Clark confirms Peters stays regardless of Privileges

September 22nd, 2008 at 10:19 am by David Farrar

has confirmed, according to NewstalkZB, that she is keeping Peters on as a Minister regardless of the outcome from the .

The Prime Minister says the whole process of investigation into New Zealand First’s finances has been tainted from the outset.

What is she referring to? Does she mean those Labour MPs who argued against or voted against even asking to call evidence? If they had got their way it would have been a cover up – just like the original inquiry into Taito Phillip Field that cleared him.

Helen Clark says the privileges committee process has been totally unsatisfactory in terms of any natural justice. She says for that reason she is unlikely to be forced into a decision over Winston Peters this week. She says it has become so politicised with some MPs going into committee with made up minds before they had even heard a single piece of evidence.

Dail Jones arguably yes. I doubt anyone else had a closed mind. Even I have changed my mind on what Peters may have done wrong, as evidence emerged.

But the PM also misses the point here. The issue is not so much the outcome of the Privileges Committee, but the information disclosed by its inquiries. In one sense it does not matter greatly what the Committee recommends (the House decides). What matters is what has been disclosed about the veracity of a Minister in her Government.

The process used by the Privileges Committee has exposed that Peters has lied repeatedly – to the media, to the public and to the Privileges Committee. There is no real reasonable doubt about that. The evidence that Peters knew about the donations is as firm as you can get without an actual tape recording of their conversation.

So Clark is saying she has no problems with Ministers who lie, lie and lie again. So long as their parties vote to keep her in power. This is the standard of Government Helen Clark is happy with. And Clark wants to campaign on “trust” – bring it on.

However, Miss Clark very much doubts there will be anything to justify Mr Peters’ reinstatement. She intends to continue burning the midnight oil doing his old job as Foreign Minister.

It is important for people to realise how misleading those comments are. First of all Peters is still a Minister with all the baubles of office – except actually having to do any work. Secondly he was suspended from his portfolios purely on the basis of the SFO investigation, so Helen suggesting she is being restrained by not reinstating him due to the Privileges Committee is inane.

The big issue is whether Clark will rule out Peters as a Minister after the election. So long as she won’t, then people need to be reminded:

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56 Responses to “Clark confirms Peters stays regardless of Privileges”

  1. alex Masterley (1,523 comments) says:

    Joined at the hip!

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  2. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    He has her more scared of him than she is of losing the election.

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  3. PhilBest (5,125 comments) says:

    Wow. It looked SOO like Winnie had something on Helen, speculation has been swirling, you would have thought Helen would never have gone this far and made it soo obvious……so what IS it?

    Thank goodness this didn’t happen to a NATIONAL PM in coalition with “the poison Winnie”; but remember Jenny Shipley? She had the guts and the principles to draw a line in the sand……..the result? No accomodations with “poison Winnie”, but the political wilderness for her, and 9 years for the Nats…….COME ON, NZ Voters, let’s see some JUSTICE…….

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  4. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Where are the damn Police?? The SFO?? What a corrupt country.

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  5. CraigM (694 comments) says:

    How does she get away with this?

    seriously, are reporters actually physically scared of her? This would be the easiest comment to take her to task on, if someone would just ask her the right question and not be intimdated by the BS answer they would get, and just keep asking until she cracks.

    When this all hit the fan, she protected him by saying that he is an ‘honourable” member and she had to take his word.

    1. Peters has proven himself to be a dishonourable member by his constant lies.
    2. The members of the committtee are not “honourable” members as they went into this with their minds made up. Why does she not take the word of all honourable members, especially those who have not been proven to be liars?

    Is there anyone left who doesn’t think that Peter’s has something on Clark, that is so serious as to make her behave like this?

    Anyone else spouting the filth she does would be crucified by the media.

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  6. DJP6-25 (1,389 comments) says:

    I’m sure she already has her diplomatic passport, and has sent her CV to the UN. I suppose Winston will go back to lawyering. Only a few more weeks of the Clark-Peters Axis :-)

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  7. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    “seriously, are reporters actually physically scared of her?”

    you’ve seen those teeth (the real ones, not the airbrushed publicity fraud) and that threatening snarl haven’t you?

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  8. NeillR (351 comments) says:

    From her statement one can only assume that the Privileges committee is going to rule against Winston – but she’s going to ignore it in a high-handed way. Looks like she was right all along when she said that it will be left up to the “court of public opinion” which is delivering a verdict to the fairies as we speak.

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  9. coventry (322 comments) says:

    NeillR – Ignore it, she will probably promote him to Governor General based on the PC findings.

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  10. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    ……so what IS it?

    Probably nothing more than she might need him after the election. I’d call that too big a price to pay, but that’s just me.

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  11. mike12 (183 comments) says:

    At least South Africa and Israel have some standards

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  12. dave (988 comments) says:

    Helen Clark has confirmed, according to NewstalkZB, that she is keeping Peters on as a Minister regardless of the outcome from the Privileges Committee.

    I thought she had already pretty much confirmed that.

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  13. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    Dont often agree with the PM but as regards the PC she is correct

    Peters should have appeared before a Council of Citizens made up of 12 men and women selected as for a jury.

    the PC is selfinterested and self centred and displays no elements of good governance principles.

    Whilst the jury system aint perfect its a hell of a sight better than the PC

    Government should be for the people by the people NOT for the Pollies by the pollies

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  14. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    BTW anyone lese spot Clarks 2 faced dealings On the one hand she has predetermined her position BEFORE the PC has reached a decision

    Yet on the other hand she is refraining from taking a decision until the Police and SFO complete their investigations.

    The womans got her bowels twisted

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  15. Dock (43 comments) says:

    Man of Man.

    I never thought I would see the day when the leader of South Africa had more moral principles than this shit house lot in Parliament.

    He is stepping down becuase of accusations of corruption.

    Hell we have had even our Prime Minister confirmed by the police over the painting affair that she indulged in a corrupt practice.

    She is still here.

    Winston must have something big on her.

    I hope it all falls to shit for them after the election and the gullible Kiwi voters will then realise just how much they were shafted for so many years.

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  16. casual watcher (289 comments) says:

    This is a Corruption of the processes and systems that underpin our Parliament. Everything is now politicised and therefore negotiable. We are nothing more than a corrupt little 3rd World dictatorship. This country has lost its pride and self respect and noone aside of a couple of Editors in the press give a shit – just pathetic and gutless.

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  17. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Winston must have something big on her.”

    Maybe. Where’s the media on this aspect??

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  18. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    Look on the bright side casual watcher.

    It is such a lovely scenic place to live, so clean and green. It’s also a world leader on climate change and the social welfare is world class. Crime is low, we have a government that cares about each and every one of us, a fair tax system, the economy is in safe hands and our politicians will not throw the towel in at when confronted by lies and conspiracy theories.

    Did I mention how lovely and clean and green it is?

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  19. PhilBest (5,125 comments) says:

    Mike12, good point re Israel, if Helen goes to the UN, she will of course be part of an organisation that spends most of its time criticising Israel and ignoring what goes on among their truly worst members…..

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  20. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    Redbaiter the media dont have any concrete evidence on the (cough) incident so even those who would cant.

    It needs a whistle blower and there werent many involved directly in the (cough) incident.

    Of course Luigi could always arrange for a whistleblower or for documents to be “left” in a place that the media might just “stumble” upon..

    And its the later than scares her most.

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  21. Ryan Sproull (7,288 comments) says:

    So if people vote for National, they’re making it so that Labour has to go with NZ First to stay in power, right?

    So if people didn’t vote for National, Labour could govern alone.

    So a vote for National is a vote for Winston Peters in government.

    Which part of this is false?

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  22. CraigM (694 comments) says:

    When she made this stupid statement why was she not asked:

    “which members of the committee made up their minds before hearing evidence, please name them?”

    ” by stating that you won’t be taking any action, are you not predeterming the outcome before you have seen their report?”

    “what inside infromation do you have regarding the committee’s dealings and it’s behind-closed-doors deliberations/comments?”

    She just gets such a free ride, it makes me sick.

    She who has politicised the public service in general, inlcuding the Police force & the courts, ….what she is saying is that she can’t control the outcome of this hearing, so there must be something wrong with the committe.

    Horrible woman.

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  23. bearhunter (853 comments) says:

    The Herald is saying that she said Winnie would NOT be reinstated to his ministerial portfolios. Who’s got the wrong of the stick?

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  24. bearhunter (853 comments) says:

    According to Granny:

    “Mr Peters handed Helen Clark his foreign affairs, racing and associate senior citizens portfolios on August 29 after the SFO announced a separate investigation into the fate of donations to NZ First.

    Asked on Newstalk ZB if Mr Peters could be brought back after the privileges committee tables its report, Helen Clark today said his suspension from ministerial duties looked likely to continue.

    “I very much doubt there would be anything in [the report] that would justify reinstatement,” she said.”

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  25. Bob (497 comments) says:

    I am beginning to find Helen Clark disgusting. I have been hoping John Key will beat her. I now hope he will thoroughly trounce her. I heard her this morning saying 52% for National is in fairyland. Regardless of the exact figure she won’t admit it has to be a worrying trend for her saying she doesn’t believe it because all the people who come up to her in the street are so supportive. Does she think we are so stupid we don’t realise most of those are Labour supporters? John Key could say the same about people who come up to him.

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  26. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    Fonterra was too slow to speak out over the chinese milk scandal according to the prime monster. It was important that Fonterra upheld the highest possible standards, it said.

    slow. scandal. speak out. standards. huh?

    I am in no way making light of the events in China, as a father I am horrified by the poisoning of innocent babies, but the hypocrite Clark scoring political points out of this is heinous, given the current events with Winnocent Peters.

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  27. Louise3 (4 comments) says:

    The Plot So far
    The SFO was to be terminated a week after Rodney Hyde made his complaint with the Media in tow. I despise ‘Snitches’, especially men in little canary yellow jackets running around screaming ” The Sky is falling!!” who are now asking Owen Glenn “pick me, pick me!!” Refer front page article , The Sunday Times 14th September 2008.

    Rodney Hyde is to John Key what Igor is to Count Dracula; his sidekick who grunts “Yes Master”

    Now let’s take a closer look at The Motives; The Players; The deals; The Promises; The Pay-off’s!!

    Rodney Hyde gets a tip off; He promises to save the SFO at the eleventh hour by complaining about Winston on behalf of John Key, who promises a coalition governmemt with Act What else does Rodney get? He promises Owen Glenn a prime position in his Party, in return for bringing Winston to task, donations all be it declared, bearing in mind, we are talking millions! which will not be affected by taxes due to the sheer sizeable amount. Owen Glenn was expecting to be installed by Winston in Monaco and is pretty peed off because Winston did not deliver! It was so important to Owen Glenn, as the posting in Monaco would have given him an enormous advantage over business interests there-not to mention the Diplomatic Privilege attached!

    The SFO is peed off with Winston, as he sounded the death knell for them: hence the letter from a disgruntled hard-done-by member of the SFO!

    The SFO blurs the lines with the Privileges Committee trying to implement a “Buddy-System with them. Meanwhile John Key is certain that if NZ first goes, this will bring down the Government too! He notifies Rodney who whoops for joy and makes sure that he is seated behind Winston at all his press conferences (Telling a lady already seated there to “bugger off, I need to be SEEN not you”! ) Key makes a deal with SFO to keep them alive if he takes government. In return, the SFO grateful for this ‘Divine Intervention’ from sure death, promises to be as damning as possible when bringing Winston down!

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  28. WraithX (283 comments) says:

    Why is it that the majority of people posting on NZ political blogs in favour of Labour or NZ First or Greens are women? I hate to say it but are the majority of our nation’s women so thick that they vote for Helen because they have the same genitals?

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  29. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    I’d even question the accuracy of your question WraithX.

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  30. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    wow..!..

    ..that get-peters/rule-peters-out master-plan has gone more than a tad pear-shaped..eh..?

    ..sick feelings in the stomach yet..?

    ..you should..!

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  31. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    why don’t you suggest that as a natty billboard slogan..?

    wraith.?

    ‘woman..!..don’t be a thicko..and vote with your genitals..!..

    ..vote for john key..!’

    (you might even have a case for the human rights commission..

    ..that you are being vaginally-oppressed..?…)

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  32. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    Sproull – the bit that’s false is when you assume that National won’t win the election outright, which they will on the current polling.

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  33. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    philu, think it through for christ’s sake.

    Would you want to count the ballot papers afterwards? Messy job….ugh..

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  34. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    Rodney Hyde is to John Key what Igor is to Count Dracula; his sidekick who grunts “Yes Master”

    Heh – that’s what Renfield is to Ct Dracula & what Igor is to Victor Frankenstein.

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  35. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    “A vote for Labour is a vote for having Yo’ Momma in government!…”

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  36. bearhunter (853 comments) says:

    Yes, technically it’s Renfield in the original Dracula, but in a generic sense, it’s always Igor who traipses along behind whining “Yeth, marther…” Haven’t you read Carpe Jugulum, llew? :-)

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  37. sbk (313 comments) says:

    Louise,where is your proof that JK has done a deal with the SFO, or is it just idle speculation.

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  38. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    I beleive what Clark actually said was “fuck democracy”.

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  39. Crampton (215 comments) says:

    Event derivatives paying off at $1 if Helen sacks Winston, and $0 if he just remains “suspended”, are currently selling for about $0.50 over on iPredict.co.nz . You can sell shares short. If you’re sure she’s not going to sack him, there’s free money sitting there for the taking. If you’re really sure Helen won’t get rid of Peters, go over to iPredict and put money on it.

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  40. PaulL (6,048 comments) says:

    Louise – sorry. Way off base. Key will give ACT a place in the coalition anyway. Always was going to. And you didn’t even spell Rodney’s name right. And what would Owen Glenn do with a position in the ACT party? Being in the party confers no power. And how does size reduce taxes? News to me.

    I’ll agree with you that Owen Glenn is peed off with Winston over the Monaco thing. And with Helen and co going around trying to kneecap him with rumours of senility. That was enough on its own to bring him back to testify.

    As for the SFO being corrupt. Sorry, no. I can imagine them wanting to do a bang up job of the investigation so that people realise why we need one. But not them doing it corruptly. And, honestly, a “bang up job” of the investigation doesn’t look to be all that hard – 5 seconds review of the evidence made it pretty clear who was lying to whom. Winston has become so used to breaking the law and getting off with bluster and bullying that he has gotten sloppy.

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  41. PhilBest (5,125 comments) says:

    bearhunter (249) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
    September 22nd, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    “Yes, technically it’s Renfield in the original Dracula, but in a generic sense, it’s always Igor who traipses along behind whining “Yeth, marther…” Haven’t you read Carpe Jugulum, llew?”

    You mean in the “Pratchettian” sense, bearhunter…….

    Pratchett ROCKS……..

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  42. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    I love it when ignorant lefties try to look smart.

    Bad spelling, poor grammar, flawed theory. Shit, it reminds me of being back at uni.

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  43. PhilBest (5,125 comments) says:

    # WraithX (60) 3 1 Says:
    September 22nd, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    “Why is it that the majority of people posting on NZ political blogs in favour of Labour or NZ First or Greens are women? I hate to say it but are the majority of our nation’s women so thick that they vote for Helen because they have the same genitals?”

    One risks condemnation to speak such truth these days, WraithX, but it is a fact that far more women voters vote according to gender preference than men…….that is why I keep saying the Nats 9 years in the political wilderness is more to do with their dumping of Jenny Shipley than any one other factor. That is why in reality, women are at an advantage in politics rather than a disadvantage. That is why I think that predictions of a McCain/Palin landslide in the US are probably right.

    And if a male-dominated party like the Nats win big in November, that means Helen has done an incredible job in turning off women voters.

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  44. chfr (126 comments) says:

    I agree Phil. As I said in another thread my neighbour is a classic Hellen supporter and even she says it is time for a change. By classic I mean a woman who works in government so if she is being turned off then alot more reasonable women are going too.

    I am not sure what the deal with us women voting for Hellen or anyone for that matter just because of her gender. After 9 years of the sisterhood I can’t wait for some blokes running this country.

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  45. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    it’s always Igor who traipses along behind whining “Yeth, marther…”

    In my mind’s ear he says “What hump?”

    http://www.foroswebgratis.com/imagenes_foros/3/9/6/4/3/481167MartyFeldmanIgor.jpg

    Haven’t you read Carpe Jugulum, llew?

    I’ll have to answer no to that one.

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  46. Right of way is Way of Right (1,122 comments) says:

    It calls to mind a certain ancient mariner and an albatross around the neck!

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  47. kiwipolemicist (393 comments) says:

    “Helen Clark says the privileges committee process has been totally unsatisfactory in terms of any natural justice”

    What utter arrogance and hypocrisy . To her natural justice and honesty are both abstract concepts without application that have a subjective definition.

    http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/joke-of-the-day-helen-clark-invokes-natural-justice-and-fair-process/

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  48. Ryan Sproull (7,288 comments) says:

    Sproull – the bit that’s false is when you assume that National won’t win the election outright, which they will on the current polling.

    True, but if enough of those people currently answering National in the polls voted instead for Labour, we could avoid Winston Peters AND John Key. It’d be like Christmas.

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  49. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    and we would be the turkeys.

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  50. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..# Right of way is Way of Right (554) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
    September 22nd, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    It calls to mind a certain ancient mariner and an albatross around the neck!..”

    like act..and douglas..?..you mean..?

    (let the fun begin..!..

    when are you going to let him out..?..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  51. Louise3 (4 comments) says:

    Yeh right Nefarius and I suppose you own a canary your fave color is yellow and bombed out of Uni? I on the other hand, am a black belt in Karate my favorite color is blue you should come over sometime I have black ‘n blue ready for you!

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  52. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    I currently do not own any pets, my friend Peter borrowed my gerbil and never returned it.

    My favourite colour is blue. Or black. Or green. I don’t know really. Not red anyway.

    I have an excellent professional degree, thank you very much, and it’s not from one of your poxy kiwi universities. I went to an old and highly regarded institute with stringent entrance standards. I doubt you would get accepted as you failed to spell a word that was directly in front of you correctly, but I expect that’s down to being poor, disadvantaged and a leftie.

    Martials arts don’t really impress me, sorry, but I’m sure you do a lovely wax on, wax off routine. What say I bring my car round and you give it a good polish?

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  53. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Yeh right Nefarius and I suppose you own a canary your fave color is yellow and bombed out of Uni? I on the other hand, am a black belt in Karate my favorite color is blue you should come over sometime I have black ‘n blue ready for you!”

    Karate…ha!…..pussy whipped bitch!

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  54. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    The Bosticks!

    Glued To-gether

    UHU, and BYE BYE!

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  55. Louise3 (4 comments) says:

    Sure Nefarious,
    I didnt reailse they let you out of the institution so early, just don’t forget your medication!

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  56. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    5 days and that’s the best you can do?

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