t the ‘approved’ PM. Sunak was the anointed one, but the democratic process delivered Truss. But they’ll get her eventually. The latest grenade tossed in her direction is Hunt, an approved Chancellor with impeccable pedigree (strident lockdown supporter, strident Remainer, his wife is a Chinese national and prominent national journalist who conveys overt support for CCP policies – anti-uighurs, anti-Hong Kong freedom protesters)

kk today: They got her. Politically punched, kicked, knifed and now deep sixed. Watch as WEF-aligned Manchurian candidates continue to fill key positions.
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