General Debate 8 September 2010

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TimG_Oz

ok, it’s that time of year again…..
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September 8, 2010 8:04am
dad4justice

The After Shock party still continues in the rocking ChCh.
Oh well, it has fixed the boy racer problem.
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September 8, 2010 8:07am
Inventory2

4.1 at a depth of just 5km according to Geonet. Further damage is pretty much inevitable.
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September 8, 2010 8:10am
Don the Kiwi

I’d rather be a hammer than a nail.
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September 8, 2010 8:20am
Inventory2

Update to my 8.10am – that was the one before!

# Reference Number: 3368445
# NZST: Wed, Sep 8 2010 7:49 am
# Magnitude: 5.1
# Depth: 6 km
# Details: 10 km north-west of Diamond Harbour
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September 8, 2010 8:22am
Brian Smaller

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4105599/Minister-made-Muslim-jokes-before-his-racism-remarks

Queue Muslim and Dhimmi-lefty outrage in 3..2..1..

Never mind all the Jesus, Catholic and Pope jokes. Muslims are so precious that they think the sunni shines out their behinds and that their shiite doesn’t stink.
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September 8, 2010 8:40am
James Stephenson

Gobsmacked by this one: http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/the-state-will-decide-how-much-money-you-get/

The UK Government planning to take all your money and hand back what it thinks you’re allowed to keep…looks like they elected a Labour government wearing blue ties as well.
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September 8, 2010 8:43am
krazykiwi

@James – I was just about to comment on that story. Astounding, alarming stuff.
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September 8, 2010 8:55am
krazykiwi

The UK have their very own Chthoniid: Jimmy Hoffman photographs unusual insects – Praying Mantises
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September 8, 2010 9:04am
hj

I may be the dumb one here but Green Party co-leader Meteria Turie, seems to be arguing for customary ownership of the foreshore and seabed based on common law as being territory occupied by indigenous tribes at the time the treaty of Waitangi was signed. On RNZ I heard her say she didn’t think a lot of foreshore would be involved.

““This created a fundamental injustice. The new Marine and Coastal Area Bill does nothing to address this injustice.

“There is no substantive difference between the ‘common marine area’ and the ‘public domain’.

“Instead of letting Maori have claims to customary title determined by common law, this bill spells out what those rights entail. These are substantially weaker than the private title rights enjoyed by non-Maori owners.

“Under this bill, Maori will only get what the Government has decided they can get, irrespective of the strength of their claim under common law.

“Yet 12,500 private titles over areas of the foreshore and seabed are unaffected. This is unfair and creates a double standard which treats Maori customary title as inferior.”

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1009/S00091/foreshore-bill-repeats-original-injustice.htm

according to their Foreshore and Seabed FAQ:

What are common law customary rights?

These are rights, interests, practices and activities exercised by Maori prior to the acquisition of sovereignty by the Crown (although there is a strong argument that that sovereignty was never ceded only kawanatanga). The basis of common law aboriginal title is the legal recognition of the continuity of aboriginal property rights upon the Crown’s acquisition of sovereignty. Native title is neither an institution of the common law but is recognised by the common law. Therefore they exist prior to the Treaty (but are guaranteed by it).
http://www.greens.org.nz/factsheets/foreshore-and-seabed-faqs
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September 8, 2010 9:15am
Swiftman the infidel

I’ve got mixed feelings on the Christchurch earthquake.

The last time I was in Christchurch SO MANY locals were SO rude to me that I resorted to pretending to be from Wellington, rather than Auckland.

Don’t forget fellow Aucklanders that we are ‘JUST ANOTHER FUCKING AUCKLANDER’ (JAFA). Tell me, what is Auckland’s obscene and derogatory term for South Islanders?

There ain’t one!

One Christchurch resident explained to me why they hate us. All the assets of the South Island flow up to the north. All the bad things in Christchurch come from the north.

Hey folks, wise up. A lot of people believed that Hitler didn’t REALLY hate non-Aryans. it was only after the war that his hideous crimes were revealed to the world.

Face it, there are huge numbers of Christchurch folk who really hate us.

GOD is now punishing them for their wickedness.

I stopped caring about Christchurch and it’s people years ago. I loathe the place.

And THEY started it.

Earthquake? Diddums.
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September 8, 2010 9:23am
gazzmaniac

hj – further to what you’re on about –
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4105582/Maori-Party-may-have-another-go-at-seabed-bill

Looks like the Maori party will renege on their seabed deal if they get a better position in parliament in the future. Could be one of three scenarios:
a) they are genuinely unhappy with the deal they made with National, in which case they should say so now, and break their coalition agreement
b) they don’t want to end the gravy train
c) you can’t trust them to make an agreement and stick to it if they think they might get a better deal later on

or the fourth, a combination of all three.

What NZ wants and needs is an end to all the native land claims so it can move on. What it certainly does not need is one party not acting in good faith, for whatever reason.
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September 8, 2010 9:25am
krazykiwi

Swiftman the infidel, you are scum.
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September 8, 2010 9:29am
MT_Tinman

# krazykiwi (6,353) Says:
September 8th, 2010 at 9:29 am

Swiftman the infidel, you are scum.

Sick scum at that.
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September 8, 2010 9:34am
hj

It annoys me that the Greens seem to get away with advocating justice and only a little bit when in fact their position is as draconian as the Maori Party (assuming she is saying what I think she’s saying… and no one on Froblog is saying).
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September 8, 2010 9:35am
Viking2

todays date

8.9.10
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September 8, 2010 9:36am
wikiriwhis business

Gazz,

I’m sure the Maori party are in every danger of shooting themselves in the foot.

If they prove actually totally unreliable, the govt can pass a motion of no confidence and ditch them as coalition partners.

I don’t know about his colleagues but Pita Sharples is capable of seeing the shotgun pointing at his foot and re adjust his stance.

MMP rocks, don’t let the govt take it away!
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September 8, 2010 9:43am
Inventory2

@ Brian Smaller – just blogged about the Williamson “furore”. He was addressing a crowd of lubricated builders FFS – doubtless a union shop steward heard the soeech, and breathlessly reported it to an EPMU card-carrying journalist colleague.

In the overall scheme of things facing the building industry and the Minister at the moment, I doubt that it will be high on his worry list today, or that of the PM’s, and rightly so. It’s a beat-up.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/09/are-we-losing-our-sense-of-humour.html
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September 8, 2010 9:54am
Murray

Whatb a fucked up POS Jafa swiftman is.

Move for removal.
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September 8, 2010 10:00am
Inventory2

E-mails to DPF here should splve the Swiftman situation – kiwiblogabuse@gmail.com
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September 8, 2010 10:05am
Murray

Make it so.
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September 8, 2010 10:11am
Swiftman the infidel

If Auckland, rather than Christchurch, were wiped out the Cantabrians would be dancing in the streets.

‘E-mails to DPF here should splve the Swiftman situation – kiwiblogabuse@gmail.com‘

Good to know that freedom of speech is alive and well at Kiwiblog!

My comments are based upon real live bad experiences. Didn’t Investigate Magazine once run an article on the JAFA phenomenon?

Would you ban Ian Wishart from this blog too?
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September 8, 2010 10:16am
Murray

Get help, seriously you are one fucked up individual.

If all jafa’s talked like you we’d all have reason to dance in the streets.

Take you waa waa poor little jafa nappy wetting somewhere else idiot. We’re more concerned with Christchurch than you’re massive fucking ego this week.
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September 8, 2010 10:22am
wikiriwhis business

@Swiftman

Ian Wishart is not making ignoble callous diatribe during a very worrying and distabilising time for many thousands of people concerned about their lives and immediate future.

If you continue in this vein I’m sure there will be a case for the authorities to pursue.
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September 8, 2010 10:23am
Swiftman the infidel

Quick, call the Thought Police!
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September 8, 2010 10:27am
Murray

Quick call the thought ambulance, if you had a thought it would be on fucking life support.
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September 8, 2010 10:29am
gazzmaniac

Ignore him and he’ll go away.
So yeah, nah, yeah, what about the weather?
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September 8, 2010 10:35am
Murray

sunny and warm here gazz, rivers going down too so the guy who left his bike in the lower park will be able to retrieve it today.

Just the tips of the handle bars showing yesterday morning.
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September 8, 2010 10:38am
MikeNZ

Would that they all were as competant 🙂
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/37416/anti-israel-hackers-target-uk-mistake

Fail!
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September 8, 2010 11:59am
nickb

Best video ever:

http://www.3news.co.nz/Taggers-held-captive-forced-to-dance/tabid/315/articleID/174824/Default.aspx
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September 8, 2010 12:37pm
Pete George

Seems like the US public are over Bush and his mess, but back the GOP to fix it.

Over Bush but for the GOP

Washington Post/ABC News poll:
60 percent blame Bush policies for the current state of the economy (% remained relatively stable )
42 percent blame Obama.

At the same time the poll also finds, for the first time, that more registered voters trust Republicans on the economy than trust Dems, 43-39.

NBC/WSJ poll: Do you think if Republicans win control of Congress in November they will return to the economic policies of George W. Bush or do you think they will have different ideas for how to deal with the economy?
Policies of George W. Bush 35
Different ideas 58

This makes the GOP outlook for the mid-terms all the brighter.
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September 8, 2010 12:50pm
Banana Llama

Swiftman.

You should have told them that all the resources flowing to Auckland get stopped at Wellington never to re-appear.
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September 8, 2010 1:03pm
JiveKitty

“The crimewave that shames the world”: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/the-crimewave-that-shames-the-world-2072201.html
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September 8, 2010 1:05pm
side show bob

Were is Paul Williams, he thinks I’m thick as shit, mine you he may have a point. Anyhow he was busy last night being a big blow hard for the Aussie Labor party. Recons they will be glorious leaders, I think they are first class dropkicks. It seems they are now having the first tiff with one of the independents, how delicious. It seems Labor want a tax summit but the mining industry and it’s taxes are not on the agenda, shit you have to love these socialist gits. Your turn Paul.
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September 8, 2010 1:17pm
DJP6-25

side show bob 1:17 PM Oh, are they squabbling already? Good news. Let’s hope there’s plenty more where that came from.

cheers

David Prosser
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September 8, 2010 2:42pm
Jack5

New topic for a mo…

The well-funded Natural Dairy PR squad under Ralston continues to be busy in Auckland. Leftie NZ Herald columnist Rudman has come out backing Maurice Williamson after Williamson’s inept, stupid playing of the race card in the bid by China’s Natural Dairy to buy the Crafar farms.

Rudman, too, supports Williamson’s claim that opposition to the bid is racist. He ignores reports in his own newspaper about the integrity of the principals on Natural Dairy (I repost the links below).

Rudman ignores the fact that foreigners are not allowed to buy land in China. (A feedback post on the Herald web site points out that Natural Dairy is Hong Kong based and we can buy land there — at the moment. However, the big shots in Natural Dairy are mainland Chinese, and clearly in or closely connected with the Communist Party hierarchy or they would not be big shots.)

Rudman also ignores big donations to our political parties by Auckland Chinese, at least one of whom seems to have some link with Natural Dairy.

The Herald, Irish owned (until the Paddies can find a buyer), has become distinctly pro-Red China. It would be poetic justice if a branch of the Commmunist Party of Red China bought it.

Did the Herald, and specifically Rudman, oppose the blocking of the sale of a chunk of Auckland Airport to a Canadian pension fund than undertook to be a passive investor? I doubt it. Would that have been racist, in light of the fact that the Labour Government, while blocking the Canadians allowed Chinese interests to buy Wellington’s power lines network?

The Canadians should have hired an ex-TV PR specialist then they might have got somewhere.

I find it offensive for Williamson and Rudman to brand as racists NZers opposed to sale of agricultural land to China. They are doing so in the defence of Chinese guilty of barbaric and heavy racist suppression of ethnic Tibetans, of Uighurs, and probably of ethnic Mongolians in Inner Mongolia.

If Natural Dairy does get the Crafar farms, there will undoubtedly be a full-on, growing campaign against China-based investment in our agricultural industry, and this campaign will be waged up to and through the next election. By then Ralston will have to dream up for his Red Chinese clients a different stratagem from shouting loudly racism on behalf of those grinding Tibetans under their Han Chinese heels.

Relevant links:

1. Christchurch Press blasts Williamson over his racism accusation

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/editorials/4102225/Editorial-Not-racist

2. China link to National:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10667439

3. Link: Scandals hit Crafar bidders:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10665100

4: Rudman’s rant:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10671817
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September 8, 2010 2:47pm
Fletch

Website HERE shows the most family-friendly Super City mayoral candidate to be Andrew Williams, based on questionnaires sent to 6 polling candidates.
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September 8, 2010 5:21pm
jaba

wow … who else saw Justin Vaughn from NC Cricket squirming on TV1’s sport tonight about the snubbing of Sir Richard Hadlee .. the Adam’s apple was going up and down like an elevator
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September 8, 2010 6:47pm
krazykiwi

James J. Lee committed ‘suicide by police’ last week as he took hostages at Discovery Channel, yet his seemingly radical views appear to echo those of the debut edition of The Ecologist magazine.

Read about it here: All Humans are Parasites.
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September 8, 2010 6:58pm
Fletch

Just saw Sainsbury on Close Up asking Tony Blair the usual leftist MSM questions about whether he considers what he did war crimes etc….ugh. Blair handled himself very well, I thought.
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September 8, 2010 7:25pm
Pete George

Blair has had plenty of practice at avoiding accepting any responsibility. It’s not as if he is going to open up and admit to major cock-ups on NZ TV.
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September 8, 2010 7:30pm
Fletch

Well, I think Blair was saying he did accept responsibility, and did what had to be done (and rightly so).
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September 8, 2010 7:32pm
Viking2

This may answer the questions about Natural Diary.
Seems that Ralston isn’t up with the play.

Natural Dairy shelves $1.5b expansion plan
By Karyn Scherer
5:30 AM Wednesday Sep 8, 2010

The Hong Kong company hoping to buy 16 Crafar farms has shelved its ambitious plans to spend up to $1.5 billion setting up a dairy business in New Zealand – for now.

Natural Dairy has announced that it has terminated its agreement with May Wang and her backers to expand its business in New Zealand, after a dispute with the Hong Kong Stock Exchange (HKSE).

The company voluntarily suspended trading in its shares in February, pending further details about a potentially substantial acquisition.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10671807
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September 8, 2010 7:48pm
Viking2

Blair was clear about what the problem is. Perhaps you lot should listen and then go an try living among the Lamists and terrorists.
Oh yea, don’t forget to take your wife and daughters with you along with their garb.
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September 8, 2010 7:50pm
Hurf Durf

James J. Lee committed ‘suicide by police’ last week as he took hostages at Discovery Channel, yet his seemingly radical views appear to echo those of the debut edition of The Ecologist magazine.

KK, don’t bother, he wasn’t one of dem teabagorz, the MFM isn’t interested. Now if he said he was inspired by Sarah Palin, on the other hand…
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September 8, 2010 8:44pm
Luc Hansen

MFM?

Very racy for Kiwibloggers…
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September 8, 2010 9:38pm
Luc Hansen

And good onethank you, Swiftman the Infidel!

Funny how the same people who rolled over laughing at Maurice’s Muslim joke suddenly lost their sense of humour!
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September 8, 2010 9:45pm
Clint Heine

I see the Nats have voted to ignore the 87% of Kiwis in the last referendum. Surely in light of their recent decision to control the supply of alcohol, vote against school choice and dither on shop trading hours.. we should immediately fold the National Party into Labour and be done with it.
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September 9, 2010 2:54am
MikeNZ

We can do that in our heads by not voting for them Clint.

I’m surprised you didn’t include the ETS and Foreshore and Seabed constitutional changes in your list as they are more important than shop trading hours?
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September 9, 2010 8:20am
MikeNZ

To the list, what about Maurices comments were not true and factual?
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September 9, 2010 8:21am
Clint Heine

MikeNZ, mate… I completely forgot those acts of treachery. I agree. The ETS backdown was diabolical but I wasn’t surprised about the foreshore business.
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September 10, 2010 9:05am
MikeNZ

I won’t next election.
I just wish that people would give their party vote to ACT so national can be hand held, as we need it.
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September 10, 2010 9:19am

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