Possible election date announcement

September 12th, 2008 at 12:19 pm by David Farrar

has called a press conference for 12.30 pm.

The 9th floor won’t say what it is about, but most are picking she will announce the date of the election.

This will be great. It will mean we are in the campaign period with Winston still surgically attached to her.

UPDATE: It is on November 8, as long predicted.

Clark says she will be campaigning on trust. I hope she will campaign with her Foreign Minister. I also hope she campaigns on how she knew the truth about the secret donations from Owen Glenn for six months and said nothing. How a Labour MP almost certainly told her three months ago that there was a witness (the MP’s brother) to Winston thanking Owen Glenn for his secret donation, and she still said nothing. And about how her party president authorised the secret donation back in 2005.

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93 Responses to “Possible election date announcement”

  1. GPT1 (2,020 comments) says:

    She might announce his “resignation” as a minister too although let’s hope that the “festering sore” remains unlanced.

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  2. Murray (8,803 comments) says:

    Good the see the patient anounce her own time of death to allow for party planning for the rest of us.

    Someone buy the munchkins new shoes for them to dance in.

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  3. Right of way is Way of Right (883 comments) says:

    Hmm, Election date, has to be, now that the ETS is on the books, all boxes ticked!

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  4. adc (558 comments) says:

    maybe she’s going to take a dive from the 9th floor window…. we can but hope….

    dang she wouldn’t fall very far – a fundamental problem with the design of the beehive…

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  5. Right of way is Way of Right (883 comments) says:

    This election is about trust? AFter the last few weeks? OK, lets do it then!

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  6. burt (7,424 comments) says:

    In a deep voice….

    There will be no election and I must now be addressed as “Dear Leader”.

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  7. Right of way is Way of Right (883 comments) says:

    Oh stop bleating on and announce the date so we can sack you!!

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  8. bobux (315 comments) says:

    Listening now.

    Helen wants to make it an election about trust.

    Given her defence of the Baubled One, I am not sure this is a good call.

    Reference to impending announcements on education, health and housing. I guess that is where the big-ticket spending promises will be made.

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  9. dog_eat_dog (785 comments) says:

    blah blah blah blah blah come on Helen, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

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  10. Dr Robotnik (533 comments) says:

    Fuck me, that dyke cracks me up.

    How many times can she fit the word trust into a pathetic, sniveling, trumpet blowing litany of lies?

    Announce the date and fuck off you corrupt old bitch.

    Trust. I’d trust Rod Petricevic with my fucking savings before I’d trust you to do the right thing. Liar.

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  11. Murray (8,803 comments) says:

    I’m on board with an election being about trust.

    Helen we’ll see you in our office.

    Bring the contents of your desk.

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  12. wreck1080 (3,999 comments) says:

    Helen makes me almost vomit. Listening to her crap on about leading NZ into economic prosperity and upskilling our people.

    Didn’t she say this 9 years ago? Didn’t we slip down the OECD ladder?

    If labour get in I am definitely going to Aussie. The only problem, I will be competing with thousands of others who put their house on the market too.

    The only thing I got from helen in the last 9 years, was increased taxation, and 20 hours a week childcare. I’ve had much more taken away than given back .

    So, F**k her and her cronies.

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  13. Right of way is Way of Right (883 comments) says:

    She talks about National giving people what they want to hear.

    Umm, Helen, it’s called listening to the electorate! Something which you have proven to be singularly inept at, reference the EFA, ETS, Anti Smacking Bill…….

    need I go on!

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  14. Right of way is Way of Right (883 comments) says:

    Positive vote? Happy to, Helen.

    I am positive I won’t be voting for you!

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  15. Zippy Gonzales (462 comments) says:

    I can see the billboards now: Trust Never Sleeps.

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  16. Monty (899 comments) says:

    I cannot believe the lies of Clark – she keeps going on about trust – – she is unbelievable. She is setting the tone – her election slogan is that National cannot be trusted. For the sake of NZ she must be evicted.

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  17. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    good election speech..eh..?

    she’s gonna monster key..

    ..as anyone who watches questiontime in parliament will already know..

    ..eh..?

    “key cannot be trusted..national don’t tell the truth..?

    heh..!

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  18. Hagues (703 comments) says:

    FFS I hope this speech comes off her broadcasting allotment. I wanted to hear the election date not Labour propaganda.

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  19. Murray (8,803 comments) says:

    Has Clark some kind of billboard deal whereby all her campaign slogans are automatically displayed on Tui’s billboards or something?

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  20. dog_eat_dog (785 comments) says:

    No Surprises

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  21. alex Masterley (1,535 comments) says:

    Let the games begin!

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  22. Inventory2 (9,373 comments) says:

    8/11/08

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/09/its-election-about-trust.html

    (Posted less than a minute after the announcement ;-)

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  23. GPT1 (2,020 comments) says:

    Bitch. Doesn’t she realise that I have a wedding that day? Unbelievable.

    Bullshit she’s been planning to make the announcement today for a number of weeks.

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  24. jakester (1 comment) says:

    A billboard suggestion perhaps? you can trust me, to keep a secret?

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  25. berend (1,689 comments) says:

    I wish that what she was claiming about National was true. Unfortunately we have the choice between same and more of the same. Between critical assets (what the heck is that?) and critical assets. More socialism is exactly what NZ need as number 22 in the OECD list, 50 on the WHO list, and hundreds dying because government hospitals don’t work.

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  26. Ross Miller (1,618 comments) says:

    And just where does that leave the Privileges Committee?

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  27. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    and it closes down the whole peters debate..

    brilliant..!

    ..national have been well and truly snookered/inept/irrelevant..

    well..campaign time..eh..?

    time to ratchet up the rhetoric..

    ..eh..?

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  28. Barnsley Bill (848 comments) says:

    An election about trust! Where do we start cataloging the lies and theft of the last decade.

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  29. Nick B (2 comments) says:

    Clark needs to cut Peters adrift ASAP if Labour are to have any chance of a 4th term…. they need to start trying to outline a vision for their 4th term that proves they are not a government running out of ideas and trying to hold on to power for power’s sake. Hopefully this is the election Winston peters finally disappears.

    The interesting thing for me though is how the center-right do not look like they will have enough seats for a outright majority (ie ACT, National, united future). I am not convinced at all that the Maori Party will go into coalition with National as easily as many commentators predict. Whichever party of Labour or National wants them in coalition is going to have to make some significant policy concessions though.

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  30. Colonel Masters (385 comments) says:

    I’m surprised she announced the date on a slow news day (Friday). I thought she would want to get maximum media coverage.

    (It meant I just lost $18.67 on iPredict. I should have learned after last time when she meddled with the value of my Air NZ shares.)

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  31. bearhunter (822 comments) says:

    Heh. I can’t help thinking that she’s spotted an opportunity elsewhere. Funny how Kim Jong Il goes AWOL in North Korea and suddenly Helen Clark effectively hands in her notice…

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  32. Hagues (703 comments) says:

    “And just where does that leave the Privileges Committee?”

    Parliament doesn’t dissolve until Oct 8 with another session starting 23 Sept. So the PC should still be good to go until then.

    Sorry Philu Peters still front and Centre. Not only with PC but SFO and Police investigating. Not to mention that Helen wants to compain on trust. As in trust her to hide the truth about what she knew and when. Trust Winnie when he says no etc

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  33. Daniel Sloan (14 comments) says:

    Stupid date. Think about it. Three days out from polls, cries for the banning of fireworks…

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  34. Karen (15 comments) says:

    Hey, she stole John Key’s line, isn’t it him who’s often mentioned being “ambitious for New Zealand”?

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  35. Kimble (3,955 comments) says:

    Mmm, trust eh?

    I though they were going to go with the “Fuck you New Zealand!” campaign. This whole “trust” thing is a bit of a curve ball.

    Unless they mean Secret Trusts of course.

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  36. dime (10,208 comments) says:

    did she mention how she took away fredoom of speech?

    how they flciked the privy council cause labour knows best?

    how they just added another huge tax onto everyone in nz.. all because of al gores myth?

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  37. bobux (315 comments) says:

    philu (12.55)

    When you are campaigning on trust, being seen to shut down an investigation into extremely dodgy ministerial dealings isn’t a great start.

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  38. berend (1,689 comments) says:

    I must say, this is a pretty good line from Helen: “Labour is ambitious for New Zealand. National is ambiguous on New Zealand.”

    Unfortunately the ambition from Labour is to be a socialist paradise.

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  39. Inventory2 (9,373 comments) says:

    Daniel Sloan – great point!

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  40. emmess (1,398 comments) says:

    >>and it closes down the whole peters debate..

    No it doesn’t, it just freezes it
    She had her chance to cut him loose
    Now Labour and NZ First are fused at the hip and there is nothing she can do

    How is that going to look in the debates?
    Shit and (well not exactly) ice cream

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  41. Inventory2 (9,373 comments) says:

    Great stuff, The election is “all about trust” and Winston Peters and Helen Clark are still co-joined twins!

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  42. bearhunter (822 comments) says:

    Daniel Sloan – yes, but think about what a boost there will be for the economy: all those extra fireworks to let off for a week following November 8.

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  43. Bob (445 comments) says:

    I have learned that National can’t be trusted, has secret agendas, will turn back all Labour’s progressive legislation, in short will turn the country back to the middle ages.

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  44. Adam (461 comments) says:

    I looked up the word Trust in the dictionary and there was a picture of Owen Glenn. Game on.

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  45. dime (10,208 comments) says:

    hey do labour need to steal money this time? or do they just take it legally now?

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  46. mattyroo (1,030 comments) says:

    Philu

    Dust off the C.V
    Pull your socks up
    Cut ya hair
    Smarten up ya attitude

    You’re gonna have to get a job ya parsitic cunt – once your socialist crony mates get booted to kingdom come!

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  47. Daniel Sloan (14 comments) says:

    Bearhunter, all those fireworks being bought in such a short period of time (as per the Labour government’s legislation) will surely not be good for inflation, will it?

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  48. stayathomemum (128 comments) says:

    The speech seemed to ooze evil from every vowel.

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  49. Inventory2 (9,373 comments) says:

    Mattyroo – you’re a legend mate!

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  50. homepaddock (408 comments) says:

    Just 55 more sleeps untilw e get a chance for change and improvement.

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  51. alex Masterley (1,535 comments) says:

    So if the cupboard is bare according to Dr Cullen, who and what are they going to bribe people with? KFC?

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  52. carlyp (25 comments) says:

    Interesting that it will be only a few days after the US election… wonder if the results from the ‘States will have any impact?

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  53. bearhunter (822 comments) says:

    Daniel, just think of it as the official start of the Christmas shopping season. Now pass me that M-60 and ring them bells…

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  54. Craig Ranapia (1,266 comments) says:

    Better go buy a stout pair of walking shoes tonight. :)

    But I’ve got a billboard pitch for the Labour lurkers around here: HAS JOHN KEY STOPPED BEATING YOUR WIFE YET? For someone who says Labour is truly “ambitious for New Zealand”, I found it amusing that in the next breath she was saying policy will be rolled out in the “coming weeks”. You know, the kind of stuff John Key gets pilloried for, amidst mutterings about secret agendas etc.

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  55. bearhunter (822 comments) says:

    I feel unaccountably light-headed. The sun is out, it’s Friday arvo and the stifling atmosphere of the Clark regime has lifted enough to see a glimmer of clean air. Oh frabjous joy.

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  56. Inventory2 (9,373 comments) says:

    If the election is going to be all about trust, maybe we should each be buying our local National, Act and MP candidates a copy of Absolute Power to brandish around at campaign meetings whenever anyone mentions “trust”!

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  57. KennyJelly (31 comments) says:

    Incoming Tui billboards

    “You can TRUST us”

    “It’s all about TRUST”

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  58. Doc (81 comments) says:

    From stuff.co.nz

    “Miss Clark cited cheaper doctors’ fees, Working for Families, and interest-free student loans as some of the Government’s successes in this term.”

    These are BRIBES, not SUCCESSES. They amount to nothing more than the doling out of money that has been compulsorily taken from taxpayers to select ‘interest groups’.

    SUCCESSES would be things like ‘Increased growth and productivity’, instead we are facing a recession. Or ‘Reductions in Hospital waiting lists’ instead of hundreds of patients dying on the list. Or ‘Meaningful reduction in incidents of Violent Crime’ or… well… you get the picture.

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  59. NeillR (351 comments) says:

    Jeez, i’m just listening and i can’t help wondering if they stole another National speech.

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  60. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    no..it’s all about you can’t trust a secret agenda-ridden/meetings with foreign rightwing financiers..key/national..

    it’s gonna boil down to that..

    and that labour are the best caretakers for the upcoming international economic meltdown..

    it’s not the time to chance the lot on a money-trader..and his gimlet-eyed/privatising/ripping away of social services..’crew’..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  61. Scribe (80 comments) says:

    Doc,

    “Miss Clark cited cheaper doctors’ fees, Working for Families, and interest-free student loans as some of the Government’s successes in this term.”

    And WfF and interest-free loans were actually policies they ran on in the 2005 election. Interesting she didn’t talk about the things that were sprung on the electorate — ETS, EFA etc

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  62. Bevan (3,232 comments) says:

    and it closes down the whole peters debate..

    brilliant..!

    You think it is brilliant for that reason. I guess you’d think corruption is OK as long as it benefits your team?

    Facist wanker.

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  63. Hagues (703 comments) says:

    philu “no..it’s all about you can’t trust a secret agenda-ridden/meetings with foreign rightwing financiers..key/national..”

    So its only bad when the rightwingers do it? Any comment on Labour president flying to the other side of the world to beg foreign leftwing financiers with history of purchasing elections for more money? (I know he is a NZ citizen but its not like he lives here)

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  64. big bruv (14,217 comments) says:

    Phul

    The only “meltdown” is going to be at your place when you realise that you are going to HAVE to work for a living.

    I cannot wait for that day, better start polishing up that CV.

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  65. goodgod (1,317 comments) says:

    Helen says it’s about trust?

    She’s a proven liar!

    Though I expect that will escape the MSM who are, as we speak, busy sucking up her spittle from the speech with straws.

    Trust. What planet does that woman live on.

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  66. Dr Robotnik (533 comments) says:

    phil, if it comes down to that then the electorate are clearly as retarded as you are.

    They can have the scum dictate to them, i’ll take my tax dollars and skills elsewhere. That’s one less person paying your bills right there you fucking parasite.

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  67. m_c (26 comments) says:

    She wants to make it about trust? Really? If she wants to skip into the election campaign still holding hands with Winston, then so be it.

    Come Tuesday, it’s going to be all blowback from the Henry testimony again and she won’t have cut the ties. I do not think that calling an election will make the Winston issue go away at all.

    Her internals must be suicidal to announce today

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  68. Dock (43 comments) says:

    What have we to thank Helen and her crew for then?

    1. Privvy Council-Gone and set up the NZ Supreme Court-joke.
    2. Queens honours-Gone
    3. Legalised prostitution
    4. Made criminals out of thousands of parents overnight
    5. My 86 year old Dad can’t have a smoke at the RSA but he can now get married to his best mate.
    6. Being screwed financially to help Al Gore continue to hoodwink the world with the ETS.
    7. Screwed the voice of democracy with the EFA.

    Funny!!!!

    I can’t remember them campaigning in 2005 on these platforms!!

    Trust?

    Nationals secret agendas?

    Shit!!!!

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  69. Auntie Jane (4 comments) says:

    That announcement should have taken 30 seconds.

    Does this mean all the other parties will be gettin
    half an hour free air time after mid day news for political speeches?

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  70. anonymouse (704 comments) says:

    While the 8th is not unexpected, the decision to dissolve Parliament on the 3rd of October, means that there are only 24 working days between it and polling day, This means that PREFU (The opening of the books) can be done upto the 17th of October.(only 14 working days prior to polling.)

    If the polling date had been more that 30 working days from dissolution date, PREFU is presented between 20 and 30 working days before polling day,

    I look forward to Treasury releasing it on or before the 9th of October, to restore the 4 working weeks time that one would expect for the books to be presented until the PM compressed the time line.

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  71. democracymum (616 comments) says:

    I missed Clark’s announcement regarding the election date so have had to read it online.
    I could scarcely believe what I was reading…

    “This election is about trust…”
    Bugger me – is this woman COMPLETEY OUT OF TOUCH!!! What have we all been talking about for the last 4 weeks?

    “It is about which leader and which major party we New Zealanders trust our families’ and our country’s future with.”
    I would rather trust my families future to a rabid dog than to hand this woman another 3 years in parliament

    “This election is a choice between a government which has shown it can make the tough choices ..”
    You mean tough choices like SACKING WINSTON PETERS?

    “It is an election between a government which takes principled positions ??? ”
    Is there no end to this woman’s delirium?

    “New Zealand is now a world leader in its action programme on climate change”
    No we are not your own minister said just the other day there are lots of other countries already in front of us on this issue

    “A lot is at stake for New Zealand families. The policies our families, young and old, have come to rely on are seriously at risk.”
    This is the ugliest most threatening thing I have ever heard out of the mouth of Helen Clark
    This is code for GET RID OF US AND YOU WILL LOSE ALL THE BRIBES WE HAVE GIVEN YOU

    and finally this as her concluding statement
    “National’s evasiveness, flip flops, and secret agendas show that it can’t be trusted.”

    This is unbelievable! Absolute Power. ABSOLUTE NUTS!!!
    I have never heard a politican to be so out of touch with the people ever.

    And Helen, I know you do not really understand what it is to be a real New Zealander- because this speech clearly shows more than anything just how detached from reality and
    middle New Zealand you really are ..

    but a Flip Flop is another word for a jandal

    Check your dictionary, but not the one that you used to look up the word “trust” or “principled” or “leader”!

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  72. rolla_fxgt (311 comments) says:

    I thought HC looked rather sad & angry it was all over, throughout her speech, almost like she was reading a eulogy at a funeral.
    It almost made me feel sorry for her, but then I remembered all she had done over the last few years.

    Bring on a robust election campaign

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  73. musthafabuck (100 comments) says:

    Here is you bloggers chance to convince me to vote other than Labour.
    I have never ever voted anything but Labour and I am in my 50’s, voted every election, been a Labour party member in my time.
    I am ashamed of the party now.
    Why? bloody obvious ain’t it.
    Come election day, there I will be in the polling booth, pencil in hand and asking myself what to do.
    I am the genuine swinging voter.
    C’mon you can all have a go.

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  74. Lee C (2,720 comments) says:

    ‘This election is about trust.’ – Which one, The Spencer Trust?

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  75. Right of way is Way of Right (883 comments) says:

    Trust, ok!

    We trusted you to fight the last election legally and honestly, not to steal it and make it legal AFTER the fact!

    We trusted you to listen to the electorate during the Anti-smacking debate.

    We trusted you to introduce legislation based on scientific fact, not Al Gore’s movie!

    We trusted you to consult with the reports and submissions to the select comittee before tampering with the fundamentals of our democracy and freedom of speech.

    We trusted you to support our police and make sure they were equipped properly, not use their equipment requirements as a filibuster in your times of need!

    We trusted you to engage in wide consultation on the shape and type of our defence force, something like a white paper perhaps, not a white flag!

    We trusted you to maintain a high standard of professional and personal integrity, not to feed is spin and lies about motorcades, paintings, donations………

    We trusted you to be careful with our taxes, not to fund hip hop classes, and many spurious courses that achieved three fifths of bugger all.

    We trusted you to maintain some integrity in our cabinet.

    We trusted you to answer our questions, not ‘address’ them.

    We trusted you to only change what you had a mandate for.

    We trusted you to only take what you needed to govern, not to take above what you need in order to bribe some of us for your vote.

    We trusted you to hold your members to a high standard of conduct, but no-one was held to account until after a LOT of pushing by our media.

    We trusted you.

    You failed.

    Repeatedly.

    I refer you to Wednesday’s NZ Herald, it has a careers section. Start sending your CV out!

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  76. slightlyrighty (2,096 comments) says:

    Is it just me, or did I get the impression that HC announcing the election looked a lot like a condemned criminal announcing their own execution date?

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  77. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    “..# Lee C (3426) Vote: Add rating 1 Subtract rating 0 Says:
    September 12th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    ‘This election is about trust.’ – Which one, The Spencer Trust?..”

    nah..!..the waitemata trust..

    ..and that lord ashcroft..

    ..eh..?

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

    “..Is it just me..”

    yes..it is just you..

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  78. democracymum (616 comments) says:

    Right of way is Way of Right

    Great post!
    Love to see it on a billboard, (or dare I say it) tagged on the beehive lol

    Actually I wonder if political taggers have to include an address or phone number?

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  79. getstaffed (8,040 comments) says:

    musthafabuck –

    you can vote for smooth talking bare faced lies or you can vote for fresh honesty

    you can vote for a government that promotes welfare dependency as a way of life, or one that looks to empower people with choice

    you can vote for a government that rammed though the most sweeping changes to our electoral laws despite protest from constitutional experts, the human rights commission etc… or you can vote for a repeal of that noxious law

    you can vote for a government that includes Winston Peters, or one that removes him from our political landscape

    you can vote for a government that will campaign on trust when it’s pretty obvious that their lies, deceit and hubris, have lost the support of the voter, or you can vote for change.

    you can vote Labour because you always have always voted Labour, or you can think about the future of NZ and make a stand.

    Finally, this reader comment recently on Economist.Com:

    The quality of governance in New Zealand has plumbed new depths under the current coalition Government. In the last 9 years that have been literally hundreds of incidents that would, in other countries, be described as corruption.
    A great many of these would have led to the resignation of key government figures or the dissolution of whole governments in mature western democracies. That New Zealand has had no such fallout is largely due to the political cunning of Helen Clark (the Prime Minister) who clearly understands political motivations, and the value of storing and exercising personal leverage.

    Some of the more recent and troubling political developments include:-

    == Forced through partisan and highly controversial changes to New Zealand electoral law which the Human Rights Commission described as having a “chilling effect on participation in the democratic process”

    == Railed against ‘big money’ influence in political activity while secretly taking large donations and obfuscating or falsifying audit -trails

    == Labour is set to force through environmental legislation widely regarded as economic suicide for NZ’s manufacturing and agricultural sectors in a move seen by many as firming up Helen Clark’s aspirations for a role in the UN post her PM role.

    == Various Government MPs having prima facie cases against them but alarmingly no charges being layed. This includes Helen Clark in a case of fraud.

    == Vilification of small religious minorities in support of various electoral reform initiatives.

    Much of this information may come as a shock to people accustomed to thinking of New Zealand in terms of beautiful scenery, mountains and unhurried life. Sadly there is much happening here that fails to support our ‘unspoiled’ image.

    As a passionate Kiwi I long for the return of some integrity to our political system. I care not if that comes from the right or from the left of our political spectrum, but we must have it, and soon, if we are to arrest the now measurable slide into pseudo-democracy and powerful state rule.

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  80. casual watcher (174 comments) says:

    Musthafabuck

    “Here is you bloggers chance to convince me to vote other than Labour.”

    This is your big chance to actually think about what you believe in and vote accordingly. Sounds like you have voted out of habit like so many other people over the years based on their parents vote etc. Take responsibility yourself and make your own decision – its your business not anyone elses.

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  81. simo (130 comments) says:

    I just about ran off the road in a blind rage when I heard that utter bullshit spewing from that womans gob, her and her kind deserve some Henry VIII treatment, big block of wood and a very bloody axe

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  82. emmess (1,398 comments) says:

    Musthafabuck,
    If you vote against Labour, you’ll be voting knowing that you will be helping to clean out the filth, you can hope they are able to clean up and make a serious comeback in the future
    If you vote for them, they will know they can get away with what they have done, and will see no reason no to continue

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  83. Right of way is Way of Right (883 comments) says:

    Actually, the 5th of November would have been more appropriate!

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  84. reid (16,681 comments) says:

    It’s actually an exceedingly clever strategic move to open the campaign on trust.

    Obviously their focus groups have indicated Liarbore’s insidious propaganda about National has and continues to take effect amongst the reef fish. All they have to do is plant the seed of doubt and they clearly think they have succeeded at least somewhat. It’s quite easy after all in this society to plant that seed given that most of the reef fish already believe that corporates are evil selfish creatures who deserve to be inverted and shaken to release their profits to the people. The irony that most of these reef fish work for such escapes said reef fish but never mind.

    Secondly, it’s a great tactic to accuse your opponents of what you yourself are guilty of, provided you have enough persuasive expertise at your disposal and the people are dumb enough not to see through it.

    Liarbore is the best party by far at propaganda and they will pull out all the stops to ram that home. They clearly have no self-imposed ethical barriers and by sheer repetition they will confuse the reef fish until the discussions at the pub etc revolve around the fact that ‘all politicians do it’ so Liarbores actual and evident lies and corruption becomes a non-issue. They level the playing field and then the real election begins.

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  85. Duxton (658 comments) says:

    Go easy in philu, everyone.

    He’s just hoping that if Labour are re-elected, they will legalise what he gets up to every day when he’s alone with his child.

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  86. Duxton (658 comments) says:

    Seriously, though, someone mentioned on another post yesterday that TV One’s politics reporter alluded to a new poll being released on Sunday.

    Could it be good news for Labour? Perhaps that’s why she has now jumped.

    Any thoughts?

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  87. reid (16,681 comments) says:

    So, just having watched Close Up, there is absolutely no visual comparison with Key vs Clark. Clark blitzed Key with her outfit and general demeanour and with her words and sound-bites. Sound-bites BTW matter less to the reef fish than visuals.

    Unless Key gets some serious image makeover and I mean major, this nation could be looking at a 4th term for the 4th Liarbore govt.

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  88. georgebolwing (1,011 comments) says:

    Labour, for all there many, many ills, are very good at what they do; which is staying in power. They do nothing by mistake. They will have mapped out a careful plan, tested it thoroughly with focus groups. It will be very simple: John Key is not fit to be PM, because he is inexperienced, is slippery and has a secret agenda (or, as a variant, is inexperienced, is slippery and while he might be a middle-of-the-road guy, he won’t be able to control his caucus, which has a secret agenda).

    Six months ago I would have said that this strategy might have worked. But Winston has fucked it all up for them. The campaign will now be about whether Labour will go with Winston after the election.

    I can see two possible outcomes: Labour runs the most despicable, negative, voter-scaring campaign and manages to get the Winston story off the front pages with some clever bribes and stunts. In this case, Labour will just get back in with a rag-tag coalition that will fly apart in six months.

    Or, the Winston story takes hold and Labour loses discipline and the PM starts making mistakes and National romps in.

    Either way, it will be a hell of a ride!!

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  89. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    “..Labour will just get back in with a rag-tag coalition that will fly apart in six months..”

    ..hardly..if there is one thing clark has proven she is good at..

    ..that is holding coalitions together for the full term..

    ..and i see a lab/grn/mp/prog government..working very well..

    and..

    “..It will be very simple: John Key is not fit to be PM, because he is inexperienced, is slippery and has a secret agenda (or, as a variant, is inexperienced, is slippery and while he might be a middle-of-the-road guy, he won’t be able to control his caucus, which has a secret agenda)..”

    yep..!

    “..Six months ago I would have said that this strategy might have worked. But Winston has fucked it all up for them. The campaign will now be about whether Labour will go with Winston after the election…”

    ..no..!

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  90. Interested (26 comments) says:

    I usually see announcements on tv, but today I was driving and heard Helen’s press conference on the car radio. Without the distraction of her face in front of me I really heard her voice. it sounded flat and defeated. it was like she was reading a statement that someone else had written and her heart just wasn’t in it. It wasn’t a voice that was confident or even believed what she was saying. It was the Helen you would expect to hear after she was defeated, maybe she already knows it is over.

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  91. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,760 comments) says:

    Labour are going to lose this election and people on the left are already making excuses.

    “It does matter who wins in NZ, the government will act in the same way”, “The US election is more important because the direction the US will take could change dramatically”.

    Are those leftards in for a shock on 8 November. McCain will win and then they have to walk down to the polling booth to vote Labour. What a recipe for a National landslide and total Labour annihilation.

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  92. slightlyrighty (2,096 comments) says:

    Labour is already labelling Key as a Flip-Flop merchant as if it is a bad thing. It is certainly a point of difference as Helen is known for staying the course despite all evidence to the contrary!

    This article should shed some light on the morality of the flip-flop.

    Courage of the flip-flop

    It’s easy to be a conviction politician. Real bravery consists of changing tack according to the evidence

    Julian Baggini The Guardian, Saturday July 5 2008

    For months all the US presidential hopefuls have been accusing their rivals of flip-flopping. Politicians want to be like Margaret Thatcher, whose insistence that “the lady’s not for turning” was a turning point in her popularity. Where are the conviction politicians of today, people ask. I’ll tell you: in Zimbabwe, in Tehran, and in the White House. It was Walter, in The Big Lebowski, who said: “Say what you like about the tenets of national socialism, Dude, but at least it was an ideology”; courage of conviction is too often admired even when the convictions are hopelessly wrong.

    The trouble with most people is not that they lack the courage to stick to their guns, but they don’t have the greater bravery to change course. Consistency is a good thing, but not when it is understood as simply refusing to change your mind. Indeed, one of the best reasons for changing your mind is precisely to become more consistent. If you backed biofuels for environmental reasons, then it would be consistent with your beliefs to drop that support if you became convinced that biofuels weren’t that green after all. To worry more about whether you’ve stuck with your views than about how they stack up now is to value loyalty to ideas more than fidelity to the truth.

    Consistency is much more important at a time than over time. If I believe global warming is a man-made danger but don’t support measures to counter it, I am being inconsistent. However, if 10 years ago I doubted global warming, but now favour lowering CO2 emissions, I’m guilty of nothing more than changing my mind as evidence emerges.

    In politics this is critical, because ideas are tested against evidence all the time. Twenty years ago you had to decide if you were for public-private partnerships on the basis of ideology or what might work. Now we have countless examples all over the world, and an evidence-based view will show that some work and others don’t. Every new policy implemented is an experiment, and not to change your opinion on the basis of the result is absurd. If your opinion on the congestion charge, academy schools or the Scottish parliament hasn’t changed at least a little in the light of what has happened, either you are unusually clairvoyant – or your opinion isn’t worth much.

    Consistency is important in politicians in three respects. First, we need to know what values are guiding their decisions; no matter how good it is to reassess one’s values, we need to rely on those we elect to adhere to the ethos on which they were elected. Second, elections only make sense if people follow the bulk of the policies they were elected to implement, not just a general agenda. Third, changes of mind that occur because politicians didn’t think clearly the first time do not inspire confidence. Brown’s U-turn on the 10p tax was a classic example of a change of mind that, though welcome, betrayed poor judgment in the first place.

    But most flip-flops do not break these cardinal rules. There was no reason to pursue nuclear power until rising energy prices and the imperative of reducing greenhouse gas emissions changed the calculation. The appropriate response to Mugabe has surely changed since his sham re-election. And however misguided 42-day detention without trial, the idea that our thinking should not have changed post-9/11 is preposterous.

    We don’t change our minds enough because we find the comfort of knowing what we think easier than following arguments wherever they lead, as Socrates advised. That’s why the one belief I have consistently upheld is that not consistently upholding beliefs is a very good thing – which is another example of perfectly justified inconsistency.

    · Julian Baggini is the editor of the Philosophers’ Magazine

    Would you trust someone who stays the course regardless, or someone who lilstens to the information available, and lets that, rather than ideaology form their decisions?

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  93. getstaffed (8,040 comments) says:

    Clark will headline her campaign on ‘Trust’ but it will be ‘Fear’ that forms the business end of her attempts to destroy Key.

    She has ~30% of NZ who will vote for Labour beacuse their parents always did and even if the last government legalised infanticide. This group is bankable so no effort needed. All she needs to do is scare a few undecided voters back into her clutches and the job is done.

    I expect a very dirty campaign. She will play on JKs relative inexperience and IMHO deliberatly enflame or fabricate situations in order to attack JK’s response. In the past the MSM would have helped her but that line of support may be stretched a little thin these days.

    Labour has already shown that it will lie, cheat and smear and we can expect these traits to manifest en masse as their deperation mounts.

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