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Redpublictransport
I wasnt trying to be funny.
I have serious reservations about the quality of education in NZ
As an example, it has been recently announced that the maths curriculum will focus more on statistics. Whilst statistics is a wonderful way of justifying any point of view (very useful for social engineering), in the real world calculus, geometry and algebra are far more useful.
“As an example, it has been recently announced that the maths curriculum will focus more on statistics. Whilst statistics is a wonderful way of justifying any point of view (very useful for social engineering), in the real world calculus, geometry and algebra are far more useful.”
Just because the curriculum will focus more on statistics does not mean that it will be taught more than other math topics. The statistics component only takes up about a sixth of the maths curriculum.
But thats fine spin it the direction that suits
bwakile
As an example, it has been recently announced that the maths curriculum will focus more on statistics. Whilst statistics is a wonderful way of justifying any point of view (very useful for social engineering), in the real world calculus, geometry and algebra are far more useful.
One plus one equals two (1 + 1 = 2)
So now we will need a Govt department to confirm this, there could be some veriable arithmetic involved here.
This will mean a pass, or tried well, or possibly tried well, or needs analising, or not so good comment.
Helen (I can call you that since we have been on first name terms on a number
of occasions over the years)
I’m angry. I have voted for Labour for all my adult life, been a member for
some of that time, and want to vote for it again. But I can’t.
Because a vote for Labour, this time, means a vote against free speech and
democracy and that is far more important than all the other issues.
If we don’t have complete freedom of speech we have nothing. Well, not quite
nothing – we have paternalism (maternalism?), we have a taxpayer-funded leg-up
for any MP, even the opposition ones which is weird.
We have the assumption that the poor ignorant voters are easily hoodwinked and
need to be protected from themselves, in spite of the fact that the big
Exclusive Brethren spend-up probably kept National out of government precisely
because the dear old voter is not so ignorant.
I’m so disappointed in you and Jeanette words fail me.
Which is just as well because in a couple of months, if they don’t they could
land me in jail. Because I will never, ever, ever register myself or a placard
with the cops prior to waving it.
I know this too – the Helen Clark who marched on civil issues with me and my
friends 25 years ago wouldn’t have either. No way! And don’t tell me times
have changed because they haven’t.
You have.
Clearly, this woman and people like her have the homes into which the Nielsen “Peoplemeters” are installed. Thus we get a self-perpetuating cycle of stupid people watching stupid people, which other stupid people then go and duplicate. Hence the epitome of my theory: “Celebrity Treasure Island”, or indeed anything with the word “celebrity” in it.
In Australia there’s now a karaoke show simultaneously on two of the three commercial TV channels. Thank heavens for the ABC and, to a lesser extent, SBS.
The really scary thing, though, is that these same people get to vote
Short shrivelled
I wasn’t trying to spin anything.
I heard it said on the news that greater emphasis was being placed on statistics and as I have son about to start ncea, I took note.
Great. I wish him luck. Make sure he keeps himself on track, and I’m going to choose to believe (without any reservation I might add) that you’re an excellent Father, and that you will keep him on track throughout his three years in college.
Now that you say that, it does ring a bell. The problem so far, is that statistics hasn’t been granted enough time throughout the learning year to be taught to the best extent it could. The other topics will not be neglected, far from it. It’s just a matter of getting the best out of the students through a more workable curriculum.
Honestly though, I really hope your son excels. I doubt that you wouldn’t, but none the less I’ll say it: take an active interest in his schooling and keep him on track. I can’t stress this enough, support at home is the key to success at school. It makes such a difference.
Thanks Redbus
I try to be a good father.
I quess at the end of the day I am sick of crap coming out of Wellington and take everything I hear with a grain of salt.
Would be very happy if the people elected to govern us did so with a sense of humility and respect for the people they represent.
Bwakile said… As an example, it has been recently announced that the maths curriculum will focus more on statistics. Whilst statistics is a wonderful way of justifying any point of view (very useful for social engineering), in the real world calculus, geometry and algebra are far more useful.
Nope, wrong. Statistics & Differential calculus becomes one at a more advanced level, ie, Stochastic Differential Calculus and it is heavily used in modeling of financial derivatives. I think that most still view stats as a simple univariate tool. At advanced multivariate level stats isn’t just used in social engineering but applied in real world engineering applications, such as designing of advance DSP (digital signal processor) chipset for modern electronics. DSP engineers must understand multivariate statistics (statistical signal processing) in order to design DSPs that are very effective (performance-wise). So, teaching stats is as useful as teaching calculus and algebra.
BTW, who knows that the blonde woman appeared to be a dumb one but might be a genius statistician?
FF
I don’t disagree with you but a very small pecentage of the population will ever use statistics to that level. A lot of people will just be happy because they have been told they are on the “Average” wage.
BTW I ‘m civil engineer by trade and still remember how much we all hated statistics in stage 1.
“Would be very happy if the people elected to govern us did so with a sense of humility and respect for the people they represent.”
- Agreed. It becomes an all too frequent trait of many politicians to get a sense of vanity. In many cases, they get caught up in the Parliament complex, with questions coming from the Press. It becomes its own world, and at times those within lose touch with their actual purpose as a representative. I think thats rather similar to what Mark Blumsky said when we ousted himself. I found him to be an nice man. He actually had a concern and an interest in the things the constituents said. I know that because I contacted him about taking a stance on giving Dominion Day the endorsement of the State. He just didn’t have the gravitas to effectively do anything within Parliament and the Party Caucus. Sad really – it happens in every party.
“but a very small pecentage of the population will ever use statistics to that level.”
- Most year 13 students (they have a choice of either Calculus, Stats, or both in yr13) choose Stats over Calc. Whether or not they further their studies in Uni with either is a mute point as the emphasis on statistics is mostly relevant to yr12′s and yr11′s.
thank you, thank you. i needed this
btw: redbus is such a complete fuckwit i cannot believe you still let him post! If you’re not going to ban him, how about putting a limit on how OFTEN he can post and how many words he gets to use when he does?
“how about putting a limit on how OFTEN he can post and how many words he gets to use when he does?”
- This, coming from an the same person who, I presume, purports to oppose the ‘attack on our freedom of speech’. Tell me, what in my comments offends you so much?
My wife and I both independently concluded this is Kellie Pickler of ex-American Idol notriety. She has a strikingly similar speech pattern – and conversation style. Did anyone else reach the same conclusion?
Damn. That’ll teach me for not reading right through to the end of my frigging links:
Kellie Pickler appeared on Jeff Foxworthy’s show, “Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader?”. Pickler was asked: Budapest is the capital of what European country?
So she might be “dumb” – but she’s in the money (and out of Dr Cullen’s reach).
December 3rd, 2007 at 5:30 pm
She thinks Europe is a country and she still wins $25,000…
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 5:36 pm
France is not a country, but it doesn’t matter if you are Hungry, as you always have Turkey at Santa Claus time .
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 5:40 pm
Was that an audition for the role of next Labour Minister for Auckland Issues?
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 5:43 pm
Actually inventory2 she wants to replace winston as foriegn minister.
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Welcome to Texas. That’s in the USA, I think.
Yes, its easy to laugh along and I did.
But there’s also an innocence and charm and openness in many Americans that is appealing and its evident here.
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 5:56 pm
I didn’t realise they had NCEA in America.
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 6:33 pm
bwakile, the evidence would suggest that they have had ncea for many years.
Vote:shudder….. anybody else think she was hot
December 3rd, 2007 at 6:35 pm
hotter than a speeding motorcade
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 6:47 pm
Sure she’s dumb but she is a lot of fun. What do you prefer?
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 6:47 pm
Fun over matter ?
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 6:55 pm
NICE
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 8:28 pm
That even makes Dubya look brainy…
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 8:28 pm
I think the correct term is “her heart’s in the right place.”
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 9:12 pm
“Was that an audition for the role of next Labour Minister for Auckland Issues?”
- That was funny.
“I didn’t realise they had NCEA in America.”
Vote:- That wasn’t.
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:13 pm
i think i love her
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 9:17 pm
God… I actually watched it just then… That’s amazing! Doesn’t NZ have one of these shows now??
Would anybody else love to see them interview MP’s???
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 9:22 pm
Redpublictransport
I wasnt trying to be funny.
I have serious reservations about the quality of education in NZ
As an example, it has been recently announced that the maths curriculum will focus more on statistics. Whilst statistics is a wonderful way of justifying any point of view (very useful for social engineering), in the real world calculus, geometry and algebra are far more useful.
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 9:33 pm
“As an example, it has been recently announced that the maths curriculum will focus more on statistics. Whilst statistics is a wonderful way of justifying any point of view (very useful for social engineering), in the real world calculus, geometry and algebra are far more useful.”
Vote:Just because the curriculum will focus more on statistics does not mean that it will be taught more than other math topics. The statistics component only takes up about a sixth of the maths curriculum.
But thats fine spin it the direction that suits
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:35 pm
When was that announced?
I think you’ll find that math in Years 11 & 12 actually focuses on algebra in every topic.
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 9:43 pm
bwakile
As an example, it has been recently announced that the maths curriculum will focus more on statistics. Whilst statistics is a wonderful way of justifying any point of view (very useful for social engineering), in the real world calculus, geometry and algebra are far more useful.
One plus one equals two (1 + 1 = 2)
So now we will need a Govt department to confirm this, there could be some veriable arithmetic involved here.
Vote:This will mean a pass, or tried well, or possibly tried well, or needs analising, or not so good comment.
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:48 pm
Helen (I can call you that since we have been on first name terms on a number
of occasions over the years)
I’m angry. I have voted for Labour for all my adult life, been a member for
some of that time, and want to vote for it again. But I can’t.
Because a vote for Labour, this time, means a vote against free speech and
democracy and that is far more important than all the other issues.
If we don’t have complete freedom of speech we have nothing. Well, not quite
nothing – we have paternalism (maternalism?), we have a taxpayer-funded leg-up
for any MP, even the opposition ones which is weird.
We have the assumption that the poor ignorant voters are easily hoodwinked and
need to be protected from themselves, in spite of the fact that the big
Exclusive Brethren spend-up probably kept National out of government precisely
because the dear old voter is not so ignorant.
I’m so disappointed in you and Jeanette words fail me.
Which is just as well because in a couple of months, if they don’t they could
land me in jail. Because I will never, ever, ever register myself or a placard
with the cops prior to waving it.
I know this too – the Helen Clark who marched on civil issues with me and my
friends 25 years ago wouldn’t have either. No way! And don’t tell me times
have changed because they haven’t.
You have.
Sorry.
Chris Hegan
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 10:10 pm
Clearly, this woman and people like her have the homes into which the Nielsen “Peoplemeters” are installed. Thus we get a self-perpetuating cycle of stupid people watching stupid people, which other stupid people then go and duplicate. Hence the epitome of my theory: “Celebrity Treasure Island”, or indeed anything with the word “celebrity” in it.
In Australia there’s now a karaoke show simultaneously on two of the three commercial TV channels. Thank heavens for the ABC and, to a lesser extent, SBS.
The really scary thing, though, is that these same people get to vote
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 10:27 pm
Short shrivelled
Vote:I wasn’t trying to spin anything.
I heard it said on the news that greater emphasis was being placed on statistics and as I have son about to start ncea, I took note.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:46 pm
Great. I wish him luck. Make sure he keeps himself on track, and I’m going to choose to believe (without any reservation I might add) that you’re an excellent Father, and that you will keep him on track throughout his three years in college.
Now that you say that, it does ring a bell. The problem so far, is that statistics hasn’t been granted enough time throughout the learning year to be taught to the best extent it could. The other topics will not be neglected, far from it. It’s just a matter of getting the best out of the students through a more workable curriculum.
Honestly though, I really hope your son excels. I doubt that you wouldn’t, but none the less I’ll say it: take an active interest in his schooling and keep him on track. I can’t stress this enough, support at home is the key to success at school. It makes such a difference.
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 10:50 pm
By crikey, she’s a bit of alright! Thick as pig shit though….US isolationism and blonde hair equal HER!
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 10:56 pm
Thanks Redbus
Vote:I try to be a good father.
I quess at the end of the day I am sick of crap coming out of Wellington and take everything I hear with a grain of salt.
Would be very happy if the people elected to govern us did so with a sense of humility and respect for the people they represent.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:59 pm
Bwakile said…
As an example, it has been recently announced that the maths curriculum will focus more on statistics. Whilst statistics is a wonderful way of justifying any point of view (very useful for social engineering), in the real world calculus, geometry and algebra are far more useful.
Nope, wrong. Statistics & Differential calculus becomes one at a more advanced level, ie, Stochastic Differential Calculus and it is heavily used in modeling of financial derivatives. I think that most still view stats as a simple univariate tool. At advanced multivariate level stats isn’t just used in social engineering but applied in real world engineering applications, such as designing of advance DSP (digital signal processor) chipset for modern electronics. DSP engineers must understand multivariate statistics (statistical signal processing) in order to design DSPs that are very effective (performance-wise). So, teaching stats is as useful as teaching calculus and algebra.
BTW, who knows that the blonde woman appeared to be a dumb one but might be a genius statistician?
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 11:07 pm
FF
I don’t disagree with you but a very small pecentage of the population will ever use statistics to that level. A lot of people will just be happy because they have been told they are on the “Average” wage.
BTW I ‘m civil engineer by trade and still remember how much we all hated statistics in stage 1.
Vote:December 3rd, 2007 at 11:14 pm
“Would be very happy if the people elected to govern us did so with a sense of humility and respect for the people they represent.”
Vote:- Agreed. It becomes an all too frequent trait of many politicians to get a sense of vanity. In many cases, they get caught up in the Parliament complex, with questions coming from the Press. It becomes its own world, and at times those within lose touch with their actual purpose as a representative. I think thats rather similar to what Mark Blumsky said when we ousted himself. I found him to be an nice man. He actually had a concern and an interest in the things the constituents said. I know that because I contacted him about taking a stance on giving Dominion Day the endorsement of the State. He just didn’t have the gravitas to effectively do anything within Parliament and the Party Caucus. Sad really – it happens in every party.
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:18 pm
“but a very small pecentage of the population will ever use statistics to that level.”
Vote:- Most year 13 students (they have a choice of either Calculus, Stats, or both in yr13) choose Stats over Calc. Whether or not they further their studies in Uni with either is a mute point as the emphasis on statistics is mostly relevant to yr12′s and yr11′s.
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:38 pm
thank you, thank you. i needed this
Vote:btw: redbus is such a complete fuckwit i cannot believe you still let him post! If you’re not going to ban him, how about putting a limit on how OFTEN he can post and how many words he gets to use when he does?
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:49 pm
“BTW, who knows that the blonde woman appeared to be a dumb one but might be a genius statistician?”
I’m fairly certain she knows how many different colours of lipstick she has in her handbag. [o;
Vote:December 4th, 2007 at 12:31 am
“how about putting a limit on how OFTEN he can post and how many words he gets to use when he does?”
Vote:- This, coming from an the same person who, I presume, purports to oppose the ‘attack on our freedom of speech’. Tell me, what in my comments offends you so much?
December 4th, 2007 at 12:40 am
My wife and I both independently concluded this is Kellie Pickler of ex-American Idol notriety. She has a strikingly similar speech pattern – and conversation style. Did anyone else reach the same conclusion?
Presumably her Wikibio hasn’t been hacked:
Vote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kellie_Pickler
December 4th, 2007 at 12:58 am
Damn. That’ll teach me for not reading right through to the end of my frigging links:
So she might be “dumb” – but she’s in the money (and out of Dr Cullen’s reach).
Vote:December 4th, 2007 at 1:37 am
“Most year 13 students (they have a choice of either Calculus, Stats, or both in yr13) choose Stats over Calc.”
They see Stats as being easier than Calc. Calculus is a big scary word. My Stats class was 3x larger than my Calc one.
Girls, in general, arent as good at maths as boys. Which class do you think is likely to have more girls?
They feel they have to take a maths class, so they choose the one they think is easiest.
Vote:December 4th, 2007 at 8:37 am
Only reason I watched American Idol that season….
Vote:December 4th, 2007 at 8:45 am
Kimble,
Easy, the boys will go where the girls are! That’s enough to bias any statistical analysis – stochastic or otherwise.
Vote:December 4th, 2007 at 10:02 am
Well, I think she’s LOVELY…..
Vote:July 13th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Gosh that was painful to watch … almost as painful as my know ledge that she’s from American Idol …she was in the top 10 ten last season I think ?
Good lord Bless her soul ( in a southern accent)
Vote: