Kiwis lead the world

October 13th, 2007 at 8:37 am by David Farrar

New Zealand has topped the world in another global survey.

Is it best place to do business? No.  (2nd there) Is it best education system? No.

It’s female promiscuity.

Yes Kiwi women have an average 20.4 sexual partners compared to the global average of 7.3. Austrian men are at 29.3.  Kiwi blokes are back at 16.8 – still above global average of 13.2 for men.

We were the only country where women have more sexual partners than men.

And on behalf of the men, may I say thank you :-)

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227 Responses to “Kiwis lead the world”

  1. andrei (2,652 comments) says:

    You take joy in the fact the New Zealand women have been typecast as sluts?

    Sad

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  2. Michaels (1,318 comments) says:

    Always knew kiwi woman were a bit on the loose side…. And I can only say I am pleased they never questioned me in this poll!!! talking of a slutty past…………..

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  3. Ross Nixon (559 comments) says:

    Repent, boycott Hell.

    I (Jesus) am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To those who are thirsty I will give freely from springs of living water. The one who is victorious will inherit these things and I will be God to him and he will be a son to me. But as for the cowardly, those without faith, the abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers,idolaters, and all liars—their part will be in the lake of fire and sulphur, which is the second death.” Rev 21:8

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  4. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (786 comments) says:

    You trust a sex survey from a condom maker???

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  5. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (786 comments) says:

    Agree with Andrei

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  6. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Really?

    Odd andrei was the first person to use the word slut.

    Could be telling us more about you than kiwi women I think.

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  7. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    Goose. Gander. Those type of words come to mind.

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  8. Camryn (543 comments) says:

    Does a higher average make NZ women sluts? Does 20 lifetime partners indicate sluttiness? Not unless you think so. I don’t think DPF thinks so, and his tongue is also firmly in cheek.

    My view is that it makes NZ woman either more honest than other countries or more liberated.

    I don’t think that 20 lifetime partners for the average woman makes that woman slutty. Given that people are marrying aged 26-28 and becoming sexually active at 16-18, it’s only an average of 2 a year in those single years (this is a rough calculation for demonstration purposes and I understand that this single period will have relationships within it and therefore ‘clusters’ of activity + other single periods can occur later due to divorce etc + affairs happen too).

    Is 2 sexual partners a year when single slutty now?

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  9. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    Excellent result. As a male this makes me proud of kiwi woman.

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  10. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (786 comments) says:

    “Is 2 sexual partners a year when single slutty now?”
    No

    The article clearly compares NZ women numbers to NZ men and global averages. Why else would it do this if not to make a point about NZ women?

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  11. Dazedmw (12 comments) says:

    I’m with Murray.

    Those that feel the need to condemn woman for doing things that men in our culture are routinely encouraged to do should realise it’s not the 60s anymore.

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  12. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (786 comments) says:

    “Excellent result. As a male this makes me proud of kiwi woman.”
    And thats whats sad with the world. To get respect a woman has to either act like a man or have sex with lots of them.

    and now for the right wing “rip apart the left winger” session

    I will check in later to see what you do to me :-)

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  13. Camryn (543 comments) says:

    It makes the point that they have 20 sexual partners, and this is higher than some other countries have reported in an unscientific survey where participants are apparently self-selected.

    You’re one of the people here that’s taking that to mean that NZ woman are being called slutty. I take no such implication.

    To use an example:
    – Country X has an average of 3 flu deaths per 100k people per year
    – Country Y has an average of 5 flu deaths per 100k people per year
    – You’d say Country Y is being described as flu ridden
    – I’d say Country Y has more deaths than Country X per annum per capita due to the flu, but that the use of the term “flu ridden” is a personal opinion. We all have different views about how much flu makes a country “flu ridden”

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  14. Camryn (543 comments) says:

    To be clear, I’m replying to the Short Shriveled etc post that partially quoted me.

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  15. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left

    It’s got nothing to do with left and right, I’ll rip you apart for trying to drag the issue that way. You are a fool if you think left wing woman only jump left wing guys and right wing woman only jump right wing men.

    The fact that a) woman felt comfortable enough to be honest and b) are not so inhibited in their sexuality that they restrict how many sexual partners they have shows that woman are not repressed.

    However when it comes to sexual behaviour everybody has their own standards and I’ll never say your perspective is wrong. I will however strongly defend my perspective that it’s a good thing.

    Perhaps you cannot distance your left views from your Victorian views. I guess both ideologies are about as equally outdated.

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  16. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left

    In a nutshell. How many sexual partners a person has is something that a person only needs to answer to themselves about.

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  17. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    So that’s who’s having all my sex. Bitches. :)

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  18. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    then of course there is the anecdotal/historical ‘evidence’..

    especially when ‘away from home’..

    eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

    (ahem..!..a former ‘slapper’..)

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  19. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    I guess that this means NZ would be the easiest country in the world to start up a brothel.

    Actually, the “easiest country in the world to do business is crap. The ‘Ease of Doing Business’ survey doesn’t cover compliance with tax, resource management or environment law, which are big impediments to business as anyone dealing with that overwhelming crap already knows.

    The survey is also heavily influenced by its ranking on ‘ease of getting credit’, while its ranking on employment issues is a long way down.

    There’s really nothing for Klark and her acolytes to boast about in the survey results. Its just window dressing.

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  20. ray (63 comments) says:

    Actually Red baiter I would say it indicates quite the contary

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  21. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Well Ray, it depends. I’m thinking there would be plenty of whores ready to work cheap. I guess you’re thinking with all the free stuff about, there’d be too much competition. Well…. I dunno. I’m not really an expert on whorehouses.

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  22. GK (97 comments) says:

    Great, really crash hot. I wonder if we lead the world in the highest incidence of the pox. We might not make it past the quarter finals in the rugby, but our gals are really doing us proud. Close your eyes and think of NZ dearies.

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  23. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    oh yes gk..

    our pox stats are also world-beating..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  24. Ms Klake (7 comments) says:

    Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left:

    I think you may be missing the point. As a woman I do not believe respect can be obtained by dropping my panties. I do however feel that it is my right to own my sexuality, and within the realms of proper adult consent, do with my body as I please. If i like sex, and want sex, then I should be able to have sex without guilt and the influence of what I consider archaic moralism. I would hope that a good percentage of Kiwi women are doing the same. And I’m heartened to see that some men are learning to respect a womans right to do as men have been doing for centuries.

    It’s not about gaining respect from sex. It’s about respecting an adults right to indulge in consensual sex as works for them, regardless of gender.

    However, the idea that some women are ‘sexually liberal’ for less empowering reasons does bother me. And I know that some of that percentage won’t be doing it for themselves, which is disappointing.

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  25. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    RB it actually makes NZ the most difficult cuntry in which to start up a brothel. Not for nothing did an American servicemen say to his off sider in 1942 “Goddamnit, Prostitoots cain’t mak abuck here, ther are too many goddamned amerchooers.”

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  26. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    Oh dear, sorry about the typo.

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  27. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “You take joy in the fact the New Zealand women have been typecast as sluts? Sad.”

    And what’s so bad about being promiscuous? Or a “slut”? Actually there’s a movement that’s aiming to reclaiming the word “slut”. I can say I agree with it. Why should people be ashamed of their sexualities?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ethical_Slut

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  28. ManukauMum (62 comments) says:

    Based on my female friends & acquaintances (who have generally had very few sexual partners) there are a lot of women out there having way way more than 20 lifetime partners (in order to get this average). Would I call that slutty? Well, yes. And I’m not impressed with NZ men having an average of 16 either. Its not something to be proud of – “sad” is understating it.

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  29. colinm (65 comments) says:

    Keep reading the article ladies and gents. It may be a let down for the gents here, and perhaps answer the question as to why the ladies are more promiscuous. A little further down it says we score low on satisfaction with sex. Drawing a conclusion from that little bit of data says that the women aren’t satisfied, thats perhaps why the larger number of partners? If it’s true it shows us kiwi blokes in a poor light eh.
    Statistics, can tell you anything…

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  30. GNZ (228 comments) says:

    does that mean most countries have lots of gay men and NZ has a lot of lesbians? Or is itthat other countries are raiding NZ for it’s women?

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  31. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (786 comments) says:

    Burt said
    “It’s got nothing to do with left and right, I’ll rip you apart for trying to drag the issue that way. You are a fool if you think left wing woman only jump left wing guys and right wing woman only jump right wing men”
    thats not what I meant about left and right and I would be a fool to think that :-)

    Camryn
    Yes you are right and it can be interpreted anyway the reader chooses
    I stand by my point that this article is attempting to shock and is calling NZ women sluts in a less direct way than using the word slut
    The title is not “NZ women are more open and honest about sex”

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  32. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Isn’t there a man shortage in NZ maybe there is a lot of competion out there.

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  33. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    So how do we call ourselves a Christian nation when on average Woman and Men are having this many sexual partners?

    Surely if we were a Christian nation the average would be closer to 1.

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  34. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Burt,,

    Lets hope you’re talking bout a spiritual nation and not a legalistic moralistic one.

    Thats what the yanks are so confused about. they put the cart before the horse trying to moralise people b4 they’re spiritual.

    you can’t expect people to live to spiritual standards when they are not spiritual. Morals and spirituality are two completely different and foreign concepts.

    Become spiritual in God, then your morals rise. The other way around simply spreads gross hypocrisy and impossible standards.

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  35. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    My original q was what age groups to these promiscuos females belong to.

    I have a feeling it can extend right into the 50’s.

    anyone concur ?

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  36. All Bound For Mumu Land (17 comments) says:

    Must account for the almost record number of abortions. Women deserve better and DPF is right there cheering them for the gutter.

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  37. Reg (539 comments) says:

    The only thing we learn from these statistics is the type of women that respond to Durex surveys.

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  38. All Bound For Mumu Land (17 comments) says:

    And I’m heartened to see that some men are learning to respect a womans right to do as men have been doing for centuries.

    Haha gawd, you’re stupid feminist. Who do you think men do it with?

    Lemme guess, there’s something entirely “new” and “trendy” about female promiscuity, now that SITC came out. How stupidly naive. Just the kind of deranged thinking to be expected from a contemporary of the pro-prostitution abortion-loving feminist PM, Helen Clark.

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  39. reid (16,457 comments) says:

    Interesting topic and too bad we don’t get to discuss social ethics more often.

    I find it interesting that some see this as a rights issue, as in the right to do what they want with their own bodies. We have the free will to commit suicide, to murder, to take drugs, and generally to destroy ourselves or others in any number of ways. Even if ethics, legality and social norms sometimes coincide, whether something is legal or not or socially acceptable or not should not really influence the ethical question. For example, the death penalty is legal in some places, does that make it ethical? Headhunting until recently was in some places socially acceptable or take Islam’s current attitude toward women, does that make those practices ethical?

    My point is that I think that promiscuity is an ethical question – it’s not about rights, it’s about respect for yourself and others and also, it applies equally to both men and women. Just because we can do something doesn’t mean we should.

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  40. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    Thanks for your approval! I was really ashamed of my slutty behaviour before – and really confused. On the one hand, I liked having sex with the men that I chose to have sex with and men liked it that I would have sex with them, but then, on the other hand, none of them wanted to have a relationship with me because I wasn’t interesting or clever enough to talk to. Thank god for you, David! Now I know that all New Zealanders (since you blog is named ‘Kiwiblog’ I know you are speaking for everyone) just like to have sex with women in and of itself! Now I do not have to feel bad about not having much intelligence, because New Zealanders don’t care! You are truly an inspiration – you are even more feminist than ‘Sex and the City!’ And you must have such an understanding wife too, since you are able to say thank you in that way – I know that you must have had sex with many women. Perhaps You, your wife, and I can all have sex sometime? That way I can properly say thanks on behalf of all women.
    Love,
    Robyn XXX

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  41. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “My point is that I think that promiscuity is an ethical question – it’s not about rights, it’s about respect for yourself and others and also, it applies equally to both men and women. Just because we can do something doesn’t mean we should.”

    I agree – though I think one can be “promiscuous” and still be respectful to yourself and others. It’s a case of open and honest communication really. Not that people “promiscuous” are necessarily like this. I just disagree with the idea that “promiscuous” people are automatically “unethical”.

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  42. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    Not really sure what you’re trying to get at there Robyn. Perhaps your sense of humor/irony is too sophisticated for me. Could you try putting you point in clearer/more straight forward way, so I can be sure about what you’re saying?

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  43. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Robyn,,

    Kiwi men are quite thick when It comes to women. I know I’m a Kiwi male and I’m thick when it comes to women.

    Kiwi men have no skills when it comes to understanding womens needs. They have to be spoon feed verbally.

    Have you asked a man for a relationship. you may be surprised to know Kiwi men need to be asked these things. if they get an idea in their head
    they don’t talk about it, they just believe it.

    If they think you’re sexually independent thats how they’ll treat you.

    if you’re turning down second dates the phone won’t ring.

    your sarcasm and condecension of the NZ male is not ill grounded, we can deserve this, we’re just not clever between the sexes.

    just good daddy material.

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  44. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Robyn,,

    Roger Nome just proved my point .

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  45. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “Kiwi men have no skills when it comes to understanding womens needs. They have to be spoon feed verbally.”

    Nice piece of gender essentialism there hinamanu. Who are you to speak on behalf of all NZ males? There are differences between generations as well you know.

    Also – I had an idea of what Robyn was trying to say. I was just trying to get a clear and honest discussion going – I find that this approach more productive on these type of very personal issues.

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  46. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    roger nome

    I just disagree with the idea that “promiscuous” people are automatically “unethical”.

    I agree entirely. Pretending to want a relationship to get sex in a repressed society is unethical. Openly saying – I like you, I’d like to have sex with you but I don’t want a monogamous relationship with you is not introducing any deceit into the communication.

    I choose the latter as ethical, the former as the way it was more so under more restrained moral times.

    Imposing moral standards is an attempt to modify natural human behaviour, natural human behaviour has no interest in morals and less interest in changing them.

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  47. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Roger,

    I think generationally, my last statement is still basically correct,

    we’re still great daddies.

    But Robyn is either very ignorant of NZ males, or very wise, and I prefer to think the latter. I see she doesn’t differentiate between white collar/blue collar so perhaps her statements are as sweeping as mine.
    or perhaps her experience with both leaves much to be desired.

    That part we need her to expand on

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  48. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    Guys,
    What I really wanted to say, in response to DPF’s post was
    “Fuck you, you smug, sexist asshole.”
    But things like that start fights.
    Regards,
    R.E.K.

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  49. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    Oops! Sorry! My point is that I was having a dig at David – what I was trying to do was point out the generalisations HE had made about men by making such an essentialist statement such as “on behalf of all men…”
    as well as, as I believe was stated by another poster earlier, that DPF’s whole approach to the story indicated that he views women as things for men to have sex with.

    I don’t think anything about “men,” myself. Some of them are nice. Some of them aren’t. Who knows. Why essentialise? Where does it get you.

    [DPF: Robyn - I thought I was fairly obviously taking the piss, when I say things like "on behalf of all men". It's called poking the borax. If you want my serious views on relationships, sex, women - then we can discuss that. But really over-reacting to a wind-up is not cool. And I doubt you will find a single one of my exes who would ever say a bad thing about me. I treat all my friends very well, and any significant other - well there's little I won't do for them.]

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  50. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “Roger,

    “I think generationally, my last statement is still basically correct,”

    you mean inter-generationally speaking? I would like to think that times are changing and kiwi makes are beginning to be a bit more open with their partners about what they’re feeling. I certainly know that me and my brothers are far more open communicators with our partners than my father ever was with my mother. So I think it’s more complicated than you suggest.

    “But Robyn is either very ignorant of NZ males, or very wise”

    So now you admit that what Robyn said was ambiguous? Thank you for agreeing with me.

    “I agree entirely. Pretending to want a relationship to get sex in a repressed society is unethical. Openly saying – I like you, I’d like to have sex with you but I don’t want a monogamous relationship with you is not introducing any deceit into the communication.”

    Hold the phone – I think we might actually be in perfect agreement about something!

    “Imposing moral standards is an attempt to modify natural human behaviour, natural human behaviour has no interest in morals and less interest in changing them.”

    Agreed – there’s been plenty of scientific research done that shows our prehistoric ancestors were far from monogamous.

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  51. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    R.E.K

    I think I was kinda close to the mark,,

    As in men are from Mars etc.

    What that title doesn’t suggest is that men/women form different planets
    merge to live on a common planet. As gravity has a power on earth,,
    love/lust has inordinate powers between the sexes.

    Unfortunately, there is no planet where pure love only exists.

    Therefore the battle of the sexes and lines like

    can’t live with them, can’t live without them.

    Too many people settle for second best anyway

    But I’ll stop there.

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  52. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “I don’t think anything about “men,” myself. Some of them are nice. Some of them aren’t. Who knows. Why essentialise? Where does it get yo”

    Agreed Robyn – i get tired of people trying to put others into boxes on the basis of their gender – utter bullshit.

    oh and hinamanu – I hate to rub your face in it but see – But you didn’t have a clue now did you you?

    “What I really wanted to say, in response to DPF’s post was
    “Fuck you, you smug, sexist asshole.””

    Yes DPF does have some ways to go on that front (not that I don’t have my share of sexism left in me). Though to be fare, I think DPF is smart enough and sophisticated enough to know that his posts that focus on women are often objectifying/distasteful/offensive. I just think he’s trying to appeal to the “blokes” – that’s his target market after all (right-wing “lads”). Ever wonder why far more men read kiwiblog than women David?

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  53. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “Therefore the battle of the sexes and lines like”

    This is such a good example. The fact that you frame it in such hegemonic masculinst terms shows that you have little self-awareness when it comes the “framing” of issues surrounding the conceptualisation of gender(s) in our society.

    Here’s a review of a good book on the subject of gender/masculinities if you want to look critically at the way you think about these things.

    http://www.achillesheel.freeuk.com/br23_1.html

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  54. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Ahh roger,

    exactly what I meant mate,, Kiwi male, ignorant, needs hand to hold
    or at least explain very, very slowly,,

    would,, you ,, like,, to ,, be my,, boyfriend,, ??

    answer

    what exactly do you mean by boy friend ??,,,,

    Aah, think I’d better stop b4 I denigrate myself

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  55. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “would,, you ,, like,, to ,, be my,, boyfriend,, ??
    answer what exactly do you mean by boy friend ??,,,,
    Aah, think I’d better stop b4 I denigrate myself”

    Well seeing as you asked so nicely hinamanu :-) I’ll just have to ask my GF about it first though ok?

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  56. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Well Roger,,

    I was kinda hoping Robyn would see my new age sensitivity and ask me slowly and condescendingly what I’m doing tonight.

    And I’d go through all this trauma wondering if she thought i was only interested in the sex and wasn’t going to ask her for a relationship because I’m too thick to see the obvious.

    In fact if it wasn’t for alcohol the Kiwi race would be facing extinction.

    Which gets us back to this entire blog.

    Isn’t Labour sending them all away.

    No one answered Helens call to come back home and leave all that money you’re making overseas.

    Such is the lesson of socialism and why its in its dying days,,

    almost only a year to go in fact.

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  57. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “new age sensitivity”

    I don’t think you said anything about crystals and horoscopes hinamanu. Maybe that’s where you were going wrong? WTF?

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  58. reid (16,457 comments) says:

    To me the question of whether promiscuity is ethical or not, hinges around whether it’s destructive to oneself or others. Promiscuity is only one behaviour of many that is changing our society. I see it as a symptom but perhaps not a cause, of attitude changes that overall are having the most undesirable effects, as exemplified in this article, describing other types of pressures that are robbing UK children of their innocence.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=487168&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source=

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  59. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    Yawn.. Who really gives a f##k?? You go get em’ girls and screw your little arses off. Good for the goose , good for the gander.

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  60. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “To me the question of whether promiscuity is ethical or not, hinges around whether it’s destructive to oneself or others. Promiscuity is only one behaviour of many that is changing our society.”

    So you think that people are having sex with more people because of social pressures? I would have thought it’s more about the irrational religious taboos surrounding sex disappearing? i.e. life long monogamy, sex is “dirty” etc …..

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  61. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Yeah go girls go and if you are all lucky Auntie Helen will have you all playing hookers or ship girls in the next egg on face world rugrigger cup . I know a good panel beater Dougee boy ? oops sorry Helen about what happen in Spain , France , George Bush , etc…, another hex . I know how much you like to speed in cars and all that , but my rugby club has more womens teams than men and everytime I go out its always 10 to one and I come home with a pocket fill of ladies phone numbers ?? Wasn’t like that in my younger days .Oh how things have changed in your feminist cultist regime of socialist wackos on crack !!

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  62. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    simply,,

    moral fibre and conscience are waning,, why we’re seeing so much brutality, child abuse, rape etc.

    abortion is seen as convenient, which has extended to child abuse.

    the fusing of virtual reality with reality. When you can’t discern the difference you’re in big trouble.

    Govt doesn’t help by never leading with common sense.

    their agendas are all whack and thats reflecting on a volatile society.

    The fact govt never measures its decisions by social impact shows people are a very poor last and they act it.

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  63. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Second highest for child abuse and still the socialist /communist’s feminist cultist regime does nothing !!! What a sick country !!!

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  64. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    I think I’ve found out D4J’s true occupation. D4J can you please confirm that it’s you that feature’s in this video?

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  65. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    D4J,,

    the men will be taking over shortly. According to all the right wingers in this blog things will change.

    We’re looking at a right wing, male dominated caucus who happen to be parents.

    Now does that sound wholesome.

    Are all you right wingers in here saying NZ society is going to change for the good.

    Speak up,, don’t want to hear you whinging in 18 mths

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  66. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    I don’t answer too wimpish communist keyboard cowards !~!

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  67. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “moral fibre and conscience are waning,, why we’re seeing so much brutality, child abuse, rape etc.”

    Yes – but that has more to do with the fact that the economy is all about the individual these days. There’s no sense of belonging to a community that cares about the downtrodden and poorest (the ones that do most of the criminal offending). The welfare state is a shadow of its former self (the unemployment benefit is a little over half of what it used to be in the late 1980s), there’s no unions (which used to mitigate labour market segmentation/wage gaps between skilled and non-skilled). We’re just far less of an egalitarian society compared to what we used to be. People at the bottom of the heap feel disenfranchised and even resented – is it any wonder that they don’t respect the rules of society any more?

    This explains increases in violent crime etc – but it has very little to do with the increase in promiscuity – as iIve said that’s more to do with the decline of religious/christian power in society.

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  68. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    Family Planning can take a lot of the blame for this for forcing sex education onto younger and younger children. Take a bow FP *slow clap*

    Idiots

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  69. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    Sweet merciful heavens, Roger? Is it possible we might actually AGREE on an issue? I am stunned and amazed. Quick! Quote me some Wikipedia!

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  70. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    Well I’m glad you threw in he Wikipedia jibe Pascal. I don’t want you feeling too cosy with me – A-hole :-)

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  71. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    What a load of rabbit shit roger , what a weirdo , as your nanny state government argue social responsibility – while at the same time you deliberately undermine family bonds and parental boundaries ??? Work that out sigmund ???

    You are one sick socialist whats up doc wabbit brain simpleton suckhole !!

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  72. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Roger go paint a toilet cubicle a pascal colour and do enjoy shoe tapping nutbar rabbit f##ker !!

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  73. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “while at the same time you deliberately undermine family bonds and parental boundaries ??? ”

    Last i heard James Sleep say you were the one undermining those D4J?

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  74. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    You will hear me talk a lot about toilets leading up to the election roger rabbit as I have nothing to lose – but you have !!

    Bring it on bitch as you are rotten to the core !!

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  75. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Friends in Cali roger , public records and all that , only time will tell !!

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  76. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    Moderators?

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  77. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Moderators

    second that

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  78. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    What can’t I talk about toilets? What pathetic excuses for human beings you both are ??

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  79. natural party of govt (461 comments) says:

    Kiwi women have an average 20.4 sexual partners and Kiwi men have 16.8.

    Either there are a lot of bisexual or lesbian kiwi girls out there or Austrian men visit here a lot on holidays.

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  80. nih (361 comments) says:

    That time Orlando Bloom visited NZ to do some filming blew the curve. Just wait, eventually he’ll have to film in other countries and their statistics will catch right up.

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  81. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    “Either there are a lot of bisexual or lesbian kiwi girls ”

    Every Labour female supporter is twisted like a big buzzard trapped in a honey jar .

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  82. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    Roger: Well I’m glad you threw in he Wikipedia jibe Pascal.

    I had to man, otherwise my world view would have been shaken too much. ;)

    In all honesty I don’t see the whole debate going on here. If men are allowed to be as promiscuous as they like, why can the same standard not apply to women? We live in a gender equal world, anything else is a throwback to the stone age.

    Of course, you only need to look at the number of men who use female insults, or parts of the female anatomy as a pejorative to realize that a large number of them do indeed inhabit these fair shores. And even comment here.

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  83. Ms Klake (7 comments) says:

    All Bound For Mumu Land:

    You almost lost me at ‘feminist’.
    I’m painfully bored by anyone who uses the feminist label for any opinion from a female that they disagree with. It’s really quite, what would you say, stupid:-)

    You really lost me at pro-prostitution abortion-loving feminist PM, Helen Clark. Can you possibly be any more of a cliched feral?

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  84. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “If men are allowed to be as promiscuous as they like, why can the same standard not apply to women? ”

    I don’t agree with the premise. I don’t think men are “allowed to be as promiscuous as they like”. Despite the relatively recent propagation of “progressive” ideas on the issue, I think chastity and fidelity are still virtues that wimmin and men search for with equal intensity. I don’t want any female who’s had more pricks than a second hand dartboard, and I’m sure I wouldn’t view such a woman as much potential as a mother. I’d be surprised if wimmin, from their perspective, view it differently.

    The real issue is Marxist indoctrination. (see Ms Klake above) Wimmin seem to be especially susceptible to manipulation by the left in NZ, and they have drunk the socialist/feminist kool aid in great gulps. Without the female vote, the left wouldn’t ever be in government.

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  85. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “You really lost me at pro-prostitution abortion-loving feminist PM, Helen Clark. Can you possibly be any more of a cliched feral?”

    I can. Easy. But first you’ll need to show me the clichés.

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  86. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “Despite the relatively recent propagation of “progressive” ideas on the issue, I think chastity and fidelity are still virtues that wimmin and men search for with equal intensity.

    And what do you base this opinion? The assumption that everyone holds the same archaic values as you perhaps? Certainly it’s not my social experience that people care a lot about the number of sexual partners a prospective partner has had. In fact the only person I’ve know who’s made a big deal out of this is a 28 year old virgin – and that’s not for a lack of trying to get laid either.

    “I don’t want any female who’s had more pricks than a second hand dartboard, and I’m sure I wouldn’t view such a woman as much potential as a mother.”

    That’s a rather misogynistic metaphor RB. To liken women to “used objects”. Let me guess, you don’t have a lot of luck with the ladies do you? You know what I think that you don’t like about promiscuous women is that they have sex with a lot of people – and yet still won’t fuck you. Isn’t that right bleater?

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  87. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    One sick unit roger rabbit , bang , bang went the irate farmer , let that lead flow brother !!

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  88. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Fuck off Gnome. You bore me to tears.

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  89. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    Is that the best you’ve got? Really bleater that’s rather lame, even for you. So how long has it been bleater – 1 month? 1 year? In fact have you ever been laid?

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  90. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Is that the best you’ve got? ”

    Its all your worth you dumbfuck. Take your pathetic attention seeking infantile crap to the left wing blogosphere and keep it there. I’m sick of your half witted commie drivel cluttering Kiwiblog.

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  91. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “Its all your worth you dumbfuck.”

    I think you’ll find that the correct grammar is

    “It’s all you’re worth you dumbfuck” (that’s if you count “dumbfuck” as a “real word”).

    “Take your pathetic attention seeking infantile crap”

    Bleater – when you’re TRYING to insult someone it’s best that you don’t describe your own behavior to a tee in the process. It just makes you look stupid.

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  92. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    roger rabbit farts” That’s a rather misogynistic metaphor RB’

    I think you have over payed your hand bugs . Do you know the meaning of the word misandry ? All we ever hear about is misogyny but never misandry, which is the hatred or oppression of males . Not wonder you left a comment on my blog suggesting I go pork a feminist , surely roger you have the big mEX disease ??

    Needless to say who that resembles Auntie ?

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  93. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Nice day today Helen ?

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  94. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    RedBaiter: I don’t agree with the premise. I don’t think men are “allowed to be as promiscuous as they like”.

    Then perhaps you need to look a little deeper at the advertising thrown our way and the way people behave. A Friday or Saturday night at the pub, the casual cameraderie of men out on the pull and the acceptance that the ultimate goal of many a young fellow out on a Friday / Saturday night is to seduce some woman into his bed.

    Cases in the media of older women involved with younger men? The usual commentary is that the young lad got lucky (If the woman is halfway decent looking)

    Even looking at our national soap, as Shortland Street, where TK was happy for Hunter having scored the older woman and Sarah was aghast at Tess’ relationship with Hunter ;)

    It’s a comical example, but the world away from the computer is filled with examples of men and sexual activity being viewed as “manly” and normal, while women are supposed to stay cloistered up at home.

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  95. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    d4j: I think you have over payed your hand bugs . Do you know the meaning of the word misandry ?

    In which way? Do you actually EVER make sense?

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  96. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Even looking at our national soap, as Shortland Street, where TK was happy for Hunter having scored the older woman and Sarah was aghast at Tess’ relationship with Hunter ”

    Bleeach… I’ve only ever seen Shortland Street or any such programs at extremely random intervals (never because I’ve made the conscious choice) and I can say I’m pretty sure I’ve never ever seen a full episode. I don’t know the actors and I don’t know the plot and I don’t know the characters. Really, I just feel I can live my life without the need for such shallow empty diversions.

    …and I repeat. I know what the popular perception is. I think that like so many such perceptions, it conflicts with the actuality, and I disagree with your final paragraph. Really, I don’t see anything the least “manly” (to use your word) in the unrestrained servicing of numerous random and loose wimmin. To me it would be the opposite. Anyone so preoccupied would strike me as a weak minded and ineffectual kind of wastrel. Not very “manly” at all.

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  97. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Shortland Street which city is last in , do they have a good pub for the night in Shortland Town or are they all brain dead dumb lunk heads ?

    England went well in the rugger pascal dear -didn’t they , all nice and white – whens coro on again ?

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  98. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    I struggle to comprehend how anyone can be proud of these promiscuity stats.

    We have more education than ever before, yet teen pregnancy and abortion rates continue to climb.

    We have more education than ever before, and yet STI’s are reaching epidemic levels in many communities.

    After several decades more education poor statistics are usually attributed on a lack of education! Perhaps it’s time to look at what we’re teaching… rather than how much we’re not teaching.

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  99. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    RedBaiter: …and I repeat. I know what the popular perception is. I think that like so many such perceptions, it conflicts with the actuality, and I disagree with your final paragraph.

    Fair enough. Why do you think it conflicts with the actuality?

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  100. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Why teach kids crap ? For example , the hubber rubber campaign was as worthless to children as a episode of that pathetic nz soap called shitland street !!

    STD’s are at record levels amongst our youth and the twisted socialists think they can fix it . Its a bit like putting a band aid on arm that has just been through the band saw . The breakdown of social values and the increase of sexual promiscuity is breaking the hearts of so many parents , especially fathers who have young daughters . The system lets these children down, but who gives a crap about governmental systematic failures , failure to provide the necessary support mechanisms, as they are blinded by feminist agenda and continual errors from a government guilty of large scale child abuse !

    Children deserve better than a Labour Government ?

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  101. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “I struggle to comprehend how anyone can be proud of these promiscuity stats.”

    So we should be ashamed of them? If so Why? The increase in STDs isn’t due to promiscuity, it’s due to people not practicing safe sex. I admit that I’ve been a bit promiscuous in the past, but I’ve always practiced safe sex, and I’ve never had an STD. I’ve always treated my partners with respect – I’ve never taken a drunken girl home (unless I’ve been totally off my tits), and I’ve never cheated on anyone. Why should I be ashamed of my behavior?

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  102. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Also… check out Kinsey, who is credited with starting the sexual revolution

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  103. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    You should be ashamed of every word you write !!

    How many children you got Helen ?

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  104. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    D4J: The system lets these children down, but who gives a crap about governmental systematic failures , failure to provide the necessary support mechanisms

    No, D4J. Their communities let them down. Their families let them down. And their parents let them down.

    Or are you now suddenly in favour of governmental interference in the raising of children?

    But see, you are symptomatic of the perceived gender imbalance here.

    “especially fathers who have young daughters”. What about families who have young sons, D4J?

    Should they not be concerned about the increase of sexual promiscuity?

    But no, you and your archaic, misogynistic viewpoint only focuses on one gender.

    krazykiwi: Bear in mind that this is an unofficial study done by Durex, hardly the epitome of scientific research. I don’t believe their numbers, I also don’t believe that too much sexual activity is a good thing (STDs, pregnancies, etc.) however, I do believe that women and men should have the same rights and responsibilities and the same freedoms from negative, social stigma because of their choices.

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  105. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “After several decades more education poor statistics are usually attributed on a lack of education! Perhaps it’s time to look at what we’re teaching… rather than how much we’re not teaching.”

    Yes, but of course the problem does not lie entirely with the schools. Kids are taught a lot these days that is wrong, but unfortunately most of this mis-education occurs at home. The pseudo liberal Hollywood style entertainment industry is one of the most poisonous influences on children.

    I went to a barbecue recently. Whilst the adults were outside enjoying themselves, the children (as young as three and up to teenage) were sat in a semi-circle in front of a wide screen TV watching DVDs of unadulterated Hollywood depravity.

    I’m not a religious person, but you don’t have to be to see the social destruction that results from the influence of Hollywood liberals and their domination of the motion picture/ television industry, and the widespread integration of the perverted twisted and degenerative morals and values they promote, into today’s western society.

    Where once the church was the main source of influence for society’s overall standards of behaviour, it has gradually been supplanted and superseded by the Hollywood entertainment industry. Parents and their children now worship depravity in their own living rooms and I reckon this is the cause of the greater part of the decay in our society today.

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  106. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    d4j: How many children you got Helen ?

    What the fuck does this have to do with the price of tea in China? Are you measuring the worth of a woman now by the number of children she has?

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  107. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Fair enough. Why do you think it conflicts with the actuality?”

    Simply because personally, I know many people who do not buy into it (promiscuity) and few who do. Is your circumstance different? Think about it.

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  108. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    RedBaiter, I’ll repeat the earlier question because I’d like to know why you think this way.

    Why do you think the public perception conflicts with the actuality of male/female promiscuity and it’s acceptance within society?

    And a second question – what movie were they watching?

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  109. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Are you measuring the worth of a woman now by the number of children she has?”

    That can be a valid measure, if one wants it to be. What real value to society are adults who do not pro-create? Imagine if everyone did it? (or is the correct phrase “didn’t do it”)

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  110. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    Redbaiter: Sorry, asked the question again. I just saw your response.

    No, my circumstances is not all that different. Most people I know see it as a gender equivalent, open issue.

    But what you are basing your knowledge on is simply a perception based on your circumstances. That doesn’t suddenly turn it into truth.

    So it’s still a very much debatable point.

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  111. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “And a second question – what movie were they watching?”

    They were watching a whole stack of American style action vidoes. I can’t remember what the titles were.

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  112. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Pascal – please don’t laugh, but I just think you should just turn a whiter shade of pale .

    Children need role models not nanny state government .

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  113. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    Redbaiter: That can be a valid measure, if one wants it to be. What real value to society are adults who do not pro-create?

    As much as the person who chooses to pro-create. For all you know that man choosing to live alone and work into the early hours of the morning every night could be a few months away from the cure for cancer. But he might have chosen to not have children, as his work is more important to him.

    Or the priest, sworn to a vow of chastity. He has immeasurable worth to society. And yet he does not pro-create.

    Then you can look at the drop kicks like Kahui and Nia’s family and think – what the fuck is their value to society? And yet they chose to pro-create.

    It is a choice and making it does not increase nor decrease your value to society.

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  114. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “So it’s still a very much debatable point.”

    I’ve always conceded that. Nonetheless, I stick to my statement, and that is that I don’t personally know many people from either sex who are licentious and I don’t know anyone who would regard such behaviour uncritically.

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  115. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    D4J: Children need role models not nanny state government .

    Then please explain how you can say:

    the system lets these children down, but who gives a crap about governmental systematic failures

    There you are suggesting that it is the responsibility of the system and of the government as that is the entity that has failed children.

    And I tell you it is the parents, their families and their community that has failed the children.

    Do you flip a coin to get your viewpoint after every post?

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  116. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    RedBaiter: I don’t personally know many people from either sex who are licentious

    Again, I don’t dispute your statement or the people you know. I am merely making a statement that I perceive a gender imbalance in how our society views sexual activity amongst men and women.

    Out of curiosity, what would your group of friends or family consider to be licentious and beyond normal, healthy sexual activity?

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  117. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    D4J: Pascal – please don’t laugh, but I just think you should just turn a whiter shade of pale

    I’d love to laugh, but that comment makes just about fuck all sense. Can you explain it, please?

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  118. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “It is a choice and making it does not increase nor decrease your value to society.”

    I have to disagree. I will concede it is not the sole measure by any means, but taking any of your examples of citizens achieving for society, if they do these things, and have children too, they are adding to their value. This is not being critical of those who choose not to, and especially not of those who are unable to because of sterility issues. However to deny the value of pro-creation means one regards children as valueless.

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  119. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    I don’t know many “licentious” (that word implies immorality and unethical behavior) people either baiter. I do know a few relatively promiscuous people, or people who have been promiscuous though.

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  120. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Out of curiosity, what would your group of friends or family consider to be licentious and beyond normal, healthy sexual activity?”

    Most people I know are commited to the fairly traditional one man one woman concept of relationships. I’ve run through a mental list, and I can’t think of one, young or old, that is promiscuous. Not as far as I know anyway. How about your friends?

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  121. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Fuck off Gnome you boring dumbfuck.

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  122. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “However to deny the value of pro-creation means one regards children as valueless.”

    I don’t think anyone’s implied that procreation has no value baiter. It just seems as though people should do it if they want to, and if not, well then why is that a bad thing? It’s not as though this planet’s ever going to be “under-populated” due to women who choose to not have children.

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  123. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “Fuck off Gnome you boring dumbfuck.”

    As usual – you can’t offer a cogent argument so abuse is your only resort. What a child.

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  124. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    RedBaiter: However to deny the value of pro-creation means one regards children as valueless

    No, it does not. There are considerations such as decreasing living space, our natural ecosystems, future sustainability and personal choices coming into the matter. You cannot measure somebody’s worth by their children.

    I applaud people who choose to not have children, despite the popular perception that one must. I’d much rather see people who are in loving, committed relationships nurture a child than what we are seeing in New Zealand these days where anything with a sperm count can have a child, and frequently does.

    It takes commitment, courage and heart from a father and a mother to raise a child.

    RedBaiter: Most people I know are commited to the fairly traditional one man one woman concept of relationships

    One relationship for their entire life? I.e. from the day you met that girl until the day you die, nobody else, ever?

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  125. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    Crap, bad i tags there. My bad.

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  126. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    I don’t play tag but I do war games , dear pascal , go for a walk, as all that steam has fogged up the computer screen .

    I am off rabbit shooting on the Avon .

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  127. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    What steam, D4J? Are you too much of a coward to explain your comments?

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  128. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    Well you’re looking pretty well screwed in this argument baiter. No wonder though – what an idiot premise – “women who have children are superior to women who choose not to have children?” Do you ever stop to think before you decide to get into an argument? Idiot.

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  129. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Bang , bang , great stuff – another two lickspittle rabbits in the bag – over and out .

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  130. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I applaud people who choose to not have children, despite the popular perception that one must. ”

    I don’t. I see it as an abdication of responsibility. There are many negative democraphical outcomes of low birth rates amongst “liberated” western women that are only just starting to be acknowledged.

    “One relationship for their entire life?”

    Realtionships break down of course, but this is not the same as promiscuity. That said, I think that marriage and divorce are regarded far too lightly by certain sectors of society. Those whose perceptions on life are heavily influenced by crap like Shortland street for example.

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  131. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “I don’t. I see it as an abdication of responsibility.”

    What responsibility? Why do you think that women have a responsibility to have children? Who are you to decide that it’s a woman’s responsibility to have children? Bit of a patriarchal attitude don’t you think?

    “There are many negative democraphical outcomes of low birth rates amongst “liberated” western women that are only just starting to be acknowledged.”

    Such as???

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  132. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “Realtionships break down of course, but this is not the same as promiscuity.”

    This is serial monogamy, and it’s the norm in our society. Yet this (perhaps not so scientific) survey has found that NZ women have more sexual partners than any other country.

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  133. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Rabbit droppings “What responsibility? Why do you think that women have a responsibility to have children? Who are you to decide that it’s a woman’s responsibility to have children? Bit of a patriarchal attitude don’t you think?”

    Society and government have a moral responsibility to children to treat the new age phenomenon of fatherlessness . Whats up doc and go nome a roger bugs bunny !

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  134. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    RedBaiter: I don’t. I see it as an abdication of responsibility. There are many negative democraphical outcomes of low birth rates amongst “liberated” western women that are only just starting to be acknowledged.

    Such as? A woman’s worth is not in her ovaries, RedBaiter. She’s worth a lot more than that.

    Realtionships break down of course, but this is not the same as promiscuity.

    Yes, they do and no, that is not promiscuous. However, when asked about promiscuity you indicated anything more than one man / one woman. This to me suggests that either you didn’t understand the question (unlikely) or you believe that any man or any woman should only have one sexual partner in their entire lifetime.

    What happens to people in their twenties through thirties, before they get married?

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  135. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    “Such as? A woman’s worth is not in her ovaries, RedBaiter. She’s worth a lot more than that.”

    Straight from the hateful feminazi handbook.

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  136. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    D4J: Straight from the hateful feminazi handbook

    If acknowledging that a woman is more than simply an instrument for you to breed upon, Dad4Justice, qualifies as a page out of the “hateful feminazi handbook”, then it is a badge I wear with pride.

    I look upon my wife and my daughter as a lot more than simple breeders.

    But, the more I read from you the less surprised I am that you are without your family and your children, if that is your attitude.

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  137. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    Pascal – you actually bother to reply seriously to D4J. Why?

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  138. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    :) Same reason I reply seriously to anyone else who comments here.

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  139. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    ” the more I read from you the less surprised I am that you are without your family and your children, if that is your attitude.”

    The big nasty surprise will be on you Helen . If only you knew the love I share with my children .

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  140. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    Egads! Did I seriously read people writing that a woman who choses not to have children is abdicating some kind of responsibility? Here my poor ovaries were just sitting in my body, minding their own business, and now they find out that they have some debt to pay to the world. Well, I guess me and my ovaries are going to stop playing on the computer – we’ve obviously got some serious work to do.

    Thanks Pascal and Roger – the universe is giving you a big hug right now.

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  141. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “She’s worth a lot more than that.”

    I know that her worth is not limited strictly to bearing children.

    “However, when asked about promiscuity you indicated anything more than one man / one woman.”

    Well I’m sorry if that was the perception you gained from my words, for it has never been my intention to project that idea.

    “What happens to people in their twenties through thirties, before they get married?”

    I don’t understand the question. Different things happen to different people at different times in different circumstance. Are you talking about a women who might be a street walker in Los Angeles or a male student attending the Brigham Young University in Rexburg Idaho, for a couple of random examples?.

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  142. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    D4J: The big nasty surprise will be on you Helen

    Helen? Look, I know it’s tough keeping up with who is who and what is what on an average day … but my name ain’t Helen.

    You might want to cut down on the number of Kiwiblog Aliases, Spiny Normans, Johns, Roberts and whatever else’s you have to maintain on a daily basis.

    It might make it easier to focus on something truthful. Weren’t you out shooting rabbits or pulling wings off flies or something?

    Or are you in the pub with your American mates reading Kiwiblog off a laptop again?

    Or … fuckit. I don’t even really care.

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  143. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    At least I don’t feed flies to my pet lizzard .

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  144. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    RedBaiter: I don’t understand the question. Different things happen to different people at different times in different circumstance.

    It is in reference to the original question – what do you and the people you associate with consider to be promiscuous behavior?

    Whilst I can agree with monagonomous behavior in marriage, I was asking you what you consider to be normal sexual behavior for people in their twenties and thirties, referring in this case to contemporary New Zealand.

    In other words, how many sexual partners can people have before marriage before they tip over the “normal” category and into the “loose” category according to you?

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  145. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    D4j obviously didn’t make his 4 am fishing appointment

    I smelled a rat when he was still online at 10 pm

    And wasn’t he sposed to meet someone at cathedral sq to settle things once and for all.

    Now he’s calling every one Helen

    totally bogus

    watch for the rabid march hare in the revolution spreading rapid automatic fire calling them all Nih, redbaiter and helen

    impossible to miss in his IHC yellows

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  146. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    Thanks Robyn. I only hope that you (or any other woman for that matter) don’t have to deal with any men like D4J and Baiter in your personal life. The sad thing is that many women probably do.

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  147. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    the twenties are a blur.

    you just don’t count anything between the ages of 18-30

    thats the sporting, social drinking, partying, sex mad blanked out golden era.

    the 20’s are not to be taken seriously unless you haven’t got a life

    or you are a middle aged virgin and that is seriously disturbing and your mother is ugly and stole your life.

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  148. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    Actually, reading back over all this, I suspect D4j is nothing like this in real life. “His” (if that IS his real gender) posts are too much like something a clever uni student would make up to take the piss out of the sort of person “he’s” pretending to be. No REAL person could seriously believe those things, right.

    Well done, D4j – you really had me going.

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  149. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    And yes, Roger, we do.

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  150. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    Robyn, click the blue link that is his name. If a Uni Student has that much time at their disposal our universities clearly need to assign more studying material.

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  151. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Thanks Robyn . I just wonder if could email me, as I have two grandmothers and four mum’s battling the horrible cyfs and bias family court who are desperately trying to reconnect with their estranged grandchildren and children ?

    Maybe you could help in what are very dark times for them to endure ?

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  152. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Oh yes Robyn the young lady that was raped by a CYFS approved caregiver needs a bit of a hand darling ?

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  153. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    hinamanu: you just don’t count anything between the ages of 18-30

    This is roughly where I am heading. It’s a time when young people will experiment and find their own feet. Hopefully in that time they’ll meet someone, fall in love and go on to live a long and happy life together.

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  154. Ruth (178 comments) says:

    It is in reference to the original question – what do you and the people you associate with consider to be promiscuous behavior?

    Whilst I can agree with monogamous behavior in marriage, I was asking you what you consider to be normal sexual behavior for people in their twenties and thirties, referring in this case to contemporary New Zealand.

    In other words, how many sexual partners can people have before marriage before they tip over the “normal” category and into the “loose” category according to you?

    Great comment Pascal. I said to Cactus Kate that it think it is very sexist (for want of a better word), to describe NZ women as promiscuous. I doubt men with a similar number of partners would be described as such.

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  155. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    hehe – if only you were right about D4J Robyn :-) Unfortunately the reality is infinitely more disturbing.

    http://dad4justice.blogspot.com/

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  156. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    Yeah, maybe. I’m quite savvy with the law.

    At any rate, I certainly think I could help better than someone who makes the connection between those things and the assumption that I have some sort of abstractly defined responsibility to bear children. The logic there is a wee bit askew. Am I meant to have children so I can give them to the people who are battling CYFS? I suppose that would be quite a good solution…. Your thoughts, please.

    Pascal: Oh…my…god!

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  157. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Oh thanks rabbit

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  158. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    Oh- and now it’s my fault that someone got raped? Care to compare me to Hitler, perhaps? (That’s another great “I’m losing an argument” standby. Best of luck.)

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  159. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “In other words, how many sexual partners can people have before marriage before they tip over the “normal” category and into the “loose” category according to you?”

    Promiscuity is a subjective concept, and seen differently in different societies. (Obviously a looser concept in NZ than many other countries.) That’s why its not simply a matter of numbers, but is more an issue of attitude.

    I know a promiscuous woman from a woman who prefers to a more responsible and discreet approach to her sexuality. One will fuck anything with a dick that she takes a passing fancy to, the other may limit her sexual actions to that person she perceives as a possible long term partner in marriage and pro-creation.

    In the second case, the woman may feel disappointment and frustration if she finds the number of sexual partners is growing after a handful. In the former, no such disappointment will eventuate, and she will happily carry on fucking guys at random without any regard to the numbers.

    For example. Elizabeth Taylor, that ugly old woman, has had numerous husbands, but I don’t think she would be termed promiscuous when compared to say someone like Paris Hilton.

    Not to say that simple minded thugs like Taylor don’t deserve criticism for the way they so publicly denigrate the institution of marriage.

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  160. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    Ruth:

    “I said to Cactus Kate that it think it is very sexist (for want of a better word), to describe NZ women as promiscuous. I doubt men with a similar number of partners would be described as such.”

    I think it depends on the person as to whether it’s a sexist word when applied to women. i.e. if a guy slept with 10 women in one year I would say he’s promiscuous, same for a woman who did the same. I jsut don’t think that being promiscuous or a “slut” (in my mind slut is a non-gender-specific term) is a bad thing.

    I do agree with you that most people in New Zealand don’t see it this way though.

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  161. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    NOBODY, but NOBODY rags on Elizabeth Taylor. She has style, lots of bling, and most importantly, she is a tireless AIDS campaigner bar none.
    And let’s not forget her best ever quote: ‘without homosexuals, we would have no culture.’ Gold.

    The lady is an institution. I will defend her with my last breath.

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  162. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I doubt men with a similar number of partners would be described as such.”

    So what is the origin of the terms “dog,” “rake”, “playboy” or “lecher”?

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  163. Ruth (178 comments) says:

    Agree Roger Nome. The male attitude is quite different…take HOS comment from Paul Henry ” As far as the average male -16.8 partners- I’m not doing too bad.”

    Contrast that to the much maligned Nikki Watson’s response ” I was married at 21 – it’s a lot less that what people may think.”

    Why does she need to say that? That’s life, as you say.

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  164. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    RedBaiter: I know a promiscuous woman from a woman who prefers to a more responsible and discreet approach to her sexuality

    Person. Person. We’re talking about men AND women here. So what’s your gut reaction to this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/4237175a1823.html

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  165. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    “The lady is an institution. I will defend her with my last breath.’

    A women loses her job and it is a tragedy , however when a man is out of work for reasons out of his control – he becomes a deadbeat in a gender bias system .

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  166. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “I know a promiscuous woman from a woman who prefers to a more responsible and discreet approach to her sexuality. One will fuck anything with a dick that she takes a passing fancy to, the other may limit her sexual actions to that person she perceives as a possible long term partner in marriage and pro-creation.”

    So now any woman who doesn’t aim at getting married and having children is “promiscuous”? Do I have to point out to you why that’s an extremely stupid thing to say Baiter?

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  167. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Red,,

    I don’t know if Elizabeth Taylor is a good example.

    As every day people we have no idea of the lifestyle she was accustomed to and her relevance can’t be compared to this blog.

    Promiscuity can be for a number of reasons including victims of abuse and rape.

    The reality is raped females still have sex because sex is healing with the right person.

    Promiscuity can also come from how we were raised in that its seen as normal. Welfare children often see their mother with various men who are outlets for the women emotionally and financially.

    Thats a hard game for the mother to play if it bounces back against the children and unfortunately many Maori women are guilty of it.

    As for female sex addicts, they stick out a mile. Because thats what they want to do and its a thread all of its own. Can talk about them 4 hours.

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  168. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    How about [deleted by DPF] – Robyn you know her , the communist, who has been writing social policy for the feminist cult labour party for a long time ?

    Robyn – why would a communist be in charge of social policy ?
    Ouch – girls !!

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  169. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    Ruth: Why does she need to say that? That’s life, as you say.

    And so very, very wrong. It’s that perception we were talking about earlier – where men are applauded for their sexuality, while women are denigrated for theirs. When in actuality, it should be bullshit and both men and women should be allowed to indulge in consensual relationships as much as they like without having to do a walk of shame.

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  170. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “NOBODY, but NOBODY rags on Elizabeth Taylor. She has style,’

    Sure she has-
    http://dailyblabber.ivillage.com/entertainment/archives/LizTaylor.jpg

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  171. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “So what’s your gut reaction to this:”

    Cheap and nasty.

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  172. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    [deleted by DPF] is a work of art bro , that’s why we got second highest child abuse in western world bro ….

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  173. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    D4j: Will you PLEASE respond to what I said earlier! You’ve shirked the issue and its making me antsy…

    Furthermore, Elizabeth Taylor supported her husbands by working, with the notable exceptions of Mike Todd who was an entrepenuer, and Richard Burton, who was on a comparable salary. I don’t recall any tragedy from her being out of work.

    And am I right in assuming that it’s ok to call a woman a procreation object, but it’s not ok to call a man a money object? I certainly agree that there is a culture to describe a man in this way, but surely identifying this should help you see the flaw in your own argument.

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  174. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Yes, Redbaiter – style.”

    Not to my mind. She’s always been shallow and obvious. Good looking, but that’s about it.

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  175. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “And am I right in assuming that it’s ok to call a woman a procreation object, but it’s not ok to call a man a money object?”

    Two terms that are in reality, hardly comparable.

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  176. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Ok robyn – how about I tell you all about a certain alien police doctor , a women, who was struck off for doing bad things to kids in cyfs care ?

    Careful lady, as this could get very messy for you ?

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  177. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    Agree with hinamanu here – nobody actually knows Elizabeth Taylor personally, or her circumstances – so her personal life is irrelevant to the debate.

    “It’s that perception we were talking about earlier – where men are applauded for their sexuality, while women are denigrated for theirs. When in actuality, it should be bullshit and both men and women should be allowed to indulge in consensual relationships as much as they like without having to do a walk of shame.”

    Exactly.

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  178. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    Why not? Judging a man on his earning potential or stock portfolio is just as sexist as judging a woman on the size of her boobs, wouldn’t you say? And expecting a man to be successful – and thus be the money earning half of a relationship – is just as sexist as saying the woman should stay home with the kids. I would posit that it is the equivalent cultural pressure on men, and it hasn’t changed much since ‘Rebel Without a Cause.’

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  179. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    D4j: I quake with fear.

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  180. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Didn’t think you’d want to go down the road to learn all about the heinous crimes committed by a female police doctor Robyn ?

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  181. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    What are we actually debating here?

    Redbaiter thinks that consensual, respectful and mutually gratifying recreational sex is immoral and bad. Moreover he thinks that women who procreate are more worthy as human beings than ones who choose not to.

    He can’t back either position up with a rational argument. Argument over no?

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  182. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    THAT WAS SARCASM!!! I’m not really quaking with fear!
    For the last time, D4j, if you’re just going to threaten me by throwing together random posts from your personal catalogue of “bad things that are the general fault of stroppy women,” I have nothing else to say.

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  183. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Roger,,

    Red is consistent with male chauvinists. Keep women barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen

    No hypocrisy on his behalf there

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  184. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    “Screw feminism, another mask for Marxist hatred.”

    Thanx swifty

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  185. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Robyn,,

    My theory has been if we all ignore D4J he will peak ansd either disappear or get banned through his puerile outrages.

    He is simply a spoilt stroppy child who needs to be coverd in a shroud of silence and treated as a non-entity.

    This procedure has worked for me and he no longer comments on ma posts cause I have shown to be completely ignorant of him.

    The only reason I’m comenting on him is to reinforce my theory to let a dog go to sleep and let it lie

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  186. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “No hypocrisy on his behalf there”

    I didn’t accuse him of hypocrisy, only a lack of reasoned argument.

    Of course you’re right that he’s a male chauvinist though.

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  187. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Thank bro are all in your tribe backstabber’s ?

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  188. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    I’m with you guys, Roger & Hinamanu. And I’m really, really – no, really, seriously pleased that you think that way.
    It makes me feel a bit better about the world. Feminism is pretty hard these days, there’s no “movement,” no fun, drug supplemented marches, just long, boring slogs of changing language, reinvestiagting the cannon and so forth. And, of course, arguing with those few mysoginists, who, like bigfoot, are occasionally glimpsed still living in the wilds.

    That’ll be all from me.
    REK

    In addition: Hinamanu: yup, there’s some damn fine logic there.

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  189. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    Redbaiter: Not to my mind. She’s always been shallow and obvious. Good looking, but that’s about it.

    The 1992 Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award. The Elizabeth Taylor Aids Foundation. Order of the British Empire. Two academy awards. One could go on, but I fear it’s not necessary.

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  190. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    Robyn: And, of course, arguing with those few mysoginists, who, like bigfoot, are occasionally glimpsed still living in the wilds.

    That almost begs a cartoon ;)

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  191. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    No wonder the all blacks are shit

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  192. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “I’m with you guys, Roger & Hinamanu. And I’m really, really – no, really, seriously pleased that you think that way. It makes me feel a bit better about the world.”

    Thank all of the feminist women that have been, and continue to be in my life :-) Without them I would hate to think what I would be like now.

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  193. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    No wonder wimps like roger are your next all black crop .

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  194. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Why not?”

    Because one is a bioligal term pertaining to the female of any species, and the other is merely an extremely general term that can be applied to man or woman. (or even an animal.)

    “Judging a man on his earning potential or stock portfolio is just as sexist as judging a woman on the size of her boobs, wouldn’t you say?”

    Not at all, and for the same basic reason. Men and wimmin can both have “earning potential” or a stock portfolio. Only wimmin can have boobs.

    “And expecting a man to be successful – and thus be the money earning half of a relationship – is just as sexist as saying the woman should stay home with the kids.”

    I didn’t say this, but anyway, seeing you raised it, it is not necessarily “sexist”. It may be just the most practical solution to the task of pro-creation. Seeing as how its a system manifested so often in nature, perhaps there’s a reason for it. (Man, you’re so politically correct aren’t you?)

    “I would posit that it is the equivalent cultural pressure on men, and it hasn’t changed much since ‘Rebel Without a Cause.’”

    What’s that? A hollywood movie? Yeah, well given that some half baked celluloid fantasy is the basis of your reasoning, it explains a lot about why you might hold the opinions you do.

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  195. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    Actually, there’s one last thing: I didn’t realise that DPF had recommented on the first thing I wrote. In response, I say this:
    David,
    It wasn’t obvious ‘cos I wasn’t laughing. Instead, your joke merely joined the nauseating chorus of “oh, isn’t it terribly funny when women try to be taken seriously in their own right.” It’s pretty hard to distinguish that kind of laughter from the other, more “boraxy” kind.
    The point is, when you put something into the public sphere, as Roger and Hinamanu quickly pointed out to me, you should try to make it as clear as possible. Otherwise it can cause insult and offense, and you might, accidentally, appear insensitive.
    Which you did.
    Chur, bro.

    PS: Yay Pascal! E.T. and I thank you.

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  196. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “One could go on, but I fear it’s not necessary.”

    Its not. Look at the men she’s teamed up with? Moron’s most of them. She’s just another boring narcissist. If you’re talking older women, give me Lynn Cheney any day. Now there’s real class.

    BTW, awards??? Pfffft.. what do they mean?? Al Fucken Gore just got the Nobel Peace Prize. FFS..!!!

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  197. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Go girls you can do anything ?

    Hey bro Jake the Muss was kewl -eh ? everybody down the pub thought it was a good movie , eh, seen banjo Kahui around the traps ?

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  198. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    So why do you think that women who “procreate” are morally superior to women who don’t Baiter? You still haven’t provided a rational argument to support this premise.

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  199. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    Oh shit – now I’m logged back in I have to respond to redbaiter.

    You know that art quite often reflects the ideology of the time in which it was produced, eh? There are some theorists you can read if you’re curious. Linda Nochlin is a favourite of mine.

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  200. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “You know that art quite often reflects the ideology of the time in which it was produced, eh?”

    Like all those anti Jew movies that were made in Germany at the time Hitler was exterminating them? Like Al Gore’s AGW movie that has just been exposed as utter lies by a British High Court judge? Yep, artists, they really know what’s what don’t they?

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  201. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    And, would someone PLEASE define “politically correct” for me? I suspect it’s one of those words like “family values” that has no actual, locatable meaning, yet it is used every day in the media and on blogs like these. DPF, I notice, has a whole section with this title.

    But I really do have to go.
    Twas fun.

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  202. Robyn E. Kenealy (26 comments) says:

    Yes, redbaiter, EXACTLY like those. Hollywood does that too, you know. It’s just a mite less obvious when it’s the culture YOU live in.

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  203. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    ‘art reflecting its time’

    Must’ve been the artistic genuises whe were interpreted properly.

    Thats why I prefer Dahli over Warhol

    Dahli could create totally complex images and be understood

    A can of soup…. Brilliant PR, but not art.

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  204. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “politically correct”

    A phrase that is part of the strategy that leftists have adopted as a means of silencing opposition to ideas that they consider paramount in their pursuit of a totalitarian political system. People who adopt political or social positions that challenge the ascendant leftist political perceptions are ridiculed in attempts to marginalize them and their views. Its basically a modern day manifestation of this declaration-

    “Members and front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them as fascist, or Nazi or insane. The association will, after enough repetition, become “fact” in the public mind.” –Communist Party, Moscow Central Committee 1943

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  205. Peak Oil Conspiracy (3,326 comments) says:

    Phillip John/Roger Nome:

    Thank all of the feminist women that have been, and continue to be in my life :-) Without them I would hate to think what I would be like now.

    Is this the same guy who asked D4J if he’s been “porked” by a feminist? And what would you be like now exactly?

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  206. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “And what would you be like now exactly?”

    A cheap cowardly liar and a desperate attention seeker. That’s what he’d be like right now.

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  207. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    POC – Just having some fun with D4J.

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  208. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “A cheap cowardly liar and a desperate attention seeker. That’s what he’d be like right now.”

    Out of arguments and back to insults hey red? The more things change the more they stay the same.

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  209. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    ‘Just having some fun with D4J.”

    I will let my lawyers decide that after they have read 63 offensive emails from you Phillip John……..

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  210. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    POC – Just having some fun with D4J.

    63? Can’t be any more than 5 light hearted digs (on your blog) surely? In any case I’ll see you in court with a phone book full of you abusive kiwiblog comments D4J. Anyone feel like giving testament to dad’s frequent outbursts of abuse, and threats of physical violence? Could be fun :-)

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  211. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    I actually think Reds analysise of P C is right on the button

    Everything stems from ‘Alice in Wonderland’ where common sense was ridiculed and scorned. People are still saying “where is the common sense in that?”

    People should start using the word ‘agenda’ more

    All govts are fronts for agendas. In 18 months we’ll be complaining about Nationals agendas. and funny how they don’t overturn Labours agendas,,
    just give everything a different name.

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  212. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    D4J, didn’t turn up at the square like he said,, or go fishing

    Can hardly see him in court

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  213. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “People are still saying “where is the common sense in that?”

    The problem is that “common sense” is a subjective term, which means different things to different social groups, cultures, genders and individuals. What’s more, the understanding of common sense according to these subjectives is in a constant state of flux. Kind of shows what a nonsensical term “PC” is really.

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  214. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    I know hinamanu – more fun with D4J. As I see it there are two rules of engagement when responding to D4J.

    1) Don’t do it!

    2) If you have to, don’t be serious!

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  215. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    hey bro your tribe got a claim on roger rabbits ?

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  216. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    you never shot a rabbit and you aint no friend of mine

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  217. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    hehehehe

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  218. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    You can laugh it up now D4J but what are you going to do when your daughters become feminists and decide that they like other women?

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  219. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Which is why I’ll never encourage feminists,, I’ll never get a hug from them

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  220. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “Which is why I’ll never encourage feminists”

    Why – just because some might like other women doesn’t mean they don’t like (some) men too ;-)

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  221. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Now I am confused , are you saying a married women can like other women and other men , roger , well I be , funny old rabbit burrow you live in ?

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  222. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “Now I am confused”

    What so you mean now? I thought that was your default state?

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  223. Peak Oil Conspiracy (3,326 comments) says:

    Phillip John/Roger Nome:

    You seem to conflate “lesbian” and “feminist” – there’s a clear difference. Or am I misunderstanding you?

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  224. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “You seem to conflate “lesbian” and “feminist” – there’s a clear difference. Or am I misunderstanding you?”

    The conflation was designed to appeal to D4J’s prejudices and enrage him etc …. I thought that was obvious?

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  225. Peak Oil Conspiracy (3,326 comments) says:

    Hmmm… it probably slipped past me.

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  226. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    Here’s a thought for you all to ponder..What about the extraordinary high number of woman who are sexually abused as children in NZ, whom (in many instances), go on to be promiscuous throughout their lives, (usually as a result of their low, self-esteem)

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