Yang Liu’s private VIP citizenship ceremony in Parliament

October 25th, 2008 at 9:36 am by David Farrar

The NZ Herald reports:

A Chinese man granted citizenship against the advice of officials and wanted in his homeland for “large-scale misappropriation and embezzlement” was given a VIP citizenship ceremony at Parliament.

, also known as Bill Liu, was granted his citizenship in August by ministerial prerogative.

He became a New Zealander at a private citizenship ceremony in the Maori Affairs select committee room, officiated over by Labour MP and former Cabinet minister .

And who is Yang Liu?. The latest from reveals:

His real name, confirmed for the first time in this country by TGIF Edition, is indeed

Even worse, an informant resource report to the Immigration Service last year, but apparently ignored by Associate Immigration Minister , provides detailed information on Yan’s involvement at the head of an Asian organised crime syndicate, which “paid large cash sums to various ministers and delegates indirectly through secret anonymous accounts

Now whether this is correct or not is one issue. But what is not in dispute (it seems) is that Shane Jones knew of these allegations, as the were part of the file officials had who fought against citizenship. So why did Jones ignore this?

Tonight, TGIF Edition can also reveal that one of Yongming’s former associates in this country – – was a Labour Party campaign manager, and his brother works in the office of Associate Immigration Minister Shane Jones – the man who gave ‘Bill Liu’ citizenship against the recommendations of officials who’d investigated his background.

Shane Phillips is also known as , and in 2000 Helen Clark vetoed his appointment to a ministerial job. Also:

There are fresh allegations this week, including that ‘Liu’ (in reality, Yan Yongming) may have donated cash to the campaigns of and Dover Samuels.

And Wishart has unearthed some interesting aspects of donations to Dover Samuels:

A further $5,000 was given to Dover Samuels by the oddly-named ‘Tamaki ki te Paki Wu’, apparently residing at a house in Derrimore Heights in Manukau City.

So, according to the official documents, two separate Wu’s slipped a total of eight grand between them into the Dover Samuels campaign fund. But who was this mysterious Mr ? A check of the Manukau address Dover had given for him provides an added twist to this story: it was registered not to Mr Wu but to Daniel Phillips – Dover’s former private secretary now working for Associate Immigration Minister Shane Jones. So $5,000 had come to Dover from the address of a man whose brother was involved with Chinese
businessman ‘Yang Liu’ (real name Yan Yongming), yet the money was not in Daniel Phillips’ name, but a person or entity named Tamaki Wu.

There is also a suggestion that an anonymous $5,000 donation to Rick Barker was from Yan.

The issues raised here can not be dealt with by a departmental inquiry. Departments can not investigate their own Ministers. A fully empowered commission of inquiry should be set up to investigate this. The key tasks should be

  1. To verify the real identity of the man granted citizenship by Labour Ministers over the protests of officials
  2. Does he have a criminal record, and what is the nature of that
  3. Determine the full extent of his donations to all parties and candidates
  4. Why Ministers both refused to revoke his residency and further granted him citizenship against the strong advice of officials
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43 Responses to “Yang Liu’s private VIP citizenship ceremony in Parliament”

  1. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,820 comments) says:

    Plenty more dirt in Labour’s closet.

    Labour must be voted out of office to stop this nonsense.

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  2. tknorriss (327 comments) says:

    I have read the articles in the TGIF.

    This stuff is really serious and should be pursued by the media.

    Unfortunately most of our media outlets only have reporters now, not journalists. They simply report what they are told without doing any investigation. If half our reporters were as good as Ian Wishart, then this government would not have got away with what they have.

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  3. Neil (573 comments) says:

    It’s always nice to see “dirt” dug up about our political opponents.
    I have real doubts about the whole thing because to me Ian Wishart pulls these stunts to lift circulation in his “Investigate” magazine.
    From way back I have seen Wishart as a classical conspiracy theory guy. His books are at best a hodge podge of innuendo and the hint that there could be scandal around the next corner. Over time his big scoops turn out to be damp squibs.
    Forget about Wishart and his Private Eye type of reporting and focus on the big issue.,
    That is getting rid of this loony government with its loony partners like the Greens and NZ First.

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  4. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    It’s all about trust you know!

    We trust Labour to be corrupt.

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  5. Mark Lloyd (8 comments) says:

    Wishful thinking on my part but maybe now in the final weeks before the election NZ’ers will wake the fuck up and smell the stench of Labour and their greed, hypocrisy, corruption.

    Is it just me or is this election a decisive moment in NZ’s history and future? Get it wrong and we’re totally fucked for a long long time.

    Its very frustrating to see National holding back the attack dogs. While it seems to working on some level I would love dearly to see Klark showered in mud and it sticking for once and Labour in the 20′s in the polls. Only then will I be willing to bet any money on Key getting in.

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  6. radvad (704 comments) says:

    Neil
    Agreed that Ian’s style can be a little breathless but he has over a long period of time made serious allegations and never been sued.

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  7. Pascal (2,015 comments) says:

    I’m wondering why people are surprised. Labour has been willing to break the rules for their own advantage since they took office. The examples are there. For fuck’s sake, they have changed legislation to make their actions legal. You don’t get much more corrupt than that – when the lawmakers change the laws to protect themselves! They have been supported in this by the Greens, NZ First, the guy with the windproof hair style and an opinion that can be changed by blowing in his ear … what’s his name? Peter Dunne.

    This government is corrupt. To the core. Along with all the parties that support them. Their voting supporters who comment here and are aware of this corruption are complicit in this.

    Why are any of you surprised when this type of thing turns up? The best thing you can do is to vote them out of office with a vow never to make this kind of mistake again.

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  8. newman24 (31 comments) says:

    Neil – when are you going to wake up and admit thatLabour is corrupt and that they need to be removed from government. Ian Wishart is a seasoned reported and knows how to research a story.

    I suppose that you believe everything that Aunty Helen tribe of neatherdal press pack has produced to spin it back her way is nothing but 100% truth?

    Wake up, man, and smell the coffee (and the smell of defeat for Labour come Nov the 8th)!

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  9. trout (922 comments) says:

    Give Wishart a break – he is bright light in an otherwise apathetic, lazy, fourth estate. The donations mentioned are small beer; I would be looking for more substantial funding and would be looking North ( since both Shane jones and Dover are implicated). Perhaps a bail out of Matauri X and their funding woes or some other ill fated Maori development project. (Whatever happened to the Maori funded cell phone Company – Econet was it?).

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  10. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    “Why are any of you surprised when this type of thing turns up?”

    I don’t think too many of us here are surprised Pascal. The signs have been there for quite awhile. A child could have seen them, if they cared to look.

    Unfortunately the reef fish who decide govts prefer to focus on important things like Rugby, Gardening and DIY. They arouse themselves for a few weeks every three years, think about their own lives over the last term and make their decision based on whether anything uncomfortable has happened to them during that time. You ask any reef fish about the pros and cons of anything and they’ll recite the angle the TV news took on that issue.

    Happens all the time. I was just reading a Herald article about Seymour Hersh who broke the My Lai story and it wasn’t until the MSM picked it up because they couldn’t avoid it any longer that it became an issue. There’s a reason why the MSM doesn’t touch Wishart’s stuff and it’s not because they’re lefties.

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  11. Murray (8,842 comments) says:

    Well since Ian “keeps pulling these stunts” Neil why has he never even been threatened with legal action?

    He’s making it all up yet no one seems confident enough to test his information in court. Why not?

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  12. Lee (627 comments) says:

    If this guy is involved in organised crime and Shane Jones was warned about it by his officials that takes this mess to a whole new level. Whether or not it gets the media attention it deserves is another story.

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  13. PhilBest (5,120 comments) says:

    Reid:

    “…..There’s a reason why the MSM doesn’t touch Wishart’s stuff and it’s not because they’re lefties.”

    EH? I agree with most of what you say, Reid, but please explain THAT a bit further. If the SAME stuff was being dug up ON THE NATS by some other completely beyond the pale conspiracy theorist, say, Nicky Hager, the media would be all over it like a rash. Please explain why they are selective in this way IF it is not because they are lefties.

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  14. kiwipolemicist (393 comments) says:

    Surprise, surpise, Labour is consorting with criminals – birds of a feather flock together.

    A couple of weeks ago I posted a transcript of a “survey” conducted by the Service & Food Workers Union, which I believe was electioneering. I have more info indicating that this was not a survey:

    http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/update-unions-support-for-the-labour-party/

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  15. Viking2 (11,284 comments) says:

    The missing link?
    Do Dover, Jones et al do anything fishy in Northland without the rest of the whanau knowing?
    No not really cause we hui about everything!!! (you pay of course.)
    Now who else would hui in Northland. Not yet a cabinet minister but; “Mum says go with Labour sonny boy”
    Could well be out of the loop of course but how would we know?

    Just acknowledging the Pita Principle.

    2.My, my Well now Dover has a good mate that hails from the far North, who likes racehorse owners, but until recent times was a resident of much sunnier climes in a plentiful area. Again one of the whanau.
    There appears to be a series of dots here starting to join up.
    Perhaps whaleoil could find some fish oil to pass onto Raw Prawn for LIARBOURS SALAD. Well the excuses are getting about as limp as week old lettuce.
    I never did like sushi.

    3.Oh, I forgot to ask!
    Do North Korean’s eat fish?
    And has anyone seen Condy lately?
    Does Condi like Las Vegas?

    He he I likee Mystree!!!

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  16. dime (9,682 comments) says:

    goddam these guys come cheap!

    i could afford to buy me a labour MP! cool! 5 grand an MP? haha

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  17. Rod (236 comments) says:

    Quick! Quick!
    Get out a grave announcement fast that a National Government would set up a high level enquiry with wide ranging authority into this carry-on as soon as it gets into power.
    Get it into the headlines.
    Be all over it every day this week.
    Express deep concern about the question mark over the MPs named.
    Sound and look very very concerned and responsible.
    Don’t just let it be spun into nothing as happened last weekend.
    GET HARD!!

    Sorry, I’m just dreaming …

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  18. PhilBest (5,120 comments) says:

    It is because the media are not only lefties, they are cultural marxist quislings; that they do not cover anything of embarrassment to their fellow cultural marxist quisling politicians. As Chris Trotter kindly put it completely candidly; there is corruption, and then there is “GOOD” corruption that advances the noble cause of socialism. But the only difference between Trotter and the rest in the MSM, is that Trotter is candid about the fact that he thinks this way.

    And still more depressingly, Labour’s sizeable constituency among the NZ public, around 1 in 3 people, have no issue with this morality either. I find it depressing that I am surrounded in society every day, by this many people who on the face of it, I believe I could not trust. If bribery and corruption are OK in politics, by their moral compass, you couldn’t trust them to honour a contract or tell the truth if it was incongenial to them.

    EDIT: Just spotted “Viking” comment above. That, too, is one illustration of the type of person that makes up Labour’s constituency that I refer to, but it is certainly not the only type.

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  19. PhilBest (5,120 comments) says:

    It is just sickening that the opinion advanced by Neil above IS the prevailing one in our media and political “mainstream”. Call it political correctness, call it cultural marxism, it is a form of soft totalitarianism in any case. Even National Party MP’s who are meant to represent the “Center Right” opposition to the socialists, DO NOT DARE to say that Wishart has any credibility or quote any of his findings – pussies, wimps, jellyfish, the lot of them, they should never have let it get to this stage.

    QUOTE: Theodore Dalrymple:

    “Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=D2C70DCE-BF86-4761-9788-03AB7FAB2608

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  20. PhilBest (5,120 comments) says:

    Another aspect in the TGIF article is that there is an NZ Police Investigation into this guy’s background that has been “shelved” for reasons unknown, allegedly because of political interference.

    SIGH. Bloody NOT AGAIN…….who trusts the NZ cops political impartiality any more? Things are very, very rotten in the state of New Zealand.

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  21. PhilBest (5,120 comments) says:

    Oh, and good on you DPF for having the guts to run with the occasional Wishart-raised issues, the rest of the Nats need to get a spine too. Is it really even at all rational to kow-tow to the PC thought police notion that “christian fundamentalists” are so beyond the pale, so illegitimate, that pariah status will rub off on anyone who even believes a word they say, no matter how valid or verifiable? BARF. Nazi-ism, anyone?

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  22. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    You’re right Phil about how Hagar’s stuff is always covered. Something I’ve noticed however is that sometimes certain things are never picked up on regardless of whether they are a left or right issue. For example in the US the media don’t cover Israel in anything like a balanced way, at least by comparison to the rest of the world’s press.

    I don’t know the reason why and please don’t get hooked into that example and imagine I’m suggesting it’s only that dimension because another example is the fact that many many people were talking about sub-prime for years before it surfaced in the markets and the folly and origins of the lending policies were just as obvious back then as they are now and yet, not one major outlet, even those that specialised in the markets, blew the whistle. Maybe a few ran the odd story but they sure didn’t stick with it. Now if they were lefties then you’d be expecting them to blow the whistle on that one, surely.

    A useful maxim I observe in action all the time is that there is nothing so vigorously defended as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction. I put the media’s total dedication to the AGW myth and their total dedication to the myth that conservative economics involves capturing more than your fair share of the cake (as opposed to what it really is – growing the cake), into that category. Imagine how many adverts they’d sell if they started telling the sheeple about the real facts behind both those things.

    All I was saying is that if your total answer to media bias is to interpret it as existing purely along left-right political divisions then you’re missing other dynamics that are in fact evident.

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  23. WraithX (295 comments) says:

    PhilBest: I love Dalrymple! I just bought two of his books and they are brilliant. I recommend his stuff to everyone.

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  24. PhilBest (5,120 comments) says:

    That’s good, WraithX. I have read several of his books and probably most of his online articles too. Very rewarding. Follow the links from his Wiki:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Dalrymple

    Wiki has a long list of Theodore Dalrymple quotes too.

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  25. PhilBest (5,120 comments) says:

    That’s good, WraithX. I have read several of his books and probably most of his online articles too. Very rewarding. Follow the links from his Wiki:

    Wiki has a long list of Theodore Dalrymple quotes too.

    (Posting with “link” gone into moderation)

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  26. dad4justice (7,988 comments) says:

    I am appalled by this abuse of power by a corrupt government who are basically just well paid criminals.

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  27. PhilBest (5,120 comments) says:

    “reid”, that is interesting, there is something in what you say. Actually, when you explore the concept of “cultural marxism”, a lot more falls into place. Things are perhaps a little more subtle than just the old “left/right” political-economic divide.

    You are quite right about the “vested interest masquerading as an intellectual conviction”. That sums up the whole cultural marxism, long march through the institutions, deconstructionism, Gramsci/Marcuse/Adorno/Foucault et al thing nicely. How much do YOU know about this? Are you aware that most of the social theory taught at Uni today was designed by people who wanted to bring about the collapse of traditional Western society? They might advance their ideas as “improvements” to society, the end of “oppression” and “injustice” and the like, but what they actually do is dupe sectors of western society into becoming a weapon against the whole. Women, racial minorities, gays, “workers”, youth, non-Christian religions. Would you like some “links” to articles to read up on this subject?

    What you point out about the media NOT covering the warnings from economists and the like about the mounting crisis, I think is simply because MOST of the warnings were coming from economists who the media do not trust, like the Ludwig Von Mises institute economists; and of course the REMEDIES those economists recommended and still do recommend are deeply unpalatable to the Left. Have you ever read Hayek: “The Intellectuals and Socialism”? He says that the media form a kind of filter between experts on any subject, and the general public. Experts like the Von Mises institute economists will never be read or understood by the general public, and those that DO understand them are unlikely to get essays printed in the media. Journalists themselves are overwhelmingly left wing, and this means firstly, that they probably DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND the issues and are not even able to report on them in a way in which the general public will be convinced that there is a problem.

    Neither do leftwing politicians understand the issues. Come to think of it, MOST politicians do not understand or are unable to act on their understandings anyway. Can you imagine any politician wanting a major crash in house prices to happen on their watch? Yet that is what needs to happen; as long as politicians adopt measures (at huge taxpayer expense by the way) that keep the housing market inflated and keep people’s inflated-value “investments” safe, all we do is stave off the FINAL crash and make it BIGGER when it comes. When it is so big that governments have no chance with the given current and future tax revenue that they have to play with, to stave it off, we are DOOMED. 1930 will look like a Sunday School picnic.

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  28. PhilBest (5,120 comments) says:

    Sorry, I’m still going on addressing your interesting points, “reid”.

    If you define the media in terms of “cultural marxism” rather than the old economic Left/Right, it becomes a lot clearer. Even simpler, define anything in terms of whether or not it weakens traditional Christianity; if it does, the media will be all for it. Islam/BaHai/Rastafarian/Buddhist: the media will be all FOR the tolerance of it. Indigenous peoples religions: all for it. Atheism: all for it. Gaia worship: all for it. “Liberal” christianity (where all notion of sin and the saviour from it is removed): all for it. Openly gay “church ministers”?: Oh, they represent “mainstream” christianity. Socialism? Oh, that’s “applied christianity”. Environmentalism? Perish the thought that man created in the image of God has “dominion” over the earth, or is even superior to “other species” at all. Materialism? Very handy.

    Melanie Phillips said THIS only a week ago, in “The Culture War For the White House”, which bears directly on our discussion:

    “…..(Oliver Kamm) said the financial crisis was not about morality but about incompetence and stupid decisions, and he did not agree with me that at root what lay behind it was, in the words of his fellow witness the Abbot of Worth, ‘militant atheism’. In direct contrast to Oliver I cannot understand how, along with every other form of human interaction, the administration of capitalism cannot have a moral dimension. It is surely important that bankers behave ethically, that politicians behave responsibly and that ordinary people behave prudently.

    I see this financial breakdown, moreover, as being not merely a moral crisis but the monetary expression of the broader degradation of our values – the erosion of duty and responsibility to others in favour of instant gratification, unlimited demands repackaged as ‘rights’ and the loss of self-discipline. And the root cause of that erosion is ‘militant atheism’ which, in junking religion, has destroyed our sense of anything beyond our material selves and the here and now and, through such hyper-individualism, paved the way for the onslaught on bedrock moral values expressed through such things as family breakdown and mass fatherlessness, educational collapse, widespread incivility, unprecedented levels of near psychopathic violent crime, epidemic drunkenness and drug abuse, the repudiation of all authority, the moral inversion of victim culture, the destruction of truth and objectivity and a corresponding rise in credulousness in the face of lies and propaganda — and intimidation and bullying to drive this agenda into public policy.

    The financial crisis was brought about essentially by a public which threw away all notions of prudence and committed itself to spending today what it could never afford to pay back tomorrow, and a banking, regulatory and political sector which ruthlessly and cynically exploited and encouraged such catastrophic irresponsibility with a criminal disregard of the ruinous consequences for the poor. The financial crisis and our social meltdown are thus combining to form a perfect cultural storm.

    The link between all that and the US presidential election is – as Oliver himself acknowledges – the figure of Sarah Palin. It seems to me that the reason she has sparked such an unprecedented campaign of lies, smears, abuse and dangerously unhinged hatred (if you think that’s an exaggeration, just look at the readers’ posts on this very site) is because, as I wrote in the Mail on Monday, she stands against the tide of secular nihilism in the culture wars. Oliver and I dare say Hitchens (although I have not discussed this with him) may be shoulder to shoulder with me on foreign policy but they stand on the other side from me in the culture wars – what I see as nihilism, I suspect they view as progressive — and it is no coincidence that they both stand also for militant (or in Oliver’s case, rather less militant) atheism which they assume (falsely, in my view) is synonymous with rationality. Palin’s evangelical Christianity, and the moral and social positions that flow from that faith, would therefore strike them as beyond appalling. That’s why Oliver sees her as embodying

    anti-intellectualism, insularity, social intolerance and anti-rationalism.

    For me, by contrast, although the nature of her faith and the churches with which she has been associated certainly make me uneasy, they do not alarm me. That’s because I regard evangelicals as allies in the fight to defend authentic liberal, and thus moral, values which I believe are rooted in Judeo-Christian thinking. I’m sure that, had I been around during the Victorian era, I would not have cared either for the evangelicals then trying to convert everyone to Christianity – but the fact remains that it was through their faith that they campaigned against slavery and for just about every social reform that we now think of as enlightened and progressive. For me, ‘anti-intellectualism, insularity, social intolerance and anti-rationalism’ have indeed been unleashed upon our society – not by Christian evangelicals but by the forces of secular fundamentalism and bigotry through such phenomena as scientism, political correctness and post-modernism.

    I don’t much care whether Palin believes in a hundred ridiculous things before breakfast — because what she stands for is a defence of bedrock western moral values against the nihilistic onslaught…….”

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  29. getstaffed (9,189 comments) says:

    Good grief!

    The very suggestion of even half of this wrongdoing would be enough to have any serious democracy take immediate action.

    But let’s face it: We become more like a third-world country with each passing year, when seen in the light of a decaying democratic framework and failing economy. We’re run by a sophisticated and clever despot by the name of Clark, and our future is, apparently, in the hands of the communist/authoritarian Greens and/or the separatist/racist Maori Party.

    What a mess.

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  30. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    dime (519) 6 0 Says:

    October 25th, 2008 at 10:48 am
    goddam these guys come cheap!

    i could afford to buy me a labour MP! cool! 5 grand an MP? haha

    DIME, do really think that $5k is all we are talking about for that level of service?

    Understand that the blackmail will have had an effect, but $5k. Ummmm don’t think so!

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  31. PhilBest (5,120 comments) says:

    Melanie Phillips has a good point, eh, “reid”? The rampant materialism of our age is not really a contradiction of the predominant “cultural marxism” in media and political circles, it is actually a handy ally in their cause. If some Leftist theorists had sufficient intellect to see a crash coming, Noam Chomsky for example, he certainly would not be interested in warning how the crisis could be averted as a crash would bring his glorious socialist revolution that much closer.

    I do believe that the Left is right in terms of the “greed” of large numbers of individual traders in Wall Street, but those people are no more greedy than any other human being, and I honestly believe that most of them would have been trusting the framework within they operated, to not render their actions “evil” so to speak. Any operators who DID know enough to avoid the consequences, could have done very nicely by going along with it BEFORE it became “too late”. Note that Warren Buffett has had a VERY successful year in spite of the trend.

    I also believe now, that politicians are allowing themselves to be captured by hysteria from the financial sector, so as to use taxpayers money to prop up the financial sector itself, when it is the financial sector that deserves to be taught a sharp lesson so that they do not “do it again”. By all means bail out unfortunate people. But propping up the financial sector and keeping housing markets inflated will only bring us a worse crash in time. Instead of spending money propping up the finance sector, huge tax cuts for the PRODUCTIVE sector would result in REAL money flowing into the economy, and this real money would head for the wise investments. Any banks and finance companies that survived would survive precisely because they had been prudent over the last few years and THAT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. The scallywags would be weeded out.

    Furthermore, if we have a shortage of homes, we should allow more to be built and affordably sold by completely abandoning restrictive zoning policies and allowing farmland and land on the urban edges to be turned into 20 thousand dollar sections. This would also be a REAL, productive stimulus to the economy. Keeping the price of sections at 200 grand merely prolongs the problem we have now. Unaffordability, desperate buyers seeking creative means of finance, and a moribund building sector.

    But do you see my point that LEFTWING politics and especially leftwing media shibboleths, would stand completely athwart this?

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  32. getstaffed (9,189 comments) says:

    Perhaps Key could step up and declare that he’ll revoke Yongming Yan’s residency and deport him to China. This would give him a platform to lambast Labour over the scandal, while taking wind out of Winston Xenophobic Peter’s sails.

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  33. colinbr (5 comments) says:

    I haven’t read all the posts, so I hope this has not been covered earlier. It seems that this lady needs to pay for legal help, and this is why a trust has been set up. It is managed by Henry.

    Surely this means that Henry has solicitored this donation so that THE TRUST CAN PAY HENRY!

    If this is the case (public funds used to pay Henry), it is appalling!

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  34. Viking2 (11,284 comments) says:

    Philbest.
    There are more characters in that play I’m sure. Just haven’t identified them all yet and haven’t joined all the dots.

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  35. burt (8,041 comments) says:

    colinbr

    Yes that’s it in a nutshell. He wasn’t called Winston First for nothing.

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  36. trout (922 comments) says:

    Worth noting that re Liu’s citizenship application Rick Barker did a Pontius Pilate and washed his hands of it (because of a ‘perceived or actual conflict of interest’ (NZ Herald)), leaving Shane Jones to sign it off, and they both left it to Dover Samuels (who was retiring anyway) to complete the dirty work by officiating at the ceremony. Mr. Liu for his troubles will now be ‘persona non grata’ to the Labour Party and treated as a leper would be (ask Owen Jennings).

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  37. Rex Widerstrom (5,330 comments) says:

    Well I’d previously been critical of Wishart for what I saw as over-hyping a story but now part 2 has come out I’ll retract that criticism. I still feel he shot his bolt too quickly… he ought to have published part 1 without letting on he knew more, get a few denials on the record, then published part 2 and gone for the hype. As it was he allowed Labour to institute an “inquiry” before the worst of it was known, which means at least a portion of the public (and most of the media) will fall for the “nothing to see here, it’s all under control” line.

    Still, congratulations are certainly due to Wishart for the legwork as well as the courage. It makes me want to gnaw the keyboard, though, when my political instincts are telling me Rod is dead right when he says:

    Quick! Quick!
    Get out a grave announcement fast that a National Government would set up a high level enquiry with wide ranging authority into this carry-on as soon as it gets into power.

    But like that will happen :-/ There are people (including Wishart and MSM journos like Kitchin and Audrey Young) working hard to uncover this stuff, and yet most of it is like pearls before swine when it comes to National’s “strategists”.

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  38. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Phil, interesting points you make and yes I would like some links, sorry I’ve been absent for some hours from the conversation…

    No need BTW to put my name in ” “… reid is my real christian name, I just can’t be arsed capitalising it.

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  39. reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Rex: “most of it is like pearls before swine when it comes to National’s “strategists”.”

    There was a piece in today’s Herald talking with John Ansell and one other about the Nat’s strategy of standing above the fray. John was advocating calling Hulun and Liarbore on their trust issues, pointing out the plethora of ammo and suggesting the attack could be moderated through humour. Very wise advice.

    There is NOTHING repeat NOTHING repeat NOTHING wrong with attacking Liarbore on trust. There is NO DOWNSIDE and plenty of upside. Once again it appears that McCully or someone is fucking up the campaign as we supporters stand by and watch the train wreck unfold. To McCully, or whoever it is that has made this decision to “rise above it,” for fucks sake take Cromwell’s advice repeated by Amory in reference to Chamberlian:

    “You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.”

    McCully, I like you, but you’re possibly the worst chief strategist any party has ever had. Step aside, and let people who can attack take over. Can’t you see what’s happening, you blind ignorant arrogant fool.

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  40. bringbackthebiff (106 comments) says:

    Jeez, is there any room left under the Klarkenfhurers carpet.

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  41. PhilBest (5,120 comments) says:

    Lee, sorry I only thought of checking this thread again now.

    Here is a reading list on the subject of cultural marxism and political correctness: (I won’t do “Links” as the system would not like it, Google should bring these up)

    “Who Stole Our Culture” and “What is Cultural Marxism?” by William S. LIND

    “The Historical Roots of Political Correctness” by Raymond V. RAEHN

    “Gramsci’s Grand Plan” by James THORNTON

    “Gramsci: A Method To the Madness” by William Norman GRIGG

    “What is the Frankfurt School” by Gerald L. ATKINSON

    “Enthralled By Cultural Marxism” by Chuck MORSE

    “Gramsci and the US Body Politic” by Alberto LUZARRAGA

    “The Frankfurt School: Its History, Theories, and Political Significance” BOOK by Rolf Wiggershaus; REVIEW by David WEININGER

    “Why There is a Culture War” by John FONTE

    “Missing Diversity”; “Today’s Culture Wars”; and “Up From Multiculturalism” By David Horowitz

    “The Ongoing Marxist March against The Western Mind” by Frank MORRISS

    “What if you found out that bad stuff is happening on purpose?” By Charley REESE

    “The New Left, Cultural Marxism, and Psychopolitics disguised as Multiculturalism” By Linda KIMBALL

    “Political Correctness: The Revenge of Marxism” by “Fjordman”

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  42. PhilBest (5,120 comments) says:

    Sorry, I meant reid, not Lee.

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  43. jackp (668 comments) says:

    Sorry, but this whole thing is being dumped by the newsmedia. The newsmedia wants to defend Labour. And when they do bring it up, they attach National to it. Pretty sad.

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