Selected

July 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 pm by David Farrar

Two have been selected from the ballot.

The first is the Customs and Excise (Prohibition of Imports Made by Slave Labour) Amendment Bill by Labour’s . This bill comes from the NZ Progressive Bills Wiki, so it shows you do not need to be an MP to have a real input inti legislation. It simply “prohibits goods manufactured or produced wholly or in part by child labour”.

The second is the Te Rā o Mātāriki/Mātāriki Day Bill by the Maori Party’s . This bill would make Mātāriki, or the Maori New Year, a public holiday – on the day of the next new moon following the day in which the moon rises in the months of May or June.

By coincidence the Greens are having a Mātāriki Party tonight, which they have kindly invited me to. So I guess they will be pleased the bill has been drawn (even though it is a Maori Party Bill) and there will be lots of organic beer being drunk to celebrate!

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40 Responses to “Selected”

  1. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    I wonder if they use organic condoms?

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  2. infused (654 comments) says:

    Condoms are over rated.

    Interesting bills…

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  3. IdiotSavant (88 comments) says:

    It simply “prohibits goods manufactured or produced wholly or in part by child labour”.

    s/child/slave/

    (And yes, I am rather pleased)

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  4. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    I’m all for celebrating Mātāriki, but if we are to have an additional public holday, I think the priority needs to be later in the year – as a break in the long cold weeks between Queen’s Birthday and Labour Day. Mātāriki is a bit too early in the year to achieve that usually.

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  5. big bruv (13,884 comments) says:

    Great!, just what we need, more state enforced stone age superstition.

    No doubt Neville Key has demanded that his MP’s vote for this politically correct bullshit.

    [DPF: So you favour getting rid of Easter and Xmas holidays also? They are equally based on superstition]

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  6. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    Ah, bruv understand a Māori word.

    Oh, that’s right, DPF explained what it was.

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  7. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    More public holidays???? Good grief With our economy in recession the last thing we need is more holidays.

    If the government is really serious about increasing productivity it would cancell public holidays until further notice and restrict annual holidays to 10 days pa.

    We had 10 days annual holidays when I started work and it didnt do us any harm

    Remember the devil finds work for idle hands.

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  8. David Farrar (1,894 comments) says:

    Why not swap it for the silly Queens Birthday. After all it isn’t her real birthday and not even the UK have a holiday for her birthday.

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  9. Grizz (244 comments) says:

    There really are some pathetic Private Member’s bills. While all high on feel good factor. None go anywhere close to solving the many challenges faced by New Zealanders. Case in point being the anti-smacking bill. It took the high moral ground, but did nothing to solving children being murdered, mutilated or neglected at the hands of their caregivers. Why does parliament give time to such pointless lawmaking?

    I would only accept Maori New Year if we sacrificed another public holiday, like anniversary days, or Labour Day.

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  10. jarbury (464 comments) says:

    Why not swap it for the silly Queens Birthday. After all it isn’t her real birthday and not even the UK have a holiday for her birthday.

    OMG agreeing with you twice in just a few minutes DPF. What’s the world coming to? Although having an extra public holiday would be nice, I think that if we were to sacrifice any existing one the Queen’s Birthday is the obvious one to go.

    I wonder if National are likely to support either bill….

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  11. big bruv (13,884 comments) says:

    DPF

    You are obviously confused, the only people who want to take away Easter and Xmas holidays are those who just cannot live with out a triple shot trim milk coffee 365 days a year.

    Mind you, this does not surprise me at all, the Nat’s were the same bunch of bullshitting bastards who said that NOBODY would ever be forced to work weekends when they introduced seven day shopping, obviously you have been given the job by Neville key and his mates to float the idea of 365 day shopping again.

    When will the Nat’s realise the one of the biggest contributors to our nations pathetic level of productivity is seven day shopping and the ridiculous number of hours we are forced to work……………..yet still some people go into melt down mode every year because they cannot shop on Good Friday and Easter Sunday.

    [DPF: You as usual are wrong on everything. You can get a coffee in dozens of places around Wellington over Easter. I've told you this before. Do you have a memory problem or inability to realise you need to change arguments when your one is false?

    Most of all, you are missing the major point. You decried Matariki as a superstitious holiday, and I asked about Easter and Xmas. Whu choose one superstition over another? Why not keep Easter but rename it New Zealand Long Weekend?]

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  12. big bruv (13,884 comments) says:

    “Why not swap it for the silly Queens Birthday. After all it isn’t her real birthday and not even the UK have a holiday for her birthday.”

    It’s only silly if you favour becoming a republic and bowing to President Clark.

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  13. BlairM (2,339 comments) says:

    Ditto for DPF’s idea of swapping Queen’s Birthday for Matariki. At least Matariki would be a meaningful holiday.

    There’s nothing republican about getting rid of Queen’s Birthday – it’s not the Queen’s real birthday, and when the mother country doesn’t even have a public holiday for it, it seems ridiculous that New Zealand should have one.

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  14. Cerium (23,559 comments) says:

    “It’s only silly if you favour becoming a republic and bowing to President Clark.”

    No, it’s silly regardless. Who knows when her actual birthday is? Who cares?
    What happens when she dies (I presume she hasn’t yet). Do we change to another random holiday day to celebrate Charlies birthday?

    Replacing it with an NZ culture related holiday is a good idea. And so is the suggestion put forward recently about allowing transferable public holidays, and doing away with the current mess.

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  15. big bruv (13,884 comments) says:

    “Replacing it with an NZ culture related holiday is a good idea”

    Rubbish, it is not “NZ culture” at all, until recently most Kiwi’s would never have heard of this day, indeed, most still have no idea nor interest in its supposed cultural significance.

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  16. Kapital (120 comments) says:

    GD Did you used to live in a lake ?

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  17. lofty (1,310 comments) says:

    “Why not swap it for the silly Queens Birthday. After all it isn’t her real birthday and not even the UK have a holiday for her birthday”.

    I could not agree more DPF, the last thing we would like to see is yet another public holiday to added to our ever increasing day in lieu entitlements.

    In our business which is a 24/7 operation the days in lieu stack up like you would not believe.

    I vote for cancellation of Queens birthday.

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  18. lofty (1,310 comments) says:

    It is not unusual for any of our staff members to have 11+ days in lieu & their 4 weeks holiday.

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  19. MT_Tinman (3,184 comments) says:

    # big bruv (4055) Vote: Add rating 2 Subtract rating 1 Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Great!, just what we need, more state enforced stone age superstition.

    No doubt Neville Key has demanded that his MP’s vote for this politically correct bullshit.

    [DPF: So you favour getting rid of Easter and Xmas holidays also? They are equally based on superstition]

    Damned straight!

    To both points.

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  20. big bruv (13,884 comments) says:

    DPF

    “You decried Matariki as a superstitious holiday, and I asked about Easter and Xmas. Whu choose one superstition over another? Why not keep Easter but rename it New Zealand Long Weekend?]”

    It might help if you told the truth David, I described it as “stone age” state enforced holiday, but hey, don’t let the truth get in the way of your almost manic determination to take away the three and half days a year when almost ALL Kiwi’s can plan family gatherings safe in the knowledge that some wanker like Stephen Tindal will not force them to work.

    You guys (and here I do mean you and the Nat’s as sadly this site has become little more than the mouth piece or sounding board for the socialist National party) just don’t get it, the more you take away people leisure time in a misguided attempt to wring more money out of them the less productive they become.

    Anyway, back to your (wrong) original point, Easter and Xmas are TRADITIONAL NZ holidays, this Moari thing they want to force us to celebrate is something that 99% of Kiwi’s had never heard of until recently, it is nothing more than PC bullshit.

    [DPF: This is not actually about shop trading hours. I knwo you struggle with difficult concepts but shop trading hours are a different issue to public holidays. You decried Matariki as being a stone age superstitious holiday yet defend Easter and Xmas as traditional holidays. So your logic appears to be if the superstition extends back 2000 years it is good superstition, while if it extends back only 700 years it is bad supersitition]

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  21. big bruv (13,884 comments) says:

    The only thing I struggle with DPF is when a smart, intelligent, original thinker like yourself lets himself become nothing more than a cheer leader for the National party.

    You seem to have developed a rather silly habit of attacking those who dare question Neville Key and the Nat’s, it is rather reminiscent of the way the hard left go after one of their own who dares to disagree with the Nomenklatura.

    How the hell can you say that any discussion around public holidays has nothing to do with shop trading hours?, to even suggest the two are not connected is disingenuous at best, the fact remains DPF that the Nat’s want to do away with public holidays and replace them with annual leave.

    We do not need any more annual leave, we did not need the fourth week introduced by the Labour government, what we need is better productivity and the return of the traditional Kiwi weekend where Mum and Dad have the time to care for their kids, take them to sport and make their own fucking coffee!

    [DPF: You should try not inventing things. As far as I know National has no policy or plans to do away with national holidays. In fact sadly most National MPs are like you - totally conservative and resistant to change when it comes to a sensible regime for shop trading hours or public holidays.

    And you may have missed me attacking today the Govt's decision on cellphones in cars and yesterday's criticism of John Key and Paula Bennett over their response to the Maori Welfare report.]

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  22. paradigm (452 comments) says:

    Condoms are over rated.

    So is the “DPB lifestyle”

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  23. Jeff83 (745 comments) says:

    He he he.

    Im for it, with or without dumping Queens Birthday.

    Gd

    “We had 10 days annual holidays when I started work and it didnt do us any harm”

    Pretty sure 12 hour days were not a normal thing when you started work either. Think you would be hard placed to argue thsoe who work work less than people did in the 50s mate. Happy to be proved wrong.

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  24. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    Jeff83
    Standard hours of work Monday to Friday 8am to 5pm 30 minutes lunch. Saturday 8am to 1pm no break but paid at 1.5.

    Min 2 days week overtime of 3 hours each paid at 1.5

    Average 53.5 hr p wk.

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  25. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    The first is the Customs and Excise (Prohibition of Imports Made by Slave Labour) Amendment Bill by Labour’s Maryan Street.

    There goes chocolate.

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  26. Cerium (23,559 comments) says:

    You can make submissions on this here: http://dol.govt.nz/consultation/holidays-act-review/

    It includes : Allowing all employers and employees to agree to transfer the observance of a public holiday listed in the Act to another day

    Something similar is already done in some areas (eg Otago) with anniversary days where they can be taken at a more convenient day. This ensures employees get their quota of public holidays but avoids the payment complications that arise now and may help reduce the accumulation of lieu days.

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  27. Cerium (23,559 comments) says:

    And: Treatment of public holidays
    13. What are your views on the significance of the 11 public holidays listed in the Act? (These are: Christmas Day; Boxing Day; New Year’s Day; 2 January; Waitangi Day; Good Friday; Easter Monday; ANZAC Day; Queen’s Birthday; Labour Day; and Provincial Anniversary Day.)

    Take part in the democratic process if you feel strongly about it.

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  28. backster (2,171 comments) says:

    Well we could cancel Waitangi Day and install Matariki Day, alternatively we could make Matariki day a holiday for Maori only, that wouldn’t affect overall productivity much indeed it might improve it. It would also acknowledge Maori as special people.

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  29. Camryn (543 comments) says:

    When Charles becomes King, he’ll leave it up to the government to decide when they’d like the holiday to celebrate his birthday to be. They can say “the day of the next new moon following the day in which the moon rises in the months of May or June” and we can have both King’s Birthday and Mātāriki on the same day.

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  30. BlairM (2,339 comments) says:

    And what about the other legislation? Banning imports manufactured by children? Would Maryan Street rather that third world families become destitute rubbish dump scavengers, or sell their children into marriage or prostitution? Very feminist that. Yes, no child should have to work for a living, but in many countries a human right like that is a luxury. The answer is to encourage people to buy those products so that third world economies are enriched, not take away that income and make things worse.

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  31. big bruv (13,884 comments) says:

    “By coincidence the Greens are having a Mātāriki Party tonight, which they have kindly invited me to.”

    Ewwwww…yuk, surely you are not going?

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  32. dion (95 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t say no to another holiday. Especially if it’s made to fall on a Monday :-)

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  33. Crusader (314 comments) says:

    Please add my vote for a Matariki holiday in place of the Queen’s Birthday (which isn’t even her real birthday anyway).
    And how about “Dominion Day” (late September, to commemorate NZ becoming an independent dominion rather than a colony) in place of Labour Day.
    At least that would space out the public hols better over the year!

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  34. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    Anti-child labour bill sounds like motherhood until you start trying to define a child, work out who is goiing to pay for proving your imports aren’t touched anywhere by “children”, and working out which countries can be discriminated against.

    …and I dont recall EVER hearing about “Matariki” until the last decade or so.

    When I was a child I used to love getting work because that equalled getting money.

    It’s clearly just a trojan horse for an anti-free trade lobby.

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  35. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    Crusader said: And how about “Dominion Day”…

    I’ve often wondered why that is a holiday for the legal profession and for South Canterbury, but not for anyone else.

    KiwiGreg said: …and I dont recall EVER hearing about “Matariki” until the last decade or so.

    Probably because, like most things Māori, under assimilationist policies Pakeha either tried to pretend they didn’t exist or actively suppressed them. We even had the Tohunga Suppression Act on our statute books between 1907 and 1962:

    Every person who gathers Maoris around him by practising on their superstition or credulity, or who misleads or attempts to mislead any Maori by professing or pretending to profess supernatural powers in the treatment of cure of any disease, or in the foretelling of future events, or otherwise, is liable on summary conviction before a Magistrate to a fine not exceeding twenty-five pounds or to imprisonment for a period not exceeding twelve months in the case of a second or any subsequent offence against this Act.

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  36. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Matariki sounds like a good idea but lets have a new day for it, Queens birthday is as much part of NZ’s heritage.

    Toad, you don’t have to make everything an apologists wetdream with respect colonisation of NZ by the British. It happened, 200 years later the piss taking by the treaty grievance industry rolls on. NZ would be a great deal better off closing the bi-cultural myth and operating in a multi-cultural society with no race based prefernces.

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  37. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    Seems like a perfectly sensible law, just replace “Maori” with “any person”.

    Be a good way of getting rid of all the churches, chiropractors and herbalists too.

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  38. johnbt (90 comments) says:

    So this would be a Maori day off, but for everyone?

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  39. clintheine (1,570 comments) says:

    Thanks Toad for being a middle aged white boy trying to inflict guilt upon us all and accusing us all of oppressing the Maori. :)

    The real story is all the bills that were not drawn out of the ballot and the stupidity of what was. So we will debate a holiday and a bill that will make no difference to slave labour? Does Parliament deliberately take the piss or do the left think it’s funny to put in these silly bills? More disregard for our tax dollars!

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  40. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    Here’s a thought – all of you who want “Matariki” as a day off use up one of your annual leave days and just take it. Dont inflict it on the rest of us. While we are at it let’s get rid of all the “public” holidays and let folks choose there own time off.

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