Trying to reinvent Labour

January 10th, 2010 at 1:14 pm by David Farrar

blogs at Red Alert:

Kerre Woodham’s column in the HoS today promotes letting or even encouraging kids to take some risks.

Too often risk averse parents and schools wrap kids in cotton wool to the point where they don’t develop the power to judge risk and make their own decisions.

I agree, but find such a stance hilarious from the party that set out to remove choice in so many areas, especially around risk. I commented:

Hell next Trevor will be advocating that a kid should be allowed to decide for him/her self whether or not to buy a pie from the school tuckshop after a sports game.

Hard to see that the party that doesn’t even trust a kid to decide on whether or not to have a pie, is about to roll back ,

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60 Responses to “Trying to reinvent Labour”

  1. redqueen (342 comments) says:

    Labour…contradictions? hypocracy? Surprise surprise…

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  2. Manolo (12,612 comments) says:

    Nothing less could be expected from the thuggish Mallard, prince of lies, master of the doublespeak, and accompished trougher.

    This despicable character ought to be ignored.

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  3. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    did he slag you off or ban you for a week??

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  4. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    just had a look .. and yep, he let go an insult.
    I also notr on redalrt that he now has a big Facebook following which is seen by some as a great achievement .. we were “friends” but he deleted me after a little discussion between a Dame Helen devotee and myself. oh well. Pity really as i was trying to understand him better. I now know my thoughts about him months (in fact years) ago were correct.

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  5. Rachael Rich (204 comments) says:

    Speaking of reinventing Labour, Gordy might be surfing Red Alert today for some tips. Will he last the week!!!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1241978/Browns-election-shambles-Man-ran-Labour-Party-reveals-chaos-No-10-devastating-new-book.html

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  6. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    I think it is safe to say Brown is in real trouble and the election will be Camerons to lose.
    Mind you, being PM in Britain at the moment wouldn’t be too much fun.

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  7. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    What fuckwit at the Herald thinks the ruminations of the Castro groupie Woodham are of interest to the public.

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  8. somewhatthoughtful (436 comments) says:

    pie != to safety. banning unhealthy food from tuckshops is smart public health and nutrition policy. banning kids from fucking around is not

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  9. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    I have never really understood what is wrong with a decent pie. Ok, pastry is supposed to be fatty but the actual contents can be pretty good.

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  10. burt (7,083 comments) says:

    I must admit Trevor’s behaviour in the house makes it is hard to imagine he liked having bullrush banned.

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  11. burt (7,083 comments) says:

    jaba

    It’s an easy symbol to use as an icon for action. Like CO2. It’s a nice short snappy name (Pie, CO2) and people remember it, you can attach a whole mindset of thinking to it. Who hasn’t heard the ‘golf ball of fat in every one’ line ?

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  12. noskire (796 comments) says:

    I wonder if Trevor was subtly referring to the Labour Party caucus…

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  13. kiwitoffee (383 comments) says:

    I do find it hard to take not-so-clever Trevor seriously. He’s the quintessential political animal, addicted to power, willing to say whatever is necessary, and not happy unless he’s kicking somebody.

    On the subject of wrapping up children (especially violent adolescents) in cotton wool, one needs only look through the Ministry of Education’s website to see the extraordinary lengths it goes to in ‘protecting’ bad kids from the consequences of their behaviour.

    An angry schoolkid tells a teacher to f**k off. Consequence: the teacher has to get some advice on ‘managing student behaviour’ (that’s Minedspeak).

    I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. And I hope the current government changes this

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  14. Alistair Miller (557 comments) says:

    Kiwitoffee, the one area the current government has shown any spine at all is in taking on the education cabal. So far it has only been the teachers’ union, but it is my sincere hope that Minister Tolley will soon put the MoE in the crosshairs. I mean, I just read Michael Drake’s article in the November 2009 issue of Investigate (pilfered, or borrowed, from the doctor’s surgery this morning) which talks about the new curriculum. Bloody terrifying stuff there.

    That said, nobody anywhere near the top of the National Party appears to have any balls at all (think John The Appeaser Key,Bill Do Nothing English, Mad Nick Smith, Simon Empty Suit Power and others) so I wouldn’t hold my breath for any change of the last government’s hard-a-port course. Nanny is alive and well, and clearly if a schoolkid tells a teacher to f***k off, the kid is a victim of something and the teacher needs to better manage the expected outcomes. Oh, and I suspect the kid told the teacher to f**k off, because the kid didn’t know how to spell fuck.

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  15. wreck1080 (3,522 comments) says:

    mallard must go.

    Maybe he could be employed by some homeless bum to wipe his butt.

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  16. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    Trying to reinvent Labour

    ..what a waste of time…you cant make honey out of dog shit…get rid of all the old smelly wood..mallard , full moon king etc and replace with youngins like “giddy up ” Arden , Ritchie Cunningham Hipkins , etc …then you mite have something.

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  17. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    my prediction is the King with be replaced as deputy leader by someone like what’s his name from Mt Albert .. shearer I think. He is a danger to Philin and King is a little mad.

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  18. the prince (10 comments) says:

    god, will the PC madness ever cease?!?!?!

    Of course children should be left to make decisions about whether to eat a pie and other junk foods at school. I can’t believe we ever took away the choice of smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol from them. This is just another step to socialism. bah.

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  19. ross (1,454 comments) says:

    Yes, Prince, a pie is just like smoking and alcohol!!! Did you forget to take your meds?

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  20. Steve (4,313 comments) says:

    I read your comment on Red Blurt. How come Trev the hev did not ban you DPF?
    I would think many commenters where banned on that post today. The head Duck is quackers.

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  21. Rex Widerstrom (5,124 comments) says:

    Poor Trevor. To understand what’s happening you only need to have seen “Lord of the Rings”. Helen is The Ring, Trevor is poor Frodo. Now he’s no longer in such close proximity to such concentrated evil, his head is clearing and he’s actually speaking his mind :-D

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  22. Duxton (543 comments) says:

    What Basher Mallard didn’t say is that, under Labour, the after-match pie could only be purchased if:

    1. No score had been kept during the game, or the game had been a manufactured draw (to make sure that no-one loses).

    2. No-one was injured during the game.

    3. The pie was manufactured without pastry (fattening) or meat (horrible farming practises).

    4. The pie-seller donates a portion of their income to the Labour Party.

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  23. Michaels (1,317 comments) says:

    How come they moderate their posts but then delete the ones they don’t like?? I don’t get it.
    Me thinks mine may not get up :)

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  24. burt (7,083 comments) says:

    Michaels

    Looks like whatever you said got you a lifetime ban. You didn’t suggest you might stand as an independent did you ?

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  25. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    Michaels .. what did you say?

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  26. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    I just saw why you got a lifetime ban .. you spelt his name wrong and that would really shit him.

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  27. Inventory2 (9,787 comments) says:

    Tell us Michaels – a lifetime ban on your very first comment – must have been a doozy!

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  28. Steve (4,313 comments) says:

    Ah Michaels,
    You maybe insulted Trev’s resident bot “The Potatoe Person”

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  29. kiwirights (48 comments) says:

    I see Trevor Mallard replied to you David “I could make the obvious response but I won’t”. I just can’t think what he means…

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  30. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    we know mallard sits there all day with his hand on it..playing with it..feeling the power..of the delete button..pathetic isnt it.

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  31. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    is he still dating the rower, the shot putter or the SPARQ chicky babe or his he back to hand on Eric?

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  32. Dirty Rat (504 comments) says:

    Whats this bollocks having a go at Mallard about dipping his wick into many people.

    If he can get his nuts polished by some chick more than four times a week, then fucking good on him.

    Its completely irrelevant to the political argument, unless you ACT fantasists have no answer to his debate.

    Yup, I think thats it, the typical ACT and its merry MMP members response, we cant beat him in an argument so we have a go at him because he gets more shags than us.

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  33. Simon (611 comments) says:

    Judge risk?

    Yeah when you want to hit someone make sure it is in a setting where it is not expected. Walk right up to them and let fly.

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  34. Michaels (1,317 comments) says:

    Oh dear I am so sad, I did get banned, but not just banned a lifetime, oh boo hoo…..
    Damn I didn’t take a copy!!!!
    Lesson number one!!! TAKE A COPY!!!!!
    However, my email adress was something like trever@wankland.com or something like that. So could I go back??
    I would expect the lovely guy D4J being banned, but me???

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  35. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Ease up Michaels I am allowed to post there but why bother. Suck eggs and don’t drag me into your banned bum.
    TAB – is paying evens that I will be banned for eight months before Easter Bunny visits. Oh well, such is life.

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  36. Michaels (1,317 comments) says:

    AHHHHHH D4J… dum-de-do-dum-de-da…..
    And I’d take 2-1 that you’d be banned from here by then to lol!!!

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  37. Michaels (1,317 comments) says:

    Just a thought, maybe Trev would be so kind to paste my post here :)

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  38. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Can I have a slice of that 2-1 action as I a got a sleazy bookie who take all bets.
    Come out to play Trevor. RED AJERK – the bell has gone crazy.

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  39. peterwn (2,932 comments) says:

    According to the cops (particularly one Auckland cop), the biggest risk of eating a pie (especially a service station one) is burning your mouth out, not cardiac problems, diabetes etc.

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  40. Rich Prick (1,319 comments) says:

    Didn’t this prize prick advocate sticking a 330ml beer bottle up some one’s rectum. Hardly health and safety minded then, so I guess he is loosening us up for a full pint sized bottle. This is what is wrong with Labour, treat us like fuckwits when in government with silly laws to save us from ourselves, then advocate against the spirit of those same silly laws when in opposition.

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  41. pdm (842 comments) says:

    You may have seen that I challanged Mallard – suggesting Labour had 9 years to turn Political Correctness around but it escalated under their watch. – or words to that effect – I was polite.

    Mallard deleted that as boring.

    I challanged him on the basis that he should be encouraging debate on these matters and I think I did suggest he was intolerent. Again I was polite.

    Mallard deleted that as well and banned me for a month.

    Before the banning I had noticed DPF’s comment and went back and suggested to Mallard the DPF was gietting favourable treatment compared to other people such as myself.

    Silly move I guess because my ban is now 3 months.

    Intgolerent Trev certainly deserves that name. Lucky for him I don’t make a practice of using obscenities because I am tempted – the dickhead!!!

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  42. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    I imagine Trev is pissed off because he wasn’t invited on the tramping trip with Hel’s and instead got stuck with the deluded fools at the ‘Young’ Labour conference wittering on about how Gen Y and Facebook will save their asses.

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  43. kiwirights (48 comments) says:

    It’s interesting comparing the tone of the comments at that Labour blog site and here. The bans seem to be dished out with enough care to actually prevent some of that nasty kind of comment, like the above, from getting a hold, whereas here, comments as puerile as the above stay in place and in fact are the norm. Whatever you think of the issues, at least they seem to discuss them, from my brief look today, whereas here, there is a lot of childish ranting, for the most part.

    It makes it hard for conservatives like me, with an open mind, to feel like contributing here is worth it, to be honest. In fact I am having trouble finding a place on the internet for me that doesn’t have a leftie tinge, but also doesn’t have ranting right wing extremist nutters, as opposed to people with a bit of common sense and experience having a place to chat.

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  44. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    trip trop trip trop – as opposed to what, the highly policed states that are the leftosphere?

    While we are discussing, perhaps you’d like to stay on topic yes, as this thread is about:
    1) Labours reinvention (attempts)
    2) Mallards backflipping on Labours nanny state policies

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  45. Pete George (21,796 comments) says:

    1) Labours reinvention (attempts)

    They certainly need to attempt that a bit more.

    2) Mallards backflipping on Labours nanny state policies

    If they have learnt from their mistakes and change their policies surely that is a good thing?

    I’d much rather have politicians who are prepared to adjust their views and policies based on information and experience rather than being painted into policy corners scared of smudging the floor.

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  46. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    1) 355 days to go

    2) Fine. It doesn’t mean you can’t point out the obvious backflip.

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  47. pdm (842 comments) says:

    Pete George said – `if they haven’t learnedfrom their mistakes and change their policies surely that is a good thing.

    The point is they won’t learn anything if they won’t front up and debate their mistakes.

    Expat – did you get a year from Mallard?

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  48. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    pdm – no, I have been very polite while on his turf although I did point out the irony of his banning frenzy in a roll back the nanny state thread, don’t think he really got it though (or puported not to).

    Was referring to 355 days for Labour to try and reinvent itself this year, LOL!

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  49. Pete George (21,796 comments) says:

    Some people seem to think blogs are for them to say whatever they like. They’re not. They are for whoever runs the blogs to run them however they like.

    No one likes to have their mistakes pointed out to them over and over. No one likes to be abused. It’s human nature.

    By the sound of things Red Alert wants to discuss and try and develop ideas and policies. A bit like a public meeting. They choose to chair the meeting – that is not always a bad way to do things.

    I’m not trying to defend how they do it, I don’t go there so I don’t know – all I hear is people saying they get deleted and banned, but many seem to just want to ridicule and abuse so it’s hardly surprising.

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  50. pdm (842 comments) says:

    Pete and Expat – all I was trying to do was get Mallard to debate an issue. If I made a mistake it was say that DPF gets favoured treatment compared to the rest of us at Red Alert.

    I was not abusive or using foul language – if you track my history on this and other blogs I rearely swear or abuse people.
    This comment is pretty much the tenor of my style. INV2 will confirm as we joust a fair bit at Keeping Stock.

    BTW DPF I am not having a go at you here.

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  51. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Theres your mistake pdm – questioning.

    One must err on the side of obsequious toadying on red alert with Trevor when he is in one “his moods”.

    ;)

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  52. Pete George (21,796 comments) says:

    Fair enough pdm, it’s just that a few here seem to just want to go to Red Alert or Standard and bait an abuse, I think those blogs might be a bit over sensitive to that.

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  53. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    ” Fair enough pdm, it’s just that a few here seem to just want to go to Red Alert or Standard and bait an abuse, I think those blogs might be a bit over sensitive to that.”

    Some people prefer to be robust in their expressions of contempt for those who support the disgusting ideology of Progressivism.

    Not everyone Mr. George, is capable of the slimy self deceit that allows evil ideas to be promoted using language that is perfectly politically correct.

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  54. Pete George (21,796 comments) says:

    That’s funny coming from you Red, you try and shout down opinions, they (Red Alert and Standard) are successful at it because they run their own blogs. Maybe you could learn something from that.

    “Robust expressions of contempt” don’t actually achieve much, do they.

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  55. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    I always tried to be positive in my questioning on the Redalert posts BUT they really really don’t want to be questioned.
    I really don’t understand why they bother with this site as all they want is praise. as with others above, I never abused anybody, I usually stayed “on thread” and offered alternative views which is what they say the site is for.
    Most of the slagging of the Redalert site is justified.
    If they want debate then why don’t Trev, Clare and Hippy come to Kiwiblog (hell hide who you are with a nickname if you need to).
    Maybe DPF can offer them a post a week??

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  56. Pete George (21,796 comments) says:

    It depends on what the purpose of their blog is Jaba. I suspect they might be trying to create a carefully designed image of “good” on-line politics rather than trying to have a public debate forum. Remember, they are likely to have media advisers and image consultants etc. The problem with this approach is that “ordinary” people are unlikely to be interested in a blog, and bloggers aren’t interested in an exercise in PR.

    But who knows what will work in the blogosphere, it’s all an evolving medium.

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  57. Pete George (21,796 comments) says:

    If they want debate then why don’t Trev, Clare and Hippy come to Kiwiblog

    Trev sometimes posts here under his name. Who knows who else does under pseudonyms.

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  58. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    “These are the voices of Labour MPs on issues that we care about – and we’d like to hear what you think too. What you’ll read are the individual opinions of MPs. We won’t always agree with each other and sometimes our opinions may change”.

    This is their stated reason for the blogsite .. mmmm
    They are trying to promote this site and facebook to try and engage the young people x or y whatever. they noted the this young group have just past us Babyboomers in numbers for the 1st time.
    Trevor has posted here and received more thumbs up than down. I suspect others do use pseudonyms which is a pity.
    ps .. their statement seems at odds with fact.

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  59. Pete George (21,796 comments) says:

    Sounds like the intention is for it to be a showcase for Labour MP “voices”, with a few selected public comments that fit the image. If it helps Labour be a bit more public and connect a bit more it may help, but I think it is a limited approach.

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  60. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    ” you try and shout down opinions, ”

    You cannot stop lying can you??

    This is a medium where communication is entirely voluntary and occurs by means of reading and writing. You can choose to read a comment, or you can choose not to read it. There is no shouting ever. The claim is just contemptible deceit, part of a larger strategy designed to marginalize those who confront the Progressive orthodoxy of political correctness.

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