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Yvette

Will Ardern’s Labour Government be guilty of “hate speech” incitement under it own proposed legislation change to include “religion”?

Under the link – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/abortion-debate-richard-prebble-christopher-luxons-captains-call-ordering-simon-oconnor-to-delete-facebook-post/SKLFYLDFSZ4K6LOSB5646MTKPY/
– that article (Abortion debate: Richard Prebble – Christopher Luxon’s captain’s call ordering Simon O’Connor to delete Facebook post) is Subscription-Walled, but a video displays an interview with Christopher Luxon on “abortion” with his concluding words being –

“As a Member of Parliament, I can have a personal view, but my job is to represent all interests of New Zealanders. I have been very clear about that. Even in my Maiden Speech to say I’m here not to represent one group or one interest. None of us are here to do that, we are here to represent the interests of all New Zealanders.”

This is in response to several negatively critical attacks – and predominately, it seems, by the Ardern Labour Government [1] – over Luxon’s views which are religiously held, and which surely must now be protected, because the verbal attacks, the speech, is misinformation intended to incite the action of not voting for “those religious views” in the next Election – so those attacks would now qualify under the proposed extension of adding “religion” to those groups protected from verbal abuse that incites physical action.
Right?
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[1] Luxon also said New Zealand’s abortion laws won’t be “relitigated or revisited” under a future National Government.
But despite his assurances, Robertson urged the leader to make his view on abortion clear, pointing to Luxon’s 2021 comment that he believes abortion is tantamount to murder.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/06/grant-robertson-accuses-christopher-luxon-of-political-spin-to-hide-real-views-on-abortion-after-roe-v-wade-overturned.html
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November 25, 2022 8:09am
Bloody Dago

Good to have Steven Joyce back on ZB this morning, I hope he’s a regular commentator going forward into 2023.
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November 25, 2022 8:10am
- Tricati
  
  His comment Labour will go after Luxon with the same tactics Clark used in 2005 (Denigrate the opposition leader), as the current mob have nothing to offer, was a good message to National – Get ready, and get your responses on point.
  
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  November 25, 2022 8:48am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Nobody needs to go after Lovely Luxon. He will shoot himself in the foot many times and tumble over big time. Bring on Nice Nicola as the leader.
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:55am
    - tavita
      
      Luxon is actually doing quite well in the favored prime minister polls. I am inclined to think it is because the MSM and the Labour party continuously pick on him. As a result, everyone knows who the leader of the opposition is.
      
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      November 25, 2022 3:24pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        If the media are at him all the time, it is just publicity for Luxon.
        Go for it. Earn your $55 million you suckers.
        
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        November 25, 2022 4:08pm
Warren

You can always guarantee when the media roll out Bryce Edward’s that the Labour Party and the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is in trouble whether it be the economy, inflation, or law and order.
But this time it is the whole three and they need someone to attack the National Party as well because now they are facing bad press after a Horrific Homicide in Jacinda Ardern’s own electorate.
The voter also face hugh interest rise in their mortgages after the RNZ Bank lift the OCR by 75 points which will have interest rates climb that will hurt struggling Families.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/bryce-edwards-politicians-and-the-reserve-bank-are-being-blamed-for-an-escalating-economic-crisis/QM3II4ILSRB7PIHLBZBGXHH54Q/
Bryce Edward’s goes on to criticize Chris Luxon and National believing they have done nothing to show the voter they are more Prudent and believes Labour are still in the running to be returned as the Government Next Election even though
Politician’s and the Reserve Bank are being blamed for a escalating economic crisis.
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November 25, 2022 8:12am
- Simon
  
  The OCR is at a chicken shit 4%. Add two numbers get the average housing loan rate.
  
  4% is a very low rate. What has happened over the years is too much debt. House debt is almost 100% of GDP so a 4% OCR crushes the economy.
  
  Zero covid nutjobs blew up the world but years of wasteful misallocation of resources funded by cheap debt, chickens coming home etc etc.
  
  The position is now is society can not afford to carry the shit weight of govt.
  
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  November 25, 2022 8:50am
  - bjools
    
    On Stuff
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/130570951/what-are-the-alternatives-to-hiking-the-official-cash-rate
    Suggests it’s our fault for spending money.
    No mention of the govt.’s borrow to the max and spend on self promotion projects. (instead of roads, hospitals etc)
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:29am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      You have to laugh. Government print money and doll it out in the expectation that people will spend it and keep the economy going. Government claim any inflation is caused by impact of stuff offshore, and will be transitory. People spend money given by Government, inflation turns out to be because Government printed money in the expectation it would be spent chasing goods and services that don’t exist in enough quantity. Government blames people for spending and everyone overseas because the Government only did what everyone else was doing. Government populated by the stupid.
      
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      November 25, 2022 10:15am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “The OCR is at a chicken shit 4%”
    
    Yes and the trajectory is nasty. Hold onto your ass.
    
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    November 25, 2022 5:51pm
    - Jim
      
      Buckle up for 7% with WEF TGR acolytes Ardern and Robbo at the helm.
      
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      November 25, 2022 7:11pm
- Random T Person
  
  Just because you don’t like what Bryce Edwards has to say, doesn’t make him biased or wrong. He is right about Luxon and National, whether you like it or not.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:25am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Bryce Edwards is right Mr Warren. Labour is a shoe-in at 2023. Hamilton West byelection will prove that. Wait for it.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:56am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    SCS, if you are that confident, go have a chat with Sir Bob Jones. He will take your bet of $2000 that Labour will get back in.
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:17am
- Paulus
  
  It has now been declared by himself that it is all Orr’s fault, and he has accepted that on the nose.
  Not Ardern or Robertson but Orr remember.
  
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  November 25, 2022 1:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why have a retail crime prevention fund if it is not able to be accessed?

“I asked Police Minister Chris Hipkins in Parliament whether the Government would finally fix the criteria in light of the tragedy. He admitted he didn’t know why the dairy hadn’t been helped, but there are no plans to change the criteria.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2211/S00216/government-wont-commit-to-changes-for-retail-crime-fund.htm
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November 25, 2022 8:13am
- cmm
  
  The police refused to allow the dairy to install a fog canon.
  The question I have is this:
  * Were the cops refusing to allow them to install a fog canon at their own expense? If so, it is appalling that the police have the power to make these decisions.
  * Were the cops refusing to have it funded from the retail crime prevention fund? If so, why are the cops administering this fund? It is hardly their core business.
  
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  November 25, 2022 8:31am
  - peterwn
    
    Presumably whoever administers the fund rely on the Police to set priorities. Interestingly in this case the superette is in Jacinda’s electorate.
    Incidentally a fog canon costs about $4,000. So while Michael Hill would pay for fog canons for its shops, the average dairy owner would just the the risk of not having one unless the fund can meet the cost.
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:05am
  - Keith White
    
    I agree they should not have a fog cannon. They should have an onager, Greek fire, Janissaries and (my fave) a trebuchet as they wish. After all, Hipkins and Robertson and The (allegedly former) President of International Socialist Youth are prancing around protected at all times by people armed with Assaulting Weaponry. Time for the voters to identify as Ben-Hur (or maybe Aelius Maximus Decimus Meridius, or even Proximo… who has more of my build and my liver) to even things up.
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:51am
- Simon
  
  The real question is why does society have to tolerate wide spread crime?
  
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  November 25, 2022 8:53am
  - Jim
    
    Fully concur Simon. When will politicians, police and the general public take a BIG step back and consider the sad reality of NZ’s societal decay over the past 5 years. I find it incredulous that we are now indirectly blaming a man’s murder on a lack of fog canons, bollards and protective cages.
    
    As a society we are subscribing to a general acceptance that criminals are bailed and paroled, and yet we are content with shopkeepers and bus drivers requiring protective cages!
    
    Ardern and Hipkins are now flapping in the breeze, and hoping this story will quickly pass.
    
    These new trendy shop defences are not the answer, as villains will always work out new ways to defeat any such defence systems.
    
    Society is simply accepting an escalation of criminality, and ultimately it’s likely to lead to a villain walking in and immediately shooting the shopkeeper dead, in order to nullify any potential resistance and/or defence systems.
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:27am
    - Ghost
      
      They are not an answer to reduce crime, but they have success
      
      https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/105160371/fog-cannons-thwart-armed-offenders-three-times-in-three-weeks
      
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      November 25, 2022 9:41am
      - Jim
        
        Noted, but it’s a short term success as criminals will either:
        1. employ more sophisticated planning
        2. become more brutal (imho most likely)
        
        Either way society is still sleep walking towards accepting more retail worker deaths.
        
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        November 25, 2022 9:51am
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah, and with the young ram raiders getting wrap around wellbeing support, we’ll we will see them in the news again and again….
        
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        November 25, 2022 9:53am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Why were the Police against the fog cannon installation?
        More important, who gave the Police that authority?
        The actual Police person needs to explain – a man is dead.
        
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        November 25, 2022 9:53am
    - kglm
      
      Societal breakdown in NZ has been gradual, beginning in my opinion from the 1980’s, but certainly accelerating over the last 10 years. I believe there are two major causes; the breakdown of the traditional family, and the changing of attitudes about what is socially acceptable. Firstly, the breakdown of the family has been aided and abetted by Government policy that allows women to more easily have children outside of traditional family arrangements because of welfare benefits. Resident fathers are no longer necessary, and this adversary impacts on a child’s social development. Secondly, changing attitudes to a multitude of moral and social issues (gender, crime, religion, family, race, etc) all contribute to societal breakdown. The causes of the changing attitudes are nebulous but governments and media contribute. Welfare and more liberal attitudes are applauded as progress by many, but the unintended consequences have now emerged.
      
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      November 25, 2022 10:28am
      - Jim
        
        It’s noticeably accelerated in the past 5 years
        
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        November 26, 2022 5:52pm
  - Prince
    
    Correct. NZ needs an anti- fog cannon to clear the bullshit Ardern and her devotees spread on a daily basis.
    Out with the failure government.
    
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    November 25, 2022 11:13am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Simon: “The real question is why does society have to tolerate wide spread crime?”
    
    Because pampered idiots voted for pampered idiots. Voila; Crime and dysfunction is reaching disturbing levels.
    
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    November 25, 2022 5:54pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Who would have thought that reducing prisons by 30% would result in this?
    
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    November 26, 2022 8:58pm
- Ghost
  
  The thing is this was set up in 2017 by national, why the hell are businesses still not protected, 5 years and they are still having to apply. Would of hoped by now they all had been fitted out
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:15am
  - Jim
    
    See my post above, and then what next?
    
    Cages, anti- stab vests and mace sprays for all retail staff including supermarkets?
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:30am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Most of these crims are not first time offenders. They should be in jail, take them out of circulation.
      Duck Steve, incoming bullshit from soft cocks.
      
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      November 25, 2022 9:56am
      - leoj
        
        Yup, build more prisons.
        
        Put the bad bastards away for longer.
        
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        November 25, 2022 6:16pm
    - Keith White
      
      Paul Kersey be next.
      
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      November 25, 2022 10:52am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Ghost – It takes time to undo the nine long years of neglect by National. Give Labour another term and see how Cindy transforms NZ and eliminate poverdy.
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:58am
    - Ghost
      
      There are some topics your immature trolling needs to stay away from
      
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      November 25, 2022 10:00am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      I’m sure it does take time to undo nine long years SCS, but it will take exponentially longer to undo even 1 year of the Labour Party’s ineptitude.
      
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      November 25, 2022 1:36pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I’m assuming sarcasm is the default mode with you SCS🤣.
      
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      November 25, 2022 5:42pm
- kowtow
  
  The point of the fund was not to prevent crime or protect the businesses.
  
  It was to make the criticism go away . Literally a Sir Humphrey Appleby cynical solution .
  
  But as with everything this Poo Finger regime touches it turns to shit , cos they are shit.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:32am
Loddenthinks

$1uffed caught telling lies again, this time about a presenter at a conference in Nelson.

A story, published on the 10th June headlined “Transgender conference sparks fierce national backlash”, which said a conference on the ‘negative’ impacts of transgenderism had caused outrage across the rainbow community.

They named the speaker, calling her a “detransitioner” which apparently she is not, and the story was unbalanced and inaccurate with no attempt to investigate opposing views.

Guts of the story is that this person raised legitimate concerns about childhood gender dysphoria and $1uffed attacked her because, in their words, “Stuff said it took the view that giving a voice to certain opinions on transgender issues amounted to giving a platform to prejudice and views that might cause harm. Stuff went on to say a similar issue arose in the reporting of climate change where it was not a requirement to include comments from climate change deniers for balance.”

$1uffed made the case (and I am not making this up) that they should be allowed to write in an unfair, inaccurate and unbalanced way about people standing up for children with gender dysphoria issue, because they’ve been allowed to get away with doing the exact same thing on climate change.

The Media Council upheld the complaints, and $1uffed were forced to correct and apologise.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/300746078/nz-media-council-upholds-complaint-against-the-nelson-mail
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November 25, 2022 8:15am
- Matt Long
  
  Governments overseas are backing off the child sexual mutilation agenda presumably because they can see the wall of law suits coming as young adults come to understand what has been done to them by the groomers.
  
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  November 25, 2022 8:19am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yep, they’ll be calling for an amnesty soon. “We were following the science!”
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:52am
    - anonymouse
      
      So while the media are out moaning and b$tching that they are “fair and balanced” we discover that Stuff had adopted a view that anyone not on “their” side of Trans issues was akin to a “climate change denier”…
      
      Great to know this.. would they care to let us “little people” know what other issues they don’t permit debate on… just so we are all on the same page….
      
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      November 25, 2022 10:01am
- zulumonster
  
  The majority of that article was not an apology for their attack on the woman who complained, it was a long winded, logic deprived, ramble of excuses … with a smidgeon of contrition hidden amongst the BS.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:07am
- RoboRob
  
  There should be a financial penalty for this stuff. No one reads the corrections and the apologies are fake. To really put a stop to this nonsense there has to be a cost to the organisation publishing false stories.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:07am
  - herb1
    
    The financial penalty is nobody with functioning grey matter reads or believes there stories.
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:17am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  If it is Nelson mail, then may be it is the fault of former National MP Nick Smith??? Chief Thief is just asking….
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:59am
- Paulus
  
  So what, Stuffed got the PR anyway – all news is good news for the so called media.
  
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  November 25, 2022 1:26pm
Matt Long

PaulL, the government called and said, ” PRODUCTIVITY!!!, We Don’t Need No Stinking Productivity.”
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/130568810/fight-over-enormous-protected-tree-on-womans-property-heads-to-jury-trial
The Council’s own representatives are going hard because they believe the tree in question could live another five to ten more years??!!!
You people keep voting for them, other people might say the council people who just keep on doing stuff like this should be tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail, but you people keep on voting for them.
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November 25, 2022 8:15am
- redeye
  
  “Planner Mary Clay and arborist Brad Cadwallader appeared in support of the Asburton District Council, which argued the tree should remain.”
  
  Brad Cadwallader seems to be involved in almost every dispute over tree removals in the south island. Put his name into Stuff’s own search box and you’ll see pages and pages of results showing when he has appeared in support of the trees/councils.
  Guns for hire like this bloke should not be considered impartial and paid for with ratepayers money.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It seems nonsense to suggest that the tree :
  is rare in Canterbury and therefore of scientific and botanical value,
  
  It is not a native tree. .. so not rare in any ecological sense. It was just not commonly planted in times past.
  
  There’s at least a couple of commercial nurseries in the South Island selling silver limes….so again, not rare, in any horticultural sense.
  
  The tree is widely grown in Europe as an ornamental tree in urban environments.
  
  Large trees close to houses is never a good idea.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:35am
- anonymouse
  
  “With the three main trunks each leaning and supported by rope, it was just an accident waiting to happen,” one said.”
  
  “Cadwallader said the tree was not immediately dangerous …. and ” reports suggesting the tree was hazardous were written six or seven years ago prior to the steel bracing system being installed and that it had another five or 10 years’ lifespan.
  
  Oh FFS, So far the article talks about being supported by “ropes” and a “steel bracing system”
  
  Give this poor woman a chainsaw and a let her get on with her life…
  
  And we wonder why councils have the reputation they do…..
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:08am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Restore property rights to owners.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:35am
lastmanstanding

It is prophetic that the tragic death of the young Indian man occured in the electorate of two women who between them over the past 40 years have done so much to bring about this death. That is the destruction of the traditional family unit of a married man and woman and their children.
They and their cohorts have knowingly and deliberately sought to destroy the traditional family unit because it didnt fit their perverse twisted beliefs.
The result is the production of young criminals mainly men and mainly non-European. Dont believe me. Ask the Corrections Department how many young men from a stable traditional family unit are in their custody.
Then ask them how many young men are from unstable unmarried women who have a turnstyle of men through their lives.
I say the death of this man is a result of these two womens obession with social engineering and his blood is on their hands and all those who have aided and abetted them.
May they rot in hell.
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November 25, 2022 8:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I see some other factors in play:
  
  1. The Labour Government has contempt for small business owners and their workers
  
  2. Institutional racism against Asian workers in NZ.
  
  3. Societal racism against Indians in NZ.
  
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  November 25, 2022 8:27am
  - cmm
    
    Is there really societal racism against Indians in NZ?
    
    Perhaps it is common where you live, but I don’t see it here in Chch.
    
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    November 25, 2022 8:34am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I saw it very much when I was teaching/living in South Wellington.
      
      Indian boys aren’t part of the rugby crew… so unless they’re stand-out cricketers (and less-so Hockey stars), they’re side-lined from some of teenage boys social activities.
      
      Because the price of basic goods in corner dairies is higher than in supermarkets, dairy owners are often treated as rip-off merchants ….and folks justify their shop-lifting at dairies as tit-for-tat. I’ve heard adults as well as school kids expressing these views.
      
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      November 25, 2022 9:01am
      - peterwn
        
        It is likely that the wholesale prices available to dairies (via Gilmours, Moore Wilson, etc) are greater than the wholesale prices supermarkets pay. While not relevant for Countdown it is relevant for franchised supermarkets such as New World and Pack ‘n’ Save. Not sure where Four Square stands but many small Four Squares have left the franchise in recent times with the remaining ones effectively junior New Worlds.
        
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        November 25, 2022 9:12am
      - herb1
        
        Peterwn , correct. I’ve seen a local dairy owner ,on a number of occasions, bulk buying at the local supermarket
        
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        November 25, 2022 9:20am
      - Random T Person
        
        The value a dairy adds is not in the price it is in the convenience. My local dairy man buys a lot of his stuff from Pak n Save and makes it available locally for when I need it, and I am always happy and grateful not to have to run all the way to town and the supermarket mission for a litre of milk and a loaf of bread. Or some other knick knack.
        
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        November 25, 2022 9:29am
      - mawm
        
        Maggy – I think that would apply to any boys who are not part of the rugby culture. Indian boys tend to play cricket as that is where their interest lies.
        
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        November 25, 2022 10:31am
      - Matt Long
        
        The wholesale prices dairy owners or corner stores pay for products is mostly higher than the shelf price in supermarkets.
        That’s how the big boys keep competition out. There’s some pretty ugly stuff goes on when it comes to market share; retailers pressured not to carry competitor’s products, lines of credit mysteriously cancelled…
        
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        November 25, 2022 10:52am
      - peterwn
        
        I made a slip. I meant to say that wholesale prices available to dairies etc are likely to be similar to or more than retail prices charged by the major supermarkets.
        
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        November 25, 2022 10:54am
      - Jack5
        
        Matt’s … That’s how the big boys keep competition out…
        
        It’s the savings on bulk buying and centralised selling.
        
        Few city-corner dairies/corner stores would have survived in NZ but for the influx of Indian and Chinese owners. They are prepared to slog for long hours, often with the whole family pitching in.
        
        Also they are likely still useful enterprises in meeting “business entry” avenues in immigration rules.
        
        Tobacco must be another factor. Catering to smokers whose addiction isn’t limited to Monday-Friday 9 to five has a drawback, however. It heightens the cash business of dairies, and cash attracts criminals.
        
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        November 25, 2022 12:18pm
      - Local Miller
        
        peterwn “I made a slip. I meant to say that wholesale prices available to dairies etc are likely to be similar to or more than retail prices charged by the major supermarkets.”
        No, this isn’t true. I was involved in IT at Foodstuffs for about 10 years, and got to know their structure pretty well. Gilmores in effectively the Wholesale branch of Foodstuffs. 4-Square is their entry level store and used where the population of a town is too small to support a New World or Pack and Save. Gilmores is cheaper than Pack and Save which is (generally) cheaper than NW which is cheaper than 4-Square, but this is because of volumes. But the majority of what these 4 franchises purchase comes out of the same supply chain and Foodstuffs warehouses.
        If Gilmores were at or above NW, then why even exist? They may be near PnS, but on average would be cheaper. Most Dairies have Gilmores cards.
        The price structure however is such that a Dairy buying from Gilmores still needs to charge more than NW to turn a decent profit, but their big win is the convenience, specially for those with transport limitations, like youth and those without cars or in walking distance. As some one said above, bread and milk. But also smokes, vape, snacks and emergency buys are done at the Dairy. I buy 2 x 2L milk once a week at our local simply because the hassle of driving the 7 minutes to NW isn’t worth the 40c I’d save.
        People who think Dairies are rip-off merchants don’t understand economics.
        
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        November 25, 2022 2:19pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Both in NZ and Aus the main “real” racism (threats, violence etc etc) against Indians is from dropkicks from “minority” groups.
        
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        November 25, 2022 5:59pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Maggy – Don’t ever forget the fact that the same small business owners voted Labour in the last election. So let them have it. While I sincerely feel sorry for the loss of life of this young dairy worker, I don’t have any sympathy for small business owners. They voted big time in an opinion poll that Labour are best managers of economy and the traitor trio of small businesses, farmers and sheeple of Taranaki voted en masse for Labour and Cindy. Don’t cry me a river fellows. Indian community always votes Labour. So why cry now? This is what you get when you vote Labour. A crim hugging Government.
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:03am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You do have a point SCS…
      
      I note Sunny Kaushal was once a Labour Party candidate for Pakuranga…
      
      but he clearly saw the error of that decision when he discovered the bullying within Labour Party.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former-labour-party-candidate-joins-national/IC7VFGA4CIFP4KVUHMJRGW5NQM/
      
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      November 25, 2022 11:18am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I doubt the Indian community votes Labour. They are generally quite conservative, both socially and economically. The exception might be brainwashed (by loony left teachers/tutors) millennials in that group.
      
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      November 25, 2022 6:14pm
  - tui47
    
    I agree Maggy. Many of the people (particularly in Wellington) who we would refer to as woke virtue signallers (I call them Plastic Maori) do not hold the same respect for Indians and Asians. A couple I know who were very involved with Maori used to refer to Indians as ‘curry munchers’.
    
    The underclass well versed in decolonisation messages from the left, see wealthy Indians and Asians as interlopers that they can rightfully steal from and abuse.
    
    One question I would ask is that has NZ reached the point where the PC culture around Maori, under Labour has made Maori feel untouchable under the law? Telling one race they are superior to the rest is a very bad move that harks back to pre 20th century times.
    
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    November 25, 2022 11:23am
- David Garrett
  
  lastman: An excellent comment. You can bet your arse that Corrections would NEVER release the answers to the questions you have asked re the family background of the “men in their care”. They would gave as a reason – probably accurate to be fair – that they do not keep such stats.
  
  I don’t have those figures, but through my work with SST I can confirm that more often than not, serious offenders fit the profile you eloquently set out:
  
  … young men are from unstable unmarried women who have a turnstyle of men through their lives
  
  It is far to note that murderers frequently do not come from that cohort; many if not most of them – particularly the “domestic” murderers – are clean skins who are unlikely to ever kill again.
  
  Brilliant comment.
  
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  November 25, 2022 8:51am
  - Colville
    
    DG, are you trying to set a record?
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:48am
westernScientist

@PaulL to continue an exchange on productivity we were having yesterday.
I agree that high levels or market competition will cause an increase out of necessity, but Im not sure how realistic it is to expect to happen here, the reality is NZ is a long way from everywhere, not on any shipping lanes, not on any flight paths etc. So we cant follow the Singapore model, or the Irish model etc. Despite what some here think, I dont agree that increasing population is a viable strategy, mainly because I dont think there are that many immigrants which will be of net value that will want to come here anymore, and to increase the natural population would require more of the middle class having kids, and they dont seem to want to. You briefly alluded to the likes of LEAN or six sigma change a culture within an organisation to one of increase productivity and away from one of waiting for the clock to hit knock off time, I generally agree with this too.

What I think we have ended up with within an unfortunately large number of NZ companies (not all obviously) and society generally is the idea within a number of individuals that they are entitled to a big fat paycheck to do something which doesnt add value. They see it as their task to “keep you in line”, and when people work out a way to achieve what they want in a remotely efficient manner, they add something new. I am not even sure this is about employment within their minds, I think it is about making sure the other employees do what they are told, because you know, the company wouldn’t function if they didn’t make sure that all the busy work was completed the way they want it and when they want it. Most people I think know this isnt the case because of the number of times I have herd, “x years ago, we didn’t do this or that, and everything worked better” etc.

What I have noticed is the above is worst (by a long way) in government departments, then in compulsory organisations and CRIs etc. (eg dairyNZ etc.) then in corporations and co-ops with an inverse relationship between efficiency and size (big tends to have a lot of bloat). Talking to people who have have been around the block a lot more times than I have, this has been progressively getting worse since the maybe the early 90s (but then a lot of people have fond memories of the grand old days, so its probably longer), and has rapidly deteriorated in the last 5 years.

I see labour laws as a serious problem for businesses, a lot of these inefficiencies seem to stem from a class ‘looking after their own’ and instead of firing them, managers are hiring more to placate the complaints they have. The cycle of employee complains they have too much work to keep on top of, another is employed to help, new employee wants to make their mark, invents new bureaucracy to feel important/show on CV (or whatever the true motivation is I dont know), complains they have too much work > cycle repeats. This reduces the companies ability to invest in technology and in productive workers while diminishing what they already have.

My suggestions, and I will preface this with a couple of things. I am quite young (way younger than the average here), highly educated but have not spent a lot of time in the full time work force (I have only known the ‘real world’ under this government) I grew up in a family business, and have been involved in various sectors of primary production my whole life. Suggestions: make it possible to give x weeks notice of termination of employment without cause within a contract. Remove the requirement for contract work to meet hourly minimum wage, and generally set up employment regulations to encourage companies to employ based on performance based metrics rather than hours (i.e. you get paid for the number of sheep you crutch to a suitable standard rather than the number of hours you spend doing it). Make welfare of any kind much harder to collect, and much harder to live off. Make being self employed an aspirational thing to want to do, and make it easy to achieve though a reduction in regulation and tax system complexity. Remove a number of the requirements to have ‘experts’ do things, aim to make the regulatory and tax systems systems simple enough they are not needed. Make R and D and technological investments more easily affordable to undertake (not sure how to do this, im not suggesting subsidies, but maybe making the tax system mean that it is cheaper, I dont know but I am sure it can be done)

Ultimately though it needs to be a change in the culture to one where people are proud of their work, and that can only happen if they have actually done something productive, built something, helped someone etc. preferably while being self employed because that gives ownership over their own successes and failures. This can be done, because the culture around this has got markedly worse over the last 5 years, so it should be able to be reversed. I will be out all day, but will check in tonight, Im interested to see how other people think these problems can be solved, because it is going to need to be done pretty quickly come Nov 2023 (or im leaving).
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November 25, 2022 8:18am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  As I said on yesterday’s thread, you can’t improve productivity when the rulebook prevents thinking, and the rulebook remorselessly gets bigger.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:39am
I remember when

The ‘final’ nail in the coffin of the covid lockdown theory?
Even the Chinese workers are rebelling against them.
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November 25, 2022 8:24am
Frank the tank

If Wayne Brown is looking for a Muppet(s) to fire he can start with the Muppet that shut lanes down on the bridge and reduced speed limits so it took me 45 minutes longer to get home.
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November 25, 2022 8:24am
- peterwn
  
  Wayne Brown has no control over the Harbour Bridge or State Highways in Auckland.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:13am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    peterwn – It seems Mr Brown has no control over anything. Nothing will change Jaffas. So suck it in for another 3 years.
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:06am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Why do you think that would be so SCS?
      
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      November 25, 2022 6:25pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Bridge Authority does do some very strange things.
    I guess closing lanes is for filtering traffic to stop car jams on the motorway both sides of the bridge, so they make a car jam on the bridge proper.
    Yes Frank, they are Muppets.
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:09am
    - peterwn
      
      NZ Transport Agency runs the Bridge and state highways. In the old days the Auckland Harbour Bridge Authority arranged to build the bridge (and possibly the clip-on’s), operated the bridge and collected the tolls to pay off the loans.
      
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      November 25, 2022 10:39am
    - Keith White
      
      Nah, they’re no Muppets.
      
      Muppets make us laugh, we like to sing along to Muppet songs, and they shut down after 30 minutes.
      
      If ONLY these people aspired to Muppethood, the world would be a better place.
      
      All together now – ‘Mah Nà Mah Nà’ etc.
      
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      November 25, 2022 10:56am
Maggie Pie

Despite earlier speculation from the girls at tennis, it appears to me that the photos released by the Police of the suspect wanted for the horrific stabbing in Sandringham, show he may well be a fair-skinned ginga?

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1595670090166444032
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November 25, 2022 8:28am
- Yabster
  
  maybe- but doesn’t stop him identify as a Maori does it.
  
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  November 25, 2022 8:36am
  - Colville
    
    him? you transphobe!!!
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:51am
    - Yabster
      
      yes- he/she then with 3 day growth..
      
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      November 25, 2022 11:37am
- Littletramp
  
  Photo is a little “foggy” to identify much but a wild guess based on “type” from shoulders/hips/knee action/foot size says to me – don’t rule out this may be a woman?
  
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  November 25, 2022 8:38am
  - rockape
    
    My thoughts to from the stance in the photo.
    
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    November 25, 2022 12:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mongrel Mob bandana?
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:10am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Mongrel Mob colours are Red & Black
    
    Black Power colours are Blue & Black.
    
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    November 25, 2022 11:20am
I remember when

Emergency Housing, Ocotober 2022:
Single, with Children – 1407.
Making up 39% of those in Emergency Housing figures.
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November 25, 2022 8:38am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Those figures are just Fenton Street in Rotorua, yes?
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:55am
Tony Stuart

Jo Moir from Newsroom reckons Labour is banking on Kiwis having forgot about Three/Five Waters by next year’s election:

Any speculation the Government might yet ditch controversial Three Waters legislation has been quashed with the Leader of the House confirming it will pass before Christmas

Analysis: With an election roughly 12 months away, the Government will be hoping voters will have forgotten their anger and upset over the centralisation of the country’s Three Waters by the time they return to work in the new year.

The splits and divisions over how to fix New Zealand’s water infrastructure has been wide-reaching with urban and rural communities as riled up as each other.

Councils needing help paying for system upgrades have sat on one side of the argument versus those that have a bigger ratepayer base and don’t want to carry the financial load of others.

Getting the Water Services Bill passed in next month’s sitting block puts reasonable distance between the at-times ugly debate and an election looking increasingly likely to be set down for November next year.

It’s the ripping-off the band aid approach, which has been used by many a government in decades gone by.

A recent example was former Prime Minister John Key when he pushed ahead with selling off parts of State-Owned Enterprises in 2013 despite a public poll showing deep opposition.

Key got re-elected for a third term in 2014 – something that won’t have been lost on Jacinda Ardern.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/three-waters-to-pass-through-parliament-in-time-for-christmas

Personally, I think Jo Moir is making the wrong comparison. Helen Clark bet the house on Kiwis forgetting about the insidious Electoral Finance Act in late 2007. They didn’t.

Three/Five Waters is, to quote legendary New York Yankees baseballer Yogi Berra “deja vu all over again”, and once again, Kiwi voters will not forget, or forgive the Labour government. It helps that both National and Act have pledged to repeal the legislation, as they did with the Electoral Finance Act when National led a coalition government after the 2008 election. There will be plenty of opportunities for opposition parties to remind voters that Labour went ahead with Three Waters despite never having campaigned on the changes, especially co-governance, and that the did so despite widespread opposition.
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November 25, 2022 8:41am
- Albert_Ross
  
  By the time of the election it should be apparent whether the reform is having the dire consequences predicted for it.
  
  If it is, and those dire consequences are so bad that the expense of re-reforming water governance would be less bad than leaving it in place and trying to make the best of a bad hand, then by all means make an election issue out of it.
  
  If it turns out that the real-world impacts of the reform aren’t that bad, or aren’t felt or seen in practice by most people, then the argument that the Government didn’t follow ideal Parliamentary practice to get it done isn’t likely to resonate with significant numbers of voters.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:08am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    You can bet that there will be no/negligible MSM publicity before the next election on the effects Govts abrogation of property rights based on racial discrimination.
    
    All part of “the long march through the institutions” as the Labour throws democracy out the Overton Window.
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:29am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Best read or watch the news services from overseas.
      You won’t get it here.
      
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      November 25, 2022 4:14pm
  - leoj
    
    National/ACT only need to remind the voting public that 3/5 Waters is a Maori Takeover.
    
    That’s because it is.
    
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    November 25, 2022 6:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  3 Waters (if passed ) won’t come into effect until 2024, so it won’t have had any impact on voters daily life by election day.
  
  Labour will organise a very professional campaign to distract voters away from 3 waters and co-governance concerns .
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:09am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Very salient point Maggy. You are 100% correct. Ardern’s only skill had been narrative control, though that “skill” is now exposed to many more people so she is becoming more transparent. Many more recognise that she is a liar, a fraud and completely incompetent.
    Yes, make sure there is no direct impact on anyone until long after she is gone to the UN.
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:23am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    In which case, again, National would do better to focus its campaign on issues where the negative impacts of Labour incompetence are already real and apparent.
    
    God knows there are enough of those.
    
    Where is the electoral benefit of diverting campaigning resource away from “Labour’s policies have led to an increase in crime/an increase in poverty/an increase in homelessness/an increase in the cost of your mortgage/a tangible reduction in the quality of your life, all of which are affecting you and your family right now” and putting it instead into “last year Labour didn’t follow ideal Parliamentary process”?
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:00am
    - peterwn
      
      National is hardly likely to share its thoughts on what sort of campaign it plans to run next year. It is still at the experimenting and probing stage. the Trick is assessing what issues are likely to resonate with voters in mid to late 2023 and concentrate on these. The main target would be soft left voters and those tending towards Winston. There would be little to be gained by trying to entice potential ACT voters.
      
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      November 25, 2022 11:04am
  - Paulus
    
    But havn’t a large number of special people and offices been already employed and produced – two in expensive offices in Auckland City area.
    
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    November 25, 2022 1:33pm
  - Drone
    
    There will be establishment costs for staff and accommodation and travel. The media could highlight salaries etc all of which add to the taxpayers burden.
    
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    November 25, 2022 1:39pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Haven’t they already leased a building and hired staff?
    
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    November 25, 2022 1:50pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Yes AFIK.
      All the staff is numbered in order of seniority eg: Mahuta 1, Mahuta 2, Mahuta 3, Mahuta 4, Mahuta 5, etc. It makes it easier when all payment data is fed into Mahuta Corp’s invoicing system.
      
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      November 25, 2022 2:16pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Tony Stuart – Jo Moir understands sheeple very well. Three/Five waters would be easily forgotten by sheeple when Chief Thief announces doubling of WFF payments in the next budget.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jo Moir should do a bit more research and go here:
  http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi.
  Too much time in her own echo chamber.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:14am
burt

Everyone ready for the weekend and another 5-10 ram raids, 3-4 shootings, 2 or 3 armed police call outs and about 10 people killed on the roads – All while the PM jets around the planet again to remind us how we need to reduce our emissions.
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November 25, 2022 8:42am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  She is popping over to the Chathams for a feed of crays and Blue Cod.
  
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  November 25, 2022 8:52am
- nathie
  
  Picture a scene reminiscent of 1940 when Spitfire and Hurricane pilots were relaxing in chairs and smoking cigarettes amongst the green pastures of their airfield with blue skies overhead …
  
  Fast forward to modern day Whenuapai and all of a sudden the quiet air is interpreted by a klaxon alarm starting up:
  
  “SCRAMBLE, SCRAMBLE, SCRAMBLE” comes the call over the loudhailers.
  
  Freshly recruited Airman: “Sarge, are we about to be attacked?”
  
  Flight Sergeant: “No, the VIP 757 needs to be readied for takeoff immediately … the PM needs to get the heck out of here!
  
  Airman: “Where to”?
  
  Flight Sargent: “Anywhere but here, there’s too much bad news for her to front up to! Robbo will send us the destination details when airborne once he’s rung around to see who will take her!”
  
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  November 25, 2022 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That would be so true. Jaspinda has missed way over 62 days of Parliament when she should have been there.
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A C130 Hercules is delivering freight to the Chathams, Jaspinda was just hitching a ride.//
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:24am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Didnt know there was a military base on the Chathams. ergo why a C130 delivering freight?
    
    Or was that a drummed up excuse so the PM could hitcha ride?
    
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    November 25, 2022 1:03pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You just never know with her.
      
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      November 25, 2022 1:43pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Chathan residents need a good fiber food source.
      Beer has fiber, but not much. You need to drink a lot of beer to get your daily intake of fiber.
      
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      November 25, 2022 4:17pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        I know – it works for me – hic. 😆
        
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        November 25, 2022 5:09pm
- Paulus
  
  Just because she has gone to the Chathams today (and not her own electorate) does not qualify as overseas does it ?
  
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  November 25, 2022 1:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Over the sea, yes.
    Avoiding questions – yes.
    Phnom Penh and USA is according to her schedule. No time given.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_prime_ministerial_trips_made_by_Jacinda_Ardern#2022
    
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    November 25, 2022 4:23pm
Nickc2

Cindy, you’ve effed up again. There’s no Climate Emergency! People far more knowledgeable than yourself say so. Even the UN (spit spit) are now saying their predictions were wrong.
Things are changing in the world of climate alarmism.
On the basis of recent science, the U.N. has halved to only 2.5C its prediction of global temperatures for year 2100.
Dr Judith Curry says so, as does The Wall Street Journal, and David Wallace-Wells of the New York Times. Noted climate scientist Dr Judith Curry says “the policy implications of all this is enormous”.
Former NZ Under-Secretary of Science, Energy and Technology Barry Brill says this changes everything.

The Leighton Smith Podcast

James Shaw, eat your heart out and give us our money back.

[Mod – fixed link for you]
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November 25, 2022 8:47am
- Nickc2
  
  TKS!
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:13am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep a lot of overseas reporting about this, Alas bugger all here.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:21am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Leighton Smith is hardly a neutral commentator on climate change. He has never accepted that man made climate change even exists. And presumably neither do you.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:23am
  - Nickc2
    
    I can only speak for myself and I am most definitely a Climate Change Denier, and proud of it.
    Before you go off on your rant Wayne, check out the evidence and the UN’s revised predictions. These predictions were also announced at COP27 but as expected, not reported in NZ.
    You need to bear in mind that you are no longer in Parliament throwing uncontestable barbs across a strip of carpet at another bunch of wankers. You are now communicating with real people who are capable of making their own decisions and leading their own lives accordingly.
    PS: Leighton Smith can speak for himself and I suggest you take up your disagreement with him.
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:35am
    - MCōs
      
      I would suggest it’s you who is ranting.
      
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      November 25, 2022 10:54am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      A real person without a name?
      
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      November 25, 2022 12:18pm
      - leoj
        
        That doesn’t make the point any less accurate.
        
        Smarmy is not a simile for intelligence.
        
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        November 25, 2022 6:30pm
  - Local Miller
    
    Your logic is so flawed here Wayne. Leighton isn’t neutral because he’s never accepted AGW exists, but on climate alarmist is neutral when they believe AGW does exist!
    
    You really need to get off MSM and do some wider reading Wayne. There is no AGW or man made climate change. The global temperate now is lower than it was in the 1930s, even the IPCC has reported that there in NO GLOBAL TREND in severe weather events, either floods, hurricanes/tornadoes/cyclones, droughts. While there have been some localized changes, there’s nothing global.
    Additionally the global temperature anomaly is typically 0.1c above the 20 year average up to about 1990. The arctic sea ice is still there and as stable as it’s ever been despite 40 years of predictions it will be “gone in 10 years”. Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets are not shrinking, the Maldives are still not underwater, and many of the small pacific islands that were going to be under water by now are actually 10% – 20% larger.
    When you stop listening to all the climate alarmists and start doing some real research, you may also discover that Climate Change is a hoax!
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:39am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      I have done lots of wider reading, including generally accepted scientific publications. Also some alternative websites.
      I accept the scientific consensus. Leighton Smith, and a number of commentators here do not. But that is a small minority, which continues to decrease.
      From what I can see, in New Zealand there is a broad political and social acceptance of the scientific consensus, though obviously differences as to how that plays out in terms of actual policy.
      
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      November 25, 2022 4:35pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        …….but whose scientific consensus? 🙂
        
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        November 25, 2022 5:11pm
      - Simon Arnold
        
        Wayne, what then is the scientific consensus on the plausibility or likelihoods of the emissions scenarios being recommended for use in NZ.
        
        Simon
        
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        November 25, 2022 6:33pm
      - leoj
        
        You mean like the bogus Doran-Zimmerman report?
        
        If so, you have been duped, bigly!
        
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        November 25, 2022 6:33pm
  - cmm
    
    How have you accepted it?
    
    Most people accepting it do so in an “I believe in fairies” sort of way.
    Most don’t bother to, or are incapable of, understanding the science.
    How much effort have you put into actually understanding the issues and making an actual assessment?
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:42am
    - All_on_Red
      
      The IPCC have finally admitted RCP 6.0 and RCP 8.5 are inaccurate as Models and have thrown them out.
      Yet NIWA still use them in BAU projections.
      Wayne believes NIWA…
      
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      November 25, 2022 10:31am
      - Nickc2
        
        Wayne can believe whatever he likes and I think everyone else should be allowed to as well.
        
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        November 25, 2022 10:36am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Wasting your time with Wayne. He does not debate, he merely asserts, and his assertions are based on the MSM. Plus his other role here is to act as a tone-policeman for the Right. You won’t find him calling out the Left on their blogs as “extremists”. He expects you to just vote National and trust them – on all issues.
      
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      November 25, 2022 11:29am
  - Yabster
    
    hmm appear to be moderated for a swear word?- so no comment on the UN report then Wayne?
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:20am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    What matters is whether he is correct. What on earth does being neutral on climate change even mean?
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:44am
    - cmm
      
      Being correct or not is not that important. As the saying goes: a broken clock is right twice a day.
      
      What matters in science is the process.
      
      The process is important because we scientists (yes, I am one) know we are often wrong and learn as we progress the science through inquiry.
      
      Believing a scientist just because they work for NIWA, have a PhD, or have pink hair is not valid science. It is dogmatic belief. It is religion.
      
      It is no different to accepting that God exists because the Pope said so.
      
      Now I don’t really mind what religious beliefs people have, but don’t call them science.
      
      And don’t impose them on other people.
      
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      November 25, 2022 1:30pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        I was referring to whether the reporting of the science was correct, not its conclusions. Science is first about establishing facts, second about understanding them.
        
        Completely agree that believing scientists is mere politics.
        
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        November 25, 2022 1:40pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Neutral is sitting on the fence waiting for your Master’s next command
      
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      November 25, 2022 4:37pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Of course man-made climate change doesn’t exist, and it’s the epitome of arrogance, hubris and narcissism, not to mention an astonishing ability to ignore science and reality, to suggest it does.
    
    I do hope that wasn’t too much of a rant.
    
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    November 25, 2022 12:19pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “Of course man-made climate change doesn’t exist” – for reasons from the University of Intelligence.
      It does exist for —- MONEY!!!
      
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      November 25, 2022 4:43pm
  - kowtow
    
    Climate change most definitley exists .
    
    If it didn’t Britain would be connected to continental Europe and they’d now be speaking French or German .And the Albanians wouldn’t need dinghies.
    
    And a good part of our South Island would still be under masses of ice .
    
    I wonder what the hell those hunter gatherers ,15 to 20 000 years ago ,were using to fuel their transport , heat their caves and fashion their spears and leather with that caused those ice sheets to retreat to the Arctic .
    
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    November 25, 2022 1:01pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Sorry to interrupt some rants.
    But just to be “”alternative””
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULpGDnuz308
    
    Some facts to digest.
    Unfortunately the facts dispute the models hence IPCC retraction
    
    Follow the science Wayne.
    
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    November 25, 2022 1:06pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    “He has never accepted that man made climate change even exists”
    
    There is no conclusive evidence of any human behaviour leading to dangerous climatic outcomes for humankind. None. Zip. Zilch.
    
    Until there is, “man made climate change” does not exist.
    
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    November 25, 2022 2:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  BMW Jimmy went to COP27 to represent Aotearoa.
  We should have sent someone representing New Zealand.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:40am
  - Paulus
    
    How many did we pay for to Egypt seaside place ?
    -I heard it was 18 but believe there may have been many other hangers on and paid for indirectly from the pie ie taxpayer NGOs.
    After all there were 400 VIP jets, and some 40,000 attendees.
    
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    November 25, 2022 1:39pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Team of Five Million paid for it.
      Paid for the return trip as well.
      
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      November 25, 2022 4:49pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    We shouldn’t have sent anyone at all!
    
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    November 25, 2022 2:59pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Maybe someone from New Zealand, but not a person from Aotearoa.
      End was a result that the bullshit was only half of what we have been fed.
      
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      November 25, 2022 4:51pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Approx 1C increase in global temps per DOUBLING of atmospheric Co2 (97% of which is NOT produced by human activity). This from the most credible and experienced atmospheric physicists. There is no emergency. Stand down climate lunatics and stop wrecking people’s lives for no good reason.
  
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  November 25, 2022 6:30pm
Maggie Pie

I normally head over to one of the Indian-Mini-Marts in Sandringham to get my partner’s favorit brand of English Breakfast Tea.
As I just said to him, until I hear the police have made an arrest, he’ll have to put up with the crappy Dilmah.
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November 25, 2022 9:00am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I get horrible indigestion with Dilmah.
  
  (I’m a life-time T drinker… 6-16 cups/day.
  Dilmah is the pits!)
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:41am
  - Yabster
    
    Twinings English Breakfast is my go to.
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:50am
    - Jack5
      
      I tried Dilmah leaf 50:50 with Kenya Bold for a while, but tired of brewing in a teapot.
      
      Now back to Dilmah teabags and enjoying them, black with no sugar.
      
      It’s not the milk that’s causing your indigestion with Dilmah, is it, Maggie W.?
      
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      November 25, 2022 12:05pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It’s not the milk that’s causing your indigestion
        
        Wash your mouth out, Jack.
        
        Someone has to prop up the NZ Dairy Industry…
        and I have been doing my bit since I drank my half-pint of free milk at Kindy, aged 3, and tried scoring every other undrunk bottle.
        
        Haven’t gone a day since without consuming a litre of milk/day.
        
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        November 25, 2022 3:44pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Half a teaspoon of milk. Hot, strong, and sweet. Just like my Women.
        
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        November 25, 2022 4:54pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “Twinings English Breakfast is my go to.”
      
      Yes a good solid cup of tea. Dilmah Extra Strength also good.
      
      I’m not a tea person generally but a good cup of tea now and then is jolly bracing.
      
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      November 25, 2022 6:34pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Maggy & Maggie – Have you both tried “Love Cindy” brand of tea? Just checkin…
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:10am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Herbal decoctions…
      
      Not enuf caffeine and tannin for my liking.
      
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      November 25, 2022 1:15pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    We travel half way across the motu to get
    TAJ MAHAL ….according to the address on the box, it’s from Hindustan Unilever, near Gandhigram Bus Stop, Mumbai.
    
    If you’re a lover of strong black tea well worth the trip. We sweeten ours with honey.
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:36am
    - Jack5
      
      A young guy was selling various world teas in a Christchurch supermarket stall and online for a year or two, but couldn’t move enough to survive.
      
      He had exotic leaves like white tea from China and black tea from Yunan on the China-Burma border.
      
      Is anyone in NZ cultivating tea interest/snobbery on the lines of the coffee pedants, who sadly can never develop anything approaching the intricacy of the Japanese tea ceremony?
      
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      November 25, 2022 12:42pm
    - Paulus
      
      Where is this place I keep hsaring about, a Motu ?
      Can’t find it in my maps.
      
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      November 25, 2022 1:40pm
      - Ghost
        
        Motu
        /ˈməʊtuː/
        Learn to pronounce
        noun
        noun: Motu; plural noun: Motu; noun: Hiri Motu; noun: Police Motu
        1.
        a member of a Melanesian people of Papua New Guinea inhabiting the area around Port Moresby.
        2.
        the language of the Motu, the base of a pidgin known as Hiri Motu or (formerly) Police Motu, widely used as a lingua franca for administrative purposes.
        
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        November 25, 2022 1:47pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        You’re not looking, Paulus. It’s a region straddling the Bay of Plenty/Gisborne (paper) border, and a river that flows into the Bay of Plenty between Opotiki and Te Kaha.
        
        A beautiful spot, with great mountain-biking, a jet boat tour up from the river mouth, and excellent snapper fishing just off-shore.
        
        https://www.google.com/maps/place/M%C5%8Dt%C5%AB/@-38.3444702,177.4711426,10.65z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x6d658adead6e8633:0x500ef6143a2ec10!8m2!3d-38.2825043!4d177.5405714
        
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        November 25, 2022 3:03pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It is in R. T. Rower
        
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        November 25, 2022 4:56pm
  - leoj
    
    Taylors’ Yorkshire Tea (from Pak n Sav).
    
    Has guts, unlike that wimpy Earl Grey.
    
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    November 25, 2022 6:39pm
- mogg
  
  Try Lipton English breakfast, you won’t regret it.
  Available at New World, next to the Chelsea buns you can’t miss it.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  PG Tips rules.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:41am
  - Yabster
    
    do you know the piano’s on my foot…
    
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    November 25, 2022 11:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You mum it and I’ll play it.
      
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      November 25, 2022 12:28pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    You passed your MOT!
    
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    November 25, 2022 6:35pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Made orible tea
      
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      November 26, 2022 9:48am
- Pavel
  
  Kenya bold is the only tea worth drinking.
  
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  November 25, 2022 1:48pm
cas

Words fail me. Barbara Dreaver has been judged best reporter of the year at the TV awards ahead of Lisette Reymer. Muppet judges.
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November 25, 2022 9:08am
- Bloody Dago
  
  Ahh so Barbs got her gold watch then?
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:18am
- Nickc2
  
  No, surely not Army Tanks on the streets in Suva Barbs Dreaver?
  Another oxygen thief who wouldn’t know when the truth bit her on the arse.
  IMO, she’s an honours graduate from the School of Telling Lies.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:20am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Dreaver the dreamer can give Megan Pie Woods a run for her pies….
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I thought she was banned from Fiji?
    Told not to interview people detained, but she did.
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:44am
    - Nickc2
      
      She was banned but after some time, Cdre Barny-M relented and put her on a good behaviour bond.
      
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      November 25, 2022 10:53am
    - Jack5
      
      Has there even been a tank in the Fijian Islands?
      
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      November 25, 2022 12:25pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Frank has been there…..
        
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        November 25, 2022 12:29pm
      - Nickc2
        
        NO.
        
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        November 25, 2022 12:39pm
- herb1
  
  Well it’s not as if there’s much competition for the award
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:25am
  - oldfella
    
    The same Barbara Dreaver who’s been appointed by Wiley Jackson to the board of the new public broadcasting union of TVNZ and RNZ.
    Will she continue as a reporter? Would that be a compromise?
    
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    November 25, 2022 11:10am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Why on earth would anybody pay any attention to those closed-shop circle-jerk “awards”?
  
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  November 25, 2022 3:05pm
surfing

Mahuta and Woods are blatantly lying when they say federated farmers are supporting three waters!

Mahuta and Woods are worse than Nigerian scammers, blatant liars! Only Hosking is calling them out!
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November 25, 2022 9:11am
- bjools
  
  OOPS, dyslexic digit, should have been an up tick.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:37am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  I trust Mahuta and Woods because the farmers voted (and still voting) for Labour.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:12am
Rusty

We better face it Auckland is not a safe city to live in at the moment or even in the near future.

This govt’s reluctance to get tough on crime and a woke police commissioner who supports this borders on immoral and obscene thinking in my view.

We are virtually being told by these reprobates that equal empathy should be given to the criminals along with the victims because it’s not really their
fault.

Accountability and real consequences are a woke joke with them.
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November 25, 2022 9:14am
- surfing
  
  There have been 3 murders near my son’s flat since he moved there in February. I could be missing one or two as well. They are very random murders too, not targeted by known assailants.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:38am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    High chance of meth and/or severe mental illness involved methinks.
    
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    November 25, 2022 6:36pm
ClanMcleod

I don’t pretend to understand the whole crypto thing. I understand the basic concept, but when I tried to get my head around the leaps in value and volatility, I gave up. Giving value to something that doesn’t exist in any tangible sense is beyond my aged brain.
However, the FTX story is next level. My interest was piqued when the connection to the WEF was highlighted. That group of non elected interlopers funded by billionaires seems to have their fingers in many pies these days, and the son of a Nazi, Herr Klaus is popping up everywhere in photo ops with everyone, including three of his Global Young Leader puppets. Trudeau and Sunak at the latest G20 meeting in Indonesia.

https://twitter.com/PlanetPonzi/status/1592646751391043584?s=20&t=rCjCBKRdKNHjE-xmQfJD_w

Ardern at the East Asia Summit Gala dinner in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. A warm up event held two days prior.

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1592076411493302272

Just a “conspiracy theory”, nothing to see here. The fact that leaders of “free and democratic” countries were tutored by this unelected eugenicist and passed out of his system as “Global Young Leaders” is nothing to be concerned about at all. //

Anyway, here’s an interesting article on the web of lies and deceit around the whole FTX story.

The collapse of FTX is an embarrassment for globalists

There are two schools of thought. One is that FTX, the world’s second biggest crypto exchange, was run by youthful MIT graduates who got out of their depth. The second is that FTX may have been set up as a scam from the beginning. Without doubt, FTX had the fingerprints of the globalists all over it. It was once heavily promoted by the World Economic Forum, with its own page on their website describing FTX as a ‘cryptocurrency exchange built by traders, for traders’ and its founder regularly attended Davos gatherings. The key question that needs answering is cui bono, who benefited from FTX’s activities? Knowing that might give some clue as to its purpose.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-collapse-of-ftx-is-an-embarrassment-for-globalists/

Cui bono indeed. Whatever is going on, what the fuck Ardern is doing in the middle of it all should be of great concern to NZers. I’ve said it often and I will say it again, whatever she is doing it is NOT for the benefit of the people of NZ. She is working for other masters and they do not care one iota about our interests.
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November 25, 2022 9:17am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The main owner was the Democrats second biggest donor FYI.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:26am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Libertarians are right – who is the main owner and owner of what? The WEF?
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:32am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Sorry, FTX’s main frontman – Sam Bankman-Fried.
      He was the Democrats’ second biggest donor behind Soros.
      
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      November 25, 2022 9:57am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Cheers for that, yes, the web of lies and deceit around this is astonishing. El gato malo also did a great post on it. Also of interest was his funding of the suppression of evidence around off label drugs like Ivermectin. My drug of choice re covid, but banned for sale or prescription in NZ and stopped and destroyed by the lovely people at NZ customs when I tried to protect my family by purchasing it overseas.
        
        SBF, WEF and the mile of red yarn
        
        so, sam bankman fried, who funded (among god knows what else) several “public health” studies smearing ivermectin and promoting “biosafety” and “pandemic preparedness” despite having literally zero grounding or seeming prior interest in the field
        
        (much more HERE in gatopal™ jeffery tucker’s excellent piece)
        
        turns out to have an aunt who is a (wait for it) WEF public health acolyte.
        
        (boy, those 3 letters sure do seem to crop up a lot these days)
        
        https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/sbf-wef-and-the-mile-of-red-yarn
        
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        November 25, 2022 10:51am
      - Matt Long
        
        Ivermectin, that dangerous horse medicine, my brother just took some for Covid feels better than he has in years. May have been suffering from a parasite burdan.
        Wish it worked on government.
        
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        November 25, 2022 12:40pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  What’s your beef with Rishi Sunak? Most Conservative MP’s, back in the days of Truss thought he was the best of the bunch of would be leaders. And when there was a second chance he was virtually unopposed. They had the chance to assess him up close, and on that basis he was their choice.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:29am
  - cmm
    
    What does Conservative actually mean any more?
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:33am
  - Nickc2
    
    Bring back Boris!
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:43am
  - Local Miller
    
    This up close assessment and and virtually unopposed selection means what exactly?
    Liebour were elected in 2020 with ~53% support and look what a mess they are making.
    You still seem to live in this deluded world where you appeal to authority Wayne. Just because a bunch of leaders select someone it must be good, unless of course we discover that they aren’t doing what we want (i.e. Truss) and then they immediately become a problem.
    Sunak is uncritically following the same agenda as people like Ardern, Trudeau, etc.
    Jesus said: ” You will know them by their fruits”. So not by who picked them, not by what they say, but what they produce. Go look at what Sunak is actually producing in the UK and you may also find you have a beef with him.
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:05am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Wayne – what’s my beef? Other than the fact he’s another WEF/Schwab product? That he’s a globalist shill and that his father in law is the founder of infosys, the company set to benefit in the billions of dollars in the rollout of digital IDs? That his father in law is a major funder of the WEF? That he’s a totally unelected puppet who was placed at the head of the UK government in a barely disguised coup?
    No conflicts of interest here huh?!
    Wake up Wayne. Democracy as we know it is under the greatest attack in history. We are in the middle of a planet wide, globalist coup. The bastards aren’t even trying to hide it any longer.
    Call it a “conspiracy theory”. It isn’t, and that is becoming more evident by the day.
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:55am
    - Keith White
      
      Yip, yip, it’s conspiracy practiced.
      
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      November 25, 2022 11:21am
  - Jack5
    
    Sunak has brains. Boris has bluster.
    
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    November 25, 2022 12:44pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      He’s still a WEF globalist shill.
      
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      November 25, 2022 10:11pm
- Random T Person
  
  Crypto is was and always will be a ponzi scam. Big one, but a ponzi nonetheless. The reason you can’t understand it, is because it is not meant to be understood. Bullshit baffles brains.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:31am
- cmm
  
  It’s actually quite easy to understand.
  
  A national currency is, essentially, a part-share in the economy of that country. That’s what gives it value and builds trust. When more of the currency is printed, and the value of the economy has not increased, then only one thing can happen: more dollars chasing the same value, so the number of dollars per value goes up: ie. inflation.
  
  Even in extreme cases like the Zim dollar, the currency is still a slice of something.
  
  Crypto is just a bunch of numbers. There is no value backing it up. The only value comes from the hope that some other sucker out there will exchange this magic number for a real dollar that can be converted into tangible value.
  
  Because it is not tied to any tangible value, it can go up and down fast depending on whether people believe they can make money out of it or not.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:31am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    As Bob Jones says – it’s the bigger fool principle:
    It’s possible to make money as long as a bigger fool comes along and buys out your bet (it’s not really an investment) for more than you risked.
    
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    November 25, 2022 10:01am
    - crikey
      
      So, it’s a ponzi scheme then.
      
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      November 25, 2022 11:32am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Reminds me of the car numberplate BS when personalised plates were introduced.
    
    A friend(sadly departed) bought up all sorts of plates on the belief they would be worth squillions in years to come.
    
    I think when he died a couple of years back. The hundred plates were worth waaaay less than what he paid 1n 1989.
    
    If I recall, they never exceeded his buy price.
    
    So greater fool theory definitely at work.
    
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    November 25, 2022 1:18pm
- surfing
  
  Crypto and fiat currency are both underpinned by faith.
  
  You give value to your bank account, and that doesn’t exist either except in an abstract sense.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:42am
  - cmm
    
    Certainly at some level they are both underpinned by faith, but very different levels of faith.
    
    At some level we don’t really know the world exists and we have to believe our senses. That’s a completely different level of belief than believing gods exist or whatever.
    
    If I have a US$, it is somewhat underpinned by global trade and the US economy. I know $1 can buy a loaf of bread (or whatever) and it is extremely likely that tomorrow it will be able to buy a loaf of bread.
    
    But crypto? It’s all a ponzi scheme backed by nothing. All you really have faith in is other people’s faith.
    
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    November 25, 2022 1:39pm
- mawm
  
  Clan – “…..whatever she is doing it is NOT for the benefit of the people of NZ. She is working for other masters ……” Hmmm….that sounds like treason to me.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:43am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    mawm – it truly is, that is how serious this is. It is not incompetence. It is deliberate, cold, calculated and it is wrong on every level. Ardern is an extremely dangerous person.
    
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    November 25, 2022 12:05pm
- Keith White
  
  I think it’s unfair to call it a Ponzi Scheme. I think it should be called a Robertson-Orr Rort. Ponzi is so last century; we need to ‘honour’ the current practitioners.
  
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  November 25, 2022 11:24am
Mummy

So jail plus fine of thousands of dollars for chopping down a tree some consider dangerous but only $400 for driving an unWOFed car that is probably more of a danger, given the mindset of the driver who probably knows the car isn’t up to standard and wouldn’t get one anyway. I’m confused.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130568810/fight-over-enormous-protected-tree-on-womans-property-heads-to-jury-trial
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November 25, 2022 9:19am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The penalty for going through legal channels instead of just feeding it something it doesn’t like.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:48am
  - Colville
    
    Tordon (or so I am told) but dont have the container in your shed when Plod searches!
    
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    November 25, 2022 11:42am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      $10 vs $50,000+ for lawyers. Not a very hard choice.
      
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      November 25, 2022 2:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Tracy Fleet needs to go to the boatbuilding supply place and buy some copper nails.
  Bang them into the base of the trees and see what happens.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:56am
  - alex Masterley
    
    or a drill and some woody wood killer…
    
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    November 25, 2022 11:00am
    - Nickc2
      
      Have you seen the price of diesel these days?
      
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      November 25, 2022 11:09am
- Surely Knott
  
  Lol. It’s not even a native tree. They are decolonising the Maunga trees at pace yet chopping this one is 2 years jail?
  
  How many large street trees has Ashburton council planted in the last 5 years if it’s so concerned.
  
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  November 25, 2022 2:15pm
peterwn

See
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130568810/fight-over-enormous-protected-tree-on-womans-property-heads-to-jury-trial

The tree is potentially hazardous but she is being prosecuted for trying to make it safe. The circumstances seems to indicate a bureaucracy running amok. So her lawyer has asked for a jury trial (possibly for the first time for an Environment related case). Presumably she is hoping for jury ‘nullification’ as the Americans call it (where a jury returns ‘not guilty’ despite overwhelming prosecution evidence).
Like when a father was charged with assault of a child when he caned his kid. He chose a jury trial (available for more serious assault crimes) and the jury drawn from conservative folk in Timaru acquitted him. The prosecution did not see it coming or the prosecutor would have just laid a common assault charge and the father could well have gone to jail (the mood of District Court judges was to send parents to prison in such cases).
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November 25, 2022 9:28am
- All_on_Red
  
  No doubt there is a Greenie Zealot in the Council pushing this persecution.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:28am
- surfing
  
  Her land , her tree… do what she wants.
  
  I doubt she was trying to make it safe, but she should have the right to remove. If council like it so much, they can buy the land.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:43am
- Harry Knuts
  
  So Ashburton council is potentially fining 300k for a tree that looks precarious.
  And on this very similar situation in Takapuna on a 16.5mil property there is only a 52.5k fine. This property owner knows that value of his property has gone up way more the 52k now he’s taken out the tree blocking his views. This where the property owner knew what was involved and took the risk anyway: https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/300746109/owner-of-165m-auckland-mansion-fined-52k-for-chopping-protected-phutukawa#:~:text=An%20Auckland%20man%20has%20been%20fined%20%2452%2C500%20for,property%20has%20a%20capital%20value%20of%20%2416.5%20million.
  
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  November 25, 2022 1:48pm
Maggie Pie

Speaking with Raj and his missus up at the dairy last night….
he reckoned ‘FOG CANNONS’ aren’t worth a tin of shit.

Just saying.
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November 25, 2022 9:32am
- cmm
  
  Quite likely correct, but the cops still oppose them.
  
  It is time that law abiding people are allowed to arm themselves with defensive weapons. Even just pepper spray as a start.
  
  I hope you told them it’s a good idea to have a display of oven cleaner behind the counter.
  
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  November 25, 2022 9:36am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I had to have a little larf to myself.
    Raj was saying he has a friend who owns a mini-mart in Mt Roskill. One day his wife accidently activated the Cannon when the shop was full of customers. By the time the fog cleared, everyone had got out safely, but there was about 10 grands worth of stock missing.
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:47am
  - peterwn
    
    Remember the case of the gun shop employee being charged with unlawful possession of a pistol inside the shop! The shop lawfully had the pistol for sale to any authorised buyer (eg pistol club). The JP’s who heard it initially threw the case out. The Police could have successfully appealed this (my opinion) but would have looked idiots for taking it further.
    
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    November 25, 2022 9:49am
    - Colville
      
      Are you talking about the shop owner who shot the guy (who had a machete) who was trying to rob the gun shop?
      
      The shop owner just happened to have a loaded handgun in his desk drawer..”for cleaning”?
      
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      November 25, 2022 11:08am
      - peterwn
        
        Yes, but it was an employee who shot and injured the robber. They kept a loaded pistol under the counter ready to deal with this sort of thing.
        
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        November 25, 2022 12:05pm
    - Keith White
      
      Looking like idiots (and worse, like our own homegrown NeoStasi) does not seem to deter Coster’s Mob at all. If you were at the protests at Parliament you’d have seen the riot scene from ‘Sleeping Dogs’ acted out in real life, with extra brutality.
      
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      November 25, 2022 11:26am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Keith White – to quote the muppet currently destroying NZ – “that’s exactly what it is, yip, yip.”
        
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        November 25, 2022 12:07pm
    - kowtow
      
      Can’t remember the details and can’t find it online , how odd .
      
      A farmer and his son were charged with a variety of offences for holding a violent home invader at gun point .
      
      Jury acquited . Wasn’t the finger tip case . Think it was down south somewhere .Within the last cuppla three years .
      
      if any smart bod could recall or bring up , ‘twould be interesting.
      
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      November 25, 2022 12:50pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        The case came from the King Country area- near Piopio. The chap who was aquitted was a fellow called Burr.
        
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        November 25, 2022 1:19pm
      - kowtow
        
        AM
        
        Not the same case .
        
        In the SI case , as I recall , the farmer gave his son who was I think 16 or so to guard the culprit , and that was the basis of one of the charges of unlawful detention and possibly a charge of allowing the 16 yo to have possession of gun w/o cause or some such .
        
        Anyway jury did not agree and I suspect most reasonable folk would side with the home ownwers too.
        
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        November 25, 2022 2:00pm
  - rockape
    
    Or spear guns for fishing!
    
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    November 25, 2022 12:18pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Or bleach. No-one would enjoy a face full.
    
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    November 25, 2022 1:53pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Reminds me of the idiot who tried to rob a Chinese takeaway and wore a free coat of hot oil.
      
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      November 25, 2022 1:55pm
- crikey
  
  There’s a thought then, replace fog cannons with tins of shit placed just above ceiling fans ready to be triggered when needed.
  
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  November 25, 2022 11:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’d not volunteer to do the deep-cleaning of the shop and merchandise afterwards.
    
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    November 25, 2022 1:09pm
- Keith White
  
  A can of feces in the eyes would be a definite crim-demotivator… as long as they did not have a weapon of the type favored by Ardern’s favorite gang charities.
  
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  November 25, 2022 11:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Is this where NZ is heading with water?
https://rightwingnewshour.com/nebraska-gunning-for-man-who-stole-their-water-6/
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November 25, 2022 9:42am
Kiwiguy

Just thinking about the current crime rates and how Labour is clearly soft on crime, despite their assurances that they are not.
In the 1980’s, there was a spate of armed bank robberies that became so regular that one of the papers (Herald? Star?) had a daily headline “Today’s Armed Robbery”
Can anyone remember what part of the 80’s this occurred?
Based on my memory i’m thinking it was the late 80’s when Labour was in power, but maybe someone can confirm this?
Edit: Just found some online info that confirms it was the late 80’s. Labour was in power at this point – this would be great fodder for National/ACT to demonstrate that Labour does indeed have form when it comes to being soft on crime.
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November 25, 2022 9:55am
grumpy

Things are about to get worse thanks to Jacinda’s travelling buddy
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/11/is_there_a_remedy_for_canadas_escalating_suicide_policies.html
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November 25, 2022 9:56am
- H. Upmann
  
  Just another chapter of the Great Reset Plan – Eugenics as promoted by Schwab, Gates and Harari amongst others and by default as a follower, the super-kindly Ardern.
  
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  November 25, 2022 11:46am
Maggy Wassilieff

Someone out in the real world has positive things to say about boot camps:

He strongly disagreed with those who said that boot camps for young offenders did not work in the past.

“It was not a failure for Kawerau. It was one of the best things that ever happened. The only part of it that did not work was that six weeks was not long enough. You have to do that wrap around support. You have to keep at them until they get up and they are on their way.”

https://www.teaomaori.news/kawerau-ex-mayor-says-bootcamps-work-dont-go-far-enough
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November 25, 2022 9:56am
- peterwn
  
  Charter schools which had a significant ‘boot camp’ content worked and the pupils loved the schools (many were mis-fits in ordinary schools), but Chippy forced them out of action to appease his teacher union buddies.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:45am
  - Jack5
    
    Alwyn Poole, who regularly has guest posts on Kiwiblog, has been professionally involved with charter schools, and I don’t recall him ever saying that boot camps were an integral part of charter schools.
    
    As for Army-run camps for teenagers, I think you would find the soldiers, while instilling discipline, had empathy for the kids.
    
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    November 25, 2022 11:43am
I remember when

Was in Hamilton week-end before last.
If highly visible signs on fences help you get elected Gaurav is a shoe-in.
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November 25, 2022 10:05am
- Phronesis
  
  I follow the guy on facebook, I really do like him. He’s a bit naive perhaps but he’s smart and I think he really cares. My impression is that he’s not really left or right he just wants to do whatever it takes to fix the problems that he can see. A pity he ended up in the Labour party, he probably would have been happier in National.
  
  Sadly I doubt he will win his seat back.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:30am
- peterwn
  
  This is a fickle thing. If a candidate is highly popular it is relatively easy to persuade people to have signs on fences. If the party is not so popular even its supporters are reluctant to allow signs on their fences, wives being more reluctant than their husbands.
  Gaurav getting this sort of support is bad news for Labour since even if he does bot get re-elected, it splits the Labour vote which could allow National to sneak in.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My friends in Melville say Sharma will just scrape in.
  
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  November 25, 2022 11:03am
cmm

Why are cop road spikes so ineffective these days?

I seem to remember that in the older days the spike strips would cause severe damage to tyres, rapid deflation and stop vehicles almost instantly.

These days it seems the crims can keep driving for long distances and often get away.

What has changed? Is it:
* Tyres are stronger. In that case maybe the spikes need to be made more aggressive to do more damage.
* Electronic stability control improves handling. If so, more damage to the tyres might be a solution.
* The strips make smaller holes to deflate the tyre slower and allow the crim to maintain vehicle control – all to keep the crim safer. If so, sod the crim why should any consideration be given to the crim’s safety?
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November 25, 2022 10:14am
- Phronesis
  
  I’m guessing, but I suspect bigger alloy wheels running low profile tyres probably makes them perform a lot better when flat.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:32am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I doubt that road spikes have changed. Spikes are spikes.
  
  Are you referring to this story?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300747700/police-chase-in-christchurch-triggered-by-gun-being-pointed-at-another-car
  
  I think you will find that the driver evaded the spikes (on the footpath, through the park, etc.).
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:46am
- mawm
  
  Run-flat tyres.
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:47am
- Kiwiguy
  
  Maybe they have to use special ‘Labour-Approved’ spikes these days. I imagine the conversation went something like this:
  “Now Andrew, these spikes you guys use, I understand they’re like hard metal spikes? Yeah, those sound nasty, they could cause damage you know. We need to soften those spikes, they need to be made of maybe soft plastic, or maybe foam. You see, we can’t risk hurting these poor people, they’ve come from disadvantaged backgrounds and they just need love, that’s all. In any case, it’s the cops fault for chasing them. Yes I know they might have just done a ram-raid, but that’s the fault of the business-owner for trying to be more successful than he has a right to be. We’ll pretend to throw some bollards in their direction to keep them quiet.
  But no more nasty metal spikes, they sound horrible to me. And in any case, it’s best to let those drivers get away, because we’d let them go anyway even if we did catch them. That’s all for today Andrew, thank you for your time”
  
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  November 25, 2022 10:53am
  - Keith White
    
    Caltrops on the driveway for rural barn / farmhouse driveways. That’s what a friend has done. Good results so far. Crims do not like to walk or change tires. Just gotta remember to pick them up before a Pak’n’Save town run.
    
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    November 25, 2022 11:28am
I remember when

Karl du Fresne:
… chief human rights pooh-bah Paul Hunt, arguably the most useless bureaucrat on the government’s payroll …..

Was his appointment ever anything but a self-fulfilling prophecy!
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November 25, 2022 10:22am
- Keith White
  
  I’d argue that – he’s got a lotta competition for that spot 🙂
  
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  November 25, 2022 11:28am
- Harry Knuts
  
  “The commission says protection should include speech that incites hostility and hatred”
  Last time I looked it wasn’t illegal to express hatred to someone or something or even express hostility. Isn’t this a basic human right to have emotions by way of words?
  
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  November 25, 2022 3:10pm
Jack5

Paper books are outlasting digital books, says an expert (archivists’) site, and explains that digital books need constant maintenance—reprocessing, reformatting, re-invigorating or they will not be readable or read.

The Vandals who butchered New Zealand’s national book collection, selling or giving away thousands of titles, did appalling damage.

https://blog.archive.org/2022/11/15/digital-books-wear-out-faster-than-physical-books/
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November 25, 2022 10:54am
- rangitoto
  
  These things survive thousands of years. I wonder if today’s digital info will survive even 100 years?
  
  http://www.sott.net/image/s21/432511/full/clay_tablet_cuneiform.jpg
  
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  November 25, 2022 11:47am
  - Bridgenag
    
    They didn’t copy …..just destroyed…..colonialist stuff you know…..
    
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    November 25, 2022 2:02pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  In the UK all laws are written on vellum which lasts 1k years. They wanted to change to paper to save money and this was voted down.
  
  Royal Archives at Windsor have the Muster Rolls from Agincourt and earlier
  
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  November 25, 2022 2:31pm
Nickc2

It looks like the US Republicans are going to do everything they can in their House of Representatives to deny taxpayer money being used for Climate Reparations. They have the number(s) to do it.
Suck on that James Shaw!
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/11/24/gop-rep-banks-well-do-everything-we-can-to-block-climate-reparation-payments-we-can-block-it/
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November 25, 2022 11:27am
Ghost

Well, this is a good way to show a future employer that you aren’t worth hiring

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/watch-nz-mcdonalds-worker-quits-mid-shift-tells-manager-see-you-on-the-flipside-bh/DQ2LKE3DONEJNLWXSV4QQUB2LY/
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November 25, 2022 12:08pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Just a quick fact check. MacDonalds doesnt have 10,000 employees in NZ.
  
  The franchise owners have employees.
  
  Picky picky yea I know.
  
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  November 25, 2022 1:28pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  It’s a set up – not real. The way the guy was acting through it was total BS.
  Hey – anything for clicks and reactions aye – 5mins of fame.
  
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  November 25, 2022 3:37pm
  - Ghost
    
    Yeah, but his boss says he doesn’t know how long he will remain employed
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/11/new-zealand-mcdonald-s-worker-apologises-after-tiktok-skit-of-him-storming-out-of-job-goes-viral.html
    
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    November 25, 2022 5:10pm
greybeard

Where is Andrew Coster these days ?
Retired?
Expired?
At the Chathams with the PM ?
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November 25, 2022 12:28pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Licking his wounds and wondering how he’s got it so wrong during his tenure.
  NZ has gone to the dogs under his watch.
  
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  November 25, 2022 3:39pm
Jack5

It’s just not Jacindarella’s year …

Voting at 16 for local body elections?

It’s about the youth vote.

Meanwhile, the 23-year-old elected by Gore as the country’s youngest-ever mayor is having problems already.

Will he go the distance to the next election?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130570162/nzs-youngest-mayor-on-leave-as-gore-councillors-call-for-deputy-to-stand-down
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November 25, 2022 12:28pm
- cmm
  
  You have to be pretty narcissistic to think you have enough life experience at 23 to be a mayor.
  Even if it is only little Gore.
  
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  November 25, 2022 1:48pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  What’s going on there? The story doesn’t tell what it’s really about.
  
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  November 25, 2022 2:03pm
Maggie Pie

“Come back…..you dropped your glasses”!! 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/ZbotTweets/status/1595618877047820288
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November 25, 2022 12:33pm
- Ghost
  
  Entertainment is always important at family events, just a shame no popcorn was supplied
  
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  November 25, 2022 12:38pm
Nickc2

This is believed to be from The BFD:

This pathetic government and their attitude toward crime:
Sep 2018 – voted down bill to allow Police to issue firearms prohibition orders against gang members with a history of firearms or violent offending
Oct 2018 – voted down bill to allow for random testing of drivers for drug impairment
May 2019 – voted down bill to increase maximum penalty for selling or supplying unapproved psychoactive substances from two to 14 years
June 2020 – voted down bill allowing maximum penalty of 20 years for “coward punches” causing death
Mar 2021 – voted down a bill requiring a school to be notified if a registered sex offender lives within 5 kms of the school
Apr 2021 – voted not to proceed with a bill that increases the maximum penalty for assaults on first responders or prison officers to 10 years
April 2021 – voted down a bill imposing a maximum penalty of five years for killing a police dog
June 2021 – voted down a bill that clarified carjacking is robbery
Oct 2021 – again voted down bill to allow Police to issue firearms prohibition orders against gang members with a history of firearms or violent offending
Apr 2022 – voted down a bill to ban the Government funding gangs
May 2022 – voted down a bill to increase the power of Police to seize assets gained through significant criminal activity

Then there is the repeal of the 3 strikes law.
Soft on crime? You judge.

Uptick = YES
Downtick = NO

[Mod – adding link to David’s post]

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/06/jacinda_says_her_government_is_not_soft_on_crime.html
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November 25, 2022 12:36pm
Prince

Ardern in the Chathams for yet another photo opp, and a cool half $Mil thrown in for a water tank.
Meanwhile NZ reels from inflation, recession, violence, roading chaos, Health system collapse, truancy, ram raids, 3 Waters being shoved down our throats. And on and on it goes.
Her backers hope a smile, head tilt and $55Mil to the MSM will make us forget. Never.
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November 25, 2022 12:37pm
- mandk
  
  Next week Ardern will be in Tuatapere.
  
  The following week she will be in Tokumaru Bay.
  
  The week after that she will be in Aus for important talks about something or other with Prime Minister Albanese.
  
  And her staff are working hard to find her crucial engagements for the remainder of the year in any far-flung part of the world.
  
  Anywhere but Mount Albert.
  
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  November 25, 2022 1:41pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Apparently Albo is being yelled at and shouted at when attends events
    
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    November 25, 2022 2:27pm
  - Jack5
    
    Tuatapere, long known in the south as the “Hole in the Bush”.
    
    Is there any village more isolated in the South Island?
    
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    November 25, 2022 2:30pm
    - mandk
      
      That was my point.
      Anywhere but Mount Albert.
      
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      November 25, 2022 4:54pm
- alex Masterley
  
  The Herald now tells us that Ardern will visit Sandringham as soon as she is able to!
  Oh Joy! Happy Happy Joy Joy, to misquote Ren and Stimpy.
  I cant wait for our humble little suburb to be so blessed.
  
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  November 25, 2022 2:31pm
  - Prince
    
    Surrounded no doubt by the adoring media entourage, giggling and congratulating themselves on how clever they are to be so blessed.
    Perhaps someone might ask a hard question – like why our Health system has collapsed, why her Justice system has failed so badly, why gun crime is up after the buyback, where the $100B she has borrowed has gone, why truancy is the worst ever, why her budget in June has proved so disastrous, why are so many young people stealing cars and committing crimes and whether she will instruct Police to start catching them instead of refusing to follow.
    
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    November 25, 2022 5:47pm
Brian McDonald

This may be too subtle for the general paranoia but isn’t it odd that a couple of weeks after being re-appointed the Reserve Bank Governor apologises for printing too much money early on in Covid and states that there will likely be a recession in the middle of the new year? He fessed up dear fellow.
Some experts are also saying that the prediction is pessimistic and unlikely to happen. You don’t think old Grant agrees with that? Or the next cash rate or maybe another after hold lower than the expected increases and so people and business will gain confidence that the economy is on the right track and stick with Labour?
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November 25, 2022 12:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Not too subtle, Brian
  
  Adrian Orr agrees to be the fall-guy in exchange for another 5 years at $8000,000+/yr.
  
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  November 25, 2022 1:04pm
- cmm
  
  “Reserve Bank Governor apologises for printing too much money early on in Covid and states that there will likely be a recession in the middle of the new year”
  
  Well it’s a bit late for him to figure that out. It’s economics 101. He should have understood this before printing the money.
  
  Now we have the worst scenario: stagflation with no wiggle room.
  
  If he knew what he was doing then it is deliberate sabotage.
  If he didn’t know what he was doing, then that’s gross negligence.
  
  Saying sorry after the fact doesn’t cut it.
  
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  November 25, 2022 3:04pm
Maggie Pie

OMG!!

“This crime wave will continue until we anglacize and civilize you maoris”

– RNZ morning host Nate Rarere reads feedback to stations txt line.
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November 25, 2022 12:51pm
- cmm
  
  Yeah, yeah disgusting racism and all that….
  But is it true?
  
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  November 25, 2022 1:50pm
  - cmm
    
    Bottom line though is that no matter the feelz in the matter, if more Maori “acted white” there would be considerably less crime in NZ and half the prison muster (or open up the prisons for people who deserve to be there rather than get home D).
    
    There would also be less of all the other loser attributes in society:
    * wagging school
    * poor educational outcomes
    * smoking
    * gross obesity
    * welfare beneficiaries
    * gang membership
    * teen pregnancy
    …
    
    Of course no individual should be judged according to their ethnicity or other grouping. The above are statistics, not a judgement of individuals.
    
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    November 25, 2022 3:14pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The poor buggers are just trying to exercise co-governance over your property.
  
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  November 25, 2022 1:58pm
- Prince
  
  You listen to Rarere ? Give your mental health a break and switch off.
  
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  November 25, 2022 5:49pm
CAKE FACE1

The Team of $55 million has run propaganda for the government, saying that the economy is splendid.

This will backfire next winter, when the economy crashes.

It will completely blindside the low information Cindy cult. The backlash should be amusing.

It is quite possible that Labour could get annihilated at the next election.

Personally, I’m already looking forward to watching Cindy’s face gurning if this happens.
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November 25, 2022 1:14pm
- Its only I
  
  I had to look up “gurning”
  
  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Gurning_Horse_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1826737.jpg
  
  Learn something new every day.
  
  No mods, I’m not doing the thing you may think I’m doing.
  
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  November 25, 2022 2:15pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    They have gurning competitions in the UK
    
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    November 25, 2022 2:26pm
- cmm
  
  Cindy will read the tealeaves (aka polls) and go running for her job at the UN. I really doubt she will risk adding “lost an election” to her CV.
  
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  November 25, 2022 3:16pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Would even the UN or WEF want a loser like her on the payroll
    
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    November 25, 2022 3:48pm
    - cmm
      
      I bet you she has a deal set up already.
      
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      November 25, 2022 4:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Look what Elon Musk found at Twitter.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1595250835096621057
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November 25, 2022 2:21pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  He just closed its EU HQ in Brussels as well.
  
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  November 25, 2022 2:47pm
Alan Wilkinson

The ToW partnership in action – we make money and you steal it.
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November 25, 2022 2:24pm
Maggie Pie

There’s a council contracted Street-Sweeping-Truck from ‘CIVCON’ that regularly sweeps kerbs in the hood.
Honestly, you should see the diesel-fumes it pumps out! Would even put a South Auckland People Mover to shame!!

Wonder who monitors stuff like this….God only knows what it must be adding to global warming 🙁
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November 25, 2022 2:38pm
GazzaW

I have just heard on Newstalk ZB that there will be no train services available for the Billy Joel concert at Eden Park next week due to track maintenance. What a balls-up! 40,000+ people attending and no rail services, no car parking and what will be totally inadequate bus services despite how many extra busses are scheduled.

How long has Auckland Transport, Metro Rail and Auckland City known about this and why wait until now to advise the public? Prioritise these outfits for a mass clean out Mayor Brown. Auckland needs an efficient public transport system.
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November 25, 2022 3:20pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Auckand Transport and Kiwirail both have trouble organising fornication in a brothel so I am not surprised to hear that.
  Judging by the Traffic Managment Plan i have looked at it would seem EP are expecting a big crowd, bigger than for ABS even. The area gest shut down between about 3pm and midnight which creates a pain in the arse if you want to go out.
  
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  November 25, 2022 4:10pm
Ghost

Another day, another kid

A 22-year-old man and a 15-year-old youth have been arrested after a dramatic police chase across Christchurch on Thursday that involved firearms and a helicopter.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130581243/two-arrested-after-thursdays-dramatic-police-chase-across-the-city
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November 25, 2022 3:30pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

Soccer fan tries to smuggle alcohol into Quatar Stadium in his binos!
Still gets caught….

Looking forward to seeing him again in about 5 years as star of ‘Locked-Up-Abroad’. LOL!!

https://twitter.com/TF_Video/status/1595656195720720384

(Wish he’d put some blavk nugget on the eye-pieces 😎 )
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November 25, 2022 3:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We did that at a Mt Smart Concert.
  My Brother had the special made dinks in the B case, and I had the binoculars.
  Another time when cold, we took sleeping bags. Security asked what was the fluid noise in the sleeping bag. Just said it was a hot water bottle.
  Cooks Chasseur – disgusting shit.
  
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  November 25, 2022 5:33pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  ‘Young, Dumb and Banged Up in the Sun’.
  
  Never watched it myself, but great title.
  
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  November 25, 2022 8:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Is this where NZ is heading? Assault free days, and gun free days?
Remember the carless days?
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/alderman-who-requested-fewer-cops-in-his-wards-calls-for-48hr-ceasefire/
Yup, that’s where we are going – control EVERYTHING!!!
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November 25, 2022 6:05pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  He’ll probably be the Mayor of Chicago in a few years time.
  
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  November 25, 2022 7:13pm
NZer In Exile

In Aus it’s the Victorian state election tomorrow.

Hopefully the lying turd will finally be flushed away.
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November 25, 2022 6:40pm
- kowtow
  
  I hope the anti corruption guy tips that absolute shite Andrews out of the seat .
  
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  November 25, 2022 7:14pm
greybeard

I reckon that NZ will be all out for about 160.
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November 25, 2022 6:48pm
- greybeard
  
  Well I was bloody wrong again !
  Well done Black Caps.
  
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  November 26, 2022 6:43am
Chris Nisbet

Cripes, hearing the concern in Simon Dallow’s voice when telling us all about the cold weather coming Ukraine and Afghanistan’s way, you’d almost think that he thought cold weather was a bigger killer than the little bit of gentle warming that will creep up on us over the next few decades.
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November 25, 2022 7:47pm
Ghost

Health is too important to have anyone other than someone who has experience with health as the minister. Little is showing just how much someone can fuck up something so vital. Who would ever have thought that there could be a worse health minister than Annette King

Senior medical specialists say Health Minister Andrew Little is in denial about how bad the health sector really is.

On Friday, they grilled Minister Little at a conference in Wellington and told him the system is at breaking point.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/doctors-claim-health-minister-andrew-little-is-in-denial-about-how-bad-health-sector-is.html
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November 25, 2022 8:12pm
Ghost

Police have arrested two men after the death of an Auckland dairy worker, and a manhunt that lasted over 48 hours.

Police have arrested a 34-year-old man and charged him with murder and aggravated robbery. A 42-year-old man has also been charged with robbery.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300748108/murder-charge-laid-over-sandringham-dairy-killing
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