What a surprise!
July 26th, 2006 at 2:18 pm by David FarrarMargaret Wilson has just announced to the House that she will not be referring Taito Phillip Field to the Privileges Committee. Looks like he may get off scot-free unless Clark and Labour can be shamed into taking some sort of action. I wouldn’t hold my breath though.
A true disgrace.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:15 pm
Unprincipled bitch. How partisan can you get No pretence at even handedness Just do what the Klark woman orders.Still the Socialists can revel in the fact they are an immoral corrupt unethical bunch of bastards.And so by association are their supporters.May they live in interesting times
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 3:37 pm
This is why politicians (as a group) are held in such low regard by the public.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 3:39 pm
“Still the Socialists can revel”
Is that why they call them a “party”?
“in the fact they are an immoral corrupt unethical bunch of bastards”
Worse things to revel about I reckon!
On a more serious note… I’m actually surprised.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 4:33 pm
So far I’m running at around 100% on this issue, whitewash enquiry, and no referral to the privileges committee. I have absolutely no illusions about Labour, and especially about Margaret bloody Wilson. However, I am not convinced that the PC was the appropriate way to go, an impartial Royal Commission is the best way to clear the stench of corruption away.
But, I am not at all surprised, when you have no morals, everything you do reflects that.
Now let’s see the Labour partisan’s especially Russell, decry this piece of evasion.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 4:36 pm
The one thing that really amazes me about Kiwis, is how gullible they are. I am not being nasty but I truly believe that the last election was the last chance for democracy in NZ. This has to be the final proof that this government will do anything to stay in power. Clark has passed the tipping point and knows that she can do anything.
The sad thing is that I was speaking to an old digger yesterday and he told me with tears in his eyes about fighting for NZ (I served and saw active service as well and we were talking about the forces rather than NZ.) The point was that he is and will always be a die hard labour supporter. He does not like what he sees but believes that the old Labour honesty and kiwi blue collar ethics will win through. How very very sad. I am afraid that will never happen.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 4:45 pm
So what’s the question of privilege?
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 4:52 pm
The one thing that really amazes me about Kiwis, is how gullible they are. I am not being nasty but I truly believe that the last election was the last chance for democracy in NZ. This has to be the final proof that this government will do anything to stay in power. Clark has passed the tipping point and knows that she can do anything.
The sad thing is that I was speaking to an old digger yesterday and he told me with tears in his eyes about fighting for NZ (I served and saw active service as well and we were talking about the forces rather than NZ.) The point was that he is and will always be a die hard labour supporter. He does not like what he sees but believes that the old Labour honesty and kiwi blue collar ethics will win through. How very very sad. I am afraid that will never happen.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 4:52 pm
Any volunteers to take a copy of the report down to the police station and make a complaint? Another “prima facie” case?
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 5:04 pm
“Now let’s see the Labour partisan’s especially Russell, decry this piece of evasion”
If I’m not mistaken, he said a while back that it should be sent to the privileges committee & that he thought Field was “toast”.
Pedantic, I know, but plurals don’t have apostrophes.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 5:13 pm
If Field is a ratbag the Serious Fraud Office can investigate and prosecute.
I am fundamentally opposed to Parliament attempting to determine it�s membership however naughty an MP is – it is a right that should be exercised at the very very last resort. The Police/SFO should deal with any issue of dishonesty. Saving that, the voters of Mangere should be invited to through the bum out if Labour persists on re-selecting him.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 5:15 pm
GE – The question of priviledge is abuse of position as an MP – the Ingram report covers only as a Minister.
GPT – What crime has TPF committed?
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 5:18 pm
If Field is a ratbag the Serious Fraud Office can investigate and prosecute.
I am fundamentally opposed to Parliament attempting to determine it�s membership however naughty an MP is – it is a right that should be exercised at the very very last resort. The Police/SFO should deal with any issue of dishonesty. Saving that, the voters of Mangere should be invited to through the bum out if Labour persists on re-selecting him.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 5:20 pm
If Field is a ratbag the Serious Fraud Office can investigate and prosecute.
I am fundamentally opposed to Parliament attempting to determine it�s membership however naughty an MP is – it is a right that should be exercised at the very very last resort. The Police/SFO should deal with any issue of dishonesty. Saving that, the voters of Mangere should be invited to through the bum out if Labour persists on re-selecting him.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 5:22 pm
Any takers that if I write to the SFO about Field I’ll get any sort of response?
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 5:29 pm
If Field is a ratbag the Serious Fraud Office can investigate and prosecute.
I am fundamentally opposed to Parliament attempting to determine it�s membership however naughty an MP is – it is a right that should be exercised at the very very last resort. The Police/SFO should deal with any issue of dishonesty. Saving that, the voters of Mangere should be invited to through the bum out if Labour persists on re-selecting him.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 5:33 pm
If Field is a ratbag the Serious Fraud Office can investigate and prosecute.
I am fundamentally opposed to Parliament attempting to determine it�s membership however naughty an MP is – it is a right that should be exercised at the very very last resort. The Police/SFO should deal with any issue of dishonesty. Saving that, the voters of Mangere should be invited to through the bum out if Labour persists on re-selecting him.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 5:42 pm
The SFO has a minimum level of money involved before they get into the picture. I’ve been given to understand that it’s pretty high before it’s regarded as “serious fraud” rather than every day fraud.
They might not be an option.
If you can find 19,999 other people to stand outside the behive and demand accountabilty I’ll round it up to 20,000 but Helen wont even come out of her office to call you names if you do that.
Options are limited.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 5:58 pm
innocent…I really think you must be if you are seriously suggesting that the voters of Mangere would ever actually “vote the bum out if Labour persists in re-selecting him”.I could explain,but I doubt you’d get it.And I’m sure you are a really nice person who would hate to be stuck in a lift with a cynical old cow like me.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 6:01 pm
Michael:
Vote:Try s102 of the Crimes Act:
102. Corruption and bribery of Minister of the Crown
July 26th, 2006 at 6:29 pm
Never mind, I’m a big believer in political karma – inevitably, some equally sleazy Tory will ooze out of the woodwork while Labour is back in opposition. When he or she walks, having been “exonerated” in the time-honoured fashion, my disgust will be mixed with schadenfreude for the very people who find lowering an ethical bar is much easier than lifiting it again.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 7:13 pm
This result further reinforces to Kiwis what scumbags reside in the Liar bour party. And these people are called honourable, power at all costs.
Vote:The sad part for me is many of our so called leaders are at a loss to explain rising crime rates and wonder at the causes of the general break down of society. You reap what you sow.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:28 pm
Hands up anyone who voted for this corrupt bunch ?
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 8:27 pm
GPT,
s102 would require that his actions were in his capacity as a Minister – and they don’t seem to have been. You want s103 instead.
BTW – what is the significance of s103(3)? Why should prosecution require the leave of a judge?
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 8:32 pm
I hope the Gnats are cultivating all the possibly vulnerable Labour members in electorate seats. Remember the other Field? The one in Queensland? All it took Bjelke was a kilo of prawns and a few stubbies of XXXX and the Dumbest ever Premier srewed the smarted ever PM.. I would have thought a few choice luxurious overseas sinecures would be enough to buy off two of Helen’s stooges. That’s all it would take. A few beers and prawns or maybe mutton birds as well and it should be a cinch.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 8:34 pm
Take a deep breath you people. It’s a legal matter, not a moral one.
The enquiry by QC Ingram was set up to deliver
this result. I heard Speaker Wilson give her decision, and her reasons, and thought it well
considered and argued.
The Nats ballsed up their response. Oh for a
Vote:Heather Simpson in their camp.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:25 pm
Power corrupts so I am hardly surprised, but we trust that the system will will pick it up when it happens. A grateful constituent will overlook a few foibles here and there but TPF has been well and truly snapped and Mrs Peter Davis faster than a Canterbury boyracer on testosterone boost has outdone herself this time. So for some reason this pisses me off more than a harmless forged painting or mere lies about the unaffordability of tax cuts.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 10:07 pm
Well, Russell certainly belongs to the partisans, but pedant or not, you’re right, llew. Mea culpa.
I fingered RB because when he supported sending TPF to the priveleges committee, that convinced me that a deal had already been stitched up with MW so he wouldn’t be so sent. I dislike subscribing to conspiracy theories, but when they allow so many accurate predictions and make such obvious sense…
I would advise against going to the police, they are, it seems, so scared of crossing our dear leader that they are more likely to charge you with sedition than to listen to any words against a sainted and culturally appropriate MP. As for the SFO, that would just about guarantee Field getting off. The SFO makes a total balls up of almost everything they touch these days.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 10:15 pm
I don’t understand how they can treat us (The voters, the public, the citizens of Helengrad) with this total contempt.
It’s simply wrong and there should be consequences to this kind of corruption. Severe consequences. An election, no less is good enough.
That said, if Labour won the election I would be off to Aussie immediately. Leaving the this corruption tolerant country to the corrupt Govt they have re elected. But then again I’d always back National over Labour if advertising spending rules were enforced, as we were told they would be when there was no action taken over the recent prima facie case…. It’s all corruption Fred, we should not tolerate any of it. To do so is to condone it.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 10:37 pm
“I fingered RB because when he supported sending TPF to the priveleges committee, that convinced me that a deal had already been stitched up with MW so he wouldn’t be so sent. I dislike subscribing to conspiracy theories, but when they allow so many accurate predictions and make such obvious sense…”
Hahahah had to reply!- the vast left wing conspiracy aye?
Vote:yeah I saw RB, Wilson and Clark stitching this up late one night at the Green Parrot, while Peters serenaded them on violin, the liberal MSN served the drinks, and the judiciary destroyed the
July 26th, 2006 at 10:41 pm
pfft,
Winston can’t play the violin, the rest I would believe.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 10:48 pm
“Winston can’t play the violin, the rest I would believe.”
You had me fooled! He certainly plays you Gnats like a fiddel
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 11:07 pm
What Gnats pfft ??? you do presume too much.
Typical ploy of the anti Gnat, scream conspiracy theorist. Please don’t make this about your famous dear leader having sound policies, even if that were true it is not the point. The point is that Labour seem to have engineered a total white wash of a scurrilous MP. Conspiracy theory or no conspiracy theory this is the issue.
Vote:July 26th, 2006 at 11:08 pm
You’ve got Hullen the VRWC has W.
I think we’re ahead there.
Unless you want to put NZDF up against PacFlt. Good luck on that one.
Vote:July 27th, 2006 at 5:32 am
pfft
There is absolutely no evidence that the 2000 election was stolen no matter how much the left loves this meme. For the record, a consortium of US newspapers (from the left and right of the political spectrum) paid over $1million for the vote recount (that the Supreme Court stopped) to be finished. Bush still won Florida by 600 votes, pretty much the result on election night. The US Constitution still decides the Presidency via the Electoral College and so all of Florida’s EC votes went to Bush. The left avoids mentioning the fact that the Democrat stacked Florida Supreme court refused to allow a count of some 17,000 absentee ballots from serviceman abroad nor the early call by TV networks in favour of Gore on election night before the polls closed in the Panhandle (that is in a different time zone). Poll clerks throughout the Panhandle (the area in FL with the highest percentage of the Republican vote) reported virtually nil foot traffic from 6pm onwards after the networks called FL for Gore.
Vote:July 27th, 2006 at 8:02 am
National is contemplating a motion of no confidence in the Speaker. It seems to me they will have to follow this through, but only if her ruling is really that dodgy. On that I am sure plenty of advice is being sought. The party, particularly with Chris Finlayson, Doug Graham and Paul East, has plenty of legal parliamentary heavy hitters to get a definitive answer on that.
Vote:July 27th, 2006 at 9:00 am
“how they can treat us (The voters, the public, the citizens of Helengrad) with this total contempt.”
ha ha, what delicious irony, seems to work both ways burt.
Vote:July 27th, 2006 at 9:38 am
One thing coming through loud and clear is the Empress lesbos and her band of newted fools have out stayed their welcome, (for any lefties out there I am indeed speaking about “YOUR” leader and Labour). Just in case you missed the connection.
The NZ legal system doesn’t apply to this lot as we see again in the case of Phillip Field, Pledge cards, forged paintings, drunken cabin ate ministers, etc etc.
Then we have the blatant smash and grab attitude in regard to tax collection and spending.
This Govt syphons off billions of dollars of over taxation, then redistributes it back into the economy at costs that far exceed those of the private sector to achieve the same task, Oh that’s right the Unions needed payback through their ranks being bolstered by the introduction of replenished numbers of bureaucrats.
The Govt crows about NZ having the lowest unemployment rate in years, no shit Sherlock, but none of these people are in revenue creating positions, a large proportion of them are in the group listed above.
good to see that the average Joe on the street has woken up to it.
Vote:July 27th, 2006 at 9:49 am
You know…. I’m a swinging voter, not personally allied to Nats or Labour. I go whichever way I think is best at the time.
I did vote for Labour at the last and previous election… and I havent been so worried about Doone/Pope/painter-gate, etc….. sure, they didnt look good, and showed up issues… but on the whole, I still prefered their policies to the Nats…
But this complete cover-up over what is truely scandalous, has me ready to vote National just to get rid of those responsible. They’ve gone one step too far…
If I’ve changed my mind, I’m sure there’s many others of us “middle folk” who could swung… and its the hearts and minds of the middle you need to get to go your way if you want change, because you surely wont be getting the people with deeply held polar opposite views to change…
But you’ve also set yourselves up with a problem… I know many who arent paying much attention on this issue, because they perceive it to be just more shit-kicking from the opposition…. All the previous ruckus over issues that ultimately just werent that big a deal have led you to the position where many who could well be turned are just thinking its the boy crying “wolf”….
Fletch.
Vote:July 27th, 2006 at 9:54 am
On a more serious note, I would say to the doubters that the NZ “system” works. Whilst Labour may not have covered itself in glory there is no doubt that:
1. PTF has been well and truely exposed.
2. His political future is toast.
Given that it appears he has not done anything illegal and he himself is not prepared to do the honourable thing and resign it I think this is a reasonable result.
I noticed Fred’s comment above ” for some reason this pisses me off more than a harmless forged painting”. Well, Christ, I thought the painting was the end of the world according to you guys. This is more serious but I doubt the public knows because everything Labour does that you disagree with is described with such Armageddon like force.
Vote:July 27th, 2006 at 12:03 pm
Fletch – I am very much like you I had not voted for National since the late 80′s early 90′s, and only gave them my vote at the last election because of the sleaze that was oozing from every crack in the present Govt.
If I thought the Labour Govt last was corrupt,then they have hit completely new heights in the 12 months since slipping back in to office.
The NZ parliament has a stench about it these days that would befit an abattoirs.
I would hazard a guess that Tony Soprano would be quite impressed with the skill in which this group have gone about their work. I just hope like hell the paper trail is accurate enough in the end to hold some of these people accountable.
Kiwi’s are the type of people to forgive when in fact someone should be put to the sword.
Vote:The chances of holding anyone to account in the current NZ legal climate would be less than getting the Murderer of the Kahui babies into court.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:35 am
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