Yuck
I know they are adults but grossness in this story from Marlborough Express:
A Blenheim father facing five charges of sexually assaulting his adult daughter has been found not guilty on all charges this afternoon. …
The jury of six men and six women had listened to evidence for a day and a half, hearing details of the incident on August 7 last year when the complainant, then 31, had joined other family members at the accused’s house. His wife had gone to hospital after being unwell for a few weeks.
Alcohol was drunk by some of the people in the house that night, including the complainant. In the early hours of the morning, make-shift sleeping arrangements for everyone were organised and the accused invited the complainant and her small son to share a queen-sized bed with him.
Describing what happened next, defence lawyer Rob Harrison told the jury: ”It was inappropriate and it was wrong but it was not rape.”
He said the combined affects of the complainant’s inebriation and the accused’s trauma and lack of sleep over several weeks while looking after his wife, whose condition was then considered as possibly terminal, resulted in the usual barriers breaking down between father and daughter.
What a euphemism – “the usual barriers”.
And while one accepts the court decision it was not rape, I wonder if incest charges were considered?
The part that really grossed me out was this:
When sober the next morning, the complainant realised the horror of what had happened and made contact with Women’s Refuge, a doctor and the police. The accused, however, was still feeling comforted by what had occurred in the bed, sent text and voice messages to her cell phone. In one he said: ”Come over so we can do what we did this morning.”
Bad enough to sleep with your (adult) daughter. But to text her the next day asking for a repeat performance – yuck yuck yuck.
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June 13th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
My thoughts exactly David.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Not something I’d do, but adults + consent = should be nobody else’s business, least of all the law’s.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
What Rex said…..its gross and shiver inducing….but its not a crime…..noones rights were violated.
In the old south they would wonder what all the fuss was about….”If she ain’t good enough for her own kin folk how can we expect anyone else to want her?”
June 13th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Incest is one of the last bastions of religious morality enforced by the state, and should be dispensed with.
Had the father been convicted of incest in this case the daughter would have been equally guilty – under s.130 Crimes Act 1961 the offence is absolute. Even the lack of consent is no defence – a raped daughter over 16 is still guilty of incest if she knew it was her father (or brother or half-brother) committing the act. However in exactly the same circumstances rape by a man a girl believes to be her father or brother etc. – and even if he believes it so himself – is not incest if in fact he isn’t.
Presumably this is why the offence in this case was instead one of sexual assault – the girl, like many women, consent to sex and then subsequently regret it, and seek to be absolved of any ‘guilt’ by blaming the man involved. ‘Incest’ would have of necessity rendered her equally criminal and thus she would have been unlikely to persist with the complaint.
“Sexual connection” without true consent should be a crime in any circumstances. Sexual connection between genuinely consenting adults should not be a crime whatever ‘we’ might think about it, and even whatever the participants might think about it afterwards. In this case the jury found the necessary consent was there and that should be the sum of it.
June 13th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
So was the son in bed with them too? If so, then I assume both of them would have been charged.
I have no idea how even alcohol can bring these barriers down.
June 13th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
More than yuck – this is throw up until you dry wretch stuff
June 13th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Agreed. But still, yuck.
This bit intrigued me:
This is a too-bloody-common story. I have had three (not one, not two, but three) friends falsely accused of rape (for clarity, I know beyond even the smallest shadow of a doubt that the complaints were false – two complainants later admitted it was bollocks and one went to court only to have all her friends who were at the party in question testify against her).
Of course, on rediculously spurious evidence all three blokes had their names dragged through the mud, causing an enormous amount of pain and hardship for them. The one who was actually taken to court ended up dropping out of uni, despite a very promising future as an engineer.
In my opinion, Women’s Refuge and Rape Crisis are absolutely to blame here. They encourage an all-men-are-criminals culture which actively encourages lying, shameful women to falsely accuse men of whatever comes to mind, even to the point where one bedreadlocked lesbian informed a classful of 13 year old boys at my school that we were “all potential rapists”.
That particular cow informed us that even if we obtained express vocal permission to touch a girl, even to hold hands, we had to ascertain that the girl was emotionally strong enough, and had enough self-esteem, that her consent was in fact genuine.
Well, to the feminist sisterhood: FUCK OFF.
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Ok, so that was a bit off-topic, sorry
June 13th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Rather shocking for sure, but it is still to common this occurance in NZ. I think many think it stopped post Once Were Warriors…
Texting to his daughter the following morning tops off a focking disgusting run of events…
June 13th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
incest – the game the whole family can play.
June 13th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
“Incest is one of the last bastions of religious morality enforced by the state, and should be dispensed with.”
Bollocks.
Any parent screwing their own offspring is wrong for plenty of reasons other than religious. This is some sick stuff.
Next thing you will be advocating for legal sexual relationships with children if its “loving and consentual” as some peodophile activists (among others) are proposing.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
“This is a too-bloody-common story. I have had three (not one, not two, but three) friends falsely accused of rape (for clarity, I know beyond even the smallest shadow of a doubt that the complaints were false – two complainants later admitted it was bollocks and one went to court only to have all her friends who were at the party in question testify against her).”
Christopher, there will always be people of both sexes who take advantage wrongly of situations like this.
True, some women have used rape complaints as a way of absolving themselves from the guilt of sex they later regret. This was also true decades ago when societies like Womens Refuge and Rape Crisis didn’t exist at all, a woman only needed to turn up and point the finger in a rape trial for the alleged victim to be sent to jail, a much less scrutinised process. So I don’t think these groups can be accused of fostering behaviour like this.
Rape Crisis and Women’s Refuge do a lot more good for actual victims of abuse than any potential harm they do to males.
If a guy hasn’t done anything wrong then he has nothing to fear from a rape trial right? Innocent until proven guilty.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:38 am
Why are women always presumed innocent?
In a refuge, or support centre the main issue is that the visitors should never trust a man with testicles!
Fair enough, but when the dykes in these centres take advantage, that is just the ‘Sisterhood offering Comfort’.
Men are bastards, but butch women are saviours!
frankly social engineering at it’s hiatus!
June 14th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Wait they were both were into it when hammered, but she gets to change her mind the next day and he gets charged because he didn’t?
Frankly they’re not the only ones that are inbred. The whole bloody system is a banjo strumming mutant called Jethro. Or Billy.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Jordan said: “If a guy hasn’t done anything wrong then he has nothing to fear from a rape trial right? Innocent until proven guilty”.
Clearly you haven’t heard of David Dougherty. He was found guilty of a rape he didn’t commit and served three years in prison before his wrongful conviction was quashed. Then there’s Aaron Farmer whose conviction for rape was quashed recently. Police had fabricated evidence against him. The idea that an innocent person has nothing to fear is nonsense.
As far as sex with your daughter is concerned, didn’t Woody Allen marry his (adopted) daughter?
June 15th, 2009 at 10:01 am
SOmething not right here. Was she really his actual daughter or a “step daughter”?
He was 31, she was an adult with a child. That means she was over 18. So he would have had to have been 12/13 when he fathered her. Not impossible but not common either.
June 15th, 2009 at 10:50 am
I find equally appalling the attitude of some on this blog.
This sets a very dangerous precedent. If it is legal for a father to have sex with his 31 year old daughter then how about if she was 21, 18 or even 16.
I would like to know why he was not charged with incest. We of course do not know how much she had to drink. However, she did respond to his text for a repeat performance. If she did she could also be considered guilty taking into account that she was 31 not 21.
Have any of the liberals who believe incest should be legal considered the possibility of pregnancy?