VDSL2
Cool. Orcon is looking to bring in VDSL2 technology which will allow speeds of up to 100 Mb/sec over the copper lines. This is 12 times ADSL of 7.6 Mb/s and 4 times that of ADSL2 of 24 Mb/s.
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September 26th, 2006 at 7:11 am
Well, Orcon better do something, and soon. It’s been grinding down to ridiculously low speeds over the last few months. I pay for an unlimited data 256/128 account because I have the need for a lot of data (a nomral speed account would cost me $300-$400 a month otherwise), and at least half of each day I don’t even get the full theoretical 256k available to use. It’s all very well to have high theoretical speeds, but the contention ratios are obviously sky high.
September 26th, 2006 at 8:09 am
Does this mean we’ll be able to blow our bandwidth caps in three seconds now, instead of the usual fifteen minutes?
September 26th, 2006 at 8:16 am
Yup – better speeds are all good. What you actually get will normally be significantly less than this with the main factors being
(1) the distance from your local exchange, and;
(2) the quality of copper wire in the ground.
You have control over (1) because you can move house. your only control over (2) is who supplies the copper. If you’re lucky enough to live on the TelstraClear network your wiring is likely to be newer and higher quality than that of Telecom.
Oh also, note that Telecom may well move away from claiming peak speeds and resort to something like ‘full speed’ or ‘unlimited speed’ claims because performance varies so much across it network that claiming any kind of limit would expose them to legal challenge. You have to sympathise with them give the cost of upgrading their national copper network is estimated at $1.5b. So, while we wait for VDSL2 don’t be fooled by ‘full speed’ claims. They will be to keep the lawyers at bay .
September 26th, 2006 at 8:22 am
I’d be happy if I could get broadband AT ALL!
I live in the Franklin area, only about 10 minutes from a town, and we STILL can’t get broadband. I’ve emailed Telecom about 3 times in the last six months and the answer is always the same: ‘Sorry, but your exchange is too old’.
We have one of those cabinets on the roadside with a 30 phone line capacity and it’s already using all 30 lines, apparantly, and no one can be bothered to upgrade it or anything.
So I’m STUCK with dial-up speeds.
It’s not good enough!!
I’m told that folks in town can’t even get Caller I.D for the same reason – the age of the equipment.
It just ain’t fair, I tell ya.
September 26th, 2006 at 8:24 am
Yup – better speeds are all good. What you actually get will normally be significantly less than the claimed maximum with the main factors being
(1) the distance from your local exchange, and;
(2) the quality of copper wire in the ground.
You have control over (1) because you can move house. Next door is good! Your only control over (2) is who supplies the copper. If you’re lucky enough to live on the TelstraClear network your wiring is likely to be newer and higher quality than that of Telecom.
Oh also, note that Telecom may well move away from claiming peak speeds and resort to something like ‘full speed’ or ‘unlimited speed’ claims because performance varies so much across it network that claiming any kind of limit would expose them to legal challenge. You have to sympathise with them given the cost of upgrading their national copper network is estimated at $1.5b. So, while we wait for VDSL2 don’t be fooled by ‘full speed’ claims. They will be to keep the lawyers at bay .
September 26th, 2006 at 8:52 am
Firstly what do you need 100Mbits for? Most of the big corporates in NZ would have no where near that speed running on their WAN.
Who could afford the data cap?
There is very few places in NZ that it would be worth deploying this because of the very severe distance limitations. The article quoted Singapore which couldn’t be further from the population density of NZ.
The speeds of all the DSL versions drop off dramatically in an exponential fashion with distance. I would question VSDL being able to get 4Megs at 5km.
Another problem is the cross talk in the cables. As you had more DSL services to a cable feeding from an exchange the cross talk (interference of noise from other cable pairs) increasing dramatically. This limits the speed of the service and the ability to add more connections. Having very high frequency systems like VDSL make the problem worse.
Also when has Orcon ever made good on a press release?
Fletch have you tried to see if you can get wireless. Xtra Wireless and Compass both have services in the Franklin area.
September 26th, 2006 at 10:39 am
Raider,
I think I’ve looked at Xtra Wireless, but it’s a lot more expensive that your garden-variety broadband. I’ve also tried Wired Country (I think that is what Compass uses?) and that also was expensive if I remember for wireless. You had to be ‘in sight’ of certain towers or areas which I wasn’t.
I guess I’ll just have to wait…….
Apparantly, in my area here, we can’t even get 3G cellphone service (and my normal Vodafone reception is pretty weak as well).
September 26th, 2006 at 10:44 am
Just checked out Xtra Wireless prices, and it’s not good
$59.95 for 1GB of data per month at 256kps speed
$69.95 for 2GB of data at 256kps speed
going up to -
$99.95 for 2GB per month at 512kps speed
That is ridiculous really. I’m not paying that kind of thing..lol
September 26th, 2006 at 1:07 pm
Fletch
Do you have Woosh locally? They charge $40 pm for 256k with double at $5 extra – need to be line of sight to their towers.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:33 pm
southern raider – thanks for the reality call that these discussions normally need:
Most web servers just are not connected to the internet at the same speeds as what many consumers are now connecting to the net at – which means unless you are seriously multi-threading your windows and/or downloading (as opposed to browsing) – then you just aren’t going to see that much difference.
September 27th, 2006 at 6:35 pm
I have VDSL at home in Aus, and what we use the bandwidth for is TV – all my TV comes down the copper basically as broadcast IP TV. So I see about 1Mbps on my internet connection (with a 10GB on peak cap, and unlimited off peak), and I believe about 15Mbps is used by the TV. I can push my internet up to around 10Mbps with my current connection. Presumably VDSL2 is going up to 100Mbps.
It is all useful, and a very effective way to deliver cable TV. It also means I can get my cable TV on my laptop when on the network at home, I can record the streams to my harddrive and play back to my settop box etc etc.
Is all of that worth investment in new cabling? My impression is that my local provider in Canberra is slowing going bankrupt, so probably the answer is no. As a commercial proposition it probably never would have gotten off the ground – local taxpayers subsidised it.
September 27th, 2006 at 10:05 pm
Fletch , just reading between the lines is it Onewhero area of Franklin that you are in. There has to be a price for rural tranquility
September 27th, 2006 at 10:11 pm
Gee this site is incredibly slow past 10pm at night . Checking the ’sitemeter’ down the bottom of the main page . Just 97 vists in the last hour. Are we being throttled ?
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