Andrea Vance looks at John Key on the international stage. First an amusing tidbit:

A few years ago, Key was on an official trip to the tiny Pacific Island state of the Marshall Islands, and he had some down time. A local fisherman invited him out for some ocean fishing.

But Key was expecting a call from David Cameron, so he took a satellite phone out.

Just minutes before the scheduled call, he hooked a tuna. As he fought to bring the big fish on board, Cameron called – and was bemused by the noise in the background. Asking what it was, Key explained he was out fishing.

A bemused Cameron replied: “Oh, to be leader of a small Pacific island nation.”

Heh.

“Obama tends to be pretty wonky. Key is less wonky than Obama but he can go there, so he has the vocabulary and the interests to dig deep into fiscal and social policy. Obama loves that level of discussion … I think Key is less that but he is a good reader of people – he is a very effective politician in that sense.”

Bower predicts Air Force One will touch down here before Obama’s term ends in 2016. “The White House has people looking at what countries he hasn’t been to…New Zealand is seen as a real friend. I think it is on his mind and if it is possible he really will.”

Key gained respect in Washington business and policy circles as defence and security ties with Wellington improved, Bower says. “Key has been fundamental in pushing that through. In Washington, he would get very high marks…he can talk about ISIS, China, South East Asia with a granularity – not all leaders have that capability.

For some reason some people think Key is not a detail person. He generally delegates to Ministers and doesn’t interfere, but he has a very detailed knowledge of what is happening in pretty much all areas.

In August, Key embarked on a round of speed-dialling to close the TPP deal. His charm alone was not enough to persuade other leaders to give ground on dairy tariffs in recent negotiations.  Canada, in particular, was immovable and the talks stalled.

If they were not on the verge of an election campaign, we may have got somewhere.

Outside of New Zealand, Australia is where Key has his biggest fans. Business leaders and conservative politicians respect his reforming agenda, Australian Financial Review journalist Luke Malpass says. “Raising GST in Australia is abominably difficult and he did it with barely a blink – and of course the big one is balancing the budget. “

He also has appeal for ordinary voters. “Australian politicians surround themselves with a phalanx of advisors, are very inaccessible and talk almost exclusively in soundbites. Key is quite a straight talker, he answers questions.”

As I said in my op ed, Key does multiple media stand ups a week, and many of his public functions also allow questions from the audience.  He is incredibly accessible.

The Washington Post reports:

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is suspending his presidential campaign Monday, according to several Republicans briefed on his plans, effectively ending a once-promising GOP presidential bid that collapsed amid tepid debate performances and other missteps. He planned to speak to reporters at a 5 p.m. CT press conference in Madison, Wis.

Walker, had enjoyed from top-tier status when he launched his bid earlier this year, had seen his candidacy wilt in the heat of a summer dominated by Donald Trump.

Walker’s backers saw a campaign discombobulated by Trump’s booming popularity and by his provocative language on immigration, China and other issues. They saw in Walker a candidate who — in contrast to the discipline he showed in state races — continued to commit unforced errors, either out of lack of preparation or in an attempt to grab part of the flamboyant businessman’s following.

Walker had great promise. He was probably my preferred candidate as he actually had a track record of governing, and stood up to the unions.

But the combination of a poor campaign and the Trump circus saw him fade away. He was at just 1% in the most recent poll.

His withdrawal is significant, more so than the earlier one of Rick Perry. Perry was always a favourite son candidate only. But Walker was one of three establishment candidates who were front-runners – along with Bush and Rubio.

I don’t see Trump or Carson getting the nomination. Both say too many stupid things. It doesn’t dent their core support, but it means they are unlikely to get a majority of Republican delegates voting for them.

Fiorina is on a rise, and credible. She could attack Hillary like no-one else can. But her record at HP is a millstone that can sink her, as it has in the past.

My pick at the moment would be Rubio. His youth and energy would be a counter to Hillary, and he is really really smart. Has become a real expert on foreign policy. However his downside is his lack of governing experience.

Bush is okay, and has a great record as governor. My worry is Bush vs Clinton will go the same way as 1992.

Winston recently said we should only let in female refugees and children, and send the men back to fight in Syria. He seemsto think women can’t and don’t fight in wars.

Well read this report from Time Magazine:

A colorful scarf is all that is left of Cicek Derek, who was 17 when she died a few months ago in the besieged city of Kobani, Syria, where her compatriots were unable to retrieve her body.

Cicek was one of hundreds of young Kurdish female soldiers who have taken up the fight against ISIS. They’re part of the YPJ, or Women’s Protection Unit, an offshoot of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), a Kurdish nationalist movement that has long fought a war of independence against Turkey.

Now the PKK and other Kurdish groups are at the forefront of the battle against the Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria, a militant group that would severely curtail the rights of women. It’s fitting that ISIS will be facing off against female fighters like 18-year-old Zilan Orkesh, who left her small village on the Turkish-Syrian border to join YPJ in 2011. When she killed an ISIS fighter for the first time, she began cheering loudly, hoping the sound would reach the ears of other jihadis. “I wanted to let them know that their worst nightmare had come true,” she says. “Their friend had been killed by a woman.”

As Islamic State has rape as a policy, with the only role for women to be to breed, great to see this. I imagine the shame for an ISIL fighter to be killed by a woman would be great.

“Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success.”

– Mark Skousen

The quote of the week is brought to you by the New Zealand Taxpayers’ Union. To support the Union’s campaign for lower taxes and less government waste, click here.

The Spectator reports:

Given that Jeremy Corbyn is a Hamas sympathiser with an IRA sympathiser as his Shadow Chancellor, I imagine he didn’t think too much about promoting a little-known Scot named Mike Watson. He is a Labour peer, who now takes a place in Corbyn’s frontbench as education spokesman. He is also a convicted arsonist, who quit the Scottish Parliament in disgrace after being caught drunkenly setting fire to a set of curtains during the Scottish Politician of the Year ceremony 2004. He was sentenced to 20 months in prison, whichhe served in HMP Edinburgh.

Incredible.

So if UK Labour win the election the PM will be someone who calls Hamas and Hezbollah friends, the Chancellor will be someone who has praised the bravery of the IRA and the Education Secretary will be a convicted arsonist.

At what point does David Cameron step out of the shower and say he’s just had the most strange dream, like an episode of Dallas?

The Herald reports:

Dr Gilbert said the NZPIP was “run on the smell of an oily rag”, largely relying on volunteers, including University of Canterbury law students.

He acknowledged that many prisoners wrongly claimed innocence – “everyone in prison is innocent” – and said the project had been inundated since it began operations a couple of months ago.

However, if the Government were to establish a commission it would not “open a great floodgate”.

“If we look at the UK, 30 per cent of cases brought before that committee are thrown out immediately because they don’t meet the criteria, and only 6 per cent will go forward or be referred to the Court of Appeal.

“We are talking about a fairly modest number. But of those, 64 per cent are upheld, so they are righting injustices.”

So only one in 20 cases get referred to the Court of Appeal, but two thirds of those are upheld. That’s impressive figures and I think a good reason why we should have such a Commission here.

Justice Minister Amy Adams said she was satisfied the current system was capable of correcting miscarriages of justice, through appeals or the royal prerogative of mercy process.

A body like a Criminal Cases Review Commission performed exactly the same function as the royal prerogative of mercy, Ms Adams said.

I don’t agree. Firstly it would be separate from the Ministry of Justice and secondly it would build up expertise in this area.

Stuff reports:

Sideways rain and a biting cold was no deterrent for die-hard Wellington rugby fans who got up in the middle of the night to support the All Blacks.

Hundreds of fans turned out to Wellington bars to see New Zealand play Argentina live at 3.20 Monday morning, New Zealand time.

Wellingtonians Abi Thomas and Philip Stretton were some of the brave ones who got up before dawn to support the boys in black.

Thomas said she could hardly sleep, which made it easier to get up before dawn for the game. She had a day off work Monday so was sipping on a beer.

Stretton wasn’t so lucky, he was drinking coffee and planned to have a few more before his 7.30am start at work.

Hotel Bristol owner Akio Shigeeda said the fans who watched at the Cuba St bar were “really good”.

“The bulk of our sales were breakfasts and coffees, teas, a lot of post-mix, a few beers but nothing excessive, which is good for the police and good for licensing.”

But the Greens told us people would be rolling out drunk past schools, as kids were arriving!

Owner of Dixon St bar Four Kings, Matt McLaughlin, also said they had a good turnout for the All Blacks game, and for the game before it.

About 30 people turned out to the bar for the Wales versus Uruguay match at 1.15am, and about 100 people for the All Blacks versus Argentina game.

“It was a great little crowd,” he said.

McLaughlin said the numbers were pretty standard for a match that early in the morning.

A group of Welsh rugby fans had come in from an all-nighter, but they were well behaved, he said.

“They were fine, they weren’t intoxicated…it proved the point that [an early license is] quite easy to manage.”

Yes you can do an all nighter and not be pissed.

Wellington police did the rounds of bars on Monday morning, and found everything in order, police communications acting shift commander Megan Gouverneur said.

“We had no trouble, no one rolling out on the streets.”

In other words, nothing happened which the nanny statists warned would happen.

Stats NZ reports:

Seasonally adjusted figures showed a net gain of 5,500 migrants in August 2015. This included a net gain of 200 migrants from Australia – equal to last month’s net gain, which was the highest in over 20 years (since 300 in March 1991).

Gaining 200 a month from Australia compared to losing over 100 a day!

The Herald reports:

A new biography claims Britain’s Prime Minister David Cameron once put a “private part of his anatomy” into a dead pig’s mouth.

According to the Daily Mail Mr Cameron carried out the act as a student at Oxford University during a bizarre initiation ritual.

A distinguished Oxford contemporary claims Mr Cameron took part in the ritual during an event organised by the Piers Gaveston Society, a dining club at Oxford.

The source, who himself is now an MP, first made the allegation in June 2014 and has since repeated them. He even claims photographic evidence of the alleged act exists.

A private part? His toe?

Won’t be a fun day to be the PM’s Press Secretary – or the PM.

Having said all that, I’m very skeptical of claims by anonymous sources, especially claims of photographic evidence. If there was evidence, I’m almost certain it would have emerged years ago.

In the 1990s a number of NZ publications alluded to a claimed encounter between a NZ MP and a rent boy. I heard dozens of times that there were photos of video footage from an alley way. But you know what – there wasn’t. They never emerged, and it was just a smear job with no substance.

Unless someone is willing to go on the record as a first hand witness, then I think it is just a load of trotters.

The Press reports:

Children as young as 14 say they earn up to $150 a day washing windscreens in Christchurch.

Police have become increasingly worried by the behaviour of the city’s windscreen washers, some of whom they suspect are being run by gangs, including the Mongrel Mob, and have asked the council to give them authority to seize their equipment and prosecute them under the council’s public places bylaw.

One group who call themselves the ‘Moorhouse Window Washers’ deny any gang affiliations and say the public has nothing to be worried about.

“We are just getting on with our jobs like everyone else,” said 16-year-old James Burgess who claims to earn about $150 a day.

“We won’t do a car that don’t want to be done.”

Burgess, who has been washing windscreens for about 18 months, said he and the rest of his group would wash windscreens for about four hours a day for the money and the “entertainment”.

“It’s better than robbing people,” another young boy said.

That says a lot about the attitudes of those involved.

Crouther said he had surveillance footage of an incident where window washers had surrounded a motorist’s car. When the motorist had indicated he did not want his window washed, they had smashed in the car’s windows.

In another incident a driver had  his side mirror kicked off by a window washer when he said he did not want his window washed. When he stopped the car and confronted the window washer he was set upon by a group of six or seven youths.

Definitely some arrests needed.

Deputy mayor Vicki Buck said she understood why police wanted to get the window washers off the streets but she was concerned that they could end up with a conviction that stayed with them for the rest of their lives. 

Has Vicki Buck not heard of the clean slate law?

The Herald reports:

Head of the PPTA, Angela Roberts, said it wanted Cambridge gone as it was undermining NCEA, and was calling for a ban.

So sad.

First the new Turnbull Ministry:

She will work alongside the first woman Foreign Minister Julie Bishop in the “renewal” ministry announced by new Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull.

But they won’t be sitting near Joe Hockey who didn’t want a portfolio and will quit Parliament after 20 years an MP and seven as a minister. …

For the first time in two years the minister looking after women’s issues will be a woman, West Australian senator Michaelia Cash, who also will be Minister for Employment. Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott had given himself that post of Minister for Women.

Kelly O’Dwyer will be the Small Business Minister and Assistant Treasurer, and also will sit in cabinet.

Five women, including incumbent Health Minister Sussan Ley, will have cabinet rank. …

Key postings include: Scott Morrison as Treasurer; Christopher Pyne Industry, Innovation and Science.

The significant promotions include Simon Birmingham to Education and Training, which will include child care; newcomer Christian Porter, a former senior minister in Western Australian Government, will be Minster for Social Services; Mitch Fifield to Minister for Communication and the Arts; Josh Frydenberg as Minster for Resources, Energy and Northern Australia. George Brandis will remain Attorney-General, Peter Dutton Immigration Minister, Mathias Cormann Finance Minister and 25-year-old Wyatt Roy has been made a junior minister for innovation.

Prime Minister Turnbull used his convincing victory over Tony Abbott to do more than refresh the age and gender make-up of the ministry. He set new priorities.

Junior minister Jamie Briggs has been given the job of planning to improve the livability and economic efficiency of our biggest cities. Tony Abbott did not believe the Federal Government had that job.

The powerful post of Cabinet Secretary has been revived for Arthur Sinodinos. Mr Turnbull said the “gold standard of good Coalition cabinet government” was when Senator Sinodinos was chief of staff to Liberal Prime Minister John Howard.

A smart reshuffle that has even won praise from Turnbull critic Andrew Bolt.

Meanwhile Abbott went out the way I’d want to also:

The former Prime Minister reportedly went straight to the pub with his loyal staffers after losing the Liberal leadership to Malcolm Turnbull, celebrating his freedom with a wild night of partying.

According to the Sunday Telegraph, Mr Abbott even danced with his shirt off, although one witness said it was a short-lived manoeuvrer, that “it came off, but it was back on pretty quickly”.

A marble coffee table in the PM’s suite was apparently smashed during the wild night and staffers even took souvenir shards.

I’ve been to similiar occasions after leadership coups in National. Very long messy nights!

And the Libs retained Canning:

With more than 61 per cent of ballot papers counted late on Saturday night, the former SAS captain had achieved more than 55 per cent of votes on a two-candidate preferred basis.

This represented about a six per cent swing towards Labor.

The recent public polls had the swing at 10%, so this exceeded expectations.

These changes do not mean the Coalition will win the next election, but means they now have a decent chance of being competitive.

Stuff reports:

Thanks to rising house prices, stagnant wages and social inequality, renters now make up at least half of our population.

I always get suspicious when a story makes an assertion like this. It sounds like borrowed rhetoric from a politician. So I thought I would check. Have wages been stagnant?

So I looked at Stats NZ average ordinary time earnings increases. The average increase in wages by year has been:

• 2014/15 – 3.1%
• 2013/14 – 3.5%
• 2012/13 – 2.2%
• 2011/12 – 3.5%
• 2010/11 – 4.3%

That is far from stagnant, and well beyond inflation.

This then got me thinking whether other facts asserted in the article may also be less than robust. Do renters now make up half our population?

Well according to the last census, 453,135 households rent. This compares to 940,728 households that own their home directly or through a family trust. And around 50,000 households do not own or pay rent (maybe parents own).

So around one third of households rent, not one half. A big difference. But the assertion was renters are now over half the population.  So maybe rental households have more people in them that non rental households.

Well no as Stats NZ says:

In general, rental housing tended to have fewer bedrooms than housing that was owned or in a family trust.  

So if anything it is likely the proportion of people in rental accommodation is closer to 30% than 50%.

It is one thing for an article to quote someone else making an assertion that may not be true. but if the article just stats the assertion as fact, and it isn’t, it undermines the entire article.

That was a bit close!

Not good at half time down 12-13 with two All Blacks sin binned.  The score is really Argentina 14 Dan Carter 12. Second half starts badly as it goes 16 to 12 after a few minutes.

Only halfway through the 2nd half did we get the lead back with a converted try. But at 19 to 16 one penalty can tie the game and one try can lose it.

But yes a few minutes later a second converted try gets us 26 to 16 and beyond the danger zone.

Damn good playing from Argentina, and not great playing from the All Blacks. They’re lucky this was a pool game and against a middle power, not a top power.

The Herald reports:

A social media sensation, a purebred moggy and a broken-hearted owner have become engaged in an online catfight.

Auckland woman Joyce Quah believes her much-loved chinchilla persian Chloe has ended up in the care of 18-year-old internet sensation Caitlin Davidson.

But Davidson – known as “Caito Potatoe” to her 457,829 followers – says she found the cat walking the streets of Auckland and is refusing to give it back. …

In Quah’s quest to identify Chloe she has also requested a sample of Darling’s fur so she can get the two follicles DNA tested. But she said Davidson had refused.

Why would you refuse? If I found a stray cat and someone a few months later claimed to be the owner, I’d absolutely agree to identify the cat.

Davison wouldn’t comment to the Herald on Sunday, instead referring inquiries to her father, Tom.

He confirmed his family had “made several complaints” to police yesterday.

He did not know if Darling was Chloe, and would not comment on why a DNA test had not been done.

“We’re meeting police on Monday and hopefully we’ll know more by then and can make a statement,” he said.

He said “a lot of hate” had been directed his daughter’s way.

“I’d love to have our side of the story on this, but it’s not the right time,” he said.

“Quite frankly, it’s a cat. Is it really worth all this palaver? I don’t think so. It’s a cat.”

That suggests he almost concedes that cat is Chloe, but that the original owner should just give up as it is not worth it. If he thinks it isn’t important, then why not DNA test the cat?

It’s not the first time someone has claimed “Darling” was a different cat.

In January, Davidson posted on her page that someone had accused her of stealing their cat Brutus from Glenfield, which she strongly denied.

“Darling has been a stray cat for a very long time and we have saved her and now she has actually been fed properly.

“Apparently she’s been on the streets for a very long time so now she’s in a happy home and we’re looking after her and we love her to bits,” Davidson said in a video post.

Sure the claim may be wrong, but that is why you agree to identification. And it is great you cared for the cat, but if the original owner did not abandon her (and indeed she searched everywhere for her) it is not finders keepers.

Stuff reports:

A Danish man has been arrested in his home country following allegations he launched a “persistent online attack” targeting an Auckland schoolgirl. 

Police said the 24-year-old was charged with posting private photos online and hacking private computers. 

He was caught in the city of Vejle, in Denmark, and will appear in a Danish court. 

The arrest was the result of a joint investigation between New Zealand Police, the Danish National Cyber Crime Centre and South-East Jutland Police. 

Good to see the Police forces working together on a case like this. He may have thought he could do what he did with impunity as he was in Denmark and his victim in New Zealand.

The man will appear in the Court of Kolding Town in a closed hearing where a pre-trial detention will be requested, the statement said.

Serious stuff if he may be held in jail until the trial.

The Herald reports:

One of the world’s leading experts on copyright has reviewed the Kim Dotcom case and says there is no basis for extradition.

Harvard Law professor Lawrence Lessig has weighed into the Megaupload prosecution with a legal opinion which condemns the prosecution case against the filesharing website.

In an opinion released by Dotcom’s lawyers, Professor Lessig said the allegations and evidence made public by the US Department of Justice “do not meet the requirements necessary to support a prima facie case that would be recognised by United States federal law”

Professor Lessig is internationally regarded as an expert in copyright and fair use. He co-founded the nonprofit Creative Commons and has written widely in articles and books on copyright, law and the internet age. The US-based Electronic Freedom Foundation said he had “played a pivotal role in shaping the debate about copyright in the digital age”.

Lawrence Lessig has been a huge force for good in the copyright arena. His affidavit will have considerable influence.

He is of course a witness for the defence, so it is no surprise what he says is there is no case to answer. But that doesn’t mean he is wrong. He is an expert in the copyright arena.

My lay view has always been that the threshold for extradition (which is low) has probably been met, but that an actual trial in the US could go either way.

The Herald reports:

The real estate agent sacked after the Labour Party was leaked confidential sales data on Asian buyers is back in the Auckland property market.

Grant Hargrave has a new job selling real estate with Harcourts after a high-profile dumping in July from Barfoot & Thompson.

Hargrave was given his marching orders during a political firestorm, accused of leaking sales data to Labour, whose spokesperson for housing and Auckland issues, Phil Twyford, claimed the high count of Chinese names was proof Auckland’s overcooked market was being stoked by offshore investors.

Hargrave has denied any involvement with the leak.

He has denied leaking it directly to Labour. But there is proof he leaked it to others. One News reported:

What an incredible game. Japan, one of the minions minnows of the game, has topped mighty South Africa. They are calling it the biggest upset in world cup rugby. It might be the biggest upset in international rugby ever.

I can recall the early days of Japan playing the All Blacks, and the only tension was whether the All Blacks could score 100 points before the final whistle. They have improved a lot since then but up until this match South Africa has won 25 out of 29 World Cup matches, and Japan had won exactly once – against Zimbabwe in 1991.

But despite being around 40 to 1 underdogs in the betting odds, in the first ever test match between the two countries, Japan prevailed. I doubt (none South African) Kiwis watching the game cheered any less for Japan than they do for the All Blacks.

Again to put this in perspective the odds of South Africa winning the Rugby World Cup are 13/2 and Japan is 5000/1.

By coincidence I was on Radio NZ on Friday and asked about the Rugby World Cup. I said that relatively speaking I wasn’t so worried about South Africa and Australia, but England and France. I commented South Africa had not had a great run lately – however never would have picked them to lose to Japan.

Also of note is Georgia beating Tonga 17 to 10. It’s great to see the game becoming more even.

The Herald reports:

An accounting error in Colorado is paying off for marijuana consumers Wednesday, when a quirk in a state tax law prompts the state to suspend most taxes on recreational pot.

The one-day pot tax holiday means Colorado won’t collect 10 percent sales taxes on pot.

The state is also suspending a 15 percent excise tax on marijuana growers.

The tax break is happening because Colorado underestimated overall state tax collections last year. Under the state constitution, the accounting error triggers an automatic suspension of any new taxes ” in this case, the recreational marijuana taxes voters approved in 2013.

Retailers are hoping for big crowds, rolling out bargains to attract shoppers. The state had no estimate on how many shoppers might turn out.

The taxes revert to 25 percent on Thursday.

I quite like this law. If your tax revenues are higher than forecast, then taxes drop or get suspended!

The final tax numbers covered the first full fiscal year in which adults over 21 could legally buy both marijuana and alcohol.

Alcohol excise tax collections were up 2.4 percent, to about $42 million. Marijuana-specific taxes came in at about $70 million.

The figures don’t include a statewide 2.9 percent sales taxes. In other words, alcohol likely still produces more overall tax money than pot, though the state doesn’t keep data on how much general sales tax comes from alcohol. Recreational pot is taxed much more steeply than alcohol.

The Government here should do the same – tax it, not ban it.

NBR reports:

It’s now understood that other senior staff at the NZ Herald being ‘consulted’ about the proposed plans to facilitate the creation of NZME’s “world-class integrated newsroom” (ie, more than likely being made redundant) also include Canvas deputy editor Greg Dixon, feature writer Alan Perrot and columnist John Roughan.

They seem set to join veterans John Drinnan, Brian Rudman and Michele Hewitson (see below) on today’s casualty list.

Must be tough times for those at the Herald.

If John Drinnan goes, it will be a pity. As a writer who focuses on the media, I read all his columns religiously and often learn stuff I didn’t know. I didn’t agree with everything he wrote (of course) but found him far more balanced that Mediawatch on Radio NZ (which I also listen to always, but find it has such an anti-commercial flavour). He also engages regularly on Twitter, in a useful way.

I’ve never understood why anyone ever agrees to be interviewed by Michelle Hewitson, as she generally skewers them not so gently. But I almost without fail read her interviews as they can be insightful in a way few are.

Rudman’s views are always pretty predictable, but his focus on Auckland issues was good. We need more scrutiny of local government.

John Roughan writes far less than he used to, but I like his columns as he would often go against the prevailing mood, and argue something unpopular.

One NZ Herald staff member says, “It’s a bloodbath.” Another tells NBR that 30% of editorial staff are getting the chop. The number is unconfirmed, but would still mean editorial is getting off more lightly than sales where sources suggest that up to 40% of staff could receive their marching orders.

The print media commercial model is failing, and online media revenue is not in the same league. Eventually business models that work will come through, but until they do it’s a hard time for those in the media.