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Yvette

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern makes historic speech at Waitangi
5 Feb, 2018 09:22 AM

Ardern was the first female prime minister to be given the rightto[theirs] speak at the marae after prolonged discussions. Usually only men are able to speak in powhiri.
She promised to continue meeting with Maori around the country.
“So when we return in one year, in three years, I ask you to ask us what we have done for you. Hold us to account. Because one day I want to be able to tell my child that I earned the right to stand here. And only you can tell me when I have done that.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-makes-historic-speech-at-waitangi/TOIAJPB77CTRLBHUOCRRLDC55E/

Jacinda Ardern has now gone with the wind, all tanked out after kicking the can down the road, or after biting off more than we could chew. But “I ask you to ask us what we have done for you”, you may have done the most for the Maori ēlite, rather than those at the coal face (if you can still say that), and you have filled their needs, with aspirations beyond the Treaty, despite Pita Sharples definitely defining the Treaty as the bounds of Government engagement with the Indigenous Rights Declaration, UNDRIP.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/national-govt-support-un-rights-declaration

Maori should preside over their waters, their taonga, but not over the delivery of public services. At the heart of “3 Waters” – ushered in without Election disclosure or public discussion – is Mana o te Wai, gushing with the purity of the essence of life itself, however with the Maori Advisory Council as “the first pou” (pillar) supporting public water services, that Council (the Trojan Hōihoe) gives Maori – with their Ao o Maori, religious world view – superiority over all other New Zealand ethnic groups.

Whether Jacinda thought that was a good idea, was misinformed or pressured, even “blackmailed” by the Maori Caucus and others, that superiority should now be taken away, and a few top jobs with it, causing sadness, frustration, anger, gnashing of the Three Headed Taniwha, loss of face, economic opportunity dashed and possible power dissolved.

“Hold us to account. Because one day I want to be able to tell my child that I earned the right to stand here”
You don’t, Jacinda, but you should be stood there – with more than a little shame
Not so cutie cute, Jacinda

David Seymour is not re-writing the Treaty, he is just keen to put the cat back in the bag – unpoke the tiger, so the country doesn’t go to the dogs. Pest-free New Zealand

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January 30, 2024 8:01am
- imalwaysright
  
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  ‘Jacinda Ardern has now gone with the wind’
  
  “Frankly, Aotearoa, I don’t give a damn!”
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:08am
- krazykiwi
  
  “Hold us to account. Because one day I want to be able to tell my child that I earned the right to stand here”
  
  Integrity-free politicians such as Ardern have learned that the political upside from noble declarations made today to the adoring are more valuable than consequences of those words later being recognised vacuous piffle. The media enable this phenomenon by refusing to hold socialist/neo-Marxist power to account.
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:17am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Jacinda is a weak person. Undoubtedly, she crumbled in the face of her Maori caucus.
  
  Which is why she was utterly unsuited to be PM.
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:49am
- julesnzuk
  
  Was that when she couldn’t even say what the articles of the Treaty of Waitangi were? I learnt them in School C history. She is an ignoramus and was totally out of her depth. Only there because she fitted NZ’s preferred (even if no one will admit it) image of a good little submissive woman.
  
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  January 31, 2024 6:23am
slightlyrighty

https://centrist.co.nz/wildly-different-treatment-of-golriz-ghahraman-versus-sam-uffindell/?utm_source=mailchimp-email&utm_medium=email

While I suspect the comparison has already been made, it bears repeating.

You can also include the Kiri Allen saga in this….
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January 30, 2024 8:02am
- farbeyond
  
  It works different for the left. The left is to be judged by their good intentions.
  
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  January 30, 2024 10:30am
Chuck Bird

It looks like the Liar in the Lodge’s honeymoon is over.

Anthony Albanese Booed At Australian Open

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z5DeMmXN_k
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January 30, 2024 8:02am
kiwikidsnz

Over the approx term of the last Labour Govt the number of children abused while in care of the Govt (Ministry for Children / Oranga Tamariki) increased 60% to 9% of the approx 6000 children in care (= 540 kids = 10/wk).

OT has approx 5000 staff., nearly 1/kid.

The Govt have just ensured they are accountable for investigating themselves with Labours disestablishment of the Children’s Commissioner.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018923862/oranga-tamariki-report-shows-more-children-harmed-in-its-care

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/492469/new-monitor-promises-to-be-vigilant-over-oranga-tamariki
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January 30, 2024 8:04am
- Matt Long
  
  The important thing here is that they are fluent in Te Reo, and if they have a miniscule amount of Maaori blood they’re placed with Maaori caregivers rather than people from the other 99% of their ancestry.
  Hey we might break a few eggs , but we’ve got to do the critical right thing racially.
  
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  January 30, 2024 8:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And some of the abusers were Oranga Tamariki staff
  
  Dickson said the report found 40 instances where children had been harmed by OT staff, which included a broad range of harm.
  
  But she did not confirm whether all employees involved in those instances were still working at Oranga Tamariki when asked, instead saying that the appropriate process is followed which may result in staff no longer working there.
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/29/bleeding-lips-and-noses-more-children-harmed-in-ots-care/
  
  It doesn’t look like that Grand experiment of getting rid of the previous CEO has been a great success.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/01/oranga-tamariki-ceo-grainne-moss-resigns.html
  
  Perhaps the Maori Party should revisit its views on knowing what is best for our vulnerable children
  
  Māori Party co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer welcomed the news of Moss’ departure, saying her resignation was “the result of the continued strong pressure of the Māori Party”.
  
  “We have forced Oranga Tamariki into acknowledging the institutional racism,” she said.
  
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  January 30, 2024 8:29am
  - julesnzuk
    
    So giving it a fancy Maori name (that no one understands, thus further cutting it off from the public) hasn’t worked out for disadvantaged kids, then?
    
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    January 31, 2024 6:26am
Matt Long

You can see why this lady had to be fired, imagine making statements on your Facebook with 86 followers like the Free Covid Vaccines were funded by taxpayers.
We all know Jacinda and Hipkins paid out of their own pocket, and were at the head of the queue.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/507851/nurse-fired-over-anti-vax-posts-may-need-to-pay-20k
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January 30, 2024 8:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not passing the sniff test. There is a lot of arse covering going on here.
  
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  January 30, 2024 8:26am
  - imalwaysright
    
    The most dangerous aspect is the judge.
    They are supposed to apply the law, not enforce an ideology .
    
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    January 30, 2024 11:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      For the salary they get, they are not doing a good job.
      Did Pfizer and Moderna etc pay the Judges off too? Would not surprise me one bit.
      
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      January 30, 2024 1:54pm
- Ghost
  
  This is a better article where you can see why she was fired
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nurse-fired-for-calling-vaccines-murderous-on-facebook-loses-era-case/SYY3L7FPZ3W4PMR2DCQLUKFJZI/
  
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  January 30, 2024 2:12pm
Opie

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/wellington-car-parking-overhaul-new-bilingual-meters-installed-to-replace-15m-sensors/VUMLPPWXC5CMJKDFSLO7TUT7KI/

Make it stop. Like seriously make it stop.

Is it possible to force the council to reveal the cost of installation, extra cost to give a Maori language option and then what percentage of people actually use the Maori option?

What’s next? Braille options on parking meters so blind drivers can use them too?

It’s time for the wgtn council to be disestablished.
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January 30, 2024 8:19am
- Ghost
  
  That’s nice, I guess it means they’ve fixed all the water pipes and now have spare cash to waste.
  
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  January 30, 2024 8:23am
  - Opie
    
    They should contact citizens advice bureau for a free budgeting lesson.
    
    Let’s put it this way.
    
    When you are broke, you don’t go and buy a new bbq when the current one still works, and then order a bunch of fillet steak that no one is going to eat. The only way that makes sense is to a drunk millionaire spending someone else’s money.
    
    Interestingly enough, I parked in the middle of Wellington recently. Had my choice of parking spots and restaurants were empty.
    
    The city is dying big time, but I’m sure giving a Maori language option on the parking meters will really attract people back in.
    
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    January 30, 2024 9:36am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  I would imagine the additional cost of providing the option to read the instructions in te reo is little more than a rounding error in the cost of the replacement exercise as a whole. It would, however, be interesting to know whether the machines individually or collectively have the capacity to record and report how many users actually select the te reo option
  
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  January 30, 2024 8:25am
  - Opie
    
    You obviously haven’t seen the businesses set up purely to translate everyday stuff to Maori along with the creation of new words (ask tvnz how much they paid for Wikiti on the cricket coverage) and the invoices they create. Then there are the release parties once they fart out a new made up sentence.
    
    It’s largesse like you cant fathom, all paid for by us for no purpose and no return
    
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    January 30, 2024 9:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No consideration for the other 160 culture in NZ, just Maori. Why?
  The cost has to be disclosed, it is PUBLIC money.
  
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  January 30, 2024 8:29am
- Inandout
  
  Opie, if the meter is stuck on Maori then that would be a defence in Court.
  
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  January 30, 2024 8:31am
- graham
  
  Is it possible to force the council to reveal the cost of installation, extra cost to give a Maori language option and then what percentage of people actually use the Maori option?
  
  Exactly. I’d like to think that when extra money is spent on such initiatives, follow-up is then done to determine just often the option is used.
  
  Countdown introduced an option on their self-checkouts whereby customers can use the Maori language in late 2022. More than a year on, I can’t help but wonder what proportion of people actually avail themselves of this facility. Surely Countdown must have the stats on this.
  
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  January 30, 2024 8:46am
  - Matt Long
    
    The billion dollar write down of NZ assets is coincidence.
    https://insideretail.co.nz/2024/01/29/woolworths-flags-nz1-7-billion-writedown-in-first-half/#:~:text=Woolworths%20flagged%20weaker%20performance%20of%20its%20New,first%20half%20of%20the%20current%20fiscal%20year.
    
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    January 30, 2024 10:03am
- Maggie's partner
  
  One can only imagine some of the responses that the meters might generate:
  Give me more money bro
  You can’t park there, there’s a rahui on that spot so my auntie can park there
  Maori pokies, bro, money only goes in
  
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  January 30, 2024 8:48am
  - Opie
    
    If you select Maori and you look white the fee goes up significantly…
    
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    January 30, 2024 9:56am
- peterwn
  
  And there is BS in Council press releases on this. Council claims it is replacing the existing system with new technology. However ‘pay by plate’ systems have been feasible technology for quite some years, there does not seem to be any ‘new technology’ in the new ‘pay by plate’ system despite what the Council claims. It seems the previous system with sensors at each parking spot was a failure so needed to be replaced.
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:38am
- kowtow
  
  The democratic principle of “the rule of law” is all about accountability .
  
  That is the accountability of those who are in charge / who make decisions about our money , our lives ,our rights can be held to account by us , the citizen.
  
  Without that accountability ,there is no rule of law and therefore a cornerstone of democracy is missing.
  
  We are slipping into third world stuff here .
  
  ( that’s another reason race seats at council are undemocratic , they are not responsible to ratepayer voters , they are responsible to whatever body “appointed” them)
  
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  January 30, 2024 10:56am
Damocles11

The ‘Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi’ are a malignancy sitting at the heart of our country. These completely invented ‘principles’ are eroding away our democratic freedom like acid eating through metal. If you want to get a job in the public service, you must commit to the ‘principles’ of ‘Te Tiriti’, even if you do not believe in them. Even if you believe that the Treaty is to be taken as it was written. Even if you believe, like the Kiingi: “there are no principles, there is only the Treaty”. This directive that you must hold the same belief as the state is akin to refusing to hire someone if they don’t believe on God, or of they are an atheist. Or if they believe in the free market. Or if they believe in social justice. The right to hold a different political view is fundamental. We cannot be mandated by the state to believe in what it tells us to. That is state coercion at its most tyrannical, and impinges on our fundamental human rights.
The public service has become deeply politicised, and is becoming more so by the day. The directive that employees must commit to the ‘principles’ of Te Tiriti’ acts as a gatekeeper to keep out free thinkers and people who are not aligned to the prevailing co-governance clique that has captured the bureaucracy. It is deeply wrong and against everything that a healthy democracy should be.
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January 30, 2024 8:22am
- Grunter
  
  It’s not just the public service. Most multinationals, and even NZ-owned corporates are being forced down the ESG/Global Boiling/Left-is-best/Woke/Must-speak-Maori pathway.
  
  Just one example – banks now require businesses to have an ESG program (the UN & WEF of course have a checklist you can use).
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Idiot Geoffrey Palmer introduced the first 5 deliberately non-defining Principles in 1989. Nobody has asked “Please Explain” from him. (And nobody ever will.)
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:10am
Matt Long

As well as many UNRWA workers actually taking part in the seven ten attack, and teaching how to hate Jews and be terrorists in their schools for a number of years, about half of UNRWA employees in Gaza have strong ties Hamas.
Actually, I would be surprised if it weren’t nearly all of them. Hamas is the ruling power in Gaza, therefore to get access to the spoils from UNRWA; food, goods, money, power, you would need to have strong links to Hamas as well as paying kickbacks to the leaders.
https://x.com/HillelNeuer/status/1751955667035025729?s=20
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January 30, 2024 8:22am
- Blackbob
  
  That’s pretty much the average persons option in any society. Belonging to the ruling party in authoritarian states is a life necessity in most cases. Figuring out the actual criminals vs the just want a job to feed my family people is the real issue. The US made a big mistake in Iraq after OIF forcing all the B’ath party members in govt jobs ( the jobs required that membership) out to be replaced by people who didn’t know how to run the place.
  
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  January 30, 2024 8:36am
- Piniwi
  
  Lol and now Auntie Helen has said not to stop the funding NZ wastes on UNRWA. But she would wouldn’t she or it might effect income stream.
  
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  January 30, 2024 10:00am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Auntie Helen running a charity is like Stalin running a holiday camp.
    
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    January 30, 2024 11:09am
  - Che Guava
    
    Is there any evidence for these claims other than “Israeli intelligence sources,” or is this another “just trust me bro” claim? Should reasonable people take the word of the Israelis as to the goings on in and around Hamas, when the Israelis are literally engaged in a military campaign (and therefore an information war) against Hamas?
    
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    January 30, 2024 6:51pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Just like the NZ public service, then. Kowtow to the prevailing shibboleths, or no job for you, sunshine.
  
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  January 30, 2024 5:30pm
- Che Guava
  
  “The information in the intelligence reports—based on what an official described as very sensitive signals intelligence as well as cellphone tracking data, interrogations of captured Hamas fighters and documents recovered from dead militants, among other things—were [sic] part of a briefing given by Israel to U.S. officials that led Washington and others to suspend aid to Unrwa.”
  
  https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/at-least-12-u-n-agency-employees-involved-in-oct-7-attacks-intelligence-reports-say-a7de8f36
  
  So it is the Israelis themselves who say that UNRWA employees have strong ties to Hamas, based on intelligence reports prepared by Israel?
  
  Good grief: can’t you see that there’s a very large and obvious credibility issue here, given that Israel is a combatant? They have every reason to tell porkies, as opposed to some neutral source without any skin in the game.
  
  You’ll all reject out of hand the credibility of casualty data on account of it coming from one of the self-interested combatants, yet you’ll believe anything the Israelis claim even though they are similarly a self-interested combatant.
  
  World opinion is sharply against Israel, and they’re up for war crimes at the ICJ, so they have every reason to just make shit up to desperately make themselves look even slightly better.
  
  If someone can find a source for this story that doesn’t cite “Israeli intelligence sources” as the basis for these claims, then I might start to believe the claims are credible.
  
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  January 30, 2024 6:38pm
kevn

Missed this in NZ media. US borders. French Net Zero as well.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mess-west-army-god-convoy-heads-us-border-while-eu-farmers-block-cities
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January 30, 2024 8:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ media would never report on that. 700,000 vehicles to the US border? Might get the Groundswell people all excited.
  Nope, best make up shit on Seymour rewriting the Treaty.//
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:32am
  - MCōs
    
    What 700,000 vehicles?
    I had a quick look at FoxNews
    Nothing
    
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    January 30, 2024 12:16pm
    - kevn
      
      mcos… https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mess-west-army-god-convoy-heads-us-border-while-eu-farmers-block-cities
      
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      January 30, 2024 1:36pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Best look on CNN then. Oh, you should not just have a quick look, you can search Fox. Did you know that??
      Is your internet thingy broken? or maybe TV1 ewes did not report it!
      
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      January 30, 2024 2:05pm
Maggie Pie

Eventhough I’ve been sworn to secrecy, what I can tell you, is our neighbor at the beach told us over the weekend that someone from the Greens will be resigning today.

Interesting day ahead…..
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January 30, 2024 8:38am
- Damocles11
  
  Shaw?
  
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  January 30, 2024 8:47am
- kevn
  
  Maggie… shaw. Surely.
  
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  January 30, 2024 8:48am
  - MCōs
    
    It can’t be Shaw because that’s not a secret
    
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    January 30, 2024 8:53am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    That’s exactly what ‘The Hosk’ just said!
    
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    January 30, 2024 8:53am
    - kevn
      
      Maggie… hmmm, chloe (not the one from Tawa) might sense a potential turn of events.
      
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      January 30, 2024 9:08am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Lynn of Tawa
        Chloe of Wainui (omata)
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/76922114/where-is-chloe-from-wainui-now-and-what-became-of-her-slippers
        
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        January 30, 2024 9:20am
- RalphT
  
  Only one? Sigh. Can you get your neighbour to predict a few more resignations?
  
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  January 30, 2024 8:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I can think of one who is not doing a good job. Hint, the person is not with the Green commies!
    
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    January 30, 2024 2:10pm
- Yabster
  
  well in David Seymour’s state of the nation speech (worth a read) he said James Shaw will resign -leaving the greens without and environmental politicians- all identity politics.
  
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  January 30, 2024 8:49am
  - Jack5
    
    Seymour speaking on Treaty issue at the Platform this morning.
    
    “Nine months to a Parliamentary committee reports back … let’s give it nine months”.
    
    https://youtu.be/xB-ghD8qqzQ?si=MAOB2-ggyx2aoEyi
    
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    January 30, 2024 11:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Please, the crazy Julie Anne Genter.
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:35am
  - Matt Long
    
    “In a world first the Green Party of New Zealand has elected as co leader a member of the LGBT community. New Zealand was the first country to give women the vote said cis female co leader Marama Davidson, she/her, and once again the greens are proud to lead the world.
    Former green party co leader James Shaw ?/? has been appointed climate ambassador for New Zealand, by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, sporting a strange new shaven haired androgynous style.
    We’re waiting for a spot to open on the Climate Change Commission, Arden said.”
    
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    January 30, 2024 9:49am
In Vino Veritas

Chloe Swarbrick “we have seen real mis-and-disinformation whipped up online and that has meant that particularly women and women of colour in our Parliament have been the centre of those online maelstroms”. A couple of things. Firstly, perhaps Chloe has got this wrong. The “mis and dis” information isn’t, and just perhaps the women and women of colour are just inept and are being given stick because of that. Secondly, Chloe hasn’t bothered to let everyone know that males in parliament are equally subject to “online maelstroms”. Does anyone recollect the toxic crap that Key was subjected to? English? Brownlee? Joyce? The results of the actions of Allan and Gharaman have nothing to do with being women, or women of colour. Literally everyone that has made it beyond 30 has had something shitty happen in their life. There are 10’s of thousands of people who have made it to executive or high positions at their work who have had intolerable pressure heaped on them in spades. And the vast majority haven’t gone and gotten pissed, driven and crashed and then ran away from police, or shoplifted on multiple occasions.
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January 30, 2024 8:38am
- Taieri
  
  Does anyone recollect the toxic crap that Key was subjected to?
  ———-
  
  Does anyone recollect the toxic crap that Mallard and Wood were spouting?
  To give just a couple of examples…
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:15am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They never gave a shit when it happened to Bennet
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:21am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    G, there’s also the rappers, Home Brew, that made a song about killing Key and raping his daughter. From memory, Ardern said she liked their music.
    
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    January 30, 2024 12:33pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Has there ever been a worse case of mis-and-disinformation than the Australian bot farm attacks on Simon Bridges?
  
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  January 30, 2024 10:16am
- kowtow
  
  yeah well any time a “green” woman talks women’s rights ,just remember how they’re more than happy to side with the men who loaded broken women’s bodies onto stolen utes , to the cries of ‘god is great” .
  
  Murder ,rape , brutality , kidnapping , hostage taking , sexual , physical , mental torture .
  
  Women’s rights ?
  
  The hypocrisy is astounding.
  
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  January 30, 2024 11:03am
- miltonF
  
  “…women and women of colour in our Parliament have been the centre of those online maelstroms”.
  
  Clearly Chloe has never seen David Seymour’s Twitter page…
  
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  January 30, 2024 4:05pm
hullkiwi

This is a post for Erica and Alwyn and all the parents who agonise about the education of NZ’s next generation or our children. Why do we bother, when all I need to do do is look at the success of the modern crop of drop out influences.

First there is the angry 21 year old Swedish drop out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Thunberg

She of three soundbites
“The science is proven”
“Listen to the scientists”
And the best
“Blah, blah, blah”

Commands $250k per speaking engagement, and is worth $18mill.

Then there are Mr Beast & friends and Unspeakable.

Not one of these people have any discernible skills or qualifications except their inate ability to market their own brand of stipity to impressionable children and make vast sums of money.

Douglas Adams would be proud of this generation.
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January 30, 2024 8:44am
- imalwaysright
  
  “Not one of these people have any discernible skills or qualifications except their innate ability to market their own brand of stupidity to impressionable children and make vast sums of money.”
  
  That will be our previous government ?
  
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  January 30, 2024 11:29am
Maggy Wassilieff

Michael Bassett adds some interesting commentary to Barrie Saunder’s article on Treaty Principles

The government should face up to the fact that the Waitangi Tribunal has fulfilled its historical mission and needs to be hugely down-sized. Satan finds work for idle hands, and a considerable amount of Treaty meddling and theorising has been generated by legions of weak, under-occupied hands on the public payroll, searching for new ways of making their lives relevant – and paid by us to do so.

https://barriesaunders.com/2024/01/29/treaty-principles/
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January 30, 2024 8:50am
mandk

Hamas will be most gratified to hear that Helen Clark has made a plea for NZ to continue funding UNWRA.
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January 30, 2024 8:51am
- Biscuit
  
  Anyone else get the feeling that Auntie Helen is desperate to still appear relevant all these years after her time in the limelight?
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She is welcome to fund UNWRA. Actually, she can go and stay there.
  You are finished Clark, stop telling New Zealanders what to do. Piss off!
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:45am
  - Biscuit
    
    Not a word, heh, from AH as to how much she cops as a pension for her time working with the UN, Steve.
    
    Compromised, you think?
    
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    January 30, 2024 9:58am
    - mawm
      
      Or her wealth having had no tax to pay on her generous UN salary and all the allowances.
      
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      January 30, 2024 11:13am
Maggie Pie

And did you happen to get onto the earrings Debbie was wearing on telly?

‘DECOLONISE’

https://twitter.com/EvilArthurFleck/status/1751893219779219509

OMG….check out the comments 😀
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January 30, 2024 8:58am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Who the same Debbie (English name) who produced the black power sign over the holiday break
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:23am
  - Damocles11
    
    She is half Irish. (“Well, my dad was Hemi Ngarewa and he met this fiery Irish redhead, Colleen Cleasby, when she was 16. She had me at 17 and then my two brothers and a younger sister.”)
    
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    January 30, 2024 10:16am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      How old was Hemi at the time?
      
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      January 30, 2024 5:34pm
  - kowtow
    
    Specifics please.
    
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    January 30, 2024 11:05am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      If you are talking about her doing the black power sign, it was after the Rātana talks, she stood there after speaking to media hold her closed fist up after speaking
      
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      January 30, 2024 12:27pm
      - kowtow
        
        Could be the socialist clenched fist or feminist or just fisting……..
        
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        January 30, 2024 12:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I mentioned it yesterday. Only a racist could get away with that shit.
  If it wasn’t for the colonists she would not exist, but we won’t talk about that.
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:47am
  - Flossie
    
    Her Irish born mother must be sooo proud.
    
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    January 30, 2024 10:45am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      The Irony being that she probably has a greater argument for colonial mistreatment on her mother’s side.
      
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      January 30, 2024 11:14am
      - kowtow
        
        Really . The Irish had all the rights and liberties of any subject of the Crown.
        
        The myth of eternal universal victimhood needs to be killed off.
        
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        January 30, 2024 12:46pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @kowtow,
        Correct. Article Three in the Treaty:
        “In return for the c̳e̳s̳s̳i̳o̳n̳ of their sovereignty to the Queen, the people of New Zealand shall be protected by the Queen of England and the rights and privileges of British subjects will be granted to them.”
        
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        January 30, 2024 2:51pm
- I remember when
  
  “Decolonise”
  A fowl suggestion!
  
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  January 30, 2024 3:37pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Mags, as I’ve said before, Packer is too stupid to realise that she is one of the so called “colonisers” she is railing against. It’s hilarious that we now have people in Parliament who’s IQ’s are the same as their shoe size.
  
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  January 30, 2024 3:42pm
kiwikidsnz

“If the Coalition Agreement Stands, Wellington Will Cease to Exist as a City and become a Town, maybe a Village.”

https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/if-the-coalition-agreement-stands-wellington-will-cease-to-exist-as-a-city
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January 30, 2024 9:01am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Only if we’re very lucky, and even then it would still have the power of central government at its core, with all those politicians and bureaucrats.
  
  Fortunately there’s enough people in Wellington who apparently also want this so the destruction has progressed well to date.
  
  Unfortunately that also means a central government bailout in the future – because of all those politicians and bureaucrats.
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:19am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Heh. Also this from the article caused my heart to beat a little more quickly, even though I already knew it…
  
  What’s more, one of our biggest earthquake fault lines runs through the Treasury, Reserve Bank & Beehive in Wellington.
  
  What was that prayer some Americans used for the 2016 and 2020 elections (and 2024 and perhaps beyond): SMOD, be with me now
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:26am
- Grunter
  
  This is why the Left hate maths and real economists. It gives an answer that doesn’t fit their agenda.
  
  An excerpt from Down To Earth Kiwi should be followed by all politicians – but especially David Seymour and the Ministry of (De) Regulation…
  
  “So what is cost-benefit analysis? It is not simply calculating the ratio of the benefits to costs of a decision and choosing to spend money when the benefits exceed costs. No, it involves calculating those ratios for all prospective projects and ranking them from highest to lowest. Given a limited budget, one must select projects with the highest ratios until the budget is spent.”
  
  I’d suggest that if Seymour does a proper cost-benefit analysis, right down to 3rd, 4th & 5th level consequences – then there wouldn’t be many government regulations left. Happy Days!
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:31am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Well, we can but hope. Once the water is gone, the town will fail too – just like those ghost cities in South America. No water, no people.
  
  Only NZ could achieve that in a place with abundant rainfall, but hey, its a gift!
  
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  January 30, 2024 9:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wellington is a City? Who knew?
  I thought it was a socialist hovel.//
  
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  January 30, 2024 2:53pm
Notsofast

The Guardian turns on a dime, possibly after running out of misguided women to campaign in favour of sharing their sports and facilities with autogynephiles. Will New Zealand female journalists explore this curious notion this year?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/28/jo-phoenix-open-university-court-victory-gender-sex-based-womens-rights
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January 30, 2024 9:20am
- Swifty
  
  An excellent column – and so, so important.
  
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  January 30, 2024 10:36am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Yeah, but still lacking in self-awareness,,,
  
  How on earth did a university set up to democratise access to learning and the exchange of ideas get captured in this way?
  
  Because it was taken over by the ideology that the Guardian has always embraced but whose totalitarian requirements are always ignored until your own are being put up against the wall. Key response phrase:
  
  If only Stalin knew
  
  Fucktards, made worse with the next line…
  
  It is partly a tale of how the bullying of women speaking about their sex-based rights is given an acceptable gloss through a self-described “progressive” cause that would be better described as authoritarian in its threat to get with its beliefs…
  
  Don’t put it in quotes sweeties; it is progressive in all its features (see above), not just “progressive” when it turns on you. Progressive ideology is always authoritarian; it has to be in order to work because the way it wants people to cooperate doesn’t fit with human nature. Sooner or later force is required, and progressives always easily slide into that – right up until they become the target, at which point (say it with me again)….
  
  If only Stalin knew
  
  One more thing, part of the reason Prof Jo Phoenix won was that she is a lesbian. What are the odds that a White Male would have, even less so were he a Christian.
  
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  January 30, 2024 11:52am
Ghost

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon said New Zealand’s funding to the UN Relief and Works Agency wouldn’t be signed off until Foreign Minister Winston Peters was satisfied it was appropriate to continue contributing to the aid operation after alleged links between 12 of its staffers and Hamas.

Article

Someone won’t be happy

Former UN administrator and ex-New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark is urging the Government to not withhold funding from the under-fire UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) after some of its staff members allegedly took part in Hamas’ attack on Israel in October.

Article
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January 30, 2024 9:31am
- mogg
  
  Sounds like Winston has put his foot down again, and quite right too.
  
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  January 30, 2024 10:15am
Chuck Bird

Energy Talking Points by Alex Epstein

https://alexepstein.substack.com/p/bidens-lng-pause-a-deadly-fraud?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=513601&post_id=141146235&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1p69qr&utm_medium=email
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January 30, 2024 9:37am
Swifty

“So is David Seymour’s race baiting racist redneck banjo twanging cross burning culture war revenge fantasy Treaty Principles Referendum divisive?”

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2024/01/30/so-is-david-seymours-race-baiting-racist-redneck-banjo-twanging-cross-burning-culture-war-revenge-fantasy-treaty-principles-referendum-divisive/#google_vignette

Bradbury really does fancy himself doesn’t he?
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January 30, 2024 9:44am
- lifesgood
  
  He needs help. Seriously!
  
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  January 30, 2024 10:42am
- Damocles11
  
  Bradbury is cartoonish, he just blurts out all the crazy stuff most Leftists have running through their heads.
  
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  January 30, 2024 10:57am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I like a bit of banjo music, me.
  
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  January 30, 2024 5:37pm
- julesnzuk
  
  Bradbury is unhinged.
  
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  January 31, 2024 6:38am
Maggie Pie

I’ve signed.

Mind you, no matter what these leftard imbeciles keep coming up with, we’ll always be referring to them as…. “woman, mother, and babys”

https://petitions.parliament.nz/6e261231-b54c-4a00-a98c-08dc109c0ada
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January 30, 2024 9:49am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Signed.
  
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  January 30, 2024 10:01am
- Clyde
  
  Signed
  
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  January 30, 2024 10:29am
- Ghost
  
  Here is the last feedback on the proposal
  
  https://www.midwiferycouncil.health.nz/common/Uploaded%20files/Consultations/Te%20Tatou%20o%20Te%20Whare%20Kahu%20Second%20Round%20Feedback%20March%202023.pdf
  
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  January 30, 2024 10:37am
  - mandk
    
    The feedback shows 15 positive responses to the proposal, compared to 363 negative responses.
    
    Never mind, we just need to keep pandering to the wishes of the batshit crazy fringe.
    
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    January 30, 2024 11:22am
  - Taieri
    
    The sheer volume of stupidity in this publication beats the most fantastic scenarios. What useful purpose does it serve? Who employs these people and for what purpose?
    
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    January 30, 2024 11:24am
- Notsofast
  
  Signed
  
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  January 30, 2024 10:39am
- mawm
  
  Surely that should be “Midpersonary Council” or “Midspousery Council” or even “Midpartnerary Council”.
  
  This all just gets too confusing. Where do I include the transgendered or do they fall under the psychiatric council?
  
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  January 30, 2024 11:23am
- Jethrod
  
  Signed last week
  
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  January 30, 2024 1:05pm
- PurplePen
  
  Also have signed. How ridiculous
  
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  January 30, 2024 10:54pm
Maggie Pie

“Nearly ten-percent of children put into care by Oranga Tamariki have been harmed”

– ZBNews
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January 30, 2024 10:07am
- cmm
  
  Is that all?
  
  I only know a few people who have been through the system. None of them had an easy ride.
  
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  January 30, 2024 3:10pm
Damocles11

The sight of Luxon whimpering in front of journalists is nauseating. Ardern had them seated and indicated who was to ask a question, with Luxon it’s a frenzied pack yelling questions at him – often the same one over and over again. If he cannot control the ‘journo-vists’ then what hope to we have of him getting the better of the separatists and the Leftist moles in the public service?
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January 30, 2024 10:38am
- Ghost
  
  Nothing wrong with his pressers, they are how they normally go. Even those non labour patsy questioners went the same way. You’re creating a problem where there isn’t one.
  
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  January 30, 2024 11:08am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  He just needs to adopt the ‘Jessica, then Tova’ approach. Works like a charm, apparently.
  
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  January 30, 2024 5:39pm
Paulus

Today the BOP Times has a full front page, and half the next, with headlines that a Nurse for Whakatane Hospital, with 5 years experience, has been abused and sworn at etc.
Big deal, and in the normal course of events, I would be sympathetic until I see that she is the Union Representative for the Nurses Union and of course Maori – but that is Whakatane and surrounds
So I must ask myself what the hell – who has put her up to his usual. BOP Times fiasco
Middle pages, beside another colour cartoon I cannot understand, is a full page of ante Government, as usual by Shane Te Pou, who of course is at least identified as a Labour Activist.
Who pays him ?
And that is New Zealand balanced Media Party paper.
Would cancel but wife needs crosswords daily.
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January 30, 2024 10:50am
- kevn
  
  Paulus… Interesting to read who her clientele/patients are. She is a nurse specialist for maori children and it appears it is the families of these children who are the nasty.
  As reported in the Horrid originally (screen saved to confirm) but edited out for this BOP Times version.
  ‘Parents’ being called out must be unpleasant.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/assaults-on-te-whatu-ora-staff-rising-in-bay-of-plenty-nurse-calls-for-long-term-increase-of-security-guards/XYTK34S5X5FSHAT2O2NBD43TKU/
  
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  January 30, 2024 11:07am
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    Born and brought up in Whakatane 76 years ago, but wouldn’t touch it now with a forty foot barge pole with a health inspector on the end.
    
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    January 30, 2024 1:10pm
    - kevn
      
      Jethrod… Compared to where now?
      
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      January 30, 2024 1:34pm
      - Jethrod
        
        Auckland and Hawkes Bay
        
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        January 30, 2024 4:10pm
- lifesgood
  
  Paulus, teach her to do her crosswords on line. I do and haven’t bought a newspaper in years.
  
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  January 30, 2024 1:42pm
mandk

Free shop in Porirua forced to close because of feral behaviour:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/01/abuse-and-threats-force-porirua-free-for-all-store-to-close.html

Sad, but predictable.
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January 30, 2024 10:51am
- newview
  
  Mandk I read that article and found it bewildering. It’s the same mentality that sees nurses and doctors abused while trying to help. I can’t explain the behaviour and believe these people have lost all social skills and the ability to work out who is on their side. How to change that I don’t know.
  
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  January 30, 2024 11:41am
  - MCōs
    
    A small minority of people . . . . . .
    
    As I’ve said here before we teach our kids to grab what they can with that old favourite, the lolly scramble
    My father and I were watching one one day & he told me he hated them
    It reminded him of his time as a POW during WWII when they were so hungry he saw some of his mates fighting over scraps of food
    
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    January 30, 2024 12:27pm
Ghost

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350161546/live-green-party-make-major-announcement
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January 30, 2024 10:51am
rockape

With Shaw gone the Green Party vote will collapse.
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January 30, 2024 11:03am
- Ghost
  
  With Shaw gone, the greens become more dangerous.
  
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  January 30, 2024 11:05am
  - newview
    
    Or ridiculous
    
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    January 30, 2024 12:11pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  I hope Collins goes for the leadership. It’s always fun seeing him accuse everyone around him of being racist.
  
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  January 30, 2024 11:43am
- cmm
  
  Maybe they will beat eachother to death with stolen handbags.
  
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  January 30, 2024 11:46am
- NothingLeft
  
  Greens are the party of young dumb (or economically insulated) women:
  
  Greens 12.5
  
  All Women 15.5
  Women 50 8.5
  
  All Men 9
  Men 50 8.5
  
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  January 30, 2024 12:30pm
  - mogg
    
    The Greens have captured the ever growing radical protest vote, getting rid of Shaw will consolidate that position. Chloe and her well practiced Woke newspeak will be front and centre of Green opinion which is now much in demand by all media.
    
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    January 30, 2024 3:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

I will be right into this. I will also be looking for any corruption from the Public Sector, the radical left scum that will try to stop submissions. Face it, the deadwood has been in the Public Sector for decades.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/what-must-our-imperative-be-for-the-next-12-months/?
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January 30, 2024 11:55am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Luxon ducking and diving on the Principles.
He has to realise that even though National got more votes there is still a Coalition.
He can not make captain’s calls like Ardern did. Luxon and National are National or Labour Lite? Luxon was put there for a reason – to get rid of SOCIALISM!!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/luxon-seymour-divided-over-treaty-partnership/ar-BB1hrQQJ
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January 30, 2024 1:16pm
- Grunter
  
  Luxon is a real worry IMO
  He is essentially saying that it is “divisive” to;
  
  1. Have a vote (referendum) – which is true, of course it is! So does that mean we get rid of all votes/elections?
  
  AND,
  2. If you think it is bad to DIVIDE people up based on their part-Maori heritage vs no part-Maori heritage, then that makes you DIVISIVE.
  
  He just makes no sense in what he says. I wonder what he is really thinking, I just wish he would tell us. He is not dumb.
  
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  January 30, 2024 2:14pm
- Ghost
  
  It’s not his policy, not up to him to sell, it’s up to act. The coliation agreement is only to select committee, anything more than that is up to Seymour and those submitting to show a case for. No one voted national because of acts policy.
  
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  January 30, 2024 2:21pm
  - Grunter
    
    Ghost – once again, I totally agree, the Nats clearly campaigned on “we don’t think a referendum is helpful – it’s too divisive”
    
    All I’m saying is that it is a dumb reason to give for not coming out and supporting a referendum that is all about not wanting to create race divisions.
    
    It’s too divisive to not want contrived race divisions….. it is word soup that makes no sense.
    
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    January 30, 2024 2:54pm
  - newview
    
    Exactly. The bill will give the opportunity for public submissions that will show what the public think about it. Luxon will react to public opinion. Even though we might want a referendum it could be political suicide without knowing the public is behind it. Judge him on his reaction to public opinion.
    
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    January 30, 2024 3:01pm
  - MCōs
    
    In my opinion it’s a mistake to let Act get a foot in the door on Treaty issues, as they define them
    Either the Nats are for whatever Act is proposing or against, not some wishy washy, non committal halfway house
    If the public was behind Act they would have given them a lot more support at the last election
    
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    January 30, 2024 3:14pm
    - newview
      
      I believe what you say is true but the voters may not have thought this would turn into such an issue so soon. Seymour wants this debated and most likely felt to be up front it should be done around Waitangi Day. If that’s the case he certainly got everyone’s attention.
      
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      January 30, 2024 3:27pm
    - greybeard
      
      Read “Newview’s” response above at 3:01pm.
      
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      January 30, 2024 3:28pm
- thirteenstars
  
  In the House just now Luxon has congratulated the retiring James Shaw on the Net Zero legislation saying it will be an enduring and important legacy.
  
  Luxon is a true blue-green Teal.
  
  He also quipped that it was a shame the Green Party was losing its last true environmentalist.
  
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  January 30, 2024 3:34pm
  - kowtow
    
    Across the west there’s a growing resentment at and and realisation that ‘net zero” is a load of bollocks .
    
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    January 30, 2024 4:05pm
  - Albie
    
    Thirteenstars-Now that James Offshore has gone they may as well come clean and rebrand themselves The New Zealand Communist Party. I’ll leave it up to others to translate that into Manglish, but you get the drift.
    
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    January 30, 2024 5:21pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    “the Net Zero legislation saying it will be an enduring and important legacy”
    
    Then Luxon is a moron. Net Zero is a neo-Marxist fantasy and Luxon is clearly deeply smitten by it.
    
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    January 30, 2024 5:58pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

If you were really serious about exchanging Wedding Vows, why would you chose to have someone deliver them who arrives at the wedding venue dressed like Captain Pugwash?

Asking for one of the soon-to-be-married girls from tennis who believes it would be nothing more than a big sham.
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January 30, 2024 3:11pm
- Ghost
  
  You mean like the groom and some others he turned up in clothes showing how hot the day was? Don’t worry once the photos are in the woman’s mag you will find him wearing a suit
  
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  January 30, 2024 3:32pm
Maggie Pie

I have no idea what it’s like in other big citys around New Zealand, but what we see here sooo reminds me of shopping @ Mt Roskill.

https://twitter.com/RadioGenoa/status/1752041332070142359
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January 30, 2024 3:51pm
- MCōs
  
  I don’t believe for one moment you go shopping in Mt Roskill except for Asian food at one of the supermarkets along Dominion Rd that my wife frequents or maybe the French bakery
  Half the population of suburb is Asian and almost all the rest is pakeha
  
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  January 30, 2024 4:52pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You better believe it cossie. Best Indian Supermarket in Auckland located in heart of deepest darkest Stoddard Rd.
    I travel there 3 or 4 times a year for the finest tea herbs spices roti gulab jaman amla and fresh made naan. The array of asian groceries is mind blowing.
    (Always steer clear of the hallal butchery.)
    
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    January 30, 2024 5:04pm
    - Swifty
      
      I go to Lotus on occasion.
      
      Quite good.
      
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      January 30, 2024 5:56pm
    - MCōs
      
      Stoddard Rd is in Wesley
      
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      January 30, 2024 7:44pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        WTF? …that would be like you saying if someone asked you where lived that you know people from Remmers.
        
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        January 30, 2024 8:05pm
  - Swifty
    
    Hell MCos, there’d be thousands of Roskill PI families who would not agree with you.
    
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    January 30, 2024 5:57pm
    - MCōs
      
      15.5% Pacific people. That was about 2,700 in 2018
      
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      January 30, 2024 7:55pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Friend of mine noted thieves at work in the Mt Roskill Countdown recently. They walked out with trolley full of meat. He managed to drag half a trolley full of the meat away as they threatened him and took off.
  Countdown response was quite underwhelming. All they do is add the ‘shrinkage’ cost to pricing to keep profits up.
  I told him they would have been more concerned with his well-being. There was potential for a nasty outcome.
  
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  January 30, 2024 6:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Did you see on 3Ewes tonite the Supermarket owner in Sydney get stabbed over a jar of Nuttela?
    
    She got bail becos she’s 6 months preggers.
    I would have ordered an immediate abortiion.
    More of them on the streets in a few years 🙁
    
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    January 30, 2024 7:00pm
    - Souvlaki
      
      You ” lapsed” Maggie?😉🤣
      
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      January 30, 2024 8:35pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  50%+ of the London Population are not Brits.
  
  Many areas of the major cities are no go areas for Poms.
  
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  January 30, 2024 7:18pm
Swifty

“Wellington have no authority in the rohe of Ngati Kahu……”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CLfklA4e_94

Delusional.

And a stinking hypocrite I bet – when his kids get sick, will he travel on publicly-funded roads to publicly-funded doctors and nurses working at our publicly-funded hospitals and using publicly-funded drugs and treatments?

Of course he will.

A total clown.
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January 30, 2024 4:16pm
Swifty

Memory loss or a filthy liar who wants to escape responsibility for what she did?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350162570/woman-knocked-man-motorbike-then-ran-over-him
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January 30, 2024 4:50pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/350162772/ninety-year-old-vacuum-retailer-godfreys-enters-voluntary-administration
Man, that sucks.
They must have been clean out of ideas to preserve their company.
So many badly-run businesses go down the tubes.
But, over the last 90 years they would have hoovered up millions of dollars from customers, so in the end all is well !
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January 30, 2024 6:49pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Piss*d off tbh.
  Last year I gave our clening lady my credit card to by the vaccie of her choice to have here wghen she comes.
  We ended up woth a Wertheim7 from Godferys…. now she tells me the bags are not available 🙁
  
  Once again its down to that Jacinda.
  
  SHEESH!!
  
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  January 30, 2024 7:21pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/350162538/theres-one-word-travellers-are-going-hear-lot-year
Funny, that !
I would have thought the most-heard words will be:
“Hey Bro ! Gimme your money or you won’t be going any further “.
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January 30, 2024 6:56pm
NZer In Exile

Valentina Zharkova (PhD AstroPhysics): “In next 30 yrs, global warming probably will be last thing in our mind”

https://rumble.com/v1ugpg9-42-valentina-zharkova-in-next-30-yrs-global-warming-prob.-will-be-last-thin.html

So as the climate grifter-idiot complex screws over our energy supplies, the world is likely to get colder (like, the Thames river freezing over colder) post 2025. What could go wrong?

Meanwhile China is going gangbusters installing coal and nuclear plants. Perhaps they know what’s ahead???
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