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Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/08/swimming-transgender-swimmers-to-compete-in-new-open-category-at-world-cup-event.html

Thats a start. I would have called it the “get help” category but at least they are out of women’s swimming.

Now do women’s toilets and changing rooms… oh and all other sports.

Once these men lose the ability to be called woman the whole thing will disappear
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August 17, 2023 8:03am
- farbeyond
  
  “Once these men lose the ability to be called woman the whole thing will disappear”
  
  Not so sure about that, Opie. Although I share your view, Marxism has been shown to have an amazing capability to reinvent itself using new packaging.
  
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  August 17, 2023 9:20am
  - Opie
    
    And this from nz first:
    
    POLICY ANNOUNCEMENT: NO MEN IN WOMEN’S SPACES OR SPORTS
    
    New Zealand First policy is that the government has no business in the nation’s bedrooms. But for a government to allow biological men access to women and girl’s restrooms, changing rooms, and other safe places, goes against the commonsense and logic of the vast majority of kiwis.
    
    This entire debate is about finding the balance between fair inclusion and fairness for all. The minority liberal elite are trying to decide for all New Zealanders that the removal of women’s safety, privacy, and freedoms is an expected sacrifice for the elite’s woke ideological and social crusade.
    
    New Zealand First policy announcement:
    
    1. Public Bathrooms and Changing Rooms: We will pass legislation to ensure that all new public organisations that provide publicly used facilities, including in areas of sport, education or commercially, must provide separate, clearly demarcated, unisex and single sex bathrooms. In addition, all current provision of publicly used facilities will not allow anyone access to facilities which are designed for the opposite sex use.
    
    2. Public Funding for Sports: We will pass legislation to ensure any publicly funded sporting body that does not have an exclusive biological female category, where ordinarily appropriate, shall be immediately ineligible for any public funding.
    
    This is not about being ‘anti anyone’ or ‘anti anything’. This is about standing up for commonsense, safety, and fairness for everyone.
    
    Winston is making the most sense out of anyone. Unfortunately, he cannot be trusted to do anything that he says.
    
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    August 17, 2023 9:36am
    - dutyfree
      
      It meaningless. They will never be in a position to influence anything
      
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      August 17, 2023 10:34am
      - Colville
        
        This ^^^
        
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        August 17, 2023 11:00am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        While National and Act keep hiding from the covid disaster they are giving Peters more and more opportunities to actually surprise you.
        
        He’s hitting all the right buttons. I’ve been warning about this happening for quite some time now. Leave him political vaccums and he will fill them. Vacuums easily filled, but National and Act won’t touch them, especially covid.
        
        Bizarre doesn’t begin to describe it.
        
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        August 17, 2023 11:36am
      - dutyfree
        
        Sorry went to reply to clanmcleod and fat fingers hit report. Was not my intention
        
        Was going to say I agree with your vacuum statement but only desperate Labour will want to deal with him. So that will go nowhere.
        
        Even if he cuts a deal with National this will feature so far down the list of priorities it will never see the light of day.
        
        To those that worship him I say how did it work for you last time? How did that provincial growth fund work out for you? How has 6 years of Labour gone for you?
        
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        August 17, 2023 12:01pm
      - Overworked
        
        Especially since Nicola Willis refuses to take a position in favour of women and girls-only changing rooms and toilets. In fact, she was as slippery as Jacinda at her best.
        
        Interview with Sean Plunket, excerpt:
        https://twitter.com/theplatform_nz/status/1691605799037235680
        
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        August 17, 2023 2:36pm
    - KiwiSapper
      
      So Winston is going to cause every council to build a third lavatory and change room on every one of their “publicly used ” buildings for these misfits from Uranus.
      And perhaps also for every cafe / restaurant owner. Truncate your final sentence to “Winston cannot be trusted!”
      
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      August 17, 2023 10:56am
      - Ghost
        
        Most our public toilets including at the hospital are unisex,
        
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        August 17, 2023 11:04am
      - MiddleclassTrash
        
        Make all male toilets unisex by default. I don’t mind myself. Go Bloke not woke.
        
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        August 17, 2023 11:18am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Why would they need to build anything? These people have been with us forever. Presumably they have had to use toilets before. Or did they poop in the street???
        
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        August 17, 2023 11:38am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        4th lavatory, all buildings need a para toilet now plus male and female, many places like my work place will never have a para toilet, we won’t need a bender toilet either
        
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        August 17, 2023 12:09pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Bingo. The ideological imperatives and political tactics of Marxism are all contained within trans activism, as they are within the Green/Net Zero programme.
    
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    August 17, 2023 9:59am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      As was the medical apartheid during covid.
      
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      August 17, 2023 11:39am
      - Keith White
        
        Never Forgive.
        Never Forget.
        Peace Crimes Tribunals.
        
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        August 17, 2023 12:11pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  About time. This was the best compromise without simply excluding Trans people from sport.
  Now can be biological Male, Female and ‘other’.
  Can allow competition without playing into either delusions or impacting upon other athletes/competitors.
  
  The “A trans-woman was ALWAYS woman” {regardless of age of self-realisation or their genitals} groups will not be sated, but we can finally agree to ignore them.
  
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  August 17, 2023 9:45am
- graham
  
  It is indeed a start, but I will watch with interest to see how this progresses. To my mind it could easily go one of two ways:
  
  (a) The LGBT++ community will erupt in howls of outrage, screaming “Transphobia! Bigotry! Unfair!” as they bitterly complain that this is denying that transgender “women” are REAL women and how DARE they not be allowed to compete in Women’s events; or
  
  (b) Very gradually, little by little, common sense begins to reassert itself. More people and organisations will quietly come to the realisation that allowing biological men to compete in Women’s events at elite levels is nonsensical and will accept more of these moves.
  
  I hope it’s the second, but given the current atmosphere I honestly don’t know.
  
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  August 17, 2023 10:07am
- MiddleclassTrash
  
  It is an obscure point, but isn’t this “trans women are real woman” argument retrospective category application? I mean, when female sport bodies were started, it was for biological women only. There was no other category of woman at the time. Sports bodies pre 2000s are by definition segregated by biological sex.
  
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  August 17, 2023 11:27am
Simon

Distracted by GST on vegetables and fruit Wellington sold NZ out to Black Rock, woke capital and control. National front and centre in the selling out of NZ.

National Party leader Christopher Luxon says his party welcomes the Government’s announcement an American multinational investment company will invest $2 billion in a “first of its kind” climate infrastructure fund.

The Government and BlackRock will work together on the fund, which a Government statement said would accelerate green energy…

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/08/08/why-christopher-luxon-welcomes-the-govts-net-zero-fund/

A normal centre-right government the State of Florida sees the danger of Black Rock and woke capitalism and dumped them.

Florida pulls $2B worth of investments from BlackRock over ESG investment after DeSantis resolution
Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis announced on Thursday that the state’s government would divest $2 billion in investments under management by financial services company BlackRock due to the organization’s strengthening Environment, Social and Governance (ESG) standards.
“Whether stakeholder capitalism, or ESG standards, are being pushed by BlackRock for ideological reasons, or to develop social credit ratings, the effect is to avoid dealing with the messiness of democracy,” wrote Patronis in a statement

“I think it’s undemocratic of major asset managers to use their power to influence societal outcomes.”
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in August pushed through a resolution calling for the state to stop investing with ESG due to their “ideological agenda.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/3759466-florida-pulls-2b-worth-of-investments-from-blackrock-over-esg-investment-after-desantis-resolution/

You can look up what Black Rock pushes like digital currencies, social credit systems and control over populations because climate. National Party are the undemocratic problem selling out to anti-NZ ESG agenda.
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August 17, 2023 8:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I don’t really know much about this. Blackrock seems a bit shady.
  Blackrock are investing $2B into NZ. I think it is $2B of OUR money which we don’t even have.
  It’s like a student investing in the Stock Exchange with their student loan money.
  
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  August 17, 2023 9:40am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    My accountant tells me she upped her student loan to buy Xero shares at $1.00. She adds that she was upset when they dropped to 80 cents. They are now at AUD120.
    
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    August 17, 2023 10:00am
    - kisekiman
      
      XERO could go back to $0.80 again if they keep treating customers like idiots. The new reporting suite is a dogs breakfast compared to what it used to be. I loved XERO but am seriously considering a switch to another system.
      
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      August 17, 2023 11:03am
  - Paulus
    
    What return is New Zealand expected to give to BlackRock’s $2 billion investment ?
    12% would see a good starting point plus ownership shares.
    
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    August 17, 2023 1:26pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      This is what I mean about seeing he contracts, the deals, the documentation.
      The Public should see this as well as the Legal Beagles.
      Hey, is it secret? What about this free speech thing??
      
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      August 17, 2023 3:56pm
- Philview
  
  The Black Rock announcement didn’t come with much detail so no doubt the Government is hiding something. I wouldn’t be surprised if the NZ taxpayer is underwriting a nice return for US Investors but who knows.
  
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  August 17, 2023 11:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I would like to see the contracts.
    Is NZ borrowing $2B of our money for Blackrock to invest in NZ infrastructure and in the future Blackrock takes most of the profits. NZ pays back the $2B and makes nothing?
    With Labour and Ardern’s unannounced visit with Blackrock, there is some more screwing over of NZ.
    
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    August 17, 2023 11:43am
    - dutyfree
      
      It’s a fund. They raise capital from anyone. I don’t think this fund even has closed yet ie I think they are still raising money. It was an absolutely nothing announcement. $2bn for power station development is nothing. One large Windfarm has a total cost of $1bn. So even with gearing you are talking 5 or so over what will be say 5 to 10 years even with a fast track consent. They do t even have any sites I believe.
      
      It was voter click bait.
      
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      August 17, 2023 12:06pm
Tricati

Nothing shows Jenna Lynch’s abject bias, and distain for National, than the hit piece yesterday over National ‘may’ introduce allowance for foreign buyers back into the property market.
The original issue was a beat up by Labour as stats showed less that 3% of the housing market was sold to overseas interests, and usually at the high end of the market. But Lynch rushes of the Peters and David Parker for inflammatory comment to denigrate National.
All this on the day the parliament, through urgency, passed the shambolic RMA Act replacement and the ever-divisive 3/5 waters amendments.
Then to top the day off, on HDPA’s show she reported Robertson is looking to change the presentation pf the PREFU to show ‘likely’ savings (PREFU has always been a state of current books, not unrealised savings in the future). This after Robertson called in all the State Services CEO’s to find savings. Seems like bastardising any convention is no problem for Labour if it hides their total ineptitude, particularly running the economy.
Not a bloody word from Lynch on these, let alone the separatist co-governance aspects that have roundly panned from any rational thinking kiwi.
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August 17, 2023 8:06am
- redeye
  
  Did she mention the Greens spat with Kerekere?
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132757387/being-a-green-mp-is-like-competing-on-survivor-elizabeth-kerekere-says
  Because if this was happening to The National Party I imagine newshub would have dedicated the 1st 10 minutes of the news to it.
  
  Ex-Green MP Elizabeth Kerekere has levelled major criticism at her former co-leaders, saying they oversaw “an epic failure of leadership”.
  
  Green co-leaders James Shaw and Marama Davidson arrived to hear Kerekere’s valedictory speech on Wednesday, but her other former caucus colleagues chose not to attend. Green MP Golriz Ghahraman left the debating chamber a few minutes before Kerekere’s speech began.
  
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  August 17, 2023 9:23am
  - Ghost
    
    Newshub had an exclusive interview with her yesterday where she laid it out
    
    Article
    
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    August 17, 2023 9:33am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No mention of a certain Māori ministers conflicts.
    
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    August 17, 2023 12:17pm
- Weinerpoop
  
  Lynch is just awful, I really struggle to listen to her but I can only imagine how much worse Mutch-McKay would be on the other channel
  
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  August 17, 2023 11:20am
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t Lynch related closely to a senior political party apparatchik ?
    
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    August 17, 2023 1:29pm
    - Ghost
      
      She’s engaged to Andrew Ketels, acts Chief Of Staff
      
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      August 17, 2023 1:44pm
- Piniwi
  
  It seems to be a tag team effort as Mutch -McKay has her bias front and center in her comical looking article on One ewes.: Momentum counts and election clock is ticking
  Analysis: It’s coming to a crunch for Labour if they’re to stop National (and ACT) running away with the election, says Political Editor Jessica Mutch McKay.
  The next two weeks is do or die for Labour. If it can stay on course until the end of August it may be a close election but if it can’t re-seize momentum it’s all over and ACT and National will power ahead.
  Get the drift or see it all: https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/08/17/jessica-mutch-mckay-momentum-counts-and-election-clock-is-ticking/
  Interesting Peter Dunne says something similar but framed differently to the other token host (interviewer) on the AM show.
  
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  August 17, 2023 11:39am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They have been polling, and I would say they already have the results
    
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    August 17, 2023 12:18pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Luxon said he sees why houses should be left for NZers, this policy is for investment, what’s the vet they will be able to buy one house if they invest into a business above a certain level, or build a brand new subdivision giving them the opportunity to buy an old house to make way for that subdivision, these creeps clearly are losing the plot, Peters showing his usual vulgarity, time to lance this old bastard,he has showing again yesterday he can’t be trusted, and Nats still have not given their policy on investment
  
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  August 17, 2023 12:15pm
Matt Long

A little more home D for serious sex offenders, one victim “carved slut and freak into my thighs before counselling. This is the impact”.
The public shaming of the victims is amongst the worst aspect of this case, and there are two prominent men who should be on trial for that as well.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/08/judge-sentences-two-of-new-zealand-s-most-notorious-sexual-predators-to-home-detention.html
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August 17, 2023 8:06am
- cmm
  
  As shocking as this is, one must remember these were 16 and 17 year olds at the time of offending – not the 27 year olds who were in the dock.
  
  The NZ judicial system is broken for everyone if it takes 10 years to crank the handle here.
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:14am
  - Keith White
    
    But we’re regularly admonished by all the Correctly-Minded Elites that 16 year olds just *must* have Teh Vote; because they are so grownup, mature and responsible – and so they should have an adult-level say at that age.
    
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    August 17, 2023 8:36am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      That’s simply because the marxists know they will vote for them, especially if they keep letting them commit horrendous crimes with no consequences.
      
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      August 17, 2023 11:43am
- Tomtoddy
  
  The guys may have been 16 or 17 but they knew how to get booze, they knew how to threaten the girls to stay quiet, they knew how to film their activities, they knew they didn’t have to say or act remorseful, they knew judges are woke and hopeless, they knew they wouldn’t get named, they knew they would probably get sent home to watch porn and not go to jail. “Thanks, M’Lord. Sweet bro. All good”.
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:24am
  - Gravelroad
    
    “Cracked it”.
    
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    August 17, 2023 8:42am
- newview
  
  Tt agree. Judges in NZ have become little more than advocates for the accused. Victims are expendable and we must not over punish these guilty individuals because their business potential and personal lives may be affected !!. It’s mind blowing. The distinction made that these men are now ten years older and not of the same mentality as when the offences occurred is a crock. The victims are not the same people either but are still haunted by these rapists, and the rapists at 17 have the same potential to be rapists at 27 IMO. A sad indictment on our judicial system.
  
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  August 17, 2023 9:20am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Newview couldn’t agree more. Being a rapist isn’t a passing faze or something that someone grows out of
    
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    August 17, 2023 11:03am
- Bobba Fret
  
  And they are given permanent name suppression as being named “would cause them undue suffering and hardship!” Oh diddums. What about the hardship caused to the victims?
  
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  August 17, 2023 11:56am
Maggie Pie

“Labor rammed Three Waters through Parliament under urgency last night.

National will repeal it in our first 100 days”

– Dr Shane Reti
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August 17, 2023 8:08am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes, and will the Crown be able to retrieve all the money from the leaches already appointed to run the 10 entities that are not yet doing anything?
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:23am
  - greybeard
    
    No, they will have signed very lucrative redundancy agreements to cover themselves, knowing that the scheme would be cancelled.
    Hence the rush to get aboard all these troughs.
    
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    August 17, 2023 9:51am
- Paulus
  
  But a large number of top executives have already been appointed to the so called Three Waters – now Ten Waters, – so it will cost us a fortune to cancel their appointments as well – but it will be worth it.
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:30am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I doubt it will cost a fortune. If they are public servants they get 4 weeks notice.
    
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    August 17, 2023 8:52am
    - wsk12345
      
      Senior ones prob still get 3 months
      
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      August 17, 2023 9:21am
    - Cassandra
      
      And an expensive farewell + koha.
      
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      August 17, 2023 9:52am
      - John Loveridge
        
        $40,000 parties, that sort of thing.
        
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        August 17, 2023 10:25am
  - artemisia
    
    There will be a new government in October, one way or another. Couldn’t that government ‘adjust’ the outcomes required? Thing is, some of those appointees will have useful skills and experience. Why pay them the big bucks for no work?
    
    Let’s Undo This
    
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    August 17, 2023 8:56am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Yip, yip.
      
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      August 17, 2023 10:01am
    - Manu-Rau
      
      Actually, a new government could force them out without having to pay redundancies. The incoming Minister(s) simply have to give the current managers five working days to:
      
      1. Change the organisation’s name, and all online comms, to English.
      2. Remove all references to ToW from all current online comms; and publicly undertake to not mention ToW in any future comms.
      3. Publicly state that water in all its forms is conjointly owned by all NZers, regardless of their ethnicity.
      
      If the foregoing aren’t acceptable to one or more of the current troughers, move to:
      
      4. Resign on principle, with the understanding that there will be no redundancy payout. The Minister may make a payout of up to 5 days pay in lieu of redundancy.
      
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      August 18, 2023 2:05am
    - jgw739
      
      Good point. Shift these leeches sideways to an office at your local treatment plant. Nice new flax woven office, with matauranga style air conditioning (no glass windows). Big sign out front that less than two percent of kiwis can read. Salary deductions for the use of Latin/European script.
      
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      August 18, 2023 3:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All part of the Coup.
    
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    August 17, 2023 9:57am
- Yabster
  
  Yes that great but at what cost- the redundancy (no doubt written into the contracts) alone will be huge.
  
  Then theres the legal fees we will pay as taxpayers to Captain underpants’ mafia to take the Government to court- crazy yep.
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:49am
  - rockape
    
    Maybe all government contracts with CEOs and the like should expire 14 days after an election unless renewed by the incoming government.
    
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    August 17, 2023 9:55am
    - Inandout
      
      rock, I prefer the US system whereupon when a President leaves office the public servants attached to the office are discarded. The public servants in NZ are a power unto themselves.
      
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      August 17, 2023 11:05am
- Yvette
  
  While National and Act say they will repeal the three waters legislation, luxon does say they will keep the water regulator Taumata Arowao.
  The question is will they retain the Maori advisory council which presides over the water regulator – the council witches cheered by Tipa Mahuta
  And will they get rid of mana OTY statements which along with the advisory council represent Full governance – not just partial co-governance as it exists at the iEntity level
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:53am
  - Tricati
    
    Luxon/National have been very silent on what their views over the Mana o te Wai Statements, although they have said they will repel the legislation.
    The fact they haven’t come out and categorically stated they intend to dump the statements is a worry, as my concern they will allow something akin to the statements within the retained water regulator Taumata Arowao.
    I have contacted both Luxon and local National MP what National’s intention is and have had no response.
    
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    August 17, 2023 10:29am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      From the horses mouth…..
      
      The National Party opposes the co-governance of public services.
      
      New Zealand is a modern, multicultural society built on proud bicultural foundations. National believes in inclusiveness, unity and equality for all New Zealanders – and equality for all citizens under the law. We believe in one standard of democracy for all – one person, one vote.
      
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      August 17, 2023 12:01pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He has clearly stated it will be dumped, Nats and ACT both put out statements yesterday it will be gone
      
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      August 17, 2023 12:24pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He has clearly stated there will be no separatist services, I am sure that will go to bloody unrequired advisory group
    
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    August 17, 2023 12:23pm
- Handyman
  
  No need to wait 100 days.
  If it was passed under urgency, it can be repealed under urgency. 2 days tops.
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:58am
  - bjools
    
    The day the Governor General declares them the Govt.
    Call an emergency session, declare a National emergency to repair this mess , convene parliament for the whole summer, including Xmas Until all the ridiculous legislation is repealed.
    Then start with a clean slate, in January.
    
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    August 17, 2023 9:32am
    - jon
      
      BJ excellent comments. Also future House sittings need to be determined by what is good for the governance of this country, not by this user friendly nonsense of avoiding parliamentary sessions in the school holidays.
      
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      August 17, 2023 11:02am
      - Drone
        
        This happens because the majority of pollies are ex teachers and thus won’t change.
        
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        August 17, 2023 11:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    100 minutes should be enough.
    
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    August 17, 2023 9:54am
    - KiwiSapper
      
      The politicians did the approval of their superannuation scheme sneakily late one night in only a few minutes.
      
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      August 17, 2023 11:03am
  - Che Guava
    
    Completely agree. Get in there and govern from day one. Make as many changes as you can as quickly as possible. Why it would take up to 100 days is beyond me. Legislative shock and awe is the order of the day. Pass as many changes as possible, and half of them won’t even be noticed, such would be the weight of new law, or the repeal of existing ones. Then people can spend the Christmas holidays wondering what hit them, or alternatively, wondering why it took so long for the wind-back of so much disastrous law.
    
    Will this happen? Probably not (as someone like Wayne Mapp would argue, they “can’t” do such a thing. Why, I don’t know). Moreover, when you don’t have many foundational guiding principles, unlike Labour which has many (awful, but many), what themes are you going to base your legislative overhaul on? But this is what should happen, and it is what needs to happen.
    
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    August 17, 2023 11:46am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    With in a 100 days, there is procedure remember
    
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    August 17, 2023 12:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Tuku will be happy. He won’t be happy when it is all flushed down the toilet.
  
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  August 17, 2023 9:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Labour and the Green Party supported the Water Services Entities Amendment Bill, while National, ACT, and Te Pāti Māori opposed it.”
  Why would the maori party oppose it?
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/three-waters-amendment-bill-passes-third-reading/
  
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  August 17, 2023 9:59am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Because they think they have lost ownership
    
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    August 17, 2023 12:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  3rd reading last night.
  
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  August 17, 2023 10:52am
- Keith White
  
  That would be nice to believe, Maggie. And FWIW (which is what you paid for it, which is zero 🙂 ) I believe Dr Reti means well and believes what he is saying. But will it happen? I’m with Mercutio on this: “A plague on both your houses”.
  
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  August 17, 2023 3:29pm
In Vino Veritas

I watched a couple of Parliament questions. Luxon skewering Hipkins, and Bishop same to Jackson. Hipkins literally has nothing in response, and Jackson even less. It was just painful to watch. How has NZ sunk so low with regard to the quality of our Politicians?
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August 17, 2023 8:11am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Reason we have such low quality is that the Parties are now letting in people with v little world experience and that the list candidates are there at the pleasure of the party hierarchy and step out of line and no job for you at the next election.
  
  So we end up with people like the [Mod – use correct names]
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:58am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    The reason we have so many numpties entering parliament then using corrupt practices to avail themselves of our hard-earned, is our apathy.
    
    Never forget, we employ them and we can send them to the dole queue.
    
    But….. we’ll continue to suffer fools if we spend all our time complaining on kiwiblog, and none of our time and money advocating for change.
    
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    August 17, 2023 12:09pm
  - Paulus
    
    I expect to see when the National Party lists are ready that there will very few if any who have not had outside pure political experience and have had real jobs.
    That is the difference between Labour and National.
    
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    August 17, 2023 1:36pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    One reason for the low quality of our politicians is the “diversity uber alles” selection policy. If you favour diversity over competency, you will soon run into a crisis of competency. The present government is a case in point, but let’s not forget that Luxon has said “we want to be more diverse”. You need to be more evidence-driven and more competent, Chris – not more diverse.
    
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    August 17, 2023 6:34pm
- Guy Preston
  
  Wait, what??
  Hosking said this morning that Labour killed it during question time yesterday…
  
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  August 17, 2023 9:22am
- bjools
  
  It is simply, that they are ONLY Politicians, at best they are politicians.
  Ill equipped to do the JOB of governing and government.
  With no actual knowledge or acceptance that, that is the JOB they were put there to do.
  ie REPRESENT our best interests,
  NOT
  There own
  Champion various world causes
  Follow (or try to lead) the world in the implementation of dodgy theories.
  
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  August 17, 2023 9:38am
- Bob
  
  How has NZ sunk so low with regard t…….
  
  MMP Vino; the sole cause of most of our present economic and social problems
  
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  August 17, 2023 10:00am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  So Luxons not so bad in Q time then? I keep getting told by the usual subjects that he is crap
  
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  August 17, 2023 12:28pm
gorse

National need to repeal all legislation that was “rammed through” over the last few years, generally with proper consultation. A busy 100 days it would make.
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August 17, 2023 8:12am
All_on_Red

It did surprise me when the shooting charges against Alec Baldwin were dropped.
‘Special prosecutors dismissed an involuntary manslaughter charge ….saying they were informed the gun might have been modified before the shooting and malfunctioned.’

However, Ruh Roh for Alec
‘Prosecutors have received a second expert analysis of the revolver fired in the fatal shooting …., as they weigh whether to refile charges against the actor.’
‘The new report examines the gun and markings it left on a spent cartridge to conclude that the trigger had to have been pulled or depressed.’
He should have gone to a NRA course on how to use a firearm. This probably would never have happened if he had.
https://apnews.com/article/gun-analysis-alec-baldwin-rust-new-mexico-33eb5260eac436b7d10a15744dc64d67
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August 17, 2023 8:13am
- cmm
  
  It’s the most basic bloody rule of guns. Only ever point in a safe direction.
  I struggle to even play paintball.
  Perhaps actors have a problem understanding the boundary between reality and fantasy.
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:18am
  - alex Masterley
    
    I have only played paintball once.
    Being shot in the neck, bloody painful it was too, by a team -mate put me off.
    
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    August 17, 2023 8:55am
    - cmm
      
      I struggled more with pointing the gun at someone and pulling the trigger. Having shot a real person with a real gun for real, I struggled with the concept of turning this into a game.
      
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      August 17, 2023 9:34am
      - Don Beckett
        
        The most basic rule is identify your target, ensure the firing zone is safe, and NEVER point a weapon at another person – unless you want to kill him/her. Firearms main purpose is to kill.
        
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        August 17, 2023 12:13pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    To be fair, being handed a gun when there are armourers on set, and for the purposes of filming you point and shoot upon ‘Action’. You do have to trust the armourer.
    Unless you are at point blank range then it is harmless.
    I have been part of theatrical shooting, reenactments, and TV and movie filming. The only risk if if you have muzzle contact {blows apart a sandbag, or flesh!} or too-short ranges. There have been injuries to people’s faces from people shooting at too close range (seen it, and face all bloody), and you can get power under the skin as blanks expel material; especially black powder. Even .45 blanks make your insides quiver if someone is shooting atop you while you play dead, and percussion blasts past your ear are not nice either.
    Although I didn’t like what Alec Baldwin did in Team America; World Police, as far as shooting a film you HAVE to fire off weapons in the general direction of people, be they stunt people or actors or even film crew lined up behind the camera. Can’t be avoided in many cases.
    
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    August 17, 2023 10:02am
    - Don Beckett
      
      But this happened before they were shooting the film – not during the filming.
      
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      August 17, 2023 12:15pm
    - Guy Preston
      
      To be fair, being handed a gun when there are armourers on set, and for the purposes of filming you point and shoot upon ‘Action’. You do have to trust the armourer.
      
      yeah, not so much… Here is the interview of the guy Baldwin would have been shooting at where he says he doesn’t trust the armourer at all and checks for himself.
      https://www.youtube.com/live/eNugnakkSg8?feature=share&t=3626
      
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      August 17, 2023 12:46pm
      - Guy Preston
        
        statement about own weapon checks at 1hr 11min
        
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        August 17, 2023 12:59pm
- Guy Preston
  
  The issue with the charges had to do with the specific charge they were going for post dated the incident. Full legal analysis by self defense law expert here
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:59am
slightlyrighty

Question time in Parliament has become incredibly testy of late with the occupants of the treasury benches losing their rag, and the Speaker, whose job, and indeed his seat in parliament is under grave threat, seems to be letting them off the leash if the rants of Jackson, Hipkins and Robertson is anything to go by.

Those who follow proceedings in the house a bit more closely will have noticed. I wonder if this behaviour will have effects outside the beltway??
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August 17, 2023 8:14am
- stewmar
  
  slightly: I wonder if this behaviour will have effects outside the beltway??
  
  Pardon my ignorance but what does beltway mean please? Isn’t it easier to use NZ words rather than American?
  
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  August 17, 2023 11:32am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  People will see and be put off by failure, ineptitude, snd the vulgarity of the three mentioned
  
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  August 17, 2023 12:30pm
imalwaysright

Mark Mitchell rightly talks tough on gangs and crime, yet he won’t commit to a policy of making it safe for a five year old girl to get changed without the risk of having a naked male stranger in the room with her.

That is unacceptable.
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August 17, 2023 8:20am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Not really part of the portfolio of the opposition party spokesperson for Police.
  Naturally he is focused on gangs and ram raids 😉
  
  Perhaps existing ministries for women should be speaking up?
  
  Oh, that’s right. Trans-women ARE women. Now put fingers in the ears and say “Lalalalalala”.
  Or is that just Lal?
  
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  August 17, 2023 10:07am
  - imalwaysright
    
    FSD, I should have clarified he would not commit in his capacity of MP.
    
    He was being interviewed by Plunket on The Platform , Plunket asked Nicola Willis the same question yesterday and she wouldn’t commit either.
    
    It looks like National don’t want to acknowledge the problem and are frightened of the media backlash .
    
    A shame, they would have the support of most of the country.
    
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    August 17, 2023 1:02pm
  - Keith White
    
    FSD:
    
    This is completely off topic, just because I am curious about your online name.
    
    One of our children insisted on identifying her teddy bear – once she was old enough to vocalise the concept – as TBTIM(AOM) – i.e. “That Bear That Is Mine (we added ‘And Only Mine’) because her siblings had their own bears.
    
    I’m guessing fuzzysnuggleduck has similar genealogy!
    
    All the best, regardless.
    
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    August 17, 2023 3:35pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      By way of answer: Fuzzysnuggleduck is a reference in The Simpsons in an early episode.
      The {early seasons} Simpsons live rent free inside my head.
      
      {when Marge checks the TV, while on vacation} ..The three movies available on Rancho Relaxo’s pay-per-view service include “Thelma & Louise”, “The Happy Little Elves Meet Fuzzy Snuggleduck”… and “The Erotic Awakening of S”.
      
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      August 18, 2023 9:52am
Bridgenag

What Will Happen When the Grid Goes Down

A WAKEUP warning about what you can and should do“When the Grid goes down, within a week, the US will revert to being a third-world country. You will have no food, no water, no money, no job, no communication, no transportation, no hospitals, no first-responder services, no police, etc., etc.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/criticallythinking/p/what-will-happen-when-the-grid-goes?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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August 17, 2023 8:30am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

‘Manchurian Candidate’ Biden is letting crooked Countries walk all over America.
Vid 4.04

https://finishtherace.com/ella-ford/trump-slams-the-biden-crime-family-for-taking-20m-in-foreign-money-calls-joe-the-manchurian-candidate/
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August 17, 2023 8:30am
Maggie Pie

Chloe Swarbrick throws a neon-lit Gay Dance Party at the Green’s swanky K’rd-Electoral-Office for her campaign launch.

Meanwhile, up the road, National Candidate Matesh Muralidhar holds a very different gathering in Pitt Street’s Methodist Church Hall….a “law and order” meeting.

https://twitter.com/NewsroomNZ/status/1691895560821678150
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August 17, 2023 8:31am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It does not look like any kind of dance party let alone a gay one.
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:40am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Haven’t you heard of Village People (Serious Division) Benedict?
    
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    August 17, 2023 9:00am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Afraid not 😳 I know a bit about the Yuanzhumin.
      
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      August 17, 2023 9:18am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Uyghurs tend to lead a somewhat sheltered existence Suze 😀
      
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      August 17, 2023 9:22am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        (You) can’t stop the music Maggie 🤩!
        
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        August 17, 2023 9:28am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Wrong country.
        
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        August 17, 2023 9:53am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Try telling that to Prezident Xi 🙁
        
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        August 17, 2023 10:09am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Not that I expect you really give a shit about the Uighur people – but that is Mainland China, and specifically the Chinese communist party.
        Collective guilt of all Chinese people for that (be they Hong Kongese, Taiwanese, or Singaporean) is like the notional of white guilt for colonisation. Both unfair and lacking in nuance or understanding.
        
        Try thinking of Chinese who also value democracy or loath the communist party as allies and friends, rather than all Chinese people being sinister Oolong tea sipping monsters.
        
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        August 17, 2023 10:10am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Time was when the Methodist Church in Pitt St was the stamping ground of those old dinosaurs, Helen Clark & Phil Goff.
  
  O tempora! O mores!
  
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  August 17, 2023 7:05pm
Ehlana

Never never let your gun
Pointed be at anyone
That it may unloaded be
Matters not the least to me
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August 17, 2023 8:31am
- Keith White
  
  Ehlana, your downticker must be a Cahill-voter; they all think no-one outside the Cahill-Coster and other government-approved-and-funded gangs should have a musket.
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:46am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    I haven’t downticked, but the idea that you dont point a gun supplied by an armourer at another person, on set, when supplied for that specific reason…..on a film set …..does that rule only apply to Alex Baldwin or to every movie that has been made or will be made??
    
    Try watching some films, you will see that they point guns at each other.
    For real, they do. Not just Mr. Baldwin.
    
    And the fact that someone out of the shot (i.e not an actor) was hit suggests he was not aiming at that person anyway. In a film, the crew might be gathered in a semi-circle around the scene being filmed.
    The real issue is being handed a loaded pistol with a live round in it.
    
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    August 17, 2023 10:20am
    - All_on_Red
      
      The protocol is to always check a weapon no matter who hands it to you.
      Doesn’t matter where you are.
      You open it and look.
      Baldwin didn’t check it and it was loaded with live rounds.
      
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      August 17, 2023 12:37pm
    - waikatosinger
      
      Action is filmed from many angles and spliced together in editing. Not all actors in a scene need be on set at the same time. In this case it was a head on shot of him shooting towards the camera.
      
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      August 17, 2023 9:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

US$700 per household in Maui and US$200M to Ukraine.
Joe is a sick man in many ways.

https://finishtherace.com/ella-ford/biden-proposes-maui-fire-survivors-one-time-pittance-on-same-day-200-million-declared-for-ukraine/
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August 17, 2023 8:37am
- Keith White
  
  Its what happens when too many neurons become detached from others.
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:47am
- cmm
  
  $200M? No, US has sent about $75billion to Ukraine – probably more by now.
  
  There are about 16 million households in Ukraine, so about $4700 per Ukrainian household.
  
  Perhaps Maui should give 10% to the big guy and they will end up with bigger hand outs.
  
  https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:49am
- Inandout
  
  SO, it is apparent Joe is not a well man and is most times shepherded around by his minders. He is a sad spectacle to witness and may be the first US President in history to escape a re-elction debate.
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:49am
Drone

Has the government ever considered the fact that many Asian and Chinese students come to New Zealand schools and universities to learn and improve their English speaking, and that the increased use of written and spoken maori potentially makes the country less attractive to overseas students when they can go to Australia for a better experience.
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August 17, 2023 8:42am
- plc
  
  No
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:48am
- cmm
  
  I thought they come here for the cultural enrichment.
  
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  August 17, 2023 9:46am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Just wait till the science classes start on Maori-wonderfulness: the mauri of a river, and whakapapa links to nature. All of this is actually in student resource books being promoted now.
  If those books reflect the next year’s curriculum, like they claim, then we are really going backwards around patronising ‘Maori science’ on an equal footing with ‘all other human’s science’.
  
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  August 17, 2023 10:24am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    And will National throw out the diktat that maatauranga is “co-equal” to so-called Western science? Have they taken a position on this issue? It matters – a lot! Science education in this country is being ruined. The current government has also brought in a perverse incentive to study maatauranga at university – the funding weighting for maatauranga is now the highest of any discipline at NZ universities, higher even than science or engineering https://www.tec.govt.nz/assets/Publications-and-others/PBRF-Publications/PBRF-User-Manual-updated-February-2022.pdf
    
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    August 17, 2023 6:39pm
  - cmm
    
    “Just wait till the science classes start…”
    
    Nope, this has been going of forever.
    
    In 1992, about 2 months after coming to NZ – so September or so, a colleague of mine and I flew from AKL to Wellington for some training.
    
    In our hotel there were a bunch of teachers from the South Island up for a teachers’ conference who we ended up sharing a table with in the bar.
    
    They told us that there were a bunch of activist teachers pushing for “Maori science” to be included alongside Western science in the school curriculum.
    At that stage it was still being resisted, but they said it was a losing battle and they expected it would happen soon.
    
    It is well and truly here and has been around for a long time. No teaching about tectonic plates lifting up NZ form the sea without giving acknowledgement to Maui and his fishing skills.
    
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    August 17, 2023 7:27pm
- Piniwi
  
  Don’t even have to go that far as they can get a world class higher education in the Philippines. Especially in Dumaguete known as the “City of the gentle people” at the world acclaimed Silliman University. New classes due to start soon after Summer Break ends. The city is again filling up with Asian students who like it as it is a cheap, safe place to live and study and classes conducted in ENGLISH albeit the Yank flavoured version.
  New Zealand (wokeland) is a very hard sell these days and the crime wave is spreading wider with each passing week. While so many Universities are struggling and chopping numbers at the sharp end as the blunt end grows.
  
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  August 17, 2023 12:03pm
- Jack5
  
  Drone on Asian students … …they can go to Australia for a better experience.
  
  But if they come to NZ, they get a path to citizenship as part of the deal, and that leads to visa-free entry from NZ through the back door to Australia, and thus a better life in our big neighbour.
  
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  August 17, 2023 6:53pm
Tom Hunter

Are there any of Biden’s defenders left who are still willing to argue that he’s firing on more than one cylinder – or that he’s a decent man?

It’s not just the “No comment” response to what is always the most softball of all questions to ask of a President – to comment on a natural disaster – but there’s the completely inappropriate goofy grin as well.

Senile dementia is not just when the brain rots so badly that it can’t process information, it’s also when it no longer commands the emotions and produces random outbursts of anger, laughter and so forth.
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August 17, 2023 8:47am
- cmm
  
  You have a pretty generous definition of “firing”.
  Coughing along more like. Less compression than a weed wacker with no rings.
  
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  August 17, 2023 7:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Covid was pre-planned by an elite group.
Vid 2.02.

https://spreely.video/v/2117083545/Congressman-Ron-Johnson-alleges-that-covid-was-%E2%80%9CPRE-PLANNED-by-an-elite-group-of-people
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August 17, 2023 8:48am
Rusty

In light of the ridiculous charges laid against Donald Trump — could hate speech laws in NZ include a section on politicians questioning an election result going against them?

Imagine if Labour were re-elected and Chris Luxon was to question vote counting in a certain electorate.

He could be charged and imprisoned for asking a question!
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August 17, 2023 8:49am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Well, it looks like Zuck clucked his way out of fighting with Elon Musk. The fight would have raised a boatload of money to be donated to veterans. But, like all things that lack a spine, Zuckerberg collapsed.

https://billingsreport.com/elons-got-the-receipt-proving-zuck-chickened-out-of-charity-mma-fight/
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August 17, 2023 8:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Money raised was going to the Veterans. Sad.
  Zuck shows that he is a coward.
  
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  August 17, 2023 8:52am
  - Colville
    
    Zuck wanted in run by Dana and Musk refused.
    Zuck actually trains MMA daily and Musk is a slob who does no exercise.
    Zuck would have smashed him is 30 seconds despite being 5 inches shorter and 20 kg lighter.
    
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    August 17, 2023 9:28am
    - RoboRob
      
      Dont underestimate Musk. He’s a driven individual who would have trained his arse off for this. I’m pretty sure he would have been a ‘dirty’ fighter too. Would have been an entertaining fight either way 🙂
      
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      August 17, 2023 10:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Dream is over, you can wake up now.
      
      Dunno if Musk uses a gym or whatever. Some people are just naturally fit, I think he is.
      My fitness comes from hard work in a steel fabrication workshop. Not that great now at 71. Another fitness thing is good sleep.
      
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      August 17, 2023 10:12am
      - Colville
        
        Steve you make me laugh.
        
        There are pictures of Musk with his shirt off…he is a 20kg overweigh cream puff.
        
        Zuck has a BJJ belt..and he is ripped.
        
        Musk could last for longer than 30 seconds by running away??
        
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        August 17, 2023 1:41pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Colville,
        Those pics you have seen are recent.?
        I don’t think Musk would go in to lose.
        Zuck has stopped eating Chick-fi-A. Cannibalism.
        
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        August 17, 2023 4:03pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Yes, 100%.
      Maybe not 30 seconds, but unlikely to complete even 1 round.
      I am glad it won’t happen, as Musk (whom I do admire, and think is a wonderful colourful character) is often prone to talking smack and BS, and not following through.
      His training by his own admission, was to “start to do some weights when at the office”.
      Seeing Musk taken to the ground and locked up by someone who actually trains at BJJ and something relevent to cage fighting would be sad.
      Musk was never taking it seriously. He is a creative person, an ideas man, and some of the best people like that are not reliable or able to be properly organised.
      Cardio would do him much better than weights, or some actual training! Fighting, and grappling even more so, is exhausting work and the fitter person has a huge advantage. Musk would be sucking back air hard at the end of 1 minute.
      Following his Tweets, and looking at the condition of the man, I think Zuck has just realised it was a troll all along.
      
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      August 17, 2023 10:31am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Beer than Trump trolls? LOL!
        
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        August 17, 2023 4:04pm
- Clown
  
  Zuck should challenge Elon to WWE rules match – at least then he’d have a shot at winning.
  
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  August 17, 2023 11:41am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    An arm wrestle maybe. Probably more appropriate for two nerds.
    
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    August 17, 2023 9:24pm
Maggie Pie

I don’t get the ‘underpants’ reference in a lot of the comments, but you’d have to agree this guy Tuku Morgan sure comes across as yet another entitled Maori….

https://twitter.com/kiwiwayne2/status/1691234357225361412
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August 17, 2023 8:54am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Once upon a time Mr. Morgan used taxpayer money to buy some expense mens grundies….
  
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  August 17, 2023 9:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In Newmarket. $85 from memory.
    
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    August 17, 2023 10:13am
    - jon
      
      Steve, if i recall correctly, they were silk XXXXL!
      
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      August 17, 2023 11:13am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    A man of his skill and talents required the taxpayer to buy him silk Hugo Boss Boxers.
    
    He was a very important man you know!
    
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    August 17, 2023 1:15pm
- septic skeptic
  
  As an MP for Winston First he famously charged up extravagantly expensive boxer shorts to his expenses credit card. Peanuts compared to a 3 billion slush fund of course.
  
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  August 17, 2023 9:27am
  - cmm
    
    This is the craziness of “feelz”. People can get wound up over $70 underpants and $10 of porn. $3bn of koha for the bros is a number that is beyond “feelz”.
    
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    August 17, 2023 9:42am
    - Burtland
      
      havent we had 6yrs of PGF now ? – the first 3 proved very successful
      
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      August 17, 2023 11:28am
  - Swifty
    
    I think that ‘undiegate’ was during his broadcasting career (Aotearoa Television Network) rather that his parliamentary career, which came after.
    
    From memory….
    
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    August 17, 2023 9:45am
  - Cassandra
    
    No, it was before he became an MP – Maori TV job. There was a swag of them charging heaps for flash clothes.
    
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    August 17, 2023 9:57am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Tuku
    
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    August 17, 2023 12:33pm
- Keith White
  
  Maggie, Tuku became world-infamous with his very expensive grunds decades ago = 1997. $89.00 for out-of-sight package-packaging would be expensive even nowadays; but back at the dawn of time – just, wow.
  
  https://www.irishtimes.com/news/underpants-spree-targeted-1.43968
  
  Mod: link is to a 1997 Irish Times (yeah, verily) article on platinum-plated pathognomic underwear of the Highly Entitled Grifter Class, NZ Division.
  
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  August 17, 2023 9:34am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    O.M.G! that is sooo hilarious 😀 😀 😀
    
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    August 17, 2023 10:15am
- Grunter
  
  He’s a very dangerous and entitled scumbag of the worst kind. One to watch out for as the new Nat/ACT Govt roll back all the racist co-governance nonsense.
  
  Tuku Morgan will do more than wet his pants this time around…..
  
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  August 17, 2023 9:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That statement from Tuku may be false.
  Someone on this blog showed something about Tainui losing.
  
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  August 17, 2023 10:59am
  - Piniwi
    
    No it is true as it has been featured on Hobson’s Pledge so you could check it there if you are not on the email list.
    
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    August 17, 2023 12:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Keeping the fire at bay in residential. Maui water shut off. Fire trucks could not refill tanks.

Could have been too much demand.

Warning sirens not working. Shambles.
One man had to go find his wife and say “sorry we just lost the house”
That must have been a hard thing to do.

https://libertyonenews.com/maui-resident-says-we-were-winning-against-fires-until-water-shut-off-video/
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August 17, 2023 9:08am
kevn

Same game plan same outcomes… labour.
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/08/16/good-riddance-to-mark-drakeford-the-first-minister-of-wales/
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August 17, 2023 9:09am
BarryB

Free Range vegetables…….
I see an item on TV3 about a vertical vegetable growing outfit doing it all in a building. They reuse all the water and use LED lighting to mimic the sun.

Now we arent allowed to keep chickens indoor any longer – they have to be organic and free range (well thats what the Supermarkets have dictated)…..
So will we soon see a demand for organic Free Range vegetables………….

Just asking for a friend (who could be a vegan)
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August 17, 2023 9:22am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Random impertinent question. If you are a veganist, do you eat vegetables that have been grown with the aid of blood and bone?
  
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  August 17, 2023 10:47am
- Piniwi
  
  Do you have a link pls? Vertical gardens.
  
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  August 17, 2023 12:28pm
  - BarryB
    
    It was on TV3 AM this morning. Its on facebook – but I dont have a face book account but you could try this: https://www.facebook.com/AMShowNZ/
    I have no idea if you have to check it today to catch it.
    Vertical plant growing both indoors and outside has been used for years around the world. However its never been really economic until hydroponics came along. Hydroponics has been used for years indoors but not in vertical growing operations as water tends not to like running up-hill…..
    However this outfit in the S.Island seems to have got a viable system.
    This is the operation that was on TV3 today: https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/hort-news/hort-general-news/verticle-farming-future
    
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    August 17, 2023 1:10pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone see the Free Speech Union debate in Dunedin live, online or on Sky 83?

The moot was, “be it resolved; Governments should lead the fight to reach Net Zero”.

Sadly it was assumed we were in a climate emergancy by both debaters.
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August 17, 2023 9:30am
- Taieri
  
  Governments should lead the fight to reach Net Zero
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  The Government can’t even stop ram raids. How can they stop climate change?
  
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  August 17, 2023 10:16am
Chuck Bird

Simon Court’s speech in Parliament yesterday.

Climate Change Response (Late Payment Penalties and Industrial Allocation) Amendment Bill – Third Reading –

https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=235932
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August 17, 2023 9:45am
Hollyfield

According to the Herald the PM is expected to announce a Northwestern busway today.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-chris-hipkins-expected-to-announce-plans-today-for-northwestern-busway-in-auckland/7LKLV4UIDJHOJIM6HTH5G3BZRE/

(I thought Jacinda announced that 3 years ago.)

It was the leading article at 5am, but is now buried way down the politics page.

I thought this paragraph interesting: “It will be his third big policy announcement since the weekend, albeit the GPS is a formal Government document, unlike his previous two Labour Party policy announcements on removing GST from fruit and vegetables, and paid parental leave.”
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August 17, 2023 10:02am
Hollyfield

Quote from Chris Hipkins: “only the weakest of politicians try to divide the country based on race”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzhqChMDYCc
22mins 24 sec.

Have to say I agree with that statement, as we’ve seen over the last 5-6 years.
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August 17, 2023 10:05am
Jack5

Poor Armenians are again threatened with extermination …

Aboutt 120,000 of them trapped in the contested territory of Nagorno-Karabakh are being starved by Azerbaijan, which is blockading food and medical supplies, reports the Telegraph.

Since December 2022, the main road connecting Karabakh to Armenia and the outside world – the Lachin Corridor – has been blocked by Azerbaijan, preventing the flow of 90 per cent of food, medicine, fuel and other supplies into the territory.

More than one and a half million Armenians died in the genocide by Turkey from 1915 to 1918.

Even if they could get out, I doubt NZ will see any Armenians in our quota of refugees. The Armenians are Christians, and they became Christians many centuries before the British. New Zealand allows the United Nations to dictate which refugees this country takes, and the UN decides NZ overwhelmingly take Muslim refugees.
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August 17, 2023 10:07am
- kevn
  
  Jack5… Not forgetting the SA farmers of course.
  
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  August 17, 2023 10:20am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Well, we wouldn’t want the wrong sort of refugees you know. Those Somalians are fitting in so well!
    
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    August 17, 2023 1:19pm
crikey

I’ve just watched a short clip (from Tik Tok) of Shane Jones speaking at an NZ First meeting. I like the way it finished ‘ put the K back in iwi – KIWI’.

Couldn’t agree more but it won’t entice me to vote for the Winston party.

Put the i back in iwi – KIWI
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August 17, 2023 10:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Good luck, the Northland poll shows he has no show, although he is ahead of King
  
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  August 17, 2023 12:36pm
- crikey
  
  Sorry missed the typo:
  
  Put the K back in iwi – KIWI
  
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  August 17, 2023 4:17pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Gathering at Auckland’s Albert Park to discuss strategy prior to anti-transgender women’s rights activist Posie Parker’s next visit….

https://twitter.com/MalesInDisguise/status/1691857664400130091

[the comments 😀 😀 😀 ]
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August 17, 2023 10:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That sheila is a bloke.
  Why are they not at work?
  
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  August 17, 2023 10:46am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/te-anau-meeting-was-wonderful-plus-maori-party-electoral-signs-vandalised/

Video included.
Rawiri Waititi is the racist one.
Always accuse others of what you are yourself.
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August 17, 2023 10:33am
nathie

Has this been posted before? First time I’ve heard of the “Silent No More” protest (via linking from another link from Maggie Pie’s earlier post on Tuku Morgan).

Was it even covered by the MSM? Did the MSM even ask these questions? If not why not?

https://twitter.com/Rosinah1957/status/1688654008154836992
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August 17, 2023 10:34am
- Maggie Pie
  
  WOW!! That was such a hard watch 🙁
  
  Over 64,000 VAX INJURIES reported in NZ alone….
  
  “That is what it is, so, yip yip”
  
  – ‘Dame’ Jacinda Ardern.
  
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  August 17, 2023 11:29am
  - mandk
    
    Dr John Campbell posted on YouTube about adverse events recently.
    
    He cited official government stats from Aus, suggesting that only ~10% of adverse events have been reported.
    
    Not surprising really. Reporting is not mandatory unlike, say, measles. Doctors are far too busy to report stuff they don’t have to.
    
    64,000 adverse events in NZ is probably a gross under-estimate.
    
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    August 17, 2023 12:38pm
    - Keith White
      
      One close family member who was faced with the choice of get jabbed or not graduate and lose her job dependent on her graduation, got very unwell post-jab, within 10 days.
      
      She could not get the DHB to accept a report of vax injury. Went to her GP who told her it was a “coincidence.”
      
      ACC refused to accept a claim even after we flew her to Australia and had her examined, and tested, at a high-grade metro hospital. (She was subsequently admitted emergently – twice – through their ER for sustained tachycardia as a result of mRNA vaccine-induced myocarditis).
      
      But she will not be counted in the NZ adverse events total.
      
      Never forget.
      Never forgive.
      Peace Crimes Tribunals.
      
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      August 17, 2023 1:45pm
      - Keith White
        
        Must be a Sir Ashley-wannabe downticking this time around. Or perhaps a Pink/Plank clone 🙂
        
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        August 17, 2023 2:37pm
  - nathie
    
    “WOW!! That was such a hard watch 🙁”
    
    Yep kinda shed a few tears when watching it.
    
    Anyhoo … you can bet that if it were a National Govt that was in power during the covid response, the MSM journos and commentators would actually be questioning the govt on issues like adverse side effects or people losing their jobs due to the mandates.
    
    (But oh no with Ardern in charge back then the MSM dared not to question the official narrative – in fact went out of their way to denigrate those questioning the mandates and vaccine efficacy etc, even despite the contradictions and hypocrisy of Ardern’s statements over time. Such a very untrustworthy and shameful person – NZ is already a better place without her in power).
    
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    August 17, 2023 1:55pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Now we know why she RAN!
    
    There is no way Ardern was able to face and answer to this
    
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    August 17, 2023 5:18pm
- miltonF
  
  Bloomfield, Jacinda and others knew they F’d up criminally and jumped ship. All of these people need to be held accountable in a court of law. If this does not happen then it shows that our human rights and justice system are not worth the paper they are written on. Forcing unsafe experimental substances resulting in death. Denying effective medical treatments (IVM, Hydroxychloroquine) resulting in death. Manslaughter charges for the lot of them. All of the evidence is there, as plain as day.
  
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  August 17, 2023 3:27pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Makes the Christchurch murderer look like an amateur.
    
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    August 17, 2023 6:32pm
cas

A bayhopper bus going from Whakatane to Tauranga has an advert right over the back of the bus for kiri Allan. And no billboards for Tamati around. Loads for National
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August 17, 2023 10:41am
- Keith White
  
  What was the ad: “She should have taken the bus home.” ?
  
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  August 17, 2023 1:40pm
Jack5

What a time for National to take power …

Food prices are soaring well ahead of the official inflation rate; some regions are paying more than $3 a litre for petrol; export-milk prices are down and many farmers worry about their bank accounts; the kiwi dollar’s slipped under US60c; in just six months NZ has added more than a hundred thousand mainly low-skill immigrfants to house, to employ, and to provide with health care.

The world picture isn’t great, either. A key American interest rate, the yield on US 10-year bonds, has jumped to its highest for 15 years.

The “Wall Street Journal” reports that, with short-term interest rates are at their highest for decades, but the U.S. economy is barely slowing down.
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August 17, 2023 10:43am
Bridgenag

Hatchard Report

Deaths are up 14%, Natural birth increase down 28%, and Disability is up 37.5%
NZ official birth and death figures for 12 months to the end of June 2023 released.

 https://hatchardreport.com/deaths-are-up-14-live-births-are-down-28-and-disability-is-up-37-5/
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August 17, 2023 10:47am
Opie

https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=235805

Luxon staying calm while winding up hipkins who has got very shouty all of a sudden
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August 17, 2023 11:14am
- mandk
  
  Hipkins also resorted to calling the Nats racist, when he didn’t have a reasoned response to a question.
  
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  August 17, 2023 12:41pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Luxon got under Hipkins’skin yesterday during that exchange. The Back on Track tour has done wonders for his public speaking.
  
  Speaking of the BoT tour, Luxon had another full house last night in Paraparaumu with Otaki candidate Tim Costley and Mana candidate Frances Hughes.
  
  https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=721489086689553&set=pcb.721489143356214
  
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  August 17, 2023 2:15pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

TRUMP IMMUNE FROM PROSECUTION DUE TO LACK OF IMPEACHMENT.

https://roccistuccishow.com/trump-immune-from-prosecution-due-to-lack-of-impeachment-nclu-legal-theory-argues/

He may have been impeached, but not convicted.
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August 17, 2023 11:26am
Maggie Pie

Making the beds earlier and listening to Kerry Woodham on ZB.

She raised the topic of National’s intention to cut the financial red tape in relation to the current CCCFA introduced by Labor.

The thing I found incredible, was the number of people who called in and said they were with KIWIBANK 🙁

SHEESH – why wouldn’t you go to a REAL bank!!
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August 17, 2023 11:43am
- kevn
  
  Maggie… and still after all these years KiwiBank still needs taxpayer propping up.
  Mostly a home for the disaffected I gather.
  
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  August 17, 2023 4:36pm
ClanMcleod

There’s an excellent interview currently happening on Reality Check Radio, Rodney Hide with Dr Muriel Newman.

Highly recommend you listen to the replay when it is posted later today.

https://realitycheck.radio/
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August 17, 2023 11:46am
- Piniwi
  
  Has anybody asked her why she lowered her standard of contributor by featuring Bryce Edwards shilling for Winston First in last weeks addition.
  
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  August 17, 2023 12:59pm
  - Keith White
    
    Go ahead, ask her, and be sure to let us know the answer. Thanks.
    
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    August 17, 2023 1:39pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Oh, you want to do an Ardern and control all the narrative? How Marxist of you……..
    
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    August 17, 2023 2:57pm
    - Keith White
      
      No-one wants to do an Ardern.
      
      I reckon in the near future, Ardern will be a major pejorative. Even more than
      
      “…he’s an Ashley” will mean he’s a lying fraud
      
      and
      
      “he’s a Chippy” will mean he’s only in it for himself.
      
      “He/She’s an Ardern(ne)” will mean…
      
      …answers on a postcard. What I would write, would bring me understandably afoul of the Mods.
      
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      August 17, 2023 6:33pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    I’ve listened to Bryce interviewed on The Platform.
    He said he gets a lot of heat from some Victoria “university ” staff for his political analysis.
    He’s a straight thinker who clearly won’t lower himself to please the academic whores around him.
    Says what he thinks, like Chris Trotter.
    
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    August 17, 2023 6:40pm
ClanMcleod

That’s probably not going to come as a shock to anyone, but the establishment media and woke social media response to Oliver Anthony’s gritty coal country ballad ‘Rich Men North Of Richmond’ is less than enthusiastic. Much like their reaction to Jason Aldean’s ‘Try That In A Small Town’ which blew up the charts in the face of heavy media backlash, ‘Rich Men North Of Richmond’ is being derided as a “right wing anthem” laced with “conspiracy theories.”

It’s an excellent song and I recommend checking out the link in the above article.
As expected, the liberal left have called it ‘far right’. 🙄
If you are paying attention you’ll notice that anyone who opposes the Marxist madness being imposed on us, everything from covid, transgender, co-governance, you name it – they will have a desultory label applied to them.

It will always paint you as one or all of the following:

Far right

Misogynist

Racist

Anti trans

Conspiracy theorist

and many others. Keep an eye out and ridicule it when you see it.
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August 17, 2023 11:51am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Here’s the link. Apologies.
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/political/anyone-surprised-left-wing-media-doesnt-rich-men-north-richmond?utm_source=
  
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  August 17, 2023 12:09pm
ClanMcleod

Last Year’s Nobel Physics Laureate Signs World Climate Declaration Stating ‘There is No Climate Emergency’

Great article.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/08/15/last-years-nobel-physics-laureate-signs-world-climate-declaration-stating-there-is-no-climate-emergency/
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August 17, 2023 12:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From FB 2021:
If it worked and was safe you wouldn’t need to run huge ad campaigns, mandate it or offer other incentives.
If it worked and was safe you wouldn’t need to block, censor, and threaten those who question it.
See that Labour???
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August 17, 2023 12:36pm
- miltonF
  
  And if the virus was truely dangerous, you wouldn’t need to force people to stay home. They’d do so willingly. You really have to question people’s critical thinking skills.
  
  It is much more likely, they forced people to stay home because PEOPLE WERNT GETTING SICK and it would have blown the whole narrative out of the water. People would have quickly realised it is much like the common cold. It leaves them an open door to confuse the public. “No, people aren’t dying because of the ‘vaccine’. It is because we stopped lockdowns” lol…
  
  The whole thing was a scam to remove your rights and impoverish you.
  
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  August 17, 2023 3:42pm
  - Keith White
    
    Agree, except that this was not a scam: this was treason.
    
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    August 17, 2023 6:29pm
John Loveridge

So will EV drivers have to pay anything more?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/08/government-proposes-yearly-fuel-tax-increases-as-it-lays-out-future-transport-investment-projects.html
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August 17, 2023 1:18pm
- mandk
  
  It would be utterly stupid and completely unjustified not to charge RUC for EVs.
  
  They currently pay nothing to use the roads, but they cause more damage than ICEs because they are heavier.
  
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  August 17, 2023 1:45pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    They will pay. From 1 July 2024.
    
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    August 17, 2023 2:21pm
    - mandk
      
      Could you link to a source, BY?
      
      I have been looking for details on Stuff, Newshub, NZH and Labour’s website, but I found nothing.
      
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      August 17, 2023 2:28pm
      - Ghost
        
        https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/road-user-charges/ruc-exemptions/
        
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        August 17, 2023 2:34pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Thanks – I see EVs will pay RUC from 1 April 2024.
        
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        August 17, 2023 2:41pm
  - Keith White
    
    I have an electric (BEV) motorsickle and I don’t mind if I have to pay RUCs. It’s quiet, it’s fast, charges overnight on standard power, has ABS, traction control and starts 100% of the time by a switch not a kickstart. Best of all – the electrics are by Harley, not Lucas*.
    
    *Those of a Certain Vintage may recall Lucas 12V electrics as run by the Prince of Darkness 🙂
    
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    August 17, 2023 5:11pm
- Dougal10
  
  But is this government policy and they are speaking as the ministers or is it labour party policy and therefore only an electoral announcement. Things in chippys and parkers worlds are getting murky.
  
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  August 17, 2023 1:46pm
Keith White

“Life degrades to whatever level of chaos a country accepts.”

Or in our case, votes for.
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August 17, 2023 1:38pm
- Keith White
  
  I see – is it a Sir Ashley-wannabe or Chris Cahill-wannabe wielding the downtickbutton haha – you dispute the truth of that quote? Go ahead, and show your work…
  
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  August 17, 2023 2:12pm
  - Keith White
    
    I see you two downtickers are self-identifying 🙂
    
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    August 17, 2023 5:12pm
Maggie Pie

Notice how things have gotten so much worse since it became “Te Whatau Ora”? And thanks to Labor, there’s no longer enuff Cops around Sth Auckland that time of night either.
My suggestion would be the girls keep a can of Easy-Off in their handbags, cap removed and at the ready….

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1691951962567111011

Can you see Mark Mitchell allowing this disturbing state of affairs to continue?
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August 17, 2023 1:49pm
- Keith White
  
  Hairspray plus a Bic lighter.
  
  My daughters provided this advice.
  
  Or not. They have left NZ for safer places.
  
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  August 17, 2023 5:20pm
Warren

Nats, Act must turn around Public Service.
It is clear the most pressing task facing a new Government is turning around Wellingtons under performing Public Sector, says Ben Thomas, after Public Service Commissioner Peter Hughes whose authority over the Public Service has been centralized under Labour.
The Post reported yesterday that a new poll out showed a majority of voters say the Health, education and criminal justice systems have got worse since 2020. A plurality of voters thought the same athe provision of welfare and transport.
A National and Act opposition are campaigning on fixing headline problems : Accident emergency waiting times, overstretched teachers and opportunistic crime. But to any success
have any success, the Government after the October’s elections must first fix the bureaucracy that will advise and implement these election promises.
The chief issue is a breakdown in the relationship between democratically accountability Minister’s and the professional Public Service.
Some blame the Government. In 2017 a Cabinet of inexperienced Minister’s not expecting to be in Government was armed with utopian policies such as Kiwibuild that were intended to cut electoral losses in defeat rather than be implemented in victory.
This is part of a good column penned by Ben Thomas in this mornings Waikato Times, and the rest is not very complementary either.
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August 17, 2023 2:07pm
Inandout

These climatists are truly barking. WTF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy_JsiGl4AU&t=59s
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August 17, 2023 2:17pm
- [email protected]
  
  That has to be a put-on. It is difficult to believe that lady is that stupid. If so, hopefully there are not many of them.
  
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  August 17, 2023 6:01pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Your link just fizzles instantly when I click on it. Maybe some twits got it shut down. Here’s another one of the same thing. I can imagine it’s easy for these people to go off like that. They listen to climate doomerism all day and then go bananas!
  
  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Oy_JsiGl4AU
  
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  August 17, 2023 9:20pm
Stellaboxer

Has anybody noticed that if you visit yesterdays thread “Reviewing the evidence behind the claims on Maori health” there is an advert covering the comments which makes it impossible to access ? Call me paranoid ……..
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August 17, 2023 2:20pm
Maggie Pie

Anybody know what’s happened to Megan Woods?

Asking for a friend…
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August 17, 2023 2:30pm
- bjools
  
  Indigestion?
  
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  August 17, 2023 2:53pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Too many doughnuts?
  
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  August 17, 2023 2:59pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Apparently she’s overseas, no doubt flying business class out of consideration for the passenger next to her.
    
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    August 17, 2023 4:07pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Why the downtick? Many people buy two seats.
      
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      August 17, 2023 4:13pm
      - Flossie
        
        I’m willing to bet “she” didn’t buy any seats….we would have bought it/them for her.
        
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        August 17, 2023 5:21pm
bjools

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300951731/live-government-says-fuel-tax-will-increase-to-fund-new-transport-projects-fill-potholes
We are all driving to the food bank and the govt. will make it easier to get there by fixing the pot holes, but make it necessary to go there by taxing us more.
A famous man once sad.

“I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.”
― Winston S. Churchill
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August 17, 2023 2:59pm
- Hair Removal Specialist
  
  Labour, the party who “cares” about cost of living as demonstrated by removing GST from certain food items, then immediately increases the cost of all food and other goods by hiking the fuel tax. Absolute muppets.
  
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  August 17, 2023 4:59pm
  - Drone
    
    But HRS it’s only going to cost Kiwis a dollar a week, to save the planet.
    
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    August 17, 2023 7:03pm
- Drone
  
  This government are out of control, hardly a day goes by without another big ticket item being used to conceal the ramming through of shonky legislation. The big spending dreams won’t come true but the legislation will stick like sh*t on a blanket. National will not be able to remove it..
  
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  August 17, 2023 11:15pm
Maggie Pie

…..a Peeni for your thorts? 😎

https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1691982928002064491
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August 17, 2023 3:21pm
- Keith White
  
  You’d be paying much too little, Maggie…
  
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  August 17, 2023 5:06pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… 100’s of thousands more like it.
  
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  August 17, 2023 5:08pm
NothingLeft

What the fuck!!! Appears sneaky feckers Labour intend to lower local body voting age to 16 in a stealth bill tabled last night and likely to be rammed through before election without consultation, mandate or any of the usual niceties of legislative process.

Never mind that polling on issue consistently shows country firmly against lowering age. Labour knows best.
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August 17, 2023 4:49pm
- Keith White
  
  WTF indeed.
  
  Treachers are gonna be treacherous.
  
  As I have said before – Peace Crimes Tribunals.
  
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  August 17, 2023 5:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Na… it won’t be rammed through.
  
  It’s just been placed on the books to embarrass Nats when they form the new Govt.
  
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  August 17, 2023 5:23pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    I don’t think cancelling laws that majority of kiwis oppose would be embarrassing – actually the opposite – a chance to to give Labour a deserved lashing for their anti-democratic antics.
    
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    August 17, 2023 9:08pm
kevn

The old ‘clutching at straws’ trick taken to new heights by hipkins and labour.
Feral behaviour.
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August 17, 2023 5:13pm
greybeard

Eddie Jones.
I see that he is 5 feet 7 inches tall.
About the same as Winston.
Does that explain anything ?
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August 17, 2023 6:21pm
Maggie Pie

….but would it make your wee’s smell like pork?

https://mol.im/a/12413385
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August 17, 2023 6:33pm
- greybeard
  
  Maybe, but it is better than applying oinkment.
  
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  August 17, 2023 6:51pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I just know the effect Asparagus-Rolls have on me 🙁
    
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    August 17, 2023 6:57pm
Chris Nisbet

Once again One News trying to give the impression that this year’s storm damage and some coastal erosion was the result of “Climate Change!”.
There’s an underlying implication that the weather will improve if only we could stop using evil fossil fuels. Even if we thought that CO2 levels caused the storm (chuckle), and even if we could stop using fossil fuels tomorrow (snort), we’ll be stuck with the same sort of weather for centuries to come. That’s because CO2 levels will take that long to drop back to ‘safe’ (lol) levels, where the weather is always good and bad things like floods don’t occur.
One thing that definitely will occur if we stop using fossil fuels is that our standard of living will drop – it’s already happening because we’re all spending more on more on energy to stay warm and to get from A to B etc. The upshot is that we’ll all be worse off and less able to deal with bad weather when it happens.
This is what our leaders want for us.
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August 17, 2023 6:36pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/immigration/300952610/review-ordered-into-migrant-work-visas-after-115-workers-crammed-into-6-houses
“Immigration New Zealand confirmed on Tuesday they were aware of a case of possible immigration fraud and migrant exploitation in Auckland – which involved a number of Indian and Bangladeshi nationals.”
Good grief ! Surely not ! How unusual.
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August 17, 2023 7:10pm
graham

Ha. Otago University introduces a mandatory vaccination policy for its staff at the beginning of 2022 (apparently, “MY BODY MY CHOICE” doesn’t count when you are told you have to get injected with something or lose your job), fires a highly regarded anatomical model fabricator who tried to arrange a working-from-home situation – which she had done quite successfully during lockdowns – for no other reason than she tried to exert her right not to be injected against her will, and ends up having to pay her $53,000 in recompense.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/unvaccinated-otago-university-employee-unjustifiably-sacked-collects-53k-in-remedies/BCXHDALA2FF2PABG6XKLW54GEI/
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