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Warren

We have this situation in New Zealand now where Academic’s with the help of this Labour Government have fucked our Eduction System which used to be world class and turned our youth into criminals with their alternative policy in trying change the Justice System to keep them out of Prison.
Now we have the idiots in the Media turning on National like Lloyd Burr taking shots at National for there Policy on crime. I would like to ask these one eyed bias arsholes to explain what they would do for the people that are effected by there want of no Prisons and a better deal for criminals where does the victim fit in all of this as most take years to recover from the violence, property stolen or burglary where there memories have been stolen also, it might help to address that problem before blame of the Party you apposed in Parliament.
I am sick to death of Journalists like Lloyd Burr, Virginia Wade ,Simon Wilson and many others on the News giving there personal view instead of the facts.
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July 6, 2023 8:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Facts can destroy a good story.
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:26am
- Lance
  
  The same Lloyd Burr wheeled out ‘experts’ to scoff at increasing crime rates on TV1 news last night.
  Maybe he could go and visit the latest victims of the ultra-violent dairy robbery and mock them in their hospital bed
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:39am
  - backster
    
    Never mind the Police couldn’t meet their emergency response time targets so they doubled the time allowed now they will never be late.
    
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    July 6, 2023 10:06am
    - I remember when
      
      Begs the question, what are the supposed extra 1800 police officers actually doing?
      Perhaps asking what they are achieving would be a step to far.
      
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      July 6, 2023 10:24am
      - Ghost
        
        Minus the office staff, I’d guess working their butts off due to the police shortages. Nice to claim that there are 1800 new police, which there aren’t, but labour ignore the amount that have left the job. So they are still understaffed, overworked and fucked off that they do the work and the courts let them off with a slap
        
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        July 6, 2023 10:27am
      - pdm
        
        IRW – a question for every Question Time.
        
        How many Front Line Police have left the Force or handed in their resignations in the last week?
        
        I suspect it might be more than Ginny can count on her fingers and toes.
        
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        July 6, 2023 11:20am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Mostly replacing the ones who have already left, in droves if my intel is correct.
        
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        July 6, 2023 8:33pm
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Signed off by a Labour Government Minister at the same time as the Labour Government continued to gaslight the country by claiming that crime wasn’t increasing!
      
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      July 6, 2023 10:31am
    - Ra Henare
      
      A young friend of mine was a perfect fit as a Polie Officer. He was a “scallywag”as a teenager. Got in to al sorts of mischief.
      
      Then he grewup and wanted to be a policeman(did I mention he had a maori heritage).
      
      Got posted to Dunedin a few years in and then resigned.
      
      Didnt you like it said, No loved it the people side, but totally pissed off with all the paperwork and restrictive rules.
      
      Good news, A Boys College has an awesome PT teacher.
      
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      July 6, 2023 5:34pm
  - lastmanstanding
    
    I make no apology for saying the best thing that could happen is the media goons the Leftie pollies and civil servants have much crime visited on them and those close to them to punish them for their dumb arse mentality. They deserve it.
    
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    July 6, 2023 10:18am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  And that’s why certain people on here carrying on exactly like the rotten media to National should be put in their place at every opportunity, much of what they say is bullshit, and only helps the worst government in history scrap back in
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:45am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Oh right, because Kiwiblog has as much influence or more than the MSM.
    
    FFS, for all its success within the NZ blog world, the fact is that KB is very small fish in a big media pond.
    
    As such it can and should be treated as a debating platform, including criticism of National, ACT and other right-wing outfits.
    
    Not as you want it; an endless tub thumping exercise for National. There are plenty of people on this forum who have voted National (me included) and will again (not me, admittedly), and were doing so and criticising National even so, and were doing so years before you turned up.
    
    So get a grip. Smacking Luxon and/or National around on this forum is not the factor that might lose them the election, so take your attempted censorship and shove it.
    
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    July 6, 2023 10:31am
    - Ghost
      
      G is right. I know labour supporters who when they supported labour, they don’t any more would never say a bad thing about greens, they saw them as part of a labour govt. some on the right don’t seem to understand National and act need each other so go all out to attack and talk down the other.
      
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      July 6, 2023 10:33am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        I’m not exactly thrilled with ACT either, although I know it’s the 80:20 rule, and while it’s true that they don’t get bashed as much as National does here, that’s because they’re also not promoted as much.
        
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        July 6, 2023 10:50am
    - wilderbeast
      
      Bang on. I’m pleased to see that there is some criticism of National round here, because I’d rather be in dialogue with genuinely open minded people, which there are manifestly not enough of in this day and age.
      
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      July 6, 2023 2:30pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    No G.
    
    Some of us have a crack at National because they have never done what the say they will do in terms of rolling back this crap. Yeah, they may toughen up on crime, allow ACT to get 3 Strikes in….
    
    BUT the roots of the dysfunction are never properly addressed:
    
    1/ The welfare state and its over reach beyond being a safety net into a lifestyle. Thinking it through the slow morphing of Welfare State benefits into universal income (we are 60% through imo) is a Fabian approach to change in strategy. Ultimate objective is State control of all income sources and distribution. Labour lurch things to the left on the path to State control of income sources and distribution, National get in and trim it a bit BUT never roll it back properly… enter Labour a again and the ratchet it up again…
    
    2/ Education. National tinker – introduce some standards which teachers unions undermine…. all the while Teacher training is left in the hands of far left nutters – and via control of who BECOMES a teacher the Left ensures the Education system is subvert (its taken decades but again Fabianism in action – softly, softly catch the monkey)
    
    3/ Academia – well what can we say here, National never touch Universities and ignore the wellspring of vile, anti human left thought sitting on the tax payers dime coming up with every more extreme stupid crap like trans and even worse but coming trans-humanism (go look it up and who is pushing it)
    
    4/ Standing Bureaucracy. National never address this in any real way. The Left are baked in deep in local and central bureaucracies – and they spend their time pushing the Lefts agenda
    
    So get off your high horse and present a vision of rolling back this leftist crap and get NZ back into self reliance is my message to Luxon and the National Party.
    
    And when you get power: be decisive. 80/20 rule – don’t try to get it perfect but multi waves of change focused on 80 percent of your objectives in welfare, education, academia and public servants. Two waves achieving 80% of your overall objects gets to 96% (80% first wave then 80% of the remainder…..) pretty quickly
    
    Any Public Servant who opposes reform – retire them. Just remove them from power and refocus the Public Service on SERVICE not running their untested at the ballot box agendas
    
    So G stop bashing people and have a good solid look at your party and tell us how they are actually going to make things better – we don’t need another 9 years of Keyism better management. We need radical, root and branch reform
    
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    July 6, 2023 10:34am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Well said, JimBobJoe. National is an enabler. Time for some tough love.
      
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      July 6, 2023 2:11pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Well we shall see, but if you do t want them, carry on with these muppets we have destroying this once proud country
      
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      July 6, 2023 8:15pm
- redeye
  
  Lloyd Burr still wondering why no-one listened to him on radio.
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:04am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Not sure if Lloyd is capable of wondering.
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:55am
  - oldgolfer
    
    I know.
    
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    July 6, 2023 10:14am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Warren, just don’t read them. Like most other people. Why do you think Hosking is the most popular radio show host? It’s not because he has the same views as the opinion jockeys you have quoted. Also, there is the small matter of Editors. Who allow Wilson et al to keep producing the same shit. Stop reading their opinions. It will improve your life!
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:16am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Editors, researchers and producers. These are the hidden pushers of woke, lefty rubbish through selective choice of facts, stories and narratives to present
    
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    July 6, 2023 10:36am
- Littletramp
  
  So called “facts” by these journos are now based on first holding a wet finger up to test the “wind of opinions” on social media sites.
  This link is to a lengthy but high quality article, explaining the phenomenon of why we can’t make sense of these apparently ludicrous views. “Content is no longer measured against absolute truth, but against emotional attitudes.”
  These people are looking for digital reactions to gain and maintain a social status. Nothing to do with reality and facts.
  https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-viral-inquisitor
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:38am
- Bullion
  
  I don’t see what National and ACT are saying that will reduce future victimisation – if what they said worked, it would have worked last time they talked like this and the time before that etc.
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:21am
- Paulus
  
  The ones you name are no better that the rest of the so called media, not only in New Zealand but World Wide.
  They think they are clever but in fact at the end of the days are lying, cheating, opinionated arseholes totally.
  How can they live with themselves ?
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:58am
NeverMindTheBollocks

And there you have it, folks,

“The inquiry found that despite Te Huia carrying about 250 passengers each day, its fares only covered 13.4% of its operating costs…. with funding guaranteed from Waka Kotahi.”

No word on the train’s carbon deficit.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132484575/something-national-wont-be-putting-back-on-track
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July 6, 2023 8:02am
- mandk
  
  “No word on the train’s carbon deficit”
  
  I don’t recall the source, but I read that carbon emissions would be lower if all the passengers on the train travelled between Hamilton and Auckland in V6 Utes.
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:27am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, that’s consistent with the numbers I worked out at the time.
    It would even have been better, and cheaper, to fly them by helicopter.
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:56am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Faster as well.
      
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      July 6, 2023 8:59am
- artemisia
  
  Did the enquiry mention ratio of paying pax to gold card holders travelling free? The article didn’t say.
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:32am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  So the only solution is MORE passenger rail.
  
  This is a glorious success, Comrades!
  
  The money wasted on rail is making the roads unsafe to drive on, and reducing everybody’s carbon emissions by destroying their cars.
  
  Win-Win!
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:25am
  - rouppe
    
    Well apparently that’s what’s being investigated now.
    
    Rail Wlg-Akl, Wlg-Nap, Akl-Tga.
    
    So from a purely academic pov, I would be unlikely to take a train to Napier because I wouldn’t usually fly to Napier, I’d drive because I was going there for a visit. If for business, it would have to make the journey in 2-2.5 hours to be compelling against air.
    
    For a train trip Wlg-Akl the best option would be an overnight sleeper, or a day train would have to do it in less than 5 hours, and at half the price of an air fare to make me choose that
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:49am
    - hullkiwi
      
      The desire for these services belies the historic reality that services such as Akl-Tga were ended years ago because nobody was using the service!
      
      The obvious question, what has changed?
      
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      July 6, 2023 10:16am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      We see now the project that will shaft this government when they pour billions into a dud project to bankrupt us once and for all
      
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      July 6, 2023 8:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So when you take your car for a WOF and find the tierod ends, bottom and top ball joints, swing arm bushes, steering rack mount bushes, are all knackered, will Waka Coathanger pay for this damage?
    Just means the Net Taxpayer gets hit again really.
    
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    July 6, 2023 10:36am
- Ruawai
  
  Aha so that is where the pot hole repair money has gone. We were driving about half an hour out of New Plymouth on state highway 3 this week and, I kid you not, we saw a road worker with a small truck of asphalt and a bucket walk over to a pot hole, tip his bucket of asphalt into the pot hole, then stomp on it with his work boots. Well that is high tech and sure to last!!
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:29am
  - Pheobe
    
    We had the same on our road a few weeks back, but he was one up and had a wheelbarrow. A few weeks later the pot whole is bigger than ever and the side of the road is breaking away as vehicles try and drive around it.
    
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    July 6, 2023 12:27pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  You’re making the mistake of thinking that numbers, mathematics and science are important in this debate.
  
  They’re not, and they never were.
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:34am
- Paulus
  
  Taxpayers are Waka Kotahi funders so it does not matter.
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:59am
artemisia

Ben Thomas today on tensions between Ministers and officials. Seems about right.

While there are huge variations in the performance of individual agencies and ministers, a broad diagnosis of the problem is that ministers can’t tell the public service what they need, and are then upset when they don’t get it.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300921772/what-might-lie-beneath-kiri-allans-problem-with-the-bureaucrats
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July 6, 2023 8:03am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Maybe if the esteemed Minister stopped attacking people, she might develop a slightly more collaborative management style?
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:27am
  - hullkiwi
    
    More fundamentally, if she knew what she wanted/needed, she might be able to articulate what she required from people.
    
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    July 6, 2023 10:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bullying is power!
    
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    July 6, 2023 10:39am
  - Nickc2
    
    Maybe if she chose to dress as is appropriate for the office she holds instead of dressing in preparation for an impending revolution, she may be afforded some credibility.
    
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    July 6, 2023 1:33pm
Maggie Pie

The 2 offenders remain at large 🙁

‘Mt Roskill dairy owner in hospital with serious head injuries after being attacked by hammer-weilding robbers’

– 1ZB

Earlier this week I recall Dep PM Caramel Sepuloni was asked how bad crime was in Auckland? “Oh I wouldn’t say it’s bad at all” she replied.

Honestly, you get the feeling Labor, Greens and Maori have made a pact with the devil.

At least the Fog-Canon went off.
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July 6, 2023 8:08am
- Tony Stuart
  
  And just a couple of hours later a man armed with an axe robbed a dairy in Hastings, injuring the owner:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300921834/owner-injured-as-man-armed-with-axe-robs-store-in-hastings?cid=app-iPad
  
  Sepuloni is gaslighting the public of New Zealand. We all KNOW that crime is out of control, and don’t need the Deputy PM bullshitting about things. Sepuloni’s first task today should be to visit the woman in hospital and apologise to her for her government’s inability to stop attacks like this from happening. Chances of that happening? Nil, nada, zero.
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:13am
  - pdm
    
    Just around the corner from us Inv – 4/500 meters away. Never heard a siren.
    
    Headlines said an axe in fact it looked more like a tomahawk – much more effective in the confined space of a dairy I would think.
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:17am
    - Cassandra
      
      Very popular byproduct of colonialism, much preferable to patu.
      
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      July 6, 2023 8:30am
  - G152
    
    Sepuloni has cuzzies.
    Only explanation possible
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:21am
    - igm
      
      No, her rellies rip off taxpayers via Winz.
      
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      July 6, 2023 9:35am
      - kowtow
        
        She rips us off via IRD , huge spend ups and inflation.
        
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        July 6, 2023 10:44am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Burglary’s and ram raids are down, Ginny said so 😃
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:48am
  - RoboRob
    
    If we are to believe the various Labour ministers, we have more police then before Labour came into power.
    
    The police have recently extended expected call times from 20-25mins to ~40mins, becuase staff are stretched.
    
    If we apply logic to those two facts we can only assume the Crime has increased significantly more than the number of police.
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:48am
    - backster
      
      No. its’ poor policies and bad management by woke Commissioner and administrators. Staff sucked up by Gender Liasion ethnic liasion, Traffic, etc and not response cars. Response cars complying with reducing speed limits, non pursuits policy.
      
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      July 6, 2023 10:25am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘staff are stretched.’
      
      With diversity targets the staff are now short.
      
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      July 6, 2023 10:45am
- imalwaysright
  
  When will the dairy robberies be classed as race crimes.
  Imagine if dairies were run by maoris and robbed by whites
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:13am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Not possible, dairies require hard work and long hours.
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:49am
    - Matt Long
      
      Yeah, plenty of Maori work long hours at difficult jobs, the difficulty we have is socialist governments have created an underclass of fatherless criminal homes in which Maori predominate and other Maori have tarred with the same brush.
      
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      July 6, 2023 10:02am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That is it. Fatherless homes. No respect for elders.
        I follow Candace Owens (Turning Point USA, Prague Uni) on Facebook.
        Her words: “Democrats don’t want fathers in the homes. They want welfare dependent voters”
        That is “exactly” the same here with Labour and Greens.
        You will be happy and you will be poor and you will own nothing.
        
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        July 6, 2023 10:47am
  - sirknz
    
    That seems like a tautological nonsense…
    
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    July 6, 2023 10:11am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I had to use the google machine for that word.
      They arrived one after the other in succession.
      
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      July 6, 2023 10:50am
- My
  
  And at across the road, $850k 2023 Rolls-Royce Ghost, two-tonne sedan ,6.7 litre V-12 engine, t 563 horsepower, 100km/h in about 4.6 seconds, was stolen.
  Keep an eye out for it at the next ram raid Carmel.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/grant-theft-auto-new-850k-rolls-royce-ghost-stolen-from-glen-eden-womans-home/E73RDLY3YZB27PNKICDNG3IE5E/
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:20am
  - Scooter
    
    Probably worth more than a lot of houses in Glen Eden these days.
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:39am
  - dubya
    
    Two questions;
    1. Why have the herald blurred the footage of the crims, when the cops haven’t been able to identify them yet?
    
    2. Who has a brand new roller in Glen Eden?!
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:42am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Recent Lotto winners?
      
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      July 6, 2023 10:37am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Come here from India, she said
        
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        July 6, 2023 6:22pm
  - Matt Long
    
    I kinda thought a 2023 RR would have a fairly bullet proof security and tracking system.
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:24am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Maybe they found the keys in the house
      Love that their other car is a Toyota Vitz
      
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      July 6, 2023 9:29am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Hack the keys through the homes WiFi.
      
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      July 6, 2023 9:58am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Not really possible. I think it is pretty clear the offenders got hold of the keys. Opportunistic. They dumped the car within few kms of the house.
        
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        July 6, 2023 5:05pm
  - Paulus
    
    Is the stolen Rolls Royce 2023 as number plate does not says so ?
    It look secondhand worth far less that the new figure quite.
    Typical media story.
    
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    July 6, 2023 11:04am
    - imalwaysright
      
      At least its insured ! Phew !!
      
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      July 6, 2023 1:26pm
  - Ghost
    
    Or read the article and realise it was already found abandoned.
    
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    July 6, 2023 11:17am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Ouch!
    
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    July 6, 2023 6:19pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And while we’re on the subject of Labors Michael Wood’s electorate….
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300921345/man-jailed-for-masturbating-in-front-of-child-and-women-at-popular-auckland-park
  
  A ‘river-of-filth’ runs thru it 🙁
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Judge Stephen Bonnar?
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:44am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Wasn’t lost on me either 😛
      
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      July 6, 2023 8:56am
      - Matt Long
        
        So justice is still a lottery of which judge you get?
        
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        July 6, 2023 9:26am
  - Swifty
    
    Rocket Park is in the Mt Albert electorate.
    
    Was Ardern, now vacant.
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:47am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Rocket park is in Mt Albert electorate whose labour representative is a list MP the previous incumbent having sodded off leaving one hell of a mess in her wake.
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:02am
  - Scooter
    
    The pedo was at the Rocket Park in Mt Albert, Jacinda’s electorate, also where the dairy owner was murdeted. Michael Wood is in Mt Roskill down the road, where the latest dairy bashing happened. I wonder if she’ll move now, can’t be much fun shopping at her local.
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:53am
  - wsk12345
    
    Was there a pride festival on ? That seems to be acceptable behaviour at those.
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:19pm
- alex Masterley
  
  The Mount Roskill dairy raid is sickening.
  The offenders have no qualms about the violence they visit on their victims.
  The consequences of being caught are minimal these days so they just dont care.
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:01am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I wonder how bad it has to be before she’ll admit that it’s bad.
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:41am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I assume as the bastards attacked the poor woman when they didn’t need to, they were both white CIS males as they do all the violence/
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:01am
  - sirknz
    
    Maybe she was wearing a red t-shirt…
    
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    July 6, 2023 10:14am
- mogg
  
  This situation will rapidly improve with Labours planned ‘wrap around services and long term solutions’.
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:42am
Tony Stuart

National’s plan to establish a third medical school is an excellent one, especially given how it has drawn out Labour shills to oppose it.

I really like the idea that more mature graduates can apply for admission. Rather than being largely restricted to those straight out of school, it provides an opportunity for those who have already pursued a career and developed some life experience to change course and do a four-year medical degree. I’m also delighted that the Waikato school will have a focus on training doctors to become GP’s or medical practitioners in the provinces and rural areas where there are some severe shortages.

National has already been in extended discussion with Waikato University, which is going to stump up $100 million towards the establishment cost of the school. Does Waikato see the writing on the wall in terms of who is leading the country later in the year?

Overall, this is a fantastic policy, with Dr Shane Reti’s fingerprints clearly evident. He is going to be an outstanding Minister of Health.
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July 6, 2023 8:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dr Shane Reti – outstanding Minister of Health.
  He has one hell of a mess to start with, after six years of multiple Ministers and Associate Ministers grinding it into the ground.
  Why does Labour wreck everything they touch? Can the Net Taxpayer sue Labour for this?
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:24am
- kowtow
  
  And te media pardy reaction.
  
  For some reason they’re concerned over costs .
  
  They never questioned the cost of covid.
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:26am
- Blog-aholic
  
  It should actually be at Massey and not Wokeato.
  
  Massey has the Vet school, Food Tech, Ag Ascience so they have the facilities for the Medical School and they are more centrally located.
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:32am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Waikato university appears to be one of the more sensible universities and less woke to me. They have had Stephen Joyce working for them and seem to be one university to buck the downward enrolment trend and I haven’t heard that they are having redundancies like Victoria and Otago.
    
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    July 6, 2023 10:05am
    - Nickc2
      
      Doesn’t Waikato University have a Maori Faculty that gave birth to the He Puapua document?
      
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      July 6, 2023 1:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Good term and fitting.
    Wokeato University.
    
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    July 6, 2023 10:58am
- peterwn
  
  Presumably the main issue would be the School’s proposed philosophy. It would seem its graduates would not rank equally with those from the two existing medical schools. This would raise registration issues. Should Waikato doctors be on a separate register or have their registrations endorsed? Would they be permanently barred from being specialists (or would there be a separate system of specialities)? Would NZ registration become internationally dubious (especially with respect to Australia)? Would pressure build over time to have Waikato graduates treated similar to other doctors? Would the Government allow registration of overseas doctors whose training would be similar to Waikato training, but who are currently refused registration?
  This also raises the issue of how strong is the correlation between academic excellence and the overall capability of day to day practice.
  If these issues can be successfully accommodated then go for it!
  Another option would be for Massey to expand its veterinary school teaching to include homo sapien patients since it currently covers every other species of animals.
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:39am
- Rodney Hide
  
  Hi Tony
  
  Is there a short explanation of why another medical school is needed? How many schools of medicine should the country have? Why not close Waikato! Why not set the goal of having a world class medical school rather than another third rate one.
  
  Rodney Hide
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:44am
  - Swifty
    
    I agree.
    
    Why create new when you can expand existing?
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:48am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Yes, what about making the current facilities suitable for more students.
    I’m sure it is more efficient to have a lecturer talking to 200 students than two lecturers for 100 students both in separate locations .
    
    Why have two separate infrastructures.
    
    Good luck getting the new one staffed.
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:20am
  - Handyman
    
    The established (establishment) medical schools have resisted extensions for years. They are aimed at training specialists of the future and the medical fraternity is one of the strongest unions restricting supply. Do you remember when Australian eye doctors were being brought in by the Southland? DHB and the NZ college had them barred?
    
    A third school is necessary to scale up numbers and Hamilton is the best location next to the largest hospital in New Zealand. It is also necessary to have a separate school to train graduates, having a 4 year programme. You cannot have the five and four year training programmes running in the same school.
    
    Finally, the Waikato graduates will rank equally with other medical schools. Students will be selected at entry level for suitability/preference for GP practice so expect some quota for Maori and rural applicants. Thye know going in they will be discriminated against for acceptance on the specialist training programmes of the various colleges of surgeons etc.
    
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    July 6, 2023 12:27pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Here you go Rodney and others; there’s no point in me reinventing the wheel when the policy documents answer that question:
    
    Why we need to train more doctors?
    
    New Zealand is training too few doctors to meet the needs of its growing and aging population and to accommodate the expected pattern of retirement of our existing health workforce. This lack of domestically trained doctors leads to longer wait times for treatment, particularly in rural and provincial parts of the country.
    
    According to GenPro, a collective of 1000 General Practices, 45 per cent of patients must wait a week or longer to see a doctor.¹ Data from Health New Zealand shows that around a quarter of patients must wait longer than four months for their first appointment with a specialist, and last year almost 300,000 patients spent longer than six hours in a hospital emergency department.²
    
    Why we need a third medical school?
    
    Despite being relatively large by international standards, the Auckland and Otago medical schools don’t produce enough doctors to meet New Zealand’s health workforce demands. According to the Medical Council of New Zealand, over 40 per cent of doctors in New Zealand were trained overseas, including 46 per cent of GPs, 54 per cent of rural hospital doctors, 58 per cent of emergency medicine doctors and over 64 per cent of psychiatrists.³
    
    New Zealand currently has one medical school for every 2.6 million people. That compares to one for every 2.1 million people in the US, one for every 1.5 million people in the UK, and one for every 1.2 million people in Australia.
    
    https://assets.nationbuilder.com/nationalparty/pages/18041/attachments/original/1688512302/Training_more_doctors.pdf?1688512302
    
    Here’s another reason:
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/487075/nearly-two-thirds-of-gps-plan-to-retire-in-next-10-years
    
    If we don’t ramp up GP training, we’re going to have a GP crisis before long; some would say an even worse crisis that we already have! The Waikato school will focus on training doctors for provincial and rural areas, and for GP work. That in itself is a good reason for setting it up.
    
    National campaigned on this in 2017; Labour kicked the can down the road. It’s long-term thinking by National, and I suspect Shane Reti has played a huge role in developing this.
    
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    July 6, 2023 1:26pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Doesn’t really answer the question of why we need a third Med school (as opposed to needing more doctors). Dunedin Hospital is not huge & there are limits to how many students a Consultant can drag around in his wake, which is why Otago has satellite campuses in Chch & Wgtn.
      
      But – no point in training more doctors if they don’t stick around. We badly need to bond them for n years of service, in return for remitting a proportion of their student loans.
      
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      July 6, 2023 6:32pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    I agree Rodney.
    The overhead to set up a new school with admin staff tutors etcetc which will take years to build & setup.
    
    Surely given the severe shortage maybe increase current class sizes by 10%? No extra/new admin/management staff. Current tutors should be able to handle 10% more students.
    
    Or indeed some extra tutors but split shift classes.
    What percenatge of medical school facilities are unused every day.?
    Its a crisis. Move to crisis management and maximise facilities to produce more graduates. AND do away with the racist selection criteria. Get the brightest and the best starting in 2024.
    
    Yep maybe some physical work to increase lab sizes will be needed.
    But should be able to be in action for the 2024 year.
    
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    July 6, 2023 5:54pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  And all Labour can say we can’t see the money, why these muppets don’t realise Nats wIll have the money that this government wastes is beyond me
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:51am
- GJM
  
  The problem is Waikato Uni. A more useless and woke uni would,d be hard to find, and fully owned by Tainui.
  As a Waikato graduate, I would not recommend it to anyone.
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:59am
- cmm
  
  Is there really a need for another?
  
  What medical schools need is to be able to run more students through them. Maybe a better location.
  
  Otago and Waikato are, quite frankly, back waters. Not really the places for medical schools. That is, in part, why Otago med school has a satellite campus at Christchurch hospital.
  
  NZ could function with one med school done right. More is not better. We have limited resources in NZ and it makes sense to pool them together rather than spread them out.
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:02am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Lol cmm, backwater, that would be why Otago churned out pretty much all of our Doctors back in the day (I think it opened in 1870 or so). What should happen, is they should close all the other schools and satellites and get them back to Dunedin. It literally doesn’t matter where it is, as long as it’s excellent.
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:25am
    - cmm
      
      You misunderstand me.
      
      Otago med school is not a backwater. Dunedin is.
      
      That is why Otago med school has a satellite campus at Chch – to expose the students to the resources available at Chch hospital rather than the meagre resources at Dunners hospital.
      
      If you’ve ever been around a hospital, you’ll have seen swarms of med students following the specialists on their rounds. This is a large part of the doctors’ roles: helping with education of the next batch. This is easier to do at Chch than Dunners because there are far more doctors.
      
      Apart from a the med school and a few niches like surveying, Otago is munted as a university. What they should to is shut it down, then amalgamate the good bits with U Canterbury and relocate everything worth saving to Christchurch and flush the rest.
      
      If Otago med school didn’t exist and they were starting a new med school in South Island then it would be in Christchurch. It makes sense because you need a large teaching hospital.
      
      Building a new medical university far from large city is stupid. Waikato is a dumb idea. Expanding Auckland is a good idea. Expanding Otago is problematic, but relocating Otago med school to U Canterbury and expanding that could potentially be a good idea too.
      
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      July 6, 2023 2:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You have to worry about Dr Verrall.
  
  Here she is querying the cost of a new Medical School…
  
  “The biggest issue here is that the National Party is simultaneously promising tax cuts and this expensive investment – which we agree is needed – but they need to show how they’re going to be able to pay for it,” she said.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/493231/government-questions-cost-value-of-national-s-medical-school-policy
  
  But she’s never raised a dickie bird about the money wasted by her Labour caucus mates as they tried to “control” Covid, and restructured our Water infrastructure, Our Health services, our Polytechnics, etc.
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:28am
- mawm
  
  A 4 year medical degree! It sounds as if the idea of barefoot doctors has reached a (allegedly) first world country.
  
  Currently after going through medical school (5 years) and 2 years of internship to get a Fellowship with the NZ College of GP’s a doctor has to do a General Practice Educational Program which takes at least 3 years. Total 0f 10 years. Surely Reti knows that.
  
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  July 6, 2023 1:28pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Hope the quality is better than that turned out by Waikatos communications department….
  
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  July 6, 2023 1:31pm
Chuck Bird

I see we set a record for global temperature. I wonder if the clowns at the Climate Change Commission realize that many more people die from extreme cold than extreme heat.
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July 6, 2023 8:09am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Christchurch has had by far the warmest June since records began. Mean June temperature 9.3 degrees. Historical mean for June is 6.8 degrees.
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:16am
  - Ford Prefect
    
    Since records began??
    
    So thats the 1860s is it? 160 years of reading the mercury at weather stations lets you understand the climate for the last 4 billion years?
    
    One weather station for one month proves that the climate is running out of control and its all mans fault?
    
    An extreme case of cherry picking
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:25am
    - graham
      
      On TV1 News last night, they ran this story and stated it was the highest global temperature since records began in … 1979.
      
      https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/05/world/hottest-day-world-climate-el-nino-intl/index.html
      
      The highest global temperature in 44 years. Be still my quaking heart. Do they really expect us take this nonsense seriously? 44 years is the blink of an eye in the history of the earth.
      
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      July 6, 2023 8:43am
    - Simon
      
      Halt all immigration from the third world into NZ. Its a climate crisis.
      
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      July 6, 2023 8:43am
      - sirknz
        
        No, no, we have to save them all, just like the French…
        
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        July 6, 2023 10:17am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Yes. It is either hotter today, or cooler today than in the past based on when one picks the starting point. It helps be able to disappear the MWP, and ‘adjust’ older temperatures down and modern ones up … but that’s a bayesian data crime that will catchup with the perpetrator.
      
      This one is relevant: Three Typhoon Jets Landed Next to Thermometer When Britain’s ‘Record’ Temperature of 40.3°C Was Recorded.
      
      Finger on the scale, anyone?
      
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      July 6, 2023 9:11am
      - Bullion
        
        Must have had a lot of Typhoon Jets landing all over the world and UK in July 2022:
        
        Among global stations with a record of at least 40 years, an astonishing 329 set (not just tied) an all-time heat record in July. Eighty-nine of these stations were in the UK
        
        The full list of stations and record temps are listed:
        https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2022/08/july-2022-earths-6th-warmest-july-on-record/
        
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        July 6, 2023 10:42am
      - RightNow
        
        Is it true over 4 trillion USD has been spent so far on wind and solar, and that during that spend emissions increased at 3x the prior rate
        
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        July 6, 2023 11:44am
      - Bullion
        
        Economies that are shifting to renewables are seeing a drop in GHG emissions for Electricity and heat sector, such as in the US and Europe. NZ has also declined from its peak in this sector.
        
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        July 6, 2023 12:16pm
      - mawm
        
        Bullion – can you explain to me in simple terms why historic temp figures have to be adjusted downwards – sometimes repeatedly and why the data has been hidden from us? I believe Michael Mann (of the hockey stick graph derived from tree rings – actually only 1 tree) has them. You could probably enlighten us as to what the error is with mercury thermometer readings – and how they align with the currently used electronic sensors.
        
        While you are about it, seeing global warming is causing catastrophic rises in sea levels, explain why the records from when sea levels were fist measured show a linear rise and not an accelerating rise. I think The Battery, NY is the oldest gauge. Here’s its record which seems linear to me. https://psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/12.php
        
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        July 6, 2023 1:47pm
      - Bullion
        
        mawm – satellite measurements (indirect measurements that infer temperature) need correcting because of drift – satellites slow down and their altitude changes, so the data needs to reflect those changes so measurements are comparable.
        
        This is a good article to read to get why temperature measurements may be adjusted:
        https://skepticalscience.com/truth-about-temperature-data.html
        
        Regarding the Battery:
        The New York City sea level rise trend at the Battery between 1900 and 1990 is 2.9mm/yr, increasing to 4.3mm/yr between 1990 and 2019.
        https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20205005519/downloads/VGornitzUrbanClimateEnhancingReprint.pdf
        
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        July 6, 2023 3:48pm
      - mawm
        
        Bullion – I did not know they had temperature measuring satellites in the first half of the 20th century and before to adjust!
        
        If you take the sea levels at the Battery over its whole life it is a straight line. If you cherry pick which years you want to average then you come up with the B/S you posted. That is why we do not believe you and the other climate alarmists.
        
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        July 6, 2023 5:26pm
      - Bullion
        
        I provided a link which talks about temp measurements going back prior to satellite measurements. It’s very thorough and I can’t be bothered synthesising it down for you.
        
        I provided added context for satellite measurements as that is fairly simple
        
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        July 6, 2023 6:33pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Good grief. All I said was Christchurch has had a notably warm June. It is obvious to anyone living here and it is backed up by the data. That was the end of my story. I wasn’t making any inferences about weather anywhere else or the climate billions of years ago.
      
      Why would that trigger people?🙄
      
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      July 6, 2023 10:31am
      - Bullion
        
        Yeah, facts over feelings.
        
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        July 6, 2023 10:50am
  - kowtow
    
    How far back in centuries do those records go .
    
    Meaningless.
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:28am
  - Simon
    
    Hottest June in Christchurch since records began in 1900s or something. This is a crisis indeed. Just wait until China & India hear about this. Taxes need to go up in Christchurch.
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:42am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Since the 1860s.
      
      I was not making a political point. I have posted extensively on what I think of some of the Government’s climate change policies.
      
      However both subjectively and objectively June in Christchurch was much warmer than my lived experience and anyone I talk to. That is all I was saying. Yet it has triggered these passionate observations about the politics of climate change 😂
      
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      July 6, 2023 12:38pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      BY – exactly, saying this month was warmer than usual shouldn’t be a cue for climate change prophecies of doom. Weather was always the boring topic of conversation in the UK when you didn’t have anything interesting to talk about.
      
      June 1976 was the hottest summer in ‘living memory’ at the time. It was brilliant, and nobody decided that the world was going to end.
      Of course, 1977 the summer was wet and miserable.
      
      Nobody talks about that one, surely if there is a hot year/month and it’s used to support the man made climate change madness, then conversely a cold year/month means the climate is cooling?
      
      Cherry picking data to support an argument is not science and it is not proof that we are in mortal danger of the planet burning up.
      Humans have an astounding ability to grossly exaggerate their own relevance and influence on miniscule a rock in space. People need to get a grip of themselves.
      
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      July 6, 2023 6:02pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    The Little Ice Age ended in around 1875.
    We have been steadily warming since then- back to where temperatures once were…
    Here’s a nice clip on the Greenland Ice Core Project which makes it clear Greenland was 1-2 Degrees C warmer than it is today.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmmmgiPha_Y&list=LL&index=86&t=6s
    Just love the Orwellian tag about ‘context’ inserted by You Tube
    
    Also I bet there are issues with that Weather Station too. Stevenson Screens are just not accurate (Mercury Thermometer read by Mk 1 eyeball- not even digital!) and subject to Urban Heat Island Effect
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:46am
    - Bullion
      
      Nice little clip, though the Medieval Warm Period was localised and global temperature averages show it didn’t have that much impact on overall global temperatures.
      
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      July 6, 2023 11:14am
  - Rodney Hide
    
    Hi Benedict
    
    Temperature records are tricky. Niwa’s famous 7 station series show warming was fake. When the adjustments were taken out, it was flat. I understand the need to calibrate retrospectively a temperature series. But each adjustment would need consistent and explained reasoning following an established protocol. Niwa had lost the workings for the adjustments. That so called warming in their web page and government reports had no basis. No problem. After much to-ing and thro-ing — climate change is real, don’t you know — they produced an 11-station series. Look! It’s warming.
    
    When I asked them what their testable hypothesis was they said there wasn’t one. Rather, there were hundreds of testable hypotheses in thousands of papers — peer reviewed — which settled the science.
    
    What NIWA does in climate is not science.
    
    We saw the same through the pandemic. Ideologues masquerading as doing science but unable to think and reason critically and test critically ideas. Indeed, they shut down debate and questions.
    
    It’s Soviet science sadly.
    
    Rodney Hide
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:59am
    - Rusty
      
      @Rodney,
      
      The weather “experts” don’t always get the forecasts for the following day correct but they know what is going to happen to the world’s climate in the next 20-30 years!
      
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      July 6, 2023 9:10am
      - Paulus
        
        No, Weather experts don’t know what is to happen in say 30 years. remember they need jobs so can say anything and stay in Green Party !
        
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        July 6, 2023 11:10am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Yes, what about making the current facilities suitable for more students.
      I’m sure it is more efficient to have a lecturer talking to 200 students than two lecturers for 100 students both in separate locations .
      
      Why have two separate infrastructures.
      
      Good luck getting the new one staffed.
      
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      July 6, 2023 9:32am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Rodney
      would temperature data be more reliable from a thermometer buried to a set depth ?
      Just thinking that this would minimise the effects of weather.
      
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      July 6, 2023 9:37am
      - Rodney Hide
        
        I don’t know. I do know measuring temperature and declaring a trend is fraught. I have enjoyed Anthony Watts work over many years actually documenting the temperature stations. It would be funny if only such weight wasn’t attributed to the result. It’s a bit like covid deaths! Or excess mortality. There’s plenty of room for mischief.
        
        Rodney
        
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        July 6, 2023 9:46am
    - Ignoranus
      
      $40 buys James Renwick’s new book: Under the Weather.
      
      It’s a simple yet masterly explanation of global warming.
      
      You should try to understand why every scientific institution on the planet endorses the consensus as presented by the IPCC.
      
      And why you are wrong.
      
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      July 6, 2023 9:47am
      - Rodney Hide
        
        I have studied climate change for 32 years with a passing interest before that. The entire time I have been eager to discover I was wrong. It was James Renwick who told me there were hundreds of testable hypotheses.
        
        Why would I spend 40 dollars and read a book by a guy who doesn’t know what science is?
        
        Instead of telling me to read a book, how about telling me what possible fact would prove to you mankind is not causing catastrophic warming. That’s not hard. I can think of several.
        
        Rodney
        
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        July 6, 2023 10:20am
      - sirknz
        
        You should try to understand why every scientific institution on the planet endorses the consensus as presented by the IPCC.
        —————————
        It can be summed up as “dolla’ dolla’ bills y’all”.
        
        More specifically, taxpayer funding to come up with the correct viewpoints to get you more taxpayer money.
        
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        July 6, 2023 10:34am
      - Bullion
        
        Rodney its basic physics. Scientists knew of the effect certain gases have on trapping heat for more than a century, and more than a century ago suggested the release of greenhouse gases, specifically CO2, would have an impact on the climate.
        
        CO2 molecules absorb infrared light at a few wavelengths, but the most important absorption is light of about 15 microns … Incoming light from the sun tends to have much shorter wavelengths than this, so CO2 doesn’t stop this sunlight from warming the Earth in the first place. But when the Earth re-emits this light, it has a longer wavelength, in the infrared spectrum.
        
        https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/how-do-greenhouse-gases-trap-heat-atmosphere
        
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        July 6, 2023 11:26am
      - kowtow
        
        Endorsing a consensus is not scientific.
        
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        July 6, 2023 12:29pm
      - Bullion
        
        Being contrarian is not scientific either
        
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        July 6, 2023 12:59pm
      - Rodney Hide
        
        Hi Bullion
        
        I am pleased it’s basic physics to you. Would you care to recast John Tyndall’s 1859 experiment identifying the opacity of the greenhouse gases to heat in terms of quantum mechanics? That is to say, what was he actually measuring and what is the difference between a ghg and a non ghg in quantum terms?
        
        Rodney
        
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        July 6, 2023 1:23pm
      - Bullion
        
        I don’t think you nor I need to understand it down quantum mechanics. Fine to know that some gases are transparent to radiant heat while other gases are quite opaque.
        
        What Tyndall had demonstrated unambiguously, and indeed for the first time, was the absorption and radiation by certain gases of what we now call long-wave infrared radiation. He had demonstrated the physical basis of the greenhouse effect. And he knew what he had shown. He wrote: “Thus the atmosphere admits of the entrance of solar heat; but checks its exit, and the result is a tendency to accumulate heat at the surface of the planet”.
        
        He also realised the implications for understanding climate, writing: “if, as the above experiments indicate, the chief influence be exercised by aqueous vapour, every variation of this constituent must produce a change of climate. Similar remarks would apply to the carbonic acid [carbon dioxide] diffused through the air”. And he went on: “Such changes may in fact have produced all the mutations of climate which the researches of geologists reveal”.
        …
        What is clear is that our understanding of the greenhouse effect, its mechanism, and its implications, rest on many shoulders. That history includes Fourier, Pouillet, Foote and Tyndall, in addition to Svante Arrhenius, who calculated in 1896 the temperature rise in the atmosphere that would be caused by a doubling of carbon dioxide levels, and Guy Callendar, who showed in 1938 that human activity was responsible for increasing carbon dioxide levels, and hence of potential climate change.
        
        https://www.rigb.org/explore-science/explore/blog/who-discovered-greenhouse-effect
        
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        July 6, 2023 4:02pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I’m guessing you believed the ‘experts’ when they said 80,000 people would die in NZ from covid……
        
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        July 6, 2023 6:07pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ignoranus they support the alarmist “consensus” in the same way Disney pushes trans stuff and people generally don’t resist woke garbage in their work environment. They fear the woke cancel complex. Being jobless and friendless sucks.
        
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        July 6, 2023 11:06pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Bullion what’s missing in your understanding is that there is an inverse logarithmic relationship between rising Co2 levels and the green house effect. The absorption bands are mostly saturated already. As a result Co2 has a minimal effect on the greenhouse effect now. This affects the sensitivity of the climate to rising Co2. Numerous papers show low sensitivity of the climate to rising Co2. Alarmists just try to smear those presenting these totally valid scientific findings. That smearing is deeply pathetic and endangers scientific progress.
        
        See recent paper by Happer et al on Co2 absorbtion bands.
        
        Happer explaining the concept here:
        https://vimeo.com/128317908
        Many truth bombs therein also.
        
        Here’s another bunch of truth bombs that should get inquiring minds digging:
        THE GREAT GLOBAL WARMING SWINDLE:
        https://rumble.com/v2t3pys-the-great-global-warming-swindle-great-business.html
        
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        July 6, 2023 11:32pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Then 1 July cold as charity
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:07am
  - cmm
    
    Based on my dealings with them, you have to be an activist to join NIWA.
    
    Activists are no longer effective scientists, IMHO.
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:11am
    - OlderChas
      
      Is there anyone working at NIWA who has a kiwi accent? Or is it just that the imported ones like being on the telly more?
      
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      July 6, 2023 10:26am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Lucky them.
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:44am
  - mogg
    
    Read Ian Wishart for more fact based information.
    
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    July 6, 2023 10:44am
    - Don Beckett
      
      …..and Tony Heller at Realclimatescience.com
      
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      July 6, 2023 1:19pm
- herb1
  
  Of course. How many temperature gauges and where they’re placed will be the thing. Easy to change temp up or down simply by shifting gushes or placing more in certain areas
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:17am
  - kowtow
    
    or whatever ‘compensating” they factor in.
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:30am
  - Rodney Hide
    
    Or their decimal point with some old guy wandering out each morning and recording a mercury thermometer!
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:48am
    - RoboRob
      
      My understanding is that at least one thermometer used in CHCH is / was in a little box in the Gardens. Asside from the older ones being mercury based, we know that the temperatures under trees change. Who knows over the years when and what trees grew over the gauges. Were the gauges moved over the years, I believe that some were moved to the airport recently.
      
      Not saying the figures are wrong BUT due to technology and placement of gauges much of the historical data might need to be taken with a grain of salt.
      
      I might also add that you cant take temperature in isolation. It is warmer when it is wet and cloudy. June 2023 was significantly wetter and more overcast then June 2022.
      
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      July 6, 2023 10:02am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        OK I didn’t intend to set off a drama by my observation that Christchurch had a notably mild June.
        
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        July 6, 2023 10:40am
      - Rodney Hide
        
        Benedict
        
        Everything is political! Even saying, it’s warm isn’t it?
        
        Rodney
        
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        July 6, 2023 10:49am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes clearly. I will never again observe that it is unseasonably warm in Christchurch 😂
        
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        July 6, 2023 12:39pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        It’s OK Benedict – its the same in Tauranga. It has been the wettest June – and summer so far – that I have experienced in this region. Apart from 10 years in Oz, I have lived here all my life. I’m not surprised with the claim that it is the warmest June in history since RECORDS BEGAN IN 1979, as TVI breathlessly announced.
        But its not the warmest June in history. Get hold of undoctored reports for 1934 and you will see what I mean. Or for that matter, scientific reports from the Roman period & Medieval Warm period.
        
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        July 6, 2023 1:24pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        It’s unseasonally cold in the top of the north island. Does that mean the climate is cooling? Asking for a friend……!
        
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        July 6, 2023 6:09pm
    - gravedodger
      
      Does he actually have to be “Old” Rodney?
      
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      July 6, 2023 4:38pm
- G152
  
  Hey give them a break.
  It takes a great amount of time looking for those heat sinks and recording them as a usual event.
  Time to go back to recording temps at airfields.
  And quitting the global warming BS
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:26am
  - kowtow
    
    Airfields.
    
    Not that long ago most were just that , fields .
    
    Now they’re huge expanses of concrete , tar and glass within city limits .
    
    So the “science” can and will make adjustments to “compensate” or just to “hide the decline”.
    
    Either way , just like our proposed science curriculum it’s not about the science it’s pure ideology.
    
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    July 6, 2023 8:35am
    - G152
      
      Temps are taken in a large wooded white slatted box on grass near the tower. From the start until now
      
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      July 6, 2023 11:04am
      - JohnRidd
        
        HI G152.
        
        The large wooded white slatted box is called a Stevenson screen. A hundred years ago they were whitewashed. About 50 years ago they started painting them. The paint absorbs and radiates differently to the whitewash so the temperatures measured are slightly higher. Anthony Watts did an experiment which showed this.
        
        Also, about the same time, the Stevenson screen size was reduced from about 200 litres to 60 litres.
        Guess what, the temperatures went up.
        
        To make matters worse, at the end of the 20th century they started using electronic Minimum Maximum Temperature Sensors. (MMTS)
        Because these had an underground wire to the building where the computer was located, they were often located close to buildings. This causes a small heat island effect and so the temperatures being measured are higher.
        
        Then there is the fact that the electronic recordings take a reading every second which causes temperatures to be higher than when using a mercury thermometer.
        
        The point is that the way that temperatures are measured has changed over time in ways that always increase the temperature being recorded.
        
        And that is before you try to take into account the Urban Heat Island effect.
        
        None of these have been properly accounted for in the official temperature record which means the claims of “warmest ever” need to be taken with a truckload of salt.
        
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        July 6, 2023 2:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Moving the thermometer closer to the arse of a 757?
  Where are these weather recorders?
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:47am
  - imalwaysright
    
    If it was an RNZAF 757 the best place would be on the tailpipe.
    
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    July 6, 2023 10:05am
Tony Stuart

We reach a significant milestone today. In 100 days the polls will close, and we will have a change of government.

Bring it on!
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July 6, 2023 8:17am
- pdm
  
  You are ever the optimist Inv but I sure hope you are right.
  
  Is it today the Taxpayers Union Curia Poll is out? Hopefully that will put things in better perspective than the Roy Morgan one the other day did.
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:21am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    TPU usually on the 6th of the month unless it’s the weekend, the last TPU poll showed Morgan to be absolute bullshit
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:09am
    - kevn
      
      @G… I’ll go with Bob Jones summary. Much more accurate. Talk around your mates to confirm.
      https://nopunchespulled.com/2023/07/03/the-political-polls/#more-5197
      
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      July 6, 2023 9:44am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Is this the same Bob Jones that said Nats would waltz in last election?
        
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        July 6, 2023 10:31am
Bridgenag

From an Australian post
“I describe the covid-products as “gene-vaccines”, because they are.
It’s obvious and factual: both the mRNA products (eg: Pfizer), and the DNA products (eg: AstraZeneca), insert a genetic sequence into your cells instructing them to express an uncontrolled amount of non-human spike protein from the covid-19 virus.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/lettersfromaustralia/p/people-who-cant-use-a-spell-check?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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July 6, 2023 8:21am
Bridgenag

People who can’t use a spell check or safety test gene-vaccines want to control everything you can see, hear or say online
The biggest threat to your safety is Permanent Canberra’s internet power grab. They want to own “truth” then silence what they don’t like as “misinformation”. You can say no – but not for long

“The WEF represents the world’s 1000 biggest corporations who want a “fourth industrial revolution” to sideline participatory democracy so they can govern you through technology, using the state for muscle.
You won’t know where the corporation ends and the government begins. Technological corporatism. In other words, “fascism”. The WEF is international fascism, pretending to be philanthropy.
They appoint people. They are stakeholders with a voice. They have public-private partnerships and secret contracts. You have only one vote.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/lettersfromaustralia/p/people-who-cant-use-a-spell-check?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 6, 2023 8:23am
Scooter

At the other end of crime, a Rolls Royce worth $850k was stolen from an address in Glen Eden after the owners went out for takeaways (any bets KFC?). Any guess as to what social (crime) group both parties belong to?
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July 6, 2023 8:24am
- Cassandra
  
  Owned by drug dealer, borrowed by Kings College boy who thought it was his uncles. No?
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:34am
  - kevn
    
    @Cassandra… Owners were/are business people from India.
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:45am
- cmm
  
  OK, it’s one thing buying $40k Harleys, but you’d need to shift a lot of P to buy a Roller.
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:13am
- Peter Lane
  
  The owner originates from India.
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:31am
Jack5

The severity of the crisis in NZ’s health system is spelled out in a Common Room video by Ian Powell, former executive director of the Association of Salaried Specialilsts:

https://youtu.be/VYBcqh7nh-c
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July 6, 2023 8:25am
- mawm
  
  If I recall correctly, Ian Powell has been identifying the shortages in healthcare providers for many years.
  
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  July 6, 2023 2:08pm
G152

Isnt a poll a hornless bull ?
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July 6, 2023 8:27am
- igm
  
  That would be a bit beyond some of the usual Labour/Green supporting townies that troll this blog.
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:07am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Poll Dorset is a sheep !
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:10am
  - pdm
    
    G Polled Angus is a cattle beast.
    
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    July 6, 2023 11:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, I was taking the piss
      
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      July 6, 2023 8:26pm
Maggie Pie

From $tuffed….

I suggested ‘Sunflower seeds soaked in Round-Up’ but the reply was deleted.

https://neighbourly.co.nz/public/auckland/ellerslie/message/70112629
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July 6, 2023 8:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Only need two things. Axe and oven.
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:56am
  - pdm
    
    Or a Shotgun – could be a bit risky in the `big smoke’ though.
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:20am
    - I remember when
      
      pdm:
      
      Employment opportunity for local gang members
      
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      July 6, 2023 12:04pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    They are not bad eating. Need tenderised well before cooking though.
    Neighbour had a few and they were a nightmare. Shit everywhere.
    
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    July 6, 2023 6:23pm
- JohnRidd
  
  Hi Maggie Pie.
  
  That wouldn’t work.
  
  Roundup isn’t very toxic.
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:30am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I’m aware of at least 2 Pigeons that would beg to differ.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    July 6, 2023 11:34am
kowtow

To great te media pardy fanfare this regime announced a Royal Commission into treatment of children in state care.

Yesterday we learn that staff at a Ministry of Children facility film them bashing the shit out of each other with other staff present .

Under the same regime.

Where’s the outrage.
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July 6, 2023 8:41am
- RoboRob
  
  This stuff is all a sham. Investigation into state care & new plans to increase medical staffing issues. Nothing (positive) done over 6yrs and labour announce theys plans 100 days from an election. In time for them to say, all under control and we just know how good Labour are at actual implementation.
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:07am
- Ra Henare
  
  The video suggests they were “robust” teenagers.
  
  Let the little scrots bash each other.
  
  In another world they would be in a gym boxing ring doing the same stuff.
  
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  July 6, 2023 6:28pm
Jack5

An economic threat more immediate than any climate effects is receiving scant attention.

This is an international business debt market that spiralled to $US1.5 trillion.

Reuters reports on the collaterised loan obligations market, which packages debts of weak companies and markets them as as CLO bonds.

The market is drying up as interest rates rise, the news agency reports.

“S&P Global estimates that more than one in 25 U.S. businesses and almost one in 25 European companies will default by March 2024,” the article says.

“U.S. companies with speculative credit ratings, who dominate global CLO loan pools, need to refinance around $US354 billion of debts by end-2024, then a further $US813 billion in 2025 to 2026, S&P estimates.”

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/why-15-trillion-source-corporate-financing-is-choking-higher-rates-2023-07-05/

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July 6, 2023 8:41am
Maggie Pie

Willie Jackson determined to keep us in the dark by censoring what we can see and read….

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/jackson-defiant-as-meta-google-pull-news-in-canada

Roll on Oct 14 – we need to show these reprobates the door!
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July 6, 2023 9:04am
- pdm
  
  Maggie
  
  He is a shifty customer is `little Willie.@
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:22am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/uk/300921908/ai-girlfriend-told-crossbow-intruder-to-kill-queen-elizabeth-at-windsor-castle
So this guy was in a “sexual relationship “ with his AI chatbot girlfriend who, when asked, assured him he was not delusional or mad.
He was planning to assassinate HM Queen Elizabeth with a crossbow but needed to talk it over and get advice from Sarai about what to do.
Jeez, you learn something everyday – who knew you could be in a “sexual relationship “ with a chat bot and that your AI partner could give you advice about killing someone?
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July 6, 2023 9:09am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I would suggest the bloke was having a sexual relationship with Mrs Palmer and her five daughters…
  
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  July 6, 2023 1:32pm
Warren

Labour would have you believe they are the kindness and caring Party in history
but many stories over the last six years will contradict that and here is one story to back my claim up.
Elderly 81 year old woman in agony waited a year for surgery only for it to be canceled while she sat in the waiting room.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/elderly-womans-surgery-one-of-four-cancelled-in-one-day-at-wellington-hospital-as-health-sector-pressure-builds/RHQJ2CLP4VF57F2BTWQIVLQF4I/
That what happens nowadays we you have to give up to others because of the colour of your skin.
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July 6, 2023 9:21am
- kowtow
  
  Look on the bright side.
  
  The neighbourhood goats are safe .
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:54am
- SoloView
  
  @ Warren
  “That what happens nowadays we you have to give up to others because of the colour of your skin”
  
  Help me please.
  Where does the link you’ve provided mention of anything to do with racial profiling?
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:55am
- Ghost
  
  It happens, what does skin colour have to do with it? She was in the hospital waiting for the operation and usually when that happens it is because an accident or an emergency case has needed the theatre. Can also happen due to staff illness/shortages. The waiting time for the op also isn’t because of what ever her skin colour is, it is because the health system is screwed still from the Covid shutdowns of the hospitals and the staff fired or quitting.
  
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  July 6, 2023 11:02am
  - wsk12345
    
    It’s bc the health system is screwed AND if you’re white and the others waiting the same day are Maori then bad luck.
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:35pm
Bridgenag

Dissent, Science and Scotland
In conversation with Professor Richard Ennos

https://open.substack.com/pub/thenewera/p/dissent-science-and-scotland?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Same thing happening here with Julian Batchelor
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July 6, 2023 9:29am
I remember when

Five youths aged 11 to 14 arrested after Napier Dairy ram raid: HB Today.
The Manna Dairy on Marine Parade was broken into during the early hours of Tuesday morning.
The youths were caught after their stolen car was spiked.
The dairy owner fears for family’s safety after the ram raid smashed into his store only days after glass repaired from earlier burglary.
This time he lost ice cream, chips and soft drinks, but previously he has had $10,000 worth of vapes stolen.
He says no insurance company wants to cover him because of continuous burglaries.
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July 6, 2023 9:33am
- Colville
  
  $10 K of vapes… Oh yeah sure mate.
  
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  July 6, 2023 12:42pm
Matt Long

Unilever Ben and Jerry’s continues the wokeness. Comments, Why don’t YOU, Ben and Jerry’s, give all your stolen land back in USA.
Are there people in politics associated with Unilever in New Zealand,I wonder…
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/ben-jerrys-gets-bud-light-treatment-claiming-us-sits-stolen-indigenous-land-july-4
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July 6, 2023 9:35am
Inandout

If there still are people out there who believe the Biden administration is squeaky clean then I am wordless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHeoi7WcuvA

Why can’t we have public servants of that calibre?
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July 6, 2023 9:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Seems Air Force 2 was being used by Hunter, with Daddy being there too.
  
  https://rantsofizzo.com/dominick/a-19-point-time-line-of-joe-bidens-infamous-links-to-the-family-business/
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:06am
Matt Long

Plenty of jokes about dangerous white powder found in White House
https://www.foxnews.com/media/media-jokes-about-cocaine-found-in-white-house-cnn-anchor-seeks-blow-by-blow-probe
Meanwhile DeNiro’s grandson joins the ranks of addicts killed by fentynal.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/us-celebrity-news/breaking-robert-de-niros-grandsons-30376436
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July 6, 2023 9:41am
- Inandout
  
  Matt, I wonder if de niro’s thoughts have changed since this stage appearance?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zNr8Pf1QkY
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:58am
  - mawm
    
    He’s a rabid anti Trumper and incapable of rational thought.
    
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    July 6, 2023 2:15pm
Matt Long

Socialists the world over doing the same great job with crime
https://www.foxnews.com/us/bat-wielding-kids-attack-san-francisco-moms-nannies-outside-school-wealthy-neighborhood
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July 6, 2023 9:44am
- Matt Long
  
  Power security
  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/top-republicans-raise-alarm-bidens-power-plant-regs-growing-risks-electric-reliability
  
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  July 6, 2023 9:46am
  - Matt Long
    
    Family relationships
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-shuts-down-question-unacknowledged-biden-granddaughter
    
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    July 6, 2023 9:47am
    - Matt Long
      
      Free speech.
      https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-praised-stunning-july-4-rebuke-biden-admin-big-tech-censorship-finally
      
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      July 6, 2023 9:48am
      - Matt Long
        
        But at least in the US of A parts of the judiciary are stopping collusion between socialist Government and Tech companies.
        https://www.foxnews.com/politics/officials-blocked-meeting-social-media-companies-first-amendment-ruling
        
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        July 6, 2023 9:56am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Vigilante time on it’s way. The same will happen in NZ.
  When law enforcement doesn’t do the job, others will step up and it rarely ends well.
  
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  July 6, 2023 6:30pm
Ignoranus

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July 6, 2023 10:02am
RoboRob

Got a good dose of Labour Adds in my letter box yesterday.

What a hoot. Chippies is labeled something like focusing on the basics and talks about how Labour are helping deal with cost of living issues. You know the problem they caused.

Then I get one from the local MP Sarah pallet, title Sarah gets things done. The multi page booklet talks about how she attended a meeting (organised by others) to discuss changing a pedestrian crossing. Work to be started on an undefined future date. Also how she championed a bill around ‘light polution’, also yet to be actioned.

Talk about an own goal. Sarah gets things done, except nothing she talks about has happened. Labour focused on the basics, except that the local MP is focused on the essential issue of ‘light pollution’.

You just cant make this shit up.
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July 6, 2023 10:14am
- Ghost
  
  Deal with cost of living? Be interesting to see what the petrol tax does to cost of living. Everything going up, power, food, rates, etc. The winter energy payments the pensioners have got are already gone on the increasing cost of living, food banks are experiencing much greater need. Just like Jacinda he lies and achieves the opposite of what he claims.
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:22am
  - mogg
    
    There is no problem that Labour can’t solve by throwing more money at it.
    With the ever rising govt debt, waiting for NZ credit downgrade from rating agencies. That will mean paying higher interest on our national debt.
    With the current 6.8% inflation, soon we will see people on minimum wage paying 30% tax bracket.
    Happy days!
    
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    July 6, 2023 2:43pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Is that the same Sarah that as an ex midwife tells us men can give birth?
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:58am
- alex Masterley
  
  I am not sure that on current polling Labour will hold Ilam both in terms of both the electorate vote and the party vote.
  
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  July 6, 2023 11:11am
  - RoboRob
    
    I would be absolutely stunned if they kept the Ilam electorate. Its not exactly a safe Labour seat!
    
    They only got it last time becuase
    
    a) people got ‘tired’ of Gerry Brownlee (1996-2020)
    b) Middle aged (and other) woman fell under the JA effect
    c) Covid
    
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    July 6, 2023 2:16pm
- pdm
  
  RR – I return them to sender as unsolicited mail with a bit of advice (no abuse) included.
  
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  July 6, 2023 11:44am
- I remember when
  
  ‘Sarah gets things done’ – next time.
  
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  July 6, 2023 12:01pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Is that the same Sarah Pallet who, as a midwife and lecturer in midwifery, believes that men can have babies? Thank goodness her tenure as an MP only has 100 days to run.
  
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  July 6, 2023 1:36pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Yup. Actually met her when she door knocked (take not National). Seemed quite a nice person.
    
    At that time she was standing for Envionment Canterbury. When that failed she stood for Labour.
    
    p.s. have NEVER voted for her.
    
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    July 6, 2023 2:18pm
- cmm
  
  I got that same delivery here in Ilam too.
  
  Chippie’s “getting hack to basics” shows him in a hard hat and safety vest standing on the tracks of the world’s tiniest excavator.
  
  I doubt he knows how to drive an excavator, but he’ll need a bigger one to get rid of Labour’s growing pile of bodies.
  
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  July 6, 2023 2:33pm
I remember when

The NZ Herald report on Auckland Dairy owner who has been raided 15 times.

Perhaps they need their own dedicated police officer.
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July 6, 2023 10:20am
- peterwn
  
  Police Officer would be at far more risk than if doing general policing (even in Manukau-Counties). Officer would need to have a Bushmaster.
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:41am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Probably better with an Uzi or a tactical shotgun.
    
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    July 6, 2023 6:56pm
- cmm
  
  How about just pepper spray?
  
  It’s beyond insane that decent people cannot protect themselves from scum.
  
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  July 6, 2023 2:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Juliam Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/great-crowd-turn-up-in-oamaru/

July 6 – Christchurch Tonight! 7pm
Scottish Society Hall on Caledonian Rd.
Corner of Caledonian and Edgeware Rds.
See you then! Be sure to invite friends and family.
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July 6, 2023 10:29am
Ghost

No surprise labour don’t give a stuff about nz business, especially farmers

The Government is being accused of sending mixed messages with its climate stance after it chose to install synthetic carpets from the US in rural schools instead of New Zealand wool.

A Government-funded initiative has chosen to install synthetic carpets in more than 800 small and remote schools throughout New Zealand.

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July 6, 2023 10:41am
- kevn
  
  @Ghost… Also begs the question about who might be ‘clipping the ticket’ as well.
  mahuta flooring inc?
  Don’t larf… anything goes at this stage, only 100 days to goodbye.
  
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  July 6, 2023 10:47am
- ClanMcleod
  
  NZ also makes an extensive range of good quality, synthetic carpet.
  Also wool is not nearly as ‘green’ vs synthetic as most people believe. It’s a nice myth. Though wool does have better wear qualities and is easier to clean in most instances. Synthetic is more stain resistant.
  
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  July 6, 2023 6:33pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Not Green at all
  
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  July 6, 2023 7:04pm
I remember when

The major bridge damaged by Cyclone Gabrielle on the Tutaekuri River is programmed to re-open by the end of July.
The Hastings District Council hopes that a temporary two-lane Redclyffe bridge, at Waiohiki, will be ready by the end of July.
Just over five months after Cyclone Gabrielle, having being delayed because of further bad weather from the original end of June date.
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July 6, 2023 10:47am
- Colville
  
  Still no announcement on redzone payouts tho…
  
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  July 6, 2023 12:45pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Bros of the Banana Republic of New Zealand – Listen carefully. Along with thousands of Kiwibloggers, there is one more guy who will end up with egg on their face on election night. That is Mike Hosking. He predicts – “So, my call is: National 38-42 per cent; Act 12-15 per cent, an easy election-night victory; Labour 29-32 per cent; Greens 6-7 per cent.”

Best joke of the day. Cleare majority for Labour-Toxic Greens and TPM on election night. National under Luxon will never ever cross 35%. Luxon is dragging National down for sure.
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July 6, 2023 10:52am
- I remember when
  
  It only took 8 weeks for Jacindamania to work.
  Too early to say?
  Mike Hosking, Bob Jones, the list grows.
  
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  July 6, 2023 11:58am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I am pleased you have time for satire when the future of the nation is at stake.
  
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  July 6, 2023 12:42pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Benedict – That includes my future also. I am trying to set the expectations right. Otherwise there will be many broken hearts on October 14th night. If you start to accept the fact that majority of the sheeple of this country want the country to go to dogs, then you can be peaceful on October 14th night when the results stat to come in and Marama Davidson starts to dance on the podium.
    
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    July 6, 2023 2:46pm
pdm

Interesting – I have just had a call from someone at Parliament asking if I still wanted to submit personally on my submission re 3/5/All/Affordable Waters. As si=ubmissions are by zoom or similar I declined – it is not my thing. I mad it clear that I would have done so `face to face’ had they come to Hawkes Bay.

When I asked if this lot of submissions would be discarded and ignored as Mahuta did with the first tranche I was assured that all submissions would be read and considered this time.

Easy to say I guess but maybe this time we will be heard.
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July 6, 2023 10:53am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-confused-by-parades-where-everyone-keeps-their-clothes-on-and-doesnt-swing-sex-toys-around
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July 6, 2023 11:18am
- I remember when
  
  Everyone gets to have a say – except the majority.
  
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  July 6, 2023 11:54am
mandk

Evidently, my fondness for bacon sandwiches and a nightly glass of wine is dangerous.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-drink/300922013/the-foods-that-cancer-experts-want-you-to-stop-eating

Just as well I can continue to enjoy cigars and the occasional line of cocaine //
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July 6, 2023 11:20am
- Jack5
  
  You’re not Bob Jones, are you MandK? 🙃
  
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  July 6, 2023 2:09pm
  - mandk
    
    No. I think Sir Bob is a pipe smoker.
    
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    July 6, 2023 3:15pm
- Ra Henare
  
  This assumes commercial Bacon bathed in chemicals to extend shelf life.
  
  My bacon is bathed in salt then hung in manuka smoke before being sliced.
  So take all this Media hype about cancer with a grain of…..salt..
  
  Cant put my hands on it. But another study puts bacon in the 5 great foods to have for breakfast (eggs #1)
  
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  July 6, 2023 7:02pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Anyone know if Dame Cindy’s bestie, the convicted Czech drug smuggler Karel Sroubek, has actually been deported yet?

Last we heard he was due to go in March, after the Immigration & Protection Tribunal found…’it would be against the public interest to allow him to stay in New Zealand’

Since then – crickets (?)
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July 6, 2023 11:28am
- Ehlana
  
  I can think of some other besties of Cindy’s whose continued presence in NZ is against the public interest.
  
  Perhaps those Air Force planes could drop them all off in one go?
  
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  July 6, 2023 1:33pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Of course he will still be here.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/czech-drug-smuggler-and-former-kickboxing-champ-karel-sroubek-can-remain-in-nz-pending-last-ditch-appeal-bid-despite-deportation-decision/HHQOL2NRSVCKBMIZSWQ57TNPKQ/
  
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  July 6, 2023 1:51pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    OH WOW…thx Bobba don’t know hoe I missed that!
    Honestly, you really really have to wonder eh?
    
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    July 6, 2023 2:30pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Some people really can’t take a hint
      
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      July 6, 2023 7:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump having fun.

https://2024conservative.com/watch-trump-trolls-desantiss-big-announcement/
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July 6, 2023 11:51am
I remember when

Professor Andrea Alfaro, AUT researcher, about her trip to China.
She was bussed along the coast for about three hours, during which time every bit of ocean she saw out of the window contained cages for growing abalone.
It was farms as far as the eye could see.
Imagine a NZ mussel farm, multiplied by hundreds and hundreds.
For every abalone farm she saw there were also hectares of seaweed farms to feed them.
She also saw massive cargo ships – ‘hollow and like giant swimming pools’ – filled with more abalone farms.
One of these ships is said to produce NZ’s total annual production.

She didn’t mention how many Greenpeace, Sea Shepherd, Legasea protesters she saw – or even local tourism operators.

Still it’s great to operate on an even playing field!
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July 6, 2023 11:52am
- Jack5
  
  Are they farming paua in China, poster I remember when?
  
  We are farming paua in NZ as blue abalone (see link bel0w).
  
  Maori regard this as a “treasure”. If China is also farming paua, are Maori happy about this?
  
  (Moana NZ in the link below is owned, via Aotearoa Fisheries, by several tribes, including Ngapuhi, Ngati Porou, and Ngai Tahu.)
  
  https://moana.co.nz/robots.txt
  
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  July 6, 2023 2:18pm
  - I remember when
    
    Farming kaimoana: what paua can teach us about sustainable exports: Stuff 22 June 2023.
    
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    July 6, 2023 3:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Greenpeace, Sea Shepherd, Legasea protesters might be disappeared.
  
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  July 6, 2023 3:12pm
Jethrod

Can anyone tell me if a Maorl voter changes from the Maori roll to the General roll (or vice versa) if there is any checks and balances done to ensure that they don’t end up on two rolls and consider they have 2 votes?
I can just see in November of this year hu dress of votes being pluralised and another gerrymandering of the poll.
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July 6, 2023 11:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/newsletter
Use ‘The Update” tab.

Kieran McAnulty on 3 Waters.
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July 6, 2023 11:57am
- Blog-aholic
  
  McAnutly is a rabid socialist and considers democracy a barrier to his ideology.
  
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  July 6, 2023 12:14pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You are so kind.
    
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    July 6, 2023 3:13pm
  - kowtow
    
    ‘McAnutly ‘
    
    That’s a worse placed “t” than the t in Luxton……
    
    Mind you the letters in McAnulty could lead to some interesting anagram games.
    
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    July 6, 2023 5:14pm
Maggie Pie

Must admit to being guilty of something very similar at Tindalls once 😎

https://tiktok.com/@queensyko/video/7252268090623446318
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July 6, 2023 12:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Play school TV1 did not get a chance to edit that.//
  
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  July 6, 2023 3:15pm
Lee C

Was covid exploited for political ends?
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https://youtu.be/PJ6Wi29s3-A
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July 6, 2023 12:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ask Jaspinda. Oh, wait. Does anyone have her phone number?
  Is she using a burner phone once a week?
  
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  July 6, 2023 3:24pm
Jack5

China has become the big player in the world market for nickel, critical for making electric-car batteries, by improving a metal refining process and investing in Indonesia.

Five years ago, Indonesia had no nickel plants, now they are being built rapidlly.

The Wall Street Journal says nickel ore in Indonesia, laterite, had been difficult to process. The Chinese adapted a process around for a long time but regarded as flawed and difficult. With what the newspaper describes as “tweaks,” China found a way to make the process, HPAL – high pressure acid leach, work economically.

This has given China dominance of the Indonesian nickel industry, and Indonesia has moved being a marginal supplier of nickel for car batteries in 2017 to accounting for half the world supply last year.
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July 6, 2023 12:26pm
goNZ1

Five vehicles were used to ramraid and drive around a Thames shopping mall in the early hours to Thursday morning.
Obviously its all too much for the cops, so time to get the Army involved in patrols at night around retail with orders to shoot on sight,dont waste time on car chases either
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July 6, 2023 12:32pm
- Ghost
  
  Police responded when alerted to the security alarms, what mote could they do?
  
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  July 6, 2023 12:43pm
  - cmm
    
    What does “respond” mean?
    
    Clearly not enough if the scrotes think is makes sense to do it all again the next night.
    
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    July 6, 2023 2:26pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Or day.
      Thames, my Parents lived there too. One druggy stole a triumph herald, cut the roof off, welded the doors shut, painted number “13′ upside down on both orange doors, and drove it like that for months.
      The Police always watched me in the V8 Sandman though, mainly because of that 350 sound.
      
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      July 6, 2023 3:55pm
      - Individual Responsibility
        
        Steve Otto – anyone who owned/drove a Sandman in the day is a hero. Interesting to see if anyone, (apart, possibly, from SWIFTY) even knows what a Sandman was?
        
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        July 6, 2023 5:21pm
      - Individual Responsibility
        
        Steve Otto – further, you’d probably love the line in Steve Earl’s song Copperhead Road where he mentions the “rumbling sound” of the engine of the “Big Black Dodge bought an action at the Masons Lodge” then his “uncle and daddy pull that engine down”. What a great music clip, for, many, many reasons.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaEJzoaYZk&list=RDxvaEJzoaYZk&start_radio=1
        
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        July 6, 2023 5:35pm
Jack5

Asking for 5 million friends …

Has the country’s health mess – a shortage of 5000 nurses, hundreds, perhaps thousands of general-practice doctors and nurses – come about since the introduction of the MMP electoral system in 1996?

Bolger, Shipley, Clark, Key, English, Ardern, Hipkins ….

Successively, they were on the political bridge. Why didn’t they see the health iceberg looming ahead of the national ship?

Or is everyone focused on the political ship’s crew, and who will do what? Is everyone preoccupied with coalitions and polls about potential coalition members?
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July 6, 2023 12:35pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  The boomers retiring was always going to put strain on the system. Then add 400,000 immigrants in a 7 year period and ofcourse you have problems.
  
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  July 6, 2023 1:27pm
- NothingLeft
  
  It’s a consequence of economic mismanagement that sees NZ wages slipping behind the world, and mismanagement of health systems – various administrative and policy choices that has made the work increasingly unpleasant and unattractive compared to other opportunities available. A few months back I saw a forum thread with comments from a number of doctors saying they’d cut back on hours because of shitty conditions and high marginal tax rates. Why work more hours when govt takes 40+% ?
  
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  July 6, 2023 1:32pm
  - cmm
    
    Yup, we’re back to the stage where doctors will take a month off in summer to paint their own house because that’s what the accountant tells them to do.
    
    It’s not just doctors and nurses. It’s pretty much everyone. I know programmers who do the same thing.
    
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    July 6, 2023 2:25pm
- kevn
  
  @Jack5… That sounds as though you are letting the incompetent, wasteful incumbents off the hook.
  
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  July 6, 2023 5:09pm
Maggie Pie

‘Police Minister Ginny Andersen attacks New Zealand’s prison system, says it’s no place for Maori Offenders’

– Newshub

AND THIS….

“$930 million directly into the hands of Maori business is a game changer”

– Hon Willie Jackson (List MP) Minister for Maori Development.

>> Tell me again – when’s the 14th of October? SHEESH!!
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July 6, 2023 1:00pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Jackson is the Minister for his maori development.
  
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  July 6, 2023 1:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jackson is one of the Elite Maori who I talk about, regarding the Stop Co-Governance Movement. He is lobbies, and he don’t do that for nuffink.
    
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    July 6, 2023 3:58pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Prob just some Herald stock RR pic they have lifted into the story/clickbait..
  
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  July 6, 2023 3:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So you are not voting Greens then Maggie?
  Disappointed.//
  
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  July 6, 2023 3:56pm
Maggie Pie

Had to larf….

Heaps of tweets asking who can afford a brand new $850k Roller in Glen Eden?

As my partner was quik to point out when he saw the pic in The Horrid…. the number plate alone shows it’s about 12 years old. LOL!!
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July 6, 2023 1:18pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the male owner said insurance will cover any losses. Mmmm.
  
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  July 6, 2023 1:41pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    They’ve found it apparently….
    
    According to the owner one of the tyres is ruined. $15,000 for a new one.
    He needs to call my partner’s bestie Herb Morgan 😀
    
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    July 6, 2023 2:36pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      $530 for a Bridgstone AT 265/65 16 balanced and fitted, but Insurance is paying so just name the price + the return airfare to the Islands.
      
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      July 6, 2023 4:01pm
      - kevn
        
        @SteveO.. Don’t forget to add a damaged wheel and likely suspension issues from serious kerb mounting.
        I don’t imagine it will be a 16″ tyre, more like 20″-25″.
        
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        July 6, 2023 5:11pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        I think Rollers have their own special tyres, & they won’t be cheap.
        
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        July 6, 2023 7:11pm
- Albie
  
  The pic in the Ferald caption reads a car similar to the one shown, which is indeed not a 2023 model car. Why the useless buggers couldn’t cut and paste a 2023 model car from a RR brochure must come down to laziness which doesn’t surprise me.
  That aside, one has to wonder who would live on West Coast Rd Glen Eden if they can afford to purchase let alone maintain a late model Roller! I bit odd if you ask me.
  
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  July 6, 2023 4:18pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Maybe not all that odd afterall Albie.
    
    Went up to the Dairy earlier for a bottle of cream and got talking to Raj about it. He was saying he knows a number of wealthy Indian families that live over that way.
    A few of them own liquor stores and vape shops he reckons.
    
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    July 6, 2023 6:28pm
Swifty

“Taonga”, “genius”, “incredible”, “amazing”.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/132489588/rare-mori-sail-on-loan-from-british-museum-shows-genius-of-tpuna

Yawn. People have been weaving for thousands of years.

These folk need to get out more.
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July 6, 2023 4:10pm
Swifty

“The way to fix the housing crisis in NZ is to have lots more civil servants doing civil servanty things!”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/493244/commissioner-says-housing-should-be-recognised-as-a-human-right-calls-for-ombudsman

FFS.
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July 6, 2023 4:16pm
Maggie Pie

SFNS?

Just been reading a disturbing story in the UK’s Ipswich Star.

First thing I thort, if your surname was ‘Wiper’…why on earth would you name your son Richard?
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July 6, 2023 4:47pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Mr Sole did the same thing
  
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  July 6, 2023 7:12pm
Scooter

So the Chief Human Rights Commissioner Paul Hunt [Mod – please don’t]is reporting to the UN on NZ Govt’s failings with housing. I hope they laugh at him, has he seen the state of where some people live round the world?
Btw he looks a hell of a lot like Andy Warhol.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/493244/commissioner-says-housing-should-be-recognised-as-a-human-right-calls-for-ombudsman
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July 6, 2023 5:00pm
- Inandout
  
  Scooter, he is exactly the type those he thinks he represents consider him a soft touch liberal who wears the woke cloak and probably the big bone around his neck. He no doubt considers himself a trend setter.
  
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  July 6, 2023 5:28pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    He’s a failed retread from the Jeremy Corbyn wing of UK Labour. His knowledge of NZ is only skin-deep – and it shows.
    
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    July 6, 2023 7:16pm
- Prince
  
  At what age does having a house become a human right ? At birth ? At 16 ?
  Do we each get a house of our own or do we have to share?
  Can we choose the city ? The suburb ?
  Is there any benefit (pun intended) from working for a living ? Is food a right also ? Something to drink ?
  Does the State also have to feed my family ? My pets ? Mow my lawn ?
  
  So many rights. So few responsibilities.
  
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  July 6, 2023 8:50pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300914684/auckland-councillor-questions-emergency-review-which-could-have-helped-during-january-flooding
Why did this review take 4 years ? Pretty bloody obvious: no end date was stipulated and the committee stretched it out so they were paid millions more than they should have received.
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July 6, 2023 5:37pm
Ghost

Maori party’s first candidate to stand on general electorate

Freeloaders can “bugger off” and she’s sick of seeing people walking around Rotorua with “their bloody pyjamas on”.

But Merepeka Raukawa-Tait is worried the poor are being demonised and Rotorua is becoming a city of two halves: “Those who have and those who don’t.”

Raukawa-Tait believes the main political parties have failed Rotorua – including by selling off state housing, doing a “shoddy” job of assessing who legitimately needed emergency housing and draining Rotorua’s police and health resources with too many MIQ hotels.

Article
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July 6, 2023 6:56pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  She’s been a radical since forever.
  
  No solutions beyond taxpayer handouts.
  
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  July 6, 2023 7:17pm
Ghost

More popcorn news, involving nz?

Manitoba MP suggests Canada, allies aware of ‘recovered UAP’ or UFO materials in note to defence minister

A Manitoba member of Parliament wrote Canada’s minister of defence this spring suggesting the country has participated in a secret multi-nation program devoted to “the recovery and exploitation” of material from unidentified aerial phenomenon, more commonly known as unidentified flying objects or UFOs.

Last week, the podcast Weaponized published a letter that appears to be from Brandon-Souris MP Larry Maguire addressed to Defence Minister Anita Anand on March 22, 2023. Other copies appeared online weeks earlier.

Citing meetings with unnamed “American officials,” Maguire suggests Defence Research and Development Canada “is in possession of recovered UAP material.”

“As Minister of National Defence, you may not be aware [DRDC] has participated in efforts to analyze UAP,” reads a portion of the letter.

“It is incumbent your department inform you what collaborative efforts have occurred with our allies and the details of existing agreements and memorandum of understanding that govern the program and may have been co-ordinated through Global Affairs.”

The letter refers to a “Five Eyes Foreign Material Program” Maguire says exists between Canada, the U.S., U.K., Australia and New Zealand that has been sponsored by Canadian Forces Intelligence Command Canada.

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